Editing Talk:theme song

==Homestar's teeth==
HOMESTAR HAS TEETH!!!!! WHAT IS THE WERLD COMING TOOO???????!!!!--{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:I thought it was cute. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Well, that's just beacause you think eyerything's cute hence your name. I however think it's very creepy 
<s>beacause I think everything's creepy, hence my name</s>. {{User:Stongbah/sig}} 17:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Homestar has teeth, and that's weird...but am I the only one that noticed that <b>Strong Mad's and Homestar Runners </b> teeth are drawn in ALMOST the same way? (Strong Mad's teeth are somewhat bigger.}

It freaked me out too when I saw his teeth it was funny when he ate a lightbulb sandwich though - [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 18:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==Whyyyy??==
It seems like every new e-mail nowadays has a little part of an e-mail that I sent- but mine never really gets answered! Like, a while ago, I sent Strong Bad an email about getting a talkshow- now he has one? Ahhh!!! {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Well, I did ask him about a theme song once... however, it was a ''personal'' theme song, and before [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] came out (which sorta answered the question.) And I asked him a question relating to [[alternate universe]]s, but again, it wasn't really related to the 'toon in question when I asked it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Strong Bad gets 3000 emails a day, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chances are pretty high that they get questions about theme songs every other day.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::wall street journal??!!??, who cares about what some funny guy with the last name street thinks, and why are you reading his journal anywho?{{User:Csours/sig}} 13:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, I know. It's just aggrivating. And, Csours- ''I'' care about it, because I just happen to like the Wall Street Journal. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Wally street is perhaps the coolest guy i ever met.  and its his fault for publishing his journal in the first place!-- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

==Strong Bad e-mail will be right back...==
The person who said Strong Bad e-mail will be right back after these messages was clearly not Mike or Matt or Missy. Could it have been Jackie? {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Jackie whom? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 11:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::[[Jackie Chapman]], of course (there is a search bar for one to utilize) <3 . &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:It sounds like the same voice as Nibbles, at any rate. Probably Matt or Mike sped up digitally. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 12:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

After a brief listen to the seniorprom outtake, I think that it was Missy, without being 100% sure.[[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 12:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Sounded like Missy/Marzy to me. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I thought, but isn't Marzi's voice a bit more 'squeaky'? If you know what I mean... [[User:InvaderJem]]

::: Homestar and Strong Bad are done by the same voice actor, but sound almost nothing alike. I don't think it was meant to be Marzipan, specifically, but probably Missy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If you pitch-shift it down, it sounds similar to Mike... not exactly the same, but similar... the accent's a bit different though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg ==

They only put in one easter egg. I'm letting them get away with this for one reason: There is NOTHING more fun than making The Cheat's tooth do the Shaheeeeeen effect.

:Shaheen! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== 14 degrees below zero. ==
(degrees removed because they's there now)
:also, the transcript says that the first guest is hilarity, i think he said celerity. because celerity would be funnier.
::(rio grande comment also removed for the same reason)
{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Location, Location, Location==

When Strong Bad says "south of the border flavor", wouldn't this mean the Free Country USA is above Canada? [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]
:No, it means Strong Bad doesn't know his geography very well. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::read the last thing i wrote, right above this.{{User:Csours/sig}} 15:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dog thing- It's 'cause of how he says Ontario. Wit a Spainish accent. So there you go. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 19:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Plus, if he was above Canada, he would be practically on the North pole, rending shortlessness, pool time, and Summer impossible.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:And he wouldn't be in Free Country "USA". -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

Well, darn. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]


Actually, this could refer to Windsor, Ontario, which is actually due south of its USA border with Detroit, Michigan.

