Talk:Character Video Transcripts
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There are potentially two questions to answer: (1) Should this be done? (2) If so, how should it be done? For the first question, I for one think it might be a good and quick way to read all the transcripts, and I like the way it groups similar things together. On the other hand, is it really that hard to go through each character's page? As for the second question, to avoid duplicating work, either the transcripts should all be moved here or some templates set up to include the verbiage both here and on each character's page. I'd go for the second option, since it requires less clicking for the reader. — It's dot com 23:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- This has been brought up again? I say delete, since a sysop who knew what he was doing deleted it. Delete once more. — MichaelXX2
23:50, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I did, I say Keep, there's too much of this clicking to find the Character Transcipts of everyone, besides, this is is easier, Thank you It's dot com, I know I'll make this worth, two is all I could do, I say all the Transcripts etc. moved here.
Meaty85203 00:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)- Unless someone wants it in different Articles? Anyone, Nowone Mooooo... Mooooooooooo Meaty85203 00:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Michael: The article was previously deleted because the information is elsewhere. As I explained in my first post, however, there are ways to get around violating the once-and-only-once rule (by moving the data or using templates), and we organize the same data different ways all the time if we think it serves the reader (for example, all the Strong Bad Email lists). The issue of whether a combined page should be created for quick viewing has not to my knowledge been addressed, and should be. — It's dot com 00:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Personally I always found it odd that we stuck the character transcripts on the character pages, and it's something I've considered bringing up some time. I think they should all be on a different page, albeit perhaps a different name (like "Character Videos"), and have the character pages link to this one. —Guard Duck talk 03:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I like the character videos where they are: on separate pages, where they can have separate fun facts and separate filmographies. --DorianGray 05:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to having a separate page for each one, in the style of [[(Name)'s Character Video]]. We have separate pages for all the other toons, and this would preserve the separate filmographies like dorian said. I also would not be opposed to having them contain noinclude tags for the headers and footers, to allow them all to be included on a central page like this one. I think i'll make some mock-ups in my userspace to make it clearer, just give me a little while. — Defender1031*Talk 10:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well, after a lot of experimenting with templates and totally flooding recent changes, i have discovered that it would be more difficult to do what i proposed than i initially thought... I'll give it more thought over the weekend and hopefully i'll have a better idea next week. Sorry for the flood, everyone. — Defender1031*Talk 11:28, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I wouldn't be opposed to having a separate page for each one, in the style of [[(Name)'s Character Video]]. We have separate pages for all the other toons, and this would preserve the separate filmographies like dorian said. I also would not be opposed to having them contain noinclude tags for the headers and footers, to allow them all to be included on a central page like this one. I think i'll make some mock-ups in my userspace to make it clearer, just give me a little while. — Defender1031*Talk 10:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- I like the character videos where they are: on separate pages, where they can have separate fun facts and separate filmographies. --DorianGray 05:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Personally I always found it odd that we stuck the character transcripts on the character pages, and it's something I've considered bringing up some time. I think they should all be on a different page, albeit perhaps a different name (like "Character Videos"), and have the character pages link to this one. —Guard Duck talk 03:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- Yes I did, I say Keep, there's too much of this clicking to find the Character Transcipts of everyone, besides, this is is easier, Thank you It's dot com, I know I'll make this worth, two is all I could do, I say all the Transcripts etc. moved here.
