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Disputed Fun Facts

  • In the commentary, The Cheat has probably his most comprehensible lines ever, and at least one is even completely decipherable ("You don't like the video, huh?")
    • I couldn't comprehend any of what The Cheat said.
    • I agree. The first thing he says can be easily translated to "And this is The Cheat."
  • In the commentary, Strong Sad's remark that it's the "Worst commentary ever" might be a refrence to the comic book guy on The Simpsons.
    • How? And in what way?
      • The comic book guy is a movie/series/comic-nerd stereotype, saying things like "worst episode ever", "worst cross-over ever" etc. For more information consult http://www.snpp.com/guides/cbg.file.html

Methinks the link to They Might Be A Wiki should be http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Untitled/Lyrics

  • The comment about the glass being full seems a bit unnecessary.
    • Second That.
  • The shot of the ATM with a football helmet chasing Strong Sad is a reference to Commander Keen, Defender of the Universe!
    • That's a big stretch. The only thing I can find in common is that the ATM has a mostly-yellow football helmet. Are yellow football helmets that rare? The ATM is doing nothing like Commander Keen (i.e. jumping, zapping, etc.) and I don't recall any Strong Sad-like enemies in the games.

I just can't resist

The first line of the song is "The color of infinity inside an empty glass." Strong Sad's glass is full.

  • But Strong Sad would still think of it as "not-really-empty", wouldn't he? Okay, okay, bad joke over. --Jay 01:44, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)
But what is an "empty glass" anyway? -- Tom 11:28, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

I've been listening to too much music

Ok, this probably isn't very relevant, but I've noticed some paralells between this video and the tracks on TMBG's album Apollo 18. Only the people who have heard the CD will probably understand some of these. Also, I'm gonna skip the one's I haven't figured out yet.:

1 (Dig My Grave): Strong Sad as the grim reaper

2 (I Palindrome I): The palindromic formation of the ATM machines saying "experimental film" in the Artic.

3 (She's Actual Size): I dunno, maybe the giant finger coming from the water, since the song is about a really big woman.

4 (My Evil Twin): Everybody meeting their counterparts (and pogo-ing).

5 (Mammal): Another dubious one. Maybe the glass of water in the beginning (the lyrics in the beginning of Mammal are "glass of milk")

7 (Spider): Gavin the Cockroach. Ok, so he's not a spider per se, but he's another icky bug.

8 (The Guitar): The lion (since half of this song is about some lion)

9 (Dinner Bell): The muffin on the table.

10 (Narrow your Eyes): Strong Sad narrows his eyes after the ATM says "Check Balance??".

11 (Hall of Heads): John and John's heads, of course. Also, the "Our Gracious Host" guy.

15 (Turn Around): The skull guy riding the bike (Turn around/ turn around/ it's a human skull on the ground)

Well, that's all I can think of for now. Of course, I'm skipping over all the "Fingertips" songs, that would take up way too much space. Anyway, if anyone else has heard this CD and noticed any more paralells, please post 'em.

Oh, you are going to love This Might Be A Wiki, the wiki dedicated to TMBG. Check out their page for Experimental Film and especially the interpretations page for the song, where you can pretty much add what you added here. I'm sure they'd love to hear from you. -- Tom 22:00, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)


Awkward Actions...

Alright, after watching this a few times, I have a question. At two points in the video, Strong Sad is bobbing his head, and you can see a film reel right next to him, then the rest of the page is blank. However, I can't figure out exactly why Strong Sad was doing. Was he nodding his head to the beat of the song or following the film reel as it moved up toward the top of the screen?

  • Hmm, I always figured he was watching the film, which seems to make sense considering that he then jumps across the reel. The way I look at it, he watches the film, then decides to interact with it in some way, in this case jumping across. And Strong Sad himself doesn't really seem to acknowledge the music in the movie. It's a very good question though. --Ogog

Transcript

The commentary transcript does little to explain what is actually going on in the video as the characters speak. Is there any reason this was left out? -- Tom 12:36, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

Declined Fun Facts

These were on the STUFF page and declined. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

=Un Chien Debaser

"Un Chien Andalou" is the inspiration for the song "Debaser" by the Pixies. Frank Black, lead singer of the Pixies, is close friends with They Might Be Giants, and has toured with them.

  • Accept All the links in the chain seem to be true, and even if it's not why TBC used that particular reference it's still an interesting fact. --phlip 01:21, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Decline Even if it is true, it has no place on the EF page. Thats a Pixies fact not a Homestar Runner one. Donny vs Universe
    • Second. -- tomstiff
      • Third. --TK600 21:39, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Rebuttal This explains a reference elsewhere. Simply put it in an "outside references" subsection and let it go yous guys. -da borg
    • Personal Comment Un Chien Andalou gave me nightmares, don't watch it. ---the spludge 22:08, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Calvin and the Cotton Gin (Declined)

In a Calvin and Hobbes strip, Calvin sometimes would use "The Cotton Gin" as an answer to problems he did not know, even on math tests.

  • Weak Decline Since the answer was right on that test (and never right on Calvin's tests) I don't think this is the case. --NFITC1
    • Comment We never actually see the questions to the test (except the first, which is "Are you all going to be in my experimental film?"), so we don't know if the answer is right. Aurora Szalinski 09:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
      • Comment on comment Actually, we know the answer was wrong, because the test-taker got an A+ after selecting a different answer (specifically, "Yeah!") --Jay 09:56, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
      • Comment on my own comment Well, okay, actually, I was assuming that it was multiple-choice and that the test-taker was selecting the first of four possible answers (notice the hilight). I suppose four questions being on a different page never really occurred to me before now. Oh, well, whatever. The test-taker got an A+. --Jay 10:01, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
        • Will the commentary never cease? You are right! I personally don't think it has much to do with whether it's a reference or not, though. Aurora Szalinski 10:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
          • Hehe, cease. Tis a funny word. *watches as people give me wierd looks*... Well, its true. Cease is a funny word. Neway, I Decline.---erson 10:57, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline. Seems a bit of a stretch. --Trogga 15:45, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Weak Accept. This reference seems fine to me. Calvin did this a lot and I think of it when seeing "cotton gin" on a test. It might be a bit stretchy though. Aurora Szalinski 15:49, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Second
  • Decline. Theres an essay by Mike Nelson (of Mystery Science Theater 3000 fame) about how Eli Whitney and the cotten gin were all kids used to learn about in school. So the cotten gin answer isn't really an original idea (or at least not one to put a specific reference on). Donny vs Universe
  • Weak Decline I read and own many Calvin and Hobbes comic collections. In my reading, I noticed that while Calvin did use The Cotton Gin as answers, he mostly just puts down random answers to questions he didn't know the correct answer to. Other answers include "Trostsky, Lexington, 1824", and so on. --acekirby13 17:27, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decwine This is true, but not relevant. Rudeboy87 08:50, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
  • Decline Or it could be that the question was 'What did Eli Whitney invent?' The_Pardack
  • Accept Sigh, the only accept. I've never even read only Calvin and Hobbes before and I know about the Cotton Gin thing. I've seen it many, many places. mibluvr13 19:39, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
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