== Well, There Go My Hopes... ==

I sent in an email talking about theme songs to Strong Bad, and when it said "theme song" on the main page, my heart fricken skipped a beat. But alas, it wasn't mine. Dang you and your shiny last name Shaween! - {{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Inside References and the Trivia section ==

A great deal of the Inside References are referring to the credits. I put up a couple internal links in the credits, but should I move more of them? Or take them out and let Inside References continue to be huge?
:Could Tim Timmers be a reference to Tip Tappers?
::What do you mean by reference?  [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]

==That hit the nail on the head==

I really don't like the fact that many shows go to commercials right after the intro, then have this thing that tells you they'll be right back. You could've told us that ''before'' you went to commercials. Also, I don't like the distorted end credis and muted end song just to advertize what's next. Can't they wait until after the credits?

The one thing they didn't do was those annoying popup ads some TV shows seem to have nowadays. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:They did that with ''Walking with Trogdor'' in [[myths & legends]].{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Senor Cardgage wearing a hat==

This is the first time we see [[Senor Cardgage]] wearing a hat. He looks like a rascal wearing a backwards cap and glasses; course, he's always wearing glasses. &mdash;[[User:Brian Barbera|Brian Barbera]] 20:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:He also looks younger with the hat. &mdash;[[User:2Fast2Furious|Ced]] 20:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

== First Homestar teeth sighting ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this the first time we see his teeth? We put marzipan's first teeth-sighting in whatever article that was, so i think we should do it for homestar too.  --[[User:TrogdorTSL|Tyler]] 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Uh, check the Trivia section. It's been up there for a while... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Homestars teeth look freaky to me. I hope we never see them again. [[User:Strongbad111|Strongbad111]]

== NOLA connection ==

Probably unnotable for the main page, but it's interesting that both the Nevilles and the Marsalises are native to New Orleans. Thought I'd just mention it here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:While we're at it: This is a reference to the Neville brothers how? Just because they're musicians and their name is "Neville"? I don't get it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::They're quite famous here in the U.S. (especially Aaron), and their style is the same kind of pop ballad as the theme song. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::OK, convinced :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I might add that I have had the opportunity to play with members of each family (Charles and Delfeayo respectively) but that's ''certainly'' not notable on the main page! Still, it's [[kind of cool]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::sounds cool to me. you from norlans?{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Tiny toon adventures ==

I am 100% sertaint that the anounser describing the cheat comandos is the same line from the themes song from Tiny Toon adventures.  Im gonna add this once the editin gdies down.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's already mentioned in Real World References.  {{User:Saturn/sig}} 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Yah, I saw that right after I posted this.  My bad. [[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Its not paraphrased, its a direct quote, gonna change it in a second {{unsigned|DumbMuscle|17:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)}}
::::It ''is'' paraphrased. The real lyrics go "We're tiny, we're toony" and the email goes "''they're'' tiny, ''they're'' toony". See [[Wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures#Theme Tune lyrics|Tiny Toon Adventures &rarr; Theme Tune lyrics]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fact Merge ==

# In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves.
# The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw Trogdor again – one of the commonly sent emails that will not be answered. 

We could probably merge that into one, seeing as they are both emails that will not be answered (explaining how Strong Bad types with his boxing gloves and redoing an old e-mail). My suggestion: "Seeing how Strong Bad types with his boxing glove, and an e-mailer asking Strong Bad to redo an e-mail are both examples of e-mails that will never be answered". Somebody better at Wikipedianese will have to rewrite that. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad typing with boxing gloves on is not a reference to emails asking him about it. It's simply what he does. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:This does not actually show how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on.  It merely shows that he does.  If you watch a magician saw a woman in half, it doesnt show how he does it, only that he "did". -JamesDean

:Then the fact is still wrong, because it says we see how, but in actuality we just see that he does. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:is this the first time weve seen sb type with glove on from the side? the other times have been from his perspective, i think..{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:I am sure its the first time

::We see a silhouette of him typing from the side in [[The Interview]]. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 02:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

