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Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

Clever Ben — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:29:57 GMT

Clever Ben: Added opinion

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The [[King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry to post anonymously, but I haven't created an account here yet. I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up.

**To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10

Clever Ben — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:07:57 GMT

Clever Ben: Comment

==TGS Issue Picture==
Which picture should we use? [[Image:Mightywarrior.PNG|thumb|"Mightywarrior.PNG"]][[Image:TeenGirlSquad10.PNG|thumb|"TeenGirlSquad10.PNG"]]

Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt
:The lower one definitely. It shows the theme of the episode better. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Stan! ==

In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?

Easter Egg? If this exists why isn't it listed? --[[User:Mrdude|jake]] 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== New Software ==

I think the reason for the new animation is TBC got some new animation software and they wanted to test it out. [[User:DaChazman|DaChazman]]

It's all done with Flash. If it were done with Flash 8 (the new one) we'd know. [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Besides, with simple characters like that, you can do that with a few masks and shape tweens. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I know there's some software that can export 3D animation to flash. It's called [http://www.erain.com Swift 3D]. However, I dont know if TBC are using it. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

:They're not. There's nothing fancy with the rotation that they haven't done before, eg in [[funny]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, good point. That software is expensive anyway. Too expensive for a 1 second rotation. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

== 3-D? I don't even know what that is! ==

I move that all instances of the word 3-D be replaced with the word 3D. Who's with me, eh? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Can somebody who knows something about 3D software confirm that the "We got a spinner" gag is a reference to the bizarre glitches that such software sometimes create (elements moving by themselves in weird ways)? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I found it to be a reference to CGI animation glitches like the ones shown under special features of Pixar movies.---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]] 19:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I was thinking of; like the monster's hair in Monsters Inc. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

: You're wrong, BTW. [[Wikipedia:3D|3D]] is an auto-redirect to [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:And m-w.com doesn't recognize [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=3d&book=Dictionary 3D], only 3-D. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

==Inside references==
In the party sequence, I know all the TGS inside references are listed in the cast of characters at the beginning, but is there any other appropriate way to mention it elsewhere? Say, an inside reference that simply says "See the Cast of Characters?" Also, can someone confirm my suspicion that this contains ''every'' TGS character seen to date (even a reference to Brett!), and that it's the first TGS to include a shot of the "real world," or of regular H*R characters other than Strong Bad? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about your first question, but I can answer your second and third ones:
*2: No, it does not contain every TGS character to date. For example, the Floor Tom and the Vulture/Bat don't appear. See the Minor TGS Characters page for a bunch of characters that fail to appear.
*3: Yes and no. It is the first episode to show the "real world", but [[Pom Pom]] appears in episode #8.
:Hope that helps. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
::This ''is'', however, the first TGS to show any character--including Strong Bad--outside of the comic's world. Pom Pom in issue 8 was still a drawing, as was Strong Bad's cameo appearances in issues 1, 8, and 9. This is the first time a TGS episode has had not-drawings in it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Actually, Strong Bad Email #53, "comic" also features TGS and "not-drawings" together. Which is the "official" TGS #1, anyway?
:::The Vultures do appear. See the bottom left corner of the scene where Manolios is introducing The Ugly One. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:55, 10 October 2005 (BST)
::::Sorry, I meant the Vulture from issue #2. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Vowels ==
Vowels are A-E-I-O-U "Y" is not a vowel :p
:Sometimes it is. It's being used as a vowel in this case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::From the Wikipedia: "In the standard English language, the letter [[Wikipedia:Y|Y]] is traditionally regarded as a consonant, but as a survey of almost any English text, including this one, will show, Y more commonly functions as a vowel." So our anonymous friend is right. Y is not a vowel. And sign your posts.{{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Also from Wikipedia: The name "vowel" is often used for the symbols used for representing vowel sounds in a language's writing system, particularly if the language uses an alphabet. In the Latin alphabet, the vowel letters are usually A, E, I, O, U, and in some languages Y, as in English. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 19:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh yeah, because an entirely user-edited encyclopaedia can NEVER contradict itself. Why don't we go with the majority and accept that Y is NOT a vowel?
::::[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefEdList.aspx?refid=210026329 Encarta] seems to agree as well. After all, the way most schools teach vowels is A-E-I-O-U and SOMETIMES Y. In "sorry," Y is a vowel, as it is nearly impossible to construct a meaningful syllable without a vowel. Does "syzygy" also have no vowels in it? No. ... Okay, I rambled. Sorry. But Y is a vowel in this case. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::: Because it is. The word "vowel" denotes how the letter is used, not what the letter is. As it happens, Y isn't the only "consonant" that can be used as a vowel (W is common, and G and H show up often too.) It's just that the five letters most commonly called "vowels" are the ones NEVER used as consonants. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

"Vowel" and "consonant" are phonetic distinctions, not letter distinctions. "We're sorry" is pronounced ([[Wikipedia:IPA chart for English|IPA]]) /wi:r sɒˈri:/ - both /i/s and the /ɒ/ are the vowels. It is simply that the large majority of vowel sounds are represented in English with A-E-I-O-U which is why they're called the 5 vowels. So we then have 2 definitions of "vowel" - a vowel ''phoneme'' (which is relevant for the "there's at least one vowel in every syllable" rule) or a vowel ''letter'' (strictly A-E-I-O-U, possibly Y depending on who you ask). The confusion only comes when you get the two confused - for example a syllable does not require A-E-I-O-U(-Y), just a vowel phoneme. Getting back to the point, it's impossible to pronounce words completely without vowel phonemes, /ə/ slips in everywhere (/wər sər/ is as far as you can take "we're sorry"). "Removing all the vowels" only makes sense from a vowel letter view, in which case Y only applies if whoever it is wants it to. And now I'm rambling a bit, so I'll stop. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You know... even after all this controversy, it doesn't make a good Fun Fact, since she never mentions taking ALL the vowels out. She says "taking ''the'' vowels out," which, yes, implies ''all'' the vowels, but doesn't say it emphatically. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm confused. Have we reached a conensus yet? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

This is a horrible fun fact. Regardless of whether or not Y is a vowel... the scene is meant to be a pun on internet slang (in AIM saying sry instead of sorry). If they said "'m Srr" it wouldn't be nearly as catchy or funny. I fail to see how this is of interest to anyone. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 02:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The slang term for sorry on the internet IS NOT srr it's Srry. As DMurphy said, it's not about the vowels. I say get rid of the thing.

==The other side of the paper==
When the paper saying "Its over" in on screen, you can see the other side of the paper, which is the image of Strong Bad making out with the Ugly One. I dont know if you can see it on a regular screen, but I can only see it on my Laptop, if I makes the screen darker. - Lord-Z
: I see it too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, and this has already been noted in the transcript. It's been covered just for you ;){{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== References ==
When the Ugly One's father presents her to the party, I am pretty sure that that is a reference to the MTV show, My Super Sweet Sixteen. Am I correct? --[[User:ItalianBallerina|ItalianBallerina]]

No, this is just a common practice at sweet sixteens. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Breakin? ==
When Strong Bad says "Arrow'd II: Electric- wait a minute!", it seems to be a reference to "Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo", a movie which has been mentioned on the site before. [[User:TheSyndicate88|TheSyndicate88]]
:Check the fun facts, dude. It's already in there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Olympic Coach's Voice? ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Olympic coach is the only TGS character not voiced by Strong Bad. If so, do you think that's a worthy fun fact? [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:What about Mr. Pitters?

:Also the vultures as they are eating Mr. Pitters do not have a Strong Bad-type voice. Maybe Fatty's Big Chance as well. The voice is grainy and rough, but not as much as the other characters. --[[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 22:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

==Has 3D Been Used Before?==
I think 3D was used before. On [[The Luau]], the tofu seems to be spinning in 3D. -[[User:Lotionman|Lotionman]] 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)Lotionman
:I think what has everybody so excited is that in this one the ''camera'' moved in 3D. Though I'm not sure it took anything more than plain ol' Flash to do that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Don't forget the opening to [[The Interview]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
:True, but the animation here seems a lot smoother than that, with the spinning camera sequence, What's-her-face spinning and Strong Bad's movements at the end of the toon.
::Only because the framerate is higher. Flash's default framerate is 12fps - which is about the lower limit for most people being able to distinguish animations from a series of pictures. TGS10 is 20fps - so a lot of the animations are smoother. I've looked with the decompiler - just trust me when I say that What's Her Face spinning is done exactly the same way that they do Strong Bad's head turning to look from side to side. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Pictures from the Party ==

I made an image of the pan across the party, showing the minor characters appearing in attendance. It'd make a nice picture for somewhere, I think. (I had the idea of making it just a link, not an actual picture, and putting it in the issue 10 article somewhere. [[Duck Guardian One]] has an example of this in the Trivia section.) One thing though: the picture is roughly four or five times bigger in file size than what's normally recommended to upload. So I thought I'd tell people before acting, just in case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Pwn ==
Is pwn a reference to [http://www.purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage]? Because thats basically the only other place I've heard it. - [[User:Faro1|Faro1]]
:It's vice versa - Pure Pwnage is a referance to the word pwn. Look at the [[Wikipedia:Pwn|wikipedia link]] from the article. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad they made fun of that term. Can't we just correct the typo and call it "ownage?" -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

== Goof or Remark ==
[[Image:Babydaddy.PNG|100px|thumb]]
<div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''In the rotational scene, Cheerleader's ''baby daddy'' seems to come out of her dress.''</div>

:I think this inconsistancy was a mistake made by the Brothers Chaps, therefore a goof. However, It's dot com insists otherwise, rendering it a Remark. What is it? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I'm not saying they did it ''on purpose'' per se. I ''am'' saying that because this sequence is the first of its kind on the site, they would have paid it extra special attention. Therefore, TBC would have realized the type is doing what it does. Maybe they actually did do it intentionally. Maybe they saw how it turned out and liked what they got. Or maybe there was some technical limitation that made it like it is. It doesn't really matter, because the point is that they didn't ''mistakingly'' do it the way they did. I mean, let's give them a ''little'' credit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 21:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I don't know how this could happen to make it a goof. There's no way they would have programmed the words to ''not'' be on the shirt and not have noticed. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Goof.''' Now I don't know for sure if it'd be easy to fix or not, but it seems to me they could have just omitted the "ba" and "da" to get a favorable result. If they noticed it, they probably figured it was just one frame and not worth fixing. But that doesn't change the fact that it is still a goof - missed or seen and ignored. This seems to be just as much of a goof as all the other ones written down there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}</s>
*'''Goof.''' When I posted it, I put it on goofs. I'm with Joshua on this one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' Paying attention or not, the writing is off the shirt. That says ''goof'' to me. We don't know their intentions. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**The fact that we don't know their intentions is a prime reason for it to be a remark. I'd rather err on the side of TBC here. Calling it a remark when it was a goof doesn't make it less true, and leaves it open to interpretation. Calling it a goof when it really wasn't stigmatizes it unnecessarily. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Just because they don't bother to fix it doesn't mean it's not a goof. If we followed your standards, then we'd have to move a lot, maybe almost all, of the goofs to remarks. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**Not at all. I'm trying to emphasize that they would not have been careless here, since the effect is new and unique. I believe they have both of these things here exactly how they want them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
* <s>'''Remark.''' After going through it frame by frame, I discovered that Cheerleader's text is floating off the ENTIRE thing, all three times, rather than the single frame that I thought before. So now I think TBC did it to make the overall thing look better when moving quickly, to make the 3D stand out more. But it still deserves mention. And a better picture. (It's hard to see what's what in the currect pic.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)</s>
* [[Image:sbfacemask.png|thumb|right|Strong Bad's head, with and without masking]] '''Glitch''' - some explination of how TBC make things rotate is in order. Making a realistic rotation would be very time consuming, and you'd need to draw almost every frame to get it to look smooth. However, TBC take a shortcut - almost everything they make that rotates is just a plain sphere with a thing added on it, eg Strong Bad's face or his shoelace thingy - apart from that his head is perfectly round - so when they rotate his head left and right only the face and shoelace have to move, the actual head can stay still. Now for the second shortcut - when his face moves around his head, they don't actually do anything fancy to make it go "around" - they just move it straight from left to right, no distortion, no parallax, nothing. Then they take a mask the shape of SB's head and use it to crop the face to the head. The result - it looks like the face is going around the head. Look at the picture on the right if you're not sure what I mean. If the effect isn't strong enough they add things like skews to make it more real, but for the most part they don't need to. Now we come to Cheerleader's shirt. They did the same thing they always do. They animated everyone's faces and the writing on Cheerleader's dress as moving across them from side to side. Then they added a mask to their faces, but forgot to add a mask to Cheerleader's dress. Hence it is a glitch, I see no reason for them to do this intentionally, and a perfectly good reason for them to do it accidentally. As for Goof vs Glitch, I thought Goofs were things like plot holes, mistakes in the design of the toon, and Glitches were mistakes in the actual building of the toon in Flash, like this. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:'''Thank you''', Phlip. For one thing, I had been wondering about the seemingly indiscriminate and interchangeable use of "Goof" and "Glitch." Seems to me a lot of Goofs around here need moving... Also, thanks for finally providing some insight on the way the Flash stuff worked. I agree it's a Flash-generated glitch, but for the record I'm not ''necessarily'' saying they didn't notice it and think it was cool. I think it's kinda cool myself. It enhances the 3-D-ness of it all, kind of a ViewMaster moment. :) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glitch.''' Shifting my vote again. Phlip's explanation makes a lot of sense. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glicth.''' I can go for a glitch here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 <div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''When Strong Bad rewinds the 3-D spin around, the "SO GOOD!" speech bubble disappears.''</div>

:Same deal here as above. The bubble was there, then it wasn't. All that happened was a rewind and replay. OOPS. Seems pretty clear, and the note is still there. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I really can't imagine how this could be accidental. I just don't see TBC watching this toon later and slapping their heads: "We forgot to keep the speech bubble there!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I know ''I'' wouldn't want to deal with animating a speech bubble if I had a Monday deadline. I don't know how a rotating speech bubble would work realistically, so I think they probably took it out so people wouldn't look at it and say "wow, that just doesn't look good" if they got it wrong. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
***Look closely - they already did a rotating speach bubble the first time they spin around - it's just not there when they spin the second time... <s>So, '''Glitch'''</s>. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' But this differs from the above. Although I doubt TBC did this without noticing, it is an "inconsistancy," which officially makes a [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|goof]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} (You know, we really are fighting over nothing. :P)

The wording of the Standard you linked is: "...if things mysteriously vanish or appear (and it's not obviously intentional...)." Personally I have a problem with that wording; I would move it be changed to "obviously ''not'' intentional." Little change, big difference. First of all, let's all notice that they ''did'' animate the rotating speech bubble on the first rotation, okay? Then it disappears because they're done talking. Now if it was in fact an omission, it was a pretty big honkin' one; it's not like the [[A Folky Tale#Goofs|grass around Strong Sad]]; it's a huge... well, thing. My personal opinion is that they left it off the second time because this rotation is essentially a ''visual'' effect, and they didn't want it to get in the way of the effect. If it was in fact an omission, it would have to be a last-minute, bleary-eyed, semi-conscious one (which doesn't fit the quality of the rest of the 'toon). I'm staying non-commital as usual, but I find the arguments for not even mentioning this one pretty strong. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
: "Not obviously intentional" conveys the meaning I intended when I wrote that better than "Obviously not intentional." For instance, with the "baby daddy" thing, it's not obviously not intentional, but it's not obviously intentional either. (If you can parse that.) However, the disagreement here is on just what IS obvious in this case. This much is obvious: they didn't just reverse and repeat the scene, since the speech bubble is missing. Maybe they just felt like drawing it twice, maybe the second time was an earlier version, or maybe it was intentional. And, at any rate, I'm not willing to call it a "Goof," because it's really not needed (speech bubbles are not physical objects in the real world, so its non-inclusion doesn't really affect what's happening in the scene at all.) So '''remark.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:43, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
::I agree with what Jay is saying and I maintain that it is a remark. On the other hand, it is pretty obvious by just watching the toon, so like AbdiViklas hinted, perhaps '''it should just go unmentioned.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The more I think about this the more it seems the must have tried just reversing the whole scene, speech bubble inclusive, and realised it didn't look very good (I mean, the speech bubble disappeared when they finished talking and String Bad started talking, and it would look weird for it to return), so they removed it. So I'm changing my vote to '''either put it in the transcript or leave it out entirely, probably the latter'''. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Making out ==

Is this the first time we've ever seen Strong Bad actually make out with something? I mean, he's always gone on about it. If it really is the first time I think it's worthy of a mention in the article somehow.
:It think this is the first time we've seen him... kissing. I think it's noteworthy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
i thought that was discusting....i had too close down the window and turn the
volume all the way down!-[[User:Timmy!]]

its also the first time we have seen strong bad eating a girl, atleast the paper 1 is drawn on, tbc have been getting a LITTLE r rated with that!@!
and actually if you count fan hallloweeen costumes we did see "strong bad" making out with a girl before
:And if we put in that Strong Bad ate a girl, people are going to jump to the wrong idea.

1: He wasn't eating the girl, he was trying to make out with the girl on the piece of paper, not eat her. 2: How is making out "R-rated"? [[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]] 21:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Accents ==

Possible goof - when one of the three scotsmen speaks (to say 'BAGH! Only 23 metres!), he's speaking with an irish accent.

What? I think that it's Scottish. Plus, corn is no place for a mighty warrior! --{{User:The 386/sig}} 23:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:People do that often (try to do a Scottish accent and wind up Irish). What we hear here is only a rough approximation hinting at a vaguely British-Isles accent. But please see the definition of [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|a goof]] (also linked just a little way up the page). A goof is not when TBC fail to meet our expectations; it's when they fail to meet ''theirs''. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, man! What would the accents mean? I am just concerned. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10

Clever Ben — Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:07:18 GMT

Clever Ben: Comment

==TGS Issue Picture==
Which picture should we use? [[Image:Mightywarrior.PNG|thumb|"Mightywarrior.PNG"]][[Image:TeenGirlSquad10.PNG|thumb|"TeenGirlSquad10.PNG"]]

Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt
:The lower one definitely. It shows the theme of the episode better. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Stan! ==

In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?

Easter Egg? If this exists why isn't it listed? --[[User:Mrdude|jake]] 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== New Software ==

I think the reason for the new animation is TBC got some new animation software and they wanted to test it out. [[User:DaChazman|DaChazman]]

It's all done with Flash. If it were done with Flash 8 (the new one) we'd know. [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Besides, with simple characters like that, you can do that with a few masks and shape tweens. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I know there's some software that can export 3D animation to flash. It's called [http://www.erain.com Swift 3D]. However, I dont know if TBC are using it. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

:They're not. There's nothing fancy with the rotation that they haven't done before, eg in [[funny]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, good point. That software is expensive anyway. Too expensive for a 1 second rotation. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

== 3-D? I don't even know what that is! ==

I move that all instances of the word 3-D be replaced with the word 3D. Who's with me, eh? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Can somebody who knows something about 3D software confirm that the "We got a spinner" gag is a reference to the bizarre glitches that such software sometimes create (elements moving by themselves in weird ways)? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I found it to be a reference to CGI animation glitches like the ones shown under special features of Pixar movies.---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]] 19:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I was thinking of; like the monster's hair in Monsters Inc. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

: You're wrong, BTW. [[Wikipedia:3D|3D]] is an auto-redirect to [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:And m-w.com doesn't recognize [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=3d&book=Dictionary 3D], only 3-D. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

==Inside references==
In the party sequence, I know all the TGS inside references are listed in the cast of characters at the beginning, but is there any other appropriate way to mention it elsewhere? Say, an inside reference that simply says "See the Cast of Characters?" Also, can someone confirm my suspicion that this contains ''every'' TGS character seen to date (even a reference to Brett!), and that it's the first TGS to include a shot of the "real world," or of regular H*R characters other than Strong Bad? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about your first question, but I can answer your second and third ones:
*2: No, it does not contain every TGS character to date. For example, the Floor Tom and the Vulture/Bat don't appear. See the Minor TGS Characters page for a bunch of characters that fail to appear.
*3: Yes and no. It is the first episode to show the "real world", but [[Pom Pom]] appears in episode #8.
:Hope that helps. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
::This ''is'', however, the first TGS to show any character--including Strong Bad--outside of the comic's world. Pom Pom in issue 8 was still a drawing, as was Strong Bad's cameo appearances in issues 1, 8, and 9. This is the first time a TGS episode has had not-drawings in it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Actually, Strong Bad Email #53, "comic" also features TGS and "not-drawings" together. Which is the "official" TGS #1, anyway?
:::The Vultures do appear. See the bottom left corner of the scene where Manolios is introducing The Ugly One. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:55, 10 October 2005 (BST)
::::Sorry, I meant the Vulture from issue #2. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Vowels ==
Vowels are A-E-I-O-U "Y" is not a vowel :p
:Sometimes it is. It's being used as a vowel in this case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::From the Wikipedia: "In the standard English language, the letter [[Wikipedia:Y|Y]] is traditionally regarded as a consonant, but as a survey of almost any English text, including this one, will show, Y more commonly functions as a vowel." So our anonymous friend is right. Y is not a vowel. And sign your posts.{{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Also from Wikipedia: The name "vowel" is often used for the symbols used for representing vowel sounds in a language's writing system, particularly if the language uses an alphabet. In the Latin alphabet, the vowel letters are usually A, E, I, O, U, and in some languages Y, as in English. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 19:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh yeah, because an entirely user-edited encyclopaedia can NEVER contradict itself. Why don't we go with the majority and accept that Y is NOT a vowel?
::::[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefEdList.aspx?refid=210026329 Encarta] seems to agree as well. After all, the way most schools teach vowels is A-E-I-O-U and SOMETIMES Y. In "sorry," Y is a vowel, as it is nearly impossible to construct a meaningful syllable without a vowel. Does "syzygy" also have no vowels in it? No. ... Okay, I rambled. Sorry. But Y is a vowel in this case. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::: Because it is. The word "vowel" denotes how the letter is used, not what the letter is. As it happens, Y isn't the only "consonant" that can be used as a vowel (W is common, and G and H show up often too.) It's just that the five letters most commonly called "vowels" are the ones NEVER used as consonants. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

"Vowel" and "consonant" are phonetic distinctions, not letter distinctions. "We're sorry" is pronounced ([[Wikipedia:IPA chart for English|IPA]]) /wi:r sɒˈri:/ - both /i/s and the /ɒ/ are the vowels. It is simply that the large majority of vowel sounds are represented in English with A-E-I-O-U which is why they're called the 5 vowels. So we then have 2 definitions of "vowel" - a vowel ''phoneme'' (which is relevant for the "there's at least one vowel in every syllable" rule) or a vowel ''letter'' (strictly A-E-I-O-U, possibly Y depending on who you ask). The confusion only comes when you get the two confused - for example a syllable does not require A-E-I-O-U(-Y), just a vowel phoneme. Getting back to the point, it's impossible to pronounce words completely without vowel phonemes, /ə/ slips in everywhere (/wər sər/ is as far as you can take "we're sorry"). "Removing all the vowels" only makes sense from a vowel letter view, in which case Y only applies if whoever it is wants it to. And now I'm rambling a bit, so I'll stop. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You know... even after all this controversy, it doesn't make a good Fun Fact, since she never mentions taking ALL the vowels out. She says "taking ''the'' vowels out," which, yes, implies ''all'' the vowels, but doesn't say it emphatically. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm confused. Have we reached a conensus yet? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

This is a horrible fun fact. Regardless of whether or not Y is a vowel... the scene is meant to be a pun on internet slang (in AIM saying sry instead of sorry). If they said "'m Srr" it wouldn't be nearly as catchy or funny. I fail to see how this is of interest to anyone. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 02:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The slang term for sorry on the internet IS NOT srr it's Srry. As DMurphy said, it's not about the vowels. I say get rid of the thing.

==The other side of the paper==
When the paper saying "Its over" in on screen, you can see the other side of the paper, which is the image of Strong Bad making out with the Ugly One. I dont know if you can see it on a regular screen, but I can only see it on my Laptop, if I makes the screen darker. - Lord-Z
: I see it too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, and this has already been noted in the transcript. It's been covered just for you ;){{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== References ==
When the Ugly One's father presents her to the party, I am pretty sure that that is a reference to the MTV show, My Super Sweet Sixteen. Am I correct? --[[User:ItalianBallerina|ItalianBallerina]]

No, this is just a common practice at sweet sixteens. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Breakin? ==
When Strong Bad says "Arrow'd II: Electric- wait a minute!", it seems to be a reference to "Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo", a movie which has been mentioned on the site before. [[User:TheSyndicate88|TheSyndicate88]]
:Check the fun facts, dude. It's already in there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Olympic Coach's Voice? ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Olympic coach is the only TGS character not voiced by Strong Bad. If so, do you think that's a worthy fun fact? [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:What about Mr. Pitters?

:Also the vultures as they are eating Mr. Pitters do not have a Strong Bad-type voice. Maybe Fatty's Big Chance as well. The voice is grainy and rough, but not as much as the other characters. --[[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 22:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

==Has 3D Been Used Before?==
I think 3D was used before. On [[The Luau]], the tofu seems to be spinning in 3D. -[[User:Lotionman|Lotionman]] 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)Lotionman
:I think what has everybody so excited is that in this one the ''camera'' moved in 3D. Though I'm not sure it took anything more than plain ol' Flash to do that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Don't forget the opening to [[The Interview]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
:True, but the animation here seems a lot smoother than that, with the spinning camera sequence, What's-her-face spinning and Strong Bad's movements at the end of the toon.
::Only because the framerate is higher. Flash's default framerate is 12fps - which is about the lower limit for most people being able to distinguish animations from a series of pictures. TGS10 is 20fps - so a lot of the animations are smoother. I've looked with the decompiler - just trust me when I say that What's Her Face spinning is done exactly the same way that they do Strong Bad's head turning to look from side to side. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Pictures from the Party ==

I made an image of the pan across the party, showing the minor characters appearing in attendance. It'd make a nice picture for somewhere, I think. (I had the idea of making it just a link, not an actual picture, and putting it in the issue 10 article somewhere. [[Duck Guardian One]] has an example of this in the Trivia section.) One thing though: the picture is roughly four or five times bigger in file size than what's normally recommended to upload. So I thought I'd tell people before acting, just in case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Pwn ==
Is pwn a reference to [http://www.purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage]? Because thats basically the only other place I've heard it. - [[User:Faro1|Faro1]]
:It's vice versa - Pure Pwnage is a referance to the word pwn. Look at the [[Wikipedia:Pwn|wikipedia link]] from the article. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad they made fun of that term. Can't we just correct the typo and call it "ownage?" -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

== Goof or Remark ==
[[Image:Babydaddy.PNG|100px|thumb]]
<div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''In the rotational scene, Cheerleader's ''baby daddy'' seems to come out of her dress.''</div>

:I think this inconsistancy was a mistake made by the Brothers Chaps, therefore a goof. However, It's dot com insists otherwise, rendering it a Remark. What is it? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I'm not saying they did it ''on purpose'' per se. I ''am'' saying that because this sequence is the first of its kind on the site, they would have paid it extra special attention. Therefore, TBC would have realized the type is doing what it does. Maybe they actually did do it intentionally. Maybe they saw how it turned out and liked what they got. Or maybe there was some technical limitation that made it like it is. It doesn't really matter, because the point is that they didn't ''mistakingly'' do it the way they did. I mean, let's give them a ''little'' credit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 21:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I don't know how this could happen to make it a goof. There's no way they would have programmed the words to ''not'' be on the shirt and not have noticed. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Goof.''' Now I don't know for sure if it'd be easy to fix or not, but it seems to me they could have just omitted the "ba" and "da" to get a favorable result. If they noticed it, they probably figured it was just one frame and not worth fixing. But that doesn't change the fact that it is still a goof - missed or seen and ignored. This seems to be just as much of a goof as all the other ones written down there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}</s>
*'''Goof.''' When I posted it, I put it on goofs. I'm with Joshua on this one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' Paying attention or not, the writing is off the shirt. That says ''goof'' to me. We don't know their intentions. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**The fact that we don't know their intentions is a prime reason for it to be a remark. I'd rather err on the side of TBC here. Calling it a remark when it was a goof doesn't make it less true, and leaves it open to interpretation. Calling it a goof when it really wasn't stigmatizes it unnecessarily. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Just because they don't bother to fix it doesn't mean it's not a goof. If we followed your standards, then we'd have to move a lot, maybe almost all, of the goofs to remarks. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**Not at all. I'm trying to emphasize that they would not have been careless here, since the effect is new and unique. I believe they have both of these things here exactly how they want them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
* <s>'''Remark.''' After going through it frame by frame, I discovered that Cheerleader's text is floating off the ENTIRE thing, all three times, rather than the single frame that I thought before. So now I think TBC did it to make the overall thing look better when moving quickly, to make the 3D stand out more. But it still deserves mention. And a better picture. (It's hard to see what's what in the currect pic.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)</s>
* [[Image:sbfacemask.png|thumb|right|Strong Bad's head, with and without masking]] '''Glitch''' - some explination of how TBC make things rotate is in order. Making a realistic rotation would be very time consuming, and you'd need to draw almost every frame to get it to look smooth. However, TBC take a shortcut - almost everything they make that rotates is just a plain sphere with a thing added on it, eg Strong Bad's face or his shoelace thingy - apart from that his head is perfectly round - so when they rotate his head left and right only the face and shoelace have to move, the actual head can stay still. Now for the second shortcut - when his face moves around his head, they don't actually do anything fancy to make it go "around" - they just move it straight from left to right, no distortion, no parallax, nothing. Then they take a mask the shape of SB's head and use it to crop the face to the head. The result - it looks like the face is going around the head. Look at the picture on the right if you're not sure what I mean. If the effect isn't strong enough they add things like skews to make it more real, but for the most part they don't need to. Now we come to Cheerleader's shirt. They did the same thing they always do. They animated everyone's faces and the writing on Cheerleader's dress as moving across them from side to side. Then they added a mask to their faces, but forgot to add a mask to Cheerleader's dress. Hence it is a glitch, I see no reason for them to do this intentionally, and a perfectly good reason for them to do it accidentally. As for Goof vs Glitch, I thought Goofs were things like plot holes, mistakes in the design of the toon, and Glitches were mistakes in the actual building of the toon in Flash, like this. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:'''Thank you''', Phlip. For one thing, I had been wondering about the seemingly indiscriminate and interchangeable use of "Goof" and "Glitch." Seems to me a lot of Goofs around here need moving... Also, thanks for finally providing some insight on the way the Flash stuff worked. I agree it's a Flash-generated glitch, but for the record I'm not ''necessarily'' saying they didn't notice it and think it was cool. I think it's kinda cool myself. It enhances the 3-D-ness of it all, kind of a ViewMaster moment. :) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glitch.''' Shifting my vote again. Phlip's explanation makes a lot of sense. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glicth.''' I can go for a glitch here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

 <div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''When Strong Bad rewinds the 3-D spin around, the "SO GOOD!" speech bubble disappears.''</div>

:Same deal here as above. The bubble was there, then it wasn't. All that happened was a rewind and replay. OOPS. Seems pretty clear, and the note is still there. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I really can't imagine how this could be accidental. I just don't see TBC watching this toon later and slapping their heads: "We forgot to keep the speech bubble there!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I know ''I'' wouldn't want to deal with animating a speech bubble if I had a Monday deadline. I don't know how a rotating speech bubble would work realistically, so I think they probably took it out so people wouldn't look at it and say "wow, that just doesn't look good" if they got it wrong. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
***Look closely - they already did a rotating speach bubble the first time they spin around - it's just not there when they spin the second time... <s>So, '''Glitch'''</s>. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' But this differs from the above. Although I doubt TBC did this without noticing, it is an "inconsistancy," which officially makes a [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|goof]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} (You know, we really are fighting over nothing. :P)

The wording of the Standard you linked is: "...if things mysteriously vanish or appear (and it's not obviously intentional...)." Personally I have a problem with that wording; I would move it be changed to "obviously ''not'' intentional." Little change, big difference. First of all, let's all notice that they ''did'' animate the rotating speech bubble on the first rotation, okay? Then it disappears because they're done talking. Now if it was in fact an omission, it was a pretty big honkin' one; it's not like the [[A Folky Tale#Goofs|grass around Strong Sad]]; it's a huge... well, thing. My personal opinion is that they left it off the second time because this rotation is essentially a ''visual'' effect, and they didn't want it to get in the way of the effect. If it was in fact an omission, it would have to be a last-minute, bleary-eyed, semi-conscious one (which doesn't fit the quality of the rest of the 'toon). I'm staying non-commital as usual, but I find the arguments for not even mentioning this one pretty strong. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
: "Not obviously intentional" conveys the meaning I intended when I wrote that better than "Obviously not intentional." For instance, with the "baby daddy" thing, it's not obviously not intentional, but it's not obviously intentional either. (If you can parse that.) However, the disagreement here is on just what IS obvious in this case. This much is obvious: they didn't just reverse and repeat the scene, since the speech bubble is missing. Maybe they just felt like drawing it twice, maybe the second time was an earlier version, or maybe it was intentional. And, at any rate, I'm not willing to call it a "Goof," because it's really not needed (speech bubbles are not physical objects in the real world, so its non-inclusion doesn't really affect what's happening in the scene at all.) So '''remark.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:43, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
::I agree with what Jay is saying and I maintain that it is a remark. On the other hand, it is pretty obvious by just watching the toon, so like AbdiViklas hinted, perhaps '''it should just go unmentioned.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The more I think about this the more it seems the must have tried just reversing the whole scene, speech bubble inclusive, and realised it didn't look very good (I mean, the speech bubble disappeared when they finished talking and String Bad started talking, and it would look weird for it to return), so they removed it. So I'm changing my vote to '''either put it in the transcript or leave it out entirely, probably the latter'''. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Making out ==

Is this the first time we've ever seen Strong Bad actually make out with something? I mean, he's always gone on about it. If it really is the first time I think it's worthy of a mention in the article somehow.
:It think this is the first time we've seen him... kissing. I think it's noteworthy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
i thought that was discusting....i had too close down the window and turn the
volume all the way down!-[[User:Timmy!]]

its also the first time we have seen strong bad eating a girl, atleast the paper 1 is drawn on, tbc have been getting a LITTLE r rated with that!@!
and actually if you count fan hallloweeen costumes we did see "strong bad" making out with a girl before
:And if we put in that Strong Bad ate a girl, people are going to jump to the wrong idea.

1: He wasn't eating the girl, he was trying to make out with the girl on the piece of paper, not eat her. 2: How is making out "R-rated"? 21:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Accents ==

Possible goof - when one of the three scotsmen speaks (to say 'BAGH! Only 23 metres!), he's speaking with an irish accent.

What? I think that it's Scottish. Plus, corn is no place for a mighty warrior! --{{User:The 386/sig}} 23:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:People do that often (try to do a Scottish accent and wind up Irish). What we hear here is only a rough approximation hinting at a vaguely British-Isles accent. But please see the definition of [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|a goof]] (also linked just a little way up the page). A goof is not when TBC fail to meet our expectations; it's when they fail to meet ''theirs''. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, man! What would the accents mean? I am just concerned. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The Office

Clever Ben — Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:42:29 GMT

Clever Ben: Updated

[[Image:theoffice.png|thumb|left|220px|In all its glory]]
[[Image:biz cas fri.JPG|thumb|right|Real-life time!]]
'''The Office''' is where [[Strong Bad]] and [[Homestar Runner]] "work." Strong Bad works in a cubicle with a computer. He likes to put comic strips and [[Sticky Notes|Post-it notes]] on the walls, the latter of which he believes will save the company millions. Homestar's work area has not yet been featured. The office has a wood-paneled boardroom equipped with a [[Wikipedia:Whiteboard|dry-erase board]]. [[Shareholders]] meet there to discuss the earnings.

Their work seems to involve multi-tasking, or creating the illusion of multi-tasking when they report to their superiors in the (supposed) company.
 
== Complete Filmography ==
*'''Debut:''' [[dullard]]
*[[Senor Mortgage]]
*[[other days]]
*[[Biz Cas Fri 1]]
*[[Biz Cas Fri 2]]
*[[Biz Cas Fri 3]]

[[Category: Places]]

User:Clever Ben

Clever Ben — Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:46:43 GMT

Clever Ben:

Oh, hello. I am called Clever Ben, aka GiGA BOWSDOR THE BURNiNAT, aka Ingiald, aka...um...C...E...5. As you should have guessed, I got my name from Sbemail [[sibbie]], where Strong Bad calls The Cheat "Clever Dan". As you might have also guessed, my real name is Benjamin. My email adress is bjrussell91@bellsouth.net. I live in Georgia, pretty near Atlanta.

My favorite Homestarrunner.com character is [[The Cheat|Ðə Chæt]]. I guess he's my favorite character because no one knows what the crap he is. I mean, we know he's a mammal, because he has fur, but it's not very clear after that point. I always guessed that his "hands" are really wings, since they sorta look like wings. Maybe he's a flying-squirrel type creature.

My favorite SBemail is [[virus]]. I guess it's 'cause it is so random, and the fact that it tears the 4th wall to shreds.

Talk:Blue Laser Babies

Clever Ben — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:49:33 GMT

Clever Ben: Explained

==Cloned==
I think they were definitely cloned.

Don't clones still need mothers? [[User:DanielLC|Daniel]] 00:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

No, they don't. [[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
== Why the heck do they have eyepatches? ==
It's probably because they were born with eye diesese, or they just look stylish.

record book

Clever Ben — Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:04:05 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Explanation

[[Image:record book.png|thumb|"Biggest Waste of Dump" award]]

'''Strong Bad Email #134'''

Strong Bad gathers records for the "Count Longardeaux's Book of Party Tricks, Redneck Jokes, and Worldly Records".

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, [[Little Strong Bad]], {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Homsar}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Sad's Room]], [[King of Town's Castle]], [[The Field]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 25, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:49

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Drape it over your aaaaaaarms, step out in styyyyyle, Strong Bad Emaaaaaaail... ''{starts reading}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: records</div>
dear strong bad, 
i was wondering if you were in the record book. if so, 
what for? 
nathan, tx</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "tx" as "Tee-Ex", as in the individual letters.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oooh, the Nathan TX! That has, like, way four more cylinders than the standard Nathan. Better Blue Book value, too. I can't remember if I'm in the record book or not. Seems like I should be. Let's take a look. A book-look!

''{Cut to a table. Strong Bad places "THE RECORD BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS The Book!" on the table.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, let's see what we got in here.

''{He opens the book to page 42. The page shows a picture of a really dirty Coach Z with an afro and moustache, and reads "Chapter 4 - Records of Smell, Longest Showering Streak 65 Days, 3 Hours, 42 Minutes: COACH Z."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sixty-five days?! That's ''way'' outdated! I'm pretty sure he's surpassed that one by several fortnights at this point.

''{Turns to page 116. This page shows young Strong Bad in a diaper and reads "Chapter 4 - Records of Smell, Dirtiest Diapey, Very, Very Dirty: LIL' STRONG BAD."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Dirtiest Diape— Whoa! ''{throws eggs, bacon, and coffee on the page and makes coughing noises}'' Coffee eggs bacon! Oh, too bad, I accidentally made breakfast all over whatever that record was for.

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Clearly, this book is in serious need of an update. Let's begin with the title. How about: Count Longardeaux's Book of Party Tricks, Redneck Jokes, and Worldly Records. ''{The book appears}'' Now ''that'' sounds like a book worthy of every toilet-side magazine basket. Now let's go see about updating some o' them records.

''{He gets up. We now see Strong Sad, holding a magnifying glass and writing on grains of rice. His face is slitghtly magnified. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' 'Sup, double-bottom? How much you weigh?

'''STRONG SAD:''' What do you wanna know that for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Count Longardeaux has me out gathering up new records ''{holds up a clipboard, which has a paper on it that reads "who the fattest?"}'' for his record book.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh! Well then ''this'' should interest you! I've transcribed ''Paradise Lost'' onto this single grain of basmati rice! ''{Cut to a view of the rice grain through the magnifying glass.}'' In four languages!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, yeah! That ''definitely'' deserves a record!

''{A buzzer is heard and a page of the book is shown. It reads "Chapter 7 - Records of Loneliness, Biggest Waste of Dump: Strong "The Biggest Waste of Dump" Sad." The picture shows Strong Sad looking through his magnifying glass at the camera.}''

''{Cut to the King of Town's castle. The King of Town is seen with a giant pile of salt in front of him. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, King o' Town, I need some disgusting eating records. Why don't you just, uh, have lunch, and I'm sure you'll set several without even trying.

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ooh! I like eating lunch! Today I'm having a giant pile of salt!

''{The camera pans over, and we can now see the entire pile. We can also see a salt shaker sitting near the pile. The King sucks it all in in one gulp, like a vacuum cleaner, including the salt shaker.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! Nice woik!

''{The King seems to hiccup three times.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What, you got-a some hiccups?

''{The King "hiccups" again.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Nope. Those, my friend, are heart attacks!

''{Another buzzer, another page that reads "Chapter 3 - Disgusting Eating/Old Person Records, Least Healthiest (Man?): The King of Town." The King "hiccups" again.}''

''{Cut to Homestar Runner in The Field on his soapbox, which now reads "THIRTEEN, Y'ALL."}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What do you call a redneck, with no teeth, that watches stock car racing all day? Ba-ha-ha-haaa! Man, they do not wear shirts!

''{Cut to Strong Bad and Coach Z, also in The Field.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, Coach Z, what kind of wonderment do you have in store for us? That's not shower-related?

'''COACH Z:''' Well, I'm gonna set the world record for puttin' nine pieces ''{starts putting gum on his face}'' of chewed gum up on my face and singin' the "I'm Just Me" song and hoppin' around on one foot! ''{He starts hopping on one foot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Coach...

'''COACH Z:''' ''{singing}'' I'm just me! ''{Strong Bad shakes his head.}'' Can't you see? ''{Strong Bad starts hitting himself.}'' I'm just a silly little bumblebee!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Augh, please stop! ''{Coach Z stops hopping and singing, but remains on one foot.}'' Look, you can't just make up some random crap that no one else will ever do and call that a "record." ''{Cut to Homsar, hopping on one foot with gum on his face. Music starts.}'' Count Longardeaux would not stand for it!

'''HOMSAR:''' I'm just me! Can't you see? I'm just a silly little bumblebee!

''{Homestar pops up.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What does a redneck man call some dead possum, lyin' in the middle of the road? Ba-ha-ha-haa! Probably sushi!

''{An unseen audience groans.}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, I think we're just about done here. Strong Mad set the record ''{A page of the book that reads "Chapter 2 - Special Records, Most Macaronis Nailed To A Paper Towel Tube... By Strong Mad (Just One!): Strong Mad." The picture shows Strong Mad holding his tube.}'' for Most Macaronis Nailed To A Paper Towel Tube...By Strong Mad. ''{Another page, "Chapter 11 - Records of Smell/Track and Field, Pole Vault, 20 ft. 1.5 in.: Marzipan" appears. This one has no picture, and instead there is a black box that reads "Suprisingly, No Photo Available."}'' Marzipan set the World Record for the pole vault. And Bubs won Cutest Couple. ''{Yet another page, this one reading "Chapter 9 - Superlatives, Cutest Couple: Bubs" with a picture of Bubs (and no one else) trying to look cute.}'' Oh, wait, I forgot about me. I ''gots'' to get in this record book somehow. I'll get the record for...

''{Cut back to show The Cheat standing nearby.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{says something}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What?! "Most rectangular mouth?!" My mouth can be round!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{says something}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What a bunch of bull ''{making his mouth as round as possible}'' hooOOooo00o00000oOOOOOOOeeOOOo0000—

''{A buzzer is heard, followed by a page appears that reads "Chapter 7 - Saying Words For A Long Time Records, Longest 'Bull Honkey', 13.4 Seconds: The Human Strong Bad." The picture shows Strong Bad in the same position he was just seen in.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —nkey. Bull honkey.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down. Instead of the normal Back button, Count Longardeaux's image has a speech bubble reading "Back" in its place.}''

==Easter Eggs==

*Near the beginning, click on "standard Nathan" to see a drawing of "Standard Nathan" (some generic man) on notebook paper.
**As the picture zooms in, it shows "the Nathan TX" appears, which shows a weird smiling car in front of Standard Nathan. It is labelled "built-in smoke" (pointing to its exhaust), "three front wheels" (pointing to its multiple front wheels), and "nathan" (pointing to Nathan).
*When the King of Town is eating the salt, click on the salt shaker to see a can of "Standard Nathan" Brand salt.
*While Homestar Runner is telling his second redneck joke, click on Homsar in the background to see his record page. It reads "Chapter 81 - Awkwardness, The Semi-Annual Mustard Man Award Or Best Offer!: Homsar" and shows Homsar with the gum on his face and his hat over his eyes.

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}
===Explanations===
*On Coach Z's old record, Strong Bad remarks "I'm sure he's surpassed that by several fortnights at this point." A fortnight is a unit of time equivalent to 14 days or two weeks.
===Remarks===
*Little Strong Bad is referred to as "Lil' Strong Bad" in the record book, rather than with the proper abbrevation "Li'l."
*As of July 25, 2005, the women's world record for [[Wikipedia:pole vault|pole vault]] was 16 ft, 5 in. That record was set on July 22, 2005. The men's world record was 20 ft, 1.75 in.
*Though Strong Bad's record says "13.4 seconds", he only says "Boll Honkey" for 10.5 seconds, counting both "Bull" and the silent pause before "key". Just the Hooo– bit lasts for 7.9 seconds. However from the time he starts saying "Bull Honkey" to the end of the email is close to 13.4 seconds.

===Goofs===
*Count Longardeaux's book apparently has two chapter sevens — one for "Records of Loneliness" and one for "Saying Words For A Long Time Records."
*Even after the King of Town inhales the saltshaker, the place on the table where it sat can still be clicked for the easter egg.

===Inside References===
*Coach Z was seen with an afro and mustache in [[stand-up]].
*The salt shaker the King of Town is seen eating from is from [[Meet Marshie]].
*Strong Bad says "You got-a some hiccups?" after the King of Town eats the salt, much like he did in [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*The [[Soap Box]] Homestar stands on has been seen before in [[fingers]] and [[army]], with labels reading 11 and 12 respectively (in this email it reads 13).
*The music played while Homsar hops on one foot is from his [[Homsar# Character Video Transcript|character video]].

===Real-World References===
*"Better Blue Book value, too" is referring to the [[Wikipedia:Kelley Blue Book|Kelley Blue Book]], which is a resource book for people who want to buy or sell their used cars. When discussing the price of a used car, people will often check the "Blue Book" for the car's value.
*''[[Wikipedia:Paradise Lost|Paradise Lost]]'' was an epic blank-verse poem written in 1667 by English poet [[Wikipedia:John Milton|John Milton]].
*In the Homsar "Semi-Annual Mustard Man Award" easter egg, "Mustard Man" is a reference to a [http://www.bloggerheads.com/can_weblogs/mustard_man.asp photo] of a guy covered in mustard that circulated around the Internet in 2002.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail134.html|watch "record book"]]
*[[HR:sbemail134.swf|view the Flash file for "record book"]]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=4332 forum thread for "record book"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

User:Clever Ben

Clever Ben — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:08:49 GMT

Clever Ben:

Oh, hello. I am called Clever Ben, aka GiGA BOWSDOR THE BURNiNAT, aka Ingiald, aka...um...C...E...5. As you should have guessed, I got my name from Sbemail [[sibbie]], where Strong Bad calls The Cheat "Clever Dan". As you might have also guessed, my real name is Benjamin. My email adress is bjrussell@bellsouth.net. I live in Georgia, pretty near Atlanta.

My favorite Homestarrunner.com character is [[The Cheat|Ðə Chæt]]. I guess he's my favorite character because no one knows what the crap he is. I mean, we know he's a mammal, because he has fur, but it's not very clear after that point. I always guessed that his "hands" are really wings, since they sorta look like wings. Maybe he's a flying-squirrel type creature.

My favorite SBemail is [[virus]]. I guess it's 'cause it is so random, and the fact that it tears the 4th wall to shreds.

User:Clever Ben

Clever Ben — Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:50:55 GMT

Clever Ben: Added aliases

Oh, hello. I am called Clever Ben, aka GiGA BOWSDOR THE BURNiNAT, aka Ingiald, aka...um...C...E...5. As you should have guessed, I got my name from Sbemail [[sibbie]], where Strong Bad calls The Cheat "Clever Dan". As you might have also guessed, my real name is Benjamin. My email adress is bjrussell@bellsouth.net. I live in Georgia, pretty near Atlanta.

My favorite Homestarrunner.com character is [[The Cheat]]. I guess he's my favorite character because no one knows what the crap he is. I mean, we know he's a mammal, because he has fur, but it's not very clear after that point. I always guessed that his "hands" are really wings, since they sorta look like wings. Maybe he's a flying-squirrel type creature.

My favorite SBemail is [[virus]]. I guess it's 'cause it is so random, and the fact that it tears the 4th wall to shreds.

User talk:Kvb

Clever Ben — Wed, 15 Jun 2005 17:57:44 GMT

Clever Ben:

Is there some way I can find all my edits? I want to keep count of my de-trolls. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:13, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, there is. On the top bar, near where it says "Log out", there is a thing that says "My contributions". That's where all your edits are. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:21, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Ok, thanks. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:26, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:No problem. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:28, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Haldo, Kvb! Have you ever heard of http://www.gamecheetz.com/ ? It's a great website! -Clever Ben

Lol! Hi Clever Ben, AKA Giga Bowsdor the Burninat. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 16:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kvb! Do NOT get on the GC forums right now. There's a virus on the forums! - [[User:Clever Ben]] 17:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Kvb

Clever Ben — Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:02:29 GMT

Clever Ben:

User talk:Kvb

Clever Ben — Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:02:14 GMT

Clever Ben: Comment

User talk:Kvb

Clever Ben — Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:01:55 GMT

Clever Ben: Comment

do over

Clever Ben — Mon, 16 May 2005 21:40:06 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Fun Fact

[[Image:sbemail130.png|thumb|Oh, ''this'' is hilarious.]]
'''Strong Bad Email #130'''

Strong Bad is given the opportunity to redo old emails.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Coach Zed]] (Easter egg), {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Marzipan}} (Easter egg), {{Film|The Cheat}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[Marzipan's House]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}, [[Tandy 400]]

'''Date:''' May 16, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:23

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Strong Bad Email! Makes money! Strong Bad Email! Gets paid! ''{loads the email}''

subject: just wondering...
Dear Strongbad,
What would you do different, if you could do it all over
again?

Crapfully yours,
Richie Z
Can-A-Duh

''{Strong Bad says "Totally not gettin' old" in place of "Crapfully yours."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Wait, you're not related to Coach Z, are you, Richie? Or Coach Zed as you Canucks call him. Whoa. Coach Zed. That's way cooler. I'm gonna start calling him that too and maybe he won't suck so bad! Thanks, Richie! Your pal, SB ''{says as "Sed Bed"}'' ''{clears screen}'' Alright, what would I do different? Well, while I've never actually made a mistake, there have been a few, let's call 'em "stnanks," that could be worthy of a do-over. It's no secret that one of my biggest stnanks was involving Ali and Ali's sister. If I had to do that over again, there's no way I'd mess it up. Here's just what I'd do:

''{The screen blurs as we cut to the broken Tandy 400, and the first email from [[sisters]] is onscreen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah! There's two of them! ''{places a candle next to the computer, clears the screen, and starts typing to romantic music}'' Well, Ali. There's ONE of me, and I'd like to cordially invite myself over to your place tonight for dinner and afterdinner mints. After afterdinner mints, you and your sister, Ali Jr. I'll call her, can fight to the death over me. Wait. ''{music stops}'' No. Hold on. No, no dying. ''{He only types one "no."}'' Um, ''{music restarts}'' we should have an egg drop soup eating contest. ''{the music comes to a scratching halt}'' Hang on. I can't remember what happens next. ''{stops typing}'' The Cheat!

''{Homestar Runner walks up on his knees. He's colored himself to look like The Cheat.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Woo woo wee woo woo!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, ''this'' is hilarious. Homestar, where's The Cheat?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Squeakicoo! I'm The Cheat!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, really. Then what—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{stands up}'' Surprise! Strong Bad, it's me! Homestar Runner! From school!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh! I need The Cheat!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, okay. ''{gets down on his knees again}'' Meh.

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's not what I meant. Uh, I guess you'll have to do. Ahem. All right, The Cheat. I need you to help me with my award-winning rewrite of the Ali and Ali's sister email. There's two of them!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Skooko wibbo wee! You should serenade them! I can play the drums!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, that sounds about right. Let's go practice!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{jumping up}'' I can play the drums!

''{Cut to The Field. Strong Bad sings into a microphone while Homestar bangs on a drum.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing... sorta}'' Don't you know I have a ''{feedback noise}'' BIG OL' RED HEAD! And a fat little body! And I never change my cloooothes! ''{high pitched, resulting in another feedback noise}'' No, I never change my cloooothes!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uh, Strong Bad? I think I'm falling for you. ''{little hearts bubble over Homestar}''

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' No, no, no, no, no. That is not right at all. Making Homestar dressed as The Cheat fall in love with me is ''not'' what I had in mind! Whatever. Who cares? I didn't want to go to Sally's house anydangway! ''{clears screen}'' Anyways, what else? I always felt a little bad about kicking The Cheat in email 23. Let's try that one again!

''{cut to the non-broken Tandy 400, with the email from [[little animal]] on it}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...crapfully yours, Ashley and Anthony. ''{clears screen, types}'' Well, Ash and Ant, or Ley and Thony, or Shle and Ntho, or whatever you like to be called, if a little animal came up to me, I'd give him a pat on the head, a tuna-flavored treat, and some sage advice.

''{cut back to reveal Homestar - still in his The Cheat disguise - standing next to Strong Bad}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Meh, Strong Bad. Meh.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, ''no way!'' This does not count! You are ''not'' gettin' any fish cookies outta me! But I ''will'' give you that sage advice and and a, ahem, "pat" on the head. ''{starts hitting Homestar with his keyboard}'' DON'T! EVER! DRESS! UP! As The CHEAT! AGAIN! PARSLEY! SAGE! RoseMARY! And THYME!

''{Strong Mad walks up and glares menacingly at Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' DON'T HURT THE CHEAT!!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' No, big guy, that's not The Cheat. That's Homestar! From school!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Meedley mee! I'm The Cheat! I'm not from school! Moooooo! ''{Strong Mad smiles for a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, The Cheat's not a cow, you know...

''{Strong Mad picks Strong Bad up by the leg and starts shaking him. Coins fall out of his pockets and Homestar eats them from off the ground.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' THE CHEAT IS SO A COW!!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Stop it! Put me down! You're making a terrible stnank!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It makes me all jangly inside! ''{shakes around as the coins rattle inside him}''

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' All right, it's become abundantly clear that THIS is the email I should be redoing. Lappy, if you please. ''{The test disappears as the computer displays "Do Over!!!" with an accompanying explosion effect.}'' DO OVER!! ''{the original email comes back up, and Strong Bad types:}'' What would I do differently, Richie? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Well, except I might go back and taste out one of them Cheatcakes. ''{the scene cuts back to show the desk}'' Those things looked a-pretty good!

''{Homestar leans in, still in disguise and carrying a bag that says "MOLDY BREAD, GUYS."}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Meeeeeeh?

'''STRONG BAD:''' No! Wait! Nothing! Never! I regret nothing!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sadly leaving the screen}'' Meeeeeeh...

'''STRONG BAD:''' Phew!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down. A few seconds later, Strong Bad pushes the back of his head a few times and coins come out of his mouth.}''

==Easter Eggs==

*Click on "Coach Zed" to see [[Coach Zed]], who looks like a mix between [[Coach Z]] and Snoopy's brother [[Wikipedia:Spike_%28Peanuts%29|Spike]].
*Click on the [[Floppy Disk Container]] at the end of the email to see The Cheat (disguised as Homestar Runner with kiss marks) and Marzipan together.
'''MARZIPAN:''' Homestar, can you pass the soy crisps?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{squeals in delight}''

''{The Cheat hands Marzipan a bag labeled "Crisps A-Soy!"}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*The letter ''[[Wikipedia:Z|Z]]'' is pronounced /zed/ in [[Wikipedia:Canadian English|Canadian English]] and [[Wikipedia:Commonwealth English|Commonwealth English]].
*"[[Wikipedia:Canuck|Canuck]]" is a nickname for a person from Canada.

===Remarks===
*When Homestar hits the drum, it changes pitch, but a real drum could not do this without adjustment. Knowing that Homestar's "arms" are invisible, he may be doing this and it can't be noticed.

===Goofs===
*When the scene shifts to the scene from "little animal", the Tandy's contrast buttons are broken, even though "little animal" took place before the Tandy broke. The entire computer looks slightly different, as well.

===Inside References===
*"Stnank" was a made-up animal for [[animal]] that wasn't used in the email, but was seen in the [[Sketchbook]] (2 Dec 2004).
*"Meedley mee" is a reference to the hot lixx played by Strong Bad in [[guitar]].
*Strong Bad wanting to taste a [[Cheatcakes|Cheatcake]] refers to [[stupid stuff]], where The Cheat offers him a platter of said dessert.
*"Anydangway" is a reference to [[car]], where Strong Bad said the same thing.
*"From school!" is a possible reference to [[Homeschool Winner]]


===Real-World References===
*[[Crisps A-Soy!]] is a reference to [http://www.nabiscoworld.com/cookieguys/ Chips Ahoy!] brand cookies.
*''[[Wikipedia:Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme |Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme]]'' is the name of the 1966 album by [[Wikipedia:Simon and Garfunkel|Simon and Garfunkel]]. The phrase is also included in the song [[Wikipedia:Scarborough_Fair|Scarborough Fair]].
*[[Wikipedia:Egg Drop Soup|Egg Drop Soup]] is a Chinese dish made from chicken broth and beaten eggs.

== External Links ==
* [[HR:sbemail130.html|watch "do over"]]
* [[HR:sbemail130.swf|view the Flash file for "do over"]]
* [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=3322 Forum thread re: Stong Bad Email 130]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

The Li'l Brudder Show

Clever Ben — Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:32:21 GMT

Clever Ben: There's a big difference between July 5th and April 18th

[[Image:The Lil Brudder Show.png|thumb|The Li'l Brudder and Maybe Tendafoot Too Show!]]

The opening to "The Li'l Brudder and Maybe Tendafoot Too Show," featuring everyone's favorite one legged pup.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Li'l Brudder]], [[Tendafoot]], [[Possum]], [[Parrot]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]]

'''Places:''' [[The Junkyard]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

'''Date:''' April 18, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 2:00

'''Page Title:''' Things Are Lookin' Up!

==Transcript ==
''{A notebook page with Li'l Brudder drawn on it is laying on a table with a pencil. The screen pans out, and then Li'l Brudder suddenly glows rainbow colors as stars fly out of the page. He jumps off of the page, lands on a sidewalk and drools.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Here comes Li'l Brudder!

''{Cut to a front of the Family Italian Food Place. Li'l Brudder is scraping towards to open door. When he gets close, the door closes with a sign reading "CLOSED" on it. Then the sign spins around to reveal the words, "4 LEGS ONLY."}''

'''SINGERS:''' He can make it on his own!

''{Cut to a kitchen with a bowl of dog food labeled "li'l brudder" and Li'l Brudder nearby. Li'l Brudder scapes up to the dog food bowl and pushes it with his face.}''

'''SINGERS:''' He'll scrape right along, while I'm singing this song.

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder falling through the sky while wearing a parachute bag and goggles.}''

'''SINGERS:''' You know he was born to ramble and roam!

''{Cut to two oval-shaped pictures hanging on a wall. The one on the left is a picture of a dog and reads, "MAW," while the one of the right is a picture of a unicycle and reads, "PAW." The screen slowly pans out to reveal Li'l Brudder looking at the pictures sadly.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Here comes Li'l Brudder.

''{Cut to a white silhouette of Li'L Brudder scraping along in front of the words, "One Leg!!" The sun behind them is casting moving shadows.}''

'''SINGERS:''' He's got one leg up on life!

''{Cut to a trophy with the words "Just One" inscribed. Li'l Brudder pops out.}''

'''SINGERS:''' (Just one!) (That's right!)

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder in a junkyard with Tendafoot, a possum with a human nose for a face, and a wobbling parrot whose legs are missing and has his bottom wrapped up.}''

'''SINGERS:''' He's the king of the dregs, with minus...

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder on a football field a football helmet and a shirt that reads, "-3." He is balancing a football under his chin. The football squeezes out and rolls away.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...three legs. And he'll probably...

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder in a gray area with two pairs of girl legs behind him. Li'l Brudder is happy and winks. One of the girls moves her legs and trips Li'l Brudder, making him sad.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...never take him a wife!

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder surfing a giant wave.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Here comes Li'l Brudder! He's gotta...

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder on a pirate ship's plank. A sword pokes him from behind.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...pocket full of...

''{Cut to a close up of Li'l Brudder's face next to his food bowl. He stretches out his tongue, but can't reach his food.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...cash! He can...

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder scraping along on a tall, scrolling version of his name spelled "Lil' Brudder" . Unable to move fast enough, he flies off the edge, flips around and lands on the ground.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...barely stand up, your favorite one-legged pup. He'll do a...

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder scraping along on a running track, approaching the finish line.}''

'''SINGERS:''' ...twenty minute hundred yard dash.

''{Cut to Li'l Brudder scraping towards the logo of his show.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Li'l Brudder! Li'l Brudder! And maybe Tendafoot, too!

''{A circle with Tendafoot on it appears on screen. Li'l Brudder falls down.}''

'''LI'L BRUDDER:''' I can make it on my own!

''{Camera pans out to show the whole [[Telebision]].}''

'''NARRATOR:''' It's the "Li'l Brudder and Maybe Tendafoot, Too" show!

''{Camera flips around to show Strong Bad and The Cheat sleeping on the couch in their basement.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{snoring like [[wikipedia:Jerome Lester Horwitz|Curly]]}'' Mmm-Memmmmm...

''{Suddenly Homestar Runner jumps out from behind the couch and flies into the air, crying.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying uncontrollably}'' Oh-ho-ho-hooooooooo!

''{Homestar falls back down. About a second later he flies back up.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' Li'l Brudd-or-or-ooor!

''{Homestar falls down and then jumps back up with his legs crossed.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' Blah-ah-ah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Blaaah!

''{Homestar falls back down. Then he stands up behind the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' I couldn't be happier with your network debut!

''{Homestar sinks behind the couch. Then he pops up again and moves across the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' Wah!

''{Homestar sinks out of sight and then pops up again on the other side of the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' This is your most ambitious album to date!

''{Homestar sinks below the couch again. Then he flies out from behind the couch on last time.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{crying}'' Blah! Blah! Blah! Brud-dor-or-or!

''{Homestar crashes into the ground once more.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{mumbling}'' Act Raiser. ''{wakes up}'' What?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{wakes up}'' Uuuuuuuhh...

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nnnnn... you guys hear something?

'''THE CHEAT:''' Meeenh.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sticks leg up}'' Nope!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Cool.

