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::I personally think '''MATT''' and '''MIKE''' are easier to read in commentaries and whatnot than '''MATT CHAPMAN''' and '''MIKE CHAPMAN''' every time. My two cents. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::I personally think '''MATT''' and '''MIKE''' are easier to read in commentaries and whatnot than '''MATT CHAPMAN''' and '''MIKE CHAPMAN''' every time. My two cents. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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:::Just for comparison's sake, note that we always spell out the entire name in toon transcripts, e.g. '''HOMESTAR RUNNER''' and not just '''HOMESTAR'''.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:55, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

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Does each article really need a date? What about those with an unknown date? Also, if anyone knows of an interview not listed here, along with a webpage it's located at, feel free to add it! ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I think we should keep the dates. Also, every interview from Sightings needs to be added here. →FireBird
Interviews yes, but remember that this page is ONLY for conversations with The Brothers Chaps. If they don't have a part in it, it's just a sighting. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Contents

Name Of Page

Hmm... I didn't realize, there's already a catagory for 'Interviews and Public Appearances'. Whatever the name for this page, I feel it should be the same for the catagory too. So should we move this page to 'Interviews and Public Appearances'? I'm starting to like that name a bit more... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I realized this also and was about to add it here. I think it should be "Interviews and Public Appearances". →FireBird

script

So, are we allowed to just... copy the transcript and paste it in (w/ formatting)? EDSMILDE

I could be wrong, but I don't see why not, as long as the source is External Link'D at the bottom. But BE SURE TO PROOFREAD IT FIRST, to ensure to 'block out' any profanity that may be there. We wouldn't want the Wiki to be tainted or profained... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 05:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I did that for an interview, but I didn't know what to do about censoring, so I just used asterisks. EDSMILDE

Oh. Seems as though the general opinions down on the next conversation says no censoring. I don't really care all too much, it's up to everybody else. I just didn't want to start out my sysop-hood by adding profanity to the Wiki. But if it's good enough for Tom, it's good enough for me! Thunderbird 22:54, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Transcribing Interviews

I'm not sure it's such a good idea to just put transcriptions of all those interviews done for websites here. Isn't that stealing content? Aurora the Homestar Coder 04:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Alright, I've tentatively moved all the 'Links' Interviews here, haven't sorted them yet though, to which were origionally Radio, Website, ect. But anyways, they're there, from what I can tell the 'Inkhole' one is down, (hence the reason to get them doubled up here). So basically, we just copy and paste the dialouge onto the new pages for them, censor some words, add a few Fun Facts, tidbits of info revealed by the Interview, ect. I'll try and help with this if I ever get time off. And so once this is all up and running, we can delete those from the 'Links' page, and use it to somehow clean up the 'Sightings' page somewhat. How does everbody feel about this? Any comments/concerns/questions? I'd love to hear from you. Heck, I don't even know if I'm doing this right... (Coder, I'm not sure either, but we'd already done it with the 'Pulse Interview', ect. Plus doesn't it fall under the same catagory of Mirroring a toon? We have those. Does anybody with Legal expertice have an answer for us?) ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:28, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It's not exactly the same territory as mirroring a toon. I think, by now, it's safe to assume that the Bros. Chaps are aware of mirroring of H*R content and they haven't had a problem with it yet that I've heard of. Other websites are untested. Some of these websites might want to keep the interviews as their own, exclusive content. For instance, a site that has ads would want you to visit their actual page rather than read the content here. Of course, we could contact the websites, or put them up anyway and take them down if someone complains. Aurora the Homestar Coder 05:22, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Here's you're legal advice (but note that I'm Canadian so things might vary in the states): You'll have to checkthe Terms of Use and the Privacy Policy, and any other Legal Notices on the site. 1.If anywhere on the site does it say that a exclusive content is their property and cannot be copied, than y must link to the actual site. 2.If it also says that they do not want anyone linking to their site (I've seen it happen), than you're out of luck. However, if the information is not exclusive, but every directly involved party has restriction 1 than you must link to one of their sites. If they all contain both restrictions 1&2, youare out of luck. But, if one of the parties DO NOT state restriction 1, than you may copy/mirror their content under fair use, as long as you are not profiting spicificly from that content. Also, if all the links pointing to the content you wish to mirror has be removed for a period of time (I believe it is 2 years but I may be wrong), than I believe you may be legally allowed to mirror the content no matter what the policies state. BUT I may be wrong on that, you'll have to research that yours to be sure. -- Posted by: -erson Talk 12:33, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm happy with that, as long as the admins don't mind possibly dealing with some hassle (I'm just a sysop). We need Tom's blessing... Thunderbird 05:36, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Check for terms of use first. If they use a Creative Commons license or some other kind of share-alike or copyleft license, they we should be okay.
I'm pretty sure that even if a copyright isn't explicitly stated, the interviews and other content are property of the creator. Therefore, the works are protected by copyright pursuant to U.S. and international copyright laws. It would be legal, in my estimation, to download a copy for one's personal use, but I think publishing a copy on another website does not fall into "personal use". I think it is necessary that we send an email to their webmaster and/or the author asking for permission. (Just make sure you tell everyone on the talk page if send one, so they don't get half a dozen emails.)
However, for the time being, I believe we can rely on the fair use doctrine of United States copyright law [1] wherein as long as we take into consideration
  1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
  2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
  3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
  4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
for our purposes (such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research), is not an infringement of copyright.
Anyway, read the whole fair use article and tell me what you think. Oh, and this FAQ might help as well. -- Tom 13:15, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
In other words, unless the site explicitly says that you can copy their content, you shouldn't.
Also, this is in response to something Thunderbird said up above (under "script"): I'm not in support of censoring interviews. I know we're hypervigilant on the forum when it comes to profanity, but I'd rather have the Wiki be accurate than kid-friendly. I'm open to others' opinions, here. — InterruptorJones 15:30, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I agree, I'm not in support for censoring interviews. I think that the profanity warning followed by the uncensored interview was a fine way to do things. Aurora the Homestar Coder 16:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't think they should be censored either. The only reason I did so was to ensure we had a rough community consensus before doing including them. -- Tom 19:16, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Wait - does that mean we'll have to un-fix the spelling/grammar errors, too? EDSMILDE
Fix spelling, don't fix grammar. If we are talking about an interview, then we would want to accurately record what people said. This is done by spelling words correctly, but it would still need to be word for word what they said. -- Tom 01:49, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I guess I didn't mean grammar. I just saw someone said "grammar'd" in the edits. 'Cause the website didn't do much punctuation. EDSMILDE
If we are going to use swear words, which isn't that bad, but could be almost crossing the line for a family friendly site, we could make, say if the interview was called "TBC Interview, 20X6", a censored page at "TBC Interview, 20X6 (censored)", which would have a notice at the top of page saying there is an uncensored version or something. Then on "TBC Interview, 20X6 (uncensored)", we would have a notice saying something, in bold and large text: "WARNING: This page contains coarse language. To see a censored version, go to TBC Interview, 20X6 (censored)". So basically two pages, a censored and uncensored version. Oh, and we should always link to the censored version from other pages (not the uncensored one), so the only link to the uncensored version is from the censored page's notice at the top, so the uncensored version isn't easy to stumble across. RAINERtalk 09:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think Rainer here has a good idea. This is a family website, and what if some children want to read the interviews? -- Joshua 11:41, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Copyrighted Interviews

