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Strongbad111 — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:21:21 GMT

Strongbad111: /* First Homestar teeth sighting */

==Homestar's teeth==
HOMESTAR HAS TEETH!!!!! WHAT IS THE WERLD COMING TOOO???????!!!!--{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:I thought it was cute. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Whyyyy??==
It seems like every new e-mail nowadays has a little part of an e-mail that I sent- but mine never really gets answered! Like, a while ago, I sent Strong Bad an email about getting a talkshow- now he has one? Ahhh!!! {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Well, I did ask him about a theme song once... however, it was a ''personal'' theme song, and before [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] came out (which sorta answered the question.) And I asked him a question relating to [[alternate universe]]s, but again, it wasn't really related to the 'toon in question when I asked it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Strong Bad gets 3000 emails a day, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chances are pretty high that they get questions about theme songs every other day.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::wall street journal??!!??, who cares about what some funny guy with the last name street thinks, and why are you reading his journal anywho?{{User:Csours/sig}} 13:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, I know. It's just aggrivating. And, Csours- ''I'' care about it, because I just happen to like the Wall Street Journal. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Wally street is perhaps the coolest guy i ever met. and its his fault for publishing his journal in the first place!-- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

==Strong Bad e-mail will be right back...==
The person who said Strong Bad e-mail will be right back after these messages was clearly not Mike or Matt or Missy. Could it have been Jackie? {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Jackie whom? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 11:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::[[Jackie Chapman]], of course (there is a search bar for one to utilize) <3 . —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:It sounds like the same voice as Nibbles, at any rate. Probably Matt or Mike sped up digitally. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 12:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

After a brief listen to the seniorprom outtake, I think that it was Missy, without being 100% sure.[[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 12:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Sounded like Missy/Marzy to me. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I thought, but isn't Marzi's voice a bit more 'squeaky'? If you know what I mean... [[User:InvaderJem]]

::: Homestar and Strong Bad are done by the same voice actor, but sound almost nothing alike. I don't think it was meant to be Marzipan, specifically, but probably Missy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If you pitch-shift it down, it sounds similar to Mike... not exactly the same, but similar... the accent's a bit different though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg ==

They only put in one easter egg. I'm letting them get away with this for one reason: There is NOTHING more fun than making The Cheat's tooth do the Shaheeeeeen effect.

:Shaheen! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== 14 degrees below zero. ==
(degrees removed because they's there now)
:also, the transcript says that the first guest is hilarity, i think he said celerity. because celerity would be funnier.
::(rio grande comment also removed for the same reason)
{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Location, Location, Location==

When Strong Bad says "south of the border flavor", wouldn't this mean the Free Country USA is above Canada? [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]
:No, it means Strong Bad doesn't know his geography very well. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::read the last thing i wrote, right above this.{{User:Csours/sig}} 15:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dog thing- It's 'cause of how he says Ontario. Wit a Spainish accent. So there you go. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 19:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Plus, if he was above Canada, he would be practically on the North pole, rending shortlessness, pool time, and Summer impossible.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:And he wouldn't be in Free Country "USA". -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

== Well, There Go My Hopes... ==

I sent in an email talking about theme songs to Strong Bad, and when it said "theme song" on the main page, my heart fricken skipped a beat. But alas, it wasn't mine. Dang you and your shiny last name Shaween! - {{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Inside References and the Trivia section ==

A great deal of the Inside References are referring to the credits. I put up a couple internal links in the credits, but should I move more of them? Or take them out and let Inside References continue to be huge?
:Could Tim Timmers be a reference to Tip Tappers?

==That hit the nail on the head==

I really don't like the fact that many shows go to commercials right after the intro, then have this thing that tells you they'll be right back. You could've told us that ''before'' you went to commercials. Also, I don't like the distorted end credis and muted end song just to advertize what's next. Can't they wait until after the credits?

