Talk:Character Relationships

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I feel as though we need a page like this. We already have a category, but like at Pseudocharacters. It has a categhory and a page. I think we should avoid the redirect and stick a normal page. Sam the Man 13:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

So do I, but right now we lack a clean way to present the list of pages. We use DeFender1031's page to keep track of what pages do and don't exist, but while the chart may work alright for us editors, I don't think visiting readers would be inclined to explore a page like that. The category page seems to be the cleanest we have. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 13:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I see the page. It looks good. Should I use the sandbox example and use it for the page? Sam the Man 14:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I was unaware that my page was actually used by anyone other than me... I'm touched. As for what you said, i disagree, i think the chart actually IS the cleanest method. It's clear and makes sense. Not sure it should be in the mainspace at all though. This is for a "See also" at the bottom of the relationship pages I assume? in which case I suggest a see also linking to the cat. A page such as this would violate once-and-only-once. — Defender1031*Talk 14:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I do like Defender's chart — the only drawback I see to using it in a mainspace article is that the high number of red links might make people think that those pages need to be created (most of them don't, like The Poopsmith and The Poopsmith's Relationship (unless we suddenly see a wave of introspective The Poopsmith toons)). I like Sam's test too, but honestly I think that the category might be the best way of viewing it: you can see it all on one screen. Just my opinion though. Trey56 14:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hence why I said that it shouldn't be mainspace... although, once the project has been done to its fullest i could go through and comment out the non-existant links, replacing with N/A and we could always uncomment them if there does happen to be a series of introspective poopsmith toons... — Defender1031*Talk 14:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

On a related note, I'm kinda surprised there isn't a Strong Bad's and Marzipan's Relationship article... wbwolf (t | ed) 15:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I have to say the page looks better than what I had in mind.</ego> But still, it'd be great if someone could find a good image for the page and clean it up wherever it needs cleaning (Obviously, the Poopsmith section should be removed, and I think Strong Bad and The KoT should have a relationship page). As for DeFender's idea of linking to the category, we should definitely do that. And as a final suggestion, I think a "Relationships" section should be added to each character's page. I'll get back to the Sandbox for an example. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 14:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

We also need to find a way of stopping people from creating Bub's and Strong Bad's relationship 5 times. Perhaps we should have an intro sentence like "The main relationships are listed below." – The Chort 15:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Yea, good idea. Also, there's a discussion regarding the naming of the pages over here. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 15:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Strong Bad's Relationship with Marzipan.

Genuine Hatred VS Sadistic In-Denial Crush (like Helga from Hey Arnold).

Dislike: Stealing her raddish in hopes of getting cash, telling her quite frankly in a botched answering machine prank that "This is Strong Bad & you're ugly," saying that he called all of the people he hated the least but that he was legal required to include Marzipan, requesting in several pranks that she flush her head in the toilet or run around in trafic at night dressed all in black, stealing her purse, there's one where he seems peeved that she showed up at his house unexpectedly, his reaction to Marzipan & the Cheat dating can be interprated as him finding Marzipan genuinely gross; how many times has he called her ugly? There was the time he, Strong Mad, & The Cheat egged her house, he's left messages claiming the deaths of Homestar & Pom Pom possibly in the homes of making her cry or at least leave her house, he left a message claiming to be her & said she was stupid & requested that she call herself Uglipan, he's always trying to get money or electronics & even free cable from her, he wanted to make her president of both the Goatfaced Club & Society of Total Dorks, he offered to give her a free million punches in the face, he's swayed others into leaving unsuccessful pranks on her answering machine, he bragged that he got her nothing for her birthday after spoiling the suprise of the Yellow Dello, he claims to have set a fax machine on fire in her front yard, he's suggested that she has a gigantic butt so big it has it's own congressman, & he said he'd like to see her get on the road again & get hit by a bus. Recently, he's called her Marzipole, made fun of her multiple times in a single email, fed her plants bleach & cigarette butts, & tried to drop a Piano on her.

Like: These are the hard ones to find. I remember him asking in a thick phoney accent "do you want'a my bod?" There have also been a couple of references suggesting he's getting private baking lessons with her. He did seem awfully jealous of The Cheat when he went on a secret hot date with Marzipan. Again, a reference to Helga from "Hey, Arnold!" only without the dramatic alone moments of regretting the tormenting. In his dating sim, he makes Marzipan say "Srong Bad is on-point." He left her an email claiming to have a real girlfriend, possibly hoping to make her jealous. There was an email where he tried to get Marzipan to say she liked him.

