Editing Talk:A Folky Tale

== Physics ==

''If the laws of physics are the same in Free Country, USA as they are on the real earth, then the rope is only about 10 feet long.''

If i dare to reveal my ignorance, can anyone explain/elaborate?
And evidently, the rope is NOT 10 feet long as Strong Sad cannot see Homsar holding it
Then again, since when does physic apply around Homsar?
-[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]]

:The time it takes a pendulum to swing back and forth is the same regardless of its weight or density. It only depends on the strength of gravity and the length of the pendulum. So since the rope takes about 3.4 seconds to swing back and forth, it should be about ten feet long. But this fact keeps on being deleted, so it's probably not important. -[[User:Eman|Eman]]

::It's really not important how long the rope is, especially since you can still see the tops of the trees. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Who cares how long the rope is? thats not a very important part in the story. --[[User: Bubsty|Bubsty]]

:::Strong Sad doesn't say he can't see homsar; He just says that he is "concerned about what that rope is attached to." Wouldn't you be concerned if Coach Z told you to climb a rope held up by homsar and nothing else?

I should point out that the rope's ''center of mass'' should be at ten feet.  The rope is therefore 20 feet long (assuming uniform density).  Also, by counting ten periods while looking at my clock, the rope swings every 3.7 seconds, not 3.4 seconds which means it's 22 feet long if you trust some extra significant figures.  Hooray for my first contribution!--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] Some time before I got my account.

:Oh, come on, people. It might not be important, but it's kind of a fun fact to know that you can work out the length of the rope.

