Editing Talk:Halloween Potion-ma-jig

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==Odd beeping noise==

Did anyone else notice kind of a high pitch squeaky noises at various parts inbetween the sections?

It's either just you, or your computer. {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 01:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Location, location, location! ==

In Majora's Mask, there was a sidequest involving four deku scrubs in various locations.  You needed to get the title deeds and trade with them.  I can't remember but it is possible they used the phrase in all this.  Makes sense considering the Tingle costume.  --[[User:Bacon warrior|Bacon warrior]] 20:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:They didn't [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

:: The phrase has not only been used in contexts that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Legend of Zelda, but the sidequest in question did not involve Tingle in any way (in spite of the fact that it was in Tingle's first game). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==A couple of transcript points==

Sounds to me more like Bubs says MAYBE you got a witch's brew goin'. Also, it sounds more like Marzipan says Homestar [[Wikipedia:Michael Winner|Michael Winner]], but that's just silly :P Also also, does Coach Z's comment on mailmen make any sense to anybody?

:The relevance of "baby" is described in Fun Facts. Coach Z's comment was an unexpected twist to the conversation he seemed to be having with Pom Pom - up until the word "mailmen" it sounded more like they were talking about women (IMHO). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:30, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

::I thought he said "male men" the first time, but that doesn't really make much sense either. By the way, having listened to that clip quite a few times through halfdecent headphones, I still say Bubs says MAYBE, even if it is a reference...

:::Maybe Marzipan was talking 'bout [[Homeschool Winner|This Micheal]]. It sounds like it to me.--[[User:68.239.117.11|68.239.117.11]] 12:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Somebody noted the following in an abortive Real-World Reference:
*[[Wikipedia:Michael_Winner|Michael Winner]] is a British movie director who directed the first [[Wikipedia:Death Wish|Death Wish]] movie, among others. He celebrated his 70th birthday two days before this cartoon aired.

::::The use of "Michael" here as Homestar's nickname, to those familiar with the above director, might suggest a leap to "Winner," thus Homeschool Winner. In an even trickier twist, the words immediately preceding are "you '''win'''!" All this is pure conjecture, of course, and shouldn't be included in the article, but I find the possibility intriguing. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Now that IS scary==
Holy freaking cow. No wonder it was taking them such a long time. This is gonna be a nightmare (in a good way) to wiki, what with the Inside Ref.s and the Real World Ref.s and the like... &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Quick, find whoever did [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]'s transcript and let them have a go here... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:P.S. May I also not say that I am not, in any way, mean. --[[User:DorianGray|My real name is Sean]]
::That was [[User:Krem|Krem]]. Yes, I actually bothered to go to the old wiki, look it up (which was really easy since the credit is given at the bottom of the page), and then checked that user name against the current user list here. 'Twas the same person. (Of course it helped that right there on his/her current user page it says: <i>"I did about 2/3 of the transcript for The House that Gave Sucky Treats"</i>.) Wow, I can't believe I actually did that. Just goes to show you just how fried my brain is at 1:47 in the morning. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

my real name is sean too! doriangray-[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 22:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm assuming none of us are mean. If we were, we'd be trolls. [[User:ACupOfCoffee|Also named Sean]]

How'd this discussion friggin' develop, anyway? [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|'Nother guy named Sean]]
:dunno. [[User:Bubsty|Some guy who's '''''not''''' named Sean]].
::I started it with a little remark about the nasty ant Homestar draws called Mean Sean. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Homestar's transformations ==
I've figured out that what Homestar turns into at the very end depends on what "essence" you get from Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat. "Essence of Doo-Doo Meringue" results in Tofu Homestar, "Essence of Strong Mad's Finger Dipped in a Glass of Warm Water" (or however it went) gives you a Marzipan with really bad teeth and a weird voice, and "Essence of Gullibility" leads to classy French Homestar. Someone might want to double check this just to make sure, though -- I only went through it 4 times.

:Yeah, that is a bit off.  I got Essence of Strong Mad Prank and it resulted in Tofu Homestar. [[User:Azure Haights|Azure Haights]] 06:51, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I don't think that's it. I went through once with each item, and got [[The Goblin]], Tofu Homestar, and a cyclops Homestar. I bet a decompiler will help this one. Maybe. I dunno exactly what they do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Essence of DooDoo got me the goblin, and SM prank got me One eye Homestar, so that theory is out. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 06:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::What the?? I got Tofu Homestar each of my 3 times. I guess this thing has more potential than I thought! (Maybe it has to do with how you combine the choices? I picked the same number each time&mdash;i.e. AAA, BBB, CCC, etc. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::: 3^5=243 combinations.  Let's divide and conquer!
::::If anyone knows how those online quizzes work, I bet it's like that. I've always wondered how they worked... Random answers match you to the perfect character. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Ghost(1), Herbs+Spices, DooDoo Merigne(1),1,3 = Marzipan Clone w/ bad teeth
::::::Wait, guys, if we're really going to do this, let's make a table. And use numbers (1-3), as above. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::All I know is that this sure sounds like something [[Jonathan Howe]] would be behind.  Have fun figuring it out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Right. This could be a complicated table... I'm-a try it on paper first. Y'know, list all the combinations: 11111, 11112, etc. You guys start the table. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::It seems as though the result is dependent on the sum of the choices.  A sum divisible by 5 results in tofu homestar, 12 (and presumably 7) results in french homestar, and 11 (and presumably 6) results in cyclops homestar.  I have personally tested 2,2,2,2,3 (cyclops homestar), and used the information provided by other users for this conclusion.
I'm going to sleep have fun. --[[User:24.21.231.89|24.21.231.89]] 07:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:hehe, one more, I did 1,1,1,1,3 again (my 2nd time) and got French Homstar this time, I'm wondering if they are all random? something to check into.  Night--[[User:24.21.231.89|24.21.231.89]] 07:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Tally up another French Homestar for 1,1,1,1,3.  I was trying to go through all the transformations and got him with that combination.  I hope there are a few super-secret combinations to try.  Also, this may not be the place to say it, but I love this cartoon.  I was worried TBC were making it at the last minute but regardless, they've done an excellent job.  Top notch!  Good prize!  Great jorb! --[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 11:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::2,1,[[Homsar]],1,3,3=[[Tofu Homestar]]--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 18:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
=== The Table ===

''{table removed}''

