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<div>==Doppel or Toppel==<br />
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Get back to work, guys. ==<br />
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I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Does this mean... ==<br />
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]<br />
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== white screen ==<br />
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<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote><br />
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I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|&mdash;by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Doorbell ==<br />
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Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== With a vengeance ==<br />
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The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== All Ashore ==<br />
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.<br />
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Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 3 for 1 ==<br />
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The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"<br />
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Gasp! ==<br />
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For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]<br />
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== Section? ==<br />
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I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...<br />
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"<br />
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?<br />
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Extra Melty? ==<br />
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Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)<br />
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh yeah! Them. ==<br />
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I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:<br />
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*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!<br />
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*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.<br />
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*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}<br />
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<small>source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.</small><br />
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See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Right-Click Menu ==<br />
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You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I meant on the actual site page, not the SWF file itself. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==<br />
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Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force<br />
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==<br />
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Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: I sar that too. I've never seen that guy not rhyming.<br />
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== Homestar's Brim ==<br />
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Flash file deleted? ==<br />
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I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. &mdash; {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.<br />
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::::Me neither [[Special:Contributions/98.243.177.127|98.243.177.127]] 06:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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It has been [[Talk:Quote_of_the_Week#Quote_download|theorized before]] that the H*R site is hosted on multiple servers, with a load balancer to distribute between them. I think this is a pretty likely theory, and if the file was for some reason removed from one of the servers but not the other(s), that would explain why it randomly works for some people but not others. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 13:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Should there be a mirror? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I just wanted to let you other users know that it is working fine on my computer (a MacBook Air). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Thank you, knowing that you paid too much for a terrible laptop lets me know that I can disregard your opinion. [[Special:Contributions/68.18.3.42|68.18.3.42]] 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: Yes, add a mirror. I don't know why it works for YOU, but it seems definitely down. I got bupkis. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC) '''Update''' It is definitely removed. I viewed the source, and it came up flat. Just a bunch of non-flash coding. It was actually a code for a blank background. Maybe it got De-le-ted. [[User:Jellote]], again.<br />
:::::Does it like only work with macs? one of mycomputers has windows xp, and won't work. the other has Ubuntu, and still won't work. does anyone have a mac and it doesn't work?<br />
::::::I have Windows and it works fine, so that can't be it.[[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, I just shot an e-mail to the Brothers Chaps explaining the problem, including screenshots and a link to this discussion. Hopefully, the problem will be resolved as soon as they can get to it. In the meantime, thanks to whomever set up the mirror. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Blue Laser, A DAD? ==<br />
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In the second easter egg with the Blue Laser minions <br />
BLUE LASER MINION 1: You think '''dad''' just forgot to pick us up?<br />
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BLUE LASER MINION 2: You know he doesn't like it when we call him that.<br />
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Do you think that It's true?<br />
:I think we report what is said, and don't speculate. There's a whole forum where they love this sort of speculation though. Why not try there? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Hremail_7Talk:Hremail 72009-05-05T21:55:42Z<p>Stong L. Bod: /**/Wait a Sec?</p>
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You beat me to it! At least I still made the forum thread re.--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 07:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Me too! I was hoping to follow up on my Pistols for Pandas transcript success with this! Oh well, it doesn't matter; I can probably add in detail when he's done. {{User:Jagger88/sig}} 08:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Ah well. I had to get my own first time too! I'm sure there's plenty of things to fix up though. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 09:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::Well, it looks like you did a great jorb as far as I can see {{User:Jagger88/sig}} 09:53, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Apply directly to the throat! ==<br />
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Isn't it a parody to Head-On's slogan? Also, isn't the fact that it is a "throat-iforgotwhatitiwassomethingrelatedrtoclogged" is similar to the fact that powdered drinks just taste horrible and clog throats if taken dry, or something?--{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 07:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:I say it's [[TTATOT]]. Many products and medications are supposed to be applied directly to something.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Good Stuff ==<br />
:The way Homestar says "That's good stuff" reminds me of another cartoon. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 00:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::What cartoon does it remind you of? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::It personally made me think of [[environment]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's the one. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 02:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Art style? ==<br />
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The characters are all drawn in much older styles, rather than their current ones. Is this worth mentioning?<br />
:It is dated "Copyright 2001" at the beginning, and meant to take place before [[some kinda robot]], so the old art style would fit.<br />
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== Homestar's Voice ==<br />
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It seems to me that after Homestar's voice clears up, it's changed from his old voice to his modern one, suggesting that the content of the Melonade Throat Closers packet is responsible for that change. Or am I just crazy?<br />
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== Tandy email count ==<br />
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While there were 38 sbemail cartoons that had emails answered on the Tandy, [[spring cleaning]] featured five emails checked, which if counted individually, puts the email count at 43 (37 before it blew up in [[gimmicks]], though).<br />
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:And if you count that, you should also count the very first e-mail Strong Bad ever checked, (as seen in [[lady...ing]]) bringing the total up to 44. --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 17:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::[[personal favorites|"What is your favorite phrase? -Trixie"]]. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 21:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:: AND the second email in [[credit card]]. [[User:FalconPuncher/sig]] hr:min, # Month Year (LETTERS)<br />
:::Let's not forget [[Greeting Cards]], where the fourth card suggests it took place in 2002, and [[E-mail Birds]], where three emails where checked ''and'' answered. And by the way, if Strong Bad (in earliest animated style) used the Tandy to check the first e-mail from Fabrosi in lady...ing, how could there be a time in 2001 when Strong Bad gets that computer from Homestar? Now there's a little time flaw right there.--[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::And ''that's'' why I like this wiki. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::::I don't get it... why? {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 19:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== butt1 - and1 ==<br />
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The article currently lists "Butt1" as a reference to the b-ball apparel company "AND1". The reference seems a little tenuous to me. It seems to me that the only similarity is that they're both ___1 words. It could just as easily be a reference to Pier 1. I'm not to familiar with the AND1 company; is their logo or anything else similar to the Butt1 drink? Any comments? - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 13:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
: It might be seen as a play on words, using the homophones "but" and "butt".<br />
: I don't think it's a reference to "and1" or "Pier One" or any other one... it's a play on the earlier mention of there being "BUT ONE flavor" of melonade.<br />
::oh yea.. "but one flavor" makes much more sense. Though i get the "but1/and1" connection with them both being conjunctions, i think "but one flavor" makes more sense. - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 19:18, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Super Golden Crisp jingle==<br />
Homestar's song about taking a bath in melonade sounds like the 1980s jingle for Super Golden Crisp (formerly Sugar Crisp). I'm not going to put it in without mentioning it here first. Check this out: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w-eAExni4c] [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 20:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:That's what I thought, too. I was wondering if it was only me. -[[User:Brucker|Brucker]] 22:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== A drinking stretch ==<br />
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It's really a stretch, so I did add it to the article, but in April 2003 (a month after March...) Homestar order 3 cool drinks for three cool guys. He never ends up drinking it, but he talked about them. Retcon? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:And in June of '03, Homestar pours Mountain Dew on Strong Bad's computer. A bit far off... I still think the witch's brew is the best bet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:01, 4 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::But Homestar mentions witch's brew way back in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]], in October '02, so that seems like it would break said "contract" if it were indeed the drink. --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 00:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::I was about to add that, arguably, that's Strong Bad. But then... there's the Easter egg. And as I added to the page previously, Homestar is said to drink Mountain Dew in [[techno]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:At the end of [[sbemail68]] released on March 31, 2003, Homestar walks out with what Mike Chapman says is a cup of coffee perhaps punctuating the end of his contract. -- [[User:Wiki102938|Wiki102938]] 09:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Randy 400! ==<br />
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I don't know if this should be mentioned, but, randy, other than being a name also is a word meaning sexually arroused. Anyone think TBC would do that?<br />
:No. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:36, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Absolutely not.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 18:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Thats Good Stuff ==<br />
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Wasn't this phrase used for the email Enviornment? When Strong Bad watered Marzipans plants with Cigarette Butts, the coughed then said "Oh... thats good stuff!" Do you think this is an inside refrence?<br />
:It's more of a drug-use joke. I've seen this happen in some other cartoons as well before the Marzipan's plants thing. There are too few occurrences of this on H*R to classify it as a running gag, and, therefore, mention it as an Inside Reference. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 16:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== It can't be THAT unintelligible ==<br />
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It sounds to me like "I have a face, and it gets in your gut"... which doesn't make an OUNCE of sense, but that's all I can get from it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:It sounds like "Oh, I have a face, and <something> gun..." to me. "...it gets in your..." would fit where that <something> is. Again, that is also equally nonsensical, but this IS Strong Bad that's saying it. No one in that universe makes sense all the time. But "gun" would be out of left field even for them. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 16:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Okay, this is really bugging me. ==<br />
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I added it in the remark's section, but this hremail opened up a huge plot hole. Strong Bad was surprised when he discovered hremails in email thunder, but why? If he had already seen them in progress here, and in fact was convinced to start his email show because of this, wouldn't he remember his own email show's beginning? Does that bother any one else or just me? [[User:TheTylor|TheTylor]] 03:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:If you added it to remarks, what are you trying to get out of mentioning it here too? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think it's really a huge plot hole. Taking the idea and pretending it was his own, to the point that years later he has entirely forgotten that he got the idea from Homestar, or even ever saw Homestar answering emails, fits his arrogance and self-centered character to a tee. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 14:41, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Strong Bad's technical domain ==<br />
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*Strong Bad is unfamiliar with net jargon such as "email", "internet", "www", "hyperlinks", "AOL keywords", but understands and uses "domain" correctly.<br />
I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_7&diff=prev&oldid=647665 removed}} this because it seems to me he's only echoing homestar and there's no implication he knows what it means, but it got {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_7&diff=647674&oldid=647665&rcid=606811 put back}} because apparently someone thinks "the context of the phrase implies understanding. He didn't just 'echo' Homestar, but expresses competence at performing a complex task for a complete noob. think linguistically!". Rather than revert warring, i'm bringing it up here, because even though he's ACTING confident he'll be able to do it, it seems like he's doing just that, acting. It fits his personality. I don't think there's any indication at all that he knows what he's doing. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Apparently Jay {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_7&diff=647675&oldid=647674&rcid=606812 agrees}} with me... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::Hey! How dare you put words in my... what? Oh, yeah, you're right. I do agree. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::I agree too.. he could easily be just echoing... too speculative to assume he understands it - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 13:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
:::He talks about finding "my own domain" as a direct contrast to using "myname@yourname.com," which would suggest that he understands yourname.com to be the domain.[[Special:Contributions/146.122.71.68|146.122.71.68]] 20:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, but that's right after homestar implies that contrast in the first place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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==Strong Bad is a liar==<br />
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Okay, let me finally clear this up. Strong Bad wouldn't mind showing he knows Homestar's email address in some SBemails, but in [[Email Thunder]], he is surprised. Or acting surprised. You see, getting an email show idea from Homestar is not cool, so Strong Bad would act surprised and even deny he thought Homestar had an email address, just to cover up this event that he had no control over. More to back this up is that he later lied by saying he doesn't know how to type with boxing gloves and Abdi, in the Homestar Runner universe, only emailed Strong Bad because The Cheat made him. My theory is that he'd also lie about where he got the email show idea (or an email address in general). {{unsigned|TheFunmachine|11:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:This discussion would be more appropriate on the forum, as it really has nothing to do with the ''article'' here on the wiki. That said, I agree. (and his lies are [[Blatant Lies|pretty well documented]]). I think it's quite likely that his surprise in Email Thunder was genuine, after enough time denying the truth, it gets pushed out of conscious thought and he truly believes his version of history. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 15:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Wait a Sec? ==<br />
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In the Sbemail [[Gimmicks]] Strong Sad says that Strong Bad got the Tandy at a garage sale for like 15 dollars! But here he got it out of the trash for like free! I think that's a major goof! --[[User:Stong L. Bod|Stong L. Bod]] 21:55, 5 May 2009 (UTC)</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/PotatePotate2009-04-15T02:57:16Z<p>Stong L. Bod: </p>
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<div>[[Image:Potate_bag.png|thumb|right|210px|Early morning Potate]]<br />
'''Potate''' is the resident brand name of certain potatoes and potato chips in [[Free Country, USA]]. In the [[Old-Timey]] cartoons, [[Sickly Sam]] normally wears a Potate sack instead of a shirt, and [[Strong Bad]] is occasionally seen with a Potate brand potato chip bag on his hand or his head when he wakes up. Potate brand potatoes are also one of the many [[The King of Town's Food|foods]] that [[The King of Town]] enjoys eating, and they has been seen stored in his [[King of Town's Castle|pantry]]. <br />
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In [[retirement]], Strong Bad uses Potate chips (as well as several other brands of potato chips, including Chippety Chomps!, [[Chippies!]], and "Flavored Triangles") as his "anti-depressant medication". He gets the chips at [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] with what he referrs to as a "prescription." According to Strong Bad, the chips in this cartoon are Italian-herb-chipotle-buffalo-ranch-guacamole-Thai-peanut-style flavor.<br />
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== Appearances ==<br />
===Modern===<br />
*Email [[morning routine]]<br />
*Email [[the bet]]<br />
*Email [[cheatday]]<br />
*Email [[garage sale]] ''(out of frame in the flash file)''<br />
*Email [[retirement]]<br />
*[[Why Come Only One Girl?]]<br />
*[[SBCG4AP Gameplay Trailer]]<br />
*[[Homestar Ruiner]]<br />
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===Old-Timey===<br />
*[[Parsnips A-Plenty]]<br />
*[[Ballad of The Sneak]]<br />
*[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (Easter egg)<br />
*[[That A Ghost]]<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
*[[Chippies!]]<br />
*[[Potatoes]]<br />
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[[Category:Food and drinks]]</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/bottom_10bottom 102009-04-13T18:04:17Z<p>Stong L. Bod: </p>
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<div>{{sbenav|133}}<br />
[[Image:Strong Bad Email 133.png|thumb|"Buttdance again! Like the rhythm's down your pants now!"]]<br />
<br />
Strong Bad tells us his "bottom 10."<br />
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'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Horrible Painting]], {{Film|Marshie}}, [[Nibbles]], {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, [[Unseen Characters|Lady]], [[Limozeen]]<br />
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'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]], [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[The Field]]<br />
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{{Comp|Lappy 486}}<br />
