Editing Talk:No Hands On Deck!

== What does "in progress" mean? ==

Folks, please note the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> template - Thunderbird is already working on the transcript, and rather than have him and everyone run into endless edit conflicts, please respect the template. K? Thanks. There are other sections we can work on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
: Hey, only reason ''I'' messed with it was because of some [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356571&oldid=356568 sloppy edit] undoing what Thunderbird started. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Understood. I'm waiting for the notice to go down to correct the image extension from PNG to png myself. It was right at one point... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Meh. Whatever. It's not like it was pretty much my only chance to ever do an actual transcription of a visual toon. I'm sure I'll have another chance in another two years of wiking or so. Though it is darn annoying when you spend 10 minutes transcribing a toon, only to find out that one edit prior, somebody else already transcribed the same section, despite the in progress template. Maybe if I hadn't actually bothered to look for the Cardboard Marzipan precident, I would have got my revision out first. Oh well, I guess fastest transcriber wins, or something like that. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Nobody''' wins when it's a contest in someone's mind. We're here to serve the HRWiki first, our pitiful little egos second, and slipshod work that has to be rewritten is less valuable to this user than a careful edit which lasts, all other things being equal. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, but I think there's some merit to combining the best elements of two edits as well if there are important differences between them. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 20:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::True, but what we were discussing was the "screw-the-other-guy" push to be the one who can transcribe the toon (presumably to brag about it on a user page). That's a little different. Observing the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> is important, wouldn't you agree? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, of course.  What I meant was that if an edit conflict ends up happening, we should make the best of it.  But I totally agree that the progress tag is important, and I apologize if I was confusing. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 07:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== Feeding ducks through a tube ==

This is probably a reference to force-feeding geese in order to harvest their livers for foie gras.  This has come under attack by animal rights activists recently.

:Yup, see [[No Hands On Deck!#Explanations]].  Thanks.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Added to main page? ==

lol the toon came out the morning but its not on any of the main pages but it iz in the toons menu
iz this the 1st thime that's happened? {{User:Rabb/sig}}
:It is on the main pages, all of them.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::I see "New Short Toon" in a red oval... clear your cache? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== But will it play in Chicago? ==

I question the relevance of the mention of Chicago's ban on foie gras. One, this toon is not made near Chicago; while it's a story on the news all over, it's not directly relevant to Atlanta. Two, they started this days ago, and the comment fits neatly into Marzipan's character even if there was no Chicago news today. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:I didn't include that bit when I <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356657&oldid=356655 first wrote the fact]</span> because I didn't know about it.  Heck, I didn't even know about foie gras until I did some research on tubes and ducks.  When I saw the bit about the Chicago ban was <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356682&oldid=356681 added]</span> then <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356684&oldid=356682 removed]</span> and then <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356685&oldid=356684 re-added]</span>, I beefed it up a <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356693&oldid=356686 teesy bit]</span>, but I can probably take it or leave it.  What do others think?&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Just to clarify - the tube bit is clearly a reference to foie gras and the controversy. It's just the specific tie-in to today's news from Chicago that seems a stretch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I support this fact. TBC said in interviews that what they like most about doing cartoons on the internet, is that they can change stuff in the last minute. Maybe Marzi used to say something else, and was changed in light of the Chicago thing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I like it. {{User:Csours/sig}} 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::There was an article in our paper about the impending ban three weeks ago, so they could easily have heard about it by toonmaking time. If not a reference, I'd bet it's at least inspired by the ban.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
::::::The Chicago story was on the front page of cnn.com this morning (possibly earlier too). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== I'm not Rapaport ==

I swear, they do this because we debate this stuff. Remember the "Mr. Chechov" controversy? Well, here we are again.

Now that we have an egg showing the spelling of "Rappaport", is it a reference to Michael Rapaport at all, or just the play? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm still not convinced it's a reference to either of them - it seems too vague to be a reference to that play, and it can't be the actor because of the spelling.  I'm on the fence (or maybe on the deck?) about it. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 07:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::This is a strong case (to me) of something which would be an obvious reference to either one of these if the other didn't exist. Does that mean it cannot be a reference to either if it's possibly a reference to both? That's not how I interpret TTATOT. This is not like saying it may be a reference to a brand of socks or to a famous coalminer. These two possible sources for the name Rap(p)aport are closely linked and quite relevant to context. I say keep 'em both. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

== Prescription ==

Strong Sad could have been talking about a contact lens prescription.