''{The Cheat and Strong Bad instantly fall back asleep and Strong Bad snores loudly. After a few seconds, a circle with Li'l Brudder appears on screen.}''

'''LI'L BRUDDER:''' Things are looking up!

''{Everything besides Li'L Brudder and his circle fades to black and the toon ends.}''

==Easter Eggs ==
* At the end of the cartoon, click on Li'l Brudder to view dialogue with Li'l Brudder and Tendafoot.
:''{Cut to the junkyard with Li'l Brudder and his three friends.}''
:'''LI'L BRUDDER:''' Well, we got 'em where we want 'em now! I can't tell you how happy I am for you to be with me! Let's... trace! Let's trace some drawings!
:'''TENDAFOOT:''' Oh, Piddles. Wait, is your name Piddles?
:''{The legless parrot falls over.}''

==Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*This is the first time we see Strong Bad's eyes while he's sleeping.
*Since it takes Li'l Brudder 20 minutes to complete the 100yd dash, he travels an average of 0.17 mph -- about the speed of a giant tortoise.

===Remarks===
*The basement ceiling is considerably lower in the [[HR:sbsample.swf|email preview]] on [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] However, in [[couch patch]], the ceiling seems just as high as it is in this toon.
*At the beginning, the lines farther back on the notebook paper appear the same size as the ones closer up.
*When Homestar Runner remarks "This is your most ambitious album to date!", it goes along with as his 'network debut' comment as one of those meaningless, silly praises often heard for media outlets.

===Inside References===
* Li'l Brudder is a character shown in the email "[[crying]]" that was created by Strong Bad solely to make Homestar Runner cry. Tendafoot was shown off in the same email and was used to show Strong Bad's view of [[Strong Sad]]. Li'l Brudder on a football field dressed as a quarterback is also a reference to the email "crying." On it, Li'l Brudder told The Cheat "I'm gonna be a quarterback when I grow up."
* This is another instance of Strong Bad's [[Couch Mumbling|couch mumbling]].

===Real World References===
*''[[Wikipedia:ActRaiser|ActRaiser]]'' was an SNES game by Enix and Quintet.
*The hole in Lil' Brudder's tooth is possibly based on ''[[Wikipedia:Courage the Cowardly Dog|Courage the Cowardly Dog]]'', which is a television show on Cartoon Network.
*The sound at the beginning when Lil' Brudder is coming out of the paper is reminiscent of that of the popular children's show ''[[Wikipedia:Barney and Friends|Barney and Friends]]'', in which a stuffed animal would come to life as the famed purple dinosaur.
*The line "and maybe Tendafoot, too" refers to various cartoons in which the secondary character wouldn't be mentioned until the very end of the theme song. Examples include [http://www.wingnuttoons.com/ToucheTurtle.html Touché Turtle and Dum Dum] and [http://www.wingnuttoons.com/LippyHardy.html Lippy the Lion and Hardy Har Har].

== External links ==
* [[HR:lilbrudder.html|watch The Lil' Brudder Show]]
* [[HR:lilbrudder.swf|view the flash file for The Lil' Brudder Show]]
* [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2781 forum thread re: The Li'l Brudder Show]
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Clever Ben — Wed, 06 Apr 2005 17:04:11 GMT

Clever Ben: It has been confirmed that that is his face

[[Image:themepark.png|thumb|[[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]]!]]

'''StrongBadEmail #104'''

Strong Bad fields an email about his theme park, called [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]]!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Cheerleader]] (Easter Egg), [[The Ugly One]] (Easter Egg), [[Monkey D]] (Easter Egg), [[The King of Town]], [[The Cheat]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Bubs]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Coach Z]] ''(as [[Stoppy the Sign]])'', [[Homestar Runner]] ''(as himself and [[Poppy the Tire]])'', [[Homsar]] ''(as [[General Tso's Chicken]])''

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]], [[Strongbadia]]

'''Date:''' May 25, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 4:15

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Everybody love this, everybody needs this, it's time for funny stuff. ''{reading, in a Teen Girl Squad voice}'' Dear strong bad, you are the coolest... ''{stops reading, clears throat}'' Oh! Excuse me.

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear strong bad,
you are the coolest, any way onto
buisness. i think that you should
make your own theme park.

crapfully crap,
Rafael FL.</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "buisness" just as it's spelled, says "(sigh) Sincerely yours" instead of "crapfully crap," and "football league" instead of "FL"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, Rafi, being the distinguished buisnessman ''{continues with the misspelling/pronunciation used earlier}'' that I am, I've had a theme park in development for quite some time now. Almost as long as I've been growin' this mustache.

''{A 10,000x magnification of Strong Bad's upper lip appears, showing a growth of one hair.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Anyways, it'd be called

''{cut to view of a theme park by the Stop Sign and Cinder Block}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Strong Bad's Mount RIDESPLACE! USA

''{As this is said, the appropriate words flash on the screen above the view of the theme park.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And it will have more rides than you or your grandmother can handle.

''{As this is said, the words "More Rides Than You Or Your Grandmother Can Handle!*" appear along with a "*please do not bring your grandmother" disclaimer on the bottom.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Of course, our flagship rollercoaster would be

''{cut to view of the rollercoaster, which is perfectly circular and spins continually without stopping}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The Bowels of Trogdor!! ''{pan out to see that The King of Town is riding the rollercoaster and screaming}'' Which would like whip you around and around until you either throw up or catch fire somehow. ''{The King of Town catches fire somehow}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad and The Cheat and the entrance to the ride. A Trogdor sign is there that says "Peasants must be as tall as my beefy arm to ride this ride." The Cheat is clearly not tall enough.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sorry little guy, I can't do nothing for you. ''{The Cheat puts on a top hat}'' Maybe you better head over to Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Land instead.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{Makes a thoroughly disappointed noise}''

''{cut to Strong Sad standing on a stage}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And every hour, at the main stage, there'd be a performance of The Strong Sad Gets Decked Repeatedly Stunt Spook-tacular.

''{A banner lowers behind Strong Sad that says "The Strong Sad Gets Decked Repeatedly Stunt SPOOK-tacular!!" Strong Sad is wearing a witch's hat. Strong Mad comes from stage right to flying tackle Strong sad.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' MAUHHH!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh!

''{Strong Sad climbs back up on the stage. Strong Mad comes from stage left this time to flying tackle Strong Sad again.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' MAUHHH!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh!

''{cut to Strong Bad behind a table with a layout of the theme park on it}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' To make sure you don't have any money left when you leave, ''{the words "not to scale" appear with an arrow pointing at the layout}'' there'd be more games than you or your grandFATHER could handle.

''{cut to Bubs working the "Throw Game"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' You know, the ones where you throw hoops or rings or baseballs at different stuff and try to win cheap generic stuffed animal versions of ten-year-old cartoons.

''{During this voice over, Pom Pom plays the "Throw Game" while Bubs looks on. Pom Pom successfully gets all three rings that he tosses around the "xtra cold one" bottle. Strong Bad's arm appears, holding up a cheap stuffed animal}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Like this Bubs with a horn.

'''BUBS:''' No, no, no. You gotta get those rings ''inside'' the bottle.

'''POM POM:''' ''{makes bubble noises}''

''{Pom Pom picks up a baseball and throws it at the bottle in frustration. Cut back to Strong Bad behind the layout of the park}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No theme park would be complete without a bunch of costumed mascots running around antic-ing... ''{scratches head}'' antique-ing... whatever.

''{Cut to view of an area behind some fencing. The King of Town still rides "The Bowels of Trogdor!!" in the distance.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' You know, there'd be one of the Stop Sign,

''{Coach Z appears wearing a costume that has a cartoonish looking Stop Sign design}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' call him "Stoppy, Stoppy the sign" and then there'd be the tire...

''{Homestar appears wearing a costume that has a very cartoonish looking Tire design}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' call him "Poppy the tire"... And who could forget "General Tso's Chicken"

''{A carton of what could only be General Tso's Chicken falls from the sky. It has "Ryan S." written on the side. Homsar's feet appear beneath it.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Hey, Stoppy, is your suit chafing you like crazy?

'''COACH Z:''' Well, to tell ya da truth dere Poppy, I've always enjoyed a good chafe.

'''HOMSAR:''' AaAaAaAaA! It's time for tasteball.

'''HOMESTAR:''' Oh crap! It's tasteball already?

''{cut to Strong Bad back at the compy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' But yeah, it's a pretty unrealistic vision. I'm gonna have to start robbing WAY more hot actresses if I ever hope to make that dream a reality. But for now, I'll settle for giving tours on The Strong Badian Riverquest Safariventure.

''{He gets up. Cut to Strong Bad standing in a box in Strongbadia. He holds some sort of microphone.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Strong Bad makes a microphone click noise and speaks in a theme-park tour-guide-styled monotone voice}'' Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen my name is Strong Bad and welcome to The Strong Badian Riverquest Safariventure. ''{Strong Bad makes a click noise again}''

''{Cut to wide view of Strong Bad standing in a box labeled "riverquest safariventure". Homestar sits in front of him in the box. To the left is a running hose. The water from the hose forms a puddle around the box.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' Please keep your arms legs and valuables inside the vehicle at all times and get ready to experience the fury of: The Strong Badian Riverboat Superfun... ride. ''{click}''

''{[[The Paper]] comes down. About 5 seconds later, the zooms in on Strong Bad and Homestar and the tour continues}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' And first up on our tour if you look to your right ''{Homestar looks to his right}'' experience the fury of: ''{cut to wider view}'' a big rock that is going to fall on uuuus. ''{An obviously fake rock pops up behind the fence, mounted on a stick.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Ooooh. ''{The rock goes back down behind the fence.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' That was a close call, I hope everyone is okaaaay.

'''HOMESTAR:''' I'm not ok--

'''STRONG BAD:''' Shut up. ''{click}''

''{cut to closeup of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' And if you look up the river here comes another one of our tour guides his name is The Cheat ''{Cut to wide view again. The Cheat walks by in his own box, which is labeled "R.Q. 2".}'' everybody say "Hi, The Cheeeeat."

'''HOMESTAR:''' Hide and seek.

''{Some drum sounds can be heard}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' Oh what's that I hear is it the sound of island drums? Oh no it's headhunteeerrrs. ''{The cardboard cutout of a bear holding a shark, posing as a "headhunter," pops up from behind the fence.}'' ''{click}'' Everyone stay in the boat, I'll take care of thiiis. ''{click}''

''{Strong Bad pulls out a revolver, and turns his head away as he fires up into the air twice. The cutout goes back down behind the fence.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' Looks like we scared those headhunters. Let's hope they don't come baaack. ''{click}''

''{cut to closeup of Strong Bad again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' Well folks we've made it back safely did everyone have a good time?

'''HOMESTAR:''' Not really.

''{Strong Bad continues to talk while Homestar answers.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Goooood. Please leave your valuables under your seat and exit to your riiiight. ''{click}''

''{cut to wide view again}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Strong Bad, I gotta level with ya. That might have been the worst three thousand dollars I ever spent.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down again. After another pause, Strong Bad speaks again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{click}'' Don't forget to experience the fury of: our gift shooop. ''{click}''

== Easter Eggs ==

* Click on "buisness" after Strong Bad says it in the first part of the email to see a picture of The Ugly One and Cheerleader.
** Cheerleader looks angry and is wearing a dress that says, "kiss boys". She has a speech bubble that reads, "the ugly one, why you always gotta be all up in my bweez-NASS?" The Ugly One looks sad.

* Click on "Rafi" to see a mock NFL patch.

* Click on "Mount" in "Mount Ridesplace USA" after Strong Bad says "USA" to see [[Monkey D]]'s season pass.
<pre>Strong Bad's Mount Ridesplace USA
Season Pass
Name: Monkey D
Has: Fun
Valid thru 9/04
(signed) Monkey D</pre>

* Click on the next to last Bubs doll on the lower row, left side in the "Throw Game" stand to see a real Bubs plushie thingie.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*The paper on Strong Bad's desk is labeled "plans for stuff".
*This is the first time we hear Homsar talking without his hat hovering over him.
*The box in the throw game appears to be labeled "BOX FOR THROW GAME", in all capital letters.
===Remarks===
*Roller coasters don't usually have circular loops on them like the Bowels of Trogdor, because the G-forces involved, indeed, usually cause people to pass out. No one usually catches fire, though.
*Strong Bad pushes his thumb far out of his boxing glove when he sends the Cheat to Sweet Cuppin' Cakes land. This wouldn't usually be possible with a real boxing glove.
*This is the first time we ever see Homestar and Homsar communicate with each other.

===Goofs===
*When Pom Pom hits the bottle with the ball, a crashing sound is heard yet it doesn't break.
*At the end of the SBRQSV, look for the [[Stop Sign|stop sign]]. It's not there! It disappeared sometime between the pause the first time the paper came down, and the fake boulder.

===Glitches===
*When the SBRQSV is over, the water stops flowing from the hose.
===Inside References===
*The "headhunter" is the bear holding a shark cardboard figure from [[date]].
*Pom Pom throws rings around an "Xtra Cold One", first seen in [[Cheat Commandos Commercial]].
*The music played during Strong Sad's "Stunt Spooktacular" is the same music that was used in [[The House that Gave Sucky Treats]].

===Real-World References===
*The Strong Badian Riverquest Safariventure is a parody of [http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneyland/en_US/parks/attractions/detail?name=JungleCruiseAttractionPage Disneyland's Jungle Cruise] ride. Strong Bad does not breath or show any expression and this monotone delivery is reminiscent of Jungle Cruise tour guides who give the same tour over and over again. The shooting of a warning shot (in this case a flare gun) to scare off the [[Bear-Shark | bear and shark]] "headhunters" is directly from the tour guide script. Most of Strong Bad's speech correlates to the tour.
*The "Ryan S." on the box of General Tso's chicken may be a reference to Ryan S. (Ryan Shoulders) from the TV show [http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/survivors/bio/ryans.shtml Survivor: Pearl Islands] (airing in late 2003). In episode 2, Ryan S. goes to pick up a message (aka "treemail" on the show). While picking it up, he says, "The treemail, the treemail, wha wha the treemail," a play on the opening to [[techno]].
**More likely, however, "Ryan S." is a reference to [[Ryan Sterritt]], a friend of the Brothers Chaps who has helped with the website in the past.
*Strong Bad's reading of the name as 'Rafi' might be an obscure reference to a Canadian children's entertainer, [http://www.raffinews.com/ Raffi].
*The Bowels of Trogdor might be a reference to the now obsolete ride, Fireball, at Morey's Piers in Wildwood, NJ.

== External Links ==

*[[HR:sbemail104.html|watch "theme park"]]
*[[HR:sbemail104.swf|view the flash file for "theme park"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]]
[[Category:The King of Town Filmography]]
[[Category:The Cheat Filmography]]
[[Category:Strong Sad Filmography]]
[[Category:Strong Mad Filmography]]
[[Category:Bubs Filmography]]
[[Category:Pom Pom Filmography]]
[[Category:Coach Z Filmography]]
[[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]]
[[Category:Homsar Filmography]]
[[Category:Cheerleader Filmography]]
[[Category:The Ugly One Filmography]]
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Clever Ben — Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:07:47 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Comment

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pokémon, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is really long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==
=== [[local news]] ===
====Scalawag====
"Scalawag" may possibly be a reference to a Calvin and Hobbes strip in which Calvin and Hobbes sing the "Very Sorry Song" :
:(Calvin) "I'm sorry, so sorry I took your precious flaaaaag"
:(Hobbes) "Just don't do it again you scurvy scalawaaaaaag"
*'''Revise''' Maybe "The fact that SB ends the song with the word scalawag..." [[User:DeadGuyPerez|DeadGuyPerez]]
*'''Decline.''' Maybe it is a C & H reference. Maybe it's a reference to Southerners who supported Reconstruction. Maybe TBC just liked the sound of the word and thought it would be funny. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005

=== [[brianrietta]] ===
==== "Tough Guys"? ====
This is the only reference to homosexuality in the entire site, '''and thankfully Strong Bad handled it more maturely than most "tough guys" would have.'''
*'''Revise''': This is an interesting fact, but I think that the part in bold is a bit unecessary. After all, this is a knowledge base, not a place for rants. If you wanted to put something like this, I suggest doing it in the forum. Besides, this is easily infered from reading the transcript. I think that the part in bold needs to be deleted, and the rest added back into the Fun Facts. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**'''Comment.''' I assume this is an '''Accept'''. Please sign your vote! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005
*'''Neutral.''' This is hardly a rant. I don't think the statement loses anything by removing the "offending" clause, however. I ''would'' change "this is the only reference" to "this is one of the few references". -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005
**'''Comment.''' But this ''is'' the only reference to homosexuality on the site. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 12:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Comment:'''I'm just saying that it seems like a rant to me, and it's rather unecessary (The part in bold, that is). --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Hom Sar Ref====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" is actually a reference to the Homsar Main Page, when the mouse is moved over the "Games" bubble. --[[User:SgtKeeling|SgtKeeling]]

*'''Decline''' It doesn't sound to me like he pronounces it "gee-ames". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It is probably unintended by the creators. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Calvin Decline''' Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons: "Were you saying 'boo,' or 'boo-urns?'" [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 09:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' Homsar says "James," not "Gee-ames." [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' No offence, ISlayedTheKerrek, but the Homsar Main Page transcript is just one person's interpretation of what he says. When I listen to it, it could be James, but it could also be Gee-ames, too. -BlueNose
** It isn't GEE-AMES, and anyone who scrolls over the word "games" in the Homsar page will clearly hear him say James. If you hear Gee-Ames, I seriously suggest you get your ears checked. Oh, and sign your vote properly. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:45, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** Well, actually, it's a bit more ambiguous if you hover over "Games" quickly and pull the cursor away before the weight falls. But it's even ''further'' from GEE-AMES that way, so '''Decline'''. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Homsar says no such thing. [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]] 4 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' Sewiously, this is wediculous. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:57, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Actually, it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:49, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Lil John====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" may be a reference to Lil John from Lil John and the East Side Boyz.

*'''Rewrite''' Uh huh... so HOW and WHY is it a reference to Lil John? If you can prove this, then it can be accepted. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 11:01, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Response''' I think he means how Lil' Jon says stuff like "YEE-AAAH!" [[User:The Jolly Dumple|The Jolly Dumple]] 4:17 PM, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)
**'''Response''' Well, then, the person who wrote this fun fact should have said that. Keep in mind, however, that almost every rapper in existence says stuff like that. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:42, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''', unless Jolly Dumple is right. If he is, then '''Decline'''. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' Seriously, dump any fact that relies on phrases like "might be". Especially if its about TBC referring to something obscure. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Third.''' I'm agreeing with you on this one - these "might be" references are way too numerous, and in most cases, they're opinions. Hell, even the phrase "might be" is subjective to begin with. I propose an automatic deletion to any Fun Fact that uses this phrase. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:56, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
****'''FOURTH'D!''' [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*****ARROW'D... I mean, '''FIFTH'D''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Trial Game origin====

The trial game is based upon the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]] - the trial game's [http://www.homestarrunner.com/SevenSecondTrialGame.swf Flash file] contains graphics and sounds used on the Games menu but not in the trial game.

*'''Decline.''' It's a reference to Space Invaders. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** Ooops, yeah, I was rather vague there, wasn't I? I didn't mean the style of game, I meant the actual nuts and bolts of the thing. The 'engine', as it were. I know such recycling would be relevant if it caused a bug or something else really obvious, like the VCR in SBEmail114 "The Facts" did, but this is harmless, so I wanted a judgement on it. [[User:The Archon|The Archon]] 18:13, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It actually uses code from the games menu '''and''' Armless Invaders. But who expects them to code a new game just for an April Fools gag? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While I disagree that they wouldn't code a new game just for an April Fools' gag, I do agree that this fact is unnecessary and somewhat inaccurate. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:59, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====False Advertising====

The second page claims "ACCESS TO ALL 230+ STRONG BAD EMAILS!" when there were only 127 emails at the time it was posted. This parodies how subscription sites often flagrantly misrepresent their content.

*'''INFINITELY STRONG ACCEPT-erson!!!!!!!!!''' Why in the world was this stuffed???????????--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:25, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Decline''' Because the fact is redundant? Theres already a fact explaining that the toon is a joke on pay sites. Theres also another fact pointing out that the material in this toon doesn't actually appear anywhere else on the site. ''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Accept.''' It's accurate and not obvious from the page itself. I won't miss it if it gets voted down though. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:48, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I think this was ment to be an ironic insider joke. Irony does not necessarily make a "fun" fact, but maybe it can be rewritten as an inside reference. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Accept''' Fairly obvious, but a bit of a fun fact nonetheless.[[User:GreatG|GreatG]]
*'''Strong Accept.''' This goes under the file of "not everything needs to be STUFF'd! Let's leave it to the fun facts that deserve it, guys. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:48, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept''' It's slightly obvious now, but the information about how many emails there actually WAS at the time will make this Fun Fact more interesting as time goes on. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* I added how misleading pay site previews can be to the explanations part of the Wiki entry. So I'm changing my vote to '''revise'''. Just add a fun fact explaining which parts of the toon were meant to be lies. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Fine by me. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''ANTI-Accept''' Are all of you people serious?? If this goes up, it ought to be combined with the "this is a parody of websites becoming paysites" fact. It certainly shouldn't stand alone IMHO. It's redundant because the fact that the whole thing is based on pay sites is ALREADY STATED. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:10, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Like I said, if we accept this then we should list the other inaccuracies in the toon. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Special Appearance====
Mr. Shmallow can just barely be seen in the fourth screen of the 'toon.
* '''Da Cline''' Then add him to the list of cast members. This isn't a fun fact. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Whats Her Face's lack of appearance====

For whatever reason, Whats her face was shown on the 4th page, but not at all in the "trial" TGS cartoon.

* '''Decline''' Noted in the transcript, and it's hardly an interesting remark regardless of such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 07:57, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' It's certainly worth noting, and I didn't notice it the first time around. Keep it. [[User:little-man|little-man]] 14:09, 3 Apr 2005 (EST)
*'''Decline.''' Since there IS no reason for her absence, there's no reason to mention it. It's not necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:01, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' And who knows how far into the preview the clip was? She may have already been killed off. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Basement-to-Computer Room Ratio====

According to the "Trap Door" clip, the computer room and the basement are two different floors, even though Strong Bad is never seen going up stairs when he goes from the couch to the computer room in cartoons like [[morning routine]].

* '''Decline'''. Umm... There are several other references to this. 1. [[Arcade Game]]: "in da basement -sb", why would Strong Bad put this if they were on the same level? 2. [[strongbad_email.exe]] (All discs): The camera transition to the Bonus Stuff menu infers that the basement is downstairs. And... that's all I can think of. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 00:16, 3 Apr 2005 (BST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline''' In [[morning routine]] they might have just skipped the part where Strong Bad goes up the stairs for the sake of saving time. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Hear here - showing Strong Bad go up and down stairs would take a whole new set of animation. Why bother? Traversing stairs isn't integral to the toon. Also see Venusy's comment above regarding "Arcade Game". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:03, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*I don't have the Email DVD, so I wouldn't know. And I just thought we should point out that this is the first time we see this. I've seen Fun Facts state that it was the first instance you see something when it is obvious and probably shouldn't be pointed out. And as for the note in [[Arcade Game]], characters point out things that you can see obviously all the time, and maybe the computer room and the basement were two different rooms in the whole basement. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 10:36, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**But why would Strong Bad leave a note saying they were in the basement IN the basement? '''Decline''' --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*If you think [[Arcade Game]] is the first sighting of the difference between the computer room and the basement, then why don't you just list that under Fun Facts on ''it''? --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:42, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' Because the appearance in Arcade Game is self-explanatory. When someone says they're "in da basement," it's safe to assume you're going to have to go down stairs in order to get to where that person is. There's no reason to state this in that e-mail, and as such, there really is no reason for it to be stated in this one. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

===[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]===
====Sweating====
Mr. Shmallow sweating is a reference to old television sets where the lights required to light up the set often made the set uncomfortably hot.

*'''Weak Decline.''' I have to admit this one has had me stumped for a long time. It's the best explanation I've seen yet, but I'm not sure it's the right one. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*<strike>'''Stronger Decline.'''</strike> [EDIT:] '''Full Decline.''' Personally, I too have always wondered why he's sweating... and, who knows, maybe it ''is'' the lights—but I doubt it. There's nothing in the 'toon to even suggest the above as being more than mere speculation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline''' -- It's true that the lights of early television sets made the actors sweat a great deal. However, Mr. Shmallow is not from the 40's-50's era of television, he's from the 30's (allegedly; I'm not convinced that the Brothers Chaps can tell the difference...). [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept''' Hey, it could be true. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:22, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**But it could ''more easily'' be false. I don't think the minimum burden of proof has been met to justify including it. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Watch any of the old-timey shows and you'll see how much everyone is sweating. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw Mr. Shmallow sweat.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**The problem is that (1) they're on film, not TV, (2) nothing in the shot where he's sweating makes it look like he's under any lights, bright or otherwise, and (3) it's the only instance I can recall that a 1936-era character has sweated like this. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. 1) Being on film wouldn't change a whole lot necessarily, considering it's a low-budget-ish commercial, so, given that and the time era, it WOULD have the hot lights no matter what. 2) Would YOU want the lights visible when you're shooting? Hmm? 3) There's a first time for everything. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:37, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Stronger-est? Decline.''' Like I said below: If you can't prove it, don't post it. He could be sweating for any number of reasons. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''ULTRA SUPER DECLINE''' He isn't sweating. The moon just ate him so now he's dripping with spit from its "mouth thingy".
**But his glasses were fogging up...not to say that's from sweat, necessarily...

===[[long pants]]===
====Overlapped voice====
This is one of the few times Strong Bad has used his ability to overlap his own voice. This ability is first introduced in techno.

*'''Decline''' Uninteresting, and disqualified due to the phrase "one of the few". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:16, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''"DECLINE!"''' For the record, they're FUN facts. --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 08:21, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Homestar's Shoes, part 2====
They might not be blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet but actual shoes, according to [[New Boots]] anyway. He also refers to them as shoes in [[Everybody Knows It]], where he says, "So, I guess it's back to putting dog food in my shoes, huh?"

*'''Decline''' Wasn't this bit about Homestar's shoes already tackled and Declined? Also STUFF'd due to conversational style. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Shorter E-mail====
This email is much shorter than most recent emails, being at least half a minute shy of its predecessor.

*'''Decline''' This is unnecessary, due to the running time being evident at the top of each e-mail page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Half a minute isn't much, and even if it was, who cares? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:18, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And I'm the one who said this. -Walking Armless
*'''Modify and Accept''' I think it could have been because they also released the April Fools gag on the same week, so if you add that information it might be kinda interesting... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:07, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**No its still boring. '''decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Unless it's the shortest one to date (and it's not), forget it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann
*'''Accept.''' I don't think Eggman understands what this fact is saying. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:48, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Homestar Over Correction Fluid====
When Homestar appears on the Lappy's screen, he isn't covered by the correction fluid, but rather, he shows up on top of it.

*'''Weak Accept, but Move''' Like the above item, this doesn't seem so much as a Goof as a Remark - given that Homestar is acting crazy when this happens, certainly odd things would happen that aren't necessarily Goofs on the toon's creators' part. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:21, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Secone."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 04:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Its a sight gag, there isn't meant to be any kind of logic to it (in real life you wouldn't be able to appear on a computer screen just like that). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 20:06, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''accept''' When Homestar's mad, anything can happen!--[[User:mk5due|mk5dude]] 1 April 2005
*'''Decline''' My guess is that he didn't go inside the Lappy screen, but in front of it.--[[User:Bonk|Bonk]] 17:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Klowning Arkound====
The fact that "Kertified Klown Kare" has every word starting with K might be a reference to Krusty the Clown, from The Simpsons, who tends to use that letter a lot and is, obviously, a clown.

*'''Severe Decline!''' Man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth from reading it. It's just what clowns do! -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' I'm not saying anything here, but am I the only one who noticed that "Kertified Klown Kare" is basically K.K.K.? --[[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:33, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*There was actually a "K.K.K" joke like that on the Simpsons. Still doesn't make this a reference to it. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*"decline" However, on the simpsons there was the Krusty Komedy Klassic.
*'''Decline''' Lots of things use Ks instead of Cs. (Though I do love the K in place of the ''soft'' C here, that's irrelevant to the fact.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Self-Made Man====
Homestar saying "I'm a long-pants man, long pants long pants" is a possible reference to [[Bubs]]' [[Character Videos|Character page]] where he says "I'm a self-made man, I am I am".

*'''Decline''' Just watched Bubs' Character Page, and the line he says sounds nothing like what Homestar says in [[long pants]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I gotta '''Accept''' this, because my keen ears detect some sort of similarity. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' What would be the point in referring to Bubs' video anyway? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It really doesn't seem like a "reference" to me. More like a "coincidence." →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It does sound similar. It also sound like a reference the Bros Chaps would make. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:28, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:10, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Reaching. Lower-hanging fruit would be to compare it to HR's own character page where he says "butt dance butt dance", and it still wouldn't be a fun fact for me. [[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:41, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
*'''Decline''' Only vaguely similar, not close enough for moi. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====2nd Homestar Crying====
This is the second time Homestar cried in an email. The first was [[crying]].

*'''Decline''' First times can be interesting. Second times, not so much. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:48, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' And how... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:50, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Unless someone can figure out a way to graph it! --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 28 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' And isn't there another "fun" fact below that was about how [[crying]] showcased the second time a character cried? --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''"Second."''' [[User:69.3.234.29|69.3.234.29]]([[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:59, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)) 22:57, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Yes there is, Donny. And I'm gonna say what someone said in their vote for the crying fun fact. The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*** An immediate disqualification is also in order for those who don't sign their votes. and '''Delete,''' by the way. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:58, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is so uninteresting. The point of funfacts isn't a place to count how many times who does what. You wouldn't see a fun fact saying that "This is the eighth time Strong Bad blames the Cheat for something in an e-mail" (made number up). I'm declining it basically on the grounds that nobody really cares. -- [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 9:51 AM 2 April 2005

====Red Screen====
When Homestar finishes going nuts, the screen turns red, like in [[Where the Crap Are We?]].
*'''Decline.''' Big deal. It's not even the same kind of red. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:17, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:29, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I actually thought of this when first saw this e-mail. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:06, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Useless and already in transcript. And, BTW, I found a variant of this in Goofs (people need to learn what a "Goof" is!) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr., Tompkins, and Ron Cumberdale...long lost triplets?====

Edga Jr. bears a striking resemblance to Tompkins and Ron Cumberdale, one of the things the The Three Keepers of Trogdor turn you into if you get one of their questions wrong.

*'''Decline.''' At least in Tompkins' case. I don't think Edga Jr. looks like Tompkins at all. I don't know about Ron Cumberdale...but I doubt it too. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:03, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Eh, they all look like generic nerds if anything. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I saw this one earlier and almost STUFF'd it myself. People are REALLY stretching to make references here, aren't they? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline.''' Although [[Edga Jr.]] does looks like a mix between [[Tompkins]] and [[Ron Cumberdale]], this is a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmm... it's kinda tough to say Cumberdale looks like anyone, seeing as how he's composed of roughly eight pixels. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
Could someone post a picture of the three of them side by side?

Done and done. Now judge for yourself. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:36, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

[[Image:edgajr.png]][[Image:tompkinteen.png]][[Image:roncumberdale.PNG]]

*'''Weak Accept''' Tompkin's face and acne + Ron Cumberdale's hair + Obscure references = Edga Jr. --Yaanu, 9:21 CST, 2 April 2005
* I'm upgrading my vote to '''Strong Decline.''' Edga Jr. has freckles, not pimples, and you can't even really tell from there that Ron Cumberdale has the same hair. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:48, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Declinariffic''' I'm not seeing it. At all. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:53, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Clanky?====
"Clanky" is a reference to the popular video game [[Wikipedia:Ratchet & Clank|Ratchet & Clank]].

*'''Revise.''' Replace "is" with "could be". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:08, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' [[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 23:00, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' "Clanky" was just said as a mispronunciation of Clancy. It's not like Ratchet and Clank coined the word Clank anyway.
**'''Second''' But sign your vote. And I think that any fun fact that cannot be confirmed (could be, might be, its possible that) should be removed or STUFF'D till it can be confirmed. Maybe then kids wouldn't be so eager to try and make a connection to their favorite game/show/movie what have you. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Decline Second'd, Suggestion Weak Accept'd''' I agree that there are way too many of these types of "possible references" being made, but STUFFing every single one would be REALLY time-consuming and would bloat this page way more than it already is. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Well, I don't mean that every un-confirmed fact should get stuffed. But crap like this one where there is clearly no connection could and should be deleted without any fuss or voting. If they author of the fact cares that much they can stuff the fact themselves and post a defense.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' (the Decline, that is) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:29, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Strong Bad always pronounces names and places wrong, I'm positive it has nothing to do with that game. --[[User:Minteh|Minteh]] 12:02, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And The Cheat is a reference to Cheato the Spellbook in Banjo-Kazooie! And the King of Town is a reference to King Daphnes in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker! Or not, since there are about -1 pieces of evidence that there's any intentional correlation at all. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Sam I Am====
Homestar saying "I have long pants, I wear long pants..." is a reference to Dr Seuss's childeren's book "Green Eggs and Ham"
*''' Severe Decline and Baleted-erson''' No it's not. If the phrase was "I have long pants, Long pants I have" where the subject and the object are reversed, than it would be a refrence. But it is not.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 19:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' 1000% no. Where did you get this idea from? The fact that both have verbs in it? Oh! "Am" and "have" are both verbs with the letter "a!" That HAS to be a reference... Come on, guys... This doesn't even belong on STUFF :-( →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:49, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
**Tis why I said Balete--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:54, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''SECONDED!!'' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''DECLINE'D!''' Totally unfounded. Go away. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:04, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And geez, you could have at least spelled "children's" correctly. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*...learntospell... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:54, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bedroom Window====
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], but in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere, even though it should be in the shot. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 13:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Revise = Very Yes. Run-on sentences hurt my brain. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:42, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**It wasn't a run-on, but I still Decline. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**It totally was. It should have been broken into two sentences; somewhere between "Presents" and "but".
**'''Revise, accept''' It is a run-on scentence. Try:
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]. However, in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere even though it should be in the shot.
*'''Decline''' He could just be laying at the other end of the bed, thus the room would be flipped. Gah, most of the "goofs" posted aren't even genuine and this is no exception. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' This is not fun! Also, a run-on sentence needs to lack a conjunction or semicolon to be a run-on sentence, ***LACK*** an example would be this one I'm typing now. --[[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:44, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
**Totally untrue. Run-on sentences can have conjunctions; haven't you ever seen someone overuse the word "and?" Example: I went to the store and I bought some candy and then I went home and then I watched TV. There are conjunctions there, but it's still run-on. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:34, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***The sentance is fine, it just uses commas in the wrong place. Still doesn't make this a good fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.
*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It DOES screw with the timing of the joke. Mouth movements aren't the issue here. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[crazy cartoon]]===
====Sealab 2021====
"I'm gonna get you, Eh! Steve!" is a possible reference to an episode of the cartoon "Sealab 2021" called "Waking Quinn," in which a shark yells "I'm gonna get you Stinky Pete!" about seven minutes into the episode.

*'''Weak Decline''' At first, I wanted to be sure that the episode in question aired before [[crazy cartoon]], but as it turns out, the quote isn't precise ("I'll get you, Eh! Steve!" is the actual phrase). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:06, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**I did check TVTome.com, and the episode in question DID air before "crazy cartoon". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Major Decline''' It's likely that the Bros. Chaps watch Sealab, since they did a song for it. However, this reference is a huge stretch. "I'll get you (whoever) if it's the last thing I do!" is a common cliché phrase for villains. Sealab and this email were referencing the same general phenomenon. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:40, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:22, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' Listen, people, I don't know if you've figured this out yet, but just because you hear something in a movie then on something else doesn't automatically mean it's a reference, unless the movie says something that hasn't been said before. Like, if Strong Bad says "a little bit of the old ultraviolence", That would be a reference to A Clockwork Orange since that was basically the first popular movie to say that, but what if he said a phrase that has been used for decades and just happened to be in some popular movie, that doesn't make it a reference, okay? [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Uh...that's what this page is for, EEDIOT. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' And, BTW, who are you talking to, ISTK? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Old Characters Page]]===
====The H word====
Bubs' profile is one of the few instances that the word "hell" is used on the site, other instances being in [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] (Easter egg) and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]].
*'''Decline.''' Did you know that [[comic]] is one of the few instances that the word "<s>ass</s>" is used on the site, with the other instance being [[Hairstyle Runner]]? Well don't post a fact about it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:12, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Comment''' In [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] they say hella, not hell. --[[User:Koooo275|Kiril]] 10:30, 27 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Agree''' I never noticed that before.
*'''Comment and a decline''' The use of "hell" in the toons is more on the slang side than actual cursing. In the case of Parsnips its just referring to the fiery place of torment. So the use of "hell" isn't really worth noting. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Declardon me''' Oww, my freakin' ears! How could the Brothers Chaps stoop to such apalling vulgarity?! [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:47, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'd''' "one of the few"? tsk, tsk. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:36, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I doubt he was "offended" by the use of the word hell or anything like that, he was just noting a useless fact. Whatever the case, I decline.

===[[techno]]===
Strong Bad might have said "Oh very clever" after reading the name Silent J because it could be a reference to Jay and Silent Bob, a pair of recurring characters from [[Wikipedia:Kevin Smith|Kevin Smith's]] movies. It also may be clever because it's referring to the concept of a silent letter (for example, one would say "the word 'jalapeno' has a silent J"), and making reference to Silent Bob at the same time.

*'''Decline.''' I think the Silent Bob connection is a real stretch. The silent letter connection is much more reasonable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Revise.''' Funny, I think it's the other way around. It never occurred to me that "Silent J" would be anything but a play on "Jay and Silent Bob," but maybe that's my pop-culture-saturated brain. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:01, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The latter part doesn't work but the Silent Bob connection does. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:42, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' My brain is pretty saturated with pop-culture, too! However, it's from a time when Disco ruled and dinosaurs walked the earth! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' Jalepeño is the stretch; Silent Bob is the obviously correct one. And I haven't even watched J&SB! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:52, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I had thought he meant the fact that "Silent J" would mean he shouldn't actually say anything at all, so he was sort of duped, and he was mockingly calling him clever. I don't know. [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 22:48, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm...no.Thats more of a stretch than the "jalepeno" part of the fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** I think this is what is meant as well. After reading an e-mail, Strong Bad almost always starts his response with "Well, [insert name]", or "......, eh [insert name]?" Since the writer is calling himself Silent J, Strong Bad is at a loss to use his name in his reply.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:38, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' FWIW, "jalapeño" does not in fact have a silent J. The j is pronounced like an h, but it's certainly not silent. - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:25, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' - but the only revision this needs is to remove the uncertainty, because it's clearly a reference to Jay and Silent Bob.

===[[Experimental Film]]===
====Calvin and the Cotton Gin====
In a Calvin and Hobbes strip, Calvin sometimes would use "The Cotton Gin" as an answer to problems he did not know, even on math tests.
*'''Weak Decline''' Since the answer was right on that test (and never right on Calvin's tests) I don't think this is the case. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
**'''Comment''' We never actually see the questions to the test (except the first, which is "Are you all going to be in my experimental film?"), so we don't know if the answer is right. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on comment''' Actually, we know the answer was wrong, because the test-taker got an A+ after selecting a ''different'' answer (specifically, "Yeah!") --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:56, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on my own comment''' Well, okay, actually, I was assuming that it was multiple-choice and that the test-taker was selecting the first of four possible answers (notice the hilight). I suppose four questions being on a different page never really occurred to me before now. Oh, well, whatever. The test-taker got an A+. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:01, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Will the commentary never cease?''' You are right! I personally don't think it has much to do with whether it's a reference or not, though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*****'''Hehe, cease. Tis a funny word.''' *watches as people give me wierd looks*... Well, its true. Cease is a funny word. Neway, I '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:57, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seems a bit of a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:45, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept.''' This reference seems fine to me. Calvin did this a lot and I think of it when seeing "cotton gin" on a test. It might be a bit stretchy though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:49, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second'''
*'''Decline.''' Theres an essay by Mike Nelson (of '''Mystery Science Theater 3000''' fame) about how Eli Whitney and the cotten gin were all kids used to learn about in school. So the cotten gin answer isn't really an original idea (or at least not one to put a specific reference on). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Decline''' I read and own many Calvin and Hobbes comic collections. In my reading, I noticed that while Calvin did use The Cotton Gin as answers, he mostly just puts down random answers to questions he didn't know the correct answer to. Other answers include "Trostsky, Lexington, 1824", and so on. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 17:27, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decwine''' This is true, but not relevant. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:50, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or it could be that the question was 'What did Eli Whitney invent?' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[pom pom]]===
====Bubs...greedy?====
When Strong Bad smashes his face into the wall, Bubs puts up a sign saying that face smachings are $5. When Pom Pom beats the everloving crap out of Strong Bad, Bubs puts up a sign saying that severe beatings are $10. Could Bubs be greedy?
*'''Decline.''' This is definitely not the only reference to Bubs' greedyness. By the point this email comes out, anyone that knows Bubs would almost expect that of him. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Third.''' And add, duh. -- [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fourth.''' Everyone knows that Bubs' is greedy. It's not just the [[pom pom]] email. Don't forget [[local news]] where they have to pay 5 bucks to wait in line. It's a joke to poke fun at already known knowledge. (I know I'm being repetitive.) [[User:Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Fifth''' A fact by a newb. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (or '''Sixth''', I guess, to follow the pattern here...) - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:26, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ('''Seventh''') We all KNOW Bubs is greedy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:37, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline-inate'''And what about him charging increasing amounts of cash for pictures with the tragic hotdog clown? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Gee, you figured out Bubs was greedy all by yourself huh? No flashcards or anything? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[website]]===
====Mahir Cagri reference====
Strong Bad's closing remark that the writer of the email may be big in Pakistan tomorrow might be a reference to Mahir Cagri; a Turkish citizen whose personal website was the number one personal website of 2001.
*'''Decline.''' Seems like a stretch to me. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Maybe, but theres not enough evidence. It could just be a variation on "big in France" or "big in Japan" style jokes. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DECLINORZED''' A turkish website big in America... an American website big in Pakistan. These are not similar. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:10, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Fourth Wall Breaks]]===
====Strong Bad wants a cartoon====
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own.
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place? This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to "decline" the entire idea of logging "fourth wall breaks"... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. "So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...") - Dingell
*'''Decline''' But then, I think the whole "Fourth Wall Breaks" page is a waste of webspace for reasons I think are probably mentioned on its Talk page. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Hello, Viewers!====
In [insert Strong Bad Email here], Strong Bad says [insert speach here], which hints that he knows he's being watched by an audiance.
*'''Decline.''' There are too many of these out there, and they're almost all boring. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' I agree. This fun fact can not be placed anywhere. Could it be that he is so self-esteemed that he believes that he will have an audience for anything he does? [[User: Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' See vote for "Strong Bad wants a cartoon" --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[different town]]===
====Beastie Boys====
"This next one is the fourteenth song on my forty-second album" is a paraphrase of the Beastie Boys' [http://www.beastieboys.com/] introduction to their song "Jimmy James" on their album "Check Your Head". In that song, the Beasties begin by saying, "This Next One, Is The First Song On Our New Album..."
*'''Comment''' I STUFF'd this because it seems like a big stretch to me. I'm sure the Beastie Boys aren't the only ones who have said "this next one is the first song on our new album."
*'''Decline.''' Agreed - many bands have said this and it's way too common to be attributed to any one source. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:06, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:AwesomeSauce|AwesomeSauce]] 20:53, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:50, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondinated!!!''' --[[User:blakyoshi7|blakyoshi7]] 11:58, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Two'd!''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:11, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''2nd.''' ("Two'd". Rudeboy is now my hero!) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[little questions]]===
====Monty Python and the Holy Subtitles====
The pseudo-Swedish subtitles are very (too?) similar to the opening credits of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
*'''Decline''' There is a very key difference between them. In Monty Python, the subtitles are meant to look like they're in a foreign language when they're not. In little questions, they are meant to look English, translating pseudo-English being spoken to a Swede. That's not close enough for me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:00, 14 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' Entirely different subtitle gags - they just happen to share a common language. Also, the Holy Grail subtitles are not accompanied by the original audio that the subtitles are translating (I *know* there isn't an original audio track - I'm making a point here). And one more thing, the subtitles in 'little questions' are in English, not even QUASI-psuedo-Swedish. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:07, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crying]]===
====Crying like we've done before====
This is the second time a H*R character cries, the first time being in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*'''Decline.''' Unimportant, uninteresting, unacceptable. I don't see any reason to make note of this at all. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:47, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*'''Decline.''' Not very fun or interesting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:12, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And did you know that "Homsar" is the second e-mail that Strong Bad appears in? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Seconding all the declines above. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Though I did post a similar fun fact in Homestarloween Party using the knowledge from this fact. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And [[for kids]] was the second time we see Strong Bad smile, and in [[virus]] it is the second email where a Strong Bad's computer explodes. Do you see how boring that can get? [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 21:57, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''D to the Cline''' Uh... so? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:53, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====All y'alls====
"All a y'alls" is taken from [[sb_email_22]].
*'''Decline''' A slight stretch. I don't think Strong Bad said the exact same thing, and probably has said "all a y'alls" In another toon or sbemail. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:09, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I live in Houston, and I hear "all y'all" about 749 times a day. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
**True, it's a common saying. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''' Agreed. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' Ya, and he took "Holy Crap" from email 1, and 2, and every other frickin email hes done. BORING! *screen turns blue with white "Boring!" on it*--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:59, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diclyne''' "Taken from?" Hardly. He's just using a common phrase more than once. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:55, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[New Intro]]===
The HTML filename (intro.html) does not match its SWF counterpart, named newintro.swf. intro.swf is the Flash file for the Old Intro.

*'''Accept'''. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell of; why was this STUFF'd? Oh well... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is just like the Flash MX fact below. Who cares what the file is called?[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While file naming is notable in instances where there is an intended gag (as with E-mail #100 and the fake 100th e-mail page), this one doesn't even bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:54, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second''' As Homestar said, "Boring." --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' The Brothers Chaps used a new SWF filename so they could tell the difference between it and the older intro. The HTML filename is still the same because it causes the new intro to be the default. This saves the trouble of changing all the link paths on other pages. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I read this one before it was STUFF'd. I thought it was pretty interesting, kind of. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:38, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[2 emails]]===
====Ladies' Choice Awards====
"The 2003 Ladies' Choice Awards" is most likely a reference to "The Kids' Choice Awards", which is hosted by Nickelodeon each year.

*'''Decline.''' They could be talking about something else. Maybe a '''Revise''' could also be in order; lest we forget the People's Choice Awards? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:11, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline Second'd.''' It's probably more a reference to People's Choice than Kids' Choice since the former has been around longer. In any case, this joke is obvious enough that it doesn't need explanation. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:14, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' It's a People's Choice reference...
**'''Second''' Also Critic's choice awards--[[User:Saddy Dumpington's Soolnds]] 16:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:57, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fifth second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Comment.''' The Kids' Choice Awards themselves are probably a reference to the People's Choice Awards anyway.

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Rewrite''' How about "This is Sickly Sam's first appearance where he does not 'die'." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:15, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline Slightly''' We can all see Sickly Sam ATTEMPTED to kill himself by burying himself alive on a Tuesday. -Walking Armless
**1936 Bubs was buried alive too, but he seemed to be OK. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:31, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I disagree that anything noted as "so far" is bad (though "this is the first time" is usually more appropriate.) However, this fact isn't totally true as stated, so '''Rewrite and accept''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[dreamail]]===
====those weird little kids====
It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

*This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Strong Decline.''' Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Responding to the previous two''' He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity ''Murder Mystery'' which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Accept/Rephrase''' There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline.''' I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; ''Village of the Damned'', ''The Ring'', ''The Shinning'' etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' A scooby doo reference would be "If it weren't for those meddling kids..."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:48, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diggity-decline''' Yeah, or pretty much every cartoon series ever made. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' for reasons stated by others --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[old comics]] ===
====Strong Bad is an Old Man====
Strong Bad says that he appeared as a guest in the Castlefunnies comic strip, which he later notes was cancelled prior to the "dry pencil scare of '47". Since the email clearly takes place in 2004 (as noted at the end), this makes Strong Bad at least 57 years old.
*'''Accept''' [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 15:49, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' or even better '''Move'''. Excellent observation, but I think it would serve better on Strong Bad's and Homestar Runner's character biographies, stating that they must both have been born prior to 1947 according to this email. --[[User:62.252.224.13|62.252.224.13]] 16:19, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I put up this fact, and I think it's useful and "fun" as an anecdote, but it probably shouldn't be taken as a hard fact within the Homestar universe. Just to note a few contradictions that would arise if Strong Bad were in fact this old: (1) We probably wouldn't be able to have a VHS tape of Little Strong Sad performing stand-up comedy at school, (2) If the King of Town was already King in 1947, then The Cheat must have "mashed play on an extremely expensive jambox" before 1947, because the king was still a prince when said jambox-mashing occurred in sbemail 100, (3) A fiftysomething man goes trick-or-treating, and his mom helped him with his costume (Homestarloween Party)? Seems a bit strange. But anyway, I think it's worth pointing out the age factor.
*'''Comment''' I'm not too sure, I mean, the email is really just looking at it as though the character of Strong Bad was used back then(since, as just a character, the age wouldn't matter. The idea for Strong Bad's character could've been around then, but then later used in modern day times, like, for example, Popeye or Mickey Mouse, for whom age isn't an important factor.), but it's presented through Strong Bad's point of view, thus implying that he would have aged since then. Sure, one could note that "Strong Bad has been around for 58 years", but saying that Strong Bad himself is over 58 years old doesn't work for me. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline.''' I can't see any proof that the Castlefunnies actually "happed". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:47, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE.''' Some of you are reading way WAY too much into this. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:56, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Wow! Maybe old timey Homestar IS regular old Homestar...nah. Its a joke used for one e-mail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Very interesting, but it should be reworded. This isn't Strong Bad's age, it's just him showing that he knows that he's an unaging cartoon character. It's a forth wall break. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 10:48, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept and rephrase''' It is interesting, but maybe it should be rephrased into the passive, saying "If it is true, Strong Bad would be 57 years old." That, or we've caught Strong Bad making things up, and there never was a Castle Funnies.[[User:Aaronite|Aaronite]] 6:32, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, this is radiculous. Definitely not fun in any way... And probably not accurate either. It's just a joke. A one-time joke. Get over it. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:00, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Worst prize'D, Ding''' People, we have encyclopedias, we can look things up. Just because we know things about the revolutionary war, doesn't mean that we're 200 years old. We go to school, and we learn things. So there. --64.136.27.226 18:01, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Um... you should READ the fun fact before you vote for it. Sure, just because you know about the Civil War doesn't mean you're 200 years old, but what about if you FOUGHT in it? Because the "fighting in the Civil War" metaphor paralells the fact in question, not your post.
*'''Decline''' Ummm, if this was taken literally, then how old would the KoT be?! Strong Bad's a liar, and this is a one-time joke, as said many times above. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:11, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Chew on this: There's a 1936 version of Strong Bad out there, so it could be an "older" version of Strong Bad in the Castlefunnies, and not actually the present-day one. As it is, the other Castlefunnies characters look different from their present-day counterparts, and the Poopsmith actually had a different name.
*'''Decline.''' First of all, the castlefunnies was not syndicated in 1947. The strip is in color, and it's only one line long, not half a page! The poopsmith talking in commas is a clear reference to woodstock in the Peanuts strip, who didn't even exist until the late 1960s. And the font used for the title "The Castlefunnies" looks much too modern. When Strongbad talks about the fact that the dry pencil scare of '47 only lasted three days, what he's saying (assuming he's not just making up the pencil scare just to be sarcastic) is that there was NO pencil scare at the time that they started producing the castlefunny pencil moistener (whenever that happened to be--looking at the comic strip style, I'd guess in the 60s at the earliest, though possibly as recent as modern day). --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' Just needs something like "If what Strong Bad says is true...". [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====The Strong Mad Ate Pasta Salad With Homestar's Spoon Controversy of Aught-Five====
The spoon in Strong Mad's easter egg is the one Homestar uses as "Colonel" of the Homestarmy.

*'''Decline.''' Need we bring up the ketchup example? Too general. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:05, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd!''' Hmmm, is ''anyone'' getting the picture that TBC reuse things all the time? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Apparently not if the STUFF'D fact below is any indication (oh, and '''second'''). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' This one IS too general... (however, the one below is not) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' Holy crap! This cartoon is the 192nd time Strong Bad's head appears. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:11, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Honestly!''' A word to the administrators: I move that these copy-and-paste Fun Facts be DELETED immediately. Do I have a second to this motion?
** I move that you SIGN your vote. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:40, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second Kerrek's Motion''' People these days are getting sloppy with vote signage. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:32, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[best thing]] ===
==== Rudiments ====
"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

*'''Decline''' This is more likely a variation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]." Also, percussion stickings are written exclusively in caps; I think this reference would be more believable if the line appeared as "RRLL RRLL" in the e-mail. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Living in Houston, I hear people pronouncing "real" as "rrll" about 2,568 times a day. I took this as a joke based on southern accents. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 04 Apr 2005

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

*'''Revise and Accept.''' The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
::--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
***What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*****C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
******Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*******'''Decline.''' Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
* Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***"Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in [[monster truck]], it doesn't show up in their [[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards]], or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in [[haircut]] or [[flashback]] (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides [[Puppet Time]]). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** I like how you added in "as usual", as if we've had a million arguments before when in fact I do believe this is the closest thing to an argument I've had here (and if it isn't, its the first one I've had with you. The fact is that if the guitar had been a cartoon prop people would've jumped on it screaming "TBC re-use things all the time". The guitar was not central to joke. It could have been any guitar that was thrown. Therefore, its just another prop. Second, one thing you said is that this fact is valid because some viewers might not have noticed the guitar's re-usage. The re-use is even less important if its been pointed out elsewhere on the site (hey, lets mention that Homsar started out in the e-mail "Homsar" everytime he appears). ITS. JUST. A. PROP. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***It doesn't matter how much you capitalize it or put periods after every word, it doesn't make it more true or the guitar less noticeable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*<s>'''Accept''' It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)</s>
**After reading all the arguments, I am changing my vote to a '''Decline'''. Animated or not, it is stiull just a prop and is just as unimportant. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I found this fact interesting. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Y'alls can argue all you want, but I think the fact is good enough to be mentioned. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:17, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd.''' Donny is being argumentative, as he usually is. The majority so far is ruling, so get used to it. Oh, and... if you want it to be possessive, it's just ITS, but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's IT apostrophe S. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:00, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cancelled after first episode====
There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:
:'''You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961'''
:'''Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969'''
:'''Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979'''
:'''South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993'''
:'''Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000'''
Of the five, '''Turn-on''', ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "'''Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In'''," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

*'''"SEVERE DECLINE!"''' (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG ACCEPT!!''' I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "'''montage'''". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --[[User:s t i n k o m a n K|s t i n k o m a n K]]
** Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. '''DECLINE''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a '''second''' on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
** The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Point One''' This has been mentioned about other single-episode shows already. '''Point Two''' Nobody wants to read about failure shows on a site about a successful web cartoon.
*'''Major Revision then Accept''' Only keep Turn-On, because, like the Limozeen cartoon, it didn't even make it through the pilot episode. Oh, and '''Point Three''' Sign your vote.--[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:43, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

====Space Gary & Facegary====
"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, [http://www.jamesweb.co.uk/index.php?jw=facegary1 Facegary].
* '''Decline''' Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**Second
**Third - JZ
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (What is it with the constant claims, based on the most tenuous of similarities, that something is "almost certainly" a reference to some obscure webtoon or other phenomenon? I think some people need to review the definition of "certainly"...) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' By almost certainly, of course, you mean "no way in hell except in my twisted mind", right? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' That's what I got from it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second Part II''' Facegary is too twisted, man. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Parappa the Noodle ====
Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaRappa_the_Rapper_2 Parappa the Rapper 2]".
* '''Decline''' Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second'''; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played ''Parappa'', but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --[[User:blackbelt|blackbelt]] 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
*Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. '''DECLINE.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' Explain why it could be a reference. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**In Parappa the Rapper 2, a group of people are turning anything and everything into noodles.

====They Might Be Giants reference?====
Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to [http://www.tmbg.com They Might Be Giants'] John Flansborgh.
*'''Decline.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' And it's '''Flansburgh''' not "Flansborgh". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Neutral''' I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
*'''Decline.''' The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE''' TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
** Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** Says the guy that '''Decline'''d it in the first place... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Flash MX====
This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.
*'''Comment''' I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --[[User:67.177.52.133]] 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, '''Decline'''. -- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava]]
*'''Decline''' Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Revise, accept''' As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:

The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.

:Signed: [[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**'''Comment.''' While "newintro" had a good reason for the different filename, this doesn't, so, '''Decline'''(unless sbemail126.swf gives you something different, in which case, '''Accept'''). --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

*'''Decline.''' This rambles and makes no sense. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
* '''Revise, Accept''' Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second t3h second'''--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
****'''Is this in respons to my comment of ISTK's? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I thought that was the joke. [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I like this rewrite. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Alternate Rewrite''' Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
*'''Decline''' While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
** '''Second''' Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* '''Rewrite, Accept''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

*'''Accept''' I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' They're similar, but definitely not the same. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:13, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''"STRONG ACCEPT!"''' Good eye, good eye! --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Even if it does look the same, it is worth noting that the claw is reappearing. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Guy With a Metal Jaw ====
With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in [[Wikipedia:Masters_of_the_Universe|the He-Man tv show]], another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.
:Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
:Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
:Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
::Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
:Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)

*'''Revise''' Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Also remove "etc.. etc." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This seems really vauge. A lot of villains could look like that. The "Or's" say enough.
*'''Decline''' Everyone should be able to recognise instantly that the villian is your generic 80s cartoon villian before being told in a 'fun' fact. Those that can't probably don't care. It's as useful as saying that limozeen's long hair is a reference to Poison and other bands where guys had long hair. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This. That. Other thing. No good. --[[User:Jay|Jay]]

==== See you in syndication ====
Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like ''Clerks'' or ''Family Guy'' which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

*'''Decline''' It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second'''
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:39, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It actually happened the opposite way with ''Clerks'': It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== The Beatles ====
The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).
*'''Decline''' The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Need I really say why? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show ====
Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in [[montage]], but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).
*'''Decline''' I really don't see why. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Move''' It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the [[Inside Jokes]] page (where it seems like it would most belong). --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline''' It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Background Goof ====
When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

*'''Comment:''' I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Move, then Accept''' Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Absolutely not!''' References to "This that and the other thing" are totally useless and encourage people to add to it, making it MORE useless. Maybe an Explanation or Remark, but not a Reference. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Rewrite.''' This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Babylon 5 ====
"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold is in question)

*'''Accept:''' Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline:''' it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.[[User:Keab42|Keab42]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Sergeant Marshie]] ===
==== Marshie's Initial ====
His first initial is 'M'.
*'''Decline'''
**'''Second.''' But sign your vote →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:33, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's great kid. You want a cookie everytime you point out the obvious?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 16:00, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third, fourth...'''I think you get the drift. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:58, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Shouldn't it just be "His initial is 'M'"? We don't know that he's got any others. Also, fun fact already noted in the [[Cheat Commandos...O's]] Fun Facts. So '''Decline'''. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]]
**'''NOTE''': I just checked the Cheat Commandos...O's Fun Facts again, and it is only his first initial. Oh, the (slight) embarrassment. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 20:03, 27 March 2005 (BST)
*'''Decline''' As it is, this item is mind-numbingly obvious - but even if you're referring to the easter egg in the Cheat Commandos...O's toon, it's also already noted on that page as well. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:23, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. It's major obvious that his first initial is "M", because his first name is Marshie. He doesn't have "Sergant" in his name. DO THE MATH! --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:13, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And this is news, how? Strong Bad's first initial is S, but I don't see that anywhere. Really.
*'''ULTRA OMEGA SUPER SEVERE HYPER ALPHA DECLINE!'''-What is this crap?!---[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]
*'''Decline''' Wow, I gotta say this is fan-FREAKING-tastic! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 05:19, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Double Decline!''' What? 'M'arshie's initial is M? Wow! Have you noticed the Strong Bad pill in the new games menu has SB on it? Come on!! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:02, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' OK, enough with the sarcasm already - in case you hadn't figured it out, this item is in reference to the easter egg at the end, the one that shows the Marshie action figure. The box says "His first initial is 'M' - that's where this comes from. Someone's not being totally dense; it's from an easter egg and therefore, someone felt it was mentionable... even though the quote itself points out something undeniably obvious. Cut the guy a little slack (whoever he is)... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** All right, all right. However, Eggman, please close the voting, because you KNOW more people will chime in unless you do. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[colonization]] ===
==== Until next week... ====
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[dragon]] ===
==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====
The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".
*'''Weak decline.''' Doubtful. "appears to be very similar." So you're not sure whether or not it's similar? I think that TBC just wrote their own stuff. Even if it appears to be similar, that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the creation of the the song. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:23, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe second'''Severe seconding a weak decline,--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====
"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis
*'''Severe decline.''' Just because something sounds like something else doesn't make it a reference. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:41, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe Second''' --[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:28, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Ticked-off Third''' -- I just think it's stupid. That's all.
*'''ULTIMATE DECLINE'''. It was just three words toghether from three different emails. Why was ths STUFF'D? --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''a-digga-diggga-digga-DELETE!''' This is stupid. It's not why was this STUFF'd- why was it even put on the board in the first place. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:53, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Definitely Decline.''' -[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
*I choose you, '''Declinachu!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seriously. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:15, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.
* '''Decline.''' Didn't consider this a "fun" fact at all... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. It was well observed, but as a 'second incidence' it isn't much fun. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 13:37, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."
* '''Weak Decline.''' Felt this was a bit of a stretch, though I did wonder if it was a reference myself. Still, "Rosebud" is the last dying whisper of Citizen Kane, while Rose-face is anything BUT whispered. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Too much of a stretch, IMO. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:14, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Just because two words sound the same does not mean they are connected. He doesn't even say it in the way that rosebud is used in Citizen Cane. --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.
*'''Decline.''' I don't think that they were purposefully referencing the Pizzaz Pizza oven. The two words are just spelled similarly. (Also, there was a restaurant where I live called "Pizza Pizzazz," but you don't see me putting that down as a fun fact) :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 10:02, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong decline.''' I don't think that this this really is a "fun fact." It's barely a fact. It's incidental at best. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:50, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''SUPER DECLINE'''. Why it was a fun fact probably has to with some people make stuff y'know, with words from bigger words. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:19, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or, it could be... '''Pizza'''z, which I think is pretty obvious. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====
At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline.''' Good thinking, but this is definitely not a reference. This isn't the first time this stage has been shown (See [[A Decemberween Pageant]]) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 16:29, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**I just watched ADP, and the part of the stage in question is not visible. Perhaps I should look in the email where the stage appears (I don't remember the name right now). [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
***In the very first scene after marzipan says "Homestar, I don't think those are your lines." That's when they show the whole stage.
**** Hmmm...how did I miss that? [[User:24.58.44.43|24.58.44.43]] 19:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Just because it's already shown doesn't mean it's not a reference. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:17, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===
In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''''Note:''' this submission created the section on STUFF, but named it incorrectly as "[[Where The Cheat Is At?]]". This is referenced at least once in the votes below.''