== Super Bad ==

I just wondeling, is the way Johnathan Shaheen adresses SB a reference to [http://www.superbad.com/ superbad.com]?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:It's arguable that since it was the email writer who made a possible reference, not TBC, it's a moot point, and it's not worth noting. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::More: A writer from Ontario making a reference to a California graphic designer's website on The Strong Bad Email Show? Nah... doesn't work for me. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::that is one weird website tho.{{User:Csours/sig}} 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Get Your Degree ==

I tried to go to [[www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/]] and got nothing. Someone (preferably the brothers Chaps, but really any of us) needs to do something about that. Or did I mistype?-- [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 02:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:.edu addresses are only available to actual educational institutions. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::Interestingly, if you replace .edu with .com, you get redirected to a real-estate website. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. When I went to http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ I got exactly the same website shown in the sbemail: "ebsite Coming Soon(ish)!". Maybe someone should put this reference in the article?
::::if you view it in firefox (my version anyway) you only see the black letters, no colors. {{User:Csours/sig}} 18:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I found a link to [http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ehome-html.html this page] hidden in the exclamation mark after "Soon(ish)". It's just Senor Cardgage's degree list. A [http://whois.domaintools.com/cgnuonline-eniversity.com Whois lookup] reveals that the site is not registered to TBC. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== The lighter side of fun facts ==

Should the Mad magazine or the sports show reference be the one used? There are four possible votes.

* Mad, as it's more prevalent
* Sports show, as it's a closer match to title
* Both, as there are arguments for both
* Neither, TTATOT

Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:The sports show's title is a perfect match. And I believe TBC have made many more sports references than MAD references. So I think the sports show is definitely the winner here. I also believe it should be included, as most non-Americans won't have heard of the show (like me).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am an American, and I've never heard of the sports show. But my friends and I all read Mad. I think we need more voices. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Here's an argument I presented in a summary, but not in talk: both are important to list because one is a precise title match BUT is only seen in 75% of the US. THe other we can safely assume is a very likely influence on TBC, but is a weaker match. As we don't know, it's foolish to asume it's one or the other. As an afterthought, it's also likelier than not this TV show's title was also inspired by the magazine feature, as the Berg cartoon series predates it by decades. I don't think there's a more responsible course of action but to list both as we have done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
::::An interesting thing is that at first, the Lighter Side feature in Mad would cover one topic (like hair, or love, or whatever) but then later switched to covering a bunch of topics at once. --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 03:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Casper Theme ==

I feel the first theme song sounds more like the theme song to the original "Casper" cartoon than the Barney Theme... or is this my imagination? "Casper, the friendly ghost..." --Tempestryder
*I can kind of hear the Casper similarity, but honestly I think it just has a generic sing-song tone.  I removed the Barney reference. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
== Degrees of Separation ==
Since the degrees cgnu online offers are already listed in the entry for Crazy go Nuts University, we should simply link to them here. *_Aaron_*
:I think the degrees should stay with the email. They don't take up that much space, and besides we already have the lists of credits. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Spelling of "Gip"==
Hi, 

Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp (and to be fair also see http://www.answers.com/topic/gip) 

Will you allow my edit of [[theme song]] to stick now? 