Um, do we need this list? It sure is taking up a lot of room. Has the mathematical threory been proven? If so, doesn't that render this list obsolete? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Seriously! Someone who knows what's what please confirm, cause at the moment it's... pretendous. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:27, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Well, [[User:Gus]] has transcribed the list by character to his talk page. I think it can be removed from here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I think a better way is to arrange the effects by their supposed outcome based on the formula on tha main page, and see if that works. I've already done that on my talk page; if we want to copy it in here, by all means, do. [[User:Gus|Gus]] 19:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC) EDIT: Oh wow, DorianGray, you're fast. [[User:Gus|Gus]] 19:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm sorry, but that table was just too long. I have removed it and replaced it with the section below. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

=== The Code ===
This is the code for the ending:
<pre>function showEnding () {
    var _local3 = 0
    for ( var _local2 = 0; _local2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS; _local2++){
        _local3 = (_local3) + answers[_local2]
        }
    _local3 = (_local3) % 5
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_local3) + 1)
    }</pre>

The program reads through an array of <code>answers[]</code> and adds them into a variable called <code>_local3</code>. It then divides that figure by 5 and takes the remainder. It adds 1 to the result and plays the frames that correspond to the following labels:
<pre>end1: tofu
end2: eyeball
end3: Frenchman
end4: grodelated Marzipan
end5: the Goblin</pre>
So the mathematical theory is correct. By the way, the code just says "end1", "end2", etc. The descriptions listed there are just what I called them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

For some reason I get something different:
<pre>function showEnding()
{
    var _l3 = 0;
    var _l2 = 0;
    while (_l2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS)
    {
        _l3 = _l3 + answers[_l2];
        ++_l2;
    } // end while
    _l3 = _l3 % 5;
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_l3 + 1));
} // End of the function</pre>
Using Sothink SWF Decompiler 2005b. Must be something in the ActionScript that was extracted.--[[User:68.215.67.181|68.215.67.181]] 00:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I only know a little about ActionScript, but my guess is that the difference lies in the way that the programs reverse-engineer (as well as interpret) the ActionScript, which is supposed to be a type of Machine-like language.  Less sophisticated programs may not be able to extract all of the original information and produce code that's closer to the original.  However both functions, in fact, produce exactly the same code! (''for'' loops are nothing more than glorified ''while'' loops) Hope that helps.  ''On another note:'' [[Talk:Halloween_Potion-ma-jig#Order_of_transformations|Tofu IS first!]] I was right! hehe Oh, wait, It's Dot com already pointed that out. Nevermind, just call me captain obvious.  Thanks, <s>'tis</s> Dot com! (How does that sound, too over the edge? Shall I stick to It's or just <s>plain old, vanilla old, flavored old,</s> Dot com . . . ?)--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Whoa, now hold on there... ''Dot com'' is not vanilla. It's dot com is my long name, the name I use to sign with. My official name. Dot com is my familiar name, the one I like to be addressed by in conversation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I stand corrected. It is not vanilla, for you are anything but. That is twue! I shall make note of that in future posts! Now I must get sleep.  My bed beckons me forth. Good night all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Transformations theory... ==

As someone who's done a little basic programming, I know one of the EASIEST ways TBC might have made this system work.  Each option you select has a value attached to it, either 1, 2, or 3.  When you select it, it gets added to a total value, at the end, your total value decides the transformation.  This means that each set of choices probably has one 1-point option, one 2-point option, and one 3-point option.  This is supported by the fact that some of the encounters seem to have a "best" choice, such as doing a dance for Bubs or getting the Ghost Water (outlined in the ingredients) from Coach Z.  Chances are there's a special transformation if you get all the 3-point answers.  Just a theory.  [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 07:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Halloween Costumes==
Someone put up the halloween costume list in the fun facts. I removed it, because that belongs in the halloween costumes article. -- [[user:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]]

Also, i noticed that someone put costume defenitions in the outside references. do these belong here, or should we keep them on the halloween costumes page? -- The Same Guy as the Last Thing

* I was just wondering, what was the toon where either Pom Pom or Strong Bad kept poking Homestar in the face with a needle and then it looked like he had a bad case of acne? I don't know if Homestar's Moocher costume is a reference to that or not but I'm dying to see that toon again. [[User:Colonel Burnsides|Colonel Burnsides]]
:I beleive you answered the question yourself! I searched for the toon, and it turns out it's the [[pom pom]] strong bad email! As for a moocher reference... I don't know.  Actually, I don't think so. Um, let me correct myself: I seriously doubt it. :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:09, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::And please note that it's already in Inside Refs. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

==Homestar Variations==
Should we plan on making seperate stub articles for French Homestar, One eyeball Homestar, and Freaky Marzipan? or should we wait and see if they ever reappear? -- [[user:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]]
:Prob just wait to see if they reappear -[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== Order of transformations  ==

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=187936&oldid=187935 True]! I wouldn't mind numbering them 0-4 myself.  It just bothers me a little, listing 1 as the first one, knowing that programmatically, 0 is really first (in terms of ordering).  Oh, the bane that is modular arithmetic.  Yes, I am being pedantic. :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: Whatever works. 1-5 is easier to read for the average person who doesn't care about calculating which ending they're gonna get. 0-4 works better with the Trivia fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I concur! (My eye's still twitching a little but I can live with that ;) )--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:06, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::1-5 is best, because that's what they're called in the code. As you can see from the function above, the program adds 1 to the result to get the ending scene. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Bucket O' Chicken ==

I noticed the Bucket of chicken dealy, and do remember seeing it somewhere.  However I am having a hard time finding it on the [[theme park]] page, much less any mention of Knf'nC, or chicken, or King of town and chicken, or any such combination. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: That was a mistake on my part, and I already fixed it. Sorry for the trouble. (It was in [[monster truck]], BTW.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:15, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::No problem! I found the related info and it's all looking G-O-O-O-..-O-O-..-O-D goood! Great job all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Are the Bros. Chaps getting racier with their toons?  KnF'nC seems like a prety direct reference to 'F***in' and Homestar sing about 'getting lucky tonight' - what about the kids? -- Steve-o 11/1/05
: Uh, I'd say it's more a pretty direct reference to the fact that 'n' can be used as a contraction for "and": "K and F and C", giving us the familiar letters in a non-registered-servicemark-infringing form. As for a reference to "getting lucky"... if kids understand what that means before they "should", that's on their parents. That's the whole point of a euphemism... it can be used in mixed company. Besides, who are we to say what "getting lucky" means in Homestar's head? All in all, I'd worry about where your mind is going and let TBC worry about theirs... [[User:Awkwardconversationalist|Awkwardconversationalist]] 21:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:: Personally, I'd be more concerned about the "Essence of Putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep". - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Via the [[monster truck]] article:
::<blockquote>The chicken bucket that says "KnF'nC" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Guns N' Roses|Guns N' Roses]], who used the acronym "GnF'nR" during the [[Wikipedia:Use Your Illusion I|Use Your Illusion]] era. The latest incarnation of the band contains guitarist [[Wikipedia:Buckethead|Buckethead]], who wears a [[Wikipedia:KFC|KFC]] bucket on his head like a hat.</blockquote>
:::We know this because it's mentioned directly in the DVD commentary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:::About that "Essence of putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep", I read somewhere that people do that to others during sleepovers to make them go to the bathroom while they're asleep. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember. --{{User:RJMT/sig}} 01:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:Strong Bad torturing Strong Sad is ok for kids, but everytime something in a h*r toon comes too close to a sexual innuendo some people freak out!-- [[User:Vl-tone|vl-tone]] 07:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== Terlet Brush? ==

