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== Just a heads up ==
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Just so you know, the PlayStation ('95) came out a year before the Nintendo 64 ('96), not the other way around, and CERTAINLY not a four-year headstart. You sure you didn't mix it up with the SNES ('91)? Babbage's doesn't stock those anymore, either (much to my chagrin). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 00:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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==Sig==
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Hey Invisible Robot Fish. I moved your signature template to the correct location. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:It's me again. I removed some parentheses in the links that were also causing problems. Did you copy those from somewhere? If so, we need to edit that article to make it less ambiguous. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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::I'm in the process of editing my sig, I'm not sure what your refering about the parentheses.  Is that on a diff page?  I am editing things in my sig and playing around with it for the first time. --22:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::I'm talking about <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig&diff=178346&oldid=178345 this edit]</span>, where I took out the parentheses that were causing the links not to work. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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::::Thank you.  I think I am getting the hang of it now. --{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::I think it's looking ''good''. Although, it is just a little bit long. Perhaps without the leading image? Just a thought. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::How bout now?{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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::::::Still a bit too big, and the image is to tall, it takes up more than one line of text.  Maybe shorten "contributions" or something? {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 23:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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::::::Ok now I am set.  comments anyone?{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::I thought the Pac-Man was cool. If you just reduced it a little. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::I'm at work so I don't have the software with me to make a smaller pic{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
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== STUFF revisions ==
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Hey Invisible Robot Fish again. You can only vote to accept ''one'' of the revisions on [[Template:STUFF/Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy#Good_Ol.27_Uncle_Sam|this fact]]. You need to decide which one you like best. Thanks. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
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:Thanks, learning as I go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
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By the by, the tide has turned on [[Template:STUFF/bedtime story#The Holey Grill|this one]], if you want to give it another look-see. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
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::Thanks for the heads up, want my vote to count {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Interesting ==
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Hey Invisible Robot Fish again again. I like Christian rock music too; the old-school Muppets are awesome; aviation is fascinating; and my dream job would be to be an MLB umpire. For reals. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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::You know some of the bands I like.  I fly a Cecsna Skylane 182 RG.  Although I want to get eventually get instrument rated and multi-engine so that I can get a Piper Saratoga.  I also want to get Raytheon King Air in the next 10 years.
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::I officiate at high school Varsity and now Collegiate Level.  I am aspiring to be a D1 college umpire.  I had dreams of being a major league ump once, but that was short lived as I wasn't willing to pay the price of being in the minor for who knows how long just to maybe make it.  Its a narrow door to get through. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Show Preview ==
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I noticed you've been playing with your userpage to figure out how all of the markup code works here.  It's certianly the right place to do it, and you are more than welcome to, but I have one request.  Right below the edit box is a botton called ''Show Preview''.  You can click on it to show what the page will look like when you do save the changes, but it won't create an entry in [[Special:Recent Changes|Recent changes]], which can get flooded rather quickly if you save every edit without a preview.  It just makes things a lot easier for everybody.  Thanks, {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 12:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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:Will do.  The page was loading differently in the ''Show Preview'', but I'll use that more. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Do you hate me? ==
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Invisible Robot Fish, many of your edit summaries concerning my edits are a ''real'' kick in butt. What's the deal? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 02:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
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:One thing I have realized while being here is that there are a few trump cards in this wiki.  It's Dot Com, JoeyDay, and Tom are a few.  There was a series of times within a 10 minute period where you continually reverted edit that had already been fixed.  I can't say that I have never done that.  But as noted on your talk page, this wasn't the first time that you had been told not engage in a reverting war.  I am one of many people that patroll recent changes, and it seemed that all I was doing for 20 minutes was changing things back that you had done (most of which, were corrected by Its Dot Com).  If memory serves me correct, you were deleting whole sections and images that didn't need to be deleted (except one, I will grant that one of your deletions was in fact a good one).  So yes, at that time, I was frustrated and wanted you to stop changing pages that were just fine.  Wiki pages undergo intense scrutiny to I think a laughable level.  So if you see a fun fact from a toon that aired 2 months ago, chances are, its a good one.  Grammar and spelling changes are always welcome, but give more thought before you delete whole fun facts that have been there for months.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
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== The Cheat's knife ==
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That's not a fun fact candidate, so it doesn't belong on the STUFF page. I started a discussion [[Talk:bedtime_story#The_Cheat.27s_knife|here]] for you about the knife. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
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:Noted, I didn't know where else to put that. Thank you.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
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== Images ==
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Hi, Invisible Robot Fish. Just so you know, you can only have one personal image on your userpage. You have at least 4 by now: [[:Image:Veggiepirates.jpeg]], [[:Image:Muppets.jpeg]], [[:Image:Ump.jpeg]], and [[:Image:Skylane.jpeg]]. You're going to have to choose one, and mark the others for deletion. Thanks. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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:grumble grumble. Gimme a minute to think. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
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::"We are the Pirates Who Don't Do Anything. We just stay home and lie around! And if you ask us to do anything, we'll just tell you: 'We don't do anything.'" I really like your pictures, and I really hope that ump was about to toss the Twins' manager. It's too bad that we can all each only have one on our [[HRWiki:User page|pages]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::No he didn't get tossed, I was looking for an ejection pic but I couldn't find a good one.{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
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::::I see you've chosen the VeggieTales pic. I'll take care of the others for you. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::::I was looking on the help pages and couldn't find instructions to delete an image.  Where is that help info located? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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::::::It's just like any other page. Just go to the edit tab and add <nowiki>{{delete|personal image}}</nowiki> to the unwanted images. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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== Question ==
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Hey there you seem like a experiaentes user so can you give me step by step instructions on how to get thouse cool signatures? PLEASE!
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:Everything I learned, I got from the Help section on your right hand side.  Follow the instructions under 'signature' **tip** when practicing, use your userpage and the show preview button. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
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==History==
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Hello IRF. I was reading your userpage, and I noticed that you have apparently been around H*R for quite some time, perhaps one of the longest on the whole Wiki. Which got me thinking. Just how long have you been around, and how much do you remember about the pre-2002 era of H*R.com (the point where Live Journals runs dry as source info for [[H*R.com updates 2001]]). I look forward to hearing from you. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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:I can't remember when I discovered the wiki.  I was a big Homestar fan starting about the end of high school, to my freshman year in college which was 1999 or 2000 (wow that was 3 computers ago!).  I don't remember when I discovered the wiki but I know that I kicked around here for a LONG time before I actually got a username and starting contributing.  As to what was on the site at that time, your asking me to invade memories that have long been washing away by many long nights at O'Sullivan's Wharf (Sully's we called it) in Norfolk, VA.  I really don't remember.  I do remember when 'Search for the Yello Dello' came out.  Can you imagine a H*R world in which we didn't yet know that Coach Z couldn't say the word job?!?!
