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Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:24:39 GMT

Svelt: /* Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? */ Notable, but certain?

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

:Over the course of about 200 e-mails, I've seen many different versions of Strong Bad, so slightly changes in appearance reflect artists' improvement and are not necessariliy notable. If this were [[Lil' Strong Bad]], it would be different. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I do have to back the sarcasm there. If a proponent has the courtesy to submit a possibly controversial Fact for discussion before adding it to the page, I would call it less than neighborly to remove it without discussion. To be fair, however, the claim that it's "not true" has some merit. As written, the fact implies that TBC ''unmistakably'' used chime bells as an inspiration, which, as you just said, is a guess. It is at least equally likely that they wanted to reuse the very old gag of living creatures turned into percussion instruments (c.f. the [[Wikipedia:Marvin Suggs|Muppaphone]]), and chose Homsar just because he was appropriately absurd and had [[Fall Float Parade|already been seen multiplied]], not because he looked like bells. But if you change the fact to point out the speculation, then it gets labeled as weasel words and gets deleted anyway. The classic Catch-22 of iffy facts.

:As for interesting, I'm not going to touch that one. If I deleted every fact I didn't think was interesting, this wiki would contain far fewer pseudo-math Trivia and "look they used more than thrice a common word that I use all the time" Inside References. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Changing the language from "modeled after" to "bear a striking resemblance to" would be quite reasonable. However, I'm confident that this is not mere coincidence. If the audio were handbells, cymbals, or triangle, then sure, but a chime sound combined with the right shape and layout, well, I find that compelling.

::I have to say, though, that most people would probably agree that the "Muppaphone" had inspiration from a vibraphone, both from its name and appearance, despite the different audio. I would think that one could similarly conclude that "Homsar chimes" are related to chime bells. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 07:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::My feeling is that this would be notable, although it's uncertain that it's Decemberween. The characters definitely are outside watching the Thnikkaman go by, so that's somewhat suggestive. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's most likely a reference to [http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 St. Nicholas Tradition], which can involve either shoes or stockings, since the [http://www.annieshomepage.com/epiphany.html Epiphany] is technically not in December. It would be difficult to come up with a list of disparate celebrations involving shoes and presents that occur in December. Thus I disagree that this is [[TTATOT]], but rather a reference to a single tradition with multiple manifestations. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 08:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:09:31 GMT

Svelt: /* Chime Bells - Interesting or not? */ Language mincing.

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

:Over the course of about 200 e-mails, I've seen many different versions of Strong Bad, so slightly changes in appearance reflect artists' improvement and are not necessariliy notable. If this were [[Lil' Strong Bad]], it would be different. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I do have to back the sarcasm there. If a proponent has the courtesy to submit a possibly controversial Fact for discussion before adding it to the page, I would call it less than neighborly to remove it without discussion. To be fair, however, the claim that it's "not true" has some merit. As written, the fact implies that TBC ''unmistakably'' used chime bells as an inspiration, which, as you just said, is a guess. It is at least equally likely that they wanted to reuse the very old gag of living creatures turned into percussion instruments (c.f. the [[Wikipedia:Marvin Suggs|Muppaphone]]), and chose Homsar just because he was appropriately absurd and had [[Fall Float Parade|already been seen multiplied]], not because he looked like bells. But if you change the fact to point out the speculation, then it gets labeled as weasel words and gets deleted anyway. The classic Catch-22 of iffy facts.

:As for interesting, I'm not going to touch that one. If I deleted every fact I didn't think was interesting, this wiki would contain far fewer pseudo-math Trivia and "look they used more than thrice a common word that I use all the time" Inside References. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Changing the language from "modeled after" to "bear a striking resemblance to" would be quite reasonable. However, I'm confident that this is not mere coincidence. If the audio were handbells, cymbals, or triangle, then sure, but a chime sound combined with the right shape and layout, well, I find that compelling.

::I have to say, though, that most people would probably agree that the "Muppaphone" had inspiration from a vibraphone, both from its name and appearance, despite the different audio. I would think that one could similarly conclude that "Homsar chimes" are related to chime bells. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 07:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's most likely a reference to [http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 St. Nicholas Tradition], which can involve either shoes or stockings, since the [http://www.annieshomepage.com/epiphany.html Epiphany] is technically not in December. It would be difficult to come up with a list of disparate celebrations involving shoes and presents that occur in December. Thus I disagree that this is [[TTATOT]], but rather a reference to a single tradition with multiple manifestations. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 08:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:08:10 GMT

Svelt: /* Younger Strong Bad? */ Probably not notable.

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

:Over the course of about 200 e-mails, I've seen many different versions of Strong Bad, so slightly changes in appearance reflect artists' improvement and are not necessariliy notable. If this were [[Lil' Strong Bad]], it would be different. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I do have to back the sarcasm there. If a proponent has the courtesy to submit a possibly controversial Fact for discussion before adding it to the page, I would call it less than neighborly to remove it without discussion. To be fair, however, the claim that it's "not true" has some merit. As written, the fact implies that TBC ''unmistakably'' used chime bells as an inspiration, which, as you just said, is a guess. It is at least equally likely that they wanted to reuse the very old gag of living creatures turned into percussion instruments (c.f. the [[Wikipedia:Marvin Suggs|Muppaphone]]), and chose Homsar just because he was appropriately absurd and had [[Fall Float Parade|already been seen multiplied]], not because he looked like bells. But if you change the fact to point out the speculation, then it gets labeled as weasel words and gets deleted anyway. The classic Catch-22 of iffy facts.

:As for interesting, I'm not going to touch that one. If I deleted every fact I didn't think was interesting, this wiki would contain far fewer pseudo-math Trivia and "look they used more than thrice a common word that I use all the time" Inside References. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Changing the language from "modeled after" to "bear a striking resemblance to" would be quite reasonable. However, I'm confident that this is not mere coincidence. If the audio were handbells, cymbals, or triangle, then sure, but a chime sound combined with the right shape and layout, well, I find that compelling.

::I have to say, though, that most people would probably agree that the "Muppaphone" had inspiration from a vibraphone, both from its name and appearance, despite the different audio. I would think that one could similarly conclude that "Homsar chimes" originate from chime bells. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 07:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's most likely a reference to [http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 St. Nicholas Tradition], which can involve either shoes or stockings, since the [http://www.annieshomepage.com/epiphany.html Epiphany] is technically not in December. It would be difficult to come up with a list of disparate celebrations involving shoes and presents that occur in December. Thus I disagree that this is [[TTATOT]], but rather a reference to a single tradition with multiple manifestations. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 08:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:00:51 GMT

Svelt: /* I Lost All My Magics */ Reference seems reasonable.

==Picture==
Someone get a picture of him.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 17:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Err? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 18:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you whover did that. I really appreciate it.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 19:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
How do we know that his name is Brundo? For all we know, it could be something else entirely.
:Well, [[Happy Dethemberween]]'s page title is "Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Nominate for deletion? ==

Brundo has a Wiki article, but the Elf and the Sheriff don't. I believe we should either create the latter two articles, or delete the former one. The characters seem equally prominent/minor to me, so for only one to have an article seems terribly inconsistent. *shrug* Just throwing my two cents in. Maybe the more knowledgeable Wiki-ers should discuss this. [[User:Mathgrant|Mathgrant]] 02:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
: There IS the argument that Brundo could be viewed as the name of the show, and include info on the other characters here. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Please Don't Delete. If you are going to delete this because of the character getting about 5 seconds of screen time, think about [[The S is for Sucks]], [[Trogador]], and [[Carrot and Kazoo Hill]]. Trogador doesn't play that big of a role and Carrot and Kazoo Hill had about equal screen time. Brundo might appear again like The S is for Sucks did on the [[King of Town Main Page]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 02:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say it would be good idea to cover all the characters from the show together. They're probably important enough to be covered somewhere, but needn't necessarily have their own article. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree with Heimi. The show should be listed on [[TV Shows]], and if we want to create an article for the show, then the characters can be covered in that one, too. The article should be called [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Making an article about the whole special, including bios about all the characters, sounds great. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I agree. Don't you think I agree? {{User:TheGirl/sig}} 04:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was thinking that myself. Support making it about the whole dang special. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Me too! Let's do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::A good idea, just let's be sure to make [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak]] a redirect. This project is too ambitious for me under current circumstances, so.. this is a job for.. someone else! I nominate: the first person to read this sentence! {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I would totally do that, but I don't know how. Sorry to dissapoint, O.F. But I digress, my main point is that Onestop has a very valid one. I also aggree with Jay, and I think putting other characters into the article would put a big beefy arm on it. {{User:AwkwardFire/sig}} 13:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I went ahead and moved the article, but I don't have time to expand it. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Go ahead and do whatever is best for the wiki.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Should be have this template instead?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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== Content ==

It seems to me that this page should have all of the info about it from [[Happy Dethemberween]]'s fun facts (and more). Glad to see the addition of the similarity to Rankin/Bass Christmas specials, but there is still a lot more about it that would be worth having in the article (i.e. the Little Debbie [http://www.littledebbie.com/products/ChristmasCakes.asp Christmas Tree Cakes]). I'm not sure of the best way to fit all of it into this article, so I'm just making the suggestion. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's just that most of that info has more to do with the toon than the special. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::Some things, like characters' reactions to the special, may or may not be of note on this type of article. I see that Strong Sad's reaction has been weeded out, which makes sense to me. So, yes, including noteworthy things relating to the special was my point, which I admit I didn't explain especially well. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:04, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sherrif ==

Should we add that he also did some narrorating in [[Happy Dethemberween]]?

'''Ex''': "Yes, he's the Dethemberween [[Thnikkaman]]. Flying through the night in an [[Baloney Sammich Truck|unmarked van]]. You never know what he'll bring us when you hear those high-pitched singers!" (I'm not talking about the [[TV show]].) {{unsigned|Onestop|18:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I agree. I started to type it into the article, but soon realized the words were escaping me. I'm not the greatest article writer, but I do agree that the Sheriff narrating part of the <s>Decemberween</s> Dethemberween Thnikkaman story is notable. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Crooner Deathmatch ==

The article said The Sheriff's voice was based on Dean Martin's, which I corrected to Bing Crosby. While I was at it, I wanted to put in [http://croonerculture.com/dean-martin-and-bing-crosby-duet-medley-video/ this link] for posterity. Not only does it show how incredibly mistakable their voices are, right toward the end of the clip Bing actually takes a little sideways jab at his nonsense catchphrase being older than Dean-o's nonsense catchphrase. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:There's no way, short of a DVD commentary or other mention directly from the Brothers Chaps, to prove this. I think this information should be left out until such a thing does exist, otherwise it's just a guess.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::I know this puts me at philosophical odds with some editors, but if you want only provable references mentioned, most pages on this wiki would lose a lot of content. Anything looks like coincidence if you squint hard enough. However, Bing Crosby has been parodied quite often, and the mark of a Bing Crosby parody has typically been a baritone voice saying or singing "buh-buh-buh". Even if TBC recreated this by accident (which is equally unprovable), they still got it close enough for us to mention it. Well, I guess that's what STUFF is for... --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::It's not simply provable or not--we can't really ''prove'' a lot of references, but they're generally obvious enough that there's no question. Given the Bros. Chaps penchant for nonsense and randomness, a little throwaway is not enough reason to call this a reference, especially since Bing Crosby had nothing to do with any of the Rankin Bass Christmas specials which are the obvious subject of parody here. But, if STUFF it is, then so be it.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus? ==

This may also be a reference to Bass and Rankin's last Christmas special, 1985's [http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0089488/ The Life & Adventures of Santa Claus] (see also this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh4zIi7S3ck YouTube clip].)

To quote [http://www.avclub.com/content/node/70591 an A.V. Club article]:

<blockquote>
Santa-themed TV specials don't get much more opportunistic or outré than the 1985 adaptation of L. Frank Baum's The Life And Adventures Of Santa Claus, which takes Baum's Euro-myth-ridden retelling of Santa's origin and ramps up the action for the Masters Of The Universe generation, as Claus battles troll-like creatures in order to prove his mettle to the council of Immortals who raised him from infancy. Dry, confusing, and decidedly un-Christmas-y, The Life And Adventures Of Santa Claus replaces all that "Peace On Earth" jazz with "Beware my laser-shooting magic axe, evildoers!" It's ready-made for teenage pot smokers looking for a version of Kris Kringle to airbrush onto the side of their bitchen vans.
</blockquote>

While I may be stretching here, the "Sword of St. Olaf" would seem to be a reference to that special.
--[[User:Steven Hunter|Steven Hunter]] 01:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:That particular possible reference has appeared and disappeared a few times now, both here and in the [[Happy Dethemberween]] article. I put it in originally, with slight trepidation, so I'm glad to see someone else made the same connection and provided some evidence. Sounds like this is STUFF-worthy, so I'll take care of that. However, it's looking like we need to nail down exactly which page (or both?) the information should go on if it survives the STUFF. Discuss? My personal feeling is that this and all other fine details (i.e., everything except the simple fact that the whole special is a Rankin/Bass parody) belong here where there's more room to play, <s>''but'' there needs to be</s> as long as there is a clear link to this page from that Real-World Reference on the Happy Decemberween page. That's where most people would look first for this kind of info. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

::But again, this is another situation where knowing that this is a direct reference requires some degree of telepathy short of a direct comment from one of the creators. Similarities != references.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:12, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:::And that's why I end up on opposite side of the fence from a lot of editors. I say something does not need to be a solid direct reference to be notable. If you word it carefully and don't go overboard, the reader can be trusted to decide for themselves how interesting it is, how intentional it might be, and whether they want to research the topic further. There are even cases where something is ''confirmed'' (by commentary, etc.) to be a coincidence, and the fact is still interesting enough to live. See the Real-World Reference in [[alternate universe#Real-World References|alternate universe]] to writer John Byrne of She-Hulk. But as you know, the Life & Adventures fact is now in STUFF, so the discussion is academic. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

::::True. Honestly, though, if that's the standard, then there ought to be a different name than "references" for that section. If it's not an actual direct reference, something intended by the creators for that purpose, then that term doesn't really fit.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::I guess we'll just have to wait for possible DVD commentary...--[[User:Steven Hunter|Steven Hunter]] 01:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== I Lost All My Magics ==

The Rankin-Bass character that comes immediately to mind when I hear that quote is the Winter Warlock from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town (one of my most favorites). Was this intentional of them? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:The reason the quote reminds me of him is because after Santa warmed his heart with a new train, he spends the whole rest of the special fearing he lost his powers. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

::I've never seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claus_Is_Comin'_to_Town_(TV_special) Santa Claus is comin' to town], but it seems reasonable. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 09:00, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:41:39 GMT

Svelt: /* St. Nicohlth Night */ St. Nicholas Tradition highly probable.

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I do have to back the sarcasm there. If a proponent has the courtesy to submit a possibly controversial Fact for discussion before adding it to the page, I would call it less than neighborly to remove it without discussion. To be fair, however, the claim that it's "not true" has some merit. As written, the fact implies that TBC ''unmistakably'' used chime bells as an inspiration, which, as you just said, is a guess. It is at least equally likely that they wanted to reuse the very old gag of living creatures turned into percussion instruments (c.f. the [[Wikipedia:Marvin Suggs|Muppaphone]]), and chose Homsar just because he was appropriately absurd and had [[Fall Float Parade|already been seen multiplied]], not because he looked like bells. But if you change the fact to point out the speculation, then it gets labeled as weasel words and gets deleted anyway. The classic Catch-22 of iffy facts.

:As for interesting, I'm not going to touch that one. If I deleted every fact I didn't think was interesting, this wiki would contain far fewer pseudo-math Trivia and "look they used more than thrice a common word that I use all the time" Inside References. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Changing the language from "modeled after" to "bear a striking resemblance to" would be quite reasonable. However, I'm confident that this is not mere coincidence. If the audio were handbells, cymbals, or triangle, then sure, but a chime sound combined with the right shape and layout, well, I find that compelling.

::I have to say, though, that most people would probably agree that the "Muppaphone" had inspiration from a vibraphone, both from its name and appearance, despite the different audio. I would think that one could similarly conclude that "Homsar chimes" originate from chime bells. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 07:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's most likely a reference to [http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38 St. Nicholas Tradition], which can involve either shoes or stockings, since the [http://www.annieshomepage.com/epiphany.html Epiphany] is technically not in December. It would be difficult to come up with a list of disparate celebrations involving shoes and presents that occur in December. Thus I disagree that this is [[TTATOT]], but rather a reference to a single tradition with multiple manifestations. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 08:41, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:52:17 GMT

Svelt: /* Chime Bells - Interesting or not? */ Discussion on accuracy of Homsar chimes = chime bells

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:I do have to back the sarcasm there. If a proponent has the courtesy to submit a possibly controversial Fact for discussion before adding it to the page, I would call it less than neighborly to remove it without discussion. To be fair, however, the claim that it's "not true" has some merit. As written, the fact implies that TBC ''unmistakably'' used chime bells as an inspiration, which, as you just said, is a guess. It is at least equally likely that they wanted to reuse the very old gag of living creatures turned into percussion instruments (c.f. the [[Wikipedia:Marvin Suggs|Muppaphone]]), and chose Homsar just because he was appropriately absurd and had [[Fall Float Parade|already been seen multiplied]], not because he looked like bells. But if you change the fact to point out the speculation, then it gets labeled as weasel words and gets deleted anyway. The classic Catch-22 of iffy facts.

:As for interesting, I'm not going to touch that one. If I deleted every fact I didn't think was interesting, this wiki would contain far fewer pseudo-math Trivia and "look they used more than thrice a common word that I use all the time" Inside References. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 18:22, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

::Hmm. Changing the language from "modeled after" to "bear a striking resemblance to" would be quite reasonable. However, I'm confident that this is not mere coincidence. If the audio were handbells, cymbals, or triangle, then sure, but a chime sound combined with the right shape and layout, well, I find that compelling.

::I have to say, though, that most people would probably agree that the "Muppaphone" had inspiration from a vibraphone, both from its name and appearance, despite the different audio. I would think that one could similarly conclude that "Homsar chimes" originate from chime bells. ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 07:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:30:38 GMT

Svelt: /* Chime Bells - Interesting or not? */ Definitely true, not necessarily interesting.

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

:Removed, I don't think it's very interesting, or even true. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Gee, thanks so much for contributing to the discussion page in the week or so I left this up for commentary before posting. In any case, it's definitely true (see the pitures, the visuals and audio are compelling, not coincidence). My guess is that TBC saw chime bells and thought they looked like a bunch of Homsar hats and probably put it in. But since they use cheesy keyboard sound effects, the closest sound they could find were regular chimes. If you don't think this is true, please put forward a referenced commentary in refutation. As to whether or not this is interesting, that is a matter in which I still seek comments from other users. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 16:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:54:35 GMT

Svelt: /* Chime Bells - Interesting or not? */ Comment added.

== Magic or Badges ==
Does [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak|Brundo]] say I lost all my badges or magic?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I definitely hear a distinct "m" sound — "magic". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Change the transcript someone.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 14:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I really think it might be badges. Not to beat a dead horse here, but I do. It was what I heard the first time, and it sort of ties back to [[nightlife]] with Homestar's "I got more badges than you." -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Nevermind, just watched it again and realized that the Elf's next sentence, "The magic of Decemberween is in all of us," points to "magic," not "badges." Redacted. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Firsts ==
I'm pretty sure this is the first time we've seen the thnikkachoir. Additionally is it the first time we've seen homestar in bed without his "tee-shirt + robe" nightwear? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's definitely the first appearance of the choir... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Phone Calls? ==
It sounds to me like Strong Bad says "cold calls" instead of "phone calls," which makes a little more sense (to me, at least). [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 15:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded and edited. It's a phrase not everyone would recognize, so I'll work up an Explanation too. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely agree, makes sense in the sentence and it's pretty unmistakably "cold."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 15:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== mp3 ==

is it illegal to put up an mp3 of the song for download?
:Nah, we don't need to — in fact, I bet you one e-doughnut that it'll be this week's [[Quote of the Week]], with better audio quality! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::well, next week's probably --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Olaf ==

Removed this Real-World Reference:
*The page title references the town of St. Olaf, which is the birthplace of Rose from [[Wikipedia:The Golden Girls|The Golden Girls]]. The show has been mentioned twice before, in sbmail [[helium]], and [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]].
We can STUFF this if other people think the connection is strong enough, but note that St. Olaf was a [[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|real saint]]. If there's any legitimate reference to be made here, it's to him, but I don't see the need, personally. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I agree that the reference is more likely to the saint, and I think it's worth a mention in Real-World References, personally... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Go for it if you want. I just think it's a little tenuous. The fact is, it's equally likely TBC ''were'' thinking of the fictional town in Minnesota when they used that name. We've got no details on the "character", so it's impossible to tell. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Meh, there's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf College|college]] named after him too, along with probably a bunch of other things. But they're all named after ''him'', so I think it's fair to add a small ref about him — I'll go do it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, yes, the good ole St. Olaf Oles. Which, it's been speculated, is where the Golden Girls writer got the name in the first place. Oh, Olaf, you never foresaw any of this when you subdued the Orkneys, did you? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::The rumor is that the writer who created Rose's fictional hometown of [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|St. Olaf]] was a graduate of [[Wikipedia:Carleton College|Carleton College]], the rival liberal arts college just across the river in Northfield, Minnesota. The writer supposedly wanted to emphasis the Midwestern wholesomeness (or perhaps naivete or airheadedness?) of the farmers' kids who went to St. Olaf. -- [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

St. Olaf isn't a town, it's a college. The town it's in is called Northfield.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf, Minnesota|fictional town]], actually. Although there is a [[Wikipedia:St. Olaf Township, Minnesota|real St. Olaf Township]] in Minnesota, it's not the town the Golden Girls character grew up in, nor did she attend St. Olaf College. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 22:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the St. Olaf College choir do a televised concert every Christmas? I'm sure I've seen it advertised on PBS (though I've never actually watched it.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] [[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]] 23:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, they definitely do. [[User:12.214.16.163|12.214.16.163]] 22:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Stop Motion==

On the forum, I had suggested a Rankin Bass stop motion parody. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm so proud of you. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Wait..What? ==

Thnikkaman cant be the true meaning of decemberween, he's just a character or event that happens, how can this defie EVERYTHING that everybody said in the decemberween pagent? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think you're reading way too far into it. Equate the Dethemberween Thnikkaman to Santa Claus. Many children's specials treat Santa as the "king" of Christmas or whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: ...because it's a crazy cartoon with no real meaning or chronology, just whatever they feel like putting in?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm thinking that strong bad belives that getting unmarked media cds from the Dethemberween Thnikaman is the "True Meaning of Decemberween." Decemberween proably '''has no meaning''', anyway.
*Besides, the true meaning of Decemberween is "a non-denominational alternative to Christmas". ^_^ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

==Little Debbie==
Aren't those Little Debbie Holiday Cakes?--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oops! It was already noted! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== It's the THnikkaman, Strong Brown! ==

I know this is tenuous, but could Strong Bad's insistence on the Thnikkaman be a parallel for Linus' insistence on the Great Pumpkin? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:It's a parallel to the time he wanted somebody to build a [[monument]] to the Thnikkaman even though he doesn't know what he does. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== About Brundo... ==

If he's the Decemberween Yak, could he be a refereence to Ren & Stimpy? Most notably, the Shaved Yak/Yak-Shaving Day. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 21:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
: That would seem to be quite a stretch.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 23:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::How? One; they're both yaks. Two; they are seemingly major parts of a holiday. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::But again: similarities do not equal references. If we hear the Brothers Chaps saying something like "Yeah, we threw this in thinking about that Ren & Stimpy yak" or if it had been created with some specific visual or verbal reference in the toon, then we would know that's what was going on. Without that, we don't have enough information to call it a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup Tag ==

I don't think i've ever seen a cleanup tag on a toon before, but this transcript has no stage directions once the song starts, hence needing to be fixed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe it's one of those "music video" things, where the stage direction stuff goes on a separate page. ...Except this hasn't happened yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think that a separate visuals page is necessary, the scene doesn't change that rapidly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

== Quh-quh-quh-quh-questionable Fact ==

<blockquote>The sheriff vaguely resembles [[Wikipedia:Burl Ives|Burl Ives]], who played Sam the Snowman in ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]],'' and his voice with the "Bu-bu-bu-bu-bye" would appear to be based on [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]]. (Bing Crosby himself was never animated in one of these specials, although the reference may be due to many people mistaking the [[Wikipedia:Fred Astaire|Fred Astaire]] role from the 1970 ''[[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]]'' as being performed by Bing Crosby.)</blockquote>

This fact is useless. How can the voice be based on if Bing Crosby wasn't even in a Rankin/Bass special? The Sheriff is most likely just based on a stereotypical Christmas narrator. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:I think the fact could be compressed to something like "The sheriff resembles Sam The Snowman from ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''." and incorporated into the fact right above it. I agree that most of the stuff you quoted is dubious, but I think that the sheriff is intentionally similar to Sam The Snowman (compare the beard, etc.). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm thinking it was a broader reference than that. Celebrities from the Golden Age of Hollywood were enlisted to narrate most of Rankin and Bass's Christmas specials (http://christmas-specials.wikia.com/wiki/Rankin/Bass#narrators). Bing Crosby was a contemporary of most of the actors on that list, and is well known for his own Christmas albums and specials. Also, the voice was definitely Bing Crosby, regardless of his having never been in a R&B special. Obviously you didn't watch enough Looney Tunes as a kid. I suggest you rectify this immediately. [[User: nekouken|nekouken]] 19:03, 17 December 2007 (CST)

:The reason to nod to Bing Crosby is simple, and has nothing to do with Rankin/Bass. At least not directly. Bing starred in [[Wikipedia:White Christmas (film)|White Christmas]] and made by far the most famous recording of the title song by Irving Berlin. Also, if you still doubt that "buh-buh-buh" points directly at Bing, take a look at the page linked to from the [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#Crooner Deathmatch|Decemberween Yak talk page]]. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::But that's not proof of a ''reference''. Something that could be, and there's a thing over here that's like that, and I heard this deal the other day, does not a reference make. The fact that Bing Crosby recorded White Christmas doesn't make the case for reference any stronger.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 07:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Since details about the stop motion stuff is no longer on this page, see [[Talk:Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf]] for the rest of this discussion. -- [[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deborah or Debra? ==

In the transcript it says Deborah, but I'm sure It's Debra...
: "Deborah" is a name. My spell checker accepts "Debra" but... I've got a feeling it's not considering the ''name''... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:32, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::The name comes from the Hebrew name "דבורה" - pronounced "D'vo-rah" Not hard to get from D'vorah to Devorah to Deborah. "Deborah" is the correct spelling. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I hear two syllables (from both Marzipan and Strong Bad) — Debra. Maybe some people pronounce "Deborah" with two syllables as well, but I use three. Also, I've definitely seen "Debra" as a name before: see [http://www.google.com/search?q=debra+wiki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a lots of examples here]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Or even [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debra here] (which may explain the spellchecker thing in its entirety). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The "O" in "Deborah" is not heavily pronounced and sometimes not pronounced at all. That's the right way to spell it. Is "Debra" a real name? Perhaps, but never in my life have I seen it and the word conjures other images. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's definitely a name; I don't think it means what you think it means ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What does he think it means? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, nevermind... i got it. She's drowning in the mini golf pool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, that and (to a lesser degree) one other thing, but neither of them is a woman's name. Doesn't matter; I have always seen the name spelled "Deborah". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::(Y'know, over the years I've noticed that there's more than a thing or two that you've never seen, done, or eaten, but that others find commonplace. Maybe you're not as well versed as you thought you were. I for sure would have thought you would have heard of [[Wikipedia:Debra Messing|Debra Messing]] or [[Wikipedia:Debra Barone|Debra Barone]].) I myself did think of Deborah when I watched the toon. I think I can even make out a slight /o/ sound as Strong Bad and Marzipan say the name, and they both have a rounded "O" mouth for a frame each time they say it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There's also [[Wikipedia:Debra Winger|Debra Winger]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Marshall|Debra Marshall]], [[Wikipedia:Debra DiGiovanni|Debra DiGiovanni]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Wilson|Debra Wilson]], [[Wikipedia:Debra Jo Rupp|Debra Jo Rupp]], seriously the list goes on. I'd like to know where you've been living to have ''never seen Debra'' before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: As I was about to say to Dot Com before you Edit Conflict'd me, the ones he'd mentioned I'd never seen written out. I can't even come up with the identities of half the "Debras" you just mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That would mean you've never watched "Will & Grace" before which is... well, unusual, but whatevs. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Or that I never paid close attention to the credits. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Deborah and Debra are both correct spellings of the name. I've known people with both variations. Unless we see in text from TBC themselves, we have no way of knowing which spelling they were referring to. -- S
:See, here "Deborah" is pronounced "deb-uh-ruh" while "Debra" is "deb-ruh". There's a real difference. The less ambiguous spelling should be used: Debra. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::I agree that I only hear two syllables, and "Debra" is how I read it in my head when I heard the name. On the other hand, they do definitely make the "O" shape with their mouths when they say the name, which usually means there's an O in the word that TBC are lip-synching. So, I dunno... -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:27, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Except that a lot of people pronounce "Deborah" as just two syllables. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Yup. It's just like the argument of [[Senorial Day|gamble vs. gambol]]; lots of people said that Cardgage OBVIOUSLY pronounced the latter word and it didn't sound like the proper pronunciation of the former, apparently unaware that the two words are complete homophones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Google 'em. Deborah is far more common, nearly 2:1. Let's go with the more common until corrected by a QotW or something, if it comes to that. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Disagree. It's not "just like" since Senor C's tendency to use gibberish and malapropisms adds significant ambiguity. In this case, it's SB and Marzi speaking, so I don't think we have any reason to believe they'd both use a non-standard pronunciation of "Deborah", even if it is common. - [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::But it's ''not'' non-standard. That's the point. "Debra" is the non-standard spelling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:01, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Maybe it's just different parts of the country (or different countries, even, dunno where you're from, DAGRON), but I would consider pronouncing Deborah with two syllables as the standard pronunciation, and
would hear a three-syllable version as over-articulated. Oh, and I agree with using the spelling "Deborah" per Jay and Optimistic Fool. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Okay, I have to concede that it seems that both pronunciations for Deborah are equally accepted, as evidenced by a brief google. I guess my main point is that the pronunciation of Debra is unambiguous. (To DG: Debra's not a non-standard spelling by any means. Less common, p'raps, but not unusual.)
::::::::I don't mean to belabor the point, especially seeing as I'm not particularly opposed to "Deborah" being used. A Sketchbook of Marzi's cousin would help disambiguate, though =D -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Quasi-related, and forgive me if it's already been addressed or if I'm submitting it wrong: is the phrase 'better than Debra' intended to evoke the band name Better Than Ezra? --ham
:I admit that that's what comes to mind every time I see the phrase, but I don't think it's a reference. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sheriff of Town ==
Is it just me, or does the 'Ween Sheriff look like the KOT in an olde Weekly Stetchbook with him in Western apparel? Enough for an inside ref?
:It's clearly a reference to at least the Burl Ives-voiced snowman from Rudolf the Red-Nosed reindeer. Anything more than that would be too much of a stretch for the information available.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps, perhaps not. Here are the images in question for reference: 
[[Image:Sketchbook061103.png|150px|sheriff of town]][[Image:Dethemberween-stopmotion.png|150px|Sheriff of Ives]] 
--[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 01:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::Coincidence. The Sheriff of Town is supposed to resemble [[The King of Town]], and the sheriff in this toon does not look at all like the King. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The hat is different for one thing, and the mustache has been changed from white to brown. The SOT is not wearing a star badge. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:This would explain why the Rankin/Bass snowman turned into a sheriff. The Brothers Chaps may have given him a star because it was too hard to give him the gun. That said, I think it's a coincidence. The sheriff's beard seems clearly modeled after the Burl Ives snowman:
:[[Image:BurlIvesSnowman.jpg|150px]]
:Any other thoughts on why this dude's a sheriff? ~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Nothing coherent. But there's a tenuous association with the narrator of ''Santa Claus Is Comin' To Town'', voiced by Fred Astaire, in that they're both uniformed municipal officials. He was a mail carrier. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I thought of the mail carrier, too. Both are a stretch, but I'd back that before I'd back a reference to SOT. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 08:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== No Easter Egg At First ==

The page says that clicking "dang" used to replay the toon in "fixed goofs." That may be true, but I watched the toon very shortly after its release, and I'm pretty sure there was ''nothing'' clickable at the end. I don't recall whether I specifically clicked the "dang" but I did the tab trick to search for clickable spots, and only the "back" button showed up. [[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 01:57, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The very same thing happened to me. (I'm just a guest)

== "What About Strong Sad and Deborah?" ==

is it too much of a stretch to call "deborah" an inside reference to [[senior prom]] when homestar mistakes coach z with an unheard of (at the time) "deborah"? i want feedback before i or someone else adds it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 02:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmmmmm.....an intriguing possibility. I would suggest that a third reference would seal the deal. Anybody? Number three?--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 03:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::A search for the name only turned up 2 results, but Sbemail ''was'' the first thing that came to my mind at that line. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Deth vs. Dec ==

Should Dethemberween be a seperate holiday considering it has no reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]]?--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 03:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think so because they're just replacing "c" with "th". {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

::In fact, I was toying with adding this fact to Remarks or something: If you look closely at the words that float by while the choir sings, you'll see that they do indeed say "Decemberween". The "tH" sign is taped over the front layer, but you can still see the "c" in the layers behind it. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 04:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the difference might be related to / clarified by the Christmas differences as well. Christmas Pageants are usually about the first Christmas, with the birth of Jesus, but Santa Claus is the "hero" in many kids' minds because he's the one who brings the toys. Two totally different stories, same holiday. [[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 04:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn v. French Horn ==

I know that the instrument depicted in the cartoon is properly called a horn (corno in Italian on most orchestral parts I've seen), in the United states it is most often referred to as the French Horn. Additionally, there is a character called [[The Hornblower]] who plays an instrument which could be called a horn. In the interests of clarity should we not refer to it as a French Horn here on the page for this toon?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll second that. The term "horn" is terribly ambiguous to anyone who doesn't spend most of their time inside a symphony hall. (Look at big band music, for example, where all brass instruments, and even saxes and clarinets, are routinely called "horns".) I'll fix. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::The term isn't correct, and shouldn't be used. The link to Wikipedia is enough to show what we're talking about. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::A little more detail on why this isn't a good solution: While the word French horn is in fact commonly used in everyday circles, it's rarely used in professional writing, and thus is not really appropriate for an encyclopedic source. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The pedant in me knows that you're right and applauds it, but this feels to me like one of those cases where pedantry flies in the face of common sense. Giving this specific instrument the specific name of "horn" in any context where the audience are not experienced musicians causes unnecessary confusion. "Horn" sounds like a generic word even when it isn't and all too often will force the extra explanation of "I meant ''the'' horn." "French horn", on the other hand, is crystal clear to anyone with a middle school education, and immediately associated with the correct specific instrument. But like I said, you are right, so this is really me grousing about the world in general. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::We could try a wording that observes both, similar to what's used at the beginning of the Wikipedia article. That is, state the correct name, and then an "also called" type of thing after that. It preserves encyclopedic naming whilst also acknowledging a common misnomer. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Younger Strong Bad? ==

I'm not sure about this, but does it seem to anybody that Strong Bad looks younger or smaller? He looks a lot like he did when he was younger in the paper.

== the "run" ==

This'll probably get shot down, but I feel the need to say it... The "Horn run", which is repeated by Homestar as "Doodley Doodley Doo," is pretty much exactly the same as the "Shoobedy Doobedy Doo" in the song "That's Professor Hawk" from an episode of Dexter's Laboratory. Rhythm, pitch, etc.
There's a video of the song here [http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/21110/Dexter_s_Lab_That_s_Professor_Hawk.html]. The run I'm talking about happens at 23 seconds. (It may be preceded by an ad).
I know it's a stretch to think they're related, but the music from Jibblies 2 was supposedly similarly based on/inspired by the music from Killer Instinct.
-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:A short chromatic run, either up the scale or up and back down, as a fill between phrases, is practically a musical cliché. I've heard it in plenty of places, notably "76 Trombones" from ''The Music Man'', which is much older and considerably more similar to this song. There may be an ultimate source for it, but it's definitely not Dexter's Laboratory, and it's not really relevant to try to figure it out. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, you're right. I guess the vocalization (or whatever you'd call the Doodley's) was more of what made me think of that. But essentially it's a chromatic run. Oh well, won't be the last time I make a dumb comment, I'm sure. -Dagron

== Chime Bells - Interesting or not? ==

I thought the following Remark would be interesting, at least from a music perspective, but I thought I'd put it on the Talk page for a vote first:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], which are struck by a mallet, rather than more typical concert [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html chimes], which are struck with a hammer.
~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 21:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:My vote is that it wouldn't be the nitpickiest thing I've seen survive an article, but I don't think much of it myself. The main reason is that although the chime bells do bear a striking resemblance—you'd better believe that pun was intended—to a bunch of silly yellow hats, that's a pretty obscure instrument as mallet instruments go. The sound aside, most people would probably associate that shot with [[Wikipedia:Timpani|timpani]], and with the sound they'd probably think of an exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Glockenspiel|glockenspiel]]. Also, if you worded it like that you'd get a flood of people complaining that "a mallet is a hammer!" or vice versa. (I and most other percussionists I've known have referred to a rawhide hammer for chimes as a "chime mallet".) Finally, if you decide to add it anyway, I would suggest the more explicit term "tubular bells" for concert chimes, and I would mention them not because they're "typical", but because they're what the Homsar chimes actually sound like. I've never seen malleted bells large enough to sound very much like a big ol' set of tubular bells. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 00:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah, this was exactly why I considered adding the note - the visual had a weird disjoint with the audio, and the instrument was rather obscure but looked just like the hats. As an aside, I used the term "concert chimes" b/c I figured more people would understand. Here's a modified note, and any revisions are welcome:

The "Homsar chimes" are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).

~ [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 18:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, comment added. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 15:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

== Dethemberween Thnowman ==

There's a snowman in the background at one point that resembles one of the snowmen on Strong Bad's float in the [[Fall Float Parade]]. Notable?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 00:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Eh, it's a generic snowman. [[User:Mr. Basso|Mr. Basso]] 00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Do we really need this? ==

In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B."

Is anybody else thinking of the Simpsons episode where Homer is the voice of Poochie? And when he answers questions?

