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This entire discussion has been superseded by the Easter egg in [[alternate universe]]. The eyes are in fact googly. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
This entire discussion has been superseded by the Easter egg in [[alternate universe]]. The eyes are in fact googly. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
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:And you ''know'' I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that. In keeping with the alternate reality theme, I'm going to take full credit for that shot. Well, okay: You can get second billing, Qermag. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
===Real-World References===
===Real-World References===

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This is not the new Strong Bad Email, it's just some cartoon hidden on the site that some freaky dude found somehow...right? Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)

This a brand new short, neither a hidden page or the 150th email. You might have to refresh your cache to see the update. - Joshua 05:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh, I see it now. The link on the wiki's just dead. But Lord is it crappy. I'm not giving up on the Chaps, though. They're just coming up with anything funny right now. This one's kind of like trying too hard. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
The HTML page doesn't have the typical sbemail prefix, although the flash does. I fixed it. Benabik 06:08, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I noted it was rather... Simple to make, compared to most. Could just be my mind, but I figure if I'm making a double spectacular 150, why not make a two day short the week before, leaving a week and five to work on the big one-five-oh. Thunderbird 06:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Whatever. I thought it was very cute and funny. And a good way of stalling. Trelawney
I agree with Trelawney - some of you are acting way too snobbish and fickle. Okay, so it wasn't a great toon, but that shouldn't bother anyone much. It's pretty obvious that this was intended as a cop-out toon - filler material until the big 1-5-0. After all, they did the same sort of teaser for the Hundredth Email, and I thought that was a riot. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather get a throwaway toon rather than rush the TBC from a quality product. Besides, it shows that the creators are mindful of their fan's eagerness by trying to slake their appetite. Or gently tease their obsessive behavior.  :) Besides, it wasn't all bad. I liked the coining of the word "Sequicentenn-email." And wouldn't you rather know TBC are working on the email rather than some cryptic update like "Email Soon?" Compdude
I'll just say I laughed my you-know-what off. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 07:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Twees? — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 07:41, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Flex it out! Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 07:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This is apparently the fifth time we hear Strong Bad Couch Mumbling. Once again, he sounds like Senor Cardgage. —2Fast2Furious 10:48, 27 March 2006

I just think it's great that TBC are keeping us in the loop these days, especially after the LOOOOONG, LONG, LONG silence over the holidays that had many people (including me) very scared/upset. --67.8.42.22 03:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Mask

Anyone else think that mask looks an awful lot like the ones Shy Guys wear in the Mario games? — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 06:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to ask that, but according to to the current real-world reference it's from Pink Floyd's The Wall. Gonna have to check on that. Compdude
That's exactly what I thought it was. There have been plenty of video game references in the past, so I figured it was a Shyguy mask. kowski

Image:Mask.png--Collin 07:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I am 100 procent sure that they have the snout in Mario 64, at least.Lord-z 07:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they have a snout in Mario 64 that they shoot bullets from. --AlmostJinkies

Upon further research, the ones with the snout is called Snufits or Snifits. Lord-z 07:22, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Snifits. A type of Shyguy that can shoot bullets. That's the first thing that crossed my mind when I saw that mask, and I have no reason to doubt that that's exactly the reference intended. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Further support of this, if needed, can be drawn from the fact that Super Mario Bros. 2/USA (or, more precisely, Doki Doki Panic upon which it was based), which was where Snifits first appeared, was set completely in a dream world. Goes along vaguely with Homestar as a representation of SB's innermost desires. Also the cloud on Homestar's shirt. Clouds were all over the place in that game. --TheNicestGuy 16:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion. The reason I labled the mask as a reference to Pink Floyd was because at the time Strong Sad was talking about "innermost desires". I agree that it is a reference to the Snifit now that I see the evidence. --Bobmario2 19:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's definitely a Snifit mask.-151.197.47.164

Happy Hundred-and-fiftieth birthday, Jay!