I think that "Terlet Brush" is a reference to A Folky Tale. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

how?--[[User:Benol|Coach B]] 12:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

When Coach Z says that Saddy Dumpington sounds kinda like a Terlet. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:"Terlet" is from the last Halloween toon. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:11, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The word 'terlet' is just an 'accented' way of saying toilet. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

==Original list==
How was the original list determined?  I've looked at the bug and duck obscured list that homestar is carrying, and I have a hard time buying the supposed original items.  the frist letter of what should be "Ghost" according to this list has a flat top.--sarducci
: Consider the font used. It ''is'' "Ghost-Water". Which, by the way, is the only item on the original list that can actually be obtained (if we assume that the JP3 spoon isn't made of wood.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:41, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: Also, if you get Ghost-Water in the actual 'toon, look at how it's written on the scorecard, which uses the exact same font. It's a flat-topped capital G. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::I used a Flash decompiler when I transcribed the original list. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:44, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==Jellybeans==

Reagan's predilection for jellybeans was not legendary.  See the New York Times, January 15, 1981, [http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0B17FA3F5F0C768DDDA80894D9484D81 "Halcyon Era for the Jellybean."]

:I think you're confusing definitions of "legendary."  When one says:  Reagan's prediliction for jellybeans was legendary, one means that it is "well known and worth telling stories about," not "mythical."  Like one might say, "legendary" singer-songwriter Bob Dylan and not mean he's a yeti or something.

::Undeniable!  But the version I was responding to read "at least according to legend." [[User:Minivet|Minivet]] 02:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== 4th wall breaking? ==

Umm, when Homestar says "Oh, great. The secret guy" is he breaking the 4th wall? I belive we should add that somewhere. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:Hmm... perhaps you should check out [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], where it has already been added. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Opening scenario a reference? ==

Can any of the gamer-types tell me whether the opening "I'm lost in this haunted mansion and I need your help to find..." setup is a reference to a specific game? Seems like it ought to be. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:42, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I can't think of any specific games, but this is a commonly used plot device in game genres involving puzzles, mazes and the like.  The most recent game I can think of that employed this device is '''Pac Pix''' for the Nintendo DS, in which Pac-Man gets trapped as a drawing in a book, and he says he needs your help to free him. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Additionally, I submit this is NOT a reference to Luigi's Mansion (GameCube), as Luigi wasn't trapped in the mansion and didn't specifically ask for the player's help. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, that was the only thing that came to my mind in connection with haunted mansions, but even I was fairly sure it wasn't that, and my knowledge doesn't extend far beyond Tetris and the first few levels of SuperMarioWorld! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think the haunted mansion thing is basically a cliche... There are a million of 'em, I bet. Like ''The Haunted Mansion'', a Disney movie-slash-game. Although it does sound vaguely familiar... Think old stuff. Like the Floppy Disk Container. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Actually, it just occurred to me that "I/We/They Need Your Help!" is a common theme in [[Wikipedia:Choose Your Own Adventure]] books, which are what this Toon is obviously based on. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:by the way, the line from the start that says "I'm selling these fine leather jackets" is a quote from the video game "the curse of monkey island, and possibly other games in the Monkey Island Series. - [[User:rando|random]] 21:39, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
It is a reference, to FMV-based adventure games. I added that... but we should probably find a more family-friendly example of FMV adventure games than Phantasmagoria.

== Walter ==

I don't know about the rest of you, but I was dying with laughter when I saw Pom Pom dressed as Walter Soebchek from The Big Lebowski. My friends and I love that movie and it has some of the best quotes I've heard. Anyway, just wanted to voice my pleasure. -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]

:That's what happens, Langham.  That's what happens when you hack a wiki in the back door!

::LMAO!!!

== Tofu Homestar Update? ==

I just watched the toon for the first time earlier today, and the Tofu Homestar ending is different than what is listed in the transcript. In the version I saw, the top block of Tofu actually does fall off, and it lands in the cauldron with a splash. This cuases Homestar to transform to his usual look, and Marzipan says once again that Homestar is back to his usual self, this time in a disappointed-sounding tone. Homestar then proceeds to tell Marzipan that her costume makes her butt look big.
:Yup; they updated the toon! and now the transcript's been updated too. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:26, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Gossamer Goof ==

Um, sorry TBC, but Gossamer was not the bright orange color you depicted him as. Not even in his first appearance. He was red. Straight red. Even his cameos in the Looney Tunes movies he was red. -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 14:35, 1 November 2005 (CST)
:Hey, you're right. If you want to add it under Goofs (or Remarks), that seems right to me. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::you do realize that TBC, probably don't read the wiki talk pages, right? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think they knew that (Gossamer was red). I noticed that too but didn't make much of it for some reason (cue in willing suspension of disbelief).  I can only guess that they made him orange as a Halloween Gag (or even to avoid copyright issues? -- ha! right. Though save that one difference he does look a lot like gossimer.) BTW where is there mention of this in the page again? Is it in the transcript, RWR?  I couldn't find mention of this. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Nevermind guys, I found where it's [[Halloween_Costumes#Halloween_Potion-ma-jig_.282005.29|mentioned]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:05, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== How Do They Know? ==
How do they (who ever they are) know what the origanal posion read?
# You can read it yourself if you pause the Flash file and look really close.
# It's dot com used a Flash decompiler on it; it exists in the Flash file without the bug and duckie drawings. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:23, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
Plus, I have spooky Halloween powers. ''Seeeeee... Seeeeeeeeee...'' (that's the sound eyeballs make, in case it didn't come across in text). &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:35, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Throw a TV on 'im! ==

*"Throw a TV on 'im!" is an oblique reference to [[virus]], where Strong Bad says "Drop a train on 'em!"