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:{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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::Wow.. And I thought that the fact the I remember [[japanese cartoon]] comming out makes ''me'' an old fan. Way to go! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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:::That's impressive. I only jumped on the bandwagon about the time [[labor day]] came out ([[suntan]] was the very first thing I saw, even before the main page or anything. My cousin sent me a link while chatting on MSN with me). Although I'm not sure if it was quite 1999 when you first found it, H*R.com started January 1st 2000. I guess you probably found it mid to end 2000. You remember before there were [[Strong Bad Emails]] I assume. I am curious though, do you remember how you first found it? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::Hmmm, there were definately a few emails, so perhaps my timeline is off, but I went to college in 2000 and it was a friend of mine that showed me it.  H*R was a cult thing (in a good way) on our hall (which was really cool since no one else knew about it yet).  We'd cruise the site, d/l from napster (still legal then) and then play either ''Motorcross'' through the LAN or ''You don't know jack''.  Ah college was certainly worth the 100 Grand I blew on it.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::Hmmm... Quite a quandry then. Sounds like it must have been sometime in 2002 then, since the begining of [[H*R.com updates 2002|2002]] had a total of 8 [[Strong Bad Email]]s. That was right around when the site started regular, without fail, weekly updates, it seems. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::::The emails were not regular yet. In 2002 I was a junior **cough cough <small> 2nd sophamore year</small> cough cough** so I know it was way before that. When did Yellow Dello come out? Because it was around then.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::The original, or the DVD? The DVD was possible [[Talk:H*R.com updates 2001#C. March 31st, 2001|Circa March 31st, 2001]]. See [http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?12243 here] for why we think this to possibly be the case. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::::::I remember knowing about H*R (not being really a fan then) before I graduated college (pre-2002).  And I remember watching [[guitar]] sometime around then (before or after? not sure, I might have really old logs I can check).  But for a while, I kept thinking I knew about SBE's a while before I graduated.  Of course the timelines don't match "mine" so I dunno. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::::Did many people even know about DVD's in 2001?  I'm thinking it was the original purely because I do also remember seeing the DVD version for the first time and thinking that having all the commentary and such was a novel idea.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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== My Cousin Vinny ==
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Just curious whether you mean that good, bad, or indifferent, and whether it applies to everybody in general or someone in particular. ;) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Genreal, humurous, non-jaded comment, directed usually at new or non-logged in people.  Just a general comment that sometimes something completely fine and correct will be posted, as someone will come along and ''rv'' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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::The reason I ask is that there's this anonny who keeps making lots of changes to several pages. Some of his edits are good, and some are not. Occasionally we'll go through all his changes and keep the ones that should stay and revert the ones that shouldn't, but lately it has been so much trouble that often the whole page gets reverted. That's not a very elegant solution, but he has ignored repeated attempts at communication by several users via his talk page. We have asked him either to stop what he's doing or, at the very least, explain himself, but we are met with silence. *sigh* &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::Is it a certain annonymous person that also started a topic a few sections above about this?  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
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== PNGs ==
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Actually, why are you uploading GIFs? Our [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image policy]] states that PNGs should be used if at all possible. The GIF format doesn't even support 24-bit color. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Unless you are at computer that has Macromedia Fireworks (a $500 program) or another program that makes PNG's this it is not possible to get a PNG.  So you must ask yourself this question: Which is better, to have less content and edits from someone that cannot make a PNG file, or to put up a GIF for now, and have someone replace it later?  BTW I am aware of the image policy.{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::What platform are you on? I know that even the most basic programs on both Windows (Paint) and Mac (Preview) support the PNG format. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::Sweet mother of mystery! I didn't know ''Paint'' had PNG. My apologies.  I just always thought of ''Paint'' as a dumb program that did BMPs.  Plus TBC constatntly rag on it so I never bothered to use it.  My other computer has Macromedia Studio and that is what I am used to but I never go to the wiki from that comp.  From now on, I'll use PNG.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::Cool. :) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
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:::::FYI: From those of us poor enough to have to use Open Source... I do my PNG's using [http://www.gimp.org/ The GIMP] Photoshop clone.  It has pretty much all the features at (1/&infin;) times the price :).  Some little things here and there are not as easy to do and take a little getting used to, but you certainly can't beat the price! ''(P.S. I know 1/&infin; is undefined, but if you take the lim<sub>n &rarr; &infin;</sub>(1/n) then we have the desired number ;) )'' --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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Hey do you have the original BMP for [[:Image:Stromg_mad_rd.gif|this]] picture?  I was about to convert the GIF to PNG but it might be better to take the original BMP and convert that to PNG. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Already done {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Pre-Calc 101 ==
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(I Split up the conversation as the subject changed){{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
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actually I thought the lim<sub>n &rarr; &infin;</sub>(1/n)=0<br>
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:if my calculous memories are correct lim<sub>n &rarr; 0;</sub>(1/n) would be undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::Dude that's awesome! Another fellow math geek! And thanks for the pretty math text :) As for to answer your comments: ''I thought the lim<sub>n &rarr; &infin;</sub>(1/n)=0<br>'' it is!  That's how much the software costs: $0! And I thought about ''lim<sub>n &rarr; 0;</sub>(1/n) would be undefined''... actually 1/0 is undefined, but here, the lim<sub>n &rarr; 0;</sub>(1/n)=&infin;, if my memory serves me right.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::I always use practical examples:
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::::lim<sub>n &rarr; &infin;</sub>(1/n) = 0
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:::::1/999999 = .000001  or 0
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::::::lim<sub>n &rarr; 0</sub>(1/n) = undefined
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:::::because 1/0 deviding by zero is undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::[[Image:1overn.PNG]] <br>
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:::::::<sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; 0</sub>+ (1/n) = +&infin;
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:::::::<sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; 0</sub>- (1/n) = -&infin;
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:::::::<sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; 0</sub> (1/n) = undefined  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::::::As the graph there shows, as ''n'' approaches 0 (from a positive direction), 1/''n'' gets closer to (positive) infinity. The limit, therefore, is infinity. The [[Wikipedia:Division_by_zero#Limits_and_division_by_zero|Wikipedia article]] states that the expression 1/0 is still technically undefined, because infinity is not a real number, but the ''limit'' is defined. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::::Or is that what you were saying? I'm not sure what that third line under the graph is. Is it that if you don't specify a direction then you can't tell whether it should be positive or negative, and therefore undefined? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
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::::::::::Cool, group participation.  Exactly, the notation above states is that as you approach zero from the right or 0<sup>+</sup>the limit is +&infin; but when you approach 0 from from the left or  0<sup>-</sup> the limit is -&infin;. Since you can't discuss both limits at the same time in a meaningful way, when you siimply state <sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; 0</sub> (1/n) there is no answer, or undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Hmmmm. I should've known better than that (I did actually study the stuff you know).  I have the urge to go back and fix the mistake and pretended it never happened, but Alas... It would make even less sense if I do.  So yes, I should've written <sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; 0</sub>+ (1/n) = +&infin;.  0+ more specifically means approaching from the positive to that number, and 0- approaching from the negative to that number (we can generalize it to any number).  In fact... and this one *should* be correct... <sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; a</sub> f(n) exists if and only if <sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; a</sub>+ f(n) = <sup>lim</sup><sub>n &rarr; a</sub>- f(n) (and of course they both exist).  This is exactly what you showed above in the graph.  It is a very obvious definition, but it is defined nonetheless. Somewhere; not sure where.  The [[Wikipedia:Limit_%28mathematics%29#Formal_definition|formal definition]] of the limit says something totally different from what I just mentioned and is actually a different beast using epsilon-delta notation which takes a while to understand. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
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== About "Black Mountain" ==
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About the Monte Verde revert you just did. I don't think the Monte Verde is a valid reference since there ARE things named Monte Negro. If such things didn't exist I wouldn't have deleted it. (And yes, I knew negro and verde meant "black" and "green" in Spanish--[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
