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== PNG Apple Screencaps ==

I just got a new MacBook, and I must know: how do I convert screencaps from JPEG to PNG without MS Paint? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:First you right-click.-[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.37|132.183.138.37]] 00:18, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::What program can I use to convert the picture? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::A screenshot (if that's what you mean) is usually taken in a PNG format (somehow I got my old PowerBook G4 to take TIFF screenshots, unfortunately I don't know how I did it), so I don't exactly get the "JPEG to PNG" part of it. But, here are your instructions:
:::1. Open up Preview (Found in /Applications/, or just access "Applications" in the Finder's sidebar.
:::2. File > Open and then choose your image. It may be a time saver to have the folder open with the image in it, so you can just drag it into the file selector. It may also be a good idea just to Preview into the Dock, so that you can just drag the file on the program's icon for it to open.
:::3. Go to File > Save As... and choose the file format you wish to save it in.
:::4. Ta Da!
:::It should be the Save As menu item that did it, but I don't remember. I haven't used my Mac in a long time due to a couple technical issues I'm not willing to fix yet. :P --[[Special:Contributions/75.5.176.233|75.5.176.233]] 00:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::What can I use to fill in the corners? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 02:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::You have a lot of different options.  Probably the best cheap option would be [http://seashore.sourceforge.net/ Seashore], a simpler implementation of GIMP (a free version of Photoshop).  {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 02:46, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::I have a Mac, and what I do is just on the desktop file, change the name of the file so instead of "picture.png" it's "picture.jpeg."  It's that easy!  (Although for obvious reasons it won't work when changing more complex files).  {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 02:48, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::That doesn't change the file format... it just changes the extension... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh.  Yeah, I know next to nothing about all this stuff, so I should probably just shut up.  {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:00, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

== Protect the 8-Bit is Enough Logo ==

The header speaks for itself. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:01, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Done. Next time, you should contact a sysop via IRC for transitory requests like this. Thanks. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Need for a "see" template? ==

Should we create a template for "''See [[Special:Random|whatever]]''"? It seems that I have done a lot of this recently. Would there be a need for it? --[[Special:Contributions/75.5.176.233|75.5.176.233]] 23:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:We already have such a template: [[:Template:for]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::No, I mean just "See whatever" not "For the whatever, see thisever". --[[Special:Contributions/75.5.176.233|75.5.176.233]] 01:06, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, it sounds like the thing we can just type ourselves. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 04:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::BBG, i think you're missing the point. He's talking about what appears [[Hooked on Decemberween#Transcript|here]] for example. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:40, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm still not convinced a template is necessary.  With all the curved brackets, a template might be slightly more work typing than necessary. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 15:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::<code><nowiki>:''See [[X]]''</nowiki></code> vs. <code><nowiki>{{see|X}}</nowiki></code>. Not a huge improvement, but potentially useful if it's used enough. How many instances that use this exact formatting are we talking about here? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I think that it kinda defeats the purpose if the template just replaces braces with italics... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I went ahead and made a template anyway. ''See {{t|see}}'' &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I saw, and i don't think it really adds anything except server load. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::That only comes into play when a page is being cached. The hundreds of signature templates we allow are far worse on the server, and so server load shouldn't be a consideration on whether we use this template. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Did you at least get his main point that this is a pretty superfluous template? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes. That's why in a previous post I said, "Not a huge improvement, but potentially useful if it's used enough. How many instances that use this exact formatting are we talking about here?" &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Just to clarify, the server load thing was a minor joke. I wasn't seriously saying it was a consideration. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Decemberween theme? ==
Is there not going to be a Decemberween theme here with the snowflakes and such? [[User:MHarrington|MHarrington]] 08:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== If there's nothing new on Monday... ==

Could we replace the 8-Bit is Enough Logo with the burninated Strong Badia picture? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 18:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:I haven't had a chance to play the game yet, and have been avoiding our articles on the subject. Thanks for spoiling that part for me. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::It happens in like the first 5-10 minutes of the game.

