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Wet The Cheat

"Evidently, The Cheat's fur makes up quite a bit of his girth, as evidenced by his decreased width when wet." i think he's so thin to make the cartoon glass-of-water dive reference more complete. at least that's what i got from it when i first watched it.

Stupid real-world refernce

im pretty sure saying that the bottom ten is done just like the lare show top ten is knda stupid. the bottom ten is kinda done like most top ten lists. and changing it so i t says it like a top ten lists seems obvious. i say take it out.

Nibbles

I won't edit the transcript as it's being written, but I hear Nibbles say "I make good ear-plugs too", not "I need some ear-plugs too."

That sounds more logical to me too.
Fixed it. I've also done writing the transcript, so feel free to correct what's probably lots of mistakes. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 02:10, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like "I think earplugs are cute" to me. Ookelaylay 15:30, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It's definintely "I make good earplugs too". --thatkidsam 15:34, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Let me guess

"Ugh. Let me guess. It's true! You saw it on the news! Hey, it was crazy, but it was worth a shot!"

There is an or in there, so it SHOULD be:

Ugh. Let me guess. "It's true! You saw it on the news!" or "Hey, it was crazy, but it was worth a shot!"

Because I am certain I hear an "or" in there. --ColorPrinter 02:12, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I hear it too. -GG Crono

Me too --No Smorking 14:59, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Ditto.--Ookelaylay 15:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Tree-hugging - Homsar vs. army

I really, really think the tree-hugging isn't a reference to army as much as it is Homsar and his tree-hugging anctics mentioned in Strong Sad's Lament (which, of course, is assuming it's a reference to anything whatsoever and not just randomness). I mean, really. In army it was just a random insult being tossed around; with Homsar it had much focus, even if it DIDN'T have SB or HSR involved in it. I seriously wonder how we got army before the blog ref when the former seems so minor in comparison...
Thoughts on the matter? --Shadow Hog 03:59, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Except Strong Sad's lament involved Strong Sad and Homsar, whereas army involved Strong Bad and Homestar. It really boils down to that. — It's dot com 04:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It's still a major stretch as it is. Methinks it should be STUFF'd. --Shadow Hog 04:25, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I concur. --Jay (Talk) 04:28, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
For all we know, Homestar might have wanted to have proof Strong Bad was a hippie. -- EMJS
Or maybe Strong Bad lost another bet. Didn't he lose a bet in an email before?--Ookelaylay 15:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Garfield vs. Nermal / Marshie vs. Nibbles

I know this might be a stretch, so I thought I'd post here first. Does anyone else see the resemblance in Marshie and Nibbles' relationship to the perpetual battle of age vs. youth between Garfield and Nermal? It was the first thing that stood out to me with those two. -- TaranchulaVamp15 1:29 12 July 2005 (CST)

No, I think it's a reference to how old characters are replaced by "newer, cooler" characters. -Kinsey

Easter Eggs

This is the first time Strong Bad has acknowledged that there are easter eggs...should this be counted for something? -- Cocoa 12:27 12 July 2005 Pacific Daylight, I think?

Nope, he acknowledged them in the process. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:43, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
An interesting fact might be that this is the first email since ??? that had no eggs anywhere.

Well, you had to wait about 10 seconds or so to hear him say that there aren't any Easter Eggs. Isn't that sort of an Easter Egg itself?

Sort of, but our pattern on other pages when this happens is that it's not an egg. — It's dot com 14:16, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Also, Strong Bad actually said "no easter eggs" so it'd be a paradox if that was considered one.
Yes and a paradox is a funny thing to include in a cartoon. I only found about the "extra" on the wiki, since I had quickly scanned for easter-eggs with the tab key and I clicked back because I didn't find any, and thus missed what Strong Bad said after. In my book it is an easter-egg. --VL-Tone
Since people are adamantly claiming otherwise on the STUFF page, which is not such a good place for discussion as such anymore, I have to put my two cents in. In my opinion, things that happen after a pause at the end of the email/toon/etc are Easter Eggs, and deserve the title as much as the ones you have to click on something to activate. However putting them under "Transcript" reads clearer, and makes the wiki page flow better. This doesn't make them any less an Easter Egg, it's simply something done for readability. To quote HRWiki:Standards#Easter Eggs:
An Easter egg (or just "egg" for short) is a secret part of a toon that can only be accessed by performing a particular action (e.g. clicking on a particular word or object) during a toon or by waiting for awhile after the toon has "ended".
(my emphasis). Note that there is in fact nothing on the Standards page that says that the wait-for-it eggs should be in the Transcript rather than under Easter Eggs, it's simply done that way by tradition. I guess this was more than two cents. --phlip TC 16:24, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Look, an Easter egg is something HIDDEN that you have to activate. Things that happen after the paper comes down are in no way hidden, you just have to keep watching. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:50, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
They are hidden though, just hidden behind a pause rather than behind a button. Yes, you just have to keep watching. You also just have to click this word, or that picture, to get the other eggs. I was missing the after-the-paper eggs for ages because I click the back button after the action stops, as that seems to be the end of the toon. It wasn't until I left the process running for a while in the background while I did something else that I even considered simply waiting for eggs. Sure it seems obvious know that I know... --phlip TC 17:02, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Not Pigeons

"Not...pigeons" seems like a reference to different town, when Strong bad tries to think of the best thing ever and ends up with "beef stew". Anyone else think so?

