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==Technical help==
===How to add images===
Here's a quick rundown of how to add images:
#If you haven't already, read the [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image use policy]]. Note that the PNG format is preferred.
#Over in the toolbox on the left, click [[Special:Upload|Upload file]].
#(A) Browse to the file on your computer.<br>(B) Write a brief description in the summary area.<br>(C) Click the copyright checkbox.<br>(D) Click "Upload file".
#Place code on your page in the following format, usually at the very top of the page (although you can place it in other places):<br><code><nowiki>[[Image:IMAGE NAME|thumb and/or POSITION|SIZE|CAPTION]]</nowiki></code>

To make an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Gallery|image gallery]], use the wollowing format:
:<code><nowiki><gallery></nowiki>
:Image:image1.png|caption 1
:Image:image2.png|caption 2
:Image:image3.png|caption 3
:<nowiki></gallery></nowiki></code>
Start each picture on a new line. You can use links and full wiki markup in the captions.

Click on these links here for a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial|tutorial]] and more [[MetaWikipedia:Help:Images and other uploaded files|technical info]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax|syntax info]]. HRWiki policy allows <s>one uploaded image</s> [[HRWiki:Personal images|two large personal images]] per user with no questions asked. For an example, I placed the following code at the top of your page: <code><nowiki>[[Image:cheatgold.PNG|thumb|300px|I've got a gold tooth. Wanna see it? Tough!]]</nowiki></code><br>That's all. Have fun! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:33, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
:Thanx a bunch for telling me how to add images and adding an image and all that crap. Love your page. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
::Anytime, my friend. It's my pleasure. And thanks for your comments about my page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

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===How to revert a page===
*YO! I do like what you did to my gallery, but I'd like to revert it for the time being. I do want to change it to your suggestion in the future, though. But, um, how do you revert? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 02:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It was more complicated than normal to revert your page since you had already made changes to it. Here are some basic instructions on how to revert:

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To completely revert a page to a previous version:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#Type a comment in the summary, usually something like "reverted edit of so-and-so; changed to last version by what's her face".
#Click "Save page".</div>

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To revert a page and keep some changes at the same time:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Determine what changes have been made since the version to which you want to revert.
#Copy the affected section to the clipboard. If there is more than one section, it may be necessary to do a normal revert (see above) and then make the changes again one at a time in later edits.
#In the page history, click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#From the clipboard, paste in the new changes over the appropriate old section.
#Type a comment in the summary.
#Click "Show preview" to ensure that you pasted the new changes in correctly.
#Click "Save page".</div>

:In the section way above, I've included the syntax for the image gallery for whenever you want to go back to that. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Thanx. One more helpful thing you can either

::A. Strong Mad Bath
::B. Crisper Drawer
::C. Be Cheatachu72's homeslice
::[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I'll take (C). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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=== Where to link characters ===
I had a question. On the page for [[monster truck]], should "The Sad kids" and "The King of town" in the transcript be changed to include links to thier respective pages? FYI, the sentence that would be changed is "{The Sad Kids and the King of Town appear on screen respectively crossed out}". &mdash;[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]

:No. Characters are never linked in the transcript. Instead, they are listed at the top of the page in the order in which they appear. Also, whenever you post something on a talk page, type four tildes after it, like this: "<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>". That will automatically sign your name and put a timestamp after it. It looks like this: &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 01:08, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:09, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

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=== How to make the vertical line to appear ===
How do you make this vertical line appear? | It's used in a lot of links in the wiki, [[Strong Bad Email|like this]], but if I want to use the line, I always have to copy it from somewhere else. Can you press certain keys to make it appear? [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:11, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It should be on your keyboard. Mine's above the enter key. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:30, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...let's see: | Hey, it worked! Thank you! You're my new best friend at this wiki! [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:33, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:No probalo... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:34, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I'm glad I could bring you two closer together. I have nothing useful to say here, but since this is my talk page, I feel compelled to comment. The character The Chort is speaking of is called the [[Wikipedia:vertical bar|vertical bar]], or pipe. It is used in wiki markup to create [[Wikipedia:Piped_link|piped links]], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table tables], and other things. As Amanda (H*C) said, the key is usually located at the extreme right of the keyboard, just above the Enter (return) key, grouped with the [[Wikipedia:backslash|backslash]]. On some keyboard configurations, the key is on the top row, just to the left of the Backspace (in this case the Enter key is about double its customary size and the Backspace is about half its normal size). To type a vertical bar, you must hold the Shift key. Well, I hope you enjoyed my short essay. I now return you to the wiki. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:46, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

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=== Blockquote ===

How do you make that "blockquote" (i'm not sure what it is called but thats what it said in editing) where it shows what Strong Bad wrote on his computer on the transcripts? Is there a way to do it in HTML or just plain text? I'm just curious, because I think it will be so cool if I write my internet blogs like that.

