Talk:Portmanteaus

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Contents 1 Name of article 2 Duplication? 3 Unportant? 4 Appletini 5 Kansattica? 6 Piemonade 7 Senor Cardgage! 8 Bedtime story 9 addition 10 Order? 11 Vantastic 12 Tmesis - include? 13 Portmanteaux 14 Pretendous 15 Shinoligans 16 Sbemail 17 Europa-pean 18 your funeral 19 Gewdy gewdy gamdroops 20 Fanstuff Captions 21 Whodunnit? 22 Random Q's 23 Gymatorium 24 Fangly 25 Fangly 26 Fangly

Name of article

There's something not-quite-right about the title. Looking closely at various articles and dictionaries, I think the name of this page should either be portmanteau words or blends. — It's dot com 03:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Portmanteau

"Portmanteau word" was the original phrase used to describe such words (as listed in dictionaries published as late as the early 1990s), but this has since been abbreviated to simply "portmanteau" as the term (and the type of words it describes) gained popularity.

--phlip ^T_C 03:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I see. — It's dot com 03:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Duplication?

A lot of this is already covered in Strong Bad's Spelling ... Spell4yr 19:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Unportant?

Is this simply a truncation of "unimportant", or is it a form of portmanteau? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Appletini

I don't think that Appletini should count. It's already a portmanteau in the real world, not invented for H*R. Elvis

I agree. I order Appletinis on a regular basis; and it's not "unique to the HR universe" as the list would have us believe. Cyndentia

Kansattica?

I think it's a portmanteau, but of "Kansas" and WHAT? ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 20:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Many things are called Attica. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 21:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Piemonade

I think piemonade should be on this list.

Senor Cardgage!

What the, why aren't any of Senor Cardgage's lines on here? Who can forget such classics as "Oh, excardon me." and "Many combolations Elizagerth"! Those are classics, man. I'll just list them here:
Extardon me: kind of cool
Many combolations Elizagerth: flashback
Alonzo Mourning to you, Myrtlebeth: alternate universe
Free canceltation: Senor Mortgage
The state of Kansattica: Theme song

You know, you can edit that page as easily as this one. Jut maintain the format, and get the links right (use preview) and be sure to be able to explin each one. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  01:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Bedtime story

What about shock-you-mentary!

I think that's actually a pre-existing word... --DorianGray

addition

what about coughiversary. it was in a teen girl squad

Order?

The portmanteaus on this page appear to be in a rather random order, unless I'm missing something. If I'm not, could we agree on an order to use? Alphabetical seems most logical to me, although I suppose we could go chronological by appearance. Heimstern Läufer 22:36, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

On most pages I'd go with chronological order, but it may take too much time as old ones seem to pop up from time to time. Alphabetic order with a good ol' horizontal TOC. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 05:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Alphabetical makes more sense to me, as a word-related list. --DorianGray

I alphabetized them. — It's dot com 19:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Vantastic

I don't want to screw up the format of this page, so can someone else add in "Vantastic" from Strong Bad is a Bad Guy? kai lyn 19:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Done'd. Copypaste is an easy way not to screw up the format. --DorianGray

I guess. But you didn't, considering the link was incorrect. — Lapper (talk) 19:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The link can fix itself. --DorianGray

Thanks! kai lyn 01:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Tmesis - include?

As examples of tmesis are included here regularly, and as they and portmanteaus are lexicographically related, ought we open this page to tmesis, as Acronyms and Initialisms is open to both? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It sure beats removin' them each time. --DorianGray

The question is whether this opens a Pandora's box. Are there other constructions which are similar to portmanteau and tmesis which might be offered? Which would be a better title: "Portmanteaus and Tmeses" or "Portmanteu and similar words"? Or other? - Qermaq - (^T/C)  03:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say they're all neologisms(although I think this has been argued and defeated previously . . . here at least): portmanteau, tmesis, conflations, minced oaths, newspeak, humorous mispronunciations, and arguably even eponyms can all fall under that catagory. - ISTC 03:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Portmanteaux

Where did that spelling come from? Retromaniac 17:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

The French. "Portmanteau" is a French word, after all. --phlip ^T_C 11:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Pretendous