  • No, it's just Strong Bad not being able to think of anything. It's not really a "reference" to anything. Strong bad is an (scatterbrained), and does this kind of thing often, as any HR fan knows. ;) --Hometar Runnar (There, happy? I changed "idiot" to "scatterbrained.")

He's not an idiot. -Kinsey

Yeah, he's not an idiot!! And the Bad in his name is capitalized!! -Princess of StrongBadia

I think he really might be afraid of pigeons, and that he's ashamed of being afraid of them (similar to "Definitly NOT a speedo"-on other days). Strong Bad is a very quirky person with interests that nobody would expect (baking, watching soaps) In TGS there are several things that involve birds (birds hurting or killing characters, or simply getting shot out of the sky by a random helicopter). Kefti islander

Technically, since it was "Not Pigeons" on the list of things he doesn't like, it means that he does like Pigeons, through a double-negative. -- Super Sam 11:45, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I always thought "Not Pigeons" was because if he mentioned that pigeons were on his bottom 10, they'd seek their revenge and crap on him.DrWorm

Tree Hugging or Buttdance

The picture keeps changing back and forth. Let's pick one and go with it. I don't have much of a preference, so I'll get out my trusty coin here... Heads, tree hugging; tails, butt dance (get it, tails?). And... it's tails. I vote buttdance. — It's dot com 16:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Go with the butt dance. It's the pinnacle of the whole email. Delete the tree huggin' if it isn't going to be used. -BazookaJoe 16:26, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Butt dance butt dance! Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 16:35, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I got with the butt dance too, just cause it's so random! (and it made SB puke)
Yah. And, technically, butt dance was part of the email. Tree hugging happened another time that was somehow recorded for us to see now. --Ookelaylay 15:36, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't think we should use that picture of the episode. It spoils the "buttdance" joke. Same thing goes for the picture from Record Book. Poopsmith Z
Keep in mind, a good picture is one that captures a main plot point, at the height or close to the height of the email. —BazookaJoe 13:26, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And you should never visit an HRWiki article without having first seen the toon. On Monday mornings, I always go to the official site first before I come here, so as not to ruin the surprise. — It's dot com 15:34, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Chocozuma's Revenge and Technochocolate land?

What's with Strong Bad always combining aztec history and chocolate? Could this be counted as a reference?

I thought "technochocolate" meant techno- as in technology, not Tenochtitlan.

  • Nope, he mentions the Aztecs right before. -- TaranchulaVamp15 12:07 12 July 2005 (CST)
The monument. Gotcha. I was thinking of Club Technochocolate.


Hey. I FINALLY figured out the connection between Aztec history and chocolate. In the Wikipedia article on cocoa (used to make chocolate), it says as follows:

Cocoa was an important commodity in Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica. Spanish chroniclers of the conquest of Mexico by Hernán Cortés relate that when Moctezuma II, emperor of the Aztecs, dined he took no other beverage than chocolate, served in a golden goblet and eaten with a golden spoon. Flavored with vanilla and spices, his chocolate was whipped into a froth that dissolved in the mouth. No less than 50 pitchers of it were prepared for the emperor each day, and 2000 more for nobles of his court.

Also, in the Wikipedia article for Aztec, it states that cocoa grains were used for money. 1 Yet another relationship between Aztecs and chocolate.

--Dongolev 12:53, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I thought the mayans created chocolate hundreds of yeaars before that...

WHat sounds better, Mayanchocolate or Tenochocolate (Technochocolate)? And Chocozuma's revenges relates to Aztec ruler Moctezuma II, who was basically obsessed with chocolate. --Dongolev 16:24, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The word "chocolate" itself comes from "xocolatl", which is Aztec for "bitter water."

Isn't it technochocolate relate to the kinda of music (i.e. techno) and not the Aztects and it would be called Tenochocolate not TECHNOchocolate

Aren't all these instances of "Technochocolate" just references to monument? That's what I always think of when I see it, even "Club Technochocolate". I'd better go check to see if this is already listed as a running gag. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 03:49, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
It's not, but there is a page for Club Technochocolate. I think any more discussion on this topic should probably happen there rather than here. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 04:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Running Time

Let's get one thing established: Things that happen after The Paper comes down that are not Easter eggs count towards the email's running time, right? If so, I timed the email at approximately 4:57, ending it at Strong Bad's line, "No. There's no Easter eggs. I'm not up to it. Go away." -BazookaJoe 17:08, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You timed it the way I've always done it. -- tomstiff 17:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

And that's incuding the long pause after The Paper comes down? -BazookaJoe 17:18, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Horrible Painting

Just curious if any of you think the Horrible Painting deserves being considered a member of the ever-increasing cast of characters.

