Editing Talk:candy product

== Missing Back Button ==

Didn't know if anyone noticed yet, but I loaded this email and at the end, there's no Back button. Anywhere. I used the TAB button to see if it was hidden or anything and nothing came up. Just wanted to let you guys know.
: I don't know about ealier, but there's a Back button now. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Draw Trogdor again ;) ==

TBC knew that a wiki member was in the [[Flashforward_2006_Seattle_-_28_Feb_2006|Flashforward]] audience. On the H*R Junkmail Filta, I'd like to think they were winking at ''us''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:Maybe that was just in there because TBC has stated multiple times that they don't answer emails on a previously covered topic ([[dangeresque 3]] being the closest thing to an exception). --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 20:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Sure, that's why "Draw Trodor again" is there, but I think the ";)" is directed this direction. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Nah, I don't think it was us in particular - more like the people who keep sending emails about things that have already been done. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, of course I can't be sure, but I'd still like to think so. :) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::At the very least, it was deserving of a Fun Fact. I'm surprised it wasn't added until now... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

==Another Nod? ==

Just this past week we started a page about [[Strong Bad Smiling]] - and what's the final shot in this email? Coincidence?? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:Yes. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Tom Hank's SNL Reference ==

the intro was a definate reference to the Tom Hanks appearance on SNL; specifically the Wayne's World Sketch with Hanks as the roadie for Aerosmith. [[user:thereddestraddish]]
:Yes it is, I couldn't place it. Add that! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


:I thought of that Wayne's World sketch as soon as I heard it also. {{User:Stonecold5987/sig}} 20:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

::I dunno.  As I stated on the STUFF page, I don't think it's really a reference.  The phrase is commonly used in this context. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 01:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

:anybody within 5 years of the Bros. Chaps' age will immediately think of Tom Hanks on SNL, and rightly so.  It doesn't matter if A/V departments actually use this or not: it was made funny by that skit, and is the only thing that makes sense for its random inclusions in a SBEmail.

== Nougat is the candy equivalent of veal ==

What is Strong Bad talking about?  There's a Wikipedia entry on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nougat Nougat] but I didn't get any veal equivalency there.  --[[User:66.241.95.65|66.241.95.65]] 19:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:He's just saying that Veal is like the best kind of meat, nougat is like a candy Veal. Its like.. a metafor? i dunno, one of those.--[[User:Collin|Collin]] 20:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I could be wrong, but I think this was another job for [[pop-up|making stuff up]]. Remember, that's one of Strong Bad's hobbies. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::I don't think so. The important characteristic of veal is it's made from baby cows, or at least that seems to me to be what he's referencing. Veal is only the best if you like it. Lots of people don't. --[[User:66.241.95.65|66.241.95.65]] 20:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Veal is really tender, and nougat is soft and easy to chew as well. I guess. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Veal is also expensive and closely associated with cuisine. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it any less luxurious. There's no way he means that nougat is the candy that's made out of baby cows. That's just stupid and totally counter to the idiom he's using. Besides, he's trying to hype the candy bar, not get PETA on his case. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]
::::So nougat is the most expensive, luxurious candy?  Finally, an explanation that makes sense!  --[[User:66.241.95.65|66.241.95.65]] 20:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Check this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nougat&oldid=44860062 recent Wiki edit] (currently, the most recent). :) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
: Uh... I hope that wasn't added by you... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Certainly not! But it's hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::: Perhaps, but it's also (sort-of) vandalism. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Sure it is. I wouldn't do it myself, but it won't stop me from smirking when I see something so referential done. I feel the same way here - most of the absolutely inane edits are annoying, but once and again there's one that makes you crack a smile. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Transcript  ==

