Talk:Strong Bad Smiling

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Dang, this is a top-notch page. Good work Miguel! Thunderbird 01:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

His smile is... fetching! Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

He smiles through most of Candy Product, and it's CREEPY. Geh. --66.241.95.65 20:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Weird coincidence. This page (discussing how rarely SB smiles) goes up, and 4 days later we get an email full of what? SB smiling! Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 18:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I think it's an even weirder coincidence that after our discussion about whether SB's smile was so common it was no longer out of character, he didn't smile for 2 months. Bad Bad Guy 00:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

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Notable?

With nearly two dozen appearances, I fail to see how his smile is notable... :S - Joshua 03:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

With 150 emails plus other appearance, I fail to see why not. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Still, we should rewrite the opening paragraph, 2 dozen is much more than 'few' :D Gerkuman 12:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm also unsure why this page is notable. I can understand pages like Strong Sad Smiling and Strong Mad Smiling — their names imply that their personalities are generally "sad" and "mad", respectively, and for them to smile is contrary to their general demeanors. Strong Bad on the other hand is "bad", but that doesn't necessarily imply a lack of smiling. In fact, I think that stereotypical villains smile a lot, but usually because they're doing something evil that gives them pleasure. I believe that a lot of Strong Bad's smiles are of this type, which is by no means contrary to his nature.

On top of this, the great number of instances of Strong Bad smiling makes me question its importance. If it's not an uncommon event at all, why are we noting it? It just means more work to pay attention to every instance of a common event and make sure we add it onto the end of this list.

So, unless I'm missing something, I'm beginning to think that this article should be deleted. Anybody agree or disagree? Trey56 23:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need this page (or Strong Mad Smiling, for that matter). Seeing Strong Bad smile is not exactly a rare occurrence, and it doesn't draw the viewer's attention the way Strong Sad smiling would. Delete.SamSF%20sig.jpgFisher (Come in, Lambert.) 23:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he smiles quite a lot these days. Delort.Arkyopterix 11:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I count 43 instances here and 341 articles total in Strong Bad's filmography, but he does smile more often now. I'm currently neutral. Bad Bad Guy 18:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Although I do think Trey56 was right about the fact smiling would not be out of character for the villain. Bad Bad Guy 21:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it's a little unnecessary for Strong Sad and Strong Mad. Here it's just ridiculous. Why don't we create separate pages for Marzipan and What's-Her-Face and Bubs smiling. Or why stop at smiling? How 'bout we create a page for every time Strong Bad sits down, every time Homestar opens a door, and every time the KOT walks in from the right side of the screen. We're documenting common occurrences here. Please delete.--.Johnny Jupiter! talk cont 23:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok, calm down Johnny. I agree that this should be deleted, at this point, it's a common thing for Strong Bad to do. One seventh of his appearances have him doing it. It sure isn't as noteable as Strong Sad Smiling, SB isn't manically depressed, and I can't remember the last time he has been a genuine villian. He's simply a normal guy now, one that doesn't really like his friends so much, what with all the mean things he does. Well, that last part was pointless, I just wanted to make a sentence out of links.--~ SlipStream 04:09, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The only thing stopping me from changing my vote to delete is that 36 pages link here. What would we do with those? Bad Bad Guy 17:43, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Logically, if this page gets deleted we would have to remove the links. It seems almost everybody here agrees that SB's smiles aren't notable, so all the "Fun Facts" regarding them or referring to this page would have to be removed. All of the screenshots would also become useless, and the rest of the page links are on Talk pages, where they don't really matter. — SamSF%20sig.jpgFisher (Come in, Lambert.) 18:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
The reason I had to bring that up was because when I tagged pages like The Virus and Modestly Hot Homsar the main argument pointed against me was "it gets linked to a lot." I weakly change my vote to delete.Bad Bad Guy 22:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Then maybe we should also get rid of the page on The Cheat Smiling, too, shouldn't we? MHarrington 20:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I am still of the opinion that among a few hundred appearances, a few dozen instances of Strong Sad smiling, which is decidedly agaiunst character, is in fact notable. Even if these smiles have become more frequent of late, it still remains that he is Strong Sad, and his showing happiness remains notable. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 20:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This isn't Strong Sad though. Bad Bad Guy 21:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
"b" and "s" are right next to each other on my keyboard. (Don't ask.) Same argument applies. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Keep all. Any instance of Strong Bad smiling is notable; he is, after all, a bad, bad guy. If indeed it's becoming more common, then that is also significant, as it might signal a shift in his character, which we should document. (However, looking at the list, I still think it's relatively uncommon.) Furthermore, it would be a mistake to delete any of these articles. If we do, where are we going to move the information? It's unwise to delete so much data that has been here for as long as it has without moving it somewhere, because someone might have linked to it externally. These articles are a set, and they should stay together. — It's dot com 21:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree. KeepLoafing 23:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
But why does being a bad bad guy mean he can't smile? He just smiles for different reasons, like a mischievous, devilish, evil, laugh at my friends expense kind of smile. He's always been like that. I think the only reason he smiles more now is because TBC are getting more dynamic with animating his mouth. It used to only have two shapes—rectangle and circle. It has nothing to do with his change in personality.--.Johnny Jupiter! talk cont 03:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I ran some numbers, and here's my report: Several years ago, there was a sharp rise in incidents of Strong Bad smiling. Before for kids, Strong Bad smiled about once every 31.3 appearances. Since then, he has smiled about once every 3.8 appearances. What's most notable, however, is that the rate has remained steady since that time—over three years ago. Thus, while Strong Bad smiles more often nowadays than he did back when the site was new, he doesn't smile more often now than he has in a long time. This page was created about a year and a half ago, at which time the increased rate was pretty well established, and I don't see any compelling reason to throw all this info away now. — It's dot com 01:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