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:I don't care all that much about that one.  I thought that most of those fact were not great. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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==Flag Intro Link==
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I hope I don't come off sounding rude but, about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Flag_Intro&oldid=192953 this edit] and its ensuing revert war: That edit is actually better. Just to let you know, the link you kept reverting to is 404'D. The anony was fixing it to a valid link on a mirror that happens to NOT be unknown. I'll remove him/her from the WikiTroll list for you. Keep up the good work, but next time, don't be quick to revert. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Um, it's ''not'' 404'd. It works just fine. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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Lemme check again {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
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:wasn't 404'd for me, but point taken. I've had a bad day and made some quick decisions, so no more editing for me today {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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[http://www.homestarrunner.com/flagintro.swf This file]? I'm STILL getting 404'd there. Cleared the cache and everything.
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:When I click on the that link there, I see Old Glory waving and Homestar running, and I hear "Everybody, everybody"... I was going to suggest a hard refresh, but it looks like you've already done that. Strange. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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::I got to see it too! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::It's always shown up for me too, which is why I've reset it a couple times. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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::::However, it is still strange that so many people are encountering 404's. (As it stands I can't think of a rational explanation for it.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::The top of [[Secret Pages]] says that sometimes they don't work, but it doesn't say why. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::::404'd for me too... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::::FYI before I forget, I added the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Flag_Intro&diff=193115&oldid=193058 second link] as a temporary solution and compromise to the problem. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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Whew, we got it all straightened out. I'm glad. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 00:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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:I'm glad too {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Wow! ==
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You made [[What are you supposed to be?]] Cool! That is my favorite obscure page ever. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
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:Thank you very much *wipes tear* but when I saw the Wow title, I though this was going to have something to do with Willy on Wheels (WoW){{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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::Same. It freaks me out whenever I see it. Hence my rushing over here to find nothing but a congradulatory message. Good job, IRF. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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== cleanup ==
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You might want to delete [[:Image:Mylook.gif|this]] too... that is unless you still need it, which is why I didn't mark it myself. (And to respond to your thank you note... you are welcome! It was my pleasure! Though I can prolly make them borders look a little better.)--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Go for it {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
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== 11/10/05 !?! ==
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Can a sysop fill me in on what in the world happened on Thursday.  It seemed that the whole server is down and now annonymous editing and new registration is gone.  What happened? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Frankly, IRF, we were hit by the same troll we recently had in bot form. He created several hundreds of usernames, [[HRWiki:NSMC vandal]], and took quite a bit of time to recover from. New user registration and annonymous editing are both disabled to cease further troll activity for the moment. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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::I've got a couple of questions and if they already been address, then please provide the link, but
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:::*did the bot cause the server shutdown, or was the shutdown to stop the bot?
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:::*was there any data lost or were we able to completely recover?
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:::*what can be done to ensure that we can have both annonymous contributions and new registrations, but not be victim to this again?
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:::{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::Hi IRF, see: [[Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened.3F]] and [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions]].  Data wasn't lost there were just tons of pages to revert. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Splitting Nicknames ==
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Hey there.  I was helping with the nickname-splitting effort on [[Nicknames]], but people are asking on the talk page as to why these are being split.  Sounds like the consensus is that we should put them back the way they were. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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:I'd say far from a consensus.  It's just 3 people, and although I respect dot com's opinion a lot, it looks terrible right now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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If we're going to put them in categories, then we're grouping the nicknames by the type of toon they come from. We should take the next step in keeping them actually grouped by toon as well. Chronological order makes the most sense therefore. Either way, please at least reply to my comments on the talk page there before taking the trouble to alphabetize them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Timing...I started making changes before you even put the comments there, and then after I spent about 10 minutes working on it I saw what you said and it made sense.  You should know by now that I don't just ignore people's comments, and since there is not instant messaging here I didn't know about your post until I finished my edit.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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::Oh, I never thought you were ignoring anyone. :) But I did want to leave you a message so that, depending on how the discussion went, you wouldn't go to a lot of unnecessary trouble. Just curious, why did you pick ''reverse'' chronological order? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::I don't think you should use ''reverse'' chronological order or chronological order... but rather [[Wikipedia:Reverse Polish notation|''Reverse'' Polish notation]], it's even better than regular old [[Wikipedia:Polish notation|Polish notation]]! I need to go home. And sleep. BTW your reorganization is looking good! Looking real nice ere.. reeeal nice! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::Just following the example of [[Toons| Toons menu]],  [[Strong_Bad_Email#Strong_Bad_Emails| Strong Bad Emails]], and [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], which all are listed order from most recent to oldest. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::And Stux, you need to move that non-sense to another section.  We already have a pre-calc section here, that would be Calc 2 *ahh nightmares nightmare* ...must...erase...memories...of...polar...coordinates.  J/K Stux but it only took me only 3 tries to pass my second semester of Calculous in college.  I just flat out gave up once we got to Diffy Q's.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Invisible_Robot_Fish&diff=200758&oldid=200325 Good morning!] LOL!  Actually, RPN and Polish Notation would be more of a [[Wikipedia:Infix notation|computer sciency thing]] (I even used to have a nifty [[Wikipedia:HP calculators|HP calculator]] a long time ago, but it got stolen; now I have a TI-85).  So hopefully it won't make you shudder as much ;).  Ah! Diffy Q's... yes... I think I passed that class... and learned much! I remember almost nothing from it though.  At least I know I took it :). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::::Still Shudder, I was a computer engineering major a one point.  I still enjoy making a simple programs which makes non-computer science people really impressed.  My favorite program that I wrote was a programs that encrypted text so that you could email it in coded form to the person that had the unscrambler.  One day I hope to find someone in the FBI or CIA and see how long it takes to crack.  Its relatively simple but designed to leave little to no pattern to back solve from.  I had a TI-85 many moons ago, but I wanted to TI-89 that did diffy q's.  I don't do much coding anymore but I can usually look at code and kind know what is going on.  I learned mostly in C++. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Random ==
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Sorry, I didn't realize that I could do that.  I didn't even know that I'd actually done anything involving the removal of my sig.  My bad.  Sorry. --[[User:Homsarroks|<span style="color: #ff4500;">Homsarroks</span>]] 23:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Its all good...or it's all good. I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THAT STUPID RULE! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
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== You have NEW message !?!?!  **please read** ==
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Near the top of my browser I see the following:
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<div style="background:#FFCC66; padding:8px;">'''You have <u><font color="#6600FF">New Messages</font></u></div>'''
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and it never goes away or changes, even when I don't have new messages.  Is there a reason for that.  I checked preferences and didn't see a setting for it.  I'm confused.  I've ignored it for awhile but now its just annoying. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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:Yeah, this has been a problem since the upgrade. You have to unwatch your talk page, I think. There's more detail somewhere else, but I forget where. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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::That's right. Any time anybody (including yourself) makes a change to this page, you'll need to unwatch it to make the notice go away. Besides here on the wiki, this bug has been reported at [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 bugzilla]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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:::Thank you. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