::I second that.  I think we should take a vote.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 21:28, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::There's a pretty big discrepancy between 10 feet at the top and 22 feet two comments above. Which it it? (It's been a bit since my last physics class.) It's hard to vote on something when the figures don't even agree. Somebody show their work. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:43, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::For small angles, where <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''T''</span> is the period of one oscillation, <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span> is distance from the pivot to the centre of gravity of the pendulum, and <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''g''</span> is acceleration due to gravity, <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''T''</span> = 2<span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">&pi;</span>(<span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span>/<span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''g''</span>)<sup>1/2</sup>, and I think we can agree that the angles involved are small. So with <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''T''</span> = 3.7s and <span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''g''</span> = 9.8ms<sup>-2</sup>, we get 
:::::<table CELLPADDING=4><tr><td ALIGN=RIGHT>3.7 s</td><td>=</td><td><table><tr><td>2<span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">&pi;</span></td><td><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:45px;line-height:50px;">(</span></td><td><table><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN="2" style="border-bottom:1px solid black"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER ROWSPAN="2">9.8</td><td ALIGN=CENTER style="border-bottom:1px solid black;line-height:8px"><small>m</small></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER style="line-height:15px"><small>s<sup>2</sup></small></td></tr></table></td><td><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:45px;line-height:50px;">)</span></td><td></td><td><sup>1/2</sup></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=RIGHT>0.59 s</td><td>=</td><td><table><tr><td><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:45px;line-height:50px;">(</span></td><td><table><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN="2" style="border-bottom:1px solid black"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER ROWSPAN="2">9.8</td><td ALIGN=CENTER style="border-bottom:1px solid black;line-height:12px"><small>m</small></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER style="line-height:15px"><small>s<sup>2</sup></small></td></tr></table></td><td><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:45px;line-height:50px;">)</span></td><td><sup>1/2</sup></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td>0.35 s<sup>2</sup></td><td>=</td><td><table><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN="2" style="border-bottom:1px solid black"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER ROWSPAN="2">9.8</td><td ALIGN=CENTER style="border-bottom:1px solid black;line-height:12px"><small>m</small></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=CENTER style="line-height:15px"><small>s<sup>2</sup></small></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td ALIGN=RIGHT><span style="font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:16px">''l''</span></td><td>=</td><td>3.4 m (about 11 ft)</td></tr></table>
::::However this is the distance from the pivot to the centre of gravity - for a pendulum the centre of gravity is the weight on the end, but for a rope it's approximately in the middle, making the total length is 6.8m or 22ft. However this also assumes no air resistance, and with the small oscillations that the rope has meaning very little gravitational force, the air resistance would be significant. But taking air resistance into account would only make the estimation of the length shorter (to be specific: in an frictionless environment the rope would oscillate faster (duh) so applying the frictionless formula to that smaller number would make a smaller length).
::::BTW: Why don't <nowiki><math></math></nowiki> tags work here? {{User:phlip/sig}} 23:16, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::::Good work phlip. I just thought of something else we may be leaving out: would the movement of Homsar's head (which is shown ''not'' to be motionless in the egg) affect the movement of the rope? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:53, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::::Good point... yes, it would. Especially with the small motions that the rope goes through. However given how regularly it's swinging we can probably infer either Homsar is moving in time or he's stationary except during the egg. Either is speculation though. {{User:phlip/sig}} 23:57, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:ropelength.png|thumb|10px|left]]
I tried measuring the angle of the rope as it swings, to find out where the pivot actually is, it comes to about 9ft give or take a foot or so (assuming that the distance between each knot is about foot and a half - I took SS and Coach Z as being about 6ft tall as a base measurement and worked from there. Also it depends on the accuracy of the angle measurements - one pixel either way can have a foot or two different answer). So regardless of what should physically happen, that's the point the rope is animated pivoting around. {{User:phlip/sig}} 07:49, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Hmm, I'm beginning to think that we might possibly be starting to go into a little bit more depth than TBC intended us to go for this swinging rope. {{User:phlip/sig}} 07:52, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::If air resistance had a significant effect, then the rope's oscillations would be decreasing in size. So air resistance is negligible. - [[User:Eman]]
:::Yes, I discourage people from assuming the knots are a specific distance apart or that Coach Z is a specific height.  Wasn't there lots of conflicting evidence about Strong Mad's height and weight?  If Strong Mad weighs 9,990 pounds (I think that was one measurement taken from Marshmallow's Last Stand), then the proportions in Free Country, USA might be ridiculous.  The bottom line is that if the physics of Free Country, USA is identical to our own, then the rope is 22 feet long.  That's a pretty big "if", however-- maybe gravity is much weaker to accomodate such enormous characters!  I still say we include it.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 18:56, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::Nah, there's too much guesswork. You said yourself it's a pretty big "if". On the other hand, this discussion itself is an excellent resource that takes many possibilities into account, and it even has equations and illustrations. I think it covers the topic well, considering that the bottom line is that it's all quite a bit of speculation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:08, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::::The reason why I like it is that the only presumption is that gravity accelerates objects at 9.8 meters per second squared.  We don't have to guess anything about the height of Strong Sad or Coach Z or the distance between the knots, etc.  We already know the characters have strange proportions.  Hell, The Cheat doesn't even have a liver or anything!  Why not use physics given that it's far more reliable?  I see no reason why it can't be added as long as we make it clear that it relies on the assumption that gravity is still 9.8 m/s^2 in the Homestar universe.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 19:33, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::::No speculation about it. The equation requires 2 things: the period and "g". What the heck! It's a Wiki: add it! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:16, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::What the heck! I added it! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:20, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

This calculation is complete crap.  The formula for the period of a pendulum assumes a weight at the end of a massless string.  This formula doesn't apply to massive ropes without weights on the end.  The physics of the two situations is quite different, for example a hanging massive string makes a hyperbolic cosine while a weighted massive string makes a parabola.
:Right you are, although the curving effect is insignificant. But, as you said, you can't assume all the weight is concentrated in one place.

