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Lil Steiny?

I thought Lil' Steiny was a reference to superhero name... --Dwedit 23:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

No, in an email, it's pronounced, "Stiny." The Valentine Bros.
This is actually a double reference to Stiny and Steinway & Sons. It's not a particular reference to "superhero name" because Stiny was yelled at in more than one email (see Stiny's article). —BazookaJoe 23:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Though, now that I think about it, the only use of Li'l Stiny came from superhero names. A reword is possible. —BazookaJoe 00:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I assumed it was a ref to Thy Dungeonman 3, where Thy Dungeonman's mug was referred to as "Steiny". --DorianGray
That's a similar joke, but it derives from a completely different kind of "stein", so it's not really a reference here. — It's dot com 04:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

About the "Gun-haver" thing

Listen...everybody and their dog seems to think that "Gunhaver! You actually Have A GUN!" is a reference about Gunhaver's never really been seen with a gun...uh...HELLO? HIS FREAKIN NAME IS "Gun"-"Haver"...DUH! user.gif user.gifDevonM(talk·cont-ribs)

But he hasn't ever been SEEN with a gun, which is the irony. —BazookaJoe 00:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
You forgot the "duh", BJ. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 10:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Did you forget to take your I.Q. pills today? 82.44.76.119 16:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Fourth Wall?

"The Blue Laser Commander's comment about Reinforcements' camera pretends to break the Fourth Wall." While this may be partly true, the joke (to me) was the fact it explained that Gunhaver could see into the Thanksgiving dinner somehow. Many shows have villans/heroes that somehow bring up a location on a screen with no explanation as of how they are seeing it. 76.212.89.130 04:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right. In fact, TBC made mention of this joke several times on the DVD commentary for the other Cheat Commandos toons. — It's dot com 04:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Real-world reference?

The "make a milkshake from this food" easter-egg is a reference to the "will it blend" video blog, which has shown how to make disgusting milkshakes such as "cochicken" (http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=cochicken) and most recently the "thanksgiving dinner" (http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=thanksgiving).

  • Hah, I thought the exact same thing when I was watching it! --AndrewNeo 18:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • blent marbles. yum. that is seriously funny. csours 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Lime

