User talk:Darth Katana X

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Contents 1 You're unblocked now! 2 Why do you have to be so negative? 3 Dude 4 Hey, man 5 Userpage 6 Homestar Runner (long, drawn out, & stupid)

You're unblocked now!

You can finally edit the wiki once again! You're probably feeling good right now, huh? — Seriously ^(Talk) 11:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving me a message. You know, I'm actually pretty indifferent about it, though it is cool to actually be able to stick it to the man again. — Darth Katana X ( )

Why do you have to be so negative?

Did you listen to a single thing that anyone said about your blockage at all? God, I find it so annoying...It's not the comments, it's the fact that you act like you can't read and overly grudge anyone who ever did anything bad to you ever mfor something that never even happened! Tom didn't take away everything interesting and start making things up! What are you talking about?! — Seriously ^(Talk) 00:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Dude

Dude, why are you (literally) asking to be blocked? Why burn your bridges here? Just put the keyboard down, man. Nobody's making you post those things on the talk pages. If you want to take a self-imposed break, then we won't stop you, but there's no reason to paint us into a corner where blocking is our only recourse. We'd much rather keep the lines of dialogue open with all users. — It's dot com 01:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that was what I was just saying in my reply to Seriously, but then I saw this. I'm clearly taking this site too seriously, being really immature, arrogant and doing more bad for the site than good. Both I and the heads of HRWiki, Inc. will definitely have some time to clear their minds and think about all the stuff that's being debated after I go. I'll just let things that annoy me go and let everyone else think about them until I can learn to be more mature in my debates and arguements. — Darth Katana X ( )

Well, I hope you take time to relax and unwind while you take a WikiBreak. If you do, yiu'll certainly use it better than the lest time. XD But yes, we will all miss you, believe it or not. Take care, man. — Seriously ^(Talk) 01:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. — Darth Katana X ( )

Dude...Why'd you get blocked?--ΨHomsarΨroksΨ 11:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

For being the wiki anti-hero, uploading decidedly "anti-HRWiki" images (I never intended such a thing), questioning sysops and defending wiki trolls who are also my friends. To be honest, I probably should've been indefinitely blocked a long time ago. But I've cooled down a lot since then and now I think I can carry on with valuable editing (my comment on an anti-Yelt vandal probably won't fly, though). Thanks for getting back to me. — Darth Katana X ( )

Hey, man

Seems you're back already. Nice to see you editing again! — Seriously ^(Talk) 21:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. I'm gonna keep my opinion a little more quiet and maybe I'll be heard. (Hey, I'm a poet and I didn't even know it!) — Darth Katana X ( )

Cool. By the way, bravo for staying on the good side of the situation with Yelt. I know he's your friend on Wikipedia, so it's understandable to be on his side. But, like a wiki user with great judgment, you kept on the side of the admins, and Yelt was blocked. He's a troll, and not much more. — Seriously ^(Talk) 21:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I never thought of it that way. Cool. You know he'll be back, though. He's got a bunch of computers and there are tons of libraries with Internet access where he lives, too. — Darth Katana X ( )

Userpage

Um..is the vandalism thing serious or are you kidding? I vandalized your page just now because I figured it was OK, but then I saw that the other guy who did that got banned...so I wasn't sure. AlliterativeAssociate 18:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Chris, whatever. Darth Katana X, you really need to remove that from your page. You should not be soliciting for other people to routinely edit your user page, ever. — It's dot com 18:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Huh? My name's Jeff. But anyway, I won't vandalize userpages again even if they ask. AlliterativeAssociate 18:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Really, Jeff? Hmm, that's strange. I have no idea how I could have mixed that up. — It's dot com 18:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I just looked at the other vandal's (of Darth's userpage) userpage history and it said his name is Christopher. Maybe you were thinking of him? AlliterativeAssociate 18:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Chris, do you really think I can't see the IP of every edit you make? — It's dot com 18:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh..you thought I'm Granola? Well..I didnt' want to mention it because I knew he's a troll here and everything, but I'm actually his cousin. I'm using his computer right now because I'm at his house, we came down from Illinois for the summer. AlliterativeAssociate 18:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ha ha. For the summer. You crack me up, Chris. Crack. Me. Up. — It's dot com 18:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