I added this inside reference, and it was removed a bit later due to "questionable merit" (by someone who doesn't have a user page, I noticed).  So I figured I'd mention it here and see if people agree on whether it should be included as a Fun Fact or not. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: This is what [[STUFF]] is for, but I personally don't think it's a reference, if only because of the absence of the word "drop." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:49, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Homsar's highlight ==

This fact has been added and deleted multiple times:

 In the costume gallery, Homsar is available if you found him. However, he can still be highlighted even others are talking.

The last time with:

 Homsar can be highlighted because he is a sprite overlaying the scene

But how does that make it not a goof? Obviously, TBC went out of their way to remove the ability to highlight all of the other characters, so Homsar's highlight does seem rather Goof-ish to me. Don't utter the words "Flash artifact"; this doesn't fit the description. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:59, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
: My (partial) mistake; it's listed in Remarks. I still think it's a Goof. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:: I agree on the goofishness. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::: It has to do with how the Flash file is set up. Whenever you're able to highlight the characters, you're looking at a particular frame. When you click on one of them, it moves to a different spot in the file and plays the appropriate mini-scene. You can't click on the characters because there are no buttons in these frames. When the mini-scene is done, it goes back to the costumes frame. To insert Homsar into the scene, they just created a sprite with him in it and overlayed it at the end. The sprite is the same whether you're looking at the costumes frame or one of the mini-scenes, which is why it behaves the same way in both instances (just like Homestar's eyes blink even when the file is paused). If they ''really'' wanted to, they could have done any number of workarounds to this, but, being on a deadline, you can hardly fault them for doing it the easiest way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::: Regardless of the technical reason for it, the end result is that Homsar's "overlay" behaves differently than all of the rest of the characters, without a good visible reason to the casual user.  That's why I think it should still be listed as a goof, even knowing the mechanism by which it occurs. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:40, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::: What? The technical reason is why it ''shouldn't'' be listed as a goof. Goofs are when TBC make an actual ''mistake''. This is not a mistake; therefore, it is just a remark. If you really wanted to, you could list it as a glitch. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Actually, glitches seems like a good place for it, so I moved it there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::: My two and one half cents: A glitch implies that Flash is behaving in a way that it should not. Flash is behaving exactly as it should, though. Wot. --[[User:65.184.26.220|65.184.26.220]] 19:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::: You have a good point, 65. But a Goof implies that TBC are behaving in ways that ''they'' should not. TBC put that scene together exactly as they should, so it's not a Goof. Goofs should be reserved for bona fide mistakes. If Glitches is out, then that just leaves Remarks. But on the other hand, I think Glitches is a good fit for this fact, because putting it there highlights pecularities in the Flash file without stigmatizing the result. I think that's the direction the Glitches category is ultimately taking. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi guys.  When the page was being built I was actually the first one to move this comment from a goof to a remark.  The way I saw it at the time was that, even if they had time limitations to deal with, and given that putting homesar in there the right way would be much work, I thought and still think that it was purposely left the way it was made because it was "homesar-ish".  The odd behavior fits perfectly with... well... everything else he does.  One way or another I'm pretty sure that TBC knew of the flash limitations and that it would behave the way it does now. In the end they probably decided this would be a good way to present homesar's easter egg.  Following that line of reasoning I think it belongs as a remark. That's just my opinion. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Marzipan's Eyes ==

Did anyone else notice that Marzipan's eyes, in the beginning, cause a bit of her facial outline to disappear when she blinks? You have to zoom in, and it's only the duration of her blinking, so you have to have a sharp eye. A possible goof?&mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki, where parts of outlines disappearing for fractions of a second are noticed. All sarcasm aside, it ''is'' interesting. Add it on. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::LOL! That is so true (the noticing part)! That cracked me up! Anyway, for the record, I have not YET checked to verify the comment. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Strange Looking Marzipan ==

Does anyone else consider the appearance of the Strange Looking Marzipan to be similar to that of Salad Fingers? Especially the teeth? This might just be me because I was recently exposed to the horrors of Salad Fingers ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salad_fingers]) but I still think it is worthy of consideration for a real world reference. [[User:Colonel Burnsides|Colonel Burnsides]] 23:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:I always just figured it a culmination of the "horrifying" PBTC Marzipan from [[mile]] and [[modeling|The Dame With Hard-To-Look-At Teeth]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:Oh gods... I hate you, Burnsides.  I followed that link and watched the Salad Fingers toons and I can't remember the last time I was as thoroughly creeped out.  Reading the theories about it on the wikipedia afterwards didn't help either.  I think I'll have that stuff stuck in my head for months... -Krendal

:Salad Fingers gives me the Jibblies.--Jhonka

== Endings ==
Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? [[User:Mini-Trogdor|Mini-Trogdor]]
:Try downloading the [http://www.eltima.com/download/flashdecompiler/ Flash Decompiler], then saving the flash file from the bottom of the article. You can move backwards and forwards all over the place! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::A seek bar is also good for quick access. I don't have a good link, but I know there's one around here somewhere. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::There's [http://www.globfx.com/downloads/swfplayer/ Swiff Player] or [http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=82303&package_id=84358&release_id=367150 Media Player Classic]. They're both free. [[User:gt|gt]]

== Same middle name. ==

Homestar has the same middle name as me, my name is Spincer Micheal Johnson.  [[User:Bassium!|Bassium!]]
:Neat. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Yea, I guess that's a better chance than your first or last names. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::It must be a reference to you! ;)
:Do you spell it Mich''ea''l or Mich''ae''l as I do? (It's my first name, but I go by my middle) --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
::Micheal, man. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

== Possible Ref ==

This may be a ref when the KOT is digging for something he baried when he was 9 and now can't find it may be a ref to the film Stand By Me when one of the kids I can't remember witch one.  Buried a jar of pennies when he's 9 and then can't find it when he's older.
:Can anyone verify this? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I saw the movie, but I think that is a stretch.  Besides, I think if we put any more references, this article might pop. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Different endings ==

Can I get one combolation of choices that produces each of the endings? Thanks ahead of time. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:How about End 1 (1, 3, 2, 3, 1); End 2 (3, 1, 3, 2, 2); End 3 (1, 3, 1, 1, 1); End 4 (3, 1, 3, 3, 3); and End 5 (2, 2, 2, 1, 2). Those will give you a different ending each time, as well as show each different stop along the way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks a ton, dot com! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
*thanx alot!
*This is a combination calculated to minimize repeats:
:*Choices: Z-1, King-1, Bad-2, Bubs-3, Sad-3; Ending#1: Tofu
:*Choices: Z-2, King-3, Bad-3, Bubs-2, Sad-1; Ending#2: Cyclops
:*Choices: Z-1, King-2, Bad-1, Bubs-1, Sad-2; Ending#3: French
:*Choices: Z-3, King-3, Bad-2, Bubs-2, Sad-3; Ending#4: Freak Marzi
:*Choices: Z-2, King-1, Bad-1, Bubs-3, Sad-2; Ending#5: Goblin
:[[User:Oogabooga|Oogabooga]] 01:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== Chuck Taylor Reference? ==

