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User talk:Sam the Man

Jangles5150 — Fri, 10 Aug 2012 04:41:41 GMT

Jangles5150: /**/dont Remember ME??? hahah!! i;ll

== User talk Stuff ==
StM, your edits [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Sam_the_Man&curid=32595&diff=575744&oldid=575743 here], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Sam_the_Man&diff=575748&oldid=575746 and here], are a little ridiculous. Not trying to be rude or worsen the situation, but if a user comes back, especially if he seems to not be making irrelevant edits, "Welcome back, vandal" doesn't seem like a warm welcome. As the links show above, It's dot com tried to inform you politely why you shouldn't post things like that on pages, and you rudely dis-acknowledged(bad wording, sorry) the notice. If memory serves me right, you've done stuff like this before. Please start taking note of these types of messages. Thanks, {{User:DevonM/sig}} 20:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Go away. I have a life. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::I'd watch your tone. You are sounding very antagonistic to this wiki's users right now. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Please, Sam, if you cannot post a constructive comment that moves this conversation in a positive direction, don't post yet. If you are angry, don't post. Please save your reply for when you can think straight and approach this topic with an understanding of what we are asking. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I can't take it anymore. I feel like a tool. I need to leave. I think I'll have a better life. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

==Fanstuff Block==
*I would be putting this on the Fanstuff Wiki, but I lost my password (fail). Anyway, you have completely lost yourself. You received a lot of positive comments on your talk page there. Unwelcomed? I guess you need to be roughened up a bit to know what "unwelcomed" means. Being rude and saying things like "I have a life" do not make you look smarter or any better than the other users around here. If you have a life, that's fine. So do we. If you are going to leave, go ahead. But it seems as if you keep coming back to cause some drama. Not cool, man. You have dreams of becoming a sysop. Let me tell you this, son: it takes more than being there to revert vandalism to be a sysop. You have to be fully grown and intelligent as a whole. You have to be able stay cool in all situations. You have to be trustworthy.
Please, think about what you are doing to yourself here. Sincerely, {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 01:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, Sam is pretty inactive here. I'd suggest posting this on his fanstuff user talk with your I.P. {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 01:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== im back!!!! ==

remember me?--{{User:Wichesbrew82/sig}} 19:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

== weclome back ==

hey sam, how have you been? since you helped me when i started, i've been making changes all over all sorts of talk pages. and i figured out how to make my sig! i also have 2 friends on the wiki. check out my page to find out who, because i'm afraid i'll spell their names wrong. oh, i don't even think you know who this is yet. it's Homsarstrongbad150, and even with that, i bet you don't remember. check my talk page, then you might remember. you were the first one on it. well, now i'm just typing nonsense, so, hopefully see you around the wiki,

{{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 00:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Oh I remember you. Yeah, I came back. Fresh from a break. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

==A New Message From Theyellowdart!==
*Welcome back on board. Enjoy yourself. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

==Sam==
Pssst. It's SI. Contact me on youtube instead of here, 'kay? To find me search "Youtube user parody" bye.

==Thanks==
Thanks for welcoming me to wiki way back when I joined. Wow...it's been over a year now. By the way, the colours of your userpage are kinda...retina-frying. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 23:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

== Pistols for Pandas ==

I suggest you change the Pistols for Pandas page to this revised link; [[Pistols For Pandas (organisation)|Pistols For Pandas]], as MHarrington created the toon page, and this is also a bit of a clean up. No creulty meant - just suggesting a way to make your page better! {{User:Jagger88/sig}} 11:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== You Dead? ==

Oh, Sam the Man ... I [[Pining|pine]] for you! {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 03:32, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== dont Remember ME??? hahah!! i;ll ==

come to get you, ill come to het me. you broke me up but i didnt make sure i fought it no longer hahhaah --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 04:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 04:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 04:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:37:18 GMT

Jangles5150:

[[Image:jangles personal image.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Me playing bass at a local club.]]

Yo i be Jangles.
peace.

'''[[User_talk:Jangles5150|my talk]]'''

'''[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|my contribs]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/sig|my signiture]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/userboxes|my userboxes]]'''

==about me==
yeah, and i pretty much am the coolest guy in school. and the best looking. im in a band, called propaganda. we played at the recher! oh yeah!

My first HSR-related thing I saw was the email [[army]], which was the newest email at the time, when some guy at my church showed it to me. Later that night at dinner, I was telling my parents about it, but I only saw that one email, and nothing else, so when they asked what it was about, I said "Some guy who checks his email". Later that night, I went back on and watched... [[Special:Random|I don't know]].

==Username==
The Jangles part came from the name of a frog that me and James(who is way funnier then all of you) caught and named. The 5150 part comes from the name of a [[Wikipedia:Van_Halen|Van Halen]] album. Now, Van Halen Fans will know that 5150 is a an album with Sammy Hagar on it. And he sucks! But, in my defense, there are no DLR albums that have #'s for names! (except 1984, which I just remembered). The End.

==My Contributions==
*[[Gibson Flying V]]
*[[Ketchup]]
*[[Pfargtl]]
*I also changes the links for "Homestar Naked" to [[Homestar Runner Naked]], and changed "Homestar Peeking" links to [[Homestar Runner peeking]], at the request of [[User:Trey56|Trey]].

==Some musicals==
i like the sex pistols, led zeppelin, black sabbath, the beatles,
the clash, the ramones, elvis presley, twisted sister, U2,
van halen, ac/dc, bob marley, lynyrd skynyrd, the grateful dead, and jmi hendrix. and CREAM!! and QUEEN!! and PAGE AND PLANT!!

==quotes! yay!==
yeah, so put your guess on my talk page. put the name of the movie and the character, or the song and
band.

ok, so

1)"Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird"-- [[Wikipedia:Surrender_Cheap_Trick_Song)|Surrender]], By [[Wikipedia:Cheap_Trick|Cheap Trick.]]

2)"Umm, Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to Move your desk into the basement"-- [[Wikipedia:Office_Space|Office Space]], Lumbergh says it to Milton.

3)"Mother! Oh God, mother! Blood! Blood!" [[Wikipedia:Psycho(1960_movie))|Psycho]], Norman Bates says it to his mother

4)"I love them Redheads!" Dazed and Confused.

5)"This is US history, I see the globe right there" Jeff Spicoli says it to Mr. Hand, [[Wikipedia:Fast_Times_At_Ridgemont_High|Fast Times At Ridgemont High]].

if you get it right ill put you on a list

==More quotes==
ok, these are movies, songs, and TV shows. For the songs, name the album, song, and artist. for Tv shows say the name of the show and the charecter. same thing for movies.

1)"Oh My God, They Killed Kenny!"(so easy its not funny) Kyle and/or stan, [[Wikipedia:South_Park|South Park]]

2)"Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, I'm about to lose, I'm about lose to my worried mind" "since ive been loving you", by [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin(band)|Led Zeppelin]], on the album [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin_III|Led Zeppelin III]].

3)"My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(charecter|Forrest Gump]], [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(movie)|Forrest Gump]].

==people who are... right==
put this

{|
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
on your page if you get one right

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} got #1 right!
:{{User:Trey56/sig}} got #2 right.
:::{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} got #3 right
{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} got #4 right
:{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}} got #5 right
::{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} got the other #1 right.
:::{{User:The Mu/sig}} got the other #3 right.
{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} got the third 1 and 2 right!
:[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] got the last #3 right.

==some harder quotes==
these are all movies. give the movie. thats it.

1)"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "[[Wikipedia:Grand_Theft_Auto_3|Grand Theft Auto 3]], dawg!" [[Wikipedia:Malibu's_Most_Wanted|Malibu's Most Wanted]].

2)"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!" The Guard, [[Wikipedia:Monty_python_and_the_holy_grail|Monty Python And The Holy Grail]]/

3)" Dude, on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being not so extreme and 10 being extremely extreme, I give this a 9.5!" Extreme Guy, [[Wikipedia:Harold_and _kumar_go_to_white_castle|Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle]]

==A one last quote. or two.==

1) "No one talks about you... as far as you know."

2) "Hey, what am I? I'm a zit! Get it?"

==Some cool people!==
{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} thats me!

{{User:Trey56/sig}} for helping me with my sig (see above) and for being a playa. and not a playa ''hata''. and for helping me with, like, everything. and for getting a quote right.

{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} for helping me with my sig. hes a playa too. he also got a quote right.

{{User:The Mu/sig}} for getting a quote right. a FORREST GUMP quote! that just makes him cool

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} for knowing his [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin|Zeppelin]].

{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} for getting ''2'' quotes right. Not just ''1'', but ''2''.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] for getting the LAST EVER QUOTE right.

User talk:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:31:24 GMT

Jangles5150: /* A Cleanup With Your Page */

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== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Jangles5150, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, {{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Your vote ==

Hey, your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Periodic_Table_of_Candy_Elements&curid=21317&diff=415841&oldid=306575&rcid=367045 opinion] is appreciated but note that the last edit to [[Talk:The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]] was in April. I think this vote was decided by now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Revenge is no way to go ==

I see you wrote a comment on the Old-Timey template. It was revengeful since you were trying to get revenge on me for Ketchup and The Decemberween Stick. Please don't use revenge on anybody just because they nominated or deleted your article. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} '''P.S''':Great ideas!
:Sam the Man, I'm seeing nothing vengeful in Jangles's comments, just arguments against that template's inclusion. Please [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Signature ==

If you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next to your username when you sign your name, you should get a signature. For more help, look at mine or click on signature on the help page. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Jangles, are you listening to me? Please get a signature if you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next your name on a talk page. If you put words+help next to your signature again, I don't know what will happen. It will be nothing bad. Please do so. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::why? What damage is it causing? words means talk, and helps means contributes. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No damage at all — creating a preset signature is only a convenience for you, not a requirement. If you decide you want to do this, [[Help:Signature|here are instructions]], but you're completely free to keep doing it manually if you want. Laters! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Wait, i don't understand: why was he mad about it? i already tried to make one, like a month ago, and it didnt work.--[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I don't think he's mad — I wouldn't worry about it. What didn't work? I'd be happy to help you out, if you'd like. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::i put some coler in it and changed the font, but when i tried it out it just said user:jangles5150/sig, and thats it. no link or anything. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Okay — go to [[Special:Preferences]], and make sure that <nowiki>{{User:Jangles5150/sig}}</nowiki> is on the "Signature:" line (and that the "Enable raw signatures" box is checked). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
ok. i will. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:I did. now what? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::Looks like it's working — nice work :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::How do i put icons and coler and stuff in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You can find all that info at [[Help:Signature]] — play around with it, and let me know if you encounter any specific issues, and I'd be happy to help. One other thing I'll mention if you're going to play around with it: right now, your sig is right on the edge of the [[HRWiki:Signature|maximum length]]. While you're changing it, it would be best if you could make it a tiny bit shorter (e.g. by putting "words" and "helps" in a smaller font). Here's a sigbox to let you know how you're doing:
::::{{sigbox|User:Jangles5150/sig}}
::::Anyway, have fun! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. i really appreciatiate it. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::You're welcome :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I get angry some times. I'm sorry. I wasn't mad or going to do anything. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
No worries man. it wont let me upload an image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm — you tried using [[Special:Upload]]? What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::No i have not.... but i will. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It just says '".bmp" is not a recommended image file format.'. soo, what does that mean? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, you need to save your image in a different format, like PNG or JPG. You can do that with MSPaint, I hear, if you're using a Windows computer. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Or [http://www.Irfanview.com Irfanview]. Way better then anything! Well, what image do you want? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::im using MSPaint for it. im using an image of homestars head, and the cheat. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What toon or sbemail? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
i got it off the internet. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:How about these images? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] and [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] — maybe they're not what you're looking for, but it would save you the trouble of uploading different ones... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::those are the exzact ones i was talking about. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll help you if you need it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::How about this? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] [[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User talk:Jangles5150|words]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::No, get rid of the words helps thing, and make hr's head on the left and link to my talk page, and put the C. on the right and link to my contribs. if its not too much. --Jangles5150
::::::Here's the section that explains what you're trying to do: [[Help:Signature#Changing the target of images' links]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
It didnt Work. --Jangles5150
:What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::I can't really explain. can you just give me the code and stuff and i can copy and paste it into my sig page. --Jangles5150
:::Sure: <code><nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]</nowiki></code> will produce

:::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]

:::Best, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks man. and you too Sam The Man. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Just one more question: How do i put color in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Here's what you're looking for: [[Help:Signature#Colors and fonts]]. You can find several three-digit color codes to replace "hexcode" with [[Help:Color codes|here]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::It worked. thanks. to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No problem. Keep on tranglin, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::No problem. Keep up the good work. Ketchup will be a page with no deletion! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
== Are you sure ==

Hey Jangles. I would really like you to join my club. I promise you I will help you with anything you want. If you wanted to be a sysop, would be kind of like me a little. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Sure man, I'll join your club. But your comment about sysops doesn't make sense to me. Thanks again for the help with my sig. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== I got one... ==

Number one is "Suurender" by Cheap Trick. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, dude! my bands doing that song. try some other ones. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ooh, #2 is [[Office Space]] — Lumbergh says that line to Milton. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

::Nice. yeah. thats it. i love that movie. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Ooh! Ooh! I know numba 3! It's [[Wikipedia:Psycho (1960 film)|Psycho]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yep. Norman bates says it. try some others! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 11:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Number 5 is Jeff Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

Number 4 is from "Dazed and Confused." Some guy called Wood[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] said that. Thank you [http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22I+love+them+Redheads!%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Google].{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 15:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:#1 is South Park and Cartman is saying that quote. Am I right? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::Yep. try some others. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That last one is from Harold and Kumar go to white castle. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah. thats right. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Member ==

Alright! Your a member! Please copy the userbox and have fun! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} (P.S) I want to be a sysop and I'm trying to act like one.
:Well who doesn't?! I would like to be one, but I don't know alot about wiki stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== I'm right ==

The "More quotes" #3 is spoken by Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks) in the movie [[imdb:0109830|''Forrest Gump'']]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::right. thats like my favorite movie. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:2) Led Zepplin I don't know what the song name is but my guess is "7 to 11" and it's about a guy who likes a girl enough to work that long each day. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, and it's Led Zepplin 2 on the album (or Led Zepplin II if you're picky) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::It is led zeppelin, but its on led zeppelin III, and the song is "since ive been loving you". it is about working from 7 to 11. it was voted the best guitar solo of all time. =)--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Quote box ==

Hey there Jangles — I like the [[User:Jangles5150/quotebox|userbox]] you made! Just a couple things. First, you should put it on your user page or your user talk page — this doesn't fall into one of the categories for [[HRWiki:User space|permitted user subpages#What about user subpages?]]. Secondly, if you want it to appear outside of the context of a userbox tower without generating those funny lines, just put <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>|}</nowiki></code> on separate lines above and below the code for the box. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lone Userboxes ==

Hey there Jangles. First, Let's Go Yankees!^_^ And second, I corrected your userbox quote. A userbox on a page not in a userbox tower are called lone userboxes and should have a <nowiki>{|</nowiki> at the beginning and a <nowiki>|}</nowiki> at the end. I give you this:
{|
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
Hope this helps. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Thanks. I'll change that, when I have time to. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

==Don't Bite==

Hey there Jangles — I think that {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Sam_the_Man/welcome&curid=33523&diff=451688&oldid=449304 this}} was an honest mistake I think it was an honest mistake — Sam didn't substitute his template, so when he said "Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it", TheDude probably thought he was supposed to delete the actual template. Just wanted to clarify that so that you didn't think that TheDude was necessarily doing something wrong. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:Also, you can be sure that it's not a good idea to be aggressive towards newcomers when a sysop has already posted something on their talk page. Please read [[HRWiki:Welcoming_committee#Don.27t_Bite]], thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, Loafing, I had was the first one to put something about it on there. And about not biting new users: I recall on the first day I joined this wiki, I went and created something called "The Addition Comittee". And I got yelled at, with people saying things like "We already have an Addition Comittee: every user!" and such. And I recieved no sympathy. It was my first day, and I thought "Well, since I'm new, I'll show them my skillz" and I tried to, and I got yelled at for it. The End. Also, how did TheDude find the subpage? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Looking back at [[HRWiki talk:Addition Committee]], I can see why that was discouraging for you, especially as a new user. Point taken: we can all stand to be more cordial and patient with newcomers.

:::The reason why it was so easy for TheDude to jump to the template was that when Sam didn't substitute his welcome template, an edit link appeared on TheDude's user page that took him straight there. So, when he thought he was clearing his talk page (as the welcome message invited him to), he accidentally deleted Sam's template. That's why it's important to substitute things like welcome messages.

:::Anyway, I hoping that clears things up. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh. Well ,it's like they say "you learn something new every day" or something like that. A'ight (That's [[Wikipedia:Baltimore|Balmereese]] for alright), thanks again. Peace. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::guys, i don't what a template or subpage are so it was totally unintentional. I did manage to find my way here... sorry sam, it was an accident. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 20:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Not a problem. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Man, I feel like a total jerk. I'm not [[User:Sam_The_Man|Sam]] though. I'm really sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::no sweat, don't feel like a jerk, and sorry for calling you sam. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 21:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, and I take no offense from being called Sam. He is a very accomplised wiki-user. Also, when I was like 5 or 6, I would always yell at my mom for not naming me Sam. I liked that name. Also, I noticed that you don't yet have a signiture. Take a look at [[Help:Signature|this]] for details. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:You know, a fancy sig is not mandatory, and not everyone needs (or wants) one. More than once I've seen very new users make a sig identical to the default, and when I mentioned that that was pointless and they ought to get rid of the subpage for it, immediately go spice it up like a fancy sig was a requirement. Sure I have one, but only because it's really long and messy in edit mode when you change the font, which is all I really did. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

::It was just a suggestion. I was just thinking that the name "TheDude" would look very awexome. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 10:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hey there. Just saying thanks for calling me a accomplised wiki-user and to say that TheDude has a very good userpage. I should say this in TheDude's userpage. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

::::You are very good with this wiki stuff.I personally don't have the patience to do all that fancy stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== E-mail ==

Hey Jangles. I was wondering if you had an E-mail address. If you do, please E-mail from [[The Paper]] userbox thing on my page. Thank You for understanding, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:I do have an email address, I did email you, and I also put the email box on my page. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== OMG!!! The quote!!! ==

'''"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "Grand Theft Auto 3, dawg!"'''

That is soooooooooo from [http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malibu%27s_Most_Wanted Malibu's Most Wanted] And remember, "Gamecast". So good! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:56, 5 May 2007

Also '''"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!"'''

That would be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail Monty Python and the Holy Grail]. A-thank you! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:30, 5 May 2007

:Those are both correct. Very good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Grab this while you still can (May 7, 2007) ==

This is your chance to do up [[Subtitles:sbemail171/en]] while you still can . I'm handing the chance over to you after I saw your post over at [[User talk:Trey56|Trey56's talk page]].

Just put a <nowiki>{{pageinprogress}}</nowiki>tag in, and look at the [[Subtitles]] article for guidelines.

--Be quick, [[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 22:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This SBEmail's quite simple, though you may be put in a rush by the many others waiting. As well, be careful with the code. And yes, I ''will'' be in check to improve on things further if need be. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::I wasn't looking for something ''that'' important to do. I meant stuff like making templates, or working on transcripts, for example. Thanks for the offer, though! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Something to do ==

Hey there, Jangles. I remembered that you had [[User talk:Trey56#SBemails|asked me for things to do]], and I thought of one. I just moved two articles: [[Homestar Peeking]] to [[Homestar Runner Peeking]] and [[Naked Homestar]] to [[Naked Homestar Runner]]. This means that someone needs to go through the pages listed on [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Homestar_Peeking]] and [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Naked_Homestar]] and update the links on those pages.

If you're interested, go ahead and work on those projects. The one thing I would suggest is that you leave any links on User or User Talk pages untouched. Also, I'd leave them untouched on [[Category talk:Homestar Runner running gags]], since that's where the discussion originated.

If you don't feel like doing this, just let me know, no problem. I just remembered you were looking for things to do and thought you might be interested. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'll do it, but mabye not all at this exact moment. I'll see what I can do, though. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

::Sounds great :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Alright, I'm back. Just saw Spiderman 3. I got the Homestar Peeking thing, but couldn't find the one on [[The Paper]]. I'll get the Naked Homestar as soon as possible. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I got all of them. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Nice work! By the way, how did you like ''Spider-Man 3''? I'm really looking forward to seeing it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::''Way'' better then the first 2. The Sandman was cool, as was Venom. I think in Spider-Man 4 there going to put in either Electro, or The Rhino. Personally, I would like to see him fight the Fantastic Four. But it was a very good movie. I'm trying so hard to not reveal anything right now. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Happy B! ==

Happy 100th Birthday, Strong Bad! I mean 13th. And Jangles. Eat more cake, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. I ate half a cheesecake last night, but I'll still have some more. I like cake. It's good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::So are you gonna upload a personal image of yourself today? (And Happy Birthday by the way) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let me unveil my master plan: I will 1)drop my grapes, 2)tell Homestar Winner that I already did that, and 3) eat some more cake. I already uploaded the image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Happy late Birthday Jang-Jang (Is it all right if I call you that?). The big 1-3 Eh. 2 more years and I'm a teenager. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 13:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Jang-Jang won't work. Sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Honesra Runner ==

<blockquote class="tandy email">Hi Jangles5150, 
If you hate Honesra so much, 
why don't you kill him? 
-[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]]</blockquote>

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D lol at the typo.
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:I didn't think anyone had seen that. I should really stop putting "oops" in my edit summaries. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== A Cleanup With Your Page ==
Hey there Jangles5150. I see you have [[Gibson Flying V|1]], [[Ketchup|no wait, 2]] good contributions. I would like to suggest to start a contributions part to your userpage. People can find your hard work you put into those pages. Also maybe a cleanup too. Just express your mind. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:OK, I'll do that. Great idea. Thanks, {{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

User:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:04:41 GMT

Jangles5150: some more quotes

[[Image:jangles personal image.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Me playing bass at a local club.]]

Yo i be Jangles.
peace.

'''[[User_talk:Jangles5150|my talk]]'''

'''[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|my contribs]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/sig|my signiture]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/userboxes|my userboxes]]'''

==about me==
yeah, and i pretty much am the coolest guy in school. and the best looking. im in a band, called propaganda. we played at the recher! oh yeah!

My first HSR-related thing I saw was the email [[army]], which was the newest email at the time, when some guy at my church showed it to me. Later that night at dinner, I was telling my parents about it, but I only saw that one email, and nothing else, so when they asked what it was about, I said "Some guy who checks his email". Later that night, I went back on and watched... [[Special:Random|I don't know]].

==Username==
The Jangles part came from the name of a frog that me and James(who is way funnier then all of you) caught and named. The 5150 part comes from the name of a [[Wikipedia:Van_Halen|Van Halen]] album. Now, Van Halen Fans will know that 5150 is a an album with Sammy Hagar on it. And he sucks! But, in my defense, there are no DLR albums that have #'s for names! The End.

==Some musicals==
i like the sex pistols, led zeppelin, black sabbath, the beatles,
the clash, the ramones, elvis presley, twisted sister, U2,
van halen, ac/dc, bob marley, lynyrd skynyrd, the grateful dead, and jmi hendrix. and CREAM!! and QUEEN!! and PAGE AND PLANT!!

==quotes! yay!==
yeah, so put your guess on my talk page. put the name of the movie and the character, or the song and
band.

ok, so

1)"Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird"-- [[Wikipedia:Surrender_Cheap_Trick_Song)|Surrender]], By [[Wikipedia:Cheap_Trick|Cheap Trick.]]

2)"Umm, Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to Move your desk into the basement"-- [[Wikipedia:Office_Space|Office Space]], Lumbergh says it to Milton.

3)"Mother! Oh God, mother! Blood! Blood!" [[Wikipedia:Psycho(1960_movie))|Psycho]], Norman Bates says it to his mother

4)"I love them Redheads!" Dazed and Confused.

5)"This is US history, I see the globe right there" Jeff Spicoli says it to Mr. Hand, [[Wikipedia:Fast_Times_At_Ridgemont_High|Fast Times At Ridgemont High]].

if you get it right ill put you on a list

==More quotes==
ok, these are movies, songs, and TV shows. For the songs, name the album, song, and artist. for Tv shows say the name of the show and the charecter. same thing for movies.

1)"Oh My God, They Killed Kenny!"(so easy its not funny) Kyle and/or stan, [[Wikipedia:South_Park|South Park]]

2)"Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, I'm about to lose, I'm about lose to my worried mind" "since ive been loving you", by [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin(band)|Led Zeppelin]], on the album [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin_III|Led Zeppelin III]].

3)"My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(charecter|Forrest Gump]], [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(movie)|Forrest Gump]].

==people who are... right==
put this

{|
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
on your page if you get one right

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} got #1 right!
:{{User:Trey56/sig}} got #2 right.
:::{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} got #3 right
{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} got #4 right
:{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}} got #5 right
::{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} got the other #1 right.
:::{{User:The Mu/sig}} got the other #3 right.
{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} got the third 1 and 2 right!
:[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] got the last #3 right.

==some harder quotes==
these are all movies. give the movie. thats it.

1)"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "[[Wikipedia:Grand_Theft_Auto_3|Grand Theft Auto 3]], dawg!" [[Wikipedia:Malibu's_Most_Wanted|Malibu's Most Wanted]].

2)"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!" The Guard, [[Wikipedia:Monty_python_and_the_holy_grail|Monty Python And The Holy Grail]]/

3)" Dude, on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being not so extreme and 10 being extremely extreme, I give this a 9.5!" Extreme Guy, [[Wikipedia:Harold_and _kumar_go_to_white_castle|Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle]]

==A one last quote. or two.==

1) "No one talks about you... as far as you know."

2) "Hey, what am I? I'm a zit! Get it?"

==Some cool people!==
{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} thats me!

{{User:Trey56/sig}} for helping me with my sig (see above) and for being a playa. and not a playa ''hata''. and for helping me with, like, everything. and for getting a quote right.

{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} for helping me with my sig. hes a playa too. he also got a quote right.

{{User:The Mu/sig}} for getting a quote right. a FORREST GUMP quote! that just makes him cool

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} for knowing his [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin|Zeppelin]].

{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} for getting ''2'' quotes right. Not just ''1'', but ''2''.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] for getting the LAST EVER QUOTE right.

User:Jangles5150/userboxes

Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 20:27:31 GMT

Jangles5150: someone please patrol this

"Never fear Strong Bad, I know how to fix your userbox!" -[[virus]] (sorta)

{{userboxtop}}
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User:Jangles5150/userboxes

Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 20:27:02 GMT

Jangles5150: someone please patrol this

Talk:Strong Badia

Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 19:43:31 GMT

Jangles5150:

{{featuredarticle}}
==Strong Badia or Strongbadia==
I've always wondered, exactly where does the spelling of Strong Badia as one word come from anyway? I've always considered it to be two words, but I guess that must not be the case --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 10:05, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, with 'Tavi we kind of dodged this by having the page called StrongBadia. If I'm not mistaken, it has been spelled both ways. I think it Strong Bad typed it out in [[colonization]] as "Strong Badia" and in [[army]] as "Strongbadia". Maybe we could go though the Wiki and find out all the different places it is spelled certain ways and put something about that in the article. The article as it is now could sure use some more information.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:26, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

::I think 'cause of the stop sign saying "Strong Badia" that it's two words.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|StrongstarRunbad]] 19:03, 4 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Spelt with a space (Strong Badia):
:::*The Sign
:::*[[flag day]]
:::*[[2 years]]
:::*[[local news]]
:::*[[colonization]]
:::*[[army]]
:::*[[space program]]
:::*[[little questions]]

:::Spelt without a space (Strongbadia):
:::*[[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]

:::So, more often then not, Strong Badia is spelt with the space. So... what are going to do about the lots of pages on the wiki that have it spelt without the space? - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::As much as I don't like it, I guess we could take it to [[User:GrapeNuts|the Grape-Nuts robot]] or something. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::If I'm not mistaken, in [[monument]] Strong Bad spells it without a space. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::He doesn't actually type it. It cuts to the Stop Sign just before he types it. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Wait, the Strong Bad Sings cover has Strong Badia, not Strongbadia (possibly TBC changed it). I could scan it in, if anyone likes. If there is no sighting of Strongbadia, the other spelling should be removed. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 16:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
:Definitely 2 words. I'll scan it now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}}
[[Image:SBSings001.jpg|20px|thumb|The only instance of Strongbadia, which was false.]]
::With the evidence presented to the court, the judge(SB Sings image) to determine the sentence. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 17:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
::*I can't get the scan to work. Sorry. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Yet I can. Gimme a few minutes. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:23, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
And, I think I know how that happened. People searched the wiki, which had the incorrect title. I fixed it about a week ago. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
:Wait-my Compy's Flash is broken, so someone watch these: [[ghosts]],[[monster truck]],[[local news]],[[Population: Tire]],[[space program]], and [[myths & legends]]. These are instances of Strongbadia, and must be checked. I'll try. Cheet helps. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|-
! width=50 | Yes or no? !! width=150 | Title !! width=220 | Signed By
|-
| Not by Strong Bad || [[ghosts]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|-
| No, two words || [[monster truck]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|-
| No, two words || [[local news]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 20:00, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|-
| Yes || [[Population: Tire]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 20:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|-
| Not by Strong Bad || [[space program]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 20:08, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|-
| No || [[myths & legends]] || {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 20:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
|}

So, I think we can safely say that there is only one recorded account of Strongbadia, while there are several accounts of Strong Badia. Anyone's thoughts? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 20:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
:And the one "STRONGBADIA" is in a Videlectrix game, which is not necessarily accurate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:36, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
::True. And Strong Bad is spelt with two words. It's ''kinda'' a reference. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 00:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

==title==
we dont acctualy know if strongbadia doesn't have the pop:tire, bundt cake pan, and coach z
cuase we havent seen it since before, september 2005! any comments?-[[User:Timmy!]]
:May I suggest, Timmy, that you run your contributions through the Spelling and Grammar check on Word before submitting? The changes were just SB's imagination. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

==Dumpster?==
In the description of Strongbadia, it says it is the field behind the dumpster, but I don't see a dumpster anywhere. I don't think there is a dumpster in any cartoons. Should this be noted in the article? [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt?]] 10:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... I guess you could note that. Maybe the dumpster is behind the fence. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
::Maybe the dumpster is behind ''us''! I.e. the camera. (And my hunch is it's a dumpster for Bubs'.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Or on the right of Strongbedia, the part behind the black. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Ground or floor? ==

Is the ground dirt or floorboards?
:Sure looks like ground to me... Really well-tilled ground, but still ground. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== The land of strong badia ==

Strong badia, lucious with... nevermind, where is strong badia anyway? This is a question we all ask, It would be awesome if some things were added to strong badia, pluss, if the stick is the best place for hanging out, then what is the point of strong badia? Well, I just think that there should be more toon involving strong badia, and maybe add some trogdorness to the scene of strong badia.-ken

:I always assumed that Strong Badia was just the vacant lot behind the Brothers Strong's house. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 00:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

== Variations ==

Is it possible that we can add pictures to the different variations? Like the Puppet version, the Powered by The Cheat version and any others. - ''[[User:Maggot Man|Maggot Man]] ''([[User talk:Maggot Man|talk]]) 21:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)''
:It doesn't look like any more pictures could fit on this page. If the "variations" pictures are interesting enough though, you could try replacing maybe the Action News and tire pictures with them and see if that's better. --[[User:Garfunkel|<TT>Garfunkel</TT>]] 21:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::No, no no. I didn't want to ''revome'' any pics, unless we have to. I think i has the solution though. I was going to suggest a gallery for them. ''[[User:Maggot Man|Maggot Man]] ''([[User talk:Maggot Man|talk]]) 21:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)''

:::Is theses good enough?
<gallery>
Image:Mpstrongbadia.PNG|A Mario Paint version of Strong Badia as seen in Strong Bad is a Bad Guy.
Image:Puppetstrongbadia.PNG|The Puppet version of Strong Badia from alternate universe.
Image:Pbtcstrongbadia.PNG|Strong Badia as seen in mile.
</gallery>
[[User:Maggot Man|Maggot Man]] ''([[User talk:Maggot Man|talk]]) 22:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Cool, looks good to me. --[[User:Garfunkel|<TT>Garfunkel</TT>]] 22:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

== Unnatural Attack ==

We already have the Homstarmy's attack listed in Strongbadia's history, but should we add the damagescaused by "King Bubsgonzola"?
:I think that would be good. I mean, the email was specifically about the disasters in Strong Badia. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== This is Strong Badia. Not this. Or this. ==

Should we have a section about people mistaking Strong Badia for Free Country? Someone suggested an article about it [[Talk:unnatural|here]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:How's this title: Not Quite Strong Badia. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

==Seperate country?==

Is Strong Badia a seperate country than FCUSA? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

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Jangles5150: undid revision 460617 by Drsandsattwo (Talk)why'd he delete that?

{{sbenav|172}}

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' Strong Bad, The Cheat, Strong Mad, Strong Sad, King of Town, Poopsmith, Homestar

'''Places:'''

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, May 21, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 3:40

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
{{transcriptinprogress|Sam the Man}}
'''STRONG BAD:''' Bring to me a suitable email, that I may ckeck it down.

==Easter Eggs==

*Click on "Shady Missionaries" to see a Taranchula album of the same name.
*At the end, click on tito the Tophatician to see a video clip.

(The Cheat is standing in front of a sign that reads "Meet TV's Firebert!")

(The Cheat sighs, then replaces "Firebert" with "Trogdor" as hundreds of people come running up)

==Fun Facts==

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad's claim he already said Strong Badia needs no army references [[army]].
*The Cheat's Tito costume is from [[part-time job]].
*The music during the Tito scene is from [[Strongest Man in the World]].
*The Municipality was previously used in [[disconnected]].
*At the end of the email, the paper comes down looking in bad shape. This is a reference to [[montage]], where it's stated that the paper stuck around until email 173, which is the next one.

===Real-World References===
*The Municipality video closely resembles a commercial for the US Marines.

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|172|{{{2|Forum Link Number Here}}}}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

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Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 19:34:54 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Easter Eggs */

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Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 19:26:46 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Easter Eggs */

{{sbenav|172}}

'''Cast (in order of appearance):'''

'''Places:'''

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:'''
May 21st, 2007
'''Running Time:'''

'''Page Title:'''

==Transcript==
{{transcriptinprogress|Sam the Man}}
'''STRONG BAD:''' Bring to me a suitable email, that I may ckeck it down.

==Easter Eggs==

*Click on "Shady Missionaries" to see a Terantula album of the same name.

==Fun Facts==

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|172|{{{2|Forum Link Number Here}}}}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

HRWiki:Recent changes patrol

Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 00:34:59 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Members */ crap. i was already on

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== Members ==
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# [[User:Mibluvr13|Mibluvr13]] 18:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] 21:03, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:07, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]] 21:26, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:48, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 13:22, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:57, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:StrongbadfanEX|StrongbadfanEX]] 01:09, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 01:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 21:43, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 01:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 12:58, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 00:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:TheYellowDart|TheYellowDart]] 11:47, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:The Lurker|The Lurker]] 21:57, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 01:26, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]] 13:42, 16 May 2005(UTC)
# [[User:Bad Graphics Ghost|Bad Graphics Ghost]] 15:34, 16 May 2005(UTC)
# [[User:Lord Karkon|Lord Karkon]] 00:30, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 21:22, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 21:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:00, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 10:50, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:Eh steve|Eh steve]] 07:41, 4 June 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] 15:11, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Goblin Hammer|Goblin Hammer]] 15:30, 12 Jul 2005(UTC)
# [[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 17:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 14:30, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 22:15, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]] 20:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] 12:49, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Stlong Mad|Stlong Mad]] 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Lapper|Lapper]] 14:16, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] 23:13, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Someone|Someone]] 11:07,Tue Sep 20, 2005
# [[User:Lil Stiny|Lil Stiny]] 1:44, fri Sep 23, 2005
# [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 00:08, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:Stephen923|Stephen923]] 23:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Fhqhwgads|Fhqhwgads]] 21:47, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 04:06, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Invisible_Robot_Fish|Invisible_Robot_Fish]] 13:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]] 14:06, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Some guy from the zoo!|Some guy from the zoo!]] 03:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] 21:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Bozar|Bozar]] 19:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 23:54, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:DBK|Dantheburgerking]] 16:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] 02:37, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]] 06:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Teh_Frossty_One|Teh_Frossty_One]] 18:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:30, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 08:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
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# [[User:Benol|Benol]] 21:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Salty|Salty]] 00:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:42, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt?]] 17:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]] 19:29, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Seriously|seriously]] 04:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Bobitha|Bobitha]] 13:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
# [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] 02:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Trendy Totebag|Trendy Totebag]] 18:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:The thing|The thing]] 22:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] 18:13 14 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Juandor|Juandor]] 18:54 14 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Darth Katana X|Darth Katana X]] 05:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Gnome of Fury|Gnome of Fury]] 16:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry muffin]] 01:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Trey56|Trey56]] 20:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
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# [[User:LePorello|LePorello]] 23:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
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# [[User:Tampo|Tampo]] 23:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
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# [[User:Laramie|Laramie]] 02:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Redsportscar323|Redsportscar323]] 01:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Dacheatbot|Dacheatbot]] 21:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Young Roy|Young Roy]] 17:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Sluggy42|Sluggy42]] 22:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 23:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User: Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 22:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:The very strongest|The very strongest]] 12:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 20:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:PoweredByHomsar|PoweredByHomsar]] 01:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Grit7|Grit7]]18:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Kirbyfan5765|Kirbyfan5765]] 23:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Crap4Brains|Crap4Brains]] 09:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:HRfan222|HRfan222]] 20:37, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Lopp3|Lopp3]] 22:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:DesignByRazor|DesignByRazor]] 10:42, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Bassbone|Bassbone]] 08:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Raptor5ix|Raptor5ix]] 01:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:CoachD|CoachD]] 22:53, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Einstein runner|Einstein runner]] 01:05, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:ItalianBallerina|ItalianBallerina]] 20:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Wiki grrl|Wiki grrl]] 19:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Ten Ten|Ten Ten]] 00:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Mind flux|Mind flux]] 11:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Kupo Runer|Kupo Runer]] 03:34, 7 May, 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Zachio|Zachio]] 14:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 17:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Raythine|Raythine]] 14:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
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# [[user:Mariofreak|Mariofreak]] 21:29, 29 July, 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Bleed0range|Bleed0range]] 01:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Thnikaman55|Thnikaman55]] 02:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Super Martyo Brother|Super Martyo]] 03:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Cutepetsrus|Cutepetsrus]] 15:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 18:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 11:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Geshmalderborgen|Geshmalderborgen]] 22:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
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#[[User:Shwoo|Shwoo]] 12:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 03:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Saddy Dumpington|Saddy Dumpington]] 17:39, 30 December 2006
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#[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] 15:48, 24 January 2007
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#[[User:Kahteh|Kahteh]] 13:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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#[[User:The blinking!|The blinking!]] 20:05, 06 March 2007 (UTC)
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#[[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]] 16:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
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#[[User:Panamon Creel|Panamon Creel]] 11:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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HRWiki:Recent changes patrol

Jangles5150 — Mon, 21 May 2007 00:34:17 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Members */ added myself

Talk:Damp Towel Man

Jangles5150 — Sun, 20 May 2007 19:15:27 GMT

Jangles5150: /* What to do? */

{{talktobedeleted}}

==What to do?==

'''Merge''' it, either with [[Coach Z]] or [[Strong Badman]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:'''Merge''' with [[Strong Badman]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
'''Merge''' (I don't know which one to merge it with though). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
::MERGE? Okay, I completely disagree. I think we should really just MENTION it. I mean, first off, this is written like fanstuff. Or something else very unencyclopedic. I think a simple "According to Coach Z, he is the "legendary" Damp Towel Man, who collects damp towels from across the universe. However, this is probably just a joke, and not canon." I vote '''mention''', and I don't even know or care if that's an option. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 04:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree... this and Dry Ragamuffin probably deserve a sentence or two in [[Strong Badman]], and possibly a sentence in [[Coach Z]], but nothing more. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
::::'''Leave as is'''. All the other Strong Badman characters have their own pages, and have nearly the same amount of info. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Agree'd with DorianGray. This page needs a rewrite though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 05:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Serious rewrite... (When I wrote "leave as is", I hadn't actually looked at the page yet...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I Don't Know Why The Guy Who Made This Article Chose To Capitalize Every Single Word In It. That's Really Silly. *ahem* Sorry. I think we should at least merge part of this article with the [[Coach Z]] one. Although, it's already mentioned in [[Alter Egos]]...hmm. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 10:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::If this gets merged, so should [[Stiny]], [[Grossman]], [[Deutschman]] and [[The Deutsch Master]]. So '''No Merge'''. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::'''no merge''' for the reasons already stated. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:12, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
I feel the Strong Badman villains should get their own spotlight, and i don't mind separate pages, including this one ('''keep'''), but how about a page called [[Strong Badman Villains]] merging all of them there? Just throwing idea around. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:But damp towelman isn't a villian, he's a good guy. Dry ragamuffin would belong there but not this. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::So how about [[Strong Badman Characters]] so we can include Stainy. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree with E.L. Cool, we should do a separate pago for StrongBadman's characters, but if that can't be done/made/be an option, then '''MERGE''' with Coach Z. --{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 17:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I think the best plan is to '''MERGE''' Grossman, Deutschman, The Deutsch Master and Stiny (but not Stainy) '''INTO "Strong Badman Characters"'''. If that doesn't work out, then we take no action and '''LEAVE IT''' how it is. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree with EL Cool, in saying that there should be a page for the Strong Badman villans, and the SBM "heroes", if they can even be called that. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:User space

Jangles5150 — Sun, 20 May 2007 18:12:13 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Fake new message notifications */ that's what im here for

== Discusion of User Pages ==

I may have read it wrong, but I don't think that our discussion pages have to be about Homestar Runner-realated material. It's kind of defeats the purpose. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

i kinda agree
anonmis contributor

== User image ==

I know you can only have 1 user image, but can you have a second image for your sig?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 16:43, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Easter eggs? ==

We cover secret pages here, but what about pages that '''are''' linked to from the userpage, but not visibly? Pages that serve no real use? What should be done with those? --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 22:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:I'm guessing the user space rules do not really permit "Easter egg" pages. Note that it says:

<blockquote>The following uses are NOT allowed, and will be deleted if created. 
... 
pages that do not serve the project</blockquote>

:This means that unless such a page serves the project, its creation is against this policy. Making one's user page into a game of sorts isn't really "serving" the project in any real way. You can get a free webspace to do that sort of thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

== Mixed messages ==

We've kind of got two conflicting messages being sent. In [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk:Guestbooks&diff=255140&oldid=254401 this] edit, we say unequivocally, "You should ''not'' encourage to edit your user page, for any reason." Here on this page, we say, "In general, avoid editing another's user page without their permission, but feel free to correct any linking errors that might confuse readers. However, some users are fine with their user pages being edited, and may even have a note to that effect." ... and later, "Other users may edit pages in your user space, although in most cases it is done for a specific reason; casual editing of another's user page is discouraged." Now the context in the second sentence is elaborating the ways in which your page isn't your private, sovereign domain, but perhaps we can word these so that someone can't say "Well, it says here you can have a note encouraging people to edit, and there that you shouldn't!". The intent is that it's okay for people to correct typos here and there (and explicitly welcome that), but not okay to just say, "Hey everybody! This is the other Sandbox! Go nuts!" I'd suggest just removing the "However, some users..." sentence; if it's talking about typo correction it's redundant with the previous sentence, and if it's talking about anything bigger, it would seem our current POV doesn't really agree with such users. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
:I've moved and reworded those sections to bring them in line with our current practice, which could be summed up as "just don't unless you've got a compelling reason." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== Casually editing userpages ==