....????? I would prefer not to use his computer, given that I don't want to be mistaken for him, but yeah, I'm Granola's cousin, not him. Should I wait until I get back home to edit HRWiki? I'd rather not wait that long. AlliterativeAssociate 18:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh. We weren't supposed to do that?
Crap.
ΨHomsarΨroksΨ 21:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, guys! No, really, go ahead and vandalize it and have fun! I'll go vandalize it myself and show y'all that it's really fun! — Darth Katana X ( )

But It's dot com said not to. AlliterativeAssociate 23:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't think he knew that I was serious. Don't worry. Go have fun. He'll probably revert it if he doesn't like it and then it'll be like it never happened. So, I don't see how it's really harming anything. — Darth Katana X ( )

Oh OK. AlliterativeAssociate 23:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I know that you want people to vandalize your userpage, and I understand you're OK with it, but you're going to have to take that note off of your userpage. I know it's all in good fun, but we like it when only the userpage's owner edits the corresponding userpage. It was one of the main reasons that guestbooks were finally banned, which I'm sure you remember. Thanks for understanding. Username-talk 23:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed it. AlliterativeAssociate 23:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Userpages don't benefit the wiki. They're just there. Therefore, it's not corrupting the wiki. It's just fun. — Darth Katana X ( )

Look, your page is not a sandbox; it's not a playground. It is for informing users about who you are and what you do around here. If you don't want any real content on it, then that's fine too, but you can't have a solicitation for people to vandalize it, because it creates edits from people who don't know better, which is what we're trying to avoid. — It's dot com 23:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Another words, (ooh, look, there's some another words) take to the fanstuff wiki. Where no one cares. :P - Joshua 00:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It makes no sense that fun has been outlawed on a site about Homestar Runner. I'll try to be as boring as possible from now on. — Darth Katana X ( )

Darth, you shouldn't have that attitude. AlliterativeAssociate 01:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Katana, your sarcasm is falling on deaf ears. This site is plenty of fun for those who know where to find it. If you're not having fun under the guidelines the community as a whole has deemed important, then please understand that that isn't our problem. — It's dot com 01:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hear, hear. AlliterativeAssociate 01:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Katana, this is a knowledge base. Yes, it's fun, but it's not anarchy. This is an encyclopedia of Homestar Runner which attempts to catalogue the various goings on in the H*R Universe in an encyclopedic fashion. The fact that the subject matter is irrevocably silly has no bearing on it. I recommend you check out Isaac Asimov's Treasury of Humor in which the author discusses the underpinnings of comedy. He discusses comedy in a very cerebral way, but at the same time is still uproriously funny. The humor, however, doesn't interfere with the purpose of the book. That's how this community needs to operate. If you want outright silliness, try the Fanstuff Wiki...— Bassbone (^{TALK CONT}) 02:18, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but you don't go looking at somebody's userpage for knowledge on Homestar Runner, you just do it for the heck of it, and since they do absolutely nothing to benefit the site, we might as well have fun. Also, if we're that strict, then we should change the fanon name "Visor Robot" to "Fhqwhgads Robot" or at the very least let everyone know that we're using a fake name. — Darth Katana X ( )

OK, I'll go back in time and add such a note to the page. --phlip ^T_C 04:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Please go back in time and acknowledge that his name is not "Visor Robot" higher in the page so that people will actually get the point. — Darth Katana X ( )

Re: (Userpages) do absolutely nothing to benefit the site.... - from HRWiki:User space:

"You can also use your user page to help you use the Homestar Runner Wiki more effectively.... Another use is to let people know about your activities and opinions on the Wiki.... Generally, you should avoid any substantial content that is unrelated to the Homestar Runner Wiki.... Particularly, community-building activities that are not strictly "on topic," may be allowed, especially when initiated by committed users with good edit histories. At their best, such activities help us to build the community, and this helps to build the knowledge-base.... Other users may edit pages in your user space, although in most cases it is done for a specific reason; casual editing of another's user page is discouraged.... In some cases, material that does not somehow further the goals of the project may be removed...."