It says the goof is fixed. I just watched it, and it's not fixed. I updated the wiki, and it got reverted, saying that it is fixed. I just watched it again after that, and it's not fixed. I don't want to edit it again, because it will just get reverted. --DumDe 17:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Clear your cache. It was fixed very quickly, if indeed it was ever there at all (I never saw it). --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 17:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I've cleared my cache. It stays the same. Are you sure it's fixed? --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 21:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
It's certainly fixed on my compy. --DorianGray
It is fixed. And I put a link to an unfixed version down in the external links. — It's dot com 22:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
It's not fixed. Someone tell me how it could be fixed when the latest version on the site and HRWiki's mirror version give the same hash. »Blendage t.c :: 10:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
It's fixed in both versions. Dot com accidentally mirrored the fixed toon. I'll take the link out until the correct one is mirrored. Dot com, if you haven't got the old version anymore, I've got it. Loafing 10:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
This frame is still there. This is the only version of the toon I've seen, so the goof seemed to still be present. »Blendage t.c :: 11:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
So it is... Frame 1703, for those who don't know where to look. After you being so insistent, I finally stepped through it frame by frame instead of just dragging the seekbar, and there it was. Identical to the version I downloaded within about 30 minutes of the first mention of the toon at the wiki. Embarrassing. How did we suddenly not see it anymore? Anyways, sorry guys! ;-) Loafing 11:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Is step-by-step possible with the Greasemonkey script? I had to take pot luck with Pause for the above screenshot. »Blendage t.c :: 12:30, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
The vaguely arrow-looking buttons next to the seek bar ("|<" and ">|") step through frame by frame. --phlip TC 13:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Is it possible that TBC just changed the Flash file so that it just skips that frame on an ordinary play-through? Because when watching the toon from beginning to end, I do not see that frame, but when I go frame by frame or rewind to that scene and watch it alone, I do see that frame. Trey56 15:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
No, I just watched it without touching the seekbar, and it's still there. Loafing 16:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Loafing, I have it on frame 1703 in FireFox. In the version on the site, Crackotage's arm is still raised. I also looked at Dot com's yesterday, and Crackotage lowered his arm. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 18:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
PS. And I don't see it when just watching the toon straight either. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 18:34, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Just cleared my cache and checked again, and the arm definitely lowers. Crazy thought: Maybe TBC thought that Crackotage's arm should have lowered and changed the toon to make this the case? »Blendage t.c :: 18:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Jay, of course I had cleared my cache when I went through all those steps last night. And now I've cleared my cache again (and waited for about a minute until the toon was downloaded again), and the goof is still there. It's possible that we use a different version of the seekbar, giving us different frame numbers. Have stepped through it to see if the bug occurs in a different frame in the vincinity of 1703? Loafing 19:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes - frame 1704 is of the Blue Laser Commander. I've also checked this in two different browsers (one of which does not have the seek bar.) And, as I said, I tested Dot com's version, where the arm DOES lower. This Goof is fixed. That's all I can see. Look, to get by Blendage's theory, I'll clear MY OWN cache and tell you what happens. UPDATE: Exactly what I expected. Nothing happened. Still fixed. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 19:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Teh weird! Loafing 22:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
First of all, it's Tom's file, not mine. All I did was post the link. Second, I loaded both the official H*R version and the mirror on this computer (which hasn't been online since last weekend) and cued them both to frame 1703 in separate tabs. The H*R version has the arm supporting the lime; in the mirror version, the lime is floating. — It's dot com 00:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's now miraculously fixed for me as well. Even though I did clear my cache Xty times before and the bug was still there. Maybe I should get some third-party "cache-ex" or something :-/ Loafing 00:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I think Flash might maintain its own memory cache... sometimes you have to clear the cache and then restart the browser for stuff to update. --phlip TC 04:48, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if it could be being cached somewhere upstream of any given user's local machine, like at the ISP; that would explain how computers that had never loaded it could still see an old version. I decompiled the H*R version and the mirror version. Besides being different file sizes with different numbers of shapes, the difference between 1702 and 1703 in the mirror is three shapes (the mouth, the arm, and the candle flame), but in the H*R version it's just two (the mouth and the candle flame). I've loaded it in at least three browsers and have gotten the same result every time; I'm therefore re-updating the page to fixed. — It's dot com 05:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow, this has gone pretty far. Anyway, I'm still seeing the arm descend in frame 1703 even after clearing cache and everything. How long does it take between re-caching of their servers? Maybe they have multiple servers and didn't update all of them. —NFITC1talk 03:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Bringing this discussion back to the left side of the page, I've checked it on Firefox, IE and Netscape and all the 1703rd frames come up with the fixed version. I rechecked it and got the same. The only frames where the lime floats are 1680-1684 (when he throws it up). --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 21:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

If anyone really wants to find out what's going on here, then a few people should compare the SWFs they receive at the binary level. Me, I've had enough. ;) »Blendage t.c :: 23:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

X-Men reference

blue laser commander calling Gunhaver Charles reminded me of the X Men series, ei, Professor X's name is Charles Xavier, and Magneto calls him that instead of Professor X. But im not sure how to say that succinctly for a fun fact. csours 22:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I can sum it up in one word for you: coincidence. — It's dot com 22:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
um, let me lay it out for you: bad guy calls good guy by his first name. does anyone know of any other good guy named Charles, besides Charles Xavier that would be called by his first name by a bad guy? csours 22:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I get the connection. Maybe a DVD commentary will prove you right someday. But for now, we can't put a fun fact up based on that kind of conjecture. There's just not enough to go on to justify the speculation. — It's dot com 22:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
meh. but its MY conjecture. csours 18:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Crackotage Goof on IE

On IE, the scene cuts right as Crackotage moves his arm the second time, so it looks more like a cut before the lime falls. Retromaniac 21:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean, on IE? Are yu saying they're delivering different content to IE users than to Firefox or Opera users? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 01:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
As part of a clearly pointless effort to get to the bottom of this, I found the "lime goof" occurs in both IE and Firefox. I have absolutely no idea what causes some people to get a different frame 1703. It's like a curse!
(edit) After seeing the latest version of the page, have we decided that that's what happened? »Blendage t.c :: 00:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Green Helmets

I believe the word that the person who put the reference in is looking for is "Cannon Fodder". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon_fodder --Zonis 10:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference?