:My friend, if I had a nickel for every Fun Fact that could be compared to that scene, I would throw them at people in the food court. From that railing, like up above. But if a handful of people find it interesting, and it's not untrue or overly speculative, it generally deserves to live. Besides, that fact was twice as long (and double-bulleted!) before I cleaned it up. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Horn Range ==

I originally wrote the fact about the horn's range not quite agreeing with the tones played during its appearance, which I phrased as "the tones ... are, at best, at the extreme low end of the instrument's range," since, as a former collegiate horn player, that was my visceral reaction. The way it's phrased now, it seems to imply that those tones are, in fact, within that range. Now, has somebody actually taken the time to find specifically which notes of which octave those are, and whether they fall within a typical player's range? [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have absolute pitch, and can tell easily where those pitches fall. Whether or not they're in the typical player's range, I can't say for sure, but they're certainly in my range, and I'm definitely an amateur player. I should point out that the user who changed the remark on the page is also a horn player, so the edit wasn't made in ignorance. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Are they down in the pedal range of the horn? I am a trombone player so I'm not exactly sure where it would be on the horn. Despite the image on the screen it sounded like a tuba to me.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Most horn players I've worked with are able to play in that range. The horn (I generally don't say French horn, as all the horn players I've known don't like that inaccurate name) has the widest range of all brass instruments, so while every player certainly couldn't play that low, it's not out of the range of the instrument.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 16:32, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Bassbone: Don't forget that part of the problem is that it's a crappy electric keyboard really, so you're not getting any timbral clues to tell what instrument it is. The range and volume are quite reasonable for a horn. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Awesome, just wanted to be sure of all that. My original intent was to communicate to non-musicians that this isn't a representation of typical horn parts in ensemble arrangements, and therefore it probably wouldn't have been an actual horn part -- more likely trombone or tuba -- in a real ensemble, all without ''judging'' it one way or the other. I think we've done all that's appropriate to this end, unless anybody else has any further thoughts. [[User:24.165.178.120|24.165.178.120]] 17:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

== Club Technochocolate ==

I see Club Technochocolate listed under "places", but I don't see it in the toon proper. Am I missing something? Are we counting the black background behind Strong Bad while he's in bed as the Club? Or is this an actual error? --[[User:69.251.13.56|69.251.13.56]] 19:30, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't see it either.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:41, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Who the Crap Let Strong Sad Out? ==

*Strong Sad is usually locked in the bathtub on Decemberween, however, he is present in this cartoon. 
I tried to delete this fact because I thought it could have been too early to lock him in the bathtub. Does anyone agree? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Eh......I guess we don't really ''know'' this cartoon is taking place on Decemberween, especially since it was put up a week ahead of time. I don't think it's a big deal either way, but I don't think it's worth a battle for inclusion.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 21:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Lake of Dreams Come True ==

Am I the only one who heard the 1st "He's the Decemberween Thnikkaman and he'll make your dreams come true" as "on the lake of dreams come true"? It would match the ice-skating clip. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:If this tune becomes a QOTW we will probably be able to tell better. It's a little bit hard to hear in the toon, although the more obvious one would be "make your dreams come true."--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:08, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I just watched it on our Sony Bravia (Wii Internet Channel) and it's clearly "make". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

== Tholiday Feelin'==
The transcript has Strong Bad written down as singing "There ain't no beatin'/cielin' (depending on the verse) that holiday feelin'." When I listen to the song, I hear a very pronounced (yet missable due to the voiceless nature of the sound) 'TH' sound, making it, "that THoliday feelin'." [[User:8Bit|8Bit]] 04:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Second Egg? ==

I haven't really been able to test this effectively... but does anybody think that playing the Homsar chimes a certain way might unlock some other special scene? Like, maybe playing them the way that Gron Sad plays them in the 'toon?
:I tried skipping ahead in the flash file manually, there's no second egg. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== St. Nicohlth Night ==

This is most likely a random coincidence, but I figured I might as well bring it up on the Talk page. Anyway, Certain familys celebrate St.Nicholas night on December 6th, where kids usually wake up and find somt types of small gifts, typically candy or CDs, in their shoes. Any corrolation to the whole "blank media in people's shoes"? Probably not, but worth at least a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 18:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:It's probably related partially to the various European traditions like you mentioned, as well as the whole stockings thing we do here, so I'd say it's worth a mention since it's pretty clearly a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 19:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

::Definitely [[TTATOT]], This: St. Nicholas Day. That: American Stockings. The Other Thing: The Magi delivering presents to the Spanish Speaking world on The Epiphany. Also, other the three I'm pretty sure American stocking tradition is being played here. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 19:40, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

:::True. They all descend from the older parent traditions of Europe, but seeing as how the issue is not the original tradition but what the Brothers Chaps were referring to, I must concur.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 20:00, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:50:50 GMT

Svelt: /* Remarks */ Homsar chimes are chime bells. Added after time on Discussion page.

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|dethemberween|Toikey TV|Homestarloween Party}}
[[Image:Strong bad dream.png|thumb|"He's the Dethemberween Thnikkaman, and he'll make your dreams come true."]]

The true meaning of Decemberween is... the Thnikkaman?

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#brundo|Brundo the Decemberween Yak]], [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#elf|an Elf]], [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf#sheriff|a Sheriff]], {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Strong Mad}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Bubs}}/[[The Thnikkaman]], {{film|Homsar}}

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Classroom]], [[The Field]], [[The Office]], [[The Brick Wall]], [[Homestar Runner's House]], [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, December 17, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 2:51

'''Page Title:''' Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf

==Transcript==
''{Front view of the downstairs TV, a Christmas special plays on the TV. The characters appear to be made of felt, and the trees are holiday snack cakes. We see Brundo as tears fall from his eyes.}''

'''BRUNDO:''' ''{dejected}'' Oh, I lost all my magics.

'''ELF:''' Don't you see? The magic of Decemberween is inside everyone!

''{The TV cuts to a shot of a Sheriff, with Brundo and the Elf visible in the background.}''

'''SHERIFF:''' And so they returned the sword of St. Olaf to its rightful owner, and discovered the true meaning of Decemberween. Buh-buh-buh-buh-bye, kids!

''{Sheriff exits the scene, cut to a blue screen with snowflakes on it, as "The End!" appears on the screen.}''

''{Cut to a view of [[The Couch]], with every main character (except Homsar and Bubs) sitting on or around it.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Can someone please explain again what a mystical sword has to do with Decemberween?

''{Cut to a close-up of Homestar sitting on the floor.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You heard that nasty ol' puppet! The magic of Decemberween is inside all of us!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, sitting on the couch with Strong Sad behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Man, that's not what Decemberween's all about!

'''STRONG SAD:''' And I suppose ''you're'' gonna to tell us—

''{Cut back to the view of the whole couch.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'll tell you what Decemberween is all about! 
'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{overlapping}'' ... what Decemberween is all about.

''{Stong Bad begins singing, accompanied by music, doing hand motions as he sings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Singing}'' It happens each Decemberween though some would say it doesn't. The best thing that you've ever seen, even better than your hot cousin!

''{Music stops.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{talking normally}'' Better than Deborah?

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{talking normally}'' Oh, maybe not better than Deborah. ''{slower and more sultry}'' Ooh, Deborah.

''{Music continues.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' I'm talking about a magic man, who defies the laws of physics. He turns Decemberween into ''DeTHember''ween!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Tell us, man, who is it?

'''STRONG BAD:''' He's the Dethemberween Thnikkaman, and he'll make your dreams come true. No, there ain't no beatin' that holiday feelin', when he says "Shut up" to you.

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{speaking normally}'' Yeah, shut up, kid!

'''STRONG BAD:''' When the sun goes down, he creeps into town, and borrows your hedge clippers. And while you're sleeping, safe and sound, he puts blank media in your slippers!

'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking normally}'' It was 8-Tracks in my day!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sometimes he'll cold call random kids with discount travel packages!

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{speaking unintelligibly}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{talking}'' Las Vegas? For 20 dollars a night? Thanks, Dethemberween Thnikkaman!

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{faintly and muffled}'' Yeah, shut up kid!

'''SHERIFF:''' Yes, he's the Dethemberween Thnikkaman. Flying through the night in an unmarked van. You never know what he'll bring us when you hear those high-pitched singers!

'''SINGERS:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the Dethemberween Thnikkaman!

'''STRONG BAD:''' One, two, three!

'''ALL CHARACTERS:''' ''{singing}'' He's the Dethemberween Thnikkaman, oh, and he'll make your dreams come true! ''{Strong Mad sings only "Dethemberween", "make", "dreams", and "true".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Do-Do-La-Do-Do-Do-Doo!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Singing}'' There ain't no ceilin' on that holiday feelin',

'''ALL CHARACTERS:''' When he says "Shut up" to you!

''{Music ends. The Thnikkaman is seen flying across the sky in his van.}''

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{his voice echoes}'' Yeah, shut up! To one and all o' dang y'all!

''{These words appear in the night sky, written in stars. They sparkle and fade. Pan downward to the main cast behind the brick wall.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uh, just so we're all on the same page here, we are just talking about Bubs with a piece of paper taped to his chest, right?... You guys?... Bubs?... Paper tape?... Anybody?...

''{With one final note, the words "yeah, shut up! to one and all o' dang y'all!" reappear in the sky, written in stars. The word "back" is written in cursive in the lower left corner.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*At the end, click on "dang" to play on the Homsar chimes.

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Cold calling|Cold calling]] is the practice of making sales calls to potential customers who were not expecting one.
*<math>\mbox{DVD}\pm\div\sqrt{~~}~\mbox{RW}</math> is a play on [[Wikipedia:DVD±RW|DVD±RW]], a shorthand term for a DVD burner that handles both common types of recordable media.

===Trivia===
*The [[Telebision]] has been updated from its previous appearance.

===Remarks===
*The trees in the scenery of the television show are Little Debbie [http://www.littledebbie.com/products/ChristmasCakes.asp Christmas Tree Cakes].
*The Homsar chimes are modeled after [http://www.sawlady.com/belltypes.htm chime bells], although they have the sound of [http://www.majesticpercussion.com/ross_chimes.html tubular bells] (concert chimes).
*In the Easter egg, The Homsar chimes play G, F, E, and D from left to right, which correspond to the tonal 5, 4, 3, and 2 in the key of the toon's song. However, during the toon they play D/F—one chime plays two pitches, somehow—G, A, and B.
*The brass run played while the [[Wikipedia:Horn (instrument)|horn]] (French horn) appears on-screen is near the extreme low end of the instrument's range.
*There is a [[Wikipedia:treble clef|treble clef]] hidden in the horn's tubing.
*This marks the first time any character has identified The Thnikkaman as Bubs. It had been a running gag since his first appearance to wonder about his true identity.
*The Dethemberween Thnikkaman's "unmarked van" is very clearly marked with his signature "tH" symbol on the side.
*Near the beginning, Strong Sad's eyes seem further apart than usual.
*When Strong Bad answers the Thnikkaman's phone call he reaches underneath his desk to answer, making one assume he keeps his phone on the floor, as Strong Bad's desk has no drawers. The phone could have been pulled out of [[hammerspace]].
*In order to put his arm around the snow Thnikkaman, Strong Bad's reach is far longer then what his normal arm length is.
*Homestar says that all the characters are "just talking about bubs with a piece of paper taped to his chest", meaning he is not oblivious to the Thnikkaman's true identity, though he was in an Easter egg in the email [[monument]].

===Goofs===
[[Image:DethemberweenShadesGoof.png|thumb|Levitating cool shades.]]
*The right bow of The Thnikkaman's [[cool shades]] is missing during one scene of this toon.

===Fixed Goofs===
*When the toon was first released, clicking on "dang" just replayed the toon from the beginning.

===Inside References===
*When the Dethemberween Thnikkaman is making his calls, there's a [[sticky note]] on the cubicle wall that says "locate [[toilet]]".
*The Homsar chimes and the Thnikkaman singers are both instances of [[twin characters]].
*One of the travel advertisements is for [[Scalding Lake]].
*Strong Bad's lab coat is from [[technology]].
*The Thnikkaman's [[Baloney Sammich Truck|flying bologna van]] is actually the same van that Bubs himself used in [[Weclome Back]].
*Strong Mad is wearing the same sweater as from [[Homestar Presents: Presents]].
*At one point, The King of Town, Strong Sad, Homestar, and Coach Z all appear from behind Strong Mad, similar to how The Cheat, Homestar, Strong Mad, Bubs, and Coach Z all appear from behind Strong Bad in [[Some Stupid Turkey]].
*[[Senor Cardgage]] was previously mentioned to drive an unmarked van in [[Fan Costumes '06]].
*The Thnikkaman's pose when he is skating is the same one as Bubs' "[[Sketchbook 2007#SK-2007-01-18|Zzzzziiiiiiiip!]]" pose when he stands on one foot on the conveyor belt in [[the chair]].
*The name "Deborah" was previously mentioned in [[senior prom]].
*[[The VCR]] blinks [[12:00]] atop the TV.

===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:Olaf II of Norway|Saint Olaf]] is a real-life saint after whom towns, colleges, and many other things have been named.
*The [[Brundo the Decemberween Yak and the Sword of St. Olaf|TV special]] at the beginning is a parody of the numerous [[stop motion]] Christmas specials produced by [[Wikipedia:Rankin/Bass|Rankin/Bass]] such as 1964's ''[[Wikipedia:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (TV special)|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]]''. Specifically, Brundo's line about losing his "magics" is a reference to the Winter Warlock in [[Wikipedia:Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town (TV special)|Santa Claus Is Comin' to Town]].
*The Sheriff's voice appears based on that of [[Wikipedia:Bing Crosby|Bing Crosby]], who popularized the song "[[Wikipedia:White Christmas (song)|White Christmas]]".
*The Dethemberween Thnikkaman's cry of "Yeah, shut up! To one and all o' dang y'all!" is a parody of Santa's final line in [[Wikipedia:A Visit from St. Nicholas|The Night Before Christmas]]: "Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!"


== See Also ==
*The [[Happy Dethemberween Visuals|visuals]] that occur during the song.

==External Links==
*[[HR:dethemberween.html|Watch "Happy Dethemberween"]]
*[[HR:dethemberween.swf|View the Flash file for "Happy Dethemberween"]]
*[[Forum:13151|Forum thread re: Happy Dethemberween]]

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Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:28:39 GMT

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Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:49:59 GMT

Svelt: /* Sheriff of Town */ Comment on "Sheriff of Town"

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Svelt — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:46:20 GMT

Svelt: From the Rank & Bass production, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer."

== Summary ==
From the Rank & Bass production, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer."
== Licensing ==
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Talk:Happy Dethemberween

Svelt — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:31:42 GMT

Svelt: Homsar chimes are "chime bells"

Bug In Mouth Disease

Svelt — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:29:00 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ formatting

[[Image:Bug_in_mouth.PNG|thumb|"It deliciously didn't work!"]]
Homestar swallows a bug and fears the end of the good times while Strong Bad is taped to the TV and Strong Sad searches for "the blue ones".

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, [[The Bug]]

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' May 9, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 5:10

'''Page Title:''' Don't...kill...bugs.

==Transcript==

''{In the basement, Strong Sad is watching TV.}''

'''TV VOICE''': And that's why come Shakespeare was so awesome.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh! I see now.

''(Strong Bad enters.)''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, Dairy Queen.

'''STRONG SAD:''' I already told you, I don't want to be called that any more! I made a mistake!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, sorry, Dairy Queen. Anyways, look. I just thought you should know that all your underwears somehow ended up individually priced and labeled in an online auction.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{gets up, runs out of the room}'' Nobody buy the blue ones!

'''STRONG BAD:''' That was too easy. Now to settle down for the 24-hour Caleb Rentpayer marathon! ''{Changes channel}''

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Caleb, were you making a little tent out of my jacket?

'''CALEB:''' I am now!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, you make that little tent, Caleb! He's not the boss of you!

''{Cut to the field. Homestar is running along. Cue music beat.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing approximately to the tune of the [[Theme Song Video | Homestar Runner Theme Song]]}'' Hooomestaaar is running. Along. Hooomestaaa– ''{A record scratches as he suddenly stops and starts coughing/spitting profusely.}'' Agh! I swallowed a bug! Bug swallow! Bug swallow! What do I do? What do I do? ''{composes himself}'' Okay, okay, calm down. Calm... down. Remember health class. A-hem. ''(goes down on one knee, speaks slowly and deliberately}'' Sir or madam, are you all right? Do you need medical resistance? ''{anguished}'' Oh, it's not working! The good times are over! ''{runs off}''

''{The music starts in as we cut to another part of the field, where the King of Town and Pom Pom are eating ice cream bars.}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' I keep telling him the sun don't rise and set on that pile of whatsit, but he don't want to listen!

''{Homestar runs in.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{greeting bubbling noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Pom Pom! Santa! I think I swallowed a bug! ''{kneels down in front of the King of Town}'' The good times are over! You gotta help me out! I could die!

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Well, what do you want we should do?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Gimme them dang ice creams! ''{grabs the ice cream bars}'' We'll freeze 'em out! ''{scarfs them}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Doo! That stuff's prescription!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sobs}'' It deliciously didn't work! ''{pokes Pom Pom with the one of the leftover sticks and Pom Pom narrows his eyes at Homestar, annoyed}'' Agh! ''(runs off}''

''{Cut to the basement, where Strong Bad is still watching TV.}''

'''CALEB:''' You throw like a girl, Tucksworth.

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Caleb, that suitcase was heavy!

''{Strong Sad enters.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' What online auction? I can't find anything. I even did an image search for "the blue ones" and got nothing. Or… nothing pleasant, anyway.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, keep searching. Try putting stuff in quotes or something. Or use "and" and "or". Oh yeah, "and" go away.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, Boolean operators! "Blue ''and'' ones"! Good idea! ''{walks off}''

''{Cut to Bubs' concession stand. Bubs is burning an envelope labelled "EXHIBIT A" with a lighter.}'' 

'''BUBS:''' This is just fine!

''{Homestar runs in and Bubs drops the lighter and throws away the envelope.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Bubs, you're a doctor, right? I think a bug flew into the side of my mouth. I'm afraid the good times are over!

'''BUBS:''' A doctor, eh? I think I might be one of those. Let me take a look. ''{examines a wad of his business cards}'' Whadda we got here? Bail bondsman, paranormal investigator, normal investigator… Oh, here we go! "Dr." Bubs! Let's take a look atcha.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aaaaah. ''{opens mouth}''

'''BUBS:''' Hmm… ''{peers inside; Homestar gurgles "You got it?"}'' Okay… ''{Homestar gurgles okay...}'' Yes, yes. ''{Homestar gurgles yes,yes}'' Interesting. ''{Homestar makes a noise}'' I've got terrible, terrible news, Homestar.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh no! Is it about the good times?

'''BUBS:''' I'm afraid you've got no pancreas. ''{Homestar looks annoyed}'' But I do happen to have a fresh one for sale right here! ''{picks up a cooler labelled "EXHIBIT B" and places it on the counter}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Bubs, are you an unethical quack?

'''BUBS:''' The most quackinest!

''{Cut to the basement, where Strong Bad is watching TV with a fork in his hand and a skillet in his lap.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating Tucksworth}'' Strong Caleb, did you make the best omelette ever during the commercial break? ''{imitating Caleb}'' I sure did.

''{Homestar runs in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad! I think I –

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''(silencing him}'' Ah-ah-ah! Not today, McDorkle.

''{Homestar leaves then jumps in from the other side.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad! I think a bug might have –

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can't you see Grandma's watching her stories?

''{Homestar leaves.}''

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Why aren't you breathing, Caleb?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{pops up from behind the couch}'' Strong Bad – ''{Strong Bad hits him with his skillet}'' Ugh. ''{falls down}''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' And coming up next on ''Caleb Rentpayer'', find out ''whom'' shot Caleb.

'''STRONG BAD:''' "Who shot Caleb?" Oh, there's no way I'm missing that one. NO WAY.

''{Fade to black. Some time later, Homestar emerges from behind the couch. Couch is empty.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawns}'' That was a great skillet nap! Thanks, Strong Bad. Strong Bad?

''{Strong Bad is duct-taped to the TV.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can't… miss… any of the action!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, the good times are over! I swallowed your computer!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You ''what''? ''{tears his head from the TV}'' ''{TV music stops}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, I mean a small bug. I swallowed a small bug.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw. Now my head's not taped to the TV.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, I really need your help!

'''STRONG BAD:''' And ''I'' really need to find out who shot Caleb Rentpayer!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, that's easy. I did.

'''STRONG BAD:''' You-ka – w-wha?

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Homestar Runner, did you shoot Caleb?

''{Homestar appears on the TV, wearing the sunglasses he wears in [[the bet]].}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I sure did.

'''STRONG BAD:''' You traitor! You shot my favorite TV show! ''(throws the remote at Homestar's face}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hiccup. ''{the bug flies out of his mouth}'' Hey, look at that! A little guy. A bug ''did'' fly in my mouth!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh… the good times are ''definitely'' over.

''{Strong Sad runs in, wearing a blue pair of underwear. Strong Bad opens his mouth in surprise.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' The world is saved! I found the blue ooooones!

''{The bug flies across the screen as the toon ends}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*A [[Wikipedia:Logical_connective|Boolean operator]] is a logical conjunction describing the relationship between two assertions ('and' and 'or' being primary examples). Some search engines accept them.
*Using quotes refers to putting a multi-word search term inside of quotation marks. Most search engines will find the entire, unbroken phrase instead of the individual words.
*The [[Wikipedia:pancreas|pancreas]] is a large lobulated organ that secretes digestive enzymes and the hormones insulin and glucagon.
*A [[Wikipedia:Bail_bondsman|bail bondsman]] is a person who posts bail in exchange for a fee, usually 10 percent of the total bail.
*A "[[wikipedia:Quackery|quack]]" is an untrained person who pretends to be a physician and dispenses medical advice and treatment.

===Trivia===
*Bubs' cards read:
Bubs
Bail Bondsman,
Extraordinaire

pager: 555-7896
beeper: 555-3421

BUBS
PARANORMAL
INVESTIGATOR

EEEEEMAIL: BUBS@BUBS.BUBS

Bubs
Normal
Investigator

"Not Associated with
Bubs: Paranaormal Investigator!!"

"Dr." Bubs

VCR Repair/Fashion Consultant

*Bubs' e-mail address here is bubs@bubs.bubs, but it was bubs@homestarrunner.com in [[unused emails]].
*When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".
*"Coola" is written on the bottom right corner of the cooler.
*"The good times are over!" has been [[Quote of the Week]] twice, though the second time was for only one day.

===Remarks===
*Strong Sad has underwear even though he says he "doesn't really wear clothes" in his [[Strong Sad's Lament|blog]].
*When Strong Bad refers to Strong Sad as "Dairy Queen", he might be referencing the fact that Strong Sad's head resembles a serving of Dairy Queen ice cream.
*The telephone numbers on Bubs' business cards have the prefix [[Wikipedia:555_telephone_number|555]], which is commonly used for fictional numbers in North American movies and television.

===Goofs===
*When Strong Sad turns around in front of the couch after talking about Boolean operators, his leg appears behind [[Remote Control|the remote]] that is on the couch.
*Bubs' "Normal Investigator" card misspells "paranormal".
*When Strong Bad is duct taped to the TV, there are five pieces of tape. After he turns around, there are only four.
*In the frame in which Strong Bad's head is turned to the right while looking backwards at Homestar, the grey section is visible on both ends of the tape, but the silver, sticky side is the one which should be showing on the end between Strong Bad's head and the TV.
*The Basement's stripe is extra low in the scene where Homestar wakes up from his skillet nap.

===Inside References===
*Bubs provided VCR repair in the email [[12:00]].
*The scene featuring Homestar running over darkened hills is similar to [[Old Intro 2]].
*"The most quackinest" may be a reference to [[Pom Pom#Character video transcript|Pom Pom's character video]], the page title of which is "The Most Mackinest".
*''[[Caleb Rentpayer]]'' first appeared in [[secret recipes]]. This is the first time the show and Tucksworth have been named.
*Homestar uses the same sunglasses in the email [[the bet]].
*[[The VCR]] on the top of the TV is the same VCR as the one used in the Characters page and the email [[12:00]].



*The drum beat heard in the background of the beginning music is from the email [[the facts]], when [[Cubeland]] was featured.
*The brown ice cream bar drawing originally appeared as Homestar's purple popsicle in [[the facts]].

===Real-World References===
*The title of the toon is based on [[Wikipedia:Foot and mouth disease|foot and mouth disease]], a disease which affects cattle.
*The page title (Don't...kill...bugs.) is a reference to [[wikipedia:Bob & Doug McKenzie|Bob & Doug McKenzie's]] [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001EPF/qid=1103258200/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-4330593-4682322?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 "Great White North" album]. Specifically, it refers to the [http://www.mts.net/~marcz/hosers/elron2.htm "Elron McKenzie"] track, where Doug plays a preacher whose sermon deals with the importance of not killing bugs.
*The "Whom shot Caleb?" episode is a reference to the often-parodied shooting of J. R. Ewing on [[wikipedia:Dallas_%28TV_series%29|Dallas]].
*Homestar overreacting over swallowing a bug is similar to a [[Wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]] episode, in which [[Wikipedia:George_Costanza|George]] did the same thing.
*When Strong Sad says, "I even did an image search..." he is referring to web sites (such as [http://images.google.com/images?q=blue+ones&hl=en Google Image Search]) which feature search engines that allow you to search for pictures instead of web pages.
[[Image:CalebRentplayerBackground.JPG|thumb|Video games!]]
*When Strong Bad removes his head from the TV, on the left side of the screen, you can see a [[Wikipedia:Super Nintendo|Super Nintendo]] which was a popular video game system in the early and mid 1990's. If Strong Bad is removed, a black [[Wikipedia:Gamecube|Gamecube]] is also visible. Some [[Wikipedia:Nintendo 64|Nintendo 64]] game cartridges are also visible.
**You can also make out what appears to be an [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]] on the right side.
*[[Wikipedia:Dairy Queen|Dairy Queen]] is a restaurant [http://www.dairyqueen.com chain] that was founded in 1940 in Kankakee, Illinois. It is best known for its line of "soft-serve" ice cream products.

==External Links==
* [[HR:buginmouth.html|watch "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
* [[HR:buginmouth.swf|view the Flash file for "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
* [[Forum:3174|forum thread re: "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
[[Category: Toons]]

Bug In Mouth Disease

Svelt — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:28:06 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Ice cream bar from popsicle

[[Image:Bug_in_mouth.PNG|thumb|"It deliciously didn't work!"]]
Homestar swallows a bug and fears the end of the good times while Strong Bad is taped to the TV and Strong Sad searches for "the blue ones".

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, [[The Bug]]

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' May 9, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 5:10

'''Page Title:''' Don't...kill...bugs.

==Transcript==

''{In the basement, Strong Sad is watching TV.}''

'''TV VOICE''': And that's why come Shakespeare was so awesome.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh! I see now.

''(Strong Bad enters.)''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, Dairy Queen.

'''STRONG SAD:''' I already told you, I don't want to be called that any more! I made a mistake!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, sorry, Dairy Queen. Anyways, look. I just thought you should know that all your underwears somehow ended up individually priced and labeled in an online auction.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{gets up, runs out of the room}'' Nobody buy the blue ones!

'''STRONG BAD:''' That was too easy. Now to settle down for the 24-hour Caleb Rentpayer marathon! ''{Changes channel}''

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Caleb, were you making a little tent out of my jacket?

'''CALEB:''' I am now!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, you make that little tent, Caleb! He's not the boss of you!

''{Cut to the field. Homestar is running along. Cue music beat.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing approximately to the tune of the [[Theme Song Video | Homestar Runner Theme Song]]}'' Hooomestaaar is running. Along. Hooomestaaa– ''{A record scratches as he suddenly stops and starts coughing/spitting profusely.}'' Agh! I swallowed a bug! Bug swallow! Bug swallow! What do I do? What do I do? ''{composes himself}'' Okay, okay, calm down. Calm... down. Remember health class. A-hem. ''(goes down on one knee, speaks slowly and deliberately}'' Sir or madam, are you all right? Do you need medical resistance? ''{anguished}'' Oh, it's not working! The good times are over! ''{runs off}''

''{The music starts in as we cut to another part of the field, where the King of Town and Pom Pom are eating ice cream bars.}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' I keep telling him the sun don't rise and set on that pile of whatsit, but he don't want to listen!

''{Homestar runs in.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{greeting bubbling noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Pom Pom! Santa! I think I swallowed a bug! ''{kneels down in front of the King of Town}'' The good times are over! You gotta help me out! I could die!

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Well, what do you want we should do?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Gimme them dang ice creams! ''{grabs the ice cream bars}'' We'll freeze 'em out! ''{scarfs them}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Doo! That stuff's prescription!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sobs}'' It deliciously didn't work! ''{pokes Pom Pom with the one of the leftover sticks and Pom Pom narrows his eyes at Homestar, annoyed}'' Agh! ''(runs off}''

''{Cut to the basement, where Strong Bad is still watching TV.}''

'''CALEB:''' You throw like a girl, Tucksworth.

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Caleb, that suitcase was heavy!

''{Strong Sad enters.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' What online auction? I can't find anything. I even did an image search for "the blue ones" and got nothing. Or… nothing pleasant, anyway.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, keep searching. Try putting stuff in quotes or something. Or use "and" and "or". Oh yeah, "and" go away.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, Boolean operators! "Blue ''and'' ones"! Good idea! ''{walks off}''

''{Cut to Bubs' concession stand. Bubs is burning an envelope labelled "EXHIBIT A" with a lighter.}'' 

'''BUBS:''' This is just fine!

''{Homestar runs in and Bubs drops the lighter and throws away the envelope.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Bubs, you're a doctor, right? I think a bug flew into the side of my mouth. I'm afraid the good times are over!

'''BUBS:''' A doctor, eh? I think I might be one of those. Let me take a look. ''{examines a wad of his business cards}'' Whadda we got here? Bail bondsman, paranormal investigator, normal investigator… Oh, here we go! "Dr." Bubs! Let's take a look atcha.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aaaaah. ''{opens mouth}''

'''BUBS:''' Hmm… ''{peers inside; Homestar gurgles "You got it?"}'' Okay… ''{Homestar gurgles okay...}'' Yes, yes. ''{Homestar gurgles yes,yes}'' Interesting. ''{Homestar makes a noise}'' I've got terrible, terrible news, Homestar.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh no! Is it about the good times?

'''BUBS:''' I'm afraid you've got no pancreas. ''{Homestar looks annoyed}'' But I do happen to have a fresh one for sale right here! ''{picks up a cooler labelled "EXHIBIT B" and places it on the counter}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Bubs, are you an unethical quack?

'''BUBS:''' The most quackinest!

''{Cut to the basement, where Strong Bad is watching TV with a fork in his hand and a skillet in his lap.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating Tucksworth}'' Strong Caleb, did you make the best omelette ever during the commercial break? ''{imitating Caleb}'' I sure did.

''{Homestar runs in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad! I think I –

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''(silencing him}'' Ah-ah-ah! Not today, McDorkle.

''{Homestar leaves then jumps in from the other side.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad! I think a bug might have –

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can't you see Grandma's watching her stories?

''{Homestar leaves.}''

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Why aren't you breathing, Caleb?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{pops up from behind the couch}'' Strong Bad – ''{Strong Bad hits him with his skillet}'' Ugh. ''{falls down}''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' And coming up next on ''Caleb Rentpayer'', find out ''whom'' shot Caleb.

'''STRONG BAD:''' "Who shot Caleb?" Oh, there's no way I'm missing that one. NO WAY.

''{Fade to black. Some time later, Homestar emerges from behind the couch. Couch is empty.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawns}'' That was a great skillet nap! Thanks, Strong Bad. Strong Bad?

''{Strong Bad is duct-taped to the TV.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can't… miss… any of the action!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, the good times are over! I swallowed your computer!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You ''what''? ''{tears his head from the TV}'' ''{TV music stops}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, I mean a small bug. I swallowed a small bug.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw. Now my head's not taped to the TV.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, I really need your help!

'''STRONG BAD:''' And ''I'' really need to find out who shot Caleb Rentpayer!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, that's easy. I did.

'''STRONG BAD:''' You-ka – w-wha?

'''TUCKSWORTH:''' Homestar Runner, did you shoot Caleb?

''{Homestar appears on the TV, wearing the sunglasses he wears in [[the bet]].}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I sure did.

'''STRONG BAD:''' You traitor! You shot my favorite TV show! ''(throws the remote at Homestar's face}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hiccup. ''{the bug flies out of his mouth}'' Hey, look at that! A little guy. A bug ''did'' fly in my mouth!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh… the good times are ''definitely'' over.

''{Strong Sad runs in, wearing a blue pair of underwear. Strong Bad opens his mouth in surprise.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' The world is saved! I found the blue ooooones!

''{The bug flies across the screen as the toon ends}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*A [[Wikipedia:Logical_connective|Boolean operator]] is a logical conjunction describing the relationship between two assertions ('and' and 'or' being primary examples). Some search engines accept them.
*Using quotes refers to putting a multi-word search term inside of quotation marks. Most search engines will find the entire, unbroken phrase instead of the individual words.
*The [[Wikipedia:pancreas|pancreas]] is a large lobulated organ that secretes digestive enzymes and the hormones insulin and glucagon.
*A [[Wikipedia:Bail_bondsman|bail bondsman]] is a person who posts bail in exchange for a fee, usually 10 percent of the total bail.
*A "[[wikipedia:Quackery|quack]]" is an untrained person who pretends to be a physician and dispenses medical advice and treatment.

===Trivia===
*Bubs' cards read:
Bubs
Bail Bondsman,
Extraordinaire

pager: 555-7896
beeper: 555-3421

BUBS
PARANORMAL
INVESTIGATOR

EEEEEMAIL: BUBS@BUBS.BUBS

Bubs
Normal
Investigator

"Not Associated with
Bubs: Paranaormal Investigator!!"

"Dr." Bubs

VCR Repair/Fashion Consultant

*Bubs' e-mail address here is bubs@bubs.bubs, but it was bubs@homestarrunner.com in [[unused emails]].
*When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".
*"Coola" is written on the bottom right corner of the cooler.
*"The good times are over!" has been [[Quote of the Week]] twice, though the second time was for only one day.

===Remarks===
*Strong Sad has underwear even though he says he "doesn't really wear clothes" in his [[Strong Sad's Lament|blog]].
*When Strong Bad refers to Strong Sad as "Dairy Queen", he might be referencing the fact that Strong Sad's head resembles a serving of Dairy Queen ice cream.
*The telephone numbers on Bubs' business cards have the prefix [[Wikipedia:555_telephone_number|555]], which is commonly used for fictional numbers in North American movies and television.

===Goofs===
*When Strong Sad turns around in front of the couch after talking about Boolean operators, his leg appears behind [[Remote Control|the remote]] that is on the couch.
*Bubs' "Normal Investigator" card misspells "paranormal".
*When Strong Bad is duct taped to the TV, there are five pieces of tape. After he turns around, there are only four.
*In the frame in which Strong Bad's head is turned to the right while looking backwards at Homestar, the grey section is visible on both ends of the tape, but the silver, sticky side is the one which should be showing on the end between Strong Bad's head and the TV.
*The Basement's stripe is extra low in the scene where Homestar wakes up from his skillet nap.

===Inside References===
*Bubs provided VCR repair in the email [[12:00]].
*The scene featuring Homestar running over darkened hills is similar to [[Old Intro 2]].
*"The most quackinest" may be a reference to [[Pom Pom#Character video transcript|Pom Pom's character video]], the page title of which is "The Most Mackinest".
*''[[Caleb Rentpayer]]'' first appeared in [[secret recipes]]. This is the first time the show and Tucksworth have been named.
*Homestar uses the same sunglasses in the email "the bet."
*[[The VCR]] on the top of the TV is the same VCR as the one used in the Characters page and the email [[12:00]].



*The drum beat heard in the background of the beginning music is from the email [[the facts]], when [[Cubeland]] was featured.
*The brown ice cream bar drawing originally appeared as Homestar's purple popsicle in [[the facts]].

===Real-World References===
*The title of the toon is based on [[Wikipedia:Foot and mouth disease|foot and mouth disease]], a disease which affects cattle.
*The page title (Don't...kill...bugs.) is a reference to [[wikipedia:Bob & Doug McKenzie|Bob & Doug McKenzie's]] [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000001EPF/qid=1103258200/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-4330593-4682322?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 "Great White North" album]. Specifically, it refers to the [http://www.mts.net/~marcz/hosers/elron2.htm "Elron McKenzie"] track, where Doug plays a preacher whose sermon deals with the importance of not killing bugs.
*The "Whom shot Caleb?" episode is a reference to the often-parodied shooting of J. R. Ewing on [[wikipedia:Dallas_%28TV_series%29|Dallas]].
*Homestar overreacting over swallowing a bug is similar to a [[Wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]] episode, in which [[Wikipedia:George_Costanza|George]] did the same thing.
*When Strong Sad says, "I even did an image search..." he is referring to web sites (such as [http://images.google.com/images?q=blue+ones&hl=en Google Image Search]) which feature search engines that allow you to search for pictures instead of web pages.
[[Image:CalebRentplayerBackground.JPG|thumb|Video games!]]
*When Strong Bad removes his head from the TV, on the left side of the screen, you can see a [[Wikipedia:Super Nintendo|Super Nintendo]] which was a popular video game system in the early and mid 1990's. If Strong Bad is removed, a black [[Wikipedia:Gamecube|Gamecube]] is also visible. Some [[Wikipedia:Nintendo 64|Nintendo 64]] game cartridges are also visible.
**You can also make out what appears to be an [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]] on the right side.
*[[Wikipedia:Dairy Queen|Dairy Queen]] is a restaurant [http://www.dairyqueen.com chain] that was founded in 1940 in Kankakee, Illinois. It is best known for its line of "soft-serve" ice cream products.

==External Links==
* [[HR:buginmouth.html|watch "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
* [[HR:buginmouth.swf|view the Flash file for "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
* [[Forum:3174|forum thread re: "Bug In Mouth Disease"]]
[[Category: Toons]]

the facts

Svelt — Sun, 08 Jan 2006 10:24:02 GMT

Svelt: /* Fast Forward */ Popsicle-->Ice Cream Bar

[[Image:Cubeland.PNG|thumb|Strong Mad in Cubeland]]

'''Strong Bad Email #114'''

Strong Bad tells Jess G.OH why Strong Mad can't have his own cartoon. Meanwhile, Homestar is determined that his "[[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|own cartoon]]" will be a #1 hit.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Cubeland]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Strong Mad's Room]]

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' September 20, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 2:53

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' I'm checkin' e-mail, I'm checkin' e-mail. Hey, hey, I'm checkin' e-mail, I'm checkin' e-mail..
''{Strong Bad reads the email out loud}''

<blockquote class="email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
I was just wondering, why doesn't 
Strong Mad have his own cartoon? 
 
Your fan, 
Jess G. OH</blockquote>

''{He pronounces "Dear Strong Bad" as "Dah Sto Bo" and "Jess G. OH" as "Jess... G'oh!!"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' {typing} Well, Jess, as much as I cherish brother Graw Mad, let's look at the facts:

''{A grid appears on the screen and lines "scan" across from top to bottom and then left to right, revealing an image of Strong Mad next to which it says "Fact 1:"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fact one: The guy's got a pretty tenuous grasp on the English language. ''{"Tenuous grasp of the English language" appears on the screen.}'' For examplé: ''{pronounced ex-AM-play}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad at his desk. He turns on his stool and calls off screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, Strong Mad! What, uh.. What's my favorite movie?

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{from off-screen}'' ''GARBLEDINA''!