:For a pendulum with a complicated distribution of mass, such as a hanging rope, the period is
::T = 2π*sqrt[I/(mgh)],
:where I is the rotational inertia of the pendulum about the pivot point, m is the total mass of the pendulum, and h is the distance from the pivot point to the center of mass. (For a simple pendulum of length L where all of the weight is concentrated at the end, I is equal to mL&sup2;, and h is equal to L. This yields the formula T = 2π*sqrt[L/g], which was used above.)

:If we assume the mass of the rope is distributed evenly across its length, its rotational inertia is equal to
::I = 1/3*mL&sup2;,
:and the center of mass is positioned halfway down the length of the rope, so
::h = 1/2*L.

:Therefore, the period of oscillation of the rope is
::T = 2π*sqrt[(1/3*mL&sup2;)/(1/2*mgL)] = 2π*sqrt[2/3*L/g]. Note that the mass of the rope cancels, and again the equation depends only on the period, the length, and g (the acceleration of gravity).
:So given a period of 3.7 seconds and an acceleration of gravity of 9.8 m/s&sup2;, we have
::3.7 s = 2π*sqrt[2/3*L/(9.8 m/s&sup2;)], which simplifies to:
:::L = 5.1 m (about 17 ft).

:In this calculation L is the total length of the pendulum, not the length to the center of mass (that’s h). So the total length of the pendulum is 17 ft (not 34 feet).

:You can’t assume that all the mass of the rope is concentrated at the end, as you can for a simple pendulum: this gives an answer of 11 ft, which is too small. However, you also can’t assume that all the mass of the rope is concentrated at the center, as phlip did, giving an answer of 22 ft. Instead, you must realize that there is mass at the top, the center, and the end, and everywhere in between. Taking the distribution of mass of the rope into account, we get an answer between the two: 17 ft.

:I know there are knots in the rope, but they are insignificant (unless there are lead weights in them.) Also, as the previous contributor rightly stated, a flexible rope pendulum will tend to curve as it oscillates. But for such small angles, this effect is also insignificant, and it doesn’t much change the center of mass or the rotational inertia. - [[User:Eman|Eman]]

::Though I haven't been able to come to the same conclusion from first principles, I found the equation you used in my physics text.  I'm going to take Eman's word on this.  I think he has come up with the correct answer and this can finally be put to rest.  Great jorb, Eman! --[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 23:51, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Nice work, I didn't know about that generalised formula... though I should have remembered that it's not just the position of the centre of mass that matters for a rotating object. {{User:phlip/sig}} 00:29, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== The mayor and Dancing bros. ==

Where should we catagorize them?  I like the Dancing bros. enough to make a page about them, but the mayor is just a guy.. with ... a job..?--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 04:20, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm doing the Dancing Brothers, but I don't think an article about the mayor is a good idea. {{User:Rogue Leader.sig}} 04:22, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Agreed--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 04:22, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I kinda agree, actully. The dancing Bros defianately need a page, but the mayor... i dunno. [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]]

The mayor actually doesn't say anything. He squeaks and Strong Sad says his words.

== The Elephant Man ==

May I add something about the realationship with how Puppet Homestar said that he looked like the elephant man on the DVD Puppet Stuff? --[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:36, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

does it take two or three times to be mentioned as an inside joke? it depends on that i think--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 04:38, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

After research i think that the elphant man is obscure enough to be classified as an inside joke...--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 04:39, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

So, then what should I do? BTW, thanks! lol --[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:41, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The elephant man hasn't ever really seemed obscure to me... Maybe to other people though. But all the same, in those two different contexts, it doesn't seem like an inside joke to me. If there was yet another reference to the elephant man after this, then I'd call it safe to classify it as an inside joke(or more appropriately, a running gag). --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]

So can I put it in that homestar said it too atleast?--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 20:35, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Linking Up==
I think it would be a good idea to link Saddy Dumpington in the inside references section.[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:40, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Saddy Dumpington's already linked at the top under Characters. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 04:42, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Roger.  Sorry!  I'm just excited to be helping a little bit with the new toon.[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:44, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

^^I feel the same way. I'm trying to find something I can do!!! lol --[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:45, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Shut up. --Der Pepper

Der Pepper, comments like that will get you banned. <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small> 18:59, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Who was he talking to?