Perhaps it's a running gag that we're never supposed to know (& those are one of the coolest things about the series). The Dislike is landsliding, so feel free to add to the Like section.

Other Relationships

I know this is for the main character relationships, but shouldn't there be a page for Teen Girl Squad characters? I can think of many relationships for them (Cheerleader and What's her Face; What's Her Face and the Ugly One). And what about Cheat Commandos (Reynold and Gunhaver), or 20X6 (Stinkoman and 1-Up)? I don't know if these things would fit here, should have a new category page, or even deserves to have anything at all. Hooray4Homestar 02:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

It's possible. ThomasAndHomestarFan20 14:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Strong Mad and Homestar?

Forgive me if this has been said before or if this is the wrong place to say it- this is my first time editing the Wiki- but in light of "Play Date", should a page be created considering the SM/HR relationship? Homestar seems to show more frienliness to Strong Mad than any of the other Brothers Strong, which I find interesting.

I don't think there's many notable instances of those two interacting. BBG 20:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Relationship Ideas

Here's my ideas and why...

Homestar Runner and Strong Mad's Relationship (Homestar gives Strong Mad decent respect)

Homestar Runner and Bubs' Relationship (usually get along)

Pom Pom and The King of Town's Relationship (best of friends)

Homsar and Homsar's Relationship (he's usually talking to/with himself)

Marzipan and Pom Pom's Relationship (friends to a lesser degree)

Marzipan and Strong Mad's Relationship (secret aquiantences)

Strong Bad and The Poopsmith's Relationship (Strong Bad often gives respect to the Poopsmith)

Strong Bad and Homsar's Relationship (list of their conflict)

Strong Sad and Coach Z's Relationship (plenty of conversations)

Coach Z and The Cheat's Realationship (they're friends to a lesser degree)

What do you guys think? -ThomasAndHomestarFan20 02:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Meh, I kind of like the idea of Homestar and Bubs, but most of these don't seem important enough for a page because they're one-sided relationships. -Peter

Hmmmm... You got me there. Maybe we should make a page entitled "Minor Character Relationships" -ThomasAndHomestarFan20 23:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Ahhhh, this might be old, but allow me to put it in. I've been tossing around the idea of a page for a relationship with Strong Mad and Marzipan. The relationship is mostly good, with Marzy trying to compliment Strong Mad's stack of VHS tapes in my favorite sbemail, virus, Marzipan letting Strong Mad be in Cool Tapes, and Strong Mad was in Marzipan's classroom in coloring. --Fangoriously 14:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we're doing this wrong...

We seem to always have trouble deciding which relationships warrant a page and which don't. What if we had a page called Minor Character Relationships where we document all of the relationships, and if a section on that page becomes impressive enough, then we move it to its own page. This would alleviate much of the debate as to whether the consistant ones or the multi-faceted ones deserve pages, it would allow for a small documentation of each of the relationships, without gumming up the wiki with too many extra pages. What do you all think? — Defender1031*Talk 03:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I like it. OptimisticFool 03:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea, but we should still not get too extreme. No sections like "The Announcer and The Grape Faerie's Relationship". Maybe something like in between 2 and 10 points is on that page? -- Super Martyo boing! 03:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking it would be limited only to the relationships of the 12 main characters. THe title is a bit ambiguous (i wouldn't mind a better one) as i mean that the relationships are minor, not the characters in them. — Defender1031*Talk 03:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. But still, 2-10 points is a good guideline. However, like the three appearances rule, it should be just a general thing. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Bleh, I've never been too big on the large supply of relationship pages we have here. Some are pretty important though (Like Homestar and Marzipan, or Bubs and Coach Z). That said, I'm neutral to this idea. On the con side, it's another relationship page, and on the pro side, it stops a lot of relatively useless relationship pages from being made. Bluebry 03:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