''{Cut back to the screen where it says "Fact 2:"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fact two: ''Garbledina''. ''{"Garbledina" appears on the screen and the illustrated Strong Mad's eyebrows raise. Strong bad strikes a key and "Fact 3" appears.}'' Fact three: he's like a big square, this guy. ''{"Like a big square" appears and a box encloses the image of Strong Mad, which looks around nervously. The left and bottom edges are labeled "88 in."}'' I don't really know if that has anything to do with why he doesn't have his own cartoon. But it's just weird, is all. ''{"Just weird is all" appears on the screen}'' Un..settling. ''{"Unsettling" appears.}''

''{Cut to a landscape filled with blue and pink cubes and a yellow sky. Strong Mad appears with a loud "thud."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I guess if he lived in Cubeland it might work, but.. Cubeland ''{A "Cubeland" logo flies in from the right and comes to rest in the upper-left corner.}'' is a place I just made up, so..on to fact four.

''{Cut back to Strong Bad's screen which now reads "Fact 4."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Zero volume control. ''{"No volume control" appears on the screen.}'' Once again, obsoyve. ''{The Strong Mad image glances at the text.}''

''{Cut to Strong Mad sitting behind a table with a small orange clay dinosaur and yellow and green clay upright cylinders. Strong Bad enters from the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{whispering}'' Hey, biggest bro. Mom says to keep it down 'cause  baby Strong Sad's sleeping.

'''STRONG MAD:''' I CAN BE THE QUIETEST MOUSE! ''{He holds up his right hand, index finger, and thumb together to demonstrate something very small, like a mouse.}'' I LIVE IN THE QUIETEST HOUSE! ''{He holds up his other hand in the same position.}''

''{Cut back to the screen. "Fact 5" is on the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fact five: Directorial inexperience. ''{"Directorial inexperience" appears on the screen.}''

''{Pull out to Strong Bad typing the e-mail.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Considering the only movie Strong Mad's ever made is 'Doug the Dino,' I doubt he'd be able to handle an entire cartoon on his own.

''{Cut to the television. After some static, a grainy video appears. A title made out of clay which says "DOUG THE DiNO" (the "O" in Dino is in the shape of an egg) appears.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{narrating}'' DINOSAUR! ''{Cut to the two clay cylinders. The clay dinosaur enters. Strong Mad makes various noises to go along with the action. Doug the Dino roars. The green cylinder flips over like a Slinky and a smiling face appears on it. Suddenly, Doug the Dino attacks it and it spills clay blood. While Doug is eating the green cylinder, a tape dispenser can be seen for a few frames. The yellow cylinder appears to flee as Doug licks his lips. A clay toilet enters and Doug presses the flush lever. The seat lifts and a red appendage appears out of the toilet, grasps Doug by the face, and pulls him in. The green cylinder "sits up" and smiles and Strong Mad's hand can be seen leaning on the table for a few frames.}''

''{Cut back to Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Y'see? Misguided direction, no comedic timing, and the script is riddled with gaping plot holes. ''{not typing}'' And finally, ''{typing}'' Fact 6: Have you seen his computer?!?

''{Cut to Strong Mad's room, where Strong Mad has decorated a paper bag to look like [[Tandy 400]] (with the word "DISK" on the screen) and an up-turned cardboard box to look like Strong Bad's [[Floppy Disk Container]] (which says "disks").}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' E-COMMERCE! E-BUSINESS!!

''{Cut back to Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So let's review. Fact 1: Ehgh--

''{Pull out to Homestar Runner sitting on the desk, facing away from Strong Bad.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I want my own cartoon, Strong Bad.

'''STRONG BAD:''' What? I'm over here!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh. ''{turns to face Strong Bad}'' I want my own cartoon, Pom Pom.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, a cartoon starring you would be horrible. It'd just be you saying "Sewiously" all the time and acting like a moron...all the time.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' No, no! Not no more! I got a new catchphrase!

'''STRONG BAD:''' No.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You wanna hear it?

'''STRONG BAD:''' No!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'd be all the time sayin' "That's bupkis!" ''{whispering}'' Oh, sorry. "That's bupkis!"

'''STRONG BAD:''' What are you whispering for?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{whispering}'' Be''cause!'' Baby Strong Sad is ''sleeping!''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now, you see this disgusting little chit-chat we're having here? This is what your cartoon would be like.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Then it'd be a number one hit! ''{singing}'' And that's the end of my show! DONK!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey!

== Easter Eggs ==
*Clicking on "Script" shows the entire script for Strong Mad’s epic film, 'Doug the Dino.'
<pre>int: dinosaur - day
go dougie!!
RAWR!!
toilet. (drawing of a toilet)</pre>
*Click on Homestar's star at the end to see Homestar's commercial break bumper.
:''{A screen featuring Homestar holding a popsicle and the words "We'll Be Right Back!" appears}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing, voiceover}'' Homestar Runner will be right right back! 
:Homestar Runner will be right right back! 
:Homestar Runner will be right right back! 
:We're coming right back after these messages! 
:We're coming right back after these messageeeees...

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
* "Bupkis" is a Yiddish word used in English to mean 'nothing' or 'almost nothing'. Sample usage: "I work here for him ten hours a day, all week, and what does he give me? Bupkis!"
===Trivia===
*This is [[The Brothers Chaps]]' Claymation debut.
*The box on Strong Mad's desk that says disks on it also reads 'NOT CAR PARTS' upside down.
*The email used to have a glitch in it. If you clicked the eject button on the video recorder during 'Doug the Dino', it would bring you back to the loading screen and freeze there. The glitch has been removed, though. The eject button is now unclickable. This may be due to [[The VCR|the VCR]] being copied from the "Characters" menu. On that screen, the eject button pops out Homsar's tape.

===Remarks===
*If Strong Bad's measurements are correct, Strong Mad is 88 inches, or 7'4" (2.26 meters) tall and wide. However, The Cheat implied in [[i she be]] that Strong Mad was 6 feet tall. Meanwhile, according to a [[HR:smsticker.html|page]] that is no longer on the main site, Strong Mad weighs 900 lbs and is eight feet three inches tall. Of course, since it is known that Strong Mad is not actually a square; in fact, he's actually about 7.25% taller than he is wide. So, based on the dimensions given, if he were 88" wide, he would be approximately 95" tall. On the other hand, if he were 88" tall, he would only be about 82" wide. Finally, if he were 6' (72") tall as mentioned earlier, he would be a mere 67" wide.
**Plus, these measurements do not correspond with the measurements of the other characters.
** In [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]], Strong Bad's and Strong Mad's weight combined is 1,000,000 Pounds. If Strong Bad weighs 150 pounds, then Strong Mad weighs 999,850 pounds! This contradicts Strong Bad's quote saying that he is 900 pounds.(Of course, this idea was an early one and is probably no longer true)
*Strong Mad seems to be making "Doug the Dino" in the scene of him in his room, as there is a toy dinosaur and a green cylinder shaped block on his table.
*Homestar Runner has claimed that "That's bupkis!" is his new catchphrase (to replace "Seriously..."), but he hasn't said it since this e-mail debuted.

===Goofs===
*When Homestar appears, there are no contrast buttons on the Compy.

===Inside References===
*The TV set that plays "Doug The Dino" is the [[Telebision]] from the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu]].
*The VCR (in which the display is still blinking 12:00) is the same one that appears on the "Characters" menu and the emails [[12:00]] and [[dangeresque 3]].
*Strong Bad calls Strong Mad "Graw Mad". According to the commentary for [[car]], this is what TBC's niece used to call Strong Mad (she also called Strong Sad "Gron Sad", a name which Strong Bad used in [[car]]).
*"Doug The Dino" could be a reference to Strong Mad's affinity for the name "Douglas" the email [[cheat talk]], which after a lot of work, he learned to say.

===Real-World References===
*The way Strong Bad says Jess G.OH's last name is a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Simpsons|The Simpsons]], in which one of [[Wikipedia:Homer Simpson|Homer Simpson's]] catch phrases is '''"[[Wikipedia:D'oh!|D'oh!]]"'''
*The tune Homestar sings to in the Easter egg is the same tune as the theme song in [[Wikipedia:Pac-Man Vs.|''Pac-Man Vs.'']] for the [[Wikipedia:Nintendo GameCube|Nintendo GameCube]].

===Fast Forward===
*The background drum beat which is heard during the Cubeland scene would be reused in [[Bug In Mouth Disease]].
*Homestar's popsicle from the Easter Egg is reused for the ice cream bars in [[Bug In Mouth Disease]].

==DVD Version==
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.
===Commentary Transcript===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Matt Chapman]], [[Mike Chapman]], [[Marzipan]])

'''MATT:''' OK, guys. It's Matt, Mike, and Marzipan. And, this is the one called "the facts." It's all about brother Strong Mad.

'''MARZIPAN:''' It is about brother Strong Mad. And he is actually my favorite brother.

'''MATT:''' Really? So you like him best?

'''MIKE:''' Seems you get along with Strong Sad pretty well. I didn't realize you and Strong Mad got along so well.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, don't tell Strong Sad that.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well Strong—

'''MATT:''' You're his only friend.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, I know, but that's, you know, not how I feel on my end.

'''MATT:''' I remember Andy Cooper. The Cooper's had ''Thexder''. Uh, which is the game that's in his little floppy disk box there.

'''MIKE:''' It's like a space ship game?

'''MATT:''' You'd— You look like one of those things from Robotech, yeah. You'd be a jet and then a robot.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Which brother is this?

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' That's Strong ''Mad''. The one you said was your favorite.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, I made a mistake.

'''MATT:''' Oh. That's not your favorite.

'''MIKE:''' Who's your favorite?

'''MATT:''' What do you think of Cubeland there?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{gasps}'' It looks like my freezer.

'''MATT:''' Does it?!

'''MIKE:''' You got some. What do you got in there? Ice cubes—

'''MATT:''' Some iridescent cubes in there?

'''MARZIPAN:''' I do.

'''MIKE:''' Jello cubes?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Uh, no Jello cubes.

'''MATT:''' Look! See there? Strong Mad's making some Claymation there. Just like Mike and I used to as young boys.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Really?

'''MIKE:''' Strong Mad's got some sweet wallpaper in his bedroom.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, I want that in my bedroom.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah—

'''MATT:''' What do you think of that wallpaper up there, Marzipan?

'''MARZIPAN:''' I like wallpaper. I prefer wallpaper over paint jobs.

'''MATT:''' Really?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Yes.

'''MATT:''' It's much harder to put up, though.

'''MIKE:''' I don't think you have wallpaper in your house. I think you have paint.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, guess what? I wish I had wallpaper. ''{long pause}''. Oh, that's cool. That's on your desk, Mike. ''{referring to where Strong Mad's Claymation takes place}''

'''MATT:''' So this, um, so this Claymation movie is pretty much ninety percent of Claymation movies Mike and I made.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Matt's a—

'''MATT:''' It usually involved a toilet. A dinosaur.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Who made this?

'''MIKE:''' Matt did. Matt was a very good— He's an award-winning Claymation animator in nineteen eighty...eight?

'''MATT:''' Nine. Eighty nine?

'''MARZIPAN:''' What award did he win?

'''MIKE:''' He won some international film—

'''MATT:''' Media Festival.

'''MIKE:''' International Media Festival—

'''MARZIPAN:''' I won an award once.

'''MIKE:''' What— What award?

'''MATT:''' ''{excitedly interrupts}'' Look! Wait! That's wrong! That box is floating in front of that bag, Mike.

'''MARZIPAN:''' The award—

'''MIKE:''' Wow!

'''MATT:''' We need to change that.

'''MARZIPAN:''' The award—

'''MIKE:''' You think that's on the website?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MARZIPAN:''' It was the award for importance.

'''MIKE:''' ''{somewhat mockingly}'' The award for importance?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Yes! It was internationally-recognized.

'''MATT:''' ''{holding back laughter}'' As being ''important''?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, that and—

'''MIKE:''' What was the award itself? Was it a medal? Or a trophy?

'''MARZIPAN:''' It was a virtual award.

'''MATT:''' ''{changing the subject}'' It looks like Strong Bad and Homestar are really hashing out some issues here. Sitting down and spending some quality time—

'''MARZIPAN:''' Yeah, he likes to perch on the end of desks and things. Doesn't he look cute?

'''MATT:''' He does look kinda cute like that.

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{voluptuously}'' I think he has a good body.

''{Mike starts to laugh}''

'''MATT:''' What? ''{scolding}'' Marzipan!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Don't tell—

'''MATT:''' Keep that to yourself!

'''MARZIPAN:''' I'm sorry.

'''MATT:''' I don't wanna hear that crap!

'''MARZIPAN:''' I'm gonna get him a new pair of shoes, though.

'''MATT:''' ''{reacting to The Paper coming down}'' Wow, look at that. All you gotta do is say it's the end and—

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail114.html|watch "the facts"]]
*[[HR:sbemail114.swf|view the Flash file for "the facts"]]
*[[Forum:884|forum thread re: "the facts"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
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[[Category: Emails With DVD Commentary]]

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Svelt — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:43:53 GMT

Svelt: /* Is Your Refrigerator Perry Running? */ Vote to accept.

island

Svelt — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:39:33 GMT

Svelt: /* Fast Forward */ Hot dog reference.

[[Image:sbemail52.PNG|thumb|"Are we rescued yet?"]]

'''Strong Bad Email #52'''

Strong Bad imagines the lurking horrors of being stranded on an island with Homestar.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Island]]

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' November 25, 2002

'''Running Time:''' 1:56

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Strong Bad Emails are a part of this balanced breakfast.

''{reading the email}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
What would you do if you where stuck 
on an desert island with Homestar 
Runner? 
 
Yami Yugi 
England</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "were" instead of "where" and "a" instead of "an".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well Yami Yugi ''{says the name hesitantly}'', I suspect it would be like most cartoons. You know, we'd start to go nuts after a while and I would look at Homestar and he would look like a big steak. And then Homestar would look at me and I'd look like ''{stops typing}'' you know ''{starts typing again}'' some kinda brownie sundae. ''{clears screen}'' So we'd chase each other around the island, trying to eat each other. And at some point my foot would look like a sandwich and I'd put salt on it and try to eat it and it's like, "Oh! It's my foot!!" ''{clears screen}'' But that's a best-case scenario. I'm sure in real life it would be much more annoying and painful with Dumpface involved. ''{he types "Dumpface" but says "Homestar"}''

''{cut to Homestar and Strong Bad on an island}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, Strong Bad.

'''STRONG BAD:''' What?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Are we rescued yet?

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're gonna need to get rescued in a second if you don't quit asking me that.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ohhhhhhhh... Hey, Strong Bad.

'''STRONG BAD:''' What?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Is there ice cream yet?

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're gonna need to get ice cream in a second if you don't quit asking me that. You know... 'cause I'm gonna hit you...and you'll need the ice cream...to stop the swelling.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, Stinkoman.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Um... did you just call me Stinkoman?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yes, sir, I did.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Geez. You don't happen to have a gun on your side of the island, do you?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' No. Hey, Strong Bad, check this out! ''{turns away}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, don't start with that...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Toons! ''{An ocean liner passes by with a loud "toot"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Games! ''{An angry-looking, red-eyed, Moby Dick-style white whale, with harpoons embedded in its body, emerges from the left side of the water. It spurts water from its blowhole and then goes back into the water.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Don't do another—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' E-mail! ''{A propeller plane with a "WEAR A BIKINI" banner attached to it flies by}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Man, I love doing that. ''{A bottle washes up on the island.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, check it out. A message in a bottle. ''{takes a piece of paper out of the bottle and reads it}'' What?

<pre> January 20, 1985
Super
XIX
Bowl
Stanford Stadium
Stanford, California
Miami San Francisco
VS.
Dolphins 49ers</pre>

Super Bowl Nineteen... Miami Dolphins vs. San Francisco 49ers... ''{sarcastically}'' Great.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' We're saved!

'''STRONG BAD:''' This is the worst deserted island ever.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Easter Eggs ==

*At the end you can click on Strong Bad and Homestar to make them turn into various things.
** Strong Bad:
*** Some kinda brownie sundae
*** Hot dog
*** "Pinner" plate of marshmallows, with a derby, eyepatch and cigar from [[Meet Marshie]]
*** San Fransisco 49ers helmet
** Homestar:
*** A big steak
*** Stack of pancakes
*** Guitar from [[new hands]]
*** Miami Dolphins helmet

==Fun Facts==
===Remarks===
*Strong Bad says "Yami Yugi" easily when he reads the email, but seems to have trouble the second time. Or maybe he just doesn't like Yu-Gi-Oh. ''(See Real-World References)''
*Amazingly, Strong Bad misses the obvious opportunity to make fun of Yami Yugi's spelling.
===Goofs===
*Homestar's Main Page joke refers to Main Page 3 ''(see Inside References)'', but on the real Main Page 3, the plane actually flies past on "Store," not "E-mail."

===Inside References===
*Homestar references [[Main Page 3]] when he yells out "Toons," "Games" and "E-mail" and various things appear. ''(see Goofs for more)''
*Strong Bad says, "This is the worst deserted island ever," which is a reference to [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], where he says, "This is the worst Decemberween ever."
===Real-World References===
*The 49ers beat the Dolphins 38–16 in Super Bowl XIX.
*The name of the person who wrote the email, Yami Yugi, is also the name of a character from the popular anime series ''Yu-Gi-Oh!''
===Fast Forward===
*[[japanese cartoon|Five emails hence]], Strong Bad will create a Japanese cartoon character named [[Stinkoman]].
*Strong Bad salting his foot is used again in [[interview]].
*Strong Bad later dresses as a hot dog in [[part-time job]].

== DVD Version ==
*To make Homestar and Strong Bad transform into various things, select the hidden Strong Bad head to the left of Strong Bad.
*The DVD Version adds a hidden creator's commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection when watching this email.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MATT:''' Welcome back, I'm Matt Chapman.

'''MIKE:''' I'm my brother Mike.

'''MATT:''' What?

'''MIKE:''' Isn't, uh, sorry.

'''MATT:''' Yeah? Go ahead.

'''MIKE:''' Oh, I don't remember what I was going to say. I like this email, though. I like the, um, visuals.

'''MATT:''' This is a lot, this is pretty much referencing, I mean it's done a lot in cartoons, but there's that one Bugs Bunny where he's on the desert island with those two—there's that one tall skinny guy and one fat short guy. That's where a lot of this comes from. I think they see each other as a steak and a hot dog. And I think that Bugs tricks one of them into eating his own foot at some point probably.

'''MIKE:''' This is the origin of the term Stinkoman too.

'''MATT:''' It's true. We were just screwin' around and I said the word Stinkoman.

'''MIKE:''' I think so. But I like that scene right there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike keeps talking about wanting to revisit this little desert island scene.

'''MIKE:''' It might be revisited by the time you're listening to this commentary.

'''MATT:''' Not if I have anything to say about it.

'''MIKE:''' Matt hates me.

'''MATT:''' I'm just kidding. Look, there it was! Yeah, see?

'''MIKE:''' He did, yeah. You haven't got a baboon in your pocket, have ye?

'''MATT:''' There you go, Mike.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, thanks. I love this. Those's actually are incorrect, aren't they? That's not exactly what he does on that menu page.

'''MIKE:''' Oh, maybe, yeah, maybe not. Look at those clouds. They're a little different than usual, aren't they?

'''MATT:''' Maybe. Oh, that's nice, that's—I remember Scott Edwards was over for that one. I think it snowed.

'''MIKE:''' Dave Brown, eh—

'''MATT:''' And then it snowed and we didn't have to go to school the next day.

'''MIKE:''' I think you're right.

'''MATT:''' No, it was great.

=== Fun Facts ===
*The Bugs Bunny cartoon in particular that Matt and Mike refer to is ''[[imdb:tt0036508|Wackiki Wabbit]]''.
*This island hasn't been reused yet, but judging by some of the foreshadowing on other commentaries, it probably will be.
*The San Francisco 49ers' helmet facemask is incorrect. They wore a gray facemask in 1984.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail52.html|watch "island"]]
*[[HR:sbemail52.swf|view the Flash file for "island"]]

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part-time job

Svelt — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 06:37:45 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Hot dog reference.

[[Image:sbemail121.PNG|thumb|Look out for Number 1! ]]

'''Strong Bad Email #121'''

Strong Bad proves he does more than just check e-mails, by showing everyone his part-time job!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]]/[[Tragic Clown Dog]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[The Cheat]]/[[Tito]], [[Bubs]], [[Coach Z]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Mrs. Bennedetto]]

'''Places:''' [[Marzipan's House]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Stage]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

'''Date:''' January 3, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:29

== Transcript ==

''{As usual, Strong Bad is in front of his Lappy, checking his e-mail. Judging from the view of the room we can see around the Lappy, however, he does not seem to be at his desk, as he usually would be.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': A lot of ladies and a lot of girls... some healthy ladies and some healthy girls!
<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: besides..</div>
Dear Strongbad, 
Do you do anything besides checking e-mails? 
 
Sincerely, Hunter</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{typing}'' Waudju- gighi- ikuh... What do you mean do I do anything else besides checking e-mails. 'Course I freakin' do! I do everything! Always! ''{clears the screen}'' Nature walks, Meet N' Greets, Bus Chucker Club, The League of Me and The Cheat Ice Cream Socials. Shut up! I even have a part-part-part-part-very part-time job, to which I am currently 15 minutes late.

''{Cut to the lower area of Marzipan's kitchen. Strong Bad has apparently been checking this e-mail under Marzipan's kitchen table. Homestar walks in, and is holding a tennis ball.}''

''{Strong Bad looks around in a panicked way.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': This is perfect! Just perfect! I couldn't be happier with my new invention! I'll call it... the Super Question Machine!!

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{whispering}'' I gotta try to sneak out of here without Homestar noticing me.

''{Homestar sets his tennis ball down on the table.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Gonna need a diversion of some kind...

''{The Cheat walks in, humming to himself, wearing a top hat entitled "Tito" and a bowtie, and holding a cane. Homestar turns around to look at him. The camera pans left. The Cheat begins doing a dance.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, wow! What a great new invention!

''{Strong Bad crawls out from under the table, and gives The Cheat the thumbs up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nice work, The Cheat!

''{He proceeds to crawl away, while The Cheat's still humming.}''

''{Cut to Bubs' empty concession stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{quietly while peeking out from behind the black}'' Perfect! Bubs must be passed out on the floor again.

''{Strong Bad disappears behind the screen, and begins walking toward the Stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Comin' in to work on time..

''{Bubs pops up from under the counter. Strong Bad lets out a short yell.}''

'''BUBS:''' Aha!

'''STRONG BAD:''' {''Yells, then stutters a little.''}

'''BUBS:''' Late again, Strong Bad. I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Quickly}'' But Mr. Bubs, I was just-

'''BUBS:''' ''{Interrupts}'' Wastin' time with that email show of yours again. That mess'll never get you anywhere!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yes it will! You'll see! I'm gonna be big one day. I'm gonna be a famous email checker.

'''BUBS:''' And I'm gonna be two times two. Now put on your uniform and get to work!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're gonna be ''what''?

''{The screen fades out and resumes to Strong Bad wearing a combination of a sad clown and a hotdog costume in front of Bubs' stand. Strong Bad is holding a paper, and a stack of papers sits next to him.}''

''The papers all say:''

<pre>GET YOU A FREE CUP OF ICE WITH PURCHASE OF DELUXE CUP OF ICE OF EQUAL OR LESSER VALUE
BUBS' CONSESSION STAND</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's right! Come on down to Bubs' and get you a free cup of ice with purchase of deluxe cup of ice of equal or lesser value.

'''BUBS:''' No, no. Work it, son, work it!

''{Strong Bad begins dancing and humming.}''

'''BUBS:''' That's it, that's it! Look out for Number 1!

''{Coach Z walks in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, it's the hot dog clown! What fun!

''{Pom Pom's silhouette merges in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Pom Pom, take a picture of me with the hot dog clown. It'll be classic!

''{Pom Pom bubbles, and takes out a camera. A huge flash is seen, and a camera shutter sound is heard. Coach Z falls over, leaning on Strong Bad.}

''{The camera zooms in to Bubs.}''

'''BUBS:''' Pictures with the tragic clown dog ain't free! Fifty bucks! ''Sixty'' bucks! Get back here and let me confiscate y'all film!
'' {The camera zooms back out to the four of them.}''

'''COACH Z:''' ''{running}'' Chorce, forsh! ''{He and Pom Pom run off screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a great day at Bubs' Concession Stand! Sign up now for giving us money!

'''BUBS:''' Now isn't this better than sitting at your desk answerin' emails?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Actually I was sitting under a kitchen table this week and.. uh oh! The Lappy's probably almost out of juice! I gotta get back and end this email! Uhh.. say Bubs, I'm gonna need now off. Is that cool?

'''BUBS:''' Is Strong Sad cool?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh come on.

'''BUBS:''' You know all my policies! I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay then I quit.

'''BUBS:''' Fine! But don't even think about swiping that costume!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You made me buy this costume, remember?

'''BUBS:''' Oh. Right. Well then pleasure doing business with you.

''{Strong Bad runs off in the costume.}

''{We cut back to the kitchen, where The Cheat has fallen over, still humming, and Homestar is standing over him. Strong Bad, now without costume, crawls back in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' This is the most amazing undersea epic ever filmed.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' See, Hunter? I got all types of stuff going on. I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are. I'm like a hundredaire socialite out on the sce-

''{The Lappy powers down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh great. The battery ran out. I gotta figure out a way to end this email.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

''{Cut to Mrs. Bennedetto. Strong Bad slaps a paper on it with some text and a picture of him on it.}''

<pre>yeah buddy,
i have muscles!

ps: preeeeow</pre>

''{The Paper DOES NOT come down on its own!}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click on "Bus Chucker Club" to see a post-it of Strong Bad's member badge.
* Click on "preeeeow" to make [[The Paper]] come down.
* Click on the microwave's "Broast" button to see "[[Hundredaire Socialite|Hundredaire Socialite magazine]]", featuring "The Brains Behind [[Videlectrix]]".
* Click on the "Power" button to watch an extra scene with Strong Bad and Bubs.

=== Easter Egg Transcript ===
''{Cut to Bubs on the Stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. We see a pamphlet:}''
<pre> T H E A T E R
Dreamaway
Johnny

A Sweet 3-Acter
Directed by Strong Bad
Starring:
Strong Bad and Buh-Hubs, man</pre>

''{The pamphlet zooms out. We see Bubs is standing in front of a cut-out of his stand reading MR LEGARM'S Bubs Stand. Strong Bad walks in.}''

'''BUBS AS MR. LEGARM:''' Well look who decided to show up. Fifth time this week, Johnny.

'''STRONG BAD AS JOHNNY:''' Oh I'm sorry Mr. Legarm. Honest I am! I just-

'''MR. LEGARM:''' ''{interrupting}'' You just what? Lost track of time?

'''JOHNNY:''' Yes sir. Only I wouldn't have to worry about that if I could just get the Johnny-Tron working.

'''MR. LEGARM:''' You still wastin' time workin' on that time machine, Johnny? That's a pipe dream, son! Your future's here at the shop. Now sweep up! I got customers to tend to.

'''JOHNNY:''' You'll see. Someday... someday...

''{Music starts, and a spotlight goes over to Strong Bad.}''

'''JOHNNY:''' ''{singing}'' When all my dreams come.. truuuuuuuuue.

''{As he sings the word "true" the orchestra hits a climactic chord. The audience claps; the curtain closes.}''

== Fun Facts ==

===Trivia===
*The clock on Mrs. Bennedetto is stuck on 9:48.
*This email is the first to show the back of the [[Lappy 486|Lappy]] clearly. (It was obscured by Strong Bad's arm in [[animal]]) It is the 3rd time Strong Bad has checked his email in an unusual place; he has also checked his e-mail on Pom-Pom's [[Pom Pilot]] in [[the bird]] and later on [[Tangerine Dreams]] in [[weird dream]].
*In the picture of himself that Strong Bad puts on Mrs. Bennedetto at the end of the email, his left hand does not have a boxing glove on it and you can see three fingers. This is the first time we have seen Strong Bad's fingers or hand without the boxing gloves on. Also, his mouth has teeth, instead of just a gap in his mask.
*This is only the fourth email where Strong Bad's email song does not include the word "email".
*This is the only email where you manually have to make the paper come down at the end of it.
* This is the second time Bubs criticized Strong Bad about his "email show". the first time was in the email [[the process]].
*This is the first time Strong Bad answers an email in a house where he is unwelcome but Homestar is. Usually Strong Bad answers emails in his house and Homestar is the unwelcome guest.

===Remarks===
*Bubs has apparently discontinued his "free weekly spamvertisements" from [[unused emails]], from which Strong Bad was making $1250 (5000 emails x a quarter each) every time he sold a disk of addresses.
*Notice Bubs' promotion is the opposite of what would be sensible: You can get two cups of ice while paying only for the one that costs less or the same. This is the same kind of logic which allows [[The King of Town]] to have "earned a free combo meal by purchasing one of equal or lesser value".
*When Strong Bad is late to work, he grabs the frame of the cartoon, another confusion as to whether he knows he's in a cartoon or not.
*Apparently the Lappy 486 also comes with a wireless Internet card. Either that or Strong Bad downloaded his emails before heading to Marzipan's.
*The Lappy has a battery life of 5 minutes, but this email lasts only 3 minutes 9 seconds and the Lappy cuts off. However, it's explainable by the fact that not every moment is accounted for, such as Strong Bad going to and returning from [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], and Strong Bad putting on his costume, not to mention the time it took for the Lappy to boot up.
*Strong Bad also has an unspecified job at [[The Office]].
*Hunter's question was effectively answered just 10 emails ago in [[other days]].

===Goofs===
*You can also make the circles appear when the scene switches to the microwave at the end really quickly.
*The paper's "preeeow" sound starts but gets cut off after less than a second when it cuts to the microwave.
*When Strongbad turns around the teardrop on his hot dog clown suit switches sides.

=== Glitches ===
* After watching the "Power easter egg," the paper is down even if you haven't clicked on "preeeow".
* On some earlier versions of Flash, you can hear the printer's scratching noise even before you click on "preeeow".

===Inside References===
* The "Hundredaire Socialite magazine" easter egg features the familiar faces of [[The Brothers Chaps|Mike and Matt Chapman]]; the photo is from [[Peasant's Quest Preview]].
*The Cheat wearing the top hat may be a reference to [[theme park]]. ''(also see Real-World References)''
*Buh-Hubs was a filename in [[big white face]].
*"Hundredaire" was also used in the email "[[suntan]]".
* "preeeeow" is what Strong Bad says in [[autobiography]] and [[haircut]], when attempting to prompt the printer to print out [[The Paper]]. It is the accepted onomatopoeia for The Paper's sound.
*The confused sounds Strong Bad makes at the beginning of the cartoon are almost identical to the ones he utters near the end of [[Everybody to the Limit]].
*When Strong Bad says "I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are," he is referring to his description of [[Senor Cardgage]] in the email [[kind of cool]].
*The sound the Lappy makes when shutting down is the same sound from [[gimmicks]] (when the Tandy's display goes blank), [[caffeine]] (when Strong Sad no longer was caffeinated), and [[dangeresque 3]] when Strong Bad changed the signature (john newell, on) to john newell, off.
*The cup of ice is first referenced in [[no loafing]], as part of Bubs' Thirty Cent Lunch Special.
*When Strong Bad sings "I'm like a hundredaire socialite out on the sce-", it is in the same tune as the first Lappy e-mail rap ("Scroll buttons and The Lappy together at last...")
*Strong Bad previously appeared as a hot dog in [[island]].

===Real-World References===
*The Tragic Clown Dog's necktie bends upwards like [[Wikipedia: Dilbert|Dilbert's]].
*Homestar doesn't demonstrate how his Super Question Machine works (which is just a tennis ball), but it could be a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Magic 8-ball|Magic 8-ball]].
*The pamphlet reading "Theater" in the Easter Egg is a reference to the ubiquitous [[Wikipedia: Playbill|Playbill]] in Broadway shows.
*The name "Mr. Legarm" is probably a reference to the old saying of "... will cost you an arm and a leg", since Bubs is known to charge more for something than it's worth (such as when he charges $10 for severe pummelings in [[pom pom]]).

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail121.html|watch "part-time job"]]
*[[HR:sbemail121.swf|view the Flash file for "part-time job"]]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1652 forum thread re: part-time job]
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Main Page 2

Svelt — Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:35:14 GMT

Svelt: /* Fun Facts */ Future use in "The Show."

[[Image:main2.PNG|220px|thumb|"It was my Lederhosen!"]]

Homestar Runner is in the mountains.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Homestar Runner]]

'''Icon:''' Mountains

'''Page title:''' "Homestar Runner"

*'''Toons''' - Bald eagle flies by.
*'''Games''' - A fish jumps out of the river.
*'''Characters''' - One of the trees in the background becomes a Christmas tree.
*'''Downloads''' - An eagle catches the fish.
*'''Store''' - It rains.
*'''E-mail''' - A yodeler appears at the top of the mountain and shouts "Ricola!" through a large [[Wikipedia:Alpenhorn|Alpenhorn]].

==Fun Facts==
===Remarks===
* The eagles are not the same. Press "Toons" and "Downloads" quickly enough and you can see both eagles in the sky together.

===Inside References===
* Homestar wears [[Strong Sad]]'s lederhosen in the toon [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD]].

===Real-World References===
* [http://www.ricola.com/ Ricola] is a brand of cough drops from Switzerland.

===Fast Forward===
* The alps scene is used as a backdrop in [[the show]].

==External links==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main2.html go to Main Page 2]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main2.swf view the flash file for Main Page 2]

{{Main Page}}

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the show

Svelt — Mon, 13 Jun 2005 08:32:13 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Reused backdrop from Main Page 2

[[Image:sbemail66.PNG|thumb|Welcome to The Show!]]

'''Strong Bad Email #66'''

Tori wants to know why Homestar isn't funny anymore. Strong Sad has chicken pox.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Pom Pom]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Marshie]], [[The Cheat]] (Easter egg), [[Strong Sad]] (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Show]], [[Strong Sad's Room]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' March 10, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:35

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Email, women, email, girls! Email, women, email, girls!

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
My friends and I are at a volleyball 
tounament and we were wondering how 
come homestar never does anything 
funny anymore? 
 
your friend, 
Tori From VA, TX</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads "tounament" as spelled, and "VA, TX" as "Virginia, and Texas. Respectively."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Anymore Tori? I wasn't aware that guy did anything funny. Ever. But if you want to see Homestar so bad, why don't we check out what he's doing right now. We'll see how it measures up to say, me ''{pause}'' kicking the cheat ''{pause}'' into Strong Sad ''{pause}'' with the chicken pox.

''{The screen cuts into static, then goes to Homestar hosting his very own "The Show". With him are Pom Pom and The Poopsmith.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' But it turned out I didn't die. ''{canned laughter}'' So, once again, I'd like to welcome the Poopsmith and Pom Pom onto the show. ''{canned applause}'' Gentlemen: hands on buzzers. ''{Pom Pom and the Poopsmith glance at each other; there are no buzzers}'' The Poopsmith, for 500 points: Would you care to share with us some of your polictical ''[sic]'' views? ''{The Poopsmith brings out a sign that says "Hey, um, I'm gonna go now." He walks off.}'' And Pom Pom, for the block. Do you agree? ''{Pom Pom bubbles and bounces off. Canned applause.}'' All right, that's 162 points for each of you. We'll be right back with round two after these important words from these important messages.

''{A little ditty is played and a title screen is shown saying "We'll be right back." Cut to a pink screen with faded concentric circles emanating from the centre. Marshie is present.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Hey guys ''{pronounced 'jies'}''! You'd best be eating a whole mess of Fluffy Puff Marshmallows! ''{Cut to a green screen where a black-and-white man is seen reading a book called "Stuffed in Each Cheek"}'' You won't think twice with a couple of them stuffed in each cheek! ''{Somebody says "boing" and the man looks shocked. Cut back to Marshie}'' They make my mornings ''{the words "SHIVER WITH FLAVOR" appear at the bottom left}'' shiver with flavor, ''{Marshie comes close-up to the screen and the words appear in front of him}'' shiver with flavor! ''{the screen reverts to Marshie alone}'' I'll say it twice! ''{cut to a mountain range, above which Marshie is seen in the sky}'' This is gettin' great! ''{"great" is reverbed. Another, larger Marshie comes across horizontally from the left, leaving a trail of pink behind him. This forms the original pink background}'' Fluffy Puff Marshmallows! ''{Marshie appears in the middle of the screen and the words "THE FIRST ONE TO EAT A MILLION, WINS." appear on the bottom}'' "The first one to eat a million, wins." ''{Marshie winks and it makes a weird squishy noise}''

''{Back to the show}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right. Welcome back to the show. ''{he pronounces it "shaow"}'' And now, I choose to recite a list. ''{pulls out some cue cards}'' Ahem. ''{words appear on screen as Homestar reads them}'' "tetherball." "Olympic race." "sparkling." "Tim Duncan." "Wisconsin." "a book of matches." "next week." "a lot of money." "witch's brew"—

''{static cuts back to Strong Bad at his computer}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh. ''{typing}'' Problematic. You know it's been awhile since I've kicked the Cheat, but I guarantee it'd be comedic gold compared to that mish-mash. And what's with that flying mushroom he's always advertising for. I can't understand a word that guy says. ''{stops typing}'' Anyways, Tori, lemme know how the volleyball tounament turns out. Touns out. Learn to spell.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Easter Eggs==
*At the beginning of the show, you can click on the cards Homestar is carrying to read them.
**pom-pom = round yellow one
**poopsmith = smelly one
**homestar = you
*Click on "kicked The Cheat" to see what The Cheat and Strong Sad are doing.
**''{Cut to Strong Sad's room. Strong Sad is lying in bed covered with red bumps, presumably the chicken pox. The Cheat is in front of him. The Cheat looks around and then squeaks as if asking a question.}''
**'''STRONG SAD:''' I don't know where he is. I figured it was a sure thing, too.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*If you were to eat 100 Fluffy-Puff Marshmallows every day, it would still take you more than 27 years to "win."

===Remarks===
*The table has been either replaced or expertly repaired (no cracks or seams are evident, even though it was broken in half in the [[unused emails|previous email]]).
*After the cards come up, you can still click on the cards Homestar is holding. It doesn't do anything though.

===Goofs===
*Strong Bad actually makes two grammatical errors in his email. He doesn't put a question mark after "What's with that flying mushroom he's always advertising for." He also fails to capitalize The Cheat's name in his reply, since the word ''The'' is part of his name.

===Inside References===
*This email contains yet another reference to "[[Witches' Brew|witch's brew]]" [sic].
*Marshie pronouncing "guys" as "jies" may be a reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]], in which Bubs pronounces "gold" as "jold," or Homsar's prononciation of "games," in the [[Homsar Main Page]]. (He pronounces it "James!")
*Marshie's voice echoes over the alps from [[Main_Page_2|Main Page 2]].

===Real-World References===
*Homestar's line "Pom Pom, for the block," is a reference to the game show ''[[Wikipedia:Hollywood Squares|Hollywood Squares]]''.
*Homestar's microphone looks just like Bob Barker's microphone from ''[[Wikipedia:The Price is Right|The Price is Right]]''.
*[[Wikipedia:Tim Duncan|Tim Duncan]] is an NBA basketball player.
*The little jingle played before the commercial break is part of the theme song of the game show ''[[Wikipedia:Match Game|Match Game]]''.

===Fast Forward===
*[[Main Page 19]] was based on this e-mail.