Whoa... waitaminnit... if TBC release email 150 next Monday, then it coincides with my birthday! I... think I'm gonna go do something totally unrelated with trying to come up with the perfect email to send them so they answer it... --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 07:45, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hooray-a for you. It should probably be better than my birthday toon. - Joshua 18:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, my birthday's April 3rd too! I hope it's released then, or better yet, it's my email! I doubt it though... but that would be the awesomest birthday present ever! --MrsCommanderson 01:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Not Quite Sbemail

Should the "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails" be added to the categories? — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 07:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, there is no such Category. There is a section of Strong Bad Emails by that name, and this email is already listed there. --TheNicestGuy 17:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Gosh-golly. Now we done gots usselves a Not Quite Strong Bad Emails category. And this toon's in it. Don't that beat all? --TheNicestGuy 04:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Up in your grill

Would it be worth noting that "Up in your grill" refers to a location in standard storyboard layout?

Not completely sure I understand what you mean. If you mean the spot where "Up in your grill" appears corresponds to where you would find the location indicated on a typical storyboard, I would say it's narrowly unnoteworthy. One would not be likely to miss the joke if one was paying attention to the other boards. Just the fact that the text is listed in the transcript is enough, says me. --TheNicestGuy 16:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Female Lappy

It looks like the Female Lappy has officially made the subtle jump from a figment of Strong Bad's imagination to a real fixture within their universe. — It's dot com 09:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Didn't it already do that in one of the DVD intros? Has Matt? (talk) 12:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, but no one trusts those. >.> - Joshua 13:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Funny you should bring that up. The way I read it, it's entirely possible that Strong Bad's dreaming it all, since nobody's up there, and then it cuts right from the Female Lappy to a groggy Strong Bad. Thunderbird 22:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be actually happening. — It's dot com 23:09, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure that we can't be sure that it's actually happening, but yeah, she probably has gone the way of Trogdor. Though the one strange thing that kinda creeps me out, is that he introduced The Paper to his new "Brother", who's now a Female Lappy. Go figure. Thunderbird 02:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

April Fools

Next week is when the April Fools Day toon should come. I hope they don't get so caught up in email #150 that they forget possibly the best H*R holiday after Halloween. - Joshua 13:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I hope they don't do something really cruel like mislead you to believe some other toon is the 150th email. -Compdude
Uh, too late. --Jay o'Lantern (Haunt) 02:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Quick Drop to Basement

Hey, the transcript says that there's just a quick drop to the basement, but has anyone looked at those frames? Really, honest question. I don't have a flash decompiler, so someone else has to do it. It looks like it pans past something on its way down. Please report, with screenshots.--Bobo the King 14:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Since I can decompile Flash rather quickly, I can investigate this. But don't expect a full "report" and photographic documentation for a while. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 16:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
No such luck. The panning down frames are simply a bunch of blurred screenshots. I doubt you can decompile any details out of them. - Joshua 16:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, here's a screenshot I pulled (posted also on Talk:House of the Brothers Strong). It looks like you can see a crawlspace or a basement window in between floors, but that's about all. Trey56 16:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I see darker wood in the center with two blue labels on it. Like, left from construction. - Joshua 16:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
That's one thick floor too. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 17:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that's meant to be a perspective view through the floor, with the joists running parallel to the camera angle. The lighter framing is the ends of the joists and of the planking, which face us. The "darker wood" is the sides of the joists and tops of the lower planking which recede away from us. And the "blue labels" I think are just the far side of the inner wall. I'd call that cinder-block gray. --TheNicestGuy 17:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I see what you're saying. I drew in some lines to highlight the perspective. Well, I guess the true meaning of Decemberween isn't located between the floors after all... Trey56 20:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

The color scheme kinda reminds me of Dig Dug. — Bill 20:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I know what you mean, but that's got to be coincidence. The color schemes of the computer room and the basement were surely devised separately. --TheNicestGuy 03:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. I wasn't suggesting a Fun Fact, just sharing a pointless personal perception. — Bill 19:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Susqui