==Linking to this article==
Should we title the link as Saddy Dumpington (toon), or Saddy Dumpington.  I prefer the latter because wherever the link is, people will be able to presue by the text that it is a cartoon.[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:48, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Saddy Dumpington is already an article about the character.--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 04:49, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I know that, but I talking about using the | thing in the link.  I've seen it before for toons.[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:51, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I vote we should hold off on the desicion until it is on the toons page and then make the visible part of the link say whatever the toons page says.[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 05:05, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

And now we know, "A Folky Tale." So much for that. --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]

i 'gree
== Article Name ==

Why is this article not called "The Folky Tale of Saddy Dumpington"? That's what's on the title card. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
: I think the page should be moved as soon as the title appears on the 'Toons page (which it hasn't yet). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:53, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree. I won't be surprised if that above is the full title. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::"A Folky Tale." I was close. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::I agree with Dot com on this one. Why is the article named the way it is? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:02, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::As "A Folky Tale," this is how it appears on the Toons menu. The question was asked when this page was called "Saddy Dumpington (toon)." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:11, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::D'oh! I'm not going to the main site enough! Thanks for clarifying! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:13, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::I do believe it is on the Toons page now! --[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 19:15, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Side issue: Should "The Folky Tale of Saddy Dumpington" be a redirect? I guess I could just make one, but... meh. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:19, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::its definately just called "A folky tale." end of disscussion.
== lol ==

I laughed my butt off at Jargle.. anyone else? Beuler?

I laugh at Coach Z's accent all the time.  I'm with ya there.

== Folk Tale World ==

I created the page [[Folk Tale World]] i'm bad at writing whole articles, so anyone be my guest.

:Shouldn't this be more properly called "Folky Tale World" or "Folky Tale Town"? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:22, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Ropes and Dopes==

I'm not sure if the "ropes are for dopes" comment should be kept in the remarks section (at least how it is).  Although when people start a story with a quote, the quote is in the story, that is not always true.  Maybe it should be in trivia. -[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 05:16, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:It seems like a remark to me. I find it odd that he used the quote as a transition to tell his story and then never mentioned it in the story itself. He used "passing out for the rest of their lives" to transition back to the rope. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:35, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Rope-a-Dope==
All this talk of ropes and dopes makes me think of Ali's "[[Wikipedia:Rope-a-dope|rope-a-dope]]" strategy vs. George Foreman. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05:32, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Homsar's line==

Any idea what Homsar is saying? The best I can make out is "I dazzle men," but that's only a guess. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Did he say something about a "mayor?"
:: It's possible. I'm pretty sure I hear a "dazzle", at the very least, but it's hard to tell. I know he's saying ''something'' and don't feel right leaving it as "''{muffled speech}''." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:31, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)


I'm pretty sure he says "I'm a climbable man..."--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 06:43, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:First I heard "I'm a rectangular man" (Which is lined up cinely with his hat) But now it's more like "I'm a (something)able man". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:53, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Someone just suggested "I'm a powerful man!" At first, I deleted it. After listening more closely, I'm pretty sure that's it. I put it back into the transcript that way. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:08, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hey I heard "I'm a powerfull man" too. It really sounds like that. We can't be sure.

:::Maybe next week's QotW will reveal all! ;) -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:10, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds to me like "I'm a talented man. - Lord-Z

:Either "I'm an admirable man" or "I'm a climbable man" is what I think. -Eternal

::Looks like someone changed it back to "muffled". Obviously we're not hearing the same thing. Any bets that next week's QotW clears this up? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:37, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Only if TBC are going to read this talk page... {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:43, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think it's "I'm square with the man", kinda inspired by the way his hat moves. I guess we really can't say though.. Heh. -[[User:Mick|Mick]]

I think he says "I'm an honorable man" but climbable makes sense. - [[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master doesn't have weird squiggly things on this computer.]]

