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Fanstuff

I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--No Loafing 16:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

Let me mull this over with the other admins. There are a lot of options on the table. One option we don't want to entertain is to have fanstuff in the mix with the rest of the wiki. We'd like the wiki to be simply a knowledge-base of actual Homestar Runner knowledge. We've tossed around the idea of having a second wiki for fanstuff. Until we decide something, the best thing you can do is get a free site from Geocities, Tripod, or Angelfire and post a link to it from your User space. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 16:57, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
Just let me put HRWiki:Fanstuff on the main page. Too late. Now I did it. Do not say this is trolling.--No Loafing 18:39, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

Firefox

I agree with you all the way with Firefox. Once I tried it, I never use Internet Explorer anymore. It's great. Thanks for leading me to Firefox. -- FireBird

You're very welcome, FireBird. I'm just glad to see another internet user happy with his browsing experience. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 09:47, 6 Oct 2004 (MST)
Come to think of it, im happy too.--24.117.185.111 13:52, 24 Oct 2004 (MST) (PS subpages work on mediawiki)
We are aware that subpages work (and have been since installing MediaWiki). A mutual decision was made by the admins to disallow them. If you have questions, feel free to send me an email. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 10:40, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)
I too have switched to Firefox after coming here, and couldn't be happier. Thanks. --Thunderbird 20:03, 16 Nov 2004 (MST)
I hate to be a disagreer, but unfortuntely I hated Firefox. The browser was much more complicated to use, and many images, graphics and other features were blocked. I prefer IE.-- Posted by: -erson Talk 00:54, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

A better way

I've noticed y'all linking to other Mediawiki links by using URL's. But you don't need to do that. Do this instead: [[Wiki's name | That wiki's article]] Do that instead of using the URL link next time! - No Loafing (PS i didnt link my name because those buttons aren't up. Could you put them back?) (PPS I am still on the wiki by surprise)

Thanks for the tip. That's a good idea. I'm not sure why no one noticed that yet. And thanks for hanging out on the wiki. I'm not sure why the buttons weren't displaying for you. They are still up. I never use the button though. You can insert the signature by tying four tilde's (~) in a row. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 11:25, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

Respond

I understand. I wasn't offended. I didn't know at first, and you are correct. I was one of the users on the old wiki. Thanks for reminding me. Happy 17:47, 19 Nov 2004 (EST)

Thanks!

I just wanted to say thanks for noticing that I'm new to the wiki. I've contributed quite a bit, and I'm glad to see people here are so friendly. --oddtodd 22:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

We really are glad to have you aboard. Looks like you've already offered some great ideas for our wiki moving forward with standards, etc. Keep up the good work! — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 13:18, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Riddle

Here's a riddle for ya: Q. What has homestar runner information, a connection with the fans, immediate updates, and a democratic style?

A. This wiki

Banned Words

I was wondering... Have you ever tried to edit the PHP code on this site to check for certain words and not allow a change if those words are found? I think this type of code could really help the mods. -Your Fuzzy God

STUFF and Fun Facts

As you may have read I have an issue with the STUFF page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like Wikipedia:History of Israel can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article virus can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the STUFF page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:This article contains Disputed Fun Facts

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that furrykef wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

Silhouettes

I know this has been mentioned on the Main Page talk, but I just wanted to say the silhouettes of the characters look really good on the Main Page. --oddtodd 14:43, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

  • Second. They are a nice addition to the wiki - really cool. So cool, you don't even know [that they are] cool. Good jorb. --The Paper

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome. One of these days I plan to really boost my involvement here. Until then - great site. --Frog 12:50, 21 Dec 2004 (MST)

Oldschool Wiki

You need to reopen the Old, Tavi wiki. I'm trying to transfer something.--69.92.100.220 14:05, 22 Jan 2005 (MST) (This is No Loafing)

old.hrwiki.org is still open. You many encounter problems because it still runs Tavi. I'm sure you remember how that used to stress the poor database when it ran the site. -- Tom 14:25, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

"Warning: mysql_connect(): Lost connection to MySQL server during query in /home/hrwiki/public_html/old/lib/db.php on line 17
Error connecting to database." Er...