The one thing they didn't do was those annoying popup ads some TV shows seem to have nowadays. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:They did that with ''Walking with Trogdor'' in [[myths & legends]].{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Senor Cardgage wearing a hat==

This is the first time we see [[Senor Cardgage]] wearing a hat. He looks like a rascal wearing a backwards cap and glasses; course, he's always wearing glasses. —[[User:Brian Barbera|Brian Barbera]] 20:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== First Homestar teeth sighting ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this the first time we see his teeth? We put marzipan's first teeth-sighting in whatever article that was, so i think we should do it for homestar too. --[[User:TrogdorTSL|Tyler]] 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Uh, check the Trivia section. It's been up there for a while... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Homestars teeth look freaky to me. I hope we never see them again. [[User:Strongbad111|Strongbad111]]

== NOLA connection ==

Probably unnotable for the main page, but it's interesting that both the Nevilles and the Marsalises are native to New Orleans. Thought I'd just mention it here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:While we're at it: This is a reference to the Neville brothers how? Just because they're musicians and their name is "Neville"? I don't get it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::They're quite famous here in the U.S. (especially Aaron), and their style is the same kind of pop ballad as the theme song. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::OK, convinced :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I might add that I have had the opportunity to play with members of each family (Charles and Delfeayo respectively) but that's ''certainly'' not notable on the main page! Still, it's [[kind of cool]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::sounds cool to me. you from norlans?{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Tiny toon adventures ==

I am 100% sertaint that the anounser describing the cheat comandos is the same line from the themes song from Tiny Toon adventures. Im gonna add this once the editin gdies down.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's already mentioned in Real World References. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Yah, I saw that right after I posted this. My bad.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fact Merge ==

# In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves.
# The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw Trogdor again – one of the commonly sent emails that will not be answered.

We could probably merge that into one, seeing as they are both emails that will not be answered (explaining how Strong Bad types with his boxing gloves and redoing an old e-mail). My suggestion: "Seeing how Strong Bad types with his boxing glove, and an e-mailer asking Strong Bad to redo an e-mail are both examples of e-mails that will never be answered". Somebody better at Wikipedianese will have to rewrite that. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad typing with boxing gloves on is not a reference to emails asking him about it. It's simply what he does. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:This does not actually show how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. It merely shows that he does. If you watch a magician saw a woman in half, it doesnt show how he does it, only that he "did". -JamesDean

:Then the fact is still wrong, because it says we see how, but in actuality we just see that he does. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:is this the first time weve seen sb type with glove on from the side? the other times have been from his perspective, i think..{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Super Bad ==

I just wondeling, is the way Johnathan Shaheen adresses SB a reference to [http://www.superbad.com/ superbad.com]?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:It's arguable that since it was the email writer who made a possible reference, not TBC, it's a moot point, and it's not worth noting. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::More: A writer from Ontario making a reference to a California graphic designer's website on The Strong Bad Email Show? Nah... doesn't work for me. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::that is one weird website tho.{{User:Csours/sig}} 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Get Your Degree ==

I tried to go to [[www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/]] and got nothing. Someone (preferably the brothers Chaps, but really any of us) needs to do something about that. Or did I mistype?-- [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 02:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:.edu addresses are only available to actual educational institutions. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::Interestingly, if you replace .edu with .com, you get redirected to a real-estate website. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. When I went to http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ I got exactly the same website shown in the sbemail: "ebsite Coming Soon(ish)!". Maybe someone should put this reference in the article?
::::if you view it in firefox (my version anyway) you only see the black letters, no colors. {{User:Csours/sig}} 18:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I found a link to [http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ehome-html.html this page] hidden in the exclamation mark after "Soon(ish)". It's just Senor Cardgage's degree list. A [http://whois.domaintools.com/cgnuonline-eniversity.com Whois lookup] reveals that the site is not registered to TBC. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== The lighter side of fun facts ==

Should the Mad magazine or the sports show reference be the one used? There are four possible votes.

* Mad, as it's more prevalent
* Sports show, as it's a closer match to title
* Both, as there are arguments for both
* Neither, TTATOT

Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:The sports show's title is a perfect match. And I believe TBC have made many more sports references than MAD references. So I think the sports show is definitely the winner here. I also believe it should be included, as most non-Americans won't have heard of the show (like me).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am an American, and I've never heard of the sports show. But my friends and I all read Mad. I think we need more voices. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Casper Theme ==

I feel the first theme song sounds more like the theme song to the original "Casper" cartoon than the Barney Theme... or is this my imagination? "Casper, the friendly ghost..." --Tempestryder
*I can kind of hear the Casper similarity, but honestly I think it just has a generic sing-song tone. I removed the Barney reference. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
== Degrees of Separation ==
Since the degrees cgnu online offers are already listed in the entry for Crazy go Nuts University, we should simply link to them here. *_Aaron_*
:I think the degrees should stay with the email. They don't take up that much space, and besides we already have the lists of credits. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Spelling of "Gip"==
Hi,

Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp (and to be fair also see http://www.answers.com/topic/gip)

Will you allow my edit of [[theme song]] to stick now?

