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::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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::::Yeah, this has gone '''way too far'''. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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Homestar's teeth

HOMESTAR HAS TEETH!!!!! WHAT IS THE WERLD COMING TOOO???????!!!!--Homfrog 11:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I thought it was cute. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Whyyyy??

It seems like every new e-mail nowadays has a little part of an e-mail that I sent- but mine never really gets answered! Like, a while ago, I sent Strong Bad an email about getting a talkshow- now he has one? Ahhh!!! » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, I did ask him about a theme song once... however, it was a personal theme song, and before Strong Bad is a Bad Guy came out (which sorta answered the question.) And I asked him a question relating to alternate universes, but again, it wasn't really related to the 'toon in question when I asked it. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Strong Bad gets 3000 emails a day, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chances are pretty high that they get questions about theme songs every other day. Loafing 12:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
wall street journal??!!??, who cares about what some funny guy with the last name street thinks, and why are you reading his journal anywho? csours 13:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I know. It's just aggrivating. And, Csours- I care about it, because I just happen to like the Wall Street Journal. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Wally street is perhaps the coolest guy i ever met. and its his fault for publishing his journal in the first place!-- Jhonka

Strong Bad e-mail will be right back...

The person who said Strong Bad e-mail will be right back after these messages was clearly not Mike or Matt or Missy. Could it have been Jackie? » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Jackie whom? Ppk01 11:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Jackie Chapman, of course (there is a search bar for one to utilize) <3 . —BazookaJoe 12:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like the same voice as Nibbles, at any rate. Probably Matt or Mike sped up digitally. Octan 12:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

After a brief listen to the seniorprom outtake, I think that it was Missy, without being 100% sure.Lord-z 12:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounded like Missy/Marzy to me. —NFITC1talk 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what I thought, but isn't Marzi's voice a bit more 'squeaky'? If you know what I mean... User:InvaderJem
Homestar and Strong Bad are done by the same voice actor, but sound almost nothing alike. I don't think it was meant to be Marzipan, specifically, but probably Missy. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If you pitch-shift it down, it sounds similar to Mike... not exactly the same, but similar... the accent's a bit different though. --phlip TC 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Easter Egg

They only put in one easter egg. I'm letting them get away with this for one reason: There is NOTHING more fun than making The Cheat's tooth do the Shaheeeeeen effect.

Shaheen! --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

14 degrees below zero.

(degrees removed because they's there now)

also, the transcript says that the first guest is hilarity, i think he said celerity. because celerity would be funnier.
(rio grande comment also removed for the same reason)

csours 14:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Location, Location, Location

When Strong Bad says "south of the border flavor", wouldn't this mean the Free Country USA is above Canada? Nintendogs123

No, it means Strong Bad doesn't know his geography very well. — It's dot com 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
read the last thing i wrote, right above this. csours 15:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Dog thing- It's 'cause of how he says Ontario. Wit a Spainish accent. So there you go. Elvis 19:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Plus, if he was above Canada, he would be practically on the North pole, rending shortlessness, pool time, and Summer impossible.--The4swordImage:The4swordssigpicisbetterthanyours.PNG 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

And he wouldn't be in Free Country "USA". -Brightstar Shiner

Well, There Go My Hopes...

I sent in an email talking about theme songs to Strong Bad, and when it said "theme song" on the main page, my heart fricken skipped a beat. But alas, it wasn't mine. Dang you and your shiny last name Shaween! - Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifHomsar7(Hom · Sar)Image:Homsar-in-motion.gif

Inside References and the Trivia section

A great deal of the Inside References are referring to the credits. I put up a couple internal links in the credits, but should I move more of them? Or take them out and let Inside References continue to be huge?

Could Tim Timmers be a reference to Tip Tappers?

That hit the nail on the head

I really don't like the fact that many shows go to commercials right after the intro, then have this thing that tells you they'll be right back. You could've told us that before you went to commercials. Also, I don't like the distorted end credis and muted end song just to advertize what's next. Can't they wait until after the credits?