The new rule regarding that S-U-C-K, sucks. I'm sorry if that sounds extremely rude, but the only reason that the guestbook law got accepted is because admins and sysops got everyone thinking that they would be able to invite users to edit their userpage (or something like that). This is a Homestar Runner wiki, so why must you guys relentlessly make it as legalistic as possible? {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:Users are invited and encouraged to utilize other users' user talk page for communication. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

::Katana, the guestbook situation was dealt with because ''users'' (not necessarily sysops) recognized a problem and took care of it. Furthermore, we don't try to make the wiki as legalistic as possible. In fact, I hate that we have rules about user pages and signatures and personal images. The vast majority of users, if left to themselves, would never abuse the system. Unfortunately, there are enough people who would (and have) abused the system that we have had to put some rules in place. Therefore, one could say we are as legalistic as ''necessary''. Given that user pages are not and should not be the focus of this wiki, I think that ultimately the rules we have make this a better project overall. (By the way, if you have any doubt whether what you have typed "sounds extremely rude", then why not try ''phrasing it differently''.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

:::OK, dude, I understand now. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

== Username Policy ==
Do we have a page outlining ''user name'' selection policy? I thought we did but I don't see it [[:Category:HRWiki Policy|here]]. It should be catted, linked here, and also from the intro/tour/stick, etc. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:The username guidelines are at [[MediaWiki:Loginend]], which is what you see when you're actually creating a username. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== Uploaded images subpages ==

I've noticed that several users have subpages featuring the images they've uploaded; in fact, I had one for a while. I'm now wondering if these pages should be removed in line with the [[HRWiki:User space#What about user subpages?|user subpage guidelines]], since they don't seem to directly serve the project. I understand that people want to keep track of the images they've uploaded as part of their contributions, but this information is already available (and automatically updated) in each user's upload log: {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=upload&user=USERNAME&page=}}. Any thoughts on this? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:Any user page which duplicates existing wiki functions is definitely unneeded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::Even if those subpages don't fully duplicate the upload log, they should clearly be removed. I've been meaning to bring this up for a while now.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've always felt they were unnecessary myself... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::They aren't necessary, and they don't serve the project. Note that the latter is one of the criteria for subpages not to make. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not to mention they're pretty far outside what could be termed fair use. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Welcomed users subpages ==

I noticed that some users have subpages listing the users they have welcomed. In my opinion, these pages aren't approved by our [[HRWiki:User_space#What_about_user_subpages.3F|policy]]. Or does it actually help welcomers and welcomees to stay in touch? I kind of doubt it. What do you people think?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:My [[User:Lapper/welcome|welcome subpage]] has remained intact for a considerable amount of time, and it would bring me quite a bit of sadness to see it have to go. No, Loafing, my welcome page does not benefit the project. Nor does my [[User:Lapper/thread|thread template]] for my phpBB talk page I spent a good chunk of time crafting. So if this community sees fit for it to go, so be it. But if it's at all possible, I'd enjoy it if it could stay. I know I'm very biased in this sort of discussion, so I probably shouldn't muddy the waters with my opinion more than this. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::While I recognize the hardship it brings upon users, I have to support removal of vanity "users I have welcomed" pages. They simply do not serve the project. If the user wants to list such users on their user page, then that might be defensible, but a suibpage isn't. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't like to overregulate things; still, these subpages don't seem to me to serve the project. One thing to be considered: about a year ago, we had a user who made sockpuppets solely to welcome them and bump his own "welcome count". Subpages like this could contribute to such an attitude. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes, the policy doesn't approve of it, but we have to think, "Would it really hurt to just keep it?" I mean, Lapper has had his for a long time, and there hasn't been no troubles with it. I think it wouldn't hurt anything if it stayed. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC) EDIT CONFLICT: Oh, there ''has'' been a problem with it. But still, I think there won't be many problems wit' dis.
:::::While I welcome all sorts of ideas, I have to reject those that don't do any good. The idea of "welcomed users" pages seems to me to accomplish nothing beyond "vanity" accomplishment. When users are at all motivated to skirt the rules to boost their cred, when we at all resort to "I'm more helpful than you" to boost our cred - in fact, whenever a user feels the need to have "cred" at all here - we have a problem. The solution to the problem is to disallow vanity pages like "welcomed users" pages. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I see your point now. Users will get too boastful. 'Nuff said. {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I keep a list of people I welcome, but I do it offline. Online lists have always struck me as boasting and unnecessary, but I could see someone using them to keep track. But is this happening? I'm more a proponent of [[HRWiki:Da Basement#Automatic links for new users|automatic links for new users]] anyway. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The only valid reason I'd see to keep that information would be to keep it all in one place and in a permanent history. But it'd be best if it was an invisicomment, and at worst, the information can be kept in the main page. Now, Dot com, are you trying to revive an old controversial topic? Maybe there's a way to get the best of both worlds? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:08, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I haven't re-read all the old discussions yet, but I don't recall it being too terribly controversial at the time. We didn't all absolutely agree, but I remember there being general support for the idea. In any case, yes, I'm bringing it up again. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Fake new message notifications ==

I don't know how many times i've seen a "You have new messages (last change)" message at the top of user pages with phony links. They look like the real thing and really bug me. Can we institute a policy against this? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I was just tricked into going to the [[whatsit]] page by one of those. There should be a policy agianst this type of thing. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with being tricked into going to other pages. It's just something fun some users like to put on their user pages. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, fun for them, annoying for everyone else. If i go to your user page, i expect to learn something about you, not to have to go rushing back to my own page because i'm tricked into thinking someone was talking to me. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Just as a note, see [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 6#You have fake messages!]] for a previous discussion about this. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:A consensus was never reached, and i think it should be revisited. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::From a cursory glance, there was consensus: there were only four users at the time using the "usermessage" class, so rather than instituting a policy, it was recommended that if people had a problem with the messages, that they ask those particular users to take them down. Now, I'm not sure how many users are currently doing it, but if it's still a small number, I think the same solution is appropriate now. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I say that even a small number is too much, that they won't necissarily take it down if i ask, and that they're annoying and disruptive enough to be worth outlawing. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::You do have the right to ask them, and you further have the right to not visit their page. See, while I am against the idea of faking system messages exactly (which can only be for the intent of disrupting the usefulness of those messages) it remains that it's currently allowed, and we do have options available to avoid being fooled. I would support a ban on such copying of messages, but I am not petitioning for such a prohibition. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My opinion: parodying or making fun of official wiki messages should be allowed, if not encouraged. However, exactly copying them isn't, in my mind, in the best interest of the wiki. Fun is fun, but fun stops when users mimic exactly wiki operations. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Couldn't have said it better myself, Qermaq. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Agree with Qermaq. Maybe if it didn't exaxctly mimic the real thing, it would be fine. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 01:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Even though I don't use the messages thing [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Homestar-winner&diff=prev&oldid=451311 anymore] (and even when I did I never completely copied it) I still don't think anything is wrong with putting up an exact copy of the "You have [[Special:Mytalk|new messages]]" message. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::: I think we need to get rid of them. Especially the ones copying the actual message. I mean, think about it: you're a dial-up user, and it takes 30 seconds to load a page. You click a fake message box, and boom, there goes a minute of your time. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Very valid point about the dial-up. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that there really annoying. I think they should be banned. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 01:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

We really don't need these things. Perhaps we could simply create a mirroring class that users could use, and some could make invisible through their Monobook.css? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:But that places the responsibility on each user to set that up, and there are some who are too lazy/computer illetarate to do so. Better to just have them outlawed from the start.

::If I recall correctly, there was also a [[HRFWiki:New Message Craze|discussion]] on the Fanstuff Wiki about this very same issue. Most users voted not to ban them, as they were technically not breaking any rules. Personally, I agree with that vote. I can understand banning guestbooks, but I think this is getting a little too trivial. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I'm not a fan of over-policing everything either, even though I personally find the messages a little irritating. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::The rules are whatever is on this page. things "technically not breaking any rules" doesn't have any bearing, as if we decide to ben these it would be against the rules. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I've noticed that the new messages boxes on the fanstuff wiki are generally [[HRFWiki:User:Das654|Difficult to mistake for the real thing]]. I think those are fine, but exact copies are kind of annoying. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 01:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah, we're not being trivial. Guestbooks, to be honest, didn't slow someone's computer down as much as these things do (well, if said person has a slow connection). Look, I don't think you guys understand how slow these things take on dial-up. And I think we need to have our website easily available to all viewers. I think we need to get rid of the exact copies, but we should make those that are not misleading exempt. Meh. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::The way I see it, these new message boxes simply aren't disruptive enough to merit a ban of them. The guestbooks were disruptive. They clogged up recent changes and encouraged users to casually edit others' pages. What are these new message things doing? Wasting 60 seconds of your day? Being annoying? Like everyone else here, I think they are annoying, but it they really bother you that much, don't visit that user's page again. This problem isn't as widespread as guestbooks were, and unless it does become that widespread, I don't think a ban is necessary. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::A ban would prevent them from becoming widespread. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::While I appreciate the disruption factor, my main concern is the precedent it sets in copying system messages so as to confuse the user. While fun is fine, we're not a playground. It's not in the interest of the wiki for users to use their user space to intentionally disrupt wiki operations. In my opinion, putting up a fake system message indistinguishable from the real thing only serves to do that. THere's no reason to do it, and every reason not to. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Yes! Exactly! Thank you Qermaq! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Can somebody list the pages that contain messages that are identical to the real system message? I'm curious to see exactly how widespread the problem is. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:00, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:The issue here isn't how widespread it is, but how disruptive even one occurence can be. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::I disagree; if only a few users are using it, it's not as important an issue.

::In reply to my own question, I count five users: [[User:Name|Name]], [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]], [[User:Tampo/Holiday Sigs|Tampo]], [[User:Not a Robot!|Not a Robot!]], and [[User:Whatever your user name is there|Whatever your user name is there]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Qermaq, why don't they get it that anything mimiking actual wiki operations is disruptive, widespread or not? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Look, to all of you who think dial-up users are no big deal, do something for me. Click a page. Load it. Count to five Mississippi. DON'T READ THE PAGE. DON'T DO ANYTHING. DON'T EVEN LOOK AT THE SCREEN. This is what dial-up is like. It's quite annoying. Load a page, wait five seconds. Click the edit tab, wait five seconds. Hit "Save changes" wait five seconds. Go to your next page, and it all starts over again. This will teach you that these things are FRUSTRATINGLY annoying when you have to wait a little while after every page. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::::DeFender, patience. That comment was better suited for my user talk, but in this forum we allow others to respond freely and let the process unfold. Here is not the place to speculate on others' motivations, in any sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:12, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::In that case, since the last poll the trend has increased. And I disagree that a small number of users doing it makes it not a problem. If only four or five users made malevolent edits to the main namespace, we'd treat that as seriously as we do now. Any user misrepresenting wiki messages to confound a user is intentionally disrupting wiki operations, in effect, and I don't think we as a body want to support that. It's wasteful of user energy which is better put to improving the knowledge base, and it's treating one's user space as a playground where one is king, over the wishes of other wiki users, which it is decidedly not intended for. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I don't think it's fair to compare the users who currently have these on their pages to vandals who are malevolently deleting article content on the wiki — their motives are simply to momentarily confuse users, in contrast to whatever motivates people to destroy others' hard work.

::::That being said, four of the five users above (one of whom doesn't even have the message on his main user page) have pages that I have rarely if ever have gone to. In the one or two cases that I was actually duped by one of these, it was a minor annoyance, but I moved on ten seconds later. Okay, if you have dial-up, you move on ''60'' seconds later. But I'm not going to fall for the same trap on those users' pages again. So, yes, it's a minor annoyance, but the trend is not widespread right now, or even very problematic when one falls for one of these messages.

::::One more point: it is not true that the number of instances of a problem is irrelevant here. Guestbooks were not banned until many users started having them and the clogging in Recent Changes became noticeable. This is a minor annoyance on a few users' pages, not a widespread plague that is impossible to avoid. This, combined with the relatively harmless nature of them (you fall for it twice in your life and lose a fraction of a minute each time) make the formation of a policy to ban them unnecessary at this point, in my opinion. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with DeFender1031 and Shwoo, that an exact copy should be banned, but ones that are obviously fake are fine. But personally, I'm not on here as frequently as many, so...yeah. [[User:Falanalanel|Falanalanel]] 02:11, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:Please note that Shwoo did not support a ban in her post. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::She said they were annoying. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::That's what I meant [[User:Falanalanel|Falanalanel]] 02:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I don't think an absolute ban is neccessary in this case. I know dial-up can be frustrating Blubry. Whenever my computer is clogged up with something, it can take up to 5 minutes to load a page. And I use broadband.
::::Like I said before I started ranting, an absolute ban is not neccessary. These might be annoying, but I take it if you're going to another user's page, you probably have time on your hands, anyway. Does it really matter if you waste a minute?
::::Lastly, this is a great way to advertise Firefox, or even IE. Reason? Tabbed browsing. It's like having multiple windows, except you would only have one program running still. And you can have a LOT of tabs. I try to keep it at four, but you can go up to 10, I believe.
::::Anyway, as you can see, we really don't need to ban this. I agree with Trey56 on all points. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
You get burned by this gag once. Maybe twice. Thereafter, whenever you're on a page in the user space, you mouse over the link to make sure it really points to your talk page. Even dialup users can avoid falling victim to this. And I really don't see how five users (six if you figure one of them would still have it if he hadn't been banned forever, and only one of whom is active) is enough of a blip to cause a disruption. Interesingly, the number of registered accounts who have the gag now compared to the last time we counted has actually ''decreased'' per the total number of accounts (from 0.08% to 0.07%). Even though I personally find the fake messages annoying (''all'' of them, not just the ones that match the system wording), I don't see why they should be banned, because this is not a problem in and of itself (I'm avoiding the larger question of whether they should be disallowed because they're imitating a wiki process, because I don't think this is the right case to decide that issue). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:A small correction: two of the five users listed above have "Special:Mytalk" which is a shortcut to one's own talk, so rolling over the link really won't help on those. One user has "Special:Userlogout" which if not noticed would be a huge nuisance. As I said earlier, I am not personally asking for a ban, but I think there's excellent arguments on a few levels why a ban wouldn't be a bad idea. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::In those two cases, I think "Special:Userlogout" definitely crosses the line, and boxes that look exactly like the real thing is at that line, but an outright ban I think is excessive. (''Disclosure:'' My talk page has a message box that looks nothing like the original and is not clickable.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:40, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::"Common Law" should suffice instead of an outright ban. If someone is intentionally copying the real message and linking to something annoying/disruptive such as logout, they are either well aware that they are being jerks, or they are trying to be funny. It can be intended as a cute harmless joke, so the full implications should be explained to the people who do it. I'd bet they will understand, but inevitably in any group of people on or offline there are some jerks. Privately asking them to stop being jerks is a good first step, and dealing with them on a case by case basis is appropriate, but an outright ban on something that 2 or 5 users are exploiting seems overkill. If the users are inactive, I support changing the css on them to make the messages obviously not authentic. No matter how much time I have on my hands, I shouldn't have to mouseover a link like that and inspect it to determine if it's real.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 19:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It was [[User:Speckledorph|Speckledorph's]] page that the [[whatsit]] link was on. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 17:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:Whoops, I guess I missed that one in my above count. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::No problem, Trey. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 18:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:User space

Jangles5150 — Sun, 20 May 2007 17:52:33 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Fake new message notifications */

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Jangles5150 — Fri, 18 May 2007 11:03:10 GMT

Jangles5150: more!

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HRWiki talk:User space

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==Welcome!==

{{{personal|Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki!''' We're glad to have you as a member.}}} If you need any help, feel free to ask anyone on the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee#Members|welcoming committee]]. You can also post questions on the [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]].

Here are some tips to get you started:
*If you need general information, editing tips, or answers to frequently asked questions, check out the [[Help:Contents|help]] page.
*Before you do any significant editing, be sure to familiarize yourself with our [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]].
*Read up on the rules and guidelines for your [[HRWiki:User space|user space]].
*If you're not sure what you can do to help out, head over to [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]].
*To practice editing, go over to the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]].
*If you're looking for more community interaction, you can also register over at our [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum].
*If you see an update on [[HR:|homestarrunner.com]] that isn't listed on the [[Main Page]], put it up [[H*R.com updates|here]].
*To sign and timestamp a post on a talk page, type four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*Above all, be sure to '''be bold''' and have fun!

Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it. After all, your user space belongs to you. I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll have a good experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community.

Sincerely, 
[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]], and "The Homestar Runner Wiki Welcoming Committee", 22:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Jangles5150, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, {{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Your vote ==

Hey, your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Periodic_Table_of_Candy_Elements&curid=21317&diff=415841&oldid=306575&rcid=367045 opinion] is appreciated but note that the last edit to [[Talk:The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]] was in April. I think this vote was decided by now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Revenge is no way to go ==

I see you wrote a comment on the Old-Timey template. It was revengeful since you were trying to get revenge on me for Ketchup and The Decemberween Stick. Please don't use revenge on anybody just because they nominated or deleted your article. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} '''P.S''':Great ideas!
:Sam the Man, I'm seeing nothing vengeful in Jangles's comments, just arguments against that template's inclusion. Please [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Signature ==

If you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next to your username when you sign your name, you should get a signature. For more help, look at mine or click on signature on the help page. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Jangles, are you listening to me? Please get a signature if you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next your name on a talk page. If you put words+help next to your signature again, I don't know what will happen. It will be nothing bad. Please do so. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::why? What damage is it causing? words means talk, and helps means contributes. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No damage at all — creating a preset signature is only a convenience for you, not a requirement. If you decide you want to do this, [[Help:Signature|here are instructions]], but you're completely free to keep doing it manually if you want. Laters! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Wait, i don't understand: why was he mad about it? i already tried to make one, like a month ago, and it didnt work.--[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I don't think he's mad — I wouldn't worry about it. What didn't work? I'd be happy to help you out, if you'd like. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::i put some coler in it and changed the font, but when i tried it out it just said user:jangles5150/sig, and thats it. no link or anything. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Okay — go to [[Special:Preferences]], and make sure that <nowiki>{{User:Jangles5150/sig}}</nowiki> is on the "Signature:" line (and that the "Enable raw signatures" box is checked). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
ok. i will. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:I did. now what? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::Looks like it's working — nice work :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::How do i put icons and coler and stuff in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You can find all that info at [[Help:Signature]] — play around with it, and let me know if you encounter any specific issues, and I'd be happy to help. One other thing I'll mention if you're going to play around with it: right now, your sig is right on the edge of the [[HRWiki:Signature|maximum length]]. While you're changing it, it would be best if you could make it a tiny bit shorter (e.g. by putting "words" and "helps" in a smaller font). Here's a sigbox to let you know how you're doing:
::::{{sigbox|User:Jangles5150/sig}}
::::Anyway, have fun! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. i really appreciatiate it. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::You're welcome :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I get angry some times. I'm sorry. I wasn't mad or going to do anything. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
No worries man. it wont let me upload an image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm — you tried using [[Special:Upload]]? What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::No i have not.... but i will. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It just says '".bmp" is not a recommended image file format.'. soo, what does that mean? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, you need to save your image in a different format, like PNG or JPG. You can do that with MSPaint, I hear, if you're using a Windows computer. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Or [http://www.Irfanview.com Irfanview]. Way better then anything! Well, what image do you want? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::im using MSPaint for it. im using an image of homestars head, and the cheat. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What toon or sbemail? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
i got it off the internet. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:How about these images? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] and [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] — maybe they're not what you're looking for, but it would save you the trouble of uploading different ones... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::those are the exzact ones i was talking about. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll help you if you need it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::How about this? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] [[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User talk:Jangles5150|words]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::No, get rid of the words helps thing, and make hr's head on the left and link to my talk page, and put the C. on the right and link to my contribs. if its not too much. --Jangles5150
::::::Here's the section that explains what you're trying to do: [[Help:Signature#Changing the target of images' links]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
It didnt Work. --Jangles5150
:What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::I can't really explain. can you just give me the code and stuff and i can copy and paste it into my sig page. --Jangles5150
:::Sure: <code><nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]</nowiki></code> will produce

:::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]

:::Best, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks man. and you too Sam The Man. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Just one more question: How do i put color in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Here's what you're looking for: [[Help:Signature#Colors and fonts]]. You can find several three-digit color codes to replace "hexcode" with [[Help:Color codes|here]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::It worked. thanks. to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No problem. Keep on tranglin, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::No problem. Keep up the good work. Ketchup will be a page with no deletion! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
== Are you sure ==

Hey Jangles. I would really like you to join my club. I promise you I will help you with anything you want. If you wanted to be a sysop, would be kind of like me a little. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Sure man, I'll join your club. But your comment about sysops doesn't make sense to me. Thanks again for the help with my sig. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== I got one... ==

Number one is "Suurender" by Cheap Trick. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, dude! my bands doing that song. try some other ones. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ooh, #2 is [[Office Space]] — Lumbergh says that line to Milton. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

::Nice. yeah. thats it. i love that movie. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Ooh! Ooh! I know numba 3! It's [[Wikipedia:Psycho (1960 film)|Psycho]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yep. Norman bates says it. try some others! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 11:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Number 5 is Jeff Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

Number 4 is from "Dazed and Confused." Some guy called Wood[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] said that. Thank you [http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22I+love+them+Redheads!%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Google].{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 15:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:#1 is South Park and Cartman is saying that quote. Am I right? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::Yep. try some others. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That last one is from Harold and Kumar go to white castle. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah. thats right. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Member ==

Alright! Your a member! Please copy the userbox and have fun! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} (P.S) I want to be a sysop and I'm trying to act like one.
:Well who doesn't?! I would like to be one, but I don't know alot about wiki stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== I'm right ==

The "More quotes" #3 is spoken by Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks) in the movie [[imdb:0109830|''Forrest Gump'']]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::right. thats like my favorite movie. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:2) Led Zepplin I don't know what the song name is but my guess is "7 to 11" and it's about a guy who likes a girl enough to work that long each day. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, and it's Led Zepplin 2 on the album (or Led Zepplin II if you're picky) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::It is led zeppelin, but its on led zeppelin III, and the song is "since ive been loving you". it is about working from 7 to 11. it was voted the best guitar solo of all time. =)--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Quote box ==

Hey there Jangles — I like the [[User:Jangles5150/quotebox|userbox]] you made! Just a couple things. First, you should put it on your user page or your user talk page — this doesn't fall into one of the categories for [[HRWiki:User space|permitted user subpages#What about user subpages?]]. Secondly, if you want it to appear outside of the context of a userbox tower without generating those funny lines, just put <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>|}</nowiki></code> on separate lines above and below the code for the box. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lone Userboxes ==

Hey there Jangles. First, Let's Go Yankees!^_^ And second, I corrected your userbox quote. A userbox on a page not in a userbox tower are called lone userboxes and should have a <nowiki>{|</nowiki> at the beginning and a <nowiki>|}</nowiki> at the end. I give you this:
{|
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
Hope this helps. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Thanks. I'll change that, when I have time to. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

==Don't Bite==

Hey there Jangles — I think that {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Sam_the_Man/welcome&curid=33523&diff=451688&oldid=449304 this}} was an honest mistake I think it was an honest mistake — Sam didn't substitute his template, so when he said "Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it", TheDude probably thought he was supposed to delete the actual template. Just wanted to clarify that so that you didn't think that TheDude was necessarily doing something wrong. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:Also, you can be sure that it's not a good idea to be aggressive towards newcomers when a sysop has already posted something on their talk page. Please read [[HRWiki:Welcoming_committee#Don.27t_Bite]], thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, Loafing, I had was the first one to put something about it on there. And about not biting new users: I recall on the first day I joined this wiki, I went and created something called "The Addition Comittee". And I got yelled at, with people saying things like "We already have an Addition Comittee: every user!" and such. And I recieved no sympathy. It was my first day, and I thought "Well, since I'm new, I'll show them my skillz" and I tried to, and I got yelled at for it. The End. Also, how did TheDude find the subpage? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Looking back at [[HRWiki talk:Addition Committee]], I can see why that was discouraging for you, especially as a new user. Point taken: we can all stand to be more cordial and patient with newcomers.

:::The reason why it was so easy for TheDude to jump to the template was that when Sam didn't substitute his welcome template, an edit link appeared on TheDude's user page that took him straight there. So, when he thought he was clearing his talk page (as the welcome message invited him to), he accidentally deleted Sam's template. That's why it's important to substitute things like welcome messages.

:::Anyway, I hoping that clears things up. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh. Well ,it's like they say "you learn something new every day" or something like that. A'ight (That's [[Wikipedia:Baltimore|Balmereese]] for alright), thanks again. Peace. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::guys, i don't what a template or subpage are so it was totally unintentional. I did manage to find my way here... sorry sam, it was an accident. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 20:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Not a problem. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Man, I feel like a total jerk. I'm not [[User:Sam_The_Man|Sam]] though. I'm really sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::no sweat, don't feel like a jerk, and sorry for calling you sam. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 21:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, and I take no offense from being called Sam. He is a very accomplised wiki-user. Also, when I was like 5 or 6, I would always yell at my mom for not naming me Sam. I liked that name. Also, I noticed that you don't yet have a signiture. Take a look at [[Help:Signature|this]] for details. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:You know, a fancy sig is not mandatory, and not everyone needs (or wants) one. More than once I've seen very new users make a sig identical to the default, and when I mentioned that that was pointless and they ought to get rid of the subpage for it, immediately go spice it up like a fancy sig was a requirement. Sure I have one, but only because it's really long and messy in edit mode when you change the font, which is all I really did. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

::It was just a suggestion. I was just thinking that the name "TheDude" would look very awexome. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 10:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hey there. Just saying thanks for calling me a accomplised wiki-user and to say that TheDude has a very good userpage. I should say this in TheDude's userpage. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

::::You are very good with this wiki stuff.I personally don't have the patience to do all that fancy stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== E-mail ==

Hey Jangles. I was wondering if you had an E-mail address. If you do, please E-mail from [[The Paper]] userbox thing on my page. Thank You for understanding, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:I do have an email address, I did email you, and I also put the email box on my page. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== OMG!!! The quote!!! ==

'''"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "Grand Theft Auto 3, dawg!"'''

That is soooooooooo from [http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malibu%27s_Most_Wanted Malibu's Most Wanted] And remember, "Gamecast". So good! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:56, 5 May 2007

Also '''"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!"'''

That would be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail Monty Python and the Holy Grail]. A-thank you! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:30, 5 May 2007

:Those are both correct. Very good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Grab this while you still can (May 7, 2007) ==

This is your chance to do up [[Subtitles:sbemail171/en]] while you still can . I'm handing the chance over to you after I saw your post over at [[User talk:Trey56|Trey56's talk page]].

Just put a <nowiki>{{pageinprogress}}</nowiki>tag in, and look at the [[Subtitles]] article for guidelines.

--Be quick, [[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 22:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This SBEmail's quite simple, though you may be put in a rush by the many others waiting. As well, be careful with the code. And yes, I ''will'' be in check to improve on things further if need be. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::I wasn't looking for something ''that'' important to do. I meant stuff like making templates, or working on transcripts, for example. Thanks for the offer, though! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Something to do ==

Hey there, Jangles. I remembered that you had [[User talk:Trey56#SBemails|asked me for things to do]], and I thought of one. I just moved two articles: [[Homestar Peeking]] to [[Homestar Runner Peeking]] and [[Naked Homestar]] to [[Naked Homestar Runner]]. This means that someone needs to go through the pages listed on [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Homestar_Peeking]] and [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Naked_Homestar]] and update the links on those pages.

If you're interested, go ahead and work on those projects. The one thing I would suggest is that you leave any links on User or User Talk pages untouched. Also, I'd leave them untouched on [[Category talk:Homestar Runner running gags]], since that's where the discussion originated.

If you don't feel like doing this, just let me know, no problem. I just remembered you were looking for things to do and thought you might be interested. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'll do it, but mabye not all at this exact moment. I'll see what I can do, though. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

::Sounds great :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Alright, I'm back. Just saw Spiderman 3. I got the Homestar Peeking thing, but couldn't find the one on [[The Paper]]. I'll get the Naked Homestar as soon as possible. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I got all of them. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Nice work! By the way, how did you like ''Spider-Man 3''? I'm really looking forward to seeing it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::''Way'' better then the first 2. The Sandman was cool, as was Venom. I think in Spider-Man 4 there going to put in either Electro, or The Rhino. Personally, I would like to see him fight the Fantastic Four. But it was a very good movie. I'm trying so hard to not reveal anything right now. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Happy B! ==

Happy 100th Birthday, Strong Bad! I mean 13th. And Jangles. Eat more cake, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. I ate half a cheesecake last night, but I'll still have some more. I like cake. It's good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::So are you gonna upload a personal image of yourself today? (And Happy Birthday by the way) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let me unveil my master plan: I will 1)drop my grapes, 2)tell Homestar Winner that I already did that, and 3) eat some more cake. I already uploaded the image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Happy late Birthday Jang-Jang (Is it all right if I call you that?). The big 1-3 Eh. 2 more years and I'm a teenager. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 13:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Jang-Jang won't work. Sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

''Italic text''== Honesra Runner ==

<blockquote class="tandy email">Hi Jangles5150, 
If you hate Honesra so much, 
why don't you kill him? 
-[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]]</blockquote>

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D lol at the typo.
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:I didn't think anyone had seen that. I should really stop putting "oops" in my edit summaries. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Fri, 18 May 2007 00:20:30 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Honesra Runner */

==Welcome!==

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== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Jangles5150, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, {{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Your vote ==

Hey, your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_Periodic_Table_of_Candy_Elements&curid=21317&diff=415841&oldid=306575&rcid=367045 opinion] is appreciated but note that the last edit to [[Talk:The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]] was in April. I think this vote was decided by now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

== Revenge is no way to go ==

I see you wrote a comment on the Old-Timey template. It was revengeful since you were trying to get revenge on me for Ketchup and The Decemberween Stick. Please don't use revenge on anybody just because they nominated or deleted your article. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} '''P.S''':Great ideas!
:Sam the Man, I'm seeing nothing vengeful in Jangles's comments, just arguments against that template's inclusion. Please [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Signature ==

If you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next to your username when you sign your name, you should get a signature. For more help, look at mine or click on signature on the help page. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Jangles, are you listening to me? Please get a signature if you want to put <nowiki>{{words+help}}</nowiki> next your name on a talk page. If you put words+help next to your signature again, I don't know what will happen. It will be nothing bad. Please do so. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::why? What damage is it causing? words means talk, and helps means contributes. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No damage at all — creating a preset signature is only a convenience for you, not a requirement. If you decide you want to do this, [[Help:Signature|here are instructions]], but you're completely free to keep doing it manually if you want. Laters! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Wait, i don't understand: why was he mad about it? i already tried to make one, like a month ago, and it didnt work.--[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I don't think he's mad — I wouldn't worry about it. What didn't work? I'd be happy to help you out, if you'd like. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:31, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::i put some coler in it and changed the font, but when i tried it out it just said user:jangles5150/sig, and thats it. no link or anything. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Okay — go to [[Special:Preferences]], and make sure that <nowiki>{{User:Jangles5150/sig}}</nowiki> is on the "Signature:" line (and that the "Enable raw signatures" box is checked). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:34, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
ok. i will. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 20:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:I did. now what? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::Looks like it's working — nice work :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::How do i put icons and coler and stuff in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You can find all that info at [[Help:Signature]] — play around with it, and let me know if you encounter any specific issues, and I'd be happy to help. One other thing I'll mention if you're going to play around with it: right now, your sig is right on the edge of the [[HRWiki:Signature|maximum length]]. While you're changing it, it would be best if you could make it a tiny bit shorter (e.g. by putting "words" and "helps" in a smaller font). Here's a sigbox to let you know how you're doing:
::::{{sigbox|User:Jangles5150/sig}}
::::Anyway, have fun! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much. i really appreciatiate it. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::You're welcome :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I get angry some times. I'm sorry. I wasn't mad or going to do anything. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
No worries man. it wont let me upload an image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm — you tried using [[Special:Upload]]? What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::No i have not.... but i will. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It just says '".bmp" is not a recommended image file format.'. soo, what does that mean? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, you need to save your image in a different format, like PNG or JPG. You can do that with MSPaint, I hear, if you're using a Windows computer. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Or [http://www.Irfanview.com Irfanview]. Way better then anything! Well, what image do you want? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::im using MSPaint for it. im using an image of homestars head, and the cheat. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::What toon or sbemail? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
i got it off the internet. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:How about these images? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] and [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] — maybe they're not what you're looking for, but it would save you the trouble of uploading different ones... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::those are the exzact ones i was talking about. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll help you if you need it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::How about this? [[Image:update-hr.png|20px]] [[Image:The-cheat-small.png|20px]] [[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User talk:Jangles5150|words]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::No, get rid of the words helps thing, and make hr's head on the left and link to my talk page, and put the C. on the right and link to my contribs. if its not too much. --Jangles5150
::::::Here's the section that explains what you're trying to do: [[Help:Signature#Changing the target of images' links]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:13, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
It didnt Work. --Jangles5150
:What happened? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::I can't really explain. can you just give me the code and stuff and i can copy and paste it into my sig page. --Jangles5150
:::Sure: <code><nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]</nowiki></code> will produce

:::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c6/update-hr.png/20px-update-hr.png][[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Jangles5150 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/3/33/The-cheat-small.png/20px-The-cheat-small.png]

:::Best, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Thanks man. and you too Sam The Man. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
Just one more question: How do i put color in it? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:29, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Here's what you're looking for: [[Help:Signature#Colors and fonts]]. You can find several three-digit color codes to replace "hexcode" with [[Help:Color codes|here]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:33, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::It worked. thanks. to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::No problem. Keep on tranglin, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:37, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
::::No problem. Keep up the good work. Ketchup will be a page with no deletion! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
== Are you sure ==

Hey Jangles. I would really like you to join my club. I promise you I will help you with anything you want. If you wanted to be a sysop, would be kind of like me a little. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Sure man, I'll join your club. But your comment about sysops doesn't make sense to me. Thanks again for the help with my sig. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== I got one... ==

Number one is "Suurender" by Cheap Trick. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, dude! my bands doing that song. try some other ones. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:41, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:Ooh, #2 is [[Office Space]] — Lumbergh says that line to Milton. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

::Nice. yeah. thats it. i love that movie. --[[User:Jangles5150|Jangles5150]] ([[User_talk:Jangles5150|words]]+[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|helps]]) 19:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Ooh! Ooh! I know numba 3! It's [[Wikipedia:Psycho (1960 film)|Psycho]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yep. Norman bates says it. try some others! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 11:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Number 5 is Jeff Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

Number 4 is from "Dazed and Confused." Some guy called Wood[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] said that. Thank you [http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22I+love+them+Redheads!%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Google].{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 02:16, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes to both of you. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 15:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:#1 is South Park and Cartman is saying that quote. Am I right? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::Yep. try some others. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:12, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::That last one is from Harold and Kumar go to white castle. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah. thats right. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:16, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Member ==

Alright! Your a member! Please copy the userbox and have fun! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} (P.S) I want to be a sysop and I'm trying to act like one.
:Well who doesn't?! I would like to be one, but I don't know alot about wiki stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== I'm right ==

The "More quotes" #3 is spoken by Forrest Gump (Tom Hanks) in the movie [[imdb:0109830|''Forrest Gump'']]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::right. thats like my favorite movie. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:2) Led Zepplin I don't know what the song name is but my guess is "7 to 11" and it's about a guy who likes a girl enough to work that long each day. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, and it's Led Zepplin 2 on the album (or Led Zepplin II if you're picky) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::It is led zeppelin, but its on led zeppelin III, and the song is "since ive been loving you". it is about working from 7 to 11. it was voted the best guitar solo of all time. =)--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Quote box ==

Hey there Jangles — I like the [[User:Jangles5150/quotebox|userbox]] you made! Just a couple things. First, you should put it on your user page or your user talk page — this doesn't fall into one of the categories for [[HRWiki:User space|permitted user subpages#What about user subpages?]]. Secondly, if you want it to appear outside of the context of a userbox tower without generating those funny lines, just put <code><nowiki>{|</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>|}</nowiki></code> on separate lines above and below the code for the box. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Lone Userboxes ==

Hey there Jangles. First, Let's Go Yankees!^_^ And second, I corrected your userbox quote. A userbox on a page not in a userbox tower are called lone userboxes and should have a <nowiki>{|</nowiki> at the beginning and a <nowiki>|}</nowiki> at the end. I give you this:
{|
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
Hope this helps. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Thanks. I'll change that, when I have time to. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

==Don't Bite==

Hey there Jangles — I think that {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Sam_the_Man/welcome&curid=33523&diff=451688&oldid=449304 this}} was an honest mistake I think it was an honest mistake — Sam didn't substitute his template, so when he said "Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it", TheDude probably thought he was supposed to delete the actual template. Just wanted to clarify that so that you didn't think that TheDude was necessarily doing something wrong. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:Also, you can be sure that it's not a good idea to be aggressive towards newcomers when a sysop has already posted something on their talk page. Please read [[HRWiki:Welcoming_committee#Don.27t_Bite]], thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, Loafing, I had was the first one to put something about it on there. And about not biting new users: I recall on the first day I joined this wiki, I went and created something called "The Addition Comittee". And I got yelled at, with people saying things like "We already have an Addition Comittee: every user!" and such. And I recieved no sympathy. It was my first day, and I thought "Well, since I'm new, I'll show them my skillz" and I tried to, and I got yelled at for it. The End. Also, how did TheDude find the subpage? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Looking back at [[HRWiki talk:Addition Committee]], I can see why that was discouraging for you, especially as a new user. Point taken: we can all stand to be more cordial and patient with newcomers.

:::The reason why it was so easy for TheDude to jump to the template was that when Sam didn't substitute his welcome template, an edit link appeared on TheDude's user page that took him straight there. So, when he thought he was clearing his talk page (as the welcome message invited him to), he accidentally deleted Sam's template. That's why it's important to substitute things like welcome messages.

:::Anyway, I hoping that clears things up. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh. Well ,it's like they say "you learn something new every day" or something like that. A'ight (That's [[Wikipedia:Baltimore|Balmereese]] for alright), thanks again. Peace. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::guys, i don't what a template or subpage are so it was totally unintentional. I did manage to find my way here... sorry sam, it was an accident. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 20:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Not a problem. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::Man, I feel like a total jerk. I'm not [[User:Sam_The_Man|Sam]] though. I'm really sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::no sweat, don't feel like a jerk, and sorry for calling you sam. [[User:TheDude|TheDude]] 21:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, and I take no offense from being called Sam. He is a very accomplised wiki-user. Also, when I was like 5 or 6, I would always yell at my mom for not naming me Sam. I liked that name. Also, I noticed that you don't yet have a signiture. Take a look at [[Help:Signature|this]] for details. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:You know, a fancy sig is not mandatory, and not everyone needs (or wants) one. More than once I've seen very new users make a sig identical to the default, and when I mentioned that that was pointless and they ought to get rid of the subpage for it, immediately go spice it up like a fancy sig was a requirement. Sure I have one, but only because it's really long and messy in edit mode when you change the font, which is all I really did. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

::It was just a suggestion. I was just thinking that the name "TheDude" would look very awexome. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 10:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hey there. Just saying thanks for calling me a accomplised wiki-user and to say that TheDude has a very good userpage. I should say this in TheDude's userpage. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

::::You are very good with this wiki stuff.I personally don't have the patience to do all that fancy stuff. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:23, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== E-mail ==

Hey Jangles. I was wondering if you had an E-mail address. If you do, please E-mail from [[The Paper]] userbox thing on my page. Thank You for understanding, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:35, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:I do have an email address, I did email you, and I also put the email box on my page. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== OMG!!! The quote!!! ==

'''"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "Grand Theft Auto 3, dawg!"'''

That is soooooooooo from [http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malibu%27s_Most_Wanted Malibu's Most Wanted] And remember, "Gamecast". So good! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:56, 5 May 2007

Also '''"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!"'''

That would be [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail Monty Python and the Holy Grail]. A-thank you! - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 23:30, 5 May 2007

:Those are both correct. Very good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Grab this while you still can (May 7, 2007) ==

This is your chance to do up [[Subtitles:sbemail171/en]] while you still can . I'm handing the chance over to you after I saw your post over at [[User talk:Trey56|Trey56's talk page]].

Just put a <nowiki>{{pageinprogress}}</nowiki>tag in, and look at the [[Subtitles]] article for guidelines.

--Be quick, [[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 22:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. This SBEmail's quite simple, though you may be put in a rush by the many others waiting. As well, be careful with the code. And yes, I ''will'' be in check to improve on things further if need be. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::I wasn't looking for something ''that'' important to do. I meant stuff like making templates, or working on transcripts, for example. Thanks for the offer, though! --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Something to do ==

Hey there, Jangles. I remembered that you had [[User talk:Trey56#SBemails|asked me for things to do]], and I thought of one. I just moved two articles: [[Homestar Peeking]] to [[Homestar Runner Peeking]] and [[Naked Homestar]] to [[Naked Homestar Runner]]. This means that someone needs to go through the pages listed on [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Homestar_Peeking]] and [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Naked_Homestar]] and update the links on those pages.

If you're interested, go ahead and work on those projects. The one thing I would suggest is that you leave any links on User or User Talk pages untouched. Also, I'd leave them untouched on [[Category talk:Homestar Runner running gags]], since that's where the discussion originated.

If you don't feel like doing this, just let me know, no problem. I just remembered you were looking for things to do and thought you might be interested. Talk atcha later, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'll do it, but mabye not all at this exact moment. I'll see what I can do, though. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

::Sounds great :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Alright, I'm back. Just saw Spiderman 3. I got the Homestar Peeking thing, but couldn't find the one on [[The Paper]]. I'll get the Naked Homestar as soon as possible. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:08, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I got all of them. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:02, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Nice work! By the way, how did you like ''Spider-Man 3''? I'm really looking forward to seeing it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::''Way'' better then the first 2. The Sandman was cool, as was Venom. I think in Spider-Man 4 there going to put in either Electro, or The Rhino. Personally, I would like to see him fight the Fantastic Four. But it was a very good movie. I'm trying so hard to not reveal anything right now. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:10, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Happy B! ==

Happy 100th Birthday, Strong Bad! I mean 13th. And Jangles. Eat more cake, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks. I ate half a cheesecake last night, but I'll still have some more. I like cake. It's good. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::So are you gonna upload a personal image of yourself today? (And Happy Birthday by the way) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let me unveil my master plan: I will 1)drop my grapes, 2)tell Homestar Winner that I already did that, and 3) eat some more cake. I already uploaded the image. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Happy late Birthday Jang-Jang (Is it all right if I call you that?). The big 1-3 Eh. 2 more years and I'm a teenager. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 13:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The Jang-Jang won't work. Sorry. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Honesra Runner ==

<blockquote class="tandy email">Hi Jangles5150, 
If you hate Honesra so much, 
why don't you kill him? 
-[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]]</blockquote>

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D lol at the typo.
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:I didn't think anyone had seen that. I should really sto putting "oops" in my edit summaries. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Thu, 17 May 2007 19:10:56 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Happy B! */

Happy Trogday

Jangles5150 — Thu, 17 May 2007 00:21:50 GMT

Jangles5150: undid revision 457735 by 76.183.43.92 (Talk)what is that mashmellow saying?

