Editing Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf

==Picture==
Someone get a picture of him.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 17:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Err? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 18:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you whover did that. I really appreciate it.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 19:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
How do we know that his name is Brundo? For all we know, it could be something else entirely.
:Well, [[Happy Dethemberween]]'s page title is "Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Nominate for deletion? ==

Brundo has a Wiki article, but the Elf and the Sheriff don't. I believe we should either create the latter two articles, or delete the former one. The characters seem equally prominent/minor to me, so for only one to have an article seems terribly inconsistent. *shrug* Just throwing my two cents in. Maybe the more knowledgeable Wiki-ers should discuss this. [[User:Mathgrant|Mathgrant]] 02:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
: There IS the argument that Brundo could be viewed as the name of the show, and include info on the other characters here. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Please Don't Delete. If you are going to delete this because of the character getting about 5 seconds of screen time, think about [[The S is for Sucks]], [[Trogador]], and [[Carrot and Kazoo Hill]]. Trogador doesn't play that big of a role and Carrot and Kazoo Hill had about equal screen time. Brundo might appear again like The S is for Sucks did on the [[King of Town Main Page]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 02:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say it would be good idea to cover all the characters from the show together. They're probably important enough to be covered somewhere, but needn't necessarily have their own article. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree with Heimi. The show should be listed on [[TV Shows]], and if we want to create an article for the show, then the characters can be covered in that one, too. The article should be called [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Making an article about the whole special, including bios about all the characters, sounds great. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I agree.  Don't you think I agree?  {{User:TheGirl/sig}} 04:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was thinking that myself. Support making it about the whole dang special. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Me too! Let's do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::A good idea, just let's be sure to make [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak]] a redirect.  This project is too ambitious for me under current circumstances, so.. this is a job for.. someone else!  I nominate: the first person to read this sentence!  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I would totally do that, but I don't know how.  Sorry to dissapoint, O.F.  But I digress, my main point is that Onestop has a very valid one.  I also aggree with Jay, and I think putting other characters into the article would put a big beefy arm on it.  {{User:AwkwardFire/sig}} 13:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I went ahead and moved the article, but I don't have time to expand it.  -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Go ahead and do whatever is best for the wiki.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Should be have this template instead?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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== Content ==

It seems to me that this page should have all of the info about it from [[Happy Dethemberween]]'s fun facts (and more).  Glad to see the addition of the similarity to Rankin/Bass Christmas specials, but there is still a lot more about it that would be worth having in the article (i.e. the Little Debbie [http://www.littledebbie.com/products/ChristmasCakes.asp Christmas Tree Cakes]).  I'm not sure of the best way to fit all of it into this article, so I'm just making the suggestion.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's just that most of that info has more to do with the toon than the special. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::Some things, like characters' reactions to the special, may or may not be of note on this type of article.  I see that Strong Sad's reaction has been weeded out, which makes sense to me.  So, yes, including noteworthy things relating to the special was my point, which I admit I didn't explain especially well.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sherrif ==

Should we add that he also did some narrorating in [[Happy Dethemberween]]?

'''Ex''': "Yes, he's the Dethemberween [[Thnikkaman]]. Flying through the night in an [[Baloney Sammich Truck|unmarked van]]. You never know what he'll bring us when you hear those high-pitched singers!" (I'm not talking about the [[TV show]].)  {{unsigned|Onestop|18:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I agree.  I started to type it into the article, but soon realized the words were escaping me.  I'm not the greatest article writer, but I do agree that the Sheriff narrating part of the <s>Decemberween</s> Dethemberween Thnikkaman story is notable.  {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Crooner Deathmatch ==

The article said The Sheriff's voice was based on Dean Martin's, which I corrected to Bing Crosby. While I was at it, I wanted to put in [http://croonerculture.com/dean-martin-and-bing-crosby-duet-medley-video/ this link] for posterity. Not only does it show how incredibly mistakable their voices are, right toward the end of the clip Bing actually takes a little sideways jab at his nonsense catchphrase being older than Dean-o's nonsense catchphrase. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:There's no way, short of a DVD commentary or other mention directly from the Brothers Chaps, to prove this.  I think this information should be left out until such a thing does exist, otherwise it's just a guess.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::I know this puts me at philosophical odds with some editors, but if you want only provable references mentioned, most pages on this wiki would lose a lot of content. Anything looks like coincidence if you squint hard enough. However, Bing Crosby has been parodied quite often, and the mark of a Bing Crosby parody has typically been a baritone voice saying or singing "buh-buh-buh". Even if TBC recreated this by accident (which is equally unprovable), they still got it close enough for us to mention it. Well, I guess that's what STUFF is for... --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It's not simply provable or not--we can't really ''prove'' a lot of references, but they're generally obvious enough that there's no question.  Given the Bros. Chaps penchant for nonsense and randomness, a little throwaway is not enough reason to call this a reference, especially since Bing Crosby had nothing to do with any of the Rankin Bass Christmas specials which are the obvious subject of parody here.  But, if STUFF it is, then so be it.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus? ==

This may also be a reference to Bass and Rankin's last Christmas special, 1985's [http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0089488/ The Life & Adventures of Santa Claus] (see also this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4zIi7S3ck YouTube clip].)

