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Should knowledge base be capitalized?

I just noticed knowledge base was hyphenated in the welcome line and fixed that, but I also noticed it's capitalized in the browse box. I was going to be bold and lowercase it, but then I thought twice and figured I should ask. My inclination would be to uncapitalize it, but what do you think? — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 02:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I was bold. ;) None of the other headings are title case; we should either change them all to title case or leave them all sentence case. — It's dot com 02:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
It's still hyphenated in the donation box. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 10:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. -- Tom 10:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
That one too, but I was referring to the main page bottom box, "If you've found this knowledge-base useful, please consider making a donation. Donations are used primarily to cover domain registration and hosting costs." Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 10:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. --phlip TC 11:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Haha, just as a side mention... Removing that hyphen from the donations box and replacing it with a space makes the two-pixel difference on my display, pushing it from a one line donation mention to a two line. Thunderbird 19:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

IRF the oracle

I just noticed that assuming TBC will keep with tradtion (not 100% since they didn't do a D'ween toon this year), the 150th email is scheduled at the same time as April fools. Perhaps those two themes will be tied together in sight unparalleled since tape leg. Me thinks next week will extra special in H*R land. I R F 19:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Woah.

The main page looks different to me did someone change it?

Yeah, look two or three sections up. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 01:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Metadata in image description pages

This edit just about takes the cake. I have absolutely no idea what E.L. Cool changed because I can't see it. The metadata is in the way. 1024x768 resolution tabs bar open in SeaMonkey and Modern Pinball skin applied. Any way we could fix this, or alternatively not display the metadata? I'm all for having to scroll left and right if it comes to that. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 05:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

This appears to be fixed in the next version of MediaWiki, or at the very least, with Wikipedia's current styling of the metadata. We should look into the difference between how we currently style it and how they do. -- Tom 10:43, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
You can see what they said by scrolling over the text and copying it to notepad. I R F 12:30, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps just putting clear:both under table.diff in Mediawiki:Monobook.css would do the trick? Which is to say that it would work, but I don't want to do it without knowing whether it would break anything. I doubt it would though. --phlip TC 12:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I thought we were looking at the actual description page and not the diff itself. Phlip, that does work, but wouldn't we want to move the metadata down instead of the diff? -- Tom 09:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to "butt" in, but wouldn't it perhaps be more prudent to simply prevent the metadata from appearing at all? Perhaps we have no choice but to have it appear. I just question the need of displaying the specific model of digital camera that was used to take a photograph or superfluous details such as "exposure bias" or "maximum land aperture". Pardon me if I seem a bit overzealous. —THE PAPER PREEEOW 08:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
The date is usually interesting, at least. Thunderbird 20:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
True, Thunderbird. But I question the accuracy when I see that you took this image more than three months prior to the event on 22 November 2005! —THE PAPER PREEEOW 21:24, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, that's just because I was too lazy to actually set the clock correctly on my camera. I'm sure TBC and affiliates are better about that kind of thing. ;) Thunderbird 23:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

5 more articles!!!

5 more till we reach 1337 status and I want to congratulate the wiki with many combolations as to their h4x0r defense — 24.182.200.111 (Talk | contribs) 20:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC) (left unsigned)

Left-handedness

Homestar plays lute and bass left-handed. What's Her Face also plays bass left-handed. Gregor is left-handed in "Everyone is Different". Notable? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 20:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... Homestar doesn't exactly even have arms on the conventional sense. But yeah, interesting. As a side note, most Muppets are left handed. The puppeteer uses his right hand to operate the head while operating the arm rod with his left hand. But that doesn't really relate to anything here, just a comment about the prominence of left handed characters in general. Thunderbird 20:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that Homestar and What's Her Face playing left-handed is just a minor mistake overlooked by TBC. And by the way, a better place for this kind of discussion is Category talk:Running Gags or Category talk:Inside Jokes. Has Matt? (talk) 22:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Recent Changes RSS

Okay. I just got an RSS reader, and, where is the feed located at? I tried the url of the rss link at the left od RC, but it isn't working. Help, at all? Bluebry 02:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Which RSS reader are you using, Bluebry? We use two different protocols for our feeds here, RSS and Atom. Most readers support both protocols these days, but if you've only tried one protocol and it isn't working, you may have better luck with the other protocol. I may be able to help further once I know which reader you're using. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
What is the point of viewing recent changes in RSS? --Dacheatbot · Communicate 17:47, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
That's a good question. I personally have never found it useful. It's probably used less for human consumption and more for other things like feeding recent changes to a maintenance bot, for instance, or having them show up in real time in a chat room. RSS is just a nice way of packaging the recent changes for use elsewhere. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
My reader is an expansion to Firefox, called Sidekik. I've tryed both RSS and Atom on it. Ima try a new RSS reader. Bluebry 01:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist

This is kinda wierd, but I'm sure somebody has an explanation;

I just went in to edit the items on my watchlist, and I found 2 pages listed that not only don't exist, but I did not put on my watchlist:

  • Briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs on briefs, Wayne Rooney thinks you're all freaking sick oddballs who ********** over George W. Bush in his underwear, plus $20,000
  • Willy on Wheels on Wheels, on wheels

The second one thinks that this is just a type of vandalism. Is there any way to protect against it? -AtionSong 03:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

What must have heppened: some vandal moved a page you were watching to that name. Then it was deleted and recreated for any of a number of reasons. There's no one hacking into your Watchlist, rest assured - the hacking was done to the page you had set to watch. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 03:36, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Right. If you're watching "Page A" and it gets moved to "Page B", then now you're automatically watching both the old name "Page A" and the new name "Page B". If a vandal moves "Page A" to "Page A ON WHEELS", you end up watching both of those pages too. Even after the visible damage is reverted and the extra page is deleted, "Page A ON WHEELS" will still show up in your full watchlist as a red link. — It's dot com 03:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. It turns off both were moves of this page itself. In the future, I'll just delete these links. -AtionSong 03:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Why can't I edit the main page?

Well anyway, the "Bear Holding a Shark T-Shirt" link needs to be change on account of the reorganized store section. Could someone please change the link to "http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Store_T-Shirts#tshirt_bear-shark" Thanks! Jecowa 06:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. BTW, when you need to change something in the "What's new" section of the Main Page, you actually need to edit Template:whatsnew. That's where the text in that part of the page is. You can't edit the Main Page because it's protected so that only sysops can edit it. We do this to prevent vandalism on the Main Page, our most visible page. Heimstern Läufer 06:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help and info. Jecowa 07:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
We've added this info to the standard welcome message. Hopefully that will help get the word out. — It's dot com 10:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps a little inconspicuous edit link in the what's new template wouldn't go astray? I've seen a few wikis where the main page is full of templates, and they often have an edit link on each one... --phlip TC 11:00, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
We tried that once, and it just opened the door back up. Apparently it wasn't inconspicuous enough. I think enough people know about how to update it that we don't need to change anything. — It's dot com 11:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Interesting...What Does this Mean?

Last night, I way playing the Dancing Bubs game on H*R. Today I went on, and two of the songs weren't working. I checked, and the swf files of the music had been deleted. Do you think that this could mean anything? -AtionSong 15:49, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Dancin' Bubs is working fine for me. Server may have just been having issues. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 16:04, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Secret Pages tend to get low bandwidth and frequently appear to be deleted when they're not. For some reason, some of the songs in Dancin' Bubs are included in that. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 16:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Those two songs seem to be 404 on occasion... without knowing technical details of TBC's hosting setup, it's difficult to know why. Though if I had to guess, I'd say that they might have two servers that they serve the files from, and the songs are missing on one... this could also explain why the .exe versions of take-a-break.exe and the screensavers don't always work, one of the servers could be configured differently to the other for .exe files. This is complete speculation, however, we know nothing about H*R.com's internal structure. --phlip TC 16:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

WikkiTikkiTavi

So... are we reverting to WikkiTikkiTavi permanently or temporarily? And can someone give us a specific reason why the change was made? Has Matt? (talk) 05:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

The MediaWiki software was getting too complicated and difficult to maintain. -- Tom 05:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Has Matt?, didn't you read the memo? — Lapper (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I read the memo, but I was looking for a more specific cause. If it's some kind of secret we're not supposed to know, that's OK with me. Has Matt? (talk) 05:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

April Fools. SaltyTalk! 05:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I am afraid that you are incorrect, Salty. This was planned out months before today, and it was pure coincidence that it happened today. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Pure coincidence? Rogue, everybody knows that the first of April is National Regrade Your Wiki day. — Lapper (talk) 05:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

How come Fanstuff is still running on MediaWiki? Has Matt? (talk) 05:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

We haven't finished moving everything to the WikkiTikkiTavi version yet. Keep your pants on, Has Matt? :) —FireBird|Talk 05:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
In fact, it might be week or so before we can get to the Fanstuff. In the meantime, we plan on taking it offline in a day or two. — It's dot com 05:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Nope, this is real, Salty. I saw them working on it a few days ago, and asked It's Dot Com about it, suspecting vandalism. He explained it all to me, and I support the decision fully. It's not as pretty, but if it works, and it's less of a drain on the server... -YK 06:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to everyone for the lack of notice, but MediaWiki was getting so unweildy we decided to just go through with the regrade before really preparing the community. The admins and sysops have been discussing this for a few months in Da Basement (it's all been archived by now, but you'll find it there if you look). We decided to do this now for three reasons: (1) MediaWiki has way too many SQL tables. That was creating a lot of unnecessary overhead and it was really starting to tax the server. 'Tavi has a smaller database, so it should work better. (2) MediaWiki is really designed for multi-server load balancing systems like Wikipedia. After using it for over a year now we've become painfully aware just how kludgy MediaWiki is when it's running on a single server like ours. 'Tavi should be able to handle our single-server system much better. (3) Surprisingly, MediaWiki had no optimization of it's X32 page caching, which was really starting to eat up a lot of space on our server. 'Tavi recently rolled out better X45 page caching that looks to revolutionize the wiki market. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of other wikis switch to 'Tavi now that 'Tavi has stepped it up a notch. Again, sorry for the short notice, but we felt we had to do it now before MediaWiki crashed the server and caused unrecoverable data loss. If you have any more specific questions about the regrade, feel free to ask them here or on the FAQ talk page. Cheers! — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 05:20, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