:I think it might be something about Dazzle-Mazing, which could be a reference to [[Happy Fireworks]].

I always heard "I'm hardly the man." -Kvb

I definitely hear, "I'm a -----able man," or something very similar.  Let's wait and see.
:Yeah, "-----able man" is definitely what I heard. -Eman.  
I think it's: "am a miserable man" -[[Eh steve 2000]]

Something like "I'm man with a man".  Before blamming this, be sure to keep in mind that nothing Homsar says has to make sense.  Unless scripted.

Sounds like, "I'm a climbable man." to me! -20X6 GEM

I hear "climbable man" too, but thats just me.  Maybe we could make a footnote for it.
--[[User:Stong Bad|Stong Bad]] 01:36, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

After several reviews, all I can hear now is "I'm a ''hangable'' man." I mean, after all, Homsar is hanging from something. It is important to note I'm not suggesting that he's implying he's being lynched - it's more in the spirit of the lame fill-in-the-blanks game "Hangman." And yes, I realize "hangable" ain't good English, neither. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}14:53, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I definitely hear "I'm an honorable man"; the n sound in honorable is rather distinct. It seems more in character for him to say "I'm an honorable mention", however. Of course, Matt could just be holding a rope in his own mouth and mumbling nonsense. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

I email them so we will know soon [[Eh steve 2000]]

I hear "I'm a reliable man." I only played the Easter Egg like 4 times though. Also climable could work because of the rope.

My bet is on "I'm the Haddi-Man". Since we all agree on "I'm" and "man" what better word can fit than Haddi? As we all know, Haddi-Man is Homesar in the children's TV show, [[Whaddaya_Know%2C_Haddi-Man%3F]]...[[User:VL-Tone|VL-Tone]] 07:40, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I hear "I'm a huggable man" or "I'm a lovable man". -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|<font color=DC143C>MK and/or BurnBox</font>]] 03:05, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm positive he's saying "I'm elephant man," seeing as that's the line Coach Z just said.  [[socetew]]

I heard "I will go out with a man".

I heard, "I'm the elephant maaaaan." But then Homsar would be making sense by making fun of Strong Sad! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:34, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I heard "I'm half a man"- which would make sense because only half of him is on screen. -tuesrig

== Martbell ==

Could this be some nod at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell Art Bell]?  Those weird "dancing brothers" sure fit in with that hypothesis.

Haha or maybe not.  I just wanted to have this on here because that's what it made me think of.  [[User:64.164.69.221|64.164.69.221]] 11:36, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It definately sounds like something Art would do. His guest would be Glenn (Whom?) and the product would be the Killer Dynamo.

== Old Intro? ==

:When Saddy Dumpington walks through the field and is silhouetted by the sun, could it be a reference to [[Old Intro 2]]? Should I add this to Inside References or STUFF or what? I'm new at this. - Eternal
::There's many other instances of characters silhouetted against the sun. - [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

==Jargle=Gargle?==
Another instance of "G-pronounced-J"? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:12, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think so. It seems to be a mutation of the word "jargon." &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:15, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Jargon? I've heard "gargle" used in the sense of "nonesense" or "gobbledygook". -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:19, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I think it's a mangling of "gibberish" {{User:phlip/sig}} 06:51, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I think that we should add this as a fact and add this to [[G]] {{User:Rogue Leader.sig}} 01:33, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Look? ==

