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::''Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter.'' I noted that by saying how unimportant this all was. ''H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway.'' Agreed, but something like Bubs and Pom Pom dying is a bit more major, especially considering the ridiculous ways they happened.  ''We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe.'' Fair enough, although it should at least be noted there that it was just within Strong Sad's story. --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 20:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
::''Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter.'' I noted that by saying how unimportant this all was. ''H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway.'' Agreed, but something like Bubs and Pom Pom dying is a bit more major, especially considering the ridiculous ways they happened.  ''We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe.'' Fair enough, although it should at least be noted there that it was just within Strong Sad's story. --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 20:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I like the current "compromise?" edit on the BCS page. I also accidentally found this semi-relevant quote from the [[Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007]]; Matt says, "There are several times when Strong Bad has imagined Strong Sad being dead, so that was clearly in his imagination. But other times when he just punches him, that was probably real." --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 20:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I like the current "compromise?" edit on the BCS page. I also accidentally found this semi-relevant quote from the [[Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007]]; Matt says, "There are several times when Strong Bad has imagined Strong Sad being dead, so that was clearly in his imagination. But other times when he just punches him, that was probably real." --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 20:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
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I know I already mentioned this in the forum, but I don't think anybody payed attention to that. I thought Homestar and Coach Z switched places during the crystal ball's curse. How do you think Homestar ended up outside? I'm also certain Coach Z's doom is, as Strong Sad suggests, ''already'' being Coach Z, which is why we see his skull appear. Homestar's skull only appears on Macrame Owl Homestar (Homestar's doom). Any thoughts? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.42|69.19.14.42]] 15:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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Reaper cloak

Is it worth mentioning that the cloak that Strong Sad wears on the cover of "Doomy Tales of the Macabre is the same one as in "Experimental Film"? 24.218.166.107 04:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Buh-hubs.

A simple question: how should one word the Bubs RWRs? The Wiki strives to be family-friendly, while both his first line of the toon (regarding the brain in his afro) and his line in the Easter Egg refer to Pulp Fiction, both parts of which are...less than family-friendly. I thought perhaps it could read:

  • Bubs' line about brain in his afro and about his wallet are both references to scenes from Pulp Fiction.

and a content warning could (and should) be added to the end of the line, which I can't remember the Wiki format for at the moment. --Onamuji (b/w T. C.  ) 05:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it is necessary to say what Jules says in Pulp fiction. That would be explaining the joke. I like the way it is worded currently I R F 12:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
That being said, would someone please be so kind as to explain the joke to me? I've...never actually... seen Pulp Fiction.but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!! 21:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Try http://us.imdb.com/character/ch0001783/quotes and search for "wallet". -- Sentroyd 01:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Nope. Still don't get it. but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!! 22:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The Transcript

Sorry for not showing any progress, the wiki stopped working for me last night. This server does not really like taking any unusual load at all or something. --InsanityBringer 11:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, what about Homsar's lines?

Check the easter eggs section for those --InsanityBringer 16:34, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hand