I'd say so. It does talk... SA2Tails 17:44, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I concur. I wrote the original description, and I'd hate to see my hard work go to waste, yeah?
No i dont think it should have a page [[User:Frotzer|Frotzer]
I think unless it shows up frequently, it shouldn't have it's own page. But then again, I think there are other pages of things where it has only showed up once....--bkmlb

It should have its own page. — It's dot com 20:25, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Most definitely should have it's own page. It gives me the jibblies too. -- TaranchulaVamp15 1:25, 22 Jul 2005 (CST)

Feed the Childrens

Does anyone else hear "doo doot doo" instead of just "doot doo" in the song Feed the Childrens? SA2Tails 17:44, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I do. Not to mention the unmentioned 'hey-heys'. (I've actually taken to humming this song under my breath around the house.

Does the part where they all start clapping hands and singing count as a "Hey Jude" reference? ~AC

No, although it references songs like this in general. — It's dot com

I definitely hear "doo doot doo" in the song. I've listened to it closely over and over, and it's subtle, but there's another syllable in there. — It's dot com 12:15, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I listened very closely. There are only two syllables at the "doot doo" portion of the Limozeen song. Why do people keep adding a third? --Jay (Talk) 18:25, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Then you must not be listening closely enough. Several others here on the wiki think it's "doo doot doo". I just took a poll of my coworkers, and they all hear that, too. — It's dot com 18:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I changed it back because (at least to my ears) there are three syllables! I distinctly hear "do doot do". -- tomstiff 18:33, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I turned it up very high and I still hear exactly two. The drums hit in the middle of the "doot" IIRC; maybe that's what you're hearing? --Jay (Talk) 18:35, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I hear "Doot Doo." Unless it is a very quick "Doo-Doot," in which case a hyphen would be necessary. -BazookaJoe 18:39, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I've turned it up loud, and listened to it numerous (10+) times. It's do-doot-do everytime. I've seen at least one other comment that agrees with me. That doesn't make me right, it's just makes me not pigeon ... er crazy! -- tomstiff 18:41, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It would have to be MUCH faster than the "La La"... which was fast enough that I formerly made it one "word"! I'm loading it to check AGAIN... --Jay (Talk) 18:46, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
When there's no background music, when it's just the claps, you can clearly tell that it's not a drum beat, and it's distinctly "doo-doot doo". — It's dot com 18:48, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
NO. I TURNED IT UP ALL THE WAY. I LEANED MY EAR IN TOWARD THE COMPUTER. I LISTENED ALL THREE TIMES. I HEAR EXACTLY TWO SYLLABLES EACH. Where do you think the break between them is coming? --Jay (Talk) 18:49, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't know what to tell you. I've played it for five people here where I am, and we all agree it's three syllables. Each time I asked a new person, I had them describe what they heard without first telling them what I think they should be hearing. — It's dot com 18:54, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
OH! I THINK I GET IT! I think you're getting confused on the vibrato in Gary's voice. There are two syllables, though. Ironically, the vibrato is LEAST noticeable in the "just claps" repetition, where you said it was most "obvious", so this theory isn't perfect. But that's as close as I am coming to hearing a third syllable—and it's still not a third syllable. --Jay (Talk) 18:56, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And, currently there is no such "consensus". The people you talk to IRL are hearsay, and here, it's two logged users and an Annony (who seems to think there are more than two "heys") against two logged users. --Jay (Talk) 18:58, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC) [EDIT: Okay, sorry, three logged users. I thought the original post here was yours. That still doesn't make it a "consensus."]
Are you saying I'm making them up? Because that's what I hear you saying. What possible reason would I have for doing that? To win a stupid argument? Sorry, but this isn't that important. Know this about me: I never lie. This is a question of fact, and therefore only one of us is right. I'm convinced it's me; you're convinced it's you. That's fine, because sensible people sometimes disagree, but I don't appreciate having my trustworthiness questioned, or at least having it seem like it. — It's dot com 19:12, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Words in my mouth much? I am simply saying that I know nothing of your IRL friends. I am speaking to you: where do you think the three syllables are? How long? I hear the "Doot" in a beat and a half, and "doo" immediately following on the half-beat. --Jay (Talk) 19:16, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I believe now that you weren't trying to insult me. Please note that I was careful to phrase my comments using words like "because that's what I hear you saying" and "at least having it seem like it." I can't hear your inflection. I can't read your mind. All I can do is tell you how you're coming across. Not that we can't still be friends. ;) To speak to your question: This is what I hear: — It's dot com
Yeah, I figured that's where the extra "doo" was coming from, but that just ties in perfectly to my "you're just confused on Gary's vibrato" theory. --Jay (Talk) 19:56, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree. Agreed? — It's dot com
For now (BTW, I'm hearing the "do-doot" as a single syllable, in case there was any confusion. Other than that, the beat remains identical.) --Jay (Talk) 20:04, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I only heard two sylables in the Doot do's, but i could easily see how someone could here 3. Rogue Leader / (my talk)
Hey there, I'm an 'Anonny' as you strange people on this Wiki call us. And I hear three. Though both interpretations are valid. --195.92.67.76 19:23, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
"Anonny" is a reference to rock opera. It's a whole lot easier than saying "User without a user name" or "User known only by an IP address". I didn't mean it as an insult, but some "Anonny" users (not all or even most!) have been known to be trolls, which happens less often with users with user names. Maybe it is a bit bigoted, but most Wiki users tend to take IP-only users' comments with grains of salt. --Jay (Talk) 19:32, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