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|trogday|Fall Float Parade|Happy Hallow-day}}
[[Image:trogday.PNG|thumb|Happy Trogday, Troggie!]]

It's Trogdor's third birthday, and Strong Bad celebrates it with a kick-awesome fanstuff montage.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Stinkoman}}, [[Trogador]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Planet K]]

'''Date:''' January 13, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 1:49

'''Page Title:''' Burninating 3 Candles!

{{dvd|Everything Else, Volume 2}}

== Transcript ==

''{The words "3 years ago..." appear on the screen. Flash back to email [[dragon]] with Strong Bad drawing Trogdor.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let's put one of those beefy arms back on him for good measure.

''{Strong Bad draws a single beefy arm on the back of the dragon.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' That looks really good. Comin' out of the back of his neck, there. Now he needs a name. How about...

''{Cut to a montage featuring various pieces of Trogdor-related Fanstuff as the [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|Strong Bad Sings]] cut of "Trogdor" plays:}''

* ''An ink drawing of Trogdor, a Trogdor shaped pancake with a Trogdor sketch superimposed on it''
* ''A Trogdor shaped gingerbread cookie''
* ''An exaggerated [[Wikipedia:Microsoft Paint|Microsoft Paint]] drawing of Trogdor''
* ''A Trogdor that appears to be made out of bean bags and felt''
* ''An [[Wikipedia:ASCII art|ASCII art]] rendering of Trogdor''
* ''A small child lying in apparent agony next to a chalk drawing of Trogdor''
* ''A person in a Trogdor costume at a dress party''
* ''A person in a partial Trogdor costume''
* ''A man in a full Trogdor costume excluding his face and hand''
* ''A crude ink drawing of Trogdor''
* ''Two birthday cakes depicting Trogdor''
* ''A person buried next to a sand-relief-sculpture-Trogdor's mouth or with their head photoshopped into the picture''
* ''A very muscular and slightly humanoid fine pencil sketch of Trogdor''
* ''A child's [[Wikipedia:Magna Doodle|magnetic drawing]] of Trogdor''
* ''Two vanity plates bearing "TROGDOR"''
* ''A three-dimensional superimposed image of Trogdor over a few buildings''
* ''A fish stick shaped like Trogdor''
* ''A Cheeto or other cheese-puff related snack shaped like Trogdor''
* ''Two 3-dimensional images of Trogdor''
* ''A Trogdor lighter, lit''
* ''An [[Wikipedia:Society_for_Creative_Anachronism|SCA]] fighter from the [http://www.midrealm.org/ Midrealm] with Trogdor on his surcoat''
* ''A drawing of Trogdor as a "t" and the letters "rogdor" on fire, one of them saying, "I'm sad we're all burning"
* ''A Trogdor tattoo on a person's back shoulder''
* ''A Lite-brite image of Trogdor''
* ''Two sand images of Trogdor''
* ''A Virginia license plate on a [[Wikipedia:Subaru WRX|Subaru WRX]], reading "BRNIN8R"''
* ''Two crayon drawings of Trogdor''
* ''A fine pencil sketch of Trogdor''
* ''A set of Trogdor-themed jack-o-lanterns''
* ''Another 3-d image of Trogdor, this time burninating some cottages''
* ''A sand-relief sculpture of Trogdor, with real fire''
* ''A man dressed up as a burninated peasant holing a Trogdor plush doll''
* ''A pencil drawing of Trogdor labeled, "The Trogdor Factor"''
* ''A man (dressed as Tenchi Masaki from Tenchi Muyo) apparently cringing from a person dressed up as Trogdor''
* ''A picture of Trogdor attempting to set fire to the entire Homestar Runner cast, being led by [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]], while being followed by [[Strong Mad]]''
* ''A hockey player with a yellow jersey reading, "Trogdor 15"''
* ''A [[Wikipedia:Lego|Lego]] sculpture of Trogdor''
* ''A colored pencil drawing of Trogdor''
* ''Graffiti that reads "Trogdor strikes again"''
* ''A building reading, "Trogdor House"''
* ''Two knit Trogdor plushies''
* ''A sculpture of Trogdor holding a short sword''
* ''A two-color Post-It note version of Trogdor at the List Visual Arts Center in the [[Wikipedia:Wiesner building|Wiesner building]] (Building E15) at [[Wikipedia:Massachusetts Institute of Technology|MIT]]''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{screaming}'' TROGDOR!!! TROGDOR!!! ''{singing}'' Trogdor was a man! I mean, he was a dragon-man! Er, maybe he was just a dragon. Um... But he was still TROGDOR!!!! TROGDOR!!!! Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the peoples! In their thatched roof COTTAGES!!! THATCHED ROOF COTTAGES!! And the Trogdor comes in the NIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

''{Cut to a rapid-fire sequence of images:}''

* ''Trogdor made out of tinfoil''
* ''A sign saying "DANGER Burninating in progress"''
* ''A sketchbook like image of baby Trogdors''
* ''Trogdor drawn in snow''
* ''Trogdor drawn on a bowl''
* ''A [[Wikipedia:Honda|Honda]] with a vanity plate reading "TROGDOR"''
* ''A 3-D image of Trogdor''
* ''A Trogdor stitched into a denim patch''
* ''Trogdor drawn on a sidewalk in chalk''
* ''A Trogdor ornament (or "Trogdornament") made of Sculpey''
* ''A frosted Trogdor shaped cookie''
* ''A California vanity plate reading "BURNN8"''
* ''A colored pencil drawing of Trogdor''
* ''An [[Wikipedia:iPod|iPod]] with a picture of Trogdor drawn on the "Do Not Disconnect" screen''
* ''Trogdor painted on an egg''
''{The images begin repeating at this point.}''
* ''Tinfoil Trogdor''
* ''iPod Trogdor''
* ''Baby Trogdors''
* ''BURNN8 vanity plate''
* ''Bowl Trogdor''
* ''Sculpey Trogdor''
* ''3-D Trogdor''
* ''Denim patch Trogdor''
* ''Chalk Trogdor''
* ''"TROGDOR" vanity plate''
* ''Cookie Trogdor''
* ''Snow Trogdor''
* ''Colored pencil Trogdor''
* ''DANGER sign''
* ''Egg Trogdor''
* ''Black graffiti reading "TROGDOR STRIKES AGAIN!"''

''{Fade to a drawn picture of Trogdor wearing a birthday hat and party blower. Strong Bad writes "HAPPY TROGDAY TROGG[[Lowercase i's|i]]E" on the paper. Trogdor blows his blower.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making sound of Trogdor blowing blower}'' Twirr! Twirr!

''{Pushwipe to Stinkoman, who is wearing a birthday hat with an image of a prawn on it.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Hey! My birthday was last week! I don't see anyone making any ''Stinkoman''-shaped pancakes!

''{A distant thump shakes the screen.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Huh?

''{Another thump shakes the screen.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Hunh?

''{Another thump occurs.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Wha?

''{Cut to a section of the ground. Two massive, red, clawed legs come into view.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' What is that?

''{The camera pulls back to reveal Trogador standing in front of Stinkoman. He flexes his beefy arm once}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Waah! Trogador!

''{Camera focuses on Trogador's face, the background turns purple and action lines appear.}''

'''TROGADOR:''' ''{roars}''

''{Cut to Stinkoman being pursued by Trogador. The music from the end of [[Under Construction]] plays.}''

'''STINKOMAN:''' Is this your crazy, mixed-up way of asking me for some type of birthday challenge??

''{The screen freezes in the "sketchy" format, and buttons come up that read "[[Main Page 17|back]]", "[[dragon|watch original email?]]", "[[TROGDOR!|play the game]]", and "again"}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*This toon was originally released on Friday, January 13th, 2006. The original email [[dragon]] was released Monday, January 13th, 2003, exactly three years prior.
*Stinkoman's debut was in [[japanese cartoon]], which was released on January 6th, 2003, explaining Stinkoman's comment about his birthday being last week.

===Trivia===
*This is the first time [[Trogador]] has appeared in a toon on the website, previously only being shown at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]]. [[The Brothers Chaps]] mentioned at that time that they would likely never put Trogador on the site.
*This update occurred along with a special Trogdor sale at the [[Store]].

===Remarks===
*The [[Trogdor (song)|Trogdor song]] uses the version recorded for [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]], though they cut from "cottages" to the tag line, "And the Trogdor comes in the...", thus matching the form of the original song.
*The first picture of a costumed Trogdor came from Anime Weekend Atlanta 11.
*One of the last pictures seen, a Trogdor figure made of several thousand [[Sticky Notes|Post-it notes]], is one of the Homestar Runner [[School Sightings#Trogdor: MIT Hacker|School Sightings]].
*The Trogdor-shaped fish stick and the crocheted Trogdor were originally for sale on [[Wikipedia:EBay|eBay]].
*The Post-It Trogdor at the List Visual Arts Center was a result of an [http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/2003/vidwall_postits/ MIT student "hack"] (prank) on April Fools Day 2003.
*Clicking "Back" at the end always links to [[Main Page 17]], the 20X6 main page.
*Trogador's footsteps "shake" the frame of the Flash file a bit.
*The car with the licence plate "BURNI8ER" is a Subaru.

===Goofs===
*Stinkoman has a shadow when he is running, but Trogador does not.
*When the screen freezes to the sketch style, Stinkoman's party hat disappears.

===Fixed Goofs===
*Originally, clicking on "again" would go to the start of the TROGDOR song. Additionally, the beginning would be slightly cut-off, sounding like "ogdor". This has since been fixed.
**However, this has only been fixed in the last frame. If you go back a frame at the end, you can still click the original "Again" button.

===Inside References===

*In [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], Stinkoman stated that he likes [[Prawns|prawns]], which explains the one on his birthday hat.
*The word "Trogday" is the second time someone's birthday has been celebrated by replacing the ''birth'' in ''birthday'' with part of the person's name. The first time was [[The Cheat]]'s "[[cheatday]]".
**This practice is continued in [[Flash 10th Birthday]], in which Strong Bad mentions "Flashday".
*The graffitied "Trogdor Strikes Again!" is a reference to the original email [[dragon]] when Strong Bad burns [[Strong Sad]]'s drawing.
*The slide with the man dressed as a peasant holding a Trogdor plush is from [[More Fan Costumes]].
*The music at the very end is the same short tune at the end of [[Under Construction]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:trogday.html|watch "Happy Trogday"]]
*[[HR:trogday.swf|view the Flash file for "Happy Trogday"]]
*[[Forum:6673|Forum thread re: Happy Trogday]]

{{subtitlesLinks|trogday}}

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User talk:Defender1031

Jangles5150 — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:44:37 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Hey! */

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]] One last thing — always sign posts on talk pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (it's an automatic signature and timestamp).
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Show Preview ==

DaFender, meet Show Preview. Show Preview, DaFender. Hey, this button allows you to see edits without having to actually save, so [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] doesn't get flooded. Try it, you'll love it. Your money back if not satisfied! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== reply ==

Its O.K Dan, I'm just new. I'd like to become your friend. [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]] 15:11, 3/9/07

== Not getting the first time ==

Regarding {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=unnatural&curid=31706&diff=429739&oldid=429737 this edit summary}}, no, the anonny may not have any idea why his or her edit disappeared, since new users aren't always aware of the list of recent changes and article histories. Incidentally, there is currently an item in [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] that discusses what to do with links to portmanteaus. It looks like a version with a link to the page (but which does not explain the joke) is going to win out. Talk atcha later. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Fine, thanks for the clarification. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I'm having a bit of trouble learning to have patience for anonnies and newbies. I realize this, I apologize, and I will try harder to keep my patience in the future.

== Userbox ==

What's up? Well, I just noticed, your page doesn't have a userbox. I recomend that you might want to have one. It can explain a lot about you. And they're fun too. Just a friendly notice from {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Happy now? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Dude. ==

Hi there.
I tired to add this to the Senor Cardgage page.

Comparisons can be drawn between Senor Cardgage and real life furniture salesman Mark Norton known for his odd ball late night television advertisements. Usually seen between the hours of 1 and 3 A.M. on the Cleveland FOX affiliate which broadcasts into the Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, And South Eastern Ontario regions.

And you seem to have taken it down...
I apologize if what I added was in any way problematic, I realize I had used some incorrect punctuation and as such was about to fix that when then I noticed the original edit had been taken down. I mostly wanted to highlight the Indiana connection with the Chaps and the possibility that the commercials might have been an influence on the character since they did reside in Indiana for a time. They (the commercials) are now available on You Tube and this has already been the topic of some speculation.
Hope I haven’t inconvenienced you in any way.
Cheers.
Steve.
:I removed it because I felt that such a comparison was [[TTATOT]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Tis true but you might want to check the comercial out before you say that... I Remeber when I first saw one in 2004 it was pretty much the first thing that jumped to mind. Beware what lies within is not for the faint of heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqmht0YVcJQ

:Hey there, Taproots85, and welcome to the wiki! I can see the similarity between Senor Cardgage and that guy (though I'm not sure it's intended). Actually, somebody started a discussion about this [[Talk:Senor Cardgage#Senor based on this guy?|here]] — that would be a good place to discuss it, and if there's consensus in favor of the fact, it can then be added to the article. Welcome again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks Trey,
love the monicker by the way
though I'm more of a Fish man. (no pun intended)

:You're the first one I've come across who knows what my name is referring to :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::Why is all of this going on on MY talk page? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 06:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry about that — I was considering moving some of it, but I couldn't think of how to divide it up so that both parts made sense. Okay, we're done :) Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yo ==

You need a signature. It's cool. It's just a suggestion and you don't have to do it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Da Iron Cup Award! ==

[[Image:Iron cup of Brunswick Stew.jpg|thumb]]
Hey, Defender1031. I saw you've been making tons of good edits, like creating [[Showering]] and [[Sugar]]. So, I wanted to award you (drumroll...) '''THE IRON CUP OF BRUNSWICK STEW'''.
<blockquote>This award, the first on HRWiki, is given to recognize good contributions and to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. It was given to [[The Cheat]] by [[Strong Bad]] for his good work on [[New Boots]].</blockquote>
Keep up the awesome work, Defender1031! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit summaries ==

I'd like to ask you to consider taking a softer tone in your edit summaries. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=prev&oldid=443317 This], for example, is really biting an annonies (you may want to see [[Wikipedia:WP:BITE|this 'Kipedia page]]. Even the latter part of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=from_work&diff=prev&oldid=443467 this] could be handled better with something like "I don't think we need a link to 'corporation'". Remember, someone went to the trouble of writing that link; saying "What the crap?" doesn't really help, even if it is indeed unnecessary. What you're trying to get across can almost always be expressed with a softer tone and is actually typically more effective in driving it home. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:You make a good point. I'll try to be a bit gentler. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism in the sandbox ==

No such thing, Stu. No such thing. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

:I know. It was a joke. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::You [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=449501 did it again]. Please don't use "rv vandalism" in an edit summary for fun. You can be sure that it will cause at least one sysop to check the reverted edit to see if a warning or a block is in order. It's kinda like crying wolf.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I apologize. I didn't think of that consequence when i did it. You can be assured it won't happen again. (PS. I think that quick sand pic should be a permanent part of the sandbox.) Sorry for entrangling you, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

::::No probalo. Now go to bed!!!11!!!one!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

==Geez whiz, kid==
*Well, I am just going to put this out bluntly for you: it is fine for this ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sbemail_169_Deleted_Scene&diff=prev&oldid=452366]) to be here. It is not revealing any spoiler. It is just simply an explanation of "WTF", so quit starting revert wars, aight? I know the undo button looks fun, but, sewiously, the explanation is fine. Best, --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removing facts ==

Hey there DeFender, I was wondering which facts' removal you were referring to {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Eggs_%28toon%29&diff=next&oldid=452799 here}} — you sounded a little upset in the edit summary. Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:well, actually... (blushes)... I read the history wrong, and those facts that were moved... I uh, kinda thought they had gotten deleted... and umm... went back to a previous revision and reverted from there, so i didn't actually touch the facts... and umm... sports team? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, no prob — just checking. I guess that's a good reason to keep [[#Edit summaries|edit summaries]] civil :) Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, i am getting better with the whole edit summaries thing, aren't I? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, I can't say I've been following them that closely; I just noticed that section on your talk page and thought it seemed timely to link to it just as a friendly reminder. But looking through [[Special:Contributions/DeFender1031|your last X0 contributions]], they look fine. Nevertheless, let me take this opportunity to mention that I appreciate your efforts at reverting poor edits; you do a great job of helping keep the wiki tidy! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::[[wikipedia:Zoidberg|Hooray! I'm helping!]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Periods inside of quotation marks ==

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your suggestion, but periods (and commas) always go inside of quotation marks.
Check out this grammar site: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
Jonathan
Fellow H*R fan

:According to THAT standard. Not ours. Ours is more intuative. Btw, thanks for calling me "Dan". It's nice to see that some people care enough to take the time to read a bit about who it is they're talking to. Also, please sign your posts with four tildas "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". it leaves your signature and a link to your page, and lets people know who wrote what. Now get back to that tranglin'! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by "our" standard (and since I'm a spelling nerd, it's "intuitive"). I also don't get the 4 tilda thing. What does it do?

:::"Our" standard as in "the Wiki's" standard. The four tildes add your signature and a date to your posts just like this:{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Found the link: [[HRWiki:Manual of Style#Quotation_marks]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, man...I'll just let it slide and let you explain to the American Bar Association why all your briefs are full of quotation marks! [[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 15:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Hey! I answer to no one about why I choose to fill my underwear with punctuation. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 17:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[flashback|WHAT????!@#$%^&*()]] ==

sorry... Anyway.. It's not part of the email? {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 19:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Super Mario Sunshine Reference ==

Hey, can you possibly PM me on the forums what the SMS reference is that would cause an edit war? --[[User:CX360|CX360]] 21:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== take a day off ==
I'm honored you "stole" my shomer shabbat userbox and gave it such a seat of kavod right up in the number two spot. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Editing another's user page ==

A user flooding recent changes is certainly annoying, but it's not against any rule. {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Luckystar27&curid=34451&diff=454496&oldid=454495 Replacing an entire legitimate user page}}, on the other hand, is a blockable offense. I realize you had good intentions, but please don't do that. (We could probably also do without the thinly veiled swear on his talk page.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thinly veiled swear? What are you talking about exactly? I don't swear. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I was referring to "for the love of G-d and everything holy". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, i don't see that as a swear. I'm sorry if you do and i've offended you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Wow, if god was a swear word, you must hate church! --{{User:CX360/sig}} 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::On the contrary, trivially invoking the names of deities is the original meaning of [[Wikipedia:Swearing|swearing]], and it's out of respect for those things that it's discouraged. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Still, CX's post is one of the funniest things i've seen today. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== <nowiki>[[Redirect]]</nowiki>s ==

What's bad about having an ''s'' after a link? On [[Strong Bad Email]], you can put an ''s'' after it so it will still say [[Strong Bad Emails]] without a redirect. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC) (sorry, though, that I did it a second time. I didn't see that you reverted the 1st one)
:Actually, I owe YOU an apology. I wasn't aware that the link absorbs the "s" like that. There's nothing wrong with it (as long as you're editing an up to date version of mediawiki.) As for the second time, actually, i reverted both after they were both done. No harm done, dorian sorted it all out, explained to me that it absorbs it and fixed it and all. You did what you were supposed to be doing. For that, I applaud you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Sorry 'bout that. Got confoozled. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:No problem bro. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:Retired|Hey!]] ==
Before you go around marking pages for speedy don't you think you should contact the creator or wait a sec and check the discussion page? Anyway, it's gone now but.. It's purpose was to mark users as retired as I was just about to do with my old account. Sorry for the trouble. =) [[User:Speckledorph|Speckledorph]] 20:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Like I said, if they don't go on the wiki anymore, how can they put it on? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::It's unnecessary to have a template for that. Users can mark their old pages as "retired" as they individually wish. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::For example, you can do what [[User:Homsarroks|this guy]] did. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Defender1031

Jangles5150 — Wed, 16 May 2007 20:40:02 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Hey! */

Cheerleader

Jangles5150 — Tue, 15 May 2007 20:00:08 GMT

Jangles5150: undid revision 456690 by 69.115.53.189 (Talk)sounds better

[[Image:tgs-cheer.PNG|thumb|right|220px|Cheer on Cheerleader]]
[[Image:Kiddie_Cheerleader.PNG|thumb|right|220px|Teeny Tiny Cheerleader (not really)]]
[[Image:Cheerleader_color.png|thumb|right|220px|Colorized Cheerleader!]]

==Biography==

'''Cheerleader''' is the ''de facto'' leader of the [[Teen Girl Squad]] whose "real" name is either Virginia, Joy, or Jennifer. She may be seen as a critique of the popular teenage girl; hence, she obsesses about her appearance (specifically fashion) and focuses her energy on dating older or more popular boys.

She leads the Teen Girl Squad with her shrill, domineering manner. While the other members of the squad usually follow her without question, they consider her leadership oppressive. After her demise shortly into [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]], the rest of the squad was overjoyed and cheered, "We're free! The tyranny is over!", as they were then able to follow their own pursuits.

Cheerleader's trademark is her dress, which sports a different saying in every episode. Most sayings indicate either her puerile nature ("li'l brat"), vanity ("2 cute"), or her ongoing search for boys ("boy monger"). She also has blonde hair, which she always wears in pigtails.

Like the rest of the squad, Cheerleader often meets a gruesome or unexpected end. She does not always die, however: she was the sole surviving member in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1|first issue]] and was nearly the sole survivor of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]], but was apparently eaten "off camera" by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|the shark]] at the end of the toon.

Despite her boy mongering, Cheerleader has as of yet failed to successfully date someone, with the exception of going to the Friday night dance with [[Eh! Steve!]] in [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]. When she tried to ask the [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Quarterback|Quarterback]] out in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]], she was CEREBELLUM'D. In [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]], she was SAILING MISHAP'D after she yelled at the olda boys for correctly thinking she was the same age as [[So and So]]. The trend continues in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]], where her attempts to flirt with a trio of Scots only results in her being CABER-TOSS'D (only 23 metres). However, in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]], she goes on a mission to get "Valentimes Day" cards from as many different boys as she can and does in fact receive them, even if by force. She only values them for the "[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Mindy|Mindy]] cred" as she clubs each boy immediately after getting his card.

In issue 5, when she and So and So were trying to get the "Olda boys" to date them, So and So said they were in 8th grade. If this is accepted as accurate, she can be considered about 14 years old.

Cheerleader's mouth has a tendency to curl to impossible lengths. Once was in Issue 10, when upon hearing that [[The Ugly One]] was hosting a boy/girl party, her mouth curled immensely. This also happened when she was given a Valentimes Day card from [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Patchbeard|Patchbeard]] in Issue 12.

===Pre-K Version===

Contrastingly, her pre-K counterpart in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|Teeny Tiny Girl Squad]] was the chubby foodaholic "Fattycakes". She is seen eating a candy bar that was "dipped in salt" (read: dropped in the sandbox).

==Title Card Descriptions==
* hair products! ([[TV Time Toons Menu]])
* cheer! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])
* growth spurt! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2]])
* boy crazy! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]])
* cool parents! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
* two piece! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
* wants a pony ([[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]])
* fattycakes! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
* top 40 hits! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
* backyard pool! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
* groovy grapefruit pink ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
* cell phone! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
* red undies! ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]])

==Text on Shirts==
* diva ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] and [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
* li'l brat ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2]])
* huge bat ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2]])
* princess ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]])
* boys please ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
* purty ([[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]])
* coolier than thou ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
* suga sweet ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
* x-girl ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
* sperld rott'n ([[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
* sell fish ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
* deady's girl ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
* baby daddy ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
* hot v2.0 ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
* who ♥ed? ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]])
* kiss boys (Easter egg in [[theme park]])
* de (Easter egg in [[death metal]])
* solid gold (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* party thyme (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* hott type! (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* rich grrl (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* 2 cool 4 u (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* boy monger (Teen Girl Squad Menu)
* 2 cute (Teen Girl Squad Menu)

==Hurt and/or Killed by==
*Being grasped by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#The Vulture and the Bat|a bat]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2]])
*[[Arrow'd Guy|The Arrow'd Guy's]] [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Giant Brain Mech|Giant Brain Mech]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*A sailing mishap ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*Being squished by a [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fat Man|fat man]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*Falling into the Arrow'd Guy's mouth ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*Being chomped on by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|a shark]] (offscreen) ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Being run over by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Learner's Permit Girl|Learner's Permit Girl]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Being caber-tossed by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Scotsmen|Scotsmen]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*Having her body parts rearranged ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*A "Blinding voip" from [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Science Fiction Greg|Science Fiction Greg's]] bare chest ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*Being skewered by [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#The USB Dongle Goblin|The USB Dongle Goblin]] ([[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]])

==Filmography==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[comic]]
*[[:Category:Cheerleader Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

==Quotes of the Week==

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*{{qotw|"2-3-4. What time is it? It's Valentimes. What time is it? It's Valentimes. What we gone get? Several boys! How we gonna get em? Uh...um...er..."|[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]]|Mirror:valentimes.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"I come for the wuggas, but stay for the jiggy juggas."|[[death metal]] Easter egg|Mirror:cheer jiggyjuggas.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Ooncha! Ooncha! One-two-three-cha! We're Kissyboots and it's nice to meetcha! Ooncha! Ooncha! One-two-three-cha! Gonna get a breadtangle of [[Pizza|pizza]]!"|[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]|Mirror:ooncha all.mp3}}
|}

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Teen Girl Squad Characters]]

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[[Image:jangles personal image.jpg|thumb|right|220px|Me playing bass at a local club.]]

Yo i be Jangles.
peace.

'''[[User_talk:Jangles5150|my talk]]'''

'''[[Special:Contributions/Jangles5150|my contribs]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/sig|my signiture]]'''

'''[[User:Jangles5150/userboxes|my userboxes]]'''

==about me==
yeah, and i pretty much am the coolest guy in school. and the best looking. im in a band, called propaganda. we played at the recher! oh yeah!

My first HSR-related thing I saw was the email [[army]], which was the newest email at the time, when some guy at my church showed it to me. Later that night at dinner, I was telling my parents about it, but I only saw that one email, and nothing else, so when they asked what it was about, I said "Some guy who checks his email". Later that night, I went back on and watched... [[Special:Random|I don't know]].

==Username==
The Jangles part came from the name of a frog that me and James(who is way funnier then all of you) caught and named. The 5150 part comes from the name of a [[Wikipedia:Van_Halen|Van Halen]] album. Now, Van Halen Fans will know that 5150 is a an album with Sammy Hagar on it. And he sucks! But, in my defense, there are no DLR albums that have #'s for names! The End.

==Some musicals==
i like the sex pistols, led zeppelin, black sabbath, the beatles,
the clash, the ramones, elvis presley, twisted sister, U2,
van halen, ac/dc, bob marley, lynyrd skynyrd, the grateful dead, and jmi hendrix. and CREAM!! and QUEEN!! and PAGE AND PLANT!!

==quotes! yay!==
yeah, so put your guess on my talk page. put the name of the movie and the character, or the song and
band.

ok, so

1)"Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright, they just seem a little weird"-- [[Wikipedia:Surrender_Cheap_Trick_Song)|Surrender]], By [[Wikipedia:Cheap_Trick|Cheap Trick.]]

2)"Umm, Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to Move your desk into the basement"-- [[Wikipedia:Office_Space|Office Space]], Lumbergh says it to Milton.

3)"Mother! Oh God, mother! Blood! Blood!" [[Wikipedia:Psycho(1960_movie))|Psycho]], Norman Bates says it to his mother

4)"I love them Redheads!" Dazed and Confused.

5)"This is US history, I see the globe right there" Jeff Spicoli says it to Mr. Hand, [[Wikipedia:Fast_Times_At_Ridgemont_High|Fast Times At Ridgemont High]].

if you get it right ill put you on a list

==More quotes==
ok, these are movies, songs, and TV shows. For the songs, name the album, song, and artist. for Tv shows say the name of the show and the charecter. same thing for movies.

1)"Oh My God, They Killed Kenny!"(so easy its not funny) Kyle and/or stan, [[Wikipedia:South_Park|South Park]]

2)"Baby, Since I've Been Loving You, I'm about to lose, I'm about lose to my worried mind" "since ive been loving you", by [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin(band)|Led Zeppelin]], on the album [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin_III|Led Zeppelin III]].

3)"My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get." [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(charecter|Forrest Gump]], [[Wikipedia:Forrest_Gump(movie)|Forrest Gump]].

==people who are... right==
put this

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on your page if you get one right

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} got #1 right!
:{{User:Trey56/sig}} got #2 right.
:::{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} got #3 right
{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} got #4 right
:{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}} got #5 right
::{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} got the other #1 right.
:::{{User:The Mu/sig}} got the other #3 right.
{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} got the third 1 and 2 right!
:[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] got the last #3 right.

There will not be any more quotes . Ever. You people are too good. I'll have to watch some more movies. Until then, Adios. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 16:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

==some harder quotes==
these are all movies. give the movie. thats it.

1)"Where'd you get those shootin' skills?" "[[Wikipedia:Grand_Theft_Auto_3|Grand Theft Auto 3]], dawg!" [[Wikipedia:Malibu's_Most_Wanted|Malibu's Most Wanted]].

2)"It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple matter of weight ratios! A five-ounce bird could not carry a one-pound coconut!" The Guard, [[Wikipedia:Monty_python_and_the_holy_grail|Monty Python And The Holy Grail]]/

3)" Dude, on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being not so extreme and 10 being extremely extreme, I give this a 9.5!" Extreme Guy, [[Wikipedia:Harold_and _kumar_go_to_white_castle|Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle]]

==Some cool people!==
{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} thats me!

{{User:Trey56/sig}} for helping me with my sig (see above) and for being a playa. and not a playa ''hata''. and for helping me with, like, everything. and for getting a quote right.

{{User:Sam the Man/sig}} for helping me with my sig. hes a playa too. he also got a quote right.

{{User:The Mu/sig}} for getting a quote right. a FORREST GUMP quote! that just makes him cool

{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} for knowing his [[Wikipedia:Led_Zeppelin|Zeppelin]].

{{User:Pants 3000/sig}} for getting ''2'' quotes right. Not just ''1'', but ''2''.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] for getting the LAST EVER QUOTE right.

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Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 22:22:13 GMT

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== [[User:Trey56#NES Endings Trivia Challenge|NES Endings Trivia Challenge]]==
===12 February 2007===
[[Image:The cheat rampage videogame.PNG|thumb|"MY PANTIES!"]]
The game is [[Wikipedia:Rampage (arcade game)|Rampage]], which was ported to the NES. [[rampage]] makes reference to the game when [[:Image:The cheat rampage videogame.PNG|The Cheat]] and [[:Image:Strong mad rampage videogame.PNG|Strong Mad]] rampage about in the [[rampage#Easter Eggs|Easter egg]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

:Exactly! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

===21 February 2007===
[[Wikipedia:River City Ransom|River City Ransom]] is the game, and the email is [[theme party]] because the pink shirted enemies are frat guys. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

:Nice work — that's exactly what I was thinking of :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

===6 March 2007===
The game is [[Wikipedia:Contra (series)|Contra]]. Took place in the [[Wikipedia:Amazon Basin|Amazon Basin]]. "amazon" is part of the URL for [[Bookazon.com]] which features [[Leomard Sportsinterviews]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:Yep — as opposed to other versions of the game, which apparently took place off the coast of [[User:Loafing|New Zealand]]. Well done! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
This may be unrelated, but Strong Bad [[Couch Mumbling|mumbled]] Super Contra in his sleep once. I think that may be a sequel or something. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 14:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

:Nope, not unrelated at all; that's [[Wikipedia:Super Contra|the first sequel]] to Contra, and I considered using that as the clue for this one... Good catch! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

===14 March 2007===
The game is [[Wikipedia:RoboCop (video game)|RoboCop]]. [[Homestarloween Party]] introduced [[Visor Robot]], who shares [[Wikipedia:RoboCop|RoboCop's]] [[Wikipedia:RoboCop#Visor|visor]] and the "Robo" portion of the name. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

:That's correct — also, according to Strong Sad, the Visor Robot has a human brain, just as Robocop has some human organs...but that's stretching the connection :P Good work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::Ahhh! So ''that'' was the connection! I knew it was RoboCop by looking at the [[:Image:NES Ending.jpg|Bigger image]] (it's the last scene of the movie) but it didn't occurr to me that it was the visor robot that was modeled after it :(. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the question was admittedly kind of a stretch on this one — way to recognize the game, though! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you! Next time I'll just have to beat Tom somehow. If that's at all possible ;). Dude, you're quick replying. Do you sleep? Both last night and this morning (US Eastern Time Zone) you replied quickly to my notes! I know you're a native german speaker (I think Dorian mentioned that in some other talk page): do you live in Europe? Anyway, next time, I'll be ready ;). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sleep? What's that? Naw, I live in Chicago, and I only speak English very well — you might be thinking of [[User:Loafing|Loafing]], who's a native German speaker. As for being on at weird hours, that comes from the combination of being a grad student and a parent of a young child ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Ah! Loafing! Yes, yes I did confuse you guys. Did I tell you that I am bad with names? Ah! Yes, I know the Grad Student part very well. I can understand the parent part. I know this is late but, congratulations! (On the parent thing). :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Thanks! :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

===20 March 2007===
The game is [[Wikipedia:Maniac Mansion|Maniac Mansion]]. The ending you have there is seen if you choose to shoot the meteor into space. The game is explicitly referenced in frame 792 of [[lackey]] in the [[Floppy Disk Container#maniac_mansion|Floppy Disk Container]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:Wow, I can't stump you! Looks like I'll have to look for some more obscure games. Yep, that's exactly right — as a side note, I love it when TBC put little Easter eggs in their toons that you can only find by decompiling the Flash file (that floppy disk is mostly obscured by the black border). Good work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
::''(had an edit conflict and I just *now* noticed it.)'' How, just ''HOW'' do you do it!? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:::'''''[[looking old|Whaaa-donk. Click click click click click click click. This is not a drill.]]''''' --Get what I mean? Why don't you try to explain this to the people here? [[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 22:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::::It's funny you brought that up — I noticed that too. It is '''clearly''' not the noise found in the NES version. Do you happen to know if it's the noise used in the PC version, or is the fact completely wrong? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, this and Wikipedia are subject to hoaxes... I wonder though. I don't have such a thing so I don't know. Man, if only a <nowiki>{{verification needed}}</nowiki> tag existed here. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 22:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yes — anyway, thanks for reminding me about that :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

===27 March 2007===

So, since I have nothing to lose, I might as well observe that the statue that appears there seems to be a moai, so I'm wondering if the game might be Moai Kun. Mind you, I never played it and the screenshots I'm seeing don't look very similar to what you've got, so probably not. But heck, might as well try. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:You're on the right track; but that's not the right game... good guess! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
::Thought not, but hey, at least I could demonstrate my knowledge of the word "moai". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I would have said "Easter Island head" :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The game is [[Wikipedia:Arkanoid|Arkanoid]]. The boss Doh behaves very much like [[Vector Strong Bad]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:Yep, you're right! Can't fool you. In retrospect, I didn't know that there was an article on [[Wikipedia:Moai in popular culture|Moai in popular culture]], although you perhaps didn't use that... Good job!{{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

::And in speaking Bubble Bobble series terms, and back into the infamous [[/NES Archive 1#23 January 2007|Bubble Bobble 2 ambiguation]]: Yes, [[Wikipedia:Rainbow Islands|Rainbow Islands]] has that boss and an island that makes a reference to Arkanoid (probably with deadly balls that once again kill the player instantly on contact, as it is with such games) too. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

::And another game that features [[Wikipedia:Moai|moais]]: [[Wikipedia:Parodius Da! －Shinwa kara Owarai e－|Parodius Da]] (aka the "Nonsense fantasy", the first game released on the SNES). --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I didn't know about those ones — I'll have to play them soon! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

===3 April 2007===
[[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros. 3|Super Mario Bros. 3]] is the game, I believe. The toon is [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]], in which [[The King of Town]] says "Sorry, king, but our princess is an another castle!" {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
:Exactly — nice work! (and fast too) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::Not exactly,
<blockquote>The game is [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros. 3|Super Mario Bros. 3]]. The quote is "But our Princess is in another castle" which is quoted as "Sorry, King, but our princess is in another castle..." by [[The King of Town]] in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]].</blockquote>
::See [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/a/marioIII-4.gif marioIII-4.gif] :P -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes — you're right. Close enough, though :P Also, I should note that both ''Super Mario Bros. 3'' and the KOT are referencing the original message at the end of the first seven worlds of ''[[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros.|Super Mario Bros.]]'' {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:41, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Of course. Good work Heimstern! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, that last bit was more for completeness than 'cause I thought people didn't know it. Thanks for playing, guys :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

And you know what's '''''more''''' for completeness? And that people don't even know?!

{{spoiler}}

Well, I remember reading somewhere that what Princess Toadstool/Peach said at the end was different in the Japanese NES version (and even in the [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Advance 4|GBA remake]], so I remember playing once). I do not wanna spaz out on every single unnecessary change, so I'll quote, from [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_j-e.shtml this site]:

<blockquote>The Japanese SMB3 features a more serious Princess Toadstool. In the Japanese version, Princess Toadstool originally said, "Thank you! Finally, peace returns to the Mushroom World. The end!"</blockquote>

Picture: [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/images/j-e/smb3_peach.gif "Hahaha! Oh wait..."]

As a side note:
<blockquote>...it is interesting to note that neither the Japanese nor English versions of SMB3 in Super Mario All-Stars are based on their respective NES versions. Instead, both games contain an amalgamation of the Japanese and English versions, with the level changes (such as the world 1-1 Fortress) remaining from English version, along with the graphic "gimmicks" (such as the suit flying off effect) from the Japanese version.</blockquote>

And if I must state again ([[crying|"Oh no! Don't do it!!!"]]) '''''Oh drop that.''' Anyway, if I must state it again,'' I said that the non-joke ending was also repeated for the [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Advance 4|GBA remake]]. Princess Toadstool/Peach says [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gba/d/sma4-4.png "Thank you! Peace has at last returned to our Mushroom Kingdom!"] And with that, I re-checked and it was like that.

Well, I'll have to ask you to go back to [http://www.themushroomkingdom.net/smb3_j-e.shtml here] and [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/gba/d/sma4.htm here]. The original world names from the NES Japanese edit were mostly kept for the GBA remake. "Castle of Koopa" was kept ''but of course they changed it to'' "Bowser's Castle", in my opinion because they had to change that to fit today's standards... or something.

And if you ever play the GBA remake, you'll see they decided to add a little motion to the static pictures of the original, so that all the characters fit into the place when the freeze-frame sets in for each of them. (Get what I'm saying?)

:'''Spoilers end here.'''

And so ends another ending plot expansion since the last time I stressed over Bubble Bobble and its own NES differences. Not that I'm stressing now. Really. And that's it. Hopefully I won't have to overload ending plot discrepancies again. Alright now. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 19:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

:Wow — interesting! I didn't know any of that! I think I like the English NES ending the best, though. That sneaky Princess! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

===12 April 2007===
The game is [[Wikipedia:Metroid|Metroid]]. [[TBC]] [[japanese cartoon#Easter Eggs|finished it]] in under three hours but in more than one hour. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:00, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yup, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Quite good, quite good]]. And you got it in only 5 minutes! :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::While tempting, no pictures of you in a bikini are necessary. Thanks though. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Oh, the picture of me in a bikini (=S) is reserved for 0-1 second replies. The 1 second—10 minute completions are rewarded with [[:Image:Da Huuuuuudge closeup.png|this tantalizing treat]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Boom tick tick tick. Look, it is '''''impossible''''' for something to be submitted in only one second nowadays, with the inexplicable slowdowns and the time it takes for the Save changes button to work!!! Wait. I'm gonna put something else up. Let me verify it first. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

And who's to say how many seconds passed when you refresh a page and your thing is there?! It would already have been 29 seconds [[Everybody to the Limit|over the limit! Because everybody's at the limit]]. Now if you'll excuse me... Don't force anyone to try to reply to one second because it is downright impossible in a Wiki of this stature! --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, let me tell you that if you put in [[invisibility#Easter Eggs|someone named Justin whose last name is Bailey]]... I don't want to tell you any more because you'd have figured it out, along with the other way you can get into [[Strong Bad's Message Bored|the Board. Uh, bored.]] Ugh, [[Wikipedia:Detroit Red Wings|Detroit]] leads 2-0 over [[Wikipedia:Calgary Flames|us]]... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, impossibility is exactly the feature of the 1 second limit that attracted me to it! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

=== 18 April 2007 ===
Not working out for me. As I said, I am not familiar with many NES games. Someone can provide their guess now. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 13:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The game is [[Wikipedia:Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos|Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos]]. The [[Shadowy Figure]] is modeled after [[Wikipedia:List of Ninja Gaiden characters#Ashtar|Ashtar]], one of the main antagonists of the game. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yes — great job! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Erm, is this true? (That is Shadowy Figure being modeled after Ashtar.) [[Stinkoman_20X6_Real-World_References#Other_Games|If so]], why isn't this information listed in the [[Shadowy Figure]] page? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::It ''was'' at one point, but it must have been removed... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Ah! Any idea why? Was it removed for a good reason? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh, it looks like it was removed {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Shadowy_Figure&diff=next&oldid=137740 here}}. I added that fact pretty early on in my wiki youthfulness, but I still think the similarity is intentional. I'm biased though, {{p|l=http://youtube.com/watch?v=wmIbCNSsLqk judge for yourself}} :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

=== 1 May 2007 ===
The game is [[Wikipedia:Dragon Warrior II|Dragon Warrior II]]. The Gremlin's Armor and the Gremlin's Tail are both cursed items and share a name with the [[Gremlin]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:30, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yup! I was thinking particularly of the tail, but you're absolutely right :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

=== 12 May 2007 ===
The game is [[Wikipedia:Street Fighter 2010|Street Fighter 2010: The Final Fight]]. [[Homestar Runner]] imitates [[Wikipedia:Ken (Street Fighter)|Ken from Street Fighter]] in [[dangeresque 3]]. The English localization of the game changed the main character's identity and backstory from Kevin Striker to Ken to imply that he is the same Ken from the original [[Wikipedia:Street Fighter (video game)|Street Fighter]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

:Wow, nice work — I can't stump you! [[Wikipedia:Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku|The pipes are broken!]] {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

::And to think I read about that spinoff game once on Wikipedia. Guess I'm still not familiar with NES games. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 21:26, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

== Looking For Assignments ==

Hi, there. . . I'm really looking for some way to make myself useful to the Wiki community (so I don't feel like I joined for no reason ^_^), but I checked stuff out on the Stick and everything I looked at seemed to be done already. Any suggestions? I'm primarily suited for WikiGnome activities--correcting spelling, grammar, cleaning stuff up, etc. Anyway appreciate any help you can give me. Eh! Megan 03:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:When I am bored, I hit the [[Special:Random|random page link]] in the left column, and look for ways the articles I find might be improved. Try that. And incidentally, did you sign your talk posts with 4 ~'s? It didn't appear like [[User:Eh! Megan/sig|I think you intended]]. Check your settings in preferences again, be sure you have the correct page "User:Eh! Megan/sig" in the signature box. I'm guessing it's not right. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 13:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

::Eh! Megan! Qermaq's suggestion is a good one. Here are a couple other ideas:
::*[[:Category:Articles needing cleanup]] — These articles need to be cleaned up, for various reasons (which should be listed on their talk pages).
::*[[:Category:Articles for Discussion]] — These articles have been proposed to be merged with other articles or deleted. Getting involved with these types of discussions is a good way to find out what makes a good article and might give you some ideas of ways to improve other articles.
::*[[HRWiki:List of common misspellings]] — If you click on the links, they'll take you to any pages that contain those misspellings. I'm not sure how much luck you'll have there, but it's worth a try.
::*Lastly, there will probably be a [[homestarrunner.com]] update on Monday, so check back then and there will be quite a few things that need to be updated.
::Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any other questions! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

== Featured articles ==

Can only sysops create featured articles? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Do you mean, select which ones are featured? If that's what you mean, then no, it's a community decision: [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:57, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::Can only sysops '''write''' featured articles. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::Okay, I think I see what you mean. No, there's no way to be able to predict if an article will one day be featured when it's written. As you know, anybody can create an article, but featured articles are selected from previously existing articles that are deemed to have major significance to the Homestar Runner body of work. Those decisions are made at the above link. Does this answer your question? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Close, but no. Let's say I wrote about Sports for a featured article. Can anybody create those articles or can only sysops create it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::Anybody can, after consensus is reached about which article will be featured at the above link. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== :-) ==

New sbemail! Happy! {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 14:08, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yay! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== SB2O ==

Is there any way you could get [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] and [[SB2O]]'s history to say I created the page because I did create it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Fixed. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 15:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== I'm Sam the Man but am in Hyperactive's profile ==

Hi Trey56. This is Hyperactive090. I'm actually Sam the Man at his house. Well, I was wondering, are my pages good enough to be a good page? {{User:Hyperactive090/sig}} though I'm really {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Hello, [[User:Hyperactive090|Hyperactive090]] / [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]]. Just so you know, you shouldn't edit the wiki from other users' accounts ([[HRWiki:Blocking Policy#"Public" accounts|see policy here]]). You should be aware of this, as users have been blocked for similar actions in the past.