== DVD Version ==
*The card Easter egg is still viewable by using your DVD player's angle button
*The DVD version features hidden commentary by Mike and Homestar. To acccess it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], Homestar Runner)

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Here's the commentary for the show email.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's right, Mike!

'''MIKE:''' I'm joined by none other than Homestar himself, the host of the show.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Call me Greg this time.

'''MIKE:''' Greg, uh, so tell us a little bit about yourself, Greg.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Well, I'm, uh, uh, a vitamin, I lose weight, and I'm on the plank!

'''MIKE:''' Homestar here making a little less sense than usual.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I know. It's all for the DVD.

'''MIKE:''' DVD.

'''HOMESTAR:''' DVDs. Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Uh, here comes your big scene.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Yeah, why are you so, where did this show come from?

'''MIKE:''' Uh, why don't you tell us?

'''HOMESTAR:''' I don't... Honestly, the first time I saw this, I was flabbergasted.

'''MIKE:''' You don't, you don't remember taking part in anything like this?

'''HOMESTAR:''' I mean, I kinda do... But like, so do I have a show? In the '70s?

'''MIKE:''' Well, I don't know if it was in the '70s.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Is it a chat show, or game show?

'''MIKE:''' It looks like it's kinda maybe a little of both, but a little of neither?

'''HOMESTAR:''' Yeah! That's the way my best shows are...right?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''HOMESTAR:''' So why wouldn't it be that? A little bit of a chat show, maybe with a Charles Nelson Reilly...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I love my microphone. If a microphone's not tall and skinny, it's not a microphone.

'''MIKE:''' I agree.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Look! Who's that guy with the arms? ''{referring to the character on the "We'll Be Right Back" card}''

'''MIKE:''' He has arms.'''

''{MARSHIE appears on the screen to begin the Fluffy Puff commercial.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Oh no!

'''MIKE:''' It's okay.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I love this one!

'''MIKE:''' Oh, I thought you might be scared.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Look out! Look out, stuffed in each—Oh no! He got it, Mike! ''{pause}'' Marshie's on point on this one. He's at the top of his game.

'''MIKE:''' Marshie's...never at the top of his game.

'''HOMESTAR:''' No, clearly here. Listen, listen, listen!

''{MARSHIE's commercial finishes, and he winks producing a unique sound effect.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' How does he do that?

'''MIKE:''' He winked.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I know! If I could make my eye make that sound when I wink, I'd be like, winking all the time! They'd call me Wink Martindale.

''{Slight pause. SBEMAIL HOMESTAR reads the "Olympic race" card.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Speaking of Olympic race... ''{Pause}'' This is my favorite part.

'''MIKE:''' What is this list of?

'''HOMESTAR:''' Oh, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' Is there a common thread—

'''HOMESTAR:''' It's, like, the Rosetta Stone. If you can figure out this list then you've got the secret to Homestar Runner.

''{Pause. The Strong Bad Email cuts back to STRONG BAD at the Compy.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Homester.

'''MIKE:''' Okay. How much longer do we have on this commentary, Homestar?

'''HOMESTAR:''' You don't think this is very funny, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' Uhh, maybe.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Do you think we should start over?

'''MIKE:''' No, we can leave it, but...I just hope it's over soon.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I think it sounds like Strong Bad's winding down.

'''MIKE:''' All right.

'''HOMESTAR:''' See, he's mumbling.

'''MIKE:''' Bye, Homestar.

'''HOMESTAR:''' That's the end. You know it's the end.

''{The Paper comes down.}''

'''MIKE:''' Bye, Homestar.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Geez!

=== Fun Facts ===
*[[Wikipedia:Charles Nelson Reilly|Charles Nelson Reilly]] is an actor, director, and drama teacher, most well known for his role as a celebrity panelist for the 1970s gameshow The Match Game.
*[[Wikipedia:Wink Martindale|Wink Martindale]] was a gameshow host in the 1970s. Among the shows he hosted were ''[[Wikipedia:Tic Tac Dough|Tic Tac Dough]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:High Rollers|High Rollers]]''.
*The [[Wikipedia:Rosetta Stone|Rosetta Stone]] is a fragment of a decree from Ptolemy V of Alexandria written in Ancient Greek, Egyptian Hieroglyphs, and Egyptian demotic script, and played a crucial role in deciphering the meaning of the latter two languages.

== See Also ==

* [[Main Page 19]]

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail66.html|watch "the show"]]
*[[HR:sbemail66.swf|view the Flash file for "the show"]]

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2 years

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Svelt: /* DVD Version */ Fixed typo.

[[Image:Strongbadia_in_2_years.png|thumb|"I don't like food anymore!"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #85'''

E. Fullmer asks Strong Bad what Strong Badia will be like in approximately 2 years, and we get a look at the future.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Coach Z]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Strong Mad]] (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strongbadia]], [[The King of Town's Grill]]

'''Date:''' September 22, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:23

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Hassaro! Heessaro! Hassaro! Heessaro!

''{Reading email}''

<pre>Strong Bad,
I am going on a long trip and won't be
able to check out "Homestar Runner's
Website" for a long time. What do you
think the greatest advancement for
Strong Badia will be in the next 2
years?

Your Main Man,
E. Fullmer</pre>

''{Strong Bad reads "Strong Bad" stressing "Strong" as if it were "Dear," says "Homestar has a website?" after reading "Homestar Runner's Website" and says "Oh..." before reading the signature}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{not typing}'' Umm, Endiment. ''{typing}'' Hang on Endiment. Just for the record, my main man is, and has been since 1987, Van Mundegaarde. And don't you forget it! ''{not typing, a little picture of Strong Bad with a note from Strong Bad to Van comes down}'' Oh, Van, the times we shared. ''{typing}'' Well, as you know, Endy, Strongbadia is on the cutting edge of the future. I can easily predict that the population will have tripled in two years.

''{Cut to Strong Badia}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' So by then it will be population: tire and...bundt cake pan.

''{A bundt cake pan appears out of nowhere. The sign changes its population list accordingly.}''

'''STRONG BAD:'''...and Coach Z.

''{Coach Z appears behind the fence, facing away from the camera. The sign changes its population list accordingly again.}''

'''COACH Z:''' I'm takin' a leak!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' I also have some good news for you single ladies out there. The cinder block is going to break up with the sign.

''{The cinderblock and sign are seperated, and a letter from the cinder block to the sign appears on-screen:}''

<pre>Dear Stopsign,
You are a stopsign and I am a
cinderblock. Therefore I think
we should break up. I hope we
can still be's friends.
-Cinderblock</pre>

'''CINDER BLOCK:''' Dear Stop Sign, you are a stop sign and I am a cinder block.

''{The letter disappears}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Ooh! And we will also have developed a world-class hole.

''{A hole appears in the ground}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And by then, hopefully the Cheat will be finished with the mural I commissioned him to paint on the fence...

''{A mural of the words "FIREWORKS or die" appears on the fence}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ...like a freakin' year ago. Slowby. Oh yeah, and the tire will have definitely won the title.

''(A belt appears on the tire and an invisible crowd cheers.)''

'''STRONG BAD:''' And finally, Strong Sad will have actually succeeded in becoming more whiny.

''{Strong Sad appears out of nowhere}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{pouty voice}'' I don't like food anymore!

''{Cut back to the Compy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Augh! So annoying. Oh, that reminds me. I should probably go let Strong Sad outta the dryer. He's been in there since breakfast.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down. After about 10 seconds, Strong Bad gets up. Cut to the dryer. Strong Bad opens it, and discovers a dizzy, fluffy The Cheat.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What the—? The Cheat?! Where the crap did I leave Strong Sad?

''{Cut to The King of Town's grill. It's closed, but we can hear Strong Sad's voice from within.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, hello? Can anybody hear me? The Cheat has a really nice place in here. And none of his shirts fit me.

''{Cut back to the Compy, with Strong Bad sitting at it as before.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*You can click on the words "Homestar's website" to see a quick peek at [[Homestar's Website|Homestar's crappy website]].
*After you wait and see what happened to Strong Sad, you can click on the reflection of Strong Bad's Blue Diamond to see the advertisement for the "Rematch" between Strong Mad and the [[Tire]].
:''{Cut to black screen.}''
:'''VOICEOVER:''' Revenge. ''{Everything he says echoes ridiculously; the word "REVENGE" appears in red on the screen and Strong Mad is seen on the left, half-lit. He then disappears.}'' Vengeance. ''{The word "VENGEANCE" is now seen on the screen and the Tire, as with Strong Mad, appears half-lit on the right; it also disappears}'' Vengeful. ''{the word "VENGEFUL" appears and Strong Mad appears as before, more briefly this time.}'' Revengeanceful. ''{The same happens, this time with the Tire; it disappears, then Strong Mad is seen straight on, coming closer to the screen.}'' This Sunday, Strong Mad attempts to reclaim the title ''{Title belts appear around Strong Mad's eyes, and his face starts fading into red}'' from Strongbadia heavyweight champion, ''{the whole screen turns red and the Tire appears on the screen, growing towards us.}'' the Tire. Tire Madness. ''{A red Tire Madness logo appears, flashes, and explodes onto the screen, which breifly turns yellow, then reverts to red.}'' Only on pay per view. ''{The words "ONLY ON PAY PER VIEW!!!" flash in yellow at the bottom.}''

==Fun Facts==
===Trivia===
*Revealed: the [[Cinderblock]] is a male, the [[Stop Sign]] is female.
*It's been confirmed that E. Fullmer's first initial stands for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

===Remarks===
*The [[No Loafing Sign|No Loafing]] sign can be seen when Strong Bad finds the Cheat in the dryer, which suggests that Strong Bad might have more than one.
**Or, for some nonsensical reason, there's a dryer (and possibly washer) in the same room.
*This email was released in September 2003, so the changes should theoretically come into fruition in September 2005.
*[[Strong Bad]] doesn't look much different in [[1987]].
*The fact that Strong Sad says "The Cheat really has a nice place in here" while he is in [[The King of Town's Grill|the King of Town's grill]] can confirm that the the king's grill is much more spacious on the inside than it looks.

===Glitches===
*[[Homestar's Website]] will not open as a webpage in Netscape 1.0.

===Inside References===
*The music that plays when the Cinderblock's note is displayed is the same music that played in [[A Decemberween Pageant]] when Marzipan was talking to The Cheat (right after Strong Bad had said, "There's a squid.") and, later, in [[pom pom]] when Strong Bad is writing the letter to [[Pom Pom]]'s parents.
*Strong Sad in the barbecue is a reference to [[Where's The Cheat?]].

== DVD Version ==
*The Homestar's website Easter egg is actually part of the email. When you switch the angle using the angle button on your DVD remote, it pops up like a regular webpage window and sticks around for ten or fifteen seconds.
*The Cheat in the Dryer and Strong Sad in the Grill Easter eggs have now been separated. You can now find Strong Sad by selecting a hidden Strong Bad icon in the lower-left corner of the Compy 386 screen.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail85.html|watch "2 years"]]
*[[HR:sbemail85.swf|view the Flash file for "2 years"]]
*[[HR:mywedpage.html|view Homestar Runner's "website"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
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User talk:Svelt

Svelt — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:34:27 GMT

Svelt: Cleaned stuff up.

Hello and welcome to the [[HRWiki:About|Homestar Runner Wiki]]! Hope you like it here, and stick around.

:Here are some tips to help you get started:

*Have a look at the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide].
*If you need help, post a question on the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page]] for the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]].
*Read the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] of the Wiki.
*Remember that above all else, this is a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to [[Homestar Runner]].
*Explore, and be sure to have fun!

:Good luck! And if you need any help, don't hesitate to contact [[User:The Paper|me]] or any members of the [[HRWiki:Welcoming_committee|Welcoming Committee]]!
:--[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 03:46, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

big white face

Svelt — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:32:25 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Clarified sentence on The Cheat smoking.

[[Image:sbemail70.PNG|thumb|Strong Sad gets cake'd.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #70'''

Somebody asks Strong Bad why he is so mean to the guy with the big white face and gray body.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Poopsmith]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Date:''' April 21, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:38

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hoo! Cha! Cheritiza! Hooritajuzu-duh-email!

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,

Why are you so mean to the guy with
the big white face and gray body?

Jen C from Millbrae, CA</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second.
''{types run "M4RZ1P4N"}'' Is she talking about Marzipan? ''{Marzipan's picture shows up on his computer}'' No, her head is...more like a baseball bat.
''{types run "bu-hubs"}'' Maybe Bubs? No. Bubs is definitely of the blue-headed persuasion.
''{types run "undabite"}'' Homestar's got the white head, but...his body's just kinda that red skirt.
''{types run "no-neck"}'' Strong Mad doesn't really have a head ''or'' a body.
''{types run "dacheese"}'' The Cheat's physiology just plain baffles me.
''{types run "mr.smith"}'' Um, the Poopsmith? Oh, the Poopsmith! Why would she think he has a gray body? Maybe her monitor isn't calibrated right. Or maybe she's like...on one of those old black and white monitors.
''{types run "b/w", it converts his monitor to an old Macintosh layout}'' That's it!
''{tabs out of the Macintosh layout, starts typing}'' Yeah, maybe I am a little hard on that guy. I should do something nice for him.

''{Strong Bad gets up, Strong Sad walks past}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Just on my way to do some stuff—oh! What's this say? ''{reads the email, mumbling}'' Finally! My come-uppance has arrived! I should go wait somewhere inconspicuous and act none the wiser.

''{Cut to a screen of the Macintosh setup with the caption "A little while later..." Then cut to the field, where Strong Sad is standing.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, nothing, nothing... ''{Strong Bad starts walking past him with a cake behind his back}'' Oh, hey, Strong Bad!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, wiggity-wiener.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Did you have something you wanted to tell me?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm... You're the wiggity-wiener?

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, not that. What are you holding behind your back?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm... A single deuce? Doosh? ''{flips him the single deuce}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, your other back!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uhhh... Cake for the Poopsmith? Doosh? ''{throws the cake in Strong Sad's face}'' Aww, look what you made me do! Now I gotta make The Cheat make me another cake. ''{walks off}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I wish I could say that this is the first time this has happened to me. ''Today.''

''{Back to the Mac screen, now reading "Another while later..." Cut to the Poopsmith and his pile of [[Whatsit|whatsit]]. Strong Bad walks up to him with another cake.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, doodoo man! I just wanted to apologize for throwing that first cake at Strong Sad. I put some beans on it. You know. In case maybe you wanted beans on it. ''{The Poopsmith shrugs}'' I hope there's no hard feelings. ''{The Poopsmith takes the cake}'' Anyways, it really stinks over here, so, uhh... I'm—I'm gonna go. Enjoy the cake.

''{Strong Bad walks off. The Poopsmith flinches when [[The Paper]] comes down. The Poopsmith pokes it with his shovel.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on the image of [[The Cheat]] to check out his physiology.
*At the end you can click on a bit of poo on [[The Poopsmith's Shovel|the Poopsmith's shovel]] to download those Mac desktops as wallpaper.
*Also at the end, you can click on the cake to see what the cake looks like—you can keep clicking on it to add toppings to it. You can add (in this order): fortune cookies, Chinese food (which looks like it might be [[General Tso's Chicken]]), grapes, Golden Grahams cereal, ice cubes, lemon slices, and finally, a [[Swiss Cake Roll]] and the "50" candle from [[50 emails]].
**The cake Easter egg will not work on some computers, probably because the cake is stored in a separate Flash file.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*The first cake said, "Hey Poopsmith! Here's a cake!" However, the second cake (when zoomed in, not seen in the close-up) says "Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper." ''(also see Inside References)''
[[Image:thecheat_physiology.png|thumb|Only one organ is present.]]
*The Cheat only seems to have one organ and no veins, and if the organ is the brain, then The Cheats might not use any form of blood, which, due to the non-existence of nerve endings, would make it impossible for The Cheats to feel pain, despite the fact that The Cheat does frequently. However, given the location of the organ, and the fact that it has a tube extending from it to the mouth, it could possibly be the stomach. On the other hand, the position (behind the ribs) and appearance of the organ might be the heart.
**The Cheat clearly has nerve endings. His nerves dangle out from below the unlabeled brain-like organ in his head.

===Remarks===
*It's strange that Strong Bad arrives at the black and white monitor theory. With such a monitor, "big white face and gray body" could describe every character except Bubs, Pom Pom, and the Cheat (who would all turn out gray-faced) and Marzipan and Strong Mad (who were already ruled out due to their shape).
*It's also strange that Strong Bad says he's been hard on the Poopsmith, since in [[your friends]], he says he did nothing to the Poopsmith because, on account of the Poopsmith's profession, "his tolerance for pain's gotta be through the roof."
* In the part where Strong Bad says, "Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second...," he's actually typing it, meaning he's sending a reply. Because it's a reply, he should have said "you," not "she."

===Goofs===
*If the contrast is changed before the Mac desktop comes up, then the Mac desktop appears blue instead of grey.
*Strong Sad's face isn't affected by contrast change.

===Inside References===
*"Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper" ''(see Trivia)'' is a reference to [[caper]].
*When Strong Sad asks what Strong Bad is holding behind his back he says the Single Deuce, [[Pom Pom]]'s gesture from "[[the bird]]."
*The Cheat's photo shows him smoking a cigar, as per his nicotine habit seen in [[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge|the smoking game]] and [[Where's The Cheat?]] His addiction is revisited in [[montage]].

===Real-World References===
*The email's page title says "Compy 086" instead of "[[Compy 386]]," and there's an icon on the black and white Mac desktop that says "Compy 086." This is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Intel 8086|Intel 8086]], the first 16-bit processor introduced by Intel. Oddly enough, an early Macintosh would have been running on a [[Wikipedia:Motorola 68000|Motorola 68000]] processor, not on an Intel processor.
*Karateka is a form of Martial Arts. It is like Karatedo, except Karatedo is about training the mind along with the body.
*The Apple desktop has [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,31/gameId,1268/ Karateka] on it, a very famous game from 1984 by Jordan Mechner.
*The old-timey Mac wallpaper has a floppy disk icon that reads "The Manhole," one of the first computer games by Cyan, the company that would go on to make Myst.
*Strong Bad calls the Poopsmith "doodoo man", which could possibly be a reference to the song "Rap De Rap Show" on De La Soul's album De La Soul Is Dead (The main character in "Rap De Rap Show" is called the DooDoo Man.) "De La Soul Is Dead" is one of [[Matt Chapman]]'s favorite albums, which makes this fun fact more plausible.

== DVD Version ==
*All of the Easter eggs are still viewable using either the angle button on your DVD remote or pressing down to find the bad graphics Strong Bad at the end of the email.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail70.html|watch "big white face"]]
*[[HR:sbemail70.swf|view the Flash file for "big white face"]]
*[[HR:cake.swf|view the cake]]
*[[HR:wallpapers/macbkgd2.gif|download the Mac desktop (800×600)]]
*[[HR:wallpapers/macbkgd.gif|download the Mac desktop (1024×768)]]

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big white face

Svelt — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:30:32 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Added reference to The Cheat's smoking problem.

[[Image:sbemail70.PNG|thumb|Strong Sad gets cake'd.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #70'''

Somebody asks Strong Bad why he is so mean to the guy with the big white face and gray body.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Poopsmith]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Date:''' April 21, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:38

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hoo! Cha! Cheritiza! Hooritajuzu-duh-email!

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,

Why are you so mean to the guy with
the big white face and gray body?

Jen C from Millbrae, CA</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second.
''{types run "M4RZ1P4N"}'' Is she talking about Marzipan? ''{Marzipan's picture shows up on his computer}'' No, her head is...more like a baseball bat.
''{types run "bu-hubs"}'' Maybe Bubs? No. Bubs is definitely of the blue-headed persuasion.
''{types run "undabite"}'' Homestar's got the white head, but...his body's just kinda that red skirt.
''{types run "no-neck"}'' Strong Mad doesn't really have a head ''or'' a body.
''{types run "dacheese"}'' The Cheat's physiology just plain baffles me.
''{types run "mr.smith"}'' Um, the Poopsmith? Oh, the Poopsmith! Why would she think he has a gray body? Maybe her monitor isn't calibrated right. Or maybe she's like...on one of those old black and white monitors.
''{types run "b/w", it converts his monitor to an old Macintosh layout}'' That's it!
''{tabs out of the Macintosh layout, starts typing}'' Yeah, maybe I am a little hard on that guy. I should do something nice for him.

''{Strong Bad gets up, Strong Sad walks past}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Just on my way to do some stuff—oh! What's this say? ''{reads the email, mumbling}'' Finally! My come-uppance has arrived! I should go wait somewhere inconspicuous and act none the wiser.

''{Cut to a screen of the Macintosh setup with the caption "A little while later..." Then cut to the field, where Strong Sad is standing.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, nothing, nothing... ''{Strong Bad starts walking past him with a cake behind his back}'' Oh, hey, Strong Bad!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, wiggity-wiener.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Did you have something you wanted to tell me?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm... You're the wiggity-wiener?

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, not that. What are you holding behind your back?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm... A single deuce? Doosh? ''{flips him the single deuce}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, your other back!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uhhh... Cake for the Poopsmith? Doosh? ''{throws the cake in Strong Sad's face}'' Aww, look what you made me do! Now I gotta make The Cheat make me another cake. ''{walks off}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I wish I could say that this is the first time this has happened to me. ''Today.''

''{Back to the Mac screen, now reading "Another while later..." Cut to the Poopsmith and his pile of [[Whatsit|whatsit]]. Strong Bad walks up to him with another cake.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, doodoo man! I just wanted to apologize for throwing that first cake at Strong Sad. I put some beans on it. You know. In case maybe you wanted beans on it. ''{The Poopsmith shrugs}'' I hope there's no hard feelings. ''{The Poopsmith takes the cake}'' Anyways, it really stinks over here, so, uhh... I'm—I'm gonna go. Enjoy the cake.

''{Strong Bad walks off. The Poopsmith flinches when [[The Paper]] comes down. The Poopsmith pokes it with his shovel.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on the image of [[The Cheat]] to check out his physiology.
*At the end you can click on a bit of poo on [[The Poopsmith's Shovel|the Poopsmith's shovel]] to download those Mac desktops as wallpaper.
*Also at the end, you can click on the cake to see what the cake looks like—you can keep clicking on it to add toppings to it. You can add (in this order): fortune cookies, Chinese food (which looks like it might be [[General Tso's Chicken]]), grapes, Golden Grahams cereal, ice cubes, lemon slices, and finally, a [[Swiss Cake Roll]] and the "50" candle from [[50 emails]].
**The cake Easter egg will not work on some computers, probably because the cake is stored in a separate Flash file.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*The first cake said, "Hey Poopsmith! Here's a cake!" However, the second cake (when zoomed in, not seen in the close-up) says "Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper." ''(also see Inside References)''
[[Image:thecheat_physiology.png|thumb|Only one organ is present.]]
*The Cheat only seems to have one organ and no veins, and if the organ is the brain, then The Cheats might not use any form of blood, which, due to the non-existence of nerve endings, would make it impossible for The Cheats to feel pain, despite the fact that The Cheat does frequently. However, given the location of the organ, and the fact that it has a tube extending from it to the mouth, it could possibly be the stomach. On the other hand, the position (behind the ribs) and appearance of the organ might be the heart.
**The Cheat clearly has nerve endings. His nerves dangle out from below the unlabeled brain-like organ in his head.

===Remarks===
*It's strange that Strong Bad arrives at the black and white monitor theory. With such a monitor, "big white face and gray body" could describe every character except Bubs, Pom Pom, and the Cheat (who would all turn out gray-faced) and Marzipan and Strong Mad (who were already ruled out due to their shape).
*It's also strange that Strong Bad says he's been hard on the Poopsmith, since in [[your friends]], he says he did nothing to the Poopsmith because, on account of the Poopsmith's profession, "his tolerance for pain's gotta be through the roof."
* In the part where Strong Bad says, "Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second...," he's actually typing it, meaning he's sending a reply. Because it's a reply, he should have said "you," not "she."

===Goofs===
*If the contrast is changed before the Mac desktop comes up, then the Mac desktop appears blue instead of grey.
*Strong Sad's face isn't affected by contrast change.

===Inside References===
*"Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper" ''(see Trivia)'' is a reference to [[caper]].
*When Strong Sad asks what Strong Bad is holding behind his back he says the Single Deuce, [[Pom Pom]]'s gesture from "[[the bird]]."
*The Cheat is smoking a cigar, as per his nicotine habit seen in [[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge|the smoking game]] and [[Where's The Cheat?]] His addiction is revisited in [[montage]].

===Real-World References===
*The email's page title says "Compy 086" instead of "[[Compy 386]]," and there's an icon on the black and white Mac desktop that says "Compy 086." This is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Intel 8086|Intel 8086]], the first 16-bit processor introduced by Intel. Oddly enough, an early Macintosh would have been running on a [[Wikipedia:Motorola 68000|Motorola 68000]] processor, not on an Intel processor.
*Karateka is a form of Martial Arts. It is like Karatedo, except Karatedo is about training the mind along with the body.
*The Apple desktop has [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,31/gameId,1268/ Karateka] on it, a very famous game from 1984 by Jordan Mechner.
*The old-timey Mac wallpaper has a floppy disk icon that reads "The Manhole," one of the first computer games by Cyan, the company that would go on to make Myst.
*Strong Bad calls the Poopsmith "doodoo man", which could possibly be a reference to the song "Rap De Rap Show" on De La Soul's album De La Soul Is Dead (The main character in "Rap De Rap Show" is called the DooDoo Man.) "De La Soul Is Dead" is one of [[Matt Chapman]]'s favorite albums, which makes this fun fact more plausible.

== DVD Version ==
*All of the Easter eggs are still viewable using either the angle button on your DVD remote or pressing down to find the bad graphics Strong Bad at the end of the email.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail70.html|watch "big white face"]]
*[[HR:sbemail70.swf|view the Flash file for "big white face"]]
*[[HR:cake.swf|view the cake]]
*[[HR:wallpapers/macbkgd2.gif|download the Mac desktop (800×600)]]
*[[HR:wallpapers/macbkgd.gif|download the Mac desktop (1024×768)]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Strong Sad Filmography]][[Category:The Poopsmith Filmography]]

montage

Svelt — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:22:38 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Fixed link for "Moving Very Slowly."

[[Image:sbemail117.png|thumb|A girl. Or maybe a wagon. Filled up with pancakes.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #117'''

Strong Bad "creats" a few montages about a [[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Coach Z]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Pond]], [[The Movie Theatre]], [[Race Track]], [[Champeenship]]

'''Date:''' November 8, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 3:16

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{announcing}'' Tonight on Strong Bad Email: Comedian Coach Z, actress Marzipan, and some guy from a zoo.

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
Why don't you creat a montage?

Steve
Surf City, NJ</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "creat" as "cree-at" and reads NJ as "No Job"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' ''{in a high-pitched, mocking voice}'' Oooohhh! Why don't you creat an alternate reality where you don't have to spell correctly and I talk like this. And your name is Watered Down. ''{clears screen, continues typing in normal voice}'' A montage, eh Watered Down? Like, about whatever? Okay. I'll make a montage about...

''{cut to an empty field}''

Me. ''{Strong Bad appears}''

And a wagon. ''{a wagon appears}''

Full of pancakes. ''{pancakes appear in the wagon}''

''{Diamond wipe to Strong Bad and the wagon walking past Bubs's Concession Stand.}''

''{Wipe to a field where Strong Bad kicks the wagon calmly.}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad pulling the wagon uphill.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oooh, or maybe a montage of me falling in love with the wagon full of pancakes.

''{Heart wipe to Strong Bad in a boat with the wagon. They are both holding glasses of wine (Or some sort of juice).}''

''{singing}''

Let's make this moment be the symbol of our lives 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon listening to a Taranchula LP on headphones.}'' 
We'll pawn your dad's computer 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon, under the stars. Strong Bad points to some shooting stars in the distance.}'' 
and we'll sail to paradise 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon spinning around, holding "hands".}'' 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon at the movies. Strong Bad drops some popcorn.}'' 
You're a girl... or maybe a wagon... 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon at a fast food place. Strong Bad puts ketchup on some fries while laughing and smiling.} 
filled up with pancakes 
{Cut to Strong Bad frolicking across a field as the wagon follows.}'' 

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe a montage of the wagon full of pancakes
''{cut to a front door view of The Cheat and the wagon}''
and The Cheat being down on their luck door to door salesmen.

''{Cut to The Cheat lying in the wagon as the wagon rolls past.}''

''{Several doors slam on The Cheat at different angles.}''

''{singing}''
You can't do it so give up now 
Whatcha gonna do when your dough runs out? 
Ain't that a drag? 
''{Cut to the wagon sitting in an arm chair while the Cheat lies on the floor in front, smoking.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{stops singing}'' No, I got it. A montage of the wagon full of pancakes training ''{cut to Homestar in a black shirt that says "The #1" looking at the wagon in a field}'' for the championship.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' A wagon full of pamcakes? In the champeenship? I'd like to see you try.

''{Zoom in on pancakes as training music starts to play.}''

''{Cut to the wagon climbing the stairs of a stadium.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}''
Guts, guts and might ''{The wagon's handle slowly collapses on top of a barbell.}'' 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon on a track.}'' 
Lifting weights and feeling all right ''{Strong Bad clicks a stop watch.''} 
''{Cut to a silhouette of Strong Bad and the wagon running past a sunset and an ocean.}'' 
It's a showdown going downtown 
You're gonna mess around showdown 
''{Cut to the wagon ascending the bleachers again.}'' 
Put your nose down showdown 
''{Cut to quick shot of wagon jumping up and down at the top of the bleachers.}'' 

''{Cut to Homestar Runner and the wagon in a gym as Coach Z looks on in a referee costume.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hiya! Hiya! ''{Homestar kicks.}''

''{The wagon's handle falls on Homestar, just like it did while training with the barbell, and Homestar falls down.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oof!

'''COACH Z:''' The pamcakes wins!

''{A buzzer sounds and the score changes from 6-6 to 6-7 on the scoreboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Showdown.

''{Cut to Strong Bad at the Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Those were some good montages, eh Watered Down? That was like, a montage of montages. The only thing we left out is the end credits photo montage. Hit it!

''{Cut to a glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon in the boat.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': ''{singing}''
Partying... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon on the beach.}''
It's the weekend... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon in the movie theater.}'' 
''{Cut to a closeup of The Cheat lying on the floor.}'' 
'''CAPTION:''' The Cheat never sold a single box of toner. He is currently unemployed. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' And a wagon... ''party party party''. 
Full of pancakes... 
''{Cut to Homestar kicking in the gym.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': Homestar sold his "The #1" shirt for $3(US). He got a good deal. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to a glossy of Strong Bad frolicing across the field, the wagon not in the photo.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': Strong Bad went on to host some show on Animal Planet. 
It was cancelled before the first commercial break. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' And we're partying... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to the wagon with a fedora.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': After winning the champeenship, the Wagon Fulla Pancakes did some local TV spots for a used car dealership. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing}'' It's the weekend... ''party party party'' 
And we're partying... ''party party party'' 
Everybody does it tonnniiight... 
'''CAPTION''': It currently resides in Long Beach with its spouse and 2 children.

''{Homestar quits singing.}''

''{[[The Paper]] comes down onto the photo.}''

== Easter Eggs ==

*Wait a bit at the end to see what becomes of [[The Paper]].
<pre>The Paper stuck around until
email #173, at which time Strong Bad
upgraded to an inkjet printer.</pre>

*At the end, click on "4 Wheels" on the wagon to see Homestar, undefeated in spirit.
:'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{singing in the now dark champeenship stadium}''
:I'm the best around
:Sombadubba sombadubba, take me down!
:I'm the best around!
:Dubba dubba dubbado, take me down!
:''{his score on the score board behind him turns from 0 to -1 as the buzzing sound is heard}''

*At the end, click on "Strong Bad" to see another scene.
:''{highly pixelated versions of Strong Bad wearing a pink jogging suit and the Wagon Fulla Pancakes are running through a highly pixelated city, which is the NYC backdrop from Punch-Out from the NES}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a showdown going downtown
:You're gonna mess around showdown
:Put your nose down showdown

== Fun Facts ==
{{funfacts}}
===Explanations===
*In filmic terms, scholars David Bordwell and Kristin Thompson define a montage sequence as "a segment of film which summarizes a topic or compresses a passage of time into brief symbolic or typical images." Also, montage sequences generally represent a longer passage of time than the also-typical "dissolve" or "fade" techniques between shots.
===Trivia===
*This is an email [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=34044#34044 that was sent in by an HRWiki member]. Congratulations [[User:porplemontage|porplemontage]]!
*In the original version of this e-mail, the background was static while Strong Bad and the wagon were spinning around. It has since been fixed to blurred trees.
*At the rate of one e-mail per week, [[The Paper]] will be around until around December 5th, 2005.
*This email introduces an updated, more symmetrical version of the gray "horns" on Strong Bad's mask.
*The Champeenship fight is the first time we ever see Homestar wearing pants outside of Halloween 'toons (though he almost put on a pair in [[monument]]).

===Remarks===
*Homestar gets less money for a shirt than he gets for a half-eaten breakfast burrito in [http://www.homestarrunner.com/auction.html "Some Type of Online Auction"].
*Strong Bad probably changed Steve's name to Watered Down to prevent another "[[Eh! Steve]]" crack, like he did in [[kids' book]] and [[different town]].
===Goofs===
*Strong Bad, who makes a point of criticizing every e-mailer's spelling and grammar, makes a critical mistake here himself. "Why don't you creat an alternate reality where you don't have to spell correctly and I talk like this." This sentence should have a question mark, but it doesn't!

===Inside References===
*The scene with Strong Bad and the Wagon Fulla Pancakes sitting in the canoe is reminiscent of [[lures & jigs]], where Strong Bad and Coach Z fish in the exact same spot. This is probably prompted by the [[lures & jigs]] DVD Commentary, in which The Brothers Chaps decide to reuse the lake, and which was presumably recorded before this email came out. In doing so, TBC also reused [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (place)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]], the ketchup and fries from [[funny]], the house from [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], and [[The Movie Theatre]].
*The song Strong Bad sings when he falls in love with the wagon is reminiscent of the style of [[The Kinda Long Haired Band]].
*The [[Taranchula]] album cover is the same one from the liner notes of [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]], on which their song [[Moving Very Slowly]] appears. The name "Taranchula" also appears in the e-mail [[band names]].
*Besides the [[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge|smoking game]] and [[big white face]], this is the first actual cartoon in which you see The Cheat smoking. Strong Bad originally acknowledged The Cheat's nicotine habit in [[Where's The Cheat?]]
*The sparkling water seen while Strong Bad is running on the horizon seems to be the same from [[Main Page 3]].
*The lyric "Lifting weights and feeling all right", from the song played during the training montage, may be a reference to [[dangeresque 3]]'s "Riding in a Corvette and feeling all right" lyric.
*"The #1" T-Shirt is loosely referenced by Strong Sad in the commentary of [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD|In Search Of The Yello Dello]].
**Though the shirt Strong Sad refers to says "I'm #1" according to him, as opposed to "The #1."

===Real-World References===
*The song Homestar is singing in the Easter Egg ("You're the Best") comes from the 1984 masterpiece, ''[[Wikipedia:The_Karate_Kid|The Karate Kid.]]'' Homestar's headband, bearing the design of an old Japanese flag, is also a reference to this film, and has appeared before in both [[pom pom]] and [[Theme Song Video]].
**There is actually a song called "Training Montage" from Rocky IV by Vince DiCola.
**The scene during which "You're the Best" plays in ''The Karate Kid'' is another well-known martial arts training montage.
*Much of the wagon's training sequence (especially the wagon "running" up the stairs) is a parody of the training sequence from the immortal boxing epic, ''[[Wikipedia:Rocky|Rocky]]''. It could also be seen as an homage to the Matthew Modine classic ''Vision Quest'' in which the steps of a stadium are used during the workout routine.
*The Strong Bad easter egg is a take on the popular NES game ''[[Wikipedia:Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!|Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!]]'', in which halfway through the game you saw a similar sequence.
**The ''Punchout'' sequence itself was a clear reference to the training sequence in ''[[Wikipedia:Rocky|Rocky]]''.
*There actually is a system call in the Unix operating system called "creat." It creat(e)s a new file.
*The "some guy from a zoo" line by Strong Bad during the "Late-Night Talk Show"-style intro is most likely a reference to how such shows often resort to the gimmick of having zoo workers appear on the show, accompanied by their animal partners, whose mischievous antics can often get a cheap laugh from the audience.
*The Cheat not being able to sell any toner is reminiscent of the movie ''The Salesman'', where traveling salesmen have varying rates of success selling bibles. The poorest selling bible seller of the group winds up losing his job.
*The line about Strong Bad's show being canceled before the commercial break may be a reference to ''[[Wikipedia:Turn-On|Turn-On]]'', which was cancelled 10 minutes into its pilot episode.
*The End Credits Photo Montage song is reminiscient of the ''[[Wikipedia:Queen_(band)|Queen]]'' song "Headlong."

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail117.html|watch "montage"]]
*[[HR:sbemail117.swf|view the Flash file for "montage"]]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1226 forum thread re: "montage"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:The Cheat Filmography]][[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]][[Category:Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

montage

Svelt — Sat, 21 May 2005 01:21:09 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Added smoking reference from Big White Face

[[Image:sbemail117.png|thumb|A girl. Or maybe a wagon. Filled up with pancakes.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #117'''

Strong Bad "creats" a few montages about a [[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Coach Z]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Pond]], [[The Movie Theatre]], [[Race Track]], [[Champeenship]]

'''Date:''' November 8, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 3:16

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{announcing}'' Tonight on Strong Bad Email: Comedian Coach Z, actress Marzipan, and some guy from a zoo.

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
Why don't you creat a montage?

Steve
Surf City, NJ</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "creat" as "cree-at" and reads NJ as "No Job"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' ''{in a high-pitched, mocking voice}'' Oooohhh! Why don't you creat an alternate reality where you don't have to spell correctly and I talk like this. And your name is Watered Down. ''{clears screen, continues typing in normal voice}'' A montage, eh Watered Down? Like, about whatever? Okay. I'll make a montage about...

''{cut to an empty field}''

Me. ''{Strong Bad appears}''

And a wagon. ''{a wagon appears}''

Full of pancakes. ''{pancakes appear in the wagon}''

''{Diamond wipe to Strong Bad and the wagon walking past Bubs's Concession Stand.}''

''{Wipe to a field where Strong Bad kicks the wagon calmly.}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad pulling the wagon uphill.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oooh, or maybe a montage of me falling in love with the wagon full of pancakes.

''{Heart wipe to Strong Bad in a boat with the wagon. They are both holding glasses of wine (Or some sort of juice).}''

''{singing}''

Let's make this moment be the symbol of our lives 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon listening to a Taranchula LP on headphones.}'' 
We'll pawn your dad's computer 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon, under the stars. Strong Bad points to some shooting stars in the distance.}'' 
and we'll sail to paradise 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon spinning around, holding "hands".}'' 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon at the movies. Strong Bad drops some popcorn.}'' 
You're a girl... or maybe a wagon... 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon at a fast food place. Strong Bad puts ketchup on some fries while laughing and smiling.} 
filled up with pancakes 
{Cut to Strong Bad frolicking across a field as the wagon follows.}'' 

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe a montage of the wagon full of pancakes
''{cut to a front door view of The Cheat and the wagon}''
and The Cheat being down on their luck door to door salesmen.