Hey, i'm doing the transcript i guess, and since its my first I really don't know what i'm doing. So if you have anything to add, change, fix, etc., be my guest. --[[User:Collin|Collin]] 20:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:One thing I noticed is that em dashes were used to break sentences so stage directions could be wedged in, rather than ellipses. I see it done both ways in other transcripts, so I raised the question of consistency in the [[HRWiki talk:Manual of Style#Ellipses vs. Dashes|Manual of Style]]. Come discuss, ye interested parties. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== "Sibilants" ==

I believe Strong Bad is actually saying "syphilis" at the beginning of this email.
Because: he is obviously doing a mike check, and "syphilis" is the word generally used in video production to do a mike test.
Trust me, I know. --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 20:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:Um, no. It's Sibilance, clearly, and ref. Wayne's World skit on SNL with Tom Hanks and Aerosmith. 
{{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

::Also, the whole point is to check that the sound system is properly reproducing sibilants (or sibilance).  In the U.S., we don't pronounce the "T", so it's impossible to know whether he's saying sibilants or sibilance, but it's definitely not syphillis.  --[[User:66.241.95.65|66.241.95.65]] 20:15, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. My bad. *smirks at people who watch Wayne's World* --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 20:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I at first heard it as "Sibboleth". (Points to the first person to identify that reference.) But what we wrote is obviously correct. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

::[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Judges%2012:4-6;&version=31; Judges 12] -- that's what I heard the first time too :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw the same joke used on a rerun of The Daily Show the day this e-mail was supposed to come out (the day before it actually came out). Odd coincidence, or do TBC get their jokes from late night tv, much as I do?
: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:That's currently getting demolished in STUFF. If you think it should be there, log in and vote for it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:The first thing that came to my mind was Sibbie.

128.205.218.25 changed "sibilants" to "sibilance" and vice versa, suggesting that "sibilance" would be the term used in audio engineering, rather than "sibilants". Lest it get reverted, I will second that. I majored in both music synthesis and music production & engineering. While both terms were used frequently, I only ever saw "sibilants" used in more "academic" sound design and analysis contexts, to refer to the individual sibilant sounds themselves, and their components. (For example, "In this particular speech synthesis scheme, sibilants are created from simple filtered white noise.") In discussions of sound reinforcement and studio recording, I always saw "sibilance" as the more nebulous "thing" you needed to tame with proper mic placement and equalization. (For example, "Good vocals, but you've got too much sibilance." Never "You've got too ''many'' sibilants.") --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 20:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:Thirded.  "Sibilants" makes no sense in the context in which the word is used here. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

== familiar sign... ==

Did anyone see the [[Tandy 400]] in the commercial? --{{User:The 386/sig}} 20:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:It's already noted on the [[Tandy 400]] page. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

What got me was the stuff on its screen. "Current date is blah blah. Set new date?" I remember being foxed by that on the computer in primary school. :-) [[User:86.142.179.66|86.142.179.66]] 22:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Newspaper ==

The paper when Strong Bad is in the bathroom says :

Back Pape:
Famous couples were spotted eating, walking around, and on movie screens across the country.

Da NewsPapes:
World events continued for the 43rd consecutive day. This is just 3 shy of all-time record of 46. Many believe this is a sign of things to come. Ed Bache concurs. "This is a sign of things to come."

I Don't know where to put it, but thats what it says. --[[User:Collin|Collin]] 20:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

::I would put it after the Priodic Table of Candy. --[[User:66.241.95.65|66.241.95.65]] 20:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::How do you get rid of the black border when you view the swf file?{{User:Csours/sig}} 20:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Well how i did it, was i made a new file in Flash MX and imported the SWF file, and on the frame that it had the newspaper, i just clicked the border and pressed delete. When you import it you don't have as much control as if it was a FLA file, but you can still do some stuff with it. at least in the version i have. --[[User:Collin|Collin]] 20:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know who the heck Ed Bache is?
:Orthapedic surgeon as far as i can tell from google. wrote some books on feet. works for a hospital in the UK. may just be a random name though, but the only ed bache i could find on google has to do with orthapedic surgery. --[[User:Collin|Collin]] 23:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
== Elements ==