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::::This happened to me too, and I unwatched my talk page and watched again. Ever since I did that, it goes away after I click it once. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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== Strong Bad's Rhythym and Grammar Awards ==
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Hey, IRF. Hate to be a bother... But I'd just like to point out that your new award misspells "grammar". It's slightly ironic, if you think about it. Anyways, I just thought to tell you. Not saying you have to fix it, just pointing it out. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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:Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  **hangs head in shame** That's not quite as bad as when I made a big huge banner for a celebration for a friend of mine and mispelled ''congratulations''... and now you all know.  Spelling is not my forte` and this is a prime example...but it would be funny if I did it on purpose {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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::I'm willing to pretend it didn't happen if you do. <nowiki>*wink*</nowiki> --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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== One of the Haiku's ==
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Hi IRF! How cool is it that you were inspired to make an entire section of Haiku's in your page!? Anyway FYI i wanted to make it clear that the Strong Bad Haiku you quoted as being "mine" is in fact the haiku that's said by Strong Bad in Email #57, [[japanese cartoon]] and I credited as such in my page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
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:Corrected, thanks {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
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== dangeresque 3 reversion ==
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C'mon man, a total reversion?  I understand deleting the Bullitt reference, but at least re-include my remark somewhere else.  Please?  I worked hard on how to phrase that.
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Thanks for reading this far.
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-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
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:Your fact was as follows
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<pre>
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*Since "Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque too?" was (suppoosedly) made prior to
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"Dangeresque 2:This time it's not Dangeresque 1" it has appears to have a slightly smaller
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The word '''Since''' implies that the following part has something to do with the earlier.  Being a sequal has nothing to do with a budget.  Further, it's a cartoon...there is no budget.  It's a cartoon made up by SB.  It's done in a cheasy 70's style with props that SB made, much like Space program.  This is like saying that "The SBASAF must have a low budget because the ship is just made out of cardboard.  It's just a backyard fantasy.
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Sorry that you spent time on it but I just don't think it was a valid fact. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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::Maybe I just need claryfication on something.  Are we writing this information as though the world of Homestar Runner is "real" or just as a webshow? Reason being I seem to find examples of each.  Second, most movies sequels '''DO''' have a larger budget than the original film (Exapmles include Star Wars, The Matrix, Jaws, etc.).  Finally, perhaps my "fact" should be revised and maybe put into the trivia section.  The main reason I wrote about the budget was to justify the instrumental music in Dangeresque 2, and the fact that there are no flubbed lines in it.  However, since we only see action clips, maybe we just weren't shown any.
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::Thanks again
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::-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
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:::The style is consistant with most other H*R productions.  Most of the things these characters do appear homemade. Just the same as [[theme_park]], [[space_program]], [[pizzaz]], [[monument]], [[stunt_double]], [[local_news]] and the character videos.  I don't think that poor quality is notable because that is just the way they are. As for how we view them, I'm not sure.  I think that borders on a philiosphical arguement but since Bubs used to be able to fly, the paper can interact with things and the wagon fulla pancakes is going to for the champeenship, it can't be taken that seriously. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
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== Images needing replacement ==
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Just to let you know, three images on your user page are currently pending deletion. They are:
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{{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
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:I don't know how to read that timestamp but I did that awhile ago. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
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== Page in progress ==
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I was already on that page when you put up the "in progress" notice, so the version I had didn't have it at the top. Sorry if you got an edit conflict. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
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:P.S. The Bored buttons probably need ths same treatment as the NavBar, but I'll wait till your done. Or maybe I'll get distracted and forget. One of the two. :) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
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::done now {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
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:::also, I am still wondering what the difference between <nowiki> {{inprogress}} and {{pageinprogress}}</nowiki> and when each should be used.  {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
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::::<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:inprogress|inprogress]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> is just for sections of pages, (its text specifically mentions that the current section is in progress), while <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:pageinprogress|pageinprogress]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> states that the entire page is in progress. Took me a bit too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
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== Picture source inquiry ==
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Hi IRF! What's up? Anyway I wanted to ask you if you knew the source Toon or Email for [[:Image:A history.PNG|this image]] that you uploaded? Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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:I started with a screenshot from [[other days]], [[The Chalkboard]] originally said<br> ''This week<nowiki>:</nowiki><br>a pie in the face?''<br><br>  So I left ''this week<nowiki>:</nowiki>'' and I already had the ''a,h,i,s,t,'' from that page.  The ''o'' came from modifying the loop on the ''p'' from ''pie'', the ''r'' came from the lower half of ''h'' and the ''y'' was just made.  I though about downloading the font chalkdust to do it better, but I saw that it wasn't free so I made do.  Now my secrets are revealed. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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::Ohhhhh! Not bad! Not bad at all... could've fool me! Actually... you did as I thought it was just a plain old screenshot! Nice. Now to come up with something decent to write on the caption. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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What about the "open" and "closed" images you've got? I'm trying to add appropriate copyright tags to most (if not all) of our images. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 15:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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:Those were thanks to a google image search, I'd have to find them again.  And what's wrong with ''our proud heritage''? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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::The [http://starbulletin.com/1999/11/16/news/story1.html open image came from here] and the [http://www.angelfire.com/on3/Dillon/ closed image came from here (beware of pop-ups)]  I hope I didn't do anything wrong. *gulp...copywright infringement laws* {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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:::Thank you. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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::::You're welcome {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
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Hey, IRF. How are ya? I'm pretty sure we don't have a fair use claim to the pictures of Matt and Mike Chapman, since they come from a copyrighted website outside of homestarrunner.com. I'm planning on deleting them soon. Thanks for understanding. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
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:I'm a little fuzzy on the whole fair use thing but surely you can use a picture taken by someone else if credit is given right?  I mean if I had a website and wanted a picture of the president after his discription, I would not have to wade to through secret service agents to do so, I'd just use a previously published photo.  I have seen notes on articles outside the wiki that say 'phots courtesy of the associated press' or something like that.  Your thoughts?
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:No, it doesn't quite work like that. We don't even have any real legal standing to use the images from homestarrunner.com (at least not as many as we do), but the Chaps, being nice guys, quietly let us get away with it because we are promoting their site and because we try to keep ourselves in check (by not reproducing whole works like [[Original Book]]). In ''this'' case, however, you have uploaded images that are not from h*r.com, but rather from a separate website, which has its own copyrights. Simply giving credit is not enough. You would need ''permission''. I need you to go ahead and remove them from your page. Thanks. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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Contents