- It seems to make more sense here, but needs finsihing. --Jellote 22:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
- If the character videos are individual toons, shouldn't they deserve their own articles like all the other toons on the website? I never quite felt comfortable with the transcripts being merged with the character's articles. I quite like DeFender's prototype and can't quite see what difficulties he's referring to. It may take a bit of work to implement the idea, but it's not impossible and could work out well. We could provide links to each article at Character Videos! But whatever we do, I definitely do not like the idea of putting all twelve transcripts on one page, as things would then get cluttered. – The Chort 18:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- The difficulty was that the fun facts on the merge page need to be a header lower than on the individual page. though now that i think about it, i don't think we really should even have a merge page. We don't have pages that contain the transcripts for all of the strong bad emails in one place, do we? Though, on second thought, it might be nice to have all of the character intros in one place. The drawback is that the toon page has to have all sorts of noinclude tags all over the place that look out of place when editing sections and might confuse people. — Defender1031*Talk 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- It would also be harder to find and link to specific transcripts if we used the merged article. We'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Strong Bad Transcript instead of Strong Bad Character Video each time, for example. I also do not like the idea of putting all the Fun Facts for all 12 videos at the bottom of the page instead of just after the transcript where they came from. As for grouping all the intros together, we could use Character Videos to provide links in a similar manner to Character Evolutions and Minor Character Variations. – The Chort 18:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- So you say forgo the merge page altogether, leave out the annoying template code, and just replace the links on the videos page with links to the toon articles rather than the character bios? sounds good to me. I'll do it if no one else has any objections, but one other option is to have a merge page containing just the transcripts and not the fun facts, and have a very limited amount of templating code on each video's page. I'll do whichever thing the community decides is best. — Defender1031*Talk 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- What about a page that links to each individual transcript, like the relationship page links to each individual character interaction -128.103.10.200 19:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Again, that's what The Chort suggested, i'm providing a second alternative. — Defender1031*Talk 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- Can You Help or Will we put up Character Videos, The Ones Currently On The Page are not found anywhere else (The Strong Bad#Character Video Thing Doesn't Work) Only It's Dot Com worked on this ({{TBD}}) Somebody Please Help Or Make 12 New Articles, Either. Meaty85203 04:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- Again, that's what The Chort suggested, i'm providing a second alternative. — Defender1031*Talk 19:21, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- What about a page that links to each individual transcript, like the relationship page links to each individual character interaction -128.103.10.200 19:20, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- So you say forgo the merge page altogether, leave out the annoying template code, and just replace the links on the videos page with links to the toon articles rather than the character bios? sounds good to me. I'll do it if no one else has any objections, but one other option is to have a merge page containing just the transcripts and not the fun facts, and have a very limited amount of templating code on each video's page. I'll do whichever thing the community decides is best. — Defender1031*Talk 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- It would also be harder to find and link to specific transcripts if we used the merged article. We'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Strong Bad Transcript instead of Strong Bad Character Video each time, for example. I also do not like the idea of putting all the Fun Facts for all 12 videos at the bottom of the page instead of just after the transcript where they came from. As for grouping all the intros together, we could use Character Videos to provide links in a similar manner to Character Evolutions and Minor Character Variations. – The Chort 18:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- The difficulty was that the fun facts on the merge page need to be a header lower than on the individual page. though now that i think about it, i don't think we really should even have a merge page. We don't have pages that contain the transcripts for all of the strong bad emails in one place, do we? Though, on second thought, it might be nice to have all of the character intros in one place. The drawback is that the toon page has to have all sorts of noinclude tags all over the place that look out of place when editing sections and might confuse people. — Defender1031*Talk 18:16, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- If the character videos are individual toons, shouldn't they deserve their own articles like all the other toons on the website? I never quite felt comfortable with the transcripts being merged with the character's articles. I quite like DeFender's prototype and can't quite see what difficulties he's referring to. It may take a bit of work to implement the idea, but it's not impossible and could work out well. We could provide links to each article at Character Videos! But whatever we do, I definitely do not like the idea of putting all twelve transcripts on one page, as things would then get cluttered. – The Chort 18:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've long wondered why the character transcripts are on the character pages meself... but let's wait until there's consensus before moving them, please. --Jaybor Day (Talk) 23:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, i'm willing to do it, and i think each one shouyld have its own page. The only question is, should there be a combined page as well? — Defender1031*Talk 08:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
- You mean repeat all the transcripts on two different articles? No, there's no need for that. Just turn Character Videos into a disambiguation by providing links to each transcript. I look forward to seeing the transcripts as individual articles soon. – The Chort 19:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, i'm willing to do it, and i think each one shouyld have its own page. The only question is, should there be a combined page as well? — Defender1031*Talk 08:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Please keep this. It makes much more sense than spreading them apart.--Jellote 13:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