Thanks [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:I see your comment in the themesong page. Why don't you note that what SB typed is a mis-spelling? Other transcripts do that. "Gyp" is a slur, related to Gypsies' reputation as thieves. That's why "gyp" is the correct spelling. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40 00:24]], 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::You do realise that the first link you gave [http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp] says that it's also spelled "gipped"?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure. But the second [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip] doesn't say anything about it (this meaning). "Gip" is obviously not considered a canonical spelling of this particular term by the American Heritage Dictionary, but variant instead. Why don't we add it to the transcript with the note about SB's variant spelling? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That first link you gave is GIP in all caps. Did you see this article [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip-1]? Variants are not misspellings, and are not really important to note. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It is also questionable that "gyp" really is a slur (see the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]], though as we discovered earlier today, "gip" is actually not present there for some reason.) We had this discussion earlier today. At any rate, Strong Bad actually types the word "gipped", and according to our [[HRWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]], what Strong Bad types is what we type, whether misspelled, nonsensical, or contrary to what he actually says (though in that last case, we also note what he actually says.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That's why I didn't put the slur under "Fun Facts" - I know lots of people would howl about it. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::[[http://www.google.com/search?q=gyp+roma+slur It's clear]]. Maybe not to lots of people in general, especially Americans, but it's not imaginary. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Even if we accept it, why does it matter to the topic at hand? Many dictionaries accept "gip" as a viable alternative. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Citations, please? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Why? I believe it's notable. Want me to find examples of SBEmail transcripts where similar things were noted? I'm only trying to note the spelling issue, not the slurring issue. That doens't belong in the transcript, but instead in Trivia or something. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gip] [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/gip.html] [http://www.bartleby.com/61/16/G0131600.html] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then it would be a valid precedent. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then I will happily remove it there too, 'cause I really don't think variants are notable. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::could i just say that gypsy type persons are not actually from egypt, and much prefer to be called roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 14:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: As you say, "Gypsy" all by itself is a slur, or at best insensitive. "Gyp" is a DOUBLE slur, then, as you clearly noted in your reference to stealing children (editlog comment). I'd say the verdict is in: this will make a KILLER Fun Fact. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Don't delete it, STUFF it (Roma Fun Fact: Real World References) ==

JAY:

Do you have some specific agenda against this subject, or, do you just not think the Fun Fact is true or notable?

It's not fair for you to take it upon yourself to determine its validity. Please either put it back or STUFF it so all can weigh in.

FYI everybody else:

Jay deleted the following from Real World References in Fun Facts.

* "Gipped" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Roma_people#Roma_and_crime|Roma]] ethnic group, who have been stereotyped for centuries as "thieving Gypsies".