Thanks [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 

:I see your comment in the themesong page. Why don't you note that what SB typed is a mis-spelling? Other transcripts do that. "Gyp" is a slur, related to Gypsies' reputation as thieves. That's why "gyp" is the correct spelling. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40 00:24]], 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::You do realise that the first link you gave [http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp] says that it's also spelled "gipped"?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::Sure. But the second [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip] doesn't say anything about it (this meaning). "Gip" is obviously not considered a canonical spelling of this particular term by the American Heritage Dictionary, but variant instead. Why don't we add it to the transcript with the note about SB's variant spelling? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::::That first link you gave is GIP in all caps. Did you see this article [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip-1]? Variants are not misspellings, and are not really important to note. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::It is also questionable that "gyp" really is a slur (see the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]], though as we discovered earlier today, "gip" is actually not present there for some reason.) We had this discussion earlier today. At any rate, Strong Bad actually types the word "gipped", and according to our [[HRWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]], what Strong Bad types is what we type, whether misspelled, nonsensical, or contrary to what he actually says (though in that last case, we also note what he actually says.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::::That's why I didn't put the slur under "Fun Facts" - I know lots of people would howl about it. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::::[[http://www.google.com/search?q=gyp+roma+slur It's clear]]. Maybe not to lots of people in general, especially Americans, but it's not imaginary. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::::::Even if we accept it, why does it matter to the topic at hand? Many dictionaries accept "gip" as a viable alternative. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::::::Citations, please? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::::::Why? I believe it's notable. Want me to find examples of SBEmail transcripts where similar things were noted? I'm only trying to note the spelling issue, not the slurring issue. That doens't belong in the transcript, but instead in Trivia or something. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::::::::[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gip] [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/gip.html] [http://www.bartleby.com/61/16/G0131600.html] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then it would be a valid precedent. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
::::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then I will happily remove it there too, 'cause I really don't think variants are notable. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::could i just say that gypsy type persons are not actually from egypt, and much prefer to be called roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 14:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: As you say, "Gypsy" all by itself is a slur, or at best insensitive. "Gyp" is a DOUBLE slur, then, as you clearly noted in your reference to stealing children (editlog comment). I'd say the verdict is in: this will make a KILLER Fun Fact. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Don't delete it, STUFF it (Roma Fun Fact: Real World References) ==


JAY:

Do you have some specific agenda against this subject, or, do you just not think the Fun Fact is true or notable?

It's not fair for you to take it upon yourself to determine its validity. Please either put it back or STUFF it so all can weigh in.

FYI everybody else:

Jay deleted the following from Real World References in Fun Facts.

* "Gipped" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Roma_people#Roma_and_crime|Roma]] ethnic group, who have been stereotyped for centuries as "thieving Gypsies".