:No, He meant his medication. He thought that he was just seeing this (not with his eyes, that is). Also, you don't wear contacts in bed.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::And in case you needed anything more, it was established in [[funny]] that Strong Sad takes some kind of medication and that it can have some pretty powerful effects judging by his reaction to Strong Bad's behavior. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== handbill image ==
i uploaded an image of the hand bill, but i do not know how to put it on the page or where, or know what the protocol is for adding images, ie what type do we typically add/leave off. anyway, could someone discuss this for me? here is the image:
[[Image:Deckhandbill.png]]{{User:Csours/sig}} 21:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:Add'd. See if you can figure out where? --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::got it {{User:Csours/sig}} 05:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

==Bubs Likes to Dance, Right?==
When is the last time we have seen him dance?" [[User:Catman87|Catman87]]
:The moves we see are from [[Dancing Bubs]], which is already noted. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::If I'm not mistaken, he was last seen dancing in [[disconnected]], but it's not fun fact worthy, as he didn't say anything in the toon about not dancing in a while like Homestar did about melonade. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Bubs has a history of dancing. He dances quite a lot, and I think it really should be a Running Gag. He's done a dance in quite a few toons/e-mails. It is usually accompanied by Bubs or Homestar saying the same word or phrase many times a row, such as "Check it out, check it out, check it out, check it out..."

== Deckeman or Duckie-man? ==

Deckeman sounds like the name the prince of town (flashback) gave Homestar which is Duckie-man or however you spell it. Should it be noted or am I thinking about this too much? {{User:Steve/sig}} 00:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:Homestar's nickname in [[flashback]] was Duckshirt, not Duckieman.  So no, I don't think it's a reference. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 02:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::The POT does say, "and the duckie-man is the winner!" But I still think this is a stretch because they don't sound ''that'' similar. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:It says "Deckeman" because that's how Homestar spells it earlier in the toon. -[[User:154.35.47.59|154.35.47.59]] 06:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Second Homestar? ==

OK, so the first time Homestar runs away from Cardboardzipan, is that a second Homestar under the table, saying "I've got to find me a new girlfriend?"  Or, did he run...in a rather odd direction?

:The second - this happens all the time; see [[Summer Short Shorts]] for an example of Strong Bad doing it. While we're here, the second possible "twin" Homestar sighting was in the stylized "hammer and saw" montage. I really can't see how that'd count, though. It's a montage, these things happen. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC) 

::These two instances aren't nearly so identical as you claim, Qermaq, though it's an instructive comparison. In [[Summer Short Shorts]] the "second" Strongbad breaks the third wall in the manner of a voice-over narrator of a documentary talking about footage in which he appears. So in that case, he's not really a "second" Strongbad but the same Strongbad speaking at a later date in the manner of an aside or DVD commentary. In No Hands On Deck!, the "second" Homestar appears in the same temporal sequence so he can make faux-Marzipan move in the manner of any puppeteer or ventriloquist. In this case, as with Strongbad in Summer Short Shorts, there isn't really a second Homestar. And in both cases the unexpected appearence of the same character has the effect of calling attention to the artificiality of what we're watching: a show, put on (often ineptly) for our entertainment, and not simply events in an alternate universe. So there is a meaningful similarity. But the effect is accomplished differently: as a reference to puppetry/ventriloquism, rather than a reference to documentaries/DVD commentary. [[User:Henebry|Henebry]] 12:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Um, wrong toon. You are pretty clearly referring to [[keep cool]]. I think Qermaq is referring to the first short in [[Summer Short Shorts]], where Strong Bad dashes across the room suddenly while encouraging The Cheat to eat "ONE MORE!" French fry. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 13:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::: (Edit conflict) Are you getting confused with [[keep cool]]? The [[Summer Short Shorts]] appearance is, I think, the "Did you hear the latest news?" line. I think Homestar annoying Strong Bad in [[Bug In Mouth Disease]] is a better example, or getting the powdered herbs and spices in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]... In both, Homestar leaves in one direction and immediately enters from another. It's just, as DorianGray said, [[Wikipedia:cartoon physics|cartoon physics]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I had always assumed it was the same Homestar, just moving around "behind the black" incredibly fast. Let's not forget how he zapped around from place to place in [[long pants]] either. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Incase anyone's wondering, if u squeeze the window really narrow you can see behind the black frame and see that its just Homestar's head and it doesnt even move while he talks.  Clearly that is not a twin of Homestar
::::::In case the poster above checks this again: Things "behind the black" don't really count as "reality" within a cartoon; if they did we'd have people missing arms or legs 'n' stuff all the time. And by the way, a much easier way to check it out is with a [http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/ Flash decompiler]. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::An even easier way is to install [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|this Greasemonkey script]] and turn on the "show outside the frame" option... but no, it makes sense it's just Homestar's non-talking head... why bother to animate it it virtually noone (and noone who watches it properly) will see? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"turn on the "show outside the frame" option" - can you direct me to a help file on how to do that? I see pause, back and forth, in and out, and that's it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, Qermaq, there's a painfully obvious icon in the upper left. NERD!!! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:Of course, it could be this guy:[[Image:mustachioedHR.png]], first featured in [[Senorial Day]].  [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Sitting girl thing. ==
What do you hear? Homestar's speech was never the crispest dialogue, but I hear '''sitting'''. It's been changed back and forth more than once today. Peoples? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:Homestar's mouth movements accomodate two syllables. A very clear "sitting." This one's not even close. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::Frame 79-80 Look
::Frame 82-83 girl
::Frame 85 thing
::Frame 87 a
::Frame 89-91 cross
::Frame 93 from
::Frame 95-97 me