The article says pretendous is a portmanteau of pretend and tremendous. I've always thought it was pretend and pretentious, which makes more sense in the context both times it is used (for reference, see Fan Costume Commentary and extra plug (easter egg)). I'd make the change myself, but everything I do ultimately turns out to be wrong, so I'll scrape up some feedback first. 16BitJorge 01:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I dunno... it seems like both tremendous and pretentious are pretty much synonymous... So, Ima go with tremendous, because it's the entire word "pretend", and then then "dous" of tremendous that get meshed together at the D. Bluebry 01:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Shinoligans

Seems to me like shenanigans and hooligans (deceitful confidence trick plus unruly and destructive behavior) would make more sense than the current version of shinola and shenanigans (shoe polish plus deceitful confidence trick). Especially based on quote's context. -- Tom 07:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The context of the quote does not support your theory, Tom. The word "shinola" makes more sense because of the context it is used in. "Hooligan" usually refers to a person. --ISlayedTheKerrek 16:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

People on Homestar Runner often mispronounce words such as several Foreign Words. I sill think shinoligans was just Crack Stuntman mispronouncing shenanigans. He keeps on mispronouncing the character he the the voice of (Gunhaver). This is just a big mis pronounciation. Homestar-winner 21:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Tom's theory fits the context better, as there's no reason I know of for "shinola" to be mentioned here. Heimstern Läufer 21:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think either theory fits. If the portmanteau was "shenanigans" and "hooligans", they probably would have pronounced "shin" as rhyming with "bin" or "win". — Has Matt? (talk) 22:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right, but it seems like people are unaware of the significance of 'Shinola' .... a quick trip to wikipedia will make it clear why that word's in the common parlance.

And in said case, I've heard "shinola" substituted for the four-letter word in that case. And all you have to do is look at the pronunciation. SHY-noligans. Proof right there. You think it's shenanigans and hooligans? The evidence that you're wrong is right in the pronunciation. --ISlayedTheKerrek 18:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Sbemail

Shouldn't sbemail be on this list? 74.112.119.229 17:14, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

-No, because it's not a portmanteau. All it is is a combination of Strong Bad's initials (not a word) and the word email. It has to be a two word combo for it to be a portmantau. --ISlayedTheKerrek 15:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Europa-pean

Does this really belong on the list? Europa-pean would seem to be a standalone word to describe a person (or lobster) from Europa. Europapean isn't really a portmanteau of Europa and European any more than "Irish" is a portmanteau of Ireland and English. -Almsfothepudgy 03:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm rather skeptical of that claim. While I admit I don't know the adjective for Europa (it's so tempting to use europäisch!), I really doubt it would be "Europa-pean" (what noun adds "pean" to become an adjective?) Thus, I'm still fairly sure Europa-pean is an artificial word, namely, a portmanteau of "Europa" and "European". Heimstern Läufer 05:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

While I'm not sure that it's a portmanteau, it's definitely not as legit as "Irish". By the way, 'Kipedia uses "Europan" [1]. Loafing 05:07, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

"Europa-pean" (or Europapean) may seem artificial simply because we rarely (if ever) have to refer to anything from Europa, let alone a lobster. (Or person.) I'm still inclined to think it's not a proper portmanteau.

On second thought, if "The Big Wiki" uses Europan, I'm more inclined to think of Europapean as a portmanteau, even though it seems like a misunderstanding of a somewhat obscure word than a proper portmanteau. (BTW, I wrote the first part of this, hit submit, and edit-conflicted with Loafing. This second line was added after reading that remark.

-Almsfothepudgy 05:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

your funeral

When Strong Bad says "leotarded" in reference to Strong Sad, is that "leotard" and "retarded" or is it just the adjectival form of the word "leotard"? So makey outy 06:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC) I think it would just be the adjective.

Gewdy gewdy gamdroops

I don't think "Gewd" Should be in the list. Strongbad isn't trying to combine good and ew. He's just saying "Good" weird.