:I'm not quite sure what you're asking. Are you asking if articles that you've created are good enough to be featured on the Main Page? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

==ZAGNUT==
Oddly enough [[Wikipedia:ZAGNUT|Wikipedia]] alwways listed those candy bars on Homestar as ZAGNUTS. It was only us who were unconvinced, be fore you presented your evidence. ([[User:Geshmalderborgen|Geshmalderborgen]] 20:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC))
:Yeah — it only specifically lists the appearance in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], but it looks like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ZAGNUT&diff=123340844&oldid=122543864 this editor] added information in response to the more recent appearances... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

== sry ==

Sorry for being such a newb. I learned up by reading all sorts of policy and such. Is user js enadled here? Cause I can edit better with it. Thnx, --{{User:Darkest Hour/sig}} 22:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

:No problem. Yes, you can access your monobook.js page [[Special:Mypage/monobook.js|here]]. Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sysop? ==

[[little questions|How do I am becoming a Sysop? Many thank yous]], {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 16:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

:There's [[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|a section on the wiki FAQ]] that addresses this. Keep on tranglin, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== MVU ==

Congratulation! You won the MVU (The Most Valuable User). You are the '''2nd''' user to win the award. Congrats on the award! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Thanks :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

==Template==

How do I make a template? Because I want to make a template of all of [[Strong Bad]]'s Computers, but I don't know how. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:Have you read [[Help:Template]]? I rewrote that some time ago to make it easier to understand. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:[[Help:Template]] has some instructions on it. You can also take a previously existing template and modify it. I see that you started a topic on this at [[Talk:Strong Bad#Computers]] — if you decide to create a sample template, you should probably post it in that section before you create a page on it, to get other users' feedback. Once you create a sample, I'm pretty sure users will be more likely to respond. Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

::By the way, if you decide to go the route of modifying a previously existing template, {{t|Strong Sad variations}} or one of the other [[:Category:Navigation Templates|navigation templates]] might be a good place to start. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:53, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I still don't get it. How do I start a new template? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 23:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

::::{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:Strong_Sad_variations&action=edit Take a look at Template:Strong Sad variations}} — go ahead and copy it to the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]], and the things you need to change are the text and links. Give it a try, and if you get stuck, go ahead and save the page (again, in the Sandbox). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:58, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::What do you want me to change about it, and ill try my best. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Well, that's an example of a template that might be of the form you'd use for the various computers. Use the syntax of that template, but replace the text with what would be appropriate for a computer navigation template. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:10, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Oh. Groovy. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I made it. Should I put it on the [[Strong Bad]] talk page? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:15, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:Looks good (I made one tweak to the link of the title). Go ahead and post it on the talk page, if you like, and let's see what people think about it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:17, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
::Did that. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sweet — I'll stop by and provide my input sometime soon... {{User:Trey56/sig}}
::::Ok. Thanks for all the help with, like, '''everything'''.--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 00:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No prob :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:24, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== math problem ==
{{userboxtop|'''Awards'''}}
{{userbox|border=#000|mainbkgd=#3FC|codebkgd=#069|codecolor=#0FF|code=2+2=4|msg=This user has answered a [[User:Zerlock1124#Brain busters|math problem of the week]] correctly.}}
{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#03F103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#00F103|code=Q!|msg=This user has answered a '''[[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quote]]'''. '''[[Senor_Cardgage_Mortgage|He/she has a leg up on the pile]]!'''}}
|}
smooth, my friend. you got the math problem right. I'll probably make like a user box or something as a reward, so check back often.

-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

:<nowiki>:</nowiki>D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:22, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Here you go: 
:''(userbox moved to tower to the right)''
-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

:Thanks! If I add any more userboxes on my other page, they'll creep into my NES Endings section and push down the image, so I'm gonna keep it here :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for telling me ==

Get rid of the following images:

Image: IMG_2617
Image: IMG_2434
Image: Sucky_Treats

Sure, upload bigger versions of the two images and use them in userboxes.

Stealthily Yours, 
{{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

:Okay, cool — thanks a lot! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merging into another page ==

Hey, I need some help. How do I merge a page into another page that already exists? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:It depends on the pages, really. But generally speaking, once there's consensus on a talk page to do this, then look for any places in the permanent article where the new information might already be listed, and then add in anything that's missing. You may or may not have to create a new section on the page for the new information. Hope this helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Not really. Let's say I wanted to merge [[Burninating]] into [[Trogdor]]. How could I merge that? Every time a try to merge a page into a page that already exists, it won't let me. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::Oh, you're trying to do it with the "move" tab — that won't work. You have to edit the articles manually. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You can't really "move" a page into another if that's what you're trying to do. Mediawiki is designed to not allow anyone to do that. The only way to "move" into an existing page is to first delete the target page (an admin would have to do that). However, I doubt that is your intention here, so like Trey said: if you want to merge two articles you have to do it ''by hand'', thus carefully you must "''look for any places in the permanent article where the new information might already be listed, and then add in anything that's missing.''" There is no automated way of doing that. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank-you, both of you. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Response to comment left on my talk page ==

See title... You made a bit of an oops. I think you may need to have your vision checked or something. Check my talk page for the response. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're absolutely right — sorry about that. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== My page ==

Could you fix my page? it's all messed up. {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 12:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:Looks like [[User:Shwoo|Shwoo]] {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Lazylaces&oldid=449311 fixed it}}. Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:10, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

==Userbox==

How do I make a userbox? Because I want to make one for the [[User:Jangles5150#some_quotes!|quotes]] thing on my [[User:Jangles5150|page]]. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Take something like this:
<pre>{{userbox|border=#000000|mainbkgd=#FF6103|codebkgd=#000000|codecolor=#FF6103|code=RC|msg=This user patrols '''[[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]]'''.}}</pre>
:Just edit the parts you want to change. The six digit things are [[Help:Color_codes|color codes]] for the various parts of the userbox, the "code" is the text that appears on the left, and the rest is the text that appears in the main box. Let me know if you have any questions! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok. Cool. Thanks. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook help ==

I need help with my monobook. Can you help me? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Unfortunately, I don't know that much about that, as you may be able to tell from my [[User:Trey56/monobook.css|monobook.css]] page. Sorry about that. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

==How do you work this thing?==

I don't get this talk page. Culd you please explain to me how to use it? Anyway, I left this here to thank you for correcting my previous and very large blunder before about the Atari Dragon. Go ahead and just get rid of this section when you've read it. Thanks again.
Signed, [[User talk:72.133.214.202|72.133.214.202]]

:No problem at all — which talk page are you asking about? Let me know if I can help you out with anything else. Best, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:51, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::You might start at [[HRW:TALK|the Talk Page ettiquette]] page, it might help you to start. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

==SBemails==

Can I make the transcript for the next SBEmail? I think I understand how the transcripts are formatted, and also, there's really not much else to do. I really didn't know who to ask, so I asked you. So, yeah. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:Sorry this post turned out to be so long, but if you have time to read it, it should be helpful information:

:Hey there — the only way to reserve a transcript is to be around when the toon is released and put <nowiki>{{transcriptinprogress|Jangles5150}}</nowiki> in the Transcript section. Assuming you're from the U.S., they're usually released in the wee hours of Monday morning or very late Sunday evening. On occasion, though, (usually when they post an "email soon" or similar Main Page message), the update is released Monday afternoon or evening. So, if you want to write a transcript, you'll have to be around right when the update is released, and I highly recommend being in [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC]] (particularly {{p|l=irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-rc hrwiki-RC}}) to get first notice of when that happens.

:Other than that, there really is a lot to do other than writing the transcript for the week's update. First, there are always a lot of other things that need to be updated after the week's new toon has released. Second, at any time of the week, check in on [[Special:Recent Changes|Recent Changes]] (or get a live feed of these at {{p|l=irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-rc hrwiki-RC}}) and go through the edits people have made. A lot of times you'll find poor edits that need to be modified or reverted, and a lot of times you'll find talk page discussions that you can get involved on. As you do this more and more, you'll get a better idea of what kinds of things need to be done on the wiki throughout the week beyond the weekly update, and you may even find a project that you want to be consistently involved in.

:Hope this helps, and let me know if you have any questions about anything! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, [[Wikipedia:Nevermind|nevermind]] then. I have sleeping... time... in the wee hours of Monday morning. So that's out of the question. I thought only sysops could revert, though. I do get involved in some talk page discussions sometimes. Thanks for the info, --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::No problem. If I were you, I'd hold out for an "email soon" message and try to snag the transcript on Monday afternoon/evening. That happens fairly often. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok, I'll try to do that. But until then, I'll just keep looking at Recent Changes. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Okay, sounds good. If I see any other projects that I think you might be interested in working on, I'll try to leave a message on your talk page. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cool. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

==Image Subpage==
Okay, go ahead and delete it.{{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 21:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:Cool; thanks for understanding. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

==huh?==
i was trying to edit [[naked homestar]] and i got some weird redirect crap, but was unable to fix a typo, because the text of the page wasnt there... how do i edit this page? thanks {{User:TheDude/sig}} 13:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:Strange — when I click on the link above, I have no problems. Does using this link ([[Naked Homestar]]) help at all? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

==Up and Running!==
Hey I got my Nintendo Challenge up and running on my userpage. Thanks again for letting me do this! I betcha you can figure out the question. It is pretty easy. :D {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 19:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Theyellowdart&curid=29863&diff=454830&oldid=454765 Whee!}} {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I got another one next week that won't be so hard. :P --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 21:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Copyright ==

Could I copy your NES trivia thing please? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:Sure, although [[User:Theyellowdart#Nintendo Trivia Challenge (Similar Idea by Trey-Used With Permission)|Theyellowdart]] is doing the same thing as well. The more people that do the same trivia game, the less fun each person's will be, I fear. I guess I'd recommend that you try to think of your own Homestar Runner-related trivia game, but I don't have any objections to you copying mine if you want. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you very much. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

==Personal Image==

Even though I'm under 18, can I still have a personal image of myself, if it's impossible to see my face? Because I have a picture of me playing Bass at a local club/bar/concert hall, and you can't really see my face in it. So, could I use that? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, as long as you're not under 13. That's the limit stated on [[HRWiki:Youth protection]]. Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::But apparently you're [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Has_Matt%3F&curid=15096&diff=456397&oldid=453107&rcid=410499 turning 13 tomorrow]! {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, I am turning 13 tomarrow. Wow. That was weird. So, I'll upload it tomarrow. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Trey56

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 22:14:57 GMT

Jangles5150:

User talk:Has Matt?

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 22:12:07 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Sysop */

<center><big>'''''For an archive of past discussions, please go [[User talk:Has Matt?/archive2|here]].'''''</big></center>

<center><big>'''''For an archive of even more past discussions, please go [[User talk:Has Matt?/archive1|there]].'''''</big></center>

==Sysop==
*I've noticed your bountiful contributions. Why in the world aren't you a sysop? C'mon, juys, only a sysop in the right mind would make this guy one! You should be made a sysop!! {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

:As you may know, we don't take suggestions. Especially not ones as horribly blatant as this. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
::I know it, but the guy has made a good impact on this wiki. Why don't you guys think about it? :-) {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
:::While I have to thank you for your nice compliments, I seriously don't think I'm ready to become a sysop right now. Sysops are the guys that are always on HRWiki talk pages coming up with new ideas, discussing and later carrying out new projects. They're the guys that have to be able to talk calmly and rationally with vandals and people that don't always agree with their policies. They know the ins and outs of this Wiki, and they work hard at keeping the Wiki clean and functioning. While I may have created all those pages and made all those edits, I really feel that I'm just not experienced enough to be a sysop, and I truly don't know if I'll ever be, especially now that I don't have as much time to Wiki as I used to. I'm content with just working on the sidelines and doing my part to make this Wiki as good as it can be. Being a sysop would be majorly cool, but it's probably too much responsibility for a kid like me.

:::{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC) (P.S. You're a prooty awesome user yourself, Theyellowdart! I'll be keeping my eye on you...)
::::You are a "kid"? How old are you? Yeah, you are right. Sysop...ing is a dirty job. Hey, let's get Mike Rowe to spend a day being a sysop for [[Wikipedia:Dirty Jobs|Dirty Jobs]]!! Ha ha. {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}. Hey thanks for the encouragement, too. EDIT: I just added you to my Cool People list. See you around.
:::::I'm 13, to be exact. There was a discussion about in one of those two archives, I think. Apparently, you're not the only one to wonder about my age. Oh, and thanks for putting me on your list! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::I know this is random, but I'm turning 13 on May 15. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== This Personal Image Will Self Destruct... ==

Hey, Has Matt?. Seeing as we're both online at the same time, I might as well ask you something: Can I delete your abandoned personal image, [[:Image:Has matt image.PNG]]? Or do you want to keep it for a future occasion? I'm only asking your permission so I can help clear up the wiki a little bit. Cheerio, {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, go ahead and delete it. That was from a long time ago. Thanks for asking me before you deleted it, though. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
::You're welcome. And now if you'd please turn in your hymnals, and join me in singing number 119, a-deleted... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== Yo ==

Hi! {{User:The thing/sig}} 14:15, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:Uh... hi! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::I havn't been here in a while! {{User:The thing/sig}} 14:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I kinda noticed that. Have you been on the Fanstuff Wiki? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::::No. I was just really busy. {{User:The thing/sig}} 14:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Not deleting images ==

Please stop tagging those images. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:Why? There's no need to keep any of them. Phlip removed the images from [[Fan Stuff]] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fan_Stuff&diff=429182&oldid=421872 explained why]. If we can't use all the images of the [[Original Book]], [[Strumstar Hammer]] or [[Sketchbook (museum)]] because, as you said, reproducing the images "is even more of a copyright violation than we normally do", why must we keep these images? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::I had a problem with their being collected all on one page. But there's no reason at this time to delete them from the server. Also, if Phlip had intended for them to be removed completely, he could have done so. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:::But I thought if we really wanted to sort this copyright business properly, we needed to delete all the images. That's what we did with the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Original_Book&oldid=193498 Original Book] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strumstar_Hammer&oldid=409085 Strumstar Hammer]. From what you're saying, there was no reason for those images to be deleted. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:11, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I would have said that ''then'', but I'd say it now. Things have changed in the year and a half since those images were deleted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:16, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::So basically, from now on, we only delete images if they're...? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::...an exact or lesser-quality duplicate of an image we already have. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:26, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ok, then. So even if they're unused and will problably never be used again, what the hey, we might as well keep them because we don't have a server issue. I see. Thank you for clearing this up for me. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Seriously, it hurts ==

I'm sorry, your user page is freakin' hilarious. It literally hurts to laugh. I was also literllay laughing out loud and literally hitting my knee. (By the way, this is real Bluebry talking. Not 2006 Bluebry, Newb Bluebry, William with Wheels, or Link ([[HRFWiki:User:Bluebry_muffin|Fanstuff]], yo).) {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:DONT LAFF AT ME YOU MEAAN!!!!... :( imtaking u off cool people list!!!!!! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

no im not plz i didnt meen to b mean plz ad me bak im sry {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

il add u bak if u <big><big>VOTE 4 SANJAYA</big></big> {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

no shes stupid i vote 4 some1 else {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)shut up i don wach amercan idol i wach 24 & lost cuz every1 else does {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:57, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

HOW DARE U CALL SANJAYA SHE?!1!? SANJAYA'S RATH WILL B UP ON U!!!!!!!!!! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

lost is stupid cause i dont undertand teh plot 24 is ok tho...

heros pwns everything cept SANJAYA cause SANJAYA can't be pwned

oh, and i still h8 u. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

ur meen im cring how do it feeel {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

it feeeeel GOOOOD! an OTHER VICTORY 4 SANJAYA! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

shut up il get dot com 2 blok u n u cant go 2 th sit evah how dat feel {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont get dot com he blocks poeple!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! IIL B NICE ISWEAR !!!!! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

put me on yur cool peep list agan n i won tel im n il put u on my col peepl list k?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 
{{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:30, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

FINE!!!!! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

kewl ur on my cool peepl list now n id say sin my guestbok but u cant cuz wer not allwed {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

WAT?!?1/! who said were not alowed? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

da stuuuupid mods dey said no mor gestbooks so we cant hav guestbks no mor {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

DAT SUX0RZ! i hate the stupid mods for not alowing gestbooks! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

lets lik b meen to ppl n stuf til we get gestbooks in protest lts get gustbooks n the mods can do nuthin roflolmmorpglotrloz {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

good idea! your so smart bluebry! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

What's going on around here? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

IS TEH STUUUPID MODS! GIVE US GESTBOOKS OR IL PROTEST AT SKOL N THE NEWS WIL B THER! {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:44, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

YAH! WAT HE SAID! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

YA DO U lik my imag

[[Image:Blueberry.PNG|500px]]

LAWL {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
: You guys are annoying [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]]. Please stop OR IL GET DOTCOM TO BLOK U AND TEHN U CANT DO NOHTINGS LOL {{User:Jay/sig}} 03:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

NO PLZ DONT WEL B GUD DOT COM BLOKS PPL NOT US WER NOT SPAMBOTS PLZ DON {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
You, Jay, are a lost cause. I don't know why we rose you from the depths of hell for this. I wash my hands of you. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:52, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

ZOMG LAPER SAD A CUS WORD BLOCK HM! {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

OMG SOME1 VANDALISES MY PAGE OMG!!!!! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}}

DOT COM SHOUD BLCK HIM {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 03:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

hai im onlin now r u??????? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 12:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

yah i am now! u changeed your image lol. it looks COOOOOOOOL

sorry, but we didn't <big>'''VOTE 4 SANJAYA'''</big> hard enough...

== A The Homsar ==

Regarding {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Has_Matt%3F&curid=15096&diff=439658&oldid=439565&rcid=391691 this}} edit, is the new page [[User:Has Matt?/Homsar quotes|linked]] from anywhere in your user space? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I'm slow. I {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Has_Matt%3F&diff=439664&oldid=438993 found}} it. Hadn't thought to look there. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== 100,000 ==

In regard to my score of 100,000 points, I most definitly did... score of..points...100,000...get. Yup, just a few minutes ago really, I just kept on hitting "j" and "l" until I sufficiently wasted a good 20 minutes of my life away! --[[User:Homsar Lover|Homsar Lover]]
:Whoa, only 20 minutes? I would've thought it would take at least 45. By the way, I'm glad to see that you too understand the awesomeness of Homsar. May his supreme randomness never cease! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Randomness?'''''RANDOMNESS?????????????!!!!!!!!!!??????'''''How DARE you call Homsar random!!!! How dare you call ''HIM'' random!!! He is like unto a '''GOD''',a '''''GOD''''', and before long you will all be raised by a cup of coffee!!! (gregorian chant) AaAaAaAaAaAa I was raised by a cup of coffeeeeeeee, I'm the pide of the peacheeeeeees, hey Reggie is that rinocorous arouuuuund, and also with youuuuuuu. But seriously, my fingers almost fell off doin it. --[[User:Homsar Lover|Homsar Lover]]

== Revert Vandalisom ==

How do I revert vandalisom ? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:I don't have a lot of time to explain it to you right now, so just go to [[Help:Vandalism]]. That should give you all the info you need. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:16, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Well, thanks anyways. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Ban ==

Who can ban that guy? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:[[Special:Listusers/sysop|Sysops]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::Okay ive already told Its Dot Com to ban him
:::I think Dot com and the rest of the sysops aren't online right now. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll look at the WHOIS IP database to fine some info...{{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}}
:It belongs to an organization called FDC servers in Chicago, Illinois.{{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 13:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry Has Matt. I thought that thing you put on tyhat vandals page meant disscuss it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 13:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:It's OK. Now you know not to do it in the future. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== Help me! ==

How do I tell the difference between Matt and Mike in DVD Commentaries? Do you know? {{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}
:Sorry, it seems as if we keep posting our messages at the same time! I have now answered that question on your talk page. Please tell me if you need any more help. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Good Edit! ==

http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Date_Nite&diff=452857&oldid=452834&rcid=406878 You're absolutely right, it should go somewhere, like at the end, like how people won't notice it the first time but might the second. Very good. Kudos to you! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks! I didn't even notice that Strong Bad was there until you removed it from the transcript and I watched the toon again really closely. I thought it was pretty notable, so I figured it needed to be mentioned somewhere on the page. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::Exactly, which is why it shouldn't be in the transcript. It is however, VERY notable, which is why i think the choice you made was a good one. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

==Thank you!==
Thanks! That was my 1st (and so far only) "welcome" message I've seen on any wiki! I appreciate it! [[User:SonicGuy2|SonicGuy2]]
:No probalo. I'm on the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|welcoming committee]], so whenever I see a new user, I... welcome them! I hope you have a good experience contributing to our knowledge base. Don't hesitate to ask me or anyone else here if you have a question about something. Keep on tranglin'! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

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== Featured mark? ==

Shouldn't we have something on a page that tells you it is/was a featured article (like the star on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], or the alternate "Featured" logo on [http://www.uncyclopedia.org Uncyclopedia])? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

:On the talk page of every featured article there is the {{tl|featuredarticle}} template. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, because I didn't see one on [[Strong Mad]]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:::It's on [[Talk:Strong Mad]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::::I think that The Mu's idea is good. It would give a quick indication of a featured article. I think something like Wikipedia's bronze star (see [[Wikipedia:Automatic number plate recognition]] for an example) would be good. It's non-instrusive and informative. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Take a look at {{tl|featuredicon}}... the results of me experimenting with the Wikipedia template... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with marking our articles as featured, especially in the main namespace, not because the star isn't clever—it's plenty clever—but because we are so cavalier about which articles we choose. I am not saying that we should choose articles differently. We have a style of choosing that works for us. What I ''am'' saying is that it doesn't lend itself to permanent recognition. For example, today's featured article is the [[TV Time Toons Menu]], which is interesting, but hardly an example of "one of the best articles produced by the Homestar Runner community." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:I concur. Our method of choosing articles has little to do with whether or not they're among our finest articles. Rather, we have certain sequences to follow (such as featuring all the main characters) and we like to stick in other things that are major sections of or toons on the H*R.com itself. I don't think we should use that star. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 13:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:True... I thought the same thing when {{tl|featuredarticle}} was being put on talk pages... we're not Wikipedia, which can have a new FA every day and still only pick the cream of the crop... we're limited by the number of articles we have. Looking back, the majority of the FA's are about an interesting aspect of H*R, rather than a necessarily good page on HRWiki (though the former can help with the latter, if only because it directs more eyes to the page). This is kinda why I didn't start putting {{tl|featuredicon}} on pages... {{User:Phlip/sig}}

::I have the same problem with {{tl|featuredarticle}} on talk pages, but there's just not ever been a good time to bring it up. At the very least, that template needs to be reworded. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Agree and agree. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::The verbiage of {{tl|featuredarticle}} was mentioned during the [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection/General Discussion#Featured Template]] and [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 2#Daily Features]] discussions, but never addressed. I think it could be reworded. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::And [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:featuredarticle&curid=11400&diff=346353&oldid=217646 the recent change] looks great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::(Referring to the link Tom just posted) I changed the image and reworded the template. In both cases I tried to capture the essence of our selection process. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I also find that the new template better exemplifies our process of choosing featured articles. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::::When I first made it, I just copied from Wikipedia. But now it realy have that HRWiki feel to it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I still like the star better. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Without star, nothin'. The one big reason to place a badge in the upper-right corner of each featured article, regardless of what anyone might say, is that otherwise, it looks like nobody on the wiki knows how. You don't want that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
:I disagree. The fact that someone might think we lack wiki savvy is no reason to wield it in ways we do not need. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
::With the star, people can see that this is a featured article without goin' to the talk page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, but it's not all that important to know if something's a featured article... as discussed above, if an article is featured it says more about the ''topic'' than it does about the article itself. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::::But we gotta look ''legit'', man! Even if the featured articles aren't anything to write home about, that doesn't mean a badge isn't in order. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

The reason Wikipedia has stars is because there are tons and tons of pages about all sorts of things, and tons of vandals, and the pages can't be monitored and worked on by the entire community, so when one article is very good it deserves a marking. This isn't how we do it here, and because it's a smaller space based on one thing, every page is about on the same level of quality. I'm fine with the tag on the talk page. {{User:Salty/sig}} 23:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:That reasoning is still confusing, just like the reasoning for calling the Fhqwhgads Robot "Visor Robot" back then. No offense, but why not just do it? Are you doing this for yourself or the user, anyway? Most regular users wouldn't waste their time on talk pages, because if you're not a member of the community, it's irrelevant (I know I don't look at talk pages to wikis I don't contribute to). Besides, we could make a star like the one on Homestar's shirt. That would be cute and clever. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

::But it's also irrelevant to a casual reader which pages are featured and which aren't. To a casual reader, knowing which pages have been featured gives ''no'' information about the topic, or the quality of the page – ''all'' it says is that we think the topic is interesting. This is unlike Wikipedia where a featured star means that ''the article is high quality'', which is useful information for researchers using Wikipedia as a source... but it carries no such weight here. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Whatever. I still think we need one. Not having one just makes the wiki look like a n00b community. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
::::Putting stars just for stars' sake is making us look like a n00b community. And the wiki would eventually look like Strong Bad's webpage.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

::My opinion is that doing what need not be done is a hopeless waste of time. Also, why would the reader care that we think this or that is important? Don't talk down to them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

==IRC scheduled chats==

I propose that we put the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&oldid=179699 scheduled chat notice] back in the sitenotice, as it was up until November, at which point it was apparently taken down due to spamming issues. However, with very few outright spamming attacks, the most recent being of a recently blocked user, who was subsequently banned without issue, the channel has no reason not to be advertised. In fact, it has reason for ''to'' be advertised, what with the unsatisfyingly low average user count. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets nostalgic about those friendly Mondays and Fridays. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:I'm up for putting the notice up every now and then. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Sysop Nominations ==

Is there an open sysop nomination page? Just wondering. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, we only add sysops when we think that we need them. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::Also see [[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|here]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Question From a Sysop Wannabe ==

:Dear Sysops,
::How would you get to be a sysop? I was also wondering if anyone could help me learn html (Okay, I'll learn HTML on my own....). Any help?? Please??

::::Sysop Wannabe,
:::{{User: Unme93/sig}}
::[[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|Read this.]] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Audio Articles ==
While reading [[Swears]] out loud with a very bad English accent for my own weird amusment, I had an idea: How about we have audio versions (.ogg) of featured articles? Wikipedia have those and I think we should also. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:Although this would certainly be entertaining, I question the practicality of having audio versions of our articles. What is Wikipedia's reason for having them? Accessibility? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Not really accessibility, but that's still a minor reason. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia#Benefits]] for the full list. I don't think it would work too well for us though, as we have significantly less content that it could be done with and those articles change quite a bit. But hey, if you want to record it for kicks and see how many laughs you get, it might be funny. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:::You know what? I'll do it. I'll read [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] and upload the ogg to the wiki, use it, delete it, it's up to you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, crap. The microphone part of my audio card is busted, so I can't record anything for a while. Anyone else wants to do it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Eh, I'll do it. A bonus for those who don't join our [[Wikipedia:Skype|Skype]] calls. I'm afraid I don't have the means to convert it to vorbis, though. Perhaps someone can change it later. I'll start tomorrow. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::::::If you want, you can send me the file in any format you'd like and I'll turn it to .ogg {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Try [http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Audacity]. It's free and has the capability to export as Ogg Vorbis. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::::That's what I was going to use. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Oop. I was talking to Lapper. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:I vote [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] to do the talking. :) (Seriously, if you haven't heard his voice, make it your goal to do so. It's awesome.) {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I completely and utterly agree! Someone who is not a ruler of a variation of thieves

:::Why, thank you kind annony who is in no way not me or my computer obsessed sister. I wouldn't mind doing it. My voice does kick butt! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Rogue, you're completely insane ''and'' obsessed with your own voice. Which, by the way, can't actually be "handome". I'm sure your sister had a fun time typing into the computer-box, as well. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, you guys. The first spoken article is online [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=360343]. It's not quite a featured article, but an... erm.. important part of the wiki nonetheless. Also, notice the new [[Template:Spoken_article_entry|template]] that goes on the description of the media file. We should set up a page, describing how to create and label spoken articles. And we might want to put something in place for claiming an article. Phlip nearly recorded [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]], not knowing that Lapper had already done that.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Now, I'm going to have to interject on that one. [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] is actually first, in that (a) it's an article, and (b) the only reason it hasn't been uploaded yet is a restriction on server upload size. It should be done by this afternoon. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::For the actual cartoons, we could capture the audio and then record the actions in between pauses. And Loafing, your voice sounds funny. :-P ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It seems E.L. Cool came up with two ideas at the same time; one of them flourishing, and one of them being quickly forgotten. I guess this project may have to wait for its turn. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Hi, the new subtitles project doesn't mean this one have to stop. If my sound card wasn't busted then we would already have the first spoken article. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

How would one get an ogg player? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Try [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Media_help|this page]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I should probably get around to uploading this. It's been sitting around in my Documents folder for like two months now. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Project page: '''[[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]]'''.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Don't get us mixed up ==

Just so no one gets confused, I thought I'd explicitly mention that I'm setting up an account for my wife, Janene. She has volunteered to help handle some of the proprietor responsibilities around here like updating the ledger and activating forum accounts when we receive COPPA forms. I don't anticipate her doing much more than that, but in order for her to do these things I have granted her the sysop and proprietor roles here on the wiki and will grant her administrative privileges on the forum when I set her up over there. Her username is [[User:JaneneDay|JaneneDay]], and I'm sure she would appreciate a warm welcome, which I have no doubt will happen mere seconds after I post this. In fact, someone may notice her new account and welcome her ''before'' I've even posted this. You guys are always on the ball. Oh, and sorry I haven't been around much. I have more time on my hands now and would like to get more involved again, but I'd also like to get the Homestar Runner Network off the ground, so I may end up using my time over there. At any rate, I'm starting to miss all you crazy people. Cheers! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:It'll be great to have such a well-known new user on HRWiki, and I'm proud to have made such a welcome. I'm sure Janene (or JaneneDay) will be warmly regarded. We miss you, too, Joey. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::Now we can truly say that the HRWiki is a family-run business. :-D ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Hi Joey. Hi Janene. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've now removed Janene from the sysop group. The permissions for the proprietor role have been modified so that she has exactly the access she needs to do the paperwork she'll be doing without any additional privileges she doesn't need. You should still welcome her, though, of course. ;) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Subtitles ==

Some of us have started working on subtitling Homestar Runner Flash cartoons to make them accessible to a wider audience. I would like to know what the HRWiki folks think about this. Should this be a part of the knowledge base wiki? Should it be separate? Would you help? The subtitles are based on the transcripts from the wiki, so there is a strong connection already. The [http://hstarsubs.awardspace.com/ subtitles project] is still beta, but it should work with Firefox and Internet Explorer. Most subtitles have been donated by Phlip from an older project, and I and Elcool have done the international ones. Check it out and let us know.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: I personally know one person who'd be interested in that... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::I strongly support having some way to intergrate the subtitles files into the wiki. As a non-native speaker sometimes I need to go over the wiki transcript just to see what a word or two means. This way , it's already inside the toon window itself. Also, we could open the door for people with hearing problems who still want experiance Homestar Runner like the rest of us. Some flash artists like Weeble from Weeble and Bob and the people behind Too Much Spare Time Animation have already added subtitles to some of their toons. So If TBC aren't going to do it themselvs, we are here for them. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: The .xml file for Exp Film's Commentary doesn't work. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::Cheers, fixed the link. Also, listening to the commentary is currently not possible anyway, because of Flash security measures :-/ And I forgot to upload the experiment film subs, will have to wait until I'm back home.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::We need this in the [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]], pronto. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I showed it to the person I previously alluded. The biggest reason I got into H*R in the first place was because it allowed me to share the gift of Homestar with this person, who cannot hear. She says she likes the subtitled stuff better than the Wiki. "But no offense." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::Seriously, you just made my day :-D {{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Deaf watchers, eh? I'd assume ''captions'', as opposed to ''subtitles'' would be more important then, yes? (For the uninitiated: subtitles transcribe the words, captions transcribe all the sound effects too.) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Take 'em as they come. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, let's just say, hypothetically, I wanted to make one of these. How would I get the frame numbers to start/stop each line on? And how would I test it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::We haven't quite worked out the standards for subtitles/captions yet, so the format may change a little. But if you want to try it now, then here's how you do it: You need Phlip's Firefox [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]]. This will give you a seek bar for Flash toons from Homestarrunner.com. It also displays the current frame number. Then you grab one of the XML files from the subtitle site, scoop it empty, and use it as a skeleton. You probably also want to copy the text of the transcript into this file and split it up into short sections or sentences that you want to display as one title. Then use the seekbar to find the first and last frame numbers for each of the sections. It gets easy after you've done it once or twice. And you get to know the toon pretty well. Also note that each character has his or her own colour code. I'll put a page online soon with some more detailed hints, and I'll come up with a way of testing the titles. — I'm still not sure where to put the page with instructions. Do people believe this should be an HRWiki project, or should it be separate? {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Aside from the frame numbers, I'd pretty much figured that all out. I have the beginnings of a [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] .xml file, but without frame numbers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Sound promising :-) I'll come up with a test page soon(ish). And you've heard that before, but... you should really be on IRC ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never successfully managed to join IRC when a useful conversation is taking place. Plus, I have issues getting to it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright you guys, I finished the .XML file for Cool Tapes. [[User:The Mu/subtitleCoolThings|Ding!]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a talk page specifically for this project? I thought of some things to discuss, but we'd flood Da Basement. I think there should be some sort of central Wiki page for this project, even if it's in a User space. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
: I'm not in the mood for IRC right now, but I figured I'd give an update. I have all of the text in my .xml file. I do not, however, have any frame numbers past the three Coach Z/Pom Pom scenarios. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::Qermaq: Asked and ye shall [[HRWiki:Subtitles|recieve]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Expanding the gamut of styles==
'''Discussion moved to [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]].'''

== Preserve birthday card as part of the history ==

I think Invisible Robot Fish did an outstanding job on Matt's [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish#The_Finished_Product|birthday card]]. Above and beyond the call of duty here. The finished product is a sight to behold. As such, I think it and the work that went into it should have a page and a link in the history, like, say, [[HRWiki:Matt's 2006 birthday card]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Seconded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Third'd!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Four! uhh... d'd.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Absolutely! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Somehow I think we might do something like this again. Do we want to create a new page for each birthday card type thing, or should we put them all on one page?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

:I say, let's cross that bridge when we come to it; it might be nice to take it in a little bit of a different direction next year (not necessarily [[:Image:sbemail28.PNG|gluing Matt's hands to his butt]], but maybe something other than another card). Assuming this does become a yearly thing, then we probably will want to find a way to organize whatever greetings we choose to do... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Gluing his hands to his butt sure got my vote! Oh wait, he can't make toons then. Scrap that!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh Wow, I had overlooked this section of Da Basement. I'm glad that you guys appreciated my work. I feel so...imortalized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Should we save the external images of people's sigs just incase they are deleted on that person's personal external page? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sure. We can always save a sig as handsome as mine for later. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion Policy ==

As discussed on [[Talk:Homestar's Fashion Sense]], I feel the need for a deletion policy. We don't have one, and articles such as [[Marshie's Mother]] and [[jumbo/LARGE]] seem to pop up at every new email or toon (don't call me a hypocrite because I created that last one). They are short, one-toon-specific, and quite useless. The talk pages of these articles are usually filled with debate over whether to keep them or not, but it's not very organized and it's hard to tell when to pull the plug on an article. What I'm suggesting is a STUFF-like template that can be pulled out in situations like these so that these mini-articles may be dealt with faster. Thoughts? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:First, I feel that formally voting on things should be reserved as a last resort. Perhaps more important than a formal process would be some guidelines as to what definitely merits a page and what definitely does not. Forming such a policy would serve the dual purpose of giving sysops an easier decision in whether a page should be deleted, as well as inform new page creators of what will not be accepted. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Policy, guidelines, you know what I mean. But seriously, guidelines is a better idea. That way, it will serve the purpose I'm hoping to get across and be accessable ''before'' somebody creates one of those articles! Cool. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::We ''do'' have a deletion policy, which is clearly laid out at [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]], stating in part "Pages clearly unrelated to Homestar Runner [should be deleted]", and otherwise should be voted upon for deletion if clearly not up to snuff. One-time articles are clearly a part of this wiki, whether we like it or not. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, non-H*R makes for pretty clear deletion material. What's sometimes dicier is whether something should get its ''own'' page or be part of a larger one. And yes, I think laying out a little more formally where we stand would be good—but it would also be difficult. Some time ago, like a year or summat, there was a big "merge vs. delete" craze. Personally, I really, really have mixed feelings. On the one hand, [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|wiki is not paper]], so there's no functional reason not to have a page for every little doo-dad. On the other hand, I always lament the idea of there being pages that no one would ever find without searching specifically for them. Plus it gets more unwieldy: more pages to patrol and more likelihood that substandard wikiwriting could slip past unnoticed; also, if the doo-dad shows up again later, it can be hard to remember that its page existed and update it. Like I say... mixed feelings. Maybe a starting point would be to say that a page should ''not'' exist if it ''doesn't'' offer a unique opportunity to expound on its topic in ways that aren't possible in other pages. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::''edit conned'' That deletion policy gives us nothing when we try to figure out if [[Marshie's Mother]], [[jumbo/LARGE]], [[Coach Z Ale]], [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]], [[Marzipan's Purse]], and [[The Poopsmith's Shovel]] are worthy articles. The final decisions from the process are mostly good (the majority can't go wrong, right??), but it's highly irregular and not all articles are treated fairly. The fact that everyone has said that we need a deletion policy for so long, yet nobody has done it, shows how difficult it is to figure some guidelines out. The "keep" threshold is always different for an article about a character, a pseudocharacter, a product, a magazine, a foodstuff, an inside joke, an electronic item, a clothing item, a fictional band, a TV show, a movie, a book, or a computer program, and everybody has a different idea on where the threshold should be. There are also those ambiguous factors of how many appearances there are and how important the item was in the toon. Obviously the current deletion policy is not cut out for helping us decide these things. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Therefore, we should stop fidgeting around and figure something out. Let's lay out some good guidelines for all to use, because the current deletion policy isn't cutting it. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::I believe the current unwritten rule regarding such things as running gags is a three use rule. Once isn't noteworthy, twice is a Fun Fact, and thrice usually warrants a page. This doesn't really clarify such instances as the various items however, nor does it work for characters, which usually get a page if they are seen, and especially if they are part of a group of established characters (Such as the recent creation of the [[Old-Timey Alien]] page, and to a more questionable extent, [[Don Knotts]]). However I do not belive these rules are written in stone anywhere, and I think it would be difficult to do so, since the fact is the lines between keep and delete are usually grey ones, it's rarely a case of black and white. In my opinion I think the status quo is working relatively well, though I'm rarely the first to suggest radical change. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I don't think we are be aiming for a radical change. We just want to figure down some guidelines about what a certain type of article should be judged upon. For instance, TBird's first sentence about running gags is something that people already agree on, so we may as well write that down in the Deletion Policy while we're thinking about it. (*Waits for someone to jump at the opportunity*) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even that rule, however, is not without it's loopholes. Instances such as "Homestar Running up a hill", though perhaps having happened three or more times, doesn't really warrant a page of its own, which is where the majority vote usually comes in. What's to say that doesn't warrant a page, whereas "Bubs Running", "Homsar's Walking Noise", or Marzipan Playing a Flute" might? Granted, that falls more in the question of "what is a running gag", rather than "when does a running gag get its own page", but it all falls under the larger banner of "when does a page get deleted or not?", which as I stated before isn't really an easy policy to nail down in writing. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::What is a running gag (and to a lesser extant an inside joke) is being discussed in [[HRWiki:RG]], although it's dormant at the moment. Here are some of ''my'' personal guidelines on whether to delete a page or not:
:::::::::#On supposed running gags page - Need at least three appearances on canon Homestar Runner toons and is spacial in some way to the Homestar Runner world in contrast to the real world.
:::::::::#On general items, actions or animals that does not relate to one another such as [[Pizza]] or [[Explosions]] - Need at least five to ten appearance (depending how general or common it is in the real world) on canon Homestar Runner toons.
:::::::::#On item pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as long as it played some sort of role in the plot and not just a background item. Any item that is part of a character's outfit (Coach Z's Z, The Poopsmith's Shovel) does not merit a page and could be integrated into that character's biography page.
:::::::::#On character pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as not as it is not a minor variation on one of the already established characters, a character in a costume or a different personality of that character. Movie and theatric character play characters are en exception.
:::::::::#Other pages - Any repeating, dominant or part of the canon Homestar Runner toons that could not be fitted into the toon's page as a fun fact ([[The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]]), part of the transcript ([[Experimental Film Visuals]]) or Easter egg ([[Strumstar Hammer]]) are allowed.
:::::::::When discussing on articles nominated for deletion, I look for those guidelines for help. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::And those are very good personal rules that could be integrated into the guidelines we're thinking about. To people that are saying this is a "gray area", I believe that's exactly what we're trying to fill in with our page. I suggest that all of us share our personal tactics for situations like these, such as E.L. Cool did, and we can pick, choose, and mesh them all together for the final product. Sound good? Here are mine:
::::::::::#Email-specific articles: Very minor characters, items, sayings, or places do not merit a page. If it was a major part of the email or toon, yes or maybe.
::::::::::#Articles with a character's name in the title: Usually merge with character page unless it is/becomes a running gag.
::::::::::#Spam, Spam, and more Spam: Obviously delete.
::::::::::#All Articles: If no more than five lines of text can be used to describe the subject, delete or merge. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::I just discovered this thread as I was about to begin an identical one. As someone who's created a couple very minor, deleteable articles in the last couple days, I sense a strong need to establish some guidelines. And I think it's okay to be specific about the number of appearances necessary for a kind of item to get its own article — we can still be flexible and decide on an article's merit by voting, but establishing guidelines will prevent many of the wrong articles from being created in the first place. I personally like E.L. Cool's suggestions very much (Brightstar, yours are good too, but his are a bit more specific). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing this again! I was beginning to think this was a lost cause, but maybe it could really happen! I know E. L. Cool's guidelines were better than mine; I just wanted to put my own personal ones up. Pages like [[Smoke Detector|this one]], [[Marshie's Mother|this one]], and [[Stooly|this one]] just bother me beyond reason. Also [[Wilbur|this one here]], but nobody agreed with me about that. Anyway, way too many small, useless articles are being created every day and we need some set guidelines to deal with them. Now, I'm not saying every one of these should be promptly deleted/merged/whatever else, I'm just saying that we need something to refer to so heated arguments don't erupt (at least as often) in regards to what should be done with said small, insignifigant article. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::While I like EL's list, [[Wilbur|this one here]] is a good example of why even with a list we need to realize there's a need to discuss most any article that may be put up for deletion no matter the rules. I wouldn't mind having more "rules" as to what is suggested to be set to pending deletion or what's expected of a new article. On the other hand there are a number of pages that are out there that I could see these suggestions bringing up for deletion, and while some of them maybe should go away. But there is still debate to be had as to is something a gag, an important item, if it should be merged with something else. etc. etc. Also, we need to continue to realize that "once deleted, always deleted" is not a rule. There may be a better way to make an article, or a reason for it's existence that has not been thought of before, or additional appearances, or any number of possible reasons. I just want to make sure we know exactly what we want a policy to do, and that we word it as such with thought given to possible ramifications. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 22:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
::Tell you what; I'll make a possible guidelines article in Microsoft Word and make it one of my subpages. When I'm done, I'll link to it from here and we can critique it, adding, subtracting, rivising, etc. as we go to create a fine policy. Sound good? I'll go and do that now, so don't expect to hear from me for about an hour. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, here it is: [[User:Brightstar Shiner/Deletion Guidelines]]. I took the guidelines from the ideas posted in this disscussion, mainly E.L. Cool's. Note that this is but the first version; feel free to point out any problems or suggestions you might want to tell me. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== A Vandal? ==