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'''Date:''' Monday, July 11, 2005<br />
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'''Running time:''' 4:59<br />
<br />
'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486<br />
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{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Five}}, {{dvd|Sbemails' 50 Greatest Hits DVD|notitle=true}}<br />
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== Transcript ==<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' This email is making fun of you.<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="lappy email"><br />
<div>subject: Bottom 10</div><br />
To Weak Bad<br><br />
What is your bottom 10?<br />
<br><br />
From someone stronger than you</blockquote><br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh man, this person made all kinds of typos. Lemme type this...<br />
<br />
''{He changes "Weak Bad" to "Strong Bad".}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' They forgot this...<br />
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''{He adds "the Good Dancer" after "Strong Bad".}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' They got this wrong...<br />
<br />
''{He changes "Someone stronger than you" to "Someone that is ''a girl''" with the phrase "a girl" italicized and in pink.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, there we go! ''{typing}'' Oh, Simone! You seem like a ''{in pink}'' ''really'' nice girl, so I'll answer your question ''{in pink}'' ''relatively'' free of charge. "Strong Bad's Bottom 10" is as follows:<br />
<br />
''{Cut to Strong Badia. The "Strong Bad's Bottom 10" Logo flies in from the top of the screen.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Number Ten is easy. Dry T-Shirt Contests.<br />
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''{A Dry T-Shirt contest flyer for J. Stumblers Bar and Sometimes Grill flies in from the top.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' You'll never find a more degrading contest or a larger waste of not water.<br />
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''{The flyer flies away.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Creeping in at Numbah Nine is that horrible painting that's been in Strong Mad's closet since we were little. <br />
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''{Dramatic music starts playing, and we cut to the door of Strong Mad's closet. Strong Bad is there, sliding the door open slowly.}''<br />
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'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' ''{menacing, under its breath}'' Come on in heeeeere.<br />
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''{Strong Bad screams and slams the door. He begins flailing around, uttering "jibblie" over and over, almost incoherently. Cut back to Strong Badia.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Incidentally, the jibblies currently occupy Slot number Eleven ''{numbers ten and nine shift up to show'' <nowiki>*</nowiki>11. The Jibblies <nowiki>*</nowiki>Not in bottom 10 ''in gray}'' on my Bottom 10. ''{Number eleven slides out of frame. Ten and nine return to their former positions.}'' Numboo Eight is the one you should ''all'' pay close attention to: Emails with more than one "Fwd:" or "Re:" ''{pronounces "fwd" and "re" as written}'' in the Subject line.<br />
<br />
''{Cut to the computer room. Strong Bad is preparing to answer an email.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Back out of my way, so I can check some email.<br />
<br />
''{Strong Bad presses enter, and the email appears. However, the subject line fills up the screen, consisting entirely of "Fwd:" and "Re:". The subject line continues scrolling while Strong Bad talks.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, great. Let me guess: ''{in a mocking voice}'' "It's true! You saw it on the news!" Or, "Hey, sounds crazy, but thought it was worth a shot!"<br />
<br />
''{Cut back to Strong Badia.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, a shot in the face, maybe. Now, Seven is something that's been going on for ''way'' too long. Miniaturized versions of already bite-sized food.<br />
<br />
''{An ad for Fluffy Puff Marshmallows appears.}''<br />
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'''MARSHIE:''' Yowza! Guess who birfday<!-- Yes, it's birfday. Listen closer if you think it's not. --> it is! ''{a question mark appears}'' Mine!<br />
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''{The lights suddenly go out, and Marshie winces in pain as the noise of an electric shock plays. A miniature Marshie walks onto the screen, with Homsar's movement noise.}''<br />
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'''NIBBLES:''' ''{Marshie appears to be getting mad during the time Nibbles is saying this}'' Sorry, Marshie, but it's ''my'' birfday. I'm one years old. My name's Nibbles, for new Fluffy Puff Marshmallows bite-si&mdash;<br />
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'''ANNOUNCER:''' ''{cutting Off Nibbles}'' All-new Fluffy Puff Bite-Size Nibblers are perfect for newborn-type babies ''{a baby emerges from a mountain of Nibblers, and then ducks back down}'', and scalding hot chocolate ''{pull back to reveal the marshmallows atop a cup of hot chocolate, which catches on fire}''. No more mouth strain with Fluffy Puff Nibblers!<br />
<br />
''{A mouth is shown straining at a full-size marshmallow. The caption reads "You Got Mouth Strain?" with a red circle and line "no" symbol drawn through it. The symbol rolls away as the marshmallow changes to a Nibbler. The mouth smiles and the caption reads "Heck No!!"}''<br />
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'''NIBBLES:''' I make good earplugs, too.<br />
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'''MARSHIE:''' ''{Flies onto the screen and knocks Nibbles away.}'' Get out of here, you little runt! ''{Marshie winces again, causing the electrical shock noise to return. The commercial suddenly pauses, and PAUSE appears on the bottom-left corner of the screen.}''<br />
<br />
''{Cut back to Strong Badia.}''<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' And-a Numba Six-a: the Foul Stench of Wet The Cheat.<br />
<br />
''{Cut to The Field. The Cheat is standing there, soaked and shivering. Next to him, is a ladder, a cup, and a sign that says "HIGH DIVES &ndash; 5 bucks." Cut back to Strong Badia.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' And number Five, um... not... ''{music stops}'' pigeons. ''{a pigeon starts cooing}'' They eat breadcrumbs. Take craps on people. Funny stuff. NUMBER FOUR! ''{music plays again}'' There was this one time where I had to hug a tree.<br />
<br />
''{Cut to the field. Strong Bad and Homestar are there, and Strong Bad is hugging a tree.}''<br />
<br />
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Keeeep ooon huggin' it.<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' How did you get me to do this in the first place?<br />
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'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hug it! Hug it!<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' And why do I continue to do it?<br />
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'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Keep on huggin' it. Hug it down.<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' I don't even like this tree that much.<br />
<br />
''{Cut back to Strong Badia.}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Ooh, now we're getting to the good ones. Number Three is the ridiculous trend of giving chocolate desserts dangerous names. You know, like, Chocolardiac Arrest. ''{a picture of Chocolardiac Arrest appears}''<br />
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'''LADY:''' ''{Voice}'' Oh, that looks ''sinful.''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Or... THIS BROWNIE MIGHT KILL YOU. ''{a picture of said brownie appears}''<br />
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'''LADY:''' ''{Voice}'' Oh, this is so ''rich.''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Or, quite possible the least appetizing name of all time... Chocozuma's Revenge! ''{a picture of Chocozuma's Revenge appears}''<br />
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'''LADY:''' ''{Voice}'' This is all fat-free, right?<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' Shut up, lady! ''{the pictures slide off the top of the screen}'' Slumming in at Number Two are songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics. As evidenced in Limozeen's bizarrely titled "Feed The Childrens." ''{the album art of "Feed The Childrens" appears}''<br />
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<div id="Feed_The_Childrens"><br />
'''LIMOZEEN SOLO:''' <br><br />
Na, na, la la laaaaa,<br><br />
Hey, hey! Doo-doot doo! <sup><small>[[#Footnote|[1]]]</small></sup><br><br />
Na, na, la la laaaaa,<br><br />
Hey, hey! Doo-doot doo!<br />
<br />
'''LIMOZEEN:''' <br><br />
Na, na, la la laaaaa,<br><br />
Hey, hey! Doo-doot doo!<br />
<div><br />
<br />
''{A record scratches, the song stops, and the album art slides off the screen}'' <br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh, what were they thinking? More like, "We need to feed our children, so we made this terrible song." And, the Number One item on Strong Bad's Bottom 10 is Th&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey Strong Bad. ''{camera zooms out to a two-shot of Homestar and Strong Bad}'' What about my bottom&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{interrupting}'' Nobody wants to hear ''your'' bottom 10, Homestar.<br />
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'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' No, no. Not my Bottom 10. My bottom! You know, ''{turns around and starts doing a buttdance, singing}'' buttdance again, like the rhythm's down your pants now!<br />
<br />
''{Homestar stops and turns around again, looking on in confusion as Strong Bad begins to make vomiting noises. Cut to the Lappy, which has the Bottom 10 displayed, where Strong Bad then vomits onto his keyboard, off camera.}'' <br />
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'''STRONG BAD:''' Oooh. Ugh. ''{weakly}'' And the Number One item on Strong Bad's Bottom 10 is... Th ''{typing}'' cleaning up your own puke off the keyboard. ''{clears the screen}'' Simone, that'll be $7.50. And bring some paper towels. Eww. And some tweezers. I think I see a Fluffy Puff Nibblin in there.<br />
<br />
''{[[The Paper]] comes down. After about fourteen seconds, the cursor reappears and Strong Bad continues:}''<br />
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'''STRONG BAD''': ''{weakly}'' No, there's no Easter eggs. I... I'm not up to it. Go away.<br />
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<br />
===Footnote=== <br />
# This line, and the ones like it, may be "Hey, hey! Doot doo!"<br />
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== Fun Facts ==<br />
<br />
===Strong Bad's Bottom 10===<br />
<div style="background:url(/images/thumb/0/0b/Generic_Bottom_10.PNG/600px-Generic_Bottom_10.PNG); width: 600px; height: 432px; margin: 1em 0; position:relative"><br />
<div style="position:absolute; left: 45px; top: 3px; width: 200px; height: 30px; font-weight: bold; color: yellow; font-size: 20px">Strong Bad's</div><br />
<div style="position:absolute; left: 20px; top: 130px; width: 580px; height: 282px; font-weight: bold; color: black"><br />
1. Thcleaning up your own puke off the keyboard<br /><br />
2. Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's<br /><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;as legit lyrics<br /><br />
3. Giving chocloate <!--sic--> desserts dangerous names<br /><br />
4. There was this one time I had to hug a tree<br /><br />
5. Um...not pigeons<br /><br />
6. Foul stench of wet The Cheat<br /><br />
7. Miniaturized versions of already bite-sized food<br /><br />
8. Emails with more than 1 fwd: or re: in the subject line<br /><br />
9. That horrible painting in Strong Mad's closet<br /><br />
10. Dry t-shirt contests</blockquote><br />
</div></div><br />
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*The bottom 10 as typed on the Lappy:<br />
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<blockquote class="lappy email"><br />
1. Thcleaning up your own puke off the keyboard<br /><br />
2. Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's<br /><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;as legit lyrics<br /><br />
3. Giving chocloate <!--sic--> desserts dangerous names<br /><br />
4. There was this one time I had to hug a tree<br /><br />
5. Um...not pigeons<br /><br />
6. Foul stench of wet The Cheat<br /><br />
7. Miniaturized versions of already bite-sized food<br /><br />
8. Emails with more than 1 fwd: or re: in the subject line<br /><br />
9. That horrible painting in Strong Mad's closet<br /><br />
10. Dry t-shirt contests</blockquote><br />
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===Explanations===<br />
*An email forwarded because it was "on the news" or "worth a shot" is a reference to a myriad of urban legends, or chain letters, in particular the [[Snopes:inboxer/nothing/billgate.asp|something-for-nothing forward hoax]].<br />
*"Miniaturized versions of already bite-sized food" include such items as Ritz [http://www.nabiscoworld.com/ritzbits/ Bits], M&M's [http://www.mms.com/us/about/products/mmsminis/ Minis], Hershey's Bites, and M&M/Mars' Pop'ables.<br />
* Real life "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics" include "[http://www.songfacts.com/detail.lasso?id=713 Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye]" by [[Wikipedia:Steam (band)|Steam]], "[[Wikipedia:Hey Jude|Hey Jude]]" by [[The Beatles]], and [[Wikipedia:Cannibal & the Headhunters|Cannibal & the Headhunters]]' rendition of "[[Wikipedia:Land of a Thousand Dances|Land of a Thousand Dances]]". <!--we could have a hundred examples here; please keep it to these three--><br />
*Limozeen's song is likely a reference on the recent [[Wikipedia:Live 8|Live 8]] or older [[Wikipedia:Live Aid|Live Aid]] concerts/albums. The title "Feed the Childrens" is also similar to the "Feed the Children" songs played at these events.<br />
*Chocolate desserts with dangerous names include desserts like [http://www.apricot.com/Food/DeathByChocolate.html Death by Chocolate], [http://www.aswaseattle.com/images/DA_ChocolateSuicide.jpg Chocolate Suicide], and [http://www.recipesource.com/desserts/chocolate/01/rec0144.html Chocolate Avalanche]. <!--we could have a hundred examples here; please keep it to these three--><br />
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===Trivia===<br />
*When viewing the Flash file, the sign on Strong Mad's closet reads "STRONG MAD RD."<br />
*This is the first email without any clickable Easter eggs since Email #39, [[property of ones]].<br />
*The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#wraith|wraith]]".<br />
*This is the first time Strong Bad says "[[Shut up, lady]]!"<br />
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===Remarks===<br />
*One of the two brownies pictured in Chocozuma's Revenge is [[Food Still In Peel or Package|still inside its wrapper]]. The [[pudding]] on top is also still in its container.<br />
*Strong Bad possibly makes a grammatical error when he writes "la la's, na na's, and doot do's:" the use of apostrophes makes these words possessive, not plural, unless their coherence is threatened by the apostrophes' absence. <br />
*Strong Bad tried to pass off nonsense words as legit lyrics in [[secret recipes]], [[local news]], [[action figure]], [[stupid stuff]], [[monument]], and [[colonization]] (Easter egg).<br />
*Strong Bad can type with puke on his keyboard.<br />
*Strong Bad refers to email with more than one "Fwd:" or "Re:" in the subject line. While this was once a common annoyance, many modern email clients and web email services are sophisticated enough to not prepend these to the subject line if already there.<br />
*Strong Bad [[Fourth Wall Breaks|breaks the fourth wall]] by telling the audience that there's no Easter eggs.<br />
*Strong Bad's opening song, "This email is making fun of you...", is rather ironic considering the subsequent email is making fun of Strong Bad.<br />
*After puking, Strong Bad says that he sees a "Fluffy Puff Nibblin in there." However, in the earlier commercial, the small Fluffy Puffs were named Fluffy Puff Nibblers.<br />
<br />
===Goofs===<br />
*When you click on the Lappy's screen, no ripples come up.<br />
*When you see Strong Bad's list on his normal computer screen in the background, "chocolate" is incorrectly spelled as "chocloate".<br />
<!-- Although it's hard to see, Strong Bad's reflection DOES move in the fwd: and re: section. See talk page. --><br />
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===Glitches===<br />
*At the end of the e-mail, the cursor disappears after Strong Bad has typed "I think I see a Fluffy Puff Nibblin in there." It reappears a few seconds before Strong Bad claims there are no Easter eggs.<br />
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===Inside References===<br />
*The Marshie commercial pausing at the end is similar to the [[Character Videos|character videos<!--this link is different from the one below-->]].<br />
*The mouth in the marshmallow eating diagram is adapted from [[english paper]] with the battery changed to a marshmallow.<br />
*Homestar's [[buttdance]] is from his [[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript|character video<!--this link is different from the one above-->]].<br />
*Strong Bad also got the [[jibblies]] in [[your friends]] and [[date]], although not as severely.<br />
*Strong Bad also asked for $7.50 in [[radio]].<br />
*This is another occurence of [[puking]] on the site.<br />
*The three chocolate desserts are examples of [[concoctions]].<br />
*All three desserts are examples of [[Real-Live Foods|live action foods]].<br />
*Strong Bad has [[Not X|not pigeons]] on his bottom 10.<br />
<!-- "Bring some paper towels" has been deemed a non-reference on STUFF. Please do not add it. --><br />
<!-- No tree hugging references. Both went through STUFF and were declined. --><br />
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===Real-World References===<br />
*Chocolardiac Arrest is a reference to [[Wikipedia:cardiac arrest|cardiac arrest]], the cessation of normal circulation of the blood due to failure of the ventricles of the heart to contract effectively. <br />
*Chocozuma's Revenge is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Montezuma's Revenge|Montezuma's Revenge]], used today to describe travelers' illness, usually gastrointestinal. It was first coined during the Spanish conquest of the [[Wikipedia:Aztec|Aztecs]] in 1519&ndash;1520 by [[Wikipedia:Hernan Cortez|Hernán Cortés]]. The debilitating diarrhea that the conquistadors' troops suffered in the jungles of today's [[Wikipedia:Mexico|Mexico]] was attributed to the force of the deposed Aztec ruler, [[Wikipedia:Moctezuma II|Moctezuma II]].<br />
**Chocolardiac and Chocozuma are both [[portmanteaus]].<br />
*The Bottom Ten list is presented in the same manner as the [[Wikipedia:Top Ten list (David Letterman)|Top Ten list]] on [[Wikipedia:The Late Show with David Letterman|The Late Show with David Letterman]].<br />
**The [[Podstar Runner]] summary for the e-mail is a reference to the way Letterman introduces his Top Ten list. [[wikipedia:Scottsdale, Arizona|Scottsdale, Arizona]] (misspelled with just one "t" in the summary) has, at one point, been an actual "[[wikipedia:Cities that have been David Letterman's Home Office|home office]]" of the list.<br />
*The scene showing The Cheat wet and shivering insinuates that he dove into the glass of water from the ladder. This is most likely a reference to several older cartoons (such as [[Wikipedia:Bugs Bunny|Bugs Bunny]]) where a character did the same thing.<br />
*On Limozeen's album cover, the F on "Feed the Children" is the same F used by Fender, a company that manufactures Guitars<br />
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===Fast Forward===<br />
*The Horrible Painting would reappear in pumpkin form in [[More Fan Costumes]], and as the major antagonist in [[Jibblies 2]].<br />
*The Cheat is wet again in [[DNA Evidence]].<br />
*Strong Bad himself would later sing a song with "Na Nas" as 'legit lyrics' in a song about the [[the S is for Sucks Dragon|S is for Sucks Dragon]] in [[Trogday 08]].<br />
*The lady who says that a "Chocolardiac Arrest" is "sinful" would repeat her line in an Easter egg in the email [[buried]].<br />
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== DVD Version ==<br />
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.<br />
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===Commentary Transcript===<br />
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]]. [[Matt Chapman]] and [[Karen Wagner]])<br />
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'''MIKE:''' We are joined by our sister, Karen Wagner, ''{pronounced in the German manner, with a V}'' famed, uh, composer. Karen Wagner.<br />
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'''KAREN:''' Also known as The Sister Chap who takes care everything at the Homestar Store.<br />
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'''MIKE:''' That's true.<br />
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'''MATT:''' Thanks, Karen. <br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Yeah, thanks Karen.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{overlapping}'' You're welcome. And I've been bugging you guys forever to let me do the commentary for Bottom 10.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' So, now's your chance. Make it count. Karen, go!<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Okay, I gotta tell you that I like this email. It's my favorite email&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' ''{interrupting}'' That's awesome, Karen! All right, Matt, so&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{overlapping}'' Because&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' &mdash;what do you think about this email?<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''Because it's so rich'' and that, that becomes a joke later on.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' ''{as Strong Bad}'' Shut up, lady.<br />
<br />
