HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006

From Homestar Runner Wiki

Contents 1 Proposed logo discussions 1.1 Current 1.2 Almost Everybody 1.3 Basement 1.4 Black Background 1.5 Edit Link 1.6 Encyclopedia 1.7 Everybody, Everybody 1.8 Field 1.9 Homestar and Strong Bad 1.10 Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field 1.11 Kamikaze Full Body 1.12 Lappy 1.13 Official Logo Homestar 1.14 Old New Star 1.15 Running Intro 1.16 Then and Now 1.17 Weclome Back 1.18 World 2 Other ideas

Proposed logo discussions

This is the discussion section for the 2006 logo proposals. Please address the logos in the section with the matching heading title. Click on the heading title to view the logo to which it refers. Please keep comments about logos civil and friendly; you can say you don't like a logo without instigating contention.

Current

The strengths of this design are its simplicity and its connection with the Intro. Aside from its slightly older style, one possible weakness is that by featuring only Homestar, it suggests that he is representative of the H*R body of work as a whole, which over time has grown to revolve around other characters equally or more (well, Strong Bad). Trey56 23:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

This one seems to be just the ticket to me, though I'd like it even more if pixel by pixel the only thing that changed was Homestar. Maybe I'm just too used to the current design. I do still want the character's latest design in there instead of one that's a year or two old though. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 08:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

It is the latest design, only drawn differently. --Trogga 13:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What makes this one so strong, and what I think we need to keep in mind with whatever we choose is that it is a logo, it is simple recognizable and easily connected to what it represents. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm kinda tired of this one. TheThingé 22:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Almost Everybody

Somebody said they wanted more characters in the logo. I think it was Trey. So I put some more in there as silhouettes in the background. I think it's a very professionally done styled logo. I like it.-- »Bleed0range« 01:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Homestar look a bit off. --Trogga 02:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Petty attempts at flaming someone else for disliking your logo aren't really smiled upon. Honest, tactful opinions only, please. — Lapper (talk) 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the two side silhouettes but I'd take out whoever is in the middle. Can't see him anyway. I R F 03:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Lapper, to my knowledge Trogga hasn't made any logos, so far only bleedorange and I have I R F 03:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

He did the Encyclopedia Style logo above.-- »Bleed0range« 03:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

1. I didn't criticize his logo just because he didn't like mine, and 2. that was honest, tactful opinion. --Trogga 03:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, no, of course not. Let me find that edit summary... ah, here we are. "It's my turn to bash YOUR logo!" Let me know what you think is "honest and tactful". — Lapper (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't meant to be taken seriously... --Trogga 03:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, sarcasm doesn't come through in written form. I R F 03:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

That wasn't sarcasm. (OK, I'll stop.) --Trogga 03:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I actually like this logo, but can't you fix Homestar? Especially his eyes. --Trogga 06:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

There's actually no difference between this Homestar and the others in my other logos, it's the same one. I've been working with the same PSD file all along. The reason it appears like it to you, most likely, is because the image is surrounded by white. Due to the fact that the logo is darker than most the others. If you copy and paste it into a darker bordered surrounding, it wouldn't look that way as much. Otherwise I have no idea what your talking about because I didn't change him at all.-- »Bleed0range« 06:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. --Trogga 06:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the characters in the background, I understand the desire to include more of "what H*R.com is about," but I see this as not being inclusive of the universe while leaning towards becoming too busy to be a LOGO for the wiki - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Blury. TheThingé 22:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Basement

For reasons stated above, I don't really think SB's basement is really the place to put Homestar Runner. It's more his domain than Homestar's. Which is why I think this logo wouldn't work.-- »Bleed0range« 03:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

just a thought I R F 04:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Nah, I think if any other character is going to be on the logo, then Homestar should too.-- »Bleed0range« 06:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The logo will have to have Homestar on it. There's no way around it. He's the guy. Loafing 06:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If this wasn't "named" basement I think it would take less flack, as this is the design on the walls of TBC's office. I mean it is much of what a logo should be, simple, clean, clear, distinctive, and well connected to what it represents. The patern of this wall is very well recognized as something conected to H*R.com while at the same time showing that this is a seperate entitity from anything TBC created - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Black Background

I like this one head and shoulders above the others, it has a professional look that an encyclopedia should have, and I really like the logo in the background which I feel better represents the H*R universe than any forced inclusion of other characters. Again like "basement" it is simple, clean, clear, distinctive, and easily connected to what it represents - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 18:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the black background would go well with this white and colorful website. --Trogga 21:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit Link

