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=== Firebert Vs. Trogdor ===
 
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{{stufffact|The Cheat does not receive any visitors until he replaces "[[Firebert]]" with "[[Trogdor]]". It is strongly implied that his initial unpopularity is due to the name "Firebert", which was criticized in [[army]] and again in [[Shopping for Danger]].}}
 
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{{stuffdata|[[more armies]]|23:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}
 
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#It may not be immediately clear to the viewer what the significance of Firebert's lack of popularity is, without knowing this fact.
 
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#It explains the joke for people who have not watched "army."
 
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#RE Args Against 2 and 3: We have a strong precedent for adding Inside Reference facts to articles where a joke is extended between two or more toons.  This doesn't so much explain the joke (read: ruin the joke) as it does explain how the joke is relevant, and also directs people to "army" in case they haven't seen it and don't already know what's going on.
 
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#*This differs from, say, explaining the joke about how there was parsley in Homestar's mouth before he read Strong Bad's message about it.  That all occurs in the same toon and needs no further explanation in order to be funny and meaningful.
 
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#Apparently, this is not a clear reference to "army", even though there are many other references to the same email within this one.
 
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#Anyone who has seen army would immediately see the reference to The Cheat's commando name. The rest of it is just speculation.
 
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#RE for argument 1: Yes, it explains the joke.
 
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*Trogdor is popular and Firebert is not. That's why The Cheat changed Firebert to Trogdor.
 
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**Yes, but WHY is Firebert not popular?  You won't know without watching "army".
 
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***SPEC-U-FREAKIN'-LATION. Firebert's name might not have a thing to do with the fact that he's unpopular.
 
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****I disagree that it's speculation.  Previous toons ([[army]] and [[Shopping for Danger]]) have all but spelled out that Firebert needs to change his name.  The implication is that if he doesn't, he'll be the low man on the totem pole, and he'll be unpopular.  So I don't see it as much of a stretch that The Cheat would be unpopular with the name Firebert.  (Note: I can't argue that Trogdor is more popular - that's obvious, and it would likely still be true even if everyone loved Firebert's name.)
 
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*****I know it's been mentioned before that "Firebert" is a bad commando name. I'm just saying that might not be the reason for his unpopularity.
 
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******Look at the scene in [[Shopping for Danger]], it's heavily implied in that one (in fact, this should be part of the fun fact).
 
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*******I agree, and thus the fact has been reworded as such.
 
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