Just a heads up

Just so you know, the PlayStation ('95) came out a year before the Nintendo 64 ('96), not the other way around, and CERTAINLY not a four-year headstart. You sure you didn't mix it up with the SNES ('91)? Babbage's doesn't stock those anymore, either (much to my chagrin). --Shadow Hog 00:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sig

Hey Invisible Robot Fish. I moved your signature template to the correct location. — It's dot com 21:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

It's me again. I removed some parentheses in the links that were also causing problems. Did you copy those from somewhere? If so, we need to edit that article to make it less ambiguous. — It's dot com 22:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm in the process of editing my sig, I'm not sure what your refering about the parentheses. Is that on a diff page? I am editing things in my sig and playing around with it for the first time. --22:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm talking about this edit, where I took out the parentheses that were causing the links not to work. — It's dot com 22:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. I think I am getting the hang of it now. -- I R F 22:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I think it's looking good. Although, it is just a little bit long. Perhaps without the leading image? Just a thought. — It's dot com 23:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
How bout now? I R F 23:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Still a bit too big, and the image is to tall, it takes up more than one line of text. Maybe shorten "contributions" or something? small_logo.pngUsername-talk 23:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok now I am set. comments anyone? I R F 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I thought the Pac-Man was cool. If you just reduced it a little. — It's dot com 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm at work so I don't have the software with me to make a smaller pic I R F 23:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

STUFF revisions

Hey Invisible Robot Fish again. You can only vote to accept one of the revisions on this fact. You need to decide which one you like best. Thanks. — It's dot com 15:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, learning as I go. I R F 16:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

By the by, the tide has turned on this one, if you want to give it another look-see. — It's dot com 19:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, want my vote to count I R F 23:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Interesting

Hey Invisible Robot Fish again again. I like Christian rock music too; the old-school Muppets are awesome; aviation is fascinating; and my dream job would be to be an MLB umpire. For reals. — It's dot com 12:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

You know some of the bands I like. I fly a Cecsna Skylane 182 RG. Although I want to get eventually get instrument rated and multi-engine so that I can get a Piper Saratoga. I also want to get Raytheon King Air in the next 10 years.
I officiate at high school Varsity and now Collegiate Level. I am aspiring to be a D1 college umpire. I had dreams of being a major league ump once, but that was short lived as I wasn't willing to pay the price of being in the minor for who knows how long just to maybe make it. Its a narrow door to get through. I R F 12:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Show Preview

I noticed you've been playing with your userpage to figure out how all of the markup code works here. It's certianly the right place to do it, and you are more than welcome to, but I have one request. Right below the edit box is a botton called Show Preview. You can click on it to show what the page will look like when you do save the changes, but it won't create an entry in Recent changes, which can get flooded rather quickly if you save every edit without a preview. It just makes things a lot easier for everybody. Thanks, small_logo.pngUsername-talk 12:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Will do. The page was loading differently in the Show Preview, but I'll use that more. I R F 12:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Do you hate me?

Invisible Robot Fish, many of your edit summaries concerning my edits are a real kick in butt. What's the deal? --Sam Goldfish 02:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

One thing I have realized while being here is that there are a few trump cards in this wiki. It's Dot Com, JoeyDay, and Tom are a few. There was a series of times within a 10 minute period where you continually reverted edit that had already been fixed. I can't say that I have never done that. But as noted on your talk page, this wasn't the first time that you had been told not engage in a reverting war. I am one of many people that patroll recent changes, and it seemed that all I was doing for 20 minutes was changing things back that you had done (most of which, were corrected by Its Dot Com). If memory serves me correct, you were deleting whole sections and images that didn't need to be deleted (except one, I will grant that one of your deletions was in fact a good one). So yes, at that time, I was frustrated and wanted you to stop changing pages that were just fine. Wiki pages undergo intense scrutiny to I think a laughable level. So if you see a fun fact from a toon that aired 2 months ago, chances are, its a good one. Grammar and spelling changes are always welcome, but give more thought before you delete whole fun facts that have been there for months. I R F 12:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

The Cheat's knife

That's not a fun fact candidate, so it doesn't belong on the STUFF page. I started a discussion here for you about the knife. — It's dot com 22:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Noted, I didn't know where else to put that. Thank you. I R F 23:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Images

Hi, Invisible Robot Fish. Just so you know, you can only have one personal image on your userpage. You have at least 4 by now: Image:Veggiepirates.jpeg, Image:Muppets.jpeg, Image:Ump.jpeg, and Image:Skylane.jpeg. You're going to have to choose one, and mark the others for deletion. Thanks. --DorianGray

grumble grumble. Gimme a minute to think. I R F
"We are the Pirates Who Don't Do Anything. We just stay home and lie around! And if you ask us to do anything, we'll just tell you: 'We don't do anything.'" I really like your pictures, and I really hope that ump was about to toss the Twins' manager. It's too bad that we can all each only have one on our pages. — It's dot com 17:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
No he didn't get tossed, I was looking for an ejection pic but I couldn't find a good one. I R F
I see you've chosen the VeggieTales pic. I'll take care of the others for you. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding. — It's dot com 17:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I was looking on the help pages and couldn't find instructions to delete an image. Where is that help info located? I R F 17:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
It's just like any other page. Just go to the edit tab and add {{delete|personal image}} to the unwanted images. --DorianGray

Question

Hey there you seem like a experiaentes user so can you give me step by step instructions on how to get thouse cool signatures? PLEASE!