- This idea is supposed to encapsulate some of the idea behind the wiki: a transition between The Field and the wiki background (I wanted it to be a smooth, blended transition from the colored field to the washed out grayscale background, but I don't have the tools) and the [edit] link you see on wiki section headings. Needs some cleanup though, if it's going to be usable. Trey56 03:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Until I read this, I thought that Homestar was standing in a spot right next to The King of Town's Castle (grass to stone). It just looked like that to me upon first glance, and I wouldn't have given it a second thought if I didn't read this. I think the sudden change is a bit disorientating. If you blended it, however, it might be a smoother logo. Pardon the pun. — Lapper (talk) 04:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Encyclopedia

A bit plain, but symbolizes the idea of a H*R encyclopedia/wiki. --Trogga 00:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I definitely don't like this idea at all. Text as a logo?-- »Bleed0range« 01:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I was going to add Homestar, but MS Paint wouldn't let me. --Trogga 02:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I, also, disagree with the use of this logo. — Lapper (talk) 03:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I still kinda like logo, mainly for text I've chosen. Feel free to improve the idea. --Trogga 06:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would get that it was supposed to be an encyclopedia. They would just see text and go, "what's that supposed to be." Logos are generally visual. I don't like it because I can't think of a way that this would be appealing.-- »Bleed0range« 06:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I was tryin' make a logo like Wiktionary. --Trogga 06:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I get that one because it uses a pronunciation key (or whatever you call it)... and varying font sizes, etc. Yours just looks like a paragraph from a book. But either way, even if it looked better I don't like the idea. Personally.-- »Bleed0range« 06:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the Wiktionary logo is pretty bland. Not what I would have chosen for something as exciting as the HRWiki. Loafing 06:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hang on. This might be cool in the background behind Homestar... - Qermaq - (^T/C)  18:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Even with Homestar, I think it's going to be too busy and not representitive enough to be a logo, but I'm willing to wait and see - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. As a logo alone, it's quite bland, and as a background, it would be distracting. — Lapper (talk) 22:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Text woldn't work. 1.) It's boring. 2.) It wouldn't look right on this backround 3.) it makes no sense. Why couldn't you just put words as the logo. TheThingé 22:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Everybody, Everybody

I made this one fairly quickly, it could use some better-looking text. Ideas, comments? —FireBird|Talk 21:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Very good! WAy better than I could do. So... cool. TheThingé 22:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Field

I kind of like this one...and the field is a good background for the logo. What about Homestar, SB, and maybe one or two others gathered around the stick? Or maybe that would be too cluttered. Hmm.... Trey56 04:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

This isn't bad, but the field seems a little non-specific for a logo. Not first place in my book - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think this would be my favorite if it had the kamikaze background. But I see there could be a problem with the lines converging. Salty^Talk! 03:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Homestar and Strong Bad

This is a pretty good concept: I like the inclusion of Strong Bad as well as Homestar, since both are equally central to the Homestar Runner body of work. If we end up liking this design, there are some small suggestions I could make, but as an overall design I think it shows great promise. Trey56 02:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not to into this. I like the idea. But not this logo.-- »Bleed0range« 02:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field

I liked the idea above, but not the logo itself. So I put them in the field. Whatcha tink?-- »Bleed0range« 03:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I like a lot of things about this: I like the inclusion of both SB and HR, the foreground/background juxtaposition, and the classic setting of The Field. In my mind, this is a strong candidate. Trey56 03:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a very nice logo. I'm using it on my monobook right now. I increased the brightness so it blended better with the Wiki. It looks pretty good on my 'puter and I think it has a lot going for it. Features the two main characters in a classic and common setting for the toon.-- »Bleed0range« 04:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm still happy with the original, but of the prospective future logos, this one is my favorite. Simple but effective. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Kamikaze Full Body

This is like the idea with the logo but without. It's my personal favorite. I think it is the best example of what the new logo should be like. Similar to before but with a refreshing twist.-- »Bleed0range« 01:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If this section symbolizes 18, 24, and 25 as a whole, I vote for No Logo Homestar style. — Lapper (talk) 03:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that's what I meant for this section to symbolize.-- »Bleed0range« 03:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Then yeah, all for this. — Lapper (talk) 05:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I really like this one. Simple, but updated. Not too much going on, but newer.-- Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 05:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Heck yeah! 24 is my favorite. I think this is the style we should go with, personally.-- »Bleed0range« 05:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

This version of the logo is my personal fave. The old background with the new Homestar. Because he's what the site is all about and don't you forget it! If you try to bring other character to the logo, some (like me) will complain why you left out that other character. Blinking or not, I don't care. but I want this one. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 17:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Would prefer a more strait redesign of the current if we went this route, but it's ok - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I almost like this one. The only thing I dislike is the white outline around Homestar. It's too thick. I would like it is it were fading into the blue like the current logo. Also, I dislike the crampedness of the words "Homestar Runner". Maybe if Homestar were further down a little, and the words were a little bigger. I don't know. Salty^Talk! 03:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Between this one and the current one, I think the current one is better. It's simpler, more visible, and Homestar looks (and is) more intelligent with his mouth closed. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Lappy