::Where is there an extra mouth movement? Visual seems to be the right syllable count. We need to rely on audio here. When I play from frame 85, I can hear "ing", but not from frame 86. So 85 and 87 cannot possibly be "sit" and "ting".

::And while last night "thing" sounded exactly right, I can this morning hear why "sitting" seems right ar well. This reminds me of all the times we've had "s"s turn up when they shouldn't - Flash audio seems to add a degree of sibilance to the sound, resulting in a very lisp-like rendition of what was said. Thing is, this is one of those things that's never going to be obvious, no matter how "not even close" one person declares it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::try this [[Image:Gewlthing.ogg]]. its girl thing... {{User:Csours/sig}} 13:35, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::i looked in that same thing and i heard an "s". i am pretty sure it is girl sitting across from me. [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]
:::::I hear '''thing'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Sitting. Absolutely. {{User:Salty/sig}} 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Agree. I distinctly hear two syllables. Thus, sitting. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::Sitting. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I hear "sitting".&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::for future debates, would it be a appropriate to link the transcript to this kind of discussion? also you ppl are all wrong. {{User:Csours/sig}} 05:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC) well except for qermaq and cool.
:::::::::::I heard "sitting", mainly because the /i/ sound seemed to have a stop in the middle - but pulling out the sound with a decompiler and isolating the word in Audacity, I see it's only one syllable long, and listening to it on its own sounds much more like "thing". So I vote for "thing". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::I hear "sitting" (admittedly with a lisp). {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 06:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::hears some more ear candy for all you'se guys. also, how do i list this better? since its not an image. btw its from cool things. where homestar actually does say sitting. to compare/contrast. [[Image:Sittingoncoolthings.ogg]] {{User:Csours/sig}} 06:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::At first I heard "thing," but after going back and listening several times, I can hear both. I think "thing" is funnier but "sitting" makes more sense. Sounds like it would make a good qotw to me, though. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 06:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Look at [[:Image:Gewlthing.png]], a breakdown of the speech, to complement my original post above. "Sitting" would be normally be pronounced /sɪtɪŋ/ ([[Wikipedia:IPA chart for English|IPA]]), or, with Homestar's speech impediment, /sɪ.ɪŋ/, with just a stop between the /ɪ/s. There is no stop in the word, it's just /sɪŋ/, or /θɪŋ/, as Qermaq mentioned, /θ/ can mutate into /s/ under heavy MP3 compression. So, it's either "thing" or "sing", but not "sitting". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I agree with all that technical business, having done my own research and achieved similar results. When I listen to the word in the context of the toon itself, however, I ''still'' always hear "sitting". &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Could it be that they skipped a syllable of mouth movements because the words are slurred together? I'm thinking it's possible that sit'''ting a'''cross could have one jaw drop. After all, that's what ''we'' do when we speak that phrase. So if that is true, then "sitting" could very well be technically accounted for. Also, what audio medium are you guys using? Speakers or a headset? A headset is without argument the better way to listen to it. On this computer, I have speakers, and it's hard to tell what he's saying, but my headsets in a quiet room downstars give me an easier time. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I've refused to take a position yet because I don't have the time at the moment to give it a fair trial. If someone else weighed in after two minutes of effort, I'd take their opinion with a grain of salt too. But for what it's worth, my cursory listening sounds like two syllables&mdash;specifically I hear two vowel sounds, a short and a long "i". &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