As a compromise, I am going to insert a footnote, at least as a temporary measure. — It's dot com

I can live with that Rogue Leader / (my talk)

As can I. It's been done before, such as on for kids. And yes, I'm the same 'annony' as before (the one who mentioned the hey-heys and has taken to humming Feed the Childrens). I just really like being known as 69.139.163.12 (yes, I'm odd), and don't really want to make an account because of that.
Heh. I totally hear three syllables.... but I'm not sure I feel as passionate about this as you people do. ;) This song really reminds me of something from Aqua Teen Hunger Force... "It's fo' da shortiez! It's fo' da shortiez!" Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 19:40, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I can live with it, but I still say it's 2 syllables. -- EMJS

I just listened to it on my good headphones, and it is definitely doo-doot doo. I'm all for taking the footnote off. vote'd —BazookaJoe 00:47, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I listened closely, and I was almost certain it's do-doot doo. I then used the equalizer in Audacity to isolate the vocals and I'm completely certain it's do-doot doo. Also, I only hear vibrato on the last doo, not the first bit. Try as I can, I can't hear it as doot doo with vibrato on both. I can post the altered sound if anyone's interested. --phlip TC 03:50, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard doo-doot-doo from the very beginning. Instead of splashing your arguments all over the wiki, couldn't you put it to a vote? IMO, take out the footnote. --TaranchulaVamp15

I can't hear that break in the first syllable. Not at all. A slight vibrato at most, and not even that all three times. While checking a deleted Fun Fact (which really was false, but I felt I just wanted to be sure) I listened YET AGAIN with the volume way up. I'm not sure why all y'all keep insisting otherwise. Forget the footnote; I'm half-tempted to just put it back the way it was; I am 100% no-question-in-my-mind THAT confident that it's only "Doot doo". And if the footnote is removed (with the three-syllable version left intact) I WILL put it back, end of story. --Jay (Talk) 07:41, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I just realized that I had good speakers that I had not yet connected to my new computer. So I connected them and listened again. Unsurprisingly, I just heard a more rich version of the two syllables. Sorry, guys. I let doyng go. I let Family Guy go. I WILL NOT LET THIS GO without at LEAST a footnote. --Jay (Talk) 07:48, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
We've listened to it, analyzed it, filtered it, slowed it down, turned it up, and after all that... the vast majority of people here hear three syllables. It's not a vibrato—there is another consonant in there. And those who are convinced of this are not just anonymous users, but bona fide logged-in members. Here is a summary of six of the seven members who think it's "doo-doot doo": "distinctly hear," "hear [it] every time," "totally hear," "definitely," "heard [it] from the very beginning," "completely certain." These words are unwavering. They were spoken by users (save one) who have long histories of intelligent, thoughtful contributions. What I wonder (and I bet others would, too) is: Why can't you hear it? You can have your footnote as far as I'm concerned, but the transcript proper is correct with three syllables. — It's dot com 14:46, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
What's this filtered and/or slowed down version? --Jay (Talk) 17:44, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
The filtered one is the one Phlip mentioned above. The slowed-down version is the one I made this morning as I was checking it again. — It's dot com 17:49, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
The filtered sound is here: [1]—the first sound is direct from the email, the second is through an equaliser that I mentioned above, and the third is through a high-pass filter that I since realised is even clearer (since the only accompaniment is a bass guitar and drums, which get mostly filtered out). If it's vibrato, it's very sharp, more a second emphasis than a simple wavering. Though I agree on keeping the footnote as long as someone hears it differently. We still have the footnote in for kids, and I wouldn't suggest removing it regardless of how sure I am that it's "dogs". --phlip TC 00:05, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
The filtered sound file's URL appears to be wrong. SA2Tails 00:07, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
It's probably just because this discussion is over a month old. — It's dot com 00:11, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I heard kind of a do-oot doo the first and third time, do-doot doo the second time. Mucket 01:36, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

just a remark

the brownie pictured in Chocozuma's Revenge is still in its wrapper. I feel like that should be mentioned somewhere

The Remarks section is the place for that. Nice find. -BazookaJoe 19:31, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Not TTATOT

There are several facts that apply to a group of real-world examples, not just a single thing. But that doesn't make them any less of a reference. It's true that we shouldn't list every example we can think of, but a representative sample is appropriate. — It's dot com 20:06, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

But we've already seen the problem of doing that—new users add their favorite examples no matter what. It's happened in the past, it's happened for this very email. Also, if it's not a specific reference to a specific thing, it's more frequently put in Explanations if it's kept. --Jay (Talk) 20:11, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Each of the items in question explained a reference and gave a couple of relevant examples. Most of the problem items I try to prune have competing explanations or examples. -- tomstiff 20:16, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Nuh-uh. It's an established precedent. It's a reference if it's a reference to ONE, maybe TWO distinct things (if two, they MUST be related.) If it's a reference to a common phenomenon which has appeared in many places, it's an Explanation. --Jay (Talk) 20:19, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
{double edit conflict'd!} All right then, let's move them to explanations... (which I was about to do but I see you've already done). But the references are valid, and explaining them is useful to a user who might not be familiar. And the examples that are currently on the page are top-notch in their respective areas. Yes, we will have to keep them pruned, but that's better than omitting them altogether. — It's dot com 20:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
All right then. I'm still not sure it's necessary to keep all of them, though... --Jay (Talk) 20:19, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Name that Reference

Anyone know if the spooky painting is referancing anything? I know I've seen something like it somewheres...

