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== Endings ==
== Endings ==
Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? [[User:Mini-Trogdor]]
Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? [[User:Mini-Trogdor]]
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== Same middle name. ==
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Homestar has the same middle name as me, my name is Spincer Micheal Johnson.  [[User:Bassium!|Bassium!]]

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Location, location, location!

In Majora's Mask, there was a sidequest involving four deku scrubs in various locations. You needed to get the title deeds and trade with them. I can't remember but it is possible they used the phrase in all this. Makes sense considering the Tingle costume. --Bacon warrior 20:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

They didn't NFITC1
The phrase has not only been used in contexts that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Legend of Zelda, but the sidequest in question did not involve Tingle in any way (in spite of the fact that it was in Tingle's first game). --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 21:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

A couple of transcript points

Sounds to me more like Bubs says MAYBE you got a witch's brew goin'. Also, it sounds more like Marzipan says Homestar Michael Winner, but that's just silly :P Also also, does Coach Z's comment on mailmen make any sense to anybody?

The relevance of "baby" is described in Fun Facts. Coach Z's comment was an unexpected twist to the conversation he seemed to be having with Pom Pom - up until the word "mailmen" it sounded more like they were talking about women (IMHO). --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 09:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought he said "male men" the first time, but that doesn't really make much sense either. By the way, having listened to that clip quite a few times through halfdecent headphones, I still say Bubs says MAYBE, even if it is a reference...
Maybe Marzipan was talking 'bout This Micheal. It sounds like it to me.--68.239.117.11 12:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Somebody noted the following in an abortive Real-World Reference:
  • Michael Winner is a British movie director who directed the first Death Wish movie, among others. He celebrated his 70th birthday two days before this cartoon aired.
The use of "Michael" here as Homestar's nickname, to those familiar with the above director, might suggest a leap to "Winner," thus Homeschool Winner. In an even trickier twist, the words immediately preceding are "you win!" All this is pure conjecture, of course, and shouldn't be included in the article, but I find the possibility intriguing. —AbdiViklas 18:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Now that IS scary

Holy freaking cow. No wonder it was taking them such a long time. This is gonna be a nightmare (in a good way) to wiki, what with the Inside Ref.s and the Real World Ref.s and the like... —AbdiViklas 06:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Quick, find whoever did The House That Gave Sucky Treats's transcript and let them have a go here... --DorianGray
P.S. May I also not say that I am not, in any way, mean. --My real name is Sean
That was Krem. Yes, I actually bothered to go to the old wiki, look it up (which was really easy since the credit is given at the bottom of the page), and then checked that user name against the current user list here. 'Twas the same person. (Of course it helped that right there on his/her current user page it says: "I did about 2/3 of the transcript for The House that Gave Sucky Treats".) Wow, I can't believe I actually did that. Just goes to show you just how fried my brain is at 1:47 in the morning. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 07:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

my real name is sean too! doriangray-Jibney 22:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Homestar's transformations

I've figured out that what Homestar turns into at the very end depends on what "essence" you get from Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat. "Essence of Doo-Doo Meringue" results in Tofu Homestar, "Essence of Strong Mad's Finger Dipped in a Glass of Warm Water" (or however it went) gives you a Marzipan with really bad teeth and a weird voice, and "Essence of Gullibility" leads to classy French Homestar. Someone might want to double check this just to make sure, though -- I only went through it 4 times.

Yeah, that is a bit off. I got Essence of Strong Mad Prank and it resulted in Tofu Homestar. Azure Haights 06:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that's it. I went through once with each item, and got The Goblin, Tofu Homestar, and a cyclops Homestar. I bet a decompiler will help this one. Maybe. I dunno exactly what they do. --DorianGray
Essence of DooDoo got me the goblin, and SM prank got me One eye Homestar, so that theory is out. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 06:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
What the?? I got Tofu Homestar each of my 3 times. I guess this thing has more potential than I thought! (Maybe it has to do with how you combine the choices? I picked the same number each time—i.e. AAA, BBB, CCC, etc. —AbdiViklas 06:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
3^5=243 combinations. Let's divide and conquer!
If anyone knows how those online quizzes work, I bet it's like that. I've always wondered how they worked... Random answers match you to the perfect character. --DorianGray
Ghost(1), Herbs+Spices, DooDoo Merigne(1),1,3 = Marzipan Clone w/ bad teeth
Wait, guys, if we're really going to do this, let's make a table. And use numbers (1-3), as above. —AbdiViklas 07:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
All I know is that this sure sounds like something Jonathan Howe would be behind. Have fun figuring it out. -- Tom 07:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Right. This could be a complicated table... I'm-a try it on paper first. Y'know, list all the combinations: 11111, 11112, etc. You guys start the table. --DorianGray
It seems as though the result is dependent on the sum of the choices. A sum divisible by 5 results in tofu homestar, 12 (and presumably 7) results in french homestar, and 11 (and presumably 6) results in cyclops homestar. I have personally tested 2,2,2,2,3 (cyclops homestar), and used the information provided by other users for this conclusion.