After reading the above comments, I think the key to whether or not this page should be kept is determining if there is a significant series of instances in which Strong Bad smiles in a non-evil way. That is, he's "acting out of character" by not being "bad".
After looking over the appearances with Dot com, it looks like there really are a good number of "non-evil" smiles in the list (perhaps he can provide more specific numbers), and I think those would constitute a page that is as valid as Strong Mad Smiling or Strong Sad Smiling. So, I'm beginning to think that this page should be kept, with one of the following two modifications:
  1. Limit the appearances to only "non-evil" smiles and adjust the lead paragraph accordingly, or
  2. Divide the appearances into two sections, one for the "evil" smiles, and one for the "non-evil" smiles (with better headings).
So, do any of those who said above that the page should be deleted think that the page would be valid if altered in one of these two ways? Trey56 00:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Of the 35 toons where either Strong Bad himself is shown smiling or he smiles in a drawing that he drew himself, 28 are what I would consider non-evil, while only 10 are evil (there is some overlap). I support dividing the page into categories to better illustrate when he is "bad" and when he is not. I don't think we should remove anything, so we'd also need an "other" category for Powered by The Cheat, fan stuff, etc. — It's dot com 00:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Divide the article into sections. Bad Bad Guy 00:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I still say delete. Evil vs. Non-evil is splitting hairs what need not be split. Smiling isn't out of character for a villain. "Bad" isn't necessarily the opposite of "happy". Maybe he does it more now than he used to, but that's irrelevant. It wouldn't have been unusual for him to do it in the past. Like I said above, I personally think the reason he smiles more now is because TBC got more detailed with his mouth animation. The fact that the frequency of smiles increased all at once instead of gradually supports this.--.Johnny Jupiter! talk cont 04:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Doesn't the animation in a way lead the character? If you go for more detail, more emphasis, in some aspect of your life, you grow in that direction, and your personality will change as a result. Isn't it much the same that when a new element of animation is introduced and used, it will change the character? They may have only made the change in character due to the availability of another animation cel, but they chose to make it. There are times he is smiling out of evil, and times he is smiling out of genuine kindness or pleasure. I see no problem with dividing appearances on those grounds. I see zero grounds for deletion, with respect. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:51, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