''{laughter}''<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' You made, uh, there was an old-timey mustache guy that was the, uh, mascot for J. Stumblers originally, Mike.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Oh, really?<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' I think so. He was kinda like stumbling.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Yeah. Okay, right.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' The old-timey guy was like wooooah...<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Where is he?<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' I dunno. You just drew a picture. You probably got it somewhere.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{overlapping}'' I love that monster. Especially&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' That was based on a, um, painting that, uh, my friend Jason Fields had in college that his mom did that he had on the wall of this weird creepy goblin. <br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Well and the thing that it says is, uh, another, yet another thing we owe my friend Neil thousands of dollars for because it's idea number twenty-two that came from Neil. Uh, was&mdash; It's the voice of a rocoulm, which is a crook or a criminal and he's a creepy guy that hides in an alley and when you walk by, he says "Come on in here..."<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{laughs}''<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' And then you go in there and he mugs you or something.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{laughs}'' Yeah, that is one of the things to contribute to, attribute to Neil.<br />
<br />
''{Marshie comes on}''<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Yep, here's another reason why it's ''so rich'' is because it has a little commercial here with um, Marshie and, uh&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MATT and MIKE:''' Nibbles.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Nibbles.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Nibbles I made years ago and it was sitting around not being used for anything for a couple years.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Yeah.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' I think it got&mdash; It reached new lows when M&Ms, when there's a mini-M&M. M&Ms are very small.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Yeah.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' To begin with.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Or like Oreo minis. Or like, Ritz Bits, I feel like were one of the first things. It was just like, but it's a cracker! It's like one and a half inches around, like it's this tiny thing that&mdash; If you can't eat that in a bite, then something is wrong with you.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' ''{overlapping}'' Too much mouth strain.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Yeah. If you are suppose to eat, uh, you know, pieces of sushi that are five times the size of a Ritz Bit in one bite.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Then you can certain eat a whole Ritz in one bite.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Exactly.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Okay. All right.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' ''{simultaneously}'' Was that you doing that pigeon voice?<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' You guys gotta shut up because I've got to tell you a story about this. You know [[Little Girl]] and I have incorporated this little bit into our daily lives. You do, you add any verb at all. "Keep on doing it. Do it! Do it down!" ''{laughs}'' And Chris hates it.<br />
<br />
''{all laugh}''<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Okay, here's another thing I gotta tell you guys about. Because this is ''{pause}'' what everybody has to say when there is a rich dessert in front you. You have to say, "Oh, this is rich."<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Usually, a cheesecake.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Yeah.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Right.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' This was really fun to make, though. We went over to our&mdash; to [[Ryan Sterritt|Ryan]]'s house, actually one night. We just went to the store and bought like 20 dollars worth of chocolate stuff&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Uh huh.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' &mdash;and started piling it on. And then, it was actually really good. We ate it afterwards.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Afterwards, we all ate it.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' It was really good. And&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' And here's another rich part of this. It's got an appearance by Limozeen.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' It's true. It's kind of a best, a best of.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' And, you know, you got the, um, necessary little a cappella part there.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' The breakdown. <br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' It just gets the whole crowd, you know.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Clapping at the same time.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' The lights are like flashing along.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' ''{simultaneously}'' The lights flash.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Okay, here's another reason&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' I forgot what it is. Oh, yeah.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' And the fact that there is another appearance of the Buttdance, you know, she just loves it.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' It's like&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Let's twist again, like we did last summer. It's a sequel to the song.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Like the rhythm's down your pants.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' There's a lot of, uh, gross, um, vomit related jokes on our website.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Really?<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' I feel like there are. We should probably curb that.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' There's&mdash; I don't think they're gross. You don't even see it.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' That's true. We always&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' What other one are you talking about?<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' There's, uh, the [[Radio Stations and Shows#The AM Morning "CRUDE" Crew|Stoops and Gusso logo]], one of them is just throwing up.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' One them&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' One them has an arrow through their head and one of them is puking. That's what the morning crew is all about.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Oh, and now the one with, uh, Strong Bad says he's&mdash;<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' It's over.<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Okay. ''{laughs}''<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' That's when&mdash; When, the paper comes down, you always gotta end it.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' No wait. Wait! <br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Oh, is this&mdash; Is it still going?<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Oh, right, no easter eggs. He's too, he's not up to it. He's not up to it.<br />
<br />
'''MATT:''' Hurry up, say what you're gonna say!<br />
<br />
'''KAREN:''' Oh, I forget.<br />
<br />
'''MIKE:''' Good job.<br />
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===Fun Facts===<br />
*"Come on twist again, like we did last summer" is a quote from "Let's Twist Again" by [[Wikipedia: Chubby Checker|Chubby Checker]].<br />
*Stoops and Gusso was referenced in [[radio]].<br />
*The way that the Brothers Chaps pronounced Karen Wagner's last name with a V and compared her to a composer is a reference to famed composer, [[Wikipedia:Richard Wagner|Richard Wagner]].<br />
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== External Links ==<br />
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{{Strong Bad Email}}<br />
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[[Category: Emails With DVD Commentary]]</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Stinkoman_20X6Talk:Stinkoman 20X62009-04-12T19:25:23Z<p>Stong L. Bod: /**/stupid glitches!!!</p>
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== XML ==<br />
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Did anyone notice that you can download and edit the XML files to create new levels? This could be good for the Fanstuff Wiki, if anyone gets it working. --[[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]<br />
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- Care to share where they are? :) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 18:05, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
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Well, I think you have to edit the flash file to get them to work offline first (which is not too hard). They are at:<br />
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[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/levelData/level1.1.1.xml]<br />
[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/levelData/level1.1.2.xml]<br />
[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/levelData/level1.2.1.xml]<br />
[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/levelData/level1.2.2.xml]<br />
[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/levelData/level1.3.3.xml]<br />
[http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/stinkogame.swf]<br />
<br />
Those are the ones I found in my temp folder (even though I didn't get to those levels). If you go to ''View'' -> ''Page Source'' in Firefox, you can kinda figure out how it works (maybe). --[[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]<br />
''Edit: Darn, the links don't work. They are in some other folder. Once I figure out the folder name, the game will work offline. And they don't show up on Google yet.''<br />
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Ooh - found it - They're in another folder called "levelData."<br />
[[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]<br />
<br />
-As a note for other people wanting to edit, you need to get the 5 level files, the main swf, and the object library: [http://homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/objectLibrary.swf]. (You can see some game graphics if you view that file)<br />
<br />
It's a pretty simple almost-XML format, I'm making a level editor for it now.<br />
[[User:Travis Wells|Travis Wells]]<br />
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:Woah. New enemy in that library. If anything confirms another set of levels coming up, that would. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:07, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Hey, I was just about to make a level editor for it, but it probably won't be very good. [[User:Ed smildE|<font face="tw cen mt">E<small>D</small>S<small>MILDE</small></font>]]<br />
<br />
:Hey, if you decompile the flash file for the game you'll see there is already a level editor in there on the script for sprite 761. Unfortunately I don't know anything about flash, so I don't know what to do with that, or how to get to it, but someone must.<br />
<br />
:I'm working on an editor written in VB using the MSXML library. --[[User:ackicantthinkofaname|breadtangle]] 18:30, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
I know all about Flash, but I don't have a decompiler -NonHacka<br />
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'''NOTE:''' With the release of Stinkoman 20X6 v6, those links have become outdated. The new ones are [[User:Venusy#Complete list of files used to mod Stinkoman 20X6|here]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:48, 4 August 2005 (BST) <br>'''EDIT:''' Moved all links to my user page.<br />
<br />
Arghh...I Made the installation program but i need a site to upload it onto.<br />
Can someone tell me one? --- [[User:Pertmywert|<small>[[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]|<sub>[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Pertmywert|Contributions]]</sub></small>]]<br />
:[mailto:phlipping@yahoo.com Email] it to me and I'll host it for you, if you'd like. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 08:02, 5 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
::http://phlip.websiteallies.com/Stinkoman_20X6_Install.exe --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 12:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::: Thanks philip for hosting it but remember i made it<small>[[User:Pertmywert|Joel]]|<sub>[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Pertmywert|Contributions]]</sub></small><br />
<br />
:::: Pertmywert has sent me the new version: http://phlip.websiteallies.com/Stinkoman_20X6_Install_v3.exe - I'll keep the v2 one up incase anyone's interested. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 23:44, 9 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
I already have a great working editor for this game, a new version has just been released. Check it out here: http://joesarcade.tripod.com/cgi-bin/stinkoedit.cgi<br />
<br />
Hey the link above doesn't work anymore!<br />
I fixed it, here are some mirrors: http://joesarcade.tripod.com/cgi-bin/stinkoedit.cgi<br />
<br />
Can someone please make a level editor compatible with MacOS?--[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:38, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Sure. http://thewafflebase.ath.cx/~blah/Stinko.pkg [[User:Zowayix|Zowayix]] 06:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
*OH WHAT THE CRAP!!!! Do need Flash or something for this? Not Flash Player, but the animator thingie? Every time I click on a link it doesnt work!!! PLEASE HELP!!!<br />
<br />
:Which links are you trying to click on, the ones in this section, the ones on the [[Stinkoman 20X6]] page, or the ones on my user page? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:50, 4 August 2005 (BST)<br />
<br />
Level Editor Update (version 9.4)<br />
http://joesarcade.tripod.com/cgi-bin/stinkoedit.cgi<br />
<br />
--<br />
All right... I'm a bit lost.<br />
I'm attempting to do that thing whee you can play the Stinkogame offline, and I have the Source Files [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Stinkoman_20X6_Source_Files] page and the Level Editor [http://joesarcade.tripod.com/cgi-bin/stinkoedit.cgi] page open aaaaand my brain explode.<br />
Can anyone tell me what to do next, please? @_@ -Σ<br />
--<br />
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== Weird glitch. ==<br />
<br />
My brother's a big fan of this game. One day, long ago, we we're checking out the Continue Menu, and ALL THE LEVELS WERE THERE!!!!<br />
My brother noticed the strange thing that happened, and swore that he didn't make all this happen. He didn't have a clue of what was going on. Then I thought, ''This is obviously a rare glitch. I didn't do anything.'' So now when I see "stinkoman level <#>!" on the<br />
main page, I go the game and click "CONTINUE" and I check it out. Pretty cool, huh? I'm just wondering if anyone else expierenced this glitch. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 20:14, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:That's not a glitch. Everyone can access all the levels, at all times. The only time when levels were hidden was when there were only three. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:19, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
:: Well, also, you can't access stage #.2 until you beat #.1. But you can access all of the #.1s at any time. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:20, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::Right, forgot about that. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:22, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::Oh yeah, and when a new level is released, the previously released one's .2 is now accessible. - [[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]]<br />
I see. That's probably also why my grandmother's computer has it too. Oh welll. List of levels my brother hasn't beaten yet:<br />
<br />
Levels:<br />
<br />
*5.2 (It's pretty hard, my brother can't get though the uptants in a row)<br />
<br />
*7.2 (My brother has beaten this level at grandmother's, but when we came back it was gone.)<br />
<br />
*8.1 (For some reason, it came out today. My brother can't play it because he's still asleep. That, and the computer can't access the game.)<br />
<br />
*8.2 (Ditto.)<br />
<br />
Bosses:<br />
<br />
*Tampo (Even if it's the first level boss. it was supposed to be easy.)<br />
*Nebulon (If you can't beat the .2 level, you can't see/beat the boss.)<br />
*The Liekand (He has seen it, though.)<br />
*An Ice Machine (Ditto with The Leikand.)<br />
*Unnamed Boss (For the reason he can't play Level 8.)<br />
<br />
G'bye. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:17, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
*Well, TBC are assuming you've beat all the levels so far, and doesn't want good players to get frustrated at playing the levels all over again each time stinkoman updates. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 00:56, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Let me get ths straight. You were able to gain access to all of the levels? How did you do it? Were you able to get to level 10? -[[User:Lotionman|Lotionman]] 07:51, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)Lotionman<br />
: This is 100% normal. You can reach stage 1 of every level no matter what, at least, since level 4 was released. Of course he wasn't able to get to level 10. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:10, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
oopsyoubwokeit, the name of that "unnamed boss" was Ekersby.<br />
==Fall and die?==<br />
<br />
I'm playing a web version (from i-am-bored.com), and all that happens is that Stinkoman falls down the screen and dies, no ground, no bosses, WTF is going on?<br />
<br />
Don't even acronym swears, and just use the one of Homestar runner.com those web ones are unrealiable. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}<br />
<br />
:My guess is that they only saved stinkogame.swf without the levelData or externalSwf files. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 02:48, 3 August 2005 (BST)<br />
<br />
::how can a normal person (like me) save everything onto their (my) computer?--[[User:StrongBad110990|StrongBad110990]] 18:19, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::Get the files and follow the directions on the page: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Source Files]]. I did and can now play the whole game offline. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]<br />
<br />
:Your best bet is to download [[User:phlip|phlip]]'s Stinkoman 20X6 Cheat Program, then run nocheater.html. You can find it [[Forum:3336|here]]. It's a lot easier than grabbing a list of links from [[User:Venusy#Complete list of files used to mod Stinkoman 20X6|somewhere]], and saving them into the appropriate folders. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:53, 9 August 2005 (BST)<br />
<br />
:Look for Venusy's Complete list of files used to mod Stinkoman, then download all those files. And another thing; don't use WTF. Use WTC. It makes you sound more like a true Homestar Runner fan.<br />
<br />
: I had this happen in the middle of the game while playing from homestarrunner.com . I was at the level 1 boss, Tampo (the giant brain). I had 2 lives left. I died. When it started over, Stinkoman fell and kept falling. And the game was over. Must've been some kind of glitch I guess.--DrPepperMD 9/24/05.<br />
: I belive I have an answer to why this happens (not 100% sure though), I first saw/played the game on a new(er) computer and it workd fine, but when a tryed to play it on an older computer (that had an out of date flash version) there was no ground. prehaps the version of flash that was the current version when this came out supported the ground that prevented you from falling. just a though.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 00:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:: I've had this happen to me as well, even on fast computers. It seems to be mostly random, but the only place it ever happens is when I'm fighting a boss. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 18:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*sigh* That doesn't always happen to me, but when it does, it's a pain in the neck. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 04:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Strange Storyline==<br />
Well, the storyline's kinda getting dull since Pan-pan was kidnapped. Almost all the levels 4-10 is/will be about rescuing pan-pan (and starting level 7, 1-up too. ) TBC, this is an awesome game, but the story... --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 14:06, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Stinkoman is emulating 8-bit platformers. "Rescue Pan-Pan" IS the story. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:01, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
::Thank you Stinkoman! But our panda is in another castle! ;) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] <small>[[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]]</small> 17:50, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
::Besides, as you may have noticed, even Stinkoman admits the plot is utterly predictable. Although, even though the PLOT might be predictable, chances are, if -0 or 3 are any indication, the level scenarios won't be. :) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:03, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
:dude, this is an old-style platforming game, in other words, as long as the gameply's good, nobody cares about the plot.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 19:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== ...The new punching?! ==<br />
<br />
Who else here doesn't like the new punching?? - [[User:C.Olimar788|C.Olimar788]]<br />
:heh? what do you mean by "new punching"?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 00:55, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::"New punching" ''means'' the fact that the 'flying fists' now shoot straight and don't disappear! The only thing that bothers me is how freaking hard it is to kill the my benj. Other than that, I think it's pretty cool. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 03:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC) (P.S. Are all you're discussion edits on the 19th of October, Anonymous?)<br />
:I don't really like the "new punching" because it is almost impossible to kill the my benj. Also because you only get to have 3 shots on the screen so it's just very annoying when you need to shoot a boss and you have to wait for the shots to leave the screen and then you'll lose your chance to shoot the boss and you might get attacked. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 02:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Also I think it's a glitch because they didn't want the shots for the Stinkowing to fall so they made them fly across. Then it spread over to the other levels. <nowiki>[[User:Tampo|</nowiki>[[User:Tampo|Tampo]]]] <nowiki>[[User talk:Tampo|</nowiki>[[User talk:Tampo|talk]]<nowiki>]]</nowiki> 22:15, 31 January 2006 (UTC)<br />