*'''Decline and also, who cares?!''' And sometimes Homestar's shirt is a lighter shade of blah blah blah. Fun facts are meant to be FUN, okay? You didn't even get the name of the cartoon right! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' - yeah, it's a nice detail, but not really all that worth mentioning; too minor. (And Donny, nothing personal, but that was pretty harsh, man. Might want to tone down before we hurt someone's feelings...) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:02, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd''' →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:58, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)
** I'll tone you down my lord! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment'''Just to give you a head's up, Donny, those were the ''rudest'' words I have ever heard. Realize that this is a cartoon, ''' '' PLEASE '' '''. If you ever spoke like that in the real world, you would get your butt kicked.
***'''Comment''' Uh-huhhhh...1) Sign your post. 2) Scroll up. People are saying far ruder things than I did, including the person who told me to "tone it down". 3) I was blunt not rude, boo hoo. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****To be frank, what I said didn't really seem rude to me. I'm not particularly sure how you can say that my politely asking you to tone down is far ruder than coming up to somebody's face and practically calling them an idiot. (Unless you mean something completely unrelated?...) Also, being ''harsh'' to somebody's face like that IS generally a rude thing. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:41, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** To be frank, I think that saying "Well this is a stupid fun fact" and then proceeding to rip apart the contributor with a SB quote is pretty rude. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''EXTREME DECLINE!!!''' This is a pathetic fun fact. That's all there is to it.--[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 13:54, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I have no problem with this one. Remove the last sentence, and you're good to go. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[secret recipes]]===
====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' If he always pronounced 'n's and 'm's, wouldn't he have said "pimecome"? Just saying... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:40, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' And Homestar also pronounces R's as W's, but we're not putting that one in the funfacts either, are we? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:10, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Almost everyone is saying that this is common. But really - other than "pimecone" and "pamcake", when has Homestar EVER switched Ms and Ns? I can't think of even one other time. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====
Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

*'''Decline.''' Bratslava isn't a country, nor is it even spelled right! The correct spelling is Bratislava, which is the capital of Slovakia. The only one who could even really be considered a reference is Bumdumborge, and even that's a stretch. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** '''Second''' The Luxembourg reference is TOO obvious, and the "Bratslavia" too wrong. The former Yugoslavia would work better, but it's still pretty obvious that SB was just making up country-like names off the top of his head (similar to Dortugal and Prance.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:23, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
** Yeah, but at least Dortugal and Prance ARE real country names, only with the first letter changed. These ones are just totally random, and not correlating to anything, so... '''Second'''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:27, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
*Maybe that's why he said it was an obvious reference. And, if anyone cares to know, someone revised this fact, so this STUFF really isn't necessary. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:27, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**...and I wrote this one. But give me a break! I'm not from Europe, and I was wrong. Get off my back. Like I said, It's been changed. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Why the hell do you think nobody's commented on this since February 15? I know it was changed. We all know it was changed. Why do you think I STUFFed it in the first place? In a way it was to get it to be changed! Word to the wise, acekirby13, next time you try to post a fun fact, make sure it's as factual as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll stand up in a court of HR Wiki law, but at least you won't be laid to ridicule as much as you were here. And if you're this sensitive to criticism, then don't post here at all. Nobody likes a crybaby! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:22, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Calm down, Kerrek! Nobody likes a smartass either. [[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:23, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
*****Maybe not, but he shouldn't have complained about my STUFFing his fact.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 06:39, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
******Who's complaining? I simply stated why my fact was so dam wrong. Your face doesn't have to turn the color of the Reddest Raddish because of that. And, at least I admitted to such a terrible mistake. I'm sure that more than a couple of users haven't stood up and admitted to their STUFFed facts. ...anyway, its over and done, so lets drop it, or this could turn into a pretty bad flame war. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:12, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*******Whatever, bro. Just be careful what you post in the future, and don't threaten me again. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:26, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===
==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

*'''DECLINE'''-- It's just weird. Unsettling.
**Whats unsettling about it?--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:03, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Decline'''-- I don't find this item to be necessary at all. If anything, it's the *only* time, because they try to do things different with the credits with each new toon. This is, at best, a running gag, and shouldn't be placed on this toon's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:15, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''¡Second!''' Just like how I try to type 'Declined' different every time. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' So? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===
==== Coincedincem ====
According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

*'''Decline.''' TBC reuse flash items a lot! So, I guess it's not a coincedincem. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:35, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:31, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
***'''Third.''' The movies themselves take place in 1936, which was a long time ago, coincedemtally.
****'''FOURTH'D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:34, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Keep.''' It's poorly worded, for sure, but I never noticed it before and think it's interesting enought to keep. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:25, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Fifth'D!''' It Sucks! TBC recycle stuff so their brains don't get screwed!

=== [[other days]] ===
==== Tappity Tappity ====
When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

* Although it was deleted as "not fun", I'm not too sure that it deserves it. Your opinions? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:03, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad often clears the screen by just typing more, analogous to a 'soft return' onto the next page. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:39, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Who cares? Fun facts are supposed to be, well, FUN. They're not about picking out every insignifcant detail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Yeah its a good fun fact? all ya'lls are too picky [[User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*'''Accept.''' Seems to me like a good fact. It's definitely a glitch if TBC usually use the 'enter' noise. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
**You know Evin290, TBC mock fans who use logic like that (Homestar does NOT have a stupid uncle egg). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*** Are you taking a H*R line way too seriously in order to convince people not to take a H*R way too seriously...? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:58, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
**** '''Comment.''' I'm just saying that it's probably worth having because it's out of the norm. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:19, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline!''' On most of my computers I use, it's usually the SPACE BAR that sounds different, not the return/enter key. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:28, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' On my computer, both sound different. Anyway, I think its good enough to be in there. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''', If we acepted this than we'd have to accept all the other fun facts that mentioned a slight, often unimportant, difference. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' That's a good point. Too bad you didn't sign your post. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**Did now --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Ok then. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second.''' At best, this should be called a goof. However, people who enjoy reading goofs would probably scorn this level of pickiness (maybe. I don't care for what people call goofs here personally...)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:15, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
***I've seen "Goofs" around here a LOT worse than this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Pizzle the Nizzle ====
The line "positate the negative" refers to the song Accentuate the Positive, by Johnny Mercer.

*'''Decline.''' Both the Johnny Mercer song and strongbad's line refer to evangelical preaching in general. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:41, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Actually, no. '''Decline.''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:18, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[radio]] ===
====German Radio? ====
Old-timey Strong Bad's pronunciation of radio (rah-dio) is actually the German pronunciation of the word.

*'''Declined.''' I think this is purely co-incidental. I think TSB is pronouncing the word in an "old-timey" way (e.g. newspapper rather than newspaper in [[That a Ghost]]). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:44, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's also the Korean, spanish, italian, etc pronunciation of "radio." For whatever reason, the word radio has been kept as something similar to "rah-di-o" in most languages. Is it funny that americans say "cul-de-sac" almost like the french do?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:14, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondeth''' A coincident. It's meant to be old-timey, like "Four-and-twenty". (Which bears resemblance to, for example, Dutch.) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' It may be co-incidental, but I didn't know that and I think it's interesting enought to keep. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.
*'''Neutral''' What do you guys think?
*'''Accept''' It sounds like a good fact. I mean I didn't know it. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Second!''' -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 08:24, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Interesting and certainly not common knowledge. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' Considering TBC live east of the Mississippi, they probably used it because it just sounded better to them than using a "K". [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]]
*'''Weak Accept''' Not really anything groundbreaking, but the standard for naming radio station call signs based on relation to the Mississippi River isn't necessarily common knowledge. However, like the above voter said, it could just be coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:30, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:59, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept.''' Another poorly-worded fun fact. Add info about TBC's geography for good measure. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:30, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Terminally Confused''' Free Country USA was never a place, so trying to map out its probable location is redundant. -Walking Armless
*'''Accept''' I never knew that. I like it. --[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 15:57, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It's kind of a cool fact, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or not. --[[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*<s>'''Accept...almost''' It's probably true...I think. I live in New England, where the radio stations are W..., but when I took a trip to California, the radio stations were K..., but I need more proof that the Mississippi River determines it. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:46, 2 Mar 2005 (MST) </s>
*'''Accept!''' There's some border between K and W, according to the FCC. If if it was ZSBD, Free Country USA would not be in any plausible place in the States. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:31, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Here's a [http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm document] that explains K/W radio call letters. Note that there are exceptions to the general rule (e.g. WBAP in Dallas, KDKA in Pittsburgh). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:26, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Accept now''' Thank's tomstiff, thats just the proof i needed. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' Heck, I *LIVE* in Pittsburgh, and I completely forgot about KDKA... Still, it's nice to see that explained. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Comment''' I wonder if WSBD is a play on Atlanta radio station WSB. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:36, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
** Uh... if anything, it's just a joke on '''S'''trong '''B'''a'''D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' I'm not sure if it's true because I didn't research it at all but it is interesting and not common knowlage --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*'''Neutral.''' I'm not from the USA, so I wouldn't know if it's true. If it is, then I '''Accept.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:26, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====WSBD in Ohio====
There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

*'''<s>Possible</s> Decline''' This might not be a fact at all, since the only positive reference I could find that listed a WSBD in Cleveland is [http://www.cisworldservices.org/newsarticles/news_wsbdradio1.html this page], which is likely a mistake by the author of the CIS webpage, as there is a [http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wspd&x=0&y=0&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid= WSPD] radio station in Toledo, Ohio with a newsradio format. Could anyone (possibly from Ohio) positively confirm or deny this? <s>(Note: Fun fact not removed from page)</s> --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:01, 7 Mar 2005 (MST) A bit of fact-checking on the [http://www.fcc.gov/ FCC website] has not turned up any licensing information for the WSBD call-sign, which pretty much indicates that no station exists with those call letters. It's technically possible that a radio station WSBD may have existed at one time, but not anymore. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 10:32, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seconding above. Might this reference be a play on Atlanta radio station WSB? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23;40, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' It's definetely a play on Strong Bad. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[origins]]===
====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but its a possible reference.

====Señor & Mr.Bland====
Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

===[[funny]]===
====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
====Poopsmith====
The Poopsmith never blinks.
*'''Decline''' Do I really need to say why? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' Who cares if he never blinks? [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]]
***'''Third''' I don't think ANY character in H*R blinks! -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Comment''' Actually Homestar blinks, ''quite'' frequently, I might add. [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Okay, okay. MOST characters don't blink, unless I'm missing something giant here. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:54, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' If you're gonna put something about a character in a cartoon and not the cartoon itself, I strongly suggest putting it on [[The Poopsmith]] character page.

====Wall Markings====
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]]===
==== Buck Privates ====
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.

*'''Decline.''' I've never seen ''Buck Privates'' but unless there's a scene with Lou under a Heavy Lourde type weight and Bud under a sack of potatoes this sure seems like a stretch to me -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2004
**'''Second''' Indeed. There are more cartoons/movies where that happens. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:33, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]]===
==== Starbucks ====
Double Double Whippless Mochaccino Half Caf is a Coffee drink from Starbucks. However, it is actually called a Venti Half-caf frapaccino w/o whipped cream (not all Starbucks serve this). Double Double refers to a coffee from Tim Hortons with two creams and two sugars.

*'''Decline.''' But wait. If the drink is actually called something else then it's *not* available. Da Bros are just making fun of Starbucks, not refering to a real drink. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline.''' Not only is this not the exact name of a Starbucks drink, the person who posted this fact also had the drink wrong; a Mochaccino is not the same as a Frappuccino or even a Mocha Frappuccino, and "double double" refers to the amount of espresso in the drink, not the size of the drink (so we don't know it's Venti).
**A "Double Double" refers to a coffie having 2 creams and 2 sugars. But still '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 06:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Yes, if you're drinking regular coffee. A Mochaccino is an espresso-based drink. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 07:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seriously, read what you just said... how can it be the same thing, if it's NOT the same thing? Yeesh. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====The Intercom====
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Soofa Group?====
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon.
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

*'''Decline''' Its not the first time a character was created based on a throwaway gag (Homsar for instance).
*'''Accept''', since it's a fairly interesting point.
*'''Accept''' This has been confirmed by TBC as the original source of the name "Stinkoman". I think this is significant enough to note here as well as in "japanese cartoon". - [[User:tim333|tim333]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Modify, accept.''' Say that this is the first instance of the name Stinkoman. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**Second. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:03, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' - GOOD example of forward referencing. Much unlike that "Eh! Steve" one at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:34, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Fairly obvious and already noted on the Stinkoman page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I don't see any problem with two pages cross-referencing each other. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' This is important enough to warrant an entry. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:23, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====
The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

*I would have to say '''Decline''' to both of those. [[The_Brothers_Chaps|TBC]] probably have just been reusing cool ideas. Not any relation to future.
**Second that.
**'''Second''' --[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 09:49, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I doubt that Strong Bad salting his foot was in anyway foreshadowing another e-mail. Especially if we don't know if they had recieved the interview e-mail at that point.
**'''Second''' Plus both of these are already on the pages for the japanese cartoon and island emails
**'''Second''', but you guys need to sign your votes or they don't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:24, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Seems perfectly reasonable to me. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

=== [[2 years]] ===
==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 09:04, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Oh, like: "E. Fullmer's name could be Ed Fullmer, a play on Elmer Fudd" or "E. Fullmer's name could be Evan Fullmer, a disc jockey in Georgia I know, and the brothers chaps are from Georgia." --24.21.86.243 00:19, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**TBC claim not to have come up with any of the content in the e-mails Strong Bad answers, so the name is probably not a joke. Maybe someone who has experience with the LDS church could comment on whether it's common for an elder to sign in that fashion.--[[User:216.231.36.102|216.231.36.102]] 09:35, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Don't suppose this matters much now, since it's verified that he was a Mormon missionary, but for the record no, it's not common at all. I'm a Mormon, and I've served a mission myself, and I've never seen "Elder" abbreviated like that (before). But apparently there's always a first time... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 02:19, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
****In fact, actually, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. Not only is "Elder" in my experience never abbreviated to "E.", but it wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to himself as "Elder Fullmer" in the first place. If he's sending an e-mail saying he's going to be gone for two years and unable to access the web, that means he hasn't started his mission yet, and he wouldn't be calling himself "Elder Fullmer" yet. Okay, I understand someone says this guy is a friend of his coworker and he was indeed a soon-to-be Mormon missionary, fine, but...did his first name, by any chance, start with E? Because that would still make a lot more sense than the "E." standing for Elder when Elder isn't abbreviated that way and he wouldn't be calling himself Elder yet anyway. In fact, the personal testimonial notwithstanding, this rings false for me on enough levels I'm going to have to vote '''Decline''' on this one unless some more direct evidence arises. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 16:07, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:gwr2004|gwr2004]] 11:15, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*Didn't someone say they actually knew E. Fullmer, who is indeed a mormon missionary? Wait... [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=7029&highlight=#7029 yes]. Of course, that may not necessarily mean anything, but I still say '''accept''' either way. - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
:I'm going to have to '''Accept'''. Because it's true! And 216.231.36.102, it's not terribly common for missionaries to sign things that way, but I think he did it so people could get the joke without being so blatant as to write out Elder. I do know that H*R is saturatingly popular at both USU and BYU, so there would be plenty of people to get the joke. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:16, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept'''. Click on the link above - this is a verified fact. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:23, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept''' -- I didn't know that. Definately an interesting tidbit and should be accepted as long as there is enough supporting evidence to merit the assumption. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' I think this should be reworded, because it has been verified. Something like "E. Fullmer is a Mormon missionary, which explains why he will be absent for the next two years," or something. [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
**'''Decline the above revise, accept the original''' The original is a plausible enough explanation, whether it's true or not (and a lot of fun facts are based on more sketchy information). However, I would decline the above revise because someone posting on a message board about 'the best friend of my coworker' is not the same as verification. I should know... my brother's boss's former roommate was the guy whose stomach exploded because he mixed Pop Rocks and Coke. --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 00:29, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====
According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

* '''Decline''' He could simply be there, or visiting. You don't have to belong to a country to visit it, or even to reside in it. (Jim Carrey wasnt amercan until recently but he lived there for years).--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*** Did now--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If that was the case, the sign would read "Population: Tire, Bundt Cake Pan, Coach Z, and Strong Sad." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:59, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**Like, totally '''Second''', dude! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Although I think this fact is wrong, I just want to point out that the population on the tire isn't entire accurate. Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat aren't listed, and we all know they're in there. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:44, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Might I quote the national anthem? "The people are so great, but really there's only me, and that means I'm so great, and also there's the Cheat." --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:54, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====A grill, a doghouse, a trash can, an igloo and the TARDIS====
The spacious interior of The Cheat's house may be a reference to Snoopy's house from the Peanuts comics. It also looked small and ordinary on the outside, but was very large and luxurious on the inside, housing, among other things, his prized Van Gogh. It might also be a reference to Oscar the Grouch's trash can (from Sesame Street), which is also small on the outside, but contains a swimming pool and a number of other facilities within. It could also be a reference to the Nickelodeon show Doug, where his smart dog's (Porkchop) igloo is WAY roomier than it looked. Or even the TARDIS from Dr Who...

*'''Neutral''' I doubt its a reference to any those, but for some reason, I don't want to decline it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:03, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak decline - needs severe rewrite''' This is actually a combination of several entries from that page that should have been combined in a single fact, so I did. The trouble is, there are way too many references noted here. The "roomier than it looks" gag isn't anything new, and severe rewrite on this is needed in order for this to be acceptable. At the very least, the Oscar and TARDIS references need to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:53, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Alls I know is that Snoopy's house was huge on the inside. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 09:00, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's a reference to this... and a reference to that... and a reference to this other thing... and a reference to something else... make up your mind! I hate "facts" like this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
**'''Comment.''' Actually you CAN see how far the Grabbo Arm goes off screen. just watch the .swf file. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally. This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste. These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]

==== Slippers ====
*Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Blade man ====
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Wizard of Oz ====
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless

==== Beat It ====
Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Alms for the pudgy, paintbrush ringing, and '''Accept''' the rest. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Big Time! But with edit: "The piano nightshirt Homestar wears is the same as Michael Jackson's in the "Beat It" music video." Not sure how you'd call this speculation - it's quite specific, and funny as hell, more so than Weird Al wearing it in "Eat It". And racerx, what exactly are you getting at here?--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 13:53, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)
** What racerx is getting at, BTW, is that User:24.21.86.243 added a whole bunch of Fun Facts under one heading and Declined them all with one comment. Someone later came in and split them, putting User:IP's Decline in all of them (which is why all of the Fun Facts near this one have the same Decline comment, even where inappropriate). Apparently, racerx responded to all of them but didn't get his response split in quite the way he'd intended (he meant to decline two of the facts and accept the rest) - and I'm surprised I'm just now noticing. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

I went ahead and added this, combined with the existing not-as-fun fact about the 'anatomically incorrect' keyboard. After finding and watching the video, this is even stronger evidence, as MJ's t-shirt is incorrect in exactly the same way. --[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:55, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd. Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes. Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important? Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left? He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon. It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it. Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction: I made a mistake. The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]] Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment:''' I don't think the Brothers Chaps know this. See [[crying]]. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* Decline Janik
*'''Decline''' There are people named ''State Troopers''. Sheesh, all of this rhyming stuff. Ok, Homestar Runner rhymes with Domepar Stunner. So it's a reference to that tv show? Come on, that kind of thing annoys me! [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===
====Sterrance====
Sterrance's feet look remarkably like the feet of Mickey Mouse

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Lappy Startup Screen ====
The Lappy's boot-up process-- including the sound, the icon, and the logo text-- is very reminiscent of that of [http://www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/macos/macos80/macos80/startupshutdown Mac OS 8].　--[[User:codeman38|codeman38]] 21:51, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks, this item had no clear consensus with 2 Decline votes, 2 Rewrite votes, and a Move vote. The discussion for this item is moved to the [[Talk:Lappy 486]] page --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Price is Right... Again ====
The way Strong Bad is describing Lappy could be a nod to the game show ''The Price Is Right''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a rewritten version of this item was Accepted by a very small margin. It appears in its rewritten form on the page for [[animal]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Weird laptop ====
After some measuring, I figured that the Lappy 486 has the aspect ratio of 1.67:1. A normal display would have the aspect ratio of 1.3:1 and a widescreen display has the aspect ratio of 1.85:1. So the Lappy must have a resolution of around 400x240. More or less. Was there such a display back then? (Yeah, I know this is suppose to be on the Lappy page, but I want to confirm this information and I didn't want to put it there until I made sure.)

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Lappy 486]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.
*'''Accepterific''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:07, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====
When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

*'''Accept''': Looks good to go
*Good to go my eye. '''Decline''', '''''unless''''' you can '''Revise''' this to mention what Atari game it is. You've got plenty of time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:22, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**[http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600 Use this.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:53, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Weak Decline''' -- Basically, this is the same sound made when you roll over the 'store' button on [[Main Page 13]], as well. Even so, there doesn't seem to be any indication in the wiki page for that what game (or games) this sound could have been taken from. Personally, it doesn't seem like something worth spending a whole lot of time on researching. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 01:45, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' If you don't remember which one it was, why make it a fun fact? →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I like that music, and it could be in a PBTC voice. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:46, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Der Klein''' Find out what the game is, and maybe this'll work. Until then, don't waste our time, especially if you only THINK it's a reference. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[virus]] ===
====Real virus?====
Since the curret Frequently Asked Questions page says every email but 'mile' is real, it's safe to assume someone actually tried to crash Compy 386 by sending a virus to Strong Bad.

*'''Decline''' I've got a real problem with this one. The e-mail could have just been corrupted or broken in transit, or, like 'fhqwhgads', it could have been someone just mashing on the keyboard. Also, since Compy 386 isn't actually a real computer, someone couldn't actually "crash" it by sending a virus to Strong Bad. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:20, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's probably just a nonsense email they recieved like the Fhqwhgads. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:45, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' As written anyway. Revise as "someone tried to crash TBC's computer by sending a virus to strongbad@homestarrunner.com." At least, I *think* that's what he meant! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Monkey D-Cline''' It's not safe to assume ANYthing, naive one. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:29, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinification.''' I think TBC did get the E-mail. But I think they just made that virus up for the strong bad e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:11, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== 3D Bubs legs (MODIFIED)====
When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "[[stunt double]]", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a modified version (omitting the third sentence) was Accepted - however, a mention of this particular item is already included in the transcript, so no additional mention in the "Fun Facts" section is necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:08, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Homsar's walking sound (MODIFIED)====
The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "[[for kids]]".

'''VERDICT:''' A modified version of this item (without the specific e-mail reference) has been added to the transcript after an overwhelming number of Modify votes. This item is closed. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:11, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Edgar's anachronism (REVISED)====
Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a revised version of this item was added to the Remarks section of [[virus]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== The Number 423,827 ====
I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of Strong Bad e-mails recieved to date <s>by the site</s> since SB got his Compy, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''Interesting''' Hmm... it could be posssible. I mean, thats less than 4000 emails a week, which isnt alot for popular websites. Is there anyway to confirm this? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''What?''' Where did this come from? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Is it not the number of Viruses that Edgarware.exe found? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 06:48, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Decline anyway''' Unless it gets re-used, I don't see how that matters. I mean, it was just an arbitrarily large number. Are people looking for the significance of the number 1,685,421 (other than Mitch Overlord being that number caller in best thing?) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:22, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:53, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''probably not''' TBC say they get more then 1,000 SBemails each day! So I don't think so. I could be true, though. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:15, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''on second thought...'''' It could be the number of e-mails TBC got since Strong Bad got his Compy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
***'''Whoops-erson...''' Thats what I ment it to be... I'l change it.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:32, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Quote of the Day (or so) ====
Shortly after the release of this e-mail the format of the Quote of the Week box was changed to include the character's image and transcription of the quote. However, this change was not copied for the fake box in this e-mail.
*'''Decline''' There, you just said it yourself. Shortly ''>>'''AFTER'''<<'' the release of this e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===
====Disney "Mickey" Logo====
All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Neutral.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold and Ghostbusters ====
Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Modify this item. The modified form of this item appears on the [[Shopping for Danger]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[montage]] ===
==== Pants ====
Homestar wears pants in the "Im The Best" Easter egg. This is possibly the first time Homestar wears pants.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was voted to be Accepted - however, the item was found to be factually inaccurate. A revision of the item, noting the exception, is currently on the [[montage]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[pizzaz]] ===
==== Biscuit Dough Hands Man (Revised) ====
Biscuit Dough Hands Man is the initial suspect for Strong Bad's crimes in "[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]", created by [[Bubs]] drawing [[The King of Town|the King of Town's]] description of Strong Bad. So (when the Strong Bad Interview-Type Progrum says he will interview Biscuit Dough Hands Man in the next show), technically Strong Bad will be interviewing "himself" again.

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and added to the [[pizzaz]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:36, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== car ===
==== "You ever see me in a car? No!" ====

Another subtle fun fact: At the end of the email, Strong Bad says, "You ever see me in a car? No!" Interestingly, he is seen in the Gremlin just a few emails later, in the Dangeresque 3 email.
*'''Revise, Move''' I think this belongs more in the Dangeresque 3 email fun facts. Also, get rid of the "Another subtle fun fact" bit. - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Decline.''' I'd actually put the Gremlin more into Bubs' possesion. He came up with it, so it just seems to work along those lines.
*'''Decline.''' As with the 'bigger wusses and lesser wimps' item up above, since when does Strong Bad always tell the truth? See [[stand-up]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' He could have also changed his mind about being seen in a car. Since this really doesn't contradict anything, it's not really worth noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:38, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Previously someone else said "Strong Bad tends to lie" or something like that. I've thought of that fact before....also the Gremin might not be his. Allow me to reason:
<pre>
stunt double had Dangereque 2
dangeresque 3 had Dangereque 1, with which car.
car had the "You ever see me in a car? No!" quote.

Allow me to put these in order:

dangereque 3(1)
car(quote)
stunt double(2)

First in Dangereque 2, he wasn't in a car.
but Dangereque 1, he was seen in a car.
Dangereque 1 was obviously made before
Dangereque 2, before "car".

This is too confusing, but I hope it gives you a better understanding of it.

</pre>

--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:55, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think what the above user is saying is that since Dangeresque 1 is a prequel to Dangeresque 2, and Dangeresque 2 was made before "car", that Strong Bad had been in a car before "car" was made. However, I think there is evidence in the "dangeresque 3" e-mail that Dangeresque 1 was actually made after Dangeresque 2 (within the H*R universe). Note the sign at the beginning that says "Not in 3-D" and the fact that it is called "Dangeresque 1", not just "Dangeresque." Strong Bad probably realized there was no Dangeresque 1 and subsequently made one, excusing its appearance after Dangeresque 2 by saying it was the limited edition director's cut. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:44, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

'''Comment.''' Now I get it: He says, "Do you ever '''see''' me in a car?" He said that because we didn't see Strong Bad in a car yet.--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 04:59, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
He must be s

=== [[lackey]]===

==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I know the current is going towards a lot of declines, but this is one I have to '''ACCEPT.''' I actually think this fact is a decent one. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:37, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' I just realized the problem with this item: there isn't really a discrepancy here. Lackey is #96 while Montage is #117, so it's possible that The Cheat could have become unemployed (as a lackey) between then and...then. We're not told about anything regarding The Cheat's job status in the meantime, so this isn't really that notable. (And my comments above about the montage not being canon still stand.) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Not necessarily. I am sure that if Strong Bad did lose his The Cheat, we would have heard about it. I'm sure The Cheat is more valueable to him than his Compy, but look at how much he freaked out when it was shotgun'd, If he lost The Cheat he would probably be depressed for a few weeks. Also, in extra plug, The Cheat still stands by, wating for his orders (to plug in the shoes) which would indicate he is still a valueable lackey to SB. And I realise that he "created a montage", and the results dont have to be completely true. However, there is nothing indicating that it is UNtrue either.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===

==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

*'''Rewrite'''- Too long and confusing --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:48, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ...though I almost voted Decline. The reference is a decent one. Perhaps something as simple as:
The 1936 Strong Bad, Strong Man, and The Sneak stealing the parsnips
in the wheelbarrow is reminiscent of the scene in The Reddest Radish
where their 21st-century counterparts steal Marzipan's radish.
::The mention of the speculation is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
=== [[Strong Sad's Lament]] ===

==== Meh ====

"meh" is one of Strong Sad's emotions, and it also is frequently said by The Cheat.

*'''Decline.''' It's to obvious, It's like saying Homestar's speech impediment. Meh is also an emotion meaning normal, not happy, not sad, just...meh. - [[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:14, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===Strong Bad's Lament?===
History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

*'''Decline.''' If that was true, Strong Bad would more likely write "HJLWHOUISNASNKL?A STUPID!! GUY I AM A STUPID GUY!! HA HA HA!!!!GUIS kljIUS SJ". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:16, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*That was one incident! You can't say that Strong Bad would write like that all the time. And you can't honestly say that sounds like Strong Sad. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:39, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Revise, Accept''' Too much speculation as written, but I must admit that it DOES look a bit more like SB's handiwork than SS's. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:17, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I'm not seeing Strong Bad listening to a live David Bowie track... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**And doubt Strong Bad could draw that good. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:42, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** We ARE talking about the same Strong Bad, right...?

==Games==

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Control Scheme====
The poor control scheme (a to jump, s to fire) may be another Mega Man reference, this time to the Mega Man Anniversary Collection which included Mega Man 1-8. On the Gamecube version, the controls for fire and jump were also messed up. (a to fire, b to jump) This eventually ended up with many frusterated gamers who intented to jump over a bottomless pit, but instead fired their plasma buster instead.
*'''Decline'''. This has got to be a joke. Poor control scheme? Tons of computer games use cursor keys as directions and a and s as action buttons. Also it is not uncommon to see the action buttons in the same order, with jump on the left and attack on the right. Additionally, many gamers choose a and s as their main buttons when setting up games and emulators and have no joypad. I'm sorry for whoever got burned by Mega Man, but this really isn't the place for it. -[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 11:52, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:18, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline'''. The control scheme for Stinkoman 20X6. Whoever wrote this was probably mad at MMAC and just wanted to get it out of his system. I really don't see what the problem is. I have that game, and in a few minutes I was fully adapted to the weirdish control scheme, no problem. -[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. I, too, have that game, and it came almost second nature. It's not a "poor" control sceme. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''', mostly because it's irrelevant (although I DID hate that reversed control scheme in ''MMAC''...). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:39, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second and a comment'''. Hey, the Jump-with-B, Shoot-with-A scheme worked for Metroid Prime, why not MMAC? :P Hehe, oh well. :) -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:28, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' This is waaay too big of a stretch. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:26, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline w/Comment''' I've been playing MMAC on the Gamecube recently. The button layout is not that convoluted at all - once you get used to it, it's second-nature. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Ninja Gaiden Levels====
Level X.x is also a reference to the display of levels in Ninja Gaiden.
*'''Decline'''. The display of levels within Ninja Gaiden used a dash rather than a period and sub-level notation has been used in a number of different games. Had each level been called an "Act" as in Ninja Gaiden, you'd be onto something. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:38, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Sub-level notation was used as early as Super Mario 1... And even with "Act" it still wouldn't have just been Ninja Gaiden... Sonic had that too. -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:30, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*Uh, no it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:27, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stoves====
Planet K is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.

*'''Decline'''To quote geoguy: What's the big deal? I feel that Homestar Runner's world is on a different plane of reality. It obviouslty is, but in saying on the official Wiki page that gas stoves are supposed to be obsolete by 20X6? What is 20X6? 2016? Gas is most likely to run out in 2025 in OUR world. In Homestar's world, there may be abundant reserves of oil. Have you ever seen anyone drive a car(for real) in Free Country, USA? They may well use mainly solar power. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline''' This is quite presumptuous - how do we know that gas stoves would have become osbolete? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' maybe 20x6 is 2006... ever thought of that, smart guy? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:32, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog
*'''Weak Accept''' It doesn't seem worth pointing out, really, but I guess it's interesting. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It is now noted in the Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:58, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stone Fist====
When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!

*'''Decline'''Same as the "More Levels" fun fact listed above. Obvious and not noteworthy as a fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Same as my comment above - since the game has no Transcript, it's useful as a fact. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. This doesn't show that there will be new levels. That's what the screen AFTER the cutscene's for. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:41, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' [[User:http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*I'm wearing clothes, does that mean for sure I'm going out? '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Now noted in the walkthrough transcript --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:43, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Engrish====
The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.

*'''Decline'''There is absolutely no need to point this out. Yet another fun fact that's too obvious. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I do agree that is kind of obvious, but this does constitute a valid reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''; noted at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:43, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Zero Wing is far from the first instance of Engrish. Come on. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Brody====
Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.

*'''Decline'''Aside from Brody's legs and coloring, this isn't true. And the legs and coloring don't hold much water on their own, seeing as how: A. Birds' legs look something like that and are often illustrated that way. B. Every other chicken in Level 2 is colored yellow, and chickens are often illustrated to be yellow anyway. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:35, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Tampo====
The name Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.

*'''Decline'''This is very doubtful. Tempura is a big stretch, sure the manual says Tampo is as mean as he is delicious, but that hardly connects Tampo and tempura. And ''tempo''?? Tampo has nothing to do with tempo or even anything musical. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
** '''Comment''' Well, it IS a Mega Man parody, and many Mega Man characters are named for musical terms (Rock & Roll, Blues [in Japan], Bass, Treble, Forte [in Japan], Gospel [in Japan], Rush, Tango, Beat, Punk, Enka/Enker, Quint, Ballad(e), Duo... and I'm probably forgetting a few.) Of course, that doesn't automatically mean that Tampo was named for the term "tempo" - it probably wasn't - but it's not outside the realm of possibility. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Decline''' The creators of Megaman had music in mind when they made the character. They said so. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:03, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Big stretch in both cases. And a '''Comment''' to [[User:Ogog|Ogog]], make sure that your comments are bulleted and that you show your vote as Accept or Decline. Also, make sure you remove the STUFF'd item when you put it on this page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Er, the vote, that is. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:44, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===

====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' In an interview with one of the Brothers Chaps, he says that the Bronco Trolley was something he saw in a dream.
**Please sign your vote. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== General ==

=== Cross-Toon Facts ===

==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.
* '''Decline every last case''' Not necessary; the parents of various characters are referred to multiple times (the Bros. Strong, Pom-Pom, and even Marzipan (even though the last one was later changed.)) Similarly, any instance of "This is the first time Strong Sad has smiled/laughed/burped/sighed/whatevered" is not only silly but, these days, wrong. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
* '''Revise, Accept.''' Just replace [insert scene here] with a description of the scene, and you're good to go.
** The point to this fact is that people have attempted to add it to MANY emails under MANY circumstances (and some incorrectly labelled it "the first" instead of "one of the few".) Notice that this is under "Cross-Toon Facts". --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' The phrase "one of the few" should automatically disqualify this from being accepted. Fun facts should tell something unique or noteworthy about the toon in question - if you have to rattle off a list of other toons where the same thing happened (except in extreme cases where a reference to a previous e-mail/toon is explicit), then it shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:53, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Clever Ben — Tue, 05 Apr 2005 19:06:56 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Comment

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pokémon, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is really long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==
=== [[local news]] ===
====Scalawag====
"Scalawag" may possibly be a reference to a Calvin and Hobbes strip in which Calvin and Hobbes sing the "Very Sorry Song" :
:(Calvin) "I'm sorry, so sorry I took your precious flaaaaag"
:(Hobbes) "Just don't do it again you scurvy scalawaaaaaag"
*'''Revise''' Maybe "The fact that SB ends the song with the word scalawag..." [[User:DeadGuyPerez|DeadGuyPerez]]
*'''Decline.''' Maybe it is a C & H reference. Maybe it's a reference to Southerners who supported Reconstruction. Maybe TBC just liked the sound of the word and thought it would be funny. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005

=== [[brianrietta]] ===
==== "Tough Guys"? ====
This is the only reference to homosexuality in the entire site, '''and thankfully Strong Bad handled it more maturely than most "tough guys" would have.'''
*'''Revise''': This is an interesting fact, but I think that the part in bold is a bit unecessary. After all, this is a knowledge base, not a place for rants. If you wanted to put something like this, I suggest doing it in the forum. Besides, this is easily infered from reading the transcript. I think that the part in bold needs to be deleted, and the rest added back into the Fun Facts. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**'''Comment.''' I assume this is an '''Accept'''. Please sign your vote! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005
*'''Neutral.''' This is hardly a rant. I don't think the statement loses anything by removing the "offending" clause, however. I ''would'' change "this is the only reference" to "this is one of the few references". -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 05 Apr 2005
**'''Comment.''' But this ''is'' the only reference to homosexuality on the site. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 12:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Comment:'''I'm just saying that it seems like a rant to me, and it's rather unecessary. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Hom Sar Ref====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" is actually a reference to the Homsar Main Page, when the mouse is moved over the "Games" bubble. --[[User:SgtKeeling|SgtKeeling]]

*'''Decline''' It doesn't sound to me like he pronounces it "gee-ames". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It is probably unintended by the creators. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Calvin Decline''' Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons: "Were you saying 'boo,' or 'boo-urns?'" [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 09:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' Homsar says "James," not "Gee-ames." [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' No offence, ISlayedTheKerrek, but the Homsar Main Page transcript is just one person's interpretation of what he says. When I listen to it, it could be James, but it could also be Gee-ames, too. -BlueNose
** It isn't GEE-AMES, and anyone who scrolls over the word "games" in the Homsar page will clearly hear him say James. If you hear Gee-Ames, I seriously suggest you get your ears checked. Oh, and sign your vote properly. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:45, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** Well, actually, it's a bit more ambiguous if you hover over "Games" quickly and pull the cursor away before the weight falls. But it's even ''further'' from GEE-AMES that way, so '''Decline'''. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Homsar says no such thing. [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]] 4 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' Sewiously, this is wediculous. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:57, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Actually, it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:49, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Lil John====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" may be a reference to Lil John from Lil John and the East Side Boyz.

*'''Rewrite''' Uh huh... so HOW and WHY is it a reference to Lil John? If you can prove this, then it can be accepted. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 11:01, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Response''' I think he means how Lil' Jon says stuff like "YEE-AAAH!" [[User:The Jolly Dumple|The Jolly Dumple]] 4:17 PM, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)
**'''Response''' Well, then, the person who wrote this fun fact should have said that. Keep in mind, however, that almost every rapper in existence says stuff like that. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:42, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''', unless Jolly Dumple is right. If he is, then '''Decline'''. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' Seriously, dump any fact that relies on phrases like "might be". Especially if its about TBC referring to something obscure. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Third.''' I'm agreeing with you on this one - these "might be" references are way too numerous, and in most cases, they're opinions. Hell, even the phrase "might be" is subjective to begin with. I propose an automatic deletion to any Fun Fact that uses this phrase. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:56, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
****'''FOURTH'D!''' [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*****ARROW'D... I mean, '''FIFTH'D''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Trial Game origin====

The trial game is based upon the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]] - the trial game's [http://www.homestarrunner.com/SevenSecondTrialGame.swf Flash file] contains graphics and sounds used on the Games menu but not in the trial game.

*'''Decline.''' It's a reference to Space Invaders. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** Ooops, yeah, I was rather vague there, wasn't I? I didn't mean the style of game, I meant the actual nuts and bolts of the thing. The 'engine', as it were. I know such recycling would be relevant if it caused a bug or something else really obvious, like the VCR in SBEmail114 "The Facts" did, but this is harmless, so I wanted a judgement on it. [[User:The Archon|The Archon]] 18:13, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It actually uses code from the games menu '''and''' Armless Invaders. But who expects them to code a new game just for an April Fools gag? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While I disagree that they wouldn't code a new game just for an April Fools' gag, I do agree that this fact is unnecessary and somewhat inaccurate. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:59, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====False Advertising====

The second page claims "ACCESS TO ALL 230+ STRONG BAD EMAILS!" when there were only 127 emails at the time it was posted. This parodies how subscription sites often flagrantly misrepresent their content.

*'''INFINITELY STRONG ACCEPT-erson!!!!!!!!!''' Why in the world was this stuffed???????????--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:25, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Decline''' Because the fact is redundant? Theres already a fact explaining that the toon is a joke on pay sites. Theres also another fact pointing out that the material in this toon doesn't actually appear anywhere else on the site. ''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Accept.''' It's accurate and not obvious from the page itself. I won't miss it if it gets voted down though. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:48, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I think this was ment to be an ironic insider joke. Irony does not necessarily make a "fun" fact, but maybe it can be rewritten as an inside reference. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Accept''' Fairly obvious, but a bit of a fun fact nonetheless.[[User:GreatG|GreatG]]
*'''Strong Accept.''' This goes under the file of "not everything needs to be STUFF'd! Let's leave it to the fun facts that deserve it, guys. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:48, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept''' It's slightly obvious now, but the information about how many emails there actually WAS at the time will make this Fun Fact more interesting as time goes on. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* I added how misleading pay site previews can be to the explanations part of the Wiki entry. So I'm changing my vote to '''revise'''. Just add a fun fact explaining which parts of the toon were meant to be lies. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Fine by me. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''ANTI-Accept''' Are all of you people serious?? If this goes up, it ought to be combined with the "this is a parody of websites becoming paysites" fact. It certainly shouldn't stand alone IMHO. It's redundant because the fact that the whole thing is based on pay sites is ALREADY STATED. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:10, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Like I said, if we accept this then we should list the other inaccuracies in the toon. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Special Appearance====
Mr. Shmallow can just barely be seen in the fourth screen of the 'toon.
* '''Da Cline''' Then add him to the list of cast members. This isn't a fun fact. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Whats Her Face's lack of appearance====

For whatever reason, Whats her face was shown on the 4th page, but not at all in the "trial" TGS cartoon.

* '''Decline''' Noted in the transcript, and it's hardly an interesting remark regardless of such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 07:57, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' It's certainly worth noting, and I didn't notice it the first time around. Keep it. [[User:little-man|little-man]] 14:09, 3 Apr 2005 (EST)
*'''Decline.''' Since there IS no reason for her absence, there's no reason to mention it. It's not necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:01, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' And who knows how far into the preview the clip was? She may have already been killed off. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Basement-to-Computer Room Ratio====

According to the "Trap Door" clip, the computer room and the basement are two different floors, even though Strong Bad is never seen going up stairs when he goes from the couch to the computer room in cartoons like [[morning routine]].

* '''Decline'''. Umm... There are several other references to this. 1. [[Arcade Game]]: "in da basement -sb", why would Strong Bad put this if they were on the same level? 2. [[strongbad_email.exe]] (All discs): The camera transition to the Bonus Stuff menu infers that the basement is downstairs. And... that's all I can think of. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 00:16, 3 Apr 2005 (BST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline''' In [[morning routine]] they might have just skipped the part where Strong Bad goes up the stairs for the sake of saving time. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Hear here - showing Strong Bad go up and down stairs would take a whole new set of animation. Why bother? Traversing stairs isn't integral to the toon. Also see Venusy's comment above regarding "Arcade Game". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:03, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*I don't have the Email DVD, so I wouldn't know. And I just thought we should point out that this is the first time we see this. I've seen Fun Facts state that it was the first instance you see something when it is obvious and probably shouldn't be pointed out. And as for the note in [[Arcade Game]], characters point out things that you can see obviously all the time, and maybe the computer room and the basement were two different rooms in the whole basement. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 10:36, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**But why would Strong Bad leave a note saying they were in the basement IN the basement? '''Decline''' --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*If you think [[Arcade Game]] is the first sighting of the difference between the computer room and the basement, then why don't you just list that under Fun Facts on ''it''? --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:42, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' Because the appearance in Arcade Game is self-explanatory. When someone says they're "in da basement," it's safe to assume you're going to have to go down stairs in order to get to where that person is. There's no reason to state this in that e-mail, and as such, there really is no reason for it to be stated in this one. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

===[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]===
====Sweating====
Mr. Shmallow sweating is a reference to old television sets where the lights required to light up the set often made the set uncomfortably hot.

*'''Weak Decline.''' I have to admit this one has had me stumped for a long time. It's the best explanation I've seen yet, but I'm not sure it's the right one. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*<strike>'''Stronger Decline.'''</strike> [EDIT:] '''Full Decline.''' Personally, I too have always wondered why he's sweating... and, who knows, maybe it ''is'' the lights—but I doubt it. There's nothing in the 'toon to even suggest the above as being more than mere speculation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline''' -- It's true that the lights of early television sets made the actors sweat a great deal. However, Mr. Shmallow is not from the 40's-50's era of television, he's from the 30's (allegedly; I'm not convinced that the Brothers Chaps can tell the difference...). [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept''' Hey, it could be true. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:22, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**But it could ''more easily'' be false. I don't think the minimum burden of proof has been met to justify including it. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Watch any of the old-timey shows and you'll see how much everyone is sweating. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw Mr. Shmallow sweat.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**The problem is that (1) they're on film, not TV, (2) nothing in the shot where he's sweating makes it look like he's under any lights, bright or otherwise, and (3) it's the only instance I can recall that a 1936-era character has sweated like this. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. 1) Being on film wouldn't change a whole lot necessarily, considering it's a low-budget-ish commercial, so, given that and the time era, it WOULD have the hot lights no matter what. 2) Would YOU want the lights visible when you're shooting? Hmm? 3) There's a first time for everything. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:37, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Stronger-est? Decline.''' Like I said below: If you can't prove it, don't post it. He could be sweating for any number of reasons. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''ULTRA SUPER DECLINE''' He isn't sweating. The moon just ate him so now he's dripping with spit from its "mouth thingy".
**But his glasses were fogging up...not to say that's from sweat, necessarily...

===[[long pants]]===
====Overlapped voice====
This is one of the few times Strong Bad has used his ability to overlap his own voice. This ability is first introduced in techno.

*'''Decline''' Uninteresting, and disqualified due to the phrase "one of the few". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:16, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''"DECLINE!"''' For the record, they're FUN facts. --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 08:21, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Homestar's Shoes, part 2====
They might not be blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet but actual shoes, according to [[New Boots]] anyway. He also refers to them as shoes in [[Everybody Knows It]], where he says, "So, I guess it's back to putting dog food in my shoes, huh?"

*'''Decline''' Wasn't this bit about Homestar's shoes already tackled and Declined? Also STUFF'd due to conversational style. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Shorter E-mail====
This email is much shorter than most recent emails, being at least half a minute shy of its predecessor.

*'''Decline''' This is unnecessary, due to the running time being evident at the top of each e-mail page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Half a minute isn't much, and even if it was, who cares? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:18, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And I'm the one who said this. -Walking Armless
*'''Modify and Accept''' I think it could have been because they also released the April Fools gag on the same week, so if you add that information it might be kinda interesting... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:07, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**No its still boring. '''decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Unless it's the shortest one to date (and it's not), forget it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann
*'''Accept.''' I don't think Eggman understands what this fact is saying. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:48, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Homestar Over Correction Fluid====
When Homestar appears on the Lappy's screen, he isn't covered by the correction fluid, but rather, he shows up on top of it.

*'''Weak Accept, but Move''' Like the above item, this doesn't seem so much as a Goof as a Remark - given that Homestar is acting crazy when this happens, certainly odd things would happen that aren't necessarily Goofs on the toon's creators' part. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:21, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Secone."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 04:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Its a sight gag, there isn't meant to be any kind of logic to it (in real life you wouldn't be able to appear on a computer screen just like that). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 20:06, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''accept''' When Homestar's mad, anything can happen!--[[User:mk5due|mk5dude]] 1 April 2005
*'''Decline''' My guess is that he didn't go inside the Lappy screen, but in front of it.--[[User:Bonk|Bonk]] 17:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Klowning Arkound====
The fact that "Kertified Klown Kare" has every word starting with K might be a reference to Krusty the Clown, from The Simpsons, who tends to use that letter a lot and is, obviously, a clown.

*'''Severe Decline!''' Man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth from reading it. It's just what clowns do! -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' I'm not saying anything here, but am I the only one who noticed that "Kertified Klown Kare" is basically K.K.K.? --[[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:33, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*There was actually a "K.K.K" joke like that on the Simpsons. Still doesn't make this a reference to it. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*"decline" However, on the simpsons there was the Krusty Komedy Klassic.
*'''Decline''' Lots of things use Ks instead of Cs. (Though I do love the K in place of the ''soft'' C here, that's irrelevant to the fact.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Self-Made Man====
Homestar saying "I'm a long-pants man, long pants long pants" is a possible reference to [[Bubs]]' [[Character Videos|Character page]] where he says "I'm a self-made man, I am I am".

*'''Decline''' Just watched Bubs' Character Page, and the line he says sounds nothing like what Homestar says in [[long pants]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I gotta '''Accept''' this, because my keen ears detect some sort of similarity. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' What would be the point in referring to Bubs' video anyway? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It really doesn't seem like a "reference" to me. More like a "coincidence." →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It does sound similar. It also sound like a reference the Bros Chaps would make. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:28, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:10, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Reaching. Lower-hanging fruit would be to compare it to HR's own character page where he says "butt dance butt dance", and it still wouldn't be a fun fact for me. [[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:41, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
*'''Decline''' Only vaguely similar, not close enough for moi. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====2nd Homestar Crying====
This is the second time Homestar cried in an email. The first was [[crying]].

*'''Decline''' First times can be interesting. Second times, not so much. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:48, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' And how... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:50, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Unless someone can figure out a way to graph it! --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 28 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' And isn't there another "fun" fact below that was about how [[crying]] showcased the second time a character cried? --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''"Second."''' [[User:69.3.234.29|69.3.234.29]]([[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:59, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)) 22:57, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Yes there is, Donny. And I'm gonna say what someone said in their vote for the crying fun fact. The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*** An immediate disqualification is also in order for those who don't sign their votes. and '''Delete,''' by the way. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:58, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is so uninteresting. The point of funfacts isn't a place to count how many times who does what. You wouldn't see a fun fact saying that "This is the eighth time Strong Bad blames the Cheat for something in an e-mail" (made number up). I'm declining it basically on the grounds that nobody really cares. -- [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 9:51 AM 2 April 2005

====Red Screen====
When Homestar finishes going nuts, the screen turns red, like in [[Where the Crap Are We?]].
*'''Decline.''' Big deal. It's not even the same kind of red. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:17, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:29, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I actually thought of this when first saw this e-mail. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:06, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Useless and already in transcript. And, BTW, I found a variant of this in Goofs (people need to learn what a "Goof" is!) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr., Tompkins, and Ron Cumberdale...long lost triplets?====

Edga Jr. bears a striking resemblance to Tompkins and Ron Cumberdale, one of the things the The Three Keepers of Trogdor turn you into if you get one of their questions wrong.

*'''Decline.''' At least in Tompkins' case. I don't think Edga Jr. looks like Tompkins at all. I don't know about Ron Cumberdale...but I doubt it too. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:03, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Eh, they all look like generic nerds if anything. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I saw this one earlier and almost STUFF'd it myself. People are REALLY stretching to make references here, aren't they? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline.''' Although [[Edga Jr.]] does looks like a mix between [[Tompkins]] and [[Ron Cumberdale]], this is a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmm... it's kinda tough to say Cumberdale looks like anyone, seeing as how he's composed of roughly eight pixels. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
Could someone post a picture of the three of them side by side?

Done and done. Now judge for yourself. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:36, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

[[Image:edgajr.png]][[Image:tompkinteen.png]][[Image:roncumberdale.PNG]]

*'''Weak Accept''' Tompkin's face and acne + Ron Cumberdale's hair + Obscure references = Edga Jr. --Yaanu, 9:21 CST, 2 April 2005
* I'm upgrading my vote to '''Strong Decline.''' Edga Jr. has freckles, not pimples, and you can't even really tell from there that Ron Cumberdale has the same hair. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:48, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Declinariffic''' I'm not seeing it. At all. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:53, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Clanky?====
"Clanky" is a reference to the popular video game [[Wikipedia:Ratchet & Clank|Ratchet & Clank]].

*'''Revise.''' Replace "is" with "could be". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:08, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' [[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 23:00, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' "Clanky" was just said as a mispronunciation of Clancy. It's not like Ratchet and Clank coined the word Clank anyway.
**'''Second''' But sign your vote. And I think that any fun fact that cannot be confirmed (could be, might be, its possible that) should be removed or STUFF'D till it can be confirmed. Maybe then kids wouldn't be so eager to try and make a connection to their favorite game/show/movie what have you. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Decline Second'd, Suggestion Weak Accept'd''' I agree that there are way too many of these types of "possible references" being made, but STUFFing every single one would be REALLY time-consuming and would bloat this page way more than it already is. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Well, I don't mean that every un-confirmed fact should get stuffed. But crap like this one where there is clearly no connection could and should be deleted without any fuss or voting. If they author of the fact cares that much they can stuff the fact themselves and post a defense.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' (the Decline, that is) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:29, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Strong Bad always pronounces names and places wrong, I'm positive it has nothing to do with that game. --[[User:Minteh|Minteh]] 12:02, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And The Cheat is a reference to Cheato the Spellbook in Banjo-Kazooie! And the King of Town is a reference to King Daphnes in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker! Or not, since there are about -1 pieces of evidence that there's any intentional correlation at all. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Sam I Am====
Homestar saying "I have long pants, I wear long pants..." is a reference to Dr Seuss's childeren's book "Green Eggs and Ham"
*''' Severe Decline and Baleted-erson''' No it's not. If the phrase was "I have long pants, Long pants I have" where the subject and the object are reversed, than it would be a refrence. But it is not.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 19:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' 1000% no. Where did you get this idea from? The fact that both have verbs in it? Oh! "Am" and "have" are both verbs with the letter "a!" That HAS to be a reference... Come on, guys... This doesn't even belong on STUFF :-( →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:49, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
**Tis why I said Balete--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:54, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''SECONDED!!'' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''DECLINE'D!''' Totally unfounded. Go away. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:04, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And geez, you could have at least spelled "children's" correctly. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*...learntospell... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:54, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bedroom Window====
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], but in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere, even though it should be in the shot. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 13:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Revise = Very Yes. Run-on sentences hurt my brain. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:42, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**It wasn't a run-on, but I still Decline. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**It totally was. It should have been broken into two sentences; somewhere between "Presents" and "but".
**'''Revise, accept''' It is a run-on scentence. Try:
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]. However, in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere even though it should be in the shot.
*'''Decline''' He could just be laying at the other end of the bed, thus the room would be flipped. Gah, most of the "goofs" posted aren't even genuine and this is no exception. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' This is not fun! Also, a run-on sentence needs to lack a conjunction or semicolon to be a run-on sentence, ***LACK*** an example would be this one I'm typing now. --[[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:44, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
**Totally untrue. Run-on sentences can have conjunctions; haven't you ever seen someone overuse the word "and?" Example: I went to the store and I bought some candy and then I went home and then I watched TV. There are conjunctions there, but it's still run-on. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:34, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***The sentance is fine, it just uses commas in the wrong place. Still doesn't make this a good fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.
*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It DOES screw with the timing of the joke. Mouth movements aren't the issue here. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[crazy cartoon]]===
====Sealab 2021====
"I'm gonna get you, Eh! Steve!" is a possible reference to an episode of the cartoon "Sealab 2021" called "Waking Quinn," in which a shark yells "I'm gonna get you Stinky Pete!" about seven minutes into the episode.

*'''Weak Decline''' At first, I wanted to be sure that the episode in question aired before [[crazy cartoon]], but as it turns out, the quote isn't precise ("I'll get you, Eh! Steve!" is the actual phrase). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:06, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**I did check TVTome.com, and the episode in question DID air before "crazy cartoon". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Major Decline''' It's likely that the Bros. Chaps watch Sealab, since they did a song for it. However, this reference is a huge stretch. "I'll get you (whoever) if it's the last thing I do!" is a common cliché phrase for villains. Sealab and this email were referencing the same general phenomenon. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:40, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:22, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' Listen, people, I don't know if you've figured this out yet, but just because you hear something in a movie then on something else doesn't automatically mean it's a reference, unless the movie says something that hasn't been said before. Like, if Strong Bad says "a little bit of the old ultraviolence", That would be a reference to A Clockwork Orange since that was basically the first popular movie to say that, but what if he said a phrase that has been used for decades and just happened to be in some popular movie, that doesn't make it a reference, okay? [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Uh...that's what this page is for, EEDIOT. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' And, BTW, who are you talking to, ISTK? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Old Characters Page]]===
====The H word====
Bubs' profile is one of the few instances that the word "hell" is used on the site, other instances being in [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] (Easter egg) and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]].
*'''Decline.''' Did you know that [[comic]] is one of the few instances that the word "<s>ass</s>" is used on the site, with the other instance being [[Hairstyle Runner]]? Well don't post a fact about it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:12, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Comment''' In [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] they say hella, not hell. --[[User:Koooo275|Kiril]] 10:30, 27 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Agree''' I never noticed that before.
*'''Comment and a decline''' The use of "hell" in the toons is more on the slang side than actual cursing. In the case of Parsnips its just referring to the fiery place of torment. So the use of "hell" isn't really worth noting. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Declardon me''' Oww, my freakin' ears! How could the Brothers Chaps stoop to such apalling vulgarity?! [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:47, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'd''' "one of the few"? tsk, tsk. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:36, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I doubt he was "offended" by the use of the word hell or anything like that, he was just noting a useless fact. Whatever the case, I decline.

===[[techno]]===
Strong Bad might have said "Oh very clever" after reading the name Silent J because it could be a reference to Jay and Silent Bob, a pair of recurring characters from [[Wikipedia:Kevin Smith|Kevin Smith's]] movies. It also may be clever because it's referring to the concept of a silent letter (for example, one would say "the word 'jalapeno' has a silent J"), and making reference to Silent Bob at the same time.

*'''Decline.''' I think the Silent Bob connection is a real stretch. The silent letter connection is much more reasonable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Revise.''' Funny, I think it's the other way around. It never occurred to me that "Silent J" would be anything but a play on "Jay and Silent Bob," but maybe that's my pop-culture-saturated brain. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:01, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The latter part doesn't work but the Silent Bob connection does. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:42, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' My brain is pretty saturated with pop-culture, too! However, it's from a time when Disco ruled and dinosaurs walked the earth! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' Jalepeño is the stretch; Silent Bob is the obviously correct one. And I haven't even watched J&SB! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:52, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I had thought he meant the fact that "Silent J" would mean he shouldn't actually say anything at all, so he was sort of duped, and he was mockingly calling him clever. I don't know. [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 22:48, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm...no.Thats more of a stretch than the "jalepeno" part of the fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** I think this is what is meant as well. After reading an e-mail, Strong Bad almost always starts his response with "Well, [insert name]", or "......, eh [insert name]?" Since the writer is calling himself Silent J, Strong Bad is at a loss to use his name in his reply.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:38, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' FWIW, "jalapeño" does not in fact have a silent J. The j is pronounced like an h, but it's certainly not silent. - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:25, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' - but the only revision this needs is to remove the uncertainty, because it's clearly a reference to Jay and Silent Bob.

===[[Experimental Film]]===
====Calvin and the Cotton Gin====
In a Calvin and Hobbes strip, Calvin sometimes would use "The Cotton Gin" as an answer to problems he did not know, even on math tests.
*'''Weak Decline''' Since the answer was right on that test (and never right on Calvin's tests) I don't think this is the case. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
**'''Comment''' We never actually see the questions to the test (except the first, which is "Are you all going to be in my experimental film?"), so we don't know if the answer is right. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on comment''' Actually, we know the answer was wrong, because the test-taker got an A+ after selecting a ''different'' answer (specifically, "Yeah!") --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:56, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on my own comment''' Well, okay, actually, I was assuming that it was multiple-choice and that the test-taker was selecting the first of four possible answers (notice the hilight). I suppose four questions being on a different page never really occurred to me before now. Oh, well, whatever. The test-taker got an A+. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:01, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Will the commentary never cease?''' You are right! I personally don't think it has much to do with whether it's a reference or not, though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*****'''Hehe, cease. Tis a funny word.''' *watches as people give me wierd looks*... Well, its true. Cease is a funny word. Neway, I '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:57, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seems a bit of a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:45, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept.''' This reference seems fine to me. Calvin did this a lot and I think of it when seeing "cotton gin" on a test. It might be a bit stretchy though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:49, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second'''
*'''Decline.''' Theres an essay by Mike Nelson (of '''Mystery Science Theater 3000''' fame) about how Eli Whitney and the cotten gin were all kids used to learn about in school. So the cotten gin answer isn't really an original idea (or at least not one to put a specific reference on). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Decline''' I read and own many Calvin and Hobbes comic collections. In my reading, I noticed that while Calvin did use The Cotton Gin as answers, he mostly just puts down random answers to questions he didn't know the correct answer to. Other answers include "Trostsky, Lexington, 1824", and so on. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 17:27, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decwine''' This is true, but not relevant. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:50, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or it could be that the question was 'What did Eli Whitney invent?' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[pom pom]]===
====Bubs...greedy?====
When Strong Bad smashes his face into the wall, Bubs puts up a sign saying that face smachings are $5. When Pom Pom beats the everloving crap out of Strong Bad, Bubs puts up a sign saying that severe beatings are $10. Could Bubs be greedy?
*'''Decline.''' This is definitely not the only reference to Bubs' greedyness. By the point this email comes out, anyone that knows Bubs would almost expect that of him. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Third.''' And add, duh. -- [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fourth.''' Everyone knows that Bubs' is greedy. It's not just the [[pom pom]] email. Don't forget [[local news]] where they have to pay 5 bucks to wait in line. It's a joke to poke fun at already known knowledge. (I know I'm being repetitive.) [[User:Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Fifth''' A fact by a newb. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (or '''Sixth''', I guess, to follow the pattern here...) - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:26, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ('''Seventh''') We all KNOW Bubs is greedy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:37, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline-inate'''And what about him charging increasing amounts of cash for pictures with the tragic hotdog clown? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Gee, you figured out Bubs was greedy all by yourself huh? No flashcards or anything? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[website]]===
====Mahir Cagri reference====
Strong Bad's closing remark that the writer of the email may be big in Pakistan tomorrow might be a reference to Mahir Cagri; a Turkish citizen whose personal website was the number one personal website of 2001.
*'''Decline.''' Seems like a stretch to me. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Maybe, but theres not enough evidence. It could just be a variation on "big in France" or "big in Japan" style jokes. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DECLINORZED''' A turkish website big in America... an American website big in Pakistan. These are not similar. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:10, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Fourth Wall Breaks]]===
====Strong Bad wants a cartoon====
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own.
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place? This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to "decline" the entire idea of logging "fourth wall breaks"... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. "So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...") - Dingell
*'''Decline''' But then, I think the whole "Fourth Wall Breaks" page is a waste of webspace for reasons I think are probably mentioned on its Talk page. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Hello, Viewers!====
In [insert Strong Bad Email here], Strong Bad says [insert speach here], which hints that he knows he's being watched by an audiance.
*'''Decline.''' There are too many of these out there, and they're almost all boring. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' I agree. This fun fact can not be placed anywhere. Could it be that he is so self-esteemed that he believes that he will have an audience for anything he does? [[User: Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' See vote for "Strong Bad wants a cartoon" --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[different town]]===
====Beastie Boys====
"This next one is the fourteenth song on my forty-second album" is a paraphrase of the Beastie Boys' [http://www.beastieboys.com/] introduction to their song "Jimmy James" on their album "Check Your Head". In that song, the Beasties begin by saying, "This Next One, Is The First Song On Our New Album..."
*'''Comment''' I STUFF'd this because it seems like a big stretch to me. I'm sure the Beastie Boys aren't the only ones who have said "this next one is the first song on our new album."
*'''Decline.''' Agreed - many bands have said this and it's way too common to be attributed to any one source. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:06, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:AwesomeSauce|AwesomeSauce]] 20:53, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:50, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondinated!!!''' --[[User:blakyoshi7|blakyoshi7]] 11:58, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Two'd!''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:11, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''2nd.''' ("Two'd". Rudeboy is now my hero!) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[little questions]]===
====Monty Python and the Holy Subtitles====
The pseudo-Swedish subtitles are very (too?) similar to the opening credits of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
*'''Decline''' There is a very key difference between them. In Monty Python, the subtitles are meant to look like they're in a foreign language when they're not. In little questions, they are meant to look English, translating pseudo-English being spoken to a Swede. That's not close enough for me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:00, 14 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' Entirely different subtitle gags - they just happen to share a common language. Also, the Holy Grail subtitles are not accompanied by the original audio that the subtitles are translating (I *know* there isn't an original audio track - I'm making a point here). And one more thing, the subtitles in 'little questions' are in English, not even QUASI-psuedo-Swedish. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:07, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crying]]===
====Crying like we've done before====
This is the second time a H*R character cries, the first time being in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*'''Decline.''' Unimportant, uninteresting, unacceptable. I don't see any reason to make note of this at all. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:47, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*'''Decline.''' Not very fun or interesting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:12, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And did you know that "Homsar" is the second e-mail that Strong Bad appears in? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Seconding all the declines above. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Though I did post a similar fun fact in Homestarloween Party using the knowledge from this fact. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And [[for kids]] was the second time we see Strong Bad smile, and in [[virus]] it is the second email where a Strong Bad's computer explodes. Do you see how boring that can get? [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 21:57, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''D to the Cline''' Uh... so? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:53, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====All y'alls====
"All a y'alls" is taken from [[sb_email_22]].
*'''Decline''' A slight stretch. I don't think Strong Bad said the exact same thing, and probably has said "all a y'alls" In another toon or sbemail. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:09, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I live in Houston, and I hear "all y'all" about 749 times a day. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
**True, it's a common saying. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''' Agreed. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' Ya, and he took "Holy Crap" from email 1, and 2, and every other frickin email hes done. BORING! *screen turns blue with white "Boring!" on it*--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:59, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diclyne''' "Taken from?" Hardly. He's just using a common phrase more than once. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:55, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[New Intro]]===
The HTML filename (intro.html) does not match its SWF counterpart, named newintro.swf. intro.swf is the Flash file for the Old Intro.