==I Can Be the Orphan==

Is Coach Z's orphan impersination a reference to Oliver or another musical? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 04:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: Annie. As long as there is more than one major musical with an orphan (and there is) this would be TTATOT. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::But if the reason he brings up orphans is that so many musicals involve them, is THAT worth mentioning?  After all, the two musicals mentioned here are very famous, so does anyone think they might have influenced the coach's idea? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 07:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::What are the two mentioned here? I see one. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Jay mentioned [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083564/ Annie].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I see it now, I must be a little sleepy. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::I immediately thought of Oliver, then a moment later Annie. But maybe the reason everybody thinks of Oliver first is the cap? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::"Where is my Mudder, dee doo," is an obvious reference to "Where is Love" in Oliver. The song is Oliver requesting someone to care for him like his mother would have, thus, "Where is my Mudder, dee doo". --[[User:71.35.152.110|71.35.152.110]] 17:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Isn't the joke that Coach Z wants to be "the" orphan because he thinks that every musical has one?  [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::The orphan is a staple of musicals, and Coach Z probably doesn't watch many, so he thought Homestar's must have one. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 19:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't agree that the orphan is a staple of musicals, as we could only list 2 above. By that logic, they are a staple of TV sitcoms (''Webster'', ''Diff'rent Strokes'') as well. The jury's still out on whether Oliver would beg for more staple sauce, however. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

==FCUSA==
Can someone edit it, and make it say that FCUSA is a reference to Free Country USA please?
i just don't have the time right now...

:FCUSA is not a reference to Free Country, USA. It is an initialism for it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Might the acronym also be an allusion to the clothing retailer French Connection U.K. (which has a rather risqué acronym that they put on t-shirts and their signage)?

== nails ==

[[wikipedia:Galvanized nails|Galvanized nails]] and [[wikipedia:Vulcanized nails|Vulcanized nails]] have no articles at 'Kipedia.  Neither ''Galvanised'' or ''Vulcanised''  I've put them on my watchlist so vandals beware.  The population of nails have tripled in recent years.  [[User:216.106.180.138|216.106.180.138]] 13:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:However, it does have articles on [[Wikipedia:galvanization|galvanization]] and [[Wikipedia:vulcanization|vulcanization]] (both linked to in the article, under [[No Hands On Deck!#Explanations|Explanations]])... and given what it actually is, I doubt 'kipedia would reccommend vulcanized nails... they wouldn't be particularly stable... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::when you find an article on vulcanized nails, ill buy you a pizza. or a trophy. or a pizza trophy. or a pit's atrophy.{{User:Csours/sig}} 13:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I looked at [[Wikipedia:Deck_(building)|deck building]] and it says nothing about nails either. So much for THAT reference. HR prob isn't reading the actual wikipedia. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yay for Stephen Colbert.  And by the way, Csours, Pit's a trophy in Super Smash Brothers Melee: [http://nindb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dol/images/cam/gal/gal_ms-t26.jpg check here].  And yed, in case you were wondering, I DO have too much random video game information. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 06:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::you get a vulcanized nail for finding that. well, as soon as [[User:Phlip|Phlip]] finds some. {{User:Csours/sig}} 13:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::The [[Wikipedia:Nail_(engineering)|Wikipedia article about nails]] mentions galvanized nails, citing them as "treated for resistance to corrosion and/or weather exposure", which would make them perfect for building a deck.  Of course that means that either 'Kipedia is not the same thing as Wikipedia or Homestar is just talking out of his butt.  Neither alternative is surprising, but it does mean that galvanized nails sound pretty legit.  Also, NFITC, that link is a little misleading; It's an article about decks, not building them.  [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::galvanized nails are good for building decks. only prablem is if you use acq treated lumber, and here is why: acq contains a pretty good amount of copper, and galvanized nails are coated with zinc. when zinc and copper meet across a solution, ie rainwater, electricity happens. it is a very tiny amount, but it is enough to eat the nails pretty quickly (from a building's pov). so they are legit, but still kind of funny and ignorant. {{User:Csours/sig}} 23:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