[[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
: We've discussed it three ways to Thursday already. Not only is it of questionable veracity, but we don't need to explain the meanings of common words on this Wiki. I mean, we don't create facts like: "A [[Wikipedia:Tire|Tire]] is a round rubber wheel commonly placed on vehicles" on the [[Tire]] page, do we? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Why didn't you comment when I said I'd add this, instead of lurking, waiting to pounce to delete it? You win the edit war for now, because I won't continue it, but for you to participate in the discussion would have been way more classy. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Besides: You are wrong. This hasn't been discussed however many ways to whatday. This is a Fun Fact proposal. What we discussed before was the Transcript and the spelling, not the reference or the notability of ethnic slurs on the part of H*R characters and authors. Again: Please STUFF this. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Crap the what? Lurking?! I did no such thing! I simply saw a new edit on [[Special:Recentchanges]], decided it didn't work on the page, and reverted it. I didn't even look to see who added it! Next of all, your attacks toward me are unappreciated. And, no, I will not STUFF this. I don't see a reason to. No one else that I've seen supports adding this fact, at least not with the fever pitch you are supporting it with. If someone else with a user name decides that it's STUFFable, then they can, but I won't. You're really not in a position to make demands of me, you know. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::So, Jay: Am I to understand that when you deleted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=354672&oldid=354664 this], you had not seen [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:theme_song&diff=354631&oldid=354626 this]? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::That would be a fair assessment, yes. Though I question where you got the idea that "the verdict [was] in" that it was such a "KILLER" fact, given that I saw no consensus of the fact, since I did not see said edit, I did not personally respond. Frankly, I didn't even know the discussion had been moved off of my Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: That's why I thought you were lurking in wait. I indicated my intentions, then got denied in short order in editwarrior fashion when I carried it out. Regarding your selfrighteous crabbing about me not seeing the History comments defining a previous "consensus" (of two persons) on that subject, I'd say you better start practicing what you preach: Read the discussions - not least, the Talk page of the article you're watchdogging. I gave fair warning before posting my Fun Fact. Even if I had not, you can discuss it in your edit comment with something more communicative than "'''m''' ''(Reverted edits by 198.49.180.40 (Talk); changed back to last version by 68.54.154.79)''". It makes you look like a robot at best, an undemocratic snob at worst. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 23:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Dude, chill. Don't get personal. If you don't know how the HRWiki works, then don't blame others for it. I would have reversed those edits myself if Jay hadn't been faster; there was nothing wrong with what Jay did. If you really want this fact to be mentioned, then create a user account and STUFF it. But don't dish out insults here. There's really nothing further to talk about on this talk page.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I have a "rollback" button to revert edits; that's what created the nonspecific "reverted" summary. I try not to overuse it, but sometimes I just don't feel like taking the three extra steps to go back to a previous version just to revert something that people are likely to delete anyway. I mostly use it for vandalism, but sometimes (like in this case) just for issues that have been discussed in the past anyway. I'm sorry that you feel that this is somehow a personal issue. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, I have to say that I did agree with you, 198.49.180.40, until I read the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]] link.  The connection may be notable if "gyp" really is a racial slur, but since it's questionable that "gyp" is derived from "Gypsies", there's nothing solid enough to form into a fun fact. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: So, WHY does "gyp" mean stealing or fraud, if it's NOT derived from that stereotype? Where DOES it come from? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I agree with you, Jay, but when I read your posts, the always seem to have a negative and rude air about them. Calm down, dude. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: He's been pushing this down my throat (and, to a lesser, degree, other people's throats, but he's singled me out specifically) since yesterday, ignoring all evidence against his viewpoint, and today he's attacking me directly by saying that I was "lurking" on the page and "pouncing" on his edit, and it's ''my'' posts that have a rude air about them. I hope you can understand if I'm a bit miffed by his attitude. As for his question, a possible etymology is discussed through a page linked on the Wiktionary. For all the references I've seen, they say the gypsy link is likely, but not that there's any evidence of it besides a spelling similarity. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: I have utterly, completely conceded to you on the SPELLING issue. That's NOT stuffing anything down anyone's throat. You WON that one, I'm DONE with it. NOW: regarding the Fun Fact, YOU are the one whose tactics evoke an editwar. Not only have you NOT chosen to discuss your knee-jerk, lightning-fast reverts, you have slandered me when forced inoto a discussion. I say again: STUFF it, don't delete it. Why can't you STUFF it? A reasonable person would STUFF it when disagreement on a Fun Fact comes up. I don't have anything to say about Cutepetsrus's accusation of rudeness. Leave me out of that please - it's not my fight. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC) 
:::::::::: I'm not slandering you - my beef is that you DID force me into a discussion, and then you accused me (and still are accusing me!) of actions I did not take. If you want it STUFFed so badly, then create a user name and STUFF it. I'm not stopping you from doing that. I'll vote against it if you do, but I'm not standing in your way. (Someone ''will'' delete it if you don't create a user name; that's required of STUFF participants.) Often, Fun Facts get comments like "This is really Talk page material," for detractors, which is how I see this debate. Now then, my "lightning fast revert" was me seeing a new edit on Recent Changes, looking at it, noticing that it was an issue that is pretty much cleared up among all of the regulars, and reverting it. The regulars on this Wiki do things like that all the time. You are taking this way too personally - I would have no problem with you if not for all the yelling at me, but we've already discussed this fact (it came up once before you joined in) and decided against. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Where is that discussion, which you claim the "regulars" already had? It's not on '''this''' page. If you're gonna have a secret committee deciding this stuff, don't be surprised or selfrighteous when someone who didn't read the entire editlog comment history puts up something your Star Chamber already nixed. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It's in the History of the main article page. I'm not accusing you of being stupid or ignorant or whatever for not reading it; my point isn't that you didn't read it. If you didn't read it, you didn't read it. My point is that it happened. Thus, if you made the edit once, it was forgivable. Understandable, even. And, okay, I thought I had brought it up in the previous conversation (see above); apparently, I was mistaken in that, because I don't see it, and I'm sorry for that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it only makes sense to mention that "gipped" is an ethnic slur if we believe that the Brothers Chap did mean it that way. But as the annony said himself, this meaning might not be obvious to Americans, i.e. the Brothers Chap. Furthermore, they also used the less obvious "gipped" instead of "gypped", giving us even less reason to believe they meant it that way. I myself am not willing to accuse them of ethnic slander on the basis of such brittle assumptions.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