Thanks again and again. You are the one user that I always go to for help! THANKS!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 19:22, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry for the delay in responding. I might suggest that you would get a faster reply by posting questions to the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]]. Anyway, it's possible to recreate the blockquote style outside the wiki, but you need to know some CSS and where to find it. First of all, the HTML (<nowiki><blockquote> ...blah blah <br/> ... </blockquote></nowiki>) is the same as the code you get when you press "edit", so you could just copy one of those to practice. What you need then is the various definitions for "email" found in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] (and possibly other CSS files... check the source code of a wiki page to see what they are). Also, you would need the image of Strong Bad's face copied and saved to your server. It sounds kinda coplicated, but I hope this helps. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:55, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

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===Super-plain link===

Is there any way to link something, but keep it just a regular black color, without underlining or anything? perhaps some kind of color tags or a 'no underline' tag before and after? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:42, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Sure. One of the words in this sentence [[Blue Laser Minion|<span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">is</span>]] a link to a page. If you wanted to be really sneaky, I think you could even force it not to show the "hand pointing" cursor that is usually displayed when you're over a link. Out of curiosity, what makes you ask? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Hmmm... The link is still underlined. And It's not that I want it sneaky, I still want the hand to pop up. I just want uniformity. Is there any way to get rid of the underline? Then I'll let you know why. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:04, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::I will have to do more research. I don't know why the text-decoration property isn't being correctly displayed by your browser. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

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===Edit comments===
How does one make editing comments? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 21:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Click "edit" at the right over there &rarr; . Then look just below the editing window. See where it says "Summary"? Type something in that box. That's how you leave an edit comment. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

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=== IRC channel ===

How ... do you join it? This little experience has made me like this wiki, more, and now I want to join the chat channel. HOW?!?! {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:There are several ways, but the easiest way is to go to [http://chat.hrwiki.org chat.hrwiki.org] and follow the instructions there. See also [[HRWiki:IRC channel]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

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=== Help creating welcome template? ===
I'm kinda embarrassing, since this is the sort of thing that seems like it ought to be easy to find an answer to&mdash;but it hasn't been. I want to start welcoming folks formally, and thought it would be nice to make an adapted welcome message of my own. I know doing this would involve creating a subpage in my userspace&mdash;but I have no idea how to go about that. Thanks! &mdash;[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 05:32, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Oooo! May I? (answer this one?)  Making templates and new pages is really easy.  So I hope I can explain well.  First things first, new pages.  All you need to do to create a page is to go to it and start editing it. Make sure you save the page, so it actually writes something down to create the page!  Suppose you wanted to create a page called "strombalos" under your user space, then you'd go to [[User:notstrongorbad/strombalos]] (notice how it's in red now -- if you click on it now it'll take you straight to the edit page), and start adding information. It's that simple! You can even (from your user page) type the new URL yourself and start it that way.  As for templates:  all you need to do for the basic form is to put regular wiki code.  There is more on templates that you can learn [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template here], cuz they have neat stuff like variables and the like.  There is more general help [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section here].  Now for your specific case, you want to make a welcome page for our guests.  I won't go into detail here, but you must use the template format in a special way.  Suppose you had a template [[User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template]] in that page. Then you inject the code: <code><nowiki>{{subst:User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template}}</nowiki></code> into the victims', er, guests page and hit submit.  It will inject the code and replace the contents of the template in his page. To practice, you can always use the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]].  Good luck! I hope this helps. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:57, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::And that's what I needed to know! DONK! Many thanks. &mdash;[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 08:12, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

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=== E-mail this User ===

Hey, It's dot com. Just wondering what's up with the E-mail this User feature. Whenever you press the link, it says that you need to log in or enter a valid email address in your preferences. Any ideas what's wrong? &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:Have you entered a valid email address in your preferences?  Have you confirmed it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:[Edit Conflict] You need to validate your email address using the link in your prefs. Also, if the person you're trying to email hasn't enabled the feature, you won't be able to send one. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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=== Sig ===
Hey do you know how to get thoese awsom Signatures that people have -- Billy Bob Bob

:see the help section under Sig. that's where I learned.  followed steps and you'll be all set {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, start by typing four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). That should do you for now. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

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=== New Page ===

Hey do you know how to make a new article?  I wan't to make one.