::But it's not, Stinkoman's shots still fall a little, but the Stinkowing's doesen't. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 04:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::That's what I've said on a parallel disussion page. One that's kind of [[Talk:Stinkoman 20X6 Glitches|glitchy]]. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:00, 4 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::When it spread over to the other levels it probably still had a little bit of the old mechanism in it so thats what made them fall. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 02:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I like it better this way, and I feel that it isn't a glitch. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::I like it too. But the only thing I hate about it is about battling the bosses. [[image:stinkoman.PNG|20px]] [[User:Tampo|<font color="red">'''Tam'''</font><font color="blue">'''po''' </font>]]/ <small>([[User talk:Tampo|<font color="blue">'''20'''</font><font color="red">'''X'''</font>]][[Stinkoman|<font color="red">'''6!!!'''</font>]])</small> [[image:stinkoman.PNG|20px]] 21:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Is there somewhere where the whole plot is shown? I'm really bad at this game, so I wanna know what's going on.<br />
<br />
== Fanstuff bad? ==<br />
<br />
What's wrong with the [[HRFWiki:Stinkoman 20X6 - CUSTOM LEVELS|fanstuff]] [[HRFWiki:Stinkoman_20X6_-_CHEAT_VERSION|links]]? [[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] says it's "wiki policy," but I don't see anything against fanstuff in the [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]]. {{User:Trogga/sig}}<br />
:I agree with you. It's "External Links", not "H*R Links." But I can see why some wouldn't like it. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
<br />
::I'm not sure exactly where I read it, but you can take it to the administrators if you want. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:49, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I'm pretty sure you read it in an old discussion of the page - where an admin said that no fanstuff related ''pages'' and ''fun facts'' should be made. (i.e. a guide to custom levels; a factoid on how you can do something with a cheat version) - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
::If I remember correctly it was a sysop edit summary just a few days ago, but if you really want to add it again, I'll stop reverting. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:00, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Here's examples I found. These may be what you are talking about: [[Talk:Stinkoman 20X6/Archive#Add an article on custom levels.3F|here]] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Stinkoman_20X6_Enemies&diff=138917&oldid=138711 here]. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 19:02, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
<br />
We don't link to fanstuff because (1) as a knowledge base, we should only list official sources as external links, (2) we don't have any real info on fanstuff nor do we have any control of its content, and (3) if we allowed person A's fanstuff on this page, then we'd have to allow the fanstuff of persons B, C, D, E, and everyone else on all the other pages, and that is not the point of this wiki, nor should keeping up with and policing things like that be one of our chores. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:46, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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You're Insane, man! I liked those links! Besides, Trogga and Joshua are right! Those links were useful, Fanstuff or not! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]<br />
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:The cheat version may be bad, but the custom levels are public fanstuff from multiple users, and I think they should stay. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
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Any glitches that can only be accessed with the cheat version or in custom levels should be treated like out-of-the-frame glitches in the toons - they were not intended to be seen by the public, so there's no reason to allow for them. That is, if there's something that happens because something is not specifically catered for (eg 1-Up kicking a Stafulter) it should not be mentioned here (though it could be mentioned on the [[HRFWiki:Stinkoman_20X6_-_CHEAT_VERSION#Quirks|fanstuff entry's page]]). If there is something intentional that can only be accessed this way (like the cabbage enemy was) then it should be mentioned, as a remark or as appropriate on another Stinkoman 20X6 page. Linking to the custom levels here would in my mind be the same as linking to [[HRFWiki:Other Character Email|Other Character Email]] or suchlike from the [[Strong Bad Email]] page, and would easily set a precedent for every fanstuff (or even just each category of fanstuff would be bad enough) being linked to from the H*R thing it was inspired by. {{User:phlip/sig}} 17:09, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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But what's the point of (fanstuff) interwiki links if we're not going to use them? {{User:Trogga/sig}}<br />
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Yeah, if we're not supposed to link to fanstuff, then, ''Oh! Why don't we'' '''blow the fanstuff link off the face of that side template thingy''' if we're "not supposed to link to fanstuff"! See? it's ridiculous!! Take ''that'', It's dot com! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]<br />
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:There's a difference between "linking to the fanstuff site from this site" to "linking to a fanstuff page ''from an article'' on this site" - the ''articles'' are supposed to make a ''knowledge base'' containing ''facts'' about ''H*R''. However the site as a whole contains the knowledge base, the forum, the fanstuff, the chat channel, etc... so links between them ''outside the articles themselves'' are still good. {{User:phlip/sig}}<br />
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:Take it easy, FaceCrap. It's not an extremely good idea to talk like that. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}}<br />
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:Yeah, I guess not. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]<br />
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So,''anyway'', if no one's said anything against the Fanstuff links for days, why hasn't somebody put them back? I would, but if it were a good idea to, somebody probably would've already. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]<br />
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:I am against putting the fanstuff links there. People should just visit fanstuff themselves. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 14:05, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, you ''can'' just go to the external links part of the side template, true, but it might be easier to have direct links on the bottom of the page. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]<br />
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:So what, we have to be actively posting here all the time saying "I still don't want the fanstuff links there" after the discussion seems settled? OK, to make it explicit: I think they should not be there, and I will continue to think they should not be there until such a time as I specifically post saying otherwise. Until then, take it as read that I am posting here regularly saying they should not be there. {{User:phlip/sig}} 16:02, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I feel that having fanstuff links would only be kinda like linking to the forum. I also think that the custom levels might be kind of like linking to the home-made or other character e-mails, but the cheat version still seems good. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 20:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think the fanstuff should go completely unnoticed... those are some useful cheats! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 04:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Buffalo! Buffalo, buffalo, buffalo! It's funny if you watch the ''Colbert Report''. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 04:23, 7 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Level 8 ==<br />
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I know people have commented on the whole level 7,-0,9 thing. I think I has the solution. After Level 10, TBC are likely to go back and do a level 8 as somewhat of a lost level. I'm dissapointed there was no swimming level, so this might be where it comes in ( Level 10 defenitely won't be such a level. I'll bet anyone my entire life savings [being $8.42] that 10 will be a Bowser's Keep type deal)---[[User:RatherAnnoying]]<br />
: Level -0 ''is'' level 8, just not called that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:06, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:5 bucks says level ten isn't a bowsers keep type deal.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 19:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::What ''is'' a bowser's keep type deal, anyway? -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 04:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::Ever played any old Mario game? Think those type of final levels. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
::::Actually, I ''haven't'' played any old Mario games (unless Super Mario World for the Super Nintendo counts, but I haven't even beaten it and it's at a friend's house anyway), so I haven't seen any final levels. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 02:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::So, what's a bowser's keep type dael? -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 03:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
[http://vgmaps.com/Atlas/NES/SuperMarioBros-World1-Area4.png Bowser's castle], World 1-4 of ''Super Mario Bros.''. Look up "NES", then "Super Mario Bros.", then "World 1-4". The link redirects to the first page. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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10 bucks says level 10's a fusion of Super Mario <br />
World's Bowser's Castle and Megaman and Bass' final stage(A castle where you go through several subsections and face a boss at the end of almost every section(like the goals))<br />
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Gee, thanks DorianGray. That link totally worked. I now know exactly what a Bowser's keep type deal is. Both a 403 and a 404 at the same time! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 16:19, 23 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Try going [http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/NES/index.htm#SuperMarioBros here], then click the link for World 1, Area 4 (or any of the other Area 4s). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Cutscene Before 9.3 ==<br />
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So, doesn't anyone think that noting that there is no cutscene before 9.3 is too obvious? There's no cutscene before An Ice Machine either, and nobody cared about that! Who put that fact up, anyway? -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 00:34, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I agree. We should either put both facts up, or none of 'em. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:13, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Easter Eggs==<br />
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:I know it wouldn't do much, but to help clean up, couldnt we move the easter eggs onto the levels in which they're on? For instance, for the "snot bubble" easter egg, couldnt we just keep that on the "Oh! The moon!" page? --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:11, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I don't think we need the snot bubble one there. We already recorded it on [[Stinkoman 20X6 Playable Characters]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}<br />
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== Stinkoman Labels ==<br />
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Personally, I think there should be some kind of consistency among the level titles. If we are to change the level 8's to level -0's, we should do that throughout the entire page and not just to one of the titles. I changed it back because, having two dashes -0-9 doesnt' exactly look pretty, and it would look even worse if we had (-0)-9, as I had seen once before (if my memory serves me right). Please accept my apologies but I will change it back to the way I had it for the aformentioned reason. If it is deemed better to have all level 8 labels turned into -0 label, then it should be done across the board. Thanks.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:My vote is too change all '''-0''' tags into '''8'''s. I find the -0 title confusing when being used among other levels. This is probably especially true for newbies. 8 is just much simpler. And it's not entirely inaccurate either - Level 8 ''is'' called Level 8 in the Stinkomanual. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:: But the ''game itself'' calls it Level -0. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::: To me that says that the game creators (that would be TBC) both call it level 8 and level -0. However, my first issue still stands: ''consistency''. Having several titles call it level 8 and only one or two (or even half) level -0 is inconsistent and looks bad. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::: Do we have titles that call it level 8? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::: We go by -0. I don't understand why people care about it. We go by the official site, and the site calls it -0. Oh, and I think the walkthrough says -0/8. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:53, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::: To answer my own question, we did. I came up with a solution that not only fixed that, but also fixes the "double hyphen" problem. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:: What the walkthrough says doesn't matter - it can be changed. Basically, the official site calls it -0 '''AND''' 8. So we could go either way without "official site relevance" problems. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::: Yes, this is true, but one is in the manual (which has lots of other intentional mistakes) and the other is in the game itself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:57, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::I was gonna post this till you guys beat me to it (twice! I had 2 edit conflicts):<br />
::::::''Pretty much every main title that refers to it under Trivia, remarks (before the change) and inside references. There is a snippet in the flash [[Stinkoman_20X6#General|information]] that calls it episode 8 (this i beleive is original TBC wording) and further below 8/-0, and ... and that's it!<br />
::::: and I like your solution! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::Yeah, the manual itself is kind of inconsistant. I agree with Jay. And furthermore, I think -0 sums up the level better too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::::: Working heavily on the Stinkoman 20X6 levels, I must say -0 is a great inconvience. When we can choose between convient and inconvient, why do we pick the harder one? It seems that TBC used -0 on the level selection screen and "TRY LEVEL" screen and 8 everywhere else. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Define "everywhere else." All I see was the manual, which was already mentioned, and the "What's New" box from the day before, where they didn't want to give away the new level. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Not to mention ''" It said "V6.0 EPISODES 1-8" until September 5, 2005, when the ninth level was added."'' Although level and episode are two slightly different things. Yes, I know I'm being slightly repetitive. I do like the new wording a lot though! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Ok, I think that we can live with some itty bitty inconviences in our articles. -0 makes much more sense than 8, and is called -0 on the site. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I don't exactly see what you're talking about with -0 making more sense. -0 is much more inconvenient than 8, and we've already established that TBC call it both. I vote '''8'''. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:13, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I vote '''8'''.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 19:52, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
(Dear wiki fans: please note that arguing over something small like this may get all of you put up on my "Nerds of the year page." It does not currently exist, but it will very soon. In like, 2 hours I will have the link posted here. You're not on it...yet. Note to the admins: you won't be on it, since you are defending the inconsistency fact that you put on there. Does that make sense?)<br />
--Chorch<br />
P.S. No offense ;)<br />
:Of course, the only person more nerdy than the guys arguing over it is the person that locates the discussion amoung the millions of other "nerdy" discussions around here, identifies it as the "nerdiest" and then makes a webpage dedicated to the "nerdiest" users' feat. :P - {{User:Joshua/sig}}<br />
::Yeah, I feel like such a bag of crap now that I said that... you guys run one of the few places on the 'net that accept me... so to make it up to you, I've put up some Homestar Runner based cheats for Super Mario Bros. in my user page. Wait until you see what the cheat "Strong Sad" does!<br />
-Chorch aka [[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]]<br />
P.S. I'm deeply sorry :(<br />
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== The shadow ==<br />
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:anyone thinking about who the end boss is going to be?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 00:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Ya, proably a Japanese Coach Z. there is s HRWiki article that mentions this.- Not currently a user, 11:02pm, 9th November 2005 (AEST)<br />
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Though I have a feeling it's so obvious that it's Coach Z, it might not be Coach Z at all. Just a theory. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 17:53, 24 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think that it is Coach Z. In some of the cartoons, Coach Z is represented like that (I cannot remember where). When he was, he looked extremely similar to the end boss. <br />
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Maybe the final boss is an armored Sticklyman. After all, maybe only the cape and armor are shadowed, and the "hat" may be some kinda visor.<br />
:I changed my mind. I do think the Shadowy Figure is 20X6 Coach Z. On the fanstuff wiki, he has many names relating to Coach Z, like "Emeperor Z" and the popular "Master Z". In a Stinkoman comic called "Stinkoman 20X6: The Second Wave" he is called "Evil Z". I do think it is just 20X6 Coach Z, wearing sholder plates and a cape. His sprite is avalible in "Make-O Your Own Stinko", but it has no cape.<br />
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== Messy Page ==<br />
The whole fun fact section of this page is a mess. I'm thinking we need to delete some facts, maybe move some pages, stuff like that. Like individual boss fun facts chould go in their own section in the enemies page. And I think a page should be set up of a list of all the "Try Level" "Game Over" and "More Levels To Come" scenes. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
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:It is a bit messy. I'll try sweeping the floor.<br />
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:But seriously, yea. Too much info. We need to have a [[garage sale]] or something. I'll maybe try to do a bit of work on the page. Probably a few more Fun Facts subsections are needed, as well as maybe an 'updates section', for the little things they change every time they update. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:07, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::The fun facts should be split into levels wherever possible, and a bunch of other changes. I was kinda waiting for the game to be finished before proposing any radical alterations. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:12, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Would it be okay to remove all of the "when the game was first made, it was like this. it was later changed" type messages? Shouldn't the guide just talk about how the game is now?--DrPepperMD<br />
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::We have precedent for keeping records of when things change, but that's mostly because the toons and such don't change often - this game changes regularly... Perhaps split them off to yet another page? I'm willing to do that now if there's no objections. {{User:phlip/sig}} 03:56, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I had another look - I don't think there are enough "in a previous version..." facts to warrant its own page, but I still don't think they should be removed. Perhaps group them all together under a "changes" heading or something... {{User:phlip/sig}} 11:10, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Hi!''' I have two points I'd like to talk about (sorry, I'm not really mentioning anything new).<br />
:*This TALK page is indeed still messy. I think we should archive ''again'' everything except the Closed (STUFF), XML and couple of most recent (like level 9) conversations. Oh! and this section of course. I'd do it, but um, I hate to ask... how do you archive things again?<br />
::*The Main page has its archives broken in pieces of 20, and has its own template and everything, I think this talk page merits that kind of organization.<br />
:*Um yeah the page is kinda bloated. I was thinking making actual ''level'' pages for most stuff (we already have the walkthroughs, which the level pages can point to) like [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] suggested. I think it's doable at least for the early stages, and since the game is presumably nearly complete. That or Real World references should have its own page. So what should it be, individual level pages or Real World references? :D<br />
::*Organizing the page now, will save us the headache of updating it later, when it's even more bloated. Adding to a new infrastructure isn't necessarily that much harder.<br />
: Thank you guys for your time!<br />