i don't see what all the fuss is about. whther he smiles a lot or not, if there's strong mad and strong sad smiling pages, then there should be a strong bad smiling page. i say keep --Acam30 03:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. And DO keep in mind there were times when Strong Bad SHOULD HAVE smiled (e.g. his mouth is still a frown when he sorta cracks up about The Cheat answering emails with "I'll gnaw your face off."). I was referring to cheatday. --Charlie Jr. 16:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how to ask this without making anybody sound stupid (It is never my intent to write 1 of these things solely to mock the sysops), but I actually need it explained to me why Strong Bad's evil smiles are less vilanous than, say, evil laughter. Since my calculations reveal only 12% of Strong Bad's appearances involved smiling, I am not trying to reopen the deletion discussion either.Bad Bad Guy 00:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Strong Bad's face doesn't have a natural smile, which means that to see it any other way is very unusual. I should be surprised if someone used to his cynical frown doesn't suddenly go "Whoa!" on sight of him smiling. If you think Strong Bad's smile isn't notable enough for coverage in an article, I'd like to see you disputing the even less notable instances of chocolate and coffee. If there's no massive discussion/argument for deletion on their notability at the time I post this then we win the argument as far as we're concerned. Maybe we should have an all-inclusive article that goes into vague detail on unusual character animation in general. And that wouldn't be as informative, as this is a fan wiki documenting everything about the Homestar Runner canon. Psi 17:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

part-time job

Could someone teach me how to take a picture of the ending? Bad Bad Guy 22:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Press the print screen button, paste it into an image editing program, and crop as needed. Shwoo 09:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Where is a print screen button? I use Internet Explorer 7. Bad Bad Guy 01:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
It's on your keyboard. "Prt Scrn", often in the pile of keys above the arrows. - Joshua 01:13, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Colon Cancer

I notice on Strong Bad's, Strong Mad's, and Strong Sad's smiling pages [1], the format seems to be ":" instead of "—". (The Cheat Smiling has the em dash.) So, what's wrong with this picture? OptimisticFool 21:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed Bad's page. The Goblin!! 21:38, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Evil Smiles

I counted 11 instances on the article where he smiles out of evil (or badness)

  • A Jorb Well Done
  • The House That Gave Sucky Treats
  • Origins
  • TrogdorCon 97
  • Narrator
  • Candy Product (he's doing destructive things throughout the whole commercial)
  • The Chair
  • Unnatural (he's trying to become a monster)
  • Date Nite
  • DNA Evidence
  • Hygiene (his character is a brat)

Since he is still a bad person in these instances, should I take them offa list? Bad Bad Guy 23:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason I did not remove narrator was because I thought since no one seemed to notice him it wasn't as evil as those other points were. Bad Bad Guy 14:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that this discussion had not reached a consensus as to whether instances of evil smiling should be deleted. As far as I can tell, Qermaq, Trey56, It's dot com and I support keeping evil smiling and re-organizing the page into section with different types of smiling. I still think that's the way to go, and we should put the deleted instances back on. Loafing 17:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Isn't "Evil Smiles" kinda subjective? --Trogga 03:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots

Strong Bad's mouth is a rectangle. When he smiles, one or two lines curve a little bit. I love that this page exists, but I opine that we don't need 34 screenshots for something so similar each time. (The same discussion could be had about each of the Smiling pages.) For Strong Bad, I recommend three (as pictured above). An Evil Smile, a childhood smile, and a PBTC smile. OptimisticFool 00:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Umm... no. There are significantly more variations than those three, and besides, we need more work on this wiki, not less. I do hope this isn't what the cleanup tag refers to. That Game Dude 386 15:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
The cleanup tag refers to #Limits? BBG 15:47, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I should also note that OptimisticFool gave up this suggestion long ago. BBG 15:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

DELETED

Umm That one in Senorial Day does not look at all like smiling. HAJ 20:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you need to watch it again. That's one of his most obvious smiles. OptimisticFool 20:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Limits?