I don't know if my speakers are broken or what, but I hear something different for Strong Sad's first line.  It sounds ambigously explicit to me.  I certainly don't hear "Look," as indicated on the transcript, and I seem to hear a bit of an F sound.  Does anybody else hear what I (kinda) hear?
: If you're implying what I think you're implying, then no. TBC have made it clear that any language more foul than "crap" is not to appear on homestarrunner.com. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:14, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
: PS. Maybe you're hearing the "S" at the end of Coach Z's "times" (which is ungrammatical, but Coach Z makes the ''very same mistake'' earlier in the same line, so...) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:19, 23 Aug 2005 
:I think I heard SS say something like "flook".
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==Are Infintesimally Small Imperfections Really Goofs?==
I think it's a very bad idea to set the precedent that very very small color differences are somehow goofs worth noting. I'm sure if we looked hard enough, we could find numerous "goofs" of that sort in every single cartoon. It's my opinion that goofs worth noting involve continuity mistakes in either the story line or gross features of the artwork, not some miniscule color differences in a tiny 50 square pixel area of the frame. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:30, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I dunno. This one I find kinda interesting. TBC have been making toons for a while now. They're not what you would call novices. They have the tools and the talent to get it right at this stage of the game. It's not like those old ''Scooby-Doo'' cartoons. You know, where the trap door stands out because it's painted in a slightly different color of blue from the rest of the floor. In that case, the door and the floor were created using two completely different means, so it was almost impossible to get right. In the case of this toon, however, getting the color right should just have been a matter of selecting the eyedropper tool and choosing the background. I do agree with you that we have to draw a line somewhere, though. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:38, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Here's a description of the alleged goof: "the green is only 1/128 different. I had to zoom WAY in to be sure of this." Apart from being a good observation, is this really this level of "perfection" that we should expect from H*R? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:40, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I don't think we expect perfection (what we expect is beside the point). The fact is that it should have been one color (#007E00), and instead it was another (#008000). That's the very definition of a goof. The difference is ever so slight, true, but once it's pointed out, it's very obvious, at least to me. This project is a complete chronicle of H*R. I think any fact should be included that is so easily verifiable. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:50, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I understand what you're saying. I think we both agree that there is a limit to what should reasonably be noted. I just happen to think that this one lies outside that limit. I'm a little concerned that this'll set a precedent that'll send all the 12 year-olds off combing every frame at high-zoom looking for "goofs". ;)-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:58, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Wait, can you STUFF a goof?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 18:47, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, goofs can be STUFF'd. But if we do, we need to be careful. We need to make it absolutely clear that the decision on this fact has the potential to set precedent, whether we accept it or decline it. Another possibility would be to have a discussion in a more central location, like [[HRWiki_talk:Standards]], to decide just where the line on goofs should be. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

This is ''not'' infintessimally small. It's not blaringly obvious, but it's clearly visible without zooming in if you know to look for it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:17, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:And relating to this, I didn't even have to look. It's obvious to anyone sailing their eyes about the screen, and I know I was sure of the error without zooming in for a better look. Even if one doesn't see the green, the imperfection in the line, as well as the discolouration, is easily noticed. It's not infintesimally small, as was said, it's rather obvious that there's a discolouration in line and lawn. And relating to the Scooby-Doo point, yes, there may have been a more brightly coloured trapdoor against a darker floor, BUT both shades were not present on either object of the two, whereas here we have what should be an outright solid fill, interrupted. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 20:12, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:: The reason why we could see trapdoors in Scooby-Doo is because of how cartoons were made in the old days. The background was hand painted on some paper or cardboard, then, celluloids with painted characters were overlaid on top of it and animated. The background was not animated, except for panning and zooming. The paint used on cells was different and had different reflectivity index than the background. The background also had more texture and shadowing than the animated parts on cells, which were painted with uniform, unshaded colors. So that made the traps on walls and the floor very obvious. You could also guess when a statue, supposedly in the background, would suddenly start to move :) [[User:VL-Tone|VL-Tone]] 08:03, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Hay!==

A new toon! Is it good, I have yet to see it? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Champo.. The HR Wiki-ers were all over this toon like white on rice... It was up for 10 seconds before the page started to take form.. in the matter of 3 hrs. It was done, waiting for an official title... I was amazed.. It was like a bunch a little carpenters building a skycraper in like 5 minutes...--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 18:51, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What the bleep are you talking about?  I just saw it and the statements you made make no scence?  Whater you speeching aboot?