I'm going to sleep have fun. --24.21.231.89 07:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

hehe, one more, I did 1,1,1,1,3 again (my 2nd time) and got French Homstar this time, I'm wondering if they are all random? something to check into. Night--24.21.231.89 07:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Tally up another French Homestar for 1,1,1,1,3. I was trying to go through all the transformations and got him with that combination. I hope there are a few super-secret combinations to try. Also, this may not be the place to say it, but I love this cartoon. I was worried TBC were making it at the last minute but regardless, they've done an excellent job. Top notch! Good prize! Great jorb! --Bobo the King 11:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The Table

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Um, do we need this list? It sure is taking up a lot of room. Has the mathematical threory been proven? If so, doesn't that render this list obsolete? — It's dot com 18:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Seriously! Someone who knows what's what please confirm, cause at the moment it's... pretendous. —AbdiViklas 19:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, User:Gus has transcribed the list by character to his talk page. I think it can be removed from here. --DorianGray

I think a better way is to arrange the effects by their supposed outcome based on the formula on tha main page, and see if that works. I've already done that on my talk page; if we want to copy it in here, by all means, do. Gus 19:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC) EDIT: Oh wow, DorianGray, you're fast. Gus 19:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but that table was just too long. I have removed it and replaced it with the section below. — It's dot com 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The Code

This is the code for the ending:

function showEnding () {
    var _local3 = 0
    for ( var _local2 = 0; _local2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS; _local2++){
        _local3 = (_local3) + answers[_local2]
        }
    _local3 = (_local3) % 5
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_local3) + 1)
    }

The program reads through an array of answers[] and adds them into a variable called _local3. It then divides that figure by 5 and takes the remainder. It adds 1 to the result and plays the frames that correspond to the following labels:

end1: tofu
end2: eyeball
end3: Frenchman
end4: grodelated Marzipan
end5: the Goblin

So the mathematical theory is correct. By the way, the code just says "end1", "end2", etc. The descriptions listed there are just what I called them. — It's dot com 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Transformations theory...

As someone who's done a little basic programming, I know one of the EASIEST ways TBC might have made this system work. Each option you select has a value attached to it, either 1, 2, or 3. When you select it, it gets added to a total value, at the end, your total value decides the transformation. This means that each set of choices probably has one 1-point option, one 2-point option, and one 3-point option. This is supported by the fact that some of the encounters seem to have a "best" choice, such as doing a dance for Bubs or getting the Ghost Water (outlined in the ingredients) from Coach Z. Chances are there's a special transformation if you get all the 3-point answers. Just a theory. Rocketlex 07:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Halloween Costumes

Someone put up the halloween costume list in the fun facts. I removed it, because that belongs in the halloween costumes article. -- DJ Teh Cheat

Also, i noticed that someone put costume defenitions in the outside references. do these belong here, or should we keep them on the halloween costumes page? -- The Same Guy as the Last Thing

Homestar Variations

Should we plan on making seperate stub articles for French Homestar, One eyeball Homestar, and Freaky Marzipan? or should we wait and see if they ever reappear? -- DJ Teh Cheat

Order of transformations

True! I wouldn't mind numbering them 0-4 myself. It just bothers me a little, listing 1 as the first one, knowing that programmatically, 0 is really first (in terms of ordering). Oh, the bane that is modular arithmetic. Yes, I am being pedantic. :) --Stux 08:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Whatever works. 1-5 is easier to read for the average person who doesn't care about calculating which ending they're gonna get. 0-4 works better with the Trivia fact. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 09:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I concur! (My eye's still twitching a little but I can live with that ;) )--Stux 09:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
1-5 is best, because that's what they're called in the code. As you can see from the function above, the program adds 1 to the result to get the ending scene. — It's dot com 20:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Bucket O' Chicken

I noticed the Bucket of chicken dealy, and do remember seeing it somewhere. However I am having a hard time finding it on the theme park page, much less any mention of Knf'nC, or chicken, or King of town and chicken, or any such combination. --Stux 09:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

That was a mistake on my part, and I already fixed it. Sorry for the trouble. (It was in monster truck, BTW.) --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 09:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
No problem! I found the related info and it's all looking G-O-O-O-..-O-O-..-O-D goood! Great job all! --Stux 09:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Are the Bros. Chaps getting racier with their toons? KnF'nC seems like a prety direct reference to 'F***in' and Homestar sing about 'getting lucky tonight' - what about the kids? -- Steve-o 11/1/05