:::yeah.  BBG, not the best idea.  not everyone on here has the game yet.  {{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 13:05, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

== Wrong FA for Week 53, 2008/Week 1, 2009 ==

Due to the remainder week, it looks like FA rolled back to week 1, 2008 [[Nebulon]], rather than the [[winter pool]] article.  I've created a Week 53 alias, but could a sysop fix the error? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 02:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah... [[Wikipedia:ISO 8601#Week dates|Technically]], we're already in 2009 Week 1, even though we're still in 2008... so &#123;{CURRENTWEEK}} is 1, but &#123;{CURRENTYEAR}} is still 2008, since it is still 2008. I'll see what I can do to make it more accurate. {{User:Phlip/sig}}
::There we go... looks like it's working now. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:08, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Spiffy solution there.  Should the W53 alias now be deleted, since it's not needed? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 03:13, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

== Filter ==

Got another questionable page. http://www.homestarrunner.com/filter.swf Anybody have any idea what that's for? It redirects to [[run2x]].<br><br>More mysterious and not-so-mysterious pages:
* http://web.archive.org/web/20030604125126/homestarrunner.com/__utm.js
* http://homestarrunner.com/sbsign.swf
* http://www.homestarrunner.com/AC_RunActiveContent.js {{User:The thing/sig}} 04:44, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:any ideas? {{User:The thing/sig}} 20:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:AC_RunActiveContent.js is a Javascript script that does... things... similar to what SwfObject and UFO do (embedding SWFs). The Brothers Chaps were probably going to use it, but they just use the &lt;embed&gt; tag. {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 00:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
::[[Secret Pages#Other Animations|the sign]] is already known. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:12, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

== SVGs ==

Why were SVGs disabled? I mean, is there anything wrong with SVGs? Because I was trying to upload [http://htwins.net/SM_m.svg this] SVG that I wrote (my first SVG!) to replace Strong_Mad's_M.PNG. {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:25, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's not so much that we've ''disabled'' SVGs, more that we haven't bothered to ''enable'' them. Mostly because the large majority of the images we upload are screenshots of H*R cartoons... so, while an SVG would be good (the Flash toons are vector art too, after all), it takes considerably more effort, and is much more likely to be inaccurate, than just taking a screenshot and uploading it as a PNG. Making it an SVG would involve either tracing a screenshot in an SVG tool (lot of effort, likely to not quite match the original) or exporting an SVG from Flash (also a lot of effort, would require a decompiler and a working version of Flash, and I'm not even sure if Flash ''does'' have an export to SVG option). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:45, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Still, if people want to do it, it's their trouble to go to, as from the administrative side, it's as simple as modifying one line in PHP to allow them. In my opinion, it's worth giving people the option, as i can only see it helping the wiki. (I'd really like to see svg exports of the [[Quote of the Week Character Heads]] as the gallery stretches them and makes them appear distorted currently.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know why we need to use svgs. It may work for Wikipedia, but I wouldn't really relate us to them. {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 02:05, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::This has nothing to do with wikipedia. I already stated that i can't imagine any harm coming from it, AND gave an example of somewhere it would do some GOOD... I think that's all we need. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure, I have no problem with them being enabled... I just don't want to see them getting popular to the point that Average Joe Wiki User can't upload a screenshot of the new toon without SVGitising it first. As long as PNG is still the standard, it doesn't worry me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:36, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Oh, and I think I might remember why SVG is disabled... before [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 27#What HAppened Today?|the server move]] we did a while ago, we were using a rather old version of ImageMagick... I remember some tweaks had to be made to MediaWiki to get it to work properly. I have a feeling that, because of its age, it couldn't handle SVGs, or reacted badly to them in some way... I'm not sure of the details though, it's been a while. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'll look into what it would take to enable SVGs the next time we upgrade (it's probably as simple as just enabling a variable). I would want any SVGs used in articles to have gone the decompiler route rather than the trace route. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== Hey ==
Hi everyone. Just joined the wiki. I probably wont
be much help, but I'll do what I can. (Hope this is a fine spot,
should have posted in The Stick) {{User:Kid2255/sig}}
:Hey Kid2255. Welcome! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

::wait, he just joined and already has a sig?  it took me months to get mine.  well, maybe i suck at wiki-ing and not him too smart.  i'm kinda stupid, for those of you who noticed.  MichaelXX2 does my sigs and other formatting i can't freaking figure out for the life of me.  he's nice that way...usually.  well, hi kid2255.  {{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 20:03, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I copied my sig from another wiki. {{User:Kid2255/sig}} 00:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