*'''Accept'''. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell of; why was this STUFF'd? Oh well... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is just like the Flash MX fact below. Who cares what the file is called?[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While file naming is notable in instances where there is an intended gag (as with E-mail #100 and the fake 100th e-mail page), this one doesn't even bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:54, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second''' As Homestar said, "Boring." --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' The Brothers Chaps used a new SWF filename so they could tell the difference between it and the older intro. The HTML filename is still the same because it causes the new intro to be the default. This saves the trouble of changing all the link paths on other pages. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I read this one before it was STUFF'd. I thought it was pretty interesting, kind of. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:38, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[2 emails]]===
====Ladies' Choice Awards====
"The 2003 Ladies' Choice Awards" is most likely a reference to "The Kids' Choice Awards", which is hosted by Nickelodeon each year.

*'''Decline.''' They could be talking about something else. Maybe a '''Revise''' could also be in order; lest we forget the People's Choice Awards? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:11, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline Second'd.''' It's probably more a reference to People's Choice than Kids' Choice since the former has been around longer. In any case, this joke is obvious enough that it doesn't need explanation. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:14, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' It's a People's Choice reference...
**'''Second''' Also Critic's choice awards--[[User:Saddy Dumpington's Soolnds]] 16:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:57, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fifth second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Comment.''' The Kids' Choice Awards themselves are probably a reference to the People's Choice Awards anyway.

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Rewrite''' How about "This is Sickly Sam's first appearance where he does not 'die'." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:15, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline Slightly''' We can all see Sickly Sam ATTEMPTED to kill himself by burying himself alive on a Tuesday. -Walking Armless
**1936 Bubs was buried alive too, but he seemed to be OK. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:31, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I disagree that anything noted as "so far" is bad (though "this is the first time" is usually more appropriate.) However, this fact isn't totally true as stated, so '''Rewrite and accept''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[dreamail]]===
====those weird little kids====
It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

*This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Strong Decline.''' Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Responding to the previous two''' He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity ''Murder Mystery'' which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Accept/Rephrase''' There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline.''' I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; ''Village of the Damned'', ''The Ring'', ''The Shinning'' etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' A scooby doo reference would be "If it weren't for those meddling kids..."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:48, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diggity-decline''' Yeah, or pretty much every cartoon series ever made. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' for reasons stated by others --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[old comics]] ===
====Strong Bad is an Old Man====
Strong Bad says that he appeared as a guest in the Castlefunnies comic strip, which he later notes was cancelled prior to the "dry pencil scare of '47". Since the email clearly takes place in 2004 (as noted at the end), this makes Strong Bad at least 57 years old.
*'''Accept''' [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 15:49, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' or even better '''Move'''. Excellent observation, but I think it would serve better on Strong Bad's and Homestar Runner's character biographies, stating that they must both have been born prior to 1947 according to this email. --[[User:62.252.224.13|62.252.224.13]] 16:19, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I put up this fact, and I think it's useful and "fun" as an anecdote, but it probably shouldn't be taken as a hard fact within the Homestar universe. Just to note a few contradictions that would arise if Strong Bad were in fact this old: (1) We probably wouldn't be able to have a VHS tape of Little Strong Sad performing stand-up comedy at school, (2) If the King of Town was already King in 1947, then The Cheat must have "mashed play on an extremely expensive jambox" before 1947, because the king was still a prince when said jambox-mashing occurred in sbemail 100, (3) A fiftysomething man goes trick-or-treating, and his mom helped him with his costume (Homestarloween Party)? Seems a bit strange. But anyway, I think it's worth pointing out the age factor.
*'''Comment''' I'm not too sure, I mean, the email is really just looking at it as though the character of Strong Bad was used back then(since, as just a character, the age wouldn't matter. The idea for Strong Bad's character could've been around then, but then later used in modern day times, like, for example, Popeye or Mickey Mouse, for whom age isn't an important factor.), but it's presented through Strong Bad's point of view, thus implying that he would have aged since then. Sure, one could note that "Strong Bad has been around for 58 years", but saying that Strong Bad himself is over 58 years old doesn't work for me. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline.''' I can't see any proof that the Castlefunnies actually "happed". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:47, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE.''' Some of you are reading way WAY too much into this. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:56, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Wow! Maybe old timey Homestar IS regular old Homestar...nah. Its a joke used for one e-mail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Very interesting, but it should be reworded. This isn't Strong Bad's age, it's just him showing that he knows that he's an unaging cartoon character. It's a forth wall break. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 10:48, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept and rephrase''' It is interesting, but maybe it should be rephrased into the passive, saying "If it is true, Strong Bad would be 57 years old." That, or we've caught Strong Bad making things up, and there never was a Castle Funnies.[[User:Aaronite|Aaronite]] 6:32, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, this is radiculous. Definitely not fun in any way... And probably not accurate either. It's just a joke. A one-time joke. Get over it. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:00, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Worst prize'D, Ding''' People, we have encyclopedias, we can look things up. Just because we know things about the revolutionary war, doesn't mean that we're 200 years old. We go to school, and we learn things. So there. --64.136.27.226 18:01, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Um... you should READ the fun fact before you vote for it. Sure, just because you know about the Civil War doesn't mean you're 200 years old, but what about if you FOUGHT in it? Because the "fighting in the Civil War" metaphor paralells the fact in question, not your post.
*'''Decline''' Ummm, if this was taken literally, then how old would the KoT be?! Strong Bad's a liar, and this is a one-time joke, as said many times above. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:11, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Chew on this: There's a 1936 version of Strong Bad out there, so it could be an "older" version of Strong Bad in the Castlefunnies, and not actually the present-day one. As it is, the other Castlefunnies characters look different from their present-day counterparts, and the Poopsmith actually had a different name.
*'''Decline.''' First of all, the castlefunnies was not syndicated in 1947. The strip is in color, and it's only one line long, not half a page! The poopsmith talking in commas is a clear reference to woodstock in the Peanuts strip, who didn't even exist until the late 1960s. And the font used for the title "The Castlefunnies" looks much too modern. When Strongbad talks about the fact that the dry pencil scare of '47 only lasted three days, what he's saying (assuming he's not just making up the pencil scare just to be sarcastic) is that there was NO pencil scare at the time that they started producing the castlefunny pencil moistener (whenever that happened to be--looking at the comic strip style, I'd guess in the 60s at the earliest, though possibly as recent as modern day). --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' Just needs something like "If what Strong Bad says is true...". [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====The Strong Mad Ate Pasta Salad With Homestar's Spoon Controversy of Aught-Five====
The spoon in Strong Mad's easter egg is the one Homestar uses as "Colonel" of the Homestarmy.

*'''Decline.''' Need we bring up the ketchup example? Too general. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:05, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd!''' Hmmm, is ''anyone'' getting the picture that TBC reuse things all the time? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Apparently not if the STUFF'D fact below is any indication (oh, and '''second'''). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' This one IS too general... (however, the one below is not) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' Holy crap! This cartoon is the 192nd time Strong Bad's head appears. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:11, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Honestly!''' A word to the administrators: I move that these copy-and-paste Fun Facts be DELETED immediately. Do I have a second to this motion?
** I move that you SIGN your vote. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:40, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second Kerrek's Motion''' People these days are getting sloppy with vote signage. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:32, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[best thing]] ===
==== Rudiments ====
"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

*'''Decline''' This is more likely a variation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]." Also, percussion stickings are written exclusively in caps; I think this reference would be more believable if the line appeared as "RRLL RRLL" in the e-mail. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Living in Houston, I hear people pronouncing "real" as "rrll" about 2,568 times a day. I took this as a joke based on southern accents. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 04 Apr 2005

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

*'''Revise and Accept.''' The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
::--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
***What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*****C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
******Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*******'''Decline.''' Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
* Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***"Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in [[monster truck]], it doesn't show up in their [[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards]], or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in [[haircut]] or [[flashback]] (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides [[Puppet Time]]). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** I like how you added in "as usual", as if we've had a million arguments before when in fact I do believe this is the closest thing to an argument I've had here (and if it isn't, its the first one I've had with you. The fact is that if the guitar had been a cartoon prop people would've jumped on it screaming "TBC re-use things all the time". The guitar was not central to joke. It could have been any guitar that was thrown. Therefore, its just another prop. Second, one thing you said is that this fact is valid because some viewers might not have noticed the guitar's re-usage. The re-use is even less important if its been pointed out elsewhere on the site (hey, lets mention that Homsar started out in the e-mail "Homsar" everytime he appears). ITS. JUST. A. PROP. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***It doesn't matter how much you capitalize it or put periods after every word, it doesn't make it more true or the guitar less noticeable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*<s>'''Accept''' It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)</s>
**After reading all the arguments, I am changing my vote to a '''Decline'''. Animated or not, it is stiull just a prop and is just as unimportant. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I found this fact interesting. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Y'alls can argue all you want, but I think the fact is good enough to be mentioned. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:17, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd.''' Donny is being argumentative, as he usually is. The majority so far is ruling, so get used to it. Oh, and... if you want it to be possessive, it's just ITS, but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's IT apostrophe S. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:00, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cancelled after first episode====
There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:
:'''You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961'''
:'''Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969'''
:'''Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979'''
:'''South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993'''
:'''Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000'''
Of the five, '''Turn-on''', ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "'''Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In'''," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

*'''"SEVERE DECLINE!"''' (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG ACCEPT!!''' I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "'''montage'''". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --[[User:s t i n k o m a n K|s t i n k o m a n K]]
** Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. '''DECLINE''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a '''second''' on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
** The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Point One''' This has been mentioned about other single-episode shows already. '''Point Two''' Nobody wants to read about failure shows on a site about a successful web cartoon.
*'''Major Revision then Accept''' Only keep Turn-On, because, like the Limozeen cartoon, it didn't even make it through the pilot episode. Oh, and '''Point Three''' Sign your vote.--[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:43, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

====Space Gary & Facegary====
"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, [http://www.jamesweb.co.uk/index.php?jw=facegary1 Facegary].
* '''Decline''' Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**Second
**Third - JZ
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (What is it with the constant claims, based on the most tenuous of similarities, that something is "almost certainly" a reference to some obscure webtoon or other phenomenon? I think some people need to review the definition of "certainly"...) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' By almost certainly, of course, you mean "no way in hell except in my twisted mind", right? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' That's what I got from it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second Part II''' Facegary is too twisted, man. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Parappa the Noodle ====
Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaRappa_the_Rapper_2 Parappa the Rapper 2]".
* '''Decline''' Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second'''; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played ''Parappa'', but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --[[User:blackbelt|blackbelt]] 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
*Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. '''DECLINE.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' Explain why it could be a reference. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**In Parappa the Rapper 2, a group of people are turning anything and everything into noodles.

====They Might Be Giants reference?====
Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to [http://www.tmbg.com They Might Be Giants'] John Flansborgh.
*'''Decline.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' And it's '''Flansburgh''' not "Flansborgh". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Neutral''' I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
*'''Decline.''' The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE''' TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
** Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** Says the guy that '''Decline'''d it in the first place... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Flash MX====
This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.
*'''Comment''' I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --[[User:67.177.52.133]] 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, '''Decline'''. -- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava]]
*'''Decline''' Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Revise, accept''' As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:

The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.

:Signed: [[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**'''Comment.''' While "newintro" had a good reason for the different filename, this doesn't, so, '''Decline'''(unless sbemail126.swf gives you something different, in which case, '''Accept'''). --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

*'''Decline.''' This rambles and makes no sense. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
* '''Revise, Accept''' Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second t3h second'''--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
****'''Is this in respons to my comment of ISTK's? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I thought that was the joke. [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I like this rewrite. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Alternate Rewrite''' Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
*'''Decline''' While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
** '''Second''' Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* '''Rewrite, Accept''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

*'''Accept''' I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' They're similar, but definitely not the same. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:13, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''"STRONG ACCEPT!"''' Good eye, good eye! --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Even if it does look the same, it is worth noting that the claw is reappearing. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Guy With a Metal Jaw ====
With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in [[Wikipedia:Masters_of_the_Universe|the He-Man tv show]], another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.
:Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
:Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
:Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
::Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
:Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)

*'''Revise''' Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Also remove "etc.. etc." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This seems really vauge. A lot of villains could look like that. The "Or's" say enough.
*'''Decline''' Everyone should be able to recognise instantly that the villian is your generic 80s cartoon villian before being told in a 'fun' fact. Those that can't probably don't care. It's as useful as saying that limozeen's long hair is a reference to Poison and other bands where guys had long hair. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This. That. Other thing. No good. --[[User:Jay|Jay]]

==== See you in syndication ====
Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like ''Clerks'' or ''Family Guy'' which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

*'''Decline''' It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second'''
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:39, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It actually happened the opposite way with ''Clerks'': It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== The Beatles ====
The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).
*'''Decline''' The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Need I really say why? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show ====
Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in [[montage]], but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).
*'''Decline''' I really don't see why. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Move''' It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the [[Inside Jokes]] page (where it seems like it would most belong). --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline''' It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Background Goof ====
When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

*'''Comment:''' I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Move, then Accept''' Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Absolutely not!''' References to "This that and the other thing" are totally useless and encourage people to add to it, making it MORE useless. Maybe an Explanation or Remark, but not a Reference. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Rewrite.''' This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Babylon 5 ====
"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold is in question)

*'''Accept:''' Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline:''' it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.[[User:Keab42|Keab42]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Sergeant Marshie]] ===
==== Marshie's Initial ====
His first initial is 'M'.
*'''Decline'''
**'''Second.''' But sign your vote →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:33, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's great kid. You want a cookie everytime you point out the obvious?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 16:00, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third, fourth...'''I think you get the drift. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:58, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Shouldn't it just be "His initial is 'M'"? We don't know that he's got any others. Also, fun fact already noted in the [[Cheat Commandos...O's]] Fun Facts. So '''Decline'''. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]]
**'''NOTE''': I just checked the Cheat Commandos...O's Fun Facts again, and it is only his first initial. Oh, the (slight) embarrassment. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 20:03, 27 March 2005 (BST)
*'''Decline''' As it is, this item is mind-numbingly obvious - but even if you're referring to the easter egg in the Cheat Commandos...O's toon, it's also already noted on that page as well. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:23, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. It's major obvious that his first initial is "M", because his first name is Marshie. He doesn't have "Sergant" in his name. DO THE MATH! --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:13, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And this is news, how? Strong Bad's first initial is S, but I don't see that anywhere. Really.
*'''ULTRA OMEGA SUPER SEVERE HYPER ALPHA DECLINE!'''-What is this crap?!---[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]
*'''Decline''' Wow, I gotta say this is fan-FREAKING-tastic! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 05:19, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Double Decline!''' What? 'M'arshie's initial is M? Wow! Have you noticed the Strong Bad pill in the new games menu has SB on it? Come on!! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:02, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' OK, enough with the sarcasm already - in case you hadn't figured it out, this item is in reference to the easter egg at the end, the one that shows the Marshie action figure. The box says "His first initial is 'M' - that's where this comes from. Someone's not being totally dense; it's from an easter egg and therefore, someone felt it was mentionable... even though the quote itself points out something undeniably obvious. Cut the guy a little slack (whoever he is)... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** All right, all right. However, Eggman, please close the voting, because you KNOW more people will chime in unless you do. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[colonization]] ===
==== Until next week... ====
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[dragon]] ===
==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====
The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".
*'''Weak decline.''' Doubtful. "appears to be very similar." So you're not sure whether or not it's similar? I think that TBC just wrote their own stuff. Even if it appears to be similar, that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the creation of the the song. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:23, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe second'''Severe seconding a weak decline,--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====
"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis
*'''Severe decline.''' Just because something sounds like something else doesn't make it a reference. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:41, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe Second''' --[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:28, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Ticked-off Third''' -- I just think it's stupid. That's all.
*'''ULTIMATE DECLINE'''. It was just three words toghether from three different emails. Why was ths STUFF'D? --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''a-digga-diggga-digga-DELETE!''' This is stupid. It's not why was this STUFF'd- why was it even put on the board in the first place. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:53, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Definitely Decline.''' -[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
*I choose you, '''Declinachu!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seriously. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:15, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.
* '''Decline.''' Didn't consider this a "fun" fact at all... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. It was well observed, but as a 'second incidence' it isn't much fun. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 13:37, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."
* '''Weak Decline.''' Felt this was a bit of a stretch, though I did wonder if it was a reference myself. Still, "Rosebud" is the last dying whisper of Citizen Kane, while Rose-face is anything BUT whispered. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Too much of a stretch, IMO. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:14, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Just because two words sound the same does not mean they are connected. He doesn't even say it in the way that rosebud is used in Citizen Cane. --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.
*'''Decline.''' I don't think that they were purposefully referencing the Pizzaz Pizza oven. The two words are just spelled similarly. (Also, there was a restaurant where I live called "Pizza Pizzazz," but you don't see me putting that down as a fun fact) :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 10:02, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong decline.''' I don't think that this this really is a "fun fact." It's barely a fact. It's incidental at best. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:50, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''SUPER DECLINE'''. Why it was a fun fact probably has to with some people make stuff y'know, with words from bigger words. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:19, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or, it could be... '''Pizza'''z, which I think is pretty obvious. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====
At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline.''' Good thinking, but this is definitely not a reference. This isn't the first time this stage has been shown (See [[A Decemberween Pageant]]) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 16:29, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**I just watched ADP, and the part of the stage in question is not visible. Perhaps I should look in the email where the stage appears (I don't remember the name right now). [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
***In the very first scene after marzipan says "Homestar, I don't think those are your lines." That's when they show the whole stage.
**** Hmmm...how did I miss that? [[User:24.58.44.43|24.58.44.43]] 19:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Just because it's already shown doesn't mean it's not a reference. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:17, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===
In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''''Note:''' this submission created the section on STUFF, but named it incorrectly as "[[Where The Cheat Is At?]]". This is referenced at least once in the votes below.''

*'''Decline and also, who cares?!''' And sometimes Homestar's shirt is a lighter shade of blah blah blah. Fun facts are meant to be FUN, okay? You didn't even get the name of the cartoon right! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' - yeah, it's a nice detail, but not really all that worth mentioning; too minor. (And Donny, nothing personal, but that was pretty harsh, man. Might want to tone down before we hurt someone's feelings...) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:02, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd''' →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:58, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)
** I'll tone you down my lord! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment'''Just to give you a head's up, Donny, those were the ''rudest'' words I have ever heard. Realize that this is a cartoon, ''' '' PLEASE '' '''. If you ever spoke like that in the real world, you would get your butt kicked.
***'''Comment''' Uh-huhhhh...1) Sign your post. 2) Scroll up. People are saying far ruder things than I did, including the person who told me to "tone it down". 3) I was blunt not rude, boo hoo. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****To be frank, what I said didn't really seem rude to me. I'm not particularly sure how you can say that my politely asking you to tone down is far ruder than coming up to somebody's face and practically calling them an idiot. (Unless you mean something completely unrelated?...) Also, being ''harsh'' to somebody's face like that IS generally a rude thing. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:41, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** To be frank, I think that saying "Well this is a stupid fun fact" and then proceeding to rip apart the contributor with a SB quote is pretty rude. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''EXTREME DECLINE!!!''' This is a pathetic fun fact. That's all there is to it.--[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 13:54, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I have no problem with this one. Remove the last sentence, and you're good to go. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[secret recipes]]===
====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' If he always pronounced 'n's and 'm's, wouldn't he have said "pimecome"? Just saying... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:40, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' And Homestar also pronounces R's as W's, but we're not putting that one in the funfacts either, are we? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:10, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Almost everyone is saying that this is common. But really - other than "pimecone" and "pamcake", when has Homestar EVER switched Ms and Ns? I can't think of even one other time. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====
Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

*'''Decline.''' Bratslava isn't a country, nor is it even spelled right! The correct spelling is Bratislava, which is the capital of Slovakia. The only one who could even really be considered a reference is Bumdumborge, and even that's a stretch. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** '''Second''' The Luxembourg reference is TOO obvious, and the "Bratslavia" too wrong. The former Yugoslavia would work better, but it's still pretty obvious that SB was just making up country-like names off the top of his head (similar to Dortugal and Prance.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:23, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
** Yeah, but at least Dortugal and Prance ARE real country names, only with the first letter changed. These ones are just totally random, and not correlating to anything, so... '''Second'''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:27, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
*Maybe that's why he said it was an obvious reference. And, if anyone cares to know, someone revised this fact, so this STUFF really isn't necessary. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:27, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**...and I wrote this one. But give me a break! I'm not from Europe, and I was wrong. Get off my back. Like I said, It's been changed. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Why the hell do you think nobody's commented on this since February 15? I know it was changed. We all know it was changed. Why do you think I STUFFed it in the first place? In a way it was to get it to be changed! Word to the wise, acekirby13, next time you try to post a fun fact, make sure it's as factual as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll stand up in a court of HR Wiki law, but at least you won't be laid to ridicule as much as you were here. And if you're this sensitive to criticism, then don't post here at all. Nobody likes a crybaby! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:22, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Calm down, Kerrek! Nobody likes a smartass either. [[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:23, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
*****Maybe not, but he shouldn't have complained about my STUFFing his fact.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 06:39, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
******Who's complaining? I simply stated why my fact was so dam wrong. Your face doesn't have to turn the color of the Reddest Raddish because of that. And, at least I admitted to such a terrible mistake. I'm sure that more than a couple of users haven't stood up and admitted to their STUFFed facts. ...anyway, its over and done, so lets drop it, or this could turn into a pretty bad flame war. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:12, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*******Whatever, bro. Just be careful what you post in the future, and don't threaten me again. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:26, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===
==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

*'''DECLINE'''-- It's just weird. Unsettling.
**Whats unsettling about it?--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:03, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Decline'''-- I don't find this item to be necessary at all. If anything, it's the *only* time, because they try to do things different with the credits with each new toon. This is, at best, a running gag, and shouldn't be placed on this toon's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:15, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''¡Second!''' Just like how I try to type 'Declined' different every time. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' So? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===
==== Coincedincem ====
According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

*'''Decline.''' TBC reuse flash items a lot! So, I guess it's not a coincedincem. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:35, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:31, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
***'''Third.''' The movies themselves take place in 1936, which was a long time ago, coincedemtally.
****'''FOURTH'D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:34, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Keep.''' It's poorly worded, for sure, but I never noticed it before and think it's interesting enought to keep. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:25, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Fifth'D!''' It Sucks! TBC recycle stuff so their brains don't get screwed!

=== [[other days]] ===
==== Tappity Tappity ====
When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

* Although it was deleted as "not fun", I'm not too sure that it deserves it. Your opinions? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:03, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad often clears the screen by just typing more, analogous to a 'soft return' onto the next page. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:39, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Who cares? Fun facts are supposed to be, well, FUN. They're not about picking out every insignifcant detail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Yeah its a good fun fact? all ya'lls are too picky [[User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*'''Accept.''' Seems to me like a good fact. It's definitely a glitch if TBC usually use the 'enter' noise. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
**You know Evin290, TBC mock fans who use logic like that (Homestar does NOT have a stupid uncle egg). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*** Are you taking a H*R line way too seriously in order to convince people not to take a H*R way too seriously...? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:58, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
**** '''Comment.''' I'm just saying that it's probably worth having because it's out of the norm. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:19, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline!''' On most of my computers I use, it's usually the SPACE BAR that sounds different, not the return/enter key. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:28, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' On my computer, both sound different. Anyway, I think its good enough to be in there. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''', If we acepted this than we'd have to accept all the other fun facts that mentioned a slight, often unimportant, difference. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' That's a good point. Too bad you didn't sign your post. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**Did now --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Ok then. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second.''' At best, this should be called a goof. However, people who enjoy reading goofs would probably scorn this level of pickiness (maybe. I don't care for what people call goofs here personally...)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:15, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
***I've seen "Goofs" around here a LOT worse than this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Pizzle the Nizzle ====
The line "positate the negative" refers to the song Accentuate the Positive, by Johnny Mercer.

*'''Decline.''' Both the Johnny Mercer song and strongbad's line refer to evangelical preaching in general. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:41, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Actually, no. '''Decline.''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:18, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[radio]] ===
====German Radio? ====
Old-timey Strong Bad's pronunciation of radio (rah-dio) is actually the German pronunciation of the word.

*'''Declined.''' I think this is purely co-incidental. I think TSB is pronouncing the word in an "old-timey" way (e.g. newspapper rather than newspaper in [[That a Ghost]]). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:44, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's also the Korean, spanish, italian, etc pronunciation of "radio." For whatever reason, the word radio has been kept as something similar to "rah-di-o" in most languages. Is it funny that americans say "cul-de-sac" almost like the french do?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:14, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondeth''' A coincident. It's meant to be old-timey, like "Four-and-twenty". (Which bears resemblance to, for example, Dutch.) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' It may be co-incidental, but I didn't know that and I think it's interesting enought to keep. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.
*'''Neutral''' What do you guys think?
*'''Accept''' It sounds like a good fact. I mean I didn't know it. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Second!''' -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 08:24, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Interesting and certainly not common knowledge. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' Considering TBC live east of the Mississippi, they probably used it because it just sounded better to them than using a "K". [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]]
*'''Weak Accept''' Not really anything groundbreaking, but the standard for naming radio station call signs based on relation to the Mississippi River isn't necessarily common knowledge. However, like the above voter said, it could just be coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:30, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:59, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept.''' Another poorly-worded fun fact. Add info about TBC's geography for good measure. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:30, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Terminally Confused''' Free Country USA was never a place, so trying to map out its probable location is redundant. -Walking Armless
*'''Accept''' I never knew that. I like it. --[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 15:57, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It's kind of a cool fact, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or not. --[[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*<s>'''Accept...almost''' It's probably true...I think. I live in New England, where the radio stations are W..., but when I took a trip to California, the radio stations were K..., but I need more proof that the Mississippi River determines it. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:46, 2 Mar 2005 (MST) </s>
*'''Accept!''' There's some border between K and W, according to the FCC. If if it was ZSBD, Free Country USA would not be in any plausible place in the States. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:31, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Here's a [http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm document] that explains K/W radio call letters. Note that there are exceptions to the general rule (e.g. WBAP in Dallas, KDKA in Pittsburgh). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:26, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Accept now''' Thank's tomstiff, thats just the proof i needed. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' Heck, I *LIVE* in Pittsburgh, and I completely forgot about KDKA... Still, it's nice to see that explained. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Comment''' I wonder if WSBD is a play on Atlanta radio station WSB. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:36, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
** Uh... if anything, it's just a joke on '''S'''trong '''B'''a'''D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' I'm not sure if it's true because I didn't research it at all but it is interesting and not common knowlage --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*'''Neutral.''' I'm not from the USA, so I wouldn't know if it's true. If it is, then I '''Accept.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:26, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====WSBD in Ohio====
There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

*'''<s>Possible</s> Decline''' This might not be a fact at all, since the only positive reference I could find that listed a WSBD in Cleveland is [http://www.cisworldservices.org/newsarticles/news_wsbdradio1.html this page], which is likely a mistake by the author of the CIS webpage, as there is a [http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wspd&x=0&y=0&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid= WSPD] radio station in Toledo, Ohio with a newsradio format. Could anyone (possibly from Ohio) positively confirm or deny this? <s>(Note: Fun fact not removed from page)</s> --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:01, 7 Mar 2005 (MST) A bit of fact-checking on the [http://www.fcc.gov/ FCC website] has not turned up any licensing information for the WSBD call-sign, which pretty much indicates that no station exists with those call letters. It's technically possible that a radio station WSBD may have existed at one time, but not anymore. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 10:32, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seconding above. Might this reference be a play on Atlanta radio station WSB? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23;40, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' It's definetely a play on Strong Bad. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[origins]]===
====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but its a possible reference.

====Señor & Mr.Bland====
Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

===[[funny]]===
====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
====Poopsmith====
The Poopsmith never blinks.
*'''Decline''' Do I really need to say why? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' Who cares if he never blinks? [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]]
***'''Third''' I don't think ANY character in H*R blinks! -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Comment''' Actually Homestar blinks, ''quite'' frequently, I might add. [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Okay, okay. MOST characters don't blink, unless I'm missing something giant here. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:54, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' If you're gonna put something about a character in a cartoon and not the cartoon itself, I strongly suggest putting it on [[The Poopsmith]] character page.

====Wall Markings====
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]]===
==== Buck Privates ====
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.

*'''Decline.''' I've never seen ''Buck Privates'' but unless there's a scene with Lou under a Heavy Lourde type weight and Bud under a sack of potatoes this sure seems like a stretch to me -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2004
**'''Second''' Indeed. There are more cartoons/movies where that happens. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:33, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]]===
==== Starbucks ====
Double Double Whippless Mochaccino Half Caf is a Coffee drink from Starbucks. However, it is actually called a Venti Half-caf frapaccino w/o whipped cream (not all Starbucks serve this). Double Double refers to a coffee from Tim Hortons with two creams and two sugars.

*'''Decline.''' But wait. If the drink is actually called something else then it's *not* available. Da Bros are just making fun of Starbucks, not refering to a real drink. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline.''' Not only is this not the exact name of a Starbucks drink, the person who posted this fact also had the drink wrong; a Mochaccino is not the same as a Frappuccino or even a Mocha Frappuccino, and "double double" refers to the amount of espresso in the drink, not the size of the drink (so we don't know it's Venti).
**A "Double Double" refers to a coffie having 2 creams and 2 sugars. But still '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 06:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Yes, if you're drinking regular coffee. A Mochaccino is an espresso-based drink. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 07:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seriously, read what you just said... how can it be the same thing, if it's NOT the same thing? Yeesh. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====The Intercom====
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Soofa Group?====
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon.
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

*'''Decline''' Its not the first time a character was created based on a throwaway gag (Homsar for instance).
*'''Accept''', since it's a fairly interesting point.
*'''Accept''' This has been confirmed by TBC as the original source of the name "Stinkoman". I think this is significant enough to note here as well as in "japanese cartoon". - [[User:tim333|tim333]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Modify, accept.''' Say that this is the first instance of the name Stinkoman. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**Second. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:03, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' - GOOD example of forward referencing. Much unlike that "Eh! Steve" one at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:34, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Fairly obvious and already noted on the Stinkoman page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I don't see any problem with two pages cross-referencing each other. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' This is important enough to warrant an entry. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:23, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====
The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

*I would have to say '''Decline''' to both of those. [[The_Brothers_Chaps|TBC]] probably have just been reusing cool ideas. Not any relation to future.
**Second that.
**'''Second''' --[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 09:49, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I doubt that Strong Bad salting his foot was in anyway foreshadowing another e-mail. Especially if we don't know if they had recieved the interview e-mail at that point.
**'''Second''' Plus both of these are already on the pages for the japanese cartoon and island emails
**'''Second''', but you guys need to sign your votes or they don't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:24, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Seems perfectly reasonable to me. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

=== [[2 years]] ===
==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 09:04, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Oh, like: "E. Fullmer's name could be Ed Fullmer, a play on Elmer Fudd" or "E. Fullmer's name could be Evan Fullmer, a disc jockey in Georgia I know, and the brothers chaps are from Georgia." --24.21.86.243 00:19, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**TBC claim not to have come up with any of the content in the e-mails Strong Bad answers, so the name is probably not a joke. Maybe someone who has experience with the LDS church could comment on whether it's common for an elder to sign in that fashion.--[[User:216.231.36.102|216.231.36.102]] 09:35, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Don't suppose this matters much now, since it's verified that he was a Mormon missionary, but for the record no, it's not common at all. I'm a Mormon, and I've served a mission myself, and I've never seen "Elder" abbreviated like that (before). But apparently there's always a first time... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 02:19, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
****In fact, actually, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. Not only is "Elder" in my experience never abbreviated to "E.", but it wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to himself as "Elder Fullmer" in the first place. If he's sending an e-mail saying he's going to be gone for two years and unable to access the web, that means he hasn't started his mission yet, and he wouldn't be calling himself "Elder Fullmer" yet. Okay, I understand someone says this guy is a friend of his coworker and he was indeed a soon-to-be Mormon missionary, fine, but...did his first name, by any chance, start with E? Because that would still make a lot more sense than the "E." standing for Elder when Elder isn't abbreviated that way and he wouldn't be calling himself Elder yet anyway. In fact, the personal testimonial notwithstanding, this rings false for me on enough levels I'm going to have to vote '''Decline''' on this one unless some more direct evidence arises. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 16:07, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:gwr2004|gwr2004]] 11:15, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*Didn't someone say they actually knew E. Fullmer, who is indeed a mormon missionary? Wait... [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=7029&highlight=#7029 yes]. Of course, that may not necessarily mean anything, but I still say '''accept''' either way. - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
:I'm going to have to '''Accept'''. Because it's true! And 216.231.36.102, it's not terribly common for missionaries to sign things that way, but I think he did it so people could get the joke without being so blatant as to write out Elder. I do know that H*R is saturatingly popular at both USU and BYU, so there would be plenty of people to get the joke. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:16, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept'''. Click on the link above - this is a verified fact. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:23, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept''' -- I didn't know that. Definately an interesting tidbit and should be accepted as long as there is enough supporting evidence to merit the assumption. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' I think this should be reworded, because it has been verified. Something like "E. Fullmer is a Mormon missionary, which explains why he will be absent for the next two years," or something. [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
**'''Decline the above revise, accept the original''' The original is a plausible enough explanation, whether it's true or not (and a lot of fun facts are based on more sketchy information). However, I would decline the above revise because someone posting on a message board about 'the best friend of my coworker' is not the same as verification. I should know... my brother's boss's former roommate was the guy whose stomach exploded because he mixed Pop Rocks and Coke. --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 00:29, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====
According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

* '''Decline''' He could simply be there, or visiting. You don't have to belong to a country to visit it, or even to reside in it. (Jim Carrey wasnt amercan until recently but he lived there for years).--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*** Did now--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If that was the case, the sign would read "Population: Tire, Bundt Cake Pan, Coach Z, and Strong Sad." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:59, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**Like, totally '''Second''', dude! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Although I think this fact is wrong, I just want to point out that the population on the tire isn't entire accurate. Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat aren't listed, and we all know they're in there. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:44, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Might I quote the national anthem? "The people are so great, but really there's only me, and that means I'm so great, and also there's the Cheat." --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:54, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====A grill, a doghouse, a trash can, an igloo and the TARDIS====
The spacious interior of The Cheat's house may be a reference to Snoopy's house from the Peanuts comics. It also looked small and ordinary on the outside, but was very large and luxurious on the inside, housing, among other things, his prized Van Gogh. It might also be a reference to Oscar the Grouch's trash can (from Sesame Street), which is also small on the outside, but contains a swimming pool and a number of other facilities within. It could also be a reference to the Nickelodeon show Doug, where his smart dog's (Porkchop) igloo is WAY roomier than it looked. Or even the TARDIS from Dr Who...

*'''Neutral''' I doubt its a reference to any those, but for some reason, I don't want to decline it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:03, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak decline - needs severe rewrite''' This is actually a combination of several entries from that page that should have been combined in a single fact, so I did. The trouble is, there are way too many references noted here. The "roomier than it looks" gag isn't anything new, and severe rewrite on this is needed in order for this to be acceptable. At the very least, the Oscar and TARDIS references need to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:53, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Alls I know is that Snoopy's house was huge on the inside. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 09:00, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's a reference to this... and a reference to that... and a reference to this other thing... and a reference to something else... make up your mind! I hate "facts" like this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
**'''Comment.''' Actually you CAN see how far the Grabbo Arm goes off screen. just watch the .swf file. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally. This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste. These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]

==== Slippers ====
*Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Blade man ====
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Wizard of Oz ====
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless

==== Beat It ====
Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Alms for the pudgy, paintbrush ringing, and '''Accept''' the rest. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Big Time! But with edit: "The piano nightshirt Homestar wears is the same as Michael Jackson's in the "Beat It" music video." Not sure how you'd call this speculation - it's quite specific, and funny as hell, more so than Weird Al wearing it in "Eat It". And racerx, what exactly are you getting at here?--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 13:53, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)
** What racerx is getting at, BTW, is that User:24.21.86.243 added a whole bunch of Fun Facts under one heading and Declined them all with one comment. Someone later came in and split them, putting User:IP's Decline in all of them (which is why all of the Fun Facts near this one have the same Decline comment, even where inappropriate). Apparently, racerx responded to all of them but didn't get his response split in quite the way he'd intended (he meant to decline two of the facts and accept the rest) - and I'm surprised I'm just now noticing. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

I went ahead and added this, combined with the existing not-as-fun fact about the 'anatomically incorrect' keyboard. After finding and watching the video, this is even stronger evidence, as MJ's t-shirt is incorrect in exactly the same way. --[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:55, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd. Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes. Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important? Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left? He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon. It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it. Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction: I made a mistake. The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]] Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment:''' I don't think the Brothers Chaps know this. See [[crying]]. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* Decline Janik
*'''Decline''' There are people named ''State Troopers''. Sheesh, all of this rhyming stuff. Ok, Homestar Runner rhymes with Domepar Stunner. So it's a reference to that tv show? Come on, that kind of thing annoys me! [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===
====Sterrance====
Sterrance's feet look remarkably like the feet of Mickey Mouse

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Lappy Startup Screen ====
The Lappy's boot-up process-- including the sound, the icon, and the logo text-- is very reminiscent of that of [http://www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/macos/macos80/macos80/startupshutdown Mac OS 8].　--[[User:codeman38|codeman38]] 21:51, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks, this item had no clear consensus with 2 Decline votes, 2 Rewrite votes, and a Move vote. The discussion for this item is moved to the [[Talk:Lappy 486]] page --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Price is Right... Again ====
The way Strong Bad is describing Lappy could be a nod to the game show ''The Price Is Right''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a rewritten version of this item was Accepted by a very small margin. It appears in its rewritten form on the page for [[animal]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Weird laptop ====
After some measuring, I figured that the Lappy 486 has the aspect ratio of 1.67:1. A normal display would have the aspect ratio of 1.3:1 and a widescreen display has the aspect ratio of 1.85:1. So the Lappy must have a resolution of around 400x240. More or less. Was there such a display back then? (Yeah, I know this is suppose to be on the Lappy page, but I want to confirm this information and I didn't want to put it there until I made sure.)

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Lappy 486]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.
*'''Accepterific''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:07, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====
When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

*'''Accept''': Looks good to go
*Good to go my eye. '''Decline''', '''''unless''''' you can '''Revise''' this to mention what Atari game it is. You've got plenty of time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:22, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**[http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600 Use this.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:53, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Weak Decline''' -- Basically, this is the same sound made when you roll over the 'store' button on [[Main Page 13]], as well. Even so, there doesn't seem to be any indication in the wiki page for that what game (or games) this sound could have been taken from. Personally, it doesn't seem like something worth spending a whole lot of time on researching. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 01:45, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' If you don't remember which one it was, why make it a fun fact? →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I like that music, and it could be in a PBTC voice. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:46, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Der Klein''' Find out what the game is, and maybe this'll work. Until then, don't waste our time, especially if you only THINK it's a reference. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[virus]] ===
====Real virus?====
Since the curret Frequently Asked Questions page says every email but 'mile' is real, it's safe to assume someone actually tried to crash Compy 386 by sending a virus to Strong Bad.

*'''Decline''' I've got a real problem with this one. The e-mail could have just been corrupted or broken in transit, or, like 'fhqwhgads', it could have been someone just mashing on the keyboard. Also, since Compy 386 isn't actually a real computer, someone couldn't actually "crash" it by sending a virus to Strong Bad. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:20, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's probably just a nonsense email they recieved like the Fhqwhgads. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:45, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' As written anyway. Revise as "someone tried to crash TBC's computer by sending a virus to strongbad@homestarrunner.com." At least, I *think* that's what he meant! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Monkey D-Cline''' It's not safe to assume ANYthing, naive one. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:29, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinification.''' I think TBC did get the E-mail. But I think they just made that virus up for the strong bad e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:11, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== 3D Bubs legs (MODIFIED)====
When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "[[stunt double]]", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a modified version (omitting the third sentence) was Accepted - however, a mention of this particular item is already included in the transcript, so no additional mention in the "Fun Facts" section is necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:08, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Homsar's walking sound (MODIFIED)====
The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "[[for kids]]".

'''VERDICT:''' A modified version of this item (without the specific e-mail reference) has been added to the transcript after an overwhelming number of Modify votes. This item is closed. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:11, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Edgar's anachronism (REVISED)====
Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a revised version of this item was added to the Remarks section of [[virus]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== The Number 423,827 ====
I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of Strong Bad e-mails recieved to date <s>by the site</s> since SB got his Compy, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''Interesting''' Hmm... it could be posssible. I mean, thats less than 4000 emails a week, which isnt alot for popular websites. Is there anyway to confirm this? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''What?''' Where did this come from? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Is it not the number of Viruses that Edgarware.exe found? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 06:48, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Decline anyway''' Unless it gets re-used, I don't see how that matters. I mean, it was just an arbitrarily large number. Are people looking for the significance of the number 1,685,421 (other than Mitch Overlord being that number caller in best thing?) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:22, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:53, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''probably not''' TBC say they get more then 1,000 SBemails each day! So I don't think so. I could be true, though. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:15, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''on second thought...'''' It could be the number of e-mails TBC got since Strong Bad got his Compy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
***'''Whoops-erson...''' Thats what I ment it to be... I'l change it.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:32, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Quote of the Day (or so) ====
Shortly after the release of this e-mail the format of the Quote of the Week box was changed to include the character's image and transcription of the quote. However, this change was not copied for the fake box in this e-mail.
*'''Decline''' There, you just said it yourself. Shortly ''>>'''AFTER'''<<'' the release of this e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===
====Disney "Mickey" Logo====
All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Neutral.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold and Ghostbusters ====
Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Modify this item. The modified form of this item appears on the [[Shopping for Danger]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[montage]] ===
==== Pants ====
Homestar wears pants in the "Im The Best" Easter egg. This is possibly the first time Homestar wears pants.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was voted to be Accepted - however, the item was found to be factually inaccurate. A revision of the item, noting the exception, is currently on the [[montage]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[pizzaz]] ===
==== Biscuit Dough Hands Man (Revised) ====
Biscuit Dough Hands Man is the initial suspect for Strong Bad's crimes in "[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]", created by [[Bubs]] drawing [[The King of Town|the King of Town's]] description of Strong Bad. So (when the Strong Bad Interview-Type Progrum says he will interview Biscuit Dough Hands Man in the next show), technically Strong Bad will be interviewing "himself" again.

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and added to the [[pizzaz]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:36, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== car ===
==== "You ever see me in a car? No!" ====

Another subtle fun fact: At the end of the email, Strong Bad says, "You ever see me in a car? No!" Interestingly, he is seen in the Gremlin just a few emails later, in the Dangeresque 3 email.
*'''Revise, Move''' I think this belongs more in the Dangeresque 3 email fun facts. Also, get rid of the "Another subtle fun fact" bit. - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Decline.''' I'd actually put the Gremlin more into Bubs' possesion. He came up with it, so it just seems to work along those lines.
*'''Decline.''' As with the 'bigger wusses and lesser wimps' item up above, since when does Strong Bad always tell the truth? See [[stand-up]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' He could have also changed his mind about being seen in a car. Since this really doesn't contradict anything, it's not really worth noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:38, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Previously someone else said "Strong Bad tends to lie" or something like that. I've thought of that fact before....also the Gremin might not be his. Allow me to reason:
<pre>
stunt double had Dangereque 2
dangeresque 3 had Dangereque 1, with which car.
car had the "You ever see me in a car? No!" quote.

Allow me to put these in order:

dangereque 3(1)
car(quote)
stunt double(2)

First in Dangereque 2, he wasn't in a car.
but Dangereque 1, he was seen in a car.
Dangereque 1 was obviously made before
Dangereque 2, before "car".

This is too confusing, but I hope it gives you a better understanding of it.

</pre>

--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:55, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think what the above user is saying is that since Dangeresque 1 is a prequel to Dangeresque 2, and Dangeresque 2 was made before "car", that Strong Bad had been in a car before "car" was made. However, I think there is evidence in the "dangeresque 3" e-mail that Dangeresque 1 was actually made after Dangeresque 2 (within the H*R universe). Note the sign at the beginning that says "Not in 3-D" and the fact that it is called "Dangeresque 1", not just "Dangeresque." Strong Bad probably realized there was no Dangeresque 1 and subsequently made one, excusing its appearance after Dangeresque 2 by saying it was the limited edition director's cut. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:44, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

'''Comment.''' Now I get it: He says, "Do you ever '''see''' me in a car?" He said that because we didn't see Strong Bad in a car yet.--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 04:59, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
He must be s

=== [[lackey]]===

==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I know the current is going towards a lot of declines, but this is one I have to '''ACCEPT.''' I actually think this fact is a decent one. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:37, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' I just realized the problem with this item: there isn't really a discrepancy here. Lackey is #96 while Montage is #117, so it's possible that The Cheat could have become unemployed (as a lackey) between then and...then. We're not told about anything regarding The Cheat's job status in the meantime, so this isn't really that notable. (And my comments above about the montage not being canon still stand.) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Not necessarily. I am sure that if Strong Bad did lose his The Cheat, we would have heard about it. I'm sure The Cheat is more valueable to him than his Compy, but look at how much he freaked out when it was shotgun'd, If he lost The Cheat he would probably be depressed for a few weeks. Also, in extra plug, The Cheat still stands by, wating for his orders (to plug in the shoes) which would indicate he is still a valueable lackey to SB. And I realise that he "created a montage", and the results dont have to be completely true. However, there is nothing indicating that it is UNtrue either.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===

==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

*'''Rewrite'''- Too long and confusing --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:48, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ...though I almost voted Decline. The reference is a decent one. Perhaps something as simple as:
The 1936 Strong Bad, Strong Man, and The Sneak stealing the parsnips
in the wheelbarrow is reminiscent of the scene in The Reddest Radish
where their 21st-century counterparts steal Marzipan's radish.
::The mention of the speculation is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
=== [[Strong Sad's Lament]] ===

==== Meh ====

"meh" is one of Strong Sad's emotions, and it also is frequently said by The Cheat.

*'''Decline.''' It's to obvious, It's like saying Homestar's speech impediment. Meh is also an emotion meaning normal, not happy, not sad, just...meh. - [[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:14, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===Strong Bad's Lament?===
History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

*'''Decline.''' If that was true, Strong Bad would more likely write "HJLWHOUISNASNKL?A STUPID!! GUY I AM A STUPID GUY!! HA HA HA!!!!GUIS kljIUS SJ". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:16, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*That was one incident! You can't say that Strong Bad would write like that all the time. And you can't honestly say that sounds like Strong Sad. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:39, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Revise, Accept''' Too much speculation as written, but I must admit that it DOES look a bit more like SB's handiwork than SS's. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:17, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I'm not seeing Strong Bad listening to a live David Bowie track... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**And doubt Strong Bad could draw that good. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:42, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** We ARE talking about the same Strong Bad, right...?

==Games==

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Control Scheme====
The poor control scheme (a to jump, s to fire) may be another Mega Man reference, this time to the Mega Man Anniversary Collection which included Mega Man 1-8. On the Gamecube version, the controls for fire and jump were also messed up. (a to fire, b to jump) This eventually ended up with many frusterated gamers who intented to jump over a bottomless pit, but instead fired their plasma buster instead.
*'''Decline'''. This has got to be a joke. Poor control scheme? Tons of computer games use cursor keys as directions and a and s as action buttons. Also it is not uncommon to see the action buttons in the same order, with jump on the left and attack on the right. Additionally, many gamers choose a and s as their main buttons when setting up games and emulators and have no joypad. I'm sorry for whoever got burned by Mega Man, but this really isn't the place for it. -[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 11:52, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:18, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline'''. The control scheme for Stinkoman 20X6. Whoever wrote this was probably mad at MMAC and just wanted to get it out of his system. I really don't see what the problem is. I have that game, and in a few minutes I was fully adapted to the weirdish control scheme, no problem. -[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. I, too, have that game, and it came almost second nature. It's not a "poor" control sceme. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''', mostly because it's irrelevant (although I DID hate that reversed control scheme in ''MMAC''...). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:39, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second and a comment'''. Hey, the Jump-with-B, Shoot-with-A scheme worked for Metroid Prime, why not MMAC? :P Hehe, oh well. :) -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:28, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' This is waaay too big of a stretch. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:26, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline w/Comment''' I've been playing MMAC on the Gamecube recently. The button layout is not that convoluted at all - once you get used to it, it's second-nature. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Ninja Gaiden Levels====
Level X.x is also a reference to the display of levels in Ninja Gaiden.
*'''Decline'''. The display of levels within Ninja Gaiden used a dash rather than a period and sub-level notation has been used in a number of different games. Had each level been called an "Act" as in Ninja Gaiden, you'd be onto something. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:38, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Sub-level notation was used as early as Super Mario 1... And even with "Act" it still wouldn't have just been Ninja Gaiden... Sonic had that too. -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:30, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*Uh, no it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:27, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stoves====
Planet K is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.

*'''Decline'''To quote geoguy: What's the big deal? I feel that Homestar Runner's world is on a different plane of reality. It obviouslty is, but in saying on the official Wiki page that gas stoves are supposed to be obsolete by 20X6? What is 20X6? 2016? Gas is most likely to run out in 2025 in OUR world. In Homestar's world, there may be abundant reserves of oil. Have you ever seen anyone drive a car(for real) in Free Country, USA? They may well use mainly solar power. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline''' This is quite presumptuous - how do we know that gas stoves would have become osbolete? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' maybe 20x6 is 2006... ever thought of that, smart guy? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:32, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog
*'''Weak Accept''' It doesn't seem worth pointing out, really, but I guess it's interesting. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It is now noted in the Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:58, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stone Fist====
When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!

*'''Decline'''Same as the "More Levels" fun fact listed above. Obvious and not noteworthy as a fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Same as my comment above - since the game has no Transcript, it's useful as a fact. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. This doesn't show that there will be new levels. That's what the screen AFTER the cutscene's for. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:41, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' [[User:http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*I'm wearing clothes, does that mean for sure I'm going out? '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Now noted in the walkthrough transcript --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:43, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Engrish====
The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.

*'''Decline'''There is absolutely no need to point this out. Yet another fun fact that's too obvious. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I do agree that is kind of obvious, but this does constitute a valid reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''; noted at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:43, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Zero Wing is far from the first instance of Engrish. Come on. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Brody====
Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.

*'''Decline'''Aside from Brody's legs and coloring, this isn't true. And the legs and coloring don't hold much water on their own, seeing as how: A. Birds' legs look something like that and are often illustrated that way. B. Every other chicken in Level 2 is colored yellow, and chickens are often illustrated to be yellow anyway. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:35, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Tampo====
The name Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.

*'''Decline'''This is very doubtful. Tempura is a big stretch, sure the manual says Tampo is as mean as he is delicious, but that hardly connects Tampo and tempura. And ''tempo''?? Tampo has nothing to do with tempo or even anything musical. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
** '''Comment''' Well, it IS a Mega Man parody, and many Mega Man characters are named for musical terms (Rock & Roll, Blues [in Japan], Bass, Treble, Forte [in Japan], Gospel [in Japan], Rush, Tango, Beat, Punk, Enka/Enker, Quint, Ballad(e), Duo... and I'm probably forgetting a few.) Of course, that doesn't automatically mean that Tampo was named for the term "tempo" - it probably wasn't - but it's not outside the realm of possibility. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Decline''' The creators of Megaman had music in mind when they made the character. They said so. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:03, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Big stretch in both cases. And a '''Comment''' to [[User:Ogog|Ogog]], make sure that your comments are bulleted and that you show your vote as Accept or Decline. Also, make sure you remove the STUFF'd item when you put it on this page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Er, the vote, that is. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:44, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===

====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' In an interview with one of the Brothers Chaps, he says that the Bronco Trolley was something he saw in a dream.
**Please sign your vote. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== General ==

=== Cross-Toon Facts ===

==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.
* '''Decline every last case''' Not necessary; the parents of various characters are referred to multiple times (the Bros. Strong, Pom-Pom, and even Marzipan (even though the last one was later changed.)) Similarly, any instance of "This is the first time Strong Sad has smiled/laughed/burped/sighed/whatevered" is not only silly but, these days, wrong. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
* '''Revise, Accept.''' Just replace [insert scene here] with a description of the scene, and you're good to go.
** The point to this fact is that people have attempted to add it to MANY emails under MANY circumstances (and some incorrectly labelled it "the first" instead of "one of the few".) Notice that this is under "Cross-Toon Facts". --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' The phrase "one of the few" should automatically disqualify this from being accepted. Fun facts should tell something unique or noteworthy about the toon in question - if you have to rattle off a list of other toons where the same thing happened (except in extreme cases where a reference to a previous e-mail/toon is explicit), then it shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:53, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Clever Ben — Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:52:32 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Controversial Fun Fact

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pokémon, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is really long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==

=== [[brianrietta]] ===
==== "Tough Guys"? ====
*This is the only reference to homosexuality in the entire site, '''and thankfully Strong Bad handled it more maturely than most "tough guys" would have.'''
This is an interesting fact, but I think that the part in bold is a bit unecessary. After all, this is a knowledge base, not a place for rants. If you wanted to put something like this, I suggest doing it in the forum. Besides, this is easily infered from reading the transcript. I think that the part in bold needs to be deleted, and the rest added back into the Fun Facts.

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Hom Sar Ref====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" is actually a reference to the Homsar Main Page, when the mouse is moved over the "Games" bubble. --[[User:SgtKeeling|SgtKeeling]]

*'''Decline''' It doesn't sound to me like he pronounces it "gee-ames". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It is probably unintended by the creators. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Calvin Decline''' Somehow this reminds me of the Simpsons: "Were you saying 'boo,' or 'boo-urns?'" [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 09:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' Homsar says "James," not "Gee-ames." [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:55, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' No offence, ISlayedTheKerrek, but the Homsar Main Page transcript is just one person's interpretation of what he says. When I listen to it, it could be James, but it could also be Gee-ames, too. -BlueNose
** It isn't GEE-AMES, and anyone who scrolls over the word "games" in the Homsar page will clearly hear him say James. If you hear Gee-Ames, I seriously suggest you get your ears checked. Oh, and sign your vote properly. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:45, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** Well, actually, it's a bit more ambiguous if you hover over "Games" quickly and pull the cursor away before the weight falls. But it's even ''further'' from GEE-AMES that way, so '''Decline'''. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Homsar says no such thing. [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]] 4 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' Sewiously, this is wediculous. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:57, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Actually, it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:49, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Lil John====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" may be a reference to Lil John from Lil John and the East Side Boyz.

*'''Rewrite''' Uh huh... so HOW and WHY is it a reference to Lil John? If you can prove this, then it can be accepted. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 11:01, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Response''' I think he means how Lil' Jon says stuff like "YEE-AAAH!" [[User:The Jolly Dumple|The Jolly Dumple]] 4:17 PM, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)
**'''Response''' Well, then, the person who wrote this fun fact should have said that. Keep in mind, however, that almost every rapper in existence says stuff like that. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:42, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''', unless Jolly Dumple is right. If he is, then '''Decline'''. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' Seriously, dump any fact that relies on phrases like "might be". Especially if its about TBC referring to something obscure. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Third.''' I'm agreeing with you on this one - these "might be" references are way too numerous, and in most cases, they're opinions. Hell, even the phrase "might be" is subjective to begin with. I propose an automatic deletion to any Fun Fact that uses this phrase. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:56, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
****'''FOURTH'D!''' [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*****ARROW'D... I mean, '''FIFTH'D''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Trial Game origin====

The trial game is based upon the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]] - the trial game's [http://www.homestarrunner.com/SevenSecondTrialGame.swf Flash file] contains graphics and sounds used on the Games menu but not in the trial game.

*'''Decline.''' It's a reference to Space Invaders. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** Ooops, yeah, I was rather vague there, wasn't I? I didn't mean the style of game, I meant the actual nuts and bolts of the thing. The 'engine', as it were. I know such recycling would be relevant if it caused a bug or something else really obvious, like the VCR in SBEmail114 "The Facts" did, but this is harmless, so I wanted a judgement on it. [[User:The Archon|The Archon]] 18:13, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It actually uses code from the games menu '''and''' Armless Invaders. But who expects them to code a new game just for an April Fools gag? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While I disagree that they wouldn't code a new game just for an April Fools' gag, I do agree that this fact is unnecessary and somewhat inaccurate. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 17:59, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====False Advertising====

The second page claims "ACCESS TO ALL 230+ STRONG BAD EMAILS!" when there were only 127 emails at the time it was posted. This parodies how subscription sites often flagrantly misrepresent their content.

*'''INFINITELY STRONG ACCEPT-erson!!!!!!!!!''' Why in the world was this stuffed???????????--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:25, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Decline''' Because the fact is redundant? Theres already a fact explaining that the toon is a joke on pay sites. Theres also another fact pointing out that the material in this toon doesn't actually appear anywhere else on the site. ''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Accept.''' It's accurate and not obvious from the page itself. I won't miss it if it gets voted down though. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:48, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I think this was ment to be an ironic insider joke. Irony does not necessarily make a "fun" fact, but maybe it can be rewritten as an inside reference. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Accept''' Fairly obvious, but a bit of a fun fact nonetheless.[[User:GreatG|GreatG]]
*'''Strong Accept.''' This goes under the file of "not everything needs to be STUFF'd! Let's leave it to the fun facts that deserve it, guys. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:48, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept''' It's slightly obvious now, but the information about how many emails there actually WAS at the time will make this Fun Fact more interesting as time goes on. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* I added how misleading pay site previews can be to the explanations part of the Wiki entry. So I'm changing my vote to '''revise'''. Just add a fun fact explaining which parts of the toon were meant to be lies. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Fine by me. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''ANTI-Accept''' Are all of you people serious?? If this goes up, it ought to be combined with the "this is a parody of websites becoming paysites" fact. It certainly shouldn't stand alone IMHO. It's redundant because the fact that the whole thing is based on pay sites is ALREADY STATED. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:10, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Like I said, if we accept this then we should list the other inaccuracies in the toon. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Special Appearance====
Mr. Shmallow can just barely be seen in the fourth screen of the 'toon.
* '''Da Cline''' Then add him to the list of cast members. This isn't a fun fact. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Whats Her Face's lack of appearance====

For whatever reason, Whats her face was shown on the 4th page, but not at all in the "trial" TGS cartoon.

* '''Decline''' Noted in the transcript, and it's hardly an interesting remark regardless of such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 07:57, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' It's certainly worth noting, and I didn't notice it the first time around. Keep it. [[User:little-man|little-man]] 14:09, 3 Apr 2005 (EST)
*'''Decline.''' Since there IS no reason for her absence, there's no reason to mention it. It's not necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:01, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' And who knows how far into the preview the clip was? She may have already been killed off. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Basement-to-Computer Room Ratio====

According to the "Trap Door" clip, the computer room and the basement are two different floors, even though Strong Bad is never seen going up stairs when he goes from the couch to the computer room in cartoons like [[morning routine]].

* '''Decline'''. Umm... There are several other references to this. 1. [[Arcade Game]]: "in da basement -sb", why would Strong Bad put this if they were on the same level? 2. [[strongbad_email.exe]] (All discs): The camera transition to the Bonus Stuff menu infers that the basement is downstairs. And... that's all I can think of. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 00:16, 3 Apr 2005 (BST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline''' In [[morning routine]] they might have just skipped the part where Strong Bad goes up the stairs for the sake of saving time. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Hear here - showing Strong Bad go up and down stairs would take a whole new set of animation. Why bother? Traversing stairs isn't integral to the toon. Also see Venusy's comment above regarding "Arcade Game". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 18:03, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*I don't have the Email DVD, so I wouldn't know. And I just thought we should point out that this is the first time we see this. I've seen Fun Facts state that it was the first instance you see something when it is obvious and probably shouldn't be pointed out. And as for the note in [[Arcade Game]], characters point out things that you can see obviously all the time, and maybe the computer room and the basement were two different rooms in the whole basement. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 10:36, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**But why would Strong Bad leave a note saying they were in the basement IN the basement? '''Decline''' --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*If you think [[Arcade Game]] is the first sighting of the difference between the computer room and the basement, then why don't you just list that under Fun Facts on ''it''? --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:42, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' Because the appearance in Arcade Game is self-explanatory. When someone says they're "in da basement," it's safe to assume you're going to have to go down stairs in order to get to where that person is. There's no reason to state this in that e-mail, and as such, there really is no reason for it to be stated in this one. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

===[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]===
====Sweating====
Mr. Shmallow sweating is a reference to old television sets where the lights required to light up the set often made the set uncomfortably hot.