Everything I learned, I got from the Help section on your right hand side. Follow the instructions under 'signature' **tip** when practicing, use your userpage and the show preview button. I R F 20:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

History

Hello IRF. I was reading your userpage, and I noticed that you have apparently been around H*R for quite some time, perhaps one of the longest on the whole Wiki. Which got me thinking. Just how long have you been around, and how much do you remember about the pre-2002 era of H*R.com (the point where Live Journals runs dry as source info for H*R.com updates 2001). I look forward to hearing from you. Thunderbird 01:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't remember when I discovered the wiki. I was a big Homestar fan starting about the end of high school, to my freshman year in college which was 1999 or 2000 (wow that was 3 computers ago!). I don't remember when I discovered the wiki but I know that I kicked around here for a LONG time before I actually got a username and starting contributing. As to what was on the site at that time, your asking me to invade memories that have long been washing away by many long nights at O'Sullivan's Wharf (Sully's we called it) in Norfolk, VA. I really don't remember. I do remember when 'Search for the Yello Dello' came out. Can you imagine a H*R world in which we didn't yet know that Coach Z couldn't say the word job?!?!
I R F 12:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow.. And I thought that the fact the I remember japanese cartoon comming out makes me an old fan. Way to go! Elcool (talk)(contribs) 17:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
That's impressive. I only jumped on the bandwagon about the time labor day came out (suntan was the very first thing I saw, even before the main page or anything. My cousin sent me a link while chatting on MSN with me). Although I'm not sure if it was quite 1999 when you first found it, H*R.com started January 1st 2000. I guess you probably found it mid to end 2000. You remember before there were Strong Bad Emails I assume. I am curious though, do you remember how you first found it? Thunderbird 21:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm, there were definately a few emails, so perhaps my timeline is off, but I went to college in 2000 and it was a friend of mine that showed me it. H*R was a cult thing (in a good way) on our hall (which was really cool since no one else knew about it yet). We'd cruise the site, d/l from napster (still legal then) and then play either Motorcross through the LAN or You don't know jack. Ah college was certainly worth the 100 Grand I blew on it. I R F 21:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... Quite a quandry then. Sounds like it must have been sometime in 2002 then, since the begining of 2002 had a total of 8 Strong Bad Emails. That was right around when the site started regular, without fail, weekly updates, it seems. Thunderbird 23:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The emails were not regular yet. In 2002 I was a junior **cough cough 2nd sophamore year cough cough** so I know it was way before that. When did Yellow Dello come out? Because it was around then. I R F 23:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
The original, or the DVD? The DVD was possible Circa March 31st, 2001. See here for why we think this to possibly be the case. Thunderbird 01:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
I remember knowing about H*R (not being really a fan then) before I graduated college (pre-2002). And I remember watching guitar sometime around then (before or after? not sure, I might have really old logs I can check). But for a while, I kept thinking I knew about SBE's a while before I graduated. Of course the timelines don't match "mine" so I dunno. --Stux 01:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Did many people even know about DVD's in 2001? I'm thinking it was the original purely because I do also remember seeing the DVD version for the first time and thinking that having all the commentary and such was a novel idea. I R F 17:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

My Cousin Vinny

Just curious whether you mean that good, bad, or indifferent, and whether it applies to everybody in general or someone in particular. ;) — It's dot com 17:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Genreal, humurous, non-jaded comment, directed usually at new or non-logged in people. Just a general comment that sometimes something completely fine and correct will be posted, as someone will come along and rv I R F 18:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
The reason I ask is that there's this anonny who keeps making lots of changes to several pages. Some of his edits are good, and some are not. Occasionally we'll go through all his changes and keep the ones that should stay and revert the ones that shouldn't, but lately it has been so much trouble that often the whole page gets reverted. That's not a very elegant solution, but he has ignored repeated attempts at communication by several users via his talk page. We have asked him either to stop what he's doing or, at the very least, explain himself, but we are met with silence. *sigh* — It's dot com 18:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Is it a certain annonymous person that also started a topic a few sections above about this? I R F 19:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

PNGs

Actually, why are you uploading GIFs? Our image policy states that PNGs should be used if at all possible. The GIF format doesn't even support 24-bit color. — It's dot com 17:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Unless you are at computer that has Macromedia Fireworks (a $500 program) or another program that makes PNG's this it is not possible to get a PNG. So you must ask yourself this question: Which is better, to have less content and edits from someone that cannot make a PNG file, or to put up a GIF for now, and have someone replace it later? BTW I am aware of the image policy. I R F 17:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
What platform are you on? I know that even the most basic programs on both Windows (Paint) and Mac (Preview) support the PNG format. — It's dot com 18:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Sweet mother of mystery! I didn't know Paint had PNG. My apologies. I just always thought of Paint as a dumb program that did BMPs. Plus TBC constatntly rag on it so I never bothered to use it. My other computer has Macromedia Studio and that is what I am used to but I never go to the wiki from that comp. From now on, I'll use PNG. I R F 18:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Cool. :) — It's dot com
FYI: From those of us poor enough to have to use Open Source... I do my PNG's using The GIMP Photoshop clone. It has pretty much all the features at (1/∞) times the price :). Some little things here and there are not as easy to do and take a little getting used to, but you certainly can't beat the price! (P.S. I know 1/∞ is undefined, but if you take the limn → ∞(1/n) then we have the desired number ;) ) --Stux 21:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey do you have the original BMP for this picture? I was about to convert the GIF to PNG but it might be better to take the original BMP and convert that to PNG. --Stux 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Already done I R F 13:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Pre-Calc 101

(I Split up the conversation as the subject changed) I R F

actually I thought the limn → ∞(1/n)=0

if my calculous memories are correct limn → 0;(1/n) would be undefined. I R F 22:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Dude that's awesome! Another fellow math geek! And thanks for the pretty math text :) As for to answer your comments: I thought the limn → ∞(1/n)=0
it is! That's how much the software costs: $0! And I thought about limn → 0;(1/n) would be undefined... actually 1/0 is undefined, but here, the limn → 0;(1/n)=∞, if my memory serves me right.--Stux 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I always use practical examples:
limn → ∞(1/n) = 0
1/999999 = .000001 or 0
limn → 0(1/n) = undefined
because 1/0 deviding by zero is undefined. I R F 22:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Image:1overn.PNG
limn → 0+ (1/n) = +∞
limn → 0- (1/n) = -∞
limn → 0 (1/n) = undefined I R F 23:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
As the graph there shows, as n approaches 0 (from a positive direction), 1/n gets closer to (positive) infinity. The limit, therefore, is infinity. The Wikipedia article states that the expression 1/0 is still technically undefined, because infinity is not a real number, but the limit is defined. — It's dot com 23:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Or is that what you were saying? I'm not sure what that third line under the graph is. Is it that if you don't specify a direction then you can't tell whether it should be positive or negative, and therefore undefined? — It's dot com
Cool, group participation. Exactly, the notation above states is that as you approach zero from the right or 0+the limit is +∞ but when you approach 0 from from the left or 0- the limit is -∞. Since you can't discuss both limits at the same time in a meaningful way, when you siimply state limn → 0 (1/n) there is no answer, or undefined. I R F 23:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmmm. I should've known better than that (I did actually study the stuff you know). I have the urge to go back and fix the mistake and pretended it never happened, but Alas... It would make even less sense if I do. So yes, I should've written limn → 0+ (1/n) = +∞. 0+ more specifically means approaching from the positive to that number, and 0- approaching from the negative to that number (we can generalize it to any number). In fact... and this one *should* be correct... limn → a f(n) exists if and only if limn → a+ f(n) = limn → a- f(n) (and of course they both exist). This is exactly what you showed above in the graph. It is a very obvious definition, but it is defined nonetheless. Somewhere; not sure where. The formal definition of the limit says something totally different from what I just mentioned and is actually a different beast using epsilon-delta notation which takes a while to understand. --Stux 00:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