To quote [http://www.avclub.com/content/node/70591 an A.V. Club article]:

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Santa-themed TV specials don't get much more opportunistic or outré than the 1985 adaptation of L. Frank Baum's The Life And Adventures Of Santa Claus, which takes Baum's Euro-myth-ridden retelling of Santa's origin and ramps up the action for the Masters Of The Universe generation, as Claus battles troll-like creatures in order to prove his mettle to the council of Immortals who raised him from infancy. Dry, confusing, and decidedly un-Christmas-y, The Life And Adventures Of Santa Claus replaces all that "Peace On Earth" jazz with "Beware my laser-shooting magic axe, evildoers!" It's ready-made for teenage pot smokers looking for a version of Kris Kringle to airbrush onto the side of their bitchen vans.
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While I may be stretching here, the "Sword of St. Olaf" would seem to be a reference to that special.
--[[User:Steven Hunter|Steven Hunter]] 01:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:That particular possible reference has appeared and disappeared a few times now, both here and in the [[Happy Dethemberween]] article. I put it in originally, with slight trepidation, so I'm glad to see someone else made the same connection and provided some evidence. Sounds like this is STUFF-worthy, so I'll take care of that. However, it's looking like we need to nail down exactly which page (or both?) the information should go on if it survives the STUFF. Discuss? My personal feeling is that this and all other fine details (i.e., everything except the simple fact that the whole special is a Rankin/Bass parody) belong here where there's more room to play, <s>''but'' there needs to be</s> as long as there is a clear link to this page from that Real-World Reference on the Happy Decemberween page. That's where most people would look first for this kind of info. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

::But again, this is another situation where knowing that this is a direct reference requires some degree of telepathy short of a direct comment from one of the creators.  Similarities != references.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:::And that's why I end up on opposite side of the fence from a lot of editors. I say something does not need to be a solid direct reference to be notable. If you word it carefully and don't go overboard, the reader can be trusted to decide for themselves how interesting it is, how intentional it might be, and whether they want to research the topic further. There are even cases where something is ''confirmed'' (by commentary, etc.) to be a coincidence, and the fact is still interesting enough to live. See the Real-World Reference in [[alternate universe#Real-World References|alternate universe]] to writer John Byrne of She-Hulk. But as you know, the Life & Adventures fact is now in STUFF, so the discussion is academic. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== I Lost All My Magics ==

The Rankin-Bass character that comes immediately to mind when I hear that quote is the Winter Warlock from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town (one of my most favorites).  Was this intentional of them? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:The reason the quote reminds me of him is because after Santa warmed his heart with a new train, he spends the whole rest of the special fearing he lost his powers. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
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 :::And that's why I end up on opposite side of the fence from a lot of editors. I say something does not need to be a solid direct reference to be notable. If you word it carefully and don't go overboard, the reader can be trusted to decide for themselves how interesting it is, how intentional it might be, and whether they want to research the topic further. There are even cases where something is ''confirmed'' (by commentary, etc.) to be a coincidence, and the fact is still interesting enough to live. See the Real-World Reference in [[alternate universe#Real-World References|alternate universe]] to writer John Byrne of She-Hulk. But as you know, the Life & Adventures fact is now in STUFF, so the discussion is academic. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
-::::True.  Honestly, though, if that's the standard, then there ought to be a different name than "references" for that section.  If it's not an actual direct reference, something intended by the creators for that purpose, then that term doesn't really fit.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
-:::::I guess we'll just have to wait for possible DVD commentary...--[[User:Steven Hunter|Steven Hunter]] 01:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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 The Rankin-Bass character that comes immediately to mind when I hear that quote is the Winter Warlock from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town (one of my most favorites).  Was this intentional of them? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 :The reason the quote reminds me of him is because after Santa warmed his heart with a new train, he spends the whole rest of the special fearing he lost his powers. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
-::I've never seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_Is_Comin'_to_Town_(TV_special) Santa Claus is comin' to town], but it seems reasonable. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)