== main page glitch?  or my computer sucking? ==

on the homestar site, the QOTW doesn't play/get and the fanstuff and sketchbook say things that they are not.  for example: the cheat on a cell phone with a picture of a chainsaw car; undead sheep and plutis and bubs pics.  is this me or the site?  thanks, {{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 19:59, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Well, it's [[#Weeklies Promblem|not just you]] (I have this issue too), but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the site either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
::oh, so nobody has a clue now?  well, i guess not.  i also would've posted there if i saw it.  {{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 21:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

== Contents... ==

How do I add 'em? Do I just put multiple Headlines, or do I need some thing in there?
[[User:Kid2255|<font color="green">Kid2255</font>]] [[User talk:Kid2255|<font color="green">Talk</font>]] 23:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)



== Pictures ==
How do I add my own pictures to my user page?---[[User:Record307|Record307]]

== Extra &lt;/ul&gt; and &lt;/li&gt; closing tags? ==

Does anybody know why MediaWiki is generating unnecessary closing &lt;/ul&gt; and &lt;/li&gt; tags after lists? Because I'm noticing a lot of them in several pages. {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 03:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:It's always good to be as close as possible to [[Wikipedia:XHTML|XHTML]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Li_ul.png|thumb|right]]
::Yes, I know about XHTML and self-closing tags and all that stuff. What I mean was this: &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 20:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Which page was that?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
::::[[Happy Hallow-Day]]. {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 03:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::If you suppress the TOC, the page validates fine. Other pages, like [[New Boots]], also validate fine. Puzzling. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::Playing around, it looks like if the second-last heading has a subheading (as in the DVD Version section in [[Happy Hallow-Day]]), but the last heading doesn't, then it puts in the extra close tags. That may or may not be the only situation that it happens, but it seems to fit what I've seen so far... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== HRWiki has more than 2 problems? ==

This explains it: [[Image:More_than_2.JPG]]
:Your highlighting is awesome, btw. That was probably the title I used when we had to take the wiki or somesuch down sometime, and it's just left over in your browser. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::As a quick note, sarcasm isn't transferred well through text. By the way, what does btw stand for? &mdash; DiedInSaskatchewan

== Why no new stuff? ==

Does anybody know why there hasn't been any new stuff for like 3 weeks? It's really starting to bug me!! [[User:Stark Traurig|Stark Traurig]] 21:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
:We don't know. Why don't you [[email]] TBC and ask them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I will, but I kinda doubt I'll get a reply.[[User:Stark Traurig|Stark Traurig]] 15:50, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
:::It looks like this is the longest it has ever taken for the first update of the year to be posted.  The longest by far, actually.  The Brothers Chaps must either be taking a really long break, or be working on something really big.  Maybe the sbcg4ap bonus features. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 12:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Last year's last toon was also one of the ''latest'' we've seen in years, so there you go. But the bottom line is: They'll be back when they're back, and until then, any further discussion of why they aren't yet is just speculation. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:23, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::What would become of the Homestar Wiki if they announced the cancellation of Homestar Runner? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm sure the wiki would remain here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Defender, that's speculation.  Take it to the forum. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.189|132.183.140.189]] 16:54, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::::::::DeFender wrote in the edit summaries that this is an alright place to discuss the potential end of the Wiki.  I think if it stays, we should change the "what's new" box into a "Today in Homestar history..." box. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, I was joking.  That said, I think it's a little premature to discuss it at the level of detail you're suggesting. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.189|132.183.140.189]] 17:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, maybe i didn't make myself clear. There is no point in discussing what will happen to the wiki. If they cancel homestar runner, we'll figure it out then. And when the sun goes nova in 4 billion years, we'll worry about that. And when the universe itself collapses in 30 trillion years, we'll probably all be dead already from the sun going nova. My point is, there's no indication that it's likely to happen soon, and no point worrying about it until it does. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
:Besides, TBC have mentioned several times in interviews  that they were insanely busy the last six months of 2008, between [[SBCG4AP]], Limozeen gigs, and general updates to the site.  I wouldn't be surprised they are taking an extended break to recharge.  So keep your [[pants]] on, for reals. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:31, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
::I still think that it is probably the end of H*R.  Yes, the commentary for [[email thunder]] mentioned that it would be the last e-mail as opposed to the last toon, but in [[A Death-Defying Decemberween]], Homestar was referred to as "homestarrunner.com" twice and tried to kill himself, thus hinting that it might be the last toon.  Nothing like that happened any of the other times we thought the latest sbemail would be the last (flashback, alternate universe, etc.). [[Special:Contributions/32.176.211.126|32.176.211.126]] 20:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)