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Adventures of Lolo

"You'd better have saved the receipt"...what's that supposed to mean?! At least I liked that game...

Well, Malone intends to return it for a refund. -- Mithent 07:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I just tried to play it. I thought it was lame. But that's me. NFITC1 17:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Shock-you-mentary?

Is "shock-you-mentary" (or, more likely, "shockumentary") a real word? I've heard of "mockumentaries" and "crockumentaries," but I'm not sure about "shockumentaries." If it is, maybe we should add an explanation about it; if it's not, maybe we should note its similarity to the other words I mentioned. Heimstern Läufer 03:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this will help, but I looked "shockumentary" on Google, from the sites that I got, it seems to be something that scares people (like a book, or a movie...or something). Again, I really don't think this will help, but it might! Sbemail(Talk,Contribs.) 03:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Well, technically, mock- and crockumentary aren't real words either, just media derivations from the word documentary. You could have schlockumentaries, jockumentaries, lockumentaries, sockumentaries, and even the occasional deep-fried haddockumentaries. Point being, documentary is the only non-made up word in the whole she-bang-a-bang. Gillan The Villain 03:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that's true, but what I meant was whether it is a commonly-used word or if Strong Bad made it up. Heimstern Läufer 03:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
My bad. And from my experience, I have heard it used before in the media, but I just have the feeling a maelstrom of "it doesn't deserve to be up there" or "if there's doubt in the post, your addition is toast" will prevent it from becoming a fun fact. Just my personal opinion, though. Gillan The Villain 03:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Surprisingly, "shockumentary" gets 240,000 hits on google, but the word does not exist in any dictionary. I'd be willing to bet our familiarity is a result of pop culture. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 04:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Like "mockumentary" and "rockumentary," "shockumentary" is just a portmanteau, and a fairly obvious one at that; I'm completely unsurprised that 240,000 web sites have used it; half of their authors probably thought they were being incredibly original and clever. — InterruptorJones 04:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

You could also have Sherlockumentary ! --This Old guy 12:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I've heard it used pleanty of times. I don't think it's noteworthy. - Camalex(talk) 16:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Night

Should we mention something about this email being about night-time and that it was released at night. (Or at least here in the western hemisphere)? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 03:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

It worked out nice that way, but knowing TBC's self-acknowledged methods of production, and the "new email soon" button, I'm betting they didn't wrap it up at 8 am and then just delay its release. I'm thinking they did it the same way I write papers. —AbdiViklas 04:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey, if I'm right, then I do the same thing! someone who doesn't want to put his name just follow this link to find out who I am

Gummi Bears

I hope I'm not the only person who thinks that Gummi Bears doesn't belong in the Fun Facts. If you can use the internet, I think you might be able to wrap your heard around the idea of a gummi bear. Not like Moses Malone, who might not be too well known to those of the internet generation. But gummi bears? I'd take it down, but I really don't like doing that, considering somebody took the time to put it up, and I personally get a wee bit off-put when something of mine is taken down. If it's meant to come down, it will come down. Such is the will of the Wiki. Gillan The Villain 03:27, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm neutral, but you'd be surprised what some people don't know. Though I must wonder what sort of cave people don't know about gummi bears... --Jay v.2024 (Auld lang syne) 03:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
We also included Oreos in Commandos in the Classroom's fun facts, although those are a little more obscure. (My English friend had never heard of them.) Like Jay said, you never know what people don't know. --DorianGray
Oh, well. I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity, then. If it stays up, I can deal. Gillan The Villain 03:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I concur with Gillan The Villain. Heimstern Läufer 03:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

They have yet to use spam! -Penguindude

Have You Driven a Ford Latley?

I reverted a real-world reference, but I wanted to move it to the talk page instead of just condemning it to oblivion: let it be noted that "Latley" is a limousine service in Switzerland. —AbdiViklas 05:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Let it be known, that I, Sbemail, brought this fact into notice =)!!! —Sbemail(Talk,Contribs.) 05:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Texas Chainsaw Symphony Orchestra