- Does it? I'm sorry but I still don't see a lot of sense in combining twelve different toons into one long article. To me, everything seems a bit squashed together, as if each of these transcripts denote a different section of one long toon, and none of the Fun Facts are anywhere near their respective toons. And as I have already said, if you wanted to link to a certain character video, instead of typing Homestar Runner's Character Video (which is easy enough to remember), you'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Homestar Runner instead (which is much longer and harder to remember, especially if you're new to the wiki). I know that redirect pages can take care of these sort of mistakes, but we tend to avoid linking to redirect pages when we should really be linking to the article's correct title. – The Chort 14:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the transcripts should be on separate pages from the character's article, and each on it's own page. Even though they are short, they are separate toons on the site. If it's easy then we can do the
<noinclude>tags such that the transcript can be transcluded into the character articles. I think it would be fine to just include body the transcript itself (i.e. omit the fun facts etc), with a link to the full transcript. I don't see a benefit in having one big article, a short disambig-type page could be put here. Or if the listing in Character Videos is updated appropriately, this page could simply redirect there. —98.222.134.36 16:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
- I think the transcripts should be on separate pages from the character's article, and each on it's own page. Even though they are short, they are separate toons on the site. If it's easy then we can do the
- Count me as another in favor of each video having a separate page. They are individual toons, even if they're not very long and have a shared navigation page. A toon does not belong on a character's page, and I don't know why it's been the way it is for so long. --TimMierz 20:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Does it? I'm sorry but I still don't see a lot of sense in combining twelve different toons into one long article. To me, everything seems a bit squashed together, as if each of these transcripts denote a different section of one long toon, and none of the Fun Facts are anywhere near their respective toons. And as I have already said, if you wanted to link to a certain character video, instead of typing Homestar Runner's Character Video (which is easy enough to remember), you'd need to type Character Video Transcripts#Homestar Runner instead (which is much longer and harder to remember, especially if you're new to the wiki). I know that redirect pages can take care of these sort of mistakes, but we tend to avoid linking to redirect pages when we should really be linking to the article's correct title. – The Chort 14:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Well?
It's been well over a month since the last edit on this article. Have we all agreed to create individual articles for each character video? Who's going to carry out the task? – The Chort 19:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't know, but it isn't going to be me. I'm in favor of it, though. free 19:43, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- I am in favor of a single article per video. I'm not entirely sure the discussion above constitutes a clear consensus though, so now that you've reminded us about it, it seems appropriate to leave a little time for anyone who strongly dissents to express their opinion (not another whole month though). I'm more than happy to do it if that is what we agree on (I see in the discussion above that others are also, so I wouldn't worry about finding someone to implement the change).
Green Helmet 19:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- No one responded...What now? free 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- I too am in favor of having an article for each video. Omnisweater 03:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think at this point, no one has raised an objection and so we should move ahead with creating the separate articles, and replacing the transcript section in each characters' article with a link to them. Do we have a "See full article" type template? Green Helmet 03:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to start. Any objections better happen soon. free 12:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Alright. It's done. This can be deleted now. free 16:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- And also, can we go ahead and delete the transcript for the characters? Or do what GreenHelmet did? free 16:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I LOVE it! Credit is due for all those who helped create the new articles and templates. Character Video Transcripts is now obsolete and should be deleted as soon as possible. Good work, everyone. – The Chort 17:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I created 11 of the articles and fixed the redirects. Yay, and goodbye thispage. free 17:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- With each one having its own page, this serves no purpose. Time to retire this page.--Jellote wuz here 20:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
- I created 11 of the articles and fixed the redirects. Yay, and goodbye thispage. free 17:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I LOVE it! Credit is due for all those who helped create the new articles and templates. Character Video Transcripts is now obsolete and should be deleted as soon as possible. Good work, everyone. – The Chort 17:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- And also, can we go ahead and delete the transcript for the characters? Or do what GreenHelmet did? free 16:20, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- Alright. It's done. This can be deleted now. free 16:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm going to start. Any objections better happen soon. free 12:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
- I think at this point, no one has raised an objection and so we should move ahead with creating the separate articles, and replacing the transcript section in each characters' article with a link to them. Do we have a "See full article" type template?
- I too am in favor of having an article for each video. Omnisweater 03:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- No one responded...What now? free 20:33, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
- I am in favor of a single article per video. I'm not entirely sure the discussion above constitutes a clear consensus though, so now that you've reminded us about it, it seems appropriate to leave a little time for anyone who strongly dissents to express their opinion (not another whole month though). I'm more than happy to do it if that is what we agree on (I see in the discussion above that others are also, so I wouldn't worry about finding someone to implement the change).