It might be true that it's another relationship page, but it's better than having every link on Fendem's table blue. -- Super Martyo boing! 03:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, it should be noted that this idea was mentioned, but not discussed, in the topic above. -- Super Martyo boing! 04:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, actually, they all WOULD be blue, as each would probably redirect to its proper section... and about the idea above, yeah, i saw it, but i figured that my idea is a bit different (though using the same name as of now) and warranted a new section. — Defender1031*Talk 04:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the idea. If two characters don't interact in any interesting way, than it should not be documented, not even as part of a big list. We don't have to blindly document everything. Loafing 04:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that. I don't think all of these links have to be blue. By my count, that would mean 45 subheadings.. 46 counting Pom Pom and The Poopsmith's Relationship if it comes to that. That'd be overkill. But there are cases to be made for several of them, and that' my vision for the proposed article. OptimisticFool 06:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Or Just Like Minor Character Relationships Involving Homestar Runner, Minor Character Relationships Involving Strong Bad and so on, and for Characters with not much Interaction one big page, It's gonna be long.--Meaty85203 23:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...

Hasn't anyone noticed Marzipans friendship with Homsar. We shuld mention that too. 85.228.148.67 14:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Not now... but good potential... later on. I'm Jellote, and I approved this message.--Jellote 01:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

email thunder

Is it worth noting on their respective relationships pages that people who Strong Bad considers lame attended the 200th email? You know, like, he let them in his house?! There's Coach Z, Marzipan, Strong Sad, and the KOT. You know, like, he let them in his house? Strongkinghomsarsmith06:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes.--Jellote 01:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Strong Bad is normally friends with Bubs, and he attended the 200th email! Bubs, not Strong Bad. --Fangoriously 14:38, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Coach Sad?

I have definately seen many aspects of Strong Sad and Coach Z. While the Coach usually disturbs the Sad, they get along/work together often. They talk and Strong Sad is distubed. The two were Dangeresque stars. Strong sad wants to pour coffee on the coach. Anyone else agree?--Jellote 01:30, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I do, Me, Me, Me, Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!! Coach Z and Strong Sad's Relationship should be an article Meaty85203 05:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Strong Bad and the Poopsmith

Strong Bad and the Poopsmith's relationship is kind of interesting. Strong Bad is generally disgusted by the Poopsmith, but he is consistently one of the characters that Strong Bad refuses to bully or harass (for example, big white face and your friends). Although, Strong Bad does include him in "the lame characters" (jibblies 2) and "everyone I hate" (Secret Identity). See also the intro of Email thunder. With these examples and a couple more, enough for a page? -132.183.151.140 21:32, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

After looking through all the toons I could think of where they interact, I agree. Page created. -Ingiald 19:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Homestar, KOT, and Bubs' relationships

Homestar and Bubs: We do see those two frequently get along quite well, due to business, and fun stuff. Well, there is also Donut Unto Others, to which we would need the pic of the red-faced Bubs to complete the article. Don't you agree?

Homestar and KOT: Homestar did help the King find his sheep, the King saved Homestar from that pool full of Jela-Ton, and they both worked together on that crazy-hat brotherhood. Then there's the big conflict with the King calling Homestar a "currently-giant-headed-hooligan" for exposing his giblets to a gov official and the public nudity charge in Homestar Ruiner. That pic of Strong Bad disguised as Homestar with the King would do the trick, right?

Bubs and KOT: The King bought lots of harvested organs from Bubs' black market and Bubs went searching for the King's stolen crown. Then, we would need the big pic for Donut Unto Others when Bubs said he talked hard and fast. He looked pretty angry at the King. Was he threatening the King to choose his to buy from his doughnut place instead of Homestar's or something? 70.188.131.126 16:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Those seem somewhat reasonable. If you're up to it, you could start the pages and see how they develop. (If they end up rejected later, we're no worse for the wear.) -132.183.138.86 15:19, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

• • How? I don't even know how to download the pictures for these! 70.188.131.126 22:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Strong Mad and Marzipan

There is clearly proof in this relationship. Just look at Cool Tapes or Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0 I'm surprised there isn't an article on it already. H Stone W

You can create it if you want, and we'll see what becomes of it. The Knights Who Say Ni 05:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Marzipan and Bubs

Marzipan usually asks Bubs to do favors for her while he's out at the concession stand. There's Bubs teaching Marzipan in his "Toga Yoga" class, the DNA evidence bit, cheering for the Cool Tapes, the hedge clippers, and other stuff. In conflict, there's Marzipan telling Bubs how to reconstruct the concession stand, the Crazy Lady Ape affair, Bubs hating Marzipan's parties, and the stolen wig in Where My Hat is At. You think that pic of Bubs and Crazy Lady Ape would do fine? DarthWill3 14:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. This sounds interesting. You can start it. We'll see what happens. free 14:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