72.130.213.123 seems to be doing mostly bad edits. Should they be banned?
Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn, although I guess you can't speak out of turn on a message board, right? I mean when's your turn, it's not 'til you reply. - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 01:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
:Looking at their [[Special:Contributions/72.130.213.123|contributions]], they've made one edit, which wasn't all that bad. I hardly think a block is needed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Look to [[Special:Contributions/70.64.178.238|70.64.178.238]] for an example of blockable behavior. A simple bad edit is not necessarily vandalism. Also, blocking anonymous IPs is not a routine activity as many IPs are temporary - an appreciable block on an IP can potentially affect many innocent users. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

== Semi-protection implemented ==
Back in March is was [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 5#Semi-protecting|discussed]] that semi-protection would be a good idea to deter most main page template vandalism. This semi-protection has now been implemented for both Whatsnew and the current featured article. This will prevent anonymous users and recently created user accounts from editing. A section further explaining this will be added to [[HRWiki:Protected page]], which is linked to when a user attempts to edit a protected page. We would appreciate your thoughts on whether we should disclose on that page the exact amount of time it takes before a new user is able to edit. Thanks, [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, the exact amount of time is 28 hours. The number was chosen intentionally to be just a little more than exactly one day. In addition, all page moves are disabled during this period, regardless of the protected status of a page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::The two sides to the argument are pretty much equal, from what I can see.
::*'''Point:''' New users may be frustrated to find they can't move or edit certain pages, and then not know why they can't do so. It's only natural to place such information in a readily visible area.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Few new users are knowledgeable enough to know how or to have a reason to move pages or edit semi-protected pages in their first 28 hours; therefore, it wouldn't have an impact on them.
::*'''Point:''' As this time-limitation would generally only thwart the casual vandal, said vandal would probably have no reason to check [[HRWiki:Protected page]] for information; the disclosure is safe there.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Even a casual vandal would come across the link to [[HRWiki:Protected page]] quickly, scan the page for information, and have no problem waiting 28 hours until he or she can vandalize to his or her heart's content.
::In any case, I'm leaning towards '''opposed'''. I don't think we need this clause at [[HRWiki:Protected page]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I would rather have a brief explanation on that page. We don't have so many vandals that we need to worry about it too much, and I don't want to give real new users the impression that editing here is harder than it actually is. I don't think we need to mention the exact duration, though.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Regarding Lapper's point that vandals would check the [[HRWiki:Protected page]] to see how long they'd have to wait, I propose we just use language like "semi-protection prevents all unregistered or recently registered users from editing a page" and not include the exact time limit. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Let's also bear in mind that this will not stop vandalism, it will simply make it more of a bother to vandalize certain key pages. A casual vandal will simply do what he can, perhaps to another page, and a dedicated vandal will figure it out and do it no matter what we do to try to stop him. But this would provide a certain level of insurance against high-visibility or mission-critical areas from being compromised. That's probably a good thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with the above comments: the semi-protection is a good idea, but no need to disclose the exact length of time. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I agree: Semi-protection should be mentioned, as we are an honorable wiki that does not lie to its users. Furthermore, semi-protection should be included on high visibility HRWiki pages such as The Stick. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I just had a thought... why are we still full-protecting the images on the main page? Is there a reason we're not semi-protecting them too? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I would say so that they don't get defaced whilst they are on the main page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, no reason that I can think of. Just waiting for someone to bring it up (how passive of me...) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I still support ''full'' protection of images on the main page. They were fully protected when the main page templates weren't protected at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ditto. It makes sense, too, coz semi-protection locks out just IPs (right?). But IPs can't upload images anyway (right?), so it doesn't do a whole lot for images. Also, no offense to anyone out there (coz I'm not thinking of anyone specific), but a lot of users can't make very good images. JPGs, poor cropping, etc. Aside from vandalism, no one wants that on the main page either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Highly visible images need to retain their integrity at all times. In answer to Dorian's uncertainty, semi-protection locks out both IPs and users who are not yet auto-confirmed. IPs can't upload images, but I believe that users who aren't auto-confirmed still can; the lockout definitely includes moving and editing of semi-protected pages, but I'm not sure if they can upload. If they can, perhaps we should consider locking that off as well? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Hmmm that's a good question: clicking on "{{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Tirecake.png upload file}}" does not preclude me from seeing the form. I'd like to try uploading a picture over a protected page, but I'd rather work with a test picture -- unless Dot Com or Tom or one of the other guys know definitively if protection prevents the picture from being replaced? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Limited editability for user pages ==

The only people who should ever need to edit a user page is that user themselves, and sysops (in case there's inappropriate material). Maybe there's a rare case where someone asks another user to help with their page, but it shouldn't be hard to set up a system where editing user pages is restricted to sysops, the selfsame user, and a list of usernames that that user trusts to edit their page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 14:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, if there's inappropriate content, normal users can also remove or censor that, too. Not just sysops. Because, it's harder for inappropriate user content to be removed by only sysops when they just make up [[Special:Statistics|.3% of the population]]. Now, the other thing I'm worried about is this trusted user thing. If a user's on a trusted user list, and decides to start trolling, or vandalize friendly (as in, the two users edit each other's user pages non-stop), then only a few people can revert that. Now, that won't be MUCH of a problem, as sysops are constantly logged in and will be able to revert/block such trolls. Plus, we have the semi-protection system, which pretty much allows all trusted users to edit semi-protected pages. In conclusion, my point is, why try to perfect a pretty much perfected system? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::Because twice now I've seen "I suck" added to a user page without the user's knowledge, once being my own and I think people's identities and descriptions would be a lot safer by my method. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Wait, identities and descriptions? Do you mean, what users put on their own user pages? That, and you've only seen it TWICE. Trust me, I've had it happen to me tons of times, and to be honest, it's not something to worry about. I bring up a vandal who, how do I put this, uploaded an inappropriate drawing done in MS Paint. Now, this user could set up an account, upload the file when the sysops aren't around, and then put it on his/her user page and trusted users have to sit there and wait. And that's why semi-protection works. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Then how about a user rating system (say 1 to 10) where users can edit their own rating and lower, but not higher, i.e. sysops are a 10, anonamous IPs are a 0, and everyone else is somewhere in the middle, and the rating is an algorithm based on the number and frequency of useful (ie. not reverted, not talk page, not repeat edits to the same article) edits they have made. Such a system could also be useful for other things as well, such as:
::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop
::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits)
::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating
::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page
::::just to name a few. We invented STUFF, why can't we invent this too? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop: When they see someone who deserves it because of their amazing edits, not some ranking, they decide if they need to be a sysop.
:::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits): It seems to be a system where we only trust those with high numbers, and it's hard to climb up the status ladder.
:::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating: Well, we try to limit editing featured pages, and we restrict featured images, so it wouldn't hurt a lot if an annony makes a few small edits to something on the Main Page. Otherwise, we can revert them.
:::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page: The Main Page is pretty much edited through templates that I believe most people can edit.
:::::In conclusion, it seems to be a complete social status system based on seniority or artificial trust, rather than on good edits or good faith. It also seems harder to climb the ladder, as I've said, making it basically a site for regulars only. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 16:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strange "Testing" ==

I just wanted to mention that I've noticed a few edits ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AShellabella17&diff=434055&oldid=434054] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Apehodet&diff=prev&oldid=433754] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:personal-image&diff=434141&oldid=434053]) that reveal an unusual pattern (I'd call in vandalism) in editing. I know it's not big now, but I'm starting to wonder if this is a prelude to to a more automated... um... "attack". --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I noticed this too. At first, they didn't necessarily seem like bad-faith edits, but their consistency made me suspicious just as it did you. Fortunately, one of the sources of these edits [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Apehodet has been taken care of], along with an IP range, but time will tell if the problem persists. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Redirects to userspaces ==

Some users have odd unusual characters in their usernames. It's awkward to remember all the accented and umlauted letters for the average American, to whom this wiki is targeted. I suggest we adopt the policy of allowing a redirect to users whose names contain one or more unusual characters which is spelled how a normal Americasn with a normal keyboard and a normal command of the English language would type it. Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: I, personally, don't have a problem with this, and it is mildly frustrating when I want to reach Heimstern La-umlat-ufer's User/Talk/Contributions page... but at the same time, I don't exactly do that very frequently. Does anyone really believe we'll ever have a non-troll "Heimstern La-no-umlat-ufer" at any point? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/Heimstern_Laufer|Already have]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::He said "non-troll". Any user who joined with a name similar to Heimi's would be advised to change names anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Umm, Heimy, those are all troll edits. I agree that redirects of this type can be useful, voting '''yes'''... oh wait, this isn't a STUFF debate... [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would support a policy where we allow ''one'' redirect if a username has non-English characters in the name (or something that can't be typed easily into a URL, like a question mark). Similarly, if a user has a widely-known nickname, the user could use the redirect for that purpose (for example, I would expect to be allowed to redirect "User:Dot com" to my page). (Case-sensitive redirects will very soon be unnecessary, so that should not be a concern here.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Dot com, what if someone has an odd char in their name AND a widely known nick? then what? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm wondering if we really do need those redirects, or if this can easily be handled by the search function. Interestingly, Heimi [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=heimstern&searchx=Search can be found] without using an umlaut, while Dot com [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=dot+com&searchx=Search can't be found] without "It's". Maybe we should have a look at the search algorithm to take care of these things automatically. It would save us a lot of hassle instead of debating which redirects are allowed and who exactly is a widely know user.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::DeFender: Then that user would have to decide which is more important. I think one should be the limit, with restrictions similar to the ones on [[HRWiki:Signature]], lest someone go crazy and create 20 redirects. Incidentally, a lot of users have a redirect from a username change, and we have quietly allowed those to exist. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== To be reorganized ==

I've thought for a while that the to be deleted/merged/redirected/moved/etc. templates, categories, and discussions have been needlessly fractured. Essentially, all of those templates and categories seek to answer just one question: whether any particular content should exist as its own article (or at all) on the wiki. On top of that, a lot of the time a discussion that starts out toward deletion suddenly swings toward merge (or vice versa), and tagging borderline articles to raise awareness of their existence tends to cause their creators (who are often new users) to panic. I therefore think we need to combine all of these functions into one process, and at the same shift the emphasis from ''deletion'' to ''discussion''.

'''Let me outline my master plan:'''
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
A. Drop my grapes.
B. Redirect <code>{{t|tobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|talktobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|merge}}</code>, <code>{{t|mergetalk}}</code>, <code>{{t|redirect}}</code>, and <code>{{t|move}}</code> all to one new, over-arching template: <code>'''{{t|tobediscussed}}'''</code> (which will have the benefit of still being able to be abbreviated <code>{{t|tbd}}</code>).
C. Restructure the catgories:</div>

|
HRWiki Maintenance
| |___...
|
Page Maintenance
| |
______________| |______________
| |
| |
Pages for Discussion Pages for Speedy Deletion
| | |
| |________ |
Articles for Discussion | (pages tagged with <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>)
| |
| |
(articles/talk) (pages/talk in other namespaces)
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
D. Revert [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]] so that it's just instructions to sysops on when is the correct time to delete a page.
E. Move the content that was just removed from the deletion policy and create [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines]]. (The guidelines on the current deletion policy are primarily about what to ''keep'', rather than remove.)
F. Uncover that cheat!</div>
I believe these suggestions will help make us a happier, more efficient wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:Great system! I'll take it! I'll take twelve! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well... a tad confusing, but it seems good (from what I understand). I'm all for it. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 23:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I like it! When it's implemented, it'll be so much simpler than what we have now.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Sounds great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::WERE A DIAPER! I'm convinced — it's a good idea. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:Re (B), what of {{t|mergefrom}}? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::I think that one would just disappear entirely. {{tl|tobediscussed}} purposefully doesn't indicate whether an article has been proposed to be merged since article merit discussions often shift between merging and deleting. Since we don't specify ahead of time what the proposed action for an article is, we wouldn't put a template on the page that the article in question might be merged with. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see any reason for <nowiki>{{mergefrom}}</nowiki> to go anywhere. If there's a strong case for merging, it could still come in handy to draw attention to the discussion at the other end. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::That's a good point. I'd like to mention that the mergefrom template should also follow a similar style now to tobediscussed. BTW the templates look great! Now to delete... er discuss! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
So based on {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AStux%2Fsandbox&diff=444089&oldid=433357 this test}} I've compiled what I beleive should be the changes in categories that would be necessary. The following 4 categories are new:

[[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] | [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]].

The existing categories, along with my suggested moves/actions are as follows:
*[[:Category:Talk to be deleted|Talk to be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] (maybe)
*[[:Category:To be deleted|To be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be merged|To be merged]] -> [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be redirected|To be redirected]] (removed or moved to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]])
Hmmmm. That's about it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nah, those all (except ttbd) pretty much need to go to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion]]. I've taken care of 'em. This has all now been implemented, for the most part. There will naturally be an adjustment period as we get used to it, and we may find some things we need to tweak (some of the category descriptions could be looked at, for example), but the basic structure and functionality should be fully in place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

==Homsar Main Page==
(This discussion was originally on the sandbox and refers to [[User:DeFender1031/Homsar Main Page|this]])

I think we should make this an easter egg reached from the real main page somehow... anyone think it's a good/funny idea? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, that would be AWESOME. But, for that we need a sysop, a hidden link, and this to be a subpage. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::And by the way, other people are trying to get actual WORK done. (What? ME? Work? No) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't touch my severance package.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You could post it in the [[HRFWiki:|fanstuff]] wiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::What did Loafing mean? Nevermind. That was a "no". {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Errm, who touched your severence package? ArE wE jUsT tHrOwInG iT dOwN tHe ToIlEt At ThIs PoInT? --[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Super_Martyo_Brother http://www.hrwiki.org/images/9/9b/Mario2.GIF] [[User:Super Martyo Brother|sUpEr MaRtYo]] [[User talk:Super Martyo Brother|BoInG!]] 23:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. It would be kinda hard to post this on the Fanstuff Wiki.
:::::::It's a Homsar quote from [[Georgia_Tech#Part_II:_Q_.26_A]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could go on that baleeted nonsense page that one user made. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::yeah, but it'd be REALLY cool on the main page [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I know that and I'd like that too, but Loafing said not to touch his severance package. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yeah, he was joking:
<blockquote>
<Loaf|uni> personally, i like the idea. but also note my original edit summary 
<DeFender1031> you don't think DC will go for it? 
<Loaf|uni> i don't think so 
<DeFender1031> aww 
<Loaf|uni> and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either 
<DeFender1031> that guy's too serious all the time 
<Loaf|uni> it would have been a perfect main page for april fools, though 
<DeFender1031> true 
<DeFender1031> but 
<DeFender1031> listen, it's a very characteristic thing to do 
<DeFender1031> homsar is always "the secwet guy" 
<DeFender1031> why not have a homsar main page? 
</blockquote>
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Note how I said "and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, you like the idea but aren't sure if it's a good one... that makes perfect sense. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::If Dot com agreed to it,Loafing, would you? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't like where this is going. a) Dot Com is not the Oscar the Grouch of the wiki b) I do have my own opinion about things.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't mean for it to really sound like that. I have messed up what I have meant to say on this wiki several thymes. Plus I didn't expect you to notice that comment. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let me outline my master plan. I will A) Drop my grapes, b) Start a petition to put this on the Main Page as an Easter Egg, and c) If that doesn't work, post a link to a revision with this on it to Venusy, and ask him to please post this on his [[User:Venusy/April Fool's Jokes and Other Baleeted Nonsense|thingy-ma-bobber's]] page. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:We don't have "petitions" on the wiki. If someone comes up with an idea, we discuss it and see if we can form a consensus. It's much more productive this way.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::I agree — reformatting those votes into comments would probably be better. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Fine. I '''agree''' with this idea. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I firmly disagree with the idea. This encyclopedia does not need a "joke" main page for any reason at all; ideas like this might be more well received at HRFWiki or possibly even the Forum, as a recommendation. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's a clever idea (props to Super Martyo Brother and others who worked on this). To pull it off, though, I think it's got to be more than funny — it's got to be ''laugh-out-loud hilarious''. I'm just not sure if we're going to be able to refine it to that point (at least, I know ''I'm'' not funny enough to make it that good). So, I like the idea, but I currently disagree with pursuing it further. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Here's my two cents: we are a knowledge base first, not a playground. While we have some fun, it's all directed in a way that supports our main mission: to faithfully record TBC's creation. If you want to be creative yourselves, the Fanstuff Wiki is an excellent place for that. I don't see an appropriate purpose in having a goofy main page as an option in a knowledge-base wiki. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I am '''neutral'''. I think it would be cool to have this maybe as a subpage, but for now, no secret links on the main page. Also, yes, this wiki is a knowledge base and not a playground, and anyone who wants to create stuff like this should either go to the fanstuff wiki or do it in the sandbox, have it on a subpage, etc... You guys who are sugesting that we take this to the fanstuff wiki, It would be mecca-hard to do (at least while still keeping the links). --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. Trey, if I get a picture of Homsar carved into an actual watermelon, will it have achieved laugh-your-head-off status?
:::::::WHAT?! You were the first name on the petition, back before they removed it. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Links on the fanstuff are not that hard. Just append '''HRWiki:''' to each link and voilà! Problem is of course all links will be light blue. But that's something a little <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> magic can't fix! Heck, even a nice little template can be used to make it easy to make the links look just as they would here! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Since the petition got deleted i forgot to post that I '''agree'''
::::::::::Okay, it is now officially on the [[HRFWiki:Homsar Shunner Wiki Main Page|fanstuff wiki]]. Now quit buggin' me. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== Automatic links for new users ==

:''This discussion is continued from [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 6#Welcome Messages|here]].''
Welcoming of users [[HRWiki talk:User space#Welcomed users subpages|has been brought up again]], and I'd like to revisit the idea of automatic links to our standards, policies, and help pages on the user talk page of new users. This would ''not'' be intended to take the place of a personal welcome from a wiki member. The so-called welcome that most users get now is just a list of links anyway, and these links are posted immediately upon registration, so why don't we go ahead and completely automate the process. Then, after a brief amount of time has passed (so that it doesn't look automatic), or after a few edits by the user, an established user can extend a real, personal welcome. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think this is a great idea! I don't like the way welcoming happens right now. Sure, some of the welcoming templates are cute, but it's still pretty impersonal from the point of view of the new user. I think it would be nice if the welcoming templates/system had personalization based on the ''new user'' rather than based on the ''welcomer'', if that makes any sense -- instead of spending a lot of time creating a template that fits your personality, think of a friendly comment about the user's first edits or their username. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I '''support''' this idea — up till yesterday, I opposed it on the grounds that it would be less personal to have an automatic welcome. However, as Dot com and H*C have pointed out above, it is actually ''more'' personal because it encourages a "real" welcome based on a new user's edits or userpage info. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:Me likey, me likey! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I don't do a whole lot of welcoming... In fact, I only did it once, to make sure my friend got a good welcome (i.e. something less distracting, and more useful). But then, that's why I think my point's valid. I like this idea as well. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:It's a good idea, but how would it be implemented? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Implementation, in my opinion, should be fully automated and added, with scripting, to a user's talk once he or she is auto-confirmed and has not been blocked. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::A few things:
:::#I do want to reiterate something from Abdi's previous post in the original post that struck me as really important: ''But I feel strongly that as long as initial contact can be human, and can be '''perceptibly''' human, that's preferable.'' (Emphasis added.) We must still keep in mind that this must be perceived as more or just as human as the status quo. Otherwise we'll lose a little something of our hospitality.
:::#It's likely that welcoming committee participation will drop once this is implemented. That is, more people will rely on the auto-welcoming system, no matter what.
:::#Keep in mind that even with our current system, where templated messages are quickly removed/ignored, oftentimes the new users will still go to the people who welcomed them for questions/advice. It's this ''first contact'' that can prove to be a lasting one. If it's electronic that might lose a little something. Might as well just plop it in their page right away as a "talk default" or send them an email with that information. Then a real person can leave a human message.
:::I have personally kept away from joining the welcoming committee because I didn't want to subscribe myself to a "welcoming quota" or template. But the information provided does serve a purpose. Instead I prefer to drop an informal "hello" here and there to certain editors. But that's just my style. Yes the current system is broken, and the autowelcome is a good idea but whose consequences we must evaluate. I think instead of providing a technical solution, we should ''also'' provide a "procedural" solution by changing the way the welcoming comittee does its work. (Be it via training or whatever). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

To address your points:
# There will still be human contact. The welcoming templates as they stand barely qualify as human contact, because it simply involves heading to a new user's page and typing <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki> or whatever. A personalized greeting from a user that doesn't rely on a template qualifies as more constructive human content, IMO. Let the machine provide the links, let the human provide specific help/comments.
# I really don't think welcoming committee participation will drop. People are constantly itching for things to do on the wiki, and changing the requirements to providing a personal comment rather than a template would probably not decrease participation at all. If someone drops out because they're too lazy to write a comment instead of just dropping a template, then that's fine by me.
# I've actually been concerned in the past that our welcoming templates are a little too...overwhelming, maybe? I know if I were new to the wiki, did an edit, and immediately had a user provide me with Help and Standards links (even in a friendly manner), I would wonder what I did wrong. If they are provided by a machine (and the message is labelled as automatic), then the user still gets the useful links without feeling that they're being corrected, and the welcoming user can provide an actual positive or relevent comment, like "Grood jorb!" {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:Ms. Coder, I find your arguments very sound and convincing. :) With the consensus seeming to reach that this is a good idea, I then have <s>two</s> three more issues to raise:
:#What kind of content should this auto-template contain?
:#At what specific period should it be posted? (Immediately during account creation? After first edit? After first 3 Mainspace edits? After the first 5 Mainspace edit, 1 user edit, 3 user talk edits, and a root canal?)
:#What of the old welcoming committee? What welcoming instructions should be posted? "Scrap all your welcome templates. Make sure you only post original messages on welcomed users page. Here's a list of suggested topics of discussion:"
:This should probably stem 3 separate discussions in the Welcoming committee talk page (I think) if the plan is put forth in motion. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, it should be three separate discussions, but since I'm lazy, I'll reply to it all at once! ;)
::#The welcoming committee page has a sample template which could form the basis for an automated template. It should definately have some indication that it's automated, so the user doesn't wonder who gave them the message.
::#That is really tricky, but my initial reaction is in favor of "after first edit." They should be given the helpful links before they do too much editing. Doing it upon account creation might also be okay...
::#I don't think you need to scrap welcome templates. Maybe scrap part of the text inside them -- replace the stuff the automated template provides with a "{{{1}}}", and use the {{{1}}} to post a personalized message, for instance. I'm not sure about "only post original messages," that seems a little totalitarian maybe, but suggested topics of discussion would be a great idea. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::<ol start="2"><li>It would probably need to be to be immediately upon account creation. It depends on some system event to trigger it, and the one that would involve the least amount of hassle logistically would be the new-user function. Isn't that the purpose of the automatic links, anyway? To be there right away for the new user to read? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
::::<ol start="2"><li>Yeah! That makes the most sense, I'm all for that. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
:::::Agreed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yup. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Some thoughts. First, let's not think of this as "auto-welcoming" - it is NOT welcoming, as that's something a person does. This is the providing of essential links to a new user. I'm all for that. Second, I'm all in favor of welcomes being less scripted and more personal. Currently, a welcome is the mindless substing of a template on a page, and that's hardly a welcome at all. So I think I '''support''' this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Right, this isn't welcoming (I've tried to get away from the term autowelcome). To move forward, we need content for [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]) and [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Just a little Devil's advocate here...What's wrong with the old system. I for one enjoy welcoming new users in [[User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/welcome|my own way]]. What is the problem that needs fixing? Why go through the effort of making an automated process? Are there users that are not getting welcome. Are people unhappy with the welcome that they get? What does automation offer that current system does not? I don't think it is a good thing to do just because we have the capability to do it. I think an examination of our object is critical here. What do want out of this that we don't have right now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 02:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let's see, I hope I can respond adequately:
:::*By forcing the "auto-help-links" we take away the "thumb-twitching" response of some editors to "beat others" to welcoming and increase their "welcome count" which apparently results in just slapping an Air Force sticker ... er slapping a welcome template in a talk page. So people ''do'' get welcomed, but the impression is that this is still too impersonal.
:::*With the "auto-help-links" welcomers can only now type in a real welcome message, and we can make it absolutely clear that we want it to be a welcome message hopefully aimed more at characteristics of the new user (of which we admittedly known nothing about then) than the welcomer (though portraying the welcomer's personality would be a good thing).
:::*(We also have less of a chance of running into minor misunderstandings between welcomers and welcomed users that have occurred in the past.)
:::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::IRF, you'll still be able to welcome in exactly the same way you're welcoming now, except that the "helpful links" stuff will be taken care of by the automated system (so you can take it out of your template) and we'll be encouraging users to leave personal notes when they welcome rather than just <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki>, which it looks like you already do, so you're good to go. Basically, we want to 1. Make sure all users get the helpful links; 2. By automating the boring/generic part of the welcome, encouraging more personally helpful tips and comments in the welcome; 3. Reduce competition for how many people you have welcomed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think someone's been programming in C a little too long ;). You mean <code><nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki></code> right Homestar Coder? :) And yes, hopefully the welcoming competition would die down. Heck, we can even encourage people so that new users can be welcomed by more than one user! As it stands, generally one person leaves a welcome template, and that's it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I code in Java, so I'm not sure where that substr came from. Insanity perhaps ;) And yeah, now that welcoming won't require a huge template with lots of links, we could certainly have new users welcomed by more than one user. That would be another improvement. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this is ready to go live. What do you think? [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]); [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:I like it. At first, I was unsure about automatic welcomes, but now I'm convinced. Nice jorb on the text, Dot com.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, but remember, this isn't a welcome. The bot will provide links and guidance, but we still require people to actually make each new member feel welcome. That's not any less imposrtant - in fact, it's as important as ever. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes. That's actually why I'm convinced now. It'll just take me a while to not call it a an automatic welcome ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As a freshly welcomed user, I feel that I might (at least theoretically) provide some insight in this respect. My initial welcome was nice, but I unintentionally baleeted my welcomer’s welcome template and was mistaken as a possible vandal. After all was said and done, the users that defended me and generally chatted me up made me feel comfortable and at home. [[trey56]] and [[loafing]] were especially nice to me, and I found that the userpages of these and other megahuge users helped me see what the whole community was about. The links were moderately helpful at best. So until next week, you keep welcoming me, and I’ll keep deleting your templates. I mean, thanking you. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 03:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, this is enabled. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

=== New Welcome format ===
So now that we have the auto-information-link tool up and running, is being [[Special:Log/newusers|welcomed]] any more? I peeked at a few random users in that list that have created the accounts for more than a day, and even though most have no contributions, no one has tried to break the ice (even if these were sock-puppets-to-be) by leaving a little note. It's all automatic now. Most of those with blue links in their user pages have been welcomed (by sysops mostly) but some with red link pages and even those with {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Floppy_Disk_Container&diff=prev&oldid=456204 creative}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Kintu-li&diff=456323&oldid=456160 edits}} have been somewhat ignored. So what will the new procedure be? Ignore new registrations until they make edits? Should we leave notes even if the accounts may seem dormant? Also, the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee]] page has not been updated with the new information. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I was actually hoping someone would take the initiative of the last sentence; I believe the Welcoming Committee should be completely redone. The information should be rewritten, the member list should be cleared, and serious users should re-sign up to participate. I'd also appreciate it if we could keep only users who are doing, (or wholeheartedly attempting to do) what they signed up for on the list. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== About this wiki page ==

After posting {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKintu-li&diff=456323&oldid=456160 this note}} I realized that there really is no page explicitly describing the ''scope'' of this project. That is, although there is lots of [[Help:Contents|technical information]] available, I couldn't find anything that described what ''kind'' of information this wiki is gathering and outlining what the substance of those edits should be. As it stands it's more of a trial-and-revert thing. Which isn't bad, but it would be nice to have something "official" to point to people. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:You mean like a mission statement or something like that? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::An official mission statement would be useful to quote. I like the idea. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== An idea! ==

I think that we hould have some little feature then enables regular, non-sysop users to block people. That way, if Willy on Wheels, or the NSMC vandal comes back, we don't just have thirty-some people doing all the blocking, and we can stop the attack in progress faster. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I know I'm not a sysop!

:That feature would be so heavily abused that the risks would outweigh the benefits one-hundred-fold. On that note, we currently have a virtual twenty-four-seven watch on the wiki and haven't had a rampant, un-halted vandalism for months and months now. You should feel safe with the current state of the wiki; if not, perhaps provide a more realistic solution. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Just a suggestion. Also, we can't really predict vandalism. It's like they say "There's always a calm before a storm". What if, these months of non-vandilism are leading up to some big thing, say the return of NSMC? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I think what he's saying is that with the current system vandalism (even repeat vandalism) is still stopped relatively quickly. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok. Thanks for pointing that out. We really have a 24-hour watch on the HRWiki? That's amazing. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Who's NSMC? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}}

:::::Well, yeah, and i think we even have it better than some other wikis. The recent changes IRC channel really helps. I can (and usually do) review edits mere seconds after they're made. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Homestar-winner: See [[HRWiki:A History#NSMC]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Dot com laid out the time zones at one point... anyway, with all of our respective uptimes, there's probably a 90 in 100 chance that there's at least one sysop able to be contacted during any given minute. Loafing's in New Zealand, Elcool's in Israel, etc. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Yes, and given that Phlip, Elcool and I have no life, we've got the non-US part of the globe pretty much covered =3{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Any sysops in New England? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

Do we have any East Coast sysops at all? I'm on the East Side, but I'm not a sysop. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

HRWiki:Da Basement

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 21:22:01 GMT

Jangles5150: /* An idea! */

HRWiki:Da Basement

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 21:14:34 GMT

Jangles5150: /* An idea! */ reply

pop-up

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 21:03:54 GMT

Jangles5150: undid revision 456353 by 62.128.227.59 (Talk) we cant understand the cheat, i can though

{{sbenav|146|myths & legends|lady fan}}
[[Image:Sbemail146.png|thumb|right|It was the book of my dreeeeams!]]
Strong Bad shows us his own Strong Bad [[Wikipedia:Pop-up book|pop-up book]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Gavin}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, [[The Tire]], {{Film|Bubs}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, February 20, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:12

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Five}}

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping}'' I was born to check emails and eat lots of cake!

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: dream book</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
I had a dream that my friend had a Strong Bad 
pop-up book. It was the book of my dreams. 
Kat 
Spokane, Wash.
</blockquote>

''{After reading the main part of the email once, Strong Bad repeats it twice as a rap. He says "Wash." as the word "wash".}'' 

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises from offscreen}''

''{Cut back to show The Cheat next to his keyboard}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, all right. One more time.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{approving The Cheat noises}''

''{Strong Bad jumps on his stool and dances as The Cheat plays on his keyboard and dances.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping}'' I had a dream that my friend had a Strong Bad pop-up book! It was the book of my dreeeams! ''{on "dreams", he jumps up, almost hits the ceiling, and lands on his stool}'' There you go, little one. Now get back in there and win me a car!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{affirmative The Cheat noises; he salutes and rushes off.}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know, I feel like that sentence could really apply to anything. ''{moves the cursor up to "pop-up book" and replaces it with "salad".}'' Like, uh, "I had a dream that my friend had a Strong Bad salad. ''{scrolls over toward the other "book" and replaces it with "salad" as well.}'' It was the salad of my dreams." Or maybe like, ''{adds "taco" before each "salad"}'' "I had a dream that my friend had a Strong Bad taco salad. It was the taco salad of my dreams." ''{moves the cursor below the email, types}'' Anyways, a Strong Bad pop-up book. This sounds like a job for: makin' stuff up.

''{Cut to an image of a pop-up book. The inside cover reads "From the libarry  of D. Squirrel" with a dead squirrel drawn in. The first page reads "STRONG BAD'S POP-UP BOOK of your dreams by Strong Bad, for Strong Bad".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The Strong Bad pop-up book would obviously feature...

''{The page turns to show Strong Bad near two cherubs. The text reads "This is a good kid." A tab is seen under Strong Bad's head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...me hangin' out with some of those wing-a-ling babies! ''{The cherubs bob up and down}'' And I'd have a little tab on my flesh-tangle so you could make me talk! ''{As the pop-up Strong Bad, who waves his arms}'' You little almost-naked babies are so cute, I could just dip you in beer batter and fry you right up! ''{As the cherubs, who bob up and down}'' Okay, Mr. Strong Bad! ''{as himself}'' Oh! And don't forget the ab-tab!

''{The tab moves over and Strong Bad's chest obtains Sharpie abs. The page turns to reveal an image of a computer resembling the Tandy 400. On its screen is the message "HOW TYPE BOX GLOVES?" Two tabs are visible, one to the right of the screen and one on the keyboard. A speaker can also be seen on the keyboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey look! It's my crappy old computer! Asking the same crappy old questions!

''{The tab on the screen moves and the screen changes to "DELETED!!"}''

'''SPEAKER:''' ''{very indistinctly}'' Deleted!

'''STRONG BAD:''' The lake head? What does that mean?

''{The tab goes back, taking the screen with it, and changes to "DELETED!!" again.}''

'''SPEAKER:''' Deleted!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Police quest?! This thing is obviously broken.

''{The other tab is pulled, and smoke appears above the computer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No wonder I got rid of that old buncha beige.

''{The page turns. Strong Sad is seen covered in cement. A backhoe, cement mixer, and Strong Bad in a construction helmet are seen in the background. The text reads "Strong Sad is covered in Gray cement" with "Gray cement" in a box. A turning wheel is seen on the right, and another tab is seen at the bottom.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, look! Strong Sad has wandered onto my construction site. What sweet fate did I bestow on him from the cement mixer? ''{The wheel turns, the liquid on Strong Sad turns red, and the box reads "Ram's blood".}'' Ram's blood? ''{The wheel turns, the color becomes light yellow, and the box reads "Boston Cream".}'' Boston cream? ''{Again, to a transitional color and "Magic Eye".}'' Magic Eye? Don't forget the flab-tab! ''{The tab is pulled out, and Strong Sad's upper body flips down to make him look flabbier.}''

''{The page turns to a "NegativeZero" fridge. It has a sticky note on it that reads "2 more eggs!"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The next page is snack time! What am I gonna have to eat today?

''{The door opens to reveal a single burger patty with two pickle slices on it. A carton of "mmmilk", two eggs, a small paper box, a bottle of "pop!", and a jar of mayo are drawn onto the back.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! A real-live burger! Do I get one of these every time I turn the page?!

''{The page turns back to Strong Sad, then to the fridge again. When the door opens this time, there are two burgers inside.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! ''Two'' burgers! ''{Gavin appears from under a flap and crawls around a little}'' Clearly, this pop-up book ''{The fridge door closes, and Gavin crawls out from under it a moment later}'' is a source of unspeakable power.

''{Spooky jungle music plays. The page then turns to Homestar Runner's image, which has a black eye and two saws stuck through him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why look. It's the Homestar Runner! ''{pauses for a moment}'' Bye, the Homestar Runner!

''{The page turns to a [[lackey#Easter Eggs|StrongBad Libs]] version of Strong Bad and The Cheat in front of a cave. The sun can be seen overhead, and there's a tree in front of the cave. There's a tab above the cave and one at the bottom of the page.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{rapidly decreasing volume}'' SeeyalaterStrongBaaa...

''{A wheel under the cutouts of the sun rays starts moving back and forth.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh-oh! It looks like The Cheato Bandito has stolen all of Senor Muybueno's gold!

''{The tree flips down, revealing a pile of gold underneath.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let's help him get some Cheat-tribution.

''{The lower tab is pulled and pushed back several times, and as it does, "Senor Muybueno"'s foot rises and "The Cheato Bandito" moves upward. "Senor Muybueno"'s head also looks up in the process.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Boot 'em up, boot 'em up, boot 'em up, y'all. This is like kicking The Cheat light! All of the flavor, with only half the chance of rabies!

''{The upper tab is pulled, and a bear pokes down in the cave. The tree goes back to normal, and the page turns. Strong Bad's head, with flashing lights for eyes, is in the center. Two towers with ropes between them, and The Tire hanging from them, are in the upper-left, with a sliding tab below it. A "Cold One" is seen to the right of that, with a turn wheel above it. Near it is the BMW Lighter, with a pull tab to its right. A box is in the lower right. A cherub over a "FAT FRYER" is in the lower left, with a tab to its left. In the background, it reads "Slide! Spin! Grasp! Pull! His Head! Tap the flabs! Pull!!!" near each object.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' And the last page would be a veritable cornucop-pourri of pop-up mastery!

''{The various objects all move. The Tire simply falls off its wires. The Cold One has its label replaced over and over. The BMW opens up with a flame, and closes. The box flips over, revealing the same box tipped the other way. The cherub moves into and out of the fryer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' There'd be tabs and flaps, flabs and taps, the string thing that doesn't work, and some more sound chips and dips.

'''SPEAKER:''' Holy crap!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sounds like they improved on the technology since page 2! Aaaaaand, don't forget the crap-flap!

''{A flap turns down with a pile of whatsit underneath. Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So now the pop-up book is primed and ready for the four year-old, or The Cheat, in your life to use as a tissue! That thing'll provide seconds of non-ripped apart fun! Speaking of seconds, I'm gonna go eat my burgers.

''{He leaves. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==

*Click ''Kat Spokane, Wash.'' after [[Strong Bad]] raps for [[The Cheat]] to reveal a [[Beverly Sportsinterviews]] book titled ''[["Cat," spoke Anne, "Wash!"]]''.
*Click on the pop-up [[Tandy 400]] after Strong Bad says "The Lake Head" to see a comparison between Strong Sad's head and [[Wikipedia:Manicouagan Reservoir|Manicouagan Reservoir]] in Quebec, a circular lake formed by a meteor impact in the late Triassic.
*At the end, click ''The Cheat'' to see a clip of The Cheat, Strong Sad, and Bubs playing dominoes. Bubs is [[smoking]] a cigar.
:'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, The Cheat wins again. Pay up.
:'''BUBS:''' Well, she's all yours! ''{He hands The Cheat a car key. The Cheat squeals in happiness and does a dance.}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===

*While the name "Senor Muybueno" has no inherent meaning by itself, the corrected Spanish name "Señor Muy Bueno" would be equivalent to "Mister Very Good" in English.

[[Image:magiceye.jpg|thumb|right|Magic Eye]]

===Trivia===

*This is the first time we see the ceiling of the computer room, or any other room on the same level of the [[House of the Brothers Strong|house]]. 
*The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#codename iceman|codename: iceman]]".
*Decompiling the Flash file reveals that the Magic Eye image is a working stereogram of Saturn, from [http://www.vision3d.com/book.html ''Magic Eye: How to See 3-D''].
*This is the second time we have seen Strong Bad's tremendous jumping abilities, the first time being in [[unused emails]].

===Remarks===

*Although smoke is shown coming out of the computer in the pop-up book, the [[Tandy 400]] actually met its demise due to an explosion and then being thrown out, not overheating.
*When Strong Bad mentions the sound quality has improved since page 2, he is referring to the second pop-up spread. With a traditional page-counting method, this would be pages 4 and 5.
*One of the quickest ways to destroy a pop-up book is to turn the pages without resetting the tabs to their original positions, as Strong Bad does throughout.
*In the Easter egg, it is implied that Bubs is handing over the key to a car. However, the key more strongly resembles a house key, notably in the shape of the head and the fact that it is cut on only one side, a rarity in car keys.
**Older model GM and AMC cars, such as the AMC [[Gremlin]] that Bubs owns, would have this style of single-cut key. However, those keys are distinctly different in appearance from the key that Bubs had.

===Goofs===
*The Cheat's keyboard stays in place in the bottom corner of the screen for the first frame of Strong Bad's jump, instead of staying down on the floor.
*When Strong Bad turns back to the Strong Sad page to create another burger, the flab tab has been reset.
*While Strong Sad's flab tab drops it's the shape of Strong Sad's head with holes in it, not the shape of the flab.
*In the Easter egg, when Bubs moves, so does the column of smoke from his cigar.