== Loadinating the Websites! ==

On the Irregular Loading Screen page is says that loadinate might be a reference to burninate. How can "Loadinate" not be a reference to "Burninate"?! I think it should be moved from Trivia to Inside References, but not while the ILS page says "might be". {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

== Deck-Building Sequence Stub ==

Can someone please add more detail to the Deck-Building-Sequence bit of the transcript? You know, the bit with all the hammers and stuff? I was gonna do it myself but so much happens and it's really hard and I'm too lazy. You know how it is. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'll do it. Hang on a mo'. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::And now it's done. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::You missed a few details. I added them. I was working on it while you were and had an edit conflict. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 18:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==Apothecary==

Apothecary was last mentioned in [[2 emails]]. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 18:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: No, it wasn't. It was last mentioned in [[theme song]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: PS. That wasn't an invitation to add it to the page. Sure, it's not a common word, but it's still a WORD. Either we should make a page for it (which I can actually see, since it's been used three times in rather unusual contexts) or just leave it be. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
::I made a page for it, but someone wants it deleted. Go to [[Apothecary]] and tell me what you think.
:::'''Update:''' The page is not being contested at this time. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Impossible ==

I put in the real life references, originally, though someone took it out, that the floating objects at the end are Escher-like impossible objects.  Any reason why this shouldn't be there?  Good ol' Escher.  I didn't put it in, but he was an actual "Dutch Master" instead of a "Deutsch Master."

:Uhh, why are they impossible objects?  Just because you can't have floating wood?  Thats hardly incongruent with the Homestar Runner universe.  Stranger things have happened.  I also can't place ANY resemblence between clouds surrounded with wood to MC Escher.

::I took them out because the clouds are no impossible objects. I'm quite familiar with the works of Escher and Penrose, etc. Those clouds don't even try to be impossible in that sense. Sure, the two swirly bits point in different directions, but there is no indication that they are both supposed to sit flat on that connecting beam. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:::In fact, the clouds are presumably in three dimensions, and not perfectly spheroid (there could easily be 'dents'). So, it's impossible to say whether or not the wood actually matches the contour of the clouds. And as it's physically impossible to line clouds with decking anyway, we must rite this off to cartoon physics anyhow. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Tony's pizza? ==

[[Image:Coach's Tonys.png|thumb|Coach's Tonys]]
[[Image:Tony.jpg|thumb|left|Tha actual Tony]]
I question the comparison of the Tony Award to pizza. Here's blurry photographic evidence. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

:You know, the trophies do look kinda PBTC. Mabye The Cheat counterfitted those trophies.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::They're about the same level of detail as, say, the free money in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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== 'uestion about 'reviation of 'kipedia ==

Hey, am I the only one wondering whether "'kipedia" was not in fact Homestar abbreviating, but the scene cutting to him mid-word? I.e. "...-kipedia" instead of "'kipedia"? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:During the sliding transition scene, Homestar's mouth is closed. So if he was getting cut in mid-word, he was taking a little bit longer than usually between the "wick" and the "kee". - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== itchy glitchy ==

once you get the lockers and can click the handle, you can still click where it was after the scene changes once
:yea, i had it on there and some1 deleted it.{{User:Csours/sig}} 23:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

== Is this a 10 year anniversary reference? ==

In a [[R!OT Radio Interview 1|radio interview]], Mike said:

<blockquote>... we were working in the Olympics one day in 1996, and, uh, had a day off, and were bored, and wanted to do something, so we, uh, created the, uh, characters and made a little book, and, uh, that was pretty much it. We went to Kinko's, and made about ten copies for our friends. And, uh, you know, a few years later, we, uh, we decided to make a website. Pretty much the rest is history.</blockquote>

This toon is 10 years and a few weeks from the '96 Olympics in Atlanta. So, could the "original" Homestar" appearance ("Marshmallows!") be a reference to the 10-year anniversary of the creation of Homestar Runner? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm, there are no marshmallows in the [[Original Book]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, but there is that design of Homestar. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Um no there isnt. That design of Homestar is around luau time. That and the orignal book Homestar are different. {{User:Dagger/sig}} 05:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Qermaq: I don't think this is it. [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006#Where do you see yourself in five years?|TBC said]] that they've been planning this for some time now. The toon is coming this month. Get ready. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

== Walk-Smash-Walk? ==

The building sequence seems similar to the internet cartoon, Walk-Smash-Walk. [http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/193426]

Both featured a similar graphical styling, techno music in the background, and silhouetted characters banging on nails. 

