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::::::This is definitely worthy of having a new name. I suggest Homestar Runner (website). This doesn't have the.com that annoys me and it also shows a difference between this and the character. Any complaints? ☺ — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::This is definitely worthy of having a new name. I suggest Homestar Runner (website). This doesn't have the.com that annoys me and it also shows a difference between this and the character. Any complaints? ☺ — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::(website) has certain advantages over (Flash cartoon), but it also has the same problem: Homestar Runner is more than just a website now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::(website) has certain advantages over (Flash cartoon), but it also has the same problem: Homestar Runner is more than just a website now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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My vote is for [[homestarrunner.com]] as the title for this page.  This would have the happy advantage of removing the ambiguity between the character and the Flash cartoon that currently exists when you just see a link that says [[Homestar Runner]].  This would lead to fewer grammatical gymnastics that we currently have to deal with when figuring out how to reword a sentence like the following formulaic beginning of an article: "[[Homestar Runner]] and the rest of the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] characters are often seen..." {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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My vote is for [[homestarrunner.com]] as the title for this page.  This would have the happy advantage of removing the ambiguity between the character and the Flash cartoon that currently exists when you just see a link that says [[Homestar Runner]].  This would lead to fewer grammatical gymnastics that we currently have to deal with when figuring out how to reword a sentence like the following formulaic beginning of an article: "[[Homestar Runner]] and the rest of the [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] characters are often seen..." {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:I like your line of thinking, except that it's perfectly idiomatic to say "the Homestar Runner characters", but I hardly ever say (or type) "the homestarrunner.com characters". This kind of thing is pretty common, occurring any time a character has the same name as the show: Seinfeld, Frasier, etc. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:I like your line of thinking, except that it's perfectly idiomatic to say "the Homestar Runner characters", but I hardly ever say (or type) "the homestarrunner.com characters". This kind of thing is pretty common, occurring any time a character has the same name as the show: Seinfeld, Frasier, etc. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree that it works to say "the Homestar Runner characters"; I just think it sounds ill when one wants to talk about Homestar Runner the character in the same sentence. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I agree that it works to say "the Homestar Runner characters"; I just think it sounds ill when one wants to talk about Homestar Runner the character in the same sentence. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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====Homestar Runner (body of work)====
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Accurate description. It's a little long, but it's really not too bad. This is my current favorite. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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Accurate description. It's a little long, but it's really not too bad. <s>This is my current favorite.</s> &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:While definitely accurate, it seems very awkward to me. As you said, "a little long". - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:While definitely accurate, it seems very awkward to me. As you said, "a little long". - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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::This title sounds accurate and professional to me. I like it. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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====Homestar Runner (universe)====
====Homestar Runner (universe)====
This was one of the first ideas I had. At first I thought it was good because we have a lot of piped links for <nowiki>[[Homestar Runner universe]]</nowiki> that point to this article. After thinking about it, however, (universe) describes the fictional realm where the characters exist and has an ethereal quality about it, but this article deals not only with their universe but also the reality that is the production of the website, DVDs, etc. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This was one of the first ideas I had. At first I thought it was good because we have a lot of piped links for <nowiki>[[Homestar Runner universe]]</nowiki> that point to this article. After thinking about it, however, (universe) describes the fictional realm where the characters exist and has an ethereal quality about it, but this article deals not only with their universe but also the reality that is the production of the website, DVDs, etc. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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:A quick side issue: We should probably link references to the "Homestar Runner universe" to <s>[[Homestar Runner (body of work)#Cartoons|this section of the article]]</s> [[Homestar Runner universe]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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:A quick side issue: We should probably link references to the "Homestar Runner universe" to [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)#Cartoons|this section of the article]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::Well, every universe have been created at some point. We could compare the Atlanta Olympics to the big bang (or any other theory of your choice) and the first book to the forming of stars (somehow literally). I don't find talking about the creation of the universe and the effords of expanding it to contradict with descriptions of the universe itself. While I'm still on the fence about the name, I'm leaning to ''Homestar Runner (universe)''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::Well, every universe have been created at some point. We could compare the Atlanta Olympics to the big bang (or any other theory of your choice) and the first book to the forming of stars (somehow literally). I don't find talking about the creation of the universe and the effords of expanding it to contradict with descriptions of the universe itself. While I'm still on the fence about the name, I'm leaning to ''Homestar Runner (universe)''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoa. Profound. But the way we ''usually'' use "HR univers" around here is to refer to the representation of a fictional reality and its continuity or lack thereof. And although this article talks some about the cartoons in that way, its significance is not so much what it has to say about the "HR universe" (we have the whole rest of the wiki to do that), but HR's significance in ''our'' universe. (Ditto for "world".) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Whoa. Profound. But the way we ''usually'' use "HR univers" around here is to refer to the representation of a fictional reality and its continuity or lack thereof. And although this article talks some about the cartoons in that way, its significance is not so much what it has to say about the "HR universe" (we have the whole rest of the wiki to do that), but HR's significance in ''our'' universe. (Ditto for "world".) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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::::::::::I agree that it's not very consistent. I like the lowercase because it's what I see when I look up at the URL while I'm watching a toon. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I agree that it's not very consistent. I like the lowercase because it's what I see when I look up at the URL while I'm watching a toon. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::So I guess, should this choice win, it'll fall to the voters once again... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::So I guess, should this choice win, it'll fall to the voters once again... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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I vote "homestarrunner.com," or "Homestar Runner (series)" or "Homestar Runner (cartoon)." How "Flash cartoon" ever became the chosen name I will never know nor understand; it's drawn out and unnecessary (of course it's a ''Flash'' cartoon, why not just "cartoon"?). And of course, I'd probably jump off my house's roof if the article were renamed "Homestar Runner (universe)." {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
 