Someone's mentioned that Pb and Al stand for lead and aluminum in the remarks section. It seems to me that this should be an all-or-nothing comment. So should we add Co (cobalt), Cr (chromium), Ca (calcium), and Mt (meitnerium)? Or should we delete the existing remark? -- [[User:The Lyrical Wondermind|The Lyrical Wondermind]], who forgot to log in
:It's been removed on those grounds, but I'm in favor of re-adding that fact with all the real elements listed. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, that was me. I mistakenly noted "Ma" as a real element in my summary, didn't remember Cr, and have never heard of Mt before (it's one of those bottom-row post-100 elements) but yeah. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::I was thinking of making a page for the elements {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 21:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Might not be a bad idea to move the table there too, as it's quite distracting here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Okay. Should I take it of the email page? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 21:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::If you're going to, put it on its own page first to save yourself some trouble. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Edgar's Baby's Daddy redundancy ==

With the upgrade of the text version of the spam filter, the textual and graphical versions are virtually 100% redundant.  Can we please pick one to delete? {{User:Bill/sig}} 21:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:Two things: We would never delete the text version, because we can't assume that the image can be seen. But there's nothing wrong with having both, especially since the graphical version has Homestar's picture on it. See [[Senorial Day#Trivia|Senorial Day &rarr; Trivia]] for a similar example. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::But it seems so ... silly ... to have both on the page.  It's almost like looking at an image and the image's thumbnail together.  If the text version is the "safest" or most broadly viewable, then what's the point in having the graphical version?  We don't upload a screenshot of every other text rendering. {{User:Bill/sig}} 22:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:::The table is good for copying and pasting the text. It's the version we can count on users seeing, and so on. But there's just something about seeing the real version. True, we don't do it in every case, but since we have it, why not use it? Also, in this one's case it's easy to miss your chance to click on the Easter egg since it goes by pretty fast. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

==Another Edgar's Baby's Daddy redundancy==
Hey, I just figured out that "Edgar's Baby's Daddy" would be Edgar.{{User:Theforumveteran/sig}}
:Could be adopted... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Re: Edgar's Baby's Daddy = Edgar... I think that's the joke... &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::I suppose there is the incredibly unlikely argument that Edgar could be female... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::It could also mean that Edgar's wife had a kid with another man, or Edgar married someone who already had a kid. --Kingurth
::::: meh, why isnt this a fun fact?{{User:Csours/sig}} 01:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::I think "my baby's daddy" is slang or something.  It was also a movie title. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 01:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, it is. "Baby's daddy", or "baby-daddy" is a new term for a new familial status: the man who fathered a woman's child but is not married to her, not engaged to her, not called her boyfriend for one reason or another, yet remains in the picture, if only to pay child support. The irony here is that only women have baby-daddies in this sense, so it's an unusual term to apply to Edgar. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 03:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Answered in Wikipedia? ==

GCNU is not an acronym. Also Baby Ruth is not named after Babe Ruth. Both of these
could be found on Wikipedia. [[User:Beep|Beep]] 23:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:GCNU (GameCube Noob University?) is not an acronym, but [[Crazy Go Nuts University|CGNU]] is. You're probably right about the second thing though. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 23:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:: Actually, he's right about the acronym thing. An acronym is a ''word'' formed by the initials. CGNU is simply initials. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::: The baby ruth thing is very debatable.  People, even at that time saw right through the company's claim about being named after Clevland's daughter. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Gamecube Noob University...GCN is the most commonplace symbol for the Nintendo Gamecube (I don't know why, it probably should be NGC...if you're smart, you won't have to look back at what I've just typed to figure that out...)  -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 23:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

::::GCNU is just a typo, if you look at the toon it says CGNU. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::I know, I'm MAKING FUN OF HIM...  -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 00:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Baby Ruth may not be ''officially'' named after Baby Ruth, but the popular association with him is enough to merit a mention. (Which I did.) What other athletes have their own candy bars? (Which is not meant as a rhetorical question.) --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Marshie as Sinistar? ==

