Editing Talk:H*R.com updates 2006

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Anybody ele find it odd that the last update was posted yesterday the '''8'''<sup>th</sup>, yet the main page message says the 9<sup>th</sup>? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 22:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
:Although...I wasn't able to see the "Nothing else!" message until today. I'll have to check and see if Denny's Menu still has the new rap butony goes up to [[portrait]]. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 22:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::I remember the site being updated shortly after midnight (Eastern, of course) last night and that's when the What's New on the main page was updated. &mdash;{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 22:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The [[highschool]] article [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=highschool&oldid=233319 was created] at 23:02 Eastern on 8 January 2006.  At that time, the main page message also reported the date as the ninth.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Good {{User:The thing/sig}} @ 20:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

==Idea==

:Just got the idea looking at the updates page that it ought to be color coded.

:you know 1 color for sbemails and another for podcasts another for the store and so on so people who look at tis page to see if theres a new sbemail can see it quickly

:I'm not the most veteran wiki-er so I don't know the best way to implement this.

[[User:Olleicua|Olleicua]] 17:59, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

:Something along these lines has been tested <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=307448 here]</span>. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

::Looks fancy. I like it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:::I like it, too. Should we implemet it? --[[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 20:47, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::It could do with a key somewhere, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Aren't the descriptions listed there to the right? I'm wondering if the colors aren't too subtle to be useful. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:thus discussion took place a while ago and nothing happened so I implemented it wiht a universal lablel template.  I did throught the beginning of september.  I don't have time to do all of the archives but I wanted to get the ball rolling and let people see what it looks like.  Feedback?
[[User:Olleicua|Olleicua]] 16:42, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, since this is being brought up again - I think this could be useful, but I think it would be better to put it solely on {{tl|whatsnew}} &ndash; in the list here it would look out of place, but on the front page it might look better... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I hadnt thought of that, you're right. The only catch that comes to mind is a key for the front page.  It might look crowded.  Ideas?
[[User:Olleicua|Olleicua]] 16:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:As a proof-of-concept, I made {{tl|update sbemail}} which looks like:
{{update sbemail|159b|retirement B}}
:Making a template like this for each type of update (along with a generic one) would help keep {{tl|whatsnew}} standardised... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

:I don't think a key would be necessary... given long enough you'd be able to figure it out for yourself, and if you don't know what the colours mean, the title of the feature is there right next to it... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

== Personal Information ==

Is it appropriate to list personal information on these specific pages - the Chapman/Palmer wedding, Don's passing? These are noted on the individual bio pages, and they are not site updates. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:We list interviews and public appearances, even though these aren't site updates. We should also list important events in the lives of the Chaps. Certainly the content of the site itself is colored by these events (indeed, only time will tell how Mr. Chapman's passing will affect things), and it's relevant to note where such events occur in the context of the toons. I don't think we should note yearly things (like birthdays, anniversaries, etc., unless they are important somehow), but one-time milestones deserve a place. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

==Suggestion==

Perhaps when you update the quote you could make it a link to the source of that quote. Because whenever I see the quote I can never remember where it's from, and even with this site it takes a while to find out. 

:If you click on [[Quote Of The Week]] on this page or the home page, it takes you to a page which provides exactly that information. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, I know, but that's two clicks. If the quote itself actually linked to its source, that would be one click: that's half as many clicks! Hence, productivity would be doubled.

:::This is true - though "productivity" as an importance for a "stupid animal cartoon" seems a bit much. :) Seriously, we must weigh the consequence of an extra click over the consequence of clutter on the main page. As there's a lot of info and links on the main page, in my opinion it'd be convenient to some, but a cluttersome nuisance to others, to include an additional link in that line, and as the info is close at hand (one click from the Main Page) it's better put on its own page. Ref. the 09 Feb 2006 quote for an example of where it would be cumbersome to include this on the main page; and there are a few which we're not entirely positive of the source. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Some are exclusives, too, so they have no source. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Besides, if you're talking about making the words of the quote into a link to the source, you'd still have to click the link to arrive at the toon and thus realize it's source. Clicking on "Quote of the Week" would also just be one click, and the result would be the same. Being told the source of the Quote of the Week. In conclusion, productivity probably wouldn't be affected much, and I think it'd be more confusing. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

== TMBG show ==

Shouldn't there be a notification (or an article) about the 5/3/06 show with TMBG?

:We're [[Talk:They Might Be Giants#TMBG and SB at recent show|working on it]].&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

::[[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006|Done]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

== Lack of updates question and answer ==
I had posted a question here, and it was deleted without an answer... I dont think its an unreasonable question, and this seems like the best place to ask it. I'm not trying to complain, or demand anything, I'm just curious if there's any thing going on in the world of H*R that explains why there hasnt been any new content in over a month. I'm really not trying to complain, I just want to know if there's some reason I'm unaware of. Summer vacation, speaking engagments, voodoo curse, doesnt matter. I'm just curious. -- Sean St.
:The bottom line is, we don't know what is going on. There is a thread on the forums in which people are ''calmly'' discussing all the possibilities. [[Forum:8813|Here's the link]]. Thanks for inquiring so rationally, and sorry you didn't get your answer the first time. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks. I know that no one wants to see people saying "What?! Where's my entertainment! They owe me!," and that kind of crap. Its a difficult subject to approach, expecialy since we all respect the [[Brothers Chaps]], and dont want to complain about this amazing stuff they do for us.  -- Sean St.