*'''Weak Decline.''' I have to admit this one has had me stumped for a long time. It's the best explanation I've seen yet, but I'm not sure it's the right one. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*<strike>'''Stronger Decline.'''</strike> [EDIT:] '''Full Decline.''' Personally, I too have always wondered why he's sweating... and, who knows, maybe it ''is'' the lights—but I doubt it. There's nothing in the 'toon to even suggest the above as being more than mere speculation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline''' -- It's true that the lights of early television sets made the actors sweat a great deal. However, Mr. Shmallow is not from the 40's-50's era of television, he's from the 30's (allegedly; I'm not convinced that the Brothers Chaps can tell the difference...). [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept''' Hey, it could be true. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:22, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**But it could ''more easily'' be false. I don't think the minimum burden of proof has been met to justify including it. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Watch any of the old-timey shows and you'll see how much everyone is sweating. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw Mr. Shmallow sweat.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**The problem is that (1) they're on film, not TV, (2) nothing in the shot where he's sweating makes it look like he's under any lights, bright or otherwise, and (3) it's the only instance I can recall that a 1936-era character has sweated like this. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. 1) Being on film wouldn't change a whole lot necessarily, considering it's a low-budget-ish commercial, so, given that and the time era, it WOULD have the hot lights no matter what. 2) Would YOU want the lights visible when you're shooting? Hmm? 3) There's a first time for everything. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:37, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Stronger-est? Decline.''' Like I said below: If you can't prove it, don't post it. He could be sweating for any number of reasons. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''ULTRA SUPER DECLINE''' He isn't sweating. The moon just ate him so now he's dripping with spit from its "mouth thingy".
**But his glasses were fogging up...not to say that's from sweat, necessarily...

===[[long pants]]===
====Overlapped voice====
This is one of the few times Strong Bad has used his ability to overlap his own voice. This ability is first introduced in techno.

*'''Decline''' Uninteresting, and disqualified due to the phrase "one of the few". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:16, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''"DECLINE!"''' For the record, they're FUN facts. --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 08:21, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Homestar's Shoes, part 2====
They might not be blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet but actual shoes, according to [[New Boots]] anyway. He also refers to them as shoes in [[Everybody Knows It]], where he says, "So, I guess it's back to putting dog food in my shoes, huh?"

*'''Decline''' Wasn't this bit about Homestar's shoes already tackled and Declined? Also STUFF'd due to conversational style. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Shorter E-mail====
This email is much shorter than most recent emails, being at least half a minute shy of its predecessor.

*'''Decline''' This is unnecessary, due to the running time being evident at the top of each e-mail page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Half a minute isn't much, and even if it was, who cares? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:18, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And I'm the one who said this. -Walking Armless
*'''Modify and Accept''' I think it could have been because they also released the April Fools gag on the same week, so if you add that information it might be kinda interesting... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 05:07, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**No its still boring. '''decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Unless it's the shortest one to date (and it's not), forget it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann
*'''Accept.''' I don't think Eggman understands what this fact is saying. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:48, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Homestar Over Correction Fluid====
When Homestar appears on the Lappy's screen, he isn't covered by the correction fluid, but rather, he shows up on top of it.

*'''Weak Accept, but Move''' Like the above item, this doesn't seem so much as a Goof as a Remark - given that Homestar is acting crazy when this happens, certainly odd things would happen that aren't necessarily Goofs on the toon's creators' part. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:21, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Secone."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 04:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Its a sight gag, there isn't meant to be any kind of logic to it (in real life you wouldn't be able to appear on a computer screen just like that). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 20:06, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''accept''' When Homestar's mad, anything can happen!--[[User:mk5due|mk5dude]] 1 April 2005
*'''Decline''' My guess is that he didn't go inside the Lappy screen, but in front of it.--[[User:Bonk|Bonk]] 17:14, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Klowning Arkound====
The fact that "Kertified Klown Kare" has every word starting with K might be a reference to Krusty the Clown, from The Simpsons, who tends to use that letter a lot and is, obviously, a clown.

*'''Severe Decline!''' Man, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth from reading it. It's just what clowns do! -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' I'm not saying anything here, but am I the only one who noticed that "Kertified Klown Kare" is basically K.K.K.? --[[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:33, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*There was actually a "K.K.K" joke like that on the Simpsons. Still doesn't make this a reference to it. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*"decline" However, on the simpsons there was the Krusty Komedy Klassic.
*'''Decline''' Lots of things use Ks instead of Cs. (Though I do love the K in place of the ''soft'' C here, that's irrelevant to the fact.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Self-Made Man====
Homestar saying "I'm a long-pants man, long pants long pants" is a possible reference to [[Bubs]]' [[Character Videos|Character page]] where he says "I'm a self-made man, I am I am".

*'''Decline''' Just watched Bubs' Character Page, and the line he says sounds nothing like what Homestar says in [[long pants]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I gotta '''Accept''' this, because my keen ears detect some sort of similarity. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' What would be the point in referring to Bubs' video anyway? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' It really doesn't seem like a "reference" to me. More like a "coincidence." →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It does sound similar. It also sound like a reference the Bros Chaps would make. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:28, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:10, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Reaching. Lower-hanging fruit would be to compare it to HR's own character page where he says "butt dance butt dance", and it still wouldn't be a fun fact for me. [[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:41, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
*'''Decline''' Only vaguely similar, not close enough for moi. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====2nd Homestar Crying====
This is the second time Homestar cried in an email. The first was [[crying]].

*'''Decline''' First times can be interesting. Second times, not so much. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:48, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' And how... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:50, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Unless someone can figure out a way to graph it! --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 28 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' And isn't there another "fun" fact below that was about how [[crying]] showcased the second time a character cried? --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''"Second."''' [[User:69.3.234.29|69.3.234.29]]([[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 22:59, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)) 22:57, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Yes there is, Donny. And I'm gonna say what someone said in their vote for the crying fun fact. The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*** An immediate disqualification is also in order for those who don't sign their votes. and '''Delete,''' by the way. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:58, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is so uninteresting. The point of funfacts isn't a place to count how many times who does what. You wouldn't see a fun fact saying that "This is the eighth time Strong Bad blames the Cheat for something in an e-mail" (made number up). I'm declining it basically on the grounds that nobody really cares. -- [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 9:51 AM 2 April 2005

====Red Screen====
When Homestar finishes going nuts, the screen turns red, like in [[Where the Crap Are We?]].
*'''Decline.''' Big deal. It's not even the same kind of red. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:17, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:29, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I actually thought of this when first saw this e-mail. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 18:06, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Useless and already in transcript. And, BTW, I found a variant of this in Goofs (people need to learn what a "Goof" is!) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Edga Jr., Tompkins, and Ron Cumberdale...long lost triplets?====

Edga Jr. bears a striking resemblance to Tompkins and Ron Cumberdale, one of the things the The Three Keepers of Trogdor turn you into if you get one of their questions wrong.

*'''Decline.''' At least in Tompkins' case. I don't think Edga Jr. looks like Tompkins at all. I don't know about Ron Cumberdale...but I doubt it too. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:03, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Eh, they all look like generic nerds if anything. '''Decline'''. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I saw this one earlier and almost STUFF'd it myself. People are REALLY stretching to make references here, aren't they? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Decline.''' Although [[Edga Jr.]] does looks like a mix between [[Tompkins]] and [[Ron Cumberdale]], this is a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:18, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmm... it's kinda tough to say Cumberdale looks like anyone, seeing as how he's composed of roughly eight pixels. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 15:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
Could someone post a picture of the three of them side by side?

Done and done. Now judge for yourself. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:36, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

[[Image:edgajr.png]][[Image:tompkinteen.png]][[Image:roncumberdale.PNG]]

*'''Weak Accept''' Tompkin's face and acne + Ron Cumberdale's hair + Obscure references = Edga Jr. --Yaanu, 9:21 CST, 2 April 2005
* I'm upgrading my vote to '''Strong Decline.''' Edga Jr. has freckles, not pimples, and you can't even really tell from there that Ron Cumberdale has the same hair. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:48, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Declinariffic''' I'm not seeing it. At all. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:53, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Clanky?====
"Clanky" is a reference to the popular video game [[Wikipedia:Ratchet & Clank|Ratchet & Clank]].

*'''Revise.''' Replace "is" with "could be". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:08, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' [[User:Aussie Evil|The Great Aussie Evil]] 23:00, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' "Clanky" was just said as a mispronunciation of Clancy. It's not like Ratchet and Clank coined the word Clank anyway.
**'''Second''' But sign your vote. And I think that any fun fact that cannot be confirmed (could be, might be, its possible that) should be removed or STUFF'D till it can be confirmed. Maybe then kids wouldn't be so eager to try and make a connection to their favorite game/show/movie what have you. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Decline Second'd, Suggestion Weak Accept'd''' I agree that there are way too many of these types of "possible references" being made, but STUFFing every single one would be REALLY time-consuming and would bloat this page way more than it already is. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Well, I don't mean that every un-confirmed fact should get stuffed. But crap like this one where there is clearly no connection could and should be deleted without any fuss or voting. If they author of the fact cares that much they can stuff the fact themselves and post a defense.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' (the Decline, that is) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:29, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Strong Bad always pronounces names and places wrong, I'm positive it has nothing to do with that game. --[[User:Minteh|Minteh]] 12:02, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And The Cheat is a reference to Cheato the Spellbook in Banjo-Kazooie! And the King of Town is a reference to King Daphnes in The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker! Or not, since there are about -1 pieces of evidence that there's any intentional correlation at all. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Sam I Am====
Homestar saying "I have long pants, I wear long pants..." is a reference to Dr Seuss's childeren's book "Green Eggs and Ham"
*''' Severe Decline and Baleted-erson''' No it's not. If the phrase was "I have long pants, Long pants I have" where the subject and the object are reversed, than it would be a refrence. But it is not.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 19:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' 1000% no. Where did you get this idea from? The fact that both have verbs in it? Oh! "Am" and "have" are both verbs with the letter "a!" That HAS to be a reference... Come on, guys... This doesn't even belong on STUFF :-( →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:49, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
**Tis why I said Balete--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:54, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''SECONDED!!'' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''DECLINE'D!''' Totally unfounded. Go away. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:04, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And geez, you could have at least spelled "children's" correctly. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*...learntospell... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:54, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bedroom Window====
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], but in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere, even though it should be in the shot. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 13:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Revise = Very Yes. Run-on sentences hurt my brain. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:42, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**It wasn't a run-on, but I still Decline. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:08, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**It totally was. It should have been broken into two sentences; somewhere between "Presents" and "but".
**'''Revise, accept''' It is a run-on scentence. Try:
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]. However, in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere even though it should be in the shot.
*'''Decline''' He could just be laying at the other end of the bed, thus the room would be flipped. Gah, most of the "goofs" posted aren't even genuine and this is no exception. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' This is not fun! Also, a run-on sentence needs to lack a conjunction or semicolon to be a run-on sentence, ***LACK*** an example would be this one I'm typing now. --[[User:sninky-chan|sninky-chan]] 18:44, 4 Apr 2005 (CET)
**Totally untrue. Run-on sentences can have conjunctions; haven't you ever seen someone overuse the word "and?" Example: I went to the store and I bought some candy and then I went home and then I watched TV. There are conjunctions there, but it's still run-on. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:34, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***The sentance is fine, it just uses commas in the wrong place. Still doesn't make this a good fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.
*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It DOES screw with the timing of the joke. Mouth movements aren't the issue here. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[crazy cartoon]]===
====Sealab 2021====
"I'm gonna get you, Eh! Steve!" is a possible reference to an episode of the cartoon "Sealab 2021" called "Waking Quinn," in which a shark yells "I'm gonna get you Stinky Pete!" about seven minutes into the episode.

*'''Weak Decline''' At first, I wanted to be sure that the episode in question aired before [[crazy cartoon]], but as it turns out, the quote isn't precise ("I'll get you, Eh! Steve!" is the actual phrase). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:06, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**I did check TVTome.com, and the episode in question DID air before "crazy cartoon". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Major Decline''' It's likely that the Bros. Chaps watch Sealab, since they did a song for it. However, this reference is a huge stretch. "I'll get you (whoever) if it's the last thing I do!" is a common cliché phrase for villains. Sealab and this email were referencing the same general phenomenon. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:40, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:22, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' Listen, people, I don't know if you've figured this out yet, but just because you hear something in a movie then on something else doesn't automatically mean it's a reference, unless the movie says something that hasn't been said before. Like, if Strong Bad says "a little bit of the old ultraviolence", That would be a reference to A Clockwork Orange since that was basically the first popular movie to say that, but what if he said a phrase that has been used for decades and just happened to be in some popular movie, that doesn't make it a reference, okay? [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
* Uh...that's what this page is for, EEDIOT. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:13, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 01 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' And, BTW, who are you talking to, ISTK? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Old Characters Page]]===
====The H word====
Bubs' profile is one of the few instances that the word "hell" is used on the site, other instances being in [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] (Easter egg) and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]].
*'''Decline.''' Did you know that [[comic]] is one of the few instances that the word "<s>ass</s>" is used on the site, with the other instance being [[Hairstyle Runner]]? Well don't post a fact about it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:12, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Comment''' In [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] they say hella, not hell. --[[User:Koooo275|Kiril]] 10:30, 27 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Agree''' I never noticed that before.
*'''Comment and a decline''' The use of "hell" in the toons is more on the slang side than actual cursing. In the case of Parsnips its just referring to the fiery place of torment. So the use of "hell" isn't really worth noting. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Declardon me''' Oww, my freakin' ears! How could the Brothers Chaps stoop to such apalling vulgarity?! [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:47, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'd''' "one of the few"? tsk, tsk. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:36, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I doubt he was "offended" by the use of the word hell or anything like that, he was just noting a useless fact. Whatever the case, I decline.

===[[techno]]===
Strong Bad might have said "Oh very clever" after reading the name Silent J because it could be a reference to Jay and Silent Bob, a pair of recurring characters from [[Wikipedia:Kevin Smith|Kevin Smith's]] movies. It also may be clever because it's referring to the concept of a silent letter (for example, one would say "the word 'jalapeno' has a silent J"), and making reference to Silent Bob at the same time.

*'''Decline.''' I think the Silent Bob connection is a real stretch. The silent letter connection is much more reasonable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Revise.''' Funny, I think it's the other way around. It never occurred to me that "Silent J" would be anything but a play on "Jay and Silent Bob," but maybe that's my pop-culture-saturated brain. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:01, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The latter part doesn't work but the Silent Bob connection does. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:42, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' My brain is pretty saturated with pop-culture, too! However, it's from a time when Disco ruled and dinosaurs walked the earth! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' Jalepeño is the stretch; Silent Bob is the obviously correct one. And I haven't even watched J&SB! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:52, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I had thought he meant the fact that "Silent J" would mean he shouldn't actually say anything at all, so he was sort of duped, and he was mockingly calling him clever. I don't know. [[User:Nevrmore|Nevrmore]] 22:48, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm...no.Thats more of a stretch than the "jalepeno" part of the fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** I think this is what is meant as well. After reading an e-mail, Strong Bad almost always starts his response with "Well, [insert name]", or "......, eh [insert name]?" Since the writer is calling himself Silent J, Strong Bad is at a loss to use his name in his reply.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:38, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' FWIW, "jalapeño" does not in fact have a silent J. The j is pronounced like an h, but it's certainly not silent. - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:25, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' - but the only revision this needs is to remove the uncertainty, because it's clearly a reference to Jay and Silent Bob.

===[[Experimental Film]]===
====Calvin and the Cotton Gin====
In a Calvin and Hobbes strip, Calvin sometimes would use "The Cotton Gin" as an answer to problems he did not know, even on math tests.
*'''Weak Decline''' Since the answer was right on that test (and never right on Calvin's tests) I don't think this is the case. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
**'''Comment''' We never actually see the questions to the test (except the first, which is "Are you all going to be in my experimental film?"), so we don't know if the answer is right. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on comment''' Actually, we know the answer was wrong, because the test-taker got an A+ after selecting a ''different'' answer (specifically, "Yeah!") --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 09:56, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Comment on my own comment''' Well, okay, actually, I was assuming that it was multiple-choice and that the test-taker was selecting the first of four possible answers (notice the hilight). I suppose four questions being on a different page never really occurred to me before now. Oh, well, whatever. The test-taker got an A+. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:01, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Will the commentary never cease?''' You are right! I personally don't think it has much to do with whether it's a reference or not, though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 10:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*****'''Hehe, cease. Tis a funny word.''' *watches as people give me wierd looks*... Well, its true. Cease is a funny word. Neway, I '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:57, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seems a bit of a stretch. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:45, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept.''' This reference seems fine to me. Calvin did this a lot and I think of it when seeing "cotton gin" on a test. It might be a bit stretchy though. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:49, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second'''
*'''Decline.''' Theres an essay by Mike Nelson (of '''Mystery Science Theater 3000''' fame) about how Eli Whitney and the cotten gin were all kids used to learn about in school. So the cotten gin answer isn't really an original idea (or at least not one to put a specific reference on). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Weak Decline''' I read and own many Calvin and Hobbes comic collections. In my reading, I noticed that while Calvin did use The Cotton Gin as answers, he mostly just puts down random answers to questions he didn't know the correct answer to. Other answers include "Trostsky, Lexington, 1824", and so on. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 17:27, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decwine''' This is true, but not relevant. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:50, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or it could be that the question was 'What did Eli Whitney invent?' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[pom pom]]===
====Bubs...greedy?====
When Strong Bad smashes his face into the wall, Bubs puts up a sign saying that face smachings are $5. When Pom Pom beats the everloving crap out of Strong Bad, Bubs puts up a sign saying that severe beatings are $10. Could Bubs be greedy?
*'''Decline.''' This is definitely not the only reference to Bubs' greedyness. By the point this email comes out, anyone that knows Bubs would almost expect that of him. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Third.''' And add, duh. -- [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 09:47, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fourth.''' Everyone knows that Bubs' is greedy. It's not just the [[pom pom]] email. Don't forget [[local news]] where they have to pay 5 bucks to wait in line. It's a joke to poke fun at already known knowledge. (I know I'm being repetitive.) [[User:Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
**'''Fifth''' A fact by a newb. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (or '''Sixth''', I guess, to follow the pattern here...) - [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:26, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ('''Seventh''') We all KNOW Bubs is greedy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:37, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline-inate'''And what about him charging increasing amounts of cash for pictures with the tragic hotdog clown? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Gee, you figured out Bubs was greedy all by yourself huh? No flashcards or anything? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[website]]===
====Mahir Cagri reference====
Strong Bad's closing remark that the writer of the email may be big in Pakistan tomorrow might be a reference to Mahir Cagri; a Turkish citizen whose personal website was the number one personal website of 2001.
*'''Decline.''' Seems like a stretch to me. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Maybe, but theres not enough evidence. It could just be a variation on "big in France" or "big in Japan" style jokes. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DECLINORZED''' A turkish website big in America... an American website big in Pakistan. These are not similar. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:10, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Fourth Wall Breaks]]===
====Strong Bad wants a cartoon====
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own.
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place? This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to "decline" the entire idea of logging "fourth wall breaks"... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. "So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...") - Dingell
*'''Decline''' But then, I think the whole "Fourth Wall Breaks" page is a waste of webspace for reasons I think are probably mentioned on its Talk page. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Hello, Viewers!====
In [insert Strong Bad Email here], Strong Bad says [insert speach here], which hints that he knows he's being watched by an audiance.
*'''Decline.''' There are too many of these out there, and they're almost all boring. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline.''' I agree. This fun fact can not be placed anywhere. Could it be that he is so self-esteemed that he believes that he will have an audience for anything he does? [[User: Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline''' See vote for "Strong Bad wants a cartoon" --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[different town]]===
====Beastie Boys====
"This next one is the fourteenth song on my forty-second album" is a paraphrase of the Beastie Boys' [http://www.beastieboys.com/] introduction to their song "Jimmy James" on their album "Check Your Head". In that song, the Beasties begin by saying, "This Next One, Is The First Song On Our New Album..."
*'''Comment''' I STUFF'd this because it seems like a big stretch to me. I'm sure the Beastie Boys aren't the only ones who have said "this next one is the first song on our new album."
*'''Decline.''' Agreed - many bands have said this and it's way too common to be attributed to any one source. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:06, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:AwesomeSauce|AwesomeSauce]] 20:53, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:50, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondinated!!!''' --[[User:blakyoshi7|blakyoshi7]] 11:58, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Two'd!''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:11, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''2nd.''' ("Two'd". Rudeboy is now my hero!) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[little questions]]===
====Monty Python and the Holy Subtitles====
The pseudo-Swedish subtitles are very (too?) similar to the opening credits of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
*'''Decline''' There is a very key difference between them. In Monty Python, the subtitles are meant to look like they're in a foreign language when they're not. In little questions, they are meant to look English, translating pseudo-English being spoken to a Swede. That's not close enough for me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:00, 14 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' Entirely different subtitle gags - they just happen to share a common language. Also, the Holy Grail subtitles are not accompanied by the original audio that the subtitles are translating (I *know* there isn't an original audio track - I'm making a point here). And one more thing, the subtitles in 'little questions' are in English, not even QUASI-psuedo-Swedish. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:07, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crying]]===
====Crying like we've done before====
This is the second time a H*R character cries, the first time being in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*'''Decline.''' Unimportant, uninteresting, unacceptable. I don't see any reason to make note of this at all. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:47, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*'''Decline.''' Not very fun or interesting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:12, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And did you know that "Homsar" is the second e-mail that Strong Bad appears in? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Seconding all the declines above. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Though I did post a similar fun fact in Homestarloween Party using the knowledge from this fact. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And [[for kids]] was the second time we see Strong Bad smile, and in [[virus]] it is the second email where a Strong Bad's computer explodes. Do you see how boring that can get? [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 21:57, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''D to the Cline''' Uh... so? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:53, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====All y'alls====
"All a y'alls" is taken from [[sb_email_22]].
*'''Decline''' A slight stretch. I don't think Strong Bad said the exact same thing, and probably has said "all a y'alls" In another toon or sbemail. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:09, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I live in Houston, and I hear "all y'all" about 749 times a day. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
**True, it's a common saying. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''' Agreed. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline''' Ya, and he took "Holy Crap" from email 1, and 2, and every other frickin email hes done. BORING! *screen turns blue with white "Boring!" on it*--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 10:59, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diclyne''' "Taken from?" Hardly. He's just using a common phrase more than once. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:55, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[New Intro]]===
The HTML filename (intro.html) does not match its SWF counterpart, named newintro.swf. intro.swf is the Flash file for the Old Intro.

*'''Accept'''. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell of; why was this STUFF'd? Oh well... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is just like the Flash MX fact below. Who cares what the file is called?[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While file naming is notable in instances where there is an intended gag (as with E-mail #100 and the fake 100th e-mail page), this one doesn't even bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:54, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second''' As Homestar said, "Boring." --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:44, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' The Brothers Chaps used a new SWF filename so they could tell the difference between it and the older intro. The HTML filename is still the same because it causes the new intro to be the default. This saves the trouble of changing all the link paths on other pages. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I read this one before it was STUFF'd. I thought it was pretty interesting, kind of. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 13:38, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

===[[2 emails]]===
====Ladies' Choice Awards====
"The 2003 Ladies' Choice Awards" is most likely a reference to "The Kids' Choice Awards", which is hosted by Nickelodeon each year.

*'''Decline.''' They could be talking about something else. Maybe a '''Revise''' could also be in order; lest we forget the People's Choice Awards? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:11, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline Second'd.''' It's probably more a reference to People's Choice than Kids' Choice since the former has been around longer. In any case, this joke is obvious enough that it doesn't need explanation. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:14, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' It's a People's Choice reference...
**'''Second''' Also Critic's choice awards--[[User:Saddy Dumpington's Soolnds]] 16:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:57, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Fifth second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Comment.''' The Kids' Choice Awards themselves are probably a reference to the People's Choice Awards anyway.

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Rewrite''' How about "This is Sickly Sam's first appearance where he does not 'die'." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:15, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline Slightly''' We can all see Sickly Sam ATTEMPTED to kill himself by burying himself alive on a Tuesday. -Walking Armless
**1936 Bubs was buried alive too, but he seemed to be OK. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:31, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I disagree that anything noted as "so far" is bad (though "this is the first time" is usually more appropriate.) However, this fact isn't totally true as stated, so '''Rewrite and accept''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[dreamail]]===
====those weird little kids====
It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

*This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Strong Decline.''' Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Responding to the previous two''' He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity ''Murder Mystery'' which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Accept/Rephrase''' There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline.''' I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; ''Village of the Damned'', ''The Ring'', ''The Shinning'' etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:31, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' A scooby doo reference would be "If it weren't for those meddling kids..."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:48, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Diggity-decline''' Yeah, or pretty much every cartoon series ever made. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 08:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' for reasons stated by others --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[old comics]] ===
====Strong Bad is an Old Man====
Strong Bad says that he appeared as a guest in the Castlefunnies comic strip, which he later notes was cancelled prior to the "dry pencil scare of '47". Since the email clearly takes place in 2004 (as noted at the end), this makes Strong Bad at least 57 years old.
*'''Accept''' [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 15:49, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' or even better '''Move'''. Excellent observation, but I think it would serve better on Strong Bad's and Homestar Runner's character biographies, stating that they must both have been born prior to 1947 according to this email. --[[User:62.252.224.13|62.252.224.13]] 16:19, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I put up this fact, and I think it's useful and "fun" as an anecdote, but it probably shouldn't be taken as a hard fact within the Homestar universe. Just to note a few contradictions that would arise if Strong Bad were in fact this old: (1) We probably wouldn't be able to have a VHS tape of Little Strong Sad performing stand-up comedy at school, (2) If the King of Town was already King in 1947, then The Cheat must have "mashed play on an extremely expensive jambox" before 1947, because the king was still a prince when said jambox-mashing occurred in sbemail 100, (3) A fiftysomething man goes trick-or-treating, and his mom helped him with his costume (Homestarloween Party)? Seems a bit strange. But anyway, I think it's worth pointing out the age factor.
*'''Comment''' I'm not too sure, I mean, the email is really just looking at it as though the character of Strong Bad was used back then(since, as just a character, the age wouldn't matter. The idea for Strong Bad's character could've been around then, but then later used in modern day times, like, for example, Popeye or Mickey Mouse, for whom age isn't an important factor.), but it's presented through Strong Bad's point of view, thus implying that he would have aged since then. Sure, one could note that "Strong Bad has been around for 58 years", but saying that Strong Bad himself is over 58 years old doesn't work for me. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline.''' I can't see any proof that the Castlefunnies actually "happed". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:47, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE.''' Some of you are reading way WAY too much into this. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:56, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Wow! Maybe old timey Homestar IS regular old Homestar...nah. Its a joke used for one e-mail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Very interesting, but it should be reworded. This isn't Strong Bad's age, it's just him showing that he knows that he's an unaging cartoon character. It's a forth wall break. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 10:48, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept and rephrase''' It is interesting, but maybe it should be rephrased into the passive, saying "If it is true, Strong Bad would be 57 years old." That, or we've caught Strong Bad making things up, and there never was a Castle Funnies.[[User:Aaronite|Aaronite]] 6:32, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, this is radiculous. Definitely not fun in any way... And probably not accurate either. It's just a joke. A one-time joke. Get over it. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:00, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Worst prize'D, Ding''' People, we have encyclopedias, we can look things up. Just because we know things about the revolutionary war, doesn't mean that we're 200 years old. We go to school, and we learn things. So there. --64.136.27.226 18:01, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Um... you should READ the fun fact before you vote for it. Sure, just because you know about the Civil War doesn't mean you're 200 years old, but what about if you FOUGHT in it? Because the "fighting in the Civil War" metaphor paralells the fact in question, not your post.
*'''Decline''' Ummm, if this was taken literally, then how old would the KoT be?! Strong Bad's a liar, and this is a one-time joke, as said many times above. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:11, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Chew on this: There's a 1936 version of Strong Bad out there, so it could be an "older" version of Strong Bad in the Castlefunnies, and not actually the present-day one. As it is, the other Castlefunnies characters look different from their present-day counterparts, and the Poopsmith actually had a different name.
*'''Decline.''' First of all, the castlefunnies was not syndicated in 1947. The strip is in color, and it's only one line long, not half a page! The poopsmith talking in commas is a clear reference to woodstock in the Peanuts strip, who didn't even exist until the late 1960s. And the font used for the title "The Castlefunnies" looks much too modern. When Strongbad talks about the fact that the dry pencil scare of '47 only lasted three days, what he's saying (assuming he's not just making up the pencil scare just to be sarcastic) is that there was NO pencil scare at the time that they started producing the castlefunny pencil moistener (whenever that happened to be--looking at the comic strip style, I'd guess in the 60s at the earliest, though possibly as recent as modern day). --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' Just needs something like "If what Strong Bad says is true...". [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====The Strong Mad Ate Pasta Salad With Homestar's Spoon Controversy of Aught-Five====
The spoon in Strong Mad's easter egg is the one Homestar uses as "Colonel" of the Homestarmy.

*'''Decline.''' Need we bring up the ketchup example? Too general. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:05, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd!''' Hmmm, is ''anyone'' getting the picture that TBC reuse things all the time? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Apparently not if the STUFF'D fact below is any indication (oh, and '''second'''). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' This one IS too general... (however, the one below is not) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' Holy crap! This cartoon is the 192nd time Strong Bad's head appears. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:11, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Honestly!''' A word to the administrators: I move that these copy-and-paste Fun Facts be DELETED immediately. Do I have a second to this motion?
** I move that you SIGN your vote. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:40, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second Kerrek's Motion''' People these days are getting sloppy with vote signage. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:32, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[best thing]] ===
==== Rudiments ====
"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

*'''Decline''' This is more likely a variation of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]." Also, percussion stickings are written exclusively in caps; I think this reference would be more believable if the line appeared as "RRLL RRLL" in the e-mail. [[User:Svelt|Svelt]] 23:20, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Living in Houston, I hear people pronouncing "real" as "rrll" about 2,568 times a day. I took this as a joke based on southern accents. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 04 Apr 2005

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

*'''Revise and Accept.''' The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
::--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
***What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*****C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
******Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*******'''Decline.''' Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
* Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***"Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in [[monster truck]], it doesn't show up in their [[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards]], or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in [[haircut]] or [[flashback]] (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides [[Puppet Time]]). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** I like how you added in "as usual", as if we've had a million arguments before when in fact I do believe this is the closest thing to an argument I've had here (and if it isn't, its the first one I've had with you. The fact is that if the guitar had been a cartoon prop people would've jumped on it screaming "TBC re-use things all the time". The guitar was not central to joke. It could have been any guitar that was thrown. Therefore, its just another prop. Second, one thing you said is that this fact is valid because some viewers might not have noticed the guitar's re-usage. The re-use is even less important if its been pointed out elsewhere on the site (hey, lets mention that Homsar started out in the e-mail "Homsar" everytime he appears). ITS. JUST. A. PROP. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***It doesn't matter how much you capitalize it or put periods after every word, it doesn't make it more true or the guitar less noticeable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*<s>'''Accept''' It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)</s>
**After reading all the arguments, I am changing my vote to a '''Decline'''. Animated or not, it is stiull just a prop and is just as unimportant. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' I found this fact interesting. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Y'alls can argue all you want, but I think the fact is good enough to be mentioned. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:17, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd.''' Donny is being argumentative, as he usually is. The majority so far is ruling, so get used to it. Oh, and... if you want it to be possessive, it's just ITS, but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's IT apostrophe S. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:00, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cancelled after first episode====
There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:
:'''You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961'''
:'''Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969'''
:'''Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979'''
:'''South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993'''
:'''Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000'''
Of the five, '''Turn-on''', ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "'''Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In'''," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

*'''"SEVERE DECLINE!"''' (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG ACCEPT!!''' I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "'''montage'''". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --[[User:s t i n k o m a n K|s t i n k o m a n K]]
** Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. '''DECLINE''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a '''second''' on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
** The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Point One''' This has been mentioned about other single-episode shows already. '''Point Two''' Nobody wants to read about failure shows on a site about a successful web cartoon.
*'''Major Revision then Accept''' Only keep Turn-On, because, like the Limozeen cartoon, it didn't even make it through the pilot episode. Oh, and '''Point Three''' Sign your vote.--[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:43, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

====Space Gary & Facegary====
"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, [http://www.jamesweb.co.uk/index.php?jw=facegary1 Facegary].
* '''Decline''' Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**Second
**Third - JZ
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' (What is it with the constant claims, based on the most tenuous of similarities, that something is "almost certainly" a reference to some obscure webtoon or other phenomenon? I think some people need to review the definition of "certainly"...) -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:35, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' By almost certainly, of course, you mean "no way in hell except in my twisted mind", right? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:12, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' That's what I got from it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second Part II''' Facegary is too twisted, man. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Parappa the Noodle ====
Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaRappa_the_Rapper_2 Parappa the Rapper 2]".
* '''Decline''' Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second'''; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played ''Parappa'', but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --[[User:blackbelt|blackbelt]] 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
*Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. '''DECLINE.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' Explain why it could be a reference. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**In Parappa the Rapper 2, a group of people are turning anything and everything into noodles.

====They Might Be Giants reference?====
Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to [http://www.tmbg.com They Might Be Giants'] John Flansborgh.
*'''Decline.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' And it's '''Flansburgh''' not "Flansborgh". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Neutral''' I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
*'''Decline.''' The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE''' TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
** Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** Says the guy that '''Decline'''d it in the first place... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Flash MX====
This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.
*'''Comment''' I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --[[User:67.177.52.133]] 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, '''Decline'''. -- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava]]
*'''Decline''' Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Revise, accept''' As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:

The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.

:Signed: [[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**'''Comment.''' While "newintro" had a good reason for the different filename, this doesn't, so, '''Decline'''(unless sbemail126.swf gives you something different, in which case, '''Accept'''). --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 11:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

*'''Decline.''' This rambles and makes no sense. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
* '''Revise, Accept''' Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second t3h second'''--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
****'''Is this in respons to my comment of ISTK's? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I thought that was the joke. [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I like this rewrite. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Alternate Rewrite''' Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
*'''Decline''' While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
** '''Second''' Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* '''Rewrite, Accept''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

*'''Accept''' I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' They're similar, but definitely not the same. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:13, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''"STRONG ACCEPT!"''' Good eye, good eye! --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Even if it does look the same, it is worth noting that the claw is reappearing. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Guy With a Metal Jaw ====
With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in [[Wikipedia:Masters_of_the_Universe|the He-Man tv show]], another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.
:Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
:Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
:Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
::Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
:Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)

*'''Revise''' Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Also remove "etc.. etc." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:59, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This seems really vauge. A lot of villains could look like that. The "Or's" say enough.
*'''Decline''' Everyone should be able to recognise instantly that the villian is your generic 80s cartoon villian before being told in a 'fun' fact. Those that can't probably don't care. It's as useful as saying that limozeen's long hair is a reference to Poison and other bands where guys had long hair. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:12, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This. That. Other thing. No good. --[[User:Jay|Jay]]

==== See you in syndication ====
Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like ''Clerks'' or ''Family Guy'' which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

*'''Decline''' It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second'''
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:39, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It actually happened the opposite way with ''Clerks'': It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== The Beatles ====
The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).
*'''Decline''' The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Need I really say why? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show ====
Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in [[montage]], but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).
*'''Decline''' I really don't see why. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Move''' It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the [[Inside Jokes]] page (where it seems like it would most belong). --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline''' It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Background Goof ====
When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

*'''Comment:''' I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Move, then Accept''' Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Absolutely not!''' References to "This that and the other thing" are totally useless and encourage people to add to it, making it MORE useless. Maybe an Explanation or Remark, but not a Reference. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Rewrite.''' This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Babylon 5 ====
"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold is in question)

*'''Accept:''' Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline:''' it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.[[User:Keab42|Keab42]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Sergeant Marshie]] ===
==== Marshie's Initial ====
His first initial is 'M'.
*'''Decline'''
**'''Second.''' But sign your vote →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:33, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's great kid. You want a cookie everytime you point out the obvious?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 16:00, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third, fourth...'''I think you get the drift. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:58, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Shouldn't it just be "His initial is 'M'"? We don't know that he's got any others. Also, fun fact already noted in the [[Cheat Commandos...O's]] Fun Facts. So '''Decline'''. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]]
**'''NOTE''': I just checked the Cheat Commandos...O's Fun Facts again, and it is only his first initial. Oh, the (slight) embarrassment. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]], 20:03, 27 March 2005 (BST)
*'''Decline''' As it is, this item is mind-numbingly obvious - but even if you're referring to the easter egg in the Cheat Commandos...O's toon, it's also already noted on that page as well. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:23, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. It's major obvious that his first initial is "M", because his first name is Marshie. He doesn't have "Sergant" in his name. DO THE MATH! --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:13, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And this is news, how? Strong Bad's first initial is S, but I don't see that anywhere. Really.
*'''ULTRA OMEGA SUPER SEVERE HYPER ALPHA DECLINE!'''-What is this crap?!---[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]
*'''Decline''' Wow, I gotta say this is fan-FREAKING-tastic! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 05:19, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Double Decline!''' What? 'M'arshie's initial is M? Wow! Have you noticed the Strong Bad pill in the new games menu has SB on it? Come on!! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:02, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' OK, enough with the sarcasm already - in case you hadn't figured it out, this item is in reference to the easter egg at the end, the one that shows the Marshie action figure. The box says "His first initial is 'M' - that's where this comes from. Someone's not being totally dense; it's from an easter egg and therefore, someone felt it was mentionable... even though the quote itself points out something undeniably obvious. Cut the guy a little slack (whoever he is)... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** All right, all right. However, Eggman, please close the voting, because you KNOW more people will chime in unless you do. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:04, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[colonization]] ===
==== Until next week... ====
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[dragon]] ===
==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====
The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".
*'''Weak decline.''' Doubtful. "appears to be very similar." So you're not sure whether or not it's similar? I think that TBC just wrote their own stuff. Even if it appears to be similar, that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the creation of the the song. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:23, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe second'''Severe seconding a weak decline,--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====
"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis
*'''Severe decline.''' Just because something sounds like something else doesn't make it a reference. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:41, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe Second''' --[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:28, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Ticked-off Third''' -- I just think it's stupid. That's all.
*'''ULTIMATE DECLINE'''. It was just three words toghether from three different emails. Why was ths STUFF'D? --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''a-digga-diggga-digga-DELETE!''' This is stupid. It's not why was this STUFF'd- why was it even put on the board in the first place. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:53, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Definitely Decline.''' -[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 30 Mar 2005
*I choose you, '''Declinachu!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seriously. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:15, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.
* '''Decline.''' Didn't consider this a "fun" fact at all... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. It was well observed, but as a 'second incidence' it isn't much fun. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 13:37, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."
* '''Weak Decline.''' Felt this was a bit of a stretch, though I did wonder if it was a reference myself. Still, "Rosebud" is the last dying whisper of Citizen Kane, while Rose-face is anything BUT whispered. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Too much of a stretch, IMO. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:14, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Just because two words sound the same does not mean they are connected. He doesn't even say it in the way that rosebud is used in Citizen Cane. --[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.
*'''Decline.''' I don't think that they were purposefully referencing the Pizzaz Pizza oven. The two words are just spelled similarly. (Also, there was a restaurant where I live called "Pizza Pizzazz," but you don't see me putting that down as a fun fact) :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 10:02, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong decline.''' I don't think that this this really is a "fun fact." It's barely a fact. It's incidental at best. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:50, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''SUPER DECLINE'''. Why it was a fun fact probably has to with some people make stuff y'know, with words from bigger words. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:19, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Or, it could be... '''Pizza'''z, which I think is pretty obvious. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:47, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====
At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline.''' Good thinking, but this is definitely not a reference. This isn't the first time this stage has been shown (See [[A Decemberween Pageant]]) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 16:29, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**I just watched ADP, and the part of the stage in question is not visible. Perhaps I should look in the email where the stage appears (I don't remember the name right now). [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
***In the very first scene after marzipan says "Homestar, I don't think those are your lines." That's when they show the whole stage.
**** Hmmm...how did I miss that? [[User:24.58.44.43|24.58.44.43]] 19:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Just because it's already shown doesn't mean it's not a reference. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:17, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===
In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''''Note:''' this submission created the section on STUFF, but named it incorrectly as "[[Where The Cheat Is At?]]". This is referenced at least once in the votes below.''

*'''Decline and also, who cares?!''' And sometimes Homestar's shirt is a lighter shade of blah blah blah. Fun facts are meant to be FUN, okay? You didn't even get the name of the cartoon right! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' - yeah, it's a nice detail, but not really all that worth mentioning; too minor. (And Donny, nothing personal, but that was pretty harsh, man. Might want to tone down before we hurt someone's feelings...) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:02, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd''' →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:58, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)
** I'll tone you down my lord! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment'''Just to give you a head's up, Donny, those were the ''rudest'' words I have ever heard. Realize that this is a cartoon, ''' '' PLEASE '' '''. If you ever spoke like that in the real world, you would get your butt kicked.
***'''Comment''' Uh-huhhhh...1) Sign your post. 2) Scroll up. People are saying far ruder things than I did, including the person who told me to "tone it down". 3) I was blunt not rude, boo hoo. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****To be frank, what I said didn't really seem rude to me. I'm not particularly sure how you can say that my politely asking you to tone down is far ruder than coming up to somebody's face and practically calling them an idiot. (Unless you mean something completely unrelated?...) Also, being ''harsh'' to somebody's face like that IS generally a rude thing. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:41, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** To be frank, I think that saying "Well this is a stupid fun fact" and then proceeding to rip apart the contributor with a SB quote is pretty rude. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''EXTREME DECLINE!!!''' This is a pathetic fun fact. That's all there is to it.--[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 13:54, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I have no problem with this one. Remove the last sentence, and you're good to go. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:48, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[secret recipes]]===
====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' If he always pronounced 'n's and 'm's, wouldn't he have said "pimecome"? Just saying... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:40, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' And Homestar also pronounces R's as W's, but we're not putting that one in the funfacts either, are we? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:10, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Almost everyone is saying that this is common. But really - other than "pimecone" and "pamcake", when has Homestar EVER switched Ms and Ns? I can't think of even one other time. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====
Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

*'''Decline.''' Bratslava isn't a country, nor is it even spelled right! The correct spelling is Bratislava, which is the capital of Slovakia. The only one who could even really be considered a reference is Bumdumborge, and even that's a stretch. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** '''Second''' The Luxembourg reference is TOO obvious, and the "Bratslavia" too wrong. The former Yugoslavia would work better, but it's still pretty obvious that SB was just making up country-like names off the top of his head (similar to Dortugal and Prance.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:23, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
** Yeah, but at least Dortugal and Prance ARE real country names, only with the first letter changed. These ones are just totally random, and not correlating to anything, so... '''Second'''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:27, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
*Maybe that's why he said it was an obvious reference. And, if anyone cares to know, someone revised this fact, so this STUFF really isn't necessary. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:27, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**...and I wrote this one. But give me a break! I'm not from Europe, and I was wrong. Get off my back. Like I said, It's been changed. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Why the hell do you think nobody's commented on this since February 15? I know it was changed. We all know it was changed. Why do you think I STUFFed it in the first place? In a way it was to get it to be changed! Word to the wise, acekirby13, next time you try to post a fun fact, make sure it's as factual as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll stand up in a court of HR Wiki law, but at least you won't be laid to ridicule as much as you were here. And if you're this sensitive to criticism, then don't post here at all. Nobody likes a crybaby! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:22, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Calm down, Kerrek! Nobody likes a smartass either. [[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:23, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
*****Maybe not, but he shouldn't have complained about my STUFFing his fact.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 06:39, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
******Who's complaining? I simply stated why my fact was so dam wrong. Your face doesn't have to turn the color of the Reddest Raddish because of that. And, at least I admitted to such a terrible mistake. I'm sure that more than a couple of users haven't stood up and admitted to their STUFFed facts. ...anyway, its over and done, so lets drop it, or this could turn into a pretty bad flame war. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:12, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*******Whatever, bro. Just be careful what you post in the future, and don't threaten me again. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:26, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===
==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

*'''DECLINE'''-- It's just weird. Unsettling.
**Whats unsettling about it?--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:03, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Decline'''-- I don't find this item to be necessary at all. If anything, it's the *only* time, because they try to do things different with the credits with each new toon. This is, at best, a running gag, and shouldn't be placed on this toon's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:15, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''¡Second!''' Just like how I try to type 'Declined' different every time. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 07:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' So? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===
==== Coincedincem ====
According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

*'''Decline.''' TBC reuse flash items a lot! So, I guess it's not a coincedincem. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:35, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:31, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
***'''Third.''' The movies themselves take place in 1936, which was a long time ago, coincedemtally.
****'''FOURTH'D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:34, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Keep.''' It's poorly worded, for sure, but I never noticed it before and think it's interesting enought to keep. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:25, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Fifth'D!''' It Sucks! TBC recycle stuff so their brains don't get screwed!

=== [[other days]] ===
==== Tappity Tappity ====
When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

* Although it was deleted as "not fun", I'm not too sure that it deserves it. Your opinions? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:03, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad often clears the screen by just typing more, analogous to a 'soft return' onto the next page. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:39, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Who cares? Fun facts are supposed to be, well, FUN. They're not about picking out every insignifcant detail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Yeah its a good fun fact? all ya'lls are too picky [[User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*'''Accept.''' Seems to me like a good fact. It's definitely a glitch if TBC usually use the 'enter' noise. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
**You know Evin290, TBC mock fans who use logic like that (Homestar does NOT have a stupid uncle egg). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*** Are you taking a H*R line way too seriously in order to convince people not to take a H*R way too seriously...? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:58, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
**** '''Comment.''' I'm just saying that it's probably worth having because it's out of the norm. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:19, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline!''' On most of my computers I use, it's usually the SPACE BAR that sounds different, not the return/enter key. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:28, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' On my computer, both sound different. Anyway, I think its good enough to be in there. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''', If we acepted this than we'd have to accept all the other fun facts that mentioned a slight, often unimportant, difference. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' That's a good point. Too bad you didn't sign your post. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**Did now --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Ok then. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second.''' At best, this should be called a goof. However, people who enjoy reading goofs would probably scorn this level of pickiness (maybe. I don't care for what people call goofs here personally...)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:15, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
***I've seen "Goofs" around here a LOT worse than this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Pizzle the Nizzle ====
The line "positate the negative" refers to the song Accentuate the Positive, by Johnny Mercer.

*'''Decline.''' Both the Johnny Mercer song and strongbad's line refer to evangelical preaching in general. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 08:41, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Actually, no. '''Decline.''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:18, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[radio]] ===
====German Radio? ====
Old-timey Strong Bad's pronunciation of radio (rah-dio) is actually the German pronunciation of the word.

*'''Declined.''' I think this is purely co-incidental. I think TSB is pronouncing the word in an "old-timey" way (e.g. newspapper rather than newspaper in [[That a Ghost]]). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:44, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's also the Korean, spanish, italian, etc pronunciation of "radio." For whatever reason, the word radio has been kept as something similar to "rah-di-o" in most languages. Is it funny that americans say "cul-de-sac" almost like the french do?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:14, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Secondeth''' A coincident. It's meant to be old-timey, like "Four-and-twenty". (Which bears resemblance to, for example, Dutch.) [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' It may be co-incidental, but I didn't know that and I think it's interesting enought to keep. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:07, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.
*'''Neutral''' What do you guys think?
*'''Accept''' It sounds like a good fact. I mean I didn't know it. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Second!''' -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 08:24, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Interesting and certainly not common knowledge. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' Considering TBC live east of the Mississippi, they probably used it because it just sounded better to them than using a "K". [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]]
*'''Weak Accept''' Not really anything groundbreaking, but the standard for naming radio station call signs based on relation to the Mississippi River isn't necessarily common knowledge. However, like the above voter said, it could just be coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:30, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:59, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept.''' Another poorly-worded fun fact. Add info about TBC's geography for good measure. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:30, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Terminally Confused''' Free Country USA was never a place, so trying to map out its probable location is redundant. -Walking Armless
*'''Accept''' I never knew that. I like it. --[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 15:57, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It's kind of a cool fact, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or not. --[[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*<s>'''Accept...almost''' It's probably true...I think. I live in New England, where the radio stations are W..., but when I took a trip to California, the radio stations were K..., but I need more proof that the Mississippi River determines it. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:46, 2 Mar 2005 (MST) </s>
*'''Accept!''' There's some border between K and W, according to the FCC. If if it was ZSBD, Free Country USA would not be in any plausible place in the States. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:31, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Here's a [http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm document] that explains K/W radio call letters. Note that there are exceptions to the general rule (e.g. WBAP in Dallas, KDKA in Pittsburgh). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:26, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Accept now''' Thank's tomstiff, thats just the proof i needed. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' Heck, I *LIVE* in Pittsburgh, and I completely forgot about KDKA... Still, it's nice to see that explained. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Comment''' I wonder if WSBD is a play on Atlanta radio station WSB. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:36, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
** Uh... if anything, it's just a joke on '''S'''trong '''B'''a'''D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' I'm not sure if it's true because I didn't research it at all but it is interesting and not common knowlage --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*'''Neutral.''' I'm not from the USA, so I wouldn't know if it's true. If it is, then I '''Accept.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:26, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====WSBD in Ohio====
There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

*'''<s>Possible</s> Decline''' This might not be a fact at all, since the only positive reference I could find that listed a WSBD in Cleveland is [http://www.cisworldservices.org/newsarticles/news_wsbdradio1.html this page], which is likely a mistake by the author of the CIS webpage, as there is a [http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wspd&x=0&y=0&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid= WSPD] radio station in Toledo, Ohio with a newsradio format. Could anyone (possibly from Ohio) positively confirm or deny this? <s>(Note: Fun fact not removed from page)</s> --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:01, 7 Mar 2005 (MST) A bit of fact-checking on the [http://www.fcc.gov/ FCC website] has not turned up any licensing information for the WSBD call-sign, which pretty much indicates that no station exists with those call letters. It's technically possible that a radio station WSBD may have existed at one time, but not anymore. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 10:32, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seconding above. Might this reference be a play on Atlanta radio station WSB? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23;40, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' It's definetely a play on Strong Bad. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[origins]]===
====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but its a possible reference.

====Señor & Mr.Bland====
Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

===[[funny]]===
====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
====Poopsmith====
The Poopsmith never blinks.
*'''Decline''' Do I really need to say why? [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second''' Who cares if he never blinks? [[User:mk5dude|mk5dude]]
***'''Third''' I don't think ANY character in H*R blinks! -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Comment''' Actually Homestar blinks, ''quite'' frequently, I might add. [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:16, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Okay, okay. MOST characters don't blink, unless I'm missing something giant here. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 08:54, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' If you're gonna put something about a character in a cartoon and not the cartoon itself, I strongly suggest putting it on [[The Poopsmith]] character page.

====Wall Markings====
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]]===
==== Buck Privates ====
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.

*'''Decline.''' I've never seen ''Buck Privates'' but unless there's a scene with Lou under a Heavy Lourde type weight and Bud under a sack of potatoes this sure seems like a stretch to me -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2004
**'''Second''' Indeed. There are more cartoons/movies where that happens. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:33, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]]===
==== Starbucks ====
Double Double Whippless Mochaccino Half Caf is a Coffee drink from Starbucks. However, it is actually called a Venti Half-caf frapaccino w/o whipped cream (not all Starbucks serve this). Double Double refers to a coffee from Tim Hortons with two creams and two sugars.

*'''Decline.''' But wait. If the drink is actually called something else then it's *not* available. Da Bros are just making fun of Starbucks, not refering to a real drink. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2005
*'''Decline.''' Not only is this not the exact name of a Starbucks drink, the person who posted this fact also had the drink wrong; a Mochaccino is not the same as a Frappuccino or even a Mocha Frappuccino, and "double double" refers to the amount of espresso in the drink, not the size of the drink (so we don't know it's Venti).
**A "Double Double" refers to a coffie having 2 creams and 2 sugars. But still '''Decline'''.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 06:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Yes, if you're drinking regular coffee. A Mochaccino is an espresso-based drink. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 07:38, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Seriously, read what you just said... how can it be the same thing, if it's NOT the same thing? Yeesh. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====The Intercom====
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====Soofa Group?====
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon.
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

*'''Decline''' Its not the first time a character was created based on a throwaway gag (Homsar for instance).
*'''Accept''', since it's a fairly interesting point.
*'''Accept''' This has been confirmed by TBC as the original source of the name "Stinkoman". I think this is significant enough to note here as well as in "japanese cartoon". - [[User:tim333|tim333]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Modify, accept.''' Say that this is the first instance of the name Stinkoman. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**Second. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:03, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' - GOOD example of forward referencing. Much unlike that "Eh! Steve" one at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:34, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Fairly obvious and already noted on the Stinkoman page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I don't see any problem with two pages cross-referencing each other. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' This is important enough to warrant an entry. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:23, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====
The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

*I would have to say '''Decline''' to both of those. [[The_Brothers_Chaps|TBC]] probably have just been reusing cool ideas. Not any relation to future.
**Second that.
**'''Second''' --[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 09:49, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I doubt that Strong Bad salting his foot was in anyway foreshadowing another e-mail. Especially if we don't know if they had recieved the interview e-mail at that point.
**'''Second''' Plus both of these are already on the pages for the japanese cartoon and island emails
**'''Second''', but you guys need to sign your votes or they don't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 31 Mar 2005
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:24, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Seems perfectly reasonable to me. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

=== [[2 years]] ===
==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 09:04, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Oh, like: "E. Fullmer's name could be Ed Fullmer, a play on Elmer Fudd" or "E. Fullmer's name could be Evan Fullmer, a disc jockey in Georgia I know, and the brothers chaps are from Georgia." --24.21.86.243 00:19, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**TBC claim not to have come up with any of the content in the e-mails Strong Bad answers, so the name is probably not a joke. Maybe someone who has experience with the LDS church could comment on whether it's common for an elder to sign in that fashion.--[[User:216.231.36.102|216.231.36.102]] 09:35, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Don't suppose this matters much now, since it's verified that he was a Mormon missionary, but for the record no, it's not common at all. I'm a Mormon, and I've served a mission myself, and I've never seen "Elder" abbreviated like that (before). But apparently there's always a first time... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 02:19, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
****In fact, actually, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. Not only is "Elder" in my experience never abbreviated to "E.", but it wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to himself as "Elder Fullmer" in the first place. If he's sending an e-mail saying he's going to be gone for two years and unable to access the web, that means he hasn't started his mission yet, and he wouldn't be calling himself "Elder Fullmer" yet. Okay, I understand someone says this guy is a friend of his coworker and he was indeed a soon-to-be Mormon missionary, fine, but...did his first name, by any chance, start with E? Because that would still make a lot more sense than the "E." standing for Elder when Elder isn't abbreviated that way and he wouldn't be calling himself Elder yet anyway. In fact, the personal testimonial notwithstanding, this rings false for me on enough levels I'm going to have to vote '''Decline''' on this one unless some more direct evidence arises. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 16:07, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:gwr2004|gwr2004]] 11:15, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*Didn't someone say they actually knew E. Fullmer, who is indeed a mormon missionary? Wait... [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=7029&highlight=#7029 yes]. Of course, that may not necessarily mean anything, but I still say '''accept''' either way. - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
:I'm going to have to '''Accept'''. Because it's true! And 216.231.36.102, it's not terribly common for missionaries to sign things that way, but I think he did it so people could get the joke without being so blatant as to write out Elder. I do know that H*R is saturatingly popular at both USU and BYU, so there would be plenty of people to get the joke. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:16, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept'''. Click on the link above - this is a verified fact. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:23, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept''' -- I didn't know that. Definately an interesting tidbit and should be accepted as long as there is enough supporting evidence to merit the assumption. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' I think this should be reworded, because it has been verified. Something like "E. Fullmer is a Mormon missionary, which explains why he will be absent for the next two years," or something. [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
**'''Decline the above revise, accept the original''' The original is a plausible enough explanation, whether it's true or not (and a lot of fun facts are based on more sketchy information). However, I would decline the above revise because someone posting on a message board about 'the best friend of my coworker' is not the same as verification. I should know... my brother's boss's former roommate was the guy whose stomach exploded because he mixed Pop Rocks and Coke. --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 00:29, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====
According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

* '''Decline''' He could simply be there, or visiting. You don't have to belong to a country to visit it, or even to reside in it. (Jim Carrey wasnt amercan until recently but he lived there for years).--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*** Did now--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If that was the case, the sign would read "Population: Tire, Bundt Cake Pan, Coach Z, and Strong Sad." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:59, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**Like, totally '''Second''', dude! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Although I think this fact is wrong, I just want to point out that the population on the tire isn't entire accurate. Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat aren't listed, and we all know they're in there. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:44, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Might I quote the national anthem? "The people are so great, but really there's only me, and that means I'm so great, and also there's the Cheat." --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:54, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

====A grill, a doghouse, a trash can, an igloo and the TARDIS====
The spacious interior of The Cheat's house may be a reference to Snoopy's house from the Peanuts comics. It also looked small and ordinary on the outside, but was very large and luxurious on the inside, housing, among other things, his prized Van Gogh. It might also be a reference to Oscar the Grouch's trash can (from Sesame Street), which is also small on the outside, but contains a swimming pool and a number of other facilities within. It could also be a reference to the Nickelodeon show Doug, where his smart dog's (Porkchop) igloo is WAY roomier than it looked. Or even the TARDIS from Dr Who...

*'''Neutral''' I doubt its a reference to any those, but for some reason, I don't want to decline it. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:03, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak decline - needs severe rewrite''' This is actually a combination of several entries from that page that should have been combined in a single fact, so I did. The trouble is, there are way too many references noted here. The "roomier than it looks" gag isn't anything new, and severe rewrite on this is needed in order for this to be acceptable. At the very least, the Oscar and TARDIS references need to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 07:53, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Alls I know is that Snoopy's house was huge on the inside. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 09:00, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's a reference to this... and a reference to that... and a reference to this other thing... and a reference to something else... make up your mind! I hate "facts" like this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:05, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
**'''Comment.''' Actually you CAN see how far the Grabbo Arm goes off screen. just watch the .swf file. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:52, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally. This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste. These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]

==== Slippers ====
*Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Blade man ====
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Wizard of Oz ====
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless

==== Beat It ====
Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Alms for the pudgy, paintbrush ringing, and '''Accept''' the rest. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Big Time! But with edit: "The piano nightshirt Homestar wears is the same as Michael Jackson's in the "Beat It" music video." Not sure how you'd call this speculation - it's quite specific, and funny as hell, more so than Weird Al wearing it in "Eat It". And racerx, what exactly are you getting at here?--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 13:53, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)
** What racerx is getting at, BTW, is that User:24.21.86.243 added a whole bunch of Fun Facts under one heading and Declined them all with one comment. Someone later came in and split them, putting User:IP's Decline in all of them (which is why all of the Fun Facts near this one have the same Decline comment, even where inappropriate). Apparently, racerx responded to all of them but didn't get his response split in quite the way he'd intended (he meant to decline two of the facts and accept the rest) - and I'm surprised I'm just now noticing. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

I went ahead and added this, combined with the existing not-as-fun fact about the 'anatomically incorrect' keyboard. After finding and watching the video, this is even stronger evidence, as MJ's t-shirt is incorrect in exactly the same way. --[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:55, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd. Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes. Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important? Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left? He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon. It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it. Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction: I made a mistake. The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]] Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment:''' I don't think the Brothers Chaps know this. See [[crying]]. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:51, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* Decline Janik
*'''Decline''' There are people named ''State Troopers''. Sheesh, all of this rhyming stuff. Ok, Homestar Runner rhymes with Domepar Stunner. So it's a reference to that tv show? Come on, that kind of thing annoys me! [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 22:09, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===
====Sterrance====
Sterrance's feet look remarkably like the feet of Mickey Mouse

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Lappy Startup Screen ====
The Lappy's boot-up process-- including the sound, the icon, and the logo text-- is very reminiscent of that of [http://www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/macos/macos80/macos80/startupshutdown Mac OS 8].　--[[User:codeman38|codeman38]] 21:51, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks, this item had no clear consensus with 2 Decline votes, 2 Rewrite votes, and a Move vote. The discussion for this item is moved to the [[Talk:Lappy 486]] page --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Price is Right... Again ====
The way Strong Bad is describing Lappy could be a nod to the game show ''The Price Is Right''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a rewritten version of this item was Accepted by a very small margin. It appears in its rewritten form on the page for [[animal]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Weird laptop ====
After some measuring, I figured that the Lappy 486 has the aspect ratio of 1.67:1. A normal display would have the aspect ratio of 1.3:1 and a widescreen display has the aspect ratio of 1.85:1. So the Lappy must have a resolution of around 400x240. More or less. Was there such a display back then? (Yeah, I know this is suppose to be on the Lappy page, but I want to confirm this information and I didn't want to put it there until I made sure.)

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Lappy 486]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.
*'''Accepterific''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:07, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====
When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

*'''Accept''': Looks good to go
*Good to go my eye. '''Decline''', '''''unless''''' you can '''Revise''' this to mention what Atari game it is. You've got plenty of time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:22, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**[http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600 Use this.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:53, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Weak Decline''' -- Basically, this is the same sound made when you roll over the 'store' button on [[Main Page 13]], as well. Even so, there doesn't seem to be any indication in the wiki page for that what game (or games) this sound could have been taken from. Personally, it doesn't seem like something worth spending a whole lot of time on researching. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 01:45, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' If you don't remember which one it was, why make it a fun fact? →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I like that music, and it could be in a PBTC voice. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:46, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Der Klein''' Find out what the game is, and maybe this'll work. Until then, don't waste our time, especially if you only THINK it's a reference. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[virus]] ===
====Real virus?====
Since the curret Frequently Asked Questions page says every email but 'mile' is real, it's safe to assume someone actually tried to crash Compy 386 by sending a virus to Strong Bad.

*'''Decline''' I've got a real problem with this one. The e-mail could have just been corrupted or broken in transit, or, like 'fhqwhgads', it could have been someone just mashing on the keyboard. Also, since Compy 386 isn't actually a real computer, someone couldn't actually "crash" it by sending a virus to Strong Bad. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:20, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It's probably just a nonsense email they recieved like the Fhqwhgads. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:45, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' As written anyway. Revise as "someone tried to crash TBC's computer by sending a virus to strongbad@homestarrunner.com." At least, I *think* that's what he meant! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 25 Mar 2005
*'''Monkey D-Cline''' It's not safe to assume ANYthing, naive one. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:29, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinification.''' I think TBC did get the E-mail. But I think they just made that virus up for the strong bad e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:11, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== 3D Bubs legs (MODIFIED)====
When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "[[stunt double]]", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a modified version (omitting the third sentence) was Accepted - however, a mention of this particular item is already included in the transcript, so no additional mention in the "Fun Facts" section is necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:08, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Homsar's walking sound (MODIFIED)====
The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "[[for kids]]".