Is Marshie's "You can't destroy meeeee....." line a reference to '80s video game [[Wikipedia:Sinistar|Sinistar]]? [[User:Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] 23:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmmmm...I think you may be right.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 23:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

: I doubt it. It's pretty generic. In fact, someone tried to add it as a reference to the Law of the Conservation of Mass. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:26, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:: Conservation of mass?  That's just weird.  Anyway, I guess it would only count as a Sinistar ref if Sinistar actually said a line like that, which he may or may not have done (I never played the game). [[User:Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] 00:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:I went hunting around for the line "You can't destroy me" in any context and couldn't find it.  I also couldn't find anything about sinistar saying anything like that.  It's just the sort of things villains say when they seem defeated.  For instance, if they've been dispersed into a cloud of vapor.  Actually, that description is not entirely unlike [[wikipedia:Minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Hactar|Hactar]], the villainous computer from [[wikipedia:Life,_The_Universe_and_Everything|Life, The Universe And Everything]], who was pulverized into a cloud of debris around the planet Krikkit, but lived on to plot revenge. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]
The title pages of many of the games have the line "I (blank), I hunger!", apparently a quote from Sinistar. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 01:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it was more in reference to the fact that a) Marshie is a "bad guy", and b) on the Periodic Table of Candy Elements, element 11 is Marshmalloid. Prior to the discovery of the various subatomic particles (Electrons, Gluons, etc. see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model Wikipedia] to make your head a splode), atoms were considered indestructible and indivisible.--[[User:70.66.36.126|70.66.36.126]] 10:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Funny, I was sure that the Marshie quote was Sinistar, but the only Google hit brought me to this Discussion page. Guess I was too busy playing Q*bert.

Sinistar (this is so copyright Williams entertainment, and Midway Games):
*I hunger!
*Run, Coward!
*Beware, I live. (Or, Beware, Coward!)
I can't think of any more.  Sorry for the long message... -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 21:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

== resistance is futile ==

Did anyone think that when the marshie character said "you can't destroy me," that this was a Star Trek-ish type of reference to the common enitity type monsters that they encounter on that show?  I'm sure uber-trekkies will come out the wood-work on this one siting every time something like this has appeared on every sci-fi show, but Star Trek was the first thing I thought of. Reference? No? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
: Uh... see immediately above. TTATOT rules apply. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah I didn't see the above until just now {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Okay, after months of wondering and minutes of fruitless searching, I give up:  What does TTATOT stand for?  (Things That Are ... something?)  And, as a follow-up, how would one find this answer on his own without having to look like a n00b by asking?  ;-)  {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::"This, That, And The Other Thing", a term coined by [[User:Jay|Jay]], I believe, on the old STUFF page, on a fact that was basically a list of things that something ''might'' have been a reference to. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:37, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, you could start [[HRWiki:Glossary#T|here]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::[[Talk:best thing#A reference to this, that, and the other thing|Aha, found the origin]] &ndash; who said obsessivity was a bad thing? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, I find it amusing that the [[HRWiki:Glossary]] is a "n00b's" best friend and also one of the wiki's best kept secrets. And incidentally, IRF, that ''was'' the first thing I thought of; the Crystalline Entity or that nebula that Voyager flies inside that turns out to be alive... &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
: Yeah, that looks like the gaseous entity from the Star Trek episode <i>[[Wikipedia:Obsession_%28Star_Trek%29|Obsession]]</i>. Futurama also made a reference to the gaseous entity in the episode <i>[[Wikipedia:Where_No_Fan_Has_Gone_Before|Where No Fan Has Gone Before]]</i>. http://uplink.space.com/attachments//76796-cloud.jpg http://ponilla.org/Nimoy/Cartoons/Futurama_WnF_15.jpg [[Image:Marshie.png]] 
[[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 07:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