Perhaps you're thinking of the haunted Ebay painting. Probably not a true Remark or Real-World reference, but intruiging. Boo! S Gleason 05:55, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Okay, that was one of the creepiest things I have ever read... Made even more so at 2 AM (which is the time it is now). As if Strong Bad's painting wasn't enough to freak me out... --Annonymous User Number 69.139.163.12 (the original writer for the Horrible Painting page)
Yeah... That's pretty creepy alright. I'm always creeped out by the supernatural. But maybe they could at least show us the pictures from the camera. --thatkidsam 15:45, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'd rather not see them, thanks... It already took me long enough to sleep. --Annonymous User Number 69.139.163.12
It kinda reminds me of a weird painting of a old-fashioned woman my grandparents have. I swear that her face changes. I have seen her smiling, sad, scared, and many others.... I'm not kidding, this is true. -Kinsey
Okay, thatkidsam. aaah! S Gleason 02:54, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Looks like Photoshop.
That's weird. after I saw that pic I had BAAD pains in my stomach... -Kinsey
Yah, me too. About a day later. That picture's pretty creepy. I wouldn't buy it. --Ookelaylay 15:40, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Reminds me a little of Gollum from The Lord of the Rings, but that's a heafty strech.

Name that tune?

Once again, the tune from Strong Bad's intro song sounds very familiar. Where is it from? -- Tom 23:38, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

List?

I was just wondering... Do you think that we should make an article about the bottom ten list? Just a thought

Nah. This is the article on the bottom 10 list. -BazookaJoe 15:24, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Easter egg

There's an easter egg at the very end of this, but it's not mentioned in this wiki's article. You have to wait a while longer than normal to see it.

You mean when Strong Bad says, "No. There's no Easter eggs. I'm not up to it. Go away."? That's in the transcript. -BazookaJoe 03:47, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

SB Email: Jumped the Shark?

I think this one pretty much did it, what with the butt dance and the vomiting. Not that I have anything against crude humor: some people make it work quite well.. But Homestar Runner has always held a special place for me because even though it was aimed at older audiences, it was always so innocent. Bathroom humor is just out of place on Homestar. 67.1.38.32

Yes, bathroom humor is just out of place on Homestar Runner. That's why one of the main characters (who has been around since the first Flash toon) is a Poopsmith. And the butt dance is from Homestar's character video that's been on the site for a long time. But anyway, this discussion is better served on the forum. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 05:19, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I was a little put-off by the vomit joke as well. I had considered HSR a "safe-haven" against that kind of stuff. Up until about a year ago, HSR was a site that I felt comfortable letting my 6 year old view. Since then, I've noticed an ever-so-subtle trend toward South Park. We may only be in Alabama now, but I hope they stop before reaching Colorado. -- tomstiff 13:23, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Are you seriously comparing South Park to HSR? I am a huge fan of both and I can say with some expertise that neither are anywhere near being alike (except, I suppose, that both are [quite good] comedies). And what's this about a little barf as being 'not safe' or 'not appropriate'? For one, you don't even see it. And secondly, I'd like to know how barf is in any way more mature humour. »ßenit, known as señor« 20:05, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
About the vomiting thing... didn't Coach Z puke in the couch in couch patch? 80.43.23.184 16:07, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Good points, Señor and Anonny, and, like Homestar Coder said, they belong on the forum. — It's dot com 20:10, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Woman or High Talking Guy?

Obviously the chocolate lover is voiced by a falsetto Matt, but I wonder, is the character intended to be a woman, or a high-talking guy who Strong Bad intentionally calls "lady" intending it as an insult? Or am I overthinking this?

-- You're overthinking this.

-I thought it sounded like Reynold.

-actually, that's not falsetto; it's either just picking a high pitch or, I think, pitch transposed up using sound processing software.

Number 8

When Strong Bad says 'number 8', did anyone else notice that his pronunciation is the same as Yoko Ono's in the episode of The Simpsons where Homer et al form the Be Sharps, and Yoko records a song by saying 'number 8' repeatedly over a loop of Barney belching?

That's a far, far, far, far strech. —FireBird|Talk 15:25, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Ahhhh-Ooooh-Gah ... Ahhhh-Ooooh-Gah ... Aunt Gert alert! -- tomstiff 15:35, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I don't think it's that far a stretch, it was the first thing I thought when I heard him say it and I expected someone else to have already referenced it on here. I've heard plenty of people pronounce it IRL that way as a reference to it, so maybe Strong Bad does too. Ah well, just a thought.
That's still a very far stretch. --thatkidsam 15:48, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It's not a huge stretch. The 'number 8' is a pretty memorable part of pop culture history, so it's not a stretch to think that TBC are referencing it. To be honest, I didn't notice it myself, though.
I happened to see this Simpson's episode last night. I have to admit, it's not nearly the stretch I thought it was. I'm cancelling the Aunt Gert alert! -- tomstiff 13:33, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Yes it sounds similar, but not enough to be considered a reference, it seems like a coincidence. Particularly because that is the way most people would intone "Number 8 is something...." --phlip TC 06:33, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