Strong Sad pronounces "sesquicentenn-email" "sus-qui-sen-ten-ee-mail" for some reason. Notable, and how? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 18:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I was pretty young, but I seem to remember that when I was living in Arkansas during its sesquicentennial, it would sometimes be hastily pronounced that way, particularly by those with more pronounced Arkansan accents (which is related to a Georgia accent). But Strong Sad's not the type to hastily pronounce anything (except Moleskine), so that's probably not relevant. He could be jumbling it up with the Susquehanna River in Pennsylvania, although that would be more of a Strong Bad schtick. --TheNicestGuy 19:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Drawings and Eyes

There appears to be some disagreement (based on the edit history) of whether Coach Z and Homestar Runner should be included. I personally think no... A drawing of a person doesn't count as an appearance of them. Perhaps some consensus should be reached here so that people don't edit it back and forth.

Also, does that pear actually have Googly Eyes? If so, the transcript should say so, IMHO. If not, it's not a reference. I think it does, but again, don't want it to be edited back out again.

Benabik 19:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's examine the googly-eye question logically, shall we? First of all, Strong Sad literally calls it "a pear covered with eyeballs". That description is not quite compatible with a pear covered with stuck-on googly eyes. However, the prop itself could be simply that, so it still doesn't rule it out. Thus we have to examine the picture and deduce what we can from the visual evidence. And the visual evidence consists of two important bits. First, that the pupils of the eyes are not all pointing in the same direction. And second, that there are no markings on the drawing, as there would generally be on a well-done storyboard, indicating motion of the pear. A pear covered with googly eyes that is not in motion will have all the pupils pointing downwards, thus this cannot be intended to be a drawing of such an object. Since it's not what Strong Sad said, and it's not what Strong Sad drew, it would be a huge leap to call these googly eyes. Your witness. --TheNicestGuy 20:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a drawing, so it's not subject to the laws of physics, so the "different directions" can be dispensed with as a lack of attention to that when drawing. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 20:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Nicest Guy: Objection sustained. There's no direct evidence that these are googly eyes. The link to the googly-eyed pumpkin, for example, could be entirely coincidental. It seems more likely that the eye-covered pear is just a sample of Strong Sad's surrealist illustrations (more in line with Madeline L'Engle's A Wind in the Door, or Ezekiel's prophecies, in my opinion.) Nevertheless, it is interesting that both a pumpkin and a pear (a fruit and a vegetable) have both been covered with eyes. Trey56 20:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Edit conflict: I suppose [they could be dispensed], but nevertheless, we have no evidence that the eyes google, and some evidence, although disputable, that they don't. (Did you ever stop and ask yourself, "Am I really debating whether eyes google?" No? Me neither.) --TheNicestGuy 20:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
I made the googly eye fact, but after reading the arguments here, I agree that the pear probably doesn't have googly eyes in the sense of the word. Compdude.

The pear with eyes reminds me of a 30's film, I think it was French, where random objects had eyes...and the main character held up an object covered with eyes...most likely from the surrealist school. I think it might have been The Blood of a Poet, but I'm not sure...it's been a while since I saw it and it's not the easiest film to get a hold of. Anyone know what I'm talking about? --Don't have a login yet, but I will soon..so, signed, "V".