[[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
: We've discussed it three ways to Thursday already. Not only is it of questionable veracity, but we don't need to explain the meanings of common words on this Wiki. I mean, we don't create facts like: "A [[Wikipedia:Tire|Tire]] is a round rubber wheel commonly placed on vehicles" on the [[Tire]] page, do we? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Why didn't you comment when I said I'd add this, instead of lurking, waiting to pounce to delete it? You win the edit war for now, because I won't continue it, but for you to participate in the discussion would have been way more classy. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Besides: You are wrong. This hasn't been discussed however many ways to whatday. This is a Fun Fact proposal. What we discussed before was the Transcript and the spelling, not the reference or the notability of ethnic slurs on the part of H*R characters and authors. Again: Please STUFF this. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Crap the what? Lurking?! I did no such thing! I simply saw a new edit on [[Special:Recentchanges]], decided it didn't work on the page, and reverted it. I didn't even look to see who added it! Next of all, your attacks toward me are unappreciated. And, no, I will not STUFF this. I don't see a reason to. No one else that I've seen supports adding this fact, at least not with the fever pitch you are supporting it with. If someone else with a user name decides that it's STUFFable, then they can, but I won't. You're really not in a position to make demands of me, you know. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::So, Jay: Am I to understand that when you deleted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=354672&oldid=354664 this], you had not seen [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:theme_song&diff=354631&oldid=354626 this]? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::That would be a fair assessment, yes. Though I question where you got the idea that "the verdict [was] in" that it was such a "KILLER" fact, given that I saw no consensus of the fact, since I did not see said edit, I did not personally respond. Frankly, I didn't even know the discussion had been moved off of my Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: That's why I thought you were lurking in wait. I indicated my intentions, then got denied in short order in editwarrior fashion when I carried it out. Regarding your selfrighteous crabbing about me not seeing the History comments defining a previous "consensus" (of two persons) on that subject, I'd say you better start practicing what you preach: Read the discussions - not least, the Talk page of the article you're watchdogging. I gave fair warning before posting my Fun Fact. Even if I had not, you can discuss it in your edit comment with something more communicative than "'''m''' ''(Reverted edits by 198.49.180.40 (Talk); changed back to last version by 68.54.154.79)''". It makes you look like a robot at best, an undemocratic snob at worst. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 23:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Dude, chill. Don't get personal. If you don't know how the HRWiki works, then don't blame others for it. I would have reversed those edits myself if Jay hadn't been faster; there was nothing wrong with what Jay did. If you really want this fact to be mentioned, then create a user account and STUFF it. But don't dish out insults here. There's really nothing further to talk about on this talk page.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I have a "rollback" button to revert edits; that's what created the nonspecific "reverted" summary. I try not to overuse it, but sometimes I just don't feel like taking the three extra steps to go back to a previous version just to revert something that people are likely to delete anyway. I mostly use it for vandalism, but sometimes (like in this case) just for issues that have been discussed in the past anyway. I'm sorry that you feel that this is somehow a personal issue. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, I have to say that I did agree with you, 198.49.180.40, until I read the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]] link. The connection may be notable if "gyp" really is a racial slur, but since it's questionable that "gyp" is derived from "Gypsies", there's nothing solid enough to form into a fun fact. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: So, WHY does "gyp" mean stealing or fraud, if it's NOT derived from that stereotype? Where DOES it come from? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I agree with you, Jay, but when I read your posts, the always seem to have a negative and rude air about them. Calm down, dude. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: He's been pushing this down my throat (and, to a lesser, degree, other people's throats, but he's singled me out specifically) since yesterday, ignoring all evidence against his viewpoint, and today he's attacking me directly by saying that I was "lurking" on the page and "pouncing" on his edit, and it's ''my'' posts that have a rude air about them. I hope you can understand if I'm a bit miffed by his attitude. As for his question, a possible etymology is discussed through a page linked on the Wiktionary. For all the references I've seen, they say the gypsy link is likely, but not that there's any evidence of it besides a spelling similarity. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: I have utterly, completely conceded to you on the SPELLING issue. That's NOT stuffing anything down anyone's throat. You WON that one, I'm DONE with it. NOW: regarding the Fun Fact, YOU are the one whose tactics evoke an editwar. Not only have you NOT chosen to discuss your knee-jerk, lightning-fast reverts, you have slandered me when forced inoto a discussion. I say again: STUFF it, don't delete it. Why can't you STUFF it? A reasonable person would STUFF it when disagreement on a Fun Fact comes up. I don't have anything to say about Cutepetsrus's accusation of rudeness. Leave me out of that please - it's not my fight. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: I'm not slandering you - my beef is that you DID force me into a discussion, and then you accused me (and still are accusing me!) of actions I did not take. If you want it STUFFed so badly, then create a user name and STUFF it. I'm not stopping you from doing that. I'll vote against it if you do, but I'm not standing in your way. (Someone ''will'' delete it if you don't create a user name; that's required of STUFF participants.) Often, Fun Facts get comments like "This is really Talk page material," for detractors, which is how I see this debate. Now then, my "lightning fast revert" was me seeing a new edit on Recent Changes, looking at it, noticing that it was an issue that is pretty much cleared up among all of the regulars, and reverting it. The regulars on this Wiki do things like that all the time. You are taking this way too personally - I would have no problem with you if not for all the yelling at me, but we've already discussed this fact (it came up once before you joined in) and decided against. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Where is that discussion, which you claim the "regulars" already had? It's not on '''this''' page. If you're gonna have a secret committee deciding this stuff, don't be surprised or selfrighteous when someone who didn't read the entire editlog comment history puts up something your Star Chamber already nixed. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It's in the History of the main article page. I'm not accusing you of being stupid or ignorant or whatever for not reading it; my point isn't that you didn't read it. If you didn't read it, you didn't read it. My point is that it happened. Thus, if you made the edit once, it was forgivable. Understandable, even. And, okay, I thought I had brought it up in the previous conversation (see above); apparently, I was mistaken in that, because I don't see it, and I'm sorry for that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it only makes sense to mention that "gipped" is an ethnic slur if we believe that the Brothers Chap did mean it that way. But as the annony said himself, this meaning might not be obvious to Americans, i.e. the Brothers Chap. Furthermore, they also used the less obvious "gipped" instead of "gypped", giving us even less reason to believe they meant it that way. I myself am not willing to accuse them of ethnic slander on the basis of such brittle assumptions.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

