Talk:Who Said What Now?

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Note: This game used to have a different name and a different shape. We're aware of that. Due to circumstances outside our control, we're not going into further detail at this time. Until we are able to discuss it further, please do not ask about it or worry about it too much. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

Does anyone know where I can find that fan music video for Strong Sad's line? I always liked it. --VolatileChemical 04:20, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

I know where you can find it. It's called "Strong Bad Rocks Out" by The Skate Party. You can listen to it (or download it) using a link on my forum. Here's the URL: [1] Enjoy! —THE PAPER ^PREEEOW 14:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Or go here- http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/187036. Ookelaylay 20:59, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The tab

the tab has 3-type-D animation, ie, when you pull it, it comes up horizontal, when its at rest its at a diagonal angle. csours 09:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Is That A Cold One?

i always thought that the "dink" heard during strong bads say was a cold one bottle cap coming off. and i still think it is. should i put this up in stuff? -Homsar7^{(Hom · Sar)}

I think it's pretty hard to say what it is, as there's no visual to match it to. Anything at all is pretty much speculation. --DorianGray

Name Change

This game is now called "Who said what?" I think it's because of the copyright issue thing. - The Joe^(Talk) 21:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Noted and moved. Thanks for the update! --DorianGray 21:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it worth noting somewhere in the article the reason for the name change? —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Doubtful. That's not really part of the encyclopedic significance. — Lapper (talk) 00:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's an important part of the game's history. But we should wait how everything turns out before we add it. Loafing 00:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. When did it change? Boy, this is getting to be an interesting week. --Jnelson09 22:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, why won't we note the name change? If we aren't sure of the reason why the name was changed, we don't have to jump to conclusions, we could just say something like "This game's title was '(crud, I forgot the original title!)' when it was first released. It was changed to 'Who Said What Now?' in early 2007." And moreover, why is the page protected now? — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 17:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's highly likely Mattel, who made the toy the old game made fun of, tried to sue them. That's why the page is locked with no mention of the original name. Bad Bad Guy 17:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Now that the game has been changed, is it permissible to put a picture of the new game up? גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 22:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I should think so, yes. --DorianGray 22:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Locked?

Somehow I ended up logged out, and when I noticed this page on RecentChanges, I noticed it was locked. The only explanation given is that it was "at the request of Karen Wagner"... I suppose, looking at the above comments, I might have a guess why it was locked (copyright issues?), but that said, how accurate is my guess? And does it still need to be locked? --Jay (Talk) 23:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, the image was removed per KW (according to the history) and now has been restored. a) are we allowed to do this and b) can someone please explain what's going on? --Stux 05:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's a new image. Different image. But I should probably check first... *sweatdrop* I've commented it out for now, until I get an okay... --DorianGray 05:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Is it still appropriate for this page to be locked?—BryanCTC 16:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

It probably doesn't need to be locked for too much longer, but we're trying to tread through this issue carefully, so hold on a little longer... Trey56 16:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Is there a particular reason long-time members are locked as well? I've seen quite a few Wikipedia pages, such as Wikipedia:High School Musical, which were locked only to nonmembers and newbies. If we can lock it for those people only I have an idea for a picture to use in the template. (I know this should go in its own talk page but I didn't know what to call the template) Bad Bad Guy 03:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

We don't need a semi-protected template, thanks. — It's dot com 03:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

i need to add a "view the old version" link (to spin and say) User:slipknot6477

No, we're not going to do that. — It's dot com 23:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

why not?

For reasons that are already listed on this page in various threads. — It's dot com 23:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

In other words, legal reasons not to be discussed at the current time. -- Super Martyo boing! 23:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for article link change

The line The game is a parody of Mattel's "See 'n Say." should, I think, instead of linking to Mattel's wiki entry, should more appropriately link to the See 'n Say page. --Stux 11:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. --phlip ^T_C 12:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Also, I don't mean to be knit picker, but I was hoping that the Mattel link would go away or look a bit better, since having the word be half link/half text doesn't look as pleasing as if it looked like: Mattel's. --Stux 05:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That is odd. Isn't the appended bit normally swallowed into the link, or is that only for inside links? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  10:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Mine swallows both internal and external links, except any with an "'s". Then it just goes Blue Words Here's. Dunno why. *shrugs* --DorianGray 18:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

My guess is that extra characters are automatically apparended to the link when they are only letters. My guess is that the apostrophe breaks that "autolink". I personally don't like that feature and opt to link it myself. --Stux 03:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

But don't. The link is to the noun, not the possessive, and shouldn't be linked as though it were. Also, we should avoid piped links when possible. — It's dot com 00:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

True. The link is a noun and not the possessive, but it just looks soooo much prettier! Lol. And we rename things all the time! Oh is that what you mean by avoiding piped links when possible? But I like piped links! They're my frieeend! ... *awkward silence* Right. Anyway, I just think form over function might be a nice idea in this very... isolated... case. Yeah. Isolated. --Stux 02:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Add some links

Would it be appropiate to add links to the original version? I couldn't add them myself because the edit buttons appear to be hidden.

