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Is it possible to get a full panoramic picture of the club, like we did for Town_Meetin.png in [[unnatural]]? [[Special:Contributions/24.60.164.41|24.60.164.41]] 20:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Is it possible to get a full panoramic picture of the club, like we did for Town_Meetin.png in [[unnatural]]? [[Special:Contributions/24.60.164.41|24.60.164.41]] 20:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:That seems a bit more difficult. 1. They're at a round table, not in a line. 2. There's never a pan to show the exact order of the characters, and some of them, like Bubs, change position throughout the cartoon. So I don't really think it's feasible. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:That seems a bit more difficult. 1. They're at a round table, not in a line. 2. There's never a pan to show the exact order of the characters, and some of them, like Bubs, change position throughout the cartoon. So I don't really think it's feasible. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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there's nothing on this page that couldn't be on [[Ever and More!]]. It's a great cartoon and an amusing concept but the Brothers Chaps haven't done a single thing with the Order since that toon. The only other thing that really could be considered a reference to it would be Homestar singing the song in [[the movies]]. --[[Special:Contributions/70.139.9.215|70.139.9.215]] 07:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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Need a Pic of SB with his Helmet

Props to Has Matt? and Trey56 for uploading the pix used in the gallery I just made. There is currently no screen shot of SB with his helmet (or at least, not one that I can find). Can someone upload one and replace the stand-in pic with it? ΒΩΔΗ Pledge - Ever & More! 18:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The gallery looks good! I added the picture of Strong Bad you suggested. Trey56 18:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Whoops, I did the exact same thing. Must have done it at nearly the same time. Sorry about that. XDSesshoumaru CianXD
EDIT CONFLICT: Errm, I did too, so now we have three more-or-less duplicate pictures of Strong Bad wearing his miner's helmet (2 of which are true duplicates, Trey's being the odd-man due to Strong Bad having his arm raised). Now what do we do? --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 18:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hehe, let's leave the page as is, and I'll delete the duplicates, Image:Strongbadhelmets.PNG and Image:Strong Bad Miner Ever and More.png. Trey56 18:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Didn't mean to cause all the ruckus.  :-) Thanks for the quick help, though! ΒΩΔΗ Pledge - Ever & More! 18:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
And on the bright side of all this, now we know we have a bunch of people who are eager to contribute to this wiki. --Mario2.PNG Super Martyo boing! 20:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

What we don't know about

I got to admit, this page is written well. Good structure, organization and formatting. What does bother me is that most of it is about something we don't know. It's good that the writers didn't wander to the realm of speculation (much), but whole paragraphs about "This is true for others, but we don't know if it's true here" doesn't add anything to the page. Example:

Little is known of the Order's membership recruitment process, if there is one. Since the Order consists of 10 of the 11 main male cast members (missing, notably, Homsar), being a regular cast member may be part of the basis for selection. Homsar's status as "the secret guy" (Halloween Potion-ma-jig) lends further credence to this theory, since his being a full cast member is questionable.

I suggest rewriting some of the page to reflect what we do know, but keep a little about the unknown. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 09:14, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

That's quite an understatement. The article is currently at least 50% speculation. I'm'a gonna go ahead and ask myself to remove a lot of it. Loafing 10:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I went through the article and removed speculation, repetitions and events that I consider to be more relevant for the Ever and More! article. If someone is interested, they can check out the edit summaries for this edit and the next four, to see why I trimmed it down so much. I think the current size is fitting for something that was only featured once and that we know virtually nothing about. Loafing 10:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Helmet

Should the description of the Cheat's helmet be changed to "Custodian helmet", or would that just confuse the matter? I'd think it would be fine since we're already using the proper names for the Barbute and Pickelhaube. -ReverendTed 03:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

You could always just do [[Wikipedia:Custodian helmet|English bobby helmet]]. I kinda like it... Bluebry 03:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I went ahead and changed it to its official name. I just wish I had known those things had an official name in the first place. Has Matt? (talk) 03:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Miner Helmet