''{Cut to The Cheat lying in the wagon as the wagon rolls past.}''

''{Several doors slam on The Cheat at different angles.}''

''{singing}''
You can't do it so give up now 
Whatcha gonna do when your dough runs out? 
Ain't that a drag? 
''{Cut to the wagon sitting in an arm chair while the Cheat lies on the floor in front, smoking.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{stops singing}'' No, I got it. A montage of the wagon full of pancakes training ''{cut to Homestar in a black shirt that says "The #1" looking at the wagon in a field}'' for the championship.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' A wagon full of pamcakes? In the champeenship? I'd like to see you try.

''{Zoom in on pancakes as training music starts to play.}''

''{Cut to the wagon climbing the stairs of a stadium.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}''
Guts, guts and might ''{The wagon's handle slowly collapses on top of a barbell.}'' 
''{Cut to Strong Bad and the wagon on a track.}'' 
Lifting weights and feeling all right ''{Strong Bad clicks a stop watch.''} 
''{Cut to a silhouette of Strong Bad and the wagon running past a sunset and an ocean.}'' 
It's a showdown going downtown 
You're gonna mess around showdown 
''{Cut to the wagon ascending the bleachers again.}'' 
Put your nose down showdown 
''{Cut to quick shot of wagon jumping up and down at the top of the bleachers.}'' 

''{Cut to Homestar Runner and the wagon in a gym as Coach Z looks on in a referee costume.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hiya! Hiya! ''{Homestar kicks.}''

''{The wagon's handle falls on Homestar, just like it did while training with the barbell, and Homestar falls down.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oof!

'''COACH Z:''' The pamcakes wins!

''{A buzzer sounds and the score changes from 6-6 to 6-7 on the scoreboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Showdown.

''{Cut to Strong Bad at the Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Those were some good montages, eh Watered Down? That was like, a montage of montages. The only thing we left out is the end credits photo montage. Hit it!

''{Cut to a glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon in the boat.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': ''{singing}''
Partying... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon on the beach.}''
It's the weekend... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to glossy of Strong Bad and the wagon in the movie theater.}'' 
''{Cut to a closeup of The Cheat lying on the floor.}'' 
'''CAPTION:''' The Cheat never sold a single box of toner. He is currently unemployed. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' And a wagon... ''party party party''. 
Full of pancakes... 
''{Cut to Homestar kicking in the gym.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': Homestar sold his "The #1" shirt for $3(US). He got a good deal. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to a glossy of Strong Bad frolicing across the field, the wagon not in the photo.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': Strong Bad went on to host some show on Animal Planet. 
It was cancelled before the first commercial break. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' And we're partying... ''party party party'' 
''{Cut to the wagon with a fedora.}'' 
'''CAPTION''': After winning the champeenship, the Wagon Fulla Pancakes did some local TV spots for a used car dealership. 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing}'' It's the weekend... ''party party party'' 
And we're partying... ''party party party'' 
Everybody does it tonnniiight... 
'''CAPTION''': It currently resides in Long Beach with its spouse and 2 children.

''{Homestar quits singing.}''

''{[[The Paper]] comes down onto the photo.}''

== Easter Eggs ==

*Wait a bit at the end to see what becomes of [[The Paper]].
<pre>The Paper stuck around until
email #173, at which time Strong Bad
upgraded to an inkjet printer.</pre>

*At the end, click on "4 Wheels" on the wagon to see Homestar, undefeated in spirit.
:'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{singing in the now dark champeenship stadium}''
:I'm the best around
:Sombadubba sombadubba, take me down!
:I'm the best around!
:Dubba dubba dubbado, take me down!
:''{his score on the score board behind him turns from 0 to -1 as the buzzing sound is heard}''

*At the end, click on "Strong Bad" to see another scene.
:''{highly pixelated versions of Strong Bad wearing a pink jogging suit and the Wagon Fulla Pancakes are running through a highly pixelated city, which is the NYC backdrop from Punch-Out from the NES}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a showdown going downtown
:You're gonna mess around showdown
:Put your nose down showdown

== Fun Facts ==
{{funfacts}}
===Explanations===
*In filmic terms, scholars David Bordwell and Kristin Thompson define a montage sequence as "a segment of film which summarizes a topic or compresses a passage of time into brief symbolic or typical images." Also, montage sequences generally represent a longer passage of time than the also-typical "dissolve" or "fade" techniques between shots.
===Trivia===
*This is an email [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=34044#34044 that was sent in by an HRWiki member]. Congratulations [[User:porplemontage|porplemontage]]!
*In the original version of this e-mail, the background was static while Strong Bad and the wagon were spinning around. It has since been fixed to blurred trees.
*At the rate of one e-mail per week, [[The Paper]] will be around until around December 5th, 2005.
*This email introduces an updated, more symmetrical version of the gray "horns" on Strong Bad's mask.
*The Champeenship fight is the first time we ever see Homestar wearing pants outside of Halloween 'toons (though he almost put on a pair in [[monument]]).

===Remarks===
*Homestar gets less money for a shirt than he gets for a half-eaten breakfast burrito in [http://www.homestarrunner.com/auction.html "Some Type of Online Auction"].
*Strong Bad probably changed Steve's name to Watered Down to prevent another "[[Eh! Steve]]" crack, like he did in [[kids' book]] and [[different town]].
===Goofs===
*Strong Bad, who makes a point of criticizing every e-mailer's spelling and grammar, makes a critical mistake here himself. "Why don't you creat an alternate reality where you don't have to spell correctly and I talk like this." This sentence should have a question mark, but it doesn't!

===Inside References===
*The scene with Strong Bad and the Wagon Fulla Pancakes sitting in the canoe is reminiscent of [[lures & jigs]], where Strong Bad and Coach Z fish in the exact same spot. This is probably prompted by the [[lures & jigs]] DVD Commentary, in which The Brothers Chaps decide to reuse the lake, and which was presumably recorded before this email came out. In doing so, TBC also reused [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (place)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]], the ketchup and fries from [[funny]], the house from [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], and [[The Movie Theatre]].
*The song Strong Bad sings when he falls in love with the wagon is reminiscent of the style of [[The Kinda Long Haired Band]].
*The [[Taranchula]] album cover is the same one from the liner notes of [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]], on which their song [[Moving very slowly]] appears. The name "Taranchula" also appears in the e-mail [[band names]].
*Besides the [[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge|smoking game]] and [[big white face]], this is the first actual cartoon in which you see The Cheat smoking. Strong Bad originally acknowledged The Cheat's nicotine habit in [[Where's The Cheat?]]
*The sparkling water seen while Strong Bad is running on the horizon seems to be the same from [[Main Page 3]].
*The lyric "Lifting weights and feeling all right", from the song played during the training montage, may be a reference to [[dangeresque 3]]'s "Riding in a Corvette and feeling all right" lyric.
*"The #1" T-Shirt is loosely referenced by Strong Sad in the commentary of [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD|In Search Of The Yello Dello]].
**Though the shirt Strong Sad refers to says "I'm #1" according to him, as opposed to "The #1."

===Real-World References===
*The song Homestar is singing in the Easter Egg ("You're the Best") comes from the 1984 masterpiece, ''[[Wikipedia:The_Karate_Kid|The Karate Kid.]]'' Homestar's headband, bearing the design of an old Japanese flag, is also a reference to this film, and has appeared before in both [[pom pom]] and [[Theme Song Video]].
**There is actually a song called "Training Montage" from Rocky IV by Vince DiCola.
**The scene during which "You're the Best" plays in ''The Karate Kid'' is another well-known martial arts training montage.
*Much of the wagon's training sequence (especially the wagon "running" up the stairs) is a parody of the training sequence from the immortal boxing epic, ''[[Wikipedia:Rocky|Rocky]]''. It could also be seen as an homage to the Matthew Modine classic ''Vision Quest'' in which the steps of a stadium are used during the workout routine.
*The Strong Bad easter egg is a take on the popular NES game ''[[Wikipedia:Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!|Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!]]'', in which halfway through the game you saw a similar sequence.
**The ''Punchout'' sequence itself was a clear reference to the training sequence in ''[[Wikipedia:Rocky|Rocky]]''.
*There actually is a system call in the Unix operating system called "creat." It creat(e)s a new file.
*The "some guy from a zoo" line by Strong Bad during the "Late-Night Talk Show"-style intro is most likely a reference to how such shows often resort to the gimmick of having zoo workers appear on the show, accompanied by their animal partners, whose mischievous antics can often get a cheap laugh from the audience.
*The Cheat not being able to sell any toner is reminiscent of the movie ''The Salesman'', where traveling salesmen have varying rates of success selling bibles. The poorest selling bible seller of the group winds up losing his job.
*The line about Strong Bad's show being canceled before the commercial break may be a reference to ''[[Wikipedia:Turn-On|Turn-On]]'', which was cancelled 10 minutes into its pilot episode.
*The End Credits Photo Montage song is reminiscient of the ''[[Wikipedia:Queen_(band)|Queen]]'' song "Headlong."

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail117.html|watch "montage"]]
*[[HR:sbemail117.swf|view the Flash file for "montage"]]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1226 forum thread re: "montage"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
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Sketchbook (video)

Svelt — Tue, 17 May 2005 05:48:33 GMT

Svelt: /* Fun Facts */ Added "The Far Side" link. Wikipedia link more useful than www.thefarside.com.

[[Image:sketchbook_screenshot.png|thumb|right|220px|So many Trogdors, so little good Trodgors]]

'''Sketchbook'''

Mike and Matt give us a close look at many, many never-before-seen sketches.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]]

== Transcript ==
''{The video opens with a shot of a black marbled compostion book with a picture of Strong Mad}''

'''MATT:''' Welcome to the sketchbook.

'''MIKE:''' We're going to look at stuff ''{book opens}'' from our sketchbooks and talk about it.

''{Turns to a page with some sketches of a muscular The Cheat}''

'''MATT:''' This is the Strong Badman comic version of The Cheat. Look how scary he is. ''{points finger}'' He looks kind of like the Predator, maybe. He has dreads {points to dreads} and spots ''{points to spots}''. And no neck here ''{points to sketch without neck}'' and some neck here. ''{points to sketch with neck. Flips through pages}'' And then what else we got in here...

''{Flips to a sketch of a postcard of Pantsburgh from the email "vacation"}''

'''MATT:''' You recognize this...

''{Flips to some more sketches of postcards}''

'''MATT:''' Uh, but do you recognize "egg or rice"? ''{points to postcard saying "egg or rice"}'' What a place that would be to visit, right Mike?

'''MIKE:''' That's right.

''{Flips to more postcards}''

'''MATT:''' ''{talking about the postcards}'' What about the "Fake Palms Resort"? Or say a "Giant Book"? Or "Cruckscrew Bend's Fairly Oversized Elbow Macaroni"? What if Strong Bad had visited these places?

'''MIKE:''' I can't imagine what he might have said.

''{Flips to even more postcards}''

'''MATT:''' ''{points to postcard}'' What would he have done if he was a the corner of "No Dumping and No Dumping Street"?

'''MIKE:''' ''{almost laughing}'' Then he would have been dumping.

'''MATT:''' ''{points at another postcard}'' What about "Not A Very Big Ball O' Belts"? I bet he wouldn't have been very impressed.

''{Takes out a sheet with some Stinkoman sketches on it}''

'''MIKE:''' Look, there's a drawing of Stinkoman, an early drawing of Stinkoman.

'''MATT:''' No hair, no blue hair.

'''MIKE:''' He's got thumbs too.

'''MATT:''' ''{points to thumbs}'' And thumbs!

''{Pans to another Stinkoman sketch}''

'''MATT:''' And there's another one, laughing Stinkoman.

'''MIKE:''' ''{at same time as Matt}'' And uh, down here, very light, you can see Marzipan.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, she's got the little tear. ''{points to sketch of Marzipan}''

''{Takes out sheet with Teen Girl Squad sketches on it}''

'''MATT:''' And here's these ladies, do you sorta recognize them? There's Cheerleader with tentacles, The Ugly One is actually the hottest one, if you'll look. What's Her Face has huge lips, and So-And-So has skater hair. Still her plaid skirt though.

''{Flips through book, turns it sideways}''

'''MIKE:''' Is there anything else in there?

'''MATT:''' I don't know...there's some...

'''MIKE:''' Mortice, I like Mortice.

'''MATT:''' Mortice. ''{points to weird Strong Bad-like sketch}'' That's uh, Strong Bad.

'''MIKE:''' It's barely Strong Bad. ''{laughs}'' It really is. It's really-

'''MATT:''' If it weren't for that ''{point to diamond on forehead}'' and the general shape of his head. ''{points to a Strong Bad-like sketch with hands in pockets}'' Look at that Strong Bad kid from the 50's there. Uh... ''{flipping the page}'' Ooh, look at these! ''{page shows poorly drawn dragons}'' Uh, this was the - when we did Trogdor we just each started drawing a ton of badly drawn dragons. And here's a whole bunch of them. You can see the circled ones were finalists.

'''MIKE:''' ''{pointing to a Trogdor finalist}'' I like him a lot...

'''MATT:''' ''{referring to the same finalist}'' Two arm-y... Uh...

'''MIKE:''' ''{pointing to an S shaped stick figure}'' Look at th- I just noticed this... ''{starts laughing}''

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' That's a good one. ''{pointing to an odd figure with a caption saying "yess, yeeesss?!"}'' There's "yes" and... uh... what else?

'''MIKE:''' Oh, and this is the best one!

'''MATT:''' ''{pointing to an intelligent-looking dragon}'' And there's intellectual man... Trogdor.

'''MIKE:''' He's reading a book!

'''MATT:''' ...and has glasses on...

'''MIKE:''' There's some poison

'''MATT:''' And a melting, melting pizza.

'''MIKE:''' There's some poison.

'''MATT:''' I didn't drew that poison.

''{page turns to different bears}''

'''MATT:''' This is from one of the extra emails on your DVD. ''{turns it sideways}'' These are some sketches - sorry that's sideways - uh... sketches of the bear from one of the greeting cards. ''{pointing}'' That's clearly a "Far Side" bear... from the "Far Side." And there's the sick guy. ''{flipping the page to a bunch of Eh Steves}'' And that's, uh, Eh Steve - the invention of-

'''MIKE:''' - the inception of Eh Steve. ''{pointing}'' There's a little guy and there's the "Super Brave" kid. That's "Market Share" and there's a piece of swiss cheese.

'''MATT:''' Yeah... He looks pretty good. ''{flipping the page}'' This, uh... Is Senor Cardcage... And look! He's dragging along behind him the cloitsterizer - from one of our emails, which is an object we actually saw a little kid with, right? Yeah, dragging around a -

'''MIKE:''' Yeah a wooden piece of cheese... on a string...

''{page flips}''

'''MATT:''' What's that, Mike? ''{pointing}''

'''MIKE:''' That's a picture of Strong Bad wearing a crown, holding a fish and a guitar.

'''MATT:''' Yeah! That's a great one. ''{flipping the page}''

'''MIKE:''' And Ilko Skev�ld.

'''MATT:''' This was the concept before we decided to alter an actual photograph. ''{pointing}'' uh, and there's some... uh... tentacle Strong Bad. And miner Strong Bad. These are also barely Strong Bad, really.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah. ''{flipping the page}'' This is from an email that's not on the DVDs. It's L'il Brudder when he was just called "Brudder." And here are some other one-legged dogs.

'''MATT:''' ''{in a southern accent, pointing}'' All kinda bumps... I mean, not bumps...

'''MIKE:''' ''{trying to do a southern accent}'' Bumps...

'''MATT:''' ''{flipping page}'' Here's another, uh, Cheat, uh, comic book stuff. And a really fat King of Town.

'''MIKE:''' ''{flipping page}'' And here is, ummm, some Cow Copter... Drawings

'''MATT:''' Sherlock.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Sherlock is his real name. And he's wearing baggy pants.

'''MATT:''' ''{flipping page}'' Here's uh, some potential covers for the Strong Bad Sings album. ''{pointing}'' Uh... That one he has, cottage cheese muscles. And in this one he's got a laser going through his head. ''{flipping page}''

'''MIKE:''' And here's, uh, the Jolly Dumple. ''{reading}'' "Sheer elegance!!"

'''MATT:''' That's the grade I got on that drawing.

'''MIKE:''' That you gave yourself...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, I think I wrote that too.

'''MIKE:''' ''{pointing}'' And I like that guy too.

'''MATT:''' ''{pointing}'' And "Pou Baby"

'''MIKE:''' He's chewing on something. ''{pointing}'' Graw Mad.

'''MATT:''' ''{flipping page}'' Uh... This is from the inside cover of Strong Bad Sings but we - I guess we just forgot to do this! Look it had suggested sound effects. Thing.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{saying sound effects in Strong Bad voice}'' Froosh! Rar-a-tat, rat-a-tat! Dooj! Psheow! DOOSH!! CRGHGH!! AHH THE FIRE ON ME IS BURNING!

'''MIKE:''' ''{flipping page}'' Here's an unfinished Strong Badman comic.

'''MATT:''' ''{in comic announcer voice}'' In a building... ''{as a telephone}'' Ring! Ring... Ring! ''{as Strong Badman}'' Hello?

'''MIKE:''' That's all we got...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, thats... that,

'''MIKE:''' It's... It was gonna be good though...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, gripping. I can't wait to see what happens next. ''{flipping page}'' Here's some Strong Bad Sings, ''{pointing}'' this one has a fishnet hot lady leg coming out of some fire. ''{pointing}'' Here's Strong Bad with giant high-watt amp... for legs... Some different Strong Bads...

'''MIKE:''' ''{flipping page}'' And, um, here's a gas station with the wowld-famous-

'''MATT:''' ''{correcting}'' WOILD!

'''MIKE:''' Woild famous the Cheat gas station.

'''MATT:''' With outrageous prices!

'''MIKE:''' Prices... And no-armed, bearded Coach Z!

'''MATT:''' Coach-

'''MIKE:''' Coach "Backwards N" rather...

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah... ''{mutters}'' Yup. ''{flipping page}'' Uh, we made this thing The Cheatar for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - a giant 10-foot fiberglass guitar. Here- This was gonna be Trogdor. You can see his head up there... Then he'd be kind of curled up, ''{pointing}'' and it says ''{reading}'', 'Trogdor is this', just to verify. Uh, there's a BAD Homestar Runner one that we probably, good idea we didn't do.

'''MIKE:''' Ha! Very good, that we didn't do that one.

'''MATT:''' That one's The Cheat, before we added the arms.

'''MIKE:''' Huh, ''{flipping page}'' I never noticed this before, it's Wilbur, ''{pointing}'' frommmm...

'''MATT:''' Huh, that's just, that's from another egg- extra e-mail on your DVD that recently purchased Strong Bad e-mail three disk set! ''{flipping page}'' Uh... this was I think gonna be of the... the... cabinet art for the Trogdor stand up video game. ''{pointing}'' Look at how- what if that was the guy you were in Peasant's Quest? That's the old woman...

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughing}'' That's not Rather Dashing.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' No, clearly not. Uh, ''{muttering}'' that's kinda funny...

'''MIKE:''' ''{flipping page}'' What else? Anything?

'''MATT:''' Here's a comic that we made for our alma mater uh, ****DUNWOODY?**** highschool. They asked us to do something for the uh-

'''MIKE:''' School newspaper.

'''MATT:''' -yeah. So what does it say at the beginning there Mike?

'''MIKE:''' ''{reading}'' Scribble scribble.

'''MATT:''' ''{as Strong Bad, reading comic}'' Hey Homestar, this brick's got your name on it! KRAK! ''{as Homestar}'' Wait a minute, this is hardly my name at all!

'''MIKE:''' ''{pointing, reading}'' that says Strong Sad. So, Clobber! ''{pointing}'' He threw a safe-

'''MATT:''' ''{At same time as Mike, as Homestar}'' Oooooooooooooh, that's better.

'''MIKE:''' -With Homestar's name on it. That's humor.

'''MATT:''' ''{flipping to the origional children's book}'' And we'll end it with uh, with what started it all, the Kinko's colored Xerox cover of The Homestar Runner.

'''MIKE:''' Here wait, draw something really quick there.

'''MATT:''' Oooh, we'll end it, by drawing something.

''{Camera cuts to a time-lapse video of two blank sheets of paper, Matt and Mike begin drawing their respective sketches}''

'''MATT:''' GO!

'''MIKE:''' What are we gonna draw?

'''MATT:''' Uhhhh, Homestar Runner. Mine, already, is bad.

''{They finish sketching, and arrange their sketches side by side to compare}''

'''MATT:''' Mine's shooting a Bazooka.

'''MIKE:''' Mine's saying 'Yo'. ''{laughing}'' okay, yours wins.

'''MATT:''' Yes, so neither of us are very good at drawing our own characters, eh Mike?

'''MIKE:''' That's true.

== Fun Facts ==
*Some of the sketches TBC display had been used previously in the liner notes of [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]] and as Weekly Sketchbook images.
*Matt mentions that the Strong Badman style The Cheat looks like the creature from the film [[Wikipedia:Predator (movie)|Predator]].
*Amongst the sketches in the book not specifically drawn attention to is a small scribble of the Marvel Comics/Transformers character, [[Wikipedia:Death's Head|Death's Head]].
*"[[Wikipedia:The Far Side|The Far Side]]" is the famous one panel comic drawn by Gary Larson.

[[Category: Strong Bad DVD]]

best thing

Svelt — Mon, 11 Apr 2005 13:57:07 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ Reworded my reference - thought it sounded nicer this way.

[[Image:sbemail126.png|thumb|"Limozeen Pilot: Encounter at Groupulon 5"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #126'''

Strong Bad shows us the best thing he's ever seen, done or eaten: the quickly cancelled pilot of [[Limozeen]]: [[Limozeen: "But they're in space!"|"but they're in space!"]]

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Gary Palaroncini]], [[Larry Palaroncini]], [[Perry Palaroncini]], [[Mary Palaroncini]], [[Teeg Dougland]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Mitch Overlord]], [[Bozar]], [[Nebulon]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

'''Date:''' March 8, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:02

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' You got to ''e''-mail, just to stay alive! ''{types "strongbad_email.exe", begins reading}''

<pre>subject: What's the best...
Dear Strong Bad,
How you doin'? I have three quick questions...
1. What's the best thing you've ever seen?
2. What's the best thing you've ever done?
3. What's the best thing you've ever eaten?

Later,
Albin J. (from Maryland)</pre>

''{Strong Bad doesn't read the numbers, and after saying "seen", he immediately follows with "done, eaten." He also whispers "from, from Maryland." Then he clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm doing real real ''{types "rrll rrll"}'' well Albi. Believe it or not, I've got one answer for all three questions. And that answer is...

''{Cut to an image of a video tape labelled "Limozeen cartoon" and "Don't record over for dang's sake!!!"}''

'''SINGERS:''' VHS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only known copy of the failed pilot episode of the Limozeen Saturday morning cartoon shoooooooow!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' It only aired once at, like, 4 a.m. some forgotten Saturday. And guess who was already up and eating brown sugar straight from the box? That's right, Strong Sad. But then I got up and started watching TV. If not for my The Cheat-like VHS reflexes, it would have been as lost as four-armed Grimace. ''{clears screen}'' I'll let you guys see it, but please, no flash photography or video taping. It could damage the precious oils and heavy metals of this priceless piece of television history.

''{cut to the cartoon. It opens with "Metalmation" appearing in large block letters, followed by "presents" in cursive}''

'''SINGER:''' 
Remember those guys from that band Limozeen? 
Well, they turned their tour bus into a space machine! 
But they're still Limozeen!

'''LARRY:''' 
We're still Limozeen!

'''SINGER:''' 
But they're in space!

'''LARRY:''' 
But we're in space?!

''{now the title screen is shown: LIMOZEEN "but they're in space!" The Limozeen members appear in animated form below. Teeg walks in from stage right.}

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. You're in space!

''{one final chord of the theme song plays}''

''{cut to the Couch. Strong Bad is sitting on it, while Strong Sad is leaning on it from behind.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh-ho-ho! So classic!

'''STRONG SAD:''' But why are they in space? There's no reason for them to be in space!

'''STRONG BAD:''' On the contrary, my dear Fatson! There's ''every'' reason for them to be in space.

''{title card for "ENCOUNTER AT GROUPULON 5" by A. Chimendez appears. From there, it cuts to the Limozeen members running away from a pair of flesh-colored hands, a pair of blue hands, and two magenta tentacles}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' So, one of their main goals is to both run away from and give backstage passes to all the hot babe-liens of the galaxy.

''{the Limozeen members run into their tour spaceship}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. None of the hot alien chicks from Groupulon 5 have backstage passes to tonight's show.

'''LARRY:''' Then whose midriffs are we gonna sign?

'''GARY:''' What happened to all the passes, Teeg?

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' Galactic Radio gave them all away. To Mitch Overlord.

''{The members of Limozeen gasp, as we cut to Mitch Overlord's lair}''

'''MITCH OVERLORD:''' That's right, Limozeen! I was the one million, six hundred and eighty-five thousand, four hundred and twenty-first caller! ''{raises his claw-like right hand and opens and shuts it twice}''

''{The members of Limozeen are shown running again, this time from nothing that can be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' And sometimes the magical prankster Bozar appears and turns reality upside-down.

'''BOZAR:''' Muddle me twice, Limo-losers! How are you going to play tonight's show after I turn your instruments into Italian noodles?

''{The band is greeted with "boooos" as they attempt to play a concert with their noodle-instruments anyway. The word NOODLES! appears in lights behind the stage. Mary eats his noodles instead.}''

'''MARY:''' This is the best show ever, guys!

''{canned laughter is heard}''

'''LARRY:''' Mary, quit eatin' your drums!

''{Cut to the outside of the tour spaceship flying through space. Nebulon flies past.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' But most of all, the episode centers around the boys making sure metal stays number one throughout the galaxy.

''{Cut to spaceship interior}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. We've been knocked off the charts in the Forbidden Zone by an alternative rock band.

'''PERRY:''' But their bassist is a girl!

'''MARY:''' And the drummer's got short hair!

'''LARRY:''' And the lead singer wears glasses!

''{Cut back to the couch. Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Ow! What was that for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' For you and your kind destroying metal! Chuck Taylor-wearing, low self-esteemers...

''{Cut back to the cartoon. The band is practicing as Teeg walks up to them.}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. Our pilot episode has been cancelled.

'''LARRY, GARY, PERRY, and MARY:''' What?

'''GARY:''' Oh well. I guess I won't be needing this anymore. ''{throws his guitar offscreen}''

''{Cut to the real Larry on Strong Bad's television, who catches the real equivalent of the guitar.}''

'''LARRY:''' Oh, thanks, Space Gary! I can't believe we got cancelled! Weeeeeell, join us next time, kids! In syndication! Or maybe on DVD! ''{plays a short tune as the TV fades out. Strong Bad returns to the Lappy.}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Whattaya think, Albi? If that's not the best thing you've ever seen, done, or eaten, then may I politely ask you to gouge out your eyes, cut out your tongue, and um, have all your done ''{short pause}'' removed.

''{The Paper comes down.}

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "brown sugar" to see a box of "[[Suge Brown]]" brown sugar, with the tagline "Don't borrow from thy neighbor" and a weight of "one whole pound".
*At the end of the email, click "eaten" to see a member of Limozeen question his hair color and size:
*:'''MARY:''' How come they made me fat and have red hair?
*:'''LARRY:''' Because you're the comic relief-uh!
*:''{Mary burps very loudly}''

== Fun Facts ==
=== Explanations ===
*The fact that Limozeen's cartoon takes place in space for no good reason is likely a reference to several other cartoons which also took place in space for no reason, like [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-5297/ the Partridge Family, 2200 A.D.], [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2345/ Gilligan's Planet], and [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-7865/ Josie & the Pussycats In Outer Space], all of which had extremely short runs (usually only one season).
**The Limozeen cartoon is also likely a riff on Hanna Barbara cartoons that featured bands who solved crimes or fought villians. In addition to ''Josie'' there was ''Jabberjaw'' and ''Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids''. Teeg Dougland's repeated mantra of "I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys" is a riff on band managers in such cartoons, who were often only featured as characters for plot exposition.

=== Trivia ===
*Teeg Dougland was voiced by [[Mike Chapman]] who looks almost identical to Teeg.

*The email song could be a parody of the movie "Saw"'s logo 'How much blood would you shed to stay alive'

*Usually, a Strong Bad E-mail has the filename of sbemail###.swf. This one is sbemail126_mx.swf.
**This is most likely because it was probably made in Flash MX instead of Flash 5 which is apparently normally used by them (according to the NYU talk)

=== Remarks ===
*This email gives a good answer to Strong Bad's own question in [[different town]] when he tries to think up the Best Thing Ever, which turned out to be beef stew.
*Strong Bad's tape lacks the little tab you knock out to prevent people taping over it, a chief concern with the cartoon tape.

=== Goofs ===
*Just before Strong Bad sits down at the Lappy, you see almost his entire head, but you can't see the laces on the back of his mask; usually when they show that much of his head (e.g. in [[crazy cartoon]]) you see those laces.
*When the space-mobile is flying at supposed hyper-speed, the stars flying by in the background are streaking the wrong way.
*When we see the TV and VCR in Strong Bad's basement, the VCR shows no sign of a tape being inside it nor of any playback. (VCRs typically have some type of counter or a "play" graphic on their display.)

=== Inside References ===
*The green alien which floats by in one scene is Nebulon, as seen in [[New Boots]] and [[Main Page 1]].
*The teleplay for Limozeen's cartoon is written by [[A. Chimendez]].
*Teeg Dougland is the name of the director of the [[Moving Very Slowly]] video on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD. He is identified as the manager of the band at the NYU talk during the showing of a Limozeen coloring book 'game'.
*The [[VCR]] is still blinking from [[12:00]] and someone removed the alarm clock that [[Bubs]] duct-taped to it.
*When Space Gary throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to [[invisibility]]. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken [[Tandy 400]] and replaces it with the [[Compy 386]].
*The guitar that Space Gary tosses is the same one seen in [[Puppet Time]].
**It looks like a KE3 Kelly model guitar by Jackson
*Strong calls the author of the email Albi, which is a reference to the author of the first email, [[some kinda robot]], who was named Abdi.
*The use of "rrll rrll" is probably the latest version of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]."

=== Real-World References ===
*"Metalmation" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Filmation|Filmation]] animation studio, with the logos looking very similar. Filmation was famous for churning out cookie-cutter cartoons many of which also took place in space for no good reason.
*The repeated "band being chased" segments may be a reference to a Hanna-Barbera 70's staple of stock-footage chase scenes, which appeared most prominently in Scooby-Doo. Also, this may refer to the Beatles, who spent a good deal of "A Hard Day's Night" -- supposedly a typical day in the life of the band--running away from adoring female fans. [[Image:evil-grimace.jpg|thumb|Four-armed Grimace]]
*"Four-armed Grimace" is a reference to the purple McDonaldland character. Grimace was originally named "The Evil Grimace", and he had four arms -- so that he could hold many shakes at once.
*"On the contrary, my dear Fatson" is an adaptation of "Elementary, my dear Watson", a line often attributed to Sherlock Holmes, though he never actually used that exact phrase.
*The space logo of Limozeen is very similar to the logo of the Nintendo game series Metroid. This isn't the first Metroid reference on the site -- in fact, a Metroid code appeared in an Easter Egg in the Strong Bad Email [[invisibility]].
*The laugh track used in one scene is a typical element of older Hanna-Barbera cartoons featuring more realistic characters, intended to incite laughter in the same manner as a sitcom. It may sound dry and out of place to modern viewers.
*"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].
* Mary asking "How come they made me fat and have red hair?" draws attention to the manipulation of characters in cartoon adaptations to clearly defined sterotypical roles. In particular, Mary's question references the cartoon [http://www.tvtome.com/RealGhostbusters/ The Real Ghostbusters], where the Dan Aykroyd character (from the Ghostbusters film) was modified into an overweight redhead. This was done because the real-life actors had contract clauses that prevented likenesses of them being used.
**It may also have been done so that the animated counterparts of Aykroyd, Bill Murray, and Harold Ramis (all dark haired and of similar build in the film) could be easily told apart by kids.
**In the animated feature ''Scooby-Doo meets the Harlem Globetrotters'', one player is shown as a fat comic relief in much the same way.
* The phrase "Chuck Taylor wearin'..." refers to [[Wikipedia:Converse Shoes|Converse High Top Basketball Shoes]], designed by Chuck Taylor. "Chucks" are a signature look of Grunge, Punk, and Metal that happened after 1990.
**This is also a reference to that particular brand of shoe being popular among fans of "Alternative Rock" (or indie, or emo, etc.) that Strong Bad is so angry about. We know that Strong Sad has a fondness for these bands from his Blog.
*Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of [[Wikipedia:Mr_Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]], a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.
**This also bears a resemblance to [[Wikipedia:The Great Gazoo|the Great Gazoo]] from The Flintstones.
**He also resembles a megalomaniacal antagonist from the 90's show [[Wikipedia:Mighty Max|Mighty Max]] called Dr. Zygote, who had an oversized brain/head, alien-like features, and would construct elaborate schemes to rule/destroy humanity.
**He appears to be saying 'Muddle me twice' at the begining of his line, which is similar to Batman villain The Riddler's (in his various incarnations) catchphrase of 'riddle me this'.
*The scene at the end, where the cartoon throws the guitar to the real-life band member, pokes fun at almost every 80's cartoon that had a (semi) famous person behind it -- where the cartoon would transition/interact with the real person from off screen: Fat Albert, Alf, M.C. Hammer, Mr. T, the Harlem Globetrotters, and many others all closed the episode with the real-world people.
*The entire tape of the Limozeen cartoon includes a "VHS grain" effect, most visible during the black METALMATION intro (note how the background appears to be randomly speckled). This artifact of VHS recording results from multiple generation copies, repeated erasing/recording, and from recording in extended tape speeds. This is a different technique for VHS "authenticity" than the kind used in the [[Character Videos]], however.
*Bozar's calling Limozeen "Limo Losers" is most likely poking fun at most 80s villans who insult the heroes with similar nicknames (I.E. "Mega Moron" from the Mega man cartoons).
*The idea of a band having a cancelled pilot cartoon may have been inspired by a pilot cartoon made starring funk bassist Bootsy Collins that never aired. [http://www.newfunktimes.com/bootsy/cartoon.html See portions of it here].
* The way Limozeen runs along with dialouge closely resembles the old Scooby Doo Where are You series.

== External Links ==
* [[HR:sbemail126.html|watch "best thing"]]
* [[HR:sbemail126_mx.swf|view the Flash file for "best thing"]]
* [http://www.forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2214 forum thread re: best thing]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: Nebulon Filmography]]

radio

Svelt — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:25:20 GMT

Svelt: /* Real-World References */ Added comma.

[[Image:deadlypallor.png|thumb|Strong Sad: Shock jock?]]

'''Strong Bad Email #120'''

Strong Bad gives some advice on how to be a radio host, in various genres.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]]/[[The Deathly Pallor]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[The Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]] (easter egg), [[The Sneak]] (easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Sad's Room]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Homestar's House]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]] (easter egg)

'''Date:''' December 13, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 4:01

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{types in "strongbad_email.exe"}'' I got miles and miles of the e-mail style. Miles and miles of the e-mail style.

<pre>subject: radio
Dear Strong Bad,
My friends are radio hosts. Any chance you could give
them any pointers on what they can say/do on their show?
bowing to you
Fraser, Scotland</pre>

''{Strong Bad actually says "slash" between say/do.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh, no need to bow, Fraser. Get up. ''{reverently}'' Rise, my son. And giveth me instead, $7.50 with which to buy some buffalo chicken tenders. ''{clears the screen}'' So your "friends" are radio show hosts, huh? Well, the first rule of thumb for all radio personalities is to look absolutely nothing like how they sound. Take Ol' Greystoke for instance.

''{Cut to Strong Sad standing in his room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voice-over}'' Now here's a whiny know-it-all who sounds just like he looks.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Why thank you, Senator.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voice-over}'' Quit calling me that. Anyway, if Strong Sad was a radio host, he'd sound like this:

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{In spontaneous, radio host voice}'' Hey hey hey, it's the Deathly Pallor, coming at you on numbitty 902, WA3D FM, "The Sturge." Coming up next, we got some hot new tracks from double-O ballyhoo!

''{Strong Sad covers his mouth in horror while Strong Bad laughs.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{normal voice/frightened}'' Don't you ever make me do that again!

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So once they've got the voice/appearance mismatch working, then it all just depends on what kind of radio station they work for. Listen and loin as I run my test sentence through the various genres.

'''Voice-over:''' Strong Bad's test sentence is "The fish was delish and it made quite a dish." ''{The sentence appears on-screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' First up is public radio: smooth n' smarmy.

''{Cut to Marzipan's kitchen. A radio is sitting on the counter.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as Public Radio host}'' Today on Capitol Hill, the fish was delish, and according to U.N. secretary council members, it made quite a dish. You are listening to member-supported public radio.

''{Public Radio theme song plays. Marzipan walks in.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Dang old public radio. I never got my totebag.

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Next up is the drive time morning show. ''{A poster for "[[The am morning "CRUDE" crew|The am morning 'CRUDE' crew]]" with two Strong Bad-like hosts appears onscreen.}'' Oooh, these guys are like bad stand up comics that you can't heckle. Or jeckle. Or throw highball glasses at.

''{Cut to a clock-radio.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as morning talk show host, with sound effects in the background}'' Rise and shine, people! The fish was delish. ''{canned laughter}'' Wait for it, wait for it! ''{clowny sounds}'' And it made quite a dish.

''{Cut back from the clock-radio to show Homestar in his house with a Public Radio totebag over his head, holding a glass containing a brown liquid with ice cubes.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, squawk box! Shut it up about the fish already.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I guess that's the way ''{honk honk}'' the cookie crumbles.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hi-ball! ''{throws his glass at radio}''

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Then, there's the utter misery that is college radio. Where they apparently just let any bewildered freshman wander in to the booth and try to run a radio station.

''{Cut to a boombox containing a blank tape.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as college radio host, over a song ending and some feedback}'' Uh, that, that was "The fish was delish" and we heard... track... ''{thumbing through CD jewel cases}'' six... "It Made Quite a Dish."

''{Cut to Strong Sad's room, where he is sitting next to the boombox writing some calligraphy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{on radio}'' Um... ca... campus outreach is looking for... hang on...

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' College radio can pretty much be summed up in 5 words: 
Dead air, um, dead air.

''{Cut back to the boombox}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as college radio host}'' Okay, I am out of here for today, but um, but first up is an, um, er... an... an hour of chanting.

''{A chant plays on the boombox. Strong Sad hits the Play and Record buttons.}''

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And just in case your friends are um, in the past: here's old-timey radio.

''{Cut to 1936 style and an old-timey radio, with The Strong Bad reading in front of a microphone.}''

'''THE STRONG BAD:''' ''{as old-timey radio host}'' This week on The Fish Was Delish progrum, brought to you by Portly Washboy laundry paste, ''{Portly Washboy Fancy Laundry Paste logo appears}'' we join The Fish down at the wharfs as he closes in on the Quite a Dish gang's hideout. Stay tuned for partial excitement.