You guys see? this is why we need a New Server, from what i understand, we need more servers to be able to run on Media wiki. oi, we should have another fund raiser for another Server. man this Sux. ---COLA 05:35, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
We're planning a pledge drive in May, but I don't think it's really a good use of funds to buy a second server when we don't get nearly enough traffic to need one. I think using 'Tavi will alleviate the problems we've been having for the foreseeable future. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 05:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah Choc-O, with this switch we should be able to eliminate enough Server stress to sell half of our server to the Klingons or something. ŢɦųηɗəřÞìɤɖ 08:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we at least change the interface back? --The Real Zajac 00:57, 1 Apr 2006 (PST)

Nope, sorry. This is the only working interface we have on WikiTikkiTavi. We're currently working on extensions to make it look a little cleaner, but it may be a few months before they're ready. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 09:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

What day is it? April 1st? Really? April fools day? What a coincidence. DBK! 05:59, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

  • cough* *cough* view source *cough* -- Soapergem Talk.png Contrib.png 07:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to sound like a party pooper, but I can't live on a wiki in this state. Until it eventually reverts back, I am denouncing my usership. Strong Sader 09:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not staying, either. I'ma live at the fanstuff, and when they go down, I go down with 'em. Seriously. Homfrog 10:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

That's too bad guys. Us sysops discussed this a few days ago, and I'm fully supportive of this move. We can still do everything he did before, the inconvenience isn't that bad, is it? It might seem a little awkward at first, but in a few days it should be natural. Give the Tavi a chance... this is still the same wiki. - Joshua 12:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Wait, wait, wait. Are you staying that this is f'real f'ever? Dang! TotalSpaceshipGirl3 12:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it'll take a little to get used to it, but there's nothing we can really do about it. I don't like this new style either, but it's supposed to run a little better. -FaceCrap 13:08, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
You mean this is real forever?! Ohhhh man! I hate this server or whatever it's called! No offense, but this isn't... I dunno. Aw... =( --MrsCommanderson 13:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Blerg. This April Fools day is filled with crap for crap pranks. -- retnirP roloC 13:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Can I at least go back to a MediaWiki-esque environment through my monobook? My head REALLY hurts. Bluebry 13:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess I CAN live with it, but I'm not happy. I there any hope of it being non-mediocre again? Strong Sader 14:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I kind of like it this way. --TheThin 14:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't think it was 'Tavi either, I just want it to look like Mediawiki for the time being. (Also, MediaWiki:monobook.css. Notice MediaWiki:.) Bluebry 14:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

We simply moved the same files over to this interface. If we renamed them, we would have so much more work to do. This is WikkiTikkiTavi. — Lapper (talk) 14:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
To Lapper: Hello Lapper. I am the Queen of England. All hail me. Now, ha ha, jokes over, my head hurts. We know it's MediaWiki. You can't cover it up. (And no, I'm not royalty) Bluebry 14:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying Tavi is a bad thing. It's just so... Mediocre. Strong Sader 14:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT:If you want a MonoBook like interface, go to your preferences and change your skin setting to Classic. It seems only the MonoBook skin has been modified, and most of the rest have been deltaco'd. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

So why did you guys have to do this without telling us? I don't see a single thing in Da Basement. Also, what horrible server crap are you guys talking about?! I have never seen a problem with mediawiki. Never. It's always been perfect. Do you mind telling us why the crap we're stuck here forever when the bad stuff isn't even seeable to us?! We're here forever! This sucks muchly! An hod how do I change it to mediawiki in my preferences!? — Seriously (Talk) 14:22, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I thaught it was for april fools. --TheThin 14:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
First of all, if we were to discuss it, we would have way too many issues with user threats, oppositions, and other matters. We kept it private and carried it out swiftly for your comfort. And no, The thing, this is not a joke. — Lapper (talk) 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Seriously: The mediocre layout should hopefully be at least partially fixed by July. Or June if we're lucky. The big admins are working on it, so just sit back, relax, and try to adapt. And how would you know how well the server is? You've never had to work on it, pay for it, maintain it... - Joshua 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The Thing: That's just nonsense. Are you trying to make some sense? - Joshua 14:26, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This joke isn't funny, it's sick, and sad. I spent two hours crying because I love the wiki. Strong Sader 14:25, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. My fake detention slip for my brother was funny, but DEFINATLY not this. This is not really cruel but is unusual. Bluebry 14:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