The one thing they didn't do was those annoying popup ads some TV shows seem to have nowadays. Retromaniac 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

They did that with Walking with Trogdor in myths & legends.— Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Senor Cardgage wearing a hat

This is the first time we see Senor Cardgage wearing a hat. He looks like a rascal wearing a backwards cap and glasses; course, he's always wearing glasses. —Brian Barbera 20:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

First Homestar teeth sighting

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this the first time we see his teeth? We put marzipan's first teeth-sighting in whatever article that was, so i think we should do it for homestar too. --Tyler 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Uh, check the Trivia section. It's been up there for a while... --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

NOLA connection

Probably unnotable for the main page, but it's interesting that both the Nevilles and the Marsalises are native to New Orleans. Thought I'd just mention it here. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

While we're at it: This is a reference to the Neville brothers how? Just because they're musicians and their name is "Neville"? I don't get it. Loafing 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
They're quite famous here in the U.S. (especially Aaron), and their style is the same kind of pop ballad as the theme song. — It's dot com 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, convinced :-)  Loafing 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I might add that I have had the opportunity to play with members of each family (Charles and Delfeayo respectively) but that's certainly not notable on the main page! Still, it's kind of cool. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
sounds cool to me. you from norlans? csours 14:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Tiny toon adventures

I am 100% sertaint that the anounser describing the cheat comandos is the same line from the themes song from Tiny Toon adventures. Im gonna add this once the editin gdies down. Cessna Man! 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in Real World References. - Image:TinySaturn2.GIF Saturn 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yah, I saw that right after I posted this. My bad.

Cessna Man! 22:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Fact Merge

  1. In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves.
  2. The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw Trogdor again – one of the commonly sent emails that will not be answered.

We could probably merge that into one, seeing as they are both emails that will not be answered (explaining how Strong Bad types with his boxing gloves and redoing an old e-mail). My suggestion: "Seeing how Strong Bad types with his boxing glove, and an e-mailer asking Strong Bad to redo an e-mail are both examples of e-mails that will never be answered". Somebody better at Wikipedianese will have to rewrite that. Swimma Dan 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Strong Bad typing with boxing gloves on is not a reference to emails asking him about it. It's simply what he does.  Loafing 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
This does not actually show how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. It merely shows that he does. If you watch a magician saw a woman in half, it doesnt show how he does it, only that he "did". -JamesDean
Then the fact is still wrong, because it says we see how, but in actuality we just see that he does. Swimma Dan 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
is this the first time weve seen sb type with glove on from the side? the other times have been from his perspective, i think.. csours 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Super Bad

I just wondeling, is the way Johnathan Shaheen adresses SB a reference to superbad.com?--The4swordImage:The4swordssigpicisbetterthanyours.PNG 01:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It's arguable that since it was the email writer who made a possible reference, not TBC, it's a moot point, and it's not worth noting. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
More: A writer from Ontario making a reference to a California graphic designer's website on The Strong Bad Email Show? Nah... doesn't work for me. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
that is one weird website tho. csours 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Get Your Degree

I tried to go to www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/ and got nothing. Someone (preferably the brothers Chaps, but really any of us) needs to do something about that. Or did I mistype?-- Point7Q 02:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

.edu addresses are only available to actual educational institutions. --Maxamegalon2000 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Interestingly, if you replace .edu with .com, you get redirected to a real-estate website. — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 15:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Uh, no. When I went to http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ I got exactly the same website shown in the sbemail: "ebsite Coming Soon(ish)!". Maybe someone should put this reference in the article?
if you view it in firefox (my version anyway) you only see the black letters, no colors. csours 18:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I found a link to this page hidden in the exclamation mark after "Soon(ish)". It's just Senor Cardgage's degree list. A Whois lookup reveals that the site is not registered to TBC. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The lighter side of fun facts

Should the Mad magazine or the sports show reference be the one used? There are four possible votes.

  • Mad, as it's more prevalent
  • Sports show, as it's a closer match to title
  • Both, as there are arguments for both
  • Neither, TTATOT

Thoughts? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The sports show's title is a perfect match. And I believe TBC have made many more sports references than MAD references. So I think the sports show is definitely the winner here. I also believe it should be included, as most non-Americans won't have heard of the show (like me). Loafing 04:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I am an American, and I've never heard of the sports show. But my friends and I all read Mad. I think we need more voices. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 09:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Casper Theme

I feel the first theme song sounds more like the theme song to the original "Casper" cartoon than the Barney Theme... or is this my imagination? "Casper, the friendly ghost..." --Tempestryder

  • I can kind of hear the Casper similarity, but honestly I think it just has a generic sing-song tone. I removed the Barney reference. Danny Lilithborne 07:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Degrees of Separation

Since the degrees cgnu online offers are already listed in the entry for Crazy go Nuts University, we should simply link to them here. *_Aaron_*

Spelling of "Gip"

Hi,

Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp (and to be fair also see http://www.answers.com/topic/gip)

Will you allow my edit of theme song to stick now?