I think he was saying that indeed, it is good, and you need only look at the Wiki (or go to the forum thread) to find that out. [[User:71.115.224.254|71.115.224.254]] 07:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Coach X? Coach Y? ==

Any thoughts on Coaches X and Y? 
Could they be related to Coach Z?
Will we hear of them again? --[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 19:29, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Knowing TBC, I expect to see some sketches or cameo appearances in the future. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:27, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
: Whatcha think they'll look like?

I wouldn't be surprised if they were made up by Coach Z, in an attempt to act like he has friends. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

After all, there is [[Coach Zed]], and Coach "Backwards N." --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 03:23, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I think he was just using those names as a metaphor for any other average person. [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 00:13, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Title Screen ==

Yes, there is one, and this is it.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 19:48, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC) [[Image:saddy title screen.png|thumb|Title Screen]]
:Is that really the toon's title screen, or the title screen of the beginning of Saddy Dumpington's toon? I think it is the latter, making it not title screen to the toon, and also making this big toon titleless.
:: Yes, it is. The rope climbing bit is only an intro to the Saddy Dumpington 'toon; Saddy Dumpington is the true star of this one. It's a [[Wikipedia:cold open|cold open]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:17, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::: The real debate is if it is a cold open or not. I don't believe it is, I believe the toon is Strong Sad telling the story to Coach Z, and not the story itself. I believe this because of the commentary on the story (The Dancing Brothers for example).
::::Even if you don't consider the cold open to be a cold open, the fact that there may be no title shown still isn't that notable. None of the last three big toons have had credits to speak of. TBC seem to have moved away from full credits for a while (probably won't be until Halloween until we see any again, if then). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:54, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::::: But this is the first toon to have no title at all. The other toons had a title, this one just jumps into the action. I doubt they will ever include credits if this is the path they are going for.

== The Lake ==

It might be just me, but when I saw the lake in this toon, it reminded me of the pebble lake from peasant's quest. I'm not sure if we should really put it in there though.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 20:38, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== I heard him ==

I thought I heard Homsar say "I'm the lyrical plan" Did anyone else? -Kinsey
: I think everybody heard something different; see ''"Homsar's line"'' section above --[[User:Fig Laser|Fig Laser]]  23:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I thought I heard him say"Irm a Pwerfull Mrn!" Which sounded to me like "I'm a powerfull man!" Anyone else hear this?
I thought I heard "I'm Gone with the Wind".

== new page? ==

Should we have a page on that girl in the beginning?

I would say no. She's an even more minor character than the mayor. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 18:12, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== First time?... ==

Is it just me or is this the first time there've been two full-length cartoons released a week between? Certainly that's notable... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:47, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I sense a Toons DVD coming somewhere on the horizon (Probably with the first 10 of TGS and Marzipan's Answering Machine Included). That would make the most sense. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:31, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I proposed that we make the quick turn around a fun fact for the toon.  be sure to vote on it.  --[[User:Fig Laser|Fig Laser]]  23:43, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::I hope they continue making DVD versions of toons on the site. I love the commentary on the first two. I hope a toons DVD doesn't eliminate any online commentary. I'd rather believe TBC is just bored of constant SB E-Mails and would like to strech their creativity. Notice the lack of Strong Bad?
::::I do notice. And honestly, I'm vera happy! I mean, I think SB is awexome, but there was just too much! I was thinking the site was gonna be renamed StrongBad.com! 8-P [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:39, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==vandilism==
when i clicked on "homsar filmography" and theres a vandil that says sb e-mail interview is sb e-mail juifsdh it says juifsdh on the top of the page!i'm not in the troll comitty but can someone change this?