: I don't agree. It makes sense to mention it because it's a point of cultural significance, not because TBC '''know''' it's a slur or '''meant''' it as such. Furthermore it's an opportunity to educate. I'm not accusing anyone of insensitivity, I'm trying to bring it to light so ignorance isn't perpetuated. If my kid followed Strong Bad's example, I'd want him to know what he's really saying. Same with anyone who reads hrwiki.org. Believe me, countless Fun Facts are far less "notable" and far, far, far more '''obvious'''. And this '''would not''' be the first Fun Fact that TBC might not have known about. Far from it - accepted, notable Fun Facts are '''full''' of stuff that they didn't think of ahead of time. Of course, they're also full of stuff they '''did''' think of. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Jay, Trey56, Cute Pets R Us, and Loafing. The fact is it's very unlikely that TBC meant an ethnic slur. I have grown up with this word my whole life and didn't know until very recently (when I needed to know how to spell it) that it had any (possible) connection whatsoever with gypsies. If they didn't mean it other than the standard "swindled", then it's just not notable what the etymology is. Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a dork all the time, but we don't for a second believe that TBC are referring to the real meaning of that word. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, this has gone '''way too far'''. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The fact remains: unless you (198 or anyone else) can provide a source to support your stance that "gypped" is derived from "gypsy", to counter the [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link that has been mentioned several times], then it's ''not'' going to be a Fun Fact... we just don't quote things as ''fact'' that are in question among academics. And no, a link like [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=gyp this one] that just says "probably short for Gypsy" doesn't count... it's just an assertion, no actual evidence, and it still restrains it with "probably". If you do find one then it'll probably go to STUFF, since it becomes just a purely "is this notable" debate, but before then it's a discussion of facts and belongs on a talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Here's a discussion on possible origins for the word "gyp": http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/634.html; it does appear that no one knows just how it came into useage. Odd, for such a relatively recent word. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 23:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::in regard to the discussion about the word gyp itself, 3 things: the roma came to europe in the 1500, 2. in regard to the servants at the college, they had to get their name from somewhere, possiply it is derived from gypsy itself. 3. gee-up, this is a stupid derivation. they just wanted to continue to use the word and have a non-racial derivation to continue to use it. 4. in regard for its use being recent, and localized to the united states, while the origin of the word gypsy is in england, there is a possible link to early silent films trying to sensationalize things by using contraversial stereotypes. 5. three my lord three!! {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Interesting. Can you cite sources? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::nope, not a bit. however, all of those sites list gyp as being 'probably' derived from gypsy, which DOES MEAN that gyp is related to the racial stereotype of gyspies in the public consciousness. well, at leat the public that is conscious of it... btw, do we have any instances of where tbc have changed a toon based on something a fansite wrote about it? {{User:Csours/sig}} 04:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Re number 2: I [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link to here once again], which says that it comes "from the obsolete French ''jupeau''." As for most sources listing it as "probably from ''gypsy''", Fun Facts with "probably" in them tend to get axed unless they are especially relevant to the toon... and this isn't. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:yea, if there was any kind of discussion in the email or toon about ethnicity or things like that, this might be a fun fact. as it is, i would consider it ttatot. i DO happen to think that gypped or gipped (as you cant discern a difference between the pronounciations in american english they are the same word to me) is a racial slur against the roma people, but i do not think it is in any way pertinent to the discussion of this email, as most people do not have any idea that there is a real group of people called gypsies or roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Based on the comedy of... ==