''{The [[Portly Washboy Fancy Laundry Paste|Portly Washboy]] logo appears again. It depicts a boy and a heaping jar of paste with a spoon in it.}''

'''Voice-over:''' ''{singing}'' Portly Washboy: Don't eat it like the cartoon man.

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Done and done, Fraser. Your friends should be well on their way to annoying drivers and gas station attendants the world over. Ooh! And see if you can score me some free coozies, frisbees, or bottle openers from their station. Those free giveaways: Highly flammable.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click on Strong Sad's stomach while he does the radio voice to see him wearing a T-shirt from WA3D FM "[[The Sturge]]."
*Click on "[[The Fish was Delish and it made Quite a Dish|The fish was delish, and it made quite a dish]]" to show a [[Wikipedia: Dr. Seuss|Dr. Seuss]]-style children's book of the same name. It was written by Crazy Prof. Sportsinterviews (aka [[Leomard Sportsinterviews]]), who writes most of the children's books Strong Bad mangles.
* Click on "coozies, frisbees, or bottle openers" after [[The Paper]] comes down to see them. The coozie is blue and says, "[[WSBD]] The Voice of [[Crazy Go Nuts University|CGNU]] 89.3 Several Dozen Listeners." The frisbee is white and says, "The Sturge numbitty 902 WA3D FM." The bottle opener is red and says, "Smooooooth 'n smarmy".
*After the test sentence disappears, you can still click where it was to show the children's book.
* Click on "annoying" after The Paper comes down to see/hear more of Strong Sad's new persona.
:'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, I disagree! I think it's more than just a matter of simple economics. In fact, I'd say... ''{radio host voice and mannerisms, with music}'' Oh, yeah! What's the phrase that pays that plays for days? It's numbitty-nine-oh-two, "The Sturge." Don't you touch that BLABITTABLOUGH!
:'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{confused}'' Blabittablough?
* Click on "me" after The Paper comes down to see more of old-timey Strong Bad.
:'''RADIO:''' ''{The Strong Bad}'' Stay tuned for partial excitement!
:''{Portly Washboy Laundry Paste theme song plays over radio}''
:'''THE STRONG BAD:''' ''{listening}'' Drat and double drat! It's true what they say! The rah-dio really does add four and twenty stone to one's voice!

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
* "Four-and-twenty stone" is 336 pounds (one stone = 14 pounds), though it is probably a play on the saying that "the camera adds ten pounds."
* A [[Wikipedia:Highball_glass|highball glass]] is a tall, narrow glass typically used to serve certain types of alcohol and cocktails. Homestar's glass, therefore, isn't a highball at all; it's a "Rocks Glass," which are generally short and stout.
** Homestar's glass is the same one The Cheat had on the table in [[montage]] while smoking.
===Remarks===
*The totebag on Homestar's head reads: ''PRS Public Radio Sounds "Smooth 'n Smarmy."'' This must be the totebag Marzipan's missing.
*Homestar must have his lights set to come on with the radio alarm at 7:00 am; strangely, he is already up and having a drink.
*[[Homestar's Radio|Homestar's radio]] is set to about 96.1 FM or 850 AM.
*Homestar must be a terrific athlete if he can nail a glass on a radio with a totebag over his head.

===Goofs===
*The left sleeve of Strong Sad's radio T-shirt disappears during parts of that Easter egg. If you click on him again, it reappears. (See the article image above.)
===Inside References===
*This is the second time Strong Sad has confused Strong Mad by saying something weird. The first was in [[caffeine]], after he said "parakeet."
*Strong Sad's calligraphy pen is also featured in his action figure in the Easter egg for [[action figure]], and from the [[Strong Bad Is in Jail Cartoon]].
*The [[Trivia Time]] cookie jar appears in Marzipan's kitchen.
*This is the second time we've seen the interior of [[Homestar's House]]. The first was in [[caper]], when Strong Bad and The Cheat tried to steal his Jumbles. Apparently, someone fixed his cow lamp, which is seen at the righthand side of the screen.
*Strong Sad refers to himself as "The Deathly Pallor," harking back to Coach Z's introduction of Strong Sad in the email [[impression]].
*"Progrum" is also a referance to "Strong Bad Type Interview Progrum" from [[pizzaz]]
*Right at the very end of the chanting, one can hear the first two notes of the [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] theme song, as seen in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]].
*The [[booOOMbox]] Strong Sad listens to was also seen in [[autobiography]]. However, it had no record button.

===Real-World References===
*Marzipan's reference to the totebag has to do with public radio and/or TV stations often having on-air fundraisers where they offer gifts for different levels of donations.
*Marzipan's book ''Tolstoy Story 2'' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Leo Tolstoy|Leo Tolstoy]], a famous Russian author, and also to the Disney/Pixar film ''[[Wikipedia:Toy Story 2|Toy Story 2]]''.
* Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot," sounding like intense hisses, the mic can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness."
*"[[PRS]]" is a playful combination of [http://www.pbs.org PBS], the Public Broadcasting Service, and [http://www.pri.org PRI], Public Radio International.
*The "UN Secretary Council" represents a mix between the [http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/ UN Secretary-General] and the [http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/ UN Security Council], both of which sound similar and frequently make headlines on PBS, PRI, and NPR.
*The voice-over telling the viewer what the test phrase is is a reference to game shows like "[[Wikipedia:Password (game)|Password]]," where something similar would occur so that the viewers knew what the password was.
*Judging by Strong Sad's T-shirt, "The Sturge" is short for [[Wikipedia:Sturgeon|sturgeon]], a large, rare fish and is an obvious spoof of radio stations named after animals. For example, ''[[IMDb:tt0077097|WKRP in Cincinnati]]'' had the mascot "the WKRP Carp."
*"Heckle or jeckle" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Terrytoons|Terrytoons]] cartoon [http://www.toonopedia.com/hekljekl.htm Heckle and Jeckle].
*Strong Bad calling Strong Sad "Greystoke" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tarzan|Tarzan]].
*The short theme heard while Marzipan listens to public radio is reminiscent of the theme to the National Public Radio program "All Things Considered".
*The letter that Strong Sad is writing in caligraphy is the japanese character for "yo".


== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail120.html view "radio"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail120.swf view the flash file for "radio"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Lappy 486 Emails]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Strong Sad Filmography]][[Category:Marzipan Filmography]][[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]][[Category:The Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:The Sneak Filmography]][[Category:Strong Mad Filmography]]

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Svelt — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:20:31 GMT

Svelt: /* best thing */ Added rrll rrll percussion comment to STUFF

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pokémon, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is really long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only withq the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Hom Sar Ref====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" is actually a reference to the Homsar Main Page, when the mouse is moved over the "Games" bubble. --[[User:SgtKeeling|SgtKeeling]]
*'''Decline''' It doesn't sound to me like he pronounces it "gee-ames". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

*'''Decline''' It is probably unintended by the creators. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Calvin Decline''' Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons: "Were you saying 'boo,' or 'boo-urns?'" [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 09:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' Homsar says "James," not "Gee-ames." [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' No offence, ISlayedTheKerrek, but the Homsar Main Page transcript is just one person's interpretation of what he says. When I listen to it, it could be James, but it could also be Gee-ames, too. -BlueNose

====Lil John====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" may be a reference to Lil John from Lil John and the East Side Boyz.

*'''Rewrite''' Uh huh... so HOW and WHY is it a reference to Lil John? If you can prove this, then it can be accepted. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 11:01, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Response''' I think he means how Lil' Jon says stuff like "YEE-AAAH!" [[User:The Jolly Dumple|The Jolly Dumple]] 4:17 PM, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)
**'''Response''' Well, then, the person who wrote this fun fact should have said that. Keep in mind, however, that almost every rapper in existence says stuff like that. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:42, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''', unless Jolly Dumple is right. If he is, then '''Decline'''. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' Seriously, dump any fact that relies on phrases like "might be". Especially if its about TBC referring to something obscure. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Trial Game origin====

The trial game is based upon the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]] - the trial game's [http://www.homestarrunner.com/SevenSecondTrialGame.swf Flash file] contains graphics and sounds used on the Games menu but not in the trial game.

*'''Decline.''' It's a reference to Space Invaders. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

** Ooops, yeah, I was rather vague there, wasn't I? I didn't mean the style of game, I meant the actual nuts and bolts of the thing. The 'engine', as it were. I know such recycling would be relevant if it caused a bug or something else really obvious, like the VCR in SBEmail114 "The Facts" did, but this is harmless, so I wanted a judgement on it. [[User:The Archon|The Archon]] 18:13, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
'''Decline''' It actually uses code from the games menu '''and''' Armless Invaders. But who expects them to code a new game just for an April Fools gag? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====False Advertising====

The second page claims "ACCESS TO ALL 230+ STRONG BAD EMAILS!" when there were only 127 emails at the time it was posted. This parodies how subscription sites often flagrantly misrepresent their content.

*'''INFINITELY STRONG ACCEPT-erson!!!!!!!!!''' Why in the world was this stuffed???????????--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:25, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Decline''' Because the fact is redundant? Theres already a fact explaining that the toon is a joke on pay sites. Theres also another fact pointing out that the material in this toon doesn't actually appear anywhere else on the site. ''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Accept.''' It's accurate and not obvious from the page itself. I won't miss it if it gets voted down though. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:48, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I think this was ment to be an ironic insider joke. Irony does not necessarily make a "fun" fact, but maybe it can be rewritten as an inside reference. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Accept''' Fairly obvious, but a bit of a fun fact nonetheless.[[User:GreatG|GreatG]]
*'''Strong Accept.''' This goes under the file of "not everything needs to be STUFF'd! Let's leave it to the fun facts that deserve it, guys. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:48, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Special Appearance====
Mr. Shmallow can just barely be seen in the fourth screen of the 'toon.
* '''Da Cline''' Then add him to the list of cast members. This isn't a fun fact. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005

====Whats Her Face's lack of appearance====

For whatever reason, Whats her face was shown on the 4th page, but not at all in the "trial" TGS cartoon.

* '''Decline''' Noted in the transcript, and it's hardly an interesting remark regardless of such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 07:57, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

* '''Accept''' It's certainly worth noting, and I didn't notice it the first time around. Keep it. [[User:little-man|little-man]] 14:09, 3 Apr 2005 (EST)

====Basement-to-Computer Room Ratio====

According to the "Trap Door" clip, the computer room and the basement are two different floors, even though Strong Bad is never seen going up stairs when he goes from the couch to the computer room in cartoons like [[morning routine]].

* '''Decline'''. Umm... There are several other references to this. 1. [[Arcade Game]]: "in da basement -sb", why would Strong Bad put this if they were on the same level? 2. [[strongbad_email.exe]] (All discs): The camera transition to the Bonus Stuff menu infers that the basement is downstairs. And... that's all I can think of. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 00:16, 3 Apr 2005 (BST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline''' In [[morning routine]] they might have just skipped the part where Strong Bad goes up the stairs for the sake of saving time. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*I don't have the Email DVD, so I wouldn't know. And I just thought we should point out that this is the first time we see this. I've seen Fun Facts state that it was the first instance you see something when it is obvious and probably shouldn't be pointed out. And as for the note in [[Arcade Game]], characters point out things that you can see obviously all the time, and maybe the computer room and the basement were two different rooms in the whole basement. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 10:36, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]===
====Sweating====
Mr. Shmallow sweating is a reference to old television sets where the lights required to light up the set often made the set uncomfortably hot.

*'''Weak Decline.''' I have to admit this one has had me stumped for a long time. It's the best explanation I've seen yet, but I'm not sure it's the right one. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*<strike>'''Stronger Decline.'''</strike> [EDIT:] '''Full Decline.''' Personally, I too have always wondered why he's sweating... and, who knows, maybe it ''is'' the lights—but I doubt it. There's nothing in the 'toon to even suggest the above as being more than mere speculation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline''' -- It's true that the lights of early television sets made the actors sweat a great deal. However, Mr. Shmallow is not from the 40's-50's era of television, he's from the 30's (allegedly; I'm not convinced that the Brothers Chaps can tell the difference...). [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept''' Hey, it could be true. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:22, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**But it could ''more easily'' be false. I don't think the minimum burden of proof has been met to justify including it. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Watch any of the old-timey shows and you'll see how much everyone is sweating. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw Mr. Shmallow sweat.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**The problem is that (1) they're on film, not TV, (2) nothing in the shot where he's sweating makes it look like he's under any lights, bright or otherwise, and (3) it's the only instance I can recall that a 1936-era character has sweated like this. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. 1) Being on film wouldn't change a whole lot necessarily, considering it's a low-budget-ish commercial, so, given that and the time era, it WOULD have the hot lights no matter what. 2) Would YOU want the lights visible when you're shooting? Hmm? 3) There's a first time for everything. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:37, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Stronger-est? Decline.''' Like I said below: If you can't prove it, don't post it. He could be sweating for any number of reasons. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''ULTRA SUPER DECLINE''' He isn't sweating. The moon just ate him so now he's dripping with spit from its "mouth thingy".
**But his glasses were fogging up...not to say that's from sweat, necessarily...

===[[long pants]]===
====Overlapped voice====
This is one of the few times Strong Bad has used his ability to overlap his own voice. This ability is first introduced in techno.

*'''Decline''' Uninteresting, and disqualified due to the phrase "one of the few". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:16, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''"DECLINE!"''' For the record, they're FUN facts. --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 08:21, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Homestar's Shoes, part 2====
They might not be blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet but actual shoes, according to [[New Boots]] anyway. He also refers to them as shoes in [[Everybody Knows It]], where he says, "So, I guess it's back to putting dog food in my shoes, huh?"

*'''Decline''' Wasn't this bit about Homestar's shoes already tackled and Declined? Also STUFF'd due to conversational style. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Shorter E-mail====
This email is much shorter than most recent emails, being at least half a minute shy of its predecessor.

*'''Decline''' This is unnecessary, due to the running time being evident at the top of each e-mail page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Half a minute isn't much, and even if it was, who cares? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:18, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And I'm the one who said this. -Walking Armless

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann

====Homestar Over Correction Fluid====
When Homestar appears on the Lappy's screen, he isn't covered by the correction fluid, but rather, he shows up on top of it.

*'''Weak Accept, but Move''' Like the above item, this doesn't seem so much as a Goof as a Remark - given that Homestar is acting crazy when this happens, certainly odd things would happen that aren't necessarily Goofs on the toon's creators' part. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:21, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Secone."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 04:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Its a sight gag, there isn't meant to be any kind of logic to it (in real life you wouldn't be able to appear on a computer screen just like that). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 20:06, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''accept''' When Homestar's mad, anything can happen!--[[User:mk5due|mk5dude]] 1 April 2005
*'''Decline''' My guess is that he didn't go inside the Lappy screen, but in front of it.--[[User:Bonk|Bonk]] 17:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Klowning Arkound====
The fact that "Kertified Klown Kare" has every word starting with K might be a reference to Krusty the Clown, from The Simpsons, who tends to use that letter a lot and is, obviously, a clown.

*'''Severe Decline!''' Man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth from reading it. It's just what clowns do! -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' I'm not saying anything here, but am I the only one who noticed that "Kertified Klown Kare" is basically K.K.K.? --[[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:33, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*There was actually a "K.K.K" joke like that on the Simpsons. Still doesn't make this a reference to it. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*"decline" However, on the simpsons there was the Krusty Komedy Klassic.

====Self-Made Man====
Homestar saying "I'm a long-pants man, long pants long pants" is a possible reference to [[Bubs]]' [[Character Videos|Character page]] where he says "I'm a self-made man, I am I am".

*'''Decline''' Just watched Bubs' Character Page, and the line he says sounds nothing like what Homestar says in [[long pants]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I gotta '''Accept''' this, because my keen ears detect some sort of similarity. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' What would be the point in referring to Bubs' video anyway? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It really doesn't seem like a "reference" to me. More like a "coincidence." →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It does sound similar. It also sound like a reference the Bros Chaps would make. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:28, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:10, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====2nd Homestar Crying====
This is the second time Homestar cried in an email. The first was [[crying]].

*'''Decline''' First times can be interesting. Second times, not so much. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:48, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' And how... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:50, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Unless someone can figure out a way to graph it! --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 28 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' And isn't there another "fun" fact below that was about how [[crying]] showcased the second time a character cried? --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''"Second."''' [[User:69.3.234.29|69.3.234.29]]([[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:59, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)) 22:57, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Yes there is, Donny. And I'm gonna say what someone said in their vote for the crying fun fact. The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*** An immediate disqualification is also in order for those who don't sign their votes. and '''Delete,''' by the way. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:58, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is so uninteresting. The point of funfacts isn't a place to count how many times who does what. You wouldn't see a fun fact saying that "This is the eighth time Strong Bad blames the Cheat for something in an e-mail" (made number up). I'm declining it basically on the grounds that nobody really cares. -- [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 9:51 AM 2 April 2005

====Red Screen====
When Homestar finishes going nuts, the screen turns red, like in [[Where the Crap Are We?]].
*'''Decline.''' Big deal. It's not even the same kind of red. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:17, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:29, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I actually thought of this when first saw this e-mail. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:06, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Edga Jr., Tompkins, and Ron Cumberdale...long lost triplets?====

Edga Jr. bears a striking resemblance to Tompkins and Ron Cumberdale, one of the things the The Three Keepers of Trogdor turn you into if you get one of their questions wrong.

*'''Decline.''' At least in Tompkins' case. I don't think Edga Jr. looks like Tompkins at all. I don't know about Ron Cumberdale...but I doubt it too. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:03, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Eh, they all look like generic nerds if anything. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I saw this one earlier and almost STUFF'd it myself. People are REALLY stretching to make references here, aren't they? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline.''' Although [[Edga Jr.]] does looks like a mix between [[Tompkins]] and [[Ron Cumberdale]], this is a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmm... it's kinda tough to say Cumberdale looks like anyone, seeing as how he's composed of roughly eight pixels. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
Could someone post a picture of the three of them side by side?

Done and done. Now judge for yourself. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:36, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

[[Image:edgajr.png]][[Image:tompkinteen.png]][[Image:roncumberdale.PNG]]

*'''Weak Accept''' Tompkin's face and acne + Ron Cumberdale's hair + Obscure references = Edga Jr. --Yaanu, 9:21 CST, 2 April 2005

====Clanky?====
"Clanky" is a reference to the popular video game [[Wikipedia:Ratchet & Clank|Ratchet & Clank]].

*'''Revise.''' Replace "is" with "could be". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:08, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' [[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 23:00, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' "Clanky" was just said as a mispronunciation of Clancy. It's not like Ratchet and Clank coined the word Clank anyway.
**'''Second''' But sign your vote. And I think that any fun fact that cannot be confirmed (could be, might be, its possible that) should be removed or STUFF'D till it can be confirmed. Maybe then kids wouldn't be so eager to try and make a connection to their favorite game/show/movie what have you. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Decline Second'd, Suggestion Weak Accept'd''' I agree that there are way too many of these types of "possible references" being made, but STUFFing every single one would be REALLY time-consuming and would bloat this page way more than it already is. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Well, I don't mean that every un-confirmed fact should get stuffed. But crap like this one where there is clearly no connection could and should be deleted without any fuss or voting. If they author of the fact cares that much they can stuff the fact themselves and post a defense.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' (the Decline, that is) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:29, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Strong Bad always pronounces names and places wrong, I'm positive it has nothing to do with that game. --[[User:Minteh|Minteh]] 12:02, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Sam I Am====
Homestar saying "I have long pants, I wear long pants..." is a reference to Dr Seuss's childeren's book "Green Eggs and Ham"
*''' Severe Decline and Baleted-erson''' No it's not. If the phrase was "I have long pants, Long pants I have" where the subject and the object are reversed, than it would be a refrence. But it is not.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 19:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' 1000% no. Where did you get this idea from? The fact that both have verbs in it? Oh! "Am" and "have" are both verbs with the letter "a!" That HAS to be a reference... Come on, guys... This doesn't even belong on STUFF :-( →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:49, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
**Tis why I said Balete--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:54, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''DECLINE'D!''' Totally unfounded. Go away. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:04, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And geez, you could have at least spelled "children's" correctly. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Bedroom Window====
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], but in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere, even though it should be in the shot. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 13:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Revise = Very Yes. Run-on sentences hurt my brain. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:42, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**It wasn't a run-on, but I still Decline. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**It totally was. It should have been broken into two sentences; somewhere between "Presents" and "but".
**'''Revise, accept''' It is a run-on scentence. Try:
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]. However, in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere even though it should be in the shot.
*'''Decline''' He could just be laying at the other end of the bed, thus the room would be flipped. Gah, most of the "goofs" posted aren't even genuine and this is no exception. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)

*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.

*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[crazy cartoon]]===
====Sealab 2021====
"I'm gonna get you, Eh! Steve!" is a possible reference to an episode of the cartoon "Sealab 2021" called "Waking Quinn," in which a shark yells "I'm gonna get you Stinky Pete!" about seven minutes into the episode.

*'''Weak Decline''' At first, I wanted to be sure that the episode in question aired before [[crazy cartoon]], but as it turns out, the quote isn't precise ("I'll get you, Eh! Steve!" is the actual phrase). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:06, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**I did check TVTome.com, and the episode in question DID air before "crazy cartoon". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Major Decline''' It's likely that the Bros. Chaps watch Sealab, since they did a song for it. However, this reference is a huge stretch. "I'll get you (whoever) if it's the last thing I do!" is a common cliché phrase for villains. Sealab and this email were referencing the same general phenomenon. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:40, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:22, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' Listen, people, I don't know if you've figured this out yet, but just because you hear something in a movie then on something else doesn't automatically mean it's a reference, unless the movie says something that hasn't been said before. Like, if Strong Bad says "a little bit of the old ultraviolence", That would be a reference to A Clockwork Orange since that was basically the first popular movie to say that, but what if he said a phrase that has been used for decades and just happened to be in some popular movie, that doesn't make it a reference, okay? [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Uh...that's what this page is for, EEDIOT. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005

===[[Old Characters Page]]===
====The H word====
Bubs' profile is one of the few instances that the word "hell" is used on the site, other instances being in [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] (Easter egg) and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]].
*'''Decline.''' Did you know that [[comic]] is one of the few instances that the word "<s>ass</s>" is used on the site, with the other instance being [[Hairstyle Runner]]? Well don't post a fact about it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:12, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Comment''' In [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] they say hella, not hell. --[[User:Koooo275|Kiril]] 10:30, 27 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Agree''' I never noticed that before.
*'''Comment and a decline''' The use of "hell" in the toons is more on the slang side than actual cursing. In the case of Parsnips its just referring to the fiery place of torment. So the use of "hell" isn't really worth noting. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Declardon me''' Oww, my freakin' ears! How could the Brothers Chaps stoop to such apalling vulgarity?! [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:47, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'd''' "one of the few"? tsk, tsk. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:36, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I doubt he was "offended" by the use of the word hell or anything like that, he was just noting a useless fact. Whatever the case, I decline.

===[[techno]]===
Strong Bad might have said "Oh very clever" after reading the name Silent J because it could be a reference to Jay and Silent Bob, a pair of recurring characters from [[Wikipedia:Kevin Smith|Kevin Smith's]] movies. It also may be clever because it's referring to the concept of a silent letter (for example, one would say "the word 'jalapeno' has a silent J"), and making reference to Silent Bob at the same time.

*'''Decline.''' I think the Silent Bob connection is a real stretch. The silent letter connection is much more reasonable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Revise.''' Funny, I think it's the other way around. It never occurred to me that "Silent J" would be anything but a play on "Jay and Silent Bob," but maybe that's my pop-culture-saturated brain. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:01, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The latter part doesn't work but the Silent Bob connection does. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:42, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' My brain is pretty saturated with pop-culture, too! However, it's from a time when Disco ruled and dinosaurs walked the earth! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' Jalepeño is the stretch; Silent Bob is the obviously correct one. And I haven't even watched J&SB! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:52, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Comment''' I had thought he meant the fact that "Silent J" would mean he shouldn't actually say anything at all, so he was sort of duped, and he was mockingly calling him clever. I don't know. [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 22:48, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm...no.Thats more of a stretch than the "jalepeno" part of the fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** I think this is what is meant as well. After reading an e-mail, Strong Bad almost always starts his response with "Well, [insert name]", or "......, eh [insert name]?" Since the writer is calling himself Silent J, Strong Bad is at a loss to use his name in his reply.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:38, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' FWIW, "jalapeño" does not in fact have a silent J. The j is pronounced like an h, but it's certainly not silent. - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:25, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' - but the only revision this needs is to remove the uncertainty, because it's clearly a reference to Jay and Silent Bob.

===[[Experimental Film]]===
====Calvin and the Cotton Gin====
In a Calvin and Hobbes strip, Calvin sometimes would use "The Cotton Gin" as an answer to problems he did not know, even on math tests.
*'''Weak Decline''' Since the answer was right on that test (and never right on Calvin's tests) I don't think this is the case. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
**'''Comment''' We never actually see the questions to the test (except the first, which is "Are you all going to be in my experimental film?"), so we don't know if the answer is right. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on comment''' Actually, we know the answer was wrong, because the test-taker got an A+ after selecting a ''different'' answer (specifically, "Yeah!") --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:56, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on my own comment''' Well, okay, actually, I was assuming that it was multiple-choice and that the test-taker was selecting the first of four possible answers (notice the hilight). I suppose four questions being on a different page never really occurred to me before now. Oh, well, whatever. The test-taker got an A+. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:01, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Will the commentary never cease?''' You are right! I personally don't think it has much to do with whether it's a reference or not, though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*****'''Hehe, cease. Tis a funny word.''' *watches as people give me wierd looks*... Well, its true. Cease is a funny word. Neway, I '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:57, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seems a bit of a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:45, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept.''' This reference seems fine to me. Calvin did this a lot and I think of it when seeing "cotton gin" on a test. It might be a bit stretchy though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:49, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second'''
*'''Decline.''' Theres an essay by Mike Nelson (of '''Mystery Science Theater 3000''' fame) about how Eli Whitney and the cotten gin were all kids used to learn about in school. So the cotten gin answer isn't really an original idea (or at least not one to put a specific reference on). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Decline''' I read and own many Calvin and Hobbes comic collections. In my reading, I noticed that while Calvin did use The Cotton Gin as answers, he mostly just puts down random answers to questions he didn't know the correct answer to. Other answers include "Trostsky, Lexington, 1824", and so on. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 17:27, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decwine''' This is true, but not relevant. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:50, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[pom pom]]===
====Bubs...greedy?====
When Strong Bad smashes his face into the wall, Bubs puts up a sign saying that face smachings are $5. When Pom Pom beats the everloving crap out of Strong Bad, Bubs puts up a sign saying that severe beatings are $10. Could Bubs be greedy?
*'''Decline.''' This is definitely not the only reference to Bubs' greedyness. By the point this email comes out, anyone that knows Bubs would almost expect that of him. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Third.''' And add, duh. -- [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fourth.''' Everyone knows that Bubs' is greedy. It's not just the [[pom pom]] email. Don't forget [[local news]] where they have to pay 5 bucks to wait in line. It's a joke to poke fun at already known knowledge. (I know I'm being repetitive.) [[User:Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Fifth''' A fact by a newb. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (or '''Sixth''', I guess, to follow the pattern here...) - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:26, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ('''Seventh''') We all KNOW Bubs is greedy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:37, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline-inate'''And what about him charging increasing amounts of cash for pictures with the tragic hotdog clown? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[website]]===
====Mahir Cagri reference====
Strong Bad's closing remark that the writer of the email may be big in Pakistan tomorrow might be a reference to Mahir Cagri; a Turkish citizen whose personal website was the number one personal website of 2001.
*'''Decline.''' Seems like a stretch to me. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Maybe, but theres not enough evidence. It could just be a variation on "big in France" or "big in Japan" style jokes. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DECLINORZED''' A turkish website big in America... an American website big in Pakistan. These are not similar. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:10, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Fourth Wall Breaks]]===
====Strong Bad wants a cartoon====
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own.
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place? This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to "decline" the entire idea of logging "fourth wall breaks"... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. "So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...") - Dingell

====Hello, Viewers!====
In [insert Strong Bad Email here], Strong Bad says [insert speach here], which hints that he knows he's being watched by an audiance.
*'''Decline.''' There are too many of these out there, and they're almost all boring. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' I agree. This fun fact can not be placed anywhere. Could it be that he is so self-esteemed that he believes that he will have an audience for anything he does? [[User: Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005

===[[different town]]===
====Beastie Boys====
"This next one is the fourteenth song on my forty-second album" is a paraphrase of the Beastie Boys' [http://www.beastieboys.com/] introduction to their song "Jimmy James" on their album "Check Your Head". In that song, the Beasties begin by saying, "This Next One, Is The First Song On Our New Album..."
*'''Comment''' I STUFF'd this because it seems like a big stretch to me. I'm sure the Beastie Boys aren't the only ones who have said "this next one is the first song on our new album."
*'''Decline.''' Agreed - many bands have said this and it's way too common to be attributed to any one source. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:06, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:AwesomeSauce|AwesomeSauce]] 20:53, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:50, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondinated!!!''' --[[User:blakyoshi7|blakyoshi7]] 11:58, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Two'd!''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:11, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[little questions]]===
====Monty Python and the Holy Subtitles====
The pseudo-Swedish subtitles are very (too?) similar to the opening credits of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
*'''Decline''' There is a very key difference between them. In Monty Python, the subtitles are meant to look like they're in a foreign language when they're not. In little questions, they are meant to look English, translating pseudo-English being spoken to a Swede. That's not close enough for me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:00, 14 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' Entirely different subtitle gags - they just happen to share a common language. Also, the Holy Grail subtitles are not accompanied by the original audio that the subtitles are translating (I *know* there isn't an original audio track - I'm making a point here). And one more thing, the subtitles in 'little questions' are in English, not even QUASI-psuedo-Swedish. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:07, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crying]]===
====Crying like we've done before====
This is the second time a H*R character cries, the first time being in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*'''Decline.''' Unimportant, uninteresting, unacceptable. I don't see any reason to make note of this at all. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:47, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*'''Decline.''' Not very fun or interesting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:12, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And did you know that "Homsar" is the second e-mail that Strong Bad appears in? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Seconding all the declines above. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Though I did post a similar fun fact in Homestarloween Party using the knowledge from this fact. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And [[for kids]] was the second time we see Strong Bad smile, and in [[virus]] it is the second email where a Strong Bad's computer explodes. Do you see how boring that can get? [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 21:57, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''D to the Cline''' Uh... so? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:53, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====All y'alls====
"All a y'alls" is taken from [[sb_email_22]].
*'''Decline''' A slight stretch. I don't think Strong Bad said the exact same thing, and probably has said "all a y'alls" In another toon or sbemail. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:09, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I live in Houston, and I hear "all y'all" about 749 times a day. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
**True, it's a common saying. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''' Agreed. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' Ya, and he took "Holy Crap" from email 1, and 2, and every other frickin email hes done. BORING! *screen turns blue with white "Boring!" on it*--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:59, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diclyne''' "Taken from?" Hardly. He's just using a common phrase more than once. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:55, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[New Intro]]===
The HTML filename (intro.html) does not match its SWF counterpart, named newintro.swf. intro.swf is the Flash file for the Old Intro.

*'''Accept'''. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell of; why was this STUFF'd? Oh well... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is just like the Flash MX fact below. Who cares what the file is called?[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While file naming is notable in instances where there is an intended gag (as with E-mail #100 and the fake 100th e-mail page), this one doesn't even bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:54, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second''' As Homestar said, "Boring." --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' The Brothers Chaps used a new SWF filename so they could tell the difference between it and the older intro. The HTML filename is still the same because it causes the new intro to be the default. This saves the trouble of changing all the link paths on other pages. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I read this one before it was STUFF'd. I thought it was pretty interesting, kind of. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:38, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[2 emails]]===
====Ladies' Choice Awards====
"The 2003 Ladies' Choice Awards" is most likely a reference to "The Kids' Choice Awards", which is hosted by Nickelodeon each year.

*'''Decline.''' They could be talking about something else. Maybe a '''Revise''' could also be in order; lest we forget the People's Choice Awards? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:11, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline Second'd.''' It's probably more a reference to People's Choice than Kids' Choice since the former has been around longer. In any case, this joke is obvious enough that it doesn't need explanation. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:14, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' It's a People's Choice reference...
**'''Second''' Also Critic's choice awards--[[User:Saddy Dumpington's Soolnds]] 16:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:57, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' The Kids' Choice Awards themselves are probably a reference to the People's Choice Awards anyway.

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Rewrite''' How about "This is Sickly Sam's first appearance where he does not 'die'." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:15, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline Slightly''' We can all see Sickly Sam ATTEMPTED to kill himself by burying himself alive on a Tuesday. -Walking Armless
**1936 Bubs was buried alive too, but he seemed to be OK. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:31, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[dreamail]]===
====those weird little kids====
It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

*This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Strong Decline.''' Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Responding to the previous two''' He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity ''Murder Mystery'' which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Accept/Rephrase''' There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline.''' I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; ''Village of the Damned'', ''The Ring'', ''The Shinning'' etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' A scooby doo reference would be "If it weren't for those meddling kids..."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:48, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diggity-decline''' Yeah, or pretty much every cartoon series ever made. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[old comics]] ===
====Strong Bad is an Old Man====
Strong Bad says that he appeared as a guest in the Castlefunnies comic strip, which he later notes was cancelled prior to the "dry pencil scare of '47". Since the email clearly takes place in 2004 (as noted at the end), this makes Strong Bad at least 57 years old.
*'''Accept''' [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 15:49, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' or even better '''Move'''. Excellent observation, but I think it would serve better on Strong Bad's and Homestar Runner's character biographies, stating that they must both have been born prior to 1947 according to this email. --[[User:62.252.224.13|62.252.224.13]] 16:19, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I put up this fact, and I think it's useful and "fun" as an anecdote, but it probably shouldn't be taken as a hard fact within the Homestar universe. Just to note a few contradictions that would arise if Strong Bad were in fact this old: (1) We probably wouldn't be able to have a VHS tape of Little Strong Sad performing stand-up comedy at school, (2) If the King of Town was already King in 1947, then The Cheat must have "mashed play on an extremely expensive jambox" before 1947, because the king was still a prince when said jambox-mashing occurred in sbemail 100, (3) A fiftysomething man goes trick-or-treating, and his mom helped him with his costume (Homestarloween Party)? Seems a bit strange. But anyway, I think it's worth pointing out the age factor.
*'''Comment''' I'm not too sure, I mean, the email is really just looking at it as though the character of Strong Bad was used back then(since, as just a character, the age wouldn't matter. The idea for Strong Bad's character could've been around then, but then later used in modern day times, like, for example, Popeye or Mickey Mouse, for whom age isn't an important factor.), but it's presented through Strong Bad's point of view, thus implying that he would have aged since then. Sure, one could note that "Strong Bad has been around for 58 years", but saying that Strong Bad himself is over 58 years old doesn't work for me. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline.''' I can't see any proof that the Castlefunnies actually "happed". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:47, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE.''' Some of you are reading way WAY too much into this. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:56, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Wow! Maybe old timey Homestar IS regular old Homestar...nah. Its a joke used for one e-mail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Very interesting, but it should be reworded. This isn't Strong Bad's age, it's just him showing that he knows that he's an unaging cartoon character. It's a forth wall break. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 10:48, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept and rephrase''' It is interesting, but maybe it should be rephrased into the passive, saying "If it is true, Strong Bad would be 57 years old." That, or we've caught Strong Bad making things up, and there never was a Castle Funnies.[[User:Aaronite|Aaronite]] 6:32, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, this is radiculous. Definitely not fun in any way... And probably not accurate either. It's just a joke. A one-time joke. Get over it. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:00, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Worst prize'D, Ding''' People, we have encyclopedias, we can look things up. Just because we know things about the revolutionary war, doesn't mean that we're 200 years old. We go to school, and we learn things. So there. --64.136.27.226 18:01, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Um... you should READ the fun fact before you vote for it. Sure, just because you know about the Civil War doesn't mean you're 200 years old, but what about if you FOUGHT in it? Because the "fighting in the Civil War" metaphor paralells the fact in question, not your post.
*'''Decline''' Ummm, if this was taken literally, then how old would the KoT be?! Strong Bad's a liar, and this is a one-time joke, as said many times above. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:11, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Chew on this: There's a 1936 version of Strong Bad out there, so it could be an "older" version of Strong Bad in the Castlefunnies, and not actually the present-day one. As it is, the other Castlefunnies characters look different from their present-day counterparts, and the Poopsmith actually had a different name.
*'''Decline.''' First of all, the castlefunnies was not syndicated in 1947. The strip is in color, and it's only one line long, not half a page! The poopsmith talking in commas is a clear reference to woodstock in the Peanuts strip, who didn't even exist until the late 1960s. And the font used for the title "The Castlefunnies" looks much too modern. When Strongbad talks about the fact that the dry pencil scare of '47 only lasted three days, what he's saying (assuming he's not just making up the pencil scare just to be sarcastic) is that there was NO pencil scare at the time that they started producing the castlefunny pencil moistener (whenever that happened to be--looking at the comic strip style, I'd guess in the 60s at the earliest, though possibly as recent as modern day). --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' Just needs something like "If what Strong Bad says is true...".

====The Strong Mad Ate Pasta Salad With Homestar's Spoon Controversy of Aught-Five====
The spoon in Strong Mad's easter egg is the one Homestar uses as "Colonel" of the Homestarmy.