All I know about the pronunciation is I hear "Numboo 8", not "Numbah 8". --TaranchulaVamp15 1:30, 22 July 2005 (CST)

They forgot to lemme type this

I don't think SB sez "They forgot this" twice. Any one else hear "Lemme type this" the first time? (see below) I don't wanna get into an editing battle, especially if I'm wrong! -- tomstiff 15:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

STRONG BAD: Oh man, this person made all kinds of typos. Lemme type this, {changes "Weak Bad" to "Strong Bad"}, they forgot this, {adds "the Good Dancer" after "Strong Bad"}, they got this wrong {changes "Someone stronger than you" to "Someone that is a girl" (with the phrase "a girl" italicized and in a pinkish color)}. Ah, there we go!

I isolated it and turned it way up, and it is for sure not "they forgot this" twice. I think you're absolutely right. It sounds like "Lemme type this" the first time. — It's dot com 16:11, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that it's "Misspelled this, they forgot this..." rather than "Lemme type this." »ßenit, known as señor« 18:41, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm not 100% on the "lemme", but I'm sure I hear a "type". Could be "They mistyped this". Striking out "absolutely" in my comments above. — It's dot com 19:21, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Allright, I'll agree with you there. »ßenit, known as señor« 02:01, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I bet all of you people expect me to adamantly assert my opinion here, right?
Right?
Actually, I have no idea what he's saying. --Jay (Talk) 04:47, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I suppose it would be a good idea for me say something, having finally listened to the email on my good headphones. It looks good as written. (that is, Lemme type this, they forgot this) —BazookaJoe 13:30, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
It sounds like "lemme type this" to me. --No Smorking 00:45, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'll admit it sounds like it could be either one, but logically it would be "They mistyped this" as he's talking about typos that the emailer made. »ßenit, known as señor« 13:27, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Okay, now I have an opinion. "Lemme type." --Jay (Talk) 16:59, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Varying Opinions

In this email, SB says he hates "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics." Yet in secret recipes, his opening email song consists of mostly nana's. What gives? -Ookelaylay 15:31, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but SB's opening songs haven't been released as singles, have they? 212.85.7.12 08:38, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, no I guess. But it's still a song. Ookelaylay 14:25, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Re: Reflection movement

I have compared different frames one on top of the other in Photoshop, and Strong Bad's reflection definitely moves along with his head as "Re:" and "Fwd:" zoom up across the screen. — It's dot com 17:19, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

First Tree Seen in H*R?

This could just be me, in that I could be completely off my rocker and forgetting something, but isn't this like the first tree seen in a Homestar Runner cartoon/e-mail proper?--Spanky The Dolphin 07:20, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Well, why don't you go vote to accept this fun fact. I'll point out, however, that the "accepts" are way in the minority right now. — It's dot com 14:51, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There was the Big Ol' Tree from different town.

And there's a sycamore tree from cheat talk. --Anony 68

Lappy's screen goof

The anomaly with Lappy's screen is listed as a goof for this email; but I believe it's intentional, to go along with the "no easter eggs" theme of the email. -- Kamek 07:49, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. I mean, the contrast buttons worked in essentially every email with the Tandy or Compy, and we never listed those as Easter Eggs; nor did we count it in the "first time with no eggs since ----" fact. --Jay (Talk) 00:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)


Marshie's 'Angry Face'

Marshie's pained-looking face and accompanying BUZZ sound, suggest to me that Marshie is not angry, but is being kept under control by a system of electric shocks...

Personally, I think that's a stretch. - 24.208.155.213
Coupled with the VCR-style pause at the end, it probably represents the effect of Marshie being "put to the side". Blendage 23:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Pink text

Would it be alright if I put the words relatively, really, and a girl in pink, like this:

really , relatively a girl

'Cause I just did that, I want to know if it would be okay like that. --—↑Darklinkskywalker|Talk_|i did this stuff_↓ 18:16, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I can hardly read that, but I'm not going to revert it until we hear some more opinions. Do we ever do formatting like this? There's something about this that just doesn't seem right. (Note: I don't have a problem with imitating Strong Bad's screen within a <blockquote> area, like for the text of each week's email and the DELETED screen, but here we're talking about running text.) — It's dot com 18:36, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I, too, dislike it if only because it's very difficult to read. --Jay (Talk) 19:10, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to go ahead and revert it. It's still hard to read, and in running text I think all font and color comments should be written out in the remarks next to the words. — It's dot com 00:49, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Bottom 10 + 1

I thought this looked pretty good. It documents what's in the transcript. Number 11 was displayed, though not typed, on the Lappy (at least temporarily). Comments? -- tomstiff 15:09, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I think it looks clever, but number 11 was never displayed on the Lappy. It was only displayed on the cutaway shot in front of Strongbadia. The list in the fun facts section is a reproduction of the Lappy's screen at the end of the email. — It's dot com 15:12, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Dang! You're right. Sigh ... I sure like the way it looks, though. -- tomstiff 16:03, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

New SB Look?