Get outta here, pointless article! Nobody likes your style.
Now that this article is no longer to-be-deleted, I feel I have to say... I see absolutely no point in having each video transcript in three different places on the wiki. All 12 character videos have been made; therefore, this article has no point. My vote for now is a solid del-taco. Objections, anyone? Lira (talk) 22:22, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- The reason is because in one place it's part of the character's biography. In another, it's the page for the toon itself like we have for every toon. And here, it's useful as a collection for someone who just wants to read the transcripts of all the intro videos. I lean toward keep, though I see why each video may not be as useful here as in the other two places where they appear. — Defender1031*Talk 23:10, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- These should all be separate articles, with a simpler article listing them together. Why don't we try and do that? - XY 71.122.225.64 6:27 PM, March 7th, 2016 (EST)
- We already have separate articles. The question is whether we should have a combined one as well. — Defender1031*Talk 23:51, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
- I understand why we have the transcripts in both the character's bio and in a separate article (although that is a little repetitive). But I think having them here, a third time, is a bit much... this is totally breaking OAOO. I don't think it's too much inconvenience to click on a link to get to each transcript. My opinion is still delete. Lira (talk) 03:28, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think we could turn this article into a disambiguation-type page listing links to each of the individual character video transcripts rather than having them all spelled out here. I've worked something up in the sandbox to start with.
The Knights Who Say Ni 
06:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- That strikes me as even less useful than what we have now. The transcripts are short enough that it's not that big a deal to have all of them here. Having just a list of links would just be a stripped-down version of Character Videos, which already has a list of links. — Defender1031*Talk 09:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Whisperingly, I don't think DeFender1031 agrees with a lot of things we do... - XY 71.122.225.64 8:06 AM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- But we gotta keep up with Wiki policies, right? In my view, this page is a direct and needless violation of Once And Only Once. There was discussion on this page, we decided to create individual articles instead... now all o' dems have been made, thereby rendering this page useless as a Thnikkaman. I think its deletion is needed and long overdue. Lira (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Precisely. I said something similar in the above discussion. RickTommy (edits) 13:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The fact that it uses templates so the actual information is all in one place makes it not a violation of OAOO. — Defender1031*Talk 13:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I was going to say what defender said. IF you look at the source, templates are used to accurately copy the information over. This is information that is useful in all 3 locations and is treated nicely via the use of templates. --Stux 14:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm looking at this, and since they're all small-enough transcripts, it seems kind of nice they're put in a pile here. I'm not really bothered by the fact the Once And Only Once policy goes against this. Maybe we shouldn't always follow it! I think it's better off we keep this in an organized article. - XY 71.122.225.64 5:24 PM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- Again, because of how it's structured internally, it does not go against OAOO. — Defender1031*Talk 23:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I see then. Well, I still think we should keep this. Wouldn't it be less convenient to keep things scattered instead of in a pile such as one as nice as this? - XY 71.122.225.64 9:05 PM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- I think we should
do something like this. Or maybedelete.
Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:22, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
- Each toon gets its own page. Character Videos are toons; therefore, they get their own pages. They are for introducing each of the characters and their personalities; therefore, it belongs on the character's page too. That's perfectly fine. But this? Why? The reason seems to be "for convenience", but it doesn't seem that inconvenient to click some links to see each video's page. This is extremely unorganized and breaks wiki policy. (I understand that it doesn't break OAOO because of how it's structured internally... but what about the Fun Facts? Those don't use templates, so doesn't that mean the Fun Facts break OAOO?) And if grouping together transcripts into one disorganized page is more convenient, why don't we make a page for [[Shorts Transcripts]] or [[Puppet Stuff Transcripts]]? Remember what happened to Skills of an Artist? Originally, they were all on the same page. Not for convenience, but because they didn't have their own pages yet at the time. Once they were split into seperate pages, the list of transcripts was gone as well. That was the consensus. And since this page is already on several other pages, it doesn't need to be here. Delete. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
- Each toon gets its own page. Character Videos are toons; therefore, they get their own pages. They are for introducing each of the characters and their personalities; therefore, it belongs on the character's page too. That's perfectly fine. But this? Why? The reason seems to be "for convenience", but it doesn't seem that inconvenient to click some links to see each video's page. This is extremely unorganized and breaks wiki policy. (I understand that it doesn't break OAOO because of how it's structured internally... but what about the Fun Facts? Those don't use templates, so doesn't that mean the Fun Facts break OAOO?) And if grouping together transcripts into one disorganized page is more convenient, why don't we make a page for [[Shorts Transcripts]] or [[Puppet Stuff Transcripts]]? Remember what happened to Skills of an Artist? Originally, they were all on the same page. Not for convenience, but because they didn't have their own pages yet at the time. Once they were split into seperate pages, the list of transcripts was gone as well. That was the consensus. And since this page is already on several other pages, it doesn't need to be here. Delete.