I'm fully aware that this will never make it as a Fun Fact, but when he "dollied" in to the coffee-covered Coach and the ocular pear, I thought of it as a pun on "Dali". There, now I've got that out of my system. ;) Trelawney
Now hold on a minute! Are you asserting that this pear has biological eyes? That's a heck of a stretch. It's in the character of the whole shebang that these be affixed eyes. What's more sensible to accept, really? That these are affixed eyes, or the pear grew them? We're talking STRONG BAD, the guy who wipes permanent marker off the Polaroid and calls it high tech. If he were to use the storyboards, he's gonna use googly eyes. No question.
It makes no sense at all to dispense this, especially when the best argument against googly eyes is that they don't all hang down. Well, it's a drawing, for one, and drawings are not necessarily accurate to each detail. Secondly, have you ever seen them get stuck? I sure have. Thirdly, who's to say tit wasn't shaken? So Strong Sad didn't include "lines" in his storyboard - it wasn't germane to the plot to include them.
This is getting awfully nitpicky, and we should lighten up and have fun with this. There's no sensible reason to exclude this from the googly-eye category. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 04:56, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Point of order: It wasn't Strong Bad who drew the storyboards, but Strong Sad. — It's dot com 05:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Gleefully accepted. Strong Sad drew storyboards for Strong Bad to implement. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 07:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Don't misunderstand me, Qermag. I've been light and fun all along; my gravity and pedantism are mostly self-mocking. (And believe me, I'm cracking up over the whole notion of a serious debate about googly eyes, and if you accused me of prolonging it for my own amusement, I would take the Fifth.) Nevertheless, the whole question of googly eyes really comes down to one thing. This is a drawing made by Strong Sad, not a photo, model, or completed film. And that's all it will ever be. He didn't say anything about googly eyes, and he didn't include anything in the drawing to indicate they were googly eyes. (Further, very sketchy evidence that he does not intend them to google is that they are of various sizes.) To say "he's gonna use googly eyes" is pure speculation. (And to digress for a moment, if it were Strong Bad producing, I'd agree he probably would use googly eyes. But I suspect Strong Sad, based on Experimental Film, would try to find some way around such a low-class look, although something would ultimately go awry.) Since the chances of this treatment making it onto film—er, Flash—are extremely slim, we'll never know. Thus we can't jump to conslusions. Now, in the interests of lightening up and having fun, I will breathe helium. --TheNicestGuy 14:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This entire discussion has been superseded by the Easter egg in alternate universe. The eyes are in fact googly. — It's dot com 08:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

And you know I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw that. In keeping with the alternate reality theme, I'm going to take full credit for that shot. Well, okay: You can get second billing, Qermag. --TheNicestGuy 13:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Real-World References

Prenouncing Buscemi

I am somewhat sure it is prenounced as bushEmmi, and not, as Strong Sad says, buSheemi. Does anyone know for sure? Lord-z 20:42, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

True, but he's coining an adjective. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 21:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Would that really have any effect on how he pronounces the second syllable? We don't call an autocrat "Machiaveelian". I do believe his name is properly pronounced bu-SHEM-ee, making Strong Sad's pronunciation of the adjective a bit whacked, but I can't cite any references at the moment. But here's an interesting thought. What if the pronunciations of Moleskine, Imbruglia, Buscemi, and perhaps others I'm not thinking of, are not accidental at all, but a subtle running gag: Strong Sad mispronouncing obscure words and names that he intended to make him look intelligent? --TheNicestGuy 21:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

BTW, his name is actually pronounced boo-SEM-mee. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:08, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Qermag, if you've got a source for that to cite here, I think the mispronunciation deserves to be mentioned in Remarks or the Real-World Reference. I was pretty sure I'd always heard bu-SHEM-ee. --TheNicestGuy 03:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Or there could be a much simpler explanation: TBC goofing up. Has Matt? (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course that's the obvious explanation. It just got me wondering how many times Strong Sad has done this. If it's a significant number, I'm inclined to think either a) they're doing it on purpose, or b) those sort of mistakes appear specific to Strong Sad because he's the only character who uses big words. Just something to ponder. --TheNicestGuy 03:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Strong Sad's Characterization

Is it just me, or as Strong Sad gotten so much cooler over the years? Once he was forlornly sitting in his room mailing hundred-dollar bills, and now he's writing screenplays just to give him the chance to pour coffee all over Coach Z! --Impulse2, who isn't sure if her name ever shows up.