I kind of think that the status as a possible reference should be on the main page. Anyone agree?

[[User:72.73.32.226|72.73.32.226]] 23:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
*Apparently, no one does. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

*I wouldn't say that the graphical styling is similar, and there's not really anyone banging on nails in the cartoon.  I think that it's probably just a coincidence.   {{User:The Joe/sig}} 16:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

*Wow, now that I watch it again, it's very similar.  That's really weird.  It's probably still a coincidence, though.  That's really odd....   {{User:The Joe/sig}} 23:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

*Looking at the Homestar one again, it's really not that similar but it did totally remind me of Walk-Smash-Walk when I saw it. [[User:67.149.152.79|67.149.152.79]] 04:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

== It's a minor quibble, but... ==

It seems pretty clear to me that Coach Z sings "where is my mother" and not "mudder," despite what the Playbill reads.

With Coach Z's accent, you can never tell.  He has never been one to pronounce "th".   {{User:The Joe/sig}} 18:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Cardboard Marzipan? ==

Could Missy have been busy while they were doing this toon? [[User:70.153.120.35|70.153.120.35]] 17:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Possibly, maybe. We can't ever really be sure, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

well se did just have a baby
:Yeah, like, months ago... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Which would mean that she's now busy with an infant. Given that there's no real explanation for the real Marzie's absence, as in "Happy Fireworks," this seems like a reasonable guess to me, though I think you'd need some type of source for this to merit a mention in the article.
:::Still, how busy is she? Too busy to squeeze in a half hour or less of voice-over work? Doubtful. And I doubt that's the reasoning behind revisiting Cardboard Marzipan, anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahem. What's all this, then? Would you guys kindly take this to the forum? Move along, nothing to see here.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think the point of the thread was whether Missy's non-involvement was notable due to the baby. I think not. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, then I misunderstood. I thought it was about ''why'' she was missing, which would of course be pure speculation. And you're right, Marzipan's absence isn't notable &mdash; especially not based on speculation. :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Possible Error/Goof ==

When you are able to click the handle in the locker room to bring up the Playbill, you can still click that area of the screen when the shot changes to that of Coach Z with the orphan hat on. Would this count as an error? To see it just hold down tab during that entire scene.

==DVD?==
Is this toon featured on [[Everything Else, Volume 1]]?--[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]
:Given it was made a good 9 months after EE, the answer is no. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 20:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== Little orphan Oliver ===

{{stufffact|Coach Z's musical character resembles the title character of ''[[Wikipedia:Oliver!|Oliver!]]'', and his song about a missing mother is likely a reference to Oliver's solo "Where Is Love?"}}
{{stuffverdict|23:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)|05:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)|declined|14|11. A proposed revision was also declined, 8-3|No Hands on Deck!}}

== One dimensional ==

This was added to the fun facts:
<blockquote>Homestar's comments on Melonade and Bubs' comments to dancing, are reference to their original, one-dimensional personalities.</blockquote>
Seem kinda POV to me, maybe could be restated. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vulcanized nails now... ==

The Wikipedia page on deck building now has a sentence at the end of it saying "Vulcanized nails are the way to go when building a deck." This was added on Friday December 1, 2006. Probably by someone who either visits this wiki or saw the toon. Should this somehow be placed in the fun facts under the current fact about the wiki article? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 06:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:No, we shouldn't have vandalism in the fun facts. The actions of bored geeks are not at all notable.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== Love Boat? ==
When Bubs and Homestar finish their conversation, Bubs' line is somewhat similar to Bartender Isaac Washington's catchphrase from The Love Boat. Notable? contributed by anonymous; March 11, 2007.

== Is the giant deck a Doom reference?? ==

When I saw the giant deck that Homestar had built, I thought it was supposed to look like one of the final levels in Doom, where the square raised pad is where the bull-headed boss thing stands, and those wooden things floating in the sky are... whatever those things are that float in the sky in Doom... is this just bizarre a brainfart on my part?