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 Post subject: Mel Gibson's Drunken Anti-Semetic Rant
PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:35 pm 
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According to this article, Mel Gibson made anti-semetic comments when he was arrested for DUI. Discuss.

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I just wonder what ol' Mel is thinking about this whole incident now. Is he really that anti-Semetic, or was he just totally wasted? Hard to tell, since I don't really know him personally. If he is prejudice, then I feel sorry for him for being that close-minded. While I don't think that celebrities' opinions should necessarily have any more sway than anyone else's, I can understand the police not revealing his prejudice statements initially--do they report every single Joe Schmoe who they pick up who might drop racial epithets? We don't hear those on the news, so why should it matter if Mel Gibson says it?

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Celebrities get off the hook alot...Maybe he is but like PMG said its sad that they see the world like this.


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There is an old Latin proverb for this: In vino veritas.

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Not everybody speaks Latin... it means "there is truth in wine" (meaning people are more likely to say how they really feel under the influence of alcohol).


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That's true. Alcohol tends to remove inhibitions, but what's really weird is that this was the guy who made The Passion of the Christ. While there are those who use the term "Jesus-killers" to refer to Jews, did Mel's Passion have anything to do with those statements? Was he (unlikely, but still possible) joking? I don't wanna form an oppinion until I know the whole story, but the DUI in and of itself puts a pretty big splotch on his image in my book (look on page 213, beneath the doodles of the T-rex fighting Ghandi on the moon).

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I don't think Mel felt that way at the time he was directing the film. If he did, it doesn't seem to come across that way. However, he did receive some pretty severe backlash from certain people within the Jewish community about the film. He may still be harboring resentment because of that. Who knows? Even if true, I still don't think such remarks would be justified.

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This article is pure FUD.
They keep saying "TMZ has learned that..."
Well you know what? That's code for "We made the following up..."
If they're not going to cite their sources they they might as well write it on a peice of toliet paper for all the credibility it should get.
Or were you not aware that a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty around here? Get him on tape saying it or get an eye(ear?)wiottness to swear that he heard him say this, then I'll reconsider. Untill then, lay off Mel Gibson.

And no, I am not a Mel Gibson fanboy. I'm a fair treatment fanboy.

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Sarge has an important point, boys and girls (YAY Sarge!). Are there any other sources to this other than this one site? I was a bit suspicious of that myself.

Yahoo has an article, but it seems to be based mostly on the TMZ one, and so we still do not have another source.

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His apologies, at least, are all over the news sites. Although none of them directly mention anti-semitism, he does claim the statements he made were statements, "that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable." See here, for an example.

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Sarge wrote:
This article is pure FUD.
They keep saying "TMZ has learned that..."
Well you know what? That's code for "We made the following up..."
If they're not going to cite their sources they they might as well write it on a peice of toliet paper for all the credibility it should get.
Or were you not aware that a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty around here? Get him on tape saying it or get an eye(ear?)wiottness to swear that he heard him say this, then I'll reconsider. Untill then, lay off Mel Gibson.

And no, I am not a Mel Gibson fanboy. I'm a fair treatment fanboy.


So, are you saying that the police report pages that the article had for download in PDF format were made up?

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The possibility was there, Gidley. We didn't have anything telling us that that four-page document was the real thing except TMZ's word. But that's no longer the case. Apparently, the site, as fake-looking as it is, had it right. Note that it's not just reporting that TMZ.com said what it did, but that TMZ.com had the actual report, and I'm not thinking it's likely that the New York Times got that wrong.


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PianoManGidley wrote:
Sarge wrote:
This article is pure FUD.
They keep saying "TMZ has learned that..."
Well you know what? That's code for "We made the following up..."
If they're not going to cite their sources they they might as well write it on a peice of toliet paper for all the credibility it should get.
Or were you not aware that a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty around here? Get him on tape saying it or get an eye(ear?)wiottness to swear that he heard him say this, then I'll reconsider. Untill then, lay off Mel Gibson.

And no, I am not a Mel Gibson fanboy. I'm a fair treatment fanboy.


So, are you saying that the police report pages that the article had for download in PDF format were made up?