Has anybody actually e-mailed any of the sites, asking for permission? Or should I just go down through the list, and e-mail everyone asking? I think just one person doing them all at the same time with a template e-mail would be a good idea. (Also feel free to give ideas for the email. If we all work together, we'll be able to come up with the best asking-permission email ever). Thunderbird 08:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Once (if) you get permission, or even if you don't, if you open a dialouge, try and follow it with getting as accurate a date for the interview as possible. It'd help out. Thunderbird 09:07, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
I sent one to the people at l33t yesterday. So far they haven't emailed me back yet. EDSMILDE
See my instructions above: "Just make sure you tell everyone on the talk page if you send one, so they don't get half a dozen emails." You can see one I sent for the Club Aquatica one on the respective talk page, though that one was a little different since I was asking for the files. -- Tom 04:05, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Darn. Their mailboxes were full. I'll have to try again. There's still one more interview that is copyrighted that no one's sent an email to yet. EDSMILDE 21:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Okay, they said I could. :) EDSMILDE 03:37, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Ed, which interview? Please include copies of all of your emials on the discussion page for the article. -- Tom 15:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

On the interviews where we are denied permission to paste a transcript, like for example this one, how about we give a brief overview and list some of the things they talked about, both to round out the article and to spur an interest in clicking the external link. — It's dot com 05:52, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Actually, since the last two I've asked BOTH said no, that did occur to me. In fact, I had already decided that once I finished this section (I have the tasks itemised on my userpage) I was gonna add an extra section to all the interviews pages, perhaps called 'Highlights' or something, and breifly point out the insights that we get from the interview, an overview of the timeperiod, ect. Glad to see we're on the same page. This section has been in dis-repair too long. I'm on a crusade to finish it, hopefully within a week or two. Transcribing NYU and Wired News Interview are the biggest tasks left. Thunderbird 07:37, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Inkhole/Run Devil Run

What's with the Inkhole/Run Devil Run links? Is there some way to view these interviews/contact management that anyone knows about? Thunderbird 23:32, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I guess the whole rundevilrun site is down, and I can't find any search engine caches or anything. EDSMILDE

Standards

We need to follow the Standards when putting interviews, just like a normal transcript. →FireBird

I know I know, I'm working on it. If anyone wants to format the interviews that have the okay, go for it. Mainly I'm just going through them all, cutting the red tape, and once I've got all the answers from the legal departments, then I'll format, fun fact them, ect. All the bells and whistles to get them all standardized. Thunderbird 20:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Wired Date

Excerpt from email sent to Thunderbird by somebody associated from Wired News Radio:

...As for the interview date, it was two years ago, so I don't remember. But
the publish date as shown in the story on Wired.com is 6/23/2003, so the
interview itself must have been within a few days before that.