: --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:50, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
: I have organized the talk [[Talk:Stinkoman_20X6#This_might_need_archival|archives]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:24, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I definitely like the separate Real World References page! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:38, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I have reorganized some of the sections, is it clean enough to remove the cleanup tag? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:24, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::It is not even close to being clean. You have been doing a '''great''' jorb on this, but it is still to big for its own good. We should probably take out the updates and break the FFs into smaller sections. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:23, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
Some good examples of shortening is that we need to make either A: A Big Fun fact page or B: Seperate articles for all the facts and references.<br />
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== Separate Fun Facts Page ==<br />
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I have a (possibly controversial) suggestion: why not move *all* of the Fun Facts section to its own page? It is big enough to merit it, and that way we can leave the Stinkoman page short and clean. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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On another note, can the Closed STUFF have its own independent page? It has its own page now which is inserted as a template to make it look like the way it was, since I didn't know if it should be kept here for easy access. I was thinking it could be prominently displayed in the Archive Nav bar. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:You know, I was thinking that we should move all of the fun facts to an independent page. But STUFF'd facts having there own page, and still being displayed here is over kill. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 13:26, 30 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok. I just didn't know if there was any reason for the STUFF to be visible immediately from the main talk page. Note that this is the same way STUFF is injected into the main STUFF page. As for the FF, if other ppl think it should be done then I'll go ahead and do it (later). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I still think that FF could use it's own page, anyone else agree? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::I think having some sections say ''See Main Article: linky'', while some have the facts. It looks inconsistent. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:00, 4 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Ok so how does something like this look:<br />
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=== Fun Facts ===<br />
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<big><big>''' Trivia '''</big></big><br />
:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Trivia]].'' '''</big><br />
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<big><big>''' Remarks '''</big></big><br />
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:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Remarks]].'' '''</big><br />
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<big><big>''' Goofs '''</big></big><br />
:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Goofs]].'' '''</big><br />
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<big><big>''' Glitches '''</big></big><br />
:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Glitches]].'' '''</big><br />
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<big><big>''' Inside References '''</big></big><br />
:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Inside References]].'' '''</big><br />
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<big><big>''' Real-World References '''</big></big><br />
:&mdash;<big>''' ''See [[Stinkoman 20X6 Real-World References]].'' '''</big><br />
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''Note: this version is the most recent as of '''22:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)''' ''<br />
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It is only a sketch and this was the most concise and attractive version i could come up with. I [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=202399&oldid=202396 played with different alternatives] and like this one above the best. The [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=202396&oldid=202395 original facts] section would have looked like [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=202394&oldid=202391 this] in the page (sorry for the glowy box, i'm kinda fond of it). The one above would look something like [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=202409&oldid=202405 this]. I also just noticed that the <code><nowiki><h4></nowiki></code> tags don't hide the TOC, just mess it up a bit (i remember running into that problem before), and so I would need to change those to <code><nowiki><div font></nowiki></code> tags in order to eliminate them out of the TOC, yet keep their size intact. Any suggestions? (I will be removing the H4 tags shortly for those who miss it, so you'll have to read the page history.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:21, 20 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:The Sandbox version is prooty sweet - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 06:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Glad you liked it! Which one did you prefer more? Version [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=202394 1] or Version [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=202409 2]? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I kinda like the first one. The second one makes the Table of Contents rather gargantuan... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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::::Yeah I was trying to fix that problem. I'd like the 2nd one better if I could get around the TOC problem (unless we were to hide it but that would be a copout). Oh... I think I have a better idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::::Okay, so I went through 4 different revisions, three of which I liked: Version [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=203809 1b], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&direction=next&oldid=203809 1c] (with index) and Version [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&direction=next&oldid=203813 2b] (no index), and still in contention is our original Version [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=202394 1]. I have also updated how version 2b looks above. Oh and I forgot to sign, anyway I did not mention that this version I posted do ''not'' show up in the table of contents at all! Which looks pretty nice and does ''not'' have those pesky edit links after each entry... whaddya think? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Version 1 looks the best - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 08:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks for the input! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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''Note: the sandbox versions do '''not''' show the edit links that would normally show if each version was implemented in the real page (except for 2b which was designed not to have indices and edit links). ''<br />
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:I posted that since I saw Volbeat's recent edit where he/she removed a comment about it and I thought it would be important to mention that for clarity. If you guys think we should start some sort of vote (wether or not to use this idea and which version to use), or if more people would comment more on the versions, that would be greatly appreciated. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:22, 27 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::This is a great idea. Off to work I go. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 02:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've been moving these pages to more appropriate ones, namely, their respectful subpages, due to their content being exculsively from, and about Stinkoman 20X6. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Version 3 Mirror ==<br />
:Formerly Version 2 Mirror<br />
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I have a working (i think) version of Stinkoman 20X6 v2. (is that the one with 4 levels?) When I get the chance to put it on my geocities server could it be put in an article? Just wondering, I don't mind if it can't. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 09:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I checked the file and it is actually the one with 5 levels on it, I guess that makes it version 3. Anyways I forgot to put it on my web server and I won't be able to for 2 or 3 days. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 04:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Geocities unfortunately has bandwidth issues with popular pages. Have you checked to see if the [[Links#Mirrors|kitcorp mirror]] has that version already stored? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Me dunno. Last time I checked kitkorp, it didn't even have the stinko-updated games menu. But things may have changed in the last 5 or 6 months. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 13:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Wow! yeah, they rarely ''do'' update. They don't even have the stinkoman game in their games menu! However, I was [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/stinkogame/ lucky enough] to stumble into an [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/v4/ old] [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/homestarrunner.com/stinkogame/v4/stinkogame.html version] they do have archived but does not contain the necessary XML files to make it playable, just the SWF. Which may be why they don't have it in its games menu. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Yeah I am aware of the problems with geocities, but I don't know where else I can dump this mirror, anybody here able to host it? <br />
:At least there is a version 4 mirror on [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com kitkorp]. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 11:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I personally, am not able to host it at this moment. If that changes I will let you know. Does your version have all the xml files and stuff then? It would be nice to compile all the old versions in one place and all. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:16, 26 December 2005 (UTC)'<br />
:No, but I have em on my comp anyways, so I can just zip em up all together. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 10:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Oooo! That would be cool! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I e-mailed it to myself today, as it's my first day of school, but my e-mail is busted for some reason. Just so you know I don't have the old Stinkomanual or Level -0.1, I have the newer versions.<br />
:::That's not a problem, I'm not in a rush. :) I did want to remind you to sign your talk page posts though. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Yah that was an accident. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 08:12, 2 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::::No worries, I just wanted to give you a reminder (and for the benefit of other readers). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Well I managed to pull out a v6.X mirror including the object library from that version. What now? - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 06:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Not sure. Keep it around for now, perhaps we might ask Tom if it could be added to the hrwiki mirror? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Alright, well here is the speculations on it, It has the Game File, original object library, original XMLs, but I left out the cutscenes and I don't have a copy of the Stinkomanual from then. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Manual Change==<br />
<br />
Has anyone noticed that the manual now shows the "Giving up already?" page right after Nebulon's boss page? Don't know when this happened.<br />
:Not happening to me ''now'', but something similar happened to me a while back; maybe your cache needs updating (though that wouldn't explain my problem, as I intentionally always keep my cache at a bare minimum) or maybe it's a problem with the site. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)<br />
::It works fine for me... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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<br />
<br />
== i made an installer ==<br />
i made an installer for the game(levels 1-9) at<br />
http://www.filelodge.com/files/room11/264414/stinkoman20x6.zip<br />
what do i do with it?<br />
<br />
<br />
== Music ==<br />
Does anybody know where does the music of Stinkoman_20X6 comes from?, I think that should be pointed out in the article [[User:200.112.49.135|200.112.49.135]] 21:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I do, I know! It comes from Stinkoman 20X6 (-.-") - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 04:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
You mean which MIDI maker progrum or whatever, right? -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 03:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I know! NOT Noteworthy Composer! :) -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
::NOR Garage Band! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Maybe it's Anvil Studio. - {{User:Gtxm78/sig}} 13:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
They probably just did it on a Casio keyboard. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 01:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Game Informer==<br />
When I got the April 2006 issue of Game Informer, I was shocked that Stinkoman 20X6 has been featured in the beginning. Have you guys noticed this too? That is if you read Game Informer. {{User:Gordon 584.sig}}<br />
: I had been informed by an online contact of mine, though I don't have a subscription myself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)<br />
==Rival and Stinkoman MM7 game==<br />
Do you think that Stinkoman is going to get a rival? If so, it would be funny if its sprite was an edit of Bass's. <br />
It would be cool to have a new Stinkoman game with Megaman 7 graphics. It could even have a parody of the MM7 plot (Stinkoman's rival does a horrible attempt to trick Stinkoman into being his "friend", and Stinkoman easily falls for it) the Stinkoman version of Rush would be The cheat and Treble could be a rival The Cheat (The Cheat is a The Cheat, according to "Origins" and other sources"). This is just my idea. <br />
-Zyborg<br />
<br />
==Marzipan Character==<br />
I think it would be awesome to play a Marzipan character who "floats" like Princess Toadstool in Mario Bros 2. Or maybe the pompom character could be like Kirby? Perhaps those ideas would be better suited for 20X6 II or maybe a Homestar Runner side scroller. - {{unsigned|12.158.72.52|03:27, 17 April 2006}}<br />
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To answer, we look to the power of numbered lists:<br />
#First of all, this doesen't have much to do with 20X6.<br />
#The Brothers Chaps don't steal ideas.<br />
#There is a [[Pom Pom]] counterpart already, his name is [[Pan Pan]], and he is the basis of Stinkoman 20X6's story.<br />
#As for [[Marzipan]], here is a [[20X6 Marzipan|slightly abandoned idea]].<br />
#Five.<br />
#20X6 II? The first one isn't even finished. And screw a new Homestar game.<br />
#Sign your posts please. use the <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> or <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> tags to sign your posts, even if you don't have an account.<br />
#If you plan to delete this section of talk, don't think about it.<br />
<br />
That is all. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 10:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:#20X6 Marzipan is entirely 20X6 related.<br />
:#The entire Stinkoman 20X6 is based off the NES Mega Man, with the sprites based off of Mega Man's.<br />
:#True. So maybe Pan Pan could be this "pompom character". Although I don't think he'll float...<br />
:#Yes, and she could appear again, as some kind a roll edit possibly.<br />
:#Evif.<br />
:#I agree. It's kind of too late to introduce 20X6 Marzipan. Pan Pan's still a possiblity, though. I highly doubt they're ever going to make a Stinkoman 20X6 II though.<br />
:#Signing, whee...<br />
:#Oop.<br />
:: - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:22, 17 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your reply is better than mine. You shall have five pies. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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Maybe we could get the person on fanstuff making 'Stinkoman 20X6 2' to include some o' that. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 00:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC) Oh, and people who don't have an account yet don't ''have'' to sign. It's just a dumb string of numbers.<br />
<br />
On the fanstuff wiki, I've started a Stinkoman 20X6 2 thing and DonZabu says he'll make it a reality using Game Maker Version 6. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the current subject, but I just thought you'd like to know. 20X6 Marzipan should make another appereance. I mean, I'm sure that TBC wouldn't abandon the character. They might improve it's design like with Old-Timey Strong Sad, but hopefully not abandon it. -[[User:Mitchell00|Mitchell00]] 11:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Don't forget to everybody remember [[Trogador]]. Everbody thought he was abandoned until they surprised us by using him. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Last Boss Ideas ==<br />
<br />
Is anyone thinking about what the final boss is? I think it has 2 forms. The first one would be the Shadowy Figure, and he could take 30 hits. But after you defeat him, you'll be transported to a the roof of the Evil Castle, and you'll fight Sol Giant, this '''GIANT''' robot that takes 50 hits to kill, and takes '''TWO''' hits to register an actual hit, making it really take '''100''' hits to kill. Here's the transcript:<br />
<br />
???? Where?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 18:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Someone must have deleted it due to adequacy for the forum. Maybe the same guy that killed all the level 10 talk! Oh, may they rest in peace. *sniff* -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 13:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:And it was TSG3. I knew it. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)<br />
::Give me a reason why I shouldn't have deleted them. Nobody wants to look at a page filled with complaints about a level that isn't here that are better suited to our forum, and I think others will agree with me. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Man, even the forum doesn't want them anymore. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::::Well, I suppose I ment the forum is MORE suited than the wiki. Now, let's end this conversation, because I sence a flame war. (Call it a hunch.) --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 00:04, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Yeah, I just don't have a lot to do. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
:::Now that I think about it, it was pretty stupid and pointless. But just look at 500 The Cheats! -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Here's my second idea. Level 10's boss is the Shadowy Figure/20X6 Coach Z, and he fights using a laser sword. After you beat him, there should be like a "Level Final" where the Shadowy Figure/20X6 Coach Z is in the Z-Wing(the name I gave to the Coach Z ship on the games menu), and he's trying to make a getaway. Is this better?<br />
<br />
A third idea. Shadowy Figure/20X6 Coach Z with laser sword like Idea#2, but this time, when you beat him, he reveals this 4-legged mech that looks like something Dr. Wily from Megaman yould use, called the Z Machine(considering he is 20X6 Coach Z). Well, the Z Machine would have 3 forms. Form 1 just has 4 legs, Form 2 would have no legs, but would have 2 mechanical arms and would float about. Form 3 would just be the hovering Z Machine without arms or legs. This idea is a good one.<br />
<br />
Or maybe like a boss recap; where all the boss fights from the previous worlds would be fought in order (with frequent health power-ups between battles), and it ends with the Shadowy Figure battle concepted above. Seems like a good idea to me.--[[Special:Contributions/64.91.158.52|64.91.158.52]] 18:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Is Level 10 Ever Coming?==<br />
<br />
Apparently so. I just stumbled across this in the forum, figured I'd bring it to the wiki if it's not already here yet, since it seems somewhat legitimate, what you might glean from an interview or the like, in the form of an [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=5995&start=69 email from Matt to Power Crunch]:<br />
<br />
<blockquote>And don't sweat Stinkoman level 10. It's coming. For real. Our<br><br />
programmer guy moved away a year or so ago so it's been harder to put<br><br />
games together but we've got level 10 all figured out and hopefully it<br><br />
will rule.</blockquote><br />
<br />
So that's always a plus. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::I am in fact, Power Crunch on the forum. And I in fact, apologize if that's confusing. But I in fact, must say, that if you'd like to read the whole letter.<br />
<br />
<blockquote>Hey Daniel,<br />
Sadly, we probably won't ever get a talking Homsar. The toys were all a <br />
pretty big pain in the butt to get made and cost a buncha money. I did <br />
recently find this awesome company that makes the little voice box type <br />
things for talking plush dolls:<br><br><br />
<br />
http://www.gmkmg.com/recordable_products.htm<br><br><br />
<br />
So if you happened to be able to sew or knew someone who could sew, then <br />
you could make a Homsar, stick one of those voice boxes in him and put <br />
your fav Homsar jams on it. I know that's kind of a ridiculous thing to <br />
suggest but I just thought of it cause I want to make a musical stuffed <br />
Epona (Link's horse from Legend of Zelda) for my brother's baby that <br />
plays Epona's Song when you squeeze it.<br><br><br />
<br />
And don't sweat Stinkoman level 10. It's coming. For real. Our <br />
programmer guy moved away a year or so ago so it's been harder to put <br />