Why yes: Yes I am.
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Golly. A 'handwritten note that has been 'aquired' by a website from an unnamed source. Oh, yeah, handwriiten notes are just SO hard to fake. You need paper... and pens... and the ability to write like someone else.. It's NEVER BEEN DONE!
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Since when does an officer's notes that are evidence in a trial get posted to the internet before the trial? Isn't it supposed to be sealed in an evidence locker? Even if it's legitimate (and it sure doesn't look legitimate) the very fact that it's posted to the internet seems like a dirty trick by one of the lawyers to taint the jury pool.
I want to see this 'Deputy Mee' (if that is his real name) and I want to hear him tell us if this notepad is the real seal or not.
Golly, no interview with Deputy Mee on the TMZ website, yet they publish 'notes' they claim to be written by him. No mention of where they got these notes, no mention of if they asked Deputy Mee for the notes, or for permission to use the notes.
Gee, I think someone better call Deptuty Mee and tell him where he can find his stolen notes! I wonder how many years stealing an officer's notepad gets you in California? Is it a 'strike'? Can they send the SWAT team after you for it? :mrgreen:

Now, if you'd bothered to RTFA, you'd see that nobody except TMZ is saying "Anti-Semite" about Mel Gibson. The cops aren't saying it. Mell's not saying it. Deputy Mee is MIA. And the Jews aparantly are just fine with what he said considering nobody from the local Jewish community has said word one about all this yet. Or maybe they just don't read TMZ or watch Fox News. Or believe everything they read. Or are complete gullible fools who accept evidence out of context that has dubious origins and could have been easily forged and has no available chain of evidence to examine and isn't backed up by a single actual witness that's available for an interview who backs up TMZ's claim. Yeah, I bet that's it....
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The New York Times has an article on Mel's tirade. I think that settles that the incident did happen. Otherwise, why would be be apologizing?

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Hmm...I see all the evidence stacked up against Mel, but part of me is still a little beat unsure about some of this. There seems to be too many holes to fill in.

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The possibility was there, Gidley. We didn't have anything telling us that that four-page document was the real thing except TMZ's word. But that's no longer the case. Apparently, the site, as fake-looking as it is, had it right. Note that it's not just reporting that TMZ.com said what it did, but that TMZ.com had the actual report, and I'm not thinking it's likely that the New York Times got that wrong.

Um, there's no new informatiopn in that NYtimes peice except the interveiw with the national Anti-Defamation League director, who very wisely prefaced his comments with "If it’s true... " because he's no fool.
So, now Time Warner (and the Warner Sister, WMZ)* AND the NYtimes are calling Mel and anti-semite. Well, perhaps they know something we don't or perhaps this is a smear campaign.
The truth will out.

Al we reall know so far is:
1)Mel ghot drubnk. ;hic:
2)Mel was engaged in an inapropriatel verbal exchange with an officer of the law, who arrested him.
3)Mel later appologied, but didn't say precisily what it was he was appologising for other that that it was "...I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable". That could mean he was anti-semetical in is remarks, or it could mean he called someone's mother a whore. Or that always popular female-dog reference that women find so offensive. Or how about the one that disparages police officers by likening them to the animal that we all get our bacon from. I think you get where I'm going with this.

But in case I was too subtle for you: :ahem: "go CENSOR'd!! a CENSOR'd!! you CENSOR'd!! CENSOR'd!! CENSOR'd!!"

Oh, wow, that was despicible. Mel didn't mean it. Mel feels ashamed.

^self censored

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The New York Times has an article on Mel's tirade. I think that settles that the incident did happen. Otherwise, why would be be apologizing?

He's not apologizing for anti-semetic remarks, though. Just for the things he said when he was arrested. He could have talked about the cop's mom for all we know.

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sb_enail.com wrote:
The New York Times has an article on Mel's tirade. I think that settles that the incident did happen. Otherwise, why would be be apologizing?

He's not apologizing for anti-semetic remarks, though. Just for the things he said when he was arrested. He could have talked about the cop's mom for all we know.

Here is another artcile bout this:
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the thing is Mel Gibson is a nice guy but he has a crushed social and home life and its sad when u here stuff like this. And noone punishes him cuz hes famous.


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Karmaism wrote:
the thing is Mel Gibson is a nice guy but he has a crushed social and home life and its sad when u here stuff like this. And noone punishes him cuz hes famous.
Unfortunately, when you're rich and famous, you can get away with a lot more things, but that doesn't mean that the media won't be all over you.

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The good news is that Mel has publicly admitted that he is an Alcoholic. Tyhat's the first step in the 12-step process. He's got the money to get the help he needs, so I hope he can manage to stay dry.
I've know a few people who've battled with that particular disease, and it looks like the go though pure hell the first few days of being "on the wagon." I hope he has a good support network around him, or he'll fall off and get back to the bottle again.
I'me completely selfish in my reasoning, thouyh: I want Mel to make another Mad Max movie. :mrgreen:

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