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I feel like this captures the gist of what Homestar Runner is, but it's a little long.  (also, I'm not sure if medium or media is more appropriate.) Just brainstorming... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I feel like this captures the gist of what Homestar Runner is, but it's a little long.  (also, I'm not sure if medium or media is more appropriate.) Just brainstorming... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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Thunderbird suggested this up near the beginning of the section, and reading up on [[wikipedia:media franchise|media franchise]]s on the Wikipedia, it sounds accurate (like "corpus" or "body of work"), sounds better than "body of work", and yet also sounds more accessible than "corpus". -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 01:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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:But it's not really a franchise. A franchise is when I give you rights to use my name to sell Qermaq Cakes or the like, or to operate a branch of my Qermway sales program. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:36, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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::Hmm, what happened to my interwiki link... Oh well, fixed. Anyway, while I was also unable to find a dictionary definition of franchise that used it in this manner, it seems to be in common usage. The only clear definition I can find is [[wikipedia:media franchise]], but a google search for [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22game+franchise%22&btnG=Search "game franchise"] or [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22movie+franchise%22&btnG=Search "movie franchise"] returns some decent results that use the term in this manner, though they don't define it. I imagine that the usage is technically incorrect, but a common usage nonetheless, born out of necessity. What do you call the thing that you're franchising? To use your example, yes, the dictionary definition of franchise would be the right to sell your Qermaq Cakes, or other Qermaq products, but what do we call the products collectively? Right or wrong, people do use the term franchise both for the product, and for the right to sell that product. For another example, compare the differece between "The McDonald's franchise" and "a McDonald's franchise". The first refers to all McDonald's, where as the second refers to a specific building that makes and sells McDonald's products under the brand name. Hmm. Or, for a shorter example, McDonald's is a fast food franchise. So I'm saying that "Homestar Runner (franchise)" makes at least as much sense as "McDonald's (franchise)", "Star Wars (franchise)", or anything else listed on [[wikipedia:media franchise]] -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&amp;CS]] 21:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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:::Off topic: They should be called Qermaq Qackes :) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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====Homestar Runner (that thing on the computer that your little brother won't stop watching)====
 
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Sounds like a good idea to me! I know ''my'' little brother won't stop watching it! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
 
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Just "Homestar Runner". Simple as that. It sounds more natural to say (erm, type), "The newest [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] cartoon is..." than "The newest [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|homestarrunner.com]] cartoon..." Plus, it's the way [[Wikipedia:Homestar Runner|Wikipedia]] does it. I'm not saying we should mindlessly follow whatever Wikipedia does, but to me, it seems they've hit the nail right on the head.
 
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Yes, there would be problems with users typing in "Homestar Runner" and expecting to see the character, but that's what disambiguation is for, right? Anyways, it just seems downright weird to have this article, the article about the Homestar Runner cartoon/website/whatever-it-is, the wiki's  very reason for existence, to have parentheses after it in order to differentiate it from the [[Homestar Runner|character]]. It's just weird is all.
 
