==ZSNES Project==
Would anyone be willing to convert Stinkoman 20X6 to an SMC file? I'm aware this would be a LOT of work to turn a flash game into a working SNES ROM, but it would be cool to play this on an SNES emulator and avoid some of the flash bugs (and frame lag).

* I would be willing, since I ouldn't mind having a ROM for my SNES emulator. I would just need to know how. I'm not very good when it comes to these sorts of things. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:17, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
==New Flash File==
[[HR:stinkogame/v3/stinkogame.swf|Clicky]]

Don't work. -Neverending Soda

:Your powers of perception astound me. I'm glad someone noticed, or everyone would be confused, thinking it worked, but not seeing the game. Perhaps you could use those powers of perception to see that this is an old post, and then see that it says "v3" in the url, but according to the [[Stinkoman 20X6#External Links|article]] it's up to v4 now. {{User:phlip/sig}} 12:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is V5 ppl!!!!! --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:18, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
==Extremely Slow Frame Rate==
Hi, I'm having a problem on all of the computers (3) in my house when trying to play this great game. Whenever I do anything that causes the level to scroll, the frame rate drops unbelievably low and everything becomes very slow and draggy. At the very beginning of Level 1.1 I don't have this problem for the first 2 seconds of playing (before I move far enough to make the scenery follow), and then when I come to a complete halt I can jump again without it slowing down. Anyone have a remedy for this, or are my computers just crappy?

:I have the same problem. —<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 19:53, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not convinced that this isn't intentional. It's very likely that the Brother's Chaps were trying to mimic the NES's inability to quickly draw frames. It's already obvious that this is a Mega Man clone. Maybe they're pushing it further than that. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]

:I've also had a slow frame rate when walking, but it's not that bad, is it? If it is, then yes, your computer is crappy. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:30, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

: *sigh* No, your computer isn't crappy, they ALL do that. It's not an imitation either, Flash is actually that slow. Also when the meteors crash, they aren't emulating anything! Flash is just that slow!

::How do I fix it? —<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 01:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

: Ask someone to port it to PC? It's.. not really a problem, ActionScript is just a slow language.

: It's often just caused becuase you either have slow browser or your browser is slow. Or you don't have much memory or you need to get a better internet service provider. It's happened to me before too. Have you tried on Mac OS X? They're quite a bit faster. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:21, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:No, memory should be fine and it's certainly not because of a slow ISP. Flash runs right off the computer. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
==Fixing spelling==
I fixed a couple of spelling errors: "parodys" > "parodies", and changed "cinema" to "cinematic". Just so you guys know I wasn't fixing the transcripted stuff. - MHG

== Where did it go? ==
It is gone... it dissapeared...

What??

== Can I be the first to say "COOL!" ==

TBC have really done it this time! Great music, title screen, but now on the Fanstuf wiki we need to call him 1-up, not Kidstar. sigh... - [[User:Ooy|Futuramaooy]]

==Like Zero Wing in 2 Ways==
This game reminds me of Zero Wing in two ways.
1