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==Character themes==
==Character themes==
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: Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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:: Could someone decompile the seperate themes? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 23:27, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 
==Multiple endings==
==Multiple endings==
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This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth [[User:68.54.84.110|68.54.84.110]] 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth [[User:68.54.84.110|68.54.84.110]] 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
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'''HE'S BOTH!''' 13:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
 
== Painfully dumb question... ==
== Painfully dumb question... ==
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It seems rather clear thar "an egg" has an integral article--it is refered to as such even in situations where "the egg" would be more appropriate, as it is clear this egg is the only egg in the game. --[[User:71.221.232.189|71.221.232.189]] 17:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems rather clear thar "an egg" has an integral article--it is refered to as such even in situations where "the egg" would be more appropriate, as it is clear this egg is the only egg in the game. --[[User:71.221.232.189|71.221.232.189]] 17:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
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I think it's a deliberate mistake by TBC, as it is dificult to determin in Russian, wether it's supposed to read "an egg" or "the egg".  Let me explain, this game is (presumably) supposed to look like it was made in Russia, then brought over here and had it's title poorly translated.  That is really a joke by TBC, as it parodies how forgin games often have poor translation - like all the "Engrish" that has been put into the Stinkoman games. [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 16:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 
== Translation Error ==
== Translation Error ==
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-{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 19:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
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==Programming error==
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==Not a goof==
"A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs". The liar always responds with a lie. How is it a goof that he lies and claims to own an item he does not? In traditional one-person-always-lies one-person-always-tells-the-truth logic puzzles, this is one way to out the liar, by asking him a question about himself. [[User:Nard|Nard]] 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
"A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs". The liar always responds with a lie. How is it a goof that he lies and claims to own an item he does not? In traditional one-person-always-lies one-person-always-tells-the-truth logic puzzles, this is one way to out the liar, by asking him a question about himself. [[User:Nard|Nard]] 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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::If it's something TBC could have avoided, Remarks, otherwise, Glitches. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::If it's something TBC could have avoided, Remarks, otherwise, Glitches. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Definitely not a glitch - how can we be sure this wasn't intentional to offer the player a strategic tool? It can be a remark, so long as we do not suppose it's a mistake, but just the way things were done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Definitely not a glitch - how can we be sure this wasn't intentional to offer the player a strategic tool? It can be a remark, so long as we do not suppose it's a mistake, but just the way things were done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
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:This is a goof - it's a programming error explained in the "Decompiled Script Findings" just above this section, and I've got the offending source-code snippet on my Talk page to prove it. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::You speak as if you're sure this was unintended. Can you really be so sure? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::If it is a goof, then it's pretty dang minor if the only thing it does is make the liars lie.  So what if you found a faulty code snippet?  They probably noticed the mistake, then realized the mistake made it do what it was supposed to do anyway, and left it alone.  It's certianly not worth mentioning a mistake that could only ever be noticed by ripping the Flash file to shreds.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 06:32, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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After looking at [[User talk:ReverendTed#Where's An Egg Source Code Snippet|the code]], I agree with ReverendTed that this is definitely a goof. Here is the relevant part, in English:
 
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*You the player ask a suspect about one of the items.
 
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*The game randomly selects whether the suspect will reply with a person or a place.
 
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*If it selects to reply with a person, it then checks whether the suspect is a liar.
 
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*If the suspect is a liar, the game randomly chooses a reply.
 
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*The game first checks to make sure the randomly-chosen person is not the real answer to the question (otherwise the suspect wouldn't be lying).
 
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*Then it checks to make sure the randomly-chosen <u>person</u> is not the same as the <u>item</u> at the current location. For example, "Is the man in the red hat equal to the pencil?" (Notice it doesn't ask whether the man ''has'' the pencil, but whether the man ''is'' the pencil.) <u>The answer to this question can never be true</u> (at least, not the way they intended; see ReverendTed's note below), and thus it is possible for a suspect to reply with their own face. For the question to make sense, the game should check whether the randomly-chosen person is the same as the <u>person</u> at the current location.
 
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When the game makes similar checks in other places, the code is correct:
 
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*If you ask about an item and a liar replies with a place, the game checks to make sure the randomly-chosen place is not the current location.
 
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*If you ask a liar about a person, the game checks to make sure that either randomly-chosen item is not the item at the current location or that the randomly-chosen place is not the current location.
 
