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:::I think using a one-word template would be a lot easier than copying and pasting the text every time, especially considering the wording is a little too long to expect people to memorize. I've removed the image and added a couple of parameters to automatically adjust for the number of commentaries and add the page to the appropriate categories. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC) | :::I think using a one-word template would be a lot easier than copying and pasting the text every time, especially considering the wording is a little too long to expect people to memorize. I've removed the image and added a couple of parameters to automatically adjust for the number of commentaries and add the page to the appropriate categories. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
::::after the changes, the workaround for the multiple commentary problem and the auto-category add, i think that it may actually be useful. Unnecessary for something so short, but then again, it would make for easier standardizing the text, especially if we make a minor change to the text, we'd only have to make it here. I could go either way. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC) | ::::after the changes, the workaround for the multiple commentary problem and the auto-category add, i think that it may actually be useful. Unnecessary for something so short, but then again, it would make for easier standardizing the text, especially if we make a minor change to the text, we'd only have to make it here. I could go either way. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC) | ||
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Revision as of 01:46, 27 June 2008
Needed?
This is an interesting idea, but it's poorly laid out, and I'm not sure it's really all that helpful, especially considering the wording sometimes needs to be tweaked. (Some DVD toons have *two* commentaries, after all...) That said, I'm mostly neutral on this, because it *could* be helpful if set up right, so I marked it TBD to see what others think. -YK
06:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think we have done fine without this template so far. However, should the community wish to use this, then we need a different image, as different people can do the commentaries, not just TBC. Loafing
06:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree that it is unneeded, for the reasons already stated, however this edit summary (YK "TBD. Most new templates, especially ones replacing long-standing parts of the site, and not created by a sysadmin, should inherently be discussed, IMO.") is an inappropriate attitude. After a while, patterns tend to emerge and it makes sense for identical parts of the site (which this isn't) to be turned into a template. Furthermore, in matters of general wiki functioning, which this is, the rank of "sysop" does not apply, as the community has equal say in these sort of things. — Defender1031*Talk 15:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- True to your name, I understand why you'd defend him... however, I probably shouldn't have said "sysop", but rather "'long-standing member with a good reputation', not 'someone with a history of vandalism'". Seriously, a major change like this should be discussed no matter *what*, but never mind. Besides, as the "IMO" should've suggested, it's just my opinion. -YK
18:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- If it's that bad as you say it is, DeFender, why don't you edit it and make it better? I think it would get boring typing that same line. Maybe I could make a new template that's like, "This toon features TWO commentary videos." Or change the image. Personally, I think it should just stay. Fix it if you must. I made this template
- Look, i didn't say it was BAD, merely UNNEEDED. It's possible to make it templated to take a parameter for how many there are, default being one, but i don't really see the need. Also the image is bulky and intrusive. To YK again: I am not defending HIM per se, but the philosophy of the wiki in general. Yeah, major changes should usually be discussed, no matter who makes them, but your distinction of "long-standing member with a good reputation" vs. "someone with a history of vandalism" is STILL invalid. Okay, so the guy has been disruptive in the past, doesn't mean we should judge his good-faith edits more harshly because of it. Edits are judged based on their own merits and not on the history of he who makes them. Everyone has something to contribute, and if they do so, that's great, and they should be applauded for it, not demeaned. Finally, if your opinion goes against wiki policy, it might be wise to just keep it to yourself and use a more neutral edit summary instead. That's all. — Defender1031*Talk 03:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- You know, as much as I respect what you're trying to *do* here, it's that sort of attitude that tends to *cause* more problems than it *solves*. You often come on *much* too strongly when you feel someone has "wronged" someone else. What, exactly, gives you the authority to say my opinions are "invalid"? What makes your opinions so inherently superior to *mine*? That I tend to have a lack of trust those who've proven themselves to be troublemakers in the past, and that I put more stock into established users with good track records is not a "character flaw" or what have you.
Honestly, I've really don't need any pathetic internet melodrama here. I got enough of it on all the message boards I frequented over the years. Do what you will with this template. I've washed my hands of this issue and others, and if it so pleases you, I won't do anything more than gnome work in the future. Mustn't stir up the slightest hint of controversy, YK. Gah, I really should just *not say anything*. All I ever seem to do is get people angry at me for being outspoken.-YK 04:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- DeFender, all i want is for you to do all you must to improve it. I cried when i saw that it was being deletes-quested. (see pop up. I spent three hours on it! Just change the image, reword it, i don't care! do all you'd like to do to it. i won't mind. I seriously made this template
- i'm confused. were you just standing up for me, or against me YK? MichaelXX2
- somebody, do something of this!! I'LL DELETE IT MYSELF IF IT COMES TO IT!! FINE! I THOUGHT A LITTLE TEMPLATE WITH A CUTE LITTLE IMAGE WOULD BE FINE BUT NOOOOOO! ALL I GET ID A {tbd} TAG! IT'S GONE! HISTORY! The guy that typed in all caps... almost.