Is it just me, or does SB look a little different? The brother chaps did change the caracter's appearance in the past of course, but could it be that time again for SB? if so, i kinda like it anyways! what are your thoughts?

posted by Martin F.

Dry T-Shirt Contest

Should we attempt to compare Strong Bad's mention of a Dry T-Shirt Contest to a Wet T-shirt contest? It's kind of hard to pass up the reference. I don't want to link to it yet, but there's even a Wikipedia article for "Wet T-shirt contest" we could link to. It's very encyclopedic. -- Tom 23:30, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so. First, I think this falls under the "everybody knows who Ronald McDonald is" category. That is to say, if you don't already know what a wet T-shirt contest is, then you're probably not old enough. Second, the Wikipedia article contains a very, er, nice example image of the subject matter, and this is a family show. — It's dot com 23:44, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Ha ha. Okay, I was thinking the same, I just needed to hear it from someone else. Oh, and I noticed you moved this conversation from the bottom of the page. Why? -- Tom 23:47, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, I've just been keeping the closed STUFF at the very bottom of talk pages when they get moved there. It just feels like their correct place, especially on long pages like this. — It's dot com 23:53, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
That kind of ruins the "start a new topic" button on the top of talk pages then. -- Tom 00:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Meh, it's just a preference... I'd never really thought about it, since I hardly use that button. — It's dot com 00:43, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Maybe I'll start putting them at the top of the page and see whether that looks better. I'll try that the during the next round of cleaning up. — It's dot com 02:15, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Songs that try to pass off la la's etc.

Somebody tried to add "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da" by The Police, and it was deleted based on the "keep it to these three" notice. It's a really good example, though; another one with the non-words in the title. (However, it technically doesn't use any of the specific non-words Strong Bad listed.) I think it should be reconsidered to replace one of the three given examples. -Polly 10:59, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

(I realize this is almost six months old, but I didn't want to start a new section for this.) At first glance, "De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da" is a really good fit for that, but the song is about those words. They're not trying to pass them off as legit lyrics because in that particular context, they are legit lyrics. Consider the line "De do do do, de da da da" is meaningless and all that's true. As big a fan of Sting's as I am, I know that he doesn't write lyrics that don't mean something, at least once you dig below the surface. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The "No Easter Eggs" Fact

Yes, I changed the fun fact after it was passed through STUFF. The reason simply being that it is false as it stands, but I didn't see video games while it was in STUFF, so I couldn't put it as an argument against. Basically, it boils down to whether having to wait after a pause at the end of the email counts as an Easter egg (not referring to whether we put it in the Easter Eggs secion on the wiki, but simply whether it's an Easter egg at all). There are then two options:

  1. It is an Easter egg. In this case the fun fact is simply false.
  2. It is not an Easter egg. In this case video games has no Easter eggs (you have to wait for a pause to see the menu of games, but I don't think anyone can claim that having to click on the games after this pause counts as "hidden". It is placed under the Easter Eggs section on the wiki page simply to have a place to hang the links to the four games).

Obviously, saying that this email has no eggs, but video games does is inconsistent. My rewording of the egg narrowed the option down to #2 above (with "...Easter eggs that you have to click to activate...") and corrected the link to point to video games instead of property of ones. --phlip TC 08:40, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

When you changed the fact, you wrote in your edit summary, "I knew there was one that was more recent. Is this still notable?" First of all, I agree with you about the lack of eggs in video games, especially considering how we currently define what is and isn't an egg. The games are not hidden at all, and you hardly have to wait for them after the paper. Second, as to whether this is still notable, I think that no, it's not. The original fact was supposed to convey the sense of "it's been forever since they didn't have an Easter egg in a Strong Bad Email." Email #94, on the other hand, just doesn't seem that long ago.
I think we have a bigger problem, though. This part of the discussion may need to move to HRWiki_talk:Standards or Talk:Strong Bad Email or somewhere, but we need to officially regard action that happens after the Paper as being Easter eggs. To quote Mike in the theme park commentary: "Is this a waiting egg?" (emphasis mine). The point is that TBC consider them to be Easter eggs... why don't we? — It's dot com 15:25, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Feed the Childrens.mp3?

Does anyone here have the reasources to rip Feed the Childrens into an MP3, and if so, would they be kind enough to do so and post a copy? -GG Crono


Closed STUFF

How new is "All-New"?

Nibbles says he is 1 year old. Therefore, All-new Fluffy Puff Bite-Size Nibblers are actually not as new as they make out, or the advert is incorrect.

Posted on: 15:14, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 05:53, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 10–1. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

Signing On

The sign on Strong Mad's closet reads "STRONG MAD RD."

Posted on: 16:27, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly accepted, 15–2. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

It's been how long?

This is the first email without any Easter eggs since Email #39, property of ones.

Posted on: 21:54, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was accepted in a landslide, 25–2. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

Those hilarious jibblies

Strong Bad getting the jibblies was similar to his dance in funny.

Posted on: 23:48, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was unanimously declined, 12–0. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

The only tree, except for that one, and that other one

This is the first instance of an actual tree in Free Country USA outside the Spooky Forest. Up until now, it was nothing but telephone poles.

