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::::::What operating system and browser are you useing? I'm using windows vista b/w IE 8.0. Maybe it's got something to do with that.
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:::::::My cache is removed every time I close my browser (Firefox 3 btw), and I'm using Xubuntu 8.04. The games menu also has issues with flashplayer-nonfree for Linux =/ [[Special:Contributions/66.168.19.135|66.168.19.135]] 17:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::My cache is removed every time I close my browser (Firefox 3 btw), and I'm using Xubuntu 8.04. The games menu also has issues with flashplayer-nonfree for Linux =/ [[Special:Contributions/66.168.19.135|66.168.19.135]] 17:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
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Okay, this is a bit late, but I originally meant that the weekly stuff that was here wasn't on homestarrunner.com. I just wanted to know whether it was and why it was removed. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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Auto Log Out?

I occasionally am logged out for no reason when I don't click the "log out" button. Do we have an automatic log out or something, or is there some glitch in the server? DrPepper42 19:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe your cookies expired. Happens to me on occasion. --DorianGray 19:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Maybe. I didn't know that could happen. Which isn't that unusual. Thanks! DrPepper42 21:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I find there's an inevitable period of time when I come onto the wiki and I am not automatically logged in. Happens. Log in again, be sure to to check the "always keep me logged in" and go. A few times a year ain't a problem. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:45, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm talking about moving from page to page on the wiki. I don't use "always stay logged in" because I've got a little brother who will probably get me banned. DrPepper42 00:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
It might be that you're moving between hrwiki.org and www.hrwiki.org, which even though they are the same thing are treated differently by your computer. To avoid the problem, I log in on both. — It's dot com 03:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd consider that a glitch in the server. DrPepper42 18:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Without going into too much horrible detail: hrwiki.org and www.hrwiki.org are considered by your browser to be two different sites for technical reasons. This is not a trivial thing to fix. Similarly, the cookies do not translate from one site to the next for security reasons. So, no glitch, just something you gotta keep your eye on. --Stux 02:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

New inside ref.

Most of my other attempts at officializing inside references have been turned down, so I figured I'd ask here this time.

Marzipan dating The Cheat. This seems to be an omvious recurring theme, even before Date Nite, what with their secret hot dates.

See Marzipan and The Cheat's Relationship. --DorianGray 21:29, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Heroes Con

TBC will be in/near Charlotte, NC this weekend at the Heroes Convention, as confirmed here. They will be at booth 532, and the con goes from Friday to Sunday. DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 16:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Back from the future?

The weekly stuff doesn't seem to be on the site yet... —Einstein runner (thorax.pngfile_icon.gifmail_icon.gif) 01:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

You're right! Woah! DrPepper42 12:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
After about 2 or more days of it being on HRWiki, it's STILL not on the main site. =/ Who knows, maybe it'll come with the next update? 66.168.19.135 12:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, it's on the main page for me... try clearing your cache. Trey56 14:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I think he means on the main pages of homestarrunner.com. I doubt that The Brothers Chaps know about this problem so we will never get to see those weeklies (I can't see it either). Hopefully the next time the quotes are updated this problem won't happen again. Homestar-Winner (talk) 14:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Right, I assumed s/he meant the h*r.com main pages, but as early as last night, I was able to view the weeklies through Main Page 10. Interestingly, though, I can't get them on this (different from last night) computer even after doing a hard refresh. Maybe I have to completely obliterate my cache... Trey56 15:08, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
What operating system and browser are you useing? I'm using windows vista b/w IE 8.0. Maybe it's got something to do with that.
My cache is removed every time I close my browser (Firefox 3 btw), and I'm using Xubuntu 8.04. The games menu also has issues with flashplayer-nonfree for Linux =/ 66.168.19.135 17:09, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, this is a bit late, but I originally meant that the weekly stuff that was here wasn't on homestarrunner.com. I just wanted to know whether it was and why it was removed. —Einstein runner (thorax.pngfile_icon.gifmail_icon.gif) 23:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Background Image

Okay, some questions about the greyscale field background:

  1. Where is the actual file located?
  2. Is there any interest in replacing it with the most up-to-date field/sky that TBC have been using?
    • If so, is there any interest in manipulating it to be a "tiling" background so that it would be seamless for use on any resolution?
    • If not, can we resize the existing one so that it's at least 1280 pixels wide? (1440 pixels wide would be my preference, actually)

Yes, most articles are large enough that the background is almost never seen, but for "young" talk pages it'd be nice for the background to get some pleasing visibility. IMHO. OptimisticFool 07:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