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If not this, then I'll have to with "homestarrunner.com" instead. Anything but parentheses. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 
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:Plain "Homestar Runner" is what we call the character, which is how it should be: There are nearly ''2&frac12; times'' as many links to the character as to this page; therefore, if any page with the title "Homestar Runner" should be afforded the plain status, it's the character page. As for this page, what's so bad about parentheses? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 
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We can make "Homestar Runner" a disambiguation page. Like:
 
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Just as an example. -{{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}} 15:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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:(A) There's no reason to force piped links on ourselves when the current system is working fine. (B) This has already been discussed a long time ago at [[Talk:Homestar_Runner#Fixing_links]]. (C) This discussion has pretty much come to a conclusion, and the page has been moved; see below. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 
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Does anyone else notice how these sorts of discussions usually disintegrate without anything ever getting decided?  Me too. :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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:It's okay. In cases like these, when a consensus to change can't be reached, it just means that enough people can live with the status quo to not really worry about it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 
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::But it looks like only two users prefer "Flash cartoon"... it's not a very popular thing to be stuck with. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 
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:::Well, then maybe we need to throw some new life into this discussion. I'll work on that in a bit. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 
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=== body of work (revisited) ===
 
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Of the choices above, only "body of work" and "homestarrunner.com" seem to really fit at all. Over the past several months, I have been working the phrase "body of work" into comments and articles, in an effort to try it out. Here are some examples (not all of which are mine):
 
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*Aside from its slightly older style, one possible weakness is that by featuring only Homestar, it suggests that he is representative of the H*R [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006/Archive|body of work]] as a whole, which over time has grown to revolve around other characters equally or more (well, Strong Bad).
 
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*Calling him "Fhqwhgads Robot" as a name is speculation based on information that doesn't even fit in well with the entire [[Talk:Visor Robot|body of work]].
 
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*Part of the H*R [[Talk:Swears|body of work]], perhaps, but not part of the H*R universe.
 
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*Even if we have a moderately long page, I still think it would fit on [the project page here], first of all because it is direct information about the [[Talk:History of homestarrunner.com|body of work]] itself, and second because that page is severely lacking in content.
 
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*He is Mike Chapman's favorite character in the entire Homestar Runner [[The Homestar Runner|body of work]].
 
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*This is a featured article, which means it showcases an important part of the Homestar Runner [[Template:featuredarticle|body of work]] and/or highlights the fine work of this wiki.
 
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*Some of these 3-letter words appear elsewhere in the Homestar Runner [[boring (really)|body of work]].
 
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In some of the cases above, you could replace "body of work" with "homestarrunner.com" (tweaking the sentence to fit semantically), and it would have pretty much the same meaning, but not in all of them. You lose some nuance, however. I think we should only talk about "homestarrunner.com" when we mean the website and nothing more. You wouldn't correctly say that [[Rejected Characters#Preshy and Rafferdy|Preshy and Rafferdy]] are on h*r.com, because they're not. They're only on the DVD, but they're still within the Homestar Runner body of work. Furthermore, I think it's more natural to use the phrase "body of work" in a sentence (which is [[google:"body+of+work"|established in its own right]]) rather than the more stilted "homestarrunner.com". In short, I believe this page should be moved to [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]]. I also think that [[homestarrunner.com]] should describe technical aspects of the website itself, with a link to this page. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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:I'm all for it. It flows naturally in sentences (the phrase "Homestar Runner Flash cartoon" never does) and includes everything (not just the cartoons, not just the website, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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::I think it's the best way to go. Granted, I generally prefer the term "oeuvre" to "body of work", but "Homestar Runner (oeuvre)" just doesn't seem to work. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 06:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::I don't know if this is the one I liked in that discussion we had a long time ago, but it feels pretty good now. I'm for the move. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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::::'''Agree.''' {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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:::::Sounds good to me.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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::::::I agree. It always confused me as to why we link to Homestar Runner '''(Flash cartoon)''', when the context is the "Homestar Runner universe", or "homestarrunner.com". I think this fits over everything. Not perfectly, but very well. I concur with '''body of work'''. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 06:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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Okay, the changes have been implemented (and who said no big changes ever get made? Even if it does take 9 or 10 months). I would hold off on fixing most of the redirects until we can get a bot (or some other automatic method) working on the job. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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::This is now done. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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:Have TBC ever used the term? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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::They probably call it "the site" in everyday conversation. That wouldn't really do for our purposes. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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==Quotes?==
 
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Anyone think we need a quote or two in this article to makes it look more professional since this is, like, one of the flagship articles of HR wiki (I would hope)? [[User:HRfan222|HRfan222]]
 
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Uh, Hello?...it's been like two weeks...[[User:HRfan222|HRfan222]]
 
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:Uh, hello. Do ''you'' think there should be a quote? If so, what kind of quote should go on the page, and more specifically which one would you pick? Where would you put it? How would it be formatted? Would it be set apart or in the running text? How would it make the page look more professional, like? It seems pretty professional already is why I ask. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 
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::Actually yes.  I actually tried to put one on the page but it was deleted after about a day by someone...now i guess it wouldn't be something perfect but just something that would make it look even better than it already is.
 