Thanks 198.49.180.40 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I see your comment in the themesong page. Why don't you note that what SB typed is a mis-spelling? Other transcripts do that. "Gyp" is a slur, related to Gypsies' reputation as thieves. That's why "gyp" is the correct spelling. 198.49.180.40 00:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
You do realise that the first link you gave [1] says that it's also spelled "gipped"? Loafing 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Sure. But the second [2] doesn't say anything about it (this meaning). "Gip" is obviously not considered a canonical spelling of this particular term by the American Heritage Dictionary, but variant instead. Why don't we add it to the transcript with the note about SB's variant spelling? 198.49.180.40 8 August 2006 (UTC)
That first link you gave is GIP in all caps. Did you see this article [3]? Variants are not misspellings, and are not really important to note. So makey outy 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It is also questionable that "gyp" really is a slur (see the Wiktionary, though as we discovered earlier today, "gip" is actually not present there for some reason.) We had this discussion earlier today. At any rate, Strong Bad actually types the word "gipped", and according to our Manual of Style, what Strong Bad types is what we type, whether misspelled, nonsensical, or contrary to what he actually says (though in that last case, we also note what he actually says.) --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 00:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
That's why I didn't put the slur under "Fun Facts" - I know lots of people would howl about it. 198.49.180.40 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[It's clear]. Maybe not to lots of people in general, especially Americans, but it's not imaginary. 198.49.180.40 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Even if we accept it, why does it matter to the topic at hand? Many dictionaries accept "gip" as a viable alternative. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Citations, please? 198.49.180.40 01:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Why? I believe it's notable. Want me to find examples of SBEmail transcripts where similar things were noted? I'm only trying to note the spelling issue, not the slurring issue. That doens't belong in the transcript, but instead in Trivia or something. 198.49.180.40 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
[4] [5] [6] --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then it would be a valid precedent. So makey outy 01:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then I will happily remove it there too, 'cause I really don't think variants are notable. --phlip TC 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
could i just say that gypsy type persons are not actually from egypt, and much prefer to be called roma. csours 14:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
As you say, "Gypsy" all by itself is a slur, or at best insensitive. "Gyp" is a DOUBLE slur, then, as you clearly noted in your reference to stealing children (editlog comment). I'd say the verdict is in: this will make a KILLER Fun Fact. 198.49.180.40 19:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Don't delete it, STUFF it (Roma Fun Fact: Real World References)

JAY:

Do you have some specific agenda against this subject, or, do you just not think the Fun Fact is true or notable?

It's not fair for you to take it upon yourself to determine its validity. Please either put it back or STUFF it so all can weigh in.

FYI everybody else:

Jay deleted the following from Real World References in Fun Facts.

  • "Gipped" is a reference to the Roma ethnic group, who have been stereotyped for centuries as "thieving Gypsies".