In other strange and unbelievable news, Tom has a sig. ;) — Seriously (Talk) 14:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that is the joke you all are looking for today. — Lapper (talk) 14:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh wait. That's Thunderbird, the wily sysop. I'm watching you, Thunderbird....Seriously (Talk) 14:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Jay/Thunderbird/Tom aren't the only ones with sig issues today. — Lapper (talk) 14:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh really. — Seriously (Talk) 15:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, what Seriously said. This sucks. is this some kinda bad joke?--Jnelson09 15:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

No joke here, Jnelson09. Just read Joey's explanation a-ways up. — Lapper (talk) 15:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
It is not a joke. The admins just decided to be cruel and to it on a day supposed to be for celebration. — Seriously (Talk) 15:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
We're not cruel, Seriously. Sorry to ruin your holiday. — Lapper (talk) 15:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
We would never want to be too cruel, though. — Lapper (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, MediaWiki consumes a lot of resources. WikkiTikkiTavi is better than no Wiki, right? ~ Sephy 15:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. Keep a positive outlook on WikkiTikkiTavi, and before you know it, you won't even miss MediaWiki. — Lapper (talk) 15:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey! Maybe this'll be kinda fun for the users who weren't here for the original wiki! This is kinda awesome. H * R 7 0 0 15:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This wiki is bland and boring... At least put a backround up like the old one. It is also harder to navigate through the pages and I liked it better when it was in MediaWiki! This version is straying from the fermilliar Wikipedia format and appearance. Is it an april fools joke or what? --Finest1 15:39, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to put a link to Special:Random in the, um... top...bar? Has Matt? (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I tried changing the skin to something a little less dull and most of the skins don't work! The classic one is kind of messed up because the HR picture at the top is a bit big and blocking some text and there is no search feild ether! I screwd up the skin stuff when I was tring to change to one and It would give me this error page if i tried to go any where. I needed to clear my cookies to reset it! I want MediaWiki back! If it stays this way, then you wont see much of me any more! and I will tell other people to not use it too!(Finest1) --68.82.251.100 16:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that it is running even more glitcher than MediaWiki(which was hardly glitchy at all) I keep getting all these faitle errors! ADMINS: please reset the account: Finest1!(me)--68.82.251.100 16:16, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

It's for the sake of the server right now. We are working on ironing out the glitches. —BazookaJoe 16:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Why is TikkiTavi bad? Is it just because it looks different? It works fine for me. If you trying switching to the Blue cologne skin, you may like the appearance more. Jecowa 16:19, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

To be honest with you guys, this TikkiTavi thingy is really confusing for me to work with. I can't really get used to it. In the Media Wiki format, everything was easy to see and understand. With TikkiTavi, the links are all over the place, the colors are different, and the layout is confusing. Everything is just scattered. Can't we just revert to the way that we all know and love?--Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifhr.pngΨHomsarΨroksΨImage:kookysig.gifImage:Cheat-shrug-tiny.gif 16:24, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I was examinig this and i found out that the real tavi looks like this, but the pages are different, this is only a skin for MediaWiki. (Or corse(sic) that I can be wrong, but mostly not.) -20eric06 16:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone could write some cascading style sheet code to organize the links some. Jecowa 16:29, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

This is The Chort. Unfortunatly, I accidently selected a skin in the preferences menu that doesn't work. As a result, I can't log in on my user name. Becuase it can't load the skin, all I get is an error message: Fatal error: Class skinchick: Cannot inherit from undefined class skintemplate in /home/hrwiki/public_html/skins/Chick.php on line 21. At least I can edit anonomously. If this is an April Fools joke, than it should be OK. When reverts back to normal tomorrow, I can change back to normal from my preferences menu. But if this is for real (which I refuse to believe), then I guess I'll be leaving. I can't work on here, annonumously on a horrendous layout. 81.159.210.246 16:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Try copying this link, log in, and paste the link into the address bar. I'm not sure if this will work, but it should do. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif 16:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
The link is: http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&useskin=monobook
The Chort, I think it's normal for bugs to happen when a big server move like this happens. We can only hope for the best, and hope the sysops will work it out. I'm sure they will be able to. — Seriously (Talk) 16:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm just praying that this is all some big April Fool's Day joke by the sysops.--Image:Homsar-in-motion.gifhr.pngΨHomsarΨroksΨImage:kookysig.gifImage:Cheat-shrug-tiny.gif 17:02, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

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