• • • Could anyone make a picture of Bubs being trapped by the Crate Lady Ape on top of the concession stand? DarthWill3

Strong Mad and Coach Z

I think this one justifies a page. It seems to be multi-sided, and, for simplicity's sake, I'll site most of my references from SBCG4AP. Homestar Ruiner shows the Coach acting like kind of a responsible, kind, uncle figure to Strong Mad in the Total Load cameo scene. Coach Z also refers to him as such: "[Strong Mad is] a smart kid." Strong Badia the Free shows that Strong Mad can have conflict with the Coach, as greatly evidenced by letting them collide on the game board. In most other instances, they appear to get along as well as Strong Mad and The Cheat. Because of the times when they do get along, there must be other times in conflict, but many of them are likely not shown in the toons. If they got along all the time, he likely would have made an exception for the Coach as he did for The Cheat. Strong Mad also appears to have a stronger relationship with the Coach than he does with Homestar and Bubs, frequently harming the former and stealing from the latter.

So, Could anyone respond with any thoughts to this? --HRWiki Greg 02:15, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Except from the two games, can you find any other references? Gather them up, write a page that meets the inclusion guidlines, be sure you covered all your bases before a discussion comes up, and let's see if it stays. :) — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 04:58, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Aw-wiight, I'll do that. Thanks!--HRWiki Greg 21:14, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Homsar

I was hoping to find a little on Homsar's relationship with Marzipan & Homestar. If anyone feels like adding anything, I'd appriciate a bit on these.

Strong Mad and Strong Sad

While I'm not so sure there's actually enough to warrant an article, I've always thought their relationship was an interesting one. I mean, any article that's "Strong Mad and [character]'s Relationship" can't have a whole lot given it's... well, Strong Mad, but I think there may be potential? After all, they're both galactically incapable of friend-have.--Topmonhit 19:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The Cheat and Homsar say hi. 209.148.143.215 16:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I went a head and made the page. If you got any thing to add... Guybrush20X6 23:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Minor characters

Seeing that theris a Stinkoman/1-Up page in the works I thought we could conver Senor Cardgage's section into "Reationships of Minor Characters". Guybrush20X6 13:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as how that page is up for deletion and there's strong support in that direction, I think not. — Defender1031*Talk 13:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Bubs and Pom Pom

If anyone can upload a picture of Bubs berating Pom Pom as a merchandise balloon, that'll be swell for the conflict. I've seen how they reacted towards one another in some cartoons and the games. Just need to find where to put them in order. DarthWill3 13:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Strong Bad in Carve-nival

Stuff from Pumpkin Carve-nival keeps being added to pages involving Homestar, despite it actually having been Strong Bad dressed up as Homestar. Can someone please give me any halfway valid reason why it makes sense to have Homestar's relationship pages list an interaction where Homestar was not even present, let alone involved? Yes, it LOOKS like Homestar, yes the other characters THINK it's Homestar, but really, if someone dressed up as me, went over to my best friend and told him that I hate him, would you say that I was being antagonistic to my friend, or would you say that the impersonator tried to make my friend think that I had antagonized him? I can't fathom how anyone would say the former, once it was clear that it wasn't really me. So why are we treating Strong Bad impersonating Homestar as Homestar being antagonistic? — Defender1031*Talk 13:35, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I understand what you're saying. It's Strong Bad, not Homestar. But I think you don't quite understand what I'm saying. Strong Bad judging Pom Pom's pumpkin second place doesn't show any interaction of Homestar with Pom Pom; this I agree with. However, what I'm saying is that Pom Pom doesn't know that it's Strong Bad; he thinks it's Homestar. So it's Homestar that Pom Pom gets angry at, not Strong Bad. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Lira (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I realized after that, which is why I put it back. (There's a similar entry on the page for Marzipan about her breaking up with Homestar over Strong Bad's pumpkin judging, and when I saw that, I realized what you meant.) Basically, I think the rule has to be, any sections about actions or feelings or whatever coming FROM Homestar should not list Carve-nival stuff, but any sections about the other characters' actions or feelings TOWARD Homestar should contain the entries, as they don't know until later that it's not Homestar. Does that make sense? — Defender1031*Talk 14:17, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you completely; and I'm sorry, I didn't see you had added that entry back until after I'd posted here. But yeah, that's why I was in favor of keeping the one entry, but agreed with you on deleting the other one (the one about Strong Bad calling Pom Pom his dog and such). Looks like we're in happy agreement, then. Cool! Glad we got that resolved. Lira (talk) 14:23, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