This one is interesting and the lettering is pretty nice, I think, but the animation will probably lose it's novelty after a while and annoy some users. I have nothing against animation (like homestar blinking) but not as constant as this. Maybe a static version could be used? - The Joe^(Talk) 00:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't like the cursor blinking either. But I do like the concept. I can make strong bad in it too ya know. It's just the idea. I can take away/add to it. It's best to leave it as one character though, for the reasons that this image is too small for too much more to be going on in it.-- »Bleed0range« 01:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Good concept, the design as a whole doesn't seem to quite hit me as a "recognizeable logo" but it's again something that could be worked with I think, better than alot of options in my eyes, but still not the best - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Official Logo Homestar

Summarizing the objections from above, including the official logo in ours may cross an ethical boundary. Despite this, I think this is an example of a way to broaden the scope of our logo from Homestar the character to the Homestar Runner body of work. Trey56 00:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The black one above, does a better job of being a logo for the wiki, as I concur that this makes us seem a little too connected to H*R.com and TBC.

Old New Star

I'm not sure how much this crosses the boundaries of too much. But I thought it'd be kind of neat if the logo could switch back and forth between the original design for Homestar and the current. The one in the example above is set for 15 second intervals. But I made a 30 second and 60 second one as an example. The 15 second is just so you don't have to wait around forever to see it. The 30 or 60 is the actual timer I think it should have. Most people would see it as it is. Just a regular logo, those who stick around for awhile might notice it changed. They'd be like, wait a second... wasn't that a diff. Homestar? It will loop back and forth every 30 or 60 seconds from the original design to the current. It's not a very big file size either. Only around 20 kb.-- »Bleed0range« 04:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the still image of Homestar (current) in front of the old star, but I don't like the animation. I R F 05:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

No matter what is decided, I think that this will deserve a paragraph in our history once we all decide. I R F 05:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I basically copied the way TBC animated it. So, uhm, what are you saying man! You don't like TBC's animation!?! lol. And yeah, this is pretty historical. Err, hysterical. Hysterically long.-- »Bleed0range« 05:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

TBC rarely morph between Homestars if ever. I don't like the looking of going from old to new, it looks rough and abrupt. I R F 15:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Go look at Strongest Man in the world... that's where it's from. I did take out two frames of the animation to get file size down, but otherwise I did it exactly how they did. It doesn't have to be animated either. This is a DESIGN IDEA, it's for the design itself, not just the animation. I can make it stationary too. I kind of like it more stationary anyway. Although I had to animate it. You say TBC never morph between them, but that's not the point. The point is that it morphs between them so sometimes it's the original design and sometimes it is not. It's supposed to be abrupt. I could make it .. fade.. into the other but I promise that wouldn't look as good. How do YOU think it should be animated if you don't like it. Got any ideas? :)-- »Bleed0range« 16:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Now I made another version where he just blinks (NO MORPHING)... stationary - just blinks-- »Bleed0range« 17:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Bleed, you really don't need to get this defensive. You are doing some fine work here but not everyone is going like everything that you do. As I stated above, I like this one stationairy like the link that you post immediately above. Keep up the good work. I R F 18:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a big fan of the multi-homestar options, we're an encylopedia, not just a history textbook, also this one strikes me as a little too much like something that would be on the website, and we should keep arms length from that in my mind. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

First of all, IRF, I'm NOT getting defensive. I don't know what you got out of what i said, but I didn't take offense. I wanted it to be CLEAR that this is an idea for a logo and it does not have to morph, blink or do anything at all than be a stationary image. Which is why I pointed out "design idea," and I could go on defending what I said but the point is I wasn't offended at all. I asked how he thought it should be animated because I'd actually like to hear some new ideas if you don't like something. Don't just say, oh well I don't like this... why not say what you would like as well? Anything I say on here is me trying to make clear either WHY I did something one way or that it's just an IDEA and I welcome more. Or I wouldn't continue to keep making logos. And, Skev, I don't see a reason why we should keep away from something that would be on the website. Just because Homestar is standing in front of a star isn't a big deal. I could have him stand in front of a field, kamikaze blue rays or a million other things... but it will all be derived from something on the site. The current logo is like something you would see on the site. So that's my thoughts on this. Oh and I also made a transparent version of the logo. See this link here for transparent version of the logo. That's it for now!-- »Bleed0range« 02:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I changed the animation, it's a lil smoother now. I think. 20 second interval.-- »Bleed0range« 05:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Running Intro