Once again: remember how poorly Tavi handled the database? Apparently you cause enough of a database load to throw errors. Just wait a while and they will go away. There's nothing we can do. That's why we changed the software to MediaWiki. And please remember to sign your comments correctly on talk pages by using the tilde shortcut. (~~~~) Thanks. -- Tom 21:41, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

Thank You Page And Subsequent Donation Links Name

This may be kinda a sticky question, but is there any way I could be directly reffered to as Thunderbird on the Ledger, ect? I generally like to just have a certain annonymity on the internet, but the main reason is the Google search. I Googled myself today out of boredom, and the donations page came up first. This may sound kinda silly and childish, but I would rather that should anyone else google me, namely family or friends, they not find out that I donated such a large ammount to such a seemingly pointless cause. Probably just my first name would also work, but Thunderbird is preffered. Would this be possible? Thanks, [[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]] 19:45, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I hope Joey doesn't mind me stepping in; I changed the name to just "Thunderbird", as Joey has previous expressed to the mods that he would list people under their real name unless they request otherwise. — InterruptorJones[[]] 20:48, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
Thanks man. I hate to nitpick, but there's still a couple on the ledger page. Thanks, [[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]] 22:22, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
Fixed. -- Tom 09:35, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
Could my name (Kevin Graham) be changed to a link to my user page (The Paper) on the aforementioned pages (Ledger and Thank You page). I included my username and such request in the "comments" of the payment, but with as many donations as there were around the time I sent mine, I can see why Joey might have overlooked it. Much appreciated! --The Paper 14:25, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Fun Fact Confirmation Committee (FFCC)

There are soo many incorrect fun facts out there that I think we need a committee divoted to removing said facts. Just by looking arround the random pages makes me want to hurl a brick through my screen. And, once these facts are removed someone just resertes them. Not only that, but people are removing fun facts that are perfectly acceptible. Its annoying! Even the Stuff page doesnt work well. Thus, I propose this committie to have power over what facts stay and what goes. They are given a protocol, and if a fact passes the protocol than committie confirms the fun fact (perhaps by typing confirmed and signing) and removing/stuffing fun fact (maybe put "rejected/stuffed by FFCC" in the comment section) so that way some one has a final word on these fun facts. What does everyone think? -- Posted by: -erson Talk 18:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, first off I think you should sign your talk page posts. Second, don't you think this question would be more appropriately asked on the STUFF talk page? If you really want this to happen, Firebird, you need to rally community support. I can't and won't make any executive decisions about things like this. That said, I don't have a problem with a fun fact committee. In fact, I like the committee scheme because it helps people feel useful and needed in our community.
I have my own ideas about fixing fun facts, though, and I'm not sure a committee's going to do it. I've been a quiet advocate of STUFFing the STUFF page and moving fun fact discussions to the talk page for the appropriate articles. On the real crazy toons and emails, perhaps we could have a boilerplate that says something like "Please check the discussion page before adding or removing any fun facts." That's my two cents, and two cents is about all it's worth around here. wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:05, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just popping in to say that Firebird did not write this, it was -erson. Aurora the Homestar Coder 18:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I did sign it, but it was removed... Or maybe I didn't? Oh I cant rmeember. Neway, its signed now. So sorry.-- Posted by: -erson Talk 18:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Account Removal

Can I politely ask you to delete my H*RWiki Forum Account? (it's "BurninatorBoombox") I don't want to have two, and I really need to get more involved in the Wiki business. Thanks, MK and/or BurnBox 03:41, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

New Main Page Mockup

Wow. It's like... A mini-wikipedia! Well I sort of like it, but I do like having all the catergories right at a click, including the Wiki stuff, Inside Jokes, ect. Also Quote of the Week, Sketchbook, and Weekly fanstuff are kinda left out. I don't know, to tell you the truth. I do like the featured article idea, but how exactly would that work? Would we have to add the first paragraph or two by hand, or would it be automatic somehow? I like the H*R updates easily there, and a few fun facts would be kinda... well.. fun. Yea, I like it. My main concern is that we're loosing a bunch of the main page shortcuts to pages. Overall though, I think a change would be a good thing to look forward to. Thunderbird 02:34, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm certainly not stubborn about the way the categories were done. Drhaggis has some better category schemes on his userpage. I'm certainly open to additional suggestions. wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 22:53, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Btw, what's with the article? Is it just jibberish, or is it a different language? And if so, why? Also, is there a future plan to replace current main page with said mockup? If so, at what time? Thanks. Thunderbird 03:20, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Lorem ipsum. -- Tom 03:34, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes, or as I prefer to call it, Lipsum. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 02:53, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