games together but we've got level 10 all figured out and hopefully it <br />
will rule. We're also working on a big adventure game like Peasant's <br />
Quest except more like the Lucasarts point n' click style games. And <br />
this one will feature the actual characters from the website, not made <br />
up characters like Thy Dungeonman and Peasant's Quest.<br><br><br />
<br />
High five and thanks for writing.<br><br />
Matt<br><br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />
Yeah it's pretty cool. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 23:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
:Aww, the very, very little girl is getting a musical Epona. Cuuute! &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::They're making a [[Wikipedia:Monkey Island series|''Monkey Island'']]-style game? Sounds cool. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
::: So their point-and-click game doesn't use made-up characters, but instead uses Homestar and Strong Bad? ''{head a splodes}'' (Yes, I know what he meant.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:32, 18 October 2006 (UTC)<br />
What's that about a talking Homsar? -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 14:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Wait a second. Why would it be a problem that Jonathon moved away? He could still code the games as long as he had contact with TBC and an Internet connection. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 00:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It might've taken Jonathan a while to move in, or get an internet connection. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 01:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::This talk page is for the article, not the game. This discussion really belongs on the forum. Thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
So once the Brothers Chaps get a new programmer guy, we can expect Level 10 to come really soon? That's good to hear. At least we get to know what the really long holdup was.<br />
<br />
==Loading screen==<br />
<br />
"When you click it, "loading manuél" appears briefly."<br />
<br />
I WILL FIND THE USER WHO WROTE THIS AND ASK HIM IF HE IS ASKING FOR A CHALLENGE!! Shouldn't it say, like "When you click it, the text "loading manuél" appears briefly." --[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] <small>(Left [[HRWiki:Standards#Do_sign_your_Talk_posts|unsigned]])</small><br />
<br />
Well, Marvelboy, the "quotation marks" signify that it's text appearing. But, hey, there's always [[HRWiki:Standards#Be_bold.2C_but_know_when_not_to_be|being bold]] and making the change yourself. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 20:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)<br />
<br />
To Marvelrulez: Calm down. [[sugarbob|Do you know how many Internet etiquette laws you're breaking by typing in all caps like that?]] Well, you're breaking one: Don't type in all caps. - {{User:Gtxm78/sig}} 13:23, 11 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Continute ==<br />
<br />
You expect this game having to let you skip levels? Well, I say that is cheating! I expect NO cheaters allowing to make this game, even if it takes me 40 days and 40 nights! What kind of garbage makes no passwords acquired to activate CONTINUTE, huh?<br />
- From a loyal, somewhat etiquette fan, {{User:Viklas/sig}} 21:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Stinkoman uses [[Wikipedia:Local Shared Object|Local Shared Objects]] to store where you're up to in the game, so you can leave and come back and Continute still remembers where you are. One of the restrictions of LSOs is that they're restricted to one URL - when the game moved to a <code>/v2/</code> subdir, it could no longer access the continute data from before. Thus TBC had two choices &ndash; either force everyone who's beaten the game to beat it again every time a new level comes out, or let them start from the new level wherever they were up to before. They understandably chose the latter, because the former would be much more annoying. If you consider it cheating, feel free to not use the feature, and play the game from Level 1.1 every time; I'm not stopping you. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Look, man, I TRIED to get to Level 9.2, but appearently, I can't unless 9.1 is completed. -{{User:Viklas/sig}}<br />
:::So then beat level 9.1... {{User:Bassium!/sig}}<br />
<br />
== Object Library??? ==<br />
<br />
What exactly is the object library? Whenever I click on the link it just takes me to one of two things. Either the shield ally sign in the top-middle of the screen, or the sign to the slight left-top of the screen and a half of and of those "Uptant-Octopus" things on the top-edhe of the screen. What gives?--[[User:Kirbychu HR'D|Kirbychu HR&#39;D]] 01:01, 20 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
I don't know. The object library used to be filled with stuff. Now, it's just... those things. Donno what happened. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 15:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Level 10 ==<br />
Looking at this week's [[Weekly Fanstuff|fanstuff]], does anyone else think that TBC are giving us like, a hint at something? Kind of like how [[shapeshifter]] linked to [[Strong Bad Gameways|SB GWs]], which was a preview for [[Strong Bad's Cool Game For Attractive People|SBCG4AP]]? {{User:DevonM/sig}}<br />
<br />
In an e-mail I sent to Strong Bad last week or so:<br><br />
"''PS: When is Stinkoman level 10 coming? We're already waiting three years!''"<br><br />
But with all the gazillions of people that e-mail Strong-o Bad-o there must be at least 100 that ask when Stinkoman Level 10 is coming. So I dunno, maybe it did the trick. [[User:AlmsforthePudgy|AlmsforthePudgy]] 14:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Oh yeah, I think you mean [[Sketchbook]] instead of [[Weekly Fanstuff]]. [[User:AlmsforthePudgy|AlmsforthePudgy]] 14:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Yeah, I do. {{User:DevonM/sig}}<br />
<br />
== Fighting and Challenge! ==<br />
I am going to make a Stinkoman fighting game (like Street Fighter) with M.U.G.E.N. Does anyone think this is a good idea? Or if its legal? --[[User:Ryu 20X6|-=-=-RYU-=-=-20X6-=-=-]] 19:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
:This isn't really the place to ask about that. The talk pages on this wiki are for discussing article content. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:21, 7 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Object library ==<br />
<br />
What happened? I went there and there's a sign that says some thing on it and half an octopus! But as far as I know, the things are still there, I decompiled it.--[[Special:Contributions/72.93.240.37|72.93.240.37]] 23:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Sprite Sheets ==<br />
<br />
Anyone know if they exist? [[Special:Contributions/173.32.221.240|173.32.221.240]] 04:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
:Some people used to have sprite sheets available on the fanstuff wiki, but they're currently unavailable. Your best bet right now would be either decompiling the game (probably especially the object library) and making your own, or the [[Make-o Your Own Stinko]] game, in which various character poses already exist as stamps. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Weirdest Glitch ==<br />
<br />
I went to level 1 and I couldn't move, jump, or shoot! I tried level 2 same thing! It happend on every level! Except 4 I couldn't move jump or make the rocks fall! Has this happend to anyone else?<br />
: Um, did you try clicking on the Flash file to give "focus" to it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== stupid glitches!!! ==<br />
<br />
i was on the level 1 boss (it is easy) and the ground just dissapeared from underneath me! i can't belive it! --[[User:Stong L. Bod|Stong L. Bod]] 19:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:magic_trickTalk:magic trick2009-04-11T16:34:05Z<p>Stong L. Bod: /**/pay the audience?</p>
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<div>== Strong Sad dying ==<br />
<br />
Would the illusion Strong Sad having his head fall off count as an instance of his imagined death? [[User:Shadoman|Shadoman]] 13:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I think it would count for at least an instance of Strong Sad's servered head.--[[User:Silent|Silent]] 13:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It is however an occurrence of two of the same characters, that should be mentioned. EDIT: I added it - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 23:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::It's an illusion, not duplicate characters. And severed head it is, not death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Who's to say the rest aren't illusions? - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 02:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::To say that they ARE is baseless speculation. Here it is made quite clear. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::Regardless of whether the other instances were supposed to be magic tricks by the characters, they still are all instances of a character appearing twice in the same frame that cannot easily be explained.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 22:54, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Seventeen for free? ==<br />
<br />
Am I just seeing things? Or did the soap box read "sixteen for free" early in the morning this was released? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Is this worth mentioning? ==<br />
<br />
*Traditionally, the suit icons of playing cards are oriented such that half of them are right side up from any portrait-style orientation of the card. Strong Bad's "4 my butt" card has all its icons in the same orientation.<br />
Probably should be reworded a bit. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
**Done and done, Frasier. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 23:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Again with Strong Sad ==<br />
<br />
Look carefully at Strong Sad's soolnds. He's gone back to an older design! (they're farther apart and don't have swirls) [[User:Shadoman|Shadoman]] 14:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:SS's soolnds were also like this in the previous email as well. If a remark is made it should be on that email's page. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== What's Homestar saying? ==<br />
And sorry to go off-topic, but what's Homestar saying? I was trying to write up the transcript, but I can't understand what he's saying after Strong Bad's bragging rights about the "Devil's Crapper". [[User:Shadoman|Shadoman]] 14:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:He says "Hate to burst your bubble, man" {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Uhh... ==<br />
<br />
Shouldn't there be a transcript by now? {{User:Neox/sig}} 14:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Someone, needs to volunteer to work on it first. You can write it if you want. {{User:Peter222/sig}} 14:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::[[User:Shadoman|Shadoman]] is working on it (I think). Read above. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::OK, the transcript's done. There may be a couple of errors, but hopefully it'll be fine. It's my first transcript anyway. [[User:Shadoman|Shadoman]] 15:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== ] goof ==<br />
This is off topic, yet somehow related to this email... When Strong Bad clears the screen after his marriage comment, the "]" flies off the Lappy and up the wall! This is an obvious goof. I'd put it up on the article myself, but I don't know just how to word it the right way... better than the way I just did. {{User:Neox/sig}} 15:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I put up a picture of the wall bracket goof, so people will be able to know what's meant anyway, but a better description would of course be welcome. --[[User:Mini-Geek|Mini-Geek]] 15:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== No "Email" In Email Song ==<br />
<br />
Shouldn't we mention that Strong Bad doesn't say "email" in his email song? It's been a while since that happened, too...<br />
:I don't think it's notable. There's no rule that says he has to... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::In fact, here's a list of emails with intros that don't contain the word "email" or "sbemail" or something of the sort:<br />
::*[[studying]]<br />
::*[[tape-leg]]<br />
::*[[spring cleaning]]<br />
::*[[sb_email 22]]<br />
::*[[1 step ahead]]<br />
::*[[sisters]]<br />
::*[[property of ones]]<br />
::*[[invisibility]]<br />
::*[[action figure]]<br />
::*[[ghosts]]<br />
::*[[english paper]]<br />
::*[[anything]]<br />
::*[[date]]<br />
::*[[2 years]]<br />
::*[[couch patch]]<br />
::*[[army]]<br />
::*[[theme park]]<br />
::*[[for kids]]<br />
::*[[pizzaz]]<br />
::*[[part-time job]]<br />
::*[[what I want]]<br />
::*[[magic trick]]<br />
::All in all, not very rare. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Well that's 11.1 percent of the time where he doesn't mention email or sbemail in the song. I'd say that it's borderline rare, and maybe, if the sbemails were retired it might be worth mentioning. But in the present, as the number of mentions could increase or decrease, there's no sense mentioning this. --[[User:O98-111-114-113|O98-111-114-113]] 16:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Not all that rare. 11% is still 11% of almost 200. I say, don't mention it. Oh, and I personally doubt that the number of mentions will decrease. The percentage might, but not the number. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Illlllluuuuuuusion? ==<br />
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There has been some debate over whether the ending can be considered an instance of duplicate characters. Does it count? [[User:Sarette|Sarette]] 23:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Strong Mad's [[hiding]] place doesn't count because it's not actually a duplicate character. Neither is this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I was wondering about this one myself when I saw the reverts going on. I had to go check the article to be sure. It seems to me the article on duplicate characters includes only cases where there's clearly two of the same character, not some fake version plus the real, so it seems this is not an example. Though how SS managed such a realistic version is hard to figure out... {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::I still say Strong Mad in hiding counts. Here? Not so sure; we KNOW (with context) that the alternate SS is fake. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Is *this* your card? ==<br />
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I think this may be a real-world reference to a trick Penn & Teller used to do on their home videos. You'd trick your friend into "randomly" picking a certain card, and then pretend to get the trick wrong by guessing another one. Then you'd sit down to watch TV (actually P&T's videotape) when a news anchor would break off in the middle of her broadcast to say, "By the way, IS THIS YOUR CARD?" holding up the card they took in the first place. The way SB delivered the line and held the card right up to the 'camera' is *very* much like the P&T version of the trick.<br />
: It's too general. Lots of people that do card tricks say "Is ''this'' your card?" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::agreed. P&T say it as a parody of third-rate magicians. If it were a P&T reference, it would be the three of clubs (the card P&T always "randomly" pick) or at least the three of butts. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 02:09, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Harry Potter ==<br />
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''In the Easter Egg, D N'D Greg mentions Mandrake Powder. Mandrake is actually a real plant and is not exclusive to the fictional Harry Potter Universe.''<br />
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This is a good example of a bad fact. Mention what Mandrake IS. Don't say what it is NOT. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
: And just as I'm about to try to fix it, someone else removes the fact. Go figure. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:12, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
::I fixed it! {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Buddy? ==<br />
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I'm pretty sure I can definitely hear the word friend. If you listen closely at the saw part, you can definitely hear an "f" sound at the beginning. ~ [[User:MBD123|MBD123]]<br />
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== Homestar's body ==<br />
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When Strong Bad is about to saw Homestar's "arms" [He]is in a box to hold the arms. Would this qualify as a cardboard box inside reference? ~ [[SonicKB]]<br />
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== DnD Greg's Parent(s) ==<br />
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:In the Easter Egg, DnD Greg says "parent's" in both written and spoken forms, implying that the basement belongs to only one parent.[[User:Mesmerickiwi|Mesmerickiwi]]<br />
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: I didn't notice that. [[User:Chipwich|Chipwich]]<br />
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== Coincidence? ==<br />
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The outtake ("And I'm like, 'You just jingled a bunch of jangle in my face and called it magic!'") could be a reference to the lyric "Can you hear the jingle jangle sound" from the song "Money By the Pound", which is from the Disney movie "Pete's Dragon". Though this might be a coincidence. --D-Boy Wheeler<br />
:"Jingle jangle" is a pretty common onomatopoeia... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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: It could just as easily be a reference to the Bee Gees' "Jingle Jangle," Hot Hot Heat's "Jingle Jangle," the Archies' "Jingle Jangle," Gene Autry's "Jingle Jangle Jingle," Bobby Darin's "Jingle Jangle Jungle," the phrase "jingle jangle morning" in Dylan's "Mr. Tambourine Man," the CNN.com article "The jingle-jangle daylight of the Byrds"...<br />
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== La-la-la-la... ==<br />
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Just a thought here, but could S.S.'s line about il-l-l-l-lusions be a reference to when Strong Bad says "La-la-la-la-la-la" several times in [[retirement]]? They sound very similar to me...<br />
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== Typing Noise ==<br />
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There is a goof in the article as "When Strong Bad is displaying the types of magic, what he describes about them is on the Lappy, however no typing noise is heard." Hasn't this happened in numerous SBEmails ([[video games]] is an example)? Why is it mentioned here and no where else? I think we're supposed to assume that he's typing all the things he narrates while in his imagination anyway. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== David Blaine? ==<br />
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Could DeFender come in here and comment on removing the David Blaine reference? I can understand if "Vertigo" is too specific, but Blaine himself was up there before I edited it (and, let's face it, he's the patron saint of doing stupid stuff to oneself.) -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]<br />
:Sure. There are plenty of endurance artists other than blaine. I would be comfortable with a reword saying that it's a parody of endurace artists ''such as'' blaine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)<br />
::So it shall be written, so it shall be done. [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]<br />
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== pay the audience? ==<br />
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i went on a cruise and the magicion threw some money in the audience and sayed that he dissapeared! so fake!</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gel-arshieTalk:Gel-arshie2009-04-10T19:39:32Z<p>Stong L. Bod: </p>
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<div>== Separation ==<br />
DO NOT DELETE! Think about [[Nibbles]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 16:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think this article should be deleted outright, but it seems more like a character variation of [[Marshie]] than one requiring a separate page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I agree. '''Merge with Marshie'''. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 17:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Agreed. '''Merge.''' (And there is no comparison to Nibbles; this is Marshie made of gelatin, not a separate character.) {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, before you strangle me, here's the idea: Let's give this page, [[Nibbles]] and [[Marshie#Marshie.27s_Mother|Marshie's Mother]] the same treatment we gave [[Dragons]] and name it '''[[Marshmallows]]'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's an awesome idea, I agree with E.L. Cool.<br />
:::::Makes sense to me, although he seems to be more of a jell-o than marshmallow. Still, a new page for all of them would be best.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::go for it. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I still think it should just simply be merged with [[Marshie]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I also say '''merge''' with Marshie. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 03:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::DongleGoblin: Hmmm... Good point. How about '''[[Fluffy Puff Mascots]]'''? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::That could work, in which case we would also need to include [[Mr. Shmallow]]. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 13:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I think it should go on Marshie's page. Just as Optimistic Fool said, he's just a Jello Masrhie. -Ben from the fanstuffs.<br />
::No doubt about it, merge with Marshie [[User:Boc120|Boc120]] 19:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