This could not be a more perfect match if you tried

I believe that hand is not the hand of the Onceler and actually the hand of the mom from Career Day. In fact, I am almost sure of it. Monkeytender 18:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Nope, it's not the same object, not shaped the same, nothing similar aside from being a hand. — Defender1031*Talk 18:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Have you even tried comparing the two? They've both got the roundy bracelets and the extended fingernails. They're almost definitely the same. And it's definitely not The Onceler like the article is currently claiming. Monkeytender 19:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I tend to agree, it looks like the hand was based on the Mom hand. Its definitely closer to that than to the Onceler. (Note, the Mom hand appears as the same object in career day and hygene.) -132.183.140.194 19:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree. It looks very much like the mom's hand, and not particularly like the Onceler's.146.122.71.68 19:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, DeFender, they are absotively 100% correct. It is obviously the same hand shape as in Career Day and hygiene. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 19:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It's not the same flash object, so you can't say for certain. I'm not saying it's the onceler, but i'm saying it's also not the same hand from there. — Defender1031*Talk 19:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Same curl at the base of the thumb, same three fingers pointing upward for no obvious reason, same bracelet, etc. Homestar isn't the same Flash object that he used to be, but are we to claim he's a different character entirely? --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 19:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Here, look for yourself. Perfect. Match. The only difference is that one is in silhouette. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 19:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, this certainly changes things. Yep, same hand. Those Chapmans are getting lazier (that was a joke).--Jellote wuz here 19:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh... I was looking at the hand in career day which is a different object. Yes, you are correct, it is the exact same hand here. Sorry i doubted all you guys. — Defender1031*Talk 19:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree that it's the same hand too(as it's been agreed to), but where does the hand show up in career day? StrongAwesome 04:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Remember that Dr. Seuss' characters don't have fingers per se, so this is most definitely not the Onceler's.StarFox 16:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Not true. Cat In The Hat might have mittens, but many characters, including the Once-ler and Lorax have definite fingers. As opposed to Strong Bad. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Dr. Seuss' characters have pinkies and thumbs, but no other clear fingers. StarFox 17:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
To StrongAwesome: It's the hand that places the picture under the pillow in the little boy's imagination. It's not the same shape, exactly (if only because it's not holding anything between the index finger and thumb), but it's close, and the nails and bracelet are identical to the ones in hygiene. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 18:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Move-a

Should there be some mention that Strong Mad's Easter egg line is from "Money for Nothing?" Related to that, I would argue that move-a is a better spelling than moova (it refers to the fact that the character is moving refrigerators and moving color TVs).146.122.71.68 19:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

heck, it even says 'Move-a' on the costume discription page. I'll fix it. But, you don't always have to ask before putting something. be bold! StrongAwesome 20:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

How/Why?

Does STrong Bad say "How do you think..." or "why do you think..."? The latter makes more sense, but the former is what many people including me partially hear. Which is it?--Jellote wuz here 23:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the concept makes much sense either way. But I hear "how". — It's dot com 01:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I am only an anony, but I've watched this thing four times now, and I have heard why each time 69.81.183.110 02:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

After relistening, I hear "why". And as for how that makes semse, think about it: he goes through Strong Mad's digestive track and gets, er, passed with the rest of the fecal waste. Therefore, it would make sense of this being why they give him baths. Should I change it, or leave a footnote. It's two to one at the moment, IDC, so it seems a change is in order unless anyone else has a comment.--Jellote wuz here 14:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Umm, it's most certainly "how". It's not even a question, and all references to this added to the wiki on other page so far have been going with "how" as well. — Defender1031*Talk 18:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
As the person who transcribed it originally, of course I support "how". Both make weird sense in H*R logic, although very different KINDS of sense. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 19:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Reduce [an] overhead?

What exactly does that mean, and do we need an explanation on the page as to what it means? -Everybody! 01:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

"Overhead" refers to the expenses related to operating a business. Reducing his overhead means lowering his expenses. I don't think it really needs an explanation in the article; it's a pretty well-known business term and people who don't know what it means can look it up in a dictionary or online, just like any other word. {{User:kane2742/sig}} 14:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Eating The Cheat

In this video, Strong Bad claims that Strong Mad eats The Cheat all of the time. However, the email "narrator" refers to a movie supposedly called "I'm Surprised Strong Mad Hasn't Eaten The Cheat By Now". Would this be a continuity issue? --Hatkirby 02:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Possibly, although I'm not sure any of this actually "happened" or was just made up by Strong Sad. — It's dot com 03:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
We can also question the factuality of SB's line from narrator (after all, it was kind of thrown out there as the title of a movie for which we never even saw the trailer). I think all told, with both of these events being of uncertain factuality (even in-universe), there's no continuity issue. Heimstern Läufer 03:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Was thinking that too, thanks for clearing it up. --69.113.231.176 20:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