I know we're keeping this article to show how Strong Bad's personality has changed over the years, but noting every little toon in which he smiles is starting to feel excessive. I don't know if it's just me, but the sight of Strong Bad grinning is starting to feel as unremarkable a part of his character as, say, proclaiming he's awesome. I don't think we should delete this article altogether, maybe we just need to stop writing "this is another appearance of Strong Bad smiling" on every single Email page. Should we also decide upon a cutoff year as to when it became more common for him to smile? BBG 01:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. — Defender1031*Talk 01:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
If we decide upon a cutoff year that preceeds 2008, should we remove any instances from this article? BBG 19:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Yep. And if we decide on a cutoff year, this article might need to be renamed to something like Strong Bad's Personality and include other aspects of his personality changing, like his saying "Holy Crap" less and going from the archenemy to the cynical good guy of sorts. It may even need to be merged with his character article. But that doesn't have to happen; just some ideas. -Brightstar Shiner 22:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I've done the math. Strong Bad's appeared in 28 toons this year, and smiled in 12 of those 28. (I only counted cartoons that played on homestarrunner.com) That's almost one time for every month. However, that is not an accurate comparison because I clearly remember times when he smiled in 2 or 3 consecutive toons. Does anyone else think that means the gag is entering "not special" territory? (If I didn't fear it was obnoxious, I'd bring up Awesome again) BBG 16:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Is there not a page about Strong Bad making outrageous claims about his awesomeness? I feel there surely is. -140.247.11.68 17:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
It got deleted. BBG 21:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
I fail to see how a gag with less than 60 appearences is overly prominent. Wanna get rid of Seriously, too? Has about the same number of instances, along with Holy Crap!. That Game Dude 386 15:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I said I didn't want to get rid of this page altogether. I just wanted some feedback on whether the article draws out its point. BBG 16:02, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
A cutoff is too risky- what if this year he smiles 6/28 times? The future is unpredictable- may I suggest a chart or a Fun Fact instead of a deletion/omission?That Game Dude 386 16:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's not 6/28, it's 12/28. BBG 16:19, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
In 2008, but what about 2009? That Game Dude 386 16:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
In 2009, the rate will probably be 50% or higher. BBG 16:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
You know for certain? That Game Dude 386 16:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, it was almost 50% in 2008, and logic says the rate will only increase as the years go by. BBG 16:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Logic said we'd be paying $1.75/litre for gas, but that didn't work out so well. The point is, there are better ways of noting the increase in frequency, and, if it doesn't have the longest list of appearences in the wiki, there really isn't a reason to block and delete instances. That Game Dude 386 16:48, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
There's also some debate as to whether or not it's out of character for Strong Bad. BBG 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. Still no reason to ignore instances. I suggest a chart or a Fun Fact about it instead. That Game Dude 386 19:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Green Guy

Would SB's costume in Most in the Graveyard fit on this page? Strongkinghomsarsmith 19:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so, because it's just like a sheet of paper placed in front of his real mouth, which could be in any shape. - fuchsiania 03:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
No, I think it is his real mouth, since it moves when Strong Bad talks in the way that Strong Bad's mouth normally would move. Thus, I think it should be counted as an appearance. Homestar-Winner (talk) 01:31, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The ghost with the most

On the Jibblies 2 entry, it says that's SB's smiling to show his costume's teeth, but I think he's just being in-character. We can see the teeth when he frowns, anyway. I'd amend the article myself but I've no idea how to re-word it. - Someone who forgot his password TI:ME, 9 December 3219 (GMT)

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