I don't think that's just a reference to Jerry Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure that phrase is used on and about other sitcoms centered around a character played by a stand up comedian; I know they say "based on the comedy of Ray Romano" in the credits of Everybody Loves Raymond, and I've heard the phrase "based on the comedy of Bernie Mac" used in regards to The Bernie Mac Show. And then they used the phrase "based on the comedy of Gollum" on Saturday Night Live in the credits of the fictional sitcom "A Hard Hobbit to Break". but that last one's just the cough of a metaphorically dying poster who realizes he only has two barely credible citations for his argument. Then again, these could just be a few isolated events and my comments shall be criticized until destruction. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:As I wrote that Fun Fact, let me respond. Yes, ELR uses a similar credit. But this credit happens as Strong Bad is in front of a red brick wall. That's a direct reference to ''Seinfeld'', clearly. Why then would the credit be a generic reference when it's deliberately coupled with a specific one? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've also heard the phrase used for "Home Improvement", "Lucky Louie", "Schimmel", "Everybody Hates Chris", "The George Lopez Show", "I Love Lucy", "Fat Albert" and even "Merv the Perv" on Saturday Night Live. A simple Google search will show anyone that people use this phrase tons of times unrelated to Jerry Seinfeld! It may be a partial reference in the email seeing as the phrase is also used referring to "Seinfeld" but not completely! {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Strongbad111

Strongbad111 — Sun, 06 Aug 2006 01:38:22 GMT

Strongbad111:

Hello!

keep cool

Strongbad111 — Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:18:39 GMT

Strongbad111: /* Remarks */

{{sbenav|154|redesign|some kinda robot}}

[[Strong Bad]] explains how he keeps cool in the summer.

[[Image:Keep_cool.PNG|thumb|"Pool Time!"]]

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]], [[Bubs Concession Stand]], [[The Stick]], [[The Brick Wall]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Swimming Pool]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 31, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:33

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping}'' I'll take you back to a time when e-mail was king! ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: Oh man,,,</div>
How hot is it right now in Strongbadia? We're boiling over<br/>
here. What do you do to keep cool?<br/>
<br/>
Tom B<br/>
Sunnydale, CA
</blockquote>

''{After "Strongbadia", a record scratches, the screen dims and another Strong Bad appears.}''

'''SECOND STRONG BAD:''' Note to viewers:

''{Screen cuts to Strongbadia. A cutout in the shape of Strong Bad labeled "SB" is shown.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ''This'' is Strongbadia.

''{Screen cuts to Bubs' Concession Stand, with a similar cutout for Bubs labeled "bubs".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Not this...

''{Screen cuts to Strong Bad's basement, with a cutout of Strong Mad labeled "graw mad".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ... this...

''{Screen cuts to The Stick, with a cutout of Homestar labeled "ds".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ... or this.

''{Cut back to Strongbadia.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Just this.

''{Cut back to the still-dimmed Lappy.}''

'''SECOND STRONG BAD:''' We clear? Now gimme five.

''{The second Strong Bad holds up his left hand, and then disappears as the rest of the screen returns to normal and the original Strong Bad finishes reading the email. He reads "CA" as "Cactus Area."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm not exactly sure how hot it is round here, Tomby. But we do have an old-timey, made-uppy, no-worky way of finding out.

''{Cut to Strong Sad, sleeping on a brick wall. A book labeled "Mr. Chekhov" is next to him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' We carefully place a spoonful...

''{Strong Bad and Strong Mad rise from behind Strong Sad, and Strong Bad places a spoon of sauce on Strong Sad's head.}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ... of hoisin sauce on Strong Sad's disturbing soft-serve flip. And then we just... ask him.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey!

''{Strong Bad hits Strong Sad, who wakes up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Trundle bed, how hot it is right now?

'''STRONG SAD:''' Current temperature: ninety-seven, ninety-eight degrees. Humidity: twenty-five percent. ''{Strong Bad and Strong Mad slowly start to leave, making a tapping noise as they do.}'' Barometric pressure: thirty point oh five inches mercury. I'm gonna eat this spoonful of hoisin sauce.

''{Strong Sad grabs the spoon from off his head and eats the sauce. Cut to the edge of the wall, where Strong Bad and Strong Mad are standing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You hear that?! The high nineties!

''{Strong Bad pulls out a paper titled "Monkey D's Summer Tips". The screen cuts to a closeup of the paper.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know what that means!