===Inside References===

*Strong Bad calling the cherubs "wing-a-ling babies" is a reference to [[dragon]], where Strong Bad calls [[Trogdor]] a "wing-a-ling dragon".
*The "ab tab" shows Strong Bad after using the [[Ab-Abber 2000]].
*The following [[Running Gags]] make appearances in this email:
**[[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?]] (on the Tandy page)
**[[DELETED]] (on the Tandy page)
**[[Kicking The Cheat]] (on Senor Muybueno's page)
**[[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship#Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad|Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]] (on Strong Sad's page)
**[[BMW Lighter]] (on the last page)
**[[Sticky Notes]] (on the refrigerator door)
**[[Smoking]] (Bubs's cigar in the Easter egg)
**[[Senor]] (Strong Bad refers to himself as "Senor Muybueno")
**[[Cold Ones]] (on the last page)
*The odd-looking Strong Bad in the second-to-last section of the book comes from the Strong Bad Libs Easter egg in [[lackey]].
*"2 more [[Eggs|eggs]]" was an ingredient in [[Strong Bad's EGGS]] in [[morning routine]].
*The label "Negative Zero" on the fridge is a reference to [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level -0|Level -0]] in [[Stinkoman 20X6]], and its location on the fridge may be a reference to the weak point of the level's boss, Ekersby.
**"Negative Zero" is also a pun on the high-end refrigerator brand [http://www.subzero.com Sub-Zero].
[[Image:Recessed lighting.PNG|thumb|right|Recessed lighting]]
*The [[Cold Ones]] on the last page of the book are from [[property of ones]], excluding the original Cold One, which was briefly seen in the [[Theme Song Video]].
*Strong Bad was also drawn as a construction worker in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]].
*This email confirms Strong Bad's statement in [[different town]] that his house has recessed lighting.
*The arm movements of The Cheat's dance are similar to those of his hip hop dance in [[New Boots]].


===Real-World References===

*The Cheato Bandito is a reference to Tex Avery's famous "[[Wikipedia:Frito Bandito|Frito Bandito]]", a character featured in many [[Wikipedia:Fritos|Frito]] commercials back in the 1970s. Cheetos and Fritos are both brands of snack foods.
*''[[Wikipedia:Police Quest|Police Quest]]'' is a series of adventure games published by [[Wikipedia:Sierra Entertainment|Sierra]] between 1987 and 1993.
*[[Wikipedia:Magic Eye|Magic Eye]] is a series of books that feature [[Wikipedia:autostereogram|autostereograms]], which allow people to see 3D images by focusing on 2D patterns. The viewer must diverge his or her eyes in order to see a hidden 3-dimensional image within the pattern.
*The "Gold Circle" award (found on the book ''"Cat," spoke Anne, "Wash!"'') plays off of the fact that the two best-known awards for children's books in the U.S.—the [http://www.ala.org/ala/alsc/awardsscholarships/literaryawds/newberymedal/aboutnewbery/aboutnewbery.htm Newbery Medal] and the [http://www.ala.org/ala/alsc/awardsscholarships/literaryawds/caldecottmedal/aboutcaldecott/aboutcaldecott.htm Caldecott Medal]—are circular and golden.

==External Links==

{{sbemailextlinks|146|7133}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Books]]

Talk:Baby Trogdor

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 20:57:25 GMT

Jangles5150:

{{tbd}}
== Merge ==
'''Merge with [[Trogdor]]. <S>Already useless.</S>''' {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:I wouldn't call this information useless. The fact that this character was created just for the store is unique. The other problem is that I don't see where this could go in either [[Trogdor]] or [[Store Baby Clothes]]. What say the rest of ye? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think it should stay here. It definitly merits its own page. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the content on [[Store Baby Clothes]] is enough. From my point of view, Baby Trogdor was simply a stylized version of Regular Trogdor created solely for the baby clothes. Since he hasn't appeared in any toons or games, he's not really a character, just a single graphic. So, I think this page should be '''deleted''' and changed into a '''redirect''' to [[Store Baby Clothes#tshirt_baby_trogdor]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:08, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Good point, Trey. We could also turn it into a '''disambig''', pointing to both Trogdor and the Store.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Loafing has a good idea. '''Agree with the Bread-man!'''--{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

underlings

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 20:55:35 GMT

Jangles5150: undid revision 456345 by 206.255.63.194 (Talk) and your point?

{{sbenav|171}}
[[Image:Coach Z suit sludge underlings.png|thumb|Your tiny bathing suit demeans us all!]]
Strong Bad explains how to tell others about embarrassing social mistakes.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]], [[Strong Sad's Room]], [[Swimming Pool]], [[The Field]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, May 7, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 3:15

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' My email song! Where would I be without my email song? ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: Handling Smelly Underling?</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
I am a manager and I have been told I must talk to one 
of my underlings about their stench. As the foremost 
expert in dealing with smelly underlings, I ask you, what is 
the best way to go about this? I wish to do this with 
some tact & professionalism. 
Sincerely, 
PlasticDiverGuy 
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad pronounces each word in the greeting separately, with short deliberate pauses between them. He pronounces "Dartmouth" as two separate words, and "Scotia" phonetically as SKO-tee-uh.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Man, that show Nova is boring, but I'd watch a show called Dartmouth anyday. ''{clears screen}'' Now lemme tell ya PastyDeadGuy, you came to the right man. I've got so many underlings, I've had to deal with nearly every awkward social situation under the awkward social sun. I'm an expoit! ''{clears screen}'' Firstly, nothing says tact and professionalism like sending a subtle hint with a hilarious novelty t-shirt. So in your situation, you could just start wearing a shirt that has like,

''{Cut to a blank T-shirt}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' —some kinda—

''{A scientist holding a test tube appears on the shirt.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' —science person on it, with a clothespin—

''{A clothespin appears on the scientist's nose.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' —on his nose, and underneath it says: "You Reek-A!"

''{"You Reek-A!" appears on the shirt. Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That way, your smelly underling, or smunderling, can get the message from across the room, and you can safely stay out of stink's reach.

''{Cut to Strong Bad in the bathroom, reading a newspaper titled "Da News Papes". He looks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know, I think I'd probably watch a TV show called "Stink's Reach", too.

''{He looks back down. Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Secondly, nothing says tact and professionalism like slowly revealing a sensitive topic to a friend or loved one—

''{Cut to Strong Sad, drawing on a piece of paper with a pencil.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' —with a clever connect-the-dots puzzle.

''{Cut to a closeup of the paper. It's an alligator wearing sunglasses, holding a sign that reads "WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOU TO FLUSH TWICE!". The connect-the-dots portion is only the rectangular outline of the sign. Strong Sad stops drawing.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' What is he trying to say to me with this cryptic message? ''{taps the pencil twice on "cryptic"}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Furthermore, nothing says pact and trofesssionalism like breaking tough news to someone with a reverse sunburn—

''{Cut to the pool, slowly zooming in. A sunburned Strong Mad faces away from the pool, which Coach Z is in.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' —on your brother's giant, square, billboard-sized back!

''{Strong Mad removes his singlet down to his hips. His back reads "your tiny bathing suit demeans us ALL!" Cut to a closeup.}''

'''COACH Z:''' ''{slowly}'' Your tiny bathing suit demeans us all.

''{Cut to Coach Z.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Aw, fine then! I'll take it orf!

''{He reaches underwater and pulls out a very small pink g-string. The water turns black around him, accompanied by an odd humming noise. Cut back to behind Strong Mad.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' PUT IT BACK ON! PUT IT BACK ON!

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Lastly, nothing says tact and professionalism like a hidden message written in condiments.

''{Cut to a picnic. Homestar Runner is sitting at the table. Strong Bad is wearing an oven mitt and holding a plate with a hot dog with his right hand, and holding a bottle of ketchup in his left. Some ketchup has spilled on the ground. More hot dogs can be seen on a grill behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Here ya go, chumpion!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{taking the hot dog; something small and green is visible in his mouth.}'' Ooh! Thanks, grillmasta!

''{Cut to the picnic table as Homestar puts the hot dog down. It has "you've had that piece" written on it in ketchup.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You've had that piece—

''{The camera pans to another hot dog, with "of cilantro" written on in mustard.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' —of cilantro—

''{The camera pans to a hamburger without its upper bun. "stuck between your teeth" is written in ketchup.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' —stuck between your teeth—

''{The camera pans yet again to a waffle with "since we ate at that mexican restaurant" with an arrow written in syrup.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' —since we ate at that Mexican restaurant—

''{The camera pans again to three pieces of sushi with "2" "wks" and "ago" written on them in wasabi.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' —two weeks ago.

''{Cut to a closeup of Homestar, who has a small piece of cilantro stuck in his mouth}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Two weeks?!... ''TEETH?!''

''{Cut to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing, in a slightly high-pitched voice and in a forced manner}'' In conclusion, these are just some of the many things that nothing says tact and professionalism like. I hope you have enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it. If elected class president, I can't promise you Coke in the water fountains, but I ''can'' promise a hard-worker that will make a difference. And try to get Mrs. Hardmaster fired.

''{He quickly clears the screen, while shaking his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing, speaking normally}'' Whoa! It's like I regressed back to the fifth grade there. And the golden days of the five-paragraph essay. Well, good luck with your smunderling, PranceyDirtGirl. I gotta get started making those 'You Reek-A' t-shirts. Those things are gonna be awesome!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Awkward Social Sun.png|thumb|Now including every awkward social situation!]]
*When Strong Bad types "awkward social sun", click that phrase to see an "Awkward Social Sun" CD.
*When Strong Bad first types "smunderling", click that word to see a description of this creature:
<blockquote>
<big>SMUNDERLING</big>
All Smundy wants to do is be your 
friend. He appears at office 
parties & in enchanted caverns 
at random. Very vulnerable to 
harsh truths and Discs of Healing.
FREQUENCY: Rare 
INTELLIGENCE: Low to middlin' 
ARMOR CLASS: +8
</blockquote>
*At the end, click "awesome" to see a clip of the Stink's Reach show.
:''{In Strong Bad's basement, looking at his TV. Music plays, and pull in slowly on a sign reading "You are now entering Stink's Reach", with stink lines drawn above it.}''
:'''NARRATOR:''' In a town called "Stink's Reach", no one's record is clean.
:'''ANNOUNCER 1:''' Tuesdays at 8:30.
:''{"Tuesdays @ 8:30" appears at the bottom of the screen, then cut through static to a screen reading "We now return to Dartmouth". The O in "Dartmouth" is a stylized mouth, with darts flying out of it.}''
:'''ANNOUNCER 2:''' We now return to Dartmouth!
:''{Cut to a shot of Strong Bad sleeping on the couch, with the TV going behind him.}''
:'''TV CHARACTER:''' Dartmouth! He's getting away!
:'''DARTMOUTH:''' Stand clear. I know what to do.
:''{Sounds are heard of someone retching, and a dart flying and hitting a piece of wood}''
:'''VILLAIN:''' Ow! Pointy!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{incomprehensible mumbles}'' Lost... Vikings! ''{more incomprehensible mumbles}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*The [[wikipedia:Essay#The_five-paragraph_essay|five paragraph essay]] is composed of an intro paragraph, three body paragraphs, and a conclusion. Essays of this type are commonly used throughout middle and high school. This e-mail roughly follows the five-paragraph essay format.
*"Pact and trofesssionalism" is a [[Wikipedia:Spoonerism|Spoonerism]], the switching of the initial letters in two words of a phrase. In this case, "'''t'''act and '''p'''rofesssionalism" becomes "'''p'''act and '''t'''rofesssionalism".

===Trivia===
*The newspaper reads:
{| style="border-collapse: collapse; border: 3px solid #999"
| style="border-right: 3px solid #999; font-size: 2em; text-align: center; line-height: 1em; padding: 5px; font-family:Times New Roman,serif" | Back Pape
| style="border-left: 3px solid #999; font-size: 2em; text-align: center; line-height: 1em; padding: 5px; font-family:Times New Roman,serif" | Da NewsPapes
|-
| style="border-right: 3px solid #999; padding: 5px; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:120%" | A sports player signed a contract worth a bunch of money. "Whooey!" said the player's uncle. "I could buy a car with that much cashness."
| style="border-left: 3px solid #999; padding: 5px; font-family:Times New Roman,serif;font-size:120%" | Global relations set all types of box office records this weekend. Studio execs were encouraged by the turn -around. So was I.
|}
* This email is the first email since [[looking old]] not to mention [[DNA evidence]].
*After typing "And try to get Mrs. Hardmaster fired.", Strong Bad originally typed "for child abuse." just before clearing the screen. This was later removed for unknown reasons.

===Remarks===
[[Image:Connect the dots.PNG|thumb|A cryptic message]]
*Homestar seems to be surprised at the prospect of having teeth even though they were clearly visible in [[theme song]].
*Although Strong Bad appeared to dislike long emails in [[long pants]], this email contains 59 words, 3 words longer than the said email.
*Although Strong Mad is revealed to have underwear in [[strong badathlon]], they seem to be absent when he takes off his singlet to reveal the message to Coach Z.
*In the Easter egg, the left post of the "Stink's Reach" sign is in the middle of the road.
*The scientist on the "You Reek-A!" t-shirt has eyes that are used from Strong Sad's right eye.
*Some of the dots on Strong Sad's connect-the-dots puzzle are separated by the alligator's mouth and hands. Strong Sad doesn't connect the dots that are separated, and simply skips over them.
*In the [[TV Time Toons Menu|Toons menu]], the clip that appears on the TV when rolling the mouse over "Underlings" in New Stuff shows Homestar accepting a hot dog from Strong Bad without cilantro hanging from his "teeth."

===Fixed Glitches===
*When the email was first released, at the end, the "I" at the beginning of "I gotta get started..." was clickable, but did not do anything. This was fixed a few hours after the email was released.

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad read [[Periodicals|Da NewsPapes]] while in the bathroom in [[candy product]].
*Strong Bad is holding a [[Quite Fancy 'Chup]] bottle (the label is obscured by his glove).
*Strong Bad refers to the emailer as "[[Prancing|Prancey]]".
*This is another instance of Strong Bad's [[Couch Mumbling|couch mumbling]].
*The smunderling's fact sheet in general is very similar to [[Jhonka]]'s from [[impression]].
*This is another appearance of [[oven mitts]].
*"Smunderling" and "chumpion" are both [[Portmanteaus]].

===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:NOVA (TV series)|NOVA]] is a [[Wikipedia:PBS|PBS]] television series about science topics which premiered in 1974 and is still running to this day.
*[[Wikipedia:The Lost Vikings|The Lost Vikings]] is a side-scrolling puzzle/platform video game developed and released by Silicon & Synapse (now [[Wikipedia:Blizzard Entertainment|Blizzard Entertainment]]) in 1992.
*The information about the smunderling's frequency, intelligence and armor class refers to the way that [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] monsters are described, like that previously used for the Jhonka.
*The "Awkward Social Sun" CD and particularly the hairstyle on its cover are a reference to [[Wikipedia:Emo (slang)|emo]] culture. 
*Condiment messages were used to present the opening credits in the film [[Wikipedia:Napoleon Dynamite|Napoleon Dynamite]].
*The "Stink's Reach" promo is a parody of the [[Wikipedia:ABC|ABC]] drama series ''[[Wikipedia:Twin Peaks|Twin Peaks]]''.

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== Featured mark? ==

Shouldn't we have something on a page that tells you it is/was a featured article (like the star on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], or the alternate "Featured" logo on [http://www.uncyclopedia.org Uncyclopedia])? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

:On the talk page of every featured article there is the {{tl|featuredarticle}} template. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, because I didn't see one on [[Strong Mad]]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:::It's on [[Talk:Strong Mad]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::::I think that The Mu's idea is good. It would give a quick indication of a featured article. I think something like Wikipedia's bronze star (see [[Wikipedia:Automatic number plate recognition]] for an example) would be good. It's non-instrusive and informative. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Take a look at {{tl|featuredicon}}... the results of me experimenting with the Wikipedia template... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with marking our articles as featured, especially in the main namespace, not because the star isn't clever—it's plenty clever—but because we are so cavalier about which articles we choose. I am not saying that we should choose articles differently. We have a style of choosing that works for us. What I ''am'' saying is that it doesn't lend itself to permanent recognition. For example, today's featured article is the [[TV Time Toons Menu]], which is interesting, but hardly an example of "one of the best articles produced by the Homestar Runner community." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:I concur. Our method of choosing articles has little to do with whether or not they're among our finest articles. Rather, we have certain sequences to follow (such as featuring all the main characters) and we like to stick in other things that are major sections of or toons on the H*R.com itself. I don't think we should use that star. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 13:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:True... I thought the same thing when {{tl|featuredarticle}} was being put on talk pages... we're not Wikipedia, which can have a new FA every day and still only pick the cream of the crop... we're limited by the number of articles we have. Looking back, the majority of the FA's are about an interesting aspect of H*R, rather than a necessarily good page on HRWiki (though the former can help with the latter, if only because it directs more eyes to the page). This is kinda why I didn't start putting {{tl|featuredicon}} on pages... {{User:Phlip/sig}}

::I have the same problem with {{tl|featuredarticle}} on talk pages, but there's just not ever been a good time to bring it up. At the very least, that template needs to be reworded. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Agree and agree. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::The verbiage of {{tl|featuredarticle}} was mentioned during the [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection/General Discussion#Featured Template]] and [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 2#Daily Features]] discussions, but never addressed. I think it could be reworded. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::And [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:featuredarticle&curid=11400&diff=346353&oldid=217646 the recent change] looks great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::(Referring to the link Tom just posted) I changed the image and reworded the template. In both cases I tried to capture the essence of our selection process. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I also find that the new template better exemplifies our process of choosing featured articles. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::::When I first made it, I just copied from Wikipedia. But now it realy have that HRWiki feel to it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I still like the star better. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Without star, nothin'. The one big reason to place a badge in the upper-right corner of each featured article, regardless of what anyone might say, is that otherwise, it looks like nobody on the wiki knows how. You don't want that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
:I disagree. The fact that someone might think we lack wiki savvy is no reason to wield it in ways we do not need. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
::With the star, people can see that this is a featured article without goin' to the talk page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, but it's not all that important to know if something's a featured article... as discussed above, if an article is featured it says more about the ''topic'' than it does about the article itself. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::::But we gotta look ''legit'', man! Even if the featured articles aren't anything to write home about, that doesn't mean a badge isn't in order. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

The reason Wikipedia has stars is because there are tons and tons of pages about all sorts of things, and tons of vandals, and the pages can't be monitored and worked on by the entire community, so when one article is very good it deserves a marking. This isn't how we do it here, and because it's a smaller space based on one thing, every page is about on the same level of quality. I'm fine with the tag on the talk page. {{User:Salty/sig}} 23:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:That reasoning is still confusing, just like the reasoning for calling the Fhqwhgads Robot "Visor Robot" back then. No offense, but why not just do it? Are you doing this for yourself or the user, anyway? Most regular users wouldn't waste their time on talk pages, because if you're not a member of the community, it's irrelevant (I know I don't look at talk pages to wikis I don't contribute to). Besides, we could make a star like the one on Homestar's shirt. That would be cute and clever. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

::But it's also irrelevant to a casual reader which pages are featured and which aren't. To a casual reader, knowing which pages have been featured gives ''no'' information about the topic, or the quality of the page – ''all'' it says is that we think the topic is interesting. This is unlike Wikipedia where a featured star means that ''the article is high quality'', which is useful information for researchers using Wikipedia as a source... but it carries no such weight here. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Whatever. I still think we need one. Not having one just makes the wiki look like a n00b community. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
::::Putting stars just for stars' sake is making us look like a n00b community. And the wiki would eventually look like Strong Bad's webpage.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

::My opinion is that doing what need not be done is a hopeless waste of time. Also, why would the reader care that we think this or that is important? Don't talk down to them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

==IRC scheduled chats==

I propose that we put the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&oldid=179699 scheduled chat notice] back in the sitenotice, as it was up until November, at which point it was apparently taken down due to spamming issues. However, with very few outright spamming attacks, the most recent being of a recently blocked user, who was subsequently banned without issue, the channel has no reason not to be advertised. In fact, it has reason for ''to'' be advertised, what with the unsatisfyingly low average user count. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets nostalgic about those friendly Mondays and Fridays. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:I'm up for putting the notice up every now and then. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Sysop Nominations ==

Is there an open sysop nomination page? Just wondering. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, we only add sysops when we think that we need them. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::Also see [[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|here]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Question From a Sysop Wannabe ==

:Dear Sysops,
::How would you get to be a sysop? I was also wondering if anyone could help me learn html (Okay, I'll learn HTML on my own....). Any help?? Please??

::::Sysop Wannabe,
:::{{User: Unme93/sig}}
::[[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|Read this.]] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Audio Articles ==
While reading [[Swears]] out loud with a very bad English accent for my own weird amusment, I had an idea: How about we have audio versions (.ogg) of featured articles? Wikipedia have those and I think we should also. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:Although this would certainly be entertaining, I question the practicality of having audio versions of our articles. What is Wikipedia's reason for having them? Accessibility? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Not really accessibility, but that's still a minor reason. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia#Benefits]] for the full list. I don't think it would work too well for us though, as we have significantly less content that it could be done with and those articles change quite a bit. But hey, if you want to record it for kicks and see how many laughs you get, it might be funny. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:::You know what? I'll do it. I'll read [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] and upload the ogg to the wiki, use it, delete it, it's up to you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, crap. The microphone part of my audio card is busted, so I can't record anything for a while. Anyone else wants to do it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Eh, I'll do it. A bonus for those who don't join our [[Wikipedia:Skype|Skype]] calls. I'm afraid I don't have the means to convert it to vorbis, though. Perhaps someone can change it later. I'll start tomorrow. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::::::If you want, you can send me the file in any format you'd like and I'll turn it to .ogg {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Try [http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Audacity]. It's free and has the capability to export as Ogg Vorbis. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::::That's what I was going to use. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Oop. I was talking to Lapper. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:I vote [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] to do the talking. :) (Seriously, if you haven't heard his voice, make it your goal to do so. It's awesome.) {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I completely and utterly agree! Someone who is not a ruler of a variation of thieves

:::Why, thank you kind annony who is in no way not me or my computer obsessed sister. I wouldn't mind doing it. My voice does kick butt! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Rogue, you're completely insane ''and'' obsessed with your own voice. Which, by the way, can't actually be "handome". I'm sure your sister had a fun time typing into the computer-box, as well. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, you guys. The first spoken article is online [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=360343]. It's not quite a featured article, but an... erm.. important part of the wiki nonetheless. Also, notice the new [[Template:Spoken_article_entry|template]] that goes on the description of the media file. We should set up a page, describing how to create and label spoken articles. And we might want to put something in place for claiming an article. Phlip nearly recorded [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]], not knowing that Lapper had already done that.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Now, I'm going to have to interject on that one. [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] is actually first, in that (a) it's an article, and (b) the only reason it hasn't been uploaded yet is a restriction on server upload size. It should be done by this afternoon. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::For the actual cartoons, we could capture the audio and then record the actions in between pauses. And Loafing, your voice sounds funny. :-P ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It seems E.L. Cool came up with two ideas at the same time; one of them flourishing, and one of them being quickly forgotten. I guess this project may have to wait for its turn. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Hi, the new subtitles project doesn't mean this one have to stop. If my sound card wasn't busted then we would already have the first spoken article. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

How would one get an ogg player? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Try [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Media_help|this page]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I should probably get around to uploading this. It's been sitting around in my Documents folder for like two months now. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Project page: '''[[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]]'''.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Don't get us mixed up ==

Just so no one gets confused, I thought I'd explicitly mention that I'm setting up an account for my wife, Janene. She has volunteered to help handle some of the proprietor responsibilities around here like updating the ledger and activating forum accounts when we receive COPPA forms. I don't anticipate her doing much more than that, but in order for her to do these things I have granted her the sysop and proprietor roles here on the wiki and will grant her administrative privileges on the forum when I set her up over there. Her username is [[User:JaneneDay|JaneneDay]], and I'm sure she would appreciate a warm welcome, which I have no doubt will happen mere seconds after I post this. In fact, someone may notice her new account and welcome her ''before'' I've even posted this. You guys are always on the ball. Oh, and sorry I haven't been around much. I have more time on my hands now and would like to get more involved again, but I'd also like to get the Homestar Runner Network off the ground, so I may end up using my time over there. At any rate, I'm starting to miss all you crazy people. Cheers! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:It'll be great to have such a well-known new user on HRWiki, and I'm proud to have made such a welcome. I'm sure Janene (or JaneneDay) will be warmly regarded. We miss you, too, Joey. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::Now we can truly say that the HRWiki is a family-run business. :-D ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Hi Joey. Hi Janene. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've now removed Janene from the sysop group. The permissions for the proprietor role have been modified so that she has exactly the access she needs to do the paperwork she'll be doing without any additional privileges she doesn't need. You should still welcome her, though, of course. ;) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Subtitles ==

Some of us have started working on subtitling Homestar Runner Flash cartoons to make them accessible to a wider audience. I would like to know what the HRWiki folks think about this. Should this be a part of the knowledge base wiki? Should it be separate? Would you help? The subtitles are based on the transcripts from the wiki, so there is a strong connection already. The [http://hstarsubs.awardspace.com/ subtitles project] is still beta, but it should work with Firefox and Internet Explorer. Most subtitles have been donated by Phlip from an older project, and I and Elcool have done the international ones. Check it out and let us know.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: I personally know one person who'd be interested in that... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::I strongly support having some way to intergrate the subtitles files into the wiki. As a non-native speaker sometimes I need to go over the wiki transcript just to see what a word or two means. This way , it's already inside the toon window itself. Also, we could open the door for people with hearing problems who still want experiance Homestar Runner like the rest of us. Some flash artists like Weeble from Weeble and Bob and the people behind Too Much Spare Time Animation have already added subtitles to some of their toons. So If TBC aren't going to do it themselvs, we are here for them. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: The .xml file for Exp Film's Commentary doesn't work. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::Cheers, fixed the link. Also, listening to the commentary is currently not possible anyway, because of Flash security measures :-/ And I forgot to upload the experiment film subs, will have to wait until I'm back home.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::We need this in the [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]], pronto. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I showed it to the person I previously alluded. The biggest reason I got into H*R in the first place was because it allowed me to share the gift of Homestar with this person, who cannot hear. She says she likes the subtitled stuff better than the Wiki. "But no offense." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::Seriously, you just made my day :-D {{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Deaf watchers, eh? I'd assume ''captions'', as opposed to ''subtitles'' would be more important then, yes? (For the uninitiated: subtitles transcribe the words, captions transcribe all the sound effects too.) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Take 'em as they come. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, let's just say, hypothetically, I wanted to make one of these. How would I get the frame numbers to start/stop each line on? And how would I test it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::We haven't quite worked out the standards for subtitles/captions yet, so the format may change a little. But if you want to try it now, then here's how you do it: You need Phlip's Firefox [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]]. This will give you a seek bar for Flash toons from Homestarrunner.com. It also displays the current frame number. Then you grab one of the XML files from the subtitle site, scoop it empty, and use it as a skeleton. You probably also want to copy the text of the transcript into this file and split it up into short sections or sentences that you want to display as one title. Then use the seekbar to find the first and last frame numbers for each of the sections. It gets easy after you've done it once or twice. And you get to know the toon pretty well. Also note that each character has his or her own colour code. I'll put a page online soon with some more detailed hints, and I'll come up with a way of testing the titles. — I'm still not sure where to put the page with instructions. Do people believe this should be an HRWiki project, or should it be separate? {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Aside from the frame numbers, I'd pretty much figured that all out. I have the beginnings of a [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] .xml file, but without frame numbers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Sound promising :-) I'll come up with a test page soon(ish). And you've heard that before, but... you should really be on IRC ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never successfully managed to join IRC when a useful conversation is taking place. Plus, I have issues getting to it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright you guys, I finished the .XML file for Cool Tapes. [[User:The Mu/subtitleCoolThings|Ding!]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a talk page specifically for this project? I thought of some things to discuss, but we'd flood Da Basement. I think there should be some sort of central Wiki page for this project, even if it's in a User space. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
: I'm not in the mood for IRC right now, but I figured I'd give an update. I have all of the text in my .xml file. I do not, however, have any frame numbers past the three Coach Z/Pom Pom scenarios. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::Qermaq: Asked and ye shall [[HRWiki:Subtitles|recieve]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Expanding the gamut of styles==
'''Discussion moved to [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]].'''

== Preserve birthday card as part of the history ==

I think Invisible Robot Fish did an outstanding job on Matt's [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish#The_Finished_Product|birthday card]]. Above and beyond the call of duty here. The finished product is a sight to behold. As such, I think it and the work that went into it should have a page and a link in the history, like, say, [[HRWiki:Matt's 2006 birthday card]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Seconded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Third'd!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Four! uhh... d'd.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Absolutely! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Somehow I think we might do something like this again. Do we want to create a new page for each birthday card type thing, or should we put them all on one page?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

:I say, let's cross that bridge when we come to it; it might be nice to take it in a little bit of a different direction next year (not necessarily [[:Image:sbemail28.PNG|gluing Matt's hands to his butt]], but maybe something other than another card). Assuming this does become a yearly thing, then we probably will want to find a way to organize whatever greetings we choose to do... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Gluing his hands to his butt sure got my vote! Oh wait, he can't make toons then. Scrap that!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh Wow, I had overlooked this section of Da Basement. I'm glad that you guys appreciated my work. I feel so...imortalized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Should we save the external images of people's sigs just incase they are deleted on that person's personal external page? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sure. We can always save a sig as handsome as mine for later. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion Policy ==

As discussed on [[Talk:Homestar's Fashion Sense]], I feel the need for a deletion policy. We don't have one, and articles such as [[Marshie's Mother]] and [[jumbo/LARGE]] seem to pop up at every new email or toon (don't call me a hypocrite because I created that last one). They are short, one-toon-specific, and quite useless. The talk pages of these articles are usually filled with debate over whether to keep them or not, but it's not very organized and it's hard to tell when to pull the plug on an article. What I'm suggesting is a STUFF-like template that can be pulled out in situations like these so that these mini-articles may be dealt with faster. Thoughts? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:First, I feel that formally voting on things should be reserved as a last resort. Perhaps more important than a formal process would be some guidelines as to what definitely merits a page and what definitely does not. Forming such a policy would serve the dual purpose of giving sysops an easier decision in whether a page should be deleted, as well as inform new page creators of what will not be accepted. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Policy, guidelines, you know what I mean. But seriously, guidelines is a better idea. That way, it will serve the purpose I'm hoping to get across and be accessable ''before'' somebody creates one of those articles! Cool. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::We ''do'' have a deletion policy, which is clearly laid out at [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]], stating in part "Pages clearly unrelated to Homestar Runner [should be deleted]", and otherwise should be voted upon for deletion if clearly not up to snuff. One-time articles are clearly a part of this wiki, whether we like it or not. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, non-H*R makes for pretty clear deletion material. What's sometimes dicier is whether something should get its ''own'' page or be part of a larger one. And yes, I think laying out a little more formally where we stand would be good—but it would also be difficult. Some time ago, like a year or summat, there was a big "merge vs. delete" craze. Personally, I really, really have mixed feelings. On the one hand, [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|wiki is not paper]], so there's no functional reason not to have a page for every little doo-dad. On the other hand, I always lament the idea of there being pages that no one would ever find without searching specifically for them. Plus it gets more unwieldy: more pages to patrol and more likelihood that substandard wikiwriting could slip past unnoticed; also, if the doo-dad shows up again later, it can be hard to remember that its page existed and update it. Like I say... mixed feelings. Maybe a starting point would be to say that a page should ''not'' exist if it ''doesn't'' offer a unique opportunity to expound on its topic in ways that aren't possible in other pages. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::''edit conned'' That deletion policy gives us nothing when we try to figure out if [[Marshie's Mother]], [[jumbo/LARGE]], [[Coach Z Ale]], [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]], [[Marzipan's Purse]], and [[The Poopsmith's Shovel]] are worthy articles. The final decisions from the process are mostly good (the majority can't go wrong, right??), but it's highly irregular and not all articles are treated fairly. The fact that everyone has said that we need a deletion policy for so long, yet nobody has done it, shows how difficult it is to figure some guidelines out. The "keep" threshold is always different for an article about a character, a pseudocharacter, a product, a magazine, a foodstuff, an inside joke, an electronic item, a clothing item, a fictional band, a TV show, a movie, a book, or a computer program, and everybody has a different idea on where the threshold should be. There are also those ambiguous factors of how many appearances there are and how important the item was in the toon. Obviously the current deletion policy is not cut out for helping us decide these things. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Therefore, we should stop fidgeting around and figure something out. Let's lay out some good guidelines for all to use, because the current deletion policy isn't cutting it. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::I believe the current unwritten rule regarding such things as running gags is a three use rule. Once isn't noteworthy, twice is a Fun Fact, and thrice usually warrants a page. This doesn't really clarify such instances as the various items however, nor does it work for characters, which usually get a page if they are seen, and especially if they are part of a group of established characters (Such as the recent creation of the [[Old-Timey Alien]] page, and to a more questionable extent, [[Don Knotts]]). However I do not belive these rules are written in stone anywhere, and I think it would be difficult to do so, since the fact is the lines between keep and delete are usually grey ones, it's rarely a case of black and white. In my opinion I think the status quo is working relatively well, though I'm rarely the first to suggest radical change. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I don't think we are be aiming for a radical change. We just want to figure down some guidelines about what a certain type of article should be judged upon. For instance, TBird's first sentence about running gags is something that people already agree on, so we may as well write that down in the Deletion Policy while we're thinking about it. (*Waits for someone to jump at the opportunity*) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even that rule, however, is not without it's loopholes. Instances such as "Homestar Running up a hill", though perhaps having happened three or more times, doesn't really warrant a page of its own, which is where the majority vote usually comes in. What's to say that doesn't warrant a page, whereas "Bubs Running", "Homsar's Walking Noise", or Marzipan Playing a Flute" might? Granted, that falls more in the question of "what is a running gag", rather than "when does a running gag get its own page", but it all falls under the larger banner of "when does a page get deleted or not?", which as I stated before isn't really an easy policy to nail down in writing. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::What is a running gag (and to a lesser extant an inside joke) is being discussed in [[HRWiki:RG]], although it's dormant at the moment. Here are some of ''my'' personal guidelines on whether to delete a page or not:
:::::::::#On supposed running gags page - Need at least three appearances on canon Homestar Runner toons and is spacial in some way to the Homestar Runner world in contrast to the real world.
:::::::::#On general items, actions or animals that does not relate to one another such as [[Pizza]] or [[Explosions]] - Need at least five to ten appearance (depending how general or common it is in the real world) on canon Homestar Runner toons.
:::::::::#On item pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as long as it played some sort of role in the plot and not just a background item. Any item that is part of a character's outfit (Coach Z's Z, The Poopsmith's Shovel) does not merit a page and could be integrated into that character's biography page.
:::::::::#On character pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as not as it is not a minor variation on one of the already established characters, a character in a costume or a different personality of that character. Movie and theatric character play characters are en exception.
:::::::::#Other pages - Any repeating, dominant or part of the canon Homestar Runner toons that could not be fitted into the toon's page as a fun fact ([[The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]]), part of the transcript ([[Experimental Film Visuals]]) or Easter egg ([[Strumstar Hammer]]) are allowed.
:::::::::When discussing on articles nominated for deletion, I look for those guidelines for help. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::And those are very good personal rules that could be integrated into the guidelines we're thinking about. To people that are saying this is a "gray area", I believe that's exactly what we're trying to fill in with our page. I suggest that all of us share our personal tactics for situations like these, such as E.L. Cool did, and we can pick, choose, and mesh them all together for the final product. Sound good? Here are mine:
::::::::::#Email-specific articles: Very minor characters, items, sayings, or places do not merit a page. If it was a major part of the email or toon, yes or maybe.
::::::::::#Articles with a character's name in the title: Usually merge with character page unless it is/becomes a running gag.
::::::::::#Spam, Spam, and more Spam: Obviously delete.
::::::::::#All Articles: If no more than five lines of text can be used to describe the subject, delete or merge. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::I just discovered this thread as I was about to begin an identical one. As someone who's created a couple very minor, deleteable articles in the last couple days, I sense a strong need to establish some guidelines. And I think it's okay to be specific about the number of appearances necessary for a kind of item to get its own article — we can still be flexible and decide on an article's merit by voting, but establishing guidelines will prevent many of the wrong articles from being created in the first place. I personally like E.L. Cool's suggestions very much (Brightstar, yours are good too, but his are a bit more specific). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing this again! I was beginning to think this was a lost cause, but maybe it could really happen! I know E. L. Cool's guidelines were better than mine; I just wanted to put my own personal ones up. Pages like [[Smoke Detector|this one]], [[Marshie's Mother|this one]], and [[Stooly|this one]] just bother me beyond reason. Also [[Wilbur|this one here]], but nobody agreed with me about that. Anyway, way too many small, useless articles are being created every day and we need some set guidelines to deal with them. Now, I'm not saying every one of these should be promptly deleted/merged/whatever else, I'm just saying that we need something to refer to so heated arguments don't erupt (at least as often) in regards to what should be done with said small, insignifigant article. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::While I like EL's list, [[Wilbur|this one here]] is a good example of why even with a list we need to realize there's a need to discuss most any article that may be put up for deletion no matter the rules. I wouldn't mind having more "rules" as to what is suggested to be set to pending deletion or what's expected of a new article. On the other hand there are a number of pages that are out there that I could see these suggestions bringing up for deletion, and while some of them maybe should go away. But there is still debate to be had as to is something a gag, an important item, if it should be merged with something else. etc. etc. Also, we need to continue to realize that "once deleted, always deleted" is not a rule. There may be a better way to make an article, or a reason for it's existence that has not been thought of before, or additional appearances, or any number of possible reasons. I just want to make sure we know exactly what we want a policy to do, and that we word it as such with thought given to possible ramifications. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 22:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
::Tell you what; I'll make a possible guidelines article in Microsoft Word and make it one of my subpages. When I'm done, I'll link to it from here and we can critique it, adding, subtracting, rivising, etc. as we go to create a fine policy. Sound good? I'll go and do that now, so don't expect to hear from me for about an hour. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, here it is: [[User:Brightstar Shiner/Deletion Guidelines]]. I took the guidelines from the ideas posted in this disscussion, mainly E.L. Cool's. Note that this is but the first version; feel free to point out any problems or suggestions you might want to tell me. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== A Vandal? ==

72.130.213.123 seems to be doing mostly bad edits. Should they be banned?
Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn, although I guess you can't speak out of turn on a message board, right? I mean when's your turn, it's not 'til you reply. - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 01:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
:Looking at their [[Special:Contributions/72.130.213.123|contributions]], they've made one edit, which wasn't all that bad. I hardly think a block is needed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Look to [[Special:Contributions/70.64.178.238|70.64.178.238]] for an example of blockable behavior. A simple bad edit is not necessarily vandalism. Also, blocking anonymous IPs is not a routine activity as many IPs are temporary - an appreciable block on an IP can potentially affect many innocent users. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

== Semi-protection implemented ==
Back in March is was [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 5#Semi-protecting|discussed]] that semi-protection would be a good idea to deter most main page template vandalism. This semi-protection has now been implemented for both Whatsnew and the current featured article. This will prevent anonymous users and recently created user accounts from editing. A section further explaining this will be added to [[HRWiki:Protected page]], which is linked to when a user attempts to edit a protected page. We would appreciate your thoughts on whether we should disclose on that page the exact amount of time it takes before a new user is able to edit. Thanks, [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, the exact amount of time is 28 hours. The number was chosen intentionally to be just a little more than exactly one day. In addition, all page moves are disabled during this period, regardless of the protected status of a page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::The two sides to the argument are pretty much equal, from what I can see.
::*'''Point:''' New users may be frustrated to find they can't move or edit certain pages, and then not know why they can't do so. It's only natural to place such information in a readily visible area.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Few new users are knowledgeable enough to know how or to have a reason to move pages or edit semi-protected pages in their first 28 hours; therefore, it wouldn't have an impact on them.
::*'''Point:''' As this time-limitation would generally only thwart the casual vandal, said vandal would probably have no reason to check [[HRWiki:Protected page]] for information; the disclosure is safe there.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Even a casual vandal would come across the link to [[HRWiki:Protected page]] quickly, scan the page for information, and have no problem waiting 28 hours until he or she can vandalize to his or her heart's content.
::In any case, I'm leaning towards '''opposed'''. I don't think we need this clause at [[HRWiki:Protected page]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I would rather have a brief explanation on that page. We don't have so many vandals that we need to worry about it too much, and I don't want to give real new users the impression that editing here is harder than it actually is. I don't think we need to mention the exact duration, though.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Regarding Lapper's point that vandals would check the [[HRWiki:Protected page]] to see how long they'd have to wait, I propose we just use language like "semi-protection prevents all unregistered or recently registered users from editing a page" and not include the exact time limit. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Let's also bear in mind that this will not stop vandalism, it will simply make it more of a bother to vandalize certain key pages. A casual vandal will simply do what he can, perhaps to another page, and a dedicated vandal will figure it out and do it no matter what we do to try to stop him. But this would provide a certain level of insurance against high-visibility or mission-critical areas from being compromised. That's probably a good thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with the above comments: the semi-protection is a good idea, but no need to disclose the exact length of time. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I agree: Semi-protection should be mentioned, as we are an honorable wiki that does not lie to its users. Furthermore, semi-protection should be included on high visibility HRWiki pages such as The Stick. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I just had a thought... why are we still full-protecting the images on the main page? Is there a reason we're not semi-protecting them too? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I would say so that they don't get defaced whilst they are on the main page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, no reason that I can think of. Just waiting for someone to bring it up (how passive of me...) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I still support ''full'' protection of images on the main page. They were fully protected when the main page templates weren't protected at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ditto. It makes sense, too, coz semi-protection locks out just IPs (right?). But IPs can't upload images anyway (right?), so it doesn't do a whole lot for images. Also, no offense to anyone out there (coz I'm not thinking of anyone specific), but a lot of users can't make very good images. JPGs, poor cropping, etc. Aside from vandalism, no one wants that on the main page either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Highly visible images need to retain their integrity at all times. In answer to Dorian's uncertainty, semi-protection locks out both IPs and users who are not yet auto-confirmed. IPs can't upload images, but I believe that users who aren't auto-confirmed still can; the lockout definitely includes moving and editing of semi-protected pages, but I'm not sure if they can upload. If they can, perhaps we should consider locking that off as well? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Hmmm that's a good question: clicking on "{{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Tirecake.png upload file}}" does not preclude me from seeing the form. I'd like to try uploading a picture over a protected page, but I'd rather work with a test picture -- unless Dot Com or Tom or one of the other guys know definitively if protection prevents the picture from being replaced? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Limited editability for user pages ==

The only people who should ever need to edit a user page is that user themselves, and sysops (in case there's inappropriate material). Maybe there's a rare case where someone asks another user to help with their page, but it shouldn't be hard to set up a system where editing user pages is restricted to sysops, the selfsame user, and a list of usernames that that user trusts to edit their page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 14:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, if there's inappropriate content, normal users can also remove or censor that, too. Not just sysops. Because, it's harder for inappropriate user content to be removed by only sysops when they just make up [[Special:Statistics|.3% of the population]]. Now, the other thing I'm worried about is this trusted user thing. If a user's on a trusted user list, and decides to start trolling, or vandalize friendly (as in, the two users edit each other's user pages non-stop), then only a few people can revert that. Now, that won't be MUCH of a problem, as sysops are constantly logged in and will be able to revert/block such trolls. Plus, we have the semi-protection system, which pretty much allows all trusted users to edit semi-protected pages. In conclusion, my point is, why try to perfect a pretty much perfected system? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::Because twice now I've seen "I suck" added to a user page without the user's knowledge, once being my own and I think people's identities and descriptions would be a lot safer by my method. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Wait, identities and descriptions? Do you mean, what users put on their own user pages? That, and you've only seen it TWICE. Trust me, I've had it happen to me tons of times, and to be honest, it's not something to worry about. I bring up a vandal who, how do I put this, uploaded an inappropriate drawing done in MS Paint. Now, this user could set up an account, upload the file when the sysops aren't around, and then put it on his/her user page and trusted users have to sit there and wait. And that's why semi-protection works. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Then how about a user rating system (say 1 to 10) where users can edit their own rating and lower, but not higher, i.e. sysops are a 10, anonamous IPs are a 0, and everyone else is somewhere in the middle, and the rating is an algorithm based on the number and frequency of useful (ie. not reverted, not talk page, not repeat edits to the same article) edits they have made. Such a system could also be useful for other things as well, such as:
::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop
::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits)
::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating
::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page
::::just to name a few. We invented STUFF, why can't we invent this too? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop: When they see someone who deserves it because of their amazing edits, not some ranking, they decide if they need to be a sysop.
:::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits): It seems to be a system where we only trust those with high numbers, and it's hard to climb up the status ladder.
:::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating: Well, we try to limit editing featured pages, and we restrict featured images, so it wouldn't hurt a lot if an annony makes a few small edits to something on the Main Page. Otherwise, we can revert them.
:::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page: The Main Page is pretty much edited through templates that I believe most people can edit.
:::::In conclusion, it seems to be a complete social status system based on seniority or artificial trust, rather than on good edits or good faith. It also seems harder to climb the ladder, as I've said, making it basically a site for regulars only. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 16:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strange "Testing" ==

I just wanted to mention that I've noticed a few edits ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AShellabella17&diff=434055&oldid=434054] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Apehodet&diff=prev&oldid=433754] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:personal-image&diff=434141&oldid=434053]) that reveal an unusual pattern (I'd call in vandalism) in editing. I know it's not big now, but I'm starting to wonder if this is a prelude to to a more automated... um... "attack". --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I noticed this too. At first, they didn't necessarily seem like bad-faith edits, but their consistency made me suspicious just as it did you. Fortunately, one of the sources of these edits [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Apehodet has been taken care of], along with an IP range, but time will tell if the problem persists. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Redirects to userspaces ==

Some users have odd unusual characters in their usernames. It's awkward to remember all the accented and umlauted letters for the average American, to whom this wiki is targeted. I suggest we adopt the policy of allowing a redirect to users whose names contain one or more unusual characters which is spelled how a normal Americasn with a normal keyboard and a normal command of the English language would type it. Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: I, personally, don't have a problem with this, and it is mildly frustrating when I want to reach Heimstern La-umlat-ufer's User/Talk/Contributions page... but at the same time, I don't exactly do that very frequently. Does anyone really believe we'll ever have a non-troll "Heimstern La-no-umlat-ufer" at any point? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/Heimstern_Laufer|Already have]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::He said "non-troll". Any user who joined with a name similar to Heimi's would be advised to change names anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Umm, Heimy, those are all troll edits. I agree that redirects of this type can be useful, voting '''yes'''... oh wait, this isn't a STUFF debate... [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would support a policy where we allow ''one'' redirect if a username has non-English characters in the name (or something that can't be typed easily into a URL, like a question mark). Similarly, if a user has a widely-known nickname, the user could use the redirect for that purpose (for example, I would expect to be allowed to redirect "User:Dot com" to my page). (Case-sensitive redirects will very soon be unnecessary, so that should not be a concern here.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Dot com, what if someone has an odd char in their name AND a widely known nick? then what? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm wondering if we really do need those redirects, or if this can easily be handled by the search function. Interestingly, Heimi [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=heimstern&searchx=Search can be found] without using an umlaut, while Dot com [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=dot+com&searchx=Search can't be found] without "It's". Maybe we should have a look at the search algorithm to take care of these things automatically. It would save us a lot of hassle instead of debating which redirects are allowed and who exactly is a widely know user.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::DeFender: Then that user would have to decide which is more important. I think one should be the limit, with restrictions similar to the ones on [[HRWiki:Signature]], lest someone go crazy and create 20 redirects. Incidentally, a lot of users have a redirect from a username change, and we have quietly allowed those to exist. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== To be reorganized ==

I've thought for a while that the to be deleted/merged/redirected/moved/etc. templates, categories, and discussions have been needlessly fractured. Essentially, all of those templates and categories seek to answer just one question: whether any particular content should exist as its own article (or at all) on the wiki. On top of that, a lot of the time a discussion that starts out toward deletion suddenly swings toward merge (or vice versa), and tagging borderline articles to raise awareness of their existence tends to cause their creators (who are often new users) to panic. I therefore think we need to combine all of these functions into one process, and at the same shift the emphasis from ''deletion'' to ''discussion''.