Isn't this just a different form of Marshie? I'm gonna have to go with merging it with Marshie. It would make a little more sense. [[User:Hooray4homestar|Hooray4homestar]] 02:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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'''Merge''' with Marshie.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 04:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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It could be a sibbling of Marshies. I say '''collate into [[Fluffy Puff Mascots]]''' [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 04:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:''Devil's Advocate'': If we do merge [[Marshie]], [[Gel-arshie]], [[Mr. Shmallow]], [[Marshie#Marshie's Mother|Marshie's Mother]] and [[Nibbles]] into a single page ([[Fluffy Puff Mascots]] seems like a good name), do we merge ''all'' the information from those pages into a single page? It would seem that Marshie by himself deserves his own page, but the remainder have one or two appearances at the most, so would be best served by a short description on a single page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Marshie gets a "see main article" line while the rest get merged. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm restoring the TBD tag on this talk page, although I'm leaving the article merged. Consensus has indeed been reached to merge this article, but I do not believe there is consensus to merge it to [[Fluffy Puff Mascots]] rather than [[Marshie]]. Therefore, we should resume discussion and decide where it should be merged to.<br />
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As I recently said on another talk page, Gel-arshie is still effectively the same person as Marshie. Whether the imaginary Fluffy Puff people view him as a different mascot they made up for these commercials or not isn't that relevant: he acts and looks (other than that colour thing) exactly like Marshie. His content belongs on Marshie's page. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I haven't changed my mind. I'll bring it down here so it's easier to find: this is Marshie made of gelatin, not a separate character. '''Merge''' with Marshie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Re-create? ==<br />
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Now that Gel-arshie has been in two SBCG4AP episodes, I think that he is more deserving of his own article than Nibbles is, yet Nibbles is the one who has his own article. I think that we should either create an article for Gel-arshie or get rid of the one for Nibbles. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'M AN ABOMINATION! AND I'M COMING TO YOUR HOUSE AFTER SCHOOL!</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gel-arshieTalk:Gel-arshie2009-04-10T19:39:15Z<p>Stong L. Bod: </p>
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<div>== Separation ==<br />
DO NOT DELETE! Think about [[Nibbles]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 16:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think this article should be deleted outright, but it seems more like a character variation of [[Marshie]] than one requiring a separate page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Yes, I agree. '''Merge with Marshie'''. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 17:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Agreed. '''Merge.''' (And there is no comparison to Nibbles; this is Marshie made of gelatin, not a separate character.) {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::Ok, before you strangle me, here's the idea: Let's give this page, [[Nibbles]] and [[Marshie#Marshie.27s_Mother|Marshie's Mother]] the same treatment we gave [[Dragons]] and name it '''[[Marshmallows]]'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::That's an awesome idea, I agree with E.L. Cool.<br />
:::::Makes sense to me, although he seems to be more of a jell-o than marshmallow. Still, a new page for all of them would be best.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::go for it. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::I still think it should just simply be merged with [[Marshie]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::I also say '''merge''' with Marshie. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 03:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::::::::DongleGoblin: Hmmm... Good point. How about '''[[Fluffy Puff Mascots]]'''? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::That could work, in which case we would also need to include [[Mr. Shmallow]]. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 13:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
: I think it should go on Marshie's page. Just as Optimistic Fool said, he's just a Jello Masrhie. -Ben from the fanstuffs.<br />
::No doubt about it, merge with Marshie [[User:Boc120|Boc120]] 19:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
Isn't this just a different form of Marshie? I'm gonna have to go with merging it with Marshie. It would make a little more sense. [[User:Hooray4homestar|Hooray4homestar]] 02:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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'''Merge''' with Marshie.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 04:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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It could be a sibbling of Marshies. I say '''collate into [[Fluffy Puff Mascots]]''' [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 04:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:''Devil's Advocate'': If we do merge [[Marshie]], [[Gel-arshie]], [[Mr. Shmallow]], [[Marshie#Marshie's Mother|Marshie's Mother]] and [[Nibbles]] into a single page ([[Fluffy Puff Mascots]] seems like a good name), do we merge ''all'' the information from those pages into a single page? It would seem that Marshie by himself deserves his own page, but the remainder have one or two appearances at the most, so would be best served by a short description on a single page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
::Marshie gets a "see main article" line while the rest get merged. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:13, 23 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'm restoring the TBD tag on this talk page, although I'm leaving the article merged. Consensus has indeed been reached to merge this article, but I do not believe there is consensus to merge it to [[Fluffy Puff Mascots]] rather than [[Marshie]]. Therefore, we should resume discussion and decide where it should be merged to.<br />
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As I recently said on another talk page, Gel-arshie is still effectively the same person as Marshie. Whether the imaginary Fluffy Puff people view him as a different mascot they made up for these commercials or not isn't that relevant: he acts and looks (other than that colour thing) exactly like Marshie. His content belongs on Marshie's page. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I haven't changed my mind. I'll bring it down here so it's easier to find: this is Marshie made of gelatin, not a separate character. '''Merge''' with Marshie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Re-create? ==<br />
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Now that Gel-arshie has been in two SBCG4AP episodes, I think that he is more deserving of his own article than Nibbles is, yet Nibbles is the one who has his own article. I think that we should either create an article for Gel-arshie or get rid of the one for Nibbles. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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I'M AN ABOMINATION! AND I'M COMING TO YOUR HOUSE AFTER SCHOOL!</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Who_Said_What_Now%3FTalk:Who Said What Now?2009-04-10T17:03:06Z<p>Stong L. Bod: /**/I had one of these</p>
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|'''Note:''' This game used to have a different name and a different shape. We're aware of that. Due to circumstances outside our control, we're not going into further detail at this time. Until we are able to discuss it further, please do not ask about it or worry about it too much. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.<br />
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==Fan music video==<br />
Does anyone know where I can find that fan music video for Strong Sad's line? I always liked it. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 04:20, 1 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I know where you can find it. It's called "Strong Bad Rocks Out" by [[The Skate Party]]. You can listen to it (or download it) using a link on my forum. Here's the URL: [http://www.strongfans.com/portal/show_entry.asp?TYP=2&EntryID=169] Enjoy! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Or go here- http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/187036. [[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 20:59, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==The tab==<br />
the tab has 3-type-D animation, ie, when you pull it, it comes up horizontal, when its at rest its at a diagonal angle. {{User:Csours/sig}} 09:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)<br />
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== Is That A Cold One? ==<br />
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i always thought that the "dink" heard during strong bads say was a cold one bottle cap coming off. and i still think it is. should i put this up in stuff? -{{User:Homsar7/sig}}<br />
:I think it's pretty hard to say what it is, as there's no visual to match it to. Anything at all is pretty much speculation. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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==Name Change==<br />
This game is now called "Who said what?" I think it's because of the copyright issue thing. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Noted and moved. Thanks for the update! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Is it worth noting somewhere in the article the reason for the name change? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Doubtful. That's not really part of the encyclopedic significance. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I think it's an important part of the game's history. But we should wait how everything turns out before we add it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Yeah. When did it change? Boy, this is getting to be an interesting week. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 22:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Um, why won't we note the name change? If we aren't sure of the reason why the name was changed, we don't have to jump to conclusions, we could just say something like ''"This game's title was '(crud, I forgot the original title!)' when it was first released. It was changed to 'Who Said What Now?' in early 2007."'' And moreover, why is the page protected now? &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 17:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It's highly likely Mattel, who made the toy the old game made fun of, tried to sue them. That's why the page is locked with no mention of the original name. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Picture==<br />
Now that the game has been changed, is it permissible to put a picture of the new game up? {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 22:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I should think so, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Locked? ==<br />
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Somehow I ended up logged out, and when I noticed this page on RecentChanges, I noticed it was locked. The only explanation given is that it was "at the request of [[Karen Wagner]]"... I suppose, looking at the above comments, I might have a guess why it was locked (copyright issues?), but that said, how accurate is my guess? And does it still need to be locked? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Also, the image was removed per KW (according to the history) and now has been restored. a) are we allowed to do this and b) can someone please explain what's going on? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Well, it's a new image. Different image. But I should probably check first... *sweatdrop* I've commented it out for now, until I get an okay... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
Is it still appropriate for this page to be locked?{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 16:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
:It probably doesn't need to be locked for too much longer, but we're trying to tread through this issue carefully, so hold on a little longer... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
Is there a particular reason long-time members are locked as well? I've seen quite a few Wikipedia pages, such as [[Wikipedia:High School Musical]], which were locked only to nonmembers and newbies. If we can lock it for those people only I have an idea for a picture to use in the template. (I know this should go in its own talk page but I didn't know what to call the template) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:We don't need a semi-protected template, thanks. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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i need to add a "view the old version" link (to spin and say) [[User:slipknot6477]]<br />
:No, we're not going to do that. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
why not?<br />
:For reasons that are already listed on this page in various threads. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::In other words, [[looking old|legal reasons]] not to be discussed at the current time. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Since this is locked could someone with the privileges replace the External Links section with this standardized code?<br />
<pre>*[[HR:whosaidwhat.html|play the game]]<br />
*[[HR:whosaidwhat.swf|play game (Flash file)]]</pre><br />
Please and Thanks. --[[Special:Contributions/71.157.173.166|71.157.173.166]] 22:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Done and done. You're welcome. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Request for article link change ==<br />
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The line ''The game is a parody of Mattel's "See 'n Say."'' should, I think, instead of linking to Mattel's wiki entry, should more appropriately link to the [[Wikipedia:See 'n Say|See 'n Say]] page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Done. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Cool, thanks! Also, I don't mean to be knit picker, but I was hoping that the Mattel link would go away or look a bit better, since having the word be half link/half text doesn't look as pleasing as if it looked like: [[Wikipedia:Mattel|Mattel's]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::That is odd. Isn't the appended bit normally swallowed into the link, or is that only for inside links? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::Mine swallows both internal and external links, except any with an "'s". Then it just goes '''Blue Words Here'''<nowiki>'s</nowiki>. Dunno why. *shrugs* --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::My guess is that extra characters are automatically apparended to the link when they are only letters. My guess is that the apostrophe breaks that "autolink". I personally don't like that feature and opt to link it myself. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::But don't. The link is to the noun, not the possessive, and shouldn't be linked as though it were. Also, we should avoid piped links when possible. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::True. The link is a noun and not the possessive, but it just looks soooo much prettier! Lol. And we rename things all the time! Oh is that what you mean by avoiding piped links when possible? But I like piped links! They're my frieeend! ... *awkward silence* Right. Anyway, I just think form over function might be a nice idea in this very... isolated... case. Yeah. Isolated. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Add some links ==<br />
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Would it be appropiate to add links to the original version? I couldn't add them myself because the edit buttons appear to be hidden.<br />
:I don't think we should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::If anything, we should put it on [[Secret Pages]], but only after this page and the other pages involving the toy are unprotected, and the copyright issue is resolved {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::I think we should pretend "Sp*n 'N S*y" never existed and it has always been Who Said What?. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I concur. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
Well, there are places where the forbidden name is used, such as the [[Third Games Menu]] and [[Why Come Only One Girl?]]. Also the old [[Handheld Games Menu]] mirrors. I say that we don't do anything more until we get the Chapmans' ok. - {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
:That is likely for the best. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)<br />
How can [[Secret Pages]] and [[Astro-Lite 2600]] include links to Lite Brite if it is a registered trademark of Hasbro? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::That issue hasn't yet surfaced as a problem (and hopefully never will). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
Is it possible for us to pretend this game was always this state without creating the impression Kidelectrix predates Videlectrix? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Well, you're doing a damn good job of erasing The Game That Apparently Must Not Be Named from history, let me say. I came across this page and thought, "Ah, it's been changed", but then found no reference to [that game]. I know how obsessive you fanboys are at documenting every little thing about Homestar Runner, so I frantically searched for any reference at all to [that game] on the wiki, but found none, and thought to myself, "Have I gone mad? Did I just imagine [that game]? Why on earth isn't there a reference to it?" Nothing made sense until I found this talk page, from which the situation can be inferred.<br />
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Pandering to the dictates of the Chaps aside, I don't see why there shouldn't be a reference to it on this site. It isn't affiliated to homestarrunner.com, so there can't be any ramifications, can there? Well, there's my bit. Thanks for causing so much confusion. --[[User:84.67.250.92|84.67.250.92]] 22:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Hey, no problem. Unfortunately, it's not going to change anytime soon, at least not until the dust finally settles. You may think we're pandering fanboys&mdash;and that's fine, you can think that if you want&mdash;but really we're being respectful of them and their request. Also, I think it shows poor discretion if one's bottom line in making decisions is "Meh, what's the worst that can happen?". In cases like that, it's almost always better not to find out. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Wait, why is this an issue? Is it because of the copyright on the original errm... thing by mattel? I got lost. Suddenly everyone's acting like we need to clean up after a murder. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::The nature of the issue is such that we won't be discussing it at present; however, in due time we will explain the full reasoning behind everything. I know it's frustrating, but we are asking for your patience for a while longer. Thanks for your cooperation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::I understand. When a legal issue comes up like this, the best thing to do is exactly what you and all the other sysops and admins are doing. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::If I may chip in my thoughts on this, to avoid confusion (i.e. the aformentioned "Kidelectrix predates Videlectrix!?!" thing), whenever it is deemed we can edit this again, we could simply say "This game is an edited version of an older game, with Homsar's quote and the Kidelectrix name added" or something--we can be ambiguous and not say anything about the older game's content, just say that this one is a new version of an older game. [[User:Evan|Evan]] 00:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Here's my two cents: Evan's plan is a good one for now, but in the future, should there ever be a resolution, we can give a full explanation as to what happened to the (BLEEEEEEEEP). --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 04:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Are you referring to something like, "Homsar's quote and the Kidelectrix label were added later," because that sounds good to me. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Maybe we could also treat the Kidelectrix label the way we treat the changes of the secret phrases from [[Homestar Talker]] and the music from [[Dancin' Bubs]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== About a Fun Fact ==<br />
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I don't like the word "parody". Please change the text "This game is a '''parody''' of Mattel's See 'n' Say" to something else. Thank you. Remember: YOU made me hate this word. {{unsigned|76.184.188.124|17:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)}}<br />
:Look for a second at the [[ahd:61/94/P0079400.html|definition]] of the word, the relevant part of which I will highlight here: "An artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of another work for comic effect." That is ''exactly'' what this game is. But never mind that. TBC, via their representative, ''specifically'' asked us to use that word. It stays. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== They're s'posed to what? ==<br />
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Where can I find out more about the copyright issue? Did Mattel try to sue them or something? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
:We don't know. All we know is [[Talk:Who Said What Now?#Add some links|this was always "Who Said What"]], and the rest doesn't need to be elaborated on. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I don't know if we can pull that off since the original name is still used in [[Secret Pages]] and [[Old Flash Stuff]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Homsar==<br />
Hey, Homsar has a line but it's not translated to text!<br />
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'''HOMSAR:'''AaAaAh, My cheese is 50 cent!<br />
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-Ben from the fanstuff wiki<br />
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:<s>You can just put it on the page you know :)</s> This must be an addition to the original because I've noticed that all of the timings for the subtitles are out of sync now.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 23:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Nevermind, I didn't realize the page was locked from editing.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 23:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