:You just have to insert the name of the page into two bracets like this:<nowiki>[[</nowiki>pagename<nowiki>]]</nowiki> Then, hit showpreview and the link should appear red.  Click on it and edit away.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

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=== Thermometer ===

Hey, do you know how to get one of those mood thermometer things for a user page? Because I want one. Well, bye. Please get back to me on this on my user page. -- [[user:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 01:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, here's the code:
:<tt><nowiki>[[Image:</nowiki>Wikistress3D '''<span style="color:red">1</span>''' v3.jpg|thumb|right|'''<span style="color:red">150px</span>'''|'''<span style="color:red">My current stress level: not stressed</span>''']]</tt>
:Don't change anything except what's in red. See the red number 1 there? That controls the stress level. It can be 1, 2, 3, or 4. The 150px controls the size of the image, which you can adjust. Last, you can make the caption anything you want. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

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=== Help me, It's dot com, you're my only hope ===

Hey Dot com, I recentley made a [[Homestar Runner]] cursor that I was going to use on my talk page, but I dont know where to upload it!  Please help! {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know whether we can upload custom cursors. And if we can, I don't know where. But I'm not your only hope. ''(Note: Dot com changed the section title to what it is now because he thinks Star Wars is cool. DBK did not originally say that Dot com was his only hope.)'' Try asking at [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::You read my mind with the Star Wars reference, I just didnt want to sound like a complete dork :-p {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC) P.S You might want to consider archiving your page, it takes forever to preview.
:::Archiving?!? No way, Lucy! Only big wusses and lesser wimps archive their pages. Besides, mine's not even as bad as [[User talk:Tom|some talk pages]] out there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Ha ha I guess you right, oh and I found a [http://www.fileupyours.com/ website] to host my cursor. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I need help again! Ahh Im so confused.  I have the cursor [http://www.fileupyours.com/files/7565/homestarrunner%20cursor.ani here] but I dont know how to put it on my user page.  The FAQ isnt helping either.  Sorry to be bothering you. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm still not sure that it's even possible to use that here. At least not and have everyone see it. But you need to post your question on the FAQ talk page so others will notice it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::You could try talking to [[User:The Paper|Teh Pape]]. He's got a special cursor on his Talk page, and I don't know how he did it. I don't know if you're able to do it with custom cursers though, or if he's got one of a few options or something. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I knew there were other users that had done this... yeah I checked out his source and he has the following code: <code><nowiki><div style="cursor:pointer;"></nowiki></code> ''Insert your regular wiki code here'' <code><nowiki></div></nowiki></code>.  I know someone else has a crosshair in their page.  I don't think you can upload your own, these are standard cursors as far as I know.  It's possible that maybe the <code>cursor:</code> option may allow a url for an image but you'll have to do some research on that. <div style="cursor:pointer;">'''If you hover over this bold text you'll see it in action'''</div>--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::::We should take this convo on to FAQ, not Dot coms talk page.  There's already a convorsation started there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 23:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::And for those keeping score at home, that conversation can be found [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#Ive_got_this_cursor....|here]]. :) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

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===Block user===
How do you block someone? {{User:The thing/sig}} 00:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
:List them on [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]], and a sysop will handle it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

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=== Lost password ===

Major crisas!  I forgot my password for the fanstuff wiki is theire any hope of finding it?  Your a syops please help me!  If it'll help my user name is General Grape-Nuts! {{User:NOT Billy Bob Bob/sig}} 20:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:See the little button on the bottom of the login page that says "Email new password"? That'll reset your password and send the new one to your email address. You should then be able to log in and change your password to something more memorable. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

==Software glitches==
=== A telegramophonic thank you! ===

Salutations, Sir Dot Com! '''Stop''' Thank you for reccomending the user name change! '''Stop''' However, it appears that I always have new electronic messages even though none are present in the actual talk area. '''Stop''' Can you perhaps suggest a remedy? '''Stop''' Thanks again! '''Stop''' [[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]

:I've heard of several people having this problem. I assume you've tried simply refreshing the page? And visiting your talk page ''by'' clicking the "new messages" link? If so, I'm guessing the next thing you'd hear from a lot of people is "clear your cache" (seems to be a popular cure-all). You could, of course, make an edit to the page yourself, which should clear it up. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