CSS3 fix

Hi there. I think a[href = "http://www.homestarrunner.com"] {color:green !important;} should fix things for you. For some reason a:visited {color: #5a3696;} takes precedence if the former doesn't have the !important. -- Tom 03:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, I just barely thought of that before I read your post. Great minds think alike. Thanks, Tom. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Holy moly, that png is a cool idea. Good work! -- Tom 14:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, it's kinda fun. The one thing I'm dissappointed about is it only works in Firefox. Wish I could get it to work in IE, but there are already a few other link stylings that only work in Firefox. For instance, email links look like any other external link in IE. They don't get the cute little envelope image. Something I just thought of: should the h*r image go after the link? Or is it okay before the link like it is now? Seems like putting it after the link would be more correct, since it would be following the established precedent. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 15:38, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
I think before the link is fine. And too bad for those peeps that use IE, they just won't have the pretty icon. It's not like the icon is necassary for the wiki to function correctly for them. -- Tom 17:00, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Talk Link/Main Page

Hi Joey, just wondering why your talk link in your sig isn't linked. Is it on purpose? Also, can I expect to see a new main page shortly, or is that jump still a ways away? Thunderbird 01:00, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki is smart enough not to create self-referencing links. If you look at my sig somewhere else it has the link, but when I sign a post on this page, MediaWiki automagically removes the link. Pretty slick. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:03, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
And about the main page, I dunno. We still need to flesh out what links it will have and if we need to build a new "browse" page of some sort. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 04:05, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

New Committees / STUFF Reform

Is it alright if we start new committees? I was directed by FireBird to talk it over with you. In particular this would be something of a club that got together to do things together for the benefit of the wiki as a whole. -- The Real Zajac 15:55, 10 May 2005 (PDT)

What kind of committee will it be? I have no problem with any new committees. You should be seeking community support, not JoeyDay support. :) — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 23:49, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
A committee to monitor the STUFF'd pages, mostly. What I really want to do is add it to the Stick --The Real Zajac 00:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
Sounds like a great idea. What's going on with STUFF anyway? I've been out of the loop on that for a while now. I heard there's talk of disbanding it in favor of using talk pages. Is there pretty good community support behind that?
Seeing as how STUFF may get STUFF'd, the committee should really have a name that doesn't reflect the STUFF idea at all. Does that make sense? The name should be more appropriate to what the commitee will actually be doing. Perhaps "Fun Fact Review Committee"? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 03:24, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
If I may throw in my 2 cents, I'd be in favor of using the talk pages instead of a central STUFF page. As it is right now, it is too long (Clanky, too longgg!) and almost un-navigatable.
P.S. Thanks for the welcome note. Didn't know we had a welcoming comittee. And it has a special touch when the owner/admin gives you a personalized greeting. --Rgb9000 03:04, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
P.S.S. Sorry for turning your talk page into a huge STUFF discussion/debate. I was just trying to agree with you.
I disagree. Having a central STUFF page is vital to the success of keeping track of fun facts. In particular:
  1. If the votes were moved to their respective talk pages, I strongly believe that few users—even the more savvy ones—would be able to scour the recent changes page enough to keep up with what facts were being voted on and where, especially considering that facts on the STUFF page aren't limited to just the newest H*R updates.
  2. On the other hand, a central STUFF location lets a user check just one page and make several votes on different facts at the same time.
  3. A casual voter can check the page as little as once a week and still remain current and influential. Which is what we want in a wiki—the more input, the better.
  4. A side effect of the page is that it makes it easy to get to know the personalities in our community.
With that in mind, however, I'm not saying the STUFF page couldn't use reform. Yes, it's long. Yes, it's disorganized. And yes, it could use some formatting improvements, but that's because it's still relatively young. It's experiencing growing pains. With a little effort, I believe these things can be fixed over time. — It's dot com 18:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but does EVERY SINGLE PERSON who visits the wiki HAVE TO vote on EVERY SINGLE THING that is being stuffed????? It seems to me the talk pages are a better idea, because only when there are too many fun facts should even 1 be considered for deletion. "Virus" was out of hand, therefore it was the spawning point for stuff. Pages that have only a handful of fun facts should never have any content removed in my opinion. --Rgb9000 00:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Hey, Joey. I've got a page I'd like you to check out. User:It's dot com/STUFF reform. It took me a long time to create it, and I would value your input. (You can use the talk page there.) Thanks. — It's dot com 04:59, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I have overhauled my design (just the code, not the look). It is a vast improvement. Plus, the signatures are fixed and there's a new method for revisions. Do you mind taking another look at it? ...Regarding your page, I originally thought about having a two-column format for the arguments, but after trying it I don't think it's as easy to read as a full-width format (especially if the window size is small or the arguments are one-sided). — It's dot com 20:55, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
By the way, we were both editing my talk page at the same time, and so I copied and pasted some of your comments into my revised page to resolve the edit conflict. But part of your comments were in a section that I was removing because of the new version. I just wanted you to know that I didn't mean anything bad by that. — It's dot com 21:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey Joey, it's Dot com. Aurora was wondering whether I was ever going to move forward with my idea to fix up STUFF, and I decided I should. In order to get community approval for my idea, I want to set up a transition page where people can practice the new format before it goes live. Work out the bugs and whatnot. To do that, I think I need to insert a couple of items on the master style sheet page. I asked Aurora whether she could help me or whether I should ask you directly, and she referred me to you. If you would, please see the discussion at the bottom of her talk page. Thanks. {Never mind this for now.}It's dot com 04:16, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Need Some Validation?