In the Easter Egg with Reynold's brother, it has the "Next Gen" Gamepad. Could this be a reference to the Next Generation video game console battle between the PS3,The Nintendo Wii, and the XBOX 360? User:Catman87 20:21, 25 November 2006

Yes, that's already mentioned. --DorianGray

'm srry User:Catman87 20:30, 25 November 2006

enlighten me please

I have been troubled by the use of the word "kindergoth" in the article since the term isn't used in the toon and I can't find it in wikipedia. My question is this: how widespread is this term? I saw something about a character from Southpark but that is it. If kindergoth is a real term, please provide a link that defines it, or else we need to replace it with a more meaningful term. I R F 03:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that either. The term is now linked to something gives it some context, though the pedia article it cites is uncited. I'm further troubled by the statement of parody. (I admit I am not familiar with "emo", but I am quite familiar with punk music, and I don't see any intent to satarize that music). BryanCTC 09:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Oxy Clean/Oxi

Note that the Reynold's Brother package says "Oxy Clean!" I believe this is a reference to Oxi, a brand name for an acne removal cream from around 2000. I could only find a disambiguation page for it on Wikipedia, but it makes perfect sense, given Reynold's Brother's clear need of some kind of facial cleanser...ick. (Does this sound like product placement? I can't help but feel that it does, but the company's out of business, I believe, so it can't really hurt.) --Dragoon5464 (forgot my password again) 4.244.213.23 08:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Almost definitely, but it was spelt Oxy. »Blendage t.c :: 22:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
OXy Clean is an actual product. Why say it refers to something else?גשמלדרברגן 21:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Because Oxy Clean is a stain removal product, as opposed to an acne treatment product like Oxi. --DorianGray

A first time for everything!

This toon has a lot of firsts, doesn't it? Das654 08:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but considering that it's only the sixth installment, it's not very noticeable.  Loafing 09:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What? Never mind, I get it now. -Brightstar Shiner 22:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

On that note, I do not understand why my fun fact relating to this toon being the first appearance of the cheat commandos in a holiday toon was removed (unanimously, no less!) The only argument given was that "It's notable, but not in the article." All I am asking for is a good explanation. -The Big Eye

A good "first" fact is one when something happens that contradicts a long-established pattern, or where something extraordinary happens for the first time. This doesn't meet either of those criteria. First of all, as mentioned above, there really aren't that many episodes, so there isn't much of an established pattern for this toon to contradict. Second, the fact that this is a holiday toon is not notable because it's really not out of the ordinary for these guys. The Cheat Commandos/Blue Laser have been shown going to the supermarket, cooking hamburgers, ordering pizza, watching videos, going to school, cleaning the grout in the bathroom—in other words, doing the things that most people do. It's only natural, then, that they would celebrate Thanksgiving. (I think it would be more notable if there were a full-length toon on the website featuring the main Commandos characters and Blue Laser actually fighting a real battle.) — It's dot com 17:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
And that wasn't the only arguement, by the way. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 17:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it wasn't an argument at all, but rather a comment. The only argument was that it wasn't notable at all. — It's dot com 17:47, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Point taken. Still, I think that you're taking this a little too seriously. -The Big Eye P.S. Whether an argument or a comment, it still doesn't make sense; where should it be noted, if not in the article?
Nowhere, like I said. Hope that helps. :) Also, to sign your name on talk pages, just type four tildes, like this: ~~~~, and the system will automatically put your name and a timestamp, like this: It's dot com 18:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Another Orphan? Or a Coincidence?

In the Short Toon "No Hands on Deck!" Coach Z imitates an orphan in an attempt to be in Homestar's hypothetical musical. Although the orphan in this toon is a reference to "Oliver Twist," is it not possible that there is a connection?

It's not impossible... after all, they are wearing the same hat. -The Big Eye

Nah, I don't think so. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 21:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Say WHAT?!

In the toon, ripburger Fightgar says he's thankful for "sayin' right, right, right, right", but after looking through his filmography I can't see that he ever did. Are we just supposed to take his word at that or am I missing some reference? —NFITC1talk 03:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean Fightgar? I always thought he was saying "Say it right right right", and that he'd mispronounced ambrosia salad in some way. Shwoo 03:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, you're right. FIX'D! —NFITC1talk 05:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Fightgar is thankful for saying right right right right right. I can think of one time he said that. Shopping For Danger: after Gunhaver says, "you better break yourself!" —BazookaJoe 03:52, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I just watched Shopping For Danger, and I didn't hear him say it at all. I just heard him laughing after Gunhaver said that line.
I kinda hear it. It does sound like him saying "right, right, right, right, right..." Still, I don't think that is the only reference. —NFITC1talk 05:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I hear "right right..." in SFD. — It's dot com 17:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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