It's at www.hrwiki.org/skins/monobook/headbg-kb.jpg, 1250 pixels wide and 24kB large. My screen is 1680 pixels wide, and I don't think I noticed the awkward tiling until now. I don't think we should make the image wider. It will increase the file size, and who knows when the next user comes with an even wider screen. But yeah, a version that repeats seamlessly would look better and might even reduce the file size. Having said that, I don't think it's too important to change, either ;-) Loafing 10:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, the image right now is 523 pixels in height. I don't think many HRWiki'ers use 800x600, so its height could be increased too, by adding to the sky... and there's plenty of sky to work with. That would make the field visible on the screen for longer. And having an increased-size jpeg can't be that much bigger. But unlike any given article image, I guess it is a file that's loaded by thousands more people so maybe that little increase could be a big deal. Anyway, a tiled background wouldn't be entirely authentic to TBC's work but could still make sense. And yes, I know it's not too important to change it, but I'm always asking for a challenge (of the image variety). I'm going to play around with it for a bit. OptimisticFool 17:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Hey! I use 800x600, and I like it! Well, that's when I'm on my computer. No idea what the resolution is on my TV when I'm on my Wii. SuperfieldCreditUnion
Are you 60+ or do you just have bad eyesight? =] OptimisticFool 18:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure the Wii's Internet Channel emulates an 800x600 screen as well. As for the tiling background issue, it definitely would look better if it were either widened or changed so that the tiling is seamless, though I don't think it's too important to change, as there aren't many pages on the wiki where we end up seeing the entire background image. — Kilroy / talk 18:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
The Widescreen setting on the Wii makes the resolution something else. Though my laptop is Hi-Definition. (which is wide) DrPepper42 18:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
For your information, I prefer not to have everything on my screen about the size of a grain of sand, and I have excellent eyesight. And I do set my Wii to widescreen. SuperfieldCreditUnion
{kills colons} What does having grain of sand stuff have to do with anything? Hi-Def leaves stuff the same size, but with a better resolution. DrPepper42 20:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
{adds another colon anyway :D} Actually when you set the Wii to widescreen mode, the screen width stays at 800, but the height is changed to something else.. I think it lowers it to around 450 or something. Oh, and I have my Wii set to widescreen mode and text is, for the most part, readable to me. Though whenever I use the Internet Channel on a standard-def TV, the text definitely is grain-of-sand sized.  :S — Kilroy / talk 20:39, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
{kills the new colon} Oh. I thought he was talking about Hi-Def laptop screens. DrPepper42 (Talk | contribs) 20:42, 21 June 2008 (left unsigned)

This thread is for discussing the size of our background image. Discussions about why your particular screen resolution p0wns everybody else's should go on the forum. Loafing 20:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I was talking about what effects my screen had on the background. It doesn't look that bad. Maybe I'm just crazy. and, I don't use the forum. DrPepper42 23:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
As you can see from my awesome colon indentation, I was not replying directly to your post but was rather commenting on this discussion in general. Loafing 00:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Fit to be tiled

Here's the tile and this is what it looks like tiled. I tried grayscaling it and getting the brightness and contrast to match what we already have, but it just wasn't working for me. So these are my results in color. OptimisticFool 05:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Nice work, Oppie. The tile effect is positively seamless. If someone could get that greyscaled, I think we should use it. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 05:24, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Looks good to me! Trey56 19:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
Awesome job, OptimisticFool! — Kilroy / talk 19:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the support so far, juys. Now here's what I suggest: Replace this 23.5k jpeg with this 11.2k png, thus turning this into this. I added some extra cloudless space at the top of the greyscaled image since it will always be completely covered up. (There are two exceptions (that I can think of) to this: (1) someone blanks a page completely, and (2) a <pre> goes long, like this (hint: scroll right).) So, yeah, the extra space allows the background to be visible for longer. Any other suggestions? OptimisticFool 07:38, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

So, umm.. is this being considered? OptimisticFool 21:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, but somebody with the powers would have to actually carry it out. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 22:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Here's another Before and After, this time from my Lappy. The 1440 width shows it better than the 1280 width. And Super Martyo, what I was wondering is if the folks with powers were considering this. =] OptimisticFool 17:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh! Yes! I'd read this thread a while ago and just got busy and hadn't had a chance to replace the appropriate files. Not to worry, though, it will be happening. — It's dot com 20:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool tapes, man. =] OptimisticFool 23:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Spongebob in china?