"Real-World" References

Since a lot of these references are not from the "real world", but from video games and such, wouldn't it be more appropriate to call this section "Outside References"? 81.226.252.221 10:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Since we use the term "Real-World References" in many articles, we'd have to change them all if we changed it here. As such it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss it here; it'd need to be at a more centralized place (I'm thinking probably HRWiki talk:Standards). I think actually this has been discussed and rejected in the past, but I don't recall where or when. Heimstern Läufer 10:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
"Inside" is not meant literally, so "Outside" is not the appropriate moniker. But there was once a discussion over whether they should be "Cultural References". I'd be fine with that if not for the SHEER NUMBER of pages we'd have to fix. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 00:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
If we did that, that sounds like Bot work to me. wbwolf (t | ed) 15:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Although it would be a pain, it would also be more accurate... HaldoHelscome!
I disagree. Not all of the references they make are necessarily culturally significant. But all of them originate in the real world. -128.103.10.123 17:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstand the meaning of "cultural" in this context. Back when I worked on the "Cultural Reference Guide to Animaniacs" (in the Usenet days), a "cultural" reference would be anything in popular culture: movies, books, TV shows, music, whatever. It wouldn't necessarily be "high" culture like Shakespeare (though it would be called upon), but it's part of the culture, nonetheless. It would be the same here. Having said that, I don't see anything wrong with "Real-World", since it's a reference to something outside of the H*R universe. Either would work. wbwolf (t | ed) 17:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Oops... you bwoke the twadition.

Is it significant that this is the first Halloween Toon to not feature The Goblin since Halloween Fairstival? I know he hasn't been in every Halloween Toon, but can four consecutive toons be wrong?

It's not really that important. The Goblin isn't in all of them, so the fact that he happened to be in four in a row isn't too relevant. Flicky1991 23:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
While I was very dissapointed of this (since the Goblin is one of my favorite characters) I think he was omitted due to him being so prominently featured in last year's toon. He'll probably be back next year. Shorty1k

Teeth

Strong Bad's skull lacks teeth, and Coach Z's completely lacks a mouth or jaw. Do either of these count as references to either character's lack of facial features? --66.29.169.1 04:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, unless anyone disagrees, I say put it in the Inside References. FugitiveofPhysics 22:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Familiarity?

The exchange between Homestar and Marzipan near the beginning REALLY gave me a feeling of deja vu. Does anyone know if there is anything like that in something else? --Severyourleg59 11:14, 31 October 2009

Homestar talks to her that way often. Like, when she asks him to get the phone and he said he's busy not answering the phone. I R F 06:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I mean more specific than that. Not HOW they were talking, but what they were talking about. --Severyourleg59 4:32, 1 November 2009

Maybe you're thinking of Halloween Potion-ma-jig where they quarreled in a similar fashion. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 21:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Majora's Mask

Is it worth comparing Strong Bad's mask to the real thing? For example, Strong Bad's horns are curved, though they should be straight, the mask is shaped differently to fit Strong Bad's head, all Strong Bad's colours are too bright, and the real eyes do not frown. There are also incorrect patterns near his mouth. Compare

Here's Skull Kid. Skull_Kid_in_Brawl_by_EliteAgent.jpg StarFox 16:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Might be worth noting on the costume page, rather than here. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Might be worth comparing with official art, instead of fanart (though that is pretty good fanart.) --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 18:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Pretty sure that's official. It's from SSBB. But I don't think the differences are especially notable. They take liberties with all the costumes. -132.183.138.33 19:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Skull Kid doesn't appear in SSBB, outside of a pair of stickers (and stickers aren't in 3D). 9_9 --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 19:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, my mistake. I thought there was a Skull Kid figure/trophy thing. I should have paid more attention to the fact that it's fanart, as you said. Apologies. -132.183.138.33 19:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What's he look like under the mask? Is it freaky looking? Aw dude I gotta see it. I seriously need to get my Game Cube working again. C-Son-L Sweaters 01:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Song Lyrics

Does anyone else hear "sooo macabre" at the end of the theme music? --68.96.79.79 22:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I definitely hear the word "macabre" at the end. I'm unsure of the rest because it's in such a low key it's hard to hear over the higher instrumental notes. I thought it was "Tales of macabre" until you posted. — Defender1031*Talk 23:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've always heard it as something like "Someone will die", but that's just me. Monkeytender 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I hear "So Macabre!" or "Tales of Macabre", but leaning towards the former. So Macabre it is. --Jellote wuz here 00:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Music Style - John Carpenter?