'''VERDICT:''' A modified version of this item (without the specific e-mail reference) has been added to the transcript after an overwhelming number of Modify votes. This item is closed. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:11, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Edgar's anachronism (REVISED)====
Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a revised version of this item was added to the Remarks section of [[virus]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== The Number 423,827 ====
I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of Strong Bad e-mails recieved to date <s>by the site</s> since SB got his Compy, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''Interesting''' Hmm... it could be posssible. I mean, thats less than 4000 emails a week, which isnt alot for popular websites. Is there anyway to confirm this? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''What?''' Where did this come from? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Is it not the number of Viruses that Edgarware.exe found? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 06:48, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Decline anyway''' Unless it gets re-used, I don't see how that matters. I mean, it was just an arbitrarily large number. Are people looking for the significance of the number 1,685,421 (other than Mitch Overlord being that number caller in best thing?) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:22, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** '''Second''' -- [[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 09:53, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''probably not''' TBC say they get more then 1,000 SBemails each day! So I don't think so. I could be true, though. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:15, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''on second thought...'''' It could be the number of e-mails TBC got since Strong Bad got his Compy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
***'''Whoops-erson...''' Thats what I ment it to be... I'l change it.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 16:32, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Quote of the Day (or so) ====
Shortly after the release of this e-mail the format of the Quote of the Week box was changed to include the character's image and transcription of the quote. However, this change was not copied for the fake box in this e-mail.
*'''Decline''' There, you just said it yourself. Shortly ''>>'''AFTER'''<<'' the release of this e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===
====Disney "Mickey" Logo====
All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Neutral.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold and Ghostbusters ====
Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Modify this item. The modified form of this item appears on the [[Shopping for Danger]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[montage]] ===
==== Pants ====
Homestar wears pants in the "Im The Best" Easter egg. This is possibly the first time Homestar wears pants.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was voted to be Accepted - however, the item was found to be factually inaccurate. A revision of the item, noting the exception, is currently on the [[montage]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[pizzaz]] ===
==== Biscuit Dough Hands Man (Revised) ====
Biscuit Dough Hands Man is the initial suspect for Strong Bad's crimes in "[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]", created by [[Bubs]] drawing [[The King of Town|the King of Town's]] description of Strong Bad. So (when the Strong Bad Interview-Type Progrum says he will interview Biscuit Dough Hands Man in the next show), technically Strong Bad will be interviewing "himself" again.

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and added to the [[pizzaz]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:36, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== car ===
==== "You ever see me in a car? No!" ====

Another subtle fun fact: At the end of the email, Strong Bad says, "You ever see me in a car? No!" Interestingly, he is seen in the Gremlin just a few emails later, in the Dangeresque 3 email.
*'''Revise, Move''' I think this belongs more in the Dangeresque 3 email fun facts. Also, get rid of the "Another subtle fun fact" bit. - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Decline.''' I'd actually put the Gremlin more into Bubs' possesion. He came up with it, so it just seems to work along those lines.
*'''Decline.''' As with the 'bigger wusses and lesser wimps' item up above, since when does Strong Bad always tell the truth? See [[stand-up]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' He could have also changed his mind about being seen in a car. Since this really doesn't contradict anything, it's not really worth noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:38, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Previously someone else said "Strong Bad tends to lie" or something like that. I've thought of that fact before....also the Gremin might not be his. Allow me to reason:
<pre>
stunt double had Dangereque 2
dangeresque 3 had Dangereque 1, with which car.
car had the "You ever see me in a car? No!" quote.

Allow me to put these in order:

dangereque 3(1)
car(quote)
stunt double(2)

First in Dangereque 2, he wasn't in a car.
but Dangereque 1, he was seen in a car.
Dangereque 1 was obviously made before
Dangereque 2, before "car".

This is too confusing, but I hope it gives you a better understanding of it.

</pre>

--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:55, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think what the above user is saying is that since Dangeresque 1 is a prequel to Dangeresque 2, and Dangeresque 2 was made before "car", that Strong Bad had been in a car before "car" was made. However, I think there is evidence in the "dangeresque 3" e-mail that Dangeresque 1 was actually made after Dangeresque 2 (within the H*R universe). Note the sign at the beginning that says "Not in 3-D" and the fact that it is called "Dangeresque 1", not just "Dangeresque." Strong Bad probably realized there was no Dangeresque 1 and subsequently made one, excusing its appearance after Dangeresque 2 by saying it was the limited edition director's cut. [[User:134.241.227.51|134.241.227.51]] 06:44, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

'''Comment.''' Now I get it: He says, "Do you ever '''see''' me in a car?" He said that because we didn't see Strong Bad in a car yet.--[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 04:59, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
He must be s

=== [[lackey]]===

==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I know the current is going towards a lot of declines, but this is one I have to '''ACCEPT.''' I actually think this fact is a decent one. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:37, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' I just realized the problem with this item: there isn't really a discrepancy here. Lackey is #96 while Montage is #117, so it's possible that The Cheat could have become unemployed (as a lackey) between then and...then. We're not told about anything regarding The Cheat's job status in the meantime, so this isn't really that notable. (And my comments above about the montage not being canon still stand.) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Not necessarily. I am sure that if Strong Bad did lose his The Cheat, we would have heard about it. I'm sure The Cheat is more valueable to him than his Compy, but look at how much he freaked out when it was shotgun'd, If he lost The Cheat he would probably be depressed for a few weeks. Also, in extra plug, The Cheat still stands by, wating for his orders (to plug in the shoes) which would indicate he is still a valueable lackey to SB. And I realise that he "created a montage", and the results dont have to be completely true. However, there is nothing indicating that it is UNtrue either.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===

==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

*'''Rewrite'''- Too long and confusing --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:48, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ...though I almost voted Decline. The reference is a decent one. Perhaps something as simple as:
The 1936 Strong Bad, Strong Man, and The Sneak stealing the parsnips
in the wheelbarrow is reminiscent of the scene in The Reddest Radish
where their 21st-century counterparts steal Marzipan's radish.
::The mention of the speculation is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
=== [[Strong Sad's Lament]] ===

==== Meh ====

"meh" is one of Strong Sad's emotions, and it also is frequently said by The Cheat.

*'''Decline.''' It's to obvious, It's like saying Homestar's speech impediment. Meh is also an emotion meaning normal, not happy, not sad, just...meh. - [[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:14, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

===Strong Bad's Lament?===
History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

*'''Decline.''' If that was true, Strong Bad would more likely write "HJLWHOUISNASNKL?A STUPID!! GUY I AM A STUPID GUY!! HA HA HA!!!!GUIS kljIUS SJ". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:16, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*That was one incident! You can't say that Strong Bad would write like that all the time. And you can't honestly say that sounds like Strong Sad. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:39, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Revise, Accept''' Too much speculation as written, but I must admit that it DOES look a bit more like SB's handiwork than SS's. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:17, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I'm not seeing Strong Bad listening to a live David Bowie track... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**And doubt Strong Bad could draw that good. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:42, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** We ARE talking about the same Strong Bad, right...?

==Games==

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Control Scheme====
The poor control scheme (a to jump, s to fire) may be another Mega Man reference, this time to the Mega Man Anniversary Collection which included Mega Man 1-8. On the Gamecube version, the controls for fire and jump were also messed up. (a to fire, b to jump) This eventually ended up with many frusterated gamers who intented to jump over a bottomless pit, but instead fired their plasma buster instead.
*'''Decline'''. This has got to be a joke. Poor control scheme? Tons of computer games use cursor keys as directions and a and s as action buttons. Also it is not uncommon to see the action buttons in the same order, with jump on the left and attack on the right. Additionally, many gamers choose a and s as their main buttons when setting up games and emulators and have no joypad. I'm sorry for whoever got burned by Mega Man, but this really isn't the place for it. -[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 11:52, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:18, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline'''. The control scheme for Stinkoman 20X6. Whoever wrote this was probably mad at MMAC and just wanted to get it out of his system. I really don't see what the problem is. I have that game, and in a few minutes I was fully adapted to the weirdish control scheme, no problem. -[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. I, too, have that game, and it came almost second nature. It's not a "poor" control sceme. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''', mostly because it's irrelevant (although I DID hate that reversed control scheme in ''MMAC''...). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:39, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second and a comment'''. Hey, the Jump-with-B, Shoot-with-A scheme worked for Metroid Prime, why not MMAC? :P Hehe, oh well. :) -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:28, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' This is waaay too big of a stretch. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:26, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline w/Comment''' I've been playing MMAC on the Gamecube recently. The button layout is not that convoluted at all - once you get used to it, it's second-nature. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Ninja Gaiden Levels====
Level X.x is also a reference to the display of levels in Ninja Gaiden.
*'''Decline'''. The display of levels within Ninja Gaiden used a dash rather than a period and sub-level notation has been used in a number of different games. Had each level been called an "Act" as in Ninja Gaiden, you'd be onto something. --[[User:MZilla|MZilla]] 23:38, 22 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Sub-level notation was used as early as Super Mario 1... And even with "Act" it still wouldn't have just been Ninja Gaiden... Sonic had that too. -[[User:JakeARoonie|JakeARoonie]] 16:30, 02 Apr 2005 (CST)
*Uh, no it's not. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:27, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stoves====
Planet K is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.

*'''Decline'''To quote geoguy: What's the big deal? I feel that Homestar Runner's world is on a different plane of reality. It obviouslty is, but in saying on the official Wiki page that gas stoves are supposed to be obsolete by 20X6? What is 20X6? 2016? Gas is most likely to run out in 2025 in OUR world. In Homestar's world, there may be abundant reserves of oil. Have you ever seen anyone drive a car(for real) in Free Country, USA? They may well use mainly solar power. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline''' This is quite presumptuous - how do we know that gas stoves would have become osbolete? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' maybe 20x6 is 2006... ever thought of that, smart guy? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:32, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog
*'''Weak Accept''' It doesn't seem worth pointing out, really, but I guess it's interesting. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It is now noted in the Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:58, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Stone Fist====
When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!

*'''Decline'''Same as the "More Levels" fun fact listed above. Obvious and not noteworthy as a fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Same as my comment above - since the game has no Transcript, it's useful as a fact. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. This doesn't show that there will be new levels. That's what the screen AFTER the cutscene's for. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:41, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' [[User:http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*I'm wearing clothes, does that mean for sure I'm going out? '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Now noted in the walkthrough transcript --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:43, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Engrish====
The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.

*'''Decline'''There is absolutely no need to point this out. Yet another fun fact that's too obvious. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I do agree that is kind of obvious, but this does constitute a valid reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''; noted at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:43, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Zero Wing is far from the first instance of Engrish. Come on. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Brody====
Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.

*'''Decline'''Aside from Brody's legs and coloring, this isn't true. And the legs and coloring don't hold much water on their own, seeing as how: A. Birds' legs look something like that and are often illustrated that way. B. Every other chicken in Level 2 is colored yellow, and chickens are often illustrated to be yellow anyway. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:35, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Tampo====
The name Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.

*'''Decline'''This is very doubtful. Tempura is a big stretch, sure the manual says Tampo is as mean as he is delicious, but that hardly connects Tampo and tempura. And ''tempo''?? Tampo has nothing to do with tempo or even anything musical. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
** '''Comment''' Well, it IS a Mega Man parody, and many Mega Man characters are named for musical terms (Rock & Roll, Blues [in Japan], Bass, Treble, Forte [in Japan], Gospel [in Japan], Rush, Tango, Beat, Punk, Enka/Enker, Quint, Ballad(e), Duo... and I'm probably forgetting a few.) Of course, that doesn't automatically mean that Tampo was named for the term "tempo" - it probably wasn't - but it's not outside the realm of possibility. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Decline''' The creators of Megaman had music in mind when they made the character. They said so. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:03, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Big stretch in both cases. And a '''Comment''' to [[User:Ogog|Ogog]], make sure that your comments are bulleted and that you show your vote as Accept or Decline. Also, make sure you remove the STUFF'd item when you put it on this page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Er, the vote, that is. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:44, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===

====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' In an interview with one of the Brothers Chaps, he says that the Bronco Trolley was something he saw in a dream.
**Please sign your vote. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== General ==

=== Cross-Toon Facts ===

==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.
* '''Decline every last case''' Not necessary; the parents of various characters are referred to multiple times (the Bros. Strong, Pom-Pom, and even Marzipan (even though the last one was later changed.)) Similarly, any instance of "This is the first time Strong Sad has smiled/laughed/burped/sighed/whatevered" is not only silly but, these days, wrong. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
* '''Revise, Accept.''' Just replace [insert scene here] with a description of the scene, and you're good to go.
** The point to this fact is that people have attempted to add it to MANY emails under MANY circumstances (and some incorrectly labelled it "the first" instead of "one of the few".) Notice that this is under "Cross-Toon Facts". --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' The phrase "one of the few" should automatically disqualify this from being accepted. Fun facts should tell something unique or noteworthy about the toon in question - if you have to rattle off a list of other toons where the same thing happened (except in extreme cases where a reference to a previous e-mail/toon is explicit), then it shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:53, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

brianrietta

Clever Ben — Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:39:26 GMT

Clever Ben: STUFF'd

[[Image:sbemail8.PNG|thumb|Brian's love letter]]

'''Strong Bad Email #8'''

Strong Bad gets hit on, and it's not quite what he expected.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]

'''Date:''' January 10, 2002

'''Duration:''' 0:51

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' I remember the time when I checked my email.

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
Every time I watch a cartoon with you in it,
I can't help but realize how incredibly gorgeous
you are. I love the way you walk around without
your shirt on so confidently. Anyways, I
was wondering if you would like to go
out sometime. Give me a call, Pom-
Pom has my number.

Hopefully yours,
Brian</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing, speaking suavely}'' Well, Brian, maybe you and I could... ''{stops typing, becomes shocked/angry}'' hey... BRIAN!? What the crap? ''{typing}'' Look, man. Unless Brian is short for... Brianrietta or Brian-Sue or something like that it's just not gonna work out between you and me, okay? - Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams, - Strong Bad ''{stops typing}'' Okay, so until next week... 1, 2, 3, email me! 1, 2, 4, email me more!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*This is the first email to use a new typing sound effect—without the buzz.
*This is also the first e-mail that uses Strong Bad's current voice (he no longer has that weird accent)
*This is one of the very few emails where Strong Bad actually signs his name at the end.
*This is the first Strong Bad Email using [[The Brothers Chaps]]' current style of animation, where his head, rather than his mouth, moves. This, apparently, is a much harder sort of animation. Also, note the highlights on Strong Bad's eyes.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail8.html watch "brianrietta"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail8.swf view the Flash file for "brianrietta"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

[[Category:Tandy 400 Emails]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]]

On Point Kings

Clever Ben — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:06:14 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Possible Reference

[[Image:onpointkings.png|thumb|right|220px|The On Point Kings rule behind Bubs's place.]]
'''The On Point Kings''' are a gang consisting of [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]], and [[The Cheat]]. Their hideout is located behind [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]. The gang was created when [[The Stick]] was temporarily unpopular. On Strong Mad's suggestion, the On Point Kings stole [[The King of Town]]'s dunce hat and renamed it "Lotionman." They're all about taking no guff. They might be a reference to the Latin Kings, a Hispanic gang in Atlanta.
{{stub}}
[[Category: Organizations]]

Halloween Costumes

Clever Ben — Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:58:58 GMT

Clever Ben: It's his actual head, not a mask

Each year, the Halloween Cartoons feature the characters dressed in different costumes, usually of pop icons and celebrities.

The costumes are generally "vintage," in that they feature characters who were either popular in the 80's and 90's, or just plain obscure, although it is uncertain if this is simply a style choice, or done deliberately to give the cartoons a more "timeless" feel.

== [[Homestarloween Party]] (2000) ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Character !! Costume !! Explanation !! Sources
|-
| [[Image:Homestar_KurtCobain.PNG|150px|Homestar As Kurt Cobain]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || Kurt Cobain ||Kurt Cobain was the lead singer of the band [[Wikipedia:Nirvana (band)|Nirvana]]. Nirvana was one of the first grunge bands to achieve mainstream sucess. He killed himself on April 5, 1994, though some believe he was actually murdered by his wife Courtney Love. The shirt Homestar wears says "Corporate Rock Still Sucks", the motto of [[Wikipedia:SST Records|SST Records]], a favorite label of Cobain's. He famously wore a T-shirt parodying the motto on a Rolling Stone cover.|| [[Wikipedia:Kurt Cobain|Wikipedia Article]], [http://i.rollingstone.com/assets/rs/110/76/images/23060_lg.jpg Rolling Stone Cover]
|-
| [[Image:Strongsad_Gorbachev.PNG|150px|Strong Sad As Gorbachev]] || [[Strong Sad]] || Mikhail Gorbachev || Mikhail Gorbachev (born March 2, 1931), was leader of the Soviet Union from 1985 until 1991. His attempts at reform led to the end of the Cold War, but also inadvertently caused the end of the political supremacy of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (CPSU) and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. On a less political note, he had a signature birthmark on his head, which is in the wrong place on Strong Sad. || [[Wikipedia:Gorbachev|Wikipedia Article]]
|-
| [[Image:KingofTown_CaptinCrunch.PNG|150px|The King of Town As Cap'n Crunch]] || [[The King of Town]] || Cap'n Crunch || Cap'n Crunch is the mascot for the cereal bearing his name. || [http://www.capncrunch.com Cap'n Crunch.com]
|-
| [[Image:Marzipan_Jeanie.PNG|150px|Marzipan As Jeanie]] || [[Marzipan]] || Jeannie || ''I Dream of Jeannie'' was a sitcom that aired for five years beginning in 1965. Barbara Eden played "Jeannie" and at the time her costume was nearly censored for revealing too much skin. According to the television show, she was more than two thousand years old, from ancient Babylon, and she could materialize objects or control any situation with the blink of an eye. Overly eager to please her master, Jeannie constantly got him into improbable dilemas and humorous situations.|| [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058815/ IMDb.com Page for "I Dream of Jeannie"]
|-
| [[Image:PomPom_StayPuft.PNG|150px|Pom Pom As Stay-Puft]] || [[Pom Pom]] || Stay-Puft ||The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man was the mascot for "Stay-Puft" Marshamallows in the 1984 film [http://imdb.com/title/tt0087332/ Ghostbusters]. The demon, Gozer, took his form to destroy the Ghostbusters after Ray inadvertantly thought of it when attempting to clear his mind.|| [http://imdb.com/title/tt0087332/ IMDb.com Page for Ghostbusters]
|-
| [[Image:CoachZ_FlavorFlav.PNG|150px|Coach Z As Flavor Flav]] || [[Coach Z]] || Flavor Flav ||Flavor Flav is a rap artist and a member of the rap group "[[Wikipedia:Public Enemy|Public Enemy]]". || [[Wikipedia:Flavor Flav|Wikipedia Article]]
|-
| [[Image:Bubs_Rerun.PNG|150px|Bubs As Rerun]] || [[Bubs]] || Rerun || Freddy "Rerun" Stabbs was a character on the show ''What's Happening!!'' It was an American sitcom that ran from 1976 to 1979. It dealt with the antics of three African-American teens living in Los Angeles. || [[Wikipedia:What's_Happening!!|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Poopsmith_Tron.PNG|150px|The Poopsmith As Tron]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || Tron || Tron was a character in the 1982 film [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/ Tron], in which a hacker was abducted into a computer world. It also has a video game sequel, Tron 2.0. || [[Wikipedia:Tron|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:TheCheat_Garfield.PNG|150px|The Cheat As Garfield]] || [[The Cheat]] || Garfield ||Garfield is a popular comic strip and television show by Jim Davis, recently made into a movie, about a lazy cat that loves to eat lasagna, lie around the house, and take naps. Next to the Cheat is Garfield's teddy bear, Pooky. || [[Wikipedia:Garfield|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Strongmad SlimGoodbody.PNG|150px|Strong Mad As Slim Goodbody]] || [[Strong Mad]] || Slim Goodbody ||Slim Goodbody is a fictional character created and performed by John Burstein. Slim is a human adult who wears a flesh-colored body suit with various tissues, organs, and organ systems painted on it.|| [[Wikipedia:Slim Goodbody|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Strongbad_CarmenMiranda.PNG|150px|Strong Bad As Carmen Miranda]] || [[Strong Bad]] || Carmen Miranda ||Carmen Miranda was a Brazilian singer-actress who died in 1955. || [[Wikipedia:Carmen Miranda|Wikipedia Article]]
|}

== [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] (2001) ==

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| [[Image:Poopsmith_LazerTag.PNG|150px|The Poopsmith As Lazer Tag]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || Lazer Tag || Lazer Tag was created in 1986 by the 'Worlds of Wonder' company. Using Lazer Tag equipment, players could shoot sensors worn by other players to "tag" them. Worlds of Wonder ceased production of Lazer Tag equipment when it went out of business in either 1987 or 1988. However, the term "laser tag" remains to be used to describe many games of the same kind. || [http://www.adequate.com/LazerTag/FAQ/ LazerTag FAQ]
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| [[Image:KingofTown_Hagar.PNG|150px|The King of Town As Hagar the Horrible]] || [[The King of Town]] || Hagar the Horrible || ''Hägar the Hørrible'' is the title and the name of the main character of a syndicated comic strip, created in 1973 by Dik Browne. Hägar is a Viking warrior who regularly goes off to invade England and humorously interacts with the his crew and family. Hagar is known for his incredible appetite, much like the KOT. || [[Wikipedia:Hagar the Horrible|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:StrongMad_TheFridge.PNG|150px|Strong Mad As The Fridge]] || [[Strong Mad]] || The Fridge || William "Refrigerator" Perry was a football player for the Chicago Bears. He became famous for his excellent work as a defensive lineman, although occasionally lined up as fullback, and was known to plow the ball in on the goal line. He was nicknamed "The Fridge" because he was rumored to weigh as much as a refrigerator. Another rumor is that he was nicknamed this because of his ability to empty out a refrigerator after seeing one. || [[Wikipedia:William Perry (football)|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:CoachZ_HumptyHump.PNG|150px|Coach Z As Humpty Hump]] || [[Coach Z]] || Humpty Hump || Eddie Humphrey a.k.a "Humpty Hump" a.k.a "Gregory Jacobs" a.k.a. "Shock-G" was a member of the hip hop group Digital Underground. The group was known for outrageous costumes and live shows, its music's humorous tone, and an endless parade of identities from Humphrey. || [[Wikipedia:Digital Underground|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:PomPom_MichaelMoore.PNG|150px|Pom Pom As Michael Moore]] || [[Pom Pom]] || Michael Moore || Michael Moore is an American documentary film director and author known for his advocacy of his political views which are often laced with satire and humor. He has directed two exceedingly controversial movies; ''Bowling for Columbine'' and ''Fahrenheit 9/11'', although neither of these movies had been released when this cartoon came out. He was best known at the time for his 1989 movie ''Roger and Me,'' and his first book ''Downsize This.'' || [[Wikipedia:Michael Moore|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Bubs_MarsBlackman.PNG|150px|Bubs As Mars Blackmon]] || [[Bubs]] || Mars Blackmon || Mars Blackmon (misspelled as "Mars Blackman" on the toon) was a character played by Spike Lee in ''She's Gotta Have It''. || [http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0091939/ She's Gotta Have It at Imdb]
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| [[Image:StrongBad_CarmenSanDiego.PNG|150px|Strong Bad As Carmen Sandiego]] || [[Strong Bad]] || Carmen Sandiego || Carmen Sandiego (misspelled as "Carmen San Diego" on the toon) was originally conceived in 1983 by a group of software designers at Broderbund Software. To inspire kids to learn geography, the creators wanted a female "heroine" (a criminal genius/thief) whose name sounded exotic but was unmistakably simple to pronounce. The name "Carmen Sandiego" is somewhat of a play on Indiana Jones. The first software game, "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?," was released in 1985. It was also made into several gameshows for kids, including "Where in the World" and "Where in Time" is Carmen Sandiego.|| [[Wikipedia:Carmen_Sandiego|Wikipedia Article]].
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| [[Image:TheCheat_Punchy.PNG|150px|The Cheat As Punchy]] || [[The Cheat]] || Punchy || Punchy, also known as The Hawaiian Punch Guy, is the cartoon mascot of fruit drink Hawaiian Punch. His long-time catch-phrase was "Hey, how about a nice Hawaiian Punch?" || [[wikipedia:Punchy|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Homestar_GreatHero.PNG|150px|Homestar Runner As The Greatest American Hero]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || The Greatest American Hero ||The Greatest American Hero is an American television series which aired from 1981 to 1983 on ABC. It starred William Katt as Ralph Hinkley, Robert Culp as Bill Maxwell, and Connie Selleca as Pam Davidson. In it, a man encounters aliens who give him a bright red suit, which gives him super powers. || [[Wikipedia:Greatest_American_Hero|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Homsar_Wimpy.PNG|150px|Homsar As Wimpy]] || [[Homsar]] || Wimpy || J. Wellington Wimpy, often shortened to just Wimpy, joined the Popeye comic strip in 1931. He enjoyed hamburgers, and played a significant role in popularizing the hamburger in the United States. || [[Wikipedia:J. Wellington Wimpy|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:Marzipan_JoeyRamone.PNG|150px|Marzipan As Joey Ramone]] || [[Marzipan]] || Joey Ramone ||Jeffrey Hyman (May 19, 1951 (although he often insisted it was 1952)–April 15, 2001) and better known as Joey Ramone, was the vocalist for the legendary punk rock group The Ramones. With fellow band-mate Johnny Ramone, they were the only two who stayed with the band until retirement. Joey Ramone died in his sleep after a five-year battle with prostate cancer... He will be sorely missed. || [[wikipedia:Joey_Ramone|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:StrongSad_AndyWarhol.PNG|150px|Strong Sad As Andy Warhol]] || [[Strong Sad]] || Andy Warhol || Andy Warhol (August 6, 1928–February 22, 1987) was an American painter and major figure in the pop art movement. One of his famous paintings was the Campbell's Soup can. || [[wikipedia:Andy_Warhol|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:knight_idaho.PNG|150px|The Knight As Idaho]] || [[The Knight]] || "Idaho" || The Knight's costume refers to a Simpsons episode called "$pringfield (Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Legalized Gambling)", where Ralph Wiggum wears the exact same thing as a pageant for the United States. || [http://www.snpp.com/guides/ralph.file.html The Simpsons Archive: The Ralph Wiggum File]
|}

== [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] (2002) ==
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| [[Image:PomPom_KoolAid.PNG|150px|Pom Pom As The Kool-Aid Man]] || [[Pom Pom]] || The Kool-Aid Man || The KOOL-AID Man, originally known as the 'Pitcher Man,' first crashed through a wall and into the advertising scene in 1975. Marvel Comics published about a half a dozen Kool-Aid Comics in the 80's. In 1983, there were video games for the Atari 2600 Video Computer System and Intellivision available titled after this mascot of [http://www.kool-aid.com Kool-Aid]. || [http://www.faqs.org/faqs/food/kool-aid-faq/ Kool-Aid FAQ]
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| [[Image:Strongsad_Vyvyan.PNG|150px|Strong Sad As Vyvyan]] || [[Strong Sad]] || Vyvyan || Vyvyan was a red-haired punk who made his first entrance on the show [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083505/ The Young Ones] in 1982 by crashing through a kitchen wall. He sported metal studs in his forehead and chopped his own fingers off to relieve boredom. No one epitomized punk's iconoclastic whimsy, its anarchic glee, like Vyvyan. || [http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/tv/97/11/VYVYAN.html The Boston Phoenix]
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| [[Image:Bubs_CaptainLou.PNG|150px|Bubs As Captain Lou Albano]] || [[Bubs]] || Captain Lou Albano || Captain Lou Albano was one of the most successful managers in the history of professional wrestling. He initially managed a [[Wikipedia:World_Wrestling_Federation|WWF]] Tag Team in the 1940s. He also starred as Mario in the 1989 kids' show ''The Super Mario Bros. Super Show'', which relates to the King of Town's costume. || [[Wikipedia:List_of_professional_wrestlers|Wikipedia List]]
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| [[Image:CoachZ_Kid.PNG|150px|Coach Z As Kid]] || [[Coach Z]] || Kid || Christopher "Kid" Reid was a member of the late 80s hiphop duo Kid-n-Play, who were one of the first rap groups to become kid-friendly. They had a Saturday morning cartoon show and starred in the ''House Party'' series of movies. || [http://imdb.com/name/nm0717212/ IMDB listing]
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| [[Image:KingofTown_Mario.PNG|150px|The King of Town As Mario]] || [[The King of Town]] || Mario || Mario, also known as Super Mario, is a video game character created by Shigeru Miyamoto for Nintendo, named after the Italian landlord, Mario Segali, at Nintendo of America. He is one of Nintendo's best-known characters and considered by many to be the biggest video game character in history, appearing in literally hundreds of games, many of them bestsellers. || [[Wikipedia:Mario|Wikipedia Article]]
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| [[Image:StrongMad_AGhost.PNG|150px|Strong Mad As A Ghost]] || [[Strong Mad]] || A Ghost || A classic, yet rarely used, halloween costume, the white sheet with eye holes cut out of it is the ultimate in quickie costumes. ||
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| [[Image:Homsar_GhostDog.PNG|150px|Homsar As Ghost Dog]] || [[Homsar]] || Ghost Dog || Ghost Dog is the main character in the 1999 movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165798/ Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai]. He is an African-American hit man who models himself after the ideal Japanese [[Wikipedia:samurai|samurai]]. Ghost Dog is played by Forest Whitaker in the movie. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165798/ IMDB Listing]
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| [[Image:Poopsmith_Sleestak.PNG|150px|The Poopsmith As A Sleestak]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || A Sleestak || The Sleestaks were tireless hordes of evil creatures who constantly wreaked havoc on a family from the future. They were featured on the TV series that ran from 1974 to 1977 called [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071005 The Land of the Lost.] || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071005 IMDb page for "The Land of the Lost"]
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| [[Image:Marzipan_Lopes.PNG|150px|Marzipan As Left Eye Lopes]] || [[Marzipan]] || Left Eye Lopes || Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes was a member of the Atlanta-based R&B music group 'TLC'. Lopes was also a self-taught keyboardist for the group. Lopes participated in the recording of CrazySexyCool, TLC's breakthrough release in 1994. She died in a car crash in Honduras in April 2002, six months prior the release of Pumpkin Carve-nival. || [[Wikipedia:Lisa Lopes|Wikipedia article]]
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| [[Image:Goblin_StrongBad_TheBee.PNG|150px|The Goblin As Strong Bad As The Bee]] || [[The Goblin]] || Strong Bad As The Bee || When it was revealed that Homestar was actually Strong Bad in a costume, "Strong Bad" was found to actually be the Goblin in a Strong Bad costume. That he is dressed as "The Bee" is likely a reference to the Simpson's "The Bumblebee Guy", used as a generic Spanish-language TV character, because of Strong Bad's Mexican wrestling mask-like head and accent, despite The Goblin As Strong Bad’s claim that he is "the bee... from nature." || [http://www.snpp.com/guides/chespirito.html The Simpsons Archive]
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| [[Image:Homestar_AngusYoung.PNG|150px|Homestar As Angus Young]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || Angus Young || Angus Young is perhaps one of the world’s most underrated guitarists whose style is frequently imitated, but never duplicated. Since 1973, Young has been the lead guitarist with the legendary rockers of the band AC/DC. || [http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2001/jan24a.html Gibson Press Release]
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| [[Image:TheCheat_Russell.PNG|150px|The Cheat As Russell]] || [[The Cheat]] || Russell || From Fat Albert's gang of junkyard kids || [http://www.tvparty.com/satfat/russell.html TVparty character sheet]
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| [[Image:StrongBad_Homestar_AngusYoung.PNG|150px|Strong Bad As Homestar As Angus Young]] || [[Strong Bad]] || Homestar As Angus Young || See Homestar's costume for information on Angus Young; Strong Bad wore this costume as part of an elaborate prank on the others. ||
|}

== [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]] (2003) ==

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| [[Image:StrongMad_Magnum.PNG|150px|Strong Mad As Magnum P.I.]] || [[Strong Mad]] || Magnum P.I. || Magnum, PI was the title character of a television show starring Tom Selleck that ran from 1980–1988. It followed the adventures of Thomas Magnum III, a private detective working in Hawaii. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080240/ IMDb article]
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| [[Image:TheCheat_Izzy.PNG|150px|The Cheat As Izzy]] || [[The Cheat]] || Izzy || Izzy was the mascot of the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta. His story is that he is a creature called a Whatizit who lives inside the Olympic Flame. He is probably the least popular of all Olympic mascots. || [http://www.moerk.org/izzy/ An Izzy fan page]
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| [[Image:Bubs_Mel.PNG|150px|Bubs As Mel]] || [[Bubs]] || Mel || Melvin "Mel" Sharples was a manager of "Mel's Diner" in the 70's TV sitcom [[Wikipedia:Alice_television|"Alice"]]. His role was played by [[Wikipedia:Vic_Tayback|Vic Tayback]] from 1974 to 1985 where he constantly worked alongside fellow waitresses Flo(rence) "Kiss my grits" Castleberry and Vera Gorman for comedic purposes. || [http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0073955/ IMDb Page]
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| [[Image:PomPom_Kamala.PNG|150px|Pom Pom As Kamala the Ugandan Giant]] || [[Pom Pom]] || Kamala the Ugandan Giant || Kamala was a WWF Wrestler known for his wild and untamed style while he terrorized his opponents in and out of wrestling rings throughout the world. He was played by James Harris, whose wrestling career began in 1978 when he made his ring debut in Greenwood, Mississippi. He wrestled throughout the south under a variety of aliases, most notably as Sugar Bear Harris. In England during the 80's he was known as The Mississippi Mauler. || [http://www.midsouthwrestling.com/Kamala-1.html Mid South Wrestling]
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| [[Image:Marzipan_LogLady.PNG|150px|Marzipan As The Log Lady]] || [[Marzipan]] || The Log Lady || The Log Lady was a character on the 1990 TV series Twin Peaks. She was an eccentric recluse who carried a log around, which she believed spoke to her. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098936/ IMDb article on Twin Peaks]
|-
| [[Image:Poopsmith_MBison.PNG|150px|The Poopsmith As M. Bison]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || M. Bison || M. Bison is a character in the popular Capcom video game series Street Fighter. He is known as "Vega" in the Japanese version of the games—the American translation mixed the names of several "boss" characters in Street Fighter II. ||
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| [[Image:KingofTown_Hamburglar.PNG|150px|The King of Town As The Hamburglar]] || [[The King of Town]] || Hamburglar || Hamburglar is one of the mascots for the McDonald's chain of restaurants. He always tries to steal Ronald McDonald's hamburgers and his catchphrase is "robble robble". A fitting costume for the King of Town if ever there was one. ||
|-
| [[Image:Homestar_JohnMcEnroe.PNG|150px|Homestar Runner As John McEnroe]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || John McEnroe || He was a professional tennis player and was U.S. Open singles champion in 1979, 1980, 1981, and 1984. In 1992, he became the oldest men's player ever to win a Grand Slam title of any kind when he captured the Wimbledon men's doubles championship. He is widely known for throwing his racket in a fit of anger, and he is the brother of Patrick McEnroe, also a former professional tennis player. Like John, he has now become a tennis commentator. || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0568501/ IMDb page for John McEnroe]
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| [[Image:StrongBad_Ozone.PNG|150px|Strong Bad As Ozone]] || [[Strong Bad]] || Ozone || From the unforgettable movies "Breakin'" and "Breakin' 2 — Electric Boogaloo", as played by Adolfo "Shabba-Doo" Quinones. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086998/ IMDb page for "Breakin'"]
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| [[Image:CoachZ_KoolMoeDee.PNG|150px|Coach Z As Kool Moe Dee]] || [[Coach Z]] || Kool Moe Dee || Kool Moe Dee or 'Mohandas Dewese' was a member of one of the pioneering old school hip hop groups of all time, The Treacherous Three, from the late 1970s to mid 1980s. This influential 'old-school rapper' had his first album in 1986. He has not released an album since 1994's "Interlude". || [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0465538/ IMDb page for Kool Moe Dee]
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| [[Image:StrongSad_DavidByrne.PNG|150px|Strong Sad As David Byrne]] || [[Strong Sad]] || David Byrne || David Byrne rose to prominance as lead singer of the band Talking Heads. Beginning as part of the punk/new wave movement of the late 70s, the band were quickly distinguished for their experimental lyrical and instrumental style and the nervous energy of Byrne's vocals. He records today as a solo artist. || [[Wikipedia:David Byrne (musician)|Wikipedia page for David Byrne]]
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| [[Image:Homsar_Slash.PNG|150px|Homsar As Slash]] || [[Homsar]] || Slash || Slash was a lead guitarist with hard rockers Guns 'n' Roses until forming his own band in 1996, and later joining the band Velvet Revolver. His bizarre appearance and guitar skills are well known. || [[Wikipedia:Slash (musician)|Wikipedia page for Slash]]
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| [[Image:Stinkoman_SpeedRacer.PNG|150px|Stinkoman As Speed Racer]] || [[Stinkoman]] || Speed Racer || Speed Racer is the title character in the classic anime Speed Racer, or ''Mach Go Go Go'' in Japan. Speed Racer, or Gō Mifune, is a young stock car racer who strives to win in the cutthroat world of racing. It was one of the first animes to be imported and dubbed, giving many people their first taste of Japanese animation. || [[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Wikipedia article]]
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| [[Image:TheGoblin_Santaman.PNG|150px|The Goblin As Santaman]] || [[The Goblin]] || Santa Claus/Santaman || The Goblin shows up in most Halloween toons, in this instance he is dressed up as Santa Claus, or according to Homestar, a [[Santaman]]. The Santaman has also popped up in [[Decemberween In July]]. ||
|}

== [[Halloween Fairstival]] (2004) ==

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| [[Image:Poopsmith_LionO.PNG|150px|The Poopsmith As Lion-O]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || Lion-O || Lion-O is a character in the cartoon ThunderCats. He is the leader of the ThunderCats, who came from Thundera to Third Earth.|| [[Wikipedia:ThunderCats|Wikipedia article]]
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| [[Image:StrongMad_BenWallace.PNG|150px|Strong Mad As Ben Wallace]] || [[Strong Mad]] || Ben Wallace || Ben Wallace is a professional basketball player that began his career with the Washington Bullets in 1996. He is one of four players in the history of the [[Wikipedia:NBA|National Basketball Assocation]] to lead the league in rebounds and blocks during the same season. He currently plays for the World Champion Detriot Pistons at Forward-Center. || [http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_wallace/bio.html NBA.com: Ben Wallace Bio]
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| [[Image:StrongSad_DavidBowie.PNG|150px|Strong Sad As David Bowie]] || [[Strong Sad]] || David Bowie || David Bowie is a British rock and roll musician, actor, and artist who has had a profound influence on rock and roll from the 1960s to the present. In the 1980s, Bowie had great success in releasing his music and made an unabashed bid for commercial success. Strong Sad's costume was inspired by the cover of the 1973 Bowie album [[Wikipedia:Aladdin Sane|Aladdin Sane]]. || [[Wikipedia:David_Bowie | Wikipedia article]]
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| [[Image:KingofTown_MayorHalloween.PNG|150px|The King of Town As The Mayor of Halloweentown]] || [[The King of Town]] || The Mayor of Halloweentown || The Mayor of Halloweentown is a character in the animated movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107688/ The Nightmare Before Christmas], directed by [[Wikipedia:Tim Burton|Tim Burton]]. The movie is about the efforts of the citizens of Halloweentown (where Halloween is made) to make Christmas. Like the King of Town, the Mayor switches his face around depending on his mood. Glenn Shadix provided his voice. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107688/ IMDb listing]
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| [[Image:Bubs_5Important.PNG|150px|Bubs As One of the 3 Most Important People in the World]] || [[Bubs]] || One of the 3 Most Important People in the World || "The Three Most Important People in the World" are characters in the film [http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/ Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure]. Bubs is dressed as the Person played by Clarence Clemons, legendary saxophonist for [[Wikipedia:Bruce Springsteen|Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band]]. The other two Most Important People were played by Martha Davis of [[Wikipedia:The Motels|The Motels]] and Fee Waybill of [[Wikipedia:The Tubes|The Tubes]]. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096928/ IMDB listing for Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure]
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| [[Image:PomPom_BigBoy.PNG|150px|Pom Pom As The Big Boy]] || [[Pom Pom]] || The Big Boy || Big Boy is the mascot for the restaurant chain "Bob's Big Boy", or just "Big Boy". || [[Wikipedia:Bob's_Big_Boy | Wikipedia article]]
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| [[Image:CoachZ_Tupac.PNG|150px|Coach Z As Tupac]] || [[Coach Z]] || Tupac || Tupac Shakur, also known as Pac, 2Pac, and Makveli, was a best-selling rap artist. His first album, 2Pacalypse Now, was released in 1991. Near the end of his career and life, he was scandalously sentenced to jail for four and a half years for sexual abuse. He died in 1996 at the age of twenty-five. || [http://www.mtv.com/bands/az/2pac/artist.jhtml MTV listing]
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| [[Image:Homsar_Kumar.PNG|150px|Homsar As Kumar]] || [[Homsar]] || Kumar || Kumar is a character from Wes Anderson's Bottle Rocket, played by Kumar Pallana. || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115734/ Bottle Rocket IMDB listing]
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| [[Image:Homestar_CarlSpackler.PNG|150px|Homestar Runner As Carl Spackler]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || Carl Spackler || Carl is Bill Murray's groundskeeper character in Caddyshack. He hunts gophers.|| [http://imdb.com/title/tt0080487/ Caddyshack IMDB listing]
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| [[Image:StrongBad_Oscar_Joker.PNG|150px|Strong Bad As Cesar Romero As The Joker]] || [[Strong Bad]] || Cesar Romero As The Joker || Cesar Romero was a "classically handsome, debonair Latin Lothario of stage, film and television" for nearly seven decades. He is/was best know for playing the camp supervillain and star of the [[Wikipedia:Batman (TV series)|60's Batman television series]]. The prominent white mustache in Strong Bad's costume refers to the fact that Cesar Romero refused to shave off his mustache for the show, applying his make-up on top of it. || [http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/7537/joker.htm 1966 Batman TV Tribute Site]
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| [[Image:TheCheat_Sigmund.PNG|150px|The Cheat As Sigmund]] || [[The Cheat]] || Sigmund ||Sigmund of the popular early '70s children's TV show "Sigmund and the Sea Monsters." || [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069632/ Sigmund and the Sea Monsters IMDB listing]
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| [[Image:Marzipan_WillieNelson.PNG|150px|Marzipan As Willie Nelson]] || [[Marzipan]] || Willie Nelson|| Legendary country artist (and hippie) associated with the "[[Wikipedia:Outlaw country|outlaw country]]" movement of the 1970s and the [[Wikipedia:Farm Aid|Farm Aid]] project of 1985. ||
|}

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Talk:HomestarRunner.com: PAY PLUS!

Clever Ben — Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:40:16 GMT

Clever Ben: Fixed Signature

Now I have to pay to watch Homestar Runner? D*** you TBC, You smart devils you! --67.180.104.181 06:21, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:Uuuh, you do know this is an april fools joke? Or were you being sarcastic? --[[User:Ooy|Futuramaooy]] 07:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I didn't think that a PREMIUM Homestar Runner was possible. Unless TBC has been holding out on us... Why am I up so early? -- Vooki -- 05:00, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)

:The real April Fool's prank: this isn't a joke. This is the REAL THING, people! --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]] 10:14, 1 Apr '05

Great going building building that in such a hurry

:Same content! New yearly price! MORE BANNER ADS! How could we lose? I'm definitely subscribing! It's definitely worth it. I loved the seven second trial. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 15:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I looked at it, and thought "what the f-" until I realized it was an April Fool's Joke. I typed in the URL for the 1st main page, and got through and celebrated by watching SB Email #1. :P But anyway, The Chapman Brothers almost had me going! --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 16:51, 1 Apr 2005 (CST)

::I was looking forward to something interesting happening on H*R for April Fools Day all week, so I was prepared. :) --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

== Webcam Conversation ==

The Webcam Conversation with the creators/someone else reminds me of the interview TBC had on The Screensavers. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 01:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

== P2W ==

TBC could be looking to make money now because on one of their TSS's interviews they started being funny about trying to make money off the site now and how rich they are.

They DO make money off the site. What, do you think they just give away that merchandise? -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

== Background Tile? ==

Where in PAY PLUS is the background tile [http://www.homestarrunner.com/payplustile.jpg] used? It's obviously somewhere in PAY PLUS, but I can't find where it is in the toon/EXCITING SUBSCRIPTION OPPURTUNITY!/feature. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 22:56, 1 Apr 2005 (BST)

:I can't find it either. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 15:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
::From the page's source code:
<pre><BODY background="payplustile.jpg"></pre>
::That answer anything? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 20:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

Talk:HomestarRunner.com: PAY PLUS!

Clever Ben — Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:38:22 GMT

Clever Ben: Commented

Now I have to pay to watch Homestar Runner? D*** you TBC, You smart devils you! --67.180.104.181 06:21, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:Uuuh, you do know this is an april fools joke? Or were you being sarcastic? --[[User:Ooy|Futuramaooy]] 07:45, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I didn't think that a PREMIUM Homestar Runner was possible. Unless TBC has been holding out on us... Why am I up so early? -- Vooki -- 05:00, 1 Apr 2005 (EST)

:The real April Fool's prank: this isn't a joke. This is the REAL THING, people! --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]] 10:14, 1 Apr '05

Great going building building that in such a hurry

:Same content! New yearly price! MORE BANNER ADS! How could we lose? I'm definitely subscribing! It's definitely worth it. I loved the seven second trial. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 15:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I looked at it, and thought "what the f-" until I realized it was an April Fool's Joke. I typed in the URL for the 1st main page, and got through and celebrated by watching SB Email #1. :P But anyway, The Chapman Brothers almost had me going! --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 16:51, 1 Apr 2005 (CST)

::I was looking forward to something interesting happening on H*R for April Fools Day all week, so I was prepared. :) --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:24, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

== Webcam Conversation ==

The Webcam Conversation with the creators/someone else reminds me of the interview TBC had on The Screensavers. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 01:56, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

== P2W ==

TBC could be looking to make money now because on one of their TSS's interviews they started being funny about trying to make money off the site now and how rich they are.

They DO make money off the site. What, do you think they just give away that merchandise?
== Background Tile? ==

Where in PAY PLUS is the background tile [http://www.homestarrunner.com/payplustile.jpg] used? It's obviously somewhere in PAY PLUS, but I can't find where it is in the toon/EXCITING SUBSCRIPTION OPPURTUNITY!/feature. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 22:56, 1 Apr 2005 (BST)

:I can't find it either. -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 15:03, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
::From the page's source code:
<pre><BODY background="payplustile.jpg"></pre>
::That answer anything? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 20:05, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

Stinkoman 20X6

Clever Ben — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:55:46 GMT

Clever Ben: Reverted

[[Image:stinkogame.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All his movement are belong to you]].]]

''Blue hair, anyone? Stinkoman's always got fightings and challenges to keep him busy. Jump and shoot your way to all ends of Planet K. End Boss feature!!'' --[[Videlectrix]] description

'''Stinkoman 20X6'''
is a side-scrolling platformer game which stars [[Stinkoman]].

[[The Brothers Chaps]] showed it off at [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|their talk at NYU]] before it was released. This game seems to be based on the [[Wikipedia:Mega Man Classic|classic Capcom ''Mega Man'' series]]. It also parodies the poor "Japanese to English" translations (a.k.a. "[[Wikipedia:Engrish|Engrish]]") common to video games of that era, similar to those that appear on the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|current Games Menu]].

Below is the text that appears in the introduction sequence:
<pre>
On Planet K, Stinkoman is always
looking for a fighting or a challenge.
In 20X6, he can usually find one!
</pre>

== Stinkomanual ==
[[Image:stinkobox.png|thumb|Stinkoman 20X6 box art]]

STINKOMAN
20X6

Instruction
Stinkomanual Videlectrix

'''Welcome to Stinkoman GAME!'''
Stinkoman is trying very hard to win this exciting challenge! Only YOU can help him. Keep striving until you REACH YOUR GOALS or you'll be stuck with the same dead end friends you've had since HIGH SCHOOL. This game will prove a challenge...

''...but can you prove it back?!?!''

'''The Story'''
STINKOMAN and his pals 1-UP and PAN PAN live on Planet K in the year 20X6. This game is all about that. Don't expect any weepy princess crap, this is a STINKOMAN game! Or at least it was last time we checked! Maybe fighting? Maybe challenge?
THE CHOICE IS OURS!!

'''The Controls'''
This game keeps using ARROW KEYS to move Stinkoman around. It won't stop making him JUMP with the A key or SHOOT with the S key, either. You won't find this kind of quality in other countries!!

'''Level 1 - Go Home!'''

Stinkoman fighted a challenge and WINS! Help him get back home for some fave treats.

JARO - A bouncing cup, Jaro will hop around until he's punded you down!

GREGGO - This robot will become indestructible if you stare at him. Shoot, jive, GET OUTTA THE WAY!

POORU-POORU - This punk cucumber is no cactus! Land on one and it's DOINK for you!

CHORCH - A flying mecha with pinching fingers, Chorch will make you wish you were never even born!!

BROWNTANT - This little robot is no mecha. He'll shoot you down with his mecha antenna! Takes a lickin!

'''Boss 1 - TAMPO'''

Tampo is as mean as he is delicious! Stinkoman already beat Tampo before you started playing the game only now his brain has decided to get revenge! Dodge his attacks and shoot him or yo'll never amount to anything

''"I wish I still had a lungs!"
-Tampo '89''

'''Level 2 - Pick a Bone!'''

Stinkoman found a chicken bone in his dumpling soup. Battle throughout the kitchen for revenge!

TERRELL - A baby chick with no body? That's freaky. Blast em up Dan!

ROSE BLAKE - A 'Lectric burner with a taste for human flesh!

KOLKARYU - A UFO that zips in and is always shooting at you. I honestly don't think you can kill it.

GRUNDY - A jogging chicken? That has to be a bold faced lie.

LUNDSFORD - Natural gas is the name of the game when Lundsford is in town. Learn his habits, have him followed, hunt down his family.

STOBAT - The fattest chicken plays fly, hocking up old bones. Stay outta range and BLAMMO: Stobat tenders.

OLD SAGE - These are sharp tips! They'll kill ya dead! DEAD I SAY!

TORTAN - Tortan is a drippy bottle of poisonous Tortan. Don't drink! Is no good for you!

''"I am waiting a good while for you to help me win this game! What's the hold up? Help me out already!"
-Stinkoman''

'''Boss 2 - Brody'''

Brody is stompin' mad! Keep from squished, ya know? Shoot him in the eye when he tries to come in for the kill. You're not chicken, are you?

''"My feet are orange feet."
-BRODY, FL''

'''Level 3 - Up 'n Down'''

Stinkoman goes up, up, up and then down, down
down

CLOWDER - Steer clear of this crotchety old cloud. He won't die and doesn't say hello.

MR. UBBERS - A rain drop that releases golden nuggets when punched. Go for the GOLD!

'''Level 3 - Up 'n Down'''

Stinkoman loves BREAD, but boy does he hate SOAP, APPLES, EARS and P's.
Falling from the skies and bove.

1 BREAD results in 1 ITEM POINT! SOAP, APPLES, EARS, and P's result in minus 1 ITEM POINT!

EVASIVE ACTION!!

'''Boss 3 - Stlunko'''

Stlunko gonna pound you!! Shoot the wall on top of Stlunko's head to send him packing. His fists hurt you, but you can't hurt thems.

''"Stlunko need a reason to live"
-Stlunko, 404''

'''Giving Up Already?!'''

Stinkoman must be ashamed of you! Get back in the game and try out these rules and hints!!

*play the game every day, even after mom says no 
*new and exciting recipes 
*hold B 
*ask your parents 
*walk and talk 
*table the label! wear your own brand!

== Easter Eggs ==
[[Image:stinkogame slow.png|thumb|A "treat" for slow computers]]
* Hover your mouse below "Controls" on the main menu to access the Instruction Booklet.
* Wait long enough at the title screen to see an intro cinematic.
* Let Stinkoman stand still in the game for a few seconds and he'll start yawning.

== Fun Facts ==

=== Trivia ===
* This game is the first official mention of the 20X6 version of Homestar Runner's actual name, 1-Up.
* This is the first time we have seen Stinkoman's house, or any 20X6 character's house, for that matter.
* According to the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[time capsule]], it would seem that Planet K is Earth in the future.
* [[Planet K]] is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.
*This is also the first complete platform game that Videlectrix have ever made, as of course Jon Howe programmed it, while the Chaps were simply the graphics designers. ([[Super Kingio Brothers]] was meant as a joke and was impossible to play past the first enemy)

=== Remarks ===
* There is a hidden power crunch right before the end of the 1st level. Stand at the top of the triangular set of platforms and then jump up to a hidden platform and jump again.
* In the bottom right-hand corner of the PLAY GAME! screen it says "V1.X EPISODES 1-3", possibly hinting at a sequel, or, more likely, since the levels and game elements are stored in seperate files, an expansion.
* When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".
* When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!
* The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.
* This is the second instance of sprites modeled after 8-bit Megaman, the first instance being with Coach Z in [[Hip Hop Dance]].

=== Goofs ===

* To get power crunches that are hiding behind enemies without having to kill the enemy, run into the enemy with health to spare. You will take damage, grab the crunch and will be invincible long enough to escape unharmed.
* This game doesn't feature the regular links at the bottom of the screen to move to other parts of the website.
* The manual has Kolkaryu listed under level 2, but Kolkaryu already appears in level 1.
* Greggo will not stop or become indestructable unless you are parallel to him.
* Level 3 is called "Dumb Wall" on the level select screen, but it's called "Up 'n' Down" in the instruction manual.
* In Level 1 in the manual, the original version said "face treats" instead of "fave treats."

=== Glitches ===
* When the game was first released, you could skip (press space or click) the first part of the final movie (any part before the MORE LEVELS TO COME SCENE) to enter stage 3.4. It was the Stlunko Battle arena without Stlunko: a slightly elevated platform above the ground with two Pooru-Poorus on either side. You could continue traveling rightwards into a barren land before reaching an endless cliff.
**This glitch is now fixed. However, if you play the swf you can still play 3.4
* When you run right and jump, you will flip as if you were running left and jumping.
* If you fall long enough and don't touch anything, Stinkoman will stop doing his falling pose and act like he's standing and will even start to yawn. Such a long fall can be found in stage 2.2.
* You can float in mid-air on level 1.1 if a Browntant hits you while you’re falling against the gray pole close to the beginning.
* If you jump at the right time after killing a boss, you can do your victory pose in midair.
* If you die with only one life left after defeating a boss, the usual "die" sequence will happen, but then Stinkoman will do his victory dance with no ground beneath him and you will start the next stage with no lives, which will increase by one life and the "Game Over" screen will appear the next time he dies in the next stage.
* Sometimes you can start up a new game and it will be nothing but Stinkoman and the background. Since there's no ground, you can only fall and die. This may be linked to older versions of Flash.
** A possible reason that this happens is because earlier versions of Flash may not be able to read the levelData xml files. For more information on these files, please see the talk page.
*Not exactly a glitch, but when Stinkoman is about to yawn, his sprite character moves down one pixel.
*There is a spot in level 2.1 where you can fall between a refrigerator and an adjacent stove, and not be able to jump back up.
[[Image:stinkogame-level22-terrell-glitch.png|thumb|Stuck Terrell on level 2.2]]
*In the beginning of level 2.2, there's a Terrell just behind a refridgerator. It seems that it's possible for the Terrell to get "stuck" just to the right of the fridge. It will continue to hop up and down (without moving horizontally at all), and Stinkoman can pass through the Terrell without becoming injured. It also becomes impossible to kill. I've only been able to reproduce this behavior once, on version 1.3.
*In level 1.1, if you don't kill the Jaro by the first wall and instead just go past it and the wall under the second browntant, the Jaro will be jumping in mid-air.

=== Inside References ===
* "Check out my new gameplay!" is a reference to Stinkoman's quote "Check out my new cosplay!" in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].
* This is the second appearance of Stinkoman's green tongue. In the "Game Over" screen, Stinkoman's green tongue is shown. It also appeared in [[Super NES]].
**Although Stinkoman's tongue is red or pink all other times you see it in the game.
***The green color of Stinkoman's tongue may be due to the fact that he has a "stummyache"
* The nuggets in Level 3.1 are a reference to [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad's]] Character Video.
* Level 3.2 reveals that Stinkoman hates apples, just as Strong Bad does in [[The House that Gave Sucky Treats]]
* The health-restoring pills are a reference to "power crunches" from the Strong Bad E-Mail [[time capsule]].
**They are also a reference to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]], where you can get similar capsules to change your ship.
* Grundy's illustration in the manual shows him running in a manner similar to [[Homestar Runner]].
* Stlunko, the level 3 boss, has a striking resemblance to the [[Visor Robot]].
*The Rose Blake's description in the manual as a "'Lectric burner" is a reference to the email [[extra plug]], where Strong Bad gets '[[Lectric Boots]].
*"Blast em up Dan!" is a reference to "Fire em up Dan" as seen in [[Peasant's Quest]] and "fry 'em up Dan" as seen in [[TROGDOR!]].
*The sentence in the manual, "Falling from the skies and bove", is a reference to [[That Time of Year]].
*The chickens in Level 2 blow up like the ducks in [[Duck Guardian]] after being hit with the hatch ray.

=== Real-World References ===
*There are many references to the ''Mega Man'' game series:
** The sprites used for Stinkoman are patterned after 8-bit ''Mega Man'' sprites.
** In fact, the poses of the white silhouette in the logo are taken directly front the NES ''Mega Man'' series.
** The sounds of the text appearing in the cinematics are also the same as in ''Mega Man''.
***The chime noise for the main menu is taken specifically from the first ''Mega Man X'' game.
** In ''Megaman V'' there is a chicken robot similar to the chickens encountered in level 2.
** When Stinkoman says that the large gray fist could be a new powerup and takes off with it, this is an obvious reference to Megaman taking the power of defeated bosses.
** At the start of side-scrolling stage the little theme played is very similar to the old Megaman starting theme. In fact, the whole soundtrack was probably meant to sound like Megaman game music.
** When Stinkoman can't clear the wall with his normal jump, this is also a joke from Megaman.
** When all three characters flash onto the screen during the intro, that is also a ''Mega Man'' reference, where in one of the arcade games (''The Power Battle'') Mega Man, Proto Man, and Bass would flash onto the screen in a similar way.
**The spikes that can kill Stinkoman instantly (Old Sage) are a reference to similar spikes that usually appear on floors when there are moving platforms that would also kill Mega Man instantly
** The dropping platforms are a reference to the original ''Mega Man'', in which similar platforms were found in the Guts Man stage.
** Only 3 of Stinkoman's flying fists can be on the screen at the same time. In the ''Mega Man'' series, Mega Man's bullets also suffer from the same drawbacks.
***Early sprite based video games suffered this fate as well. Limiting the number of sprites on screen prevented slow down.
* Right after Tampo blows up in the cinematic, you can hear the same sound that is played in Metroid when Samus phases in.
* Stlunko, 404 is a reference to the 404 error that browsers give when a webpage cannot be found.
* Stlunko, the final boss, could very well be modeled after the final boss in the ''Donkey Kong'' game for Game Boy, in which you fight a giant version of Donkey Kong who uses two hands to smash you in a manner very similar to Stlunko. He also bears similarity to Gamma from Mega Man 3, or the boss at the end of Wario World 3.
* Hold B is a reference to ''Super Mario Bros'' and a few other Nintendo games where if you held down B, you would run faster. In this game, holding S (which is like a B button) allows you to rapid fire.
* Stinkoman doing a forward flip may be a reference to the ''Metroid'' series, where Samus does very similar flips.
**It may also just be a reference to the 20X6 main page which has Stinkoman doing a forward flip.
* The fading blue boxes around Stinkoman's face on the title screen are a reference to large NES sprites, which sometimes had a similar problem.
* The first boss, Tampo, may be a reference to the final boss of ''Star Fox 64'', which was the giant, floating brain of the enemy, in which it had the same weak point (medulla).
* Stinkoman's becoming bored when idle is an old gag first found in ''[[Wikipedia:Sonic the Hedgehog (Genesis)|Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' and emulated in countless other titles.
* Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.
* The phrase "Table the Label" is from a hilariously bad motivational video hosted by Mr. T called "[http://www.agonybooth.com/mr_t/ Be Somebody or be Somebody's Fool!]"
* The manual mentioning this game has no "weepy princess crap" is a reference to the Super Mario series, the Legend of Zelda series, and a few other games where you had to rescue a helpless princess.
** Likewise, Pan Pan being kidnapped references the countless games which featured a random character being kidnapped.
* The name, Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.
* The bulky, muscular Stinkoman on the box art is probably a reference to the first and second ''Mega Man'' games, where the original American version of the game's box art had a big, muscular Megaman that looked nothing like the character in the game.
*The pose "with the big hand" is a direct reference of the old NES game Battletoad.

== See Also ==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]
*[[Stinkoman 20X6 Hidden Items]]
*[[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough]]

== External Links ==
* [[HR:stinkogame/stinkogame.html|Play Stinkoman 20X6]]
* [[HR:stinkogame/stinkogame.swf|Play the Game (flash file)]]
* [[HR:stinkogame/objectLibrary.swf|See the Stinkoman 20X6 object library]]
[[Category:Stinkoman 20X6]]

big white face

Clever Ben — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 19:41:17 GMT

Clever Ben: Speculation

[[Image:sbemail70.PNG|thumb|Strong Sad gets cake'd]]

'''Strong Bad Email #70'''

Somebody asks Strong Bad why he is so mean to the guy with the big white face and gray body.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Poopsmith]]

'''Date:''' April 21, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:38

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hoo! Cha! Cheritiza! Hooritajuzu-duh-email!

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,

Why are you so mean to the guy with
the big white face and gray body?

Jen C from Millbrae, CA</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second. ''{types run "M4RZ1P4N"}'' Is she talking about Marzipan? ''{Marzipan's picture shows up on his computer}'' No, her head is...more like a baseball bat. ''{types run "bu-hubs"}'' Maybe Bubs? No. Bubs is definitely of the blue-headed persuasion. ''{types run "undabite"}'' Homestar's got the white head, but...his body's just kinda that red skirt. ''{types run "no-neck"}'' Strong Mad doesn't really have a head ''or'' a body. ''{types run "dacheese"}'' The Cheat's physiology just plain baffles me. ''{types run "mr.smith"}'' Um, the Poopsmith? Oh, the Poopsmith! Why would she think he has a gray body? Maybe her monitor isn't calibrated right. Or maybe she's like...on one of those old black and white monitors. ''{types run "b/w", it converts his monitor to an old Macintosh layout}'' That's it! ''{tabs out of the Macintosh layout, starts typing}'' Yeah, maybe I am a little hard on that guy. I should do something nice for him.