== Naked Striped Homestar? ==

Pardon, but it looks like Homestar took off his shirt (or...whatever) and stuck some stripes to his torso.  What do you think?  -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 23:40, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
: No, it doesn't. You can plainly see the collar of his shirt. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok fine, make me feel worse than I already do!...Oh, and is this the first time a character has been shown on the toilet?  And don't make fun of me if someone said that already!:) -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 23:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
: I wasn't making fun of you. And I don't know. We have a page on [[Toilets]], lemme check there. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::I know, I know. But it IS hard to express sarcasm on the internet (which is...why...I...thought...you...were...you get it). -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 23:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
::: To answer your second question, that depends on whether you count Strong Sad throwing up into a toilet in [[A Decemberween Pageant]], or The Kaiser peering out of an outhouse in [[Ballad of The Sneak]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I don't count it.  They're not SHOWN on the toilet.  -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 19:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

== Y2K ==
I don't know how to word this, or where to put it. But, when SB sings about "Y2K turned out all right!", I think it may be connected to "The date shown on the Tandy 400 is Friday, December 31, 1999. It is possible that Strong Bad was changing the date to avoid the [[Wikipedia:year 2000 problem|year 2000 problem]]." - [[User:Nickells|Speck]]
: Given that the scene appears at the same time as the line in question, I don't think it "may" be connected at all. That said, it's already on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::Ah, they were in the same scene? I'll look more carefully next time. - [[User:Nickells|Speck]]
:::I don't know exactly what to say for a fun fact, but I used to have a Compaq 8088 that had no CMOS, so the time and date wouldn't be saved when it was turned off.  Every time it booted it said something like "It is 01/01/88.  Enter new date (mm/dd/yy)".  I'm fairly certain Strong Bad's "no problem with Y2K" scene is a reference to that.  Maybe someone who knows computers from that time better could comment. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]
::::Ok, here's a possible version of the fun fact:
*Older computers did not have [[wikipedia:nonvolatile_BIOS_memory|nonvolatile BIOS memory]].  As a result, they could not keep track of the time and date when turned off, and would reset their clock to a default date when turned on.  Some operating systems ([[wikipedia:MS-DOS|MS-DOS]] for instance) would prompt the user to enter the date and time.  These operating systems also did not support 4 digit years.  When Strong Bad says "y2k turned out alright" it is because his computer was not even aware enough of the date to cause a problem.
I think it's atrocious.  It could probably be much more concise.  Any ideas? [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]
:* Sorry, I think you guys are way off.  It's a Y2K reference, plain and simple.  There's no evidence of any reference to OSes that forget the date; in fact, quite the opposite:  the Tandy is already "remembering" that it's 1999.  This is a simple case of Strong Bad changing, or more likely just ''checking'', the date. {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Sad in the ceiling ==

Um... didn't a previous email establish that the ceiling above the couch was like 900 feet high?  So how could Strong Sad get stuck in it and still be visible?  Or is this just a case of Moving Ceiling, since I think one of the April Fools clips uses a low ceiling height too.

:I haven't seen the email, but if Strong Sad is visible, I'm guessing they just moved the camera. So, I dunno how SS got stuck in a ceiling, but people get stuck in walls, so who knows? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 03:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::It was really low in [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]], which contradicts [[The Li'l Brudder Show]]. That said, I think the ceiling is at whatever height is convenient for the toon. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::The only email that showed the height of a ceiling previously that I can think of was [[pop-up]], but that was the ceiling in the computer room rather than the basement. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Thrice Edit Conflict:''' Yeah, there's a bit of question about this. In [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] It was shown to be a normal ceiling height. In [[The Li'l Brudder Show]] I believe it was shown to be somewhat higher with Homestar Jumping and crying. In [[pop-up]], the ''Computer room'' ceiling was shown to be "like 900 feet high", but that has no bearing on the Basement's ceiling height. And finally, in the [[Strong Mad#Character Video Transcript|Strong Mad Character video]], we see the ceiling of the basemen, which seems to be a normal height. In conclusion: Like [[Strong Mad#Physical Statistics|Strong Mad's height]], the difinitive height is a bit inconsistant, but the majority of the instances suggest a normal height, and that we should ignore the height depicted in [[The Li'l Brudder Show]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::[[couch patch]] also has the ceiling at a normal height, or at least low enough for Homestar to be able to spit a Teddy Graham onto it. [[User:The Lyrical Wondermind|The Lyrical Wondermind]] 05:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Coach Z ==