198.49.180.40 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

We've discussed it three ways to Thursday already. Not only is it of questionable veracity, but we don't need to explain the meanings of common words on this Wiki. I mean, we don't create facts like: "A Tire is a round rubber wheel commonly placed on vehicles" on the Tire page, do we? --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Why didn't you comment when I said I'd add this, instead of lurking, waiting to pounce to delete it? You win the edit war for now, because I won't continue it, but for you to participate in the discussion would have been way more classy. 198.49.180.40 19:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Besides: You are wrong. This hasn't been discussed however many ways to whatday. This is a Fun Fact proposal. What we discussed before was the Transcript and the spelling, not the reference or the notability of ethnic slurs on the part of H*R characters and authors. Again: Please STUFF this. 198.49.180.40 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Crap the what? Lurking?! I did no such thing! I simply saw a new edit on Special:Recentchanges, decided it didn't work on the page, and reverted it. I didn't even look to see who added it! Next of all, your attacks toward me are unappreciated. And, no, I will not STUFF this. I don't see a reason to. No one else that I've seen supports adding this fact, at least not with the fever pitch you are supporting it with. If someone else with a user name decides that it's STUFFable, then they can, but I won't. You're really not in a position to make demands of me, you know. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
So, Jay: Am I to understand that when you deleted this, you had not seen this? 198.49.180.40 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
That would be a fair assessment, yes. Though I question where you got the idea that "the verdict [was] in" that it was such a "KILLER" fact, given that I saw no consensus of the fact, since I did not see said edit, I did not personally respond. Frankly, I didn't even know the discussion had been moved off of my Talk page. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 22:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, I have to say that I did agree with you, 198.49.180.40, until I read the Wiktionary link. The connection may be notable if "gyp" really is a racial slur, but since it's questionable that "gyp" is derived from "Gypsies", there's nothing solid enough to form into a fun fact. Trey56 20:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
So, WHY does "gyp" mean stealing or fraud, if it's NOT derived from that stereotype? Where DOES it come from? 198.49.180.40 20:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you, Jay, but when I read your posts, the always seem to have a negative and rude air about them. Calm down, dude. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
He's been pushing this down my throat (and, to a lesser, degree, other people's throats, but he's singled me out specifically) since yesterday, ignoring all evidence against his viewpoint, and today he's attacking me directly by saying that I was "lurking" on the page and "pouncing" on his edit, and it's my posts that have a rude air about them. I hope you can understand if I'm a bit miffed by his attitude. As for his question, a possible etymology is discussed through a page linked on the Wiktionary. For all the references I've seen, they say the gypsy link is likely, but not that there's any evidence of it besides a spelling similarity. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I have utterly, completely conceded to you on the SPELLING issue. That's NOT stuffing anything down anyone's throat. You WON that one, I'm DONE with it. NOW: regarding the Fun Fact, YOU are the one whose tactics evoke an editwar. Not only have you NOT chosen to discuss your knee-jerk, lightning-fast reverts, you have slandered me when forced inoto a discussion. I say again: STUFF it, don't delete it. Why can't you STUFF it? A reasonable person would STUFF it when disagreement on a Fun Fact comes up. I don't have anything to say about Cutepetsrus's accusation of rudeness. Leave me out of that please - it's not my fight. 198.49.180.40 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not slandering you - my beef is that you DID force me into a discussion, and then you accused me (and still are accusing me!) of actions I did not take. If you want it STUFFed so badly, then create a user name and STUFF it. I'm not stopping you from doing that. I'll vote against it if you do, but I'm not standing in your way. (Someone will delete it if you don't create a user name; that's required of STUFF participants.) Often, Fun Facts get comments like "This is really Talk page material," for detractors, which is how I see this debate. Now then, my "lightning fast revert" was me seeing a new edit on Recent Changes, looking at it, noticing that it was an issue that is pretty much cleared up among all of the regulars, and reverting it. The regulars on this Wiki do things like that all the time. You are taking this way too personally - I would have no problem with you if not for all the yelling at me, but we've already discussed this fact (it came up once before you joined in) and decided against. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Where is that discussion, which you claim the "regulars" already had? It's not on this page. If you're gonna have a secret committee deciding this stuff, don't be surprised or selfrighteous when someone who didn't read the entire editlog comment history puts up something your Star Chamber already nixed. 198.49.180.40 21:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It's in the History of the main article page. I'm not accusing you of being stupid or ignorant or whatever for not reading it; my point isn't that you didn't read it. If you didn't read it, you didn't read it. My point is that it happened. Thus, if you made the edit once, it was forgivable. Understandable, even. And, okay, I thought I had brought it up in the previous conversation (see above); apparently, I was mistaken in that, because I don't see it, and I'm sorry for that. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it only makes sense to mention that "gipped" is an ethnic slur if we believe that the Brothers Chap did mean it that way. But as the annony said himself, this meaning might not be obvious to Americans, i.e. the Brothers Chap. Furthermore, they also used the less obvious "gipped" instead of "gypped", giving us even less reason to believe they meant it that way. I myself am not willing to accuse them of ethnic slander on the basis of such brittle assumptions. Loafing 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree. It makes sense to mention it because it's a point of cultural significance, not because TBC know it's a slur or meant it as such. Furthermore it's an opportunity to educate. I'm not accusing anyone of insensitivity, I'm trying to bring it to light so ignorance isn't perpetuated. If my kid followed Strong Bad's example, I'd want him to know what he's really saying. Same with anyone who reads hrwiki.org. Believe me, countless Fun Facts are far less "notable" and far, far, far more obvious. And this would not be the first Fun Fact that TBC might not have known about. Far from it - accepted, notable Fun Facts are full of stuff that they didn't think of ahead of time. Of course, they're also full of stuff they did think of. 198.49.180.40 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Jay, Trey56, Cute Pets R Us, and Loafing. The fact is it's very unlikely that TBC meant an ethnic slur. I have grown up with this word my whole life and didn't know until very recently (when I needed to know how to spell it) that it had any (possible) connection whatsoever with gypsies. If they didn't mean it other than the standard "swindled", then it's just not notable what the etymology is. Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a dork all the time, but we don't for a second believe that TBC are referring to the real meaning of that word. — It's dot com 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --Jay v.2020 (Talk) 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, this has gone way too far. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. » c u t e p e t s r u s « T/C 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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