''You can change it yourself.  This is a wiki; anyone can edit it.''

== Isn't that Great? ==

Sorry, I was a tad bored. Who else loved this one? I sure did! (Being a creepy Strong Sad fan.) - [[User:Brittany|Brittany]] - "What's a Gothling?"

hehe.  Strong Sad is my favorite character, as well, so yes, I loved this cartoon.  As an aside, I only really like the newer Strong Sad, as the old one was '''way''' too whiny and depressing.  The present-day Strong Sad almost seems to want to crack a smile at times, which is good to see. - [[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

Deffenately. Strong Sad is my favorite character, too, but most people don't like him very much. Or, they love him, but they don't want to say it! - [[User:Brittany|Brittany]]

Strong Sad seems to be showing a bit of his brother's violent streak, or at least Strong Bad's tendancy to abuse characters. Poor Dancing Brothers.... Abused like the TGS before you.... -[[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

Oh, I love Strong Sad, and I admit it...too much...I have his figurine on my bedside table and I love wearing his T-Shirt.

== Which field ==
The article claims the location is [[The Athletic Field]], but I believe it's [[The Field]] instead -- the difference being the trees (bushes?) in the background. Maybe given that [[Coach Z]] is involved, it makes sense that it would be the Athletic field instead, but the look is certainly that of the plain old Field. Maybe this is a goof?

:I used to think the same thing. I even went so far as to change it, until I realized that, like everything in Free Country, USA, the Athletic Field's appearance has changed over the years. Once a very bright green and quite cartoony, it has now taken on the characteristics of the Field. In fact, according to Bubs' Yearbook Page (and supported by [[different town]], if it can be trusted), the Athletic Field is very close to the concession stand, which actually puts it ''in'' the Field. So... you're partially right, but it's more accurate to say the action happens in the Athletic Field. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:45, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Thy Dungeonman Reference ==

Hey everyone,

First I want to say how useful and interesting this site is!  It seems to have everything you'd want to know about homestarrunner.com and more...

I recently added an edit to Inside References, noting that one of the lines that Coach Z says seems to come from the Videlectrix game "Thy Dungeonman".  Coach Z says "Never you mind" to Strong Sad, which is also the reply that you would get from "Thy Dungeonman" if you type "Get Flask".  Does anyone else think that it is a valid connection?  The edit was deleted, and I'm just curious to see what other people might think.
: It's too generic. It may not be as common as "never mind", but it ''has'' been heard in contexts that have nothing to do with, or even predate, Thy Dungeonman. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:59, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:: Well, since I was the one who deleted it, I ''was'' going to explain myself. Turns out my reasoning is the same as Jay's. But welcome to the wiki, Anonymous, and I'm glad you like it here. Have you considered [[Special:Userlogin|registering a username]]? &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:03, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the replies!  I don't think I'll register yet, but I still think this is a great site!

== Homsar hanging ==
I see a resemblance to Homsar's character page. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 14:06, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Closed Stuff ==

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=== Kinda depressing, ain't it? ===
{{stufffact|The Dancing Brothers bear a striking resemblance to the circle-face characters seen in ads for [http://www.zoloft.com Zoloft], a prescription anti-depressant drug.}}
{{stuffverdict|20:33, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)|05:40, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|13|1|A Folky Tale}}

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=== Weird Snake & Friends ===
{{stufffact|The "Weird Snake" costume Saddy wore in the village is in the style of Barney the Purple Dinosaur from [[Wikipedia:Barney & Friends|Barney & Friends]], a TV show for kids.}}
{{stuffverdict|16:00, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)|03:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|17|4|A Folky Tale}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Main character absence ===
{{stufffact|This is the first 'toon on Homestarrunner.com that features members of the main cast, but neither Homestar Runner nor Strong Bad make an appearance.}}
{{stuffverdict|06:58, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)|08:15, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)|accepted in a landslide|22|4|A Folky Tale}}