''{Strong Bad gets up, Strong Sad walks past}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Just on my way to do some stuff--oh! What's this say? ''{reads the email, mumbling}'' Finally! My come-uppance has arrived! I should go wait somewhere inconspicuous and act none the wiser. ''{The cartoon changes so it looks like we're on the Macintosh setup with the caption "A little while later..." We see Strong Sad standing out in the field.}'' Oh, nothing, nothing... ''{Strong Bad starts walking past him with a cake behind his back}'' Oh, hey, Strong Bad!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, wiggity-wiener.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Did you have something you wanted to tell me?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm...you're the wiggity-wiener?

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, not that. What are you holding behind your back?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm...a single deuce? Doosh? ''{flips him the single deuce}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, your other back!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uhhh...cake for the Poopsmith? Doosh? ''{throws the cake in Strong Sad's face}'' Aww, look what you made me do! Now I gotta make the Cheat make me another cake. ''{walks off}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I wish I could say that this is the first time this has happened to me. ''Today.''

''{Back to the Mac screen, "Another while later..." we cut to the Poopsmith and his pile of whats-it. Strong Bad walks up to him with another cake.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, doodoo man! I just wanted to apologize for throwing that first cake at Strong Sad. I put some beans on it. You know. In case maybe you wanted beans on it. ''{The Poopsmith shrugs}'' I hope there's no hard feelings. ''{The Poopsmith takes the cake}'' Anyways, it really stinks over here, so, uhh...I'm--I'm gonna go. Enjoy the cake.

''{Strong Bad walks off. The Poopsmith flinches when [[The Paper]] comes down. The Poopsmith pokes it with his shovel.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on the image of [[The Cheat]] to check out his physiology.
*At the end you can click on a bit of poo on [[The Poopsmith's Shovel|the Poopsmith's shovel]] to download those mac desktops as wallpaper.
*Also at the end, you can click on the cake to see what the cake looks like - you can keep clicking on it to add toppings to it. You can add (in this order): fortune cookies, Chinese food, grapes, Golden Grahams cereal, ice cubes, lemon slices, and finally, a [[Swiss Cake Roll]] and the "50" candle from [[50 emails]].
**The Chinese food looks like it may be [[General Tso's Chicken]].
**For some reason or another, the cake easter egg will not work on some computers.
***Probably because the cake is stored in a external Flash file.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*The first cake said, "Hey Poopsmith! Here's a cake!" However, the second cake (when zoomed in, not seen in the close-up) says "Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper". ''(also see Inside References)''
*The Cheat only seems to have one organ and no veins, and if the organ is the brain, then The Cheats might not use any form of blood, which, due to the non-existence of nerve endings, would make it impossible for The Cheats to feel pain, despite the fact that The Cheat does frequently.
**However, given the location of the organ, and the fact that it has a tube extending from it to the mouth, it could possibly be the stomach.

===Remarks===
*It's strange that Strong Bad arrives at the black and white monitor theory. With such a monitor, "big white face and gray body" could describe every character except Bubs, Pom Pom, and the Cheat (who would all turn out gray-faced) and Marzipan (who was already ruled out by shape).
*It's also strange that Strong Bad says he's been hard on the Poopsmith, since in [[your friends]], he says he did nothing to the Poopsmith because, on account of the Poopsmith's profession, "his tolerance for pain's gotta be through the roof."
* In the part where Strong Bad says "Big, white face and gray body?!? Who is she talking about? Hang on a second...", he's actually typing it, meaning he's sending a reply. Because it's a reply, he should have said "you", not "she".

===Goofs===
*If the contrast is changed before the Mac desktop comes up, then the Mac desktop appears blue instead of grey.
*Strong Sad's face isn't affected by contrast change.

===Inside References===
*"Sorry for screwing up the jumble caper" ''(see Trivia)'' is a reference to [[caper]].
*When Strong Sad asks what Strong Bad is holding behind his back he says the Single Deuce, [[Pom Pom]]'s gesture from "[[the bird]]".

===Real-World References===
*The email's page title says "Compy 086" instead of "[[Compy 386]]", and there's an icon on the black and white mac desktop that says "Compy 086". This is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Intel 8086|Intel 8086]], the first 16-bit processor introduced by Intel. Oddly enough, an early Macintosh would have been running on a [[Wikipedia:Motorola 68000|Motorola 68000]] processor, not on an Intel processor.
*The Apple desktop has [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,31/gameId,1268/ Karateka] on it, a very famous game from 1984 by Jordan Mechner.
*The old timey Mac wallpaper has a floppy disk icon that reads "The Manhole," one of the first computer games by Cyan, the company that would go on to make Myst.

== DVD Version ==
*All of the Easter Eggs are still viewable using either the angle button on your DVD remote or pressing down to find the bad graphics Strong Bad at the end of the email.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail70.html watch "big white face"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail70.swf view the flash file for "big white face"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/cake.swf view the cake]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/wallpapers/macbkgd2.gif download the mac desktop (800x600)]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/wallpapers/macbkgd.gif download the mac desktop (1024x768)]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Strong Sad Filmography]][[Category:The Poopsmith Filmography]]

best thing

Clever Ben — Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:17:56 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Fun Fact

[[Image:sbemail126.png|thumb|"Limozeen Pilot: Encounter at Groupulon 5"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #126'''

Strong Bad shows us the best thing he's ever seen, done or eaten: the quickly cancelled pilot of Limozeen in Space!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Limozeen]], [[Teeg Dougland]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Mitch Overlord]], [[Bozar]], [[Nebulon]]

'''Date:''' March 8, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:02

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' You got to ''e''-mail, just to stay alive! ''{types "strongbad_email.exe", begins reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,
How you doin'? I have three quick questions...
1. What's the best thing you've ever seen?
2. What's the best thing you've ever done?
3. What's the best thing you've ever eaten?

Later,
Albin J. (from Maryland)</pre>

''{Strong Bad doesn't read the numbers, and after saying "seen", he immediately follows with "done, eaten." He also whispers "from, from Maryland." Then he clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm doing real real ''{types "rrll rrll"}'' well Albi. Believe it or not, I've got one answer for all three questions. And that answer is...

''{Cut to an image of a video tape labelled "Limozeen cartoon" and "Don't record over for dang's sake!!!"}''

'''SINGERS:''' VHS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only known copy of the failed pilot episode of the Limozeen Saturday morning cartoon shoooooooow!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' It only aired once at, like, 4 a.m. some forgotten Saturday. And guess who was already up and eating brown sugar straight from the box? That's right, Strong Sad. But then I got up and started watching TV. If not for my The Cheat-like VHS reflexes, it would have been as lost as four-armed Grimace. ''{clears screen}'' I'll let you guys see it, but please, no flash photography or video taping. It could damage the precious oils and heavy metals of this priceless piece of television history.

''{cut to the cartoon. It opens with "Metalmation" appearing in large block letters, followed by "presents" in cursive}''

'''SINGER:''' 
Remember those guys from that band Limozeen? 
Well, they turned their tour bus into a space machine! 
But they're still Limozeen!

'''LARRY:''' 
We're still Limozeen!

'''SINGER:''' 
But they're in space!

'''LARRY:''' 
But we're in space?!

''{now the title screen is shown: LIMOZEEN "but they're in space!" The Limozeen members appear in animated form below. Teeg walks in from stage right.}

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. You're in space!

''{one final chord of the theme song plays}''

''{cut to the Couch. Strong Bad is sitting on it, while Strong Sad is leaning on it from behind.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh-ho-ho! So classic!

'''STRONG SAD:''' But why are they in space? There's no reason for them to be in space!

'''STRONG BAD:''' On the contrary, my dear Fatson! There's ''every'' reason for them to be in space.

''{title card for "ENCOUNTER AT GROUPULON 5" by A. Chimendez appears. From there, it cuts to the Limozeen members running away from a pair of flesh-colored hands, a pair of blue hands, and two magenta tentacles}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' So, one of their main goals is to both run away from and give backstage passes to all the hot babe-liens of the galaxy.

''{the Limozeen members run into their tour spaceship}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. None of the hot alien chicks from Groupulon 5 have backstage passes to tonight's show.

'''LARRY:''' Then whose midriffs are we gonna sign?

'''GARY:''' What happened to all the passes, Teeg?

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' Galactic Radio gave them all away. To Mitch Overlord.

''{The members of Limozeen gasp, as we cut to Mitch Overlord's lair}''

'''MITCH OVERLORD:''' That's right, Limozeen! I was the one million, six hundred and eighty-five thousand, four hundred and twenty-first caller! ''{raises his claw-like right hand and opens and shuts it twice}''

''{The members of Limozeen are shown running again, this time from nothing that can be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' And sometimes the magical prankster Bozar appears and turns reality upside-down.

'''BOZAR:''' ''{unintelligible}'' Limo-losers! How are you going to play tonight's show after I turn your instruments into Italian noodles?

''{The band is greeted with "boooos" as they attempt to play a concert with their noodle-instruments anyway. The word NOODLES! appears in lights behind the stage. Mary eats his noodles instead.}''

'''MARY:''' This is the best show ever, guys!

''{laughter is heard}''

'''LARRY:''' Mary, quit eatin' your drums!

''{Cut to the outside of the tour spaceship flying through space. Nebulon flies past.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{narrating}'' But most of all, the episode centers around the boys making sure metal stays number one throughout the galaxy.

''{Cut to spaceship interior}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. We've been knocked off the charts in the Forbidden Zone by an alternative rock band.

'''PERRY:''' But their bassist is a girl!

'''MARY:''' And the drummer's got short hair!

'''LARRY:''' And the lead singer wears glasses!

''{Cut back to the couch. Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Ow! What was that for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' For you and your kind destroying metal! Chuck Taylor-wearing, low self-esteemers...

''{Cut back to the cartoon. The band is practicing as Teeg walks up to them.}''

'''TEEG DOUGLAND:''' I'm afraid I've got some bad news, boys. Our pilot episode has been cancelled.

'''LARRY, GARY, PERRY, and MARY:''' What?

'''GARY:''' Oh well. I guess I won't be needing this anymore. ''{throws his guitar offscreen}''

''{Cut to the real Larry on Strong Bad's television, who catches the real equivalent of the guitar.}''

'''LARRY:''' Oh, thanks, Space Gary! I can't believe we got cancelled! Weeeeeell, join us next time, kids! In syndication! Or maybe on DVD! ''{plays a short tune as the TV fades out. Strong Bad returns to the Lappy.}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Whattaya think, Albi? If that's not the best thing you've ever seen, done, or eaten, then may I politely ask you to gouge out your eyes, cut out your tongue, and um, have all your done ''{short pause}'' removed.

''{The Paper comes down.}

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "brown sugar" to see a box of "Suge Brown" brown sugar, with the tagline "Don't borrow from thy neighbor" and a weight of "one whole pound".
*At the end of the email, click "eaten" to see a member of Limozeen question his hair color and size:
*:'''MARY:''' How come they made me fat and have red hair?
*:'''LARRY:''' Because you're the comic relief-uh!
*:''{Mary burps very loudly}''

== Fun Facts ==

=== Trivia ===
*Teeg Dougland was voiced by [[Mike Chapman]] who looks almost identical to Teeg.
*The email song could be a parody of the movie "Saw"'s logo 'How much blood would you shed to stay alive'

=== Remarks ===
*This email gives a good answer to Strong Bad's own question in [[different town]] when he tries to think up the Best Thing Ever, which turned out to be beef stew.
*Strong Bad's tape lacks the little tab you knock out to prevent people taping over it, a chief concern with the cartoon tape.

=== Goofs ===
*Just before Strong Bad sits down at the Lappy, you see almost his entire head, but, you cannot see the laces on the back of his mask; usually when they show that much of his head (e.g. in [[crazy cartoon]]) you see those laces.

=== Inside References ===
*Limozeen is a band name Strong Bad made up in [[band names]]. This is their first appearance in cartoon form.
*The green alien which floats by in one scene is Nebulon, as seen in [[New Boots]] and [[Main Page 1]].
*The teleplay for Limozeen's cartoon is written by [[A. Chimendez]].
*Teeg Dougland is the name of the director of the [[Moving Very Slowly]] video on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD. He is likely the Band's manager.
*The [[VCR]] is still blinking from [[12:00]] and someone removed the alarm clock that [[Bubs]] duct-taped to it.
*When Space Larry throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to [[invisibility]]. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken [[Tandy 400]] and replaces it with the [[Compy 386]].
*"The Cheat-like VHS reflexes" might refer to the fact that The Cheat has been seen traveling very fast, such as in [[lackey]].

=== Real-World References ===
*The fact that Limozeen's cartoon takes place in space for no good reason is likely a reference to several other cartoons which also took place in space for no reason, like [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-5297/ the Partridge Family, 2200 A.D.], [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2345/ Gilligan's Planet], and [http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-7865/ Josie & the Pussycats In Outer Space], all of which had extremely short runs (usually only one season).
**The Limozeen cartoon is also likely a riff on Hanna Barbara cartoons that featured bands who solved crimes or fought villians. In addition to ''Josie'' there was ''Jabberjaw'' and ''Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kids''.
*"Metalmation" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Filmation|Filmation]] animation studio, with the logos looking very similar. Filmation was famous for churning out cookie-cutter cartoons many of which also took place in space for no good reason.
*The repeated "band being chased" segments may be a reference to a Hanna-Barbera 70's staple of stock-footage chase scenes, which appeared most prominently in Scooby-Doo. [[Image:evil-grimace.jpg|thumb|Four-armed Grimace]]
** The drummer eating his drums is also a likely reference to Scooby and Shaggy, who were perpetually focused on eating.
*"Four-armed Grimace" is a reference to the purple McDonaldland character. Grimace was originally named "The Evil Grimace", and he had four arms -- so that he could hold many shakes at once.
*"My dear Fatson" is an adaptation of "My dear Watson", a way Sherlock Holmes often addressed his assistant.
*The space logo of Limozeen is very similar to the logo of the Nintendo game series Metroid. This isn't the first Metroid reference on the site -- in fact, a Metroid code appeared in an Easter Egg in the Strong Bad Email [[invisibility]].
*"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].
* Mary asking "How come they made me fat and have red hair?" draws attention to the manipulation of characters in cartoon adaptations to clearly defined sterotypical roles. In particular, Mary's question references the cartoon [http://www.tvtome.com/RealGhostbusters/ The Real Ghostbusters], where the Dan Aykroyd character (from the Ghostbusters film) was modified into an overweight redhead. This was probably done because the real-life actors had contract clauses that prevented likenesses of them being used.
**It may also have been done so that the animated counterparts of Aykroyd, Bill Murray, and Harold Ramis (all dark haired and of similar build in the film) could be easily told apart by kids.
* The phrase "Chuck Taylor wearin'..." refers to Converse High Top basketball shoes, designed by Chuck Taylor. "Chucks" are a signature look of Grunge, Punk, and Metal that happened after 1990.
**This is also a reference to that particular brand of shoe being popular among fans of "Alternative Rock" (or indie, or emo, etc.) that Strong-Bad is so angry about. We know that Strong Sad has a fondness for these bands from his Blog.
*Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of [[Wikipedia:Mr_Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]], a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.
**This also bears a resemblance to [[Wikipedia:The Great Gazoo|the Great Gazoo]] from The Flintstones.
*The scene at the end, where the cartoon throws the guitar to the real-life band member, pokes fun at almost every 80's cartoon that had a (semi) famous person behind it -- where the cartoon would transition/interact with the real person from off screen: Fat Albert, Alf, M.C. Hammer, Mr. T, and many others all did this.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail126.html view "best thing"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail126_mx.swf view the flash file for "best thing"]
*[http://www.forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2214 forum thread re: best thing]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
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Talk:Mr. Bossman

Clever Ben — Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:34:35 GMT

Clever Ben: Pointed something out

I find myself wondering if this guy could be the 1936 Homsar. Check the hat.

That sort of hat was popular in the 30's. Not only that, but this guy looks NOTHING like Homsar. He doesn't look much like the KoT, either. -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Fourth Wall Breaks

Clever Ben — Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:56:31 GMT

Clever Ben: Catagorized. If you don't think this makes sense, please comment before deleting it.

[[Image:fourthwalling.png|thumb|Good morning, reality!]]

in a blue moon, the H*R characters "break the fourth wall" by recognizing their existence as cartoon characters on a computer screen rather than in a fictional world of their own.

[[First Time Here?]] sets the stage for fourth wall breakages, especially when Strong Bad shows up to let you know why you're here.

It has also occurred in the following [[Strong Bad Email]]s:

== Emails that reference being watched ==

*[[huttah!]]: [[The Cheat]] actually watches the e-mail on his own computer.
*[[little animal]]: [[Strong Bad]] mentions "the viewers...at home..."
*[[the process]]: the entire email implies that [[Strong Bad]] is aware that he is a cartoon being watched by people at home.
*[[mile]]: Strong Bad tells us he won't be checking his e-mail this week.
*[[for kids]]: Strong Bad alludes to the idea of children watching his emails.
*[[other days]]: Strong Bad does his email earlier for "Eastern European viewers across the pond."
*[[extra plug]]: The scene at the end with the cast making a fake e-mail gives the impression that Strong Bad knows someone's watching, and that they want to see the e-mail finished.
*[[animal]]: Strong Bad says goodbye to everyone.
*[[part-time job]]:Bubs refers to Strong Bad's "email show," to which Strong Bad replies that one day he'll "be big," which obviously can't happen if no one's watching him.

== Emails that reference that the characters are on a website ==

*[[flashback]]: The size of the display area is purposefully extended and [[Homestar Runner]] is "behind the black."
*[[virus]]: [[The Virus(es)]] opens most of the characters' minds to realize that they are in a cartoon.
*[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]: References to the 404 page and the user poking around the site.
*[[part-time job]]: Strong Bad peeks around the edge of the black on his way to Bubs'.
*[[dreamail]]:Strong Bad says his dreamil would have a pink border.

In addition, the fourth wall has been breached in the following toons:

*[[The System is Down]]: References to both the 404 File Not Found page and homestarrunner.com being down.
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]]: Strong Bad informs the viewers that Homestar runs around frantically from Decemberween to New Years, then, in the easter egg, there is a poster on the wall that reads, "Left Out Characters' Support Group & Buffet."
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Strong_Sad#Character_Video_Transcript Strong Sad's Character Page]: In his character page, [[Strong Sad]] mentions that he doesn't want to "do a characters page."
*[[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD]]: The TV announcer says that the Yellow Dello is "the most rare and exotic bird in this cartoon".

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dreamail

Clever Ben — Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:13:59 GMT

Clever Ben: I'm pretty sure it's the Constituion, not the Declaration of Independence.

[[Image:sbemail122.png|thumb|Strong Bad dreams of flight]]

'''Strong Bad Email #122'''

Strong Bad describes for us what his perfect email would be like.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Female Lappy 486]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]]

'''Date:''' January 10th, 2005

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Oh oh, email's in the backyard, making some stew...

<pre>subject: Perfect email
Hey StrongBad,
I was just wondering: what do you look for in an email?
Another words,</pre>

''{Strong Bad temporarily stops reading}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh look! And there's some "another words."

<pre>describe that dream email that you would like
to recieve one day.
With lots of anticipation,
Danny Gedgafov from Glenview, IL
</pre>

''{Strong Bad has difficulty reading Danny's name, resulting in the following}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Danny Geh-geh-geh... gih-gih-gih... Gekakoff from Gliggityfoo, Illinoise. ''{typing}'' My dream email. My "dreamail." ''{clears screen, resumes typing}'' Well plain ol' Danny, there are a lot of email-fish in the Email Sea. And while most of them are those nasty bottom-feeders with the suckhole mouth, there are a few that break the glimmering surface of the water, to glisten in the sunset for a few fleeting moments like some kind of glorious e-marlin. Another words, please allow me to ditch the fishing metaphor and hit you with the pink border.

''{A pink border appears around the edge of the screen, causing the center to turn white. The whiteness fades into Strong Bad at the Lappy, which now has a golden chain license-plate cover around its screen reading "MY LAPPY ATE YOUR DOG" at the top}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' OK orchestra, hit it! ''{The orchestra starts up, and Strong Bad sings in an operatic style}'' Email me tonight!

''{The orchestra hits its last two notes, and the Lappy booting sequence begins. However, the Lappy emblem now looks female with blonde hair, and speaks to Strong Bad with corresponding text appearing below it}''

'''FEMALE LAPPY 486:''' Good morning, Strong Bad. You're looking prooty hot. You have one unread messages.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why thank you, Lappy. You're looking prooty hot too. Onscreen!

''{Strong Bad clears the bootup screen, and reads the new email}''

<pre>subject: French countryside
Dear Mssr. Elegant�,
You left your pocketwatch in the hot tub. When will you be
back to retrieve it?
-128 Hot Katies
</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' My Katies 1-128, 
Good to hear from all y'all (especially you, Katie 80). When my raucous schedule ''{pronounced as "shedule"}'' permits, I will triumphantly/abundantly return to the chateau for my ruby-encrusted pocketwatch. I have plans tonight, however, but I will, furthermore, heretofore, be back on morrow next. Please tell Adelaide that the poached eggs were tremendous. 
Forever young, 
Chester Elegant�

''{Strong Bad hits enter, and the female Lappy icon appears back onscreen as the email disappears}''

'''FEMALE LAPPY 486:''' Well played, Strong Bad. Those ladies are sure to be all up ons.

''{The pink border and such fades away as we cut back to the normal world}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh, man. If I got that email, I would have it bronzed and then dipped in...uh, guacamole and The Cheat would read it to me every night at supper.

''{The scene cuts back to the pink border dreamworld, this time at a banquet table(made out of a door) with large windows in the background, a covered serving tray and a golden chalice(or maybe just a doorknob). Strong Bad rolls forward in a plush chair with fork in hand to where the serving tray is. The Cheat's arm improbably stretches out from the right side of the screen and lifts the cover}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ooh! Cadbury Cream Egg omlette! ''{calling offscreen}'' Continue, The Cheat.

''{The camera pans to the other end of the table, where The Cheat is sitting in a similar chair, holding a bronze plaque with guacamole all over it. The Cheat starts to read it, then growls, rubs part of the front of the plaque, and continues. The camera pans back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{interrupting}'' Oh I love that part! Read it again, slowly, and... backwards.

''{The camera pans back to The Cheat, who starts to read backwards. Homestar Runner walks on-camera from the left side of the screen}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{while The Cheat is still reading}'' The Cheat! What's been up?

''{The camera pans back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Strong Bad, found your pocketwatch. ''{Homestar tosses a ruby-encrusted pocketwatch in Strong Bad's omlette}'' Katie 80 said "What's up?" ''{camera pans back to The Cheat}'' So, The Cheat, what's been up?

''{The camera cuts to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Crap the what? The pink border is NOT holding up its end of the bargain. Come on, pink border, get your head in the game!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' Pink border?

''{The scene cuts back to the real world, where Homestar is standing to the right of Strong Bad at his computer desk}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, what are you talking aboot?

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{looks around for a moment}'' Oh, we're back here.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah. I found your pocket lint. ''{puts some pocket lint on the desk}'' Marzipan says you're an ogre.

''{The camera focuses back on Strong Bad and the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Awww! I knew I should've went with a puffy white cloud border. Those things never let you down. Homestar never woulda shown up in a Puffy White Cloud Dreamail.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I do hate white clouds.

''{A center wipe suddenly happens with white clouds forming the border. Strong Bad's computer desk is now apparently in a submarine, with the text "NUCLEAR CLASS SUBMARINE 'SOCCERMOM'" painted on the inside of its hull. As Strong Bad types, some creature with a huge eye looks in through a nearby porthole. As well, the pinging of a sonar can be heard in the background}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And if you ignore all the facts and scientific evidence, those weird little kids were right. Thanks for your question, Leonard Nimoy. I'll be back next week to solve another Celebrity Murder Mystery. ''{stops typing and stands up, addressing the camera}'' But right now, I gotta fly.

''{Strong Bad strikes a pose, and wires suddenly appear attached to him. Strong Bad makes various noises as he is lifted away to the upper right corner of the screen, where he gets stuck. The Paper, which now seems to be modeled after The United States Constitution, comes down with the Strong Bad email link looking like it's been written in marker}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "e-marlin" to cause an ASCII marlin to jump from the bottom of the screen
*Click on the graffiti on Strong Bad's dream table to give a zoomed-in view of it.
*Click on the Lappy's screen at the end of the email to hear additional dialogue from the female Lappy.
=== Easter Egg Transcript ===
''{The Female Lappy appears back on-screen}''

'''FEMALE LAPPY 486:''' Don't fly, Strong Bad. Please come down. I worry about you. I can see the strings.

== Fun Facts ==
* The backwards jokes first appeared in [[2 emails]].
* The Female Lappy is the second character [[Missy Palmer]] has voiced.
* Strong Bad's dreamail dinner table is made from the front door from the show "227" and is signed by actress Jacke� Harry who played Sandra Clark on the late 80's sitcom.
* Strong Bad has two [[Wikipedia:Cadbury's Creme Egg|Cadbury's Creme Egg]]s on his plate. These are chocolate easter eggs with "cream" (which is pretty much frosting) inside. They're sold around easter.
* The phrase "all up ons" is from the email [[suntan]].
* The ending email is in reference to the TV series "In Search of..." hosted by Leonard Nimoy. As well, it may also be simultaneously referencing the TV series Unsolved Mysteries.
* At the end of this email, [[The Paper]] seems to have been replaced by either the original or a copy of the United States Constitution.
* As opposed to most other emails, the end screen does not have any sort of 'back' button.
* When Homestar says "What are you talking aboot?" he's says '[[Wikipedia:Aboot|aboot]]' with a [http://rasteri.sytes.net/~jmtait/but/zet/shetlandic.htm Shetlandic] accent, used in Scotland and parts of North America.
* The Floppy Disk this week is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miner_2049er Miner2049er] for the Atari 2600
* The talking Lappy 486 is creepily reminiscent of the red/yellow robots in Flubber.
* The pink border is a reference to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saved_By_The_Bell Saved by the Bell], which also used the exact same border for its dream sequences, along with many other TV shows.
*The dream email may be a reference to [[autobiography]], when Strong Bad gets a solid email
*When Strong bad is lifted by the strings, it may be a double reference to both [[A Decemberween Pageant]] and [[dangeresque 3]] when a similar thing happens to homstarrunner

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail122.html view "dreamail"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail122.swf view the flash file for "dreamail"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1703 forum thread re: "dreamail"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
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Fourth Wall Breaks

Clever Ben — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:02:41 GMT

Clever Ben: Added a possible explanation

[[Image:fourthwalling.png|thumb|Good morning, reality!]]

in a blue moon, the H*R characters "break the fourth wall" by recognizing their existence as cartoon characters on a computer screen rather than in a fictional world of their own.

[[First Time Here?]] sets the stage for fourth wall breakages, especially when Strong Bad shows up to let you know why you're here.

It has also occurred in the following [[Strong Bad Email]]s:

*[[huttah!]]: [[The Cheat]] actually watches the e-mail on his own computer. This could be explained as Strong Bad having a digital camera behind him, which broadcasts live on the internet.
*[[little animal]]: [[Strong Bad]] mentions "the viewers...at home...". This could also be explained as Strong Bad having a camera behind him.
*[[the process]]: the entire email implies that [[Strong Bad]] is aware that he is a cartoon being watched by people at home. Once again, this could be explained by the camera mentioned in the "huttah" entry.
*[[mile]]: Strong Bad tells us he won't be checking his e-mail this week. This could be explained by the camera mentioned in the "huttah" entry.
*[[flashback]]: The size of the display area is purposefully extended and [[Homestar Runner]] is "behind the black."
*[[for kids]]: Strong Bad alludes to the idea of children watching his emails. This could also be explained by the camera.
*[[other days]]: Strong Bad does his email earlier for "Eastern European viewers across the pond." This could, once again, be explained by the camera.
*[[extra plug]]: The scene at the end with the cast making a fake e-mail gives the impression that Strong Bad knows someone's watching, and that they want to see the e-mail finished. This could, once again, be explained by the camera.
*[[virus]]: [[The Virus(es)]] opens most of the characters' minds to realize that they are in a cartoon.
*[[animal]]: Strong Bad says goodbye to everyone. Once again, this could be explained by the camera.
*[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]: References to the 404 page and the user poking around the site.
*[[part-time job]]: Strong Bad peeks around the edge of the black on his way to Bubs', with an aside to the audience about Bubs' sobriety. Also, Bubs refers to Strong Bad's "email show," to which Strong Bad replies that one day he'll "be big," which obviously can't happen if no one's watching him.

In addition, the fourth wall has been breached in the following toons:

*[[The System is Down]]: References to both the 404 File Not Found page and homestarrunner.com being down.
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]]: Strong Bad informs the viewers that Homestar runs around frantically from Decemberween to New Years, then, in the easter egg, there is a poster on the wall that reads, "Left Out Characters' Support Group & Buffet."
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Strong_Sad#Character_Video_Transcript Strong Sad's Character Page]: In his character page, [[Strong Sad]] mentions that he doesn't want to "do a characters page."

[[Category:Lists]]

Homsar Main Page

Clever Ben — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:07:44 GMT

Clever Ben: Corrected

[[Image:mainhomsar.png|thumb|right|220px|How did he get up there?]]

To find the '''Homsar Main Page''' click on the 4 in the copyright on any main page. It's also accessible via an Easter Egg at the end of the email "[[interview]]." It's [[Homsar]], being random as usual. Notice that the buttons are all off center.

'''Page title:''' "LEGITIMATE MENU PAGE!"

*'''Toons''' - Bubbles come out of his mouth when he says "toOoOons."
*'''Games''' - "James!" He gets hit with a [[Heavy Lourde]], inspired by the Strong Bad Email "[[homsar]]."
*'''Characters''' - "Kelsey Grammer." He gets a mustache and a dinosaur appears with a sign that says "Beat State".
*'''Downloads''' - "Thank you." A boat goes by backwards in the background and toots its horn.
*'''Store''' - "Legitimate Business!" [[Strong Sad]] comes up and says, "How did you get up there? I don't think this is a very good idea."
*'''Email''' - "AaAaAaAaAaAaA." The background waves insanely behind him.

== Fun Facts ==

*If you run your pointer over the Games menu button quickly, the [[Heavy Lourde]] never falls.
*When the Downloads boat goes by backwards, the boat horn sound is backwards too.
*Homsar's mustache in "Characters/Kelsey Grammer" remains there after the mouse rolls off the "Characters" button.
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001288/ Kelsey Grammer] is the actual name of an actor known for his role as Frasier Crane on "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083399/ Cheers]", which ran from 1982 to 1993, and its spinoff "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106004/ Frasier]", which ran from 1993 through 2004. While he was on Cheers, he sported a mustache.
*If you click and drag off of "Games", the Heavy Lourde stays there, but you can move over the other buttons and watch Homsar move behind the Heavy Lourde, such as bubbles from his mouth.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/memorabilia.html go to homsar main page]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main_homsar.swf view flash file for homsar main page]

[[Category:Main Pages]]

Talk:Main Page 15

Clever Ben — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:03:53 GMT

Clever Ben:

== helium references ==

*The comment 'I'm sad that I'm flying' is a reference to the [[Strong Bad E-mail]] [[helium]], where you can click on the Cheat at the end to hear Strong Sad say 'I'm sad that he's flying'.

I think it's the other way around (helium refers to Main page 15), if only because it's funnier.--[[User:Hysterical Woman|Hysterical Woman]] 12:45, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

I think that Main Page 15 predates "helium", but I have only my memory, and no tangible proof. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:14, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

Main Page 15 predates helium. I remember laughing hard at the reference when clicking on the cheat in that sbemail, and this was when the sbemail was new. Helium is referring to Main Page 15, not the other way around. So the fun fact is invalid. I don't think backwards references belong in articles. --[[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 16:22, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

How could Main Page 15 predate helium? PbTC cartoons started with Crazy Cartoon, a Compy email. Helium is a Tandy email.

[[Everybody to the Limit]] predates Crazy Cartoon and it is from the Tandy era I believe. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:10, 31 Dec 2004 (MST)

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that one. -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

part-time job

Clever Ben — Fri, 07 Jan 2005 21:41:03 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Fun Facts

[[Image:sbemail121.PNG|thumb|Look out for Number 1! ]]

'''Strong Bad Email #121'''

Strong Bad proves he does more than just write e-mails, by showing everyone his part-time job!

'''Cast (In order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[The Cheat]], [[Bubs]], [[Coach Z]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Mrs. Bennedetto]]

'''Date:''' January 3rd, 2005

== Transcript ==

''{As usual, Strong Bad is in front of his Lappy, checking his e-mail. Judging from the view of the room we can see around the Lappy, however, he does not seem to be at his desk, as he usually would be.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': A lot of ladies and a lot of girls... some healthy ladies and some healthy girls!
<pre>subject: besides..
Dear Strongbad,
Do you do anything besides checking e-mails?

Sincerely, Hunter</pre>

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{typing}'' Waudju- gighi- ikuh... What do you mean do I do anything besides checking e-mails. 'Course I freakin' do! I do everything! Always! ''{clears the screen}'' Nature walks, Meet N' Greets, Bus Chucker Club, The League of Me and The Cheat Ice Cream Socials. Shut up! I even have a part-part-part-part-very part-time job, to which I am currently 15 minutes late.

''{Cut to the lower area of Marzipan's kitchen. Strong Bad has apparently been checking this e-mail under Marzipan's kitchen table. Homestar walks in, and is holding a tennis ball.}''

''{Strong Bad looks around in a panicked way.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': This is perfect! Just perfect! I couldn't be happier with my new invention! I'll call it... the Super Question Machine!

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{whispering}'' I gotta try to sneak out of here without Homestar noticing me.

''{Homestar sets his "invention" down on the table.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I gotta think of some kind of diversion...

''{The Cheat walks in, humming to himself, wearing a top hat entitled "Tito" and a bowtie, and holding a cane. Homestar turns around to look at him. The camera pans left. The Cheat begins doing a dance.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, wow! What a great new invention!

''{Strong Bad crawls out from under the table, and gives The Cheat the thumbs up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nice work, The Cheat!

''{He proceeds to crawl away, while The Cheat's still humming.}''

''{Cut to Bubs' empty concession stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{quietly while peeking out from behind the black}'' This is perfect! Bubs must be passed out on the floor again.

''{Strong Bad disappears behind the screen, and begins walking toward the Stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Comin' in to work on time..

''{Bubs pops up from under the counter. Strong Bad lets out a short yell.}''

'''BUBS:''' Aha!

'''STRONG BAD:''' {''Yells, then stutters a little.''}

'''BUBS:''' Late again, Strong Bad. I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Quickly}'' But Mr. Bubs, I was just-

'''BUBS:''' ''{Interrupts}'' Wastin' time on that email show of yours again. That mess'll never get you anywhere!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yes it will! You'll see! I'm gonna be big one day. I'm gonna be a famous email checker.

'''BUBS:''' And I'm gonna be two times two. Now put on your uniform and get to work!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're gonna be ''what''?

''{The screen fades out and resumes to Strong Bad wearing a combination of a sad clown and a hotdog costume in front of Bubs' stand. Strong Bad is holding a paper, and a stack of papers sits next to him.}''

''The papers all say:''

<pre>GET YOU A FREE CUP OF ICE WITH PURCHASE OF DELUXE CUP OF ICE OF EQUAL OR LESSER VALUE
BUBS' CONSESSION STAND</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's right! Come on down to Bubs' and get you a free cup of ice with purchase of deluxe cup of ice for equal or lesser value.

'''BUBS:''' No, no. Work it, son, work it!

''{Strong Bad begins dancing and humming.}''

'''BUBS:''' That's it, that's it! Look out for Number 1!

''{Coach Z walks in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, it's the hot dog clown! What fun!

''{Pom Pom's silhouette merges in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Pom Pom, take a picture of me with the hot dog clown. It'll be classic!

''{Pom Pom bubbles, and takes out a camera. A huge flash is seen, and a camera shutter sound is heard. Coach Z falls over, leaning on Strong Bad.}

''{The camera zooms in to Bubs.}''

'''BUBS:''' Pictures with the tragic clown dog ain't free! Fifty bucks! Sixty bucks! Get back here and let me confiscate your film.
'' {The camera zooms back out to the four of them.}''

'''COACH Z:''' ''{running}'' Charge, Pom Pom! ''{He and Pom Pom run off screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a great day at Bubs' Concession Stand! Sign up now for giving us money.

'''BUBS:''' Now isn't this better than sitting at your desk answerin' emails?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Actually I was sitting under a kitchen table this week and.. uh oh! The Lappy's probably almost out of juice! I need to get back and end this email! Uhh.. say Bubs, I'm gonna need now off. Is that cool?

'''BUBS:''' Is Strong Sad cool?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh come on.

'''BUBS:''' You know all my policies! I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay then I quit.

'''BUBS:''' Fine! But don't even think about swiping that costume!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You made me buy this costume, remember?

'''BUBS:''' Oh. Right. Well then pleasure doing business with you.

''{Strong Bad runs off in the costume.}

''{We cut back to the kitchen, where The Cheat has fallen over, still humming, and Homestar is standing over him. Strong Bad crawls back in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' This is the most amazing undersea epic ever filmed.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' See, Hunter? I got all types of stuff going on. I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are. I'm like a hundredaire socialite out on the sce-

''{The Lappy powers down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh great. The battery ran out. I gotta figure out a way to end this email.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

''{Cut to [[Mrs. Bennedetto]]. Strong Bad slaps a paper on it with some text and a picture of him on it.}''

<pre>yeah buddy,
i have muscles!

ps: preeeeow</pre>

''{The Paper DOES NOT come down on its own!}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click on "Bus Chucker Club" to see a post-it of Strong Bad's member badge.
* Click on "preeeeow" to make [[The Paper]] come down.
* Click on the microwave's "Broast" button to see "[[Hundredaire Socialite|Hundredaire Socialite magazine]]", featuring "The Brains Behind [[Videlectrix]]".
* Click on the "Power" button to watch an extra scene with Strong Bad and Bubs.

=== Easter Egg Transcript ===
''{Cut to Bubs on the Stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. We see a pamphlet:}''
<pre> T H E A T E R
Dreamaway
Johnny

A Sweet 3-Acter
Directed by Strong Bad
Starring:
Strong Bad and Buh-Hubs, man</pre>

''{The pamphlet zooms out. We see Bubs is standing in front of a cut-out of his stand reading MR LEGARM'S Bubs Stand. Strong Bad walks in.}''

'''BUBS AS MR. LEGARM:''' Well look who decided to show up. Fifth time this week, Johnny.

'''STRONG BAD AS JOHNNY:''' Oh I'm sorry Mr. Legarm. Honest I am! I just-

'''MR. LEGARM:''' ''{interrupting}'' You just what? Lost track of time?

'''JOHNNY:''' Yes sir. Only I wouldn't have to worry about that if I could just get the Johnny-Tron working.

'''MR. LEGARM:''' You still wastin' time workin' on that time machine, Johnny? That's a pipe dream, son! Your future's here at the shop. Now sweep up! I got customers to tend to.

'''JOHNNY:''' You'll see. Someday... someday...

''{Music starts, and a spotlight goes over to Strong Bad.}''

'''JOHNNY:''' ''{singing}'' When all my dreams come.. truuuuuuuuue.

''{Upon singing the word "true", Strong Bad is somehow able to sing an entire harmony. The audience claps; the curtain closes.}''

== Fun Facts ==
* {{FF}} The "Hundredaire Socialite magazine" easter egg features the familiar faces of [[The Brothers Chaps|Mike and Matt Chapman]]; the photo is from [[Peasant's Quest Preview]].
===Other things of interest ===
*The clock on Mrs. Bennedetto is stuck on 9:48.
*The Cheat wearing the top hat may be a reference to [[theme park]].
**It Could also be a parody of 80's "One Hit Wonder" TACO and his cover of "Puttin' On the Ritz". {{FF}}
*Buh-Hubs is a reference to [[big white face]].
*Bubs has apparently discontinued his "free weekly spamvertisements" from [[unused emails]], from which Strong Bad was making $1250 (5000 emails x a quarter each) every time he sold a disk of addresses.
*Notice Bubs' promotion is the opposite of what would be sensible: You get can get two cups of ice while paying only for the one that costs less or the same. This is the same kind of logic which allows [[The King of Town]] to have "earned a free combo meal by purchasing one of equal or lesser value".
*You can still make the circles appear on the LCD screen when the power shuts off.
*You can keep clicking on "preeow" to make the Paper come down again and again.
*"What do you mean do I do anything besides checking e-mails" is a question and Strong Bad didn't use a question mark. (Which frankly is pretty disappointing, considering the vocal work done on the grammar songs in [[local news]].)
*"Hundredaire" was also used in the email "[[suntan]]"
* "preeeeow" is what Strong Bad says in [[autobiography]] and [[haircut]], when attempting to prompt the printer to print out [[The Paper]].
*The confused sounds Strong Bad makes at the beginning of the cartoon are almost identical to the ones he utters near the end of [[Everybody to the Limit]]
*This email is the first to show the back of the Lappy. It is the 3rd time Strong Bad has checked his email in an unusual place; he has also checked his e-mail on Pom-Pom's Pom Pilot in [[the bird]] and later on Tangerine Dreams in [[weird dream]].
*When Strong Bad says "I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are," he is referring to his description of Senor Cardgage in the email [[kind of cool]].
*When Strong Bad is late to work, he grabs the frame of the cartoon, another confusion as to whether he knows he's in a cartoon or not.
*The tie on the hot dog clown costume is a reference to a comic called "Dilbert."
*Apparently the Lappy 486 also comes with a wireless Internet card. Either that or Strong Bad downloaded his emails before heading to Marzipan's.
*In the picture of himself that Strongbad puts on Mrs. Benedetto at the end of the email, his left hand does not have a boxing glove on it and you can see three fingers. This is the first time we have seen Strongbad's fingers or hand without the boxing gloves on.
**Also, in [[fingers]], Strongbad has intermittently three and four "fingers" taped to his boxing gloves, which combined with this drawing suggests that he only has three fingers.
**However, this picture shows Strong Bad with muscles and visible teeth, so it's not excactly acurrate.
*The sound the Lappy makes when shutting down is the same sound from [[caffeine]] (when Strong Sad no longer was caffeinated) and from [[dangeresque 3]] when Strong Bad changed the signature (john newell, on) to john newell, off.

== Glitches ==
* After watching the "Power easter egg," the paper comes down even though you haven't clicked on preeeow.
* On some earlier versions of Flash, you can hear the printer's scratching noise even before you click on "preeeow"
* Many users could see this flash if they clicked e-mail even if it doesn't say they updated the e-mail yet.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail121.html view "part-time job"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail121.swf view the flash file for "part-time job"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1652 forum thread re: part-time job]
{{Strong Bad Email}}
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Shopping For Danger

Clever Ben — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:10:00 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Fun Fact

[[Image:sfd.png|thumb|Our heroes spy on Blue Laser]]

The [[Cheat Commandos]] rock, rock on in an adventure to stop [[Blue Laser]] from saving money by shopping at a local grocery store on double-coupon day.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Gunhaver]], [[Fightgar]], [[Silent Rip]], [[Crackotage]], [[Reynold]], [[Firebert]], [[Blue Laser Commander]], [[Blue Laser minion]], [[Blue Laser Babies]]

'''Page title:''' Blue Las-alert, Kids! Cheat Commandos will be right back after these messages!

'''Date:''' September 28, 2004

== Transcript ==
''{Open to "Cheat Commandos Now Returns..." title. Danger music, then theme music is heard.}''

'''NARRATOR:''' We now return to Cheat Commandos.

''{Cut to Cheat Commandos headquarters. A large inflatable Cheat Commando with a "SALE!" banner sits on the roof. A title which reads "'SHOPPING FOR DANGER' written by A. Chimendez" appears. Cut to inside headquarters where Gunhaver is talking to Fightgar, Silent Rip, and Crackotage. A portrait of Gunhaver hangs on the wall.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' So then I grabbed the Blue Laser by his collar and said, 'You betta break yourself!'

''{Fightgar, Silent Rip, and Crackotage laugh. Pan left to reveal Reynold standing behind Fightgar, et al.}''

'''REYNOLD:''' Ha ha, yeah. ''{All turn to face him, Crackotage and Fightgar appear annoyed.}'' That's like how I labeled and alphabetized all you guys' combat accessories ''{Cut to wall where Flashfight's Flashlight, Foxface's Bulletproof Handbag, Gunhaver's Gun, Reinforcement's [sic] Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Rocket, and Silent Rip's Loud Noise Silencer (which appears to be an ordinary pillow) hang, in alphabetical order.}'' so it'll save on valuable mission time! ''{Cut back to group.}'' Kicka click-click, booyah! ''{Reynold pumps his arm.}''

'''ALL:''' Uh...

''{A siren that sounds like [[Homestar Runner]] begins to sound and a pulsating red light fills the room. The Cheat Commandos look around in surprise.}''

'''SILENT RIP:''' It's a Blue Las-alert!

'''GUNHAVER:''' Bring it up on screen!

''{Gunhaver points off-screen. Cut to "THE SCREEN", which says "Blue Las-alert; hit enter for details". Silent Rip presses a key and an image labeled "file photo" of Blue Laser Commander and a Blue Laser minion at a grocery store appears on the screen.}''

'''SILENT RIP:''' Blue Laser's been spotted at a local grocery store on double coupon day!

'''GUNHAVER:''' With the money Blue Laser could potentially save from those double coupons they could buy all kinds of super weapons that, like, ''{scratches head}'' turn babies into gold or ''{scratches head again}'' screw with the weather! Cheat Commandos.. time to rock, rock on! ''{zoom in on Gunhaver and cue theme music}''

''{Cut to room with Gunhaver portrait where Fightgar and Crackotage are leaving.}''

'''REYNOLD:''' Can I come, too?

'''FIGHTGAR:''' ''{laughs}'' Good one, Reynold-a!

'''CRACKOTAGE:''' ''{rhyming}'' You can't shoot, and you can't fly. If you came with us, you'd probably die! ''{laughs}''

''{Fightgar and Crackotage exit.}''

'''REYNOLD:''' ''{whining}'' I never get to go on any missions! I would be a good mission... guy. ''{slumps down sadly}''

''{Cut to a strip mall parking lot, daytime. A large blue tank with the Blue Laser logo on the side is double-parked in front of Price Style and Hausgood. The Cheat Commandos are seen from behind, marching up in silhouette. Cut to a hill behind which Gunhaver, Fightgar, Silent Rip, Crackotage, and Firebert are crouched. Gunhaver peers through a pair of binoculars.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' It looks like Blue Laser's going to take advantage of Price Style's already low, low prices on paper towels and grout cleaner and use all the savings to make a button that will make it snow at the beach! ''{The other Commandos start in surprise.}''

'''SILENT RIP:''' But, sir! What about beach volleyball?

'''GUNHAVER:''' There won't ''be'' ''{turns and shakes his fist at Silent Rip}'' any more beach volleyball! ''{all gasp, danger music plays}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' ''{to Fightgar}'' Fightgar, use one of your awesome disguises to do a little ''{uses quote fingers}'' "undercover work".

''{Zoom in on Fightgar.}''

'''FIGHTGAR:''' ''{groans}'' Gulp!

''{Cut back to headquarters where Reynold stands in front of a mirror wearing an outfit that looks just like Gunhaver's. The sleeves are too long.}''

'''REYNOLD:''' Step off, Blue Laser! Get your hands off those diskettes and fiscal reports! Don't make me use this gun that I have! ''{points with sleeve}'' Reynold's Commandos, let's rock 'n' roll! ''{shakes arms}''

''{Cut to Price Style interior, Aisle 6. Pan down to reveal Blue Laser Commander, who holds three rolls of "WIPE!" brand paper towels, and one of his minions.}''

'''BLUE LASER COMMANDER:''' What happened to our buggy?!

'''BLUE LASER MINION 1:''' That other guy that looks just like me is using it to help some old lady do her shopping, sir.

'''COMMANDER:''' Old ladies ''suck''!

''{Cut to another minion and Fightgar wearing an old lady disguise which consists of a gray wig and a pair of green spectacles.}''

'''FIGHTGAR:''' ''{points at shelf}'' 'Ere, could you reach that tub of Old Lady Rub for me, young man? 'Cause I'm an old lady!

'''BLUE LASER MINION 2:''' I never doubted that you were a lady, sir. Ma'am.

''{Enter Blue Laser Commander and Minion 1.}''

'''COMMANDER:''' Alright, grandma, make it quick!

'''FIGHTGAR:''' I was just wonderin' if you kind sonnies knew anything about makin' it snow at the beach?

'''COMMANDER:''' No, but I know how to end awkward conversations with the elderly! ''{to Minion 1}'' Let's go check out.

''{Blue Laser Commander and his minions exit. Fightgar removes his spectacles and holds a small blue box with an antenna that is attached to his wrist up to his mouth. Cut to Gunhaver outside, who holds a larger blue box with an antenna and screen. Fightgar is on the screen.}''

'''FIGHTGAR:''' Blue Laser's makin' his move!

'''GUNHAVER:''' Alright, Cheat Commandos, let's move! ''{to Crackotage}'' Fire the new grappling hook zip line!

''{Cut to Crackotage holding a large gun with a grappling hook at the end of the barrel. He fires and a rope begins spooling out of the gun. A tone sounds and the "Cheap As Free" logo appears in the corner. Cut to the tank in the parking lot where the rope wraps itself around the barrel of its gun. On the hill, Crackotage and Silent Rip descend the zip line.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' ''{to Firebert}'' Firebert, you stay here and think of a better commando name!

''{Firebert looks sad and makes a Cheat-y sigh. Gunhaver descends the zip line.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' Whee!

''{Cut to headquarters, where Reynold is still dressed as Gunhaver. He has put his glasses on the head of an upturned mop in a bucket and stands next to Reinforcements' Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Rocket.}''

'''REYNOLD:''' ''{to mop}'' Why, yes, Foxface, I'd love to take you out on a classy date. But first I need to save the world from Blue Laser using my very own Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Reynold Rocket! ''{Reynold straps the Rocket Backpack on his back. He falls backwards onto the Backpack.}'' Whoa!! ''{Green lights appear on the backpack and it begins to shake and whir, making "powering up" sounds and expelling smoke.}'' Oh my land, I can't see this ending well.

''{Cut to Price Style interior where Blue Laser Commander and two minions stand at the checkout with their shopping cart.}''

'''BLUE LASER COMMANDER:''' Oh, crap! I forgot my Price Style Plus Card!

''{Glass shatters and Gunhaver and Crackotage leap to the ground in front of Blue Laser Commander. Silent Rip falls behind a checkout lane several aisles away.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' Not so fast, Blue Laser!

'''COMMANDER:''' Ugh! I'm so sick of you people!

''{Silent Rip stands up and peeks out from behind the checkout lane.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' The express lane is for ten items or less! You've got two too many!

'''COMMANDER:''' Those are the twins!

''{Cut to a shopping cart with three rolls of WIPE! towels and two baby Blue Laser members, both with eye patches.}

'''BLUE LASER BABY 1:''' Ooo-waa.

'''BLUE LASER BABY 2:''' Ooo-whe.

''{Cut to Silent Rip, whose wrist communicator is beeping.}''

'''SILENT RIP:''' Sir! Cheat Commandos Headquarters playset is under attack!

'''GUNHAVER:''' We've been had, boys! This grocery store crap was just a diversion!

'''CRACKOTAGE:''' ''{rhyming}'' Back to base we're gonna head and make sure Reynold isn't dead! ''{laughs}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' ''{as it wipes to the Headquarters}'' Wheee!

''{Cut to Cheat Commandos Headquarters. There is a large hole in one wall with smoke streaming out of it and another unseen area. Cut to interior. Reynold is lying on his back atop the Rocket Backpack. His face is scorched as is a circle on the floor surrounding him, and he has lost his Gunhaver hat. There is large hole in the wall and some rubble litters the ground. Gunhaver enters.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' Reynold, are you all right?! What happened here? Nice jacket!

'''REYNOLD:''' Oh, Gunhaver, it's all my fault. I was upset that you never let me go on any missions so I tried on Reinforcements' Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Rocket--

'''GUNHAVER:''' --so you could defend our base from Blue Laser! Gah! Good work, soldier! It's not your fault they got away!

'''REYNOLD:''' What?

''{Cut to view of Gunhaver from above. He has his arm raised to the sky.}''

'''GUNHAVER:''' Next episode, Blue Laser! Next episooooode!

''{Fade to black. "Buy All Our Playsets and Toys!!" appears on the screen and is sung to music. Cut to a bathroom where a Blue Laser minion is standing in the bathtub, scrubbing the tile wall with a green sponge. Enter Blue Laser Commander.}''

'''BLUE LASER MINION:''' The grout cleaner is working, sir.

'''BLUE LASER COMMANDER:''' Fan-freaking-tastic! At last we'll have the edge we need to crush the Cheat Commandos! ''{Pan to show a computer screen which reads "Reason for not crushing Cheat Commandos". In large red blinking letters "MILDEW!!" appears. Danger music plays}''

''{Fade to "THE END."}''

== Easter Eggs ==

*At the end of the film, click on '''The End.''' to see an extra scene in the grocery store and what happened to the Blue Laser Babies.
:''{Cut to Price Style interior.}''
'''VOICE:''' ''{over intercom}'' I need a price check on two babies? Price check on two babies.

== Fun Facts ==
{{funfacts}}
*This is the first time we see the [[Cheat Commandos HQ]] playset.
*When Gunhaver tells Firebert, "Think of a better Commando name," Firebert makes a weird sighing noise that sounds just like normal The Cheat-ese.
*The line "Firebert, you stay here and think of a better commando name" is a reference to the email "[[army]]" when Strong Bad tells The Cheat that Firebert is not a good commando name. It is also seen in an easter egg in which Firebert's action figure package which notes ''Not a good commando name!''
*The episode "Shopping For Danger" is written by [[A. Chimendez]] who also created "The Strong Bad" in the email "[[pizzaz]]" and [[Cheat Commandos...O's]].
*[[Fightgar]] asking for "Old Lady Rub" is a reference to [[Peasant's Quest]], in which the innkeeper has a cabinet full of Old Man Rub.
*The Justice Rocket Backpack Rocket Rocket makes the same sound as when [[Stinkoman]] does a [[Double Deuce]], combined with the mechanical sound effect of Homestar's beanie in the email "[[car]]".
*Gunhaver's mention of Blue Laser buying a machine that would screw with the weather is an obvious reference to a G.I. Joe mini-series, ''[http://www.joeheadquarters.com/joeii.shtml The Revenge Of Cobra]'', in which G.I. Joe and Cobra battle over a machine, the Weather Dominator, which can be used to control the weather.
*Aisle six in the grocery store includes paper towels, soda types, bendy stuff, a cracker, grout cleaner, gym bags, green bottles, and blue bottles.
*In the first Cheat Commandos cartoon, Strong Bad uses a deep voice to do an impression of Reynold. However in this cartoon, Reynold has a high-pitched voice.
*Reynold is cross-eyed when not wearing his glasses.
*When Reynold says "Don't make me use this gun that I have!" it is a reference to the fact that he is pretending to be Gunhaver. In the easter egg of the first Cheat Commandos cartoon, it says on Gunhaver's box "has a gun!"
*Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II'', when Louis Tully wished to be a ghostbuster and put on the proton pack.
*The song that plays in the shopping mart easter egg is the Cheat Commandos theme toned down and rendered in a style similar to Homestar's song [[Everybody Knows It]].
*There were five Cheat Commando members who went on the mission. When we see the Cheat Commandos returning to their headquarters, only four returned. Either Fightgar or Firebert was left behind.
**It was most likely Firebert, since he was left behind at the grocery store to think of a better commando name.
*If you zoom in on the silhouettes of The Cheat Commandos returning to the Cheat Commandos Headquarters playset, you can see that they are all wearing [[Gunhaver]]'s hat.
*This is the only full-length cartoon that does not have its name appear superimposed on its clip on the TV screen in the Toons menu when the mouse is moved over its name.
*This is the third time a [[Toilet]] has been put in a cartoon from TBC.
*In the File Photo of Blue Laser, his arm patches are blue, not red like they normally are.
*When Gunhaver shouts to the sky at the end of the cartoon, it may be a reference to the old ''Inspector Gadget'' cartoon.
*Crackotage, the Cheat Commando with the headphones, who speaks is rhyming couplets is a reference to ''Transformers'' where there was a robot who did the same thing.
*The "Blue Las-Alert" may be a reference to the "Trouble Alert" on The Superfriends, which was sometimes compressed into one phrase ("Trouble-Alert" or "Troublealert").
*This is the first full-lenth toon not to feature Homestar or Pom Pom.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/commandos3.html watch "Shopping for Danger"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/cheatcommandos3.swf view the flash file for "Shopping for Danger"]
[[Category: Cheat Commandos]][[Category: Toons]][[Category:Gunhaver Filmography]][[Category:Fightgar Filmography]][[Category:Silent Rip Filmography]][[Category:Crackotage Filmography]][[Category:Reynold Filmography]][[Category:Firebert Filmography]][[Category:Blue Laser Commander Filmography]][[Category:Blue Laser minion Filmography]][[Category:Blue Laser Babies Filmography]]

Thorax Corporation

Clever Ben — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:25:05 GMT

Clever Ben: Revert

[[Image:Thoraxcorp.png|thumb|right|220px|Fear the corporation]]

'''Thorax Corporation''' is a fictional company created by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Thorax originated as a joke web site created by TBC, and the URL to this site is found in one of the [[Fortune Cookies]]. They are the stereotypical overly aggressive domain-name owners who offer domain-name registration services while smashing you with a lot of popups and ads.

Thorax Corporation is helmed by Gent Delabor and its staff seemingly consists entirely of members of the Delabor family.

Thorax Corporation is located in [[Mundelow]], PA.

== Front Page Postings ==
===THORAXCORP is NOT Bankrupt!! 07.15.02===
Contrary to popular belief and signed "Chapter 11" legal documents, THORAX CORPORATION LLC,,. is not bankrupt. CEO Gent Delabor saited, "We read Chapter 11 and weren't impressed. So we've moved on to Chapter 12."
=== THORAX acquires 'Arial' font! 07.19.02 ===
In a bold design move sure to shock the industry, THORAXCORP.com recently acquired the 'Arial' family of fonts. "Times New Roman? More like Times OLD Roman," said webmaster Mark Delabor.
=== THORAXCORP.com launches FLASH site! 06.31.02 ===
Thorax finally gets with the times! "I got the idea from some lights I saw on a sign that had lights on it," says marketing consortium Rode Delabor, "The light would turn on. Then, after a moment, the light would turn off."
[go there now!]
=== THORAXCORP ASKS: Is there times when you don't know so much? 07.01.02 ===
If you answered "Mggff," "Yes," or "What?"...Then you need to hear this!!Maybe have one of your smarter friends read it to you!!!!
[new produkts!]
=== 'Juwanna Mann' Scores BIG at THORAX Box Office!! 07.15.02 ===
Legible bachelor and social gadabout Leg Delabor has seen 'Juwanna Mann' 2 times since it opened June 21st. "I bought the tickets on-line the first time, but then I forgot to go to the movie," said Leg, "But the second time I bought them, I remebered to go!"

== Thorax Corporation Sightings ==
*[[Fortune Cookies]]
*[[cheat talk]] (easter egg)
*[[Under Construction]]
*[[flag day]] (easter egg) - the ticket says "no refunds no delabors"
*[[A Decemberween Pageant]] ([[Litigation Jackson]])
*[[Email]] (FAQ letter)
*[[TROGDOR!]]

== External Links ==
*[http://www.thoraxcorp.com/ Thorax Corporation web site] '''Warning: Contains Language'''

[[Category: Companies]][[Category:Inside Jokes]][[Category: Side Projects]]

Thorax Corporation

Clever Ben — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:21:14 GMT

Clever Ben: OnceAndOnlyOnce

Talk:Monte Negro

Clever Ben — Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:03:24 GMT

Clever Ben:

''This has been refactored'': Before his appearance on [[Main Page 22]], there was a little debate as to how to categorize Monte. Now he is a character, rather than an "inside joke".

*Could he be related to Biscuit Dough Hands Man? They...have similar hair!

*Alright, this is ridiculous. How can this guy be a character? He's a friggin' drawing! He doesn't interact at all! -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Talk:The Cheat's Head Exploding

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:32:03 GMT

Clever Ben:

Why is this still an inside joke? It's appeared more than 3 times.

:It's an inside joke/running gag because it is not a tangible item, or a distinct character or place. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:56, 19 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Rejects, Inside Jokes, and characters are not based soley on numbers of appearences. I mean, The Yello Dello appears in only one cartoon, but she's the star of the cartoon. She isn't a reject. Besides, what would "The Cheat's Head Exploding" be, a character? -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Talk:Coach Z

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:20:36 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Opinion

Alright, Coach Z is clearly an adult (albeit with a funky afro) in the sbemail [[stand-up]], he thanks little marzipan for her clogging. Later, in marzipan's answering machine 5, coach Z is drunkenly propositioning her. What kinda sick pedophile is he ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
:Well, Marzipan's not a child any more. More importantly, the characters aren't human, so we can't tell how they age - Coach Z could potentially be a year or two older than her. We can't start drawing human parallels with a character with no nose or mouth. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
::I speculate that Marzipan is now a teenager or in her 20's, and Coach Z is in his 40's or 50's. -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Main Page 17

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:12:13 GMT

Clever Ben: This sort of thing happens on every Main Page, and is noted on the Main Pages Page

[[Image:Main17.PNG|220px|thumb|Double Deuce!]]

A futuristic main page inspired by [[japanese cartoon]], the 20X6 main page, with [[20X6 Homestar]].

'''Starring:''' [[20X6 Homestar]], [[Stinko Man]], [[20X6 Marzipan]], [[Pan Pan]], [[20X6 The Cheat]] (in spaceship form)

'''Page title:''' "20X6!!!"

*'''Toons''' - 20X6 The Cheat(in spaceship form) goes by.
*'''Games''' - [[Stinko Man]] runs past, does a somersault, and says "20X6".
*'''Characters''' - [[20X6 Marzipan]] appears, jumps a few times, says "Yatta!" and disappears.
*'''Downloads''' - [[Pan Pan]] appears, eats a bowl of rice, and disappears.
*'''Store''' - Homestar gets blue hair.
*'''Email''' - The screen looks sketched, Stinko Man appears in the foreground, and does his special attack, "[[Double Deuce]]".

==Fun Facts==

*The anime Marzipan's pose is nearly identical to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chun_Li Chun Li's] victory pose from Street Fighter II (and all of the later Street Fighter variants and spinoffs). "Yatta!" is a Japanese word which means "I did it!", or "Alright!" in English.
*The sound Pan Pan makes when he eats is the same as when he talks.
*If you roll your mouse over ''Games'' and ''Downloads'' at the same time, it looks like Stinko Man jumps over Pan Pan.
*Stinko Man's spin jump looks and sounds just like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samus_Aran Samus Aran's] non-powered spin jumps from the Metroid games.
*Anime Marzipan bears a striking resemblance to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailor_Moon Sailor Moon] main characters.
*"Yatta" as the anime Marzipan says, might be a referance to the song "Yatta!"
*Stinkoman doesn't move his mout when he says "20X6!"