- I think we should
- I see then. Well, I still think we should keep this. Wouldn't it be less convenient to keep things scattered instead of in a pile such as one as nice as this? - XY 71.122.225.64 9:05 PM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- Again, because of how it's structured internally, it does not go against OAOO. — Defender1031*Talk 23:13, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'm looking at this, and since they're all small-enough transcripts, it seems kind of nice they're put in a pile here. I'm not really bothered by the fact the Once And Only Once policy goes against this. Maybe we shouldn't always follow it! I think it's better off we keep this in an organized article. - XY 71.122.225.64 5:24 PM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- I was going to say what defender said. IF you look at the source, templates are used to accurately copy the information over. This is information that is useful in all 3 locations and is treated nicely via the use of templates. --Stux 14:56, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- The fact that it uses templates so the actual information is all in one place makes it not a violation of OAOO. — Defender1031*Talk 13:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Precisely. I said something similar in the above discussion. RickTommy (edits) 13:11, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- But we gotta keep up with Wiki policies, right? In my view, this page is a direct and needless violation of Once And Only Once. There was discussion on this page, we decided to create individual articles instead... now all o' dems have been made, thereby rendering this page useless as a Thnikkaman. I think its deletion is needed and long overdue. Lira (talk) 13:09, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- Whisperingly, I don't think DeFender1031 agrees with a lot of things we do... - XY 71.122.225.64 8:06 AM, March 8th, 2016 (EST)
- That strikes me as even less useful than what we have now. The transcripts are short enough that it's not that big a deal to have all of them here. Having just a list of links would just be a stripped-down version of Character Videos, which already has a list of links. — Defender1031*Talk 09:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think we could turn this article into a disambiguation-type page listing links to each of the individual character video transcripts rather than having them all spelled out here. I've worked something up in the sandbox to start with.
- These should all be separate articles, with a simpler article listing them together. Why don't we try and do that? - XY 71.122.225.64 6:27 PM, March 7th, 2016 (EST)
I still say delete. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
- I notice this page still exists, 5 years later --J∃ffJMan
15:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
- Wait, how has it been 5 years?! Anyway, my opinion hasn't changed in that time. This page still strikes me as redundant, unnecessary, and unorganized. It also strikes me as an odd page to have, considering to my knowledge, we don't have any other pages compiling transcripts from other pages (except in cases where the compilation itself is part of the body of work, such as Email Intros or WarioWare D.I.Y. Compilation), and I can't see a strong reason for this one to exist. It's extremely situational; this page is exclusively for situations in which someone, for some reason, wants to view pages for all of the character videos, but not enough to bother using any of the multiple simple navigation links on the individual articles. Plus, as mentioned previously, the fun facts go against Once And Only Once policy. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 08:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Third'd, agree with all reasons above. There is no built-in "play all" function and this goes against OAOO. -- Bleu Ninja
22:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
- Third'd, agree with all reasons above. There is no built-in "play all" function and this goes against OAOO. -- Bleu Ninja
- Wait, how has it been 5 years?! Anyway, my opinion hasn't changed in that time. This page still strikes me as redundant, unnecessary, and unorganized. It also strikes me as an odd page to have, considering to my knowledge, we don't have any other pages compiling transcripts from other pages (except in cases where the compilation itself is part of the body of work, such as Email Intros or WarioWare D.I.Y. Compilation), and I can't see a strong reason for this one to exist. It's extremely situational; this page is exclusively for situations in which someone, for some reason, wants to view pages for all of the character videos, but not enough to bother using any of the multiple simple navigation links on the individual articles. Plus, as mentioned previously, the fun facts go against Once And Only Once policy.