Uh, I'd say it's more a pretty direct reference to the fact that 'n' can be used as a contraction for "and": "K and F and C", giving us the familiar letters in a non-registered-servicemark-infringing form. As for a reference to "getting lucky"... if kids understand what that means before they "should", that's on their parents. That's the whole point of a euphemism... it can be used in mixed company. Besides, who are we to say what "getting lucky" means in Homestar's head? All in all, I'd worry about where your mind is going and let TBC worry about theirs... Awkwardconversationalist 21:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Personally, I'd be more concerned about the "Essence of Putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep". - KieferSkunk 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Via the monster truck article:
The chicken bucket that says "KnF'nC" is a reference to Guns N' Roses, who used the acronym "GnF'nR" during the Use Your Illusion era. The latest incarnation of the band contains guitarist Buckethead, who wears a KFC bucket on his head like a hat.
We know this because it's mentioned directly in the DVD commentary. -- Tom 22:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Terlet Brush?

I think that "Terlet Brush" is a reference to A Folky Tale. H * R 7 0 0

how?--Coach B 12:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

When Coach Z says that Saddy Dumpington sounds kinda like a Terlet. H * R 7 0 0

"Terlet" is from the last Halloween toon. - Joshua 13:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Original list

How was the original list determined? I've looked at the bug and duck obscured list that homestar is carrying, and I have a hard time buying the supposed original items. the frist letter of what should be "Ghost" according to this list has a flat top.--sarducci

Consider the font used. It is "Ghost-Water". Which, by the way, is the only item on the original list that can actually be obtained (if we assume that the JP3 spoon isn't made of wood.) --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 17:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Also, if you get Ghost-Water in the actual 'toon, look at how it's written on the scorecard, which uses the exact same font. It's a flat-topped capital G. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 17:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I used a Flash decompiler when I transcribed the original list. — It's dot com 17:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Jellybeans

Reagan's predilection for jellybeans was not legendary. See the New York Times, January 15, 1981, "Halcyon Era for the Jellybean."

I think you're confusing definitions of "legendary." When one says: Reagan's prediliction for jellybeans was legendary, one means that it is "well known and worth telling stories about," not "mythical." Like one might say, "legendary" singer-songwriter Bob Dylan and not mean he's a yeti or something.

4th wall breaking?

Umm, when Homestar says "Oh, great. The secret guy" is he breaking the 4th wall? I belive we should add that somewhere. H * R 7 0 0

Hmm... perhaps you should check out Fourth Wall Breaks, where it has already been added. — It's dot com 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Opening scenario a reference?

Can any of the gamer-types tell me whether the opening "I'm lost in this haunted mansion and I need your help to find..." setup is a reference to a specific game? Seems like it ought to be. —AbdiViklas 18:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I can't think of any specific games, but this is a commonly used plot device in game genres involving puzzles, mazes and the like. The most recent game I can think of that employed this device is Pac Pix for the Nintendo DS, in which Pac-Man gets trapped as a drawing in a book, and he says he needs your help to free him. - KieferSkunk 20:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Additionally, I submit this is NOT a reference to Luigi's Mansion (GameCube), as Luigi wasn't trapped in the mansion and didn't specifically ask for the player's help. - KieferSkunk 20:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, that was the only thing that came to my mind in connection with haunted mansions, but even I was fairly sure it wasn't that, and my knowledge doesn't extend far beyond Tetris and the first few levels of SuperMarioWorld! —AbdiViklas 20:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the haunted mansion thing is basically a cliche... There are a million of 'em, I bet. Like The Haunted Mansion, a Disney movie-slash-game. Although it does sound vaguely familiar... Think old stuff. Like the Floppy Disk Container. --DorianGray
Actually, it just occurred to me that "I/We/They Need Your Help!" is a common theme in Wikipedia:Choose Your Own Adventure books, which are what this Toon is obviously based on. - KieferSkunk 21:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Walter

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was dying with laughter when I saw Pom Pom dressed as Walter Soebchek from The Big Lebowski. My friends and I love that movie and it has some of the best quotes I've heard. Anyway, just wanted to voice my pleasure. -JesseLangham

Tofu Homestar Update?

I just watched the toon for the first time earlier today, and the Tofu Homestar ending is different than what is listed in the transcript. In the version I saw, the top block of Tofu actually does fall off, and it lands in the cauldron with a splash. This cuases Homestar to transform to his usual look, and Marzipan says once again that Homestar is back to his usual self, this time in a disappointed-sounding tone. Homestar then proceeds to tell Marzipan that her costume makes her butt look big.