- im sick of all this. delete it, it was a stupid idear, i 'm an idiot. im ashamed of this piece of crap i made. fine. see above
- somebody, do something of this!! I'LL DELETE IT MYSELF IF IT COMES TO IT!! FINE! I THOUGHT A LITTLE TEMPLATE WITH A CUTE LITTLE IMAGE WOULD BE FINE BUT NOOOOOO! ALL I GET ID A {tbd} TAG! IT'S GONE! HISTORY! The guy that typed in all caps... almost.
- i'm confused. were you just standing up for me, or against me YK? MichaelXX2
- DeFender, all i want is for you to do all you must to improve it. I cried when i saw that it was being deletes-quested. (see pop up. I spent three hours on it! Just change the image, reword it, i don't care! do all you'd like to do to it. i won't mind. I seriously made this template
- You know, as much as I respect what you're trying to *do* here, it's that sort of attitude that tends to *cause* more problems than it *solves*. You often come on *much* too strongly when you feel someone has "wronged" someone else. What, exactly, gives you the authority to say my opinions are "invalid"? What makes your opinions so inherently superior to *mine*? That I tend to have a lack of trust those who've proven themselves to be troublemakers in the past, and that I put more stock into established users with good track records is not a "character flaw" or what have you.
- Look, i didn't say it was BAD, merely UNNEEDED. It's possible to make it templated to take a parameter for how many there are, default being one, but i don't really see the need. Also the image is bulky and intrusive. To YK again: I am not defending HIM per se, but the philosophy of the wiki in general. Yeah, major changes should usually be discussed, no matter who makes them, but your distinction of "long-standing member with a good reputation" vs. "someone with a history of vandalism" is STILL invalid. Okay, so the guy has been disruptive in the past, doesn't mean we should judge his good-faith edits more harshly because of it. Edits are judged based on their own merits and not on the history of he who makes them. Everyone has something to contribute, and if they do so, that's great, and they should be applauded for it, not demeaned. Finally, if your opinion goes against wiki policy, it might be wise to just keep it to yourself and use a more neutral edit summary instead. That's all. — Defender1031*Talk 03:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- If it's that bad as you say it is, DeFender, why don't you edit it and make it better? I think it would get boring typing that same line. Maybe I could make a new template that's like, "This toon features TWO commentary videos." Or change the image. Personally, I think it should just stay. Fix it if you must. I made this template
- True to your name, I understand why you'd defend him... however, I probably shouldn't have said "sysop", but rather "'long-standing member with a good reputation', not 'someone with a history of vandalism'". Seriously, a major change like this should be discussed no matter *what*, but never mind. Besides, as the "IMO" should've suggested, it's just my opinion. -YK
- I agree that it is unneeded, for the reasons already stated, however this edit summary (YK "TBD. Most new templates, especially ones replacing long-standing parts of the site, and not created by a sysadmin, should inherently be discussed, IMO.") is an inappropriate attitude. After a while, patterns tend to emerge and it makes sense for identical parts of the site (which this isn't) to be turned into a template. Furthermore, in matters of general wiki functioning, which this is, the rank of "sysop" does not apply, as the community has equal say in these sort of things. — Defender1031*Talk 15:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I think the template is a fine addition, if people remember to use it. It might help make sure that the wording stays consistent. I don't think it needs an image, though. 
Trey56 19:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- If it's just words, I don't think a template's needed for something simple as that. It'd be far easier to just copy-paste from a page what already has the DVD commentary text on it, and that'd keep it consistent. A template just of words is next to useless. --DorianGray 19:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- But you can add to include the director commentary category. — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 20:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I think using a one-word template would be a lot easier than copying and pasting the text every time, especially considering the wording is a little too long to expect people to memorize. I've removed the image and added a couple of parameters to automatically adjust for the number of commentaries and add the page to the appropriate categories. — It's dot com 05:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- after the changes, the workaround for the multiple commentary problem and the auto-category add, i think that it may actually be useful. Unnecessary for something so short, but then again, it would make for easier standardizing the text, especially if we make a minor change to the text, we'd only have to make it here. I could go either way. — Defender1031*Talk 05:24, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think using a one-word template would be a lot easier than copying and pasting the text every time, especially considering the wording is a little too long to expect people to memorize. I've removed the image and added a couple of parameters to automatically adjust for the number of commentaries and add the page to the appropriate categories. — It's dot com 05:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- But you can add to include the director commentary category. — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 20:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Deletion
Well, If no one responds with my post in a week, I'm taking the {{tbd}}<nowiki> template down. It seems there hasn't been much discussion awound here. ~~~~