: I don't agree. It makes sense to mention it because it's a point of cultural significance, not because TBC '''know''' it's a slur or '''meant''' it as such. Furthermore it's an opportunity to educate. I'm not accusing anyone of insensitivity, I'm trying to bring it to light so ignorance isn't perpetuated. If my kid followed Strong Bad's example, I'd want him to know what he's really saying. Same with anyone who reads hrwiki.org. Believe me, countless Fun Facts are far less "notable" and far, far, far more '''obvious'''. And this '''would not''' be the first Fun Fact that TBC might not have known about. Far from it - accepted, notable Fun Facts are '''full''' of stuff that they didn't think of ahead of time. Of course, they're also full of stuff they '''did''' think of. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Jay, Trey56, Cute Pets R Us, and Loafing. The fact is it's very unlikely that TBC meant an ethnic slur. I have grown up with this word my whole life and didn't know until very recently (when I needed to know how to spell it) that it had any (possible) connection whatsoever with gypsies. If they didn't mean it other than the standard "swindled", then it's just not notable what the etymology is. Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a dork all the time, but we don't for a second believe that TBC are referring to the real meaning of that word. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, this has gone '''way too far'''. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The fact remains: unless you (198 or anyone else) can provide a source to support your stance that "gypped" is derived from "gypsy", to counter the [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link that has been mentioned several times], then it's ''not'' going to be a Fun Fact... we just don't quote things as ''fact'' that are in question among academics. And no, a link like [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=gyp this one] that just says "probably short for Gypsy" doesn't count... it's just an assertion, no actual evidence, and it still restrains it with "probably". If you do find one then it'll probably go to STUFF, since it becomes just a purely "is this notable" debate, but before then it's a discussion of facts and belongs on a talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Here's a discussion on possible origins for the word "gyp": http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/634.html; it does appear that no one knows just how it came into useage. Odd, for such a relatively recent word. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 23:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::in regard to the discussion about the word gyp itself, 3 things: the roma came to europe in the 1500, 2. in regard to the servants at the college, they had to get their name from somewhere, possiply it is derived from gypsy itself. 3. gee-up, this is a stupid derivation. they just wanted to continue to use the word and have a non-racial derivation to continue to use it. 4. in regard for its use being recent, and localized to the united states, while the origin of the word gypsy is in england, there is a possible link to early silent films trying to sensationalize things by using contraversial stereotypes. 5. three my lord three!! {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Interesting. Can you cite sources? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::nope, not a bit. however, all of those sites list gyp as being 'probably' derived from gypsy, which DOES MEAN that gyp is related to the racial stereotype of gyspies in the public consciousness. well, at leat the public that is conscious of it... btw, do we have any instances of where tbc have changed a toon based on something a fansite wrote about it? {{User:Csours/sig}} 04:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Re number 2: I [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link to here once again], which says that it comes "from the obsolete French ''jupeau''." As for most sources listing it as "probably from ''gypsy''", Fun Facts with "probably" in them tend to get axed unless they are especially relevant to the toon... and this isn't. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::sry, i dont read french. also, i agree that this isnt relevent to the toon.{{User:Csours/sig}} 16:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:yea, if there was any kind of discussion in the email or toon about ethnicity or things like that, this might be a fun fact. as it is, i would consider it ttatot. i DO happen to think that gypped or gipped (as you cant discern a difference between the pronounciations in american english they are the same word to me) is a racial slur against the roma people, but i do not think it is in any way pertinent to the discussion of this email, as most people do not have any idea that there is a real group of people called gypsies or roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd just like to add my two cents here, it seems to me that it was not intended as a slur, and is pretty obscure entymology for a fun fact, and could set a bad precedent (to give a random example, having a later fact stating that hooligan is a word that is comparing the person to a career criminal from the 1890s [[wikipedia:Hooliganism|Hooliganism]] which would have equal validity to this fact) [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 20:23, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Based on the comedy of... ==