On youtube i found this video and matt chapman name was in it [1]

I know it's come up before, though I can't recall where. I believe we decided it was a coincidence. "Matt" and "Chapman" are not uncommon names. --Jay (Talk) 20:01, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This is where it was discussed before. Loafing 21:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Accepted Spelling

I think the wiki ought to be consistent in its spelling. Recently the spelling of donut/doughnut reminded me of this. Another one is gummi/gummy. Has the broad subject of consistency in spelling been brought up before? I think it kind of goes in the category of flavor/flavour, as well. Another one that comes to mind is y'all/ya'll. So, do we or should we have a page to list our "decisions" regarding spelling, with its accompanying talk page available to reach a consensus for each of these and others? OptimisticFool 23:02, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Such things would probably go under HRWiki:Manual of Style#Spelling. — It's dot com 23:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
As a general rule, we spell it like TBC do. If they have not spelled it out, or they have been inconsistent (and we always agree with their spelling in related situations) then we generally use the most accepted spelling based on what evidence we can collect. "Doughnut", IMO, trumps "donut" which is clearly a shortened, slang form. "Y'all" is the correct form; however, we use "ya'll" when TBC do. And obviously American spellings are used over British. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 23:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't agree with you on the spelling of donut.. =] ..but my purpose in bringing this up here was not to gain consensus, but rather to find out where I ought to take these questions of spelling. Since HRWiki:Manual of Style#Spelling is where the topic is addressed, I'll take it to the talk page of that article. OptimisticFool 00:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

__utm.js

Anyone know what significance (if any) this has? It doesn't appear to be on the site now, but it used to be. OptimisticFool 03:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

It's part of a traffic report analyzing system they may have used (or just toyed with... or maybe their ISP just put there... ). The Urchin software was bought by Google in '05.  Green Helmet 03:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Random Junk

Is it just me, or does the rando link, and R on the main pages not work more than normal. This also affects sbemail menu. I constantly can't do rando junk because of it. ColdReactive

Hmm, all three seem to be working for me... does it affect anything if you try a different web browser or a different computer? Trey56 21:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
It worked suddenly 4 mins after that. =/ ColdReactive
Great! Trey56 21:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
It does this off and on though, for me at least once a day now. ColdReactive
What exactly isn't working? — Defender1031*Talk 21:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
rando link in the bottom (horizontal) navigation, R button on all of the main pages, and sbemail menu. This happens at least once every day to me. ColdReactive

The [Character Name Here]

Is there an article describing, outlining the use of "The" in character names? If so, what's its name? ColdReactive

See Integral Article. — It's dot com 00:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Timeline/Historical Dates for homestarrunner.com

As someone interested in reconstructing the history of how the Bros Chaps developed the Homestar universe and website, I would really like to see a feature on the wiki that would list all the content according to the date when it was first added to the Homestar website.

Most articles do currently feature dates, but to my knowledge there's no page where the cartoons and other material on the Homestar website are listed by date.

I'm not an advanced Wiki person, so I've no idea how much work would be involved, but it strikes me as a really vital resource for the wiki. --Henebry 23:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

All Toons lists everything by date. BBG 23:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
These have the updates for 2000 and before, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. If you would like a briefer history, go here. DevonM(talk·cont-ribs) 23:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Search Engine Addition In Firefox

Firefox cuts off the search engine name, and labels it as Homestar Runner Wiki (En is there any discussion or whatnot to have the name of the wiki shortened so that it fits? Because it's annoying to see that I can still add Homestar Runner Wiki (English) to the search engines list (The search box also says a new search engine can be added even though I've already added this engine.) You can always bring it up over at Mozilla.com's bugzilla or something, but I'm sure the bug will immediately be marked as invalid. I'm also sure they'll mark it as an invalid enhancement, and state that "The website can shorten its name, there's NO reason why it isn't possible for them to shorten that name."

For instance, Why not use HRWiki as a name? ColdReactive

I don't get why it should annoy you. That being said, there's no reason for the wiki to shorten its title to something less descriptive just so you can have the full name in your search bar. If you care so much, download the source code to firefox and change the code yourself. As for the "Add Homestar Runner Wiki (English)" still being there, that happens with all search engines. Go to any site that you already have on that list, it will do the same thing. Basically, none of what you said has anything to do with us. — Defender1031*Talk 23:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I have to disagree with the very last statement there. I'll make it harder for you to see (with this youtube video) since you apparently haven't seen it yourself. ColdReactive
Fine, you're apparently right. It doesn't happen on other sites. It's still a result of something that has nothing to do with us. — Defender1031*Talk 02:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll admit I'm at a loss to understand what the issue is. Can someone summarize in small words, please? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The "Add Homestar Runner Wiki" thing at the bottom is there because Firefox is detecting a search box on the current page. For example, go to any random page that has a search box on it, (say, https://addons.mozilla.org/) Check that drop-down and you'll see what I mean. (Post edit conflict note: the other issue is aethetic, the name for the wiki is wider than the space Firefox displays it in).  Green Helmet 02:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Ignore the first part, I see the problem now. I'm guessing that because the truncated string doesn't match the full string, Firefox doesn't properly detect that you've already added the search.  Green Helmet 02:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Qermaq, it's an issue that the firefox search bar only allows names of up to 24 characters. He's suggesting that the wiki shorten its name so it fits, inconveniencing others but fixing his minor annoyance. GreenGuy, no, he's saying it's there even though he's added it already. He's right, this bug in FF causes this as well, but it's a FF problem, and i don't see any reason for the wiki to change to suit one person with one glitchy program. — Defender1031*Talk 02:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I see the issue. It's not an issue. It's just a bug in FF3 and will likely be corrected down the road. I fail to see the negative consequence of this behavior, though. You can select "Homestar Runner Wiki (En" and type in, as I did, "sbemail50" and it works. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 02:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I can see how it would be a minor annoyance, but seriously... — Defender1031*Talk 02:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I see now. Anyway, yeah I'd say just deal with it (24 is a very small limit to impose, I wouldn't be surprised if the mozzerella coders increase that in future releases).  Green Helmet 02:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Bringing back an old discussion