*'''Decline.''' Need we bring up the ketchup example? Too general. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:05, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd!''' Hmmm, is ''anyone'' getting the picture that TBC reuse things all the time? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Apparently not if the STUFF'D fact below is any indication (oh, and '''second'''). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' This one IS too general... (however, the one below is not) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' Holy crap! This cartoon is the 192nd time Strong Bad's head appears. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:11, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Honestly!''' A word to the administrators: I move that these copy-and-paste Fun Facts be DELETED immediately. Do I have a second to this motion?
** I move that you SIGN your vote. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:40, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second Kerrek's Motion''' People these days are getting sloppy with vote signage. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:32, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[best thing]] ===
==== Rudiments ====
"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

*'''Decline''' This is more likely a variation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]." Also, percussion stickings are written exclusively in caps; I think this reference would be more believable if the line appeared as "RRLL RRLL" in the e-mail. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

*'''Revise and Accept.''' The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
::--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
***What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*****C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
******Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*******'''Decline.''' Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
* Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***"Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in [[monster truck]], it doesn't show up in their [[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards]], or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in [[haircut]] or [[flashback]] (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides [[Puppet Time]]). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** I like how you added in "as usual", as if we've had a million arguments before when in fact I do believe this is the closest thing to an argument I've had here (and if it isn't, its the first one I've had with you. The fact is that if the guitar had been a cartoon prop people would've jumped on it screaming "TBC re-use things all the time". The guitar was not central to joke. It could have been any guitar that was thrown. Therefore, its just another prop. Second, one thing you said is that this fact is valid because some viewers might not have noticed the guitar's re-usage. The re-use is even less important if its been pointed out elsewhere on the site (hey, lets mention that Homsar started out in the e-mail "Homsar" everytime he appears). ITS. JUST. A. PROP. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***It doesn't matter how much you capitalize it or put periods after every word, it doesn't make it more true or the guitar less noticeable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*<s>'''Accept''' It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)</s>
**After reading all the arguments, I am changing my vote to a '''Decline'''. Animated or not, it is stiull just a prop and is just as unimportant. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I found this fact interesting. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Y'alls can argue all you want, but I think the fact is good enough to be mentioned. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:17, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd.''' Donny is being argumentative, as he usually is. The majority so far is ruling, so get used to it. Oh, and... if you want it to be possessive, it's just ITS, but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's IT apostrophe S. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:00, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cancelled after first episode====
There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:
:'''You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961'''
:'''Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969'''
:'''Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979'''
:'''South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993'''
:'''Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000'''
Of the five, '''Turn-on''', ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "'''Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In'''," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

*'''"SEVERE DECLINE!"''' (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG ACCEPT!!''' I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "'''montage'''". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --[[User:s t i n k o m a n K|s t i n k o m a n K]]
** Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. '''DECLINE''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a '''second''' on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
** The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Point One''' This has been mentioned about other single-episode shows already. '''Point Two''' Nobody wants to read about failure shows on a site about a successful web cartoon.
*'''Major Revision then Accept''' Only keep Turn-On, because, like the Limozeen cartoon, it didn't even make it through the pilot episode. Oh, and '''Point Three''' Sign your vote.--[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:43, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

====Space Gary & Facegary====
"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, [http://www.jamesweb.co.uk/index.php?jw=facegary1 Facegary].
* '''Decline''' Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**Second
**Third - JZ
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (What is it with the constant claims, based on the most tenuous of similarities, that something is "almost certainly" a reference to some obscure webtoon or other phenomenon? I think some people need to review the definition of "certainly"...) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Parappa the Noodle ====
Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaRappa_the_Rapper_2 Parappa the Rapper 2]".
* '''Decline''' Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second'''; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played ''Parappa'', but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --[[User:blackbelt|blackbelt]] 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
*Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. '''DECLINE.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' Explain why it could be a reference. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**In Parappa the Rapper 2, a group of people are turning anything and everything into noodles.

====They Might Be Giants reference?====
Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to [http://www.tmbg.com They Might Be Giants'] John Flansborgh.
*'''Decline.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' And it's '''Flansburgh''' not "Flansborgh". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Neutral''' I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
*'''Decline.''' The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE''' TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
** Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Flash MX====
This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.
*'''Comment''' I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --[[User:67.177.52.133]] 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, '''Decline'''. -- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava]]
*'''Decline''' Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Revise, accept''' As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:

The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.

:Signed: [[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**'''Comment.''' While "newintro" had a good reason for the different filename, this doesn't, so, '''Decline'''(unless sbemail126.swf gives you something different, in which case, '''Accept'''). --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

*'''Decline.''' This rambles and makes no sense. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
* '''Revise, Accept''' Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second t3h second'''--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I thought that was the joke. [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I like this rewrite. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Alternate Rewrite''' Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
*'''Decline''' While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
** '''Second''' Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* '''Rewrite, Accept''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

*'''Accept''' I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' They're similar, but definitely not the same. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:13, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''"STRONG ACCEPT!"''' Good eye, good eye! --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Even if it does look the same, it is worth noting that the claw is reappearing. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Guy With a Metal Jaw ====
With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in [[Wikipedia:Masters_of_the_Universe|the He-Man tv show]], another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.
:Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
:Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
:Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
::Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
:Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)

*'''Revise''' Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Also remove "etc.. etc." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This seems really vauge. A lot of villains could look like that. The "Or's" say enough.
*'''Decline''' Everyone should be able to recognise instantly that the villian is your generic 80s cartoon villian before being told in a 'fun' fact.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== See you in syndication ====
Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like ''Clerks'' or ''Family Guy'' which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

*'''Decline''' It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second'''
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:39, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It actually happened the opposite way with ''Clerks'': It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== The Beatles ====
The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).
*'''Decline''' The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show ====
Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in [[montage]], but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).
*'''Decline''' I really don't see why. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Move''' It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the [[Inside Jokes]] page (where it seems like it would most belong). --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline''' It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Background Goof ====
When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

*'''Comment:''' I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Move, then Accept''' Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Babylon 5 ====
"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold is in question)

*'''Accept:''' Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline:''' it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.[[User:Keab42|Keab42]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Sergeant Marshie]] ===
==== Marshie's Initial ====
His first initial is 'M'.
*'''Decline'''
**'''Second.''' But sign your vote →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:33, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's great kid. You want a cookie everytime you point out the obvious?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 16:00, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third, fourth...'''I think you get the drift. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:58, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Shouldn't it just be "His initial is 'M'"? We don't know that he's got any others. Also, fun fact already noted in the [[Cheat Commandos...O's]] Fun Facts. So '''Decline'''. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]]
**'''NOTE''': I just checked the Cheat Commandos...O's Fun Facts again, and it is only his first initial. Oh, the (slight) embarrassment. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 20:03, 27 March 2005 (BST)
*'''Decline''' As it is, this item is mind-numbingly obvious - but even if you're referring to the easter egg in the Cheat Commandos...O's toon, it's also already noted on that page as well. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:23, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. It's major obvious that his first initial is "M", because his first name is Marshie. He doesn't have "Sergant" in his name. DO THE MATH! --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:13, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And this is news, how? Strong Bad's first initial is S, but I don't see that anywhere. Really.
*'''ULTRA OMEGA SUPER SEVERE HYPER ALPHA DECLINE!'''-What is this crap?!---[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]
*'''Decline''' Wow, I gotta say this is fan-FREAKING-tastic! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 05:19, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Double Decline!''' What? 'M'arshie's initial is M? Wow! Have you noticed the Strong Bad pill in the new games menu has SB on it? Come on!! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:02, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' OK, enough with the sarcasm already - in case you hadn't figured it out, this item is in reference to the easter egg at the end, the one that shows the Marshie action figure. The box says "His first initial is 'M' - that's where this comes from. Someone's not being totally dense; it's from an easter egg and therefore, someone felt it was mentionable... even though the quote itself points out something undeniably obvious. Cut the guy a little slack (whoever he is)... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

=== [[colonization]] ===
==== Until next week... ====
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[dragon]] ===
==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====
The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".
*'''Weak decline.''' Doubtful. "appears to be very similar." So you're not sure whether or not it's similar? I think that TBC just wrote their own stuff. Even if it appears to be similar, that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the creation of the the song. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:23, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe second'''Severe seconding a weak decline,--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====
"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis
*'''Severe decline.''' Just because something sounds like something else doesn't make it a reference. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:41, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe Second''' --[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:28, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Ticked-off Third''' -- I just think it's stupid. That's all.
*'''ULTIMATE DECLINE'''. It was just three words toghether from three different emails. Why was ths STUFF'D? --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''a-digga-diggga-digga-DELETE!''' This is stupid. It's not why was this STUFF'd- why was it even put on the board in the first place. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:53, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Definitely Decline.''' -[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
*I choose you, '''Declinachu!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.
* '''Decline.''' Didn't consider this a "fun" fact at all... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. It was well observed, but as a 'second incidence' it isn't much fun. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 13:37, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."
* '''Weak Decline.''' Felt this was a bit of a stretch, though I did wonder if it was a reference myself. Still, "Rosebud" is the last dying whisper of Citizen Kane, while Rose-face is anything BUT whispered. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Too much of a stretch, IMO. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:14, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Just because two words sound the same does not mean they are connected. He doesn't even say it in the way that rosebud is used in Citizen Cane. --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.
*'''Decline.''' I don't think that they were purposefully referencing the Pizzaz Pizza oven. The two words are just spelled similarly. (Also, there was a restaurant where I live called "Pizza Pizzazz," but you don't see me putting that down as a fun fact) :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 10:02, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong decline.''' I don't think that this this really is a "fun fact." It's barely a fact. It's incidental at best. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:50, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''SUPER DECLINE'''. Why it was a fun fact probably has to with some people make stuff y'know, with words from bigger words. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:19, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or, it could be... '''Pizza'''z, which I think is pretty obvious. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====
At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline.''' Good thinking, but this is definitely not a reference. This isn't the first time this stage has been shown (See [[A Decemberween Pageant]]) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 16:29, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**I just watched ADP, and the part of the stage in question is not visible. Perhaps I should look in the email where the stage appears (I don't remember the name right now). [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
***In the very first scene after marzipan says "Homestar, I don't think those are your lines." That's when they show the whole stage.
**** Hmmm...how did I miss that? [[User:24.58.44.43|24.58.44.43]] 19:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Just because it's already shown doesn't mean it's not a reference. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:17, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===
In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''''Note:''' this submission created the section on STUFF, but named it incorrectly as "[[Where The Cheat Is At?]]". This is referenced at least once in the votes below.''

*'''Decline and also, who cares?!''' And sometimes Homestar's shirt is a lighter shade of blah blah blah. Fun facts are meant to be FUN, okay? You didn't even get the name of the cartoon right! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' - yeah, it's a nice detail, but not really all that worth mentioning; too minor. (And Donny, nothing personal, but that was pretty harsh, man. Might want to tone down before we hurt someone's feelings...) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:02, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd''' →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:58, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)
** I'll tone you down my lord! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment'''Just to give you a head's up, Donny, those were the ''rudest'' words I have ever heard. Realize that this is a cartoon, ''' '' PLEASE '' '''. If you ever spoke like that in the real world, you would get your butt kicked.
***'''Comment''' Uh-huhhhh...1) Sign your post. 2) Scroll up. People are saying far ruder things than I did, including the person who told me to "tone it down". 3) I was blunt not rude, boo hoo. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****To be frank, what I said didn't really seem rude to me. I'm not particularly sure how you can say that my politely asking you to tone down is far ruder than coming up to somebody's face and practically calling them an idiot. (Unless you mean something completely unrelated?...) Also, being ''harsh'' to somebody's face like that IS generally a rude thing. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:41, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** To be frank, I think that saying "Well this is a stupid fun fact" and then proceeding to rip apart the contributor with a SB quote is pretty rude. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''EXTREME DECLINE!!!''' This is a pathetic fun fact. That's all there is to it.--[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 13:54, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I have no problem with this one. Remove the last sentence, and you're good to go. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[secret recipes]]===
====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' If he always pronounced 'n's and 'm's, wouldn't he have said "pimecome"? Just saying... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:40, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' And Homestar also pronounces R's as W's, but we're not putting that one in the funfacts either, are we? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:10, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====
Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

*'''Decline.''' Bratslava isn't a country, nor is it even spelled right! The correct spelling is Bratislava, which is the capital of Slovakia. The only one who could even really be considered a reference is Bumdumborge, and even that's a stretch. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** '''Second''' The Luxembourg reference is TOO obvious, and the "Bratslavia" too wrong. The former Yugoslavia would work better, but it's still pretty obvious that SB was just making up country-like names off the top of his head (similar to Dortugal and Prance.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:23, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
** Yeah, but at least Dortugal and Prance ARE real country names, only with the first letter changed. These ones are just totally random, and not correlating to anything, so... '''Second'''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:27, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
*Maybe that's why he said it was an obvious reference. And, if anyone cares to know, someone revised this fact, so this STUFF really isn't necessary. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:27, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**...and I wrote this one. But give me a break! I'm not from Europe, and I was wrong. Get off my back. Like I said, It's been changed. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Why the hell do you think nobody's commented on this since February 15? I know it was changed. We all know it was changed. Why do you think I STUFFed it in the first place? In a way it was to get it to be changed! Word to the wise, acekirby13, next time you try to post a fun fact, make sure it's as factual as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll stand up in a court of HR Wiki law, but at least you won't be laid to ridicule as much as you were here. And if you're this sensitive to criticism, then don't post here at all. Nobody likes a crybaby! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:22, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Calm down, Kerrek! Nobody likes a smartass either. [[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:23, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
*****Maybe not, but he shouldn't have complained about my STUFFing his fact.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 06:39, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
******Who's complaining? I simply stated why my fact was so dam wrong. Your face doesn't have to turn the color of the Reddest Raddish because of that. And, at least I admitted to such a terrible mistake. I'm sure that more than a couple of users haven't stood up and admitted to their STUFFed facts. ...anyway, its over and done, so lets drop it, or this could turn into a pretty bad flame war. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:12, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*******Whatever, bro. Just be careful what you post in the future, and don't threaten me again. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:26, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===
==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

*'''DECLINE'''-- It's just weird. Unsettling.
**Whats unsettling about it?--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:03, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Decline'''-- I don't find this item to be necessary at all. If anything, it's the *only* time, because they try to do things different with the credits with each new toon. This is, at best, a running gag, and shouldn't be placed on this toon's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:15, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''¡Second!''' Just like how I try to type 'Declined' different every time.

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===
==== Coincedincem ====
According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

*'''Decline.''' TBC reuse flash items a lot! So, I guess it's not a coincedincem. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:35, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:31, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
***'''Third.''' The movies themselves take place in 1936, which was a long time ago, coincedemtally.
****'''FOURTH'D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:34, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Keep.''' It's poorly worded, for sure, but I never noticed it before and think it's interesting enought to keep. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:25, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Fifth'D!''' It Sucks! TBC recycle stuff so their brains don't get screwed!

=== [[other days]] ===
==== Tappity Tappity ====
When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

* Although it was deleted as "not fun", I'm not too sure that it deserves it. Your opinions? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:03, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad often clears the screen by just typing more, analogous to a 'soft return' onto the next page. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:39, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Who cares? Fun facts are supposed to be, well, FUN. They're not about picking out every insignifcant detail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Yeah its a good fun fact? all ya'lls are too picky [[User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*'''Accept.''' Seems to me like a good fact. It's definitely a glitch if TBC usually use the 'enter' noise. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
**You know Evin290, TBC mock fans who use logic like that (Homestar does NOT have a stupid uncle egg). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*** Are you taking a H*R line way too seriously in order to convince people not to take a H*R way too seriously...? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:58, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
**** '''Comment.''' I'm just saying that it's probably worth having because it's out of the norm. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:19, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline!''' On most of my computers I use, it's usually the SPACE BAR that sounds different, not the return/enter key. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:28, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' On my computer, both sound different. Anyway, I think its good enough to be in there. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''', If we acepted this than we'd have to accept all the other fun facts that mentioned a slight, often unimportant, difference. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' That's a good point. Too bad you didn't sign your post. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**Did now --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Ok then. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second.''' At best, this should be called a goof. However, people who enjoy reading goofs would probably scorn this level of pickiness (maybe. I don't care for what people call goofs here personally...)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:15, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Pizzle the Nizzle ====
The line "positate the negative" refers to the song Accentuate the Positive, by Johnny Mercer.

*'''Decline.''' Both the Johnny Mercer song and strongbad's line refer to evangilical preaching in general. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:41, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[radio]] ===
====German Radio? ====
Old-timey Strong Bad's pronunciation of radio (rah-dio) is actually the German pronunciation of the word.

*'''Declined.''' I think this is purely co-incidental. I think TSB is pronouncing the word in an "old-timey" way (e.g. newspapper rather than newspaper in [[That a Ghost]]). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:44, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's also the Korean, spanish, italian, etc pronunciation of "radio." For whatever reason, the word radio has been kept as something similar to "rah-di-o" in most languages. Is it funny that americans say "cul-de-sac" almost like the french do?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:14, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondeth''' A coincident. It's meant to be old-timey, like "Four-and-twenty". (Which bears resemblance to, for example, Dutch.) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' It may be co-incidental, but I didn't know that and I think it's interesting enought to keep. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.
*'''Neutral''' What do you guys think?
*'''Accept''' It sounds like a good fact. I mean I didn't know it. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Second!''' -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 08:24, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Interesting and certainly not common knowledge. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' Considering TBC live east of the Mississippi, they probably used it because it just sounded better to them than using a "K". [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]]
*'''Weak Accept''' Not really anything groundbreaking, but the standard for naming radio station call signs based on relation to the Mississippi River isn't necessarily common knowledge. However, like the above voter said, it could just be coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:30, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:59, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept.''' Another poorly-worded fun fact. Add info about TBC's geography for good measure. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:30, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Terminally Confused''' Free Country USA was never a place, so trying to map out its probable location is redundant. -Walking Armless
*'''Accept''' I never knew that. I like it. --[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 15:57, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It's kind of a cool fact, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or not. --[[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*<s>'''Accept...almost''' It's probably true...I think. I live in New England, where the radio stations are W..., but when I took a trip to California, the radio stations were K..., but I need more proof that the Mississippi River determines it. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:46, 2 Mar 2005 (MST) </s>
*'''Accept!''' There's some border between K and W, according to the FCC. If if it was ZSBD, Free Country USA would not be in any plausible place in the States. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:31, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Here's a [http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm document] that explains K/W radio call letters. Note that there are exceptions to the general rule (e.g. WBAP in Dallas, KDKA in Pittsburgh). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:26, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Accept now''' Thank's tomstiff, thats just the proof i needed. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' Heck, I *LIVE* in Pittsburgh, and I completely forgot about KDKA... Still, it's nice to see that explained. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Comment''' I wonder if WSBD is a play on Atlanta radio station WSB. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:36, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
** Uh... if anything, it's just a joke on '''S'''trong '''B'''a'''D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' I'm not sure if it's true because I didn't research it at all but it is interesting and not common knowlage --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*'''Neutral.''' I'm not from the USA, so I wouldn't know if it's true. If it is, then I '''Accept.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:26, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====WSBD in Ohio====
There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

*'''<s>Possible</s> Decline''' This might not be a fact at all, since the only positive reference I could find that listed a WSBD in Cleveland is [http://www.cisworldservices.org/newsarticles/news_wsbdradio1.html this page], which is likely a mistake by the author of the CIS webpage, as there is a [http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wspd&x=0&y=0&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid= WSPD] radio station in Toledo, Ohio with a newsradio format. Could anyone (possibly from Ohio) positively confirm or deny this? <s>(Note: Fun fact not removed from page)</s> --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:01, 7 Mar 2005 (MST) A bit of fact-checking on the [http://www.fcc.gov/ FCC website] has not turned up any licensing information for the WSBD call-sign, which pretty much indicates that no station exists with those call letters. It's technically possible that a radio station WSBD may have existed at one time, but not anymore. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 10:32, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seconding above. Might this reference be a play on Atlanta radio station WSB? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23;40, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' It's definetely a play on Strong Bad. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[origins]]===
====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but its a possible reference.

====Señor & Mr.Bland====
Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

===[[funny]]===
====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
====Poopsmith====
The Poopsmith never blinks.
*'''Decline''' Do I really need to say why? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' Who cares if he never blinks? [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]]
***'''Third''' I don't think ANY character in H*R blinks! -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Comment''' Actually Homestar blinks, ''quite'' frequently, I might add. [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Okay, okay. MOST characters don't blink, unless I'm missing something giant here. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:54, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' If you're gonna put something about a character in a cartoon and not the cartoon itself, I strongly suggest putting it on [[The Poopsmith]] character page.

====Wall Markings====
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]]===
==== Buck Privates ====
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.

*'''Decline.''' I've never seen ''Buck Privates'' but unless there's a scene with Lou under a Heavy Lourde type weight and Bud under a sack of potatoes this sure seems like a stretch to me -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2004
**'''Second''' Indeed. There are more cartoons/movies where that happens. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:33, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]]===
==== Starbucks ====
Double Double Whippless Mochaccino Half Caf is a Coffee drink from Starbucks. However, it is actually called a Venti Half-caf frapaccino w/o whipped cream (not all Starbucks serve this). Double Double refers to a coffee from Tim Hortons with two creams and two sugars.

*'''Decline.''' But wait. If the drink is actually called something else then it's *not* available. Da Bros are just making fun of Starbucks, not refering to a real drink. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline.''' Not only is this not the exact name of a Starbucks drink, the person who posted this fact also had the drink wrong; a Mochaccino is not the same as a Frappuccino or even a Mocha Frappuccino, and "double double" refers to the amount of espresso in the drink, not the size of the drink (so we don't know it's Venti).
**A "Double Double" refers to a coffie having 2 creams and 2 sugars. But still '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 06:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Yes, if you're drinking regular coffee. A Mochaccino is an espresso-based drink. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 07:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====The Intercom====
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Soofa Group?====
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon.
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

*'''Decline''' Its not the first time a character was created based on a throwaway gag (Homsar for instance).
*'''Accept''', since it's a fairly interesting point.
*'''Accept''' This has been confirmed by TBC as the original source of the name "Stinkoman". I think this is significant enough to note here as well as in "japanese cartoon". - [[User:tim333|tim333]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Modify, accept.''' Say that this is the first instance of the name Stinkoman. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**Second. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:03, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' - GOOD example of forward referencing. Much unlike that "Eh! Steve" one at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:34, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Fairly obvious and already noted on the Stinkoman page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I don't see any problem with two pages cross-referencing each other. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====
The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

*I would have to say '''Decline''' to both of those. [[The_Brothers_Chaps|TBC]] probably have just been reusing cool ideas. Not any relation to future.
**Second that.
**'''Second''' --[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 09:49, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I doubt that Strong Bad salting his foot was in anyway foreshadowing another e-mail. Especially if we don't know if they had recieved the interview e-mail at that point.
**'''Second''' Plus both of these are already on the pages for the japanese cartoon and island emails
**'''Second''', but you guys need to sign your votes or they don't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:24, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Seems perfectly reasonable to me. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

=== [[2 years]] ===
==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 09:04, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Oh, like: "E. Fullmer's name could be Ed Fullmer, a play on Elmer Fudd" or "E. Fullmer's name could be Evan Fullmer, a disc jockey in Georgia I know, and the brothers chaps are from Georgia." --24.21.86.243 00:19, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**TBC claim not to have come up with any of the content in the e-mails Strong Bad answers, so the name is probably not a joke. Maybe someone who has experience with the LDS church could comment on whether it's common for an elder to sign in that fashion.--[[User:216.231.36.102|216.231.36.102]] 09:35, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Don't suppose this matters much now, since it's verified that he was a Mormon missionary, but for the record no, it's not common at all. I'm a Mormon, and I've served a mission myself, and I've never seen "Elder" abbreviated like that (before). But apparently there's always a first time... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 02:19, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
****In fact, actually, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. Not only is "Elder" in my experience never abbreviated to "E.", but it wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to himself as "Elder Fullmer" in the first place. If he's sending an e-mail saying he's going to be gone for two years and unable to access the web, that means he hasn't started his mission yet, and he wouldn't be calling himself "Elder Fullmer" yet. Okay, I understand someone says this guy is a friend of his coworker and he was indeed a soon-to-be Mormon missionary, fine, but...did his first name, by any chance, start with E? Because that would still make a lot more sense than the "E." standing for Elder when Elder isn't abbreviated that way and he wouldn't be calling himself Elder yet anyway. In fact, the personal testimonial notwithstanding, this rings false for me on enough levels I'm going to have to vote '''Decline''' on this one unless some more direct evidence arises. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 16:07, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:gwr2004|gwr2004]] 11:15, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*Didn't someone say they actually knew E. Fullmer, who is indeed a mormon missionary? Wait... [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=7029&highlight=#7029 yes]. Of course, that may not necessarily mean anything, but I still say '''accept''' either way. - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
:I'm going to have to '''Accept'''. Because it's true! And 216.231.36.102, it's not terribly common for missionaries to sign things that way, but I think he did it so people could get the joke without being so blatant as to write out Elder. I do know that H*R is saturatingly popular at both USU and BYU, so there would be plenty of people to get the joke. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:16, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept'''. Click on the link above - this is a verified fact. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:23, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept''' -- I didn't know that. Definately an interesting tidbit and should be accepted as long as there is enough supporting evidence to merit the assumption. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' I think this should be reworded, because it has been verified. Something like "E. Fullmer is a Mormon missionary, which explains why he will be absent for the next two years," or something. [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
**'''Decline the above revise, accept the original''' The original is a plausible enough explanation, whether it's true or not (and a lot of fun facts are based on more sketchy information). However, I would decline the above revise because someone posting on a message board about 'the best friend of my coworker' is not the same as verification. I should know... my brother's boss's former roommate was the guy whose stomach exploded because he mixed Pop Rocks and Coke. --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 00:29, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====
According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

* '''Decline''' He could simply be there, or visiting. You don't have to belong to a country to visit it, or even to reside in it. (Jim Carrey wasnt amercan until recently but he lived there for years).--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*** Did now--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If that was the case, the sign would read "Population: Tire, Bundt Cake Pan, Coach Z, and Strong Sad." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:59, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**Like, totally '''Second''', dude! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Although I think this fact is wrong, I just want to point out that the population on the tire isn't entire accurate. Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat aren't listed, and we all know they're in there. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:44, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Might I quote the national anthem? "The people are so great, but really there's only me, and that means I'm so great, and also there's the Cheat." --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:54, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====A grill, a doghouse, a trash can, an igloo and the TARDIS====
The spacious interior of The Cheat's house may be a reference to Snoopy's house from the Peanuts comics. It also looked small and ordinary on the outside, but was very large and luxurious on the inside, housing, among other things, his prized Van Gogh. It might also be a reference to Oscar the Grouch's trash can (from Sesame Street), which is also small on the outside, but contains a swimming pool and a number of other facilities within. It could also be a reference to the Nickelodeon show Doug, where his smart dog's (Porkchop) igloo is WAY roomier than it looked. Or even the TARDIS from Dr Who...

*'''Neutral''' I doubt its a reference to any those, but for some reason, I don't want to decline it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:03, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak decline - needs severe rewrite''' This is actually a combination of several entries from that page that should have been combined in a single fact, so I did. The trouble is, there are way too many references noted here. The "roomier than it looks" gag isn't anything new, and severe rewrite on this is needed in order for this to be acceptable. At the very least, the Oscar and TARDIS references need to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:53, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Alls I know is that Snoopy's house was huge on the inside. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 09:00, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's a reference to this... and a reference to that... and a reference to this other thing... and a reference to something else... make up your mind! I hate "facts" like this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
**'''Comment.''' Actually you CAN see how far the Grabbo Arm goes off screen. just watch the .swf file. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally. This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste. These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]

==== Slippers ====
*Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Blade man ====
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Wizard of Oz ====
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless

==== Beat It ====
Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Alms for the pudgy, paintbrush ringing, and '''Accept''' the rest. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Big Time! But with edit: "The piano nightshirt Homestar wears is the same as Michael Jackson's in the "Beat It" music video." Not sure how you'd call this speculation - it's quite specific, and funny as hell, more so than Weird Al wearing it in "Eat It". And racerx, what exactly are you getting at here?--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 13:53, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)
** What racerx is getting at, BTW, is that User:24.21.86.243 added a whole bunch of Fun Facts under one heading and Declined them all with one comment. Someone later came in and split them, putting User:IP's Decline in all of them (which is why all of the Fun Facts near this one have the same Decline comment, even where inappropriate). Apparently, racerx responded to all of them but didn't get his response split in quite the way he'd intended (he meant to decline two of the facts and accept the rest) - and I'm surprised I'm just now noticing. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

I went ahead and added this, combined with the existing not-as-fun fact about the 'anatomically incorrect' keyboard. After finding and watching the video, this is even stronger evidence, as MJ's t-shirt is incorrect in exactly the same way. --[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:55, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd. Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes. Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important? Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left? He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon. It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it. Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction: I made a mistake. The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]] Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment:''' I don't think the Brothers Chaps know this. See [[crying]]. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* Decline Janik
*'''Decline''' There are people named ''State Troopers''. Sheesh, all of this rhyming stuff. Ok, Homestar Runner rhymes with Domepar Stunner. So it's a reference to that tv show? Come on, that kind of thing annoys me! [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===
====Sterrance====
Sterrance's feet look remarkably like the feet of Mickey Mouse

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Lappy Startup Screen ====
The Lappy's boot-up process-- including the sound, the icon, and the logo text-- is very reminiscent of that of [http://www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/macos/macos80/macos80/startupshutdown Mac OS 8].　--[[User:codeman38|codeman38]] 21:51, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks, this item had no clear consensus with 2 Decline votes, 2 Rewrite votes, and a Move vote. The discussion for this item is moved to the [[Talk:Lappy 486]] page --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Price is Right... Again ====
The way Strong Bad is describing Lappy could be a nod to the game show ''The Price Is Right''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a rewritten version of this item was Accepted by a very small margin. It appears in its rewritten form on the page for [[animal]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Weird laptop ====
After some measuring, I figured that the Lappy 486 has the aspect ratio of 1.67:1. A normal display would have the aspect ratio of 1.3:1 and a widescreen display has the aspect ratio of 1.85:1. So the Lappy must have a resolution of around 400x240. More or less. Was there such a display back then? (Yeah, I know this is suppose to be on the Lappy page, but I want to confirm this information and I didn't want to put it there until I made sure.)

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Lappy 486]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.
*'''Accepterific''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:07, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====
When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

*'''Accept''': Looks good to go
*Good to go my eye. '''Decline''', '''''unless''''' you can '''Revise''' this to mention what Atari game it is. You've got plenty of time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:22, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**[http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600 Use this.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:53, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Weak Decline''' -- Basically, this is the same sound made when you roll over the 'store' button on [[Main Page 13]], as well. Even so, there doesn't seem to be any indication in the wiki page for that what game (or games) this sound could have been taken from. Personally, it doesn't seem like something worth spending a whole lot of time on researching. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 01:45, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' If you don't remember which one it was, why make it a fun fact? →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I like that music, and it could be in a PBTC voice. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:46, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Der Klein''' Find out what the game is, and maybe this'll work. Until then, don't waste our time, especially if you only THINK it's a reference. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[virus]] ===
====Real virus?====
Since the curret Frequently Asked Questions page says every email but 'mile' is real, it's safe to assume someone actually tried to crash Compy 386 by sending a virus to Strong Bad.

*'''Decline''' I've got a real problem with this one. The e-mail could have just been corrupted or broken in transit, or, like 'fhqwhgads', it could have been someone just mashing on the keyboard. Also, since Compy 386 isn't actually a real computer, someone couldn't actually "crash" it by sending a virus to Strong Bad. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:20, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's probably just a nonsense email they recieved like the Fhqwhgads. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:45, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' As written anyway. Revise as "someone tried to crash TBC's computer by sending a virus to strongbad@homestarrunner.com." At least, I *think* that's what he meant! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Monkey D-Cline''' It's not safe to assume ANYthing, naive one. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:29, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinification.''' I think TBC did get the E-mail. But I think they just made that virus up for the strong bad e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:11, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== 3D Bubs legs (MODIFIED)====
When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "[[stunt double]]", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a modified version (omitting the third sentence) was Accepted - however, a mention of this particular item is already included in the transcript, so no additional mention in the "Fun Facts" section is necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:08, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Homsar's walking sound (MODIFIED)====
The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "[[for kids]]".

'''VERDICT:''' A modified version of this item (without the specific e-mail reference) has been added to the transcript after an overwhelming number of Modify votes. This item is closed. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:11, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Edgar's anachronism (REVISED)====
Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a revised version of this item was added to the Remarks section of [[virus]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== The Number 423,827 ====
I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of Strong Bad e-mails recieved to date <s>by the site</s> since SB got his Compy, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''Interesting''' Hmm... it could be posssible. I mean, thats less than 4000 emails a week, which isnt alot for popular websites. Is there anyway to confirm this? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''What?''' Where did this come from? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Is it not the number of Viruses that Edgarware.exe found? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 06:48, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Decline anyway''' Unless it gets re-used, I don't see how that matters. I mean, it was just an arbitrarily large number. Are people looking for the significance of the number 1,685,421 (other than Mitch Overlord being that number caller in best thing?) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:22, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:53, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''probably not''' TBC say they get more then 1,000 SBemails each day! So I don't think so. I could be true, though. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:15, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''on second thought...'''' It could be the number of e-mails TBC got since Strong Bad got his Compy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
***'''Whoops-erson...''' Thats what I ment it to be... I'l change it.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:32, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Quote of the Day (or so) ====
Shortly after the release of this e-mail the format of the Quote of the Week box was changed to include the character's image and transcription of the quote. However, this change was not copied for the fake box in this e-mail.
*'''Decline''' There, you just said it yourself. Shortly ''>>'''AFTER'''<<'' the release of this e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===
====Disney "Mickey" Logo====
All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Neutral.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold and Ghostbusters ====
Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Modify this item. The modified form of this item appears on the [[Shopping for Danger]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[montage]] ===
==== Pants ====
Homestar wears pants in the "Im The Best" Easter egg. This is possibly the first time Homestar wears pants.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was voted to be Accepted - however, the item was found to be factually inaccurate. A revision of the item, noting the exception, is currently on the [[montage]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[pizzaz]] ===
==== Biscuit Dough Hands Man (Revised) ====
Biscuit Dough Hands Man is the initial suspect for Strong Bad's crimes in "[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]", created by [[Bubs]] drawing [[The King of Town|the King of Town's]] description of Strong Bad. So (when the Strong Bad Interview-Type Progrum says he will interview Biscuit Dough Hands Man in the next show), technically Strong Bad will be interviewing "himself" again.

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and added to the [[pizzaz]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:36, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== car ===
==== "You ever see me in a car? No!" ====

Another subtle fun fact: At the end of the email, Strong Bad says, "You ever see me in a car? No!" Interestingly, he is seen in the Gremlin just a few emails later, in the Dangeresque 3 email.
*'''Revise, Move''' I think this belongs more in the Dangeresque 3 email fun facts. Also, get rid of the "Another subtle fun fact" bit. - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Decline.''' I'd actually put the Gremlin more into Bubs' possesion. He came up with it, so it just seems to work along those lines.
*'''Decline.''' As with the 'bigger wusses and lesser wimps' item up above, since when does Strong Bad always tell the truth? See [[stand-up]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' He could have also changed his mind about being seen in a car. Since this really doesn't contradict anything, it's not really worth noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:38, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Previously someone else said "Strong Bad tends to lie" or something like that. I've thought of that fact before....also the Gremin might not be his. Allow me to reason:
<pre>
stunt double had Dangereque 2
dangeresque 3 had Dangereque 1, with which car.
car had the "You ever see me in a car? No!" quote.

Allow me to put these in order:

dangereque 3(1)
car(quote)
stunt double(2)

First in Dangereque 2, he wasn't in a car.
but Dangereque 1, he was seen in a car.
Dangereque 1 was obviously made before
Dangereque 2, before "car".

This is too confusing, but I hope it gives you a better understanding of it.

</pre>

--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:55, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think what the above user is saying is that since Dangeresque 1 is a prequel to Dangeresque 2, and Dangeresque 2 was made before "car", that Strong Bad had been in a car before "car" was made. However, I think there is evidence in the "dangeresque 3" e-mail that Dangeresque 1 was actually made after Dangeresque 2 (within the H*R universe). Note the sign at the beginning that says "Not in 3-D" and the fact that it is called "Dangeresque 1", not just "Dangeresque." Strong Bad probably realized there was no Dangeresque 1 and subsequently made one, excusing its appearance after Dangeresque 2 by saying it was the limited edition director's cut. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:44, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

'''Comment.''' Now I get it: He says, "Do you ever '''see''' me in a car?" He said that because we didn't see Strong Bad in a car yet.--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 04:59, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
He must be s

=== [[lackey]]===

==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I know the current is going towards a lot of declines, but this is one I have to '''ACCEPT.''' I actually think this fact is a decent one. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:37, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' I just realized the problem with this item: there isn't really a discrepancy here. Lackey is #96 while Montage is #117, so it's possible that The Cheat could have become unemployed (as a lackey) between then and...then. We're not told about anything regarding The Cheat's job status in the meantime, so this isn't really that notable. (And my comments above about the montage not being canon still stand.) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Not necessarily. I am sure that if Strong Bad did lose his The Cheat, we would have heard about it. I'm sure The Cheat is more valueable to him than his Compy, but look at how much he freaked out when it was shotgun'd, If he lost The Cheat he would probably be depressed for a few weeks. Also, in extra plug, The Cheat still stands by, wating for his orders (to plug in the shoes) which would indicate he is still a valueable lackey to SB. And I realise that he "created a montage", and the results dont have to be completely true. However, there is nothing indicating that it is UNtrue either.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===

==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

*'''Rewrite'''- Too long and confusing --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:48, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ...though I almost voted Decline. The reference is a decent one. Perhaps something as simple as:
The 1936 Strong Bad, Strong Man, and The Sneak stealing the parsnips
in the wheelbarrow is reminiscent of the scene in The Reddest Radish
where their 21st-century counterparts steal Marzipan's radish.
::The mention of the speculation is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Strong Sad Blog|Strong Sad's Lement]] ===

==== Meh ====

"meh" is one of Strong Sad's emotions, and it also is frequently said by The Cheat.

*'''Decline.''' It's to obvious, It's like saying Homestar's speech impediment. Meh is also an emotion meaning normal, not happy, not sad, just...meh. - [[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

==Games==

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Control Scheme====
The poor control scheme (a to jump, s to fire) may be another Mega Man reference, this time to the Mega Man Anniversary Collection which included Mega Man 1-8. On the Gamecube version, the controls for fire and jump were also messed up. (a to fire, b to jump) This eventually ended up with many frusterated gamers who intented to jump over a bottomless pit, but instead fired their plasma buster instead.
*'''Decline'''. This has got to be a joke. Poor control scheme? Tons of computer games use cursor keys as directions and a and s as action buttons. Also it is not uncommon to see the action buttons in the same order, with jump on the left and attack on the right. Additionally, many gamers choose a and s as their main buttons when setting up games and emulators and have no joypad. I'm sorry for whoever got burned by Mega Man, but this really isn't the place for it. -[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 11:52, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:18, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline'''. The control scheme for Stinkoman 20X6. Whoever wrote this was probably mad at MMAC and just wanted to get it out of his system. I really don't see what the problem is. I have that game, and in a few minutes I was fully adapted to the weirdish control scheme, no problem. -[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. I, too, have that game, and it came almost second nature. It's not a "poor" control sceme. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''', mostly because it's irrelevant (although I DID hate that reversed control scheme in ''MMAC''...). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:39, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second and a comment'''. Hey, the Jump-with-B, Shoot-with-A scheme worked for Metroid Prime, why not MMAC? :P Hehe, oh well. :) -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:28, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)

====Ninja Gaiden Levels====
Level X.x is also a reference to the display of levels in Ninja Gaiden.
*'''Decline'''. The display of levels within Ninja Gaiden used a dash rather than a period and sub-level notation has been used in a number of different games. Had each level been called an "Act" as in Ninja Gaiden, you'd be onto something. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:38, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Sub-level notation was used as early as Super Mario 1... And even with "Act" it still wouldn't have just been Ninja Gaiden... Sonic had that too. -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:30, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)

====Stoves====
Planet K is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.

*'''Decline'''To quote geoguy: What's the big deal? I feel that Homestar Runner's world is on a different plane of reality. It obviouslty is, but in saying on the official Wiki page that gas stoves are supposed to be obsolete by 20X6? What is 20X6? 2016? Gas is most likely to run out in 2025 in OUR world. In Homestar's world, there may be abundant reserves of oil. Have you ever seen anyone drive a car(for real) in Free Country, USA? They may well use mainly solar power. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline''' This is quite presumptuous - how do we know that gas stoves would have become osbolete? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog

====Stone Fist====
When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!

*'''Decline'''Same as the "More Levels" fun fact listed above. Obvious and not noteworthy as a fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Same as my comment above - since the game has no Transcript, it's useful as a fact. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. This doesn't show that there will be new levels. That's what the screen AFTER the cutscene's for. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:41, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' [[User:http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]

====Engrish====
The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.