I don't think that's just a reference to Jerry Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure that phrase is used on and about other sitcoms centered around a character played by a stand up comedian; I know they say "based on the comedy of Ray Romano" in the credits of Everybody Loves Raymond, and I've heard the phrase "based on the comedy of Bernie Mac" used in regards to The Bernie Mac Show. And then they used the phrase "based on the comedy of Gollum" on Saturday Night Live in the credits of the fictional sitcom "A Hard Hobbit to Break". but that last one's just the cough of a metaphorically dying poster who realizes he only has two barely credible citations for his argument. Then again, these could just be a few isolated events and my comments shall be criticized until destruction. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:As I wrote that Fun Fact, let me respond. Yes, ELR uses a similar credit. But this credit happens as Strong Bad is in front of a red brick wall. That's a direct reference to ''Seinfeld'', clearly. Why then would the credit be a generic reference when it's deliberately coupled with a specific one? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've also heard the phrase used for "Home Improvement", "Lucky Louie", "Schimmel", "Everybody Hates Chris", "The George Lopez Show", "I Love Lucy", "Fat Albert" and even "Merv the Perv" on Saturday Night Live. A simple Google search will show anyone that people use this phrase tons of times unrelated to Jerry Seinfeld! It may be a partial reference in the email seeing as the phrase is also used referring to "Seinfeld" but not completely! {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Live Studio Audience==
Does anyone else feel it's worth mentioning that this is the second time that the claim has been made that Strong Bad Emails are filmed before a live studio audience?  Strong Bad said that at the begining of super powers.--[[User:71.14.74.35|71.14.74.35]] 17:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:Second ocurrences usually aren't worth noting. However, something could be added to [[Strong Bad Email]] noting, "Strong Bad's Emails are apparently filmed before a live studio audience, as he says in [[super powers]] and [[theme song]]" or something like that. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 00:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'd say "unnotable" at this point. The [[super powers]] line was a one-off, and this one was clearly a reference to TV shows. If it occurs again, perhaps then it'll be notable. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unaired pilot? ==

The reference to 'the best clips they show are from the un-aired pilot that you'll never see' reminds me of Firefly. The opening sequence of that was filled with clips from the show's pilot which wasn't aired, and Strong Bad is floating in space as he says it, which also resembles Firefly's pilot.

: I agree.  I expected to see this on the Article page as an Outside Reference, but maybe it's too vague a reference for that.

::I think it is. I can't think of titles, but i know there are a number of shows where this is true, especially in the first season of the show where there's little footage to choose from. It would be TTATOT to include a specific reference, and anything more general is simply restating what SB said. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

:::'Sides, Firefly's pilot actually was aired on most Fox/SciFi affiliates that were actively showing it; it was just aired last.  This according to Joss's commentary on several of the episodes and, (IIRC) his discussions of the show in general on the extras of the DVD box set.  It's common enough not to air a pilot that this seems more like a reference to the television industry than a specific reference to Firefly.