Now, the sysops all know I'm an advocate for stricter enforcement of the above. Still, whether it's enforced or not, the policy is clear: the purpose of userpages is to facilitate meeting the wiki's mission, not to serve as a playground for either the user or other users. I support any action which curtails mere frivolity which cannot be construed as a unique opportunity to better the wiki.

Oh, and "Visor Robot" is not a fanon name, it's a provisional name while we lack a clear indication of whether the character has a legitimate one. (There is no clear indication that "Fhqwhgads Robot" is any more than an adjectival description of one sketch.) - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. — Darth Katana X ( )

Homestar Runner (long, drawn out, & stupid)

Is there a point you're trying to prove? Cause there's a better way to do it. For one thing, I agree with you: the fact that it's a "series" or "web cartoon" or whatever you want to call it is more what someone immediately thinks of than the fact that it's made with Macromedia Flash. But there's a reason for talking about stuff. This is a wiki. Say it with me: Wiiikiiii. That means it's not your private, personal KatanaBadia where you're sole monarch; its a sort of quasi-communist democracy-thing, sort of like a tribal village. This gets into Wikipedia philosophy, not just ours. The point is it's the product of group deliberation and majority consent. (Incidentally, that's why I spend the time on here I do; if I thought it was simply a bunch of articles about a webtoon it would be a waste of my time. I value it because I see it as a potential lab for people learning to interact with each other in a diplomatic and collaborative way, hopefully as a microcosm of democratic society. My hope is that people's experience here would lead to them voting responsibly, or get into fewer fights because they know how to talk confrontations out instead, and have seen proof that "community" and supportiveness aren't just B.S., they can actually get results. Which, by the way, is also why I want to teach middle school.

Move the article back and start up the usual discussion on the talk page. So it means a delay of maybe a week. So what? Think grand scheme of things. We're talking about a week, and it's been under this title for two years and nobody's been hurting. You're idea's good (at least I think so (although I might pick a different word besides "series")); if enough people see its merit, the move will happen, voila. If they don't, it means the move wasn't a good idea after all. (I hesitate at continuing a civics tangent, but I just couldn't delete it. Part of being in a community means sometimes you get outvoted. You hold a minority opinion. When that happens, you either suck it up and accept your defeat gracefully or—this is tough—if you think your issue too important for you to be silent about, you have to find some way to still "play nice" and maintain caring, productive, civilized, even supportive interaction with your ideological opponents without compromising your belief. The alternatives are:

1. We all try to just carve out our own little domains where we can orchestrate things our way. A society of Robinson Crusoes. Or, the net equivalent, everybody having their own little wiki that nobody visits cause nobody cares cause they're all already in their own little wikis. Low frustration; high loneliness; not a very enjoyable existence.
2. We try to impose our minority view on the majority by force. The problem here is you have no agency, and you just end up jailed as a sociopath. If the minority is enough people it may be successful eventually, but by either influencing the majority through diplomacy and positive methods, or else by separating itself and forming a new society (see 3).
3. Both sides hold their beliefs uncompromisingly but neither is willing to "play nice" about it. We progress to civil war. We end up either with two nations, not on speaking terms (or at permanent war, or with one subjugating the other), or far more likely, with genocide and brutal ideological oppression. I'm sure you can think of at least 10 societies just off the top of your head where this is happening or has happened.
   

And yes, there are direct correllations between these macropolitical realities and the interpersonal fabric of this wiki. If we can talk things out politely in STUFF there's hope that, say, America and Iran can sit down and talk already. Every time a user flames another, the world is closer to another Rwanda. Every time someone takes the easy way out and just leaves when they're not getting their way, another statistic in a low voter turnout is born, someone who won't bother voting because he doesn't believe it'll make a difference.
This world is made up of individual people. You can't secure world peace, but you can befriend instead of intimidate. You cant end gangs in schools, but you can make your friends feel safe and accepted. You can't end teen suicide, or pregnancy, or eating disorders, but you can fight like hell for your friends' self-images against a deadly media barrage and affirm the good and the beauty you see in them. You can't end poverty, but you can chose to do without an iPod or shop at Goodwill instead of Banana Republic, and give what you save to people who are dying so that we can maintain our "lifestyle." You can't save the world. But you can sure as heck teach middle school. (And engage in "long, drawn-out, stupid," society-modeling and, I hope to God life-changing, discussion on some wiki.)