There's been some disagreement, so let's discuss. I put Coach Z's basketball-head under [[Other Character Variations]] because it seemed clear that Strong Bad had made his head into a basketball. (See [[current status]] if you doubt his ability.) Others have tried to put it in [[Coach Z Other Costumes]] but it seems to me it's not a costume. Frankly, I don't care where it goes, so long as it's the best fit. So what say ye? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:54, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:It looks like someone stuck a basketball over his head, hence the tear around the neck. And it kept its vaccuum seal and air because... hey, it's a cartoon. I go with Other Costumes. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::Other Costumes is where I'd look first for it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Well, the tear is inconsistent with what would really happen if you put a basketball over your head. But I see a possibility either way, though for me OCV is the way to go. Let's vote on it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}}	
I'm going to add one more point. A "costume" here seems to be something the character voluntarily put on, and can voluntarily take off. Coach Z in an afro is not a costume, it's a Character Variation, as you don't simply put an afro on or take it off. Likewise, '''Coach B and Zubs are Character Variations'''. How we vote below depends on whether we think Coach Z put the basketball on his head, or whether Strong bad made his head into a basketball. (Note that he also smashed Marzipan's canvas over her head, and put Strong Sad into the ceiling. This may be another malevolent act performed by Strong Bad since he is SBLOUNSKCHED.) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:I think you just made the case for it being an Other Costume. Strong Bad slammed the canvas over Marzipan's head (or, from another point of view, her head was jammed ''into'' the canvas). He stuffed Strong Sad's head ''into'' the ceiling. He crammed Coach Z's head ''into'' a basketball. The simplest explanation is that Coach Z is ''wearing'' the basketball, not that his head somehow ''became'' one. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:32, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::There is also the possibility that it is ''neither'' a costume nor a variation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely concur with this.  The basketball isn't a costume or variation any more than Marzipan's canvas is a costume or variation, even though she is temporarily and involuntarily "wearing" it.  Is [[Fluffy Puff Commercial|bird poop on Homestar's head]] a costume?  Neither is this basketball. {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Just to let you know, Qermap, there are some exceptions for your main argument. For example, Strong Bad certainly didn't  put [[:Image:mothersdaystrongbad.PNG|this costume]] on voluntarily! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Granted, but he was more coerced into wearing it. I don't think there's evidence they flrced the clothes onto him. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so if we vote that it's just a basketball on a head, does that mean the image is not noted anywhere? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd just like to say that this strikes me as one of the funnier Talk discussions I've seen on this Wiki.  Taking the whole "basketball on the head" discussion quite seriously. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:45, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
:Aw, and I was really hoping the [[Talk:Sbemail 150?!?#Drawings and Eyes|do these eyes google]] discussion would take that prize. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