== sorry ==

sorry about that last edit.  there was an edit conflict and so i just threw out whatever the other person was trying to do.  i'll try to be more careful next time. -- [[User:MechanicalOne|MechanicalOne]] 19:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== period + e = New button? ==

While singing the opening theme, when Strong Bad types the .exe to 'brow-ser', you only hear him hitting the keyboard three times. But, he types in 4 letters. The '.', the two 'e's, and the 'x'.
:I guess he must have typed one of them rather quietly then... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Email browser ==

:''The song Strong Bad sings at the beginning and end of this email refers to a "rainstorm in your browser," but e-mail is usually viewed in a separate email client, not a browser. (Although webmail services do exist, Strong Bad does not appear to be using one.)''

This is not a STUFF question, because it's still a question of whether we are interpreting the toon correctly, not whether it's a fun enough fact. Specifically, the issue is whether we believe Strong Bad is referring to himself or us. I believe he's referring to us and our browsers, not his email client. If the consensus of this discussion should be that he's talking about this email client, only ''then'' would it be appropriate to STUFF it to decide whether it's notable enough to list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:I originally deleted that one for the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=prev&oldid=354752 exact reasons you cite]. If there's a reasonable way to say something makes perfect sense, it's unreasonable to claim in a Fun Fact it doesn't in another context. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::Besides&mdash;the [http://www.gmail.com best email] ''is'' in your browser... &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I think your interpretation is pretty far-fetched.  However, I am willing to agree to disagree as long as we can have a fun fact indicating that this is a fourth wall break.  &mdash; [[User:MechanicalOne|MechanicalOne]] 16:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Lightbulbs ==

They talk about lightbulbs or show lightbulbs alot in the cartoons. Shouldn't there be a page about lightbulbs? - anon

:For gags like Homestar's love of light bulbs, we generally wait until there are 3 or more instances. As is, with only 2, it's easy enough to mention them on [[long pants]] and here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::light globes get some all time{{User:Csours/sig}} 06:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Of course they do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mama's Family ==

The second theme song idea with the pictures of each different cast member seemed very similar to the opening of [[Wikipedia:Mama's Family|Mama's Family]] To me. I don't see this in the article, but I just wanted to say this.
:"The succession of picture frames was a common element of several shows." (Real-World References) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alley? ==

The alleyway has brick walls, this has grey. Also, there are many crates. I would assume this is where Senor Cardgage works, it looks like a warehouse. Anyway, it's certainly not the alleyway. Will edit to reflect. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

== Separate keyboard ==

Why did someone remove my fun fact about Strong Bad using a separate keyboard during the first theme song?  That's not open to speculation or whatever, you can plainly see that.  -- [[User:MechanicalOne|MechanicalOne]] 16:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's listed under "Trivia" [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 04:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Reverting Levert ==

The "fun fact" that Levert Burtmore is a reference to Levar Burton has been reverted several times, and probably will be again. See, if you look at the link [[Levert Burtmore]] (which is in Inside Refs, IIRC) you'll see this is a case of Inside Reference. Yes, normally we don't refer to something that is in itself a reference, but this is a gray one where it's more likely than not they are not directly referencing ol' Geordie LaForge but are referring to their own parody of the name from [[dullard]]. I don't like to pull rank, but in this case, trust me. I've seen everything on the site many times, and this is for sure a reference to their own creation, not to the actor. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== E-niversity E-volution E-day ==

I didn't want to add this because it was not very solid, but E-day is a term used for the day Japanese-Americans were evacuated from the West Coast into inland internment camps.  This could also be the reason for the line, "Uh, well, today. That last one didn't quite work out."  Japanese internment is looked back on as a major breach of civil rights, so one might say it "didn't quite work out."
:Or it could just be because "E-niversity" and "E-volution" sound like their original words, but "E-day" just doesn't sound like "today". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== another second reference to wait for the third... ==

Just sayin' that this is the second time that Bubs's concession stand is used as a backdrop for a routine, following Bubs's own attempts on Halloween.  So...if it's used again, someone can pounce.