When Jay added that one, he used an edit summary of I'm just goin' by the DVD commentary on this one... In fact, one of the brothers (couldn't be bothered to keep track which) actually uses the word "Portmanteau". I don't have the DVD yet so I can't comment. —Shwoo 04:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Fanstuff Captions

Many, many portmanteaus can be found as captions of the fanstuff from varying years. From 2007: homsunami, treggdor, yolkinator, stained glasstar. From 2006: trogapult, monstrositea, knitdor. From 2005: cheatpod, homestarbeque, soapstar, trogsaic, trogstitch. From 2004: legogdor, legomestar. (And others.) Clearly these have been labeled by TBC, but do they count as "unique to the Homestar Runner universe" if they aren't spoken/written by a character in the Homestar Runner universe? Opinions? OptimisticFool 20:41, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

The sheer volume of the examples indicates it's a favorite style of TBC. I'm all for listing them. Perhaps they should be set apart from the main list. — It's dot com 21:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

After looking over the sketchbooks, it seems there are billions there, too. I'm unsure of the best way to set them apart. Separate tables? Someone can beat me to it; I prefer minor edits anyway. =] OptimisticFool 21:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

No one beat me to it, so I did it. Improvements welcome! OptimisticFool 01:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Whodunnit?

Okay, what we don't have is a "Who?" column. With the amount of portmanteaus that are listed, I think it would interest people to know who is saying each of them without having to go into each individual page to find out. It would also confirm the statement that "Strong Bad, especially, frequently creates portmanteaus." Anyone agree? OptimisticFool 02:23, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

• Might get complicated with some of the more popular portmanteaus such as "burninate". Danny Lilithborne 07:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Except that portmanteaus are only listed once each, so the source would be the first character to use it. OptimisticFool 18:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Random Q's

(1) I know this was my edit, but I'm thinking the subtitle Portmanteaus Used By Characters is a bit inaccurate with some of the entries. Againymore is not used by any character. Blistergeist is the name of a game Strong Bad found, not a word he just chose to use. I can't think of an alternative subtitle unless we combine the tables and just call the whole thing Portmanteaus. Any ideas? (2) Are appeteasers and dudeical really considered "unique to the Homestar Runner universe"? (3) At the moment, there is no consistency in capitalization. For the most part, the first word is capitalized and the second word isn't unless it's a proper noun (e.g. "Dad and babysitter", "Cheat and Pikachu"). I'm for capitalizing both in all cases so as not to give more importance to any one word over another - any arguments? (4) Is TWII really a portmanteau of three words? It could be of Two and Wii, or Three and Wii (seems more likely based on pronunciation), but of Two, Three, and Wii? OptimisticFool 16:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(1) done (2) i think so, i've never heard them before. (3) i say capitalize the first and proper nouns. (4) no i think it's one or the other, and i'm inclined to say 3, given that it's just "three" with a speech impediment. — Defender1031*Talk 17:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

(1) I thought about In Toons also; I guess Email kinda counts as a toon. I'm a bit in doubt about that, plus the general differentiation among Toons, Games, Sbemails, etc. But for now, I think it's better than what we had. (2) See Appeteasers. And Dudeical (also spelled Dudical) also produces many Google results, but not as many as I expected; my guess is that people realize it looks strange in print and opt for a different word. Either way, it clearly existed well before H*R came around (unlike burninate, dadbysitter, bubsness, etc.). Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing others' opinions on these topics as well. OptimisticFool 17:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Gymatorium

Gymatorium is definitely not unique to the H*R universe; many schools have a gym that is also used as an auditorium. My elementary school had a gymatorium, with that word on the sign above the entrance. Google also returns quite a few results. — 70.110.22.198 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 2 January 2008 (left unsigned)

Well, whether it is unique or not, it is still a combination of two words, thus still making it a Portmanteau. --TheYellowDart—(t/c) 06:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The page states "This article only lists portmanteaus unique to the Homestar Runner universe.", however. Personally, I don't mind getting rid of that line though. --DorianGray 06:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's my absent mind again. I need to read the whole thing before I do things. --TheYellowDart—(t/c) 07:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC) Wait, my brain is telling me something: "Get some SLEEP!"

Fangly

Is fangly really fang and ugly? I thought it had something to do with Angler fish... AwkwardFire 14:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Fangly

Is fangly really fang and ugly? I thought it had something to do with Angler fish... AwkwardFire 14:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Fangly

Is fangly really fang and ugly? I thought it had something to do with Angler fish... AwkwardFire 14:08, 15 January 2008 (UTC)