I want to get rid of that Real-World Reference to the chainsaw solo, and assumed it should be fairly easy to prove that the notion of using a chainsaw in a musical setting predates Jackyl's 1992 debut. It wasn't, though. I found plenty of evidence that other groups have used chainsaws (including some amusingly "serious-art" endeavors), but no proof that the idea is older than the 90s. Somebody help me out? —AbdiViklas 05:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Abdi, I have to say that what we'd be searching for here is the most well-known chainsaw solo, not necessarily the first. That being said, and I being lazy, are we speaking of a guitar solo substituted by the sound of a ripping, gas-driven chainsaw? I vaguely remember that being a facet of the glam/hair metal scene ("Dude! How wicked is that! He was totally playing a freakin' chainsaw, dude! Metal! Metal rules!"), but if the most "well-known" example is Jackyl, then we should probably go with that. — THE SMOKING MONKEY 11:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
You mean to tell me none of you young'uns ever heard of Wendy O. Williams and the Plasmatics? She probably invented the heavy metal chainsaw, and certainly did more to popularize its use than one-hit-wonders Jackyl. --Cholling 12:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Ain't no young'un, Cholling, and the Plasmatics are one of the best examples of tight music combined with unlistenable singing I've ever come across outside of Death Metal. I didn't know that Wendy used a chainsaw on stage, though, but I'd argue to the average music listener, Wendy is as obscure as Jackyl. I think this all gets back to Abdi's point that we need a better example for the fact. — THE SMOKING MONKEY 12:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I'm not at all trying to improve this fact, but rather get rid of it. I'm trying to argue that chainsaws in musical contexts is a widespread and old enough idea that it isn't a "reference" to any particular band. I didn't feel right about doing it if I couldn't actually find any documentation, though. —AbdiViklas 01:10, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay... Who couldn't follow this email?

If you ask me, this email was one of the worst. hard-to-get easter eggs, bad story, bad layout, almost no humor, just what I don't want. Who agrees?

Please engage in such discussions on the HRWiki Forum. —Gafaddict Image:Gafaddict sigpic.gif (Talk | Contribs.) 10:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
DECLINED!!!!!!!!!(said in the same fasion as DELEATED) this made me laugh throught the ENTIRE e-mail (one of the few to do so) I found it easy to find the easter eggs, presentation was perfect, what more do you want?-68.39.179.135 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I guess if you had your monitor's brightness turned down the easter eggs at the end could be hard to find.
Isn't kind of discussion better for the forum? I R F 23:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

are you kidding? i loved this e-mail! "and in the final stages,the gum makes the appearence, and tastes of choclate pudding. i almost luaghed my whole lips out when i saw that!-User:Timmy!

One of my Top 5. Definently User:Catman87

Cheat in the Machine

Should we maybe mention the fact that the LCD Cheat on the wristwatch is probably a reference to the cover of the Police album Ghost in the Machine? --Cholling 12:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

It definitely bares a similar appearance to the cover of the Police album, but it may also just be a coincidence. Unless there is something else that connects the reference to the police (or a previous reference to the police), I don't think it's worthy of an official mention. Veluet

Weird Drinks

should we also mention a cup of carmels, the "weird drink" that was in Cheat_Commandos...O's? -- DJ Teh Cheat

There's something to this, I think. Off the top of my head, I can remember the piemonade and the various chocolate desserts (those weren't drinks, but still). Maybe a "Weird Food" running gag page?
Not a bad idea... maybe? Well I checked it out and there's this page which is missing already lists Suudsu. -- Stux 21:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Suudsu sounds kinda like Kudzu. Noteworthy?

Contact Buzz?

Is it just me, or is this the Brothers' first reference to illicit drugs in H*R? As far as I know, a "contact buzz" or "contact high" only occurs from second-hand marijuana smoke...although, it may just be my one-track mind =P --TheSyndicate88

Just you. The first one that comes to mind is from Jorn Barger's Anti-Math code. And how is your Google-fu? Yeah, it's pretty commonly associated with dope, as you can see. But 'only occurs'? Give me a break. Eritain the Peculiar 22:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Furthermore, I seem to recall a scroll buttons song that said, "And if you're trying to fade me then you must smoke crack!" That would seem also to refer to illicit drugs. Heimstern Läufer 00:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

The Cheat's knife

Is The Cheat's knife the Big Knife? — It's dot com 22:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Let's compare I R F 23:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I think a better comparison would be to use Image:bigknife.png, as that's a PBTC Big Knife, and shows two clearly different knives. --DorianGray
The Cheat's knife really doesn't look like the Big Knife at all. — It's dot com 23:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. The one used here is more of an ordinary steak knife, as opposed to the Big Knife. --DorianGray
Keep in mind, though, that PBTC style is low on consistency. Just look at how many ways he's drawn Strong Bad. I'm not so sure we can say definitively that it's not The Big Knife; simply that if it is it ain't lookin so big from where we're standin. —AbdiViklas 01:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Definition of Rigamorale

I've modified this twice and it's been reverted both times.

This is the original definition: Rigamarole (a variant of rigmarole) is "a complex and ritualistic procedure."

I felt this didn't completely convey the meaning of Rigamarole and how it pertains to this sbemail. So I looked up the definition on reference.com, and then reworded the definition:

  • Rigamarole is a complicated and/or petty set of procedures; these procedures may also be ritualistic in fashion.

I also changed the format so it was consistent visually with the definition above it.

Are there any arguments against this change? Any suggestions or recommendations?