Then and Now

I like this particular new idea because... quite honestly, it's going to be very hard to get multiple characters with-in the small logo and have them large enough to visibly see in a nice way. Homestar is, technically, the main character and alone can represent the toon itself... which is why he is on the main pages on the official site. This idea shows how far H*R has come from old to new, and is themed around the original book. Which is always nice. :)-- »Bleed0range« 23:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I like that one, except It seems a little simplistic. Maybe the Homestars could be moved up a little, and have the lettering the same as either the one we have now, the star themed one, or the darker outline one? The Joe^(Talk) 00:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I could do that. But I was trying to copy the way TBC actually did it on the book. I could make it show all of both Homestar's bodies.-- »Bleed0range« 03:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I think maybe we could do half old half new (i.e. the old field and homestar on one side new field and homestar on the other)? Just a thought.-- Super Martyo boing! 05:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't think much of this both for the reasons mentioned in the "field" and in "then and now" - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I like it. But, I don't like the possition of "the homestar runner wiki." TheThingé 22:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Weclome Back

One aspect that I like about this one is that by including multiple characters, it better represents that this is the Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon) Wiki, and not the Homestar Runner (character) Wiki. I'm interested in seeing other logos that incorporate multiple characters or perhaps just Homestar and Strong Bad. Trey56 23:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I like the blinkage style-- Super Martyo boing! 05:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If Homestar is blinking, shouldn't Marzi blink too? I R F 11:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Marzi does blink.-- »Bleed0range« 02:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I like this one the best. --Trogga 13:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

This is too busy for a logo, it isn't something that will be easily connected to the wiki itself in my mind, and it's just really busy. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What do mean "busy?" --Trogga 21:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

"Full of distracting detail", probably. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  21:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

World

I made a brand new logo that I think works very well. Everyone's opinion is always different but I like it. For one thing, it incorporates a globe behind Homestar... we're like an encyclopedia to the world about Homestar Runner, many people using the Wiki are from all around the globe. This shows that. It uses the fictional globe in which Free Country, USA exists, so it also doubles as a symbol of the HR world. Homestar is standing there. Obviously. And it stands out from most of the other ideas, the website itself and is very different from the original logo. I made a few different colors for the background. A grey, blue and brown one. I tried other colors and trust me, they don't look as good.

• Grey
• Blue
• Brown
• Grey Blinks
• Blue Blinks
• Brown Blinks

And just in case you are wondering how it would look ON the wiki. I made a GIF image that cycles between them as an example. It's low quality, but it gives you the idea. Example of Logo on the Wiki Itself. I am a big fan of either the Grey or Blue ones. I don't like the Brown so much. And I'd actually prefer it to be stationary, but I made some that blink too. I could always make the blink times less or more. Anyway, what do you think?-- »Bleed0range« 20:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Due to requests.. I changed the main idea to a lighter colored background. Which I like better too. VIEW UPDATED IDEA HERE. And if we wanted to change the favicon, it could always be the image of the globe itself without homestar in front of it.-- »Bleed0range« 21:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That new one is very cool, although I don't really like how his shadow is going to the right, as if the light is coming from the right. It sort of conflicts with the shadow that TBC already put there. If you removed the spotlight, that would make it perfect. (He's floating a little too. You might want to remove the shadow below him.) I wouldn't really like shading in the logo at all, if nessicary, because you want it to seem like it's looking straight at you. - The Joe^(Talk) 21:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Per your requests.. I removed the shadow on Homestar (agreed it contradicts the established shadow, though I could move it to the other direction). View Some Changes on the logo. How's that?-- »Bleed0range« 21:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that it looks great now, nice and slick. - The Joe^(Talk) 21:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I like it... a lot. --Trogga 21:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I changed the direction of the shadow, and did one without the shadow... changing the way Homestar faces to being the right. Take a look With Shadow Facing Right and Without Shadow Facing Right.-- »Bleed0range« 21:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It still seems a little weird to me with the shadow, now it's conflicting the world's shadow. (Plus, Homestar's a little off center). I do think that the one without the shadow is great.

Corrected some problems with the one where he faces right with no shadow. (I made the other side of the globe darker on accident) View Corrected One Here.-- »Bleed0range« 22:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, this gets my vote. It cooooool. It reallyhas nothing to do with the wiki exept for the homestar. But alright. TheThingé 22:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Other ideas

Do you have a great logo idea but not the graphic design tools to make it yourself? Post your idea here, and someone may try to make it.

Another suggestion, which in no way discounts my support for the current logo with Homestar's current design, is [1]. Perhaps one of those images? I especially like the one in AhnbergHand. — User:ACupOfCoffee@ 08:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)