'''Let me outline my master plan:'''
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
A. Drop my grapes.
B. Redirect <code>{{t|tobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|talktobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|merge}}</code>, <code>{{t|mergetalk}}</code>, <code>{{t|redirect}}</code>, and <code>{{t|move}}</code> all to one new, over-arching template: <code>'''{{t|tobediscussed}}'''</code> (which will have the benefit of still being able to be abbreviated <code>{{t|tbd}}</code>).
C. Restructure the catgories:</div>

|
HRWiki Maintenance
| |___...
|
Page Maintenance
| |
______________| |______________
| |
| |
Pages for Discussion Pages for Speedy Deletion
| | |
| |________ |
Articles for Discussion | (pages tagged with <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>)
| |
| |
(articles/talk) (pages/talk in other namespaces)
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
D. Revert [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]] so that it's just instructions to sysops on when is the correct time to delete a page.
E. Move the content that was just removed from the deletion policy and create [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines]]. (The guidelines on the current deletion policy are primarily about what to ''keep'', rather than remove.)
F. Uncover that cheat!</div>
I believe these suggestions will help make us a happier, more efficient wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:Great system! I'll take it! I'll take twelve! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well... a tad confusing, but it seems good (from what I understand). I'm all for it. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 23:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I like it! When it's implemented, it'll be so much simpler than what we have now.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Sounds great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::WERE A DIAPER! I'm convinced — it's a good idea. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:Re (B), what of {{t|mergefrom}}? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::I think that one would just disappear entirely. {{tl|tobediscussed}} purposefully doesn't indicate whether an article has been proposed to be merged since article merit discussions often shift between merging and deleting. Since we don't specify ahead of time what the proposed action for an article is, we wouldn't put a template on the page that the article in question might be merged with. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see any reason for <nowiki>{{mergefrom}}</nowiki> to go anywhere. If there's a strong case for merging, it could still come in handy to draw attention to the discussion at the other end. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::That's a good point. I'd like to mention that the mergefrom template should also follow a similar style now to tobediscussed. BTW the templates look great! Now to delete... er discuss! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
So based on {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AStux%2Fsandbox&diff=444089&oldid=433357 this test}} I've compiled what I beleive should be the changes in categories that would be necessary. The following 4 categories are new:

[[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] | [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]].

The existing categories, along with my suggested moves/actions are as follows:
*[[:Category:Talk to be deleted|Talk to be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] (maybe)
*[[:Category:To be deleted|To be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be merged|To be merged]] -> [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be redirected|To be redirected]] (removed or moved to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]])
Hmmmm. That's about it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nah, those all (except ttbd) pretty much need to go to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion]]. I've taken care of 'em. This has all now been implemented, for the most part. There will naturally be an adjustment period as we get used to it, and we may find some things we need to tweak (some of the category descriptions could be looked at, for example), but the basic structure and functionality should be fully in place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

==Homsar Main Page==
(This discussion was originally on the sandbox and refers to [[User:DeFender1031/Homsar Main Page|this]])

I think we should make this an easter egg reached from the real main page somehow... anyone think it's a good/funny idea? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, that would be AWESOME. But, for that we need a sysop, a hidden link, and this to be a subpage. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::And by the way, other people are trying to get actual WORK done. (What? ME? Work? No) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't touch my severance package.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You could post it in the [[HRFWiki:|fanstuff]] wiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::What did Loafing mean? Nevermind. That was a "no". {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Errm, who touched your severence package? ArE wE jUsT tHrOwInG iT dOwN tHe ToIlEt At ThIs PoInT? --[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Super_Martyo_Brother http://www.hrwiki.org/images/9/9b/Mario2.GIF] [[User:Super Martyo Brother|sUpEr MaRtYo]] [[User talk:Super Martyo Brother|BoInG!]] 23:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. It would be kinda hard to post this on the Fanstuff Wiki.
:::::::It's a Homsar quote from [[Georgia_Tech#Part_II:_Q_.26_A]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could go on that baleeted nonsense page that one user made. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::yeah, but it'd be REALLY cool on the main page [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I know that and I'd like that too, but Loafing said not to touch his severance package. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yeah, he was joking:
<blockquote>
<Loaf|uni> personally, i like the idea. but also note my original edit summary 
<DeFender1031> you don't think DC will go for it? 
<Loaf|uni> i don't think so 
<DeFender1031> aww 
<Loaf|uni> and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either 
<DeFender1031> that guy's too serious all the time 
<Loaf|uni> it would have been a perfect main page for april fools, though 
<DeFender1031> true 
<DeFender1031> but 
<DeFender1031> listen, it's a very characteristic thing to do 
<DeFender1031> homsar is always "the secwet guy" 
<DeFender1031> why not have a homsar main page? 
</blockquote>
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Note how I said "and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, you like the idea but aren't sure if it's a good one... that makes perfect sense. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::If Dot com agreed to it,Loafing, would you? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't like where this is going. a) Dot Com is not the Oscar the Grouch of the wiki b) I do have my own opinion about things.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't mean for it to really sound like that. I have messed up what I have meant to say on this wiki several thymes. Plus I didn't expect you to notice that comment. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let me outline my master plan. I will A) Drop my grapes, b) Start a petition to put this on the Main Page as an Easter Egg, and c) If that doesn't work, post a link to a revision with this on it to Venusy, and ask him to please post this on his [[User:Venusy/April Fool's Jokes and Other Baleeted Nonsense|thingy-ma-bobber's]] page. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:We don't have "petitions" on the wiki. If someone comes up with an idea, we discuss it and see if we can form a consensus. It's much more productive this way.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::I agree — reformatting those votes into comments would probably be better. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Fine. I '''agree''' with this idea. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I firmly disagree with the idea. This encyclopedia does not need a "joke" main page for any reason at all; ideas like this might be more well received at HRFWiki or possibly even the Forum, as a recommendation. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's a clever idea (props to Super Martyo Brother and others who worked on this). To pull it off, though, I think it's got to be more than funny — it's got to be ''laugh-out-loud hilarious''. I'm just not sure if we're going to be able to refine it to that point (at least, I know ''I'm'' not funny enough to make it that good). So, I like the idea, but I currently disagree with pursuing it further. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Here's my two cents: we are a knowledge base first, not a playground. While we have some fun, it's all directed in a way that supports our main mission: to faithfully record TBC's creation. If you want to be creative yourselves, the Fanstuff Wiki is an excellent place for that. I don't see an appropriate purpose in having a goofy main page as an option in a knowledge-base wiki. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I am '''neutral'''. I think it would be cool to have this maybe as a subpage, but for now, no secret links on the main page. Also, yes, this wiki is a knowledge base and not a playground, and anyone who wants to create stuff like this should either go to the fanstuff wiki or do it in the sandbox, have it on a subpage, etc... You guys who are sugesting that we take this to the fanstuff wiki, It would be mecca-hard to do (at least while still keeping the links). --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. Trey, if I get a picture of Homsar carved into an actual watermelon, will it have achieved laugh-your-head-off status?
:::::::WHAT?! You were the first name on the petition, back before they removed it. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Links on the fanstuff are not that hard. Just append '''HRWiki:''' to each link and voilà! Problem is of course all links will be light blue. But that's something a little <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> magic can't fix! Heck, even a nice little template can be used to make it easy to make the links look just as they would here! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Since the petition got deleted i forgot to post that I '''agree'''
::::::::::Okay, it is now officially on the [[HRFWiki:Homsar Shunner Wiki Main Page|fanstuff wiki]]. Now quit buggin' me. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== Automatic links for new users ==

:''This discussion is continued from [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 6#Welcome Messages|here]].''
Welcoming of users [[HRWiki talk:User space#Welcomed users subpages|has been brought up again]], and I'd like to revisit the idea of automatic links to our standards, policies, and help pages on the user talk page of new users. This would ''not'' be intended to take the place of a personal welcome from a wiki member. The so-called welcome that most users get now is just a list of links anyway, and these links are posted immediately upon registration, so why don't we go ahead and completely automate the process. Then, after a brief amount of time has passed (so that it doesn't look automatic), or after a few edits by the user, an established user can extend a real, personal welcome. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think this is a great idea! I don't like the way welcoming happens right now. Sure, some of the welcoming templates are cute, but it's still pretty impersonal from the point of view of the new user. I think it would be nice if the welcoming templates/system had personalization based on the ''new user'' rather than based on the ''welcomer'', if that makes any sense -- instead of spending a lot of time creating a template that fits your personality, think of a friendly comment about the user's first edits or their username. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I '''support''' this idea — up till yesterday, I opposed it on the grounds that it would be less personal to have an automatic welcome. However, as Dot com and H*C have pointed out above, it is actually ''more'' personal because it encourages a "real" welcome based on a new user's edits or userpage info. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:Me likey, me likey! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I don't do a whole lot of welcoming... In fact, I only did it once, to make sure my friend got a good welcome (i.e. something less distracting, and more useful). But then, that's why I think my point's valid. I like this idea as well. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:It's a good idea, but how would it be implemented? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Implementation, in my opinion, should be fully automated and added, with scripting, to a user's talk once he or she is auto-confirmed and has not been blocked. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::A few things:
:::#I do want to reiterate something from Abdi's previous post in the original post that struck me as really important: ''But I feel strongly that as long as initial contact can be human, and can be '''perceptibly''' human, that's preferable.'' (Emphasis added.) We must still keep in mind that this must be perceived as more or just as human as the status quo. Otherwise we'll lose a little something of our hospitality.
:::#It's likely that welcoming committee participation will drop once this is implemented. That is, more people will rely on the auto-welcoming system, no matter what.
:::#Keep in mind that even with our current system, where templated messages are quickly removed/ignored, oftentimes the new users will still go to the people who welcomed them for questions/advice. It's this ''first contact'' that can prove to be a lasting one. If it's electronic that might lose a little something. Might as well just plop it in their page right away as a "talk default" or send them an email with that information. Then a real person can leave a human message.
:::I have personally kept away from joining the welcoming committee because I didn't want to subscribe myself to a "welcoming quota" or template. But the information provided does serve a purpose. Instead I prefer to drop an informal "hello" here and there to certain editors. But that's just my style. Yes the current system is broken, and the autowelcome is a good idea but whose consequences we must evaluate. I think instead of providing a technical solution, we should ''also'' provide a "procedural" solution by changing the way the welcoming comittee does its work. (Be it via training or whatever). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

To address your points:
# There will still be human contact. The welcoming templates as they stand barely qualify as human contact, because it simply involves heading to a new user's page and typing <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki> or whatever. A personalized greeting from a user that doesn't rely on a template qualifies as more constructive human content, IMO. Let the machine provide the links, let the human provide specific help/comments.
# I really don't think welcoming committee participation will drop. People are constantly itching for things to do on the wiki, and changing the requirements to providing a personal comment rather than a template would probably not decrease participation at all. If someone drops out because they're too lazy to write a comment instead of just dropping a template, then that's fine by me.
# I've actually been concerned in the past that our welcoming templates are a little too...overwhelming, maybe? I know if I were new to the wiki, did an edit, and immediately had a user provide me with Help and Standards links (even in a friendly manner), I would wonder what I did wrong. If they are provided by a machine (and the message is labelled as automatic), then the user still gets the useful links without feeling that they're being corrected, and the welcoming user can provide an actual positive or relevent comment, like "Grood jorb!" {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:Ms. Coder, I find your arguments very sound and convincing. :) With the consensus seeming to reach that this is a good idea, I then have <s>two</s> three more issues to raise:
:#What kind of content should this auto-template contain?
:#At what specific period should it be posted? (Immediately during account creation? After first edit? After first 3 Mainspace edits? After the first 5 Mainspace edit, 1 user edit, 3 user talk edits, and a root canal?)
:#What of the old welcoming committee? What welcoming instructions should be posted? "Scrap all your welcome templates. Make sure you only post original messages on welcomed users page. Here's a list of suggested topics of discussion:"
:This should probably stem 3 separate discussions in the Welcoming committee talk page (I think) if the plan is put forth in motion. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, it should be three separate discussions, but since I'm lazy, I'll reply to it all at once! ;)
::#The welcoming committee page has a sample template which could form the basis for an automated template. It should definately have some indication that it's automated, so the user doesn't wonder who gave them the message.
::#That is really tricky, but my initial reaction is in favor of "after first edit." They should be given the helpful links before they do too much editing. Doing it upon account creation might also be okay...
::#I don't think you need to scrap welcome templates. Maybe scrap part of the text inside them -- replace the stuff the automated template provides with a "{{{1}}}", and use the {{{1}}} to post a personalized message, for instance. I'm not sure about "only post original messages," that seems a little totalitarian maybe, but suggested topics of discussion would be a great idea. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::<ol start="2"><li>It would probably need to be to be immediately upon account creation. It depends on some system event to trigger it, and the one that would involve the least amount of hassle logistically would be the new-user function. Isn't that the purpose of the automatic links, anyway? To be there right away for the new user to read? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
::::<ol start="2"><li>Yeah! That makes the most sense, I'm all for that. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
:::::Agreed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yup. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Some thoughts. First, let's not think of this as "auto-welcoming" - it is NOT welcoming, as that's something a person does. This is the providing of essential links to a new user. I'm all for that. Second, I'm all in favor of welcomes being less scripted and more personal. Currently, a welcome is the mindless substing of a template on a page, and that's hardly a welcome at all. So I think I '''support''' this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Right, this isn't welcoming (I've tried to get away from the term autowelcome). To move forward, we need content for [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]) and [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Just a little Devil's advocate here...What's wrong with the old system. I for one enjoy welcoming new users in [[User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/welcome|my own way]]. What is the problem that needs fixing? Why go through the effort of making an automated process? Are there users that are not getting welcome. Are people unhappy with the welcome that they get? What does automation offer that current system does not? I don't think it is a good thing to do just because we have the capability to do it. I think an examination of our object is critical here. What do want out of this that we don't have right now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 02:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let's see, I hope I can respond adequately:
:::*By forcing the "auto-help-links" we take away the "thumb-twitching" response of some editors to "beat others" to welcoming and increase their "welcome count" which apparently results in just slapping an Air Force sticker ... er slapping a welcome template in a talk page. So people ''do'' get welcomed, but the impression is that this is still too impersonal.
:::*With the "auto-help-links" welcomers can only now type in a real welcome message, and we can make it absolutely clear that we want it to be a welcome message hopefully aimed more at characteristics of the new user (of which we admittedly known nothing about then) than the welcomer (though portraying the welcomer's personality would be a good thing).
:::*(We also have less of a chance of running into minor misunderstandings between welcomers and welcomed users that have occurred in the past.)
:::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::IRF, you'll still be able to welcome in exactly the same way you're welcoming now, except that the "helpful links" stuff will be taken care of by the automated system (so you can take it out of your template) and we'll be encouraging users to leave personal notes when they welcome rather than just <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki>, which it looks like you already do, so you're good to go. Basically, we want to 1. Make sure all users get the helpful links; 2. By automating the boring/generic part of the welcome, encouraging more personally helpful tips and comments in the welcome; 3. Reduce competition for how many people you have welcomed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think someone's been programming in C a little too long ;). You mean <code><nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki></code> right Homestar Coder? :) And yes, hopefully the welcoming competition would die down. Heck, we can even encourage people so that new users can be welcomed by more than one user! As it stands, generally one person leaves a welcome template, and that's it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I code in Java, so I'm not sure where that substr came from. Insanity perhaps ;) And yeah, now that welcoming won't require a huge template with lots of links, we could certainly have new users welcomed by more than one user. That would be another improvement. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this is ready to go live. What do you think? [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]); [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:I like it. At first, I was unsure about automatic welcomes, but now I'm convinced. Nice jorb on the text, Dot com.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, but remember, this isn't a welcome. The bot will provide links and guidance, but we still require people to actually make each new member feel welcome. That's not any less imposrtant - in fact, it's as important as ever. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes. That's actually why I'm convinced now. It'll just take me a while to not call it a an automatic welcome ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As a freshly welcomed user, I feel that I might (at least theoretically) provide some insight in this respect. My initial welcome was nice, but I unintentionally baleeted my welcomer’s welcome template and was mistaken as a possible vandal. After all was said and done, the users that defended me and generally chatted me up made me feel comfortable and at home. [[trey56]] and [[loafing]] were especially nice to me, and I found that the userpages of these and other megahuge users helped me see what the whole community was about. The links were moderately helpful at best. So until next week, you keep welcoming me, and I’ll keep deleting your templates. I mean, thanking you. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 03:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, this is enabled. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

=== New Welcome format ===
So now that we have the auto-information-link tool up and running, is being [[Special:Log/newusers|welcomed]] any more? I peeked at a few random users in that list that have created the accounts for more than a day, and even though most have no contributions, no one has tried to break the ice (even if these were sock-puppets-to-be) by leaving a little note. It's all automatic now. Most of those with blue links in their user pages have been welcomed (by sysops mostly) but some with red link pages and even those with {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Floppy_Disk_Container&diff=prev&oldid=456204 creative}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Kintu-li&diff=456323&oldid=456160 edits}} have been somewhat ignored. So what will the new procedure be? Ignore new registrations until they make edits? Should we leave notes even if the accounts may seem dormant? Also, the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee]] page has not been updated with the new information. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== About this wiki page ==

After posting {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKintu-li&diff=456323&oldid=456160 this note}} I realized that there really is no page explicitly describing the ''scope'' of this project. That is, although there is lots of [[Help:Contents|technical information]] available, I couldn't find anything that described what ''kind'' of information this wiki is gathering and outlining what the substance of those edits should be. As it stands it's more of a trial-and-revert thing. Which isn't bad, but it would be nice to have something "official" to point to people. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:You mean like a mission statement or something like that? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== An idea! ==

I think that we hould have some little feature then enables regular, non-sysop users to block people. That way, if Willy on Wheels, or the NSMC vandal comes back, we don't just have thirty-some people doing all the blocking, and we can stop the attack in progress faster. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I know I'm not a sysop!

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== Featured mark? ==

Shouldn't we have something on a page that tells you it is/was a featured article (like the star on [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], or the alternate "Featured" logo on [http://www.uncyclopedia.org Uncyclopedia])? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

:On the talk page of every featured article there is the {{tl|featuredarticle}} template. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, because I didn't see one on [[Strong Mad]]. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:::It's on [[Talk:Strong Mad]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::::I think that The Mu's idea is good. It would give a quick indication of a featured article. I think something like Wikipedia's bronze star (see [[Wikipedia:Automatic number plate recognition]] for an example) would be good. It's non-instrusive and informative. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Take a look at {{tl|featuredicon}}... the results of me experimenting with the Wikipedia template... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with marking our articles as featured, especially in the main namespace, not because the star isn't clever—it's plenty clever—but because we are so cavalier about which articles we choose. I am not saying that we should choose articles differently. We have a style of choosing that works for us. What I ''am'' saying is that it doesn't lend itself to permanent recognition. For example, today's featured article is the [[TV Time Toons Menu]], which is interesting, but hardly an example of "one of the best articles produced by the Homestar Runner community." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:I concur. Our method of choosing articles has little to do with whether or not they're among our finest articles. Rather, we have certain sequences to follow (such as featuring all the main characters) and we like to stick in other things that are major sections of or toons on the H*R.com itself. I don't think we should use that star. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 13:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:True... I thought the same thing when {{tl|featuredarticle}} was being put on talk pages... we're not Wikipedia, which can have a new FA every day and still only pick the cream of the crop... we're limited by the number of articles we have. Looking back, the majority of the FA's are about an interesting aspect of H*R, rather than a necessarily good page on HRWiki (though the former can help with the latter, if only because it directs more eyes to the page). This is kinda why I didn't start putting {{tl|featuredicon}} on pages... {{User:Phlip/sig}}

::I have the same problem with {{tl|featuredarticle}} on talk pages, but there's just not ever been a good time to bring it up. At the very least, that template needs to be reworded. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Agree and agree. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::The verbiage of {{tl|featuredarticle}} was mentioned during the [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection/General Discussion#Featured Template]] and [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 2#Daily Features]] discussions, but never addressed. I think it could be reworded. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::And [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:featuredarticle&curid=11400&diff=346353&oldid=217646 the recent change] looks great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:16, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::(Referring to the link Tom just posted) I changed the image and reworded the template. In both cases I tried to capture the essence of our selection process. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I also find that the new template better exemplifies our process of choosing featured articles. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::::When I first made it, I just copied from Wikipedia. But now it realy have that HRWiki feel to it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I still like the star better. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Without star, nothin'. The one big reason to place a badge in the upper-right corner of each featured article, regardless of what anyone might say, is that otherwise, it looks like nobody on the wiki knows how. You don't want that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
:I disagree. The fact that someone might think we lack wiki savvy is no reason to wield it in ways we do not need. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
::With the star, people can see that this is a featured article without goin' to the talk page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, but it's not all that important to know if something's a featured article... as discussed above, if an article is featured it says more about the ''topic'' than it does about the article itself. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::::But we gotta look ''legit'', man! Even if the featured articles aren't anything to write home about, that doesn't mean a badge isn't in order. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

The reason Wikipedia has stars is because there are tons and tons of pages about all sorts of things, and tons of vandals, and the pages can't be monitored and worked on by the entire community, so when one article is very good it deserves a marking. This isn't how we do it here, and because it's a smaller space based on one thing, every page is about on the same level of quality. I'm fine with the tag on the talk page. {{User:Salty/sig}} 23:37, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:That reasoning is still confusing, just like the reasoning for calling the Fhqwhgads Robot "Visor Robot" back then. No offense, but why not just do it? Are you doing this for yourself or the user, anyway? Most regular users wouldn't waste their time on talk pages, because if you're not a member of the community, it's irrelevant (I know I don't look at talk pages to wikis I don't contribute to). Besides, we could make a star like the one on Homestar's shirt. That would be cute and clever. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

::But it's also irrelevant to a casual reader which pages are featured and which aren't. To a casual reader, knowing which pages have been featured gives ''no'' information about the topic, or the quality of the page – ''all'' it says is that we think the topic is interesting. This is unlike Wikipedia where a featured star means that ''the article is high quality'', which is useful information for researchers using Wikipedia as a source... but it carries no such weight here. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Whatever. I still think we need one. Not having one just makes the wiki look like a n00b community. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
::::Putting stars just for stars' sake is making us look like a n00b community. And the wiki would eventually look like Strong Bad's webpage.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

::My opinion is that doing what need not be done is a hopeless waste of time. Also, why would the reader care that we think this or that is important? Don't talk down to them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:56, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

==IRC scheduled chats==

I propose that we put the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&oldid=179699 scheduled chat notice] back in the sitenotice, as it was up until November, at which point it was apparently taken down due to spamming issues. However, with very few outright spamming attacks, the most recent being of a recently blocked user, who was subsequently banned without issue, the channel has no reason not to be advertised. In fact, it has reason for ''to'' be advertised, what with the unsatisfyingly low average user count. I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets nostalgic about those friendly Mondays and Fridays. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:I'm up for putting the notice up every now and then. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Sysop Nominations ==

Is there an open sysop nomination page? Just wondering. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:22, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, we only add sysops when we think that we need them. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::Also see [[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|here]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:09, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Question From a Sysop Wannabe ==

:Dear Sysops,
::How would you get to be a sysop? I was also wondering if anyone could help me learn html (Okay, I'll learn HTML on my own....). Any help?? Please??

::::Sysop Wannabe,
:::{{User: Unme93/sig}}
::[[HRWiki:FAQ#How do I become an admin or sysop?|Read this.]] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Audio Articles ==
While reading [[Swears]] out loud with a very bad English accent for my own weird amusment, I had an idea: How about we have audio versions (.ogg) of featured articles? Wikipedia have those and I think we should also. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:Although this would certainly be entertaining, I question the practicality of having audio versions of our articles. What is Wikipedia's reason for having them? Accessibility? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::Not really accessibility, but that's still a minor reason. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia#Benefits]] for the full list. I don't think it would work too well for us though, as we have significantly less content that it could be done with and those articles change quite a bit. But hey, if you want to record it for kicks and see how many laughs you get, it might be funny. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:::You know what? I'll do it. I'll read [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] and upload the ogg to the wiki, use it, delete it, it's up to you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, crap. The microphone part of my audio card is busted, so I can't record anything for a while. Anyone else wants to do it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Eh, I'll do it. A bonus for those who don't join our [[Wikipedia:Skype|Skype]] calls. I'm afraid I don't have the means to convert it to vorbis, though. Perhaps someone can change it later. I'll start tomorrow. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::::::If you want, you can send me the file in any format you'd like and I'll turn it to .ogg {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Try [http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Audacity]. It's free and has the capability to export as Ogg Vorbis. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::::That's what I was going to use. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Oop. I was talking to Lapper. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:I vote [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] to do the talking. :) (Seriously, if you haven't heard his voice, make it your goal to do so. It's awesome.) {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I completely and utterly agree! Someone who is not a ruler of a variation of thieves

:::Why, thank you kind annony who is in no way not me or my computer obsessed sister. I wouldn't mind doing it. My voice does kick butt! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Rogue, you're completely insane ''and'' obsessed with your own voice. Which, by the way, can't actually be "handome". I'm sure your sister had a fun time typing into the computer-box, as well. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, you guys. The first spoken article is online [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=360343]. It's not quite a featured article, but an... erm.. important part of the wiki nonetheless. Also, notice the new [[Template:Spoken_article_entry|template]] that goes on the description of the media file. We should set up a page, describing how to create and label spoken articles. And we might want to put something in place for claiming an article. Phlip nearly recorded [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]], not knowing that Lapper had already done that.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Now, I'm going to have to interject on that one. [[Homestar Runner (body of work)]] is actually first, in that (a) it's an article, and (b) the only reason it hasn't been uploaded yet is a restriction on server upload size. It should be done by this afternoon. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::For the actual cartoons, we could capture the audio and then record the actions in between pauses. And Loafing, your voice sounds funny. :-P ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:::It seems E.L. Cool came up with two ideas at the same time; one of them flourishing, and one of them being quickly forgotten. I guess this project may have to wait for its turn. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Hi, the new subtitles project doesn't mean this one have to stop. If my sound card wasn't busted then we would already have the first spoken article. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

How would one get an ogg player? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

:Try [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Media_help|this page]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I should probably get around to uploading this. It's been sitting around in my Documents folder for like two months now. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Project page: '''[[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]]'''.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Don't get us mixed up ==

Just so no one gets confused, I thought I'd explicitly mention that I'm setting up an account for my wife, Janene. She has volunteered to help handle some of the proprietor responsibilities around here like updating the ledger and activating forum accounts when we receive COPPA forms. I don't anticipate her doing much more than that, but in order for her to do these things I have granted her the sysop and proprietor roles here on the wiki and will grant her administrative privileges on the forum when I set her up over there. Her username is [[User:JaneneDay|JaneneDay]], and I'm sure she would appreciate a warm welcome, which I have no doubt will happen mere seconds after I post this. In fact, someone may notice her new account and welcome her ''before'' I've even posted this. You guys are always on the ball. Oh, and sorry I haven't been around much. I have more time on my hands now and would like to get more involved again, but I'd also like to get the Homestar Runner Network off the ground, so I may end up using my time over there. At any rate, I'm starting to miss all you crazy people. Cheers! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 01:34, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:It'll be great to have such a well-known new user on HRWiki, and I'm proud to have made such a welcome. I'm sure Janene (or JaneneDay) will be warmly regarded. We miss you, too, Joey. — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

::Now we can truly say that the HRWiki is a family-run business. :-D ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Hi Joey. Hi Janene. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:I've now removed Janene from the sysop group. The permissions for the proprietor role have been modified so that she has exactly the access she needs to do the paperwork she'll be doing without any additional privileges she doesn't need. You should still welcome her, though, of course. ;) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Subtitles ==

Some of us have started working on subtitling Homestar Runner Flash cartoons to make them accessible to a wider audience. I would like to know what the HRWiki folks think about this. Should this be a part of the knowledge base wiki? Should it be separate? Would you help? The subtitles are based on the transcripts from the wiki, so there is a strong connection already. The [http://hstarsubs.awardspace.com/ subtitles project] is still beta, but it should work with Firefox and Internet Explorer. Most subtitles have been donated by Phlip from an older project, and I and Elcool have done the international ones. Check it out and let us know.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: I personally know one person who'd be interested in that... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:19, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::I strongly support having some way to intergrate the subtitles files into the wiki. As a non-native speaker sometimes I need to go over the wiki transcript just to see what a word or two means. This way , it's already inside the toon window itself. Also, we could open the door for people with hearing problems who still want experiance Homestar Runner like the rest of us. Some flash artists like Weeble from Weeble and Bob and the people behind Too Much Spare Time Animation have already added subtitles to some of their toons. So If TBC aren't going to do it themselvs, we are here for them. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
: The .xml file for Exp Film's Commentary doesn't work. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::Cheers, fixed the link. Also, listening to the commentary is currently not possible anyway, because of Flash security measures :-/ And I forgot to upload the experiment film subs, will have to wait until I'm back home.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::We need this in the [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]], pronto. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 02:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I showed it to the person I previously alluded. The biggest reason I got into H*R in the first place was because it allowed me to share the gift of Homestar with this person, who cannot hear. She says she likes the subtitled stuff better than the Wiki. "But no offense." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::Seriously, you just made my day :-D {{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Deaf watchers, eh? I'd assume ''captions'', as opposed to ''subtitles'' would be more important then, yes? (For the uninitiated: subtitles transcribe the words, captions transcribe all the sound effects too.) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Take 'em as they come. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:Okay, let's just say, hypothetically, I wanted to make one of these. How would I get the frame numbers to start/stop each line on? And how would I test it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::We haven't quite worked out the standards for subtitles/captions yet, so the format may change a little. But if you want to try it now, then here's how you do it: You need Phlip's Firefox [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Greasemonkey script]]. This will give you a seek bar for Flash toons from Homestarrunner.com. It also displays the current frame number. Then you grab one of the XML files from the subtitle site, scoop it empty, and use it as a skeleton. You probably also want to copy the text of the transcript into this file and split it up into short sections or sentences that you want to display as one title. Then use the seekbar to find the first and last frame numbers for each of the sections. It gets easy after you've done it once or twice. And you get to know the toon pretty well. Also note that each character has his or her own colour code. I'll put a page online soon with some more detailed hints, and I'll come up with a way of testing the titles. — I'm still not sure where to put the page with instructions. Do people believe this should be an HRWiki project, or should it be separate? {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Aside from the frame numbers, I'd pretty much figured that all out. I have the beginnings of a [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] .xml file, but without frame numbers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Sound promising :-) I'll come up with a test page soon(ish). And you've heard that before, but... you should really be on IRC ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never successfully managed to join IRC when a useful conversation is taking place. Plus, I have issues getting to it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Alright you guys, I finished the .XML file for Cool Tapes. [[User:The Mu/subtitleCoolThings|Ding!]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 03:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Is there a talk page specifically for this project? I thought of some things to discuss, but we'd flood Da Basement. I think there should be some sort of central Wiki page for this project, even if it's in a User space. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
: I'm not in the mood for IRC right now, but I figured I'd give an update. I have all of the text in my .xml file. I do not, however, have any frame numbers past the three Coach Z/Pom Pom scenarios. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::Qermaq: Asked and ye shall [[HRWiki:Subtitles|recieve]]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

==Expanding the gamut of styles==
'''Discussion moved to [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]].'''

== Preserve birthday card as part of the history ==

I think Invisible Robot Fish did an outstanding job on Matt's [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish#The_Finished_Product|birthday card]]. Above and beyond the call of duty here. The finished product is a sight to behold. As such, I think it and the work that went into it should have a page and a link in the history, like, say, [[HRWiki:Matt's 2006 birthday card]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Seconded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:Third'd!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Four! uhh... d'd.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Absolutely! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Somehow I think we might do something like this again. Do we want to create a new page for each birthday card type thing, or should we put them all on one page?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

:I say, let's cross that bridge when we come to it; it might be nice to take it in a little bit of a different direction next year (not necessarily [[:Image:sbemail28.PNG|gluing Matt's hands to his butt]], but maybe something other than another card). Assuming this does become a yearly thing, then we probably will want to find a way to organize whatever greetings we choose to do... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
::Gluing his hands to his butt sure got my vote! Oh wait, he can't make toons then. Scrap that!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh Wow, I had overlooked this section of Da Basement. I'm glad that you guys appreciated my work. I feel so...imortalized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Should we save the external images of people's sigs just incase they are deleted on that person's personal external page? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Sure. We can always save a sig as handsome as mine for later. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

== Deletion Policy ==

As discussed on [[Talk:Homestar's Fashion Sense]], I feel the need for a deletion policy. We don't have one, and articles such as [[Marshie's Mother]] and [[jumbo/LARGE]] seem to pop up at every new email or toon (don't call me a hypocrite because I created that last one). They are short, one-toon-specific, and quite useless. The talk pages of these articles are usually filled with debate over whether to keep them or not, but it's not very organized and it's hard to tell when to pull the plug on an article. What I'm suggesting is a STUFF-like template that can be pulled out in situations like these so that these mini-articles may be dealt with faster. Thoughts? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 19:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:First, I feel that formally voting on things should be reserved as a last resort. Perhaps more important than a formal process would be some guidelines as to what definitely merits a page and what definitely does not. Forming such a policy would serve the dual purpose of giving sysops an easier decision in whether a page should be deleted, as well as inform new page creators of what will not be accepted. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Policy, guidelines, you know what I mean. But seriously, guidelines is a better idea. That way, it will serve the purpose I'm hoping to get across and be accessable ''before'' somebody creates one of those articles! Cool. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::We ''do'' have a deletion policy, which is clearly laid out at [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]], stating in part "Pages clearly unrelated to Homestar Runner [should be deleted]", and otherwise should be voted upon for deletion if clearly not up to snuff. One-time articles are clearly a part of this wiki, whether we like it or not. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Well, non-H*R makes for pretty clear deletion material. What's sometimes dicier is whether something should get its ''own'' page or be part of a larger one. And yes, I think laying out a little more formally where we stand would be good—but it would also be difficult. Some time ago, like a year or summat, there was a big "merge vs. delete" craze. Personally, I really, really have mixed feelings. On the one hand, [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|wiki is not paper]], so there's no functional reason not to have a page for every little doo-dad. On the other hand, I always lament the idea of there being pages that no one would ever find without searching specifically for them. Plus it gets more unwieldy: more pages to patrol and more likelihood that substandard wikiwriting could slip past unnoticed; also, if the doo-dad shows up again later, it can be hard to remember that its page existed and update it. Like I say... mixed feelings. Maybe a starting point would be to say that a page should ''not'' exist if it ''doesn't'' offer a unique opportunity to expound on its topic in ways that aren't possible in other pages. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::''edit conned'' That deletion policy gives us nothing when we try to figure out if [[Marshie's Mother]], [[jumbo/LARGE]], [[Coach Z Ale]], [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]], [[Marzipan's Purse]], and [[The Poopsmith's Shovel]] are worthy articles. The final decisions from the process are mostly good (the majority can't go wrong, right??), but it's highly irregular and not all articles are treated fairly. The fact that everyone has said that we need a deletion policy for so long, yet nobody has done it, shows how difficult it is to figure some guidelines out. The "keep" threshold is always different for an article about a character, a pseudocharacter, a product, a magazine, a foodstuff, an inside joke, an electronic item, a clothing item, a fictional band, a TV show, a movie, a book, or a computer program, and everybody has a different idea on where the threshold should be. There are also those ambiguous factors of how many appearances there are and how important the item was in the toon. Obviously the current deletion policy is not cut out for helping us decide these things. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Therefore, we should stop fidgeting around and figure something out. Let's lay out some good guidelines for all to use, because the current deletion policy isn't cutting it. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::I believe the current unwritten rule regarding such things as running gags is a three use rule. Once isn't noteworthy, twice is a Fun Fact, and thrice usually warrants a page. This doesn't really clarify such instances as the various items however, nor does it work for characters, which usually get a page if they are seen, and especially if they are part of a group of established characters (Such as the recent creation of the [[Old-Timey Alien]] page, and to a more questionable extent, [[Don Knotts]]). However I do not belive these rules are written in stone anywhere, and I think it would be difficult to do so, since the fact is the lines between keep and delete are usually grey ones, it's rarely a case of black and white. In my opinion I think the status quo is working relatively well, though I'm rarely the first to suggest radical change. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I don't think we are be aiming for a radical change. We just want to figure down some guidelines about what a certain type of article should be judged upon. For instance, TBird's first sentence about running gags is something that people already agree on, so we may as well write that down in the Deletion Policy while we're thinking about it. (*Waits for someone to jump at the opportunity*) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even that rule, however, is not without it's loopholes. Instances such as "Homestar Running up a hill", though perhaps having happened three or more times, doesn't really warrant a page of its own, which is where the majority vote usually comes in. What's to say that doesn't warrant a page, whereas "Bubs Running", "Homsar's Walking Noise", or Marzipan Playing a Flute" might? Granted, that falls more in the question of "what is a running gag", rather than "when does a running gag get its own page", but it all falls under the larger banner of "when does a page get deleted or not?", which as I stated before isn't really an easy policy to nail down in writing. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::What is a running gag (and to a lesser extant an inside joke) is being discussed in [[HRWiki:RG]], although it's dormant at the moment. Here are some of ''my'' personal guidelines on whether to delete a page or not:
:::::::::#On supposed running gags page - Need at least three appearances on canon Homestar Runner toons and is spacial in some way to the Homestar Runner world in contrast to the real world.
:::::::::#On general items, actions or animals that does not relate to one another such as [[Pizza]] or [[Explosions]] - Need at least five to ten appearance (depending how general or common it is in the real world) on canon Homestar Runner toons.
:::::::::#On item pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as long as it played some sort of role in the plot and not just a background item. Any item that is part of a character's outfit (Coach Z's Z, The Poopsmith's Shovel) does not merit a page and could be integrated into that character's biography page.
:::::::::#On character pages - Need only one appearance on canon Homestar Runner toons, as not as it is not a minor variation on one of the already established characters, a character in a costume or a different personality of that character. Movie and theatric character play characters are en exception.
:::::::::#Other pages - Any repeating, dominant or part of the canon Homestar Runner toons that could not be fitted into the toon's page as a fun fact ([[The Periodic Table of Candy Elements]]), part of the transcript ([[Experimental Film Visuals]]) or Easter egg ([[Strumstar Hammer]]) are allowed.
:::::::::When discussing on articles nominated for deletion, I look for those guidelines for help. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::And those are very good personal rules that could be integrated into the guidelines we're thinking about. To people that are saying this is a "gray area", I believe that's exactly what we're trying to fill in with our page. I suggest that all of us share our personal tactics for situations like these, such as E.L. Cool did, and we can pick, choose, and mesh them all together for the final product. Sound good? Here are mine:
::::::::::#Email-specific articles: Very minor characters, items, sayings, or places do not merit a page. If it was a major part of the email or toon, yes or maybe.
::::::::::#Articles with a character's name in the title: Usually merge with character page unless it is/becomes a running gag.
::::::::::#Spam, Spam, and more Spam: Obviously delete.
::::::::::#All Articles: If no more than five lines of text can be used to describe the subject, delete or merge. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::I just discovered this thread as I was about to begin an identical one. As someone who's created a couple very minor, deleteable articles in the last couple days, I sense a strong need to establish some guidelines. And I think it's okay to be specific about the number of appearances necessary for a kind of item to get its own article — we can still be flexible and decide on an article's merit by voting, but establishing guidelines will prevent many of the wrong articles from being created in the first place. I personally like E.L. Cool's suggestions very much (Brightstar, yours are good too, but his are a bit more specific). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing this again! I was beginning to think this was a lost cause, but maybe it could really happen! I know E. L. Cool's guidelines were better than mine; I just wanted to put my own personal ones up. Pages like [[Smoke Detector|this one]], [[Marshie's Mother|this one]], and [[Stooly|this one]] just bother me beyond reason. Also [[Wilbur|this one here]], but nobody agreed with me about that. Anyway, way too many small, useless articles are being created every day and we need some set guidelines to deal with them. Now, I'm not saying every one of these should be promptly deleted/merged/whatever else, I'm just saying that we need something to refer to so heated arguments don't erupt (at least as often) in regards to what should be done with said small, insignifigant article. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::While I like EL's list, [[Wilbur|this one here]] is a good example of why even with a list we need to realize there's a need to discuss most any article that may be put up for deletion no matter the rules. I wouldn't mind having more "rules" as to what is suggested to be set to pending deletion or what's expected of a new article. On the other hand there are a number of pages that are out there that I could see these suggestions bringing up for deletion, and while some of them maybe should go away. But there is still debate to be had as to is something a gag, an important item, if it should be merged with something else. etc. etc. Also, we need to continue to realize that "once deleted, always deleted" is not a rule. There may be a better way to make an article, or a reason for it's existence that has not been thought of before, or additional appearances, or any number of possible reasons. I just want to make sure we know exactly what we want a policy to do, and that we word it as such with thought given to possible ramifications. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 22:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
::Tell you what; I'll make a possible guidelines article in Microsoft Word and make it one of my subpages. When I'm done, I'll link to it from here and we can critique it, adding, subtracting, rivising, etc. as we go to create a fine policy. Sound good? I'll go and do that now, so don't expect to hear from me for about an hour. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, here it is: [[User:Brightstar Shiner/Deletion Guidelines]]. I took the guidelines from the ideas posted in this disscussion, mainly E.L. Cool's. Note that this is but the first version; feel free to point out any problems or suggestions you might want to tell me. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