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== Special Characters ==

Somebody edited a mention of Nestl&eacute; Crunch to replace the &amp;eacute; with an actual &eacute; character. It was done partially to avoid a redirect within Wikipedia, which is understandable. I looked for a mention of this issue in [[HRWiki:Standards]] and [[HRWiki:Manual of Style]], but I didn't find one. In the absence of officially-accepted practice, I'll put forth that this is a bad idea. Any characters that are not available in 7-bit [[Wikipedia:ASCII|ASCII]] encoding should be entered as [[Wikipedia:Character encodings in HTML#Character references|character references]], either numeric (&amp;#233; = &eacute;) or entity (&amp;eacute; = &eacute;) style. The other way does work, but it puts encoding dependencies on the server which can cause sneaky problems later. For example, when [http://kol.coldfront.net/thekolwiki/index.php/Main_Page The KoL Wiki] migrated from a Windows server to Linux, they discovered that all their specially-encoded characters were broken, requiring lots of annoying fixes. It's just far more robust to use character references. They even work for inter-wiki links, as you'll see on my revision of the Nestl&eacute; mention. If no one tells me not to, I'll write this up in Standards. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
: I'm all for the fix. Not only can I never remember any of the character codes that are necessary for those special characters on an American keyboard, but I've personally seen problems with writing the character directly on ''this Wiki''. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Le Veau ==

Should we add something to the "veal" explanation? I know it's nice and succinct as it is, but veal is particularly famous as well for the fact that a lot of non-vegetarians won't eat veal because of cruelty to animals. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
*Is it relevant, though? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:I suggest you try something like adding this idea to the [[Talk:candy product#Nougat is the candy equivalent of veal|above conversation]]. [[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 22:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Ahem!!! ==

Will somebody please stop deleting the fun facts I add? They are true! -[[User:70.106.37.69|User:70.106.37.69]]

:Well, your most recent addition was removed with <span class="plainlinks>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=candy_product&diff=next&oldid=292181 this edit]</span>. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:You said Homestar tried to steal pants in [[monument]], which just isn't there. That's why it was reverted. Check "Recent Changes" or History of a page to see why an edit was done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:31, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

== Elements ==

Do you think Marshie saying "You can't destroy me!" in the easter egg is a reference to how elements can't be broken down into simpler parts easily?  Possible fun fact?  
Crapfully yours, 
Jake in AL
* cool, didnt think of that.... i dont think it would make it as a fun fact tho.... {{User:Csours/sig}} 05:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
:I think that's a stretch. It could be SO many things. Who knows what? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

== TECH ==

I just removed this fun fact:

''"The team "playing" against CGNU is "TECH", a reference to [[mascot]]'s match between CGNU and Homestar's Knees Tech."''

That strikes me as a stretch, given that "(name) Tech" seems common among schools. I figure, if that was an intended reference, it would've been a lot more obvious. Really, the least important of three words does not constitute a reference. -[[User:YK|YK]] 06:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

:I think "TECH" could be a reference to [[Homestar's Knees Tech]] and should be mentioned as such. The only other Tech school that I know of in the Homestar world is [[Disco Tech]] where Bubs attends his night classes, but I doubt that it would be the school being referenced to because it has never been mentioned alongside [[CGNU]] in a toon as Homestar's Knees Tech has been in the [[mascot]] email. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 19:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

::Does it '''have''' to be a reference to something? If this got STUFFed, it'd probably get shot down. Like I said, the least important of three words does '''not''' make it a reference. And I see an anon re-added it. Who says they're not playing against "Strong Sad's Poetry Tech"? I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest the link between the two. -[[User:YK|YK]] 20:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I agree, it is kind of a stretch. If they put "KNEES" or something like that on the scoreboard, that would be a much clearer reference. But seroisuly, there's probably hundreds of schools out there with the name "Tech". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)



==Bar Shapes in Commercial==
* ''Strong Bad's candy bar comes packaged in two different rectangular shapes &mdash; the first resembling the old Choco-Lite bar or a [[Wikipedia:Nestl&eacute; Crunch|Nestl&eacute; Crunch]] with Caramel, and the second resembling a [[Wikipedia:Kit Kat|Kit Kat]] &mdash; in spite of the fact that the bar itself is supposed to be shaped like a pair of pants.''