I don't think we should. --DorianGray 00:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

If anything, we should put it on Secret Pages, but only after this page and the other pages involving the toy are unprotected, and the copyright issue is resolved Dr. Clash 00:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we should pretend "Sp*n 'N S*y" never existed and it has always been Who Said What?. --DorianGray 00:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I concur. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  00:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, there are places where the forbidden name is used, such as the Third Games Menu and Why Come Only One Girl?. Also the old Handheld Games Menu mirrors. I say that we don't do anything more until we get the Chapmans' ok. - Dr. Clash 00:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

That is likely for the best. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How can Secret Pages and Astro-Lite 2600 include links to Lite Brite if it is a registered trademark of Hasbro? Bad Bad Guy 15:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

That issue hasn't yet surfaced as a problem (and hopefully never will). Trey56 15:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible for us to pretend this game was always this state without creating the impression Kidelectrix predates Videlectrix? Bad Bad Guy 19:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're doing a damn good job of erasing The Game That Apparently Must Not Be Named from history, let me say. I came across this page and thought, "Ah, it's been changed", but then found no reference to [that game]. I know how obsessive you fanboys are at documenting every little thing about Homestar Runner, so I frantically searched for any reference at all to [that game] on the wiki, but found none, and thought to myself, "Have I gone mad? Did I just imagine [that game]? Why on earth isn't there a reference to it?" Nothing made sense until I found this talk page, from which the situation can be inferred.

Pandering to the dictates of the Chaps aside, I don't see why there shouldn't be a reference to it on this site. It isn't affiliated to homestarrunner.com, so there can't be any ramifications, can there? Well, there's my bit. Thanks for causing so much confusion. --84.67.250.92 22:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. Unfortunately, it's not going to change anytime soon, at least not until the dust finally settles. You may think we're pandering fanboys—and that's fine, you can think that if you want—but really we're being respectful of them and their request. Also, I think it shows poor discretion if one's bottom line in making decisions is "Meh, what's the worst that can happen?". In cases like that, it's almost always better not to find out. — It's dot com 22:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait, why is this an issue? Is it because of the copyright on the original errm... thing by mattel? I got lost. Suddenly everyone's acting like we need to clean up after a murder. -- Super Martyo boing! 23:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

The nature of the issue is such that we won't be discussing it at present; however, in due time we will explain the full reasoning behind everything. I know it's frustrating, but we are asking for your patience for a while longer. Thanks for your cooperation. — It's dot com 23:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand. When a legal issue comes up like this, the best thing to do is exactly what you and all the other sysops and admins are doing. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

If I may chip in my thoughts on this, to avoid confusion (i.e. the aformentioned "Kidelectrix predates Videlectrix!?!" thing), whenever it is deemed we can edit this again, we could simply say "This game is an edited version of an older game, with Homsar's quote and the Kidelectrix name added" or something--we can be ambiguous and not say anything about the older game's content, just say that this one is a new version of an older game. Evan 00:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Here's my two cents: Evan's plan is a good one for now, but in the future, should there ever be a resolution, we can give a full explanation as to what happened to the (BLEEEEEEEEP). --Jnelson09 04:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Are you referring to something like, "Homsar's quote and the Kidelectrix label were added later," because that sounds good to me. Bad Bad Guy 21:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we could also treat the Kidelectrix label the way we treat the changes of the secret phrases from Homestar Talker and the music from Dancin' Bubs. Bad Bad Guy 17:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

About a Fun Fact

I don't like the word "parody". Please change the text "This game is a parody of Mattel's See 'n' Say" to something else. Thank you. Remember: YOU made me hate this word. — 76.184.188.124 (Talk | contribs) 17:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC) (left unsigned)

Look for a second at the definition of the word, the relevant part of which I will highlight here: "An artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of another work for comic effect." That is exactly what this game is. But never mind that. TBC, via their representative, specifically asked us to use that word. It stays. — It's dot com 18:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

They're s'posed to what?

Where can I find out more about the copyright issue? Did Mattel try to sue them or something? Bad Bad Guy 23:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't know. All we know is this was always "Who Said What", and the rest doesn't need to be elaborated on. --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 23:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if we can pull that off since the original name is still used in Secret Pages and Old Flash Stuff. Bad Bad Guy 22:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Homsar

Hey, Homsar has a line but it's not translated to text!

HOMSAR:AaAaAh, My cheese is 50 cent!

-Ben from the fanstuff wiki

You can just put it on the page you know :) This must be an addition to the original because I've noticed that all of the timings for the subtitles are out of sync now.—BryanCTC 23:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, I didn't realize the page was locked from editing.—BryanCTC 23:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

An administrator will need to add this.—BryanCTC 02:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

why is it quieter? Slipknot6477 16:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's quieter. It sounds different because it was added later. By the time TBC added his line, what they recorded had a better sound quality than the other buttons. Homestar-Winner (talk) 17:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Just something I'd thought I'd say, the cowbell at the end of Strong Bad's line is muted.