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"I am Homestar...and this is a website!"
 
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- [[Homestar Runner]]
 
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::Now that's just an example...I'm sure there are a lot of others that would work more, so if anyone says it's fine then they could just add anything i guess!  [[User:HRfan222|HRfan222]]
 
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:::I think we used to put quotes on top of most articles... but now we don't. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 
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::::Any idea why? [[User:HRfan222|HRfan222]]
 
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== Consistency of usage of "universe" and "body of work" ==
 
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Now that we've made the transition from (Flash cartoon) to (body of work), it's a good time to be aware of usage in articles of "Homestar Runner universe" and "Homestar Runner body of work". The former should be used when referring to the spatial domain in which the characters live, and the latter should be used when referring to the actual collection of cartoons, etc. Also, when talking about the body of work, we should be consistent about how we link to it ([[HRWiki talk:Manual of Style#Body of work|see here]]). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 
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:Note: ''Any new discussion on this topic should be posted [[HRWiki talk:Manual of Style#Body of work|here]].''
 
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== Best line ever ==
 
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Can I just give kudos to whoever wrote the line "The comic parodies four archetypal high-school girls and their equally archetypal quest for attractiveness, popularity, and love, which is continually frustrated by their violent deaths in every episode."?  It just seems like a perfectly stereotypical group of girls until that horribly macabre phrase at the end.  I giggle every time I read it.  {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 02:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 
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:That particular line was written by several people. The part that you most enjoy was added courtesy of {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar_Runner_%28body_of_work%29&diff=prev&oldid=502547 an anonymous user}}. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:22, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Need of an update ==
 
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This page is in serious need of an update. Apart from being way to short for a topic this broad, it's most relevant info is dated to 2003. Info that should be added:
 
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*SBEmails reaching 200, and the Chapmans' decision to concentrate on other characters.
 
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*SBCG4AP!
 
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*Limozeen and it's live shows.
 
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*Collaboration with TMBG.
 
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*Maybe more info about the phenomena and the reach the body of work have had on the world, and the fans.
 
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Soon, I'll try to add some of this info myself, but in the meantime, This could be a great collaborative effort. This page is a featured article, and I think it should be expended upon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Real World section needs work ==
 
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For example, besides voice work, it doesn't say how the work is divided between the Brothers Chaps. —[[Special:Contributions/69.169.133.126|69.169.133.126]] 23:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC) (yeah, yeah, don't have an account.)
 
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== Monthly, not weekly ==
 
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since sbemails reached their big 200, the chapmans started doing them monthly. so i am going to change part of the artical, if it is alright. [[User:SteakStyles|SteakStyles]] 14:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I don't think that's the right way to put it. I've tweaked it some, although it probably could be reworked even more. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 
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::i think its okay for now. but it is somewhat confusing because its been monthes since theyve done a sbemail at all! [[User:SteakStyles|SteakStyles]] 01:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 
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::: They might beworking on another DVD collection box? (Sbemail collection 2?) Or a new season of SBCG4AP? (Game data says this is Season 1, meaning there is probably more eventually coming.) They also may be lump-picking new sbemails (IE: picking a mess of sbemails out, start toons for them, and finish them all, then release them weekly.) Many things could be e/affecting the updates.... Confucius or not, it's something you have to deal with. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 04:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 
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::::I think this is a discussion to take to the [[Forum:|forum]].  Anywho, don't worry guys, one of them had a kid, they'll be back and running soon enough! [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]]
 
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== hr ==
 
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to me homestar runner could be a pg rated thing --[[Image:coach g.png|20x20px]][[User:Marzifan|Marzifan]][[Image:newestbubs.png|20x20px]] 08:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 
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:Yeah, you're probably right there --[[Special:Contributions/90.204.249.155|90.204.249.155]] 14:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 
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== Age ==
 
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How old do you have to be to watch Homestar Runner? --[[Special:Contributions/90.204.249.155|90.204.249.155]] 14:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 
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:There is no "minimum age" for Homestar Runner. One of the missions from the Brothers Chaps was to make it as kid-friendly as possible, and it is. If you can handle slightly suggestive content as most, then you can watch Homestar Runner. You won't come across many mature things, but they're not very noticeable to younger audiences than adult audiences. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 15:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 

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