''{Cut to Strong Bad and Strong Mad. Music starts.}''

'''STRONG BAD AND STRONG MAD:''' COOL TIME, POOL TIME!!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's the pool that we've always had... that we use all the time... and the school has always had an elevator!

''{Cut to Marzipan's couch. Marzipan is sitting on it. Homestar Runner pops up in the foreground.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Cool time!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Pool time!

''{Cut to Bubs' Concession Stand, where Coach Z is leaning on the counter.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Cool time?

'''BUBS:''' Pool time!

''{Cut to the Field, where Pom Pom and The Poopsmith are standing.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbles}''

''{The Poopsmith gives him the thumbs-up. Cut to the Pool. Strong Bad is sitting in the lifeguard's chair. Coach Z walks past in the background with a barrel over him. Bubs floats with inflatable toys on his arms. The Cheat skims across the surface of the water quickly twice. Cut to a closeup on Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, ya little sacks of crap, just so I never have to use this weird foamy thing, ''{He kicks a floatation device hanging from his perch.}'' lemme 'splain the pool rules.

''{A paper reading "POOL RULES" appears. Strong Bad reads along.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Welcome to our 'ool. (Notice there is no "Take a crap in it" in it. Please keep it that way. 

''{Cut to The Poopsmith, wearing a [[Nebulon]] flotation device and testing the water with his foot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Poopsmith, don't even try it.

''{A Nebulon-esque sound is heard as The Poopsmith hangs his head. Cut back to Strong Bad. The Pool Rules sheet returns, and the following rules get added with illustrations as Strong Bad mentions them.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Also, no rough-horsing, no house-rousing, no butt-patting.

'''COACH Z:''' ''{offscreen}'' Aw, nuts!

'''STRONG BAD:''' And no running, no diving, no swimming.

''{Cut back to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But that last one is not very widely enforced. But most importantly, after you eat, wait three full days, get a complete physical, have an ear candling, and press UP, A and START before re-entering the pool.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Strong Bad, what did you put in this pool water?

''{Strong Bad looks at Marzipan, whose ponytail has a green tinge and the very tip of it is burning away. The burning is slowly making its way up her ponytail, burning it off during the whole scene.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I dunno... chemicals, whatever was under the sink.

''{Cut to a pile of chemical containers and a bottle of Awesome Sauce.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You gotta put chemicals in the pool, right? That's what they say. ''{Pause}'' And that is ''all'' that they say.

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{suddenly smiling}'' Well, whatever it is, it's doing wonders for my hair. I can feel it tingling.

''{Cut to stormy clouds, faint flashes of lightning, and the sound of thunder. Cut back to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{in sing-song voice}'' Lightning. ''{in a normal voice}'' You guys know the drill.

''{Cut to Bubs, Strong Mad, and The Cheat leaving the pool}''

'''STRONG MAD and THE CHEAT:''' ''{groans and The Cheat noises}''

'''BUBS''': Man!

''{Homestar Runner, Coach Z, and The King of Town walk through the pool carrying a TV antenna, a barrel and golf clubs, and an umbrella, respectively. They stop in the middle of the pool.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER, COACH Z and THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{sighs and groans}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad talking with Bubs at the lifeguard chair}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So later on anybody wanna get together a game of "Sharks and Minnows"? "Einstein and Kreskin"? "Pregnant and seventeen"?

'''BUBS:''' ''{points toward the diving board}'' Uh-oh! Looks like we should have been playin' "Keep Strong Mad off the freakin' high dive for Pete's sake, man!"

''{Strong Mad jumps off of a high-dive}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' CANNONBALL!

''{Strong Mad takes the shape of a circle and splashes into the water. There is a short pause. Suddenly, all of the water is splashed out of the pool. Cut back to Strong Bad's computer. Strong Bad crashes in through the ceiling. Water splashes down on him. He looks up}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I should really just stop patching that hole. ''{typing}'' Well, it looks like pool season's over. Guess I have to start Back2School shopping. Get some new pencilholders... ''{Homestar can be heard in the background}'' stencil folders...

''{Homestar lands on top of Strong Bad}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Uh, Strong Bad, I think that total wave ruined your ool.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{groaning}'' Ah... breaky... spiney...