Posted on: 14:28, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 21–3. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

Tree's a crowd

Strong Bad's tree hugging, by demand of Homestar, is a reference to army.

Posted on: 06:02, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was overwhelmingly declined, 17–2. A similar item (referring to Strong Sad's Lament) was unanimously declined, 12–0. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

Inter-Toon Quotation Reference

Strong Bad's quote, "And bring some paper towels. Eww. And some tweezers." Is very similar to his message left on Marzipan's answering machine in Where's the Cheat?, when he says, "Bring some towels. (Groans) And some garbage bags."

Posted on: 17:43, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 04:55, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was unanimously declined, 16–0. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

Is the ride broken?

A ride at Knott's Berry Farm uses the same font as Chocozuma's for its "Montezooma's Revenge" ride.

Posted on: 18:12, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Closed: 20:38, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

VERDICT: This item was unanimously declined (original author's mistake), 9–0. The votes and arguments have been moved to HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom 10.

what does it mean by

8. Emails with more than 1 fwd: or re: in the subject line. And STRONG BAD: Oh, great. Let me guess: "It's true! You saw it on the news!" Or, "Hey, sounds crazy, but thought it was worth a shot!"

Nikolce Kocovski 05:07, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, when you reply to emails in a certain way, they will put a special prefix in the subject line automatically. If you open an email and hit the 'Reply' button, it will add RE: to the subject, showing it's a reply. If you open an email and hit 'Forward' and send it to other people, it will add FWD: to the subject, showing it was forwarded. Generally, emails with multiple FWDs and REs are spam or chain letters, which is why Strong Bad prefers not to receive them. Does that help? --DorianGray

Thanks DorianGray that helps alot, but waht i dont's understand is this: STRONG BAD: Oh, great. Let me guess: "It's true! You saw it on the news!" Or, "Hey, sounds crazy, but thought it was worth a shot!"

Nikolce Kocovski 09:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Those two phrases appear a lot in the sorts of emails that get mass-forwarded. Often hoaxes of the form "Check this out, it's completely true! I saw it on the news! <insert frightening-if-true-but-actually-completely-false message>! I asked my friends, they reckon it's true too!" and so on. The "sounds crazy" one is from things where the email claims (falsly) that if you forward it to lots of people, something special will happen (often a chain letter). --phlip TC 10:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Hundreds of such emails, and proof against them, can be seen at http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/inboxer.asp. —AbdiViklas 14:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

what exactly is a bottom 10?

Is it somethings you hate or something?

Nikolce Kocovski 01:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's the ten things you most hate. The more common term is "top ten", which means your ten favorite things. So "bottom 10" means the opposite of that. Heimstern Läufer 01:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Which is strange, although Strong Bad is known to do strange things. ;) — Seriously (Talk) 01:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
It's not that strange. It's just another way of saying "Your Top 10 most hated things" or something. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I guess what I meant is the opposite, although Strong Bad doesn't really do opposite things. — Seriously (Talk) 01:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Bottom Led?

Does anyone else hear "Feed the Childrens" as a reference to the a capella part of The Ocean by Led Zeppelin? I know it's only a partial similarity, but it does make sense, considering Limozeen is a pretty Zeppelin-esque band. Also, The Ocean is one of the few songs by Led Zeppelin that tries to pass off la-la-la's (and later doo-wap's) as legit lyrics.

If anyone could upload a sample that would be much appreciated.

I don't find Limozeen at all similar to Led Zeppelin. And this isn't really similar to The Ocean musically. - Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 22:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's do the buttdance again!

Buttdance like the rhythm's down your pants! I think it's a ref to Rocky Horror Picture Show. the TIME WARP!--Coach J 10:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Jibblies part of the 10?

Strong Bad didn't know a #5 for his bottom 10. That should mean that #6-10 should be bumped up 1 and the jibblies would be #10- Sbdisciples 19:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

the chocolate desserts

for each picture of the chocolate desserts with the dangerous names, is each one just the previous one with more chocolate things dumped on top? like chocozuma's revenge is just this brownie might kill you with a cup of pudding and more icing on top?

fwd's

"Strong Bad refers to email with more than one "fwd" or "re" in the subject line, but most email services use only one "fwd" or "re" in the subject line regardless of how many times it has been forwarded or replied."\

I disagree with this. i used to recieve emails whose subjects were "Fwd:Fd:Re: cool test !" or something like that all the time. note how there are three.

In addition, I'm sure it's entirely possible to manually insert FWDs or REs. --DorianGray

Come on in here

To me, "Come on in here" came off as a reference to Super Mario 64, when you enter Big Boo's Haunt for the first time and a spooky voice says that. Did anyone else consider this? I thought this could be possible seeing that TBC are clear Mario/Nintendo fans and reference Nintendo games many places in their cartoons.

Lizzie

This was added to the page:

When Strong Bad opens Strong Mad's closet, the horrible painting of a demon resembles the demon "Lizzie" from episode 8 ("Inside the Closet") of the TV series "Tales from the Dark Side."

The episode is real, but I couldn't find a picture of the demon to confirm it. Opinions anyone? — Elcool (talk)(contribs) 13:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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