In my opinion, Homestar said "The woods are <i>chuck</i> full of.." or something to that effect.  This may refer to his shoes, Converse All-Stars, or Chuck Taylors.  What do you think?
:I think he simply mispronounced the word "chock" - the term "chock full" is a common phrase. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Althought Strong Bad did mention this once before when he said "Chuck Taylor wearing low self-esteemers." {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Found it: [[best thing]] (the Limozeen cartoon episode).  Given that, I think this reference is possible, but it may be a bit of a stretch, considering (a) Homestar wasn't talking about his shoes, and (b) "chock full" is still a common phrase that is entirely appropriate for this context. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Date of release ==

While I do agree that it was released a little too late, shouldn't we (and don't we always) go by the official date on the [[Main Pages]]?  I remember [[A Folky Tale]] was released shortly after midnight, but TBC called it a Monday update, and so did we. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:This wasn't just a little after midnight, this was 1:30 a.m. Atlanta time. They admitted they were late with their message: "It's still Halloween in certain timezones." Sorry, guys, but you released it in November. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah but like TBC said, it was still October in some time zones ''including'' the Mountain Time Zone which is Utah's time zone and thus the time zone where the server for this wiki resides, is it not!? ;) So by their own admission they've confessed to releasing it for those time zones, and I am sure that they set their watches so that they'd have the "correct" time of 11:30 MST. :D --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:Ummm... no. They just tried to release it at least in time to let a few time zones appreciate it. Those would be:<br>
#Midway island; Samoa.
#Hawaii.
#Alaska.
#The West Coast, most notably British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, California, and a bit of Mexico. To a lesser extent, I think the Yukon's also in there.
#And Mountain time. Which has some Alberta, Utah, Arizona, Probably some Northwest Territories, ect. 
Besides that, Halloween was over. That would also explain their 12 hour update to the toon, they released it before it was done, then fixed a few minor things they wanted. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:Whenever there's been a question regarding release time, I can always remember us going with Atlanta time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::LOL, now *that* is a detailed time zone list if i saw any! You have done well in combatting my intellect! (However, I did reference a movie, and the source has not been revealed!)  To be sure, I hope no one has taken me ''too'' seriously with this post and it's accompanying comment-- I do not want to come across as arrogant.  I'm just playing a little devil's advocate. (And yes, it does make more sense to go by Atlanta time) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC) wil someone tell me the release of 'potion ma-jig?, in GMT time, after all this is the the toon page for it, at least -- [[http://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/User:Sinderboard_and_plaster cardboard]] - near going loco 13:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

==The Cheat Noises==

I missed the discussion (if there ever was any), did we ever come to a decision about guessing what The Cheat says, and noting it in the transcript. Because The Cheat is obviously (to me) saying "I'm the best!", a phrase Toad often said, such as in Mario Kart. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think we did decide that we don't put words in The Cheat's mouth. However, I also think we can make an exception this time, since what The Cheat is saying is a direct reference to Mario Kart 64 and similar. If he wasn't in costume, I'd say no, but... It's okay if he is. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yeah, we should just forget about trying to translate the "the cheat" noises there. To hard. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::The previous discussion was at [[HRWiki_talk:Standards#Standardize_.22The_Cheat_Noises.22|HRWiki:Standards]]. The best thing I had to say there regarding the situation here was this: "I do believe that there does exist that tiny fraction where it actually sounds like he's saying something. But these cases are quite rare." So, if it really can be determined (from context or whatever) that he's saying "I'm the best", then it should at least be mentioned somewhere. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::''Edit Conflict:'' I agree. There are several instances where I've heard noises that are very close to the words that would fit perfectly in context.  I beleive some of those words might even be in the SB email easter egg where we have his noises translated by a notable expert in the field of The Cheat-speak. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I thought all the "Learn to speak The Cheat" entries were already in the transcripts. That should be checked on. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Oh! They could be... I wasn't saying they weren't.  I was just pointing out that what was heard was very close to matching its translation. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I for one am highly in favor of adding a Fun Fact, that "I'm The Best" is a common Toad phrase. However, in order to do so, it would likely first need to be added to the transcript. Surprisingly enough, it was rather hard to find proof that he actually says that line on the Mario Kart series. But for any who might question this, I found a [http://www.guitartabs.cc/forum/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=2&cmd=showentry&eid=132 couple] [http://www.smbhq.com/mkstory.htm of] [http://forums.nintendo.com/nintendo/board/message?board.id=legacy&message.id=125023&page=5 links] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/n64/review/R26114.html that] [http://forums.hyperactive.com.au/archive/index.php/t-2686.html say] [http://www.google.com/search?q=Mario+Kart+Toad+%22I%27m+The+Best%22&hl=en&hs=WOo&lr=&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10&sa=N otherwise]. Are there any objections to me adding it to the transcript? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:None whatsoever from me. As a Nintendo fan--and supporter of Toad's Mario Kart 64 voice (as opposed to Super Mario Sunshine and later games)--I think this is very noteable. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:I also don't like the way the transcript explains "Poomp" as being the effect made when Toad crashes. It has very little do to with Toad crashing, but it always happens when I kart lands after going off a high cliff. I think it should be reworded to reflect that. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
::Yeah, someone get that outta there. It's already explained in the fun facts. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Done. I thought it was worded like a fun fact, which doesn't belong in the transcripts. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== An early version ==