== Updates ==

Hey, I just updated the updates for June 29, '06.  Not sure I did everything correctly so please fix anything I buggered up.
~Nathan (128.239.212.9)

== RSS Feed ==
There use to be a RSS feed for this page (http://theblackforge.net/hrwiki.xml) - Anyone know what happened to that? It's a ton easier to get see updates in the aggregator instead of logging on all the time. Thanks - Andy

:That feed is provided and hosted by Dan Fabulich of [http://www.theblackforge.net/ theblackforge.net].  More information can be found in [http://www.livejournal.com/community/syn_promo/2005/06/23/ this livejournal post], [http://www.livejournal.com/users/hrwikiupdates/ the livejournal feed page], and [http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=hrwikiupdates the livejournal feed info page].  From what I can tell, it hasn't been working since the May 22nd update.  If you want to contact Dan about it, his contact info can be found on [http://darkforge.livejournal.com/profile his LJ profile].  If you do, let us know how that goes.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC). 

Speaking of LJ feeds, on Aug. 25 new fanstuff and sketchbook items appeared on the syndicated   ([http://syndicated.livejournal.com/homestar_rss/ homestar_rss]) LJ feed which are listed here as not appearing until the 31st. ...--[[User:Crumbelievable|Crumbelievable]] 22:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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-==Date in question==
 Anybody ele find it odd that the last update was posted yesterday the '''8'''<sup>th</sup>, yet the main page message says the 9<sup>th</sup>? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 22:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
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 [[User:Olleicua|Olleicua]] 16:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
-:As a proof-of-concept, I made <code><nowiki>{{update sbemail}}</nowiki></code><!--
+:As a proof-of-concept, I made {{tl|update sbemail}} which looks like:
+{{update sbemail|159b|retirement B}}
-{{label|green|2=[[Strong Bad Email]] #{{{1}}}: [[{{{2|{{sbemail|{{{1}}}}}}}}]] {{watch|sbemail{{{1}}}.html}}}}
---> which looks like:
-{{label|green|2=[[Strong Bad Email]] #159: [[{{sbemail|159}}]] {{watch|sbemail159.html}}}}
 :Making a template like this for each type of update (along with a generic one) would help keep {{tl|whatsnew}} standardised... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
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 Perhaps when you update the quote you could make it a link to the source of that quote. Because whenever I see the quote I can never remember where it's from, and even with this site it takes a while to find out.
-:If you click on [[Quote of the Week]] on this page or the home page, it takes you to a page which provides exactly that information. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
+:If you click on [[Quote Of The Week]] on this page or the home page, it takes you to a page which provides exactly that information. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 ::Yeah, I know, but that's two clicks. If the quote itself actually linked to its source, that would be one click: that's half as many clicks! Hence, productivity would be doubled.
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 Speaking of LJ feeds, on Aug. 25 new fanstuff and sketchbook items appeared on the syndicated   ([http://syndicated.livejournal.com/homestar_rss/ homestar_rss]) LJ feed which are listed here as not appearing until the 31st. ...--[[User:Crumbelievable|Crumbelievable]] 22:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
-== Dating discrepancy ==
-I've noticed an inconsistency in how we date updates that are released on one day, but the h*r.com main page displays another. Once Qermaq changed [[coloring]] to Sunday ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=H%2AR.com_updates_2006&diff=376904&oldid=376895]), I could have sworn that there was precedent against that. What I found, as far as I know, is:
-*Mon/Tue, Oct/Nov 31/1: Update released at about 1:30 AM EST; main page says ??????. We log real time.
-*Sun/Mon, January 8/9: Update released at about 11:00 PM EST Sunday; main page says Monday. We log real time.
-*Mon/Tue, July 24/25: Update released at about 1:00 AM EDT Tuesday; main page says Monday. We log main page.
-*Sun/Mon, October 22/23: Update released at about 11:00 PM EDT Sunday; main page says Monday. We log ???.
-Again, I could have sworn there was more precedent to log what the main page with an invisi-comment noting it. Maybe there is additional incongruity beyond what I can find noted in the Updates 2006 code; it would involve looking through multiple articles' histories.
-Additional & current discepancies notwithstanding, what should we do about updates like these in the future?
-&mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
-:I think we should use actual time here. If the update time is different, that's notable as Trivia. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
-::At this point, I think I'll go with that. I'll round out the documentation if nothing further arises. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
-== Future Release Dates ==
-When is the next '06 Holiday Toon coming out? [[User:The Valentine Bros.|The Valentine Bros.]]
-:If we knew, we'd be all over it like The Poopsmith to an overflowing toilet. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)