Oh no, I've been VALIDATE'D!!! Actually, thanks alot. I was already planning to switch to the web friendly color code mode quite soon, but that was just the push I needed to get it done. And the old-monitor-friendly meathod is a good idea, which doesn't change it that much at all. Similarly, the little arrow things, I'm glad you figured out how to fix the '?' problem. Thanks for going to so much trouble for my sig. So... Here it is. What do you think? Thunderbird (Btw, are my old sigs okay how they are, or would you rather I replace them with my new one if I see them?)

Wow, great sig, my friend! You're very welcome for the help. I'm glad you could understand my poorly-written instructions well enough to put them into practice. Your old sigs should be fine where they are; I don't want you to go to any trouble. I might start replacing them myself on prominent pages, and you're certainly free to replace them wherever you find them if you're up to it, but I won't twist your arm. Thanks for keeping the wiki clean with web standards (not to mention keeping the wiki itself with all your donations). You're a model citizen in my book. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 14:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Hm, in replacing your sig on this page, I just realized how long the code is. Can I give you one more suggestion? Have you noticed how I do my own sig? It's actually a template, which means it takes up very little space in the code and I can change it in one place as often as I want. You basically just create a sub-page to your user page (mine is at User:JoeyDay/sig). Then you can include it on a page with {{User:JoeyDay/sig}}. Put that code in the nickname box on your preferences window, and you're good to go. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 14:29, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Say, now that's clever. — It's dot com 16:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Wow, that IS clever. I didn't like how long it was either, but I couldn't really think of any way to fix it. That's just the solution I was looking for. I'll get right on it, thanks. Thunderbird 01:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
There, done. One more bonus to this you didn't meantion, when editing you sig you can see the whole code in one place, on the template page (while editing). Otherwise you only get to see about two dozen characters at a time on your preferences page. Thunderbird 01:07, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Preference Question

Btw, at the top of my preference page it says that my 'internal ID number is 86'. What's that for? Is that the order I created an account here? Thunderbird 01:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

That's the theory. The internal ID increments by 1 for each new user. I don't understand a whole lot about SQL, so I can't say for sure if your number might be off by one or two in either direction, but it should be pretty trustworthy as a round figure. Someone with more knowledge of PHP and SQL might be able to help you understand auto-incrementing ID numbers. Sorry I can't be more specific. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 14:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Yep, Joey's got it right. The numbering almost certainly starts at 0 (i.e. my number is 2, so I was actually the third to sign up). If a user account got deleted, that would leave a "hole" in the ordering, but MySQL doesn't fill in those holes with new accounts and I doubt MediaWiki does, either, so it's a pretty good indicator of where you are in the grand scheme of things. — InterruptorJones 17:37, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, Jones. Holes from deleted accounts were exactly the kind of exeption I wasn't sure about. (It makes sense that the holes shouldn't be filled in. If a user down the road requested a certain record and was handed the wrong thing, that could easily cause confusion.) However, it appears as though — and I vaguely remember — I made some changes to our database very early on. My interal ID is 1 (meaning we didn't start at zero), and there is no user with an internal ID of 5. So, even though Thunderbird's internal ID is 86, he was actually the 85th user to sign up on the wiki since we switched to MediaWiki. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:50, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks guys. One more question. Is there a place with a list of all the ID numbers in order, so you can see who signed up when? Thunderbird 01:02, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Not currently, but I'll add that to my todo list. It shouldn't be too hard to build something that scrapes the database and pulls everyone out in order. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 02:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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