''{[[The Paper]] comes down}''

==Easter Eggs==
* Click on CA when Strong Bad says "Sunnyvale, Cactus Area" to see a menu:

<blockquote>
Cactus Area<br>
"The most boring Mexican restaurant on Earth"<br>

(Yes, we know what salsa is now!)</blockquote>

* Click on the Lappy's screen at the end to see Strong Sad continuing his weather forecast:

:'''STRONG SAD:''' Wind south-southwest at 10 miles per hour. Sunset at 8:45 PM. ''{the King of Town slowly comes up behind him}'' Baseball games at two and, uh, three. ''{King of Town puts a cherry on Strong Sad's head and pulls out a can of "Lard Wipt"}''

==Fun Facts==
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===Explanations===
*Strong Bad's explanation that Strong Badia consists only of the vacant lot he claimed as his own is probably for the benefit of emailers and others who mistakenly think that "Strong Badia", rather than [[Free Country, USA]], is the name for the region where he and the rest of the gang live.
*[[Wikipedia:Ear candling|Ear candling]], also known as ear coning, is a folk remedy performed by using the heat from a lit candle to melt accumulated ear wax and debris.
*[[Wikipedia:Hoisin sauce|Hoisin sauce]] is a type of Chinese dipping sauce made from soybeans, garlic and spices.

===Remarks===
*Either The Cheat does not smell bad when everyone gets out of the water (thus contradicting [[bottom 10]] in which his bad odor made #6 in Strong Bad's Bottom 10) or maybe chlorine water does not count as making The Cheat and he only smells bad in regular water.
*Surprisingly, at the end, Strong Bad does not complain about his "clavicus majorus", which is where he must have felt the most pain.
*The 'ool rules sing dosen't have a closing parenthise.

===Inside References===
*The "ds" on the Homestar Runner cutout probably stands for "Duckshirt" or "Dumbstar", two [[Nicknames#Homestar Runner|nicknames]] Strong Bad has used for Homestar in the past. However, it seems mostly implied that it is a poor phonetic spelling of the word "this", which Strong Bad says as he presents the examples of what Strong Badia is not.
*The Poopsmith uses a [[Nebulon]] floating tube; when Strong Bad tells him that he can't get in the pool, the Nebulon [[Sound Effects|sound effect]] ensues.
*Strong Bad previously fell through the roof in [[pom pom]].
*Graw Mad is a reference to [[the facts]].
*The disk in the [[Floppy Disk Container|floppy disk container]] is the same one found in [[disconnected]].
*Strong Bad's tan lines were first seen in [[lures & jigs]].
*The Cheat looks inflated while in the pool, which may be a reference to [[helium]].
*In the pile of chemicals we can see some "Roach Killa" from [[bedtime story]] and some "Awesome Sauce" mentioned in [[funny]] (though this is "Awesome Sauce for her").

===Real-World References===
*This email was released during an actual heat wave in the [[Wikipedia:2006 United States heat wave|United States]], Canada and much of [[Wikipedia:2006 European heat wave|Europe]].
*Strong Sad's book reads "Mr. Chekhov", a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Russia|Russian]] writer and physician [[Wikipedia:Anton Chekhov|Anton Chekhov]], as well as [[Wikipedia:Pavel Chekov|Pavel Chekov]], a character from [[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]] who was regularly referred to as "Mr. Chekov" by other crew members.
*The second item on "[[Monkey D]]'s Summer tips" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Slip 'N Slide|Slip 'N Slide]] water toy.
*The word, "ool" in "pool" may be a reference to the pilot episode of the [[Wikipedia:Cartoon Network|Cartoon Network]] TV show, ''[[Wikipedia:Codename: Kids Next Door|Codename: Kids Next Door]]''. That episode is entitled "[[Wikipedia:No P in the OOL|No P in the OOL]]".
*Strong Bad's advice to "press UP, A and START before reentering the pool" is a reference to the [[Nintendo|NES]] games [[Wikipedia:Metroid|Metroid]], [[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]], and [[Wikipedia:Zelda II: The Adventure of Link|Zelda II: The Adventure of Link]], in which the game's progress can be saved or a game progress password would be brought up by pausing (pressing "START") on the first controller and simultaneously pressing "UP" and "A" on the second controller. It is also a reference to the code from Kirby's Dream Land for the Game Boy in which you enter Up+A+Start on the title screen to play the game in "Extra Mode" where enemy sprites are different and it's harder.

==External Links==
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