::AbdiViklas is usually right, but he's wrong in this case. I posted this on your talk page, but I'll put it here for anyone who's just passing by. When we upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5, it introduced a bug in the way the system handles the new messages indicator. Currently, the only way to get the message to go away is to click "unwatch" at the top of your page. This is necessary even if you yourself are the one who edits the page. We have done what we can to make sure the people who design the software are aware of the problem and we hope they will give us a patch to fix it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

:::A solution was found for this problem, and I applied it to our source code; the problem is now fixed. (See next section.) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

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=== Tape-Leg Huh? ===

What's going on with [[User Talk:Tape-Leg]] and [[User Talk:Tape-Leg 2]]? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:33, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hahaha! Let me take a guess at it: you applied the [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 3805] patch and are testing it... am I close? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::You, sir, are exactly right. And it works! I'm debating whether to go around to all the threads and put "this has been fixed" in them. Maybe people will just notice. Once we isolated the cause, I knew the solution would be a simple one; I just needed someone more familiar with the software to point out where exactly to make the tweak. w00t! &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Yup yup! That's awesome! That's one down, one to go! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:35, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

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=== IRC Error ===

Hey, It's dot com. Sorry to bug ya, but I suddenly have an error with IRC. While I was talking earlier, I accidentally hit some key(s) that opened my email inbox in the same screen. I hit back to get back to the chat, which wouldn't work. So I went back to the HRWiki page with the links to sign back in, and it kept erroring, not signing me in and saying that my name was already in use. The exact words of the error is:
<blockquote>Connecting... <br>
Logging in... <br>
-- *** Looking up your hostname... <br>
-- *** Found your hostname, welcome back <br>
-- *** Checking ident <br>
-- *** No identd (auth) response <br>
DorianGray Nickname is already in use. <br>
DorianGray Nickname is already in use. <br>
Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection Timed Out) <br>
Disconnected from irc.freenode.net <br> </blockquote>
If you can log me out or something, I'd be much appreciative. I even signed off the internet, but that didn't fix it. Nor did trying to sign on to the fanstuff chat. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Sometimes you leave the room but the program thinks you didn't.  Eventually the situation rectifies itself, and at this point in time it has.  I think if you try again now it will work. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::If you're registered with nickserv, you can always log in with a different nickname and then user "/msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>" (I think that's the format, you can type "/msg nickserv help GHOST" for help).  It'll kill your phantom account and then you can change your nickname with the /nick command (i.e. /nick DorianGray|all_fixed). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I dun even know what nickserv is, so there you go. And it's not yet corrected itself... Still coming with the same error. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow afternoon, when I wake up. Nice to know it's nothing really major, though, right? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::Nickserv is a service that allows you to control your own nickname (and not let anyone else use it).  Once you are able to log in, just type "/msg nickserv register <password>" (and make up a password of course) and it will register your nickname. Every time you log in just type "/msg nickserv identify <password>" and it will know it's you.  Chat clients are good for this cuz they allow you to enter the password so that it can automatically identify you.  Anyway once identified you can do all sorts of cool things with your nickname.  As of right now, yeah your nickname's still logged in and hasn't timed out.  Tommorrow it should, but you can always use a different name until tommorrow. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::'Kay. Just thought I'd tell people that it's all fixed now. Thanks for all the help. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

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=== My Watchlist ===

Hi Dot com, I'm just curious: I just noticed that for some reason I cannot add my talk page to my watch list? (Although my User page ''is'' on my watch list.) I'm curious to know, why is that? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's part of [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 this bug], which is the "new messages" bug. If you want, you should log in there and vote for that bug, so that they will give it priority to be fixed. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:24, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::Done! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Did I [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 miss] something? How does a bug go from "unresolved" to "it simply vanished"? or even "works for me" status?  I was a little confused when I first read it, I still am, unless the person was referring to MediaWiki's [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5#1.5.3 1.5.3] release. Unfortunately I couldn't find a detailed changelog without having to download the distro. I'll have to look at it later.  Anyway I just wanted to let you know the change in status and ask about it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Aye, Tom took care of it. Thanks [[User:Tom|Tom]]! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, so after a ''second'' viewing under the tutelage of Pom Pom's keen eyes, it appears that the 3805 bug (which has now been fixed) is not related to the behavior of the watchlist at all. It seems that users now have no control over whether their talk page is on their watchlist or not. If someone sends you a message, your talk page is automatically watched. When you check it, it is automatically unwatched. I have no information on whether this is a separate bug or an intentional new feature. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:It appears that this is intentional after all. Everything I've found in the source code indicates that they meant to make it the way it is. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