The version I watched when the toon first came out is different than the version that exists now. Basically, I have a version open in a browser window from last night, and it doesn't have The Cheat's Easter egg OR Homestar returning to himself after turning into tofu. I'm trying to find it in my temp folders. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 04:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah there's been some mention of it in the discussions. I remember not seeing a The Cheat easter egg - I didn't even know there was one until you mentioned it! I have read about the Tofu thing somewhere in this talk page (and it's prolly in the FF too).  Good luck finding the SWF for your old version! That'll be cool if it's still there! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''EDIT CONFLICT:''' Yea, I think it was already noted. Although a mirror or two under the links would be a nice touch. (New "The End" screen, Cheat "I'm The Best" easter egg, and an extended Tofu Homestar ending). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Whoa! Two edit conflicts with the same person in the same night! <insert Twilight Zone music here> --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I still have it open in the browser window but I can't get it out. It's not in my cache any more and saving the page downloads the new one. Anyone have any ideas? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 05:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm... Leave it open if you can for now, and Talk to the Tom/Com duo. One of them'll probably be able to help you. I'd use the IRC Chat channel in the external links, you'll get better tech-support that way. There's gotta be a mirror or two floating around the net by now though, right?!?!?! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::I think the only way you'd be able to get it in that situation is if you can find it in your cache.  Amanda, what browser are you using?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Firefox. I already searched my disk and memory cache and found the new version. It's really strange. I guess downloading the new version overrode the old version, but the old version is ''still in my browser window''. So where's it being stored on my machine? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::It appears that Flash has some sort of automatic cache, but it's set not to cache things from homestarrunner.com... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::See if "about:cache" in your location bar reveals anything interesting.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]  --  [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Uh... yeah. Quoth the me: "I already searched my disk and memory cache." I searched all the files on my computer, too. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::UPDATE: Lost the window. I accidentally opened a file that opened in the same window as the toon. Sorry guys. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:30, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I just noticed this conversation as I was just about to ask if anyone wanted the earliest version of this toon (that I saved about an hour after it came out.) I can send to Tom via email if he would like to add it to the wiki's mirror. In the mean time, I will add an external link to it hosted on my forum. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 03:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

:And if that doesn't work for any reason I gots it too. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:04, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

::Sweet stuff! I was gonna suggest earlier something like a "memory dump program" for Homestar Coder to use, but by then it was too late. Please let us know when a copy is posted in the mirror! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Um, yeah, nevermind... I *just* noticed that there's a link to it from the page.  It should have occurred to me to check there first! Thanks guys! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== The Mysterious Man of Mischief ==

We have all known for a long time that Strong Bad mercilessly torment Strong Sad.  But I got to thinking after the Halloween Toon mention ''the essence of putting Strong Mad's hand in warm water'' that how many time has SB teased SM?  I remember the potato salad in the drawer but are there other examples out there.

Also does anyone think that it is worth it to list the times Strong Bad has tormented other people like glueing SS's hands to his face and locking him in the bath tub at Decemberween? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:We already have [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].  I don't think we need a page like that for everybody.  SB is just not a very nice person, and I don't think we need proof by cataloging every instance. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:16, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::But don't forget when Strong 
Bad put that pasta in Strong Mad's drawers in [[old comics]]. [[User:Neox|Neox. Duh.]]

==Strong Sad n' Say==

Wouldn't Strong Sad saying "each day you die a little more" be a slight reference to Spin n' Say? I found the way he said it in this toon quite similar to the way he said it in the game. [[User:Teh_Frossty_One|Teh_Frossty_One]]
:Already noted in the article. I do think Marzipan's "Yay! Now I'm not the only girl!" is a reference to it, though. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::As for Marzi, I thought I remember saying something similar in an interview also. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:45, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::BTW, what happened to the Spin n' Say? Last time I checked it, it was something where you pushed buttons. I don't like that one. Neox again, signing out...

== Stinko-Speak ==

Isn't Strong Bad saying "That's a worthy cause if ever there was one!" a reference to [[Stinkoman]] "That's the name of a talented fighter if ever there was one."[[20X6 vs. 1936]]? [[User:20X6_GEM]]
:That's what I though at first, but it could easily be a coincidence. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::That's a worthy fun fact if ever there was one! How can it be a coincidence? If it wasn't intentional, he would have said, "That's a worthy cause if '''there ever''' was one," not the other way around. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Actually, it's usually said the other way around. I think it counts as "common phrase". {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Runnin gag? ==

When Homestar's singing that song, would that be another refrence to "Eggs"? [[User:Cakeman|Cakeman]]

== Annd scene ==

Isn't Marzipan saying "ennd scene" instead of "annd scene"? I think that makes more sense...

:"And scene" is what you say at the end of a brief performance, for example in a theater workshop. A brief search turned up many results, five of which I have listed below:
:*[http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/9151/719.htm ''Friends'' episode 719]
::JOEY: '''And scene!''' Huh? Wasn’t that fun? We did a little improv there.
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/arresteddevelopment/season1/arrestdev-102.htm ''Arrested Development'' episode 102]
::TOBIAS: (screaming, singing "Amazing Grace") This isn’t a fever! (continues singing) (on the floor) Can’t even see where the knob is! (dramatic sigh) '''And scene.''' (takes a bow)
:*[http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3125643&st=30 Forum regarding ''Arrested Development'']
::I loved during the Sugarhill theme how Bateman did a sort of '''"and scene"''' movement with his hand.
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/willandgrace/season4/willandgrace-425.htm ''Will and Grace'' episode 425]
::(Broadway auditions)
::JACK: [QUIETLY TO HIMSELF] '''And scene.'''
:*[http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/willandgrace/season5/willandgrace-519.htm ''Will and Grace'' episode 519]
::(From his acting class)
::JACK: '''And scene.''' Nice work.
:&mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar gets an item ==

If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think that the whole thing with the music and the screen that pops up when homestar acquires an item is a reference to something, but I can't recall exactly what it is from. Could it be the Legend of Zelda?--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 05:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I think it's a reference to any number of video games, including the Zelda series. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::That particular jingle is a TBC original. I agree that it's likely modeled after video games that chime when you get a "key item", but there are too many of those games to list. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

== Shorty ==

I'm trying to figure out why Bubs calls Homestar "Shorty" (right before giving him the JP3 collector's spoon).  I have two ideas: if "stick and move, stick and move" is a [[Wikipedia:Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!|Mike Tyson's Punch-Out]] reference, then it makes sense (Little Mac was extremely short).  The other possibility is that the actor who played Moocher in Breaking Away, Jackie Earle Haley, was also extremely short (you can see that [http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0355097/JackieEarleHaleytrophies.jpg here], although it's more noticeable while watching the movie.  I lean toward the first explanation.  Any thoughts?  {{User:Trey56/sig}} 10:57, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think it's being said in a hip-hop sense personally (figurative instead of literal) but that's probably just me. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 13:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

==TV ''is'' bad for you==

When The Cheat pushed the TV off the edge, the dent on top was towards the right. But when it landed next to Homestar, it was to the left. I know this is pretty minor, but I just wanted to bring it up. [[User:Teh_Frossty_One|Teh_Frossty_One]]

==...In warm water while he's asleep==

Anyone else think the essence of "putting Strong Mad's hand in warm water while he's asleep" is a reference to that prank where one put his victim's hand in cold water while said victim is asleep, causing the victim to urinate upon him/herself? Sure would explain Strong Mad calling it his secret shame. Should this go in the Real-World References? [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 20:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:You should have a look at the [[Halloween_Potion-ma-jig#Explanations|Explanations]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== Baldy no more? ==