::An administrator will need to add this.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 02:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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why is it quieter? {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 16:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I don't think it's quieter. It sounds different because it was added later. By the time TBC added his line, what they recorded had a better sound quality than the other buttons. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
Just something I'd thought I'd say, the cowbell at the end of Strong Bad's line is muted.<br />
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== Stuff To Add ==<br />
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*The [[Handheld Games Menu]] still calls this game Who Said What?<br />
*Include a link in Marzipan's quote to [[The Only Girl]]. Thank you for your time. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 05:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:The first one would fit better on [[Handheld Games Menu]] than on this page, I think. As for the second one, we usually don't link characters' speech in transcripts. I tried figuring out a different way to work it in, but nothing came to me. Any suggestions? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I'd say add is as a fun fact:<br />
::*Marzipan's line refers to the fact that she is considered [[The Only Girl|the only female lead]].<br />
::Feel free to reword to make it sound better. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::I think that sounds prooty grood &mdash; I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Who_Said_What_Now%3F&diff=451063&oldid=449987 added it}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::Another thing to mention is that Homestar doesn't have a mouth on his picture. I'm still cheesed off that this page is protected in the first place (I'm not going to ask why). Can we just ban it from annonies? Or is it that bad? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Please see [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AWho_Said_What_Now%3F&diff=461958&oldid=461925]. Sorry about this, and thanks for understanding.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Should headers for Remarks, Inside References, Real-World References, and Fast Forward be added? [[Everything Else, Volume 2]] has less Fun Facts but still uses headers. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
Here's some facts I couldn't find on the page:<br />
*"Each day we die a little more" will be repeated in [[Strong Sad's Lament]] and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].<br />
*"I'm [[the only girl]]" will be referenced in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] and [[Why Come Only One Girl?]] (If we add this Stux's fact might become unneccesary) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
:If you guys don't find those facts notable or headers necessary at least tell me why. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry, I think your suggestions were merely overlooked, not purposefully ignored. I thought they were good ideas, and I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Who_Said_What_Now%3F&diff=496680&oldid=462011 added them}}. Best, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
Noticed something. The page says: Coach Z's "more than 2 problems" are later referenced on Main Page 11. Let's get "prablems" misspelled the way it should be (as in the transcript), shall we? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Like I've said below a while ago, should we mention that this is the only old game to link to the old games menu instead of the current one? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== New Fun Fact ==<br />
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I noticed that the characters on the buttons resemble the character designs from the back page of the FAQ. Just puttin' this up here, in case you want to STUFF it. [[User:76.184.199.4|76.184.199.4]] 02:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
:What part of the FAQ? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh, you mean the static characters on the last page &mdash; they're very close, but I can find subtle differences in all of them except Pom Pom... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== For kids? ==<br />
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Anyone else notice that Homsar's picture in this resembles the one used in [[For Kids]] in [[Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man?]]'s theme song? -[[User:Free Bagels|Free Bagels]] 01:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Fact/Goof ==<br />
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Is it a fact or a goof that the narrator refers to every character with a "the" infront of their name except for The Cheat?<br />
It should be "the The Cheat says..." -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 19:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:you forgot the KOT and the poopsmith, both of whom have [[integral article]]s. not a goof or a relevant fact. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
::The King and Poopsmith are not ''always'' integral like The Cheat is, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:43, 4 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::still, they are mostly, as evidenced by their page names [[The King of Town|'''The''' King of Town]] and [[The Poopsmith|'''The''' Poopsmith]]. Ergo, still not relevant. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
::If this toon were created today, then it might be different, but it was from way back when they hadn't firmed up the whole integral article thing. As such, it's not really that notable. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Homsar's line==<br />
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Would it, erm, hurt if we could at least say "Assumably, Homsar's line was recorded later than the rest, hence the difference in sound quality" or something? It looks kind of silly as it is. D: [[User:Evan|Evan]] 23:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:I think it's fine as it is. It's not silly at all.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I realize and understand the circumstances of the situation, but I do think the article needs to mention that Homsar and "Kidelectrix" are later additions to the game. I don't think doing so would be a big deal. -- [[User:139.78.10.40|139.78.10.40]] 23:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== The old game ==<br />
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Wow, since when was this changed? I think it used to be a Spin 'n Say, because that redirects here. Where you pulled a string and the quotes cycled through 11 different guys. [[User:75.46.60.77|75.46.60.77]] 17:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:The name changed a little over four months ago, and then the game itself was updated about two months ago, because of the work of outside forces. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
Yeah. M*ttel got [[The Brothers Chaps]] to change it because they felt their copyrights were being skimped. (M*ttel manufactures Sp*n 'n S*y, ya know.) [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 21:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
:None of that is a secret; we are just choosing not to discuss the details at present. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:59, 23 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
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um... who said what nows article is crazy and we need to get the spin and say/who said what now thing finished. most of its discussion is with secret pages. we got to get this settled in a pole home. [[User|slipknot6477|slipknot6477]]<br />
:We ''have'' finished the page and the only problems are people who continue to bring it up. I'm not sure what you mean by "pole home", but there is no need to continue discussion about the previous happenings of Who Said What Now?. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 15:56, 12 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
::I think all the hush hush secrecy is a little bit confusing and unnecessary. If a representative of TBC asked us to not mention the old version of this game, can't we at least say '''that''' much on the main article? Otherwise it's confusing and makes people ask about it on here, which we're appearantly trying to avoid. Just put: "Due to a request by Karen Wagner (or whoever it was), details about the original version of Who Said What Now? have been intentionally omitted."--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 03:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Old Games ==<br />
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Is it notable that ''this'' game's back button links to the [[HR:oldgames.html|old games]] menu unlike the other old games, which link to the [[HR:games.html|new games]] menu? And if so, could some sysop add it? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Current Status ==<br />
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Did anyone try emailing Karen Wagner to see if it is safe to unlock this page and [[Why Come Only One Girl]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:27, 29 September 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Yes. I received a response telling us that she would talk it over with the Chaps and get back to us. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
::Any news yet? Did you e-mail again? - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]]) 06:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Circumstances outside our control? ==<br />
Can you explain that? I can't understand how anything is outside our control, since we aren't affiliated with the site or its creators, nor with Mattel. We can do as we please.<br />
:Sure, we can do as we please. And it pleases us to support the creators of our favourite online cartoon. A no-brainer, if you will. Because we can, not because it's outside our control. The ''circumstances'' are outside our control.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== In My Experience ==<br />
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A lot of users seem very confused by the changes in this toon and their effect on the wiki. Let me see if I can help. '''PLEASE NOTE:''' I am not an administrator of this site, and I am not informed on any private communications from Harmless Junk. I'm just relating my personal experience, and you can draw whatever connections you think are appropriate. It's probably unproductive to try to find out exactly how solid those connections are.<br />
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I used to work for a software company that published large clip art collections. The collections were so large, and the sources so varied (and many overseas) that it was inevitable that now and then something would creep in that infringed on somebody else's rights. A little education: This was almost always a ''trademark'' infringement, not a ''copyright'' infringement. They are two very different things which you can research on your own time. Possibly relevant here is that trademarks are much more nebulous, and determining trademark infringement can often be very subjective and depend on what a judge had for breakfast.<br />
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When this happened, and it bothered the owner of a trademark, we would usually get a "cease and desist" letter asking nicely if we could either remove or alter the offending images. Part of my job was keeping track of who had contacted us, the details of what they thought infringed, and what images probably bothered them. That second part could be very, ''very'' nitpicky, such as Carnival Cruises claiming that putting little "wings" on the sides of a ship's smokestack infringed on their marks, or Dairy Queen claiming that a soft serve cone became a trademark Dairy Queen cone the moment the ice cream had a curl at the top. (And don't get me started on the Red Cross.)<br />
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Always, to my knowledge, these issues were resolved after one or two letters from the owner and some annoying editing work on our part. Never litigation. However, the threat was always there. If we missed a few generic cars that looked a little too much like Beetles in our many thousands of car images, and Volkswagen felt like being jerks about it, they could easily have dragged us into court and gotten a nice chunk of damages out of our revenue.<br />
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If a proceeding like that took place, the plaintiffs would be able to subpoena any of our internal documents and records that they could convince a judge were at all pertinent to the suit. My emails to my supervisor, for example. Of course, if there were documents ''outside'' our company that were also pertinent, they could subpoena those too. Like if some fan website had user posts pointing out that "Car 236 looks just like a '63 Beetle convertible!" Due to the very nature of trademarks, that's actually a particularly damning piece of evidence, because it proves that at least one member of the consuming public associated the non-Volkswagen-created image with Volkswagen. Unlike copyrights, perception is often more important than intent in determining trademark infringement, which is what makes it so scary. Get enough of that to indicate consensus, and you've basically lost any possibility of arguing that there's no infringement.<br />
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For these reasons, the company lawyer was a paranoid ogre about what we could and could not say in writing about these issues. If I had to email someone to discuss a specific complaint or possible infringement, I had to use codewords. ("Do you think the fenders on that, um, banana are too round?") When you're a defendant, less paper trail is always better. No matter how innocent you may think it is. You don't want the plaintiff to have ''anything'' they can hold up and say, "Here's the proof they knew there was a specific problem, and yet here it still is in their next release."<br />
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Hope that helps anyone understand anything. I can tell you I found it confusing and irritating until I got used to it myself.<br />
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--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::With all that in mind, it really makes me wonder why HRWiki insists on hosting the old round-fendered banana menu which actually has the trademarked phrase spelled out right in it. Without leaving any paper trail, I'll just say: I'm looking right at the offending text in a Flash file hosted on hrwiki.org right now. Someone took the trouble to prevent that menu from continuing to link to the copy of the offending Handheld Game which inexplicably still lives on www.homestarrunner.com, but, that wasa half-measure at best. Naturally, hrwiki has no control over what www.homestarrunner.com still has "hidden" on their webhost. But hrwiki.org is making an awful lot of noise that sounds like "We can NOT say any of that!" while serving the exact thing that everybody says can't be said. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::The old name is not a secret. It's Spin 'n Say. It's mentioned several times on this page. The old Flash file reflects the fact that the game used to have a different name. Big deal. We don't point to the old file of the game, nor do we give instructions on how to find it; thus, it's concealed from the general public ''enough'' not to worry about, even if technically it can be found if one knows exactly where to look. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Right. Another point to keep in mind about trademarks is that the watchdogs in the big corporate legal departments bark ''a lot'', but actual bites are not as common. The barking is due to another little quirk of trademark law, which is that you can actually lose the exclusive right to your trademark&mdash;even a registered one&mdash;by not using it or not defending it against infringement. A trademark isn't the sort of thing you either have or you don't. It can be strong or weak, and have varying amounts of influence beyond its typical market, depending mostly upon how well-recognized and well-associated it is. Ignoring misuses of your trademark can lead to it being "watered down". Any marketing exec will tell you that strong brand recognition is one of the most important factors in commercial success, so this is why owners of brand names that are under constant threat of being "genericized", like Kleenex and Band-Aid, go so far as to take out ads in writers' trade magazines, educating the readers that these are in fact registered trademarks and not words to be thrown around willy-nilly, thank you very much.<br />
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::::So C & D letters are a dime a dozen. You'd be a fool to ignore one, but unless your infringement is truly egregious, your chances of being sued are slim for a variety of reasons. Lawsuits are outrageously expensive and very unpredictable; most owners won't take that gamble unless there's a lot at stake. A lot more than a silly little web toon, for example. Another reason is that suits against offenders who aren't visibly turning a profit off the infringement have a tendency to backfire in a publicity sense. A good example is the [[Wikipedia:Emblems of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement#Johnson & Johnson's lawsuit against the American Red Cross about the emblem|recent suit]] that Johnson & Johnson filed against the American Red Cross over the use of their logo on first aid kits. Of course it will be hard for J & J not to look like a bad guy in that, but ironically, as I hinted above, the Red Cross was one of the firms that had sent my company letters. (And by far the biggest pain in the twees to comply with. Those freakin' crosses were ''everywhere''!) I hear their C & D factory is rather busy in general.<br />
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::::So to actually attempt to relate this to the matter at hand, I would ''guess'' that Mattel has no intention of taking Harmless Junk to court, and no particular interest in actually obliterating the original game. They get to satisfy the motions they have to go through, and do it quietly, if it's just removed from general public view and replaced with a new version with minimal fuss.<br />
::::--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 03:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Another thing to note about why this might be any kind of deal re: trademarks: the reason any company will do this over a trademark is because unlike copyrights, a trademark is only as good as the effort you put into defending it. If for some reason, someone else started using that trademarked name and Mattel had taken them to court, they could point to the game here and say "Look, these guys didn't care enough about their trademark to enforce it here, so they have given up rights to claim it," and there's a chance a judge would agree. So, simply to cover ''their'' butts as well, Mattel's gotta take care of their own business on this. It's the reason that Kleenex and Xerox make such a fuss about their names becoming genericized, because if they let such things go without challenge they could lose the ability to defend their trademarks against someone making a more serious effort to infringe on their trademark.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 06:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
:::::Didn't even realized you'd already covered that. That will teach me to skim talk pages.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 06:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
::::::Here's two counterargument to all of this: Spin n' Say was a ''parody.'' Last I checked, ''parodies'' have ALWAYS been defended as fair use. Secondly, if I recall, there was an episode of Family Guy which had a parody of the same toy. If they didn't get sued, well, then I'm skeptical about what the intent truly is. You see, Family Guy is produced by a Hollywood company which is much more powerful and has very good (in skill, not as in good guys) lawyers and a large staff, whereas H*R is produced by all of five people and is produced independently, and thus Harmless Junk probably doesn't have very good lawyers. And if the TBC wanted to avoid a trademark suit, they could state "we're not affiliated with Mattel" or something like that so as to not confuse people. If you weren't allowed to talk about something in your creative works that's already been copyrighted or trademarked, it would violate free speech, which in my opinion is a much more important right than copyright. The only lesson we can learn from all this is that the world is run by people with a lot of money and very few morals. --[[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]] 02:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Notice==<br />
There should be a notice on this page stating that it is protected. [[User:124.181.45.149|124.181.45.149]] 07:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
:First of all, tagging pages for deletion to get people's attention is very bad form, and is frankly obnoxious. secondly, there are many pages on the wiki that are protected, i don't see any reason to have a notice for this one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== The Luau ==<br />
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Seems that an older version of WSWN is accessible from the tofu-Homestar "main page" at the end of The Luau, in the updates corner. Oversight on TBC's part? [[User:Gus|Gus]] 20:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
:We know. Probably. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Question ==<br />
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Ok, I know that whatever this originally was could land TBC in a lawsuit, I understand that part. What I don't understand is, how does the wiki mentioning it compromise the safety of the main site? Obviously, I'm not well-rehearsed in the areas of copyright and trademark law, but I'd still like to know. [[User:DonZabu|DonZabu]] 06:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:This game used to have a different name and a different shape. We're aware of that. Due to circumstances outside our control, we're not going into further detail at this time. Until we are able to discuss it further, please do not ask about it or worry about it too much. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== I had one of these ==<br />
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I didn't have a homestar runner one! But a farm animal one like "the cow says: mooo." did anyone else have one? --[[User:Stong L. Bod|Stong L. Bod]] 17:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)</div>Stong L. Bodhttp://www.hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Homestar_Runner_Presents:_PresentsTalk:Homestar Runner Presents: Presents2009-04-09T22:16:50Z<p>Stong L. Bod: </p>
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