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=== Diff Problems ===

Is it just me or is the media wiki edit conflict fix thingy, actually [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=portrait&diff=211068&oldid=211067 being] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=portrait&diff=next&oldid=211051 buggy]? Seems to me like certain things got overwritten during the frenzy.  And I don't think our editors would've simply ignored edit conflict warnings and would have just haphazardly overwritten stuff. I ''[[User_talk:Stux#Bug_hut|did]]'' find a problem when editing the same page myself with two windows at once, but I thought it was just a problem when the same user did the edit.  I fear I may be wrong. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:I'd reason a guess that it's just users not being careful when they get an edit conflict warning.  But you might want to direct your questions at the users invloved as to whether they actually got warnings or the edits just went through.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Although, Joshua made consecutive edits at one point, and stuff was lost between the two versions. Strange... &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I have [[User_talk:Joshua#A_bug_hunting_I_will_go...|posted]] my question to Joshua to see his take on this. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Hi guys. I just got a response back from Joshua, and it indeed seems that something is amiss:
::::<blockquote>
::::I don't recall making those changes, and I never got an edit conflict on "portrait". - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::</blockquote>
::::So... strange, huh? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:19, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I was going through bugzilla and i think that [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150 this] bug may be the one we're looking at or related. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::I was reading the bug report and came to [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150#c28 comment #28] (previously all other bug comments focused on the problem centering around the same user doing the changes with two windows), and i think this paragraph describes what may have happened here, (however I'd probably like to ask Joshua again if he did anything like this, which I doubt, so I still think we have new behavior to report to this bug):
:::::<blockquote>In other words, when I am editting, all my edits are made in reference to the version I opened for editting (call it version 1). Then while I am editting someone else makes some changes and saves as version 2. Now when I save the first time, it notices that someone else has made an edit and tries to merge them. If this succeeds, then we arrive at version 3A. Now, being dumb, I notice that I misspelled "celebration", so I hit the back button, quickly fix it and save again. This time the software notices version 3A, sees that I also made that edit and consequently, it cancels all edit conflicts. Since I used the back button, my edit is still based on version 1. So this time when it saves, the conflict with version 2 is ignored. Hence, whatever changes which were made in that version are dropped from the new version 3B.</blockquote>
:::::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Believe it or not, that explanation makes sense. I don't know whether it's right or how to fix it from a technical standpoint, but the lesson here is: never click "back" to move through the software when editing. Always click "edit" anew. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::It wouldn't be hard to have two people test this while on IRC.  I'd be interested in seeing the results.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:It%27s_dot_com/Bug_1150_test&action=history Confirmed] and [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1150#c32 reported].  Good work Stux.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Thanks! I also wanted to let you know I asked Joshua again about the steps he took in editing and this is the response i got:
:::::::::<blockquote>Hey! I wanted to ask you... yesterday when you were doing your edits, do you recall if at any moment you hit the back button to go back and fix edits? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Umm... I'm not sure. I might have, but I usually don't. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:54, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::</blockquote>
:::::::::I hope this gets the ball rolling on the fixes. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== <nowiki><br></nowiki> format ==

I was just wondering why you changed the <tt>&lt;br clear="all" /></tt> to <tt>&lt;br style="clear:both" /></tt> on [[Template:Strong Bad Email]].  Both are standards compliant ([http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTemplate%3AStrong_Bad_Email%26oldid%3D128594], [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Template%3AStrong_Bad_Email]) so I was just wondering what made you make the switch.  It's not a problem or anything, I'm just curious.  Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:36, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Well, earlier this week I read [http://forums.devshed.com/t204843/s.html this]: "IE generally does not seem to appreciate using br as a clearing agent. Too, the clear attribute is deprecated in html4 in favor of the style property." Since I figured we also preferred styles, I changed it when I noticed it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:55, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Offline==
Hey It's dot com!  I was wondering what you did with the 2005 updates page?  Was it a ploy to annoy the troll? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:08, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hey Rogue. That troll is not a person; rather, it is some kind of bot that searches for the different sections on the page and adds links under each one. My reasoning was that if I removed all the sections, it would have nothing to do, and would quit. In the meantime, I put up a notice so that any regular user who was looking at the page would be aware of what was going on. I don't know whether my actions actually did anything, or whether it was just coincidence that the attack stopped (almost) at that point. Only further research will tell. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Another positive consequence: it may help the bot move on to less-visible pages. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:32, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::It just happened again, and this time I think blanking the page actually did some good. The bot made one more attempt after I blanked it, but then it moved on. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:27, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==The system is down, yo==
Hey Dot com, you probably already know this/don't care, but earlier today the wiki wasent working at all. I'm no computer expert, but I ''do'' know that something was wrong with the wiki. Because all the pages on the wiki would refuse to load, but other sites loaded just fine. I was just wondering if this had anything to do with this site. Sorry for your time, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I hear someone tried to cram-a-lam a Swiss Cake Roll into the disk drive. See [[Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened?]] for more information. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, my bad. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:::No probalo. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== source code ==