Is that hair or a beret on the suave version of Homestar? -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 14:44, 7 Nov 2005 (CST)
:I'd say bad comb-over or toupee {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:36, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

==Buried Strong Sad==

Why was Strong Sad buried in the dirt? Is it a reference to Sickly Sam or Devo? --[[User:Hysterical Woman|Hysterical Woman]] 05:41, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure exactly, but for more insight in this topic, you might try going [[HRWiki:STUFF#Burying Our Troublesome Brothers|here]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Strong Bad mentioned that they were "burying their problems here in the woods". [[User:72.8.92.6|72.8.92.6]] 04:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yep, see a few topics down. We totally accepted the fact. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== THE END ==

I noticed that on the new version, sometimes if you get freaky Marzipan, it's possible that the "THE END" scene sometimes does not appear, and it goes straight tothe character screen. Anyone else encountered this? {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 01:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

==Comment==

Anybody but me think that Strong Bad looks rediculously wierd in his Jambi costume?  I just wanted to throw that out there.--[[Image:Homsar-in-motion.gif]][[Image:The-cheat-small.png]]<span style="color: #ff4500;">Homsarroks</span>[[Image:kookysig.gif]] 01:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:And this is where I'm supposed to say something about that being better on the forum. Sorry; we really ''don't'' follow that rule all the time, and often wind up in non-article-affecting talk... but you know. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Burying our troublesome brothers ===
{{stufffact|When Strong Bad said "burying our troubles", he was probably referring to half-buried Strong Sad.}}
{{stuffverdict|12:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|16:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)|accepted|26|12|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== Halloween is all up ons ===
{{stufffact|The muscles on Bubs' costume bear a strong resemblance to the markings made by Strong Bad's [[Ab-Abber 2000]], introduced in [[suntan]].}}
{{stuffverdict|15:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|19:13, 14 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined, 18&ndash;8. An original version was also overwhelmingly declined|19|1|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Change is good ===
{{stufffact|The pictures above Homestar's cabinet are changed for the holiday. They ordinarily show his changing appearance over the years.}}
{{stuffverdict|03:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)|19:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)|unanimously accepted as revised|14|0|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== The Great American Bubs Bash ===
{{stufffact|Homestar calling Bubs "Great American Bubs" is a reference to the old [[Wikipedia:World Championship Wrestling|World Championship Wrestling]] Pay-Per-View, ''The Great American Bash'', which has since been revived by [[Wikipedia:World Wrestling Entertainment|World Wrestling Entertainment]]'s "[[Wikipedia:WWE Friday Night SmackDown!|''SmackDown!'']]" brand. WCW was also based in Georgia, close to the Brothers Chaps' location.}}
{{stuffverdict|15:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)|18:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined|14|0|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== That's a rap ===
{{stufffact|Strong Sad's "fresh beats" is a reference to rampage, which also featured Strong Sad rapping.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|19:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|17|2|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== What I'm supposed to do with STUFF? ===
{{stufffact|Homestar's line to Homsar, "What I'm supposed to do...?" is similar to Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2, where he asks Strong bad how to proceed with his attempted prank call.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|19:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|17|3|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== If you like piña coladas ===
{{stufffact|The line "Do you even have half a brain?" as said by [[Strong Sad]] may be a vague reference to a line from the 1979 hit song "Escape" (a/k/a "The Pi&ntilde;a Colada Song") by [[Wikipedia:Rupert Holmes|Rupert Holmes]].}}
{{stuffverdict|05:30, 4 November 2005 (UTC)|02:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|14|1|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== Recurring themes ===
{{stufffact|Witches' Brew and The Goblin are both recurring themes in the Halloween toons.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|21:02, 3 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|19|2|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== The Coincidence of Zelda ===
{{stufffact|The manner in which The Poopsmith digs up the "Powdered Ground Ground" pouch is a reference to the digging minigame in The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. Additionally, the pouch itself is very similar to an item in the game, the bag of magic powder.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|20:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined|17|0|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

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=== Friends forever ===
{{stufffact|Homestar Runner's costume of Moocher from ''Breaking Away'' is a reference to him having the only relationship with a girl, as did Moocher.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|20:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|17|1|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Essence of Urban Legend ===
{{stufffact|Putting someone's hand in warm water while they sleep is a common prank believed to make the victim involuntarily urinate.}}
{{stuffverdict|02:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)|20:43, 3 November 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted|24|3|Halloween Potion-ma-jig}}

== What is that ==

thing strong sad has on he's head?  [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 09:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

: Strong Sad is wearing the 80's band [[Wikipedia:Devo|Devo's]] trademark hat.  He's dressed up as a Devo band member in this Toon. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Transparent Legs?!? ==
Is there a reason Bubs' legs are transparent? -[[User:Alice|Alice]]

== There are five endings to this toon… ==

The explanation expresses the formula as this: '''x % 5 + 1''' with a resultant range of 1-5, but then someone numbered the outcomes 0-4, what gives?
:The outcomes are numbered 1-5. It's the ''remainders'' that are 0-4, i.e., before you add that 1 to it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

::'''EDIT CONFLICT:''' Here's a bit more complicated answer. They're chosen due to the remainder after the equasion. Each choice you make adds a number to the total, eventually you'll end up with a number, like 13 or something. 13 % 5 would equal 2 with a remainder of 3. That means you'd get ending number 3. Depending on if you have a remainder of 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4, you'll get one of 5 endings, appropriately named 0-4. It's a bit hard to explain, but does that make sense? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

== Wow, check this out! ==

I just discovered something rather interesting and entertaining.  I used a Seek Bar to skip ahead to the scene where Marzipan is dressed up as Beaker, and as a result of not answering the questions earlier in the toon, I got to watch all of the possible "ingredients" in order. ("Some questionable water, some stank water, ...and give it a stir with this Jurassic Park 3 Collector's Spoon, and give it a stir with this toilet brush...")  Also, backing up to the point where Homestar gets his words from Strong Sad, you can see all of the responses rapidly changing in their blanks. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:I had to figure out how to make seek bars work, and all that happened was i saw the tofu homestar ending! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 06:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
::Upon scrolling after the little the end bug appeared, I realized that you were wrong, but you can see all the endings. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 06:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's eyes ==

Are Strong Bad's eyes in the old, pre-"montage" style (where the diamond and V-shape are less symmetrical to each other) or are they in the post-"montage" style (the diamond and V-shape are more symmetrical)? Thanks. [[User:MHarrington|MHarrington]] 20:00, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

== Full Name? ==

Is this the first time when Homestar is addressed by his full name? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 07:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