I noticed that the theme music sounds somewhat similar to works of John Carpenter, or more specifically, his theme for Assault on Precinct 13. John Carpenter happens to be known for his many 80's and 90's B-movie horror films (The Thing, The Fog, the Halloween series) and for his reliance on synthesizers for his music. Considering all the other 80's references in the past, I wouldn't put it past them to reference this.

actually, the vocal part from the opening theme is reminiscent of the "Brit Pout" music playing on the boombox from Homestar Ruiner.
It was at Club Technochocolate, right? StarFox 16:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Club T-C wasn't in Homestar Ruiner. He means on the BOOM Box in the House of Strong. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 16:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
It reminded me somehow of a Club TC song that goes "Frooooosty, la la la froooosty." Or something like that. StarFox 16:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Hom(e)s(t)ar

Homestar with several knees seems to make the same sound as homsar's regular walking. Anybody else notice? FugitiveofPhysics 21:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It does, but that sound effect isn't exclusive to Homsar, so its reuse isn't of itself notable. Such occurrences are documented on the Sound Effects page (of which Homsar's walking noise is the first listed). -132.183.138.33 21:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

The halloween house?

Where does the halloween house appear in this toon? — Defender1031*Talk 01:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I think they are counting when the Sad Kids walk in front of Strong Mad's and The Cheat's candy dumpster. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Canonicity II

This has been added to the Bubs' Concession Stand page's "Notable Events" section a few times:

  • In Doomy Tales of the Macabre, Bubs' chemical experiment causes the stand to turn into a giant version of his head and decapitate him.

Twice I've reverted it, saying that it was an imagined event. However, it's later been restored each time, the last time with a comment: "naw, i think it's fair to consider the events of doomy tales real, given that the characters repond to SS and all... plus i won't accept that there's a ween toon where the only actual character is SS"

I know this pretty much doesn't matter at all, but I find it surprising that so many people accept the deaths and transformations of most of the characters at Strong Sad's whim as real in-universe events. Been watching too much Death Note? :) Besides, as many minor inconsistencies as there are in H*R, all examples of the death of main characters are imagined/hypothetical (e.g., your funeral) or obviously non-canon (e.g., Main Page 7). I don't see why this is any different, just because the characters sass back at him (when The Ugly One says, "that's it?" to Strong Bad after being dangled off a hotel balcony, that doesn't mean The Ugly One is real in the H*R universe, Strong Bad's just playing around with the in-universe fourth wall).

Like I said, it is minorer than minor can be, but I just wanted to throw this out there and see what people thought. --TimMierz 19:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter. H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway. And why is an imagined event any less notable? We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe. --DorianGray 20:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter. I noted that by saying how unimportant this all was. H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway. Agreed, but something like Bubs and Pom Pom dying is a bit more major, especially considering the ridiculous ways they happened. We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe. Fair enough, although it should at least be noted there that it was just within Strong Sad's story. --TimMierz 20:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I like the current "compromise?" edit on the BCS page. I also accidentally found this semi-relevant quote from the Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007; Matt says, "There are several times when Strong Bad has imagined Strong Sad being dead, so that was clearly in his imagination. But other times when he just punches him, that was probably real." --TimMierz 20:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate characters?

I know I already mentioned this in the forum, but I don't think anybody payed attention to that. I thought Homestar and Coach Z switched places during the crystal ball's curse. How do you think Homestar ended up outside? I'm also certain Coach Z's doom is, as Strong Sad suggests, already being Coach Z, which is why we see his skull appear. Homestar's skull only appears on Macrame Owl Homestar (Homestar's doom). Any thoughts? --69.19.14.42 15:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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