For a while, there was discussion of a main page redesign for our welcome project, but it sort of died in the water. I though this was a good idea, and some of the design were really nice. Any chance of bringing it back, or are we just going to leave it? --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 04:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think it was just one of those things we got too busy for and moved on to other things, but if you have a great idea, I'm sure we'd entertain it. — It's dot com 05:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, the redesign was being done in conjunction with adding links to the multilingual welcome pages, which also seems to have gone fallow as well. I suppose both projects are now dormant? wbwolf (t | ed) 14:29, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Read-Only Forum

How long will it be until we can post stuff on the forum again? BBG 23:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

That has not yet been determined. — It's dot com 00:01, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Did you at least find the cause of all the Lucy/Ricky/Billy Mays crap? BBG 02:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
It was a little joke done by the Admin Ramrod. It was supposed to be only temporary, it was only for fun. extremejon — 76.113.157.206 (Talk | contribs) 07:03, 20 July 2008 (left unsigned)
I think you mean, it was an ill-conceived stunt gone horribly wrong that was supposed to be a joke done by the former admin ramrod. — It's dot com 16:48, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Without getting into forum politics, Telltale Games relied on the forum to get information on their game out. - JestyTalk 17:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
And they will again, once it finally reopens. Not to worry, though: They have accounts here at the wiki, and they have emailed us directly before. I'm confident if they have news, it will reach the appropriate audience. — It's dot com 17:23, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
The stunt didn't go wrong until the head admins took action. extremejon — 76.113.157.206 (Talk | contribs) 20:51, 20 July 2008 (left unsigned)
Yeah, you're probably right. — It's dot com 21:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Wait, former admin ramrod? You unmodded him? JCM 20:59, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Do I have rights to know why the forum needs to be closed even after undoing the prank and punishing ramrod? BBG 03:27, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a weird way to ask that question. — It's dot com 03:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
What are the other reasons the forum's still closed? BBG 03:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Please disclose the reason the forum is closed for read only. How's that? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 19:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Stinkoman 20X6

STINKOMAN 20X6 LEVEL 10 IS COMING OUT!

I'm not finding any evidence of this. Where are you getting this from? Heimstern Läufer 00:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(Main) namespace calamities?!

Is it just me, or is something rather mysterious going on with (main) namespace articles? --Shadow Scythe 06:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Which articles did you see it on? A vandal recently defaced two templates; perhaps you saw the defacement on a page that includes that template? Heimstern Läufer 06:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Saw it on techno. Looks like it got fixed pretty easily, although I'm still not sure how he did it there. Guess it wasn't as serious as I thought, anyways. Silly me.... Ah, I see. Fancy fixedposition code in templates. Well... alright then. --Shadow Scythe 06:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

More skins

Maybe our admins (and other users) should get designing more skins. anyone who has an account on SmashWiki will know why I am saying this. there are only two that I like. Many users are probably in the same boat. Seriously, we need some more skins. DrPepper42 00:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

What skins are enabled is a developer decision, so it doesn't rest with me. Still, I can't see why we need more skins, especially when the developers have many more pressing matters to attend to. New skins can be aesthetically pleasing, but do nothing to make our content better or make the wiki run better. Heimstern Läufer 00:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Bells and whistles FTW, though, Heimstern. --TheYellowDart(t/c) 00:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought we only had one skin? JCM 01:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Ugh, I hate, hate the new default Wikia skin. I've thought of designing an updated skin for us, but if I ever do, it will look nothing like that. — It's dot com 02:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
jcm: There are 3 skins that work here... MonoBook (the default MediaWiki skin), Cologne Blue (a minimalistic one, which I use), and TaviStyle (designed to look like Old:, used in an April-fools thing). The other stock MediaWiki skins may or may not work... and might need some tweaking in order to look nice... I haven't tried. --phlip TC 22:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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