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Even though this error results in a slight advantage for the player, I don't believe it was intentional on the part of the programmer. Otherwise, instead of having the game check to see whether characters are the same as items, it just wouldn't check anything at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:But still, all the goof does is make the liar lie.  The only way it could possibly be known that it's a goof is by decompiling the Flash file and reading the script.  This would be like if they had a comment tag in a script that said <code><//-- make marsipans face turn red here --//></code>, and we listed the goof that they misspelled Marzipan.  The goof is irrelevant outside the code.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 16:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::No, that would be entirely different. That scenario would not affect anything in the toon, but this programming error actually affects the game. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 16:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::But in a way that is virtually unnoticable--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 16:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::::The goof does not make the liar lie. What's happening is that the program is trying to make sure the liar doesn't reply with his or her own face, but the goof prevents this check from ever happening. I would not characterize this as "virtually unnoticeable". In fact, when a suspect replies with his or her own face, it is ''very'' noticeable. In addition, we are looking at the code for clues about the actual gameplay, not nitpicking comments. The fact that the only way to discover that this is a goof is by looking at the code does not make it less of a goof. On the contrary, I think it makes it even more interesting. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::::You ask about an item and he lies and says he has it when he doesn't.  I don't see why that's such a big goof.  Yeah, the program's not supposed to let him reply with his own face, but why does it matter that it does?  It just makes him lie about something.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 16:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::::::In my opinion, the fact that you can only know it's a goof by looking at the code only makes it irrelevant to the toon.  If we had a page that listed errors in the Flash files (do we?), that would be the place to list something like this.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::::::While playing the game, I wondered if they meant for it to work the way it does. Now, looking at the code, I can see that it was most likely a mistake, which is rightly noted in this article. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::::::::Well, how 'bout if we at least reword it?  "A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs" makes it sound like it's obvious that they're not supposed to answer with their own face, but I don't think it's that obvious.  How about "A liar isn't supposed be able to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs.  A programming error allows them to do this."--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::::::::It was my wording in the first place, so perhaps I'm a bit biased, but I think the original wording of the Goof ("A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs") was the most succinct way to describe it accurately.  The new wording says basically the same thing but takes a good deal longer to get the point across, though I suppose I can see the benefit of alluding to the other checks that DO function correctly. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 16:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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:One clarification to It's dot com's description above (as if this issue wasn't confounding enough already) - The person, item, and location IDs are simply numerical indexes of 1 through 9, so asking if "Person X" is Equal to "Item Y" could <i>sometimes</i> be true - it's just that the offending check eliminates one <i>random</i> person (the character whose personal ID matches the randomly-selected number of the liar's item ID) instead of eliminating the <i>intended</i> person (the number of the liar's personal ID). -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 16:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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Regarding the timer, Phlip made {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Where%27s_an_Egg%3F&diff=481346&oldid=481345 this edit}} moving it to the goofs section, and I'm assuming he had a reason for putting it there instead of glitches. I'm bringing it up here so that perhaps he or someone can shed some light on what specifically makes this a goof. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 
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::Ok, so here's what I've found.  Some aspects of the code are a little out of my league, but this is my understanding of the issue:
 
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::*The timer graphic begins as plain text "000".
 
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::*The internal timer itself is initialized at 999, the internal timer function calls itself (I think?), then a CallBack function is started at a 1 second interval.
 
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::*The CallBack function (apparently after the first 1 second interval) immediately decrements the timer by 1 (to 998) and then calls the function to draw the timer.
 