Should it be noted that the miner helmet may have come from the miner strong bad doodle in the sketchbook bonus feature on disk 3 of the sbemail dvds? Mr. "UB making" Foogs.Vote now on UBs! 13:09, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah, it's from cheatday, and it also appeared in different town. See Strong Bad Other Costumes. Has Matt? (talk) 15:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Handless Secret Handshake

DeFender's latest edit raises the question - are the movements to the secret handshake "unknown" because we can't see their arms, are does the secret handshake simply not require the use of hands or arms. I submit that it is the latter, since Strong Bad and the Cheat practice it with their hands behind their backs. Personally, I think that portion of the edit should be reverted, even if the original wording might need to be tweaked. Perhaps the following wording could be substituted:

Their activities include a "frothy, shaky chant" ("Ever and More!") and a secret handshake, appropriately demonstrated by Homestar and the King of Town, that does not require arms or hands.

Also, I'm pretty sure I hear "a frothy, shaky, chant" - not really sure why that got changed to "shanty" in the Transcript. -ReverendTed 03:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you listen closely, you can hear slapping sounds. SB and TC are just doing it wrong. And I also hear "shaky" but that's an issue for the talk page of the toon itself. Supporting pages follow the wording of the transcript, not vice-versa. — Defender1031*Talk 03:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
After recording the "frothy" segment and replaying it several times, it does sound as much like "shanty" as "shaky". I'll play through the handshake sections again. -ReverendTed 03:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's not discuss the shaky/shanty issue here. I've started that thread here. — Defender1031*Talk 03:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Broternal Order of Different Helmets = Freemasonry

The Broternal Order of Different Helmets is an overt reference to Freemasonry. It is a fraternal order dedicated to Brotherhood, and is famous for it's use of Secret Handshakes. Also words like Brother of Town, Treasurer Bubs , and Supreme Overlord Brotherstar Runnerbrother are equal to such Masonic Lodge Officers as Brother, Treasurer, Secretary, and Worshipful Master. — 97.102.232.196 (Talk | contribs) 13:47, 11 September 2009 (left unsigned)

There's not enough of a connection to pin it to an one specific secret society, unless you want to tell me that the masons had special headgear. — Defender1031*Talk 17:51, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
They do. http://www.masonicexchange.com/20/2/466/Product.aspx
It's called Masonic Regalia— 97.102.232.196 (Talk | contribs) 13:52, 11 September 2009 (left unsigned)
I'm not so sure that there isn't a connection. Most modern fraternities emphasize "brotherhood" and practically all of them find their roots in Freemasonry. Moreover, if you look at the Shriners page, you'll see many of them wearing funky little hats, funk-y little hats! And for those who watched the Flinstones, remember Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes and their big blue hats? At the very least, there is a connection. --Stux 18:42, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
But is the connection to societies in general that have taken these elements from the masons, or to the masons directly? — Defender1031*Talk 18:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Defender, why are you trying so hard to find a way to keep it from being the Masons? — 97.102.232.196 (Talk | contribs) 19:29, 11 September 2009 (left unsigned)
I don't quite know how to respond. I'm not trying hard at all to find a way to keep it from being a reference to the masons. I just don't think it is one. This is how discussion works. You say why you think it is, I give a logical argument why it's not, you respond to that argument with one of your own, and before you know it, you have a nice friendly debate going. — Defender1031*Talk 19:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Full-Panoramic Picture?

Is it possible to get a full panoramic picture of the club, like we did for Town_Meetin.png in unnatural? 24.60.164.41 20:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

That seems a bit more difficult. 1. They're at a round table, not in a line. 2. There's never a pan to show the exact order of the characters, and some of them, like Bubs, change position throughout the cartoon. So I don't really think it's feasible. The Knights Who Say Ni 21:55, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

deserves its own page?

there's nothing on this page that couldn't be on Ever and More!. It's a great cartoon and an amusing concept but the Brothers Chaps haven't done a single thing with the Order since that toon. The only other thing that really could be considered a reference to it would be Homestar singing the song in the movies. --70.139.9.215 07:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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