Yup; they updated the toon! and now the transcript's been updated too. —AbdiViklas 19:26, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Gossamer Goof

Um, sorry TBC, but Gossamer was not the bright orange color you depicted him as. Not even in his first appearance. He was red. Straight red. Even his cameos in the Looney Tunes movies he was red. -- TaranchulaVamp15 14:35, 1 November 2005 (CST)

Hey, you're right. If you want to add it under Goofs (or Remarks), that seems right to me. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
you do realize that TBC, probably don't read the wiki talk pages, right? I R F 20:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I think they knew that (Gossamer was red). I noticed that too but didn't make much of it for some reason (cue in willing suspension of disbelief). I can only guess that they made him orange as a Halloween Gag (or even to avoid copyright issues? -- ha! right. Though save that one difference he does look a lot like gossimer.) BTW where is there mention of this in the page again? Is it in the transcript, RWR? I couldn't find mention of this. --Stux 21:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Nevermind guys, I found where it's mentioned. --Stux 21:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

How Do They Know?

How do they (who ever they are) know what the origanal posion read?

  1. You can read it yourself if you pause the Flash file and look really close.
  2. It's dot com used a Flash decompiler on it; it exists in the Flash file without the bug and duckie drawings. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 21:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Plus, I have spooky Halloween powers. Seeeeee... Seeeeeeeeee... (that's the sound eyeballs make, in case it didn't come across in text). — It's dot com 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Throw a TV on 'im!

  • "Throw a TV on 'im!" is an oblique reference to virus, where Strong Bad says "Drop a train on 'em!"

I added this inside reference, and it was removed a bit later due to "questionable merit" (by someone who doesn't have a user page, I noticed). So I figured I'd mention it here and see if people agree on whether it should be included as a Fun Fact or not. - KieferSkunk 21:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

This is what STUFF is for, but I personally don't think it's a reference, if only because of the absence of the word "drop." --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 21:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Homsar's highlight

This fact has been added and deleted multiple times:

In the costume gallery, Homsar is available if you found him. However, he can still be highlighted even others are talking.

The last time with:

Homsar can be highlighted because he is a sprite overlaying the scene

But how does that make it not a goof? Obviously, TBC went out of their way to remove the ability to highlight all of the other characters, so Homsar's highlight does seem rather Goof-ish to me. Don't utter the words "Flash artifact"; this doesn't fit the description. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 21:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

My (partial) mistake; it's listed in Remarks. I still think it's a Goof. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 22:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree on the goofishness. - KieferSkunk 22:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
It has to do with how the Flash file is set up. Whenever you're able to highlight the characters, you're looking at a particular frame. When you click on one of them, it moves to a different spot in the file and plays the appropriate mini-scene. You can't click on the characters because there are no buttons in these frames. When the mini-scene is done, it goes back to the costumes frame. To insert Homsar into the scene, they just created a sprite with him in it and overlayed it at the end. The sprite is the same whether you're looking at the costumes frame or one of the mini-scenes, which is why it behaves the same way in both instances (just like Homestar's eyes blink even when the file is paused). If they really wanted to, they could have done any number of workarounds to this, but, being on a deadline, you can hardly fault them for doing it the easiest way. — It's dot com 22:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Regardless of the technical reason for it, the end result is that Homsar's "overlay" behaves differently than all of the rest of the characters, without a good visible reason to the casual user. That's why I think it should still be listed as a goof, even knowing the mechanism by which it occurs. - KieferSkunk 22:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
What? The technical reason is why it shouldn't be listed as a goof. Goofs are when TBC make an actual mistake. This is not a mistake; therefore, it is just a remark. If you really wanted to, you could list it as a glitch. — It's dot com 22:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Actually, glitches seems like a good place for it, so I moved it there. — It's dot com 23:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Marzipan's Eyes

Did anyone else notice that Marzipan's eyes, in the beginning, cause a bit of her facial outline to disappear when she blinks? You have to zoom in, and it's only the duration of her blinking, so you have to have a sharp eye. A possible goof?— Lapper (talk) 22:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Hot Biscuits

Sure it's a stretch, but it's possible. Could Homestar exclaiming "Hot biscuits!" (in Magic Words, Choice One)be a reference to the fake Hot Biscuits mod for Nintendogs? (Not for those with weak constitutions or people against puppy love)

Strange Looking Marzipan

Does anyone else consider the appearance of the Strange Looking Marzipan to be similar to that of Salad Fingers? Especially the teeth? This might just be me because I was recently exposed to the horrors of Salad Fingers ([1]) but I still think it is worthy of consideration for a real world reference. Colonel Burnsides 23:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I always just figured it a culmination of the "horrifying" PBTC Marzipan from mile and The Dame With Hard-To-Look-At Teeth. --DorianGray

Endings

Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? User:Mini-Trogdor

Same middle name.

Homestar has the same middle name as me, my name is Spincer Micheal Johnson. Bassium!

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