About "Black Mountain"

About the Monte Verde revert you just did. I don't think the Monte Verde is a valid reference since there ARE things named Monte Negro. If such things didn't exist I wouldn't have deleted it. (And yes, I knew negro and verde meant "black" and "green" in Spanish--NFITC1

I don't care all that much about that one. I thought that most of those fact were not great. I R F 23:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Flag Intro Link

I hope I don't come off sounding rude but, about this edit and its ensuing revert war: That edit is actually better. Just to let you know, the link you kept reverting to is 404'D. The anony was fixing it to a valid link on a mirror that happens to NOT be unknown. I'll remove him/her from the WikiTroll list for you. Keep up the good work, but next time, don't be quick to revert. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 23:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Um, it's not 404'd. It works just fine. — It's dot com 23:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Lemme check again — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 23:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

wasn't 404'd for me, but point taken. I've had a bad day and made some quick decisions, so no more editing for me today I R F 00:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

This file? I'm STILL getting 404'd there. Cleared the cache and everything.

When I click on the that link there, I see Old Glory waving and Homestar running, and I hear "Everybody, everybody"... I was going to suggest a hard refresh, but it looks like you've already done that. Strange. — It's dot com 00:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I got to see it too! --Stux 00:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
It's always shown up for me too, which is why I've reset it a couple times. --DorianGray
However, it is still strange that so many people are encountering 404's. (As it stands I can't think of a rational explanation for it.) --Stux 00:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
The top of Secret Pages says that sometimes they don't work, but it doesn't say why. — It's dot com 00:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
404'd for me too... Thunderbird 00:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
FYI before I forget, I added the second link as a temporary solution and compromise to the problem. --Stux 00:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Whew, we got it all straightened out. I'm glad. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 00:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad too I R F 12:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Wow!

You made What are you supposed to be? Cool! That is my favorite obscure page ever. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

Thank you very much *wipes tear* but when I saw the Wow title, I though this was going to have something to do with Willy on Wheels (WoW) I R F 23:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Same. It freaks me out whenever I see it. Hence my rushing over here to find nothing but a congradulatory message. Good job, IRF. — Lapper (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

cleanup

You might want to delete this too... that is unless you still need it, which is why I didn't mark it myself. (And to respond to your thank you note... you are welcome! It was my pleasure! Though I can prolly make them borders look a little better.)--Stux 01:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Go for it I R F 12:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

11/10/05 !?!

Can a sysop fill me in on what in the world happened on Thursday. It seemed that the whole server is down and now annonymous editing and new registration is gone. What happened? I R F 12:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Frankly, IRF, we were hit by the same troll we recently had in bot form. He created several hundreds of usernames, HRWiki:NSMC vandal, and took quite a bit of time to recover from. New user registration and annonymous editing are both disabled to cease further troll activity for the moment. — Lapper (talk) 12:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I've got a couple of questions and if they already been address, then please provide the link, but
  • did the bot cause the server shutdown, or was the shutdown to stop the bot?
  • was there any data lost or were we able to completely recover?
  • what can be done to ensure that we can have both annonymous contributions and new registrations, but not be victim to this again?
I R F 14:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi IRF, see: Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened.3F and HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions. Data wasn't lost there were just tons of pages to revert. --Stux 23:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Splitting Nicknames

Hey there. I was helping with the nickname-splitting effort on Nicknames, but people are asking on the talk page as to why these are being split. Sounds like the consensus is that we should put them back the way they were. - KieferSkunk 23:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I'd say far from a consensus. It's just 3 people, and although I respect dot com's opinion a lot, it looks terrible right now. I R F 23:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

If we're going to put them in categories, then we're grouping the nicknames by the type of toon they come from. We should take the next step in keeping them actually grouped by toon as well. Chronological order makes the most sense therefore. Either way, please at least reply to my comments on the talk page there before taking the trouble to alphabetize them. — It's dot com 23:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Timing...I started making changes before you even put the comments there, and then after I spent about 10 minutes working on it I saw what you said and it made sense. You should know by now that I don't just ignore people's comments, and since there is not instant messaging here I didn't know about your post until I finished my edit. I R F 00:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I never thought you were ignoring anyone. :) But I did want to leave you a message so that, depending on how the discussion went, you wouldn't go to a lot of unnecessary trouble. Just curious, why did you pick reverse chronological order? — It's dot com 00:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't think you should use reverse chronological order or chronological order... but rather Reverse Polish notation, it's even better than regular old Polish notation! I need to go home. And sleep. BTW your reorganization is looking good! Looking real nice ere.. reeeal nice! --Stux 00:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Just following the example of Toons menu, Strong Bad Emails, and Fourth Wall Breaks, which all are listed order from most recent to oldest. I R F 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
And Stux, you need to move that non-sense to another section. We already have a pre-calc section here, that would be Calc 2 *ahh nightmares nightmare* ...must...erase...memories...of...polar...coordinates. J/K Stux but it only took me only 3 tries to pass my second semester of Calculous in college. I just flat out gave up once we got to Diffy Q's. I R F 12:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Good morning! LOL! Actually, RPN and Polish Notation would be more of a computer sciency thing (I even used to have a nifty HP calculator a long time ago, but it got stolen; now I have a TI-85). So hopefully it won't make you shudder as much ;). Ah! Diffy Q's... yes... I think I passed that class... and learned much! I remember almost nothing from it though. At least I know I took it :). --Stux 15:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Still Shudder, I was a computer engineering major a one point. I still enjoy making a simple programs which makes non-computer science people really impressed. My favorite program that I wrote was a programs that encrypted text so that you could email it in coded form to the person that had the unscrambler. One day I hope to find someone in the FBI or CIA and see how long it takes to crack. Its relatively simple but designed to leave little to no pattern to back solve from. I had a TI-85 many moons ago, but I wanted to TI-89 that did diffy q's. I don't do much coding anymore but I can usually look at code and kind know what is going on. I learned mostly in C++. I R F 15:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Random

Sorry, I didn't realize that I could do that. I didn't even know that I'd actually done anything involving the removal of my sig. My bad. Sorry. --Homsarroks 23:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Its all good...or it's all good. I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THAT STUPID RULE! I R F 13:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

You have NEW message !?!?! **please read**

Near the top of my browser I see the following:

You have New Messages

and it never goes away or changes, even when I don't have new messages. Is there a reason for that. I checked preferences and didn't see a setting for it. I'm confused. I've ignored it for awhile but now its just annoying. I R F 23:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, this has been a problem since the upgrade. You have to unwatch your talk page, I think. There's more detail somewhere else, but I forget where. --DorianGray
That's right. Any time anybody (including yourself) makes a change to this page, you'll need to unwatch it to make the notice go away. Besides here on the wiki, this bug has been reported at bugzilla. — It's dot com 23:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. I R F 23:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
This happened to me too, and I unwatched my talk page and watched again. Ever since I did that, it goes away after I click it once. --SaltyTalk! 23:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Strong Bad's Rhythym and Grammar Awards

Hey, IRF. Hate to be a bother... But I'd just like to point out that your new award misspells "grammar". It's slightly ironic, if you think about it. Anyways, I just thought to tell you. Not saying you have to fix it, just pointing it out. --DorianGray

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! **hangs head in shame** That's not quite as bad as when I made a big huge banner for a celebration for a friend of mine and mispelled congratulations... and now you all know. Spelling is not my forte` and this is a prime example...but it would be funny if I did it on purpose I R F 22:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm willing to pretend it didn't happen if you do. *wink* --DorianGray

One of the Haiku's

Hi IRF! How cool is it that you were inspired to make an entire section of Haiku's in your page!? Anyway FYI i wanted to make it clear that the Strong Bad Haiku you quoted as being "mine" is in fact the haiku that's said by Strong Bad in Email #57, japanese cartoon and I credited as such in my page. --Stux 16:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Corrected, thanks I R F 17:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

dangeresque 3 reversion

C'mon man, a total reversion? I understand deleting the Bullitt reference, but at least re-include my remark somewhere else. Please? I worked hard on how to phrase that.

Thanks for reading this far. ---Jeff J. W.(Talk·Contribs)hr.png

Your fact was as follows
*Since "Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque too?" was (suppoosedly) made prior to 
"Dangeresque 2:This time it's not Dangeresque 1" it has appears to have a slightly smaller
budget. Examples include the non-instrumental music and poor editing throughout.

The word Since implies that the following part has something to do with the earlier. Being a sequal has nothing to do with a budget. Further, it's a cartoon...there is no budget. It's a cartoon made up by SB. It's done in a cheasy 70's style with props that SB made, much like Space program. This is like saying that "The SBASAF must have a low budget because the ship is just made out of cardboard. It's just a backyard fantasy.

Sorry that you spent time on it but I just don't think it was a valid fact. I R F 13:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Maybe I just need claryfication on something. Are we writing this information as though the world of Homestar Runner is "real" or just as a webshow? Reason being I seem to find examples of each. Second, most movies sequels DO have a larger budget than the original film (Exapmles include Star Wars, The Matrix, Jaws, etc.). Finally, perhaps my "fact" should be revised and maybe put into the trivia section. The main reason I wrote about the budget was to justify the instrumental music in Dangeresque 2, and the fact that there are no flubbed lines in it. However, since we only see action clips, maybe we just weren't shown any.
Thanks again
---Jeff J. W.(Talk·Contribs)hr.png
The style is consistant with most other H*R productions. Most of the things these characters do appear homemade. Just the same as theme_park, space_program, pizzaz, monument, stunt_double, local_news and the character videos. I don't think that poor quality is notable because that is just the way they are. As for how we view them, I'm not sure. I think that borders on a philiosphical arguement but since Bubs used to be able to fly, the paper can interact with things and the wagon fulla pancakes is going to for the champeenship, it can't be taken that seriously. I R F 18:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Images needing replacement

Just to let you know, three images on your user page are currently pending deletion. They are:

  • Image:Games menu level1.gif
  • Image:Games menu level2.gif
  • Image:Games menu level3.gif

However, if you want to, you can replace them with:

  • Image:Gamesmenulvl1.PNG
  • Image:Gamesmenulvl2.PNG
  • Image:Gamesmenulvl3.PNG

The Chort 20:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know how to read that timestamp but I did that awhile ago. I R F 23:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Page in progress

I was already on that page when you put up the "in progress" notice, so the version I had didn't have it at the top. Sorry if you got an edit conflict. — It's dot com 22:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. The Bored buttons probably need ths same treatment as the NavBar, but I'll wait till your done. Or maybe I'll get distracted and forget. One of the two. :) — It's dot com
done now I R F 23:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
also, I am still wondering what the difference between {{inprogress}} and {{pageinprogress}} and when each should be used. I R F 23:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
{{inprogress}} is just for sections of pages, (its text specifically mentions that the current section is in progress), while {{pageinprogress}} states that the entire page is in progress. Took me a bit too. --Stux 02:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Picture source inquiry

Hi IRF! What's up? Anyway I wanted to ask you if you knew the source Toon or Email for this image that you uploaded? Thanks! --Stux 01:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

I started with a screenshot from other days, The Chalkboard originally said
This week:
a pie in the face?


So I left this week: and I already had the a,h,i,s,t, from that page. The o came from modifying the loop on the p from pie, the r came from the lower half of h and the y was just made. I though about downloading the font chalkdust to do it better, but I saw that it wasn't free so I made do. Now my secrets are revealed. I R F 12:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Ohhhhh! Not bad! Not bad at all... could've fool me! Actually... you did as I thought it was just a plain old screenshot! Nice. Now to come up with something decent to write on the caption. Thanks! --Stux 15:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

What about the "open" and "closed" images you've got? I'm trying to add appropriate copyright tags to most (if not all) of our images. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 15:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Those were thanks to a google image search, I'd have to find them again. And what's wrong with our proud heritage? I R F 17:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
The open image came from here and the closed image came from here (beware of pop-ups) I hope I didn't do anything wrong. *gulp...copywright infringement laws* I R F 18:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 22:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome I R F 22:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey, IRF. How are ya? I'm pretty sure we don't have a fair use claim to the pictures of Matt and Mike Chapman, since they come from a copyrighted website outside of homestarrunner.com. I'm planning on deleting them soon. Thanks for understanding. — It's dot com 01:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm a little fuzzy on the whole fair use thing but surely you can use a picture taken by someone else if credit is given right? I mean if I had a website and wanted a picture of the president after his discription, I would not have to wade to through secret service agents to do so, I'd just use a previously published photo. I have seen notes on articles outside the wiki that say 'phots courtesy of the associated press' or something like that. Your thoughts?

I R F 16:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

No, it doesn't quite work like that. We don't even have any real legal standing to use the images from homestarrunner.com (at least not as many as we do), but the Chaps, being nice guys, quietly let us get away with it because we are promoting their site and because we try to keep ourselves in check (by not reproducing whole works like Original Book). In this case, however, you have uploaded images that are not from h*r.com, but rather from a separate website, which has its own copyrights. Simply giving credit is not enough. You would need permission. I need you to go ahead and remove them from your page. Thanks. — It's dot com 16:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
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