*'''Decline'''There is absolutely no need to point this out. Yet another fun fact that's too obvious. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I do agree that is kind of obvious, but this does constitute a valid reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''; noted at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:43, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Brody====
Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.

*'''Decline'''Aside from Brody's legs and coloring, this isn't true. And the legs and coloring don't hold much water on their own, seeing as how: A. Birds' legs look something like that and are often illustrated that way. B. Every other chicken in Level 2 is colored yellow, and chickens are often illustrated to be yellow anyway. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]

====Tampo====
The name Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.

*'''Decline'''This is very doubtful. Tempura is a big stretch, sure the manual says Tampo is as mean as he is delicious, but that hardly connects Tampo and tempura. And ''tempo''?? Tampo has nothing to do with tempo or even anything musical. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline''' Big stretch in both cases. And a '''Comment''' to [[User:Ogog|Ogog]], make sure that your comments are bulleted and that you show your vote as Accept or Decline. Also, make sure you remove the STUFF'd item when you put it on this page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Er, the vote, that is. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:44, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===

====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' In an interview with one of the Brothers Chaps, he says that the Bronco Trolley was something he saw in a dream.
**Please sign your vote. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== General ==

=== Cross-Toon Facts ===

==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.
* '''Decline every last case''' Not necessary; the parents of various characters are referred to multiple times (the Bros. Strong, Pom-Pom, and even Marzipan (even though the last one was later changed.)) Similarly, any instance of "This is the first time Strong Sad has smiled/laughed/burped/sighed/whatevered" is not only silly but, these days, wrong. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
* '''Revise, Accept.''' Just replace [insert scene here] with a description of the scene, and you're good to go.
*'''Decline''' The phrase "one of the few" should automatically disqualify this from being accepted. Fun facts should tell something unique or noteworthy about the toon in question - if you have to rattle off a list of other toons where the same thing happened (except in extreme cases where a reference to a previous e-mail/toon is explicit), then it shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:53, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

best thing

Svelt — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:13:10 GMT

Svelt: /* Real-World References */ rrll rrll percussion comment moved to STUFF by fellow percussionist

[[Image:sbemail126.png|thumb|"Limozeen Pilot: Encounter at Groupulon 5"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #126'''

Strong Bad shows us the best thing he's ever seen, done or eaten: the quickly cancelled pilot of [[Limozeen]]: [[Limozeen: "But they're in space!"|"but they're in space!"]]

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Gary Palaroncini]], [[Larry Palaroncini]], [[Perry Palaroncini]], [[Mary Palaroncini]], [[Teeg Dougland]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Mitch Overlord]], [[Bozar]], [[Nebulon]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

'''Date:''' March 8, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:02

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' You got to ''e''-mail, just to stay alive! ''{types "strongbad_email.exe", begins reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
How you doin'? I have three quick questions...
1. What's the best thing you've ever seen?
2. What's the best thing you've ever done?
3. What's the best thing you've ever eaten?

Later,
Albin J. (from Maryland)</pre>

''{Strong Bad doesn't read the numbers, and after saying "seen", he immediately follows with "done, eaten." He also whispers "from, from Maryland." Then he clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm doing real real ''{types "rrll rrll"}'' well Albi. Believe it or not, I've got one answer for all three questions. And that answer is...

''{Cut to an image of a video tape labelled "Limozeen cartoon" and "Don't record over for dang's sake!!!"}''

'''SINGERS:''' VHS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only known copy of the failed pilot episode of the Limozeen Saturday morning cartoon shoooooooow!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' It only aired once at, like, 4 a.m. some forgotten Saturday. And guess who was already up and eating brown sugar straight from the box? That's right, Strong Sad. But then I got up and started watching TV. If not for my The Cheat-like VHS reflexes, it would have been as lost as four-armed Grimace. ''{clears screen}'' I'll let you guys see it, but please, no flash photography or video taping. It could damage the precious oils and heavy metals of this priceless piece of television history.

''{cut to the cartoon. It opens with "Metalmation" appearing in large block letters, followed by "presents" in cursive}''

'''SINGER:''' 
Remember those guys from that band Limozeen? 
Well, they turned their tour bus into a space machine! 
But they're still Limozeen!

'''LARRY:''' 
We're still Limozeen!

'''SINGER:''' 
But they're in space!

'''LARRY:''' 
But we're in space?!

''{now the title screen is shown: LIMOZEEN "but they're in space!" The Limozeen members appear in animated form below. Teeg walks in from stage right.}

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. You're in space!

''{one final chord of the theme song plays}''

''{cut to the Couch. Strong Bad is sitting on it, while Strong Sad is leaning on it from behind.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh-ho-ho! So classic!

'''STRONG SAD:''' But why are they in space? There's no reason for them to be in space!

'''STRONG BAD:''' On the contrary, my dear Fatson! There's ''every'' reason for them to be in space.

''{title card for "ENCOUNTER AT GROUPULON 5" by A. Chimendez appears. From there, it cuts to the Limozeen members running away from a pair of flesh-colored hands, a pair of blue hands, and two magenta tentacles}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' So, one of their main goals is to both run away from and give backstage passes to all the hot babe-liens of the galaxy.

''{the Limozeen members run into their tour spaceship}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. None of the hot alien chicks from Groupulon 5 have backstage passes to tonight's show.

'''LARRY:''' Then whose midriffs are we gonna sign?

'''GARY:''' What happened to all the passes, Teeg?

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' Galactic Radio gave them all away. To Mitch Overlord.

''{The members of Limozeen gasp, as we cut to Mitch Overlord's lair}''

'''MITCH OVERLORD:''' That's right, Limozeen! I was the one million, six hundred and eighty-five thousand, four hundred and twenty-first caller! ''{raises his claw-like right hand and opens and shuts it twice}''

''{The members of Limozeen are shown running again, this time from nothing that can be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' And sometimes the magical prankster Bozar appears and turns reality upside-down.

'''BOZAR:''' '' Muddle me twice, Limo-losers! How are you going to play tonight's show after I turn your instruments into Italian noodles?

''{The band is greeted with "boooos" as they attempt to play a concert with their noodle-instruments anyway. The word NOODLES! appears in lights behind the stage. Mary eats his noodles instead.}''

'''MARY:''' This is the best show ever, guys!

''{canned laughter is heard}''

'''LARRY:''' Mary, quit eatin' your drums!

''{Cut to the outside of the tour spaceship flying through space. Nebulon flies past.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' But most of all, the episode centers around the boys making sure metal stays number one throughout the galaxy.

''{Cut to spaceship interior}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. We've been knocked off the charts in the Forbidden Zone by an alternative rock band.

'''PERRY:''' But their bassist is a girl!

'''MARY:''' And the drummer's got short hair!

'''LARRY:''' And the lead singer wears glasses!

''{Cut back to the couch. Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Ow! What was that for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' For you and your kind destroying metal! Chuck Taylor-wearing, low self-esteemers...

''{Cut back to the cartoon. The band is practicing as Teeg walks up to them.}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. Our pilot episode has been cancelled.

'''LARRY, GARY, PERRY, and MARY:''' What?

'''GARY:''' Oh well. I guess I won't be needing this anymore. ''{throws his guitar offscreen}''

''{Cut to the real Larry on Strong Bad's television, who catches the real equivalent of the guitar.}''

'''LARRY:''' Oh, thanks, Space Gary! I can't believe we got cancelled! Weeeeeell, join us next time, kids! In syndication! Or maybe on DVD! ''{plays a short tune as the TV fades out. Strong Bad returns to the Lappy.}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Whattaya think, Albi? If that's not the best thing you've ever seen, done, or eaten, then may I politely ask you to gouge out your eyes, cut out your tongue, and um, have all your done ''{short pause}'' removed.

''{The Paper comes down.}

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "brown sugar" to see a box of "[[Suge Brown]]" brown sugar, with the tagline "Don't borrow from thy neighbor" and a weight of "one whole pound".
*At the end of the email, click "eaten" to see a member of Limozeen question his hair color and size:
*:'''MARY:''' How come they made me fat and have red hair?
*:'''LARRY:''' Because you're the comic relief-uh!
*:''{Mary burps very loudly}''

== Fun Facts ==
=== Explanations ===
*The fact that Limozeen's cartoon takes place in space for no good reason is likely a reference to several other cartoons which also took place in space for no reason, like [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-5297/ the Partridge Family, 2200 A.D.], [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2345/ Gilligan's Planet], and [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-7865/ Josie & the Pussycats In Outer Space], all of which had extremely short runs (usually only one season).
**The Limozeen cartoon is also likely a riff on Hanna Barbara cartoons that featured bands who solved crimes or fought villians. In addition to ''Josie'' there was ''Jabberjaw'' and ''Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids''. Teeg Dougland's repeated mantra of "I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys" is a riff on band managers in such cartoons, who were often only featured as characters for plot exposition.

=== Trivia ===
*Teeg Dougland was voiced by [[Mike Chapman]] who looks almost identical to Teeg.

*The email song could be a parody of the movie "Saw"'s logo 'How much blood would you shed to stay alive'

*Usually, a Strong Bad E-mail has the filename of sbemail###.swf. This one is sbemail126_mx.swf.
**This is most likely because it was probably made in Flash MX instead of Flash 5 which is apparently normally used by them (according to the NYU talk)

=== Remarks ===
*This email gives a good answer to Strong Bad's own question in [[different town]] when he tries to think up the Best Thing Ever, which turned out to be beef stew.
*Strong Bad's tape lacks the little tab you knock out to prevent people taping over it, a chief concern with the cartoon tape.

=== Goofs ===
*Just before Strong Bad sits down at the Lappy, you see almost his entire head, but you can't see the laces on the back of his mask; usually when they show that much of his head (e.g. in [[crazy cartoon]]) you see those laces.
*When the space-mobile is flying at supposed hyper-speed, the stars flying by in the background are streaking the wrong way.
*When we see the TV and VCR in Strong Bad's basement, the VCR shows no sign of a tape being inside it nor of any playback. (VCRs typically have some type of counter or a "play" graphic on their display.)

=== Inside References ===
*The green alien which floats by in one scene is Nebulon, as seen in [[New Boots]] and [[Main Page 1]].
*The teleplay for Limozeen's cartoon is written by [[A. Chimendez]].
*Teeg Dougland is the name of the director of the [[Moving Very Slowly]] video on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD. He is identified as the manager of the band at the NYU talk during the showing of a Limozeen coloring book 'game'.
*The [[VCR]] is still blinking from [[12:00]] and someone removed the alarm clock that [[Bubs]] duct-taped to it.
*When Space Gary throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to [[invisibility]]. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken [[Tandy 400]] and replaces it with the [[Compy 386]].
*The guitar that Space Gary tosses is the same one seen in [[Puppet Time]].
**It looks like a KE3 Kelly model guitar by Jackson
*Strong calls the author of the email Albi, which is a reference to the author of the first email, [[some kinda robot]], who was named Abdi.
*The use of "rrll rrll" is probably the latest incarnation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]."

=== Real-World References ===
*"Metalmation" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Filmation|Filmation]] animation studio, with the logos looking very similar. Filmation was famous for churning out cookie-cutter cartoons many of which also took place in space for no good reason.
*The repeated "band being chased" segments may be a reference to a Hanna-Barbera 70's staple of stock-footage chase scenes, which appeared most prominently in Scooby-Doo. Also, this may refer to the Beatles, who spent a good deal of "A Hard Day's Night" -- supposedly a typical day in the life of the band--running away from adoring female fans. [[Image:evil-grimace.jpg|thumb|Four-armed Grimace]]
*"Four-armed Grimace" is a reference to the purple McDonaldland character. Grimace was originally named "The Evil Grimace", and he had four arms -- so that he could hold many shakes at once.
*"On the contrary, my dear Fatson" is an adaptation of "Elementary, my dear Watson", a line often attributed to Sherlock Holmes, though he never actually used that exact phrase.
*The space logo of Limozeen is very similar to the logo of the Nintendo game series Metroid. This isn't the first Metroid reference on the site -- in fact, a Metroid code appeared in an Easter Egg in the Strong Bad Email [[invisibility]].
*The laugh track used in one scene is a typical element of older Hanna-Barbera cartoons featuring more realistic characters, intended to incite laughter in the same manner as a sitcom. It may sound dry and out of place to modern viewers.
*"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].
* Mary asking "How come they made me fat and have red hair?" draws attention to the manipulation of characters in cartoon adaptations to clearly defined sterotypical roles. In particular, Mary's question references the cartoon [http://www.tvtome.com/RealGhostbusters/ The Real Ghostbusters], where the Dan Aykroyd character (from the Ghostbusters film) was modified into an overweight redhead. This was done because the real-life actors had contract clauses that prevented likenesses of them being used.
**It may also have been done so that the animated counterparts of Aykroyd, Bill Murray, and Harold Ramis (all dark haired and of similar build in the film) could be easily told apart by kids.
**In the animated feature ''Scooby-Doo meets the Harlem Globetrotters'', one player is shown as a fat comic relief in much the same way.
* The phrase "Chuck Taylor wearin'..." refers to [[Wikipedia:Converse Shoes|Converse High Top Basketball Shoes]], designed by Chuck Taylor. "Chucks" are a signature look of Grunge, Punk, and Metal that happened after 1990.
**This is also a reference to that particular brand of shoe being popular among fans of "Alternative Rock" (or indie, or emo, etc.) that Strong Bad is so angry about. We know that Strong Sad has a fondness for these bands from his Blog.
*Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of [[Wikipedia:Mr_Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]], a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.
**This also bears a resemblance to [[Wikipedia:The Great Gazoo|the Great Gazoo]] from The Flintstones.
**He also resembles a megalomaniacal antagonist from the 90's show [[Wikipedia:Mighty Max|Mighty Max]] called Dr. Zygote, who had an oversized brain/head, alien-like features, and would construct elaborate schemes to rule/destroy humanity.
**He appears to be saying 'Muddle me twice' at the begining of his line, which is similar to Batman villain The Riddler's (in his various incarnations) catchphrase of 'riddle me this'.
*The scene at the end, where the cartoon throws the guitar to the real-life band member, pokes fun at almost every 80's cartoon that had a (semi) famous person behind it -- where the cartoon would transition/interact with the real person from off screen: Fat Albert, Alf, M.C. Hammer, Mr. T, the Harlem Globetrotters, and many others all closed the episode with the real-world people.
*The entire tape of the Limozeen cartoon includes a "VHS grain" effect, most visible during the black METALMATION intro (note how the background appears to be randomly speckled). This artifact of VHS recording results from multiple generation copies, repeated erasing/recording, and from recording in extended tape speeds. This is a different technique for VHS "authenticity" than the kind used in the [[Character Videos]], however.
*Bozar's calling Limozeen "Limo Losers" is most likely poking fun at most 80s villans who insult the heroes with similar nicknames (I.E. "Mega Moron" from the Mega man cartoons).
*The idea of a band having a cancelled pilot cartoon may have been inspired by a pilot cartoon made starring funk bassist Bootsy Collins that never aired. [http://www.newfunktimes.com/bootsy/cartoon.html See portions of it here].

== External Links ==
* [[HR:sbemail126.html|view "best thing"]]
* [[HR:sbemail126_mx.swf|view the flash file for "best thing"]]
* [http://www.forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2214 forum thread re: best thing]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: Nebulon Filmography]]

best thing

Svelt — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:08:29 GMT

Svelt: /* Inside References */ rrll rrll is grrl

[[Image:sbemail126.png|thumb|"Limozeen Pilot: Encounter at Groupulon 5"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #126'''

Strong Bad shows us the best thing he's ever seen, done or eaten: the quickly cancelled pilot of [[Limozeen]]: [[Limozeen: "But they're in space!"|"but they're in space!"]]

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Gary Palaroncini]], [[Larry Palaroncini]], [[Perry Palaroncini]], [[Mary Palaroncini]], [[Teeg Dougland]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Mitch Overlord]], [[Bozar]], [[Nebulon]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

'''Date:''' March 8, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:02

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' You got to ''e''-mail, just to stay alive! ''{types "strongbad_email.exe", begins reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
How you doin'? I have three quick questions...
1. What's the best thing you've ever seen?
2. What's the best thing you've ever done?
3. What's the best thing you've ever eaten?

Later,
Albin J. (from Maryland)</pre>

''{Strong Bad doesn't read the numbers, and after saying "seen", he immediately follows with "done, eaten." He also whispers "from, from Maryland." Then he clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm doing real real ''{types "rrll rrll"}'' well Albi. Believe it or not, I've got one answer for all three questions. And that answer is...

''{Cut to an image of a video tape labelled "Limozeen cartoon" and "Don't record over for dang's sake!!!"}''

'''SINGERS:''' VHS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only known copy of the failed pilot episode of the Limozeen Saturday morning cartoon shoooooooow!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' It only aired once at, like, 4 a.m. some forgotten Saturday. And guess who was already up and eating brown sugar straight from the box? That's right, Strong Sad. But then I got up and started watching TV. If not for my The Cheat-like VHS reflexes, it would have been as lost as four-armed Grimace. ''{clears screen}'' I'll let you guys see it, but please, no flash photography or video taping. It could damage the precious oils and heavy metals of this priceless piece of television history.

''{cut to the cartoon. It opens with "Metalmation" appearing in large block letters, followed by "presents" in cursive}''

'''SINGER:''' 
Remember those guys from that band Limozeen? 
Well, they turned their tour bus into a space machine! 
But they're still Limozeen!

'''LARRY:''' 
We're still Limozeen!

'''SINGER:''' 
But they're in space!

'''LARRY:''' 
But we're in space?!

''{now the title screen is shown: LIMOZEEN "but they're in space!" The Limozeen members appear in animated form below. Teeg walks in from stage right.}

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. You're in space!

''{one final chord of the theme song plays}''

''{cut to the Couch. Strong Bad is sitting on it, while Strong Sad is leaning on it from behind.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh-ho-ho! So classic!

'''STRONG SAD:''' But why are they in space? There's no reason for them to be in space!

'''STRONG BAD:''' On the contrary, my dear Fatson! There's ''every'' reason for them to be in space.

''{title card for "ENCOUNTER AT GROUPULON 5" by A. Chimendez appears. From there, it cuts to the Limozeen members running away from a pair of flesh-colored hands, a pair of blue hands, and two magenta tentacles}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' So, one of their main goals is to both run away from and give backstage passes to all the hot babe-liens of the galaxy.

''{the Limozeen members run into their tour spaceship}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. None of the hot alien chicks from Groupulon 5 have backstage passes to tonight's show.

'''LARRY:''' Then whose midriffs are we gonna sign?

'''GARY:''' What happened to all the passes, Teeg?

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' Galactic Radio gave them all away. To Mitch Overlord.

''{The members of Limozeen gasp, as we cut to Mitch Overlord's lair}''

'''MITCH OVERLORD:''' That's right, Limozeen! I was the one million, six hundred and eighty-five thousand, four hundred and twenty-first caller! ''{raises his claw-like right hand and opens and shuts it twice}''

''{The members of Limozeen are shown running again, this time from nothing that can be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' And sometimes the magical prankster Bozar appears and turns reality upside-down.

'''BOZAR:''' '' Muddle me twice, Limo-losers! How are you going to play tonight's show after I turn your instruments into Italian noodles?

''{The band is greeted with "boooos" as they attempt to play a concert with their noodle-instruments anyway. The word NOODLES! appears in lights behind the stage. Mary eats his noodles instead.}''

'''MARY:''' This is the best show ever, guys!

''{canned laughter is heard}''

'''LARRY:''' Mary, quit eatin' your drums!

''{Cut to the outside of the tour spaceship flying through space. Nebulon flies past.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' But most of all, the episode centers around the boys making sure metal stays number one throughout the galaxy.

''{Cut to spaceship interior}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. We've been knocked off the charts in the Forbidden Zone by an alternative rock band.

'''PERRY:''' But their bassist is a girl!

'''MARY:''' And the drummer's got short hair!

'''LARRY:''' And the lead singer wears glasses!

''{Cut back to the couch. Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Ow! What was that for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' For you and your kind destroying metal! Chuck Taylor-wearing, low self-esteemers...

''{Cut back to the cartoon. The band is practicing as Teeg walks up to them.}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. Our pilot episode has been cancelled.

'''LARRY, GARY, PERRY, and MARY:''' What?

'''GARY:''' Oh well. I guess I won't be needing this anymore. ''{throws his guitar offscreen}''

''{Cut to the real Larry on Strong Bad's television, who catches the real equivalent of the guitar.}''

'''LARRY:''' Oh, thanks, Space Gary! I can't believe we got cancelled! Weeeeeell, join us next time, kids! In syndication! Or maybe on DVD! ''{plays a short tune as the TV fades out. Strong Bad returns to the Lappy.}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Whattaya think, Albi? If that's not the best thing you've ever seen, done, or eaten, then may I politely ask you to gouge out your eyes, cut out your tongue, and um, have all your done ''{short pause}'' removed.

''{The Paper comes down.}

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "brown sugar" to see a box of "[[Suge Brown]]" brown sugar, with the tagline "Don't borrow from thy neighbor" and a weight of "one whole pound".
*At the end of the email, click "eaten" to see a member of Limozeen question his hair color and size:
*:'''MARY:''' How come they made me fat and have red hair?
*:'''LARRY:''' Because you're the comic relief-uh!
*:''{Mary burps very loudly}''

== Fun Facts ==
=== Explanations ===
*The fact that Limozeen's cartoon takes place in space for no good reason is likely a reference to several other cartoons which also took place in space for no reason, like [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-5297/ the Partridge Family, 2200 A.D.], [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2345/ Gilligan's Planet], and [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-7865/ Josie & the Pussycats In Outer Space], all of which had extremely short runs (usually only one season).
**The Limozeen cartoon is also likely a riff on Hanna Barbara cartoons that featured bands who solved crimes or fought villians. In addition to ''Josie'' there was ''Jabberjaw'' and ''Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids''. Teeg Dougland's repeated mantra of "I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys" is a riff on band managers in such cartoons, who were often only featured as characters for plot exposition.

=== Trivia ===
*Teeg Dougland was voiced by [[Mike Chapman]] who looks almost identical to Teeg.

*The email song could be a parody of the movie "Saw"'s logo 'How much blood would you shed to stay alive'

*Usually, a Strong Bad E-mail has the filename of sbemail###.swf. This one is sbemail126_mx.swf.
**This is most likely because it was probably made in Flash MX instead of Flash 5 which is apparently normally used by them (according to the NYU talk)

=== Remarks ===
*This email gives a good answer to Strong Bad's own question in [[different town]] when he tries to think up the Best Thing Ever, which turned out to be beef stew.
*Strong Bad's tape lacks the little tab you knock out to prevent people taping over it, a chief concern with the cartoon tape.

=== Goofs ===
*Just before Strong Bad sits down at the Lappy, you see almost his entire head, but you can't see the laces on the back of his mask; usually when they show that much of his head (e.g. in [[crazy cartoon]]) you see those laces.
*When the space-mobile is flying at supposed hyper-speed, the stars flying by in the background are streaking the wrong way.
*When we see the TV and VCR in Strong Bad's basement, the VCR shows no sign of a tape being inside it nor of any playback. (VCRs typically have some type of counter or a "play" graphic on their display.)

=== Inside References ===
*The green alien which floats by in one scene is Nebulon, as seen in [[New Boots]] and [[Main Page 1]].
*The teleplay for Limozeen's cartoon is written by [[A. Chimendez]].
*Teeg Dougland is the name of the director of the [[Moving Very Slowly]] video on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD. He is identified as the manager of the band at the NYU talk during the showing of a Limozeen coloring book 'game'.
*The [[VCR]] is still blinking from [[12:00]] and someone removed the alarm clock that [[Bubs]] duct-taped to it.
*When Space Gary throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to [[invisibility]]. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken [[Tandy 400]] and replaces it with the [[Compy 386]].
*The guitar that Space Gary tosses is the same one seen in [[Puppet Time]].
**It looks like a KE3 Kelly model guitar by Jackson
*Strong calls the author of the email Albi, which is a reference to the author of the first email, [[some kinda robot]], who was named Abdi.
*The use of "rrll rrll" is probably the latest incarnation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]."

=== Real-World References ===
*"Metalmation" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Filmation|Filmation]] animation studio, with the logos looking very similar. Filmation was famous for churning out cookie-cutter cartoons many of which also took place in space for no good reason.
*The repeated "band being chased" segments may be a reference to a Hanna-Barbera 70's staple of stock-footage chase scenes, which appeared most prominently in Scooby-Doo. Also, this may refer to the Beatles, who spent a good deal of "A Hard Day's Night" -- supposedly a typical day in the life of the band--running away from adoring female fans. [[Image:evil-grimace.jpg|thumb|Four-armed Grimace]]
*"Four-armed Grimace" is a reference to the purple McDonaldland character. Grimace was originally named "The Evil Grimace", and he had four arms -- so that he could hold many shakes at once.
*"On the contrary, my dear Fatson" is an adaptation of "Elementary, my dear Watson", a line often attributed to Sherlock Holmes, though he never actually used that exact phrase.
*The space logo of Limozeen is very similar to the logo of the Nintendo game series Metroid. This isn't the first Metroid reference on the site -- in fact, a Metroid code appeared in an Easter Egg in the Strong Bad Email [[invisibility]].
*The laugh track used in one scene is a typical element of older Hanna-Barbera cartoons featuring more realistic characters, intended to incite laughter in the same manner as a sitcom. It may sound dry and out of place to modern viewers.
*"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].
* Mary asking "How come they made me fat and have red hair?" draws attention to the manipulation of characters in cartoon adaptations to clearly defined sterotypical roles. In particular, Mary's question references the cartoon [http://www.tvtome.com/RealGhostbusters/ The Real Ghostbusters], where the Dan Aykroyd character (from the Ghostbusters film) was modified into an overweight redhead. This was done because the real-life actors had contract clauses that prevented likenesses of them being used.
**It may also have been done so that the animated counterparts of Aykroyd, Bill Murray, and Harold Ramis (all dark haired and of similar build in the film) could be easily told apart by kids.
**In the animated feature ''Scooby-Doo meets the Harlem Globetrotters'', one player is shown as a fat comic relief in much the same way.
* The phrase "Chuck Taylor wearin'..." refers to [[Wikipedia:Converse Shoes|Converse High Top Basketball Shoes]], designed by Chuck Taylor. "Chucks" are a signature look of Grunge, Punk, and Metal that happened after 1990.
**This is also a reference to that particular brand of shoe being popular among fans of "Alternative Rock" (or indie, or emo, etc.) that Strong Bad is so angry about. We know that Strong Sad has a fondness for these bands from his Blog.
*Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of [[Wikipedia:Mr_Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]], a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.
**This also bears a resemblance to [[Wikipedia:The Great Gazoo|the Great Gazoo]] from The Flintstones.
**He also resembles a megalomaniacal antagonist from the 90's show [[Wikipedia:Mighty Max|Mighty Max]] called Dr. Zygote, who had an oversized brain/head, alien-like features, and would construct elaborate schemes to rule/destroy humanity.
**He appears to be saying 'Muddle me twice' at the begining of his line, which is similar to Batman villain The Riddler's (in his various incarnations) catchphrase of 'riddle me this'.
*The scene at the end, where the cartoon throws the guitar to the real-life band member, pokes fun at almost every 80's cartoon that had a (semi) famous person behind it -- where the cartoon would transition/interact with the real person from off screen: Fat Albert, Alf, M.C. Hammer, Mr. T, the Harlem Globetrotters, and many others all closed the episode with the real-world people.
*"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.
*The entire tape of the Limozeen cartoon includes a "VHS grain" effect, most visible during the black METALMATION intro (note how the background appears to be randomly speckled). This artifact of VHS recording results from multiple generation copies, repeated erasing/recording, and from recording in extended tape speeds. This is a different technique for VHS "authenticity" than the kind used in the [[Character Videos]], however.
*Bozar's calling Limozeen "Limo Losers" is most likely poking fun at most 80s villans who insult the heroes with similar nicknames (I.E. "Mega Moron" from the Mega man cartoons).
*The idea of a band having a cancelled pilot cartoon may have been inspired by a pilot cartoon made starring funk bassist Bootsy Collins that never aired. [http://www.newfunktimes.com/bootsy/cartoon.html See portions of it here].

== External Links ==
* [[HR:sbemail126.html|view "best thing"]]
* [[HR:sbemail126_mx.swf|view the flash file for "best thing"]]
* [http://www.forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2214 forum thread re: best thing]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: Nebulon Filmography]]

radio

Svelt — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 05:04:24 GMT

Svelt: /* Real-World References */ None of NPR's letters match up with PRS, while two letters of both PBS and PRI do match.

[[Image:deadlypallor.png|thumb|Strong Sad: Shock jock?]]

'''Strong Bad Email #120'''

Strong Bad gives some advice on how to be a radio host, in various genres.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]]/[[The Deathly Pallor]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[The Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]] (easter egg), [[The Sneak]] (easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Sad's Room]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Homestar's House]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]] (easter egg)

'''Date:''' December 13, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 4:01

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{types in "strongbad_email.exe"}'' I got miles and miles of the e-mail style. Miles and miles of the e-mail style.

<pre>subject: radio
Dear Strong Bad,
My friends are radio hosts. Any chance you could give
them any pointers on what they can say/do on their show?
bowing to you
Fraser, Scotland</pre>

''{Strong Bad actually says "slash" between say/do.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh, no need to bow, Fraser. Get up. ''{reverently}'' Rise, my son. And giveth me instead, $7.50 with which to buy some buffalo chicken tenders. ''{clears the screen}'' So your "friends" are radio show hosts, huh? Well, the first rule of thumb for all radio personalities is to look absolutely nothing like how they sound. Take Ol' Greystoke for instance.

''{Cut to Strong Sad standing in his room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voice-over}'' Now here's a whiny know-it-all who sounds just like he looks.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Why thank you, Senator.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voice-over}'' Quit calling me that. Anyway, if Strong Sad was a radio host, he'd sound like this:

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{In spontaneous, radio host voice}'' Hey hey hey, it's the Deathly Pallor, coming at you on numbitty 902, WA3D FM, "The Sturge." Coming up next, we got some hot new tracks from double-O ballyhoo!

''{Strong Sad covers his mouth in horror while Strong Bad laughs.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{normal voice/frightened}'' Don't you ever make me do that again!

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So once they've got the voice/appearance mismatch working, then it all just depends on what kind of radio station they work for. Listen and loin as I run my test sentence through the various genres.

'''Voice-over:''' Strong Bad's test sentence is "The fish was delish and it made quite a dish." ''{The sentence appears on-screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' First up is public radio: smooth n' smarmy.

''{Cut to Marzipan's kitchen. A radio is sitting on the counter.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as Public Radio host}'' Today on Capitol Hill, the fish was delish, and according to U.N. secretary council members, it made quite a dish. You are listening to member-supported public radio.

''{Public Radio theme song plays. Marzipan walks in.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Dang old public radio. I never got my totebag.

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Next up is the drive time morning show. ''{A poster for "[[The am morning "CRUDE" crew|The am morning 'CRUDE' crew]]" with two Strong Bad-like hosts appears onscreen.}'' Oooh, these guys are like bad stand up comics that you can't heckle. Or jeckle. Or throw highball glasses at.

''{Cut to a clock-radio.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as morning talk show host, with sound effects in the background}'' Rise and shine, people! The fish was delish. ''{canned laughter}'' Wait for it, wait for it! ''{clowny sounds}'' And it made quite a dish.

''{Cut back from the clock-radio to show Homestar in his house with a Public Radio totebag over his head, holding a glass containing a brown liquid with ice cubes.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, squawk box! Shut it up about the fish already.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I guess that's the way ''{honk honk}'' the cookie crumbles.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hi-ball! ''{throws his glass at radio}''

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Then, there's the utter misery that is college radio. Where they apparently just let any bewildered freshman wander in to the booth and try to run a radio station.

''{Cut to a boombox containing a blank tape.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as college radio host, over a song ending and some feedback}'' Uh, that, that was "The fish was delish" and we heard... track... ''{thumbing through CD jewel cases}'' six... "It Made Quite a Dish."

''{Cut to Strong Sad's room, where he is sitting next to the boombox writing some calligraphy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{on radio}'' Um... ca... campus outreach is looking for... hang on...

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' College radio can pretty much be summed up in 5 words: 
Dead air, um, dead air.

''{Cut back to the boombox}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{as college radio host}'' Okay, I am out of here for today, but um, but first up is an, um, er... an... an hour of chanting.

''{A chant plays on the boombox. Strong Sad hits the Play and Record buttons.}''

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And just in case your friends are um, in the past: here's old-timey radio.

''{Cut to 1936 style and an old-timey radio, with The Strong Bad reading in front of a microphone.}''

'''THE STRONG BAD:''' ''{as old-timey radio host}'' This week on The Fish Was Delish progrum, brought to you by Portly Washboy laundry paste, ''{Portly Washboy Fancy Laundry Paste logo appears}'' we join The Fish down at the wharfs as he closes in on the Quite a Dish gang's hideout. Stay tuned for partial excitement.

''{The [[Portly Washboy Fancy Laundry Paste|Portly Washboy]] logo appears again. It depicts a boy and a heaping jar of paste with a spoon in it.}''

'''Voice-over:''' ''{singing}'' Portly Washboy: Don't eat it like the cartoon man.

''{Cut back to Lappy 486.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Done and done, Fraser. Your friends should be well on their way to annoying drivers and gas station attendants the world over. Ooh! And see if you can score me some free coozies, frisbees, or bottle openers from their station. Those free giveaways: Highly flammable.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click on Strong Sad's stomach while he does the radio voice to see him wearing a T-shirt from WA3D FM "[[The Sturge]]."
*Click on "[[The Fish was Delish and it made Quite a Dish|The fish was delish, and it made quite a dish]]" to show a [[Wikipedia: Dr. Seuss|Dr. Seuss]]-style children's book of the same name. It was written by Crazy Prof. Sportsinterviews (aka [[Leomard Sportsinterviews]]), who writes most of the children's books Strong Bad mangles.
* Click on "coozies, frisbees, or bottle openers" after [[The Paper]] comes down to see them. The coozie is blue and says, "[[WSBD]] The Voice of [[Crazy Go Nuts University|CGNU]] 89.3 Several Dozen Listeners." The frisbee is white and says, "The Sturge numbitty 902 WA3D FM." The bottle opener is red and says, "Smooooooth 'n smarmy".
*After the test sentence disappears, you can still click where it was to show the children's book.
* Click on "annoying" after The Paper comes down to see/hear more of Strong Sad's new persona.
:'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, I disagree! I think it's more than just a matter of simple economics. In fact, I'd say... ''{radio host voice and mannerisms, with music}'' Oh, yeah! What's the phrase that pays that plays for days? It's numbitty-nine-oh-two, "The Sturge." Don't you touch that BLABITTABLOUGH!
:'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{confused}'' Blabittablough?
* Click on "me" after The Paper comes down to see more of old-timey Strong Bad.
:'''RADIO:''' ''{The Strong Bad}'' Stay tuned for partial excitement!
:''{Portly Washboy Laundry Paste theme song plays over radio}''
:'''THE STRONG BAD:''' ''{listening}'' Drat and double drat! It's true what they say! The rah-dio really does add four and twenty stone to one's voice!

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
* "Four-and-twenty stone" is 336 pounds (one stone = 14 pounds), though it is probably a play on the saying that "the camera adds ten pounds."
* A [[Wikipedia:Highball_glass|highball glass]] is a tall, narrow glass typically used to serve certain types of alcohol and cocktails. Homestar's glass, therefore, isn't a highball at all; it's a "Rocks Glass," which are generally short and stout.
** Homestar's glass is the same one The Cheat had on the table in [[montage]] while smoking.
===Remarks===
*The totebag on Homestar's head reads: ''PRS Public Radio Sounds "Smooth 'n Smarmy."'' This must be the totebag Marzipan's missing.
*Homestar must have his lights set to come on with the radio alarm at 7:00 am; strangely, he is already up and having a drink.
*[[Homestar's Radio|Homestar's radio]] is set to about 96.1 FM or 850 AM.
*Homestar must be a terrific athlete if he can nail a glass on a radio with a totebag over his head.

===Goofs===
*The left sleeve of Strong Sad's radio T-shirt disappears during parts of that Easter egg. If you click on him again, it reappears. (See the article image above.)
===Inside References===
*This is the second time Strong Sad has confused Strong Mad by saying something weird. The first was in [[caffeine]], after he said "parakeet."
*Strong Sad's calligraphy pen is also featured in his action figure in the Easter egg for [[action figure]], and from the [[Strong Bad Is in Jail Cartoon]].
*The [[Trivia Time]] cookie jar appears in Marzipan's kitchen.
*This is the second time we've seen the interior of [[Homestar's House]]. The first was in [[caper]], when Strong Bad and The Cheat tried to steal his Jumbles. Apparently, someone fixed his cow lamp, which is seen at the righthand side of the screen.
*Strong Sad refers to himself as "The Deathly Pallor," harking back to Coach Z's introduction of Strong Sad in the email [[impression]].
*"Progrum" is also a referance to "Strong Bad Type Interview Progrum" from [[pizzaz]]
*Right at the very end of the chanting, one can hear the first two notes of the [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] theme song, as seen in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]].
*The [[booOOMbox]] Strong Sad listens to was also seen in [[autobiography]]. However, it had no record button.

===Real-World References===
*Marzipan's reference to the totebag has to do with public radio and/or TV stations often having on-air fundraisers where they offer gifts for different levels of donations.
*Marzipan's book ''Tolstoy Story 2'' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Leo Tolstoy|Leo Tolstoy]], a famous Russian author, and also to the Disney/Pixar film ''[[Wikipedia:Toy Story 2|Toy Story 2]]''.
* Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot," sounding like intense hisses, the mic can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness."
*"[[PRS]]" is a playful combination of [http://www.pbs.org PBS], the Public Broadcasting Service, and [http://www.pri.org PRI], Public Radio International.
*The "UN Secretary Council" represents a mix between the [http://www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/ UN Secretary-General] and the [http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/ UN Security Council], both of which sound similar and frequently make headlines on PBS, PRI and NPR.
*The voice-over telling the viewer what the test phrase is is a reference to game shows like "[[Wikipedia:Password (game)|Password]]," where something similar would occur so that the viewers knew what the password was.
*Judging by Strong Sad's T-shirt, "The Sturge" is short for [[Wikipedia:Sturgeon|sturgeon]], a large, rare fish and is an obvious spoof of radio stations named after animals. For example, ''[[IMDb:tt0077097|WKRP in Cincinnati]]'' had the mascot "the WKRP Carp."
*"Heckle or jeckle" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Terrytoons|Terrytoons]] cartoon [http://www.toonopedia.com/hekljekl.htm Heckle and Jeckle].
*Strong Bad calling Strong Sad "Greystoke" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tarzan|Tarzan]].
*The short theme heard while Marzipan listens to public radio is reminiscent of the theme to the National Public Radio program "All Things Considered".
*The letter that Strong Sad is writing in caligraphy is the japanese character for "yo".


== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail120.html view "radio"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail120.swf view the flash file for "radio"]

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Svelt — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:06:13 GMT

Svelt: /* Garfield X-mas */ Mistook Marzipan's hair and some garland for a tree.