First off, are you sick or somthing (I ask because of the whole Strong Sad picture)? Can you or someone else let the code be seen for [[Special:Statistics]].  I'd like to maybe use one of the {{ }} type item for my user page.  Also is there any place that lists all of the things like this and what each one displays.  Is there one the will return the number of edits that I have made? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:Well, here is the code:

<pre>There are '''$1''' total pages in the database.
This includes "talk" pages, pages about {{SITENAME}}, minimal "stub"
pages, redirects, and others that probably don't qualify as content pages.
Excluding those, there are '''$2''' pages that are probably legitimate
content pages.

There have been a total of '''$3''' page views, and '''$4''' page edits
since the wiki was set up.
That comes to '''$5''' average edits per page, and '''$6''' views per edit.</pre>

:As you can see, it uses PHP variables instead of MediaWiki variables (except for <nowiki>{{sitename}}</nowiki>), so it wouldn't work on your page without editing the source code for the project. But there are ways to do interesting things with your page. A lot of Wikipedia users have developed custom tools like this. Unfortunately, I don't know where to tell you to look for them or even whether they would work on our wiki. I seem to recall Lapper experimenting with something like this, but for one reason or another he couldn't get it to work. Sorry I wasn't much help here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::And, no, I'm not sick. That's for a friend. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I took out the <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> syntax and did show preview to see what it would look like, and nothing happened.  Does it only work on that one page that i mentioned above? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Right. Those variables are filled in by the code that generates that particular page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::The MediaWiki code is [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/ freely available].  If you want the code behind [[Special:Statistics]], it's [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/SpecialStatistics.php?rev=1.28&view=auto there].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== Blanked out ==

What did you tried to do with this template? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

:I was looking for a way to insert a space automatically in front of a sig. A almost got it to work, but nothing was simpler than just pressing the space bar before the tildes. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:28, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
::What about inserting the space in the sig preference, of the sig subpage? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:38, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Already tried that. The system trims spaces from the beginning and end. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:04, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
::::What about ''<code>nbspc</code>'' or whatever that code is? Would that work or does it also mess things up? or even have {{quote|<code>nbspc[SPACE]<sig></code>}}? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> would work, but I'm looking for a way to insert a literal space&mdash;without any extra code. I tried making a template that was a completely blank page and then using the "subst" command, and it kind of worked, but it actually put <nowiki>"{{subst:blank}}"</nowiki> onto the page with the first edit, and it wasn't until the page was edited ''again'' that it disappeared. And that's more trouble than just pressing the space bar. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Ahh! I see! I think I get it.  Why then not put the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> inside your sig itself, instead of the sig nickname field thingy? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Well, I'm sure he could, but then until the cache of every page his sig is on was cleared, his sig would have two spaces in front of it. It happened to mine, but with an em dash. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:37, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Oh True! Good point! Oh well. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Besides, I don't use a sig template. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

== The weirdest thing ==

I don't know what I was thinking to myself when I decided to add ''another'' section to your talk page, but here is something weird: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:The_Chort&oldid=222295 Link]. Hide the TOC. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC) (P.S.: Happy holidays!)
:''Weeeeeird.'' Later I'm gonna figure out what's causing that bug (if it is indeed a bug) and see if I can't use it somehow. Thanks, Elad. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:47, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
::You're weclome! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

:::<tt>id='toc'</tt> is being used twice.  An "id" is a unique identifier. Each time this attribute is used in a document it must have a different value.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:25, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I think I found a sneaky use for it in my user page. :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== Book sources ==

Whats the [[Special:Booksources|Book sources]] thing?? {{User:The thing/sig}} 17:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:Why don't you ask on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)