Good luck,
Kari

Thunderbird 20:10, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

As a very new reader and hopeful user, I found this link confirming that the interview is dated June 23, 2003. Although I didn't feel comfortable starting the Wired interview information page yet, I will be happy to email the author and work this page. --S Gleason 21:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Censored Templates

I've created two new templates. For the uncensored page, put {{uncensored|censoredversion=NAME OF CENSORED VERSION PAGE}} at the top, and it will add:

Offensive content Warning: Language that may be considered offensive by some readers follows.
To view a censored version of this page, see [[{{{1}}}]].


For the censored page, put {{censored|uncensoredversion=NAME OF UNCENSORED VERSION PAGE}} at the top:

Censored content This version of the article has been censored. To view the uncensored version, see [[{{{1}}}]].


What do ya think? Have a look at l33t Interview to see it in action. «Rob» 04:05, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I like 'em. You can put them up if you want, or I'll do them once I'm finished with the general pages. I'm still working on getting all the pages up and running, cut the red tape and all, and mainly figuring out how to get the 'red' interviews, the ones where the links don't work. Once those are done I'll tidy the rest of this up, get 'em standardized and whatnot. But any ideas on the broken links? Thunderbird 08:03, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
You mean the red links in the template? That's because a page named "NAME OF CENSORED VERSION PAGE" doesn't exist. «Rob» 06:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
No, don't worry, I'm not that inept. I meant the interviews that don't currently have a page, such as the Run Devil Run interview, the Brunswick interview, ones like that. Once those are all found, asked for, and subsequently added or linked from within the page, then I'll start worrying about fixing them all nice and standardized. But you were welcome to add them, looks good! Thunderbird 16:46, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Pulse - Early 2004 (Video Missing)

I remember watching that. It was there that they introduced their workroom painted as Strong Bad's house (Making of Email 100 was not the first appearance). They showed Puppet Homestar and Puppet Doreauxgard (so far, his only appearance) sitting on their puppet stands. They also played basketball with the interviewer (I believe the same place as seen in Some Puppet Stuff), and Matt taunted... or tried to aid... (I remember something about "keep it loose") either Mike or the interviewer while they were shooting free throws with Strong Bad's voice.BazookaJoe 04:11, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

MATT CHAPMAN: {Strong Bad voice} You need to loosen out more. {pause} You're too stiff.
See Pulse Interview - 1 Aug 2003 for that scene. I'm not sure about the others. -- Tom 04:25, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I think I got mixed up with the basketball part. Scratch that. I wonder if anyone else can remember anything? It would be a luxury. —BazookaJoe 04:28, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
My searches revealed the following:
  1. Television Sightings#Pulse
  2. Weclome
  3. NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005#In the Lobby
  4. When G4TV linked to the Wiki (see also Television Sightings#The Screen Savers
  5. Pulse video (from the Aug 1, 2003 interview
  6. Screensavers video (from the [[Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005
  7. And several G4TV pages that link to homestarrunner.com or talk about how cool Homestar Runner is.
They appeared on the show twice, Matt himself said it. Some of the other evidence here supports it. We just need to find the video somehow or something. -- Tom 05:46, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Finishing Up The Page

I recently went over all known interviews again, the ones I couldn't get ahold of before I reasked and everything, hopefully this time around they'll all answer, and we can get this section finished. In any case, I made up stub pages for all the copyrighted interviews. If anybody wants to get to work on the only remaining interview, go ahead. If not, it's at least on my to-do list. Thunderbird 06:14, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Okay, last remaining interview is transcribed. Now we need standardization, and transcription of NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005. We need the censored pages finished, I think there's one or two that need the treatment. And we need some kind of transcript standard. Do we write MATT CHAPMAN everytime, or just the first time, and leave it at MATT for the rest? I think a Highlights or Brief Summary and Random Facts section at the bottom of all the pages would be a nice touch, kind of an expanded Fun Facts. We also need standards for the opening paragraph, I think who conducted the interview, when, and the main things they talked about should work fine. I already added pictures to all the pages, asked permission for all the interviews, and added them to H*R.com updates. Anything else that I'm missing in order to finish these pages up? Thunderbird 23:42, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I personally think MATT and MIKE are easier to read in commentaries and whatnot than MATT CHAPMAN and MIKE CHAPMAN every time. My two cents. — It's dot com 05:45, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Just for comparison's sake, note that we always spell out the entire name in toon transcripts, e.g. HOMESTAR RUNNER and not just HOMESTAR. -- Tom 16:55, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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