Veluet

Nobody has disputed this so I'm making the change. Veluet 00:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't been around to respond. The way you've found it worded is my change from what was originally definition 1, " Confused, rambling, or incoherent discourse," which is obviously not how SB is using it. I was about to go with "complicated, petty," except that I found m-w.com's definition with "ritualistic," which I thought hit best what he was getting at. Upon reflection, actually I do have a problem with "petty"; it's a negative value judgement that doesn't seem to match Strong Bad's behavior. His attitude in response to The Cheat's needs seems pretty positive & supportive ("Sleep tight, sweet prince"); "petty" implies that the procedure is unnecessary, undesirable, and aggravating. Although I would probably conclude, personally, that it is all three, Strong Bad doesn't seem to, at least not explicitly. (And regardless of the definition used, I'm not fond of "and/or" or the "ritualistic in fashion" construction.) Aside from "petty," which I don't want to bring into the definition, I'm not sure how dictionary.com's definition differs substantially from m-w's, so hoping you will understand my reasoning, I will now change it back. (If you don't agree with me and feel strongly about it, please don't be offended, but continue the discussion!) —AbdiViklas 01:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for replying. It came off to me that Strong Bad's use of the word Rigamorale had a touch of sarcasm. This is because Strong Bad tends to sway more towards being humorous as apposed to being sensitive, and upgrading the status of a situation to "petty" fits with this style of humor. Also, The Cheat wasn't present when Strong Bad used the word Rigamorale. In the past Strong Bad has chosen being humorous over being sensitive to The Cheat's needs (such is the case when Strong Bad receives e-mails intended for The Cheat).
Dropping the and/or and in fashion portion is a definite, I don't know why it occurred to me to use that fluff.
How about:
Rigamarole (a variant of rigmarole) is "a complex and ritualistic procedure which may be perceived as petty."
Veluet 15:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Works for me! (Especially because the "may be" doesn't lock it into a statement about Strong Bad's meaning.) —AbdiViklas 06:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Ch8ter Boi

  • If we went by pronunciation rules, wouldn't The Ch8t be pronounced "The Chait"? (I remember a similar fact appearing in the email where they spray-painted "St8k" on Marzipan.) -Mistress of Bad Discussion Titles
    • It's listed as a remark in mile (for "Dunkin' the Ch8t") as well. -- Spell4yr 22:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Perhaps that's how his name is pronounced in Native Cheat-ese? :) 131.111.250.142 06:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
      • I think that his name would be pronounced "Meh Meh" in Cheat-ese.Jhonka
        • Judging from his character video (if the syntactic structure of spoken The Cheat corresponds to the provided English subtitles), the expression "I'm The Cheat" translates to a trisyllabic construction that is identical in inflection. The "The Cheat" portion descends in a sort of mumble; my closest estimation is "nabub," as in "Meh! Heah, hilnabub." It should be emphasized that the difficulties of transliteration from a purely spoken language render any transcription in Roman characters severely lacking for scholarly purposes. —AbdiViklas 06:21, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Gavin Questions

maybe we should put in the inside references that "gavin safe" refers to the bug that has been seen once or twice in strong bad emails.

Also, i noticed that on the Strong bad main page, we were wondering if the bug is Gavin, but the picture of gavin on the bug spray can looks soo much like the bug on the main page, that i think that it is Gavin in the first place. posted by DDRfreak1 23:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

As to the first bit, I think the link will suffice. But yeah, we've got an on-going debate about this right now at Talk:Gavin. --DorianGray

Concious Visciousness

Whoa—note the parallel between the misspeling of vicious in Teen Girl Squad Issue 10 and conscious here! It's almost like it's compensation. —AbdiViklas 02:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Security Item

Does no one else think that Strong Bad calling The Denzel the Cheat's security item a reference to Linus and his security blanket? I think it is plain that it is a reference, especially the way that Strong Bad pauses before he finishes what he was going to say. Colonel Burnsides

Strong Bad pauses because he doesn't know what to call The Denzel, and failing to come up with something specific, he finally decides to just call it the generic term item. It is true that the phrase "security blanket" was coined in the Peanuts comic strip to describe Linus's blanket, but the term has long since entered the lexicon and established itself in its own right. — It's dot com 20:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Powered by the cheat

Doesn't the Cheat do the voices for his "powered by the cheat" stuff? How can Strong Bad tell stories that way? MuncherOfSpleens 21:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Not always. Strong Bad did the lyrics in Everybody to the Limit, and Coach Z did them in the music video at the end of New Boots. But the fact that PBTC Strong Bad does the voices in the PBTC section of this email does make for an interesting question... - KieferSkunk 21:28, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
You saw The Cheat's thought bubble, right? He's imagining this along with Strong Bad's story. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
I didn't see the thought bubble, but the difference between Everybody to the Limit and this is that Mike does the voices on one, and Matt does the voices of the other. I R F 21:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I just thought it was weird that the voices in the story sound nothing like Strong Bad's Teen Girl Squad voices. MuncherOfSpleens

A Discussion on Milk

What the heck is 'skim milk'? Perhaps you are thinking of 'skimmed milk' - milk with almost 0% fat. Maybe it's different in Free Country USA. Ppk01 08:37, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

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