I do not really think the shape of the bar has anything to with the shape of the package. There have been Easter candies shaped like the Easter bunny, and they're placed a hard, plastic container shaped like a rectangle so that it isn't easily broken.-[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 19:12, 23 March 2006

I didn't actually see any difference in the package shapes... maybe I'm just not looking at the right thing.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
Never mind! The first one seems to me like a Snickers bar (the not fun size kind), and the wider one makes me think of Hershey's... or Kit Kat.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:I agree with ThomasO. Reese's Cups, for example, are rarely in a round package, even the individual ones you get for Halloween. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I suppose one might expect the pants to be simply wrapped in colorful foil, but barring that, the rectangular package is about the only one that makes sense. I think the part of the fact after the em dash should go; it ''is'' worth noting (if only marginally) that two different size/shapes are shown. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:::The reason why there are two different size/shapes is simple: the first shape we see appears because Strong Bad just thought up the design off the top of his head. As he expanded his ideas, the whole outlook changed. Try imagining your own candy bar. The first shape you think of doesn't always match the shape of the final product. -[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 18:23, 26 March 2006

==SBLOUNSKCHED==

Do you think this could be a combination of things? SB could refer to Strong Bad, as in sbemail. Could the rest be short for something, or is this just a crazy case of making stuff up?
:The latter. Case in point: [[secret_recipes|Poopow, Chekt]], [[do over|stnanks]], [[animal|the pardack]] or [[Made-Up_Strong_Bad_Animals|da huuuuuu...d...g...e]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
::Don't forget [[bedtime story|suudsu]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh yes, how could I have forgotten The Cheat's little concoction? ;) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:I took it for granted that the SB in SBLOUNSKCHED! stood for Strong Bad, since he'd just given us the formula that started with "50% Strong Bad". But since I couldn't find any way to relate LOUNSKCHED to tooth rot and ta-dah, the combination fell apart after that. So mathematically, this is a 100% made-up word. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
::What's ta-dah!!!, anyway? - [[User:Sikon|Sikon]] 19:43, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Tada! It's all the oomph in the name. The presentation. The catchy bit that catches your eye and entices you into buying it. The tada! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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::::which one of sb's bogus math formulas did you use this time...?  -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 21:31, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

==Caddyshack Reference?==

When Strong Bad calls out the Baby Ruth as a piece-of-crap shaped candy bar, might he be making a reference to the famous scene in Caddyshack where the pool is cleared by a Baby Ruth floating in the water?
:Possibly. It's being voted on now over at the  [[Template:STUFF/candy product|STUFF]] page. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)



== Pants ==

Hasn't anyone noticed that Strong Bad's pants have reverted to their pre-Montage shading? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 18:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:Hmmm. Good eye. I don't think many caught on to this. Although for me, every time I watch this email, I think the bar more resembles of the lower half of Strong '''Sad''', not SB. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 22:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== Lots Of Athletes ==

The Reggie Jackson Bar's gotten reverted a few times based on "lots of athletes have a candy bar." I'd like to document that here. Besides Reggie Jackson, what other athletes have had their own candy bar? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:47, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:Second that. So far I haven't heard anyone mentioned besides Babe Ruth and Reggie Jackson. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
::Many Jackson bios call him the first to have a candy bar. That makes it pretty notable and very likely a reference. Mike was 5 when this came out, I'm sure he knew about them. I've added it back. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
:I at least know Carmelo Anthony has (had?) his own candy bar.  The main ingredient?  Caramel, what else?  I think they were called "Melos".--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 14:44, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Could you be refering to Carmello, the best candy bar ever invented (especially when frozen)?  If so, the link between him and his candy bar has disappeared.--[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] 22:15, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
:No, the [http://www.plbsports.com/ProductPgs/products_anthony.htm Melo]. But to be fair, I've never heard of either the basketball player or the candy bar before this day. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
:I distinctly remember eating a Cal Ripken Jr candy bar as a child, so there's one more. {{User:NightOfTheLivingEric}} 1:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Writer ==

The writer of this email, apparently, as he told me, was his first time emailing Strong Bad. How lucky can that be?