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::Unfortunately, my Windows search function is acting up, making it difficult to trace relations in the various script files, but it appears to me that the code is <i>supposed</i> to update the timer graphic immediately after initializing the internal timer to 999 by calling itself, but calling itself doesn't actually update the graphic (and accomplishes nothing, as far as I can tell, though this is one of those aspects of the code that I'm not entirely confident with) - since the CallBack function uses different code for that. So, I think it's a programming <u>goof</u>, and not necessarily a <u>glitch</u>.  -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 18:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 
== Why are you reverting these edits? ==
== Why are you reverting these edits? ==
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* The three spaceships that fly by are all russian made.
* The three spaceships that fly by are all russian made.
* The three spaceships are a reference to Tetris, a russian video game.
* The three spaceships are a reference to Tetris, a russian video game.
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* The wiki itself explains that the game has russian references (read the *WHOOPS!* article, especially the trivia section!)
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* The wiki itself explains that the game has russian references (read the damn article, especially the trivia section!)
The edits were...
The edits were...
* The fact the game is in Russian meaning you can't understand what's going on and have to make guess work.
* The fact the game is in Russian meaning you can't understand what's going on and have to make guess work.
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:::::I'd be unhappy with the first fact, because it's basically speculation. Yes, some people see the connection when they play the game, and I can definitely see this being true. But we don't know if that was the actual intention of TBC, so it's a bit too bold to claim that it is. What we usually do is note this on the talk page, as we've now done. As for the second fact, there is currently only one Google result for the phrase in question [http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22mobile%20is%20the%20future%2C%20my%20main%20man%22]. I haven't seen the movie myself, but it doesn't seem to be a quote from anywhere.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I'd be unhappy with the first fact, because it's basically speculation. Yes, some people see the connection when they play the game, and I can definitely see this being true. But we don't know if that was the actual intention of TBC, so it's a bit too bold to claim that it is. What we usually do is note this on the talk page, as we've now done. As for the second fact, there is currently only one Google result for the phrase in question [http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22mobile%20is%20the%20future%2C%20my%20main%20man%22]. I haven't seen the movie myself, but it doesn't seem to be a quote from anywhere.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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:::::::I am the one who reverted the "my main man" fact and i stand by it. To add to what loafing said, the phrase "my main man" has over [http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=%22my+main+man%22&btnG=Search&meta= 224,000 google hits], hence showing it to be a common phrase and not based on that movie. Furthermore, to Nsayer and whoever else, I judge edits based on content and content alone. There have been many times when [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=rock_opera&diff=prev&oldid=479069 I've] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Cardboard_Marzipan&diff=prev&oldid=467397 reverted] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=DNA_Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=456825 even] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=dangeresque_3&diff=prev&oldid=478669 the] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=mini-golf&diff=prev&oldid=488970 more] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=marzipan&diff=prev&oldid=487197 experienced] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Quality_Time&diff=prev&oldid=487136 users]. So please stop getting all bent out of shape about your edits not getting in, and please continue to edit, and if the content is deemed good by the community, I guarantee you it will stay. Nothing to get discouraged about. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 
::::::..groan.. It's always gotta be "actual intentions," does it?  Actually, I didn't really notice where this (the one about the game being hard to understand) was originally placed.  It ''is'' a bit to speculative for the summary, but wouldn't be okay under Remarks??--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 21:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::..groan.. It's always gotta be "actual intentions," does it?  Actually, I didn't really notice where this (the one about the game being hard to understand) was originally placed.  It ''is'' a bit to speculative for the summary, but wouldn't be okay under Remarks??--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 21:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::If we say "The game recreates..." or anything of the like, wouldn't you think that we strongly imply that this was intentional?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::If we say "The game recreates..." or anything of the like, wouldn't you think that we strongly imply that this was intentional?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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::::::::::Hmm... Well, I went up to read the opening summary as it is now to see how we might be able to fit all that in, but now that I look at it, the direct quote from Videlectrix does a pretty good job at summing up confusion and foreign language/bad translation.  So then... I guess it's fine as is.  I still think the original edit "The game recreates the trial-and-error aspects and confusion of playing games in another language" would look nice and pretty in remarks, but I guess I'm the only one.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 22:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Hmm... Well, I went up to read the opening summary as it is now to see how we might be able to fit all that in, but now that I look at it, the direct quote from Videlectrix does a pretty good job at summing up confusion and foreign language/bad translation.  So then... I guess it's fine as is.  I still think the original edit "The game recreates the trial-and-error aspects and confusion of playing games in another language" would look nice and pretty in remarks, but I guess I'm the only one.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 22:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Meh, it seems to obvious for a full-fledged remark. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Meh, it seems to obvious for a full-fledged remark. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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I am the one who reverted the "my main man" fact and i stand by it. To add to what loafing said, the phrase "my main man" has over [http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=%22my+main+man%22&btnG=Search&meta= 224,000 google hits], hence showing it to be a common phrase and not based on that movie. Furthermore, to Nsayer and whoever else, I judge edits based on content and content alone. There have been many times when [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=rock_opera&diff=prev&oldid=479069 I've] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Cardboard_Marzipan&diff=prev&oldid=467397 reverted] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=DNA_Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=456825 even] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=dangeresque_3&diff=prev&oldid=478669 the] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=mini-golf&diff=prev&oldid=488970 more] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=marzipan&diff=prev&oldid=487197 experienced] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Quality_Time&diff=prev&oldid=487136 users]. So please stop getting all bent out of shape about your edits not getting in, and please continue to edit, and if the content is deemed good by the community, I guarantee you it will stay. Nothing to get discouraged about. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
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==Russian dialogue==
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Why is the dialogue in Russian? [[User:MHarrington|MHarrington]] 07:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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:Why not? =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
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== Tron ==
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Does anyone think that [[:Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Mechanic.png|one of the men]] is Tron? I think he looks a lot like a pixelated version of him. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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:no way to really tell. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
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::I disagree with both of you. I think it's easy to tell that he doesn't look like Tron all that much at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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== Heavy plays "Where's an Egg?" ==
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In ''[[Poker Night at the Inventory]]'', the Heavy reveals that he only plays one video game. To [[Strong Bad]]'s surprise, it's ''Where's an Egg?''  Should this be mentioned in the article? - [[User:SnakeBoxer202|SnakeBoxer202]] 23:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
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:It already is. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 09:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
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