Stuff To Add

• The Handheld Games Menu still calls this game Who Said What?
• Include a link in Marzipan's quote to The Only Girl. Thank you for your time. Bad Bad Guy 05:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The first one would fit better on Handheld Games Menu than on this page, I think. As for the second one, we usually don't link characters' speech in transcripts. I tried figuring out a different way to work it in, but nothing came to me. Any suggestions? Trey56 05:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd say add is as a fun fact:

• Marzipan's line refers to the fact that she is considered the only female lead.

Feel free to reword to make it sound better. --Stux 13:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that sounds prooty grood — I added it. Trey56 15:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Another thing to mention is that Homestar doesn't have a mouth on his picture. I'm still cheesed off that this page is protected in the first place (I'm not going to ask why). Can we just ban it from annonies? Or is it that bad? -- Super Martyo boing! 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see [2]. Sorry about this, and thanks for understanding. Loafing 00:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Should headers for Remarks, Inside References, Real-World References, and Fast Forward be added? Everything Else, Volume 2 has less Fun Facts but still uses headers. Bad Bad Guy 17:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Here's some facts I couldn't find on the page:

• "Each day we die a little more" will be repeated in Strong Sad's Lament and Halloween Potion-ma-jig.
• "I'm the only girl" will be referenced in Halloween Potion-ma-jig and Why Come Only One Girl? (If we add this Stux's fact might become unneccesary) Bad Bad Guy 21:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

If you guys don't find those facts notable or headers necessary at least tell me why. Bad Bad Guy 02:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I think your suggestions were merely overlooked, not purposefully ignored. I thought they were good ideas, and I added them. Best, Trey56 05:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

New Fun Fact

I noticed that the characters on the buttons resemble the character designs from the back page of the FAQ. Just puttin' this up here, in case you want to STUFF it. 76.184.199.4 02:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

What part of the FAQ? Homestar-Winner (talk) 02:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you mean the static characters on the last page — they're very close, but I can find subtle differences in all of them except Pom Pom... Trey56 03:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

For kids?

Anyone else notice that Homsar's picture in this resembles the one used in For Kids in Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man?'s theme song? -Free Bagels 01:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Fact/Goof

Is it a fact or a goof that the narrator refers to every character with a "the" infront of their name except for The Cheat? It should be "the The Cheat says..." -JamesDean 19:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

you forgot the KOT and the poopsmith, both of whom have integral articles. not a goof or a relevant fact. — Defender1031*Talk 19:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

The King and Poopsmith are not always integral like The Cheat is, though. --DorianGray 19:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

still, they are mostly, as evidenced by their page names The King of Town and The Poopsmith. Ergo, still not relevant. — Defender1031*Talk 19:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

If this toon were created today, then it might be different, but it was from way back when they hadn't firmed up the whole integral article thing. As such, it's not really that notable. — It's dot com 20:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Homsar's line

Would it, erm, hurt if we could at least say "Assumably, Homsar's line was recorded later than the rest, hence the difference in sound quality" or something? It looks kind of silly as it is. D: Evan 23:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fine as it is. It's not silly at all. Loafing 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The old game

Wow, since when was this changed? I think it used to be a Spin 'n Say, because that redirects here. Where you pulled a string and the quotes cycled through 11 different guys. 75.46.60.77 17:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The name changed a little over four months ago, and then the game itself was updated about two months ago, because of the work of outside forces. — It's dot com 21:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. M*ttel got The Brothers Chaps to change it because they felt their copyrights were being skimped. (M*ttel manufactures Sp*n 'n S*y, ya know.) 71.231.56.40 21:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

None of that is a secret; we are just choosing not to discuss the details at present. — It's dot com 21:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

um... who said what nows article is crazy and we need to get the spin and say/who said what now thing finished. most of its discussion is with secret pages. we got to get this settled in a pole home. slipknot6477|slipknot6477

We have finished the page and the only problems are people who continue to bring it up. I'm not sure what you mean by "pole home", but there is no need to continue discussion about the previous happenings of Who Said What Now?. --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 15:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think all the hush hush secrecy is a little bit confusing and unnecessary. If a representative of TBC asked us to not mention the old version of this game, can't we at least say that much on the main article? Otherwise it's confusing and makes people ask about it on here, which we're appearantly trying to avoid. Just put: "Due to a request by Karen Wagner (or whoever it was), details about the original version of Who Said What Now? have been intentionally omitted."--.Johnny Jupiter! ^talk _cont 03:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Old Games

Is it notable that this game's back button links to the old games menu unlike the other old games, which link to the new games menu? And if so, could some sysop add it? Homestar-Winner (talk) 22:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Current Status

Did anyone try emailing Karen Wagner to see if it is safe to unlock this page and Why Come Only One Girl? Bad Bad Guy 22:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes. I received a response telling us that she would talk it over with the Chaps and get back to us. — It's dot com 03:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Why exactly do we care?

The Bros have clearly done all they need to do to protect themselves, so why are we following suit? Mirrors, references to the old one, and what all else are as necessary as they are appropriate. Don't be cowards now, or the copyright lawyers will take over the world and we won't have a free country anymore :(