Gotta love character development! Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:36, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
He's really shown us his artistic side. Granted, he's still outcast by most characters, except Homsar (and, on occasion, Marzipan) but that's because he is still rather whiny and depress(ed)(ing). A (buttered) toast to character development!Trelawney
Not a vinegar toast? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Vinegar toast? You thought I'd fall for that? Trelawney
When did Strong Sad mail hundred-dollar bills? Jecowa 06:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Strong Bad Email depressio. -Compdude

This is sort of off topic...

One time I actually had a weird dream of Strong Sad pouring coffee on Coach Z. 0_o. Weird huh?--s6k 02:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

One time I had a weird dream too... but you gotta understand... The day before, all i had to eat was like...13 pudding pops, okay? So the whole dream was just a picture of... Well, lemme show you. Trey56 02:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
One time I had this dream where I was in a flying race in a mythical land, and everybody had wings on their backs, including me, and I was okay, but I couldn't fly very well because I could feel myself in real life and I can't fly for real. Whoa. THAT was off-topic. But really, ever have that happen to you where you're existing in both your dream and real life at the same time? And it has an influence on your dream? Hmm...-Brightstar Shiner 02:15, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
That kind of thing happens to me too. I'll be trying to walk, but I can hardly move. I think it's because I'm trying to move my real body which is in a state of paralysis at the time. In dreams where I fly, however, I have no trouble moving at all. Flying dreams are great. Jecowa 06:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Update: I figured out that that is called Lucid Dreaming. Look it up on wikipedia. -Brightstar Shiner 23:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Ah Wikipedia, is there anything you cannot do? — Bassbone (TALK Strong Mad Has a Posse CONT) 07:25, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I had dream that my friend had a Strong Bad pop-up book taco salad. It was the taco salad of my dreams. The day before, all I had to eat was like...13 pudding pops. But seriously, I can't help but notice that dreams come up rather frequently in Strong Bad Emails. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 16:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
It's a cheap source of inspiration. Cheap as Free. --TheNicestGuy 18:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

well since we're being off topic... i dreamed last night that people were calling my name and i was saying what what what?? and finally i screamed WHAAAAAAAAT!? at the top of my lungs.. in the real world.. and woke everyone in the house up.. my family thought i was being murdered in my sleep or something :P and all i can say is i WISH i had 13 pudding pops the other day... --Collin 23:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

...Do we have a dreams thread on the forum, out of curiosity? --DorianGray
Err...no. We don't. But maybe we should. This is getting rather fun. I've had a dream that was a musical, one that was a horror/mystery, and several adventures. The plots and characters were well thought out and original each time. Sometimes I think my subconcious is more creative than I am. -Brightstar Shiner 00:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Sure, we have a dreams thread in the forum. See "Ever had a H*R dream?". — It's dot com 04:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

David Lynch References

Would adding in notes about the fact that the coffee and donuts are highly reminiscient of Twin Peaks, which was one of David Lynch's most famous works? I think it's a valid connection, but wanted to doublecheck before adding it. - AndrewS

I'd work it into the existing refernce to Lynch and Fellini. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 18:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Running Gag or not?

This is the third time I believe of something popping up at the end with that exact slapping noise. There was The System is Down, Not the 100th Email!!!, and now this one. Surely this qualifies as a running gag (unless it's one already, of course)? SonicFan 02:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

TBC reuse sound effects all the time. I don't think this qualifies as a running gag, 70.29.120.82 17:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
But feel free to put it on Sound Effects. --DorianGray

New York Accent

I believe "pernt" five is an instance of TBC swapping "er" and "oi" sounds as with a caricatured New York accent, rather than a reference to Coach Z. The coach's own odd speech patterns are unrelated - if anything, he speaks more with upper midwestern/Canadian pronunciations. The only character I can recall who consistently uses this pattern is Bubs as the Wheelchair (e.g., "berled holiday cabbage"), although other characters do it in passing. Cf. Wikipedia's article on New York / New Jersey vowels. -- Mayosolo 23:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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