== External Links ==

*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main17.html go to Main Page 17]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main17.swf view the flash file for Main Page 17]

[[Category:Main Pages]]

Talk:Main Page 15

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:34:31 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Opinion

dangeresque 3

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:25:43 GMT

Clever Ben: This is a glitch in the Flash program, not a fun fact

[[Image:sbemail106.PNG|thumb|"Looks like we're gonna have to jump!"]]

'''Strong Bad Email #106'''

On receiving an e-mail about Dangeresque 3, Strong Bad, who hasn't made it yet, gives us a director's cut of Dangeresque 1 instead.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]]/[[Dangeresque]], [[The Cheat]]/[[Istanbul]], [[Coach Z]]/[[Renaldo]], [[Homestar Runner]]/[[Dangeresque too]], [[Strong Sad]]/[[Hot Tub]], [[The King of Town]]/[[Perducci]], [[Strong Mad]]/[[Killingyouguy]], [[Marzipan]]/[[Cutesy Buttons]]

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD''':''{singing}'' Oh, here comes little e-mail, with a gun in his hand...

''{reading}''
<pre>hi there strong bad,

i was just wondering,when is dangeresque 3 comeing out?

yours truly,
john newell, on</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "comeing" as it is written (replete with spelling mistake), viz. "koh-may-ing". He also pronounces "Ontario" (ON) as "on" and "John Newell" as "Johnny Well"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa. I left my Johnny Well on. ''{He deletes "on" and types "off".}'' Johnny Well: off. ''{We hear the sound of a large machine powering down.}'' Man! People won't leave me alone about this one. ''{typing}'' Okay, okay, okay, okay. Dangeresque 3 production update! Day 114: Things are comeing ''{again pronounced "koh-may-ing"}'' along right on schedule. So far, we seem to have only hit one major snag. Um, and that is I haven't um, ''{as he types, the text gets smaller}'' made Dangeresque 3 yet. ''{text size returns to normal}'' But, before you start throwing full wine bottles at your computer screen, let me offer this as a cop-out: the digitally remastered director's cut of: ''Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque, too?''

''{We cut to Strong Bad wearing his Dangeresque glasses, sitting in the Gremlin, pretending to drive and humming the Dangeresque theme tune. The Cheat repeatedly runs by in the background holding a small tree to give the impression of movement. A sign is held up in front of the camera, moving around a little, reading: Dangeresque 1: "Dangeresque, Too?" followed by another, reading "Not in 3-D".}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{makes telephone ringing noises}'' Oh, my car phone. {''He picks up a VCR with a phone cord coming out of it.''} You got Dangeresque. Who this is?

''{Cut to Coach Z in his Renaldo costume. He is looking straight at the camera.}''

'''COACH Z''': Now?

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{whispering, off-screen}'' Yeah, go, go.

'''COACH Z''': ''{turns away from the camera and holds an unplugged phone receiver up to his ear}'' Hello, Dangeresque? It's Renaldo. I need you back here away, right? I mean, right away.

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{off-screen}'' Uh, I'm in a car right now, but I can drive it to the office.

'''COACH Z''': Sounds like a plan. ''{turns back to the camera}'' How was tha –

''{Cut to Strong Bad in his car.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': Hang on, car phone! Get ready for some fancy driving!

''{Strong Bad makes the sound of a car squealing around corners while the camera moves left to make it seem as if he's moving forwards. One of the Gremlin's hubcaps rolls from the left of the screen. We then cut to the office. Strong Bad opens the door and walks in.}''

'''COACH Z''': What took you so long?

'''STRONG BAD''': Oh, I had to swing by Cool Weapons Surplus for a new nunchuck gun. ''{Holds up a gun with nunchakus taped to it.}'' And a Reesy Cup milkshake. ''{Holds up a milkshake cup with "Reesy Cup" printed on it.}''

'''COACH Z''': Well, anyways, I called you in to meet your new partner: Dangeresque, too?

''{The camera pans right to Homestar Runner, wearing sunglasses.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': The name's Dangeresque. Nice to meet ya.

'''STRONG BAD''': Whaaa?

'''COACH Z''': Dangeresque!

'''STRONG BAD''': Yeah? 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': What? ''{simultaneously}''

''{They both turn and glare at each other to the accompaniment of a shock riff made by Strong Bad over the top.}''

'''COACH Z''': Perducci's intercepted the serum at the border! ''{He holds up the newspaper from Stunt Double, this time with a taped-on headline reading "PERDUCCI IS THE BAD GUY".}'' If that serum doesn't make it through, they'll kidnap Cutesy Buttons!

'''STRONG BAD & HOMESTAR RUNNER''': ''{shaking fists}'' Perducci!

''{Cut to Homestar and Strong Bad playing squash in the basement (with Strong Bad's rendition of the Dangeresque theme tune as an accompaniment). Homestar serves the ball and they play a frantic volley, which Strong Bad wins.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': ''{removes sunglasses}'' What is your malfunction?

'''STRONG BAD''': Let's get one thing straight, meatball... face... butt: I work alone. 'Cept when I work with Renaldo... Which is all the time.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Oh yeah? Well, you need me because I'm the only one that knows where Perducci is, and where that is is that he is... in... Istanbul.

'''STRONG BAD''': Istanbul! Of course!

''{Blackout fade to an expanse of meadow in Free Country, USA, with a musical interlude from Strong Bad. Homestar Runner and Strong Bad are standing next to the Cheat, who is wearing a sign saying "Istanbul".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Perducci's got to be here around in Istanbul somewhere.

'''STRONG BAD''': I hope you're right. We’ve got to get that serum through...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Let's ask this passers-by.

''{Strong Sad walks by, holding a sandwich.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': What do you know about Perducci, doughboy?

'''STRONG SAD''': Ugh, I told you guys already I'm not going to be in your stupid movie!

''{The frame "jumps." Same shot, but now Strong Bad is holding Strong Sad's sandwich.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': What do you know about Perducci?

'''STRONG SAD''': ''{reluctantly}'' Only that I am not one of his minions.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Well, thanks anyways. Move it along, hot tub!

''{Strong Sad walks out.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': That stranger seemed to know a little bit too little about Perducci...

''{With another musical interlude, blackout fade to Strong Sad and the King of Town (who is silhouetted), on top of Bubs' Concession Stand. The King of Town is wearing a bowler hat.}''

'''KING OF TOWN''': What? Two Dangeresques? ''{He turns to the camera, revealing that he is wearing a blue coat, sunglasses and a name-tag reading "hello my name is perducci".}'' Well, they'll still be no match for my secret weapon!

''{Cut to a silhouetted Strong Mad, whose gleaming white eyes are the only visible feature of his body. Strong Bad makes a scary tune over the top, then sings the first two notes of the Dangeresque theme song as we cut to Homestar Runner and Strong Bad standing on top of a large piece of cardboard made up to look like a tall building, holding a horizontal rope. The frame "jumps" again to the same shot, but rotated ninety degrees so that it looks as if the Dangeresques are climbing the building.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': Once we've climbed this skyscraper, we'll hopefully be able to throw some people off. Maybe even Perducci.

''{They continue to "climb". As Homestar's glasses fall onto the cardboard, we quickly cut to the top of the Concession Stand, where the Dangeresques meet the King of Town.}''

'''KING OF TOWN''': Dangeresque!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Yeah? 
'''STRONG BAD''': What? ''{simultaneously}''

'''KING OF TOWN''': Allow me to introduce you to both my secret weapon and your doom: Killingyouguy!

''{Strong Mad appears, raising his arms menacingly. The M on his singlet has been replaced with "KILLINGYOUGUY" and two post-its with a bullet hole and a scar drawn on have been stuck to his face. Strong Bad imitates a guitar screech over the top.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Oh. Gad.

'''STRONG BAD''': That guy is tall.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & STRONG BAD''': You take the big guy.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': The pipes are broken!

''{He leaps off. We cut to Homestar, suspended by a rope, whirling around and kicking Strong Sad repeatedly in the face. Strong Sad has a paper bag with Strong Mad's face drawn on it on his head and is wearing his singlet.}''

'''STRONG SAD''': ''{one exclamation on each hit}'' Oof! Ow! Ouff! Ouwh! Getting! Dizzy! Blacking! Out! Oof! Geez! Oouf!

''{We then cut to Strong Bad, Coach Z (silhouetted) and Homestar (looking down on the fallen Strong Mad).}''

'''COACH Z''': Nice work there, Dangeresque!

'''STRONG BAD & HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Thanks. Ahahahaha.

''{Marzipan, as Cutesy Buttons, approaches Coach Z, holding a glass of iced tea, with ice cubes and mint bobbing on the surface.}''

'''MARZIPAN''': Mmm. Thanks for the serum, boys. Now I won't be kidnapped.

'''STRONG BAD''': Oh no...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & STRONG BAD''': ...looks like we're going to have to jump!

''{They both jump off the Concession Stand and end in a freeze, silhouetted against a sunset. The credits roll while Strong Bad sings.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': Today is all right for tonight... 
Riding in a Corvette, feeling all right, 
Today is all right for tonight! 
Today is all right for tonight... 
Riding in a Corvette, feeling all right, 
All right for tonight!

'''Dangeresque – Strong Bad''' 
'''Dangeresque – Homestar Runner''' 
'''Renaldo – Coach Z''' 
'''Perducci – The King of Town''' 
'''Cutesy Buttons – Marzipan''' 
'''Killingyouguy – Himself''' 
'''Passerby(Hot Tub) – El Dumpo''' 
'''Istanbul – The Cheat'''

''''Today is alright 4 2nite' written and performed by Strong Bad'''

''{We cut to pictures of Strong Bad with Strong Sad's sandwich and Strong Sad protesting in the background; The Cheat washing the Gremlin while Strong Bad holds the sandwich; and The Cheat painting Strong Mad black on top of the Concession Stand. Then the screen turns black and both Dangeresques' cool glasses appear on the screen. "The End?" appears underneath them. The song ends and [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on the sunglasses at the end and you can download "Today is Alright 4 2Nite", a song from the movie made by [[Strong Bad]].

== Fun Facts ==
*'''CD References'''
**Strong Bad's line "I work alone. 'Cept when I work with Renaldo. Which is all the time" is a line from the [[Strong Bad Sings CD]].
**[[Dangeresque]]'s door reads (backwards) DANGERESQUE Private Eye Crooked Cop which is also a throw to the [[Strong Bad Sings CD]].
*The sign held up during the start of the director's cut contains the words "Dangeresque, Too?" written in [[Strong Bad]]'s usual Ahnberg Hand. Usually [[The Brothers Chaps]] use a modified letter "q", but in this case they did not.
*The [[The VCR|VCR]] used for the car phone is from [[12:00]] and the [[Characters]] page.
*The Newspaper is from [[stunt double]].
**To read the exact text of the newspaper, see the easter eggs in [[stunt double]].
*"I'm gonna have to jump!" is a reference to the [[stunt double]], as is the whole e-mail.
*At the end of [[stunt double]], Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective was said to be coming out in June 2004, which is when this e-mail came out. Also, it was supposed to be 'In 3D', which is why the sign says 'not in 3D' at the beginning of this one.
*"What is your malfunction?" is a reference to Stanley Kubrick's Vietnam war movie [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/ Full Metal Jacket]
*The scene of [[Dangeresque]] and [[Dangeresque too]] going up the "skyscraper" is a parody of old Batman TV episodes.
*The Name Tag that [[The King of Town]] wears is from [[The Luau]].
*The car is the [[Gremlin]] from [[Homestarloween Party]].
*[[Killingyouguy]]! was played by [[Strong Mad]] and stunt-doubled by [[Strong Sad]], but is listed in the credits as Himself.
*[[Strong Sad]], who played Passerby or "Hot Tub" is listed in the credits as El Dumpo.
*"The pipes are broken!" is [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] trying to say "Tatsu Maki Sen Puu Kyaku", a move from Street Fighter usually called the Hurricane Kick in US versions. This is because the characters in Street Fighter II are very hard to understand and sound like they're saying something else.
*[[Perducci]]'s hide-out is the top of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]].
*[[The Cheat]]'s sign is a reference to [[A Decemberween Pageant]].
*This email was originally titled "dangeresque3" (without the space) but was changed within hours to "[[dangeresque 3]]".
*The fact that [[The King of Town]] was hiding in Istanbul may be a nod to [[They Might Be Giants]], who had a hit in 1990 called "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" and have collaborated with [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]] on several occasions.
**More likely, it's a nod to countless action and spy movies set in the city.
***Istanbul is actually a big city in the Middle Eastern country of Turkey.
*When [[Dangeresque]] "stops" the car, the hub cap dosn't come off of the car. It was rolled from off screen.
*The file sbemail106.swf is the biggest email to date, coming in at 1265KB! The only other emails that have come in over 1MB are "[[japanese cartoon]]", at 1131KB; "[[date]]", at 1032KB; and "[[haircut]]", at 1066KB.
**The large size is mostly due to the 3 frames of TV static (167KB from those 3 frames alone), and the noisy still image (287KB) at the end.
*We never see what happened to Perducci.
*Strong Bad saying "That guy is tall" may be a reference to [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] where Homestar said, "Alright, this guy is tall."
*The entire city of Istanbul is played by the Cheat, as seen in the credits.
*Homestar's "shades" are Venetian blinds-style, and may have been inspired by the movie "Summer School."
*This one's a stretch, but Strong Bad's lines "who this is?" and "reesy cup milk shake" may be a reference to comedian Martin Lawrence.
*Strong Bad does the music himself here whereas in [[stunt double]] the music was real. This is probably because Dangeresque 1 was first and was lower budget.
*Perducci's bowler hat is simply Homsar's hat, only brown.
*To make it look like Strong Bad is driving, the Cheat walks by 2-3 times. He sometimes holds a "tree".
*The Cheat's "Istanbul" costume is a reference to A Decemberween Pageant where his "Popular Vote" costume looks almost the same.
*"Reesy Cup Milkshake" is an obvious refrence to the peanut butter/chocolate candy "Reese's Peanut butter cups".

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail106.html watch "dangeresque 3"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail106.swf view the flash file for "dangeresque 3"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Strong Bad Email]] [[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]] [[Category:Marzipan Filmography]] [[Category:Strong Mad Filmography]][[Category:Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category:The Cheat Filmography]] [[Category:The King of Town Filmography]][[Category: Dangeresque]][[Category:Dangeresque Filmography]]

User talk:Miss Free Country USA

Clever Ben — Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:06:32 GMT

Clever Ben:

Uh...talk to me people! Ask me questions!

Hi there, and welcome to the Wiki! Uh...check out, like, the faqs and stuff...look at how pages work by pressing "edit" (but don't save them! ^_^). You can also play around in the sandbox, linked on the main page, to figure out wiki stuffs. I'm sure one of the admins will be able to give you a more complete welcome and links to better help pages soon :) --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 13:09, 6 Nov 2004 (MST)

Not an admin, but I sure could. :)

Hi there! Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki. This website is fully dedicated to anything and everything Homestar Runner. Some pages you may want to check out are the wiki [[HRWiki:Standards|standads]], [[HRWiki:About|About The Homestar Runner Wiki]], [[Help:Editing|Editing Help]] and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki Users Guide]. We're glad you've decided to join, and have fun! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]] - [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

HELP ME! I'm trying to log into the Wiki Forum but it keeps saying I entered an invalid name or password, and I can't have cuz it works when I enter them in to log in to the Wiki. HELP!! -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|MIss Free Country USA]]

:Your Wiki login and your forum login are two completely distinct things. If you want an account on both, you need to make a separate account on each. To register a new account at the forum, click on the "Register" link there. Unlike the Wiki, in order to register for the forum you need a valid e-mail address. Good luck! [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

Thanx!

OK, has anybody noticed what I said on [[User:Miss Free Country USA|my userpage]] ? I am the princess! Don't you remember me?

:Oh. Yeah. Hi. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

Does anyone know if CE5 is still here? He doesn't seem to be on the user list. Did he get a new name? - [[User:Miss Free Country USA|MIss Free Country USA]]

::I'm pretty sure CE5 was banned. A long time ago. --[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

Banned for what? -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]

::He got banned back in May, for being to argumentative with another user called Jack Selby who thought that the 100th email sucked. Since his IP was constantly changing, was still able to get on. Eventually, he gave up. -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

I need some help. I got the DVD but I can't figure out how to access any of the Easter Eggs that are supposed to come at the end of the emails. I'm pressing the right button but nothing happens. Help? -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]

Hey! Welcome back! So what happened, did you get obsessed with Squidward and forget all about all this again!?
Don't worry, it's all good. I've been working more on my site than over here lately.
WELCOME BACK'D! -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:29, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hey! Sup! I was wonderin when you were gonna reply to me! Anyways, I put this on my talk page, kay? Bye. -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Da princess!!!]]

Welcome back, Princess! Have you seen the SpongeBob movie? I have! ---[[User:Shopiom|Shopiom]] 14:02, 27 Nov 2004 (MST)

That's so funny you should say that. I'm gonna see it tonight!! ^_^ -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|PrincessofStrongBadia]]

Hey is there any way I can change my username to PrincessofStrongBadia?

:Not without annyoance. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

Hola, Reina de StrongBadia. Me llama es Clever Ben. Conoces a Lappy? -[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]

Talk:your friends

Clever Ben — Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:50:30 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Opinions

== Disputed Fun Facts ==
*There seems to be a strong hint to the WWF/WWE (World Wrestling). WWE's Vince MacMahon constantly speaks about "giving the fans what they want" whenever unleashing gratuitous violence & lewdness on his show.
**Can we get a reference link for this?

==The Cheat and Pom Pom==
How did Strong Bad manage to duct tape The Cheat to Pom Pom? We all know from the email "pom pom" that he could totally pummel him, and The Cheat would definitely find a way to resist. After all, remember the fight against Strong Sad in The Interview? -- [[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 11:40, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I'm pretty sure this isn't a disputed fun fact. It seems more like a comment. I've added a signature and a section heading for it to reflect this. Oh, and it might have something to do with [[Wikipedia:Suspension of disbelief|suspension of disbelief]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Don't forget this is an early SB Email. Note that SB is less malign in the newer episodes. My take is that The Cheat's and Pom Pom's characters were in early development. Perahps, in a story that could be told later on the homestarrunner site, the Pom Pom had an event in his life that made him rise in courage. None of this takes away from the fact I think it's hilarious Pom Pom couldn't get The Cheat off. -- [[User:brandonforgod|Brandon]]

Here's a possibility: The reason Pom Pom attacked Strong Bad in [[pom pom]] is because he saw the needle and ligher, and knew Strong Bad was going to do something to him. However, in this email, he probably just saw Strong Bad walking up with The Cheat holding some duct tape. That seems MUCH less threatening than a pin and ligher, right? And then, the next thing he knew, Strong Bad had duct-taped The Cheat to him. -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

==Hot Sauce-bul, not Ketchupanople==

Does anyone know what the significance of that bottle of ketchup is?
- [[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]

:It's not ketchup. It's hot sauce. Zoom in. And, as I added in the Fun Fact, I am rather confident that he pours the hot sauce over Coach Z's fries. Yes, I know that this message is likely being posted nearly two months after the comment it's replying to, but it really needs to be stressed - no ketchup. - [[User:Jay|Jay]] 13 Nov 2004

==What what mouth?==

I'm tempted to erase the "what mouth" comment in the Fun Facts, but not without anyone else's approval. I mean, one might as well ask what hands SB expects Marzipan to hold out? [[User:Jay|Jay]] 13 Nov 2004

:Since it's a comment and not a "fact," it probably doesn't belong on the article page. I'll move that (and other comments) over here to the discussion page. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 01:05, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Moving Stuff From Article ==

Here's some stuff that should be on this page, but was put in the article instead. I have no idea who said what.

*[[Coach Z]]'s weakness appears to be Hot Fries, but this email doesn't tell us why that is. (This is remaining in the article.)
** I actually thought this was the funniest part of the email - he gives Coach Z free chips instead of hurting him and thus insinuates that he's not his friend at all.
**Strong Bad giving Coach Z the Hot Fries is an area of Homestarrunner.com where you have to foreshadow. The Hot Fries are spicy chips. Coach Z will probably get a very huge burning sensation in his mouth, thus hurting him.
** What mouth?
**It could be more than that - why else would Strong Bad have been carrying around a bottle of hot sauce (NOT KETCHUP) for the whole e-mail? Notice the strange sizzle coming from the fries? They've probably been, er, spiced up a bit.

*In this Email, Strong Bad harms Strong Sad, which is strange, because that would signify Strong Sad as his friend! (Also remaining in the article.)
**But then, since when has Strong Bad ever needed a particular reason to hurt Strong Sad?
***Whoever said Homestar, Homsar, and Marzipan were his friends? -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

There's a reason for pages like this. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 01:08, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:your friends

Clever Ben — Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:48:16 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Opinion

== Disputed Fun Facts ==
*There seems to be a strong hint to the WWF/WWE (World Wrestling). WWE's Vince MacMahon constantly speaks about "giving the fans what they want" whenever unleashing gratuitous violence & lewdness on his show.
**Can we get a reference link for this?

==The Cheat and Pom Pom==
How did Strong Bad manage to duct tape The Cheat to Pom Pom? We all know from the email "pom pom" that he could totally pummel him, and The Cheat would definitely find a way to resist. After all, remember the fight against Strong Sad in The Interview? -- [[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 11:40, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I'm pretty sure this isn't a disputed fun fact. It seems more like a comment. I've added a signature and a section heading for it to reflect this. Oh, and it might have something to do with [[Wikipedia:Suspension of disbelief|suspension of disbelief]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Don't forget this is an early SB Email. Note that SB is less malign in the newer episodes. My take is that The Cheat's and Pom Pom's characters were in early development. Perahps, in a story that could be told later on the homestarrunner site, the Pom Pom had an event in his life that made him rise in courage. None of this takes away from the fact I think it's hilarious Pom Pom couldn't get The Cheat off. -- [[User:brandonforgod|Brandon]]

Here's a possibility: The reason Pom Pom attacked Strong Bad in [[pom pom]] is because he saw the needle and ligher, and knew Strong Bad was going to do something to him. However, in this email, he probably just saw Strong Bad walking up with The Cheat holding some duct tape. That seems MUCH less threatening than a pin and ligher, right? -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

==Hot Sauce-bul, not Ketchupanople==

Does anyone know what the significance of that bottle of ketchup is?
- [[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]

:It's not ketchup. It's hot sauce. Zoom in. And, as I added in the Fun Fact, I am rather confident that he pours the hot sauce over Coach Z's fries. Yes, I know that this message is likely being posted nearly two months after the comment it's replying to, but it really needs to be stressed - no ketchup. - [[User:Jay|Jay]] 13 Nov 2004

==What what mouth?==

I'm tempted to erase the "what mouth" comment in the Fun Facts, but not without anyone else's approval. I mean, one might as well ask what hands SB expects Marzipan to hold out? [[User:Jay|Jay]] 13 Nov 2004

:Since it's a comment and not a "fact," it probably doesn't belong on the article page. I'll move that (and other comments) over here to the discussion page. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 01:05, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Moving Stuff From Article ==

Here's some stuff that should be on this page, but was put in the article instead. I have no idea who said what.

*[[Coach Z]]'s weakness appears to be Hot Fries, but this email doesn't tell us why that is. (This is remaining in the article.)
** I actually thought this was the funniest part of the email - he gives Coach Z free chips instead of hurting him and thus insinuates that he's not his friend at all.
**Strong Bad giving Coach Z the Hot Fries is an area of Homestarrunner.com where you have to foreshadow. The Hot Fries are spicy chips. Coach Z will probably get a very huge burning sensation in his mouth, thus hurting him.
** What mouth?
**It could be more than that - why else would Strong Bad have been carrying around a bottle of hot sauce (NOT KETCHUP) for the whole e-mail? Notice the strange sizzle coming from the fries? They've probably been, er, spiced up a bit.

*In this Email, Strong Bad harms Strong Sad, which is strange, because that would signify Strong Sad as his friend! (Also remaining in the article.)
**But then, since when has Strong Bad ever needed a particular reason to hurt Strong Sad?

There's a reason for pages like this. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 01:08, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sightings

Clever Ben — Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:00:37 GMT

Clever Ben: Added Link

Homestar is slowly taking over the world. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the sightings we've seen so far. If you have any that aren't here, please add them. If you have a picture for a sighting that does not have one already, please feel free to load it up.

Of course, we politely ask that you do not hotlink to images, especially ones that do not belong to you. Just a simple link to the image will do. Also, this will ensure that the page will load faster for users with slower Internet connections.

== TELEVISION ==

===''The Screen Savers''===
On an episode of The Screen Savers on G4TechTV there was a guest on there that knows how to make Atari 2600 games and he is making a Homestar Runner game, he isn't done with it though. He's only been able to make Homestar walk around so far.

===''The Geek Show''===
On [http://www.thegeekshow.com/ The Geek Show], [[Strong Bad Email]]s are frequently shown as an example of "Whats funny on the internet"

===''Junkin''===
On the television show [http://www.turnersouth.com/network/shows/junkin/ Junkin'] one of the hosts, Dave, appeared in one episode wearing a [[Trogdor]] shirt.

Additionally on an earlier episode he is wearing a black Strongbad Tee.

===''Squirt TV''===
In New Zealand there is a show called Squirt and each week they have a featured website (the "Hot Spot"). One week it was...you guessed it...Homestarrunner.com. They talked about it for awhile and then switched on to some other crap they play on the show. Its a really dumb show and I just happened to be watching it then. -Spud 'Reinforced Steel' O'Connor

=== ''Buffy'' ===
In the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (ep. 7-22) Trogdor was referenced as being a villain in a game of Dungeons and Dragons. The following is a transcript of the reference.

GILES: I'm—I'm—I'm all turned around. You're here?

XANDER: By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.

GILES: That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter— Right! I open the door.

Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.

ANDREW: (reading from a book) You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.

GILES: Oh, bugger it. Fight. (rolls dice, sips wine)

ANDREW: Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.

GILES: Well, wait a minute. What about my... (puts on glasses) bag of illusions?

ANDREW: (scoffs) Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly British man. (Giles sips his wine again)

AMANDA: I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.

ANDREW: (looks at Amanda) Step down, girlfriend, you can't just—

AMANDA: Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it. (writes something down)

=== ''Megas XLR'' ===
In an episode called "Breakout", Coop tried to use an attack called Double Duece by jumping and putting two fists in front of him.

=== ''Angel'' ===
In a season five episode of ''Angel'' entitled "The Girl In Question," (also entitled "An Italian job for Spike and Angel") Angel and Spike were looking for Buffy overseas. They arrived at the apartment where Buffy lives, but Andrew was the only one there. He was talking to them about someone named "The Immortal," and he was wearing a black Strong Bad t-shirt. Later in the episode, Andrew wore the same SB shirt with a pore strip plastered on his nerdly little nose.

Incidentally, Andrew is the very same character who appeared in the Trogdor-laden ''Buffy'' reference. Since both shows are the brainchildren of creator/writer/executive director Joss Whedon, we can probably assume that the creator of the Buffyverse is also a fan of Homestarverse.

=== ''Monster House'' ===
In an Episode of Monster House, the Host, Steve is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt during the introductions. The episode is [http://www.tvtome.com/MonsterHouse/season1.html#ep18 Sports House] which first aired February 2, 2004.

=== ''Pulse Interview'' ===
In early 2004 the show Pulse on G4TechTV talked with the brothers chaps, and asked them about their new game that they are developing for the Atari 2600. They showed many video clips of their Atari game. The Chaps told about how they record their voices and how successful they have been. They announced that later this year they are going to release a DVD with the First 100 emails. Later after the commercial break they went to interview the company that is developing the homestarrunner game. The company was Videlectrix of course. The whole interview was weird because you could tell that the videlectrix owner was just one of the brothers Chaps in a mustache but the whole making an Atari game was real. (I don't know if you can find any of this episode on the internet but I did record it, but I don't know how I would be able to put it on the internet. Contact me at corneli23@hotmail.com if you want to)
:Links to the clip can be found [http://forums.g4techtv.com/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=82771#1500548 in this forum post]

=== ''Cheat'' ===
On one episode of Cheat on G4TechTV, they were talking about a name generator on "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic" and if you made names long enough, Homsar's name would show up. The host said his name wrong though, becuase he can't pronounce words.

=== ''Survivor: Pearl Islands'' ===
When Ryan Shoulders (known on the show as Ryan S.) picks up some tree mail (the show's system of getting messages to the castaways), he sings the opening to SB Email [[techno]], singing it as "the tree mail, the tree mail, what, what, the tree mail." This may also explain Ryan S.' name appearing in the email "[[theme park]]".

=== ''X-Play'' ===
On an episode of G4TechTV's X-Play, the wrestling game "WWE: Day of Reckoning" is reviewed, and when the "create your own wrestler" mode is being demoed, the created wrestler (presumably created for the show, not by the game's developers) looks suspiciously like Strong Bad, and appears to be named alternately "SB" and "Essbee". You can see the [http://porplemontage.com/media/XPLAY_SB.wmv video here].

=== ''Supersize Me'' ===

In one part of Supersize me, there are a group of kids at the computer. One of the kids (tan skinned) is watching an old Tandy SBEMAIL.

=== ''CNN Student News'' ===

On the 12/15/04 edition, in one of the stories it shows to be what appears a troop getting a toy from someone. It's The Cheat plush toy.

== RADIO ==
=== ''Quizno's and Homestar on NPR'' ===
On March 9th, Homestarrunner.com was featured on NPR's Talk of the Nation. You can find the radio segment [http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1753401 here]. You have to listen a little bit to get to the segment. It features [[kind of cool]], as well as the email [[different town]]. It starts around 9:15 into the clip and lasts until the end. Of note: a kid, Simon, calls at 12:20 and asks about [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Sounds like these guys could have used a visit to the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]]...

== ADVERTISING ==
=== ''Soap Box Commercial'' ===
A Soap Box racing commercial on Cartoon Network decorated a car with Teen Girl Squad.

=== ''SMS Advert'' ===
On a picture messaging advertisement in NZ/Aus, while it flicks through various picture messages/cellphone wallpapers, a picture of Trogdor pops up.

===Car Stereo Ad===
The face of a car stereo display in the Crutchfield catalog and the Crutchfield.com website reads "STRONG BAD" [http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9NLqsuV6KND/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&cc=01&g=186750&id=morephotos&pi=4&i=113MPV5025&display=XL#Tab See the display] - "Click the colored display views"

===U.S Air Force Website Ad===

A U.S Air Force ad on http://cube.ign.com features a picture of a man playing guitar. He is wearing a Trogdor t-shirt.

===Bernardin Print Ad===

A national print campaign in Canada for Bernardin home canning featured a young woman wearing a Trogdor T-shirt.

===AdultSwim Ad===

Anyone familiar with the Cartoon Network is definitely aware of how they promote their AdultSwim line-up: by answering viewer email during the 15 sec B&W spots. During a late-night promo for AdultSwim, one viewer wrote in with this question: "How do you type with boxing gloves on?"

== MAGAZINES ==
=== ''Game-Now Magazine'' ===
*The now-defunct Game-Now magazine featured Homestar Runner in the "Hot or Not" section of its Issue 12. ([http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5953/gamennow1.jpg Scan])

=== ''Wired Magazine'' ===
In Wired magazine, under a Transformers ad, It showed a picture of Homestar's new Atari game and some more stuff.

=== ''Computer Source Magazine'' ===
In Seattle there's a magazine called "Computer Source." The January 2004 issue mentions a group of people who, for fun, determined how many browser windows they could open to homestarrunner.com before the computer crashed.

=== ''More Wired Magazine'' ===
[[They Might Be Giants]] were interviewed and talked about Homestar and the Experimental Film toon, among other things.
Read it [http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/play.html here]

=== ''Entertainment Weekly'' ===
In 2003, Entertainment Weekly proclaimed The Brothers Chaps were the "It Web Cartoonists" as part of their annual "It List," which names off who they consider to be the most significant entertainers of the year. They asked Matt whether or not they would ever consider putting Strong Bad and Homestar on TV, to which he replied: "It's more punk rock if you do it yourself." This article also mentioned the upcoming DVDs.

===Tucson Weekly===
[http://www.tucsonweekly.com Tucson Weekly] had [http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/music/Content?oid=oid:59640 an interview] of [[They Might Be Giants]] in their August 19, 2004 issue that included information on their relationship with [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Of particular note was the corroboration that a special [[Experimental Film]] video was being made for MTV. However, a new develpment is that the current internet version "is getting played on MTV in England, so it is finding some legitimate video life."

===Time Magazine===
On June 30, 2003, Time Magazine ran a short article called [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/archive/0,10987,1101030630-460201,00.html "A Star Is Born - On The Web"] (access restricted) which featured a picture of Homestar from [[Where's The Cheat?]], and said he was part of a funny cartoon website, namely [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com]. The article also mentions [[Strong Bad]], and compares Homestar and his friends to a postmodern [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanuts Peanuts] gang.

== BANDS AND MUSIC ==

=== ''Strong Bad Live!'' ===
On June 7th, 2003 at Giants Stadium, Radiohead, the Beastie Boys, and other big name bands of that sort played, but the best part was the showing of Strong Bad emails over the JumboTron in between acts. They also showed [[Everybody to the Limit]] and it had a special new introduction wherein Strong Bad complained that he wasn't allowed on stage even though he had been the #1 hit for two summers in a row.

=== ''Beastie Boys 2004 Peagant Tour ===
On Decembre 16th 2004 at the Zenith in Munich, Germany, the Beastie Boys used two JumboTron screens on the left and right side of the stage to present to the crowd the first one and a half minutes of [[Everybody to the Limit]]. During the interlude the stage was empty and dimly lit so that Strong Bad was literally owning the stage at that moment. Even though most of the listeners might have never heard of Homestar Runner or Strong Bad the crowd was cheering and clapping their hands rythmically with the music.
''Everybody to the Limit'' and other Homestar Runner footage might have been part of other Beastie Boys shows during the 2004 Pageant Tour, but no other sightings were reported up until now.
The JumboTron screens were an essential part of the show and were also used during the concert to show live footage of the stage as well as other popculture reference material like accelerated footage of some Atari 2600 video games gameplay such as Frogger's and scenes from Battlestar Galactica (during their song '''Intergalactic''').

=== ''Guster'' ===
*The band Guster links to homestarrunnner.com on their site, [http://www.guster.com guster.com].

=== ''Relient K'' ===
*The band Relient K has a h*r-like shirt logo.

*They also link to h*r from their [http://www.relientk.com website]

[http://millionmanmerch.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RK00034&Category_Code=rk_shirts site that sells the shirt]

[http://millionmanmerch.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/rk_homestar_blue.jpg rk_homestar_blue.jpg]

=== ''Five Iron Frenzy'' ===
The Christian ska band Five Iron Frenzy has a picture in their latest CD release's booklet of their lead singer, Reese Roper, wearing a The Cheat shirt.

During their performance at the [http://www.cornerstonefestival.com/ 2003 Cornerstone Music Festival], the lead singer asked the crowd if they were "ready to achieve burnination".

Also in the CD Booklet, in their Thank You's, Andy thanks Strong Bad.

=== ''Very Low Sodium Band!'' ===
The Very Low Sodium Band ([http://www.verylowsodium.com www.verylowsodium.com]) has a song that praises Homestar Runner. Hear the song [http://www.verylowsodium.com/band/ Here]

=== ''Tripleside'' ===
Tripleside ([http://www.tripleside.net www.tripleside.net]) wrote a song called "Legitimate Business" as an homage to Homsar, including many classic Homsar quotes. You can download the song from their [http://www.tripleside.net/downloads.html downloads page] or read the lyrics [http://www.tripleside.net/lyrics/legitbiz.html here].

=== ''!ApologetiX'' ===
In the booklet for !ApologetiX's newest CD "Adam Up," their guitarist is wearing a Strong Bad shirt. Also, at a show in Cincinnati, Ohio, the guitarist, Karl, wore his Strong Bad shirt (the mask shirt). In the booklet, he is wearing the full body shirt. He's got both!

=== ''Sons of Pitches'' ===
The Ithaca, NY band [http://sonsofpitches.com Sons of Pitches] had a concert at the Cornell Business & Technology Park on July 24, 2004. Before their second set started, they were doing the thing at the end of the Theme Park where Homestar is on the Strongbadian Riverboat Superfun.. ride. It sounded just like Strongbad! I didn't realize until it was over that it was from H*R but the part I know they did was "Please keep your arms legs and valuables inside the vehicle at all times".
Also, they once noticed my Strongbad shirt during a concert at this local hospital's picnic.

=== ''Sixpence None the Richer'' ===
During a small concert they gave in the Washington, D.C. area, the drummer wore a shirt just like Homestar's 'star' shirt. As they were leaving, I saw the back of the drummer's shirt gave the url for homestarrunner.com

=== ''Time For Living''===
The San Francisco hardcore punk band [http://hardcoremusic.com/tfl/main.html Time For Living] has a Homestar themed album with the title track "The Cheat is not Dead". They have songs called "Discount Brick", "Just A Friendly Reminder", "Population: Tire", and "The King Of Town." Beyond the titles, the songs don't have any relationship to Homestar Runner, which for legal reasons is good for the band.

=== ''OC Supertones''===
The California-based now defunct ska band has a link to H*R.com on their website, http://www.supertones.com .

== GAMES ==
=== ''Skee-ball!'' ===
[http://www.wustl.edu/ Washington University]'s carnival in St. Louis boasted a wooden skee-ball game made by the [http://encouncil.wustl.edu/main/ Engineering Student Council] with some help from ((bkmlb)) and his family.
[http://userfs.cec.wustl.edu/~bdr1/thurtene/photos/Dscn0772.jpg Dscn0772.jpg]
[http://userfs.cec.wustl.edu/~bdr1/thurtene/] more pictures (note: Strong Bad and Homestar are not on it!)

=== ''Custom Robo'' ===
A little way through the game there is a quiz on basic game knowledge. One of the answers to a multiple-choice question is "Parts Burninator".

===''Amazing Island''===
On page 9/10 of the manual, there are instructions on creating a new character. Whoever took the picture had named his character Homestar.

===''Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic''===
One of the default name choices at the beginning is "Homsar".
Hmm, Brave Jedi Knight that one be...
"Kerrek" will show up as well.

=== ''Cyborg Livestoc Outer Space'' ===
If you defeat the alien mothership from Shockwave's [http://www.shockwave.com/sw/content/cyborglivestock Cyborg Livestock from Outer Space], the end text says that the ship "asplode," just as your head does in the game [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=StrongBadZone StrongBadZone].

=== ''Hershey Park PA face painting''===
At Hershey Park you can get a face painting of Homestar, Strong Bad, Marzipan, Pom Pom, or The Cheat.

=== ''World of Warcraft'' ===
Homestarrunner.com appears in the "Additional Thanks" section of the credits

=== ''X-Men Legends'' ===
"Strong Bad and Friends" are thanked in the "Special Thanks" section of the End Credits.

=== ''Kings of Chaos'' ===
When your army is beaten, one of the phrases are "The enemy Burninated your army".
[http://www.kingsofchaos.com Kings of Chaos]

=== ''Final Fantasy I & II: Dawn of Souls'' ===
A man in Hellfire Chasm says "This is private property. Trespassers will be burninated."

=== ''The Kingdom of Loathing'' ===
On [http://www.kingdomofloathing.com/ The kingdom of loathing], when you smash the hippy stone at the campground you will go to player vs player combat. One of the ways to attack a player is to "BURNINATE".

== OTHER SITES ==

==="Asplode" on Double-Tongued Word Wrester===
Neolinguist Grant Barret has done an [http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/comments/3102/ entry on "asplode"] on his site. It looks like "asplode" was not coined on HR, but he agrees that HR is probably responsible for its recent popularity.

===All Your Base Are Belong To Homestar===
A All your base parody staring homestar [http://www.sitesled.com/members/kewl0210/AYB.html see it here]

=== ''Weebl & Bob'' ===
*A fan made a piece of art with Trogdor burninating Bobs' style of animation
[http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/fanart/view.php?id=40# See It Here]

*They also have a link to Homestar Runner on their [http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/links.php link page]

=== ''Bryan Waterman Interview'' ===
Byan Waterman, who does the series "''Waterman''" had an interview and he mentioned the best internet cartoon was Homestar Runner!:
*'''Who is your favorite flash movie artist or flash artists if you have more than one? What are some of your favorite flash movie series?'''

'''BW''': Above all else Homestar Runner not only do I love the cartoon, Mike and Matt are two good friends of mine. Bonus Stage is another one I really like and I do look forward to Josephís animations.
[http://www.medaverse.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=2&page=2 See It Here]

=== ''Eric Conveys The Brothers Chaps?'' ===
Eric at [http://www.emotioneric.com Eric Conveys an Emotion] got together with The Brothers Chaps for a rough and tumble game of football, complete with Eric's warped and hilarious sense of humor. See a step-by-step progression of [http://www.emotioneric.com/ae/?adv=thefootballgame The Game]. On page 1 Trogdor is in the background, on page 2 The Ugly One is in the background, on page 3 1936 Homestar is in the background, on page 4 Homestar is in the background, on page 5 Strongbad is in the background, on page 6, The Cheat is actually in the foreground, on page 7, The Cheat and Strong Mad are in the background, and on page 8, Stinkoman is in the background.
*Also, in "getting a great idea... while falling to your doom" Eric has a Homsar shirt on. [http://www.emotioneric.com/greatideafalldoom.jpg greatideafalldoom.jpg]

=== ''Red vs Blue'' ===
At [http://www.redvsblue.com Red vs Blue] they made a public service announcement about tattoos (It appears every 4 weeks or so in the season 1 archive). When Church suggests you get a tattoo of a character from you favorite online comic, Strong Bad's face appears.

A Strong Bad sticker is also seen during the Red vs. Blue segment in the Halo 2 Limited Collectors Edition DVD, on the window of a door. (There are, what, at least a million copies of that disc in circulation?)

=== ''Live Action Dangeresque!'' ===
Some guys at Strongfans.com made [http://www.strongfans.com/stuff/dangeresque_sf.wmv this] awesome rip-off of Strong Bad's big-time blockbuster. Complete with orchestrated music!

=== ''The 2004 Cartoonist's Choice Awards'' ===
Homestar Runner won in best use of flash category at [http://www.ccawards.com/2004.htm "The 2004 Cartoonist's Choice Awards"].

=== ''newgrounds.com'' ===
If you search for homestar on [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/search.php?kind=j&terms=homestar this site], there will be a bunch of fan made homestar flash games and stuff.

=== ''zone38'' ===
This [http://www.zone38.net/blog/2003/02/02/369/ blog entry] links to a [http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=419950 Fark Photoshop thread] which featured several Homestar Runner-related parodies of ''Magic: The Gathering'' cards, with local copies of the now-defunct images from the thread.

=== ''Google Blog'' ===
[http://www.google.com/googleblog/ Google Blog] mentioned the Homestarism 'Asplode' in [http://www.google.com/googleblog/2004/10/its-wonderful-digitallife.html this] entry.

=== ''Shoot the Cliche'' ===
A certain imfamous burninator apears in this game from anothersite.
[http://www.anothersite.co.uk/news.php?artc=131& Blast Away!]

=== ''Your phone a splode'' ===

The website [http://www.fark.com/ Fark.com] linked to a [http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&e=1&u=/ap/20041123/ap_on_hi_te/exploding_phones Yahoo News story] about exploding cell phones under the headline "Your phone a splode."

[[Image:headline_on_fark.png]]

Also, Fark linked to [http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/07/01/exploding.phone this story] about the same thing back in July.

[[Image:farkburnin.png]]

===''Pacdude Games''===

At games website [http://www.pacdudegames.com PacdudeGames.com] a game called "3-to-1 Blarney." This is a reference to [[army]] where Strong Bad says "Three-to-one Marmy?" The game bears no resemblance to the game listed in the e-mail's easter egg, but does thank Strong Bad and the Brothers Chaps in there.

===''The Force.net Humor''===
At a star wars fansite's humor saection one of their "Top 46 lists" titled 'Top 47 lesser known goals of the evil empire' says Quote "Secret co-production of Dangeresque 1, 2, & 3" End Quote. An obvious dangeresque reference. [http://www.theforce.net/humor/topten/ct10_lesser_known_goals_pt1.asp The List] [http://www.theforce.net/humor The Site]

===''Homokaasu.org''===
A Homestar Runner [http://homokaasu.org/rasterbator/gallery.gas?1331 wall-size printout] demonstrating homokaasu.org's Rasterbator software (Web service)

===''TROGDOR ''Real Ultimate Power'' parody''===
'''''Real Ultimate Power''''' is a widely-parodied piece of Ninja coolness, and by cool, I mean totally sweet.
[[http://www.geocities.com/viggler/trogdor.html This site]] shows that TROGDOR burninates ALL the time and doesn't even think twice about it.
And that's what I call REAL ULTIMATE POWER!!!!!

=== ''Battleon.com'' ===
The free game Adventure Quest has a weapon called the Guardian Blade it's special move is call forth a dragon, one of the phrases the dragon says is "BURNANATE!!!!!! (please dont sue us)". Obviously a Trogdor reference.

=== ''Star Harbor Nights'' ===

The authors of [http://www.starharbornights.com these stories] are apparently fans... their characters have started making Homestar and Strong Bad references in conversation, including the use of the word "Decemberween" in [http://www.starharbornights.com/static.php?content=viewchapter&subtitle=Table%20of%20Contents&path=7&story=starharbornights one story] and a [http://www.starharbornights.com/static.php?content=viewchapter&subtitle=Table%20of%20Contents&path=1/2&story=starharborholidays reference] to Strong Bad singing from [[A Holiday Greeting]].

=== '''Gamecheetz Comics''' ===

A comic featuring the characters of Super Smash Brothers Melee. As Link is returning to Final Destination, the "Scene Missing" image from [[Parsnips a-Plenty]] appears. It even says "If you don't recognize this then you need to visit HomestarRunner.com" The comic can be seen here: http://www.gamecheetz.com/Comic.php?comic=17692

== OTHER ANIMATIONS ==
===''ClaveMan''===
ClaveMan (Episode 1) - A [http://www.dinowax.com/ Dino Wax] Production.
Claveman poses as Homestar as one of his diguises to obtain free Popeye's biscuits.

=== ''Metroid Flash'' ===
At [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there is a movie entitled [http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/metroidconfusion_movie.php "Metroid Confusion"], and at the beginning there are three computers and one has the H*R page displayed on its monitor. The end also borrows "Because It's Midnight" and credits a band named "Limozeen." Also when you them talking about how Samus is defenseless without her suit zoom in on the second shelf a book is the Homestar Runner enters the Strongest Man in the World contest.

=== ''Kerri's Big Invention'' ===
Also at [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there is movie entitled [http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/kerrisbiginvention.html "Kerri's Big Invention"] and about halfway through the movie Kerri is drawing on a blackboard. When the whole blackboard is visible, in the lower left corner is a poorly drawn Homestar and Strongbad. In the upper right you can see the carrot shaped thing from the scrapbook on the Coach Z page. Its labeled Carrot Top on the black board. (This flash cartoon was created by [http://www.legendaryfrog.com/ Legendary Frog]).

=== ''Bush Bash'' ===
On this very weird [http://tlchicken.com/bush/bushbash.swf flash] animation at tlchicken.com, you can see a picture of President Bush and a flaming Earth that says "Burninating the Peasants since 2000".

=== ''VG Cats'' ===
At the end of the [http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/100.php 100th strip](a flash special so I can't post it here), click on the middle '0' in '100', to see an easter egg with one of the characters answering an e-mail SB-style, and a cameo by the man himself!

=== ''8-bit theater 3'' ===
On [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/106049 this flash animation] based on the 8-bit Theatre comics, at the ending outtakes, Strong Bad and The Cheat appear. The Cheat appears on the table when cloud does a sumoning in the outtakes, and Strong Bad appears in one of the Mega Man boxes and says "HOLY CRAP!"

=== High Score ===
At [http://www.highscoreonline.com/homstray.html High Score Online] they made a Homestar cartoon entitled "Not Without My Application, AKA Jorbs a Plenti." Be sure to click on the bucket at the end after the credits.

In Episode 3, there is a set of really fast moving credits with a Strong Bad reference:
[http://img117.exs.cx/img117/2954/strongbadsighting.png Seen here]

High Score [http://www.highscoreonline.com/episode4.html Episode 4] has a Parents Day spectacular, with "special guest star" [[What's Her Face]]. Later in a newspaper montage one of the subtitles says "Strong Sad Still A Loser."

=== ''Bonus Stage'' ===
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage8.html episode 8], there is a passing reference to Strong Bad making video games. This episode came out not long after the email [[video games]], so that's probably what it refers to.
*In [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/155306 episode 9], Joel dies and goes to hell. Phil and Elly then die so they can rescue him, and while there, they meet Strong Bad, Homestar, and Coach Z. After they rescue Joel, Phil starts typing on a Compy 386 about how Bubs won the race, and Strong Sad shows up. ''Note:'' This episode is not currently viewable on www.bonusstages.com. The Homestar appearances are being removed for legal reasons.
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage19.html episode 19], there is a rather long easter egg in which Joel and Phil try to prank call some people. One of their targets is Strong Bad... or is it?
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage30.html episode 30], there is a commercial for a candy called "Kandy Commandoz". A small disclaimer flashes across the screen proclaiming "Not a ripoff of Homestar Runner".

=== ''One Ring To Rule Them All 2'' ===

When they're singing about Bilbo the middle elf chick has a pin that says "Wear a Bikini."
[http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/ring2.html Watch it here!]

=== ''Decline of Video Gaming 2'' ===
On [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there are slight references to Homestar Runner. While watching it, put on creator's notes.

===''Lost in Tijuana''===
At [http://www.jaydonaldson.com Jaydonaldson.com] and on [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/118798 Newgrounds.com] if you're not willing to pay the membership costs, you see SB's face on a wanted poster about halfway through the animation.

===''Waterman''===
At [http://watermanstudios.com Waterman Studios], the SB ice pop is advertised for sale on the side of the icecream truck that shows up in several of the episodes.

=== ''Haloween Special'' ===
At [http://www.ebolaworld.com Ebolaworld.com], there is a Weekly Update titled Haloween Special. Taco-Man hosts a costume party for Halloween and Homestar makes an appearance at the very end.
[http://www.ebolaworld.com/movies/weeklyupdate/19.swf watch it]

=== ''Dr. Wily Shorts Collection'' ===
At [http://www.planet-megaman.com planet-megaman.com], there is a flash animation called "Dr. Wily Shorts Collection." If you click on Dr. Wily's shorts, a short animation of Strong Bad and Homestar pops up. [http://www.planet-megaman.com/ent/wilyshorts.php click here to see it]

=== ''The Matrix Has You'' ===
At [http://www.legendaryfrog.com this site], there is a cartoon called The Matrix Has You. At the end of The Final Fight, Oracle's daughter says "It's Over" in a voice that sounds kind of like Cheerleader's.

== SCHOOL ==
=== ''Trogdor at An Ivy school?''===
At the Yale-Princeton football game halftime show in November, 2004, the Princeton Band announcer was listing villains (I wont explain why), and the last one on the list was TROGDOR THE BURNINATOR. This show also included a formation based on Email 100: "This joke is of such historical significance that it can only be told in... WIDESCREEN. Left side BWAAAAAH. Right side BWAAAAAAH." (at which the left and right sides of the band formation went wide-screen)

=== ''Trogdor: MIT Hacker'' ===
The Burninator was the subject of one of the famous MIT Hacks! [http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/2003/vidwall_postits/ The hack itself.] [http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/Gallery.html More about hacks.]

=== ''Trogdor goes to Duke'' ===
At Duke University in around April of this year, the side of a painted underpass displayed an advertisement for an "Inside Joke" comedy troop. The centerpiece was a large, majestic Trogdor.

=== ''Strong Bad the Politician'' ===
At North Carolina State University in 2002, life sized posters of Strong Bad with the words "Strong Bad for Student Body Presdient" appeared on campus. Sadly, he was not listed on the student council ballot.

=== ''Strong Bad Viewings'' ===
At North Brandywine Middle School, on the last day before Summer Break, the school shows all the currently available Strong Bad E-mails over the Closed-Circut TV Network.

=== ''Strong Bad At The Naval Academy'' ===
Before every home football game, the Naval Academy freshman (known as Plebes) decorate a monument of a Native American chief nick-named Techumsuh on the campus in some sort of disguise. Last year for the Navy-Central Michigan game, the monument was painted up as Strong Bad. [http://www.andysrandomstuff.com/usna/gallery2/sbt2.jpg]

== COMICS ==
=== ''Theater Hopper'' ===
Tom Brazelton of Theater Hopper had himself in his comics on June 23, with a Homestar shirt.
[http://www.theaterhopper.com/comics/040623.jpg 040623.jpg]

=== ''Commander Kitty'' ===
In a Commander Kitty comic, one of the characters is wearing a Strong Bad mask.
[http://commanderkitty.com/comics/ck20020816.jpg ck20020816.jpg]

=== ''8-bit Theatre'' ===
A dark elf explains how evil a monster is, and Trogdor comes to mind.
[http://www.nuklearpower.com/comics/030520.png 030520.png]

=== ''Bruno the Bandit'' ===
American politics are parodied by comparing them with other regimes. Few places are as oppressive as Strongbadia.
[http://www.brunothebandit.com/d/20040825.html]

=== ''Zelda comic'' ===
Tons of sightings here.
*In [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=136.gif Comic 136], Bub says "Ow! my stomach lining!!!"
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=164.png Comic 164] is actually called "Yet Another Subtle Homestar Reference." The reference is "shut it up, you."
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=170.png Comic 170] is entitled "I'm So Glad the Bub is Not Dead."
*In [http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=191.png comic 191], the baddies show their coolness by donning sunglasses and saying "Sup." This comic came out a few days after [[the bet]].
*On the [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=200.png 200th] comic, they used the "Its almost over!" screen from Teen Girl Squad.
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=212.png Comic 212] is entitled "Yeah, Shut Up, Kid."
*On comic [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=225.png 225], Link asks what would happen if Bub fights Lloyd. Bub answers saying "his head a splode?"
*Also in the bonus section, there is a thing called "Flame War 04" the [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/bonus/flamewar04/flame1.jpg first comic] is a reference to the Strong Bad email [[dragon]], and the state with the underwear is a reference to Strong Bad email [[weird dream]]

===''Witch's Brew'' ===
The origin of the Witch's Brew name came from Homestar's famous Halloween [[Witches' Brew | witch's brew]] line. (Alas, however, the phrase is not spelled correctly in the comic.) Also, in the [http://homepage.mac.com/witchsbrew/brews1-10/brew01.html first] comic, Homestar appears on the last panel.

===''Final Stupidity''===
In the [http://www.jediburger.com/comics/finalstupidity/004.html fourth] comic, "Obligatory Pop Culture Reference," [[Dangeresque too]] makes a small cameo on the last panel. 
The fifth comic's title, "Burninated", is an obvious reference to Trogdor. 
The seventh comic's title, "Got Witch's Brew?" is a reference to Homestar's obsession with witch's brew.

===''Sluggy Freelance'' ===
The weekly filler Meanwhile in the Dimension of Pain shows the demons deathmatching. When Horribus uses the Unholy Hand grenade and the demons are all incinerated, the panel reads "And all was laid to burnination."
[http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=040501 link]

===''SMAX''===
The ''Top Ten'' spin-off comic ''[http://www.enjolrasworld.com/Jess%20Nevins/Smax/Smax%20index.htm SMAX]'' puts Jaafs Macksun and his partner Toybox in a world of fantasy. There are several references to Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Homestarrunner.com. A wanted poster for [[Trogdor]] is on a pole and the silhouette of Homestar and Pom Pom are seen in town.
===''Roy the Duck''===
*Explore [http://home.comcast.net/~bigbluegill/mathtitle.htm Roy the Duck's math book] to find Homestar Runner and to learn how to count (see page 4 especially).
*The new ''Ye Castle's Final Houre'' [http://home.comcast.net/~bigbluegill/castlebook.htm book] says "...don't throw full glass wine bottles at the screen."
*This should really be under websites, and it also has two references to homestarrunner.com on the [http://home.comcast.net/~bigbluegill/zBay.htm zBay] page. On it Bubs is selling the [[Slightly Shotgunned Compy]]. It also contains a link to [http://homestarrunner.com/amazon.html bookazon.com] which is part of homestarrunner.com
*[http://home.comcast.net/~bigbluegill/palmstatetimes.htm The Palm State Times] on the site contains an article about [[Thorax Corporation]].

===''Universal Voyage'' ===
In comic #2 there are sprites of Strong Bad and Trogdor as a team called "Burninators!"
[http://www.bobandgeorge.com/Fancomics/UVoyage/UV.html?1 link]

===''Aminal Crossing''===
In the [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/ac/?pic=016.png 16th comic], "Were taking this baby to the mooooon!" is a reference to Strong Bad Email [[personal favorites]]

===''Zebra Girl''===
In [http://zebragirl.keenspot.com/images/entry62.jpg this Sandra's Journal! comic], Sandra answers an oddly-familiar reader email in a novel manner.

===''Sore Thumbs''===
A drugged director quotes Strong Bad's "H*R and Marzipan Dating Simulation XR" from Strong Bad Email [[date]]. [http://www.sorethumbsonline.com/comics/st20041220.gif st20041220.gif]

===''Hawkman''===
In the December 2003 issue of DC Comic's Hawkman (page 16 of issue 20, volume 4), an abusive spouse is seen wearing a black teeshirt featuring Strong Bad's face and gloves, and the text "FHGWHGAS." Unfortunately you'll have to pick up an old issue of the comic to see it. Oh well. [[date]]. [http://www.dccomics.com/features/hawkman/]

[[Category: Special Pages]]

The Brothers Chaps

Clever Ben — Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:57:01 GMT

Clever Ben: The Link broke. Just type in the URL

[[Image:TheBrothersChaps.jpg|thumb|Left to right: Mike and Matt Chapman]] '''The Brothers Chaps''' (often abbreviated as '''TBC''') are '''Mike and Matt Chapman''', native "Atlantians" and the creators of HomestarRunner.com. Yes, the amazing, spectacular, incredibly awesome people who are behind the wonders of Homestar Runner.

== History ==
In 1996 during the Olympics in Atlanta, [[Mike Chapman]] and his friend [[Craig Zobel]] created a children's book called "[[Original Book|The Homestar Runner Enters the Strongest Man in the World Contest]]." They did this out of boredom and to satirize the poorly made children's books they saw at their local mall. After writing and drawing it, they copied about 10 books and gave them to some of their friends to read for fun.
[[Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg|thumb|Looking spiffy in black and white]]

In 1999 Mike started learning Macromedia Flash and decided to practice on some of the characters from the original book. His younger brother [[Matt Chapman]] performed the voices for the cartoons and together they launched a website to show their close friends their cartoons. Word of mouth spread, and their website and characters have become a smash hit.

== Fun Facts ==
*Their father is [[Don and Harriet Chapman|Don Chapman]], a retired chief financial officer of an insurance firm. Their mother is Harriet Chapman.
*They have 3 (other) siblings.
*They were raised in a religious family.
*They have a [[Little Girl|young niece]], who is featured in several [[Puppet Stuff]] films.
*Type in this URL: http://www.emotioneric.com/ae/?adv=thefootballgame to see a collection of [edited] photographs from a football game where TBC use their superhuman abilities.

== External Links ==
Video and radio interviews are available in the [[Links]] section. 
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1480095/ Matt Chapman's IMDb page]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1053635/ Mike Chapman's IMDb page]

[[Category: People]]

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Clever Ben — Thu, 23 Dec 2004 15:54:21 GMT

Clever Ben:

HRWiki:Old STUFF

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Strong Sad

Clever Ben — Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:27:38 GMT

Clever Ben: Trolling?

[[Image:strongsad.png|thumb|Strong Sad]]

== Biography ==
Strong Sad is the depressing person. The youngest of the Brothers Strong, he is often the subject of [[Strong Bad]]'s practical jokes. The only people who tolerate him are [[Marzipan]] and [[ Homsar]]. Once in a while [[Bubs]] may say a word to him. Marzipan doesn't really like to invite him to parties, as he gets everyone down. He has an [[Strong Sad's iPod|iPod]] and loves to play board games. His interests include listening, books, listening to books, calligraphy, poetry, safety, being alone, arts, crafts, & arts b/w crafts. He is also a poet. He keeps a blog, updated sometimes, that is called [[Strong Sad's Lament]].

*'''Debut''': [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD|In Search of the Yello Dello]]
*[[:Category:Strong Sad Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

== Character Video Transcript ==
''{'''Page Title''': Poetry Slam!!}''

''{Open with a black screen. We can hear voices}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I don't wanna do a characters page!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, come on, you can do it!

''{Marzipan takes the lens cap off, and we can see Strong Sad standing in his room}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I'm not really comfortable talking to a camera.

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{offscreen}'' Just pretend like you're talking to me, or a wall, or a tree, or any of the other stuff that you usually talk to.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Ohhhhhh! My name's Strong Sad and... I have two brothers that like to pummel me every hour, on the hour. I mostly sit in my room, and... listen to music, and write, and talk to walls or trees... and wait to be pummeled... I guess I like board games more than most people. And by that I mean I like to play board games more than most people do. But by that I also mean I like board games more than I like most people. Like this one time, me and Hi-Ho Cherry-O! were playing a game of Life, and I got a phone call from... Coach Z or somebody. And, I didn't answer it because I was having such a good time with playing this board game, against this other board game...

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{offscreen}'' Okay, I think that's enough, Strong Sad.

'''STRONG SAD:''' And it got me thinking, you know? Two lovers...alive...

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{offscreen}'' Okay, okay, I'm turning it off now. ''{The camera stops.}''

== Fun Facts ==
* [[Matt Chapman]] has said that Strong Sad is the most difficult character to voice due to how delicate he sounds. If Matt strains his voice too much before recording, he actually can't do Strong Sad at all (which lead to Mike substituting for Strong Sad's one word in [[cheat talk]])
''
*[[The Skate Party]] made a song called "Strong Sad Rocks Out" with a wiki user created [http://home.earthlink.net/~mrdrama07/SSRO_Higher_Bandwith_v2.wmv music video] for the song.

== Also known as... ==
*[[Sickly Sam]] ([[1936]])
*[[Hot Tub]] ([[Dangeresque]])
*[[Strong Glad]]
*[[Saddy Dumpington]]
*[[The Deathly Pallor]]
=== [[Halloween Costumes]] ===
*[[Wikipedia:Mikhail Gorbachev|Gorbachev]]
*[[Wikipedia:Andy Warhol|Andy Warhol]]
*Vyvyan (from [[Wikipedia:The Young_Ones (TV_series)| The Young Ones]])
*[[Wikipedia:David_Byrne|David Byrne]]
*[[Wikipedia:David_Bowie|David Bowie]]

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/vcr_ss.html watch Strong Sad’s character video]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/vcr_ss.swf view the flash file for Strong Sad’s character video]

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