To be fair, I only got to the point where I felt the need to post this after Purple Wrench's edits to the Strong Sad relationship page, not after yours. — Defender1031*Talk 14:30, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Given that TBC stated in the commentary that the decision to have Homestar be SB in disguise was a last-minute change, it was really their intent for all those interactions before SB pops out of the costume to be Homestar's, not SB's. So I would disagree with the views posted here thus far about crediting those appearances to Strong Bad. Heimstern Läufer 14:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Regardless of the original intention, it IS Strong Bad canonically, so that appearance IS Strong Bad, not Homestar. It's a decision they made before release, and therefore it became their intention for it to be Strong Bad, even if it wasn't originally. To put it differently, it was basically a pre-release retcon. — Defender1031*Talk 14:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

My take on it is this. Yes, it's Strong Bad disguised as Homestar, regardless of what any character thinks. But if you look at the entire toon before that reveal, it appears to be Homestar in every discernible way. Not even Strong Bad's attempt at mimicking Homestar's voice is noticeable, while it is in every other occurrence. (In fact, since Homestar *is* dressed up in the same costume, we don't even know which is which; they could have both been judging the contest at the same time. But I digress.)

It is completely valid and necessary to say that it is Strong Bad disguised as Homestar, but it makes it considerably easier to find the relationship between Strong Sad and someone who acts, talks and looks exactly like Homestar under Homestar Runner and Strong Sad's Relationship, even if it's an honorable mention or variant. In fact, having an Honorable Mentions or Variants section would also make it easier to find instances like The Exact Same on Homestar Runner and Homestar Runner's Relationship, since The Exact Same "isn't" Homestar at all. -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 18:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Except the point of wiki articles is not to make it easier for people to find specific instances, it's to document the page's actual topic. In this context, it means that if it isn't actually a part of a given relationship, then it doesn't belong on a page documenting that relationship. — Defender1031*Talk 17:04, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. Does Cardboard Marzipan belong on Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship then? She's mentioned three times on the page. All of those three mentions involve only Cardboard Marzipan and Homestar, not the actual Marzipan. By your logic they don't belong on that page (other than mentioning the fact that she exists when Marzipan is away). -- ■■   PURPLE  WRENCH   ■■ 18:13, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

I feel like that's a little different, as the entire cardboard Marzi thing is a spoof of their actual relationship, and thus anything that happens between them is intrinsically highlighting some aspect of their relationship. None of the entries about cardboard marzi (nor the one entry about cardboard homestar) jump out at me as being out of place the way the Carve-nival ones did. — Defender1031*Talk 18:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

The purpose of these pages

I know things are pretty dead around here nowadays, but I'd like to ask what purpose people think these pages should serve, because to me it seems like they've kinda gone off the rails. Like, sure:

• Homestar and Marzipan are canonically in a relationship, I feel like that's notable enough to deserve its own article.
• Bubs and Coach Z are often treated as kind of a unit.
• There's the running gag of Pom Pom and The Poopsmith being alone together, since they're two characters that don't talk.
• Strictly speaking Homestar's relationship with himself probably doesn't fit the pattern but it's definitely deserving of an article and I think using this naming convention is funny enough to justify it.

And there's probably some others worthy of note, but I feel like a lot of these pages are just a few sentences that add up to "sometimes these characters get along, sometimes they don't", examples of them getting along and examples of them in conflict, so either it's not something really worth documenting or it doesn't really describe it adequately. I dunno, those are my thoughts. Freshasabagel 18:13, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I feel we should keep these pages and the interaction catalogues but the intros need fixing. They're kinda like what you do in High School when the teacher tells you to write neutral. Heck, I think most of us were in high school when they were written.

For example: "Bubs and Coach Z's relationship is a mix of three feelings. Most of the time they are best friends, though occasionally don't fully get along, and sometimes they hate each other (more often than not, it is Bubs who hates Coach Z)"

Could be shortened to something like.

"Bubs and Coach Z are generally on friendly terms with each other, though Bubs lacks the patience for some of Coach Z's stranger quirks."

Probably not that one exactly but you get the idea. Guybrush20X6 01:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)