:Anyone? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

::If, by "full name", you mean "Homestar Michael Runner", then yes, this is the only time he's given that name... it says so in the [[{{PAGENAME}}#Remarks|Remarks]]. The first time he was addressed as "Homestar Runner" was the [[Original Book]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's also not the first time that a middle name was suggested. See the DVD commentary on [[time capsule]]. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

==Bubs calls Homestar "Shorty"--my explanation==

Sorry, not a member. But I noticed that in the references section, it rants about how Homestar is actually taller than Bubs and Bubs calls Homestar shorty, but I think that whoever wrote that fails to understand why he called him shorty. Homestar dresses up as the character "Moocher" from the 1979 film "Breaking Away" in which people discriminate Moocher for his smaller build. Whenever someone calls Moocher "Shorty", he gets really mad. There were two instances in which he did that. First, when he got a job at the gas station, and his manager said "Don't forget to punch the clock, shorty." And that's just what he did. The second instance is when a nemesis college frat jerk called him shorty which sparked a mass bar fight. Just thought I'd clear that up for all 'yall.

== Homestar's impressions ==

Whoever wrote in the Easter Eggs about Homestar's shady drifter impression is wrong.
This isn't an 'option' like the Reagan impression; Homestar just does it as part of the easter egg. That fact should be removed.
:...What are you talking aboot? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yeah. I took it out. Oh, and sign your posts, please. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 14:49, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

== Just noticed something... ==

Marzipan: "Bring it back before midnight." Ths was released at 1:30 am EST. Coincidence?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 22:11, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno. Emails which show it's broad daylight are released in the middle of night. I don't see any correlation between the release time and the events within the toon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

::No, I mean, TBC were struggling to get this cartoon done before midnight. They failed, but it doesn't seem like Homestar did. Know what I mean?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 21:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

== Yanked the "Checkers" reference ==
That was actually Richard Nixon who gave the Checkers speech.  Now, I wouldn't put it past Homestar to get those two mixed up, but I don't think that was what they were going for. [[User:RumbleRed|RumbleRed]] 20:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, totally not. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::The whole point was "What can one quickly remember popculturally about Reagan?"  Running short, he knows most presidents had first pets.  He said "probably had a pet."  Not "checkers," not even "dog."

== Misplaced trivia ==

* "Strong Sad's line, "Each day we die a little more," and Marzipan's line, "I'm not the only girl," are references to their respective lines from the Who Said What Now?."

Actually, those lines are from Spin n' Say, not this toon. I want to remove that, but just for the record, who placed that line there in the first place? [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 18:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Spin and Say was changed to Who Said What Now?, so the fact is still correct. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 17:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


== glitch ==
I don't know how this happened but, at the end it showed every possible ingredient, stirring utensil and incantation then, it showed french homestar frozen in place.


==Pokémon Reference (Perhaps)==
You guys are NEVER going to believe it.

"Choose it or Lose it" (the title page name) is said in Pokémon S01E01, about 3:45 in.

Maybe it's a coincedence, or that phrase is just common, whatever.

I liek Mudkips.
:It IS what I thought of, and they HAVE made [[pokemon]] refs before, however the phrase is [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22choose+it+or+lose+it%22 far too common] to pin to this one thing. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::Though if you really look at those sites, you'll see that most of them are about that one Pokemon episode. But I don't know if that is still convincing enough. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::If you search for [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22choose+it+or+lose+it%22+-Pokémon+-Pokemon pages without the words "pokémon" or "pokemon"], you still get about 4000 as opposed to about 4700. So no, most of them are not referring to that specific episode. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Legnth ==

I calculated and its about 14 minutes in length [[User:HomsarGuy|HomsarGuy]] 21:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Objects as Inside references ==

I had removed a bunch of Inside references (such as the KFC bucket, Pom Poms gun, a broken TV, etc) citing that these are just mundane objects and graphics that TBC reuse so that they don't have to redraw them every time. My change was reverted saying that many of these objects have their own articles meaning that they are not mundane; they are significant objects and, therefore, are considered inside references. I didn't want to start a reverting war, so I'm starting this discussion to get others opinions.

My opinion is this: It's fine that these objects have their own articles, but do we really need to say "Ooh! theres that KFC bucket again!" every time it appears? As time goes on, I'm sure many objects in the HR universe will have their own articles, and adding each and every one as an Inside Reference will be a lot. These facts just add clutter to the article without adding anything interesting. If anyone is interested in the KFC bucket it has its own article for that reason. <br>   Furthermore, I don't really see these as "inside references." Usually an inside reference makes some sort of explicit connection to a previous toon. There is no real connection between the broken TVs in this toon and the ones in previous toons. They're just generic broken TVs. I don't think TBC were saying "you know what will blow our viewers' minds away? if we use the SAME broken tv as in that other toon! it'll be hilarious!" So theres my thoughts. Any opinions? - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 15:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:I tend to agree that reused objects and sounds don't make good fun facts, but some people tend to like these facts, but only sometimes. It escapes me what the difference is between the type that people like and the type people find boring because frankly, i find them all boring, and agree that it's all basically clutter. That's my 2 cents anyway. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::I support keeping facts like this because it allows us to link to the articles for the objects in question. If we don't have facts like this, there won't be anywhere to link the cool shades Pom Pom is wearing, for example, which seems to me not to be good thing. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Yea I was thinking of that as a potential reason for keeping a mention of them somewhere in the article... I noticed that a lot of other articles have these types of things linked in the transcript when they come up. for example: "Bubs has a bucket containing a [[Orange_Bowl_and_Spoon#Wooden_Spoon|wooden spoon]], a brush, etc" I think that this is a better place for them to be linked since, as I mentioned before, these aren't really References. - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 12:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I can see that working sometimes, but rarely. After a while, repeated linking in the transcript starts to look really ugly. Linking in dialogue is actually prohibited, though that probably won't apply to this sort situation. Linking elsewhere can be OK sparingly. After a while, all that blue makes it annoying to read. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 15:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

== Diapers come true? Hopefully not... ==

Dear Hrwiki,

Homestar's "sing a saong" option in scene four has ''got'' to refer to something! I just know it. I have scoured the Fun Facts and Transcript and found nothing. Is it even a real song? I know that I have heard that tune before... 

Confuzzed,<br>
[[User:Jellote|Jellote]],<br>
Over there

== Youtube Ver. ==

could someone with time & editing tact put in a section on the version of Potion-ma-jig posted to the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTtCGZOdtI youtube account]], like how it was done for [[independent]]? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 07:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

:Not sure about that. What I am sure about is that the YT version follows the DVD Play All version, including the "Betta Ax Somebod-ay" error. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 14:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)