Talk:Pinecones
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[edit] Pinecone vs Pine Cone
Looking at this edit prompted me to check for the appropriate grammar rule. So far, the only resource I found indicates that both are correct (and only urges for consistent use). Merriam-webster seems to agree with what the article says. That leaves us with the question: which name do we choose? This would influence both the article content and the title of the page, so I think some discussion would be appropriate before renaming the page. --Stux 04:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- I'll go ahead and say it; I went with the two-word title because "pinecone" turned up a red squiggly line. I figure since pine cones grow on pine trees and pineapples don't, I thought having the word "pine" was consistent enough. During the tidying up edits I just made, I didn't change any instances of "pimecone" based solely on the sign in secret recipes, since it didn't show up written in Mr. Poofers Must Die.
The Knights Who Say Ni 
04:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- I decided the title mostly out of personal preference, as I had seen it spelled that way more often, and it seemed to be how we spelled it most frequently on the wiki. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Although, given that Merriam-Webster spells it as two words, one word turns up a red line, and the whole "pine cone/tree/apple" thing, I think we should keep it as two words.
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:38, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- We should spell it Pimecones with an "M" - 174.62.238.201 06:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- It seems strange that the first link says that Merriam-Webster has it as one word but the actual Merriam-Webster page is at the two-word variant, yet with "pinecone" as a variant used "more commonly". Though perhaps the first link is using a different printing of the dictionary. I will say that I, too, have seen it spelled more often as one word than as two, though I would be okay with either. DEI
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- The American Heritage Dictionary lists only pinecone and doesn't list the two-word variant. — It's dot com 16:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Google gives 27,100,000 results for "pinecone" and only 10,400,000 for the two-word variant. — Defender1031*Talk 18:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Facetiousness aside, “pimecone” should redirect here . -166.137.252.80 20:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- My two cents: The reason I spelled it as two words in the Mr. Poofers Must Die transcript is the same reason Knights Who Say Ni said: my spellchecker didn't recognize "pinecone". (I nevertheless spelled "pimecone" as one word because that's what Homestar did in secret recipes.) Even secret recipes currently uses both versions on the page. --Jay (Talk) 21:27, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Facetiousness aside, “pimecone” should redirect here . -166.137.252.80 20:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Google gives 27,100,000 results for "pinecone" and only 10,400,000 for the two-word variant. — Defender1031*Talk 18:37, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- The American Heritage Dictionary lists only pinecone and doesn't list the two-word variant. — It's dot com 16:30, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- It seems strange that the first link says that Merriam-Webster has it as one word but the actual Merriam-Webster page is at the two-word variant, yet with "pinecone" as a variant used "more commonly". Though perhaps the first link is using a different printing of the dictionary. I will say that I, too, have seen it spelled more often as one word than as two, though I would be okay with either. DEI
DAT
VM
- We should spell it Pimecones with an "M" - 174.62.238.201 06:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- I decided the title mostly out of personal preference, as I had seen it spelled that way more often, and it seemed to be how we spelled it most frequently on the wiki. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Although, given that Merriam-Webster spells it as two words, one word turns up a red line, and the whole "pine cone/tree/apple" thing, I think we should keep it as two words.
In summary, MW lists pinecone as the more common variant, AHD lists only pinecone, Wiktionary calls pine cone an alternative form, the single-word form outnumbers the two-word form nearly 3 to 1 online, and we have the corresponding H*R single word pimecone. Therefore, this page should be moved to pinecones, and you all need to update your spell-checkers. — It's dot com 02:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Wow, my opinion has changed twice in less than a day. I agree with Dot com. Move it back to Pinecones. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Want the waters muddied a bit? My paper World Book dictionary lists "pine cone" and doesn't even give "pinecone" as a variant. EDIT: But I also have a paper Miriam-Webster dictionary, which (like the website) lists it as one word. I guess the double word is outvoted, but it's not unanimous. --Jay (Talk) 06:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- If yours is anything like my paper World Book encyclopedia, it still spells per cent as two words. Get with the times. — It's dot com 06:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Dictionary, not encyclopedia. Though... yeah, it does list "per cent" (and also "percent"). I have a slight preference for two-word "pine cone", but it's slight, and as I said, it's also outvoted. --Jay (Talk) 07:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- I have both. I said encyclopedia over dictionary because that's where the phrase is actually being used as opposed to just being defined. — It's dot com 20:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Can a sysop delete the "Pinecones" redirect so we can move it back? And maybe some of the pages for deletion while you're at it? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 07:00, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
- Gfdgsgxgzgdrc's opinion may have been changed twice in a day, but my opinion never changed. I still believe that the page title should be the two-word version. A cone-shaped sharp object that grows on a pine tree is a pine cone, much like a sweetgum ball. (For what it's worth, both "pine cone" and "pinecone" redirect to "Conifer cone" on Wikipedia.) The Knights Who Say Ni 03:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Can a sysop delete the "Pinecones" redirect so we can move it back? And maybe some of the pages for deletion while you're at it?
- I have both. I said encyclopedia over dictionary because that's where the phrase is actually being used as opposed to just being defined. — It's dot com 20:56, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Dictionary, not encyclopedia. Though... yeah, it does list "per cent" (and also "percent"). I have a slight preference for two-word "pine cone", but it's slight, and as I said, it's also outvoted. --Jay (Talk) 07:08, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- If yours is anything like my paper World Book encyclopedia, it still spells per cent as two words. Get with the times. — It's dot com 06:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Want the waters muddied a bit? My paper World Book dictionary lists "pine cone" and doesn't even give "pinecone" as a variant. EDIT: But I also have a paper Miriam-Webster dictionary, which (like the website) lists it as one word. I guess the double word is outvoted, but it's not unanimous. --Jay (Talk) 06:13, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