== A Vandal? ==

72.130.213.123 seems to be doing mostly bad edits. Should they be banned?
Sorry if I'm speaking out of turn, although I guess you can't speak out of turn on a message board, right? I mean when's your turn, it's not 'til you reply. - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 01:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
:Looking at their [[Special:Contributions/72.130.213.123|contributions]], they've made one edit, which wasn't all that bad. I hardly think a block is needed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Look to [[Special:Contributions/70.64.178.238|70.64.178.238]] for an example of blockable behavior. A simple bad edit is not necessarily vandalism. Also, blocking anonymous IPs is not a routine activity as many IPs are temporary - an appreciable block on an IP can potentially affect many innocent users. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

== Semi-protection implemented ==
Back in March is was [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 5#Semi-protecting|discussed]] that semi-protection would be a good idea to deter most main page template vandalism. This semi-protection has now been implemented for both Whatsnew and the current featured article. This will prevent anonymous users and recently created user accounts from editing. A section further explaining this will be added to [[HRWiki:Protected page]], which is linked to when a user attempts to edit a protected page. We would appreciate your thoughts on whether we should disclose on that page the exact amount of time it takes before a new user is able to edit. Thanks, [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, the exact amount of time is 28 hours. The number was chosen intentionally to be just a little more than exactly one day. In addition, all page moves are disabled during this period, regardless of the protected status of a page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::The two sides to the argument are pretty much equal, from what I can see.
::*'''Point:''' New users may be frustrated to find they can't move or edit certain pages, and then not know why they can't do so. It's only natural to place such information in a readily visible area.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Few new users are knowledgeable enough to know how or to have a reason to move pages or edit semi-protected pages in their first 28 hours; therefore, it wouldn't have an impact on them.
::*'''Point:''' As this time-limitation would generally only thwart the casual vandal, said vandal would probably have no reason to check [[HRWiki:Protected page]] for information; the disclosure is safe there.
::*'''Counterpoint:''' Even a casual vandal would come across the link to [[HRWiki:Protected page]] quickly, scan the page for information, and have no problem waiting 28 hours until he or she can vandalize to his or her heart's content.
::In any case, I'm leaning towards '''opposed'''. I don't think we need this clause at [[HRWiki:Protected page]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I would rather have a brief explanation on that page. We don't have so many vandals that we need to worry about it too much, and I don't want to give real new users the impression that editing here is harder than it actually is. I don't think we need to mention the exact duration, though.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::Regarding Lapper's point that vandals would check the [[HRWiki:Protected page]] to see how long they'd have to wait, I propose we just use language like "semi-protection prevents all unregistered or recently registered users from editing a page" and not include the exact time limit. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::Let's also bear in mind that this will not stop vandalism, it will simply make it more of a bother to vandalize certain key pages. A casual vandal will simply do what he can, perhaps to another page, and a dedicated vandal will figure it out and do it no matter what we do to try to stop him. But this would provide a certain level of insurance against high-visibility or mission-critical areas from being compromised. That's probably a good thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

::::::I agree with the above comments: the semi-protection is a good idea, but no need to disclose the exact length of time. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I agree: Semi-protection should be mentioned, as we are an honorable wiki that does not lie to its users. Furthermore, semi-protection should be included on high visibility HRWiki pages such as The Stick. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I just had a thought... why are we still full-protecting the images on the main page? Is there a reason we're not semi-protecting them too? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I would say so that they don't get defaced whilst they are on the main page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, no reason that I can think of. Just waiting for someone to bring it up (how passive of me...) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I still support ''full'' protection of images on the main page. They were fully protected when the main page templates weren't protected at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ditto. It makes sense, too, coz semi-protection locks out just IPs (right?). But IPs can't upload images anyway (right?), so it doesn't do a whole lot for images. Also, no offense to anyone out there (coz I'm not thinking of anyone specific), but a lot of users can't make very good images. JPGs, poor cropping, etc. Aside from vandalism, no one wants that on the main page either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Highly visible images need to retain their integrity at all times. In answer to Dorian's uncertainty, semi-protection locks out both IPs and users who are not yet auto-confirmed. IPs can't upload images, but I believe that users who aren't auto-confirmed still can; the lockout definitely includes moving and editing of semi-protected pages, but I'm not sure if they can upload. If they can, perhaps we should consider locking that off as well? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Hmmm that's a good question: clicking on "{{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Upload&wpDestFile=Tirecake.png upload file}}" does not preclude me from seeing the form. I'd like to try uploading a picture over a protected page, but I'd rather work with a test picture -- unless Dot Com or Tom or one of the other guys know definitively if protection prevents the picture from being replaced? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:55, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::It does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== Limited editability for user pages ==

The only people who should ever need to edit a user page is that user themselves, and sysops (in case there's inappropriate material). Maybe there's a rare case where someone asks another user to help with their page, but it shouldn't be hard to set up a system where editing user pages is restricted to sysops, the selfsame user, and a list of usernames that that user trusts to edit their page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 14:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, if there's inappropriate content, normal users can also remove or censor that, too. Not just sysops. Because, it's harder for inappropriate user content to be removed by only sysops when they just make up [[Special:Statistics|.3% of the population]]. Now, the other thing I'm worried about is this trusted user thing. If a user's on a trusted user list, and decides to start trolling, or vandalize friendly (as in, the two users edit each other's user pages non-stop), then only a few people can revert that. Now, that won't be MUCH of a problem, as sysops are constantly logged in and will be able to revert/block such trolls. Plus, we have the semi-protection system, which pretty much allows all trusted users to edit semi-protected pages. In conclusion, my point is, why try to perfect a pretty much perfected system? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::Because twice now I've seen "I suck" added to a user page without the user's knowledge, once being my own and I think people's identities and descriptions would be a lot safer by my method. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::Wait, identities and descriptions? Do you mean, what users put on their own user pages? That, and you've only seen it TWICE. Trust me, I've had it happen to me tons of times, and to be honest, it's not something to worry about. I bring up a vandal who, how do I put this, uploaded an inappropriate drawing done in MS Paint. Now, this user could set up an account, upload the file when the sysops aren't around, and then put it on his/her user page and trusted users have to sit there and wait. And that's why semi-protection works. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 15:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Then how about a user rating system (say 1 to 10) where users can edit their own rating and lower, but not higher, i.e. sysops are a 10, anonamous IPs are a 0, and everyone else is somewhere in the middle, and the rating is an algorithm based on the number and frequency of useful (ie. not reverted, not talk page, not repeat edits to the same article) edits they have made. Such a system could also be useful for other things as well, such as:
::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop
::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits)
::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating
::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page
::::just to name a few. We invented STUFF, why can't we invent this too? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::*Giving the sysops an idea of who deserves to be made a sysop: When they see someone who deserves it because of their amazing edits, not some ranking, they decide if they need to be a sysop.
:::::*Listing edits made by ratings lower than x (which have a higher percentage of needing to be reverted, given that the lower numbers are the newer users, or the ones who make incorrect edits): It seems to be a system where we only trust those with high numbers, and it's hard to climb up the status ladder.
:::::*Restricting editing access of featured articles to people above a certain rating: Well, we try to limit editing featured pages, and we restrict featured images, so it wouldn't hurt a lot if an annony makes a few small edits to something on the Main Page. Otherwise, we can revert them.
:::::*allowing a few select non-sysop people (rating 9 and maybe 8) to edit the main page: The Main Page is pretty much edited through templates that I believe most people can edit.
:::::In conclusion, it seems to be a complete social status system based on seniority or artificial trust, rather than on good edits or good faith. It also seems harder to climb the ladder, as I've said, making it basically a site for regulars only. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 16:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Fair enough. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 16:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strange "Testing" ==

I just wanted to mention that I've noticed a few edits ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AShellabella17&diff=434055&oldid=434054] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Apehodet&diff=prev&oldid=433754] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:personal-image&diff=434141&oldid=434053]) that reveal an unusual pattern (I'd call in vandalism) in editing. I know it's not big now, but I'm starting to wonder if this is a prelude to to a more automated... um... "attack". --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I noticed this too. At first, they didn't necessarily seem like bad-faith edits, but their consistency made me suspicious just as it did you. Fortunately, one of the sources of these edits [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Apehodet has been taken care of], along with an IP range, but time will tell if the problem persists. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Redirects to userspaces ==

Some users have odd unusual characters in their usernames. It's awkward to remember all the accented and umlauted letters for the average American, to whom this wiki is targeted. I suggest we adopt the policy of allowing a redirect to users whose names contain one or more unusual characters which is spelled how a normal Americasn with a normal keyboard and a normal command of the English language would type it. Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
: I, personally, don't have a problem with this, and it is mildly frustrating when I want to reach Heimstern La-umlat-ufer's User/Talk/Contributions page... but at the same time, I don't exactly do that very frequently. Does anyone really believe we'll ever have a non-troll "Heimstern La-no-umlat-ufer" at any point? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::[[Special:Contributions/Heimstern_Laufer|Already have]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::He said "non-troll". Any user who joined with a name similar to Heimi's would be advised to change names anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Umm, Heimy, those are all troll edits. I agree that redirects of this type can be useful, voting '''yes'''... oh wait, this isn't a STUFF debate... [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would support a policy where we allow ''one'' redirect if a username has non-English characters in the name (or something that can't be typed easily into a URL, like a question mark). Similarly, if a user has a widely-known nickname, the user could use the redirect for that purpose (for example, I would expect to be allowed to redirect "User:Dot com" to my page). (Case-sensitive redirects will very soon be unnecessary, so that should not be a concern here.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::Dot com, what if someone has an odd char in their name AND a widely known nick? then what? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:23, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm wondering if we really do need those redirects, or if this can easily be handled by the search function. Interestingly, Heimi [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=heimstern&searchx=Search can be found] without using an umlaut, while Dot com [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?ns2=1&search=dot+com&searchx=Search can't be found] without "It's". Maybe we should have a look at the search algorithm to take care of these things automatically. It would save us a lot of hassle instead of debating which redirects are allowed and who exactly is a widely know user.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:31, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::DeFender: Then that user would have to decide which is more important. I think one should be the limit, with restrictions similar to the ones on [[HRWiki:Signature]], lest someone go crazy and create 20 redirects. Incidentally, a lot of users have a redirect from a username change, and we have quietly allowed those to exist. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== To be reorganized ==

I've thought for a while that the to be deleted/merged/redirected/moved/etc. templates, categories, and discussions have been needlessly fractured. Essentially, all of those templates and categories seek to answer just one question: whether any particular content should exist as its own article (or at all) on the wiki. On top of that, a lot of the time a discussion that starts out toward deletion suddenly swings toward merge (or vice versa), and tagging borderline articles to raise awareness of their existence tends to cause their creators (who are often new users) to panic. I therefore think we need to combine all of these functions into one process, and at the same shift the emphasis from ''deletion'' to ''discussion''.

'''Let me outline my master plan:'''
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
A. Drop my grapes.
B. Redirect <code>{{t|tobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|talktobedeleted}}</code>, <code>{{t|merge}}</code>, <code>{{t|mergetalk}}</code>, <code>{{t|redirect}}</code>, and <code>{{t|move}}</code> all to one new, over-arching template: <code>'''{{t|tobediscussed}}'''</code> (which will have the benefit of still being able to be abbreviated <code>{{t|tbd}}</code>).
C. Restructure the catgories:</div>

|
HRWiki Maintenance
| |___...
|
Page Maintenance
| |
______________| |______________
| |
| |
Pages for Discussion Pages for Speedy Deletion
| | |
| |________ |
Articles for Discussion | (pages tagged with <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>)
| |
| |
(articles/talk) (pages/talk in other namespaces)
<div style="padding-left:1.5em;text-indent:-1.5em">
D. Revert [[HRWiki:Deletion Policy]] so that it's just instructions to sysops on when is the correct time to delete a page.
E. Move the content that was just removed from the deletion policy and create [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines]]. (The guidelines on the current deletion policy are primarily about what to ''keep'', rather than remove.)
F. Uncover that cheat!</div>
I believe these suggestions will help make us a happier, more efficient wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:Great system! I'll take it! I'll take twelve! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well... a tad confusing, but it seems good (from what I understand). I'm all for it. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 23:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I like it! When it's implemented, it'll be so much simpler than what we have now.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Sounds great! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::WERE A DIAPER! I'm convinced — it's a good idea. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:Re (B), what of {{t|mergefrom}}? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

::I think that one would just disappear entirely. {{tl|tobediscussed}} purposefully doesn't indicate whether an article has been proposed to be merged since article merit discussions often shift between merging and deleting. Since we don't specify ahead of time what the proposed action for an article is, we wouldn't put a template on the page that the article in question might be merged with. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see any reason for <nowiki>{{mergefrom}}</nowiki> to go anywhere. If there's a strong case for merging, it could still come in handy to draw attention to the discussion at the other end. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::That's a good point. I'd like to mention that the mergefrom template should also follow a similar style now to tobediscussed. BTW the templates look great! Now to delete... er discuss! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
So based on {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AStux%2Fsandbox&diff=444089&oldid=433357 this test}} I've compiled what I beleive should be the changes in categories that would be necessary. The following 4 categories are new:

[[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]] | [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] | [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]].

The existing categories, along with my suggested moves/actions are as follows:
*[[:Category:Talk to be deleted|Talk to be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Articles for Discussion|Articles for Discussion]] (maybe)
*[[:Category:To be deleted|To be deleted]] -> [[:Category:Pages for Speedy Deletion|Pages for Speedy Deletion]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be merged|To be merged]] -> [[:Category:Merge Targets|Merge Targets]] (move)
*[[:Category:To be redirected|To be redirected]] (removed or moved to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion|Pages for Discussion]])
Hmmmm. That's about it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:Nah, those all (except ttbd) pretty much need to go to [[:Category:Pages for Discussion]]. I've taken care of 'em. This has all now been implemented, for the most part. There will naturally be an adjustment period as we get used to it, and we may find some things we need to tweak (some of the category descriptions could be looked at, for example), but the basic structure and functionality should be fully in place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

==Homsar Main Page==
(This discussion was originally on the sandbox and refers to [[User:DeFender1031/Homsar Main Page|this]])

I think we should make this an easter egg reached from the real main page somehow... anyone think it's a good/funny idea? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, that would be AWESOME. But, for that we need a sysop, a hidden link, and this to be a subpage. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:25, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::And by the way, other people are trying to get actual WORK done. (What? ME? Work? No) --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't touch my severance package.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::You could post it in the [[HRFWiki:|fanstuff]] wiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::What did Loafing mean? Nevermind. That was a "no". {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Errm, who touched your severence package? ArE wE jUsT tHrOwInG iT dOwN tHe ToIlEt At ThIs PoInT? --[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Contributions/Super_Martyo_Brother http://www.hrwiki.org/images/9/9b/Mario2.GIF] [[User:Super Martyo Brother|sUpEr MaRtYo]] [[User talk:Super Martyo Brother|BoInG!]] 23:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. It would be kinda hard to post this on the Fanstuff Wiki.
:::::::It's a Homsar quote from [[Georgia_Tech#Part_II:_Q_.26_A]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could go on that baleeted nonsense page that one user made. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::yeah, but it'd be REALLY cool on the main page [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I know that and I'd like that too, but Loafing said not to touch his severance package. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::yeah, he was joking:
<blockquote>
<Loaf|uni> personally, i like the idea. but also note my original edit summary 
<DeFender1031> you don't think DC will go for it? 
<Loaf|uni> i don't think so 
<DeFender1031> aww 
<Loaf|uni> and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either 
<DeFender1031> that guy's too serious all the time 
<Loaf|uni> it would have been a perfect main page for april fools, though 
<DeFender1031> true 
<DeFender1031> but 
<DeFender1031> listen, it's a very characteristic thing to do 
<DeFender1031> homsar is always "the secwet guy" 
<DeFender1031> why not have a homsar main page? 
</blockquote>
[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Note how I said "and i'm not sure if it's a good idea, either".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, you like the idea but aren't sure if it's a good one... that makes perfect sense. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::If Dot com agreed to it,Loafing, would you? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't like where this is going. a) Dot Com is not the Oscar the Grouch of the wiki b) I do have my own opinion about things.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't mean for it to really sound like that. I have messed up what I have meant to say on this wiki several thymes. Plus I didn't expect you to notice that comment. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let me outline my master plan. I will A) Drop my grapes, b) Start a petition to put this on the Main Page as an Easter Egg, and c) If that doesn't work, post a link to a revision with this on it to Venusy, and ask him to please post this on his [[User:Venusy/April Fool's Jokes and Other Baleeted Nonsense|thingy-ma-bobber's]] page. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:We don't have "petitions" on the wiki. If someone comes up with an idea, we discuss it and see if we can form a consensus. It's much more productive this way.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::I agree — reformatting those votes into comments would probably be better. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Fine. I '''agree''' with this idea. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I firmly disagree with the idea. This encyclopedia does not need a "joke" main page for any reason at all; ideas like this might be more well received at HRFWiki or possibly even the Forum, as a recommendation. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I think it's a clever idea (props to Super Martyo Brother and others who worked on this). To pull it off, though, I think it's got to be more than funny — it's got to be ''laugh-out-loud hilarious''. I'm just not sure if we're going to be able to refine it to that point (at least, I know ''I'm'' not funny enough to make it that good). So, I like the idea, but I currently disagree with pursuing it further. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Here's my two cents: we are a knowledge base first, not a playground. While we have some fun, it's all directed in a way that supports our main mission: to faithfully record TBC's creation. If you want to be creative yourselves, the Fanstuff Wiki is an excellent place for that. I don't see an appropriate purpose in having a goofy main page as an option in a knowledge-base wiki. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I am '''neutral'''. I think it would be cool to have this maybe as a subpage, but for now, no secret links on the main page. Also, yes, this wiki is a knowledge base and not a playground, and anyone who wants to create stuff like this should either go to the fanstuff wiki or do it in the sandbox, have it on a subpage, etc... You guys who are sugesting that we take this to the fanstuff wiki, It would be mecca-hard to do (at least while still keeping the links). --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::P.S. Trey, if I get a picture of Homsar carved into an actual watermelon, will it have achieved laugh-your-head-off status?
:::::::WHAT?! You were the first name on the petition, back before they removed it. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Links on the fanstuff are not that hard. Just append '''HRWiki:''' to each link and voilà! Problem is of course all links will be light blue. But that's something a little <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> magic can't fix! Heck, even a nice little template can be used to make it easy to make the links look just as they would here! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Since the petition got deleted i forgot to post that I '''agree'''
::::::::::Okay, it is now officially on the [[HRFWiki:Homsar Shunner Wiki Main Page|fanstuff wiki]]. Now quit buggin' me. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== Automatic links for new users ==

:''This discussion is continued from [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 6#Welcome Messages|here]].''
Welcoming of users [[HRWiki talk:User space#Welcomed users subpages|has been brought up again]], and I'd like to revisit the idea of automatic links to our standards, policies, and help pages on the user talk page of new users. This would ''not'' be intended to take the place of a personal welcome from a wiki member. The so-called welcome that most users get now is just a list of links anyway, and these links are posted immediately upon registration, so why don't we go ahead and completely automate the process. Then, after a brief amount of time has passed (so that it doesn't look automatic), or after a few edits by the user, an established user can extend a real, personal welcome. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think this is a great idea! I don't like the way welcoming happens right now. Sure, some of the welcoming templates are cute, but it's still pretty impersonal from the point of view of the new user. I think it would be nice if the welcoming templates/system had personalization based on the ''new user'' rather than based on the ''welcomer'', if that makes any sense -- instead of spending a lot of time creating a template that fits your personality, think of a friendly comment about the user's first edits or their username. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I '''support''' this idea — up till yesterday, I opposed it on the grounds that it would be less personal to have an automatic welcome. However, as Dot com and H*C have pointed out above, it is actually ''more'' personal because it encourages a "real" welcome based on a new user's edits or userpage info. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:Me likey, me likey! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:13, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:I don't do a whole lot of welcoming... In fact, I only did it once, to make sure my friend got a good welcome (i.e. something less distracting, and more useful). But then, that's why I think my point's valid. I like this idea as well. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:16, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:It's a good idea, but how would it be implemented? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Implementation, in my opinion, should be fully automated and added, with scripting, to a user's talk once he or she is auto-confirmed and has not been blocked. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:25, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::A few things:
:::#I do want to reiterate something from Abdi's previous post in the original post that struck me as really important: ''But I feel strongly that as long as initial contact can be human, and can be '''perceptibly''' human, that's preferable.'' (Emphasis added.) We must still keep in mind that this must be perceived as more or just as human as the status quo. Otherwise we'll lose a little something of our hospitality.
:::#It's likely that welcoming committee participation will drop once this is implemented. That is, more people will rely on the auto-welcoming system, no matter what.
:::#Keep in mind that even with our current system, where templated messages are quickly removed/ignored, oftentimes the new users will still go to the people who welcomed them for questions/advice. It's this ''first contact'' that can prove to be a lasting one. If it's electronic that might lose a little something. Might as well just plop it in their page right away as a "talk default" or send them an email with that information. Then a real person can leave a human message.
:::I have personally kept away from joining the welcoming committee because I didn't want to subscribe myself to a "welcoming quota" or template. But the information provided does serve a purpose. Instead I prefer to drop an informal "hello" here and there to certain editors. But that's just my style. Yes the current system is broken, and the autowelcome is a good idea but whose consequences we must evaluate. I think instead of providing a technical solution, we should ''also'' provide a "procedural" solution by changing the way the welcoming comittee does its work. (Be it via training or whatever). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

To address your points:
# There will still be human contact. The welcoming templates as they stand barely qualify as human contact, because it simply involves heading to a new user's page and typing <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki> or whatever. A personalized greeting from a user that doesn't rely on a template qualifies as more constructive human content, IMO. Let the machine provide the links, let the human provide specific help/comments.
# I really don't think welcoming committee participation will drop. People are constantly itching for things to do on the wiki, and changing the requirements to providing a personal comment rather than a template would probably not decrease participation at all. If someone drops out because they're too lazy to write a comment instead of just dropping a template, then that's fine by me.
# I've actually been concerned in the past that our welcoming templates are a little too...overwhelming, maybe? I know if I were new to the wiki, did an edit, and immediately had a user provide me with Help and Standards links (even in a friendly manner), I would wonder what I did wrong. If they are provided by a machine (and the message is labelled as automatic), then the user still gets the useful links without feeling that they're being corrected, and the welcoming user can provide an actual positive or relevent comment, like "Grood jorb!" {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:Ms. Coder, I find your arguments very sound and convincing. :) With the consensus seeming to reach that this is a good idea, I then have <s>two</s> three more issues to raise:
:#What kind of content should this auto-template contain?
:#At what specific period should it be posted? (Immediately during account creation? After first edit? After first 3 Mainspace edits? After the first 5 Mainspace edit, 1 user edit, 3 user talk edits, and a root canal?)
:#What of the old welcoming committee? What welcoming instructions should be posted? "Scrap all your welcome templates. Make sure you only post original messages on welcomed users page. Here's a list of suggested topics of discussion:"
:This should probably stem 3 separate discussions in the Welcoming committee talk page (I think) if the plan is put forth in motion. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, it should be three separate discussions, but since I'm lazy, I'll reply to it all at once! ;)
::#The welcoming committee page has a sample template which could form the basis for an automated template. It should definately have some indication that it's automated, so the user doesn't wonder who gave them the message.
::#That is really tricky, but my initial reaction is in favor of "after first edit." They should be given the helpful links before they do too much editing. Doing it upon account creation might also be okay...
::#I don't think you need to scrap welcome templates. Maybe scrap part of the text inside them -- replace the stuff the automated template provides with a "{{{1}}}", and use the {{{1}}} to post a personalized message, for instance. I'm not sure about "only post original messages," that seems a little totalitarian maybe, but suggested topics of discussion would be a great idea. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:::<ol start="2"><li>It would probably need to be to be immediately upon account creation. It depends on some system event to trigger it, and the one that would involve the least amount of hassle logistically would be the new-user function. Isn't that the purpose of the automatic links, anyway? To be there right away for the new user to read? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
::::<ol start="2"><li>Yeah! That makes the most sense, I'm all for that. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)</li></ol>
:::::Agreed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Yup. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:56, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Some thoughts. First, let's not think of this as "auto-welcoming" - it is NOT welcoming, as that's something a person does. This is the providing of essential links to a new user. I'm all for that. Second, I'm all in favor of welcomes being less scripted and more personal. Currently, a welcome is the mindless substing of a template on a page, and that's hardly a welcome at all. So I think I '''support''' this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Right, this isn't welcoming (I've tried to get away from the term autowelcome). To move forward, we need content for [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]) and [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Just a little Devil's advocate here...What's wrong with the old system. I for one enjoy welcoming new users in [[User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/welcome|my own way]]. What is the problem that needs fixing? Why go through the effort of making an automated process? Are there users that are not getting welcome. Are people unhappy with the welcome that they get? What does automation offer that current system does not? I don't think it is a good thing to do just because we have the capability to do it. I think an examination of our object is critical here. What do want out of this that we don't have right now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 02:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Let's see, I hope I can respond adequately:
:::*By forcing the "auto-help-links" we take away the "thumb-twitching" response of some editors to "beat others" to welcoming and increase their "welcome count" which apparently results in just slapping an Air Force sticker ... er slapping a welcome template in a talk page. So people ''do'' get welcomed, but the impression is that this is still too impersonal.
:::*With the "auto-help-links" welcomers can only now type in a real welcome message, and we can make it absolutely clear that we want it to be a welcome message hopefully aimed more at characteristics of the new user (of which we admittedly known nothing about then) than the welcomer (though portraying the welcomer's personality would be a good thing).
:::*(We also have less of a chance of running into minor misunderstandings between welcomers and welcomed users that have occurred in the past.)
:::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::IRF, you'll still be able to welcome in exactly the same way you're welcoming now, except that the "helpful links" stuff will be taken care of by the automated system (so you can take it out of your template) and we'll be encouraging users to leave personal notes when they welcome rather than just <nowiki>{{substr:welcome}}</nowiki>, which it looks like you already do, so you're good to go. Basically, we want to 1. Make sure all users get the helpful links; 2. By automating the boring/generic part of the welcome, encouraging more personally helpful tips and comments in the welcome; 3. Reduce competition for how many people you have welcomed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think someone's been programming in C a little too long ;). You mean <code><nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki></code> right Homestar Coder? :) And yes, hopefully the welcoming competition would die down. Heck, we can even encourage people so that new users can be welcomed by more than one user! As it stands, generally one person leaves a welcome template, and that's it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I code in Java, so I'm not sure where that substr came from. Insanity perhaps ;) And yeah, now that welcoming won't require a huge template with lots of links, we could certainly have new users welcomed by more than one user. That would be another improvement. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this is ready to go live. What do you think? [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinks]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinks|Talk]]); [[MediaWiki:Newuserlinkssummary]] ([[MediaWiki talk:Newuserlinkssummary|Talk]]) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:I like it. At first, I was unsure about automatic welcomes, but now I'm convinced. Nice jorb on the text, Dot com.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, but remember, this isn't a welcome. The bot will provide links and guidance, but we still require people to actually make each new member feel welcome. That's not any less imposrtant - in fact, it's as important as ever. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, yes. That's actually why I'm convinced now. It'll just take me a while to not call it a an automatic welcome ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

As a freshly welcomed user, I feel that I might (at least theoretically) provide some insight in this respect. My initial welcome was nice, but I unintentionally baleeted my welcomer’s welcome template and was mistaken as a possible vandal. After all was said and done, the users that defended me and generally chatted me up made me feel comfortable and at home. [[trey56]] and [[loafing]] were especially nice to me, and I found that the userpages of these and other megahuge users helped me see what the whole community was about. The links were moderately helpful at best. So until next week, you keep welcoming me, and I’ll keep deleting your templates. I mean, thanking you. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 03:27, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

All right, this is enabled. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:20, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== About this wiki page ==

After posting {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKintu-li&diff=456323&oldid=456160 this note}} I realized that there really is no page explicitly describing the ''scope'' of this project. That is, although there is lots of [[Help:Contents|technical information]] available, I couldn't find anything that described what ''kind'' of information this wiki is gathering and outlining what the substance of those edits should be. As it stands it's more of a trial-and-revert thing. Which isn't bad, but it would be nice to have something "official" to point to people. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:You mean like a mission statement or something like that? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Steak

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 20:12:44 GMT

Jangles5150: reply

This is not a comment so much on this particular article as on our general editing standards, but I'll use this as the example: so, everytime a character says the word "steak" we note it here? Even if we never see a steak? Is that how this works? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

::I get what you're saying, but I think it's a little bit of both. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
==Cleanup==

As the above comment received no response, I am adding the "cleanup" template. This article should be enhanced to be on a par with such articles as such fellow [[:Category:Generic food and drinks|Generic food and drinks]] articles as [[Bread]] and [[Peas]].
:I trieds my hand at editing it; I apoligize if it isn't quite right. [[User:Enigma|Enigma]] 19:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Sam the Man/uploaded images

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 19:44:47 GMT

Jangles5150:

This is a very good page, Sam. It's a nice way to say "Hey!! Look at all the pictures I have!!", and I don't mean that to be an insult. But I have one question: How do you get the screenshots? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 22:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:Jangleyman, alt-prt scr and then paste into paint or something and crop. At least that's how I do it. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 22:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
::Then, use MS Paint (I'm not that good at it so ask {{User:Dr. Clash/sig}} for MS Paint) or as I use, [http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm Irfanview]. More information about Irfanview can be found at my talk page or {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}'s. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::[[flashback|Oh, now I understand.]] --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Baby Trogdor

Jangles5150 — Mon, 14 May 2007 19:35:03 GMT

Jangles5150:

User talk:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 22:10:04 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Something to do */

User talk:Jangles5150

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 22:02:13 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Something to do */ finished!

Homestar Runner's Hat

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 22:00:17 GMT

Jangles5150:

{{tobediscussed}}
[[image:Homestarhat.png|thumb|It's my buzzer!]]
'''[[Homestar Runner]]''' usually wears a blue and red '''propeller cap''', commonly called a beanie. He calls the propeller a "buzzer." In an interview with [[Wonkavision Magazine Interview|Wonkavision Magazine]], he claimed that he was born with his hat on.

==Appearances==
Homestar's hat has been mentioned or featured in a noteworthy way in the following toons:
*[[Where My Hat is At?]] — Homestar must find his hat in order to play in the Big Game.
*Email [[super powers]] — [[Strong Bad]] uses his blue diamond to make Homestar's hat pop off.
*Email [[car]] — Homestar claims to have tricked out his propeller cap so that it plays the theme from the '80s sitcom ''Night Court'' when the buzzer is spun.
*[[TrogdorCon '97]] — Homestar wears a second propeller cap as part of his Homestar Runner costume.

==Homestar Runner without his hat==
[[Image:Homestar no hat super powers.png|thumb|"I point the blame squarely at tight pants."]]
Homestar Runner is occasionally seen without his trademark hat:
*[[Where My Hat Is At?]]
*[[The King of Town DVD]]
*[[Marshmallow's Last Stand]]
*[[First Time Here?]]
*Email [[super powers]]

==See Also==
*[[Spin My Buzzer]]
*[[Naked Homestar Runner]]

{{stub}}
[[Category:Clothing]]

Homestar Runner's Fashion Sense

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 21:24:35 GMT

Jangles5150: /* Appearances */

[[Image:CHEF.PNG|thumb|Stick a fork in him]]
'''[[Homestar Runner|Homestar Runner's]] fashion sense''' is often questioned by the other [[Characters|characters]] in [[Free Country, USA]].

== Appearances ==
*[[First Time Here?]] — [[Cherry Greg|The director]] immediately cuts a take when he sees Homestar wearing one of several different costumes (or even standing [[Naked Homestar Runner|naked]]).
*Email [[fingers]] — [[Strong Bad]] told Homestar that he looked ridiculous when wearing fake arms.
*Email [[flashback]] — Both Strong Bad and [[The Prince of Town]] criticized Homestar's [[Duckie Shirt|duckie shirt]].
**The original plotline for this email would have had [[Marzipan]] attempting to do something about Homestar's horrible fashion sense.
*Email [[long pants]] — Strong Bad is scared of Homestar's "[[Homestar's Daisy Dukes|hot pants]]".
*[[Cool Things]] — [[Strong Sad]] tells Homestar to "take off those stupid [[Homestar's Shades|cool shades]]".
*Email [[highschool]] — Strong Bad and [[Strong Mad]] tried to liberate Homestar from his "ridiculous [[Homestar Runner's Pants|stripèd pants]]".
*Email [[narrator]] — Strong Bad has said that a "...dorky chef's hat threatened to tear [[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship|Homestar and Marzipan]] apart" because Marzipan herself expresses thorough dislike for Homestar's hat.

[[Category:Homestar Runner running gags]]
[[Category:Clothing running gags]]

Homestar Runner's Sleepwear

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 21:20:50 GMT

Jangles5150:

[[Image:HRwearingbunnyslippers.png|thumb|right|170x|[[Naked Homestar Runner|Naked]] with slippers]]
When [[Homestar Runner]] sleeps or is just waking up, he can be seen '''wearing his pajama outfit'''. That includes a white robe with two pockets, a hoodie and a belt made from cloth, pink bunny shaped slippers, a hat, a different T-shirt every time, and "stubble."

The first time Homestar's pajamas were seen was when [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]] tried to pull off their Jumble [[caper]]. Homestar later walked in dressed in the same attire and drinking coffee, at which time Strong Bad questioned him about his five o'clock shadow. Homestar revealed that it is actually [[Cinnamon|cinnamon]], not a beard.

In [[Decemberween]] we actually got to see Homestar sleeping in his pajamas and waking up to the noise of his [[Homestar's Clock|alarm clock]]. This scene revealed that he doesn't actually sleep with his robe, but that he does with his slippers.

Homestar also slept in his pajamas in [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Bubs' Motor Lodge]] and apparently inside a race car bed.

Homestar's Slippers are a pink/purple color and shaped like bunnies. They always have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. He wears them when sleeping or when recently waking from sleep. Homestar slept through all of June of 2006, thinking he only slept until mid May. This time he changed his bunny slippers with [[Nebulon]] slippers. Homestar also owns a pair of hippo slippers, seen in [[impression]], though he claims that they're [[Soolnds|elephants]].

==Homestar Runner's T-shirts==

Most of the time, the T-shirts that Homestar wear to bed reference those that are worn by famous people or movie characters.
*His first T-shirt is a picture of himself running, which at one point could be found in the [[Store|store]].
*His second T-shirt is essentially the same as that worn by [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] in bed in the video for [[Wikipedia:Beat It|Beat It]]. This includes the inaccurate depiction of a keyboard, showing both single black keys and three white keys in a row.
*His third T-shirt reading ''[http://www.founditemclothing.com/t-shirts/toxic.html I ♥ Toxic Waste]'' is the shirt Val Kilmer (as Chris Knight) wears when he first appears in the movie [[Wikipedia:Real Genius|Real Genius]] while interviewing for a job at Darlington.
*His fourth T-shirt a reference to the movie ''[[IMDB:tt0088258|This Is Spinal Tap]]'', in which [[Wikipedia:Nigel Tufnel|Nigel Tufnel]] is seen wearing the same shirt featuring a green ribcage and later remarks "This is what I sleep in sometimes".

==The Pajamas==

<gallery>
Image:HomestarPajamas1.png|<center>Homestar running</center>
Image:HomestarPajamas2.png|<center>Keyboard</center>
Image:Lovewaste.PNG|<center>I &hearts; TOXIC WASTE</center>
Image:Homestarneb1sleepers.PNG|<center>Ribcage</center>
</gallery>

==Fun Facts==

*In the [[strongbad_email.exe|DVD]] [[caper#Commentary Transcript|commentary]] for the email caper, [[The Brothers Chaps]] revealed that the cinnamon beard is what they used to do when they made movies that required a 5 o'clock shadow when they were younger.

==Appearances==

*[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] (Homestar running)
*[[Store Thank You Messages#Late Night Thank You|Store Thank You Message Four]] (Keyboard)
*Email [[secret identity]] (I &hearts; TOXIC WASTE)
====Instances when he's sleepy====
*Email [[caper]] (Homestar running)
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]] (Keyboard)
*[[Weclome Back]] (Ribcage)

== See Also ==
*[[Naked Homestar Runner]]

[[Category:Clothing]]

Homestar Runner's Sleepwear

Jangles5150 — Sat, 12 May 2007 21:17:13 GMT

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[[Image:HRwearingbunnyslippers.png|thumb|right|170x|[[Naked Homestar|Naked]] with slippers]]
When [[Homestar Runner]] sleeps or is just waking up, he can be seen '''wearing his pajama outfit'''. That includes a white robe with two pockets, a hoodie and a belt made from cloth, pink bunny shaped slippers, a hat, a different T-shirt every time, and "stubble."

The first time Homestar's pajamas were seen was when [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]] tried to pull off their Jumble [[caper]]. Homestar later walked in dressed in the same attire and drinking coffee, at which time Strong Bad questioned him about his five o'clock shadow. Homestar revealed that it is actually [[Cinnamon|cinnamon]], not a beard.

In [[Decemberween]] we actually got to see Homestar sleeping in his pajamas and waking up to the noise of his [[Homestar's Clock|alarm clock]]. This scene revealed that he doesn't actually sleep with his robe, but that he does with his slippers.

Homestar also slept in his pajamas in [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Bubs' Motor Lodge]] and apparently inside a race car bed.

Homestar's Slippers are a pink/purple color and shaped like bunnies. They always have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. He wears them when sleeping or when recently waking from sleep. Homestar slept through all of June of 2006, thinking he only slept until mid May. This time he changed his bunny slippers with [[Nebulon]] slippers. Homestar also owns a pair of hippo slippers, seen in [[impression]], though he claims that they're [[Soolnds|elephants]].

==Homestar Runner's T-shirts==

Most of the time, the T-shirts that Homestar wear to bed reference those that are worn by famous people or movie characters.
*His first T-shirt is a picture of himself running, which at one point could be found in the [[Store|store]].
*His second T-shirt is essentially the same as that worn by [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] in bed in the video for [[Wikipedia:Beat It|Beat It]]. This includes the inaccurate depiction of a keyboard, showing both single black keys and three white keys in a row.
*His third T-shirt reading ''[http://www.founditemclothing.com/t-shirts/toxic.html I ♥ Toxic Waste]'' is the shirt Val Kilmer (as Chris Knight) wears when he first appears in the movie [[Wikipedia:Real Genius|Real Genius]] while interviewing for a job at Darlington.
*His fourth T-shirt a reference to the movie ''[[IMDB:tt0088258|This Is Spinal Tap]]'', in which [[Wikipedia:Nigel Tufnel|Nigel Tufnel]] is seen wearing the same shirt featuring a green ribcage and later remarks "This is what I sleep in sometimes".

==The Pajamas==

<gallery>
Image:HomestarPajamas1.png|<center>Homestar running</center>
Image:HomestarPajamas2.png|<center>Keyboard</center>
Image:Lovewaste.PNG|<center>I &hearts; TOXIC WASTE</center>
Image:Homestarneb1sleepers.PNG|<center>Ribcage</center>
</gallery>

==Fun Facts==

*In the [[strongbad_email.exe|DVD]] [[caper#Commentary Transcript|commentary]] for the email caper, [[The Brothers Chaps]] revealed that the cinnamon beard is what they used to do when they made movies that required a 5 o'clock shadow when they were younger.

==Appearances==

*[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] (Homestar running)
*[[Store Thank You Messages#Late Night Thank You|Store Thank You Message Four]] (Keyboard)
*Email [[secret identity]] (I &hearts; TOXIC WASTE)
====Instances when he's sleepy====
*Email [[caper]] (Homestar running)
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]] (Keyboard)
*[[Weclome Back]] (Ribcage)

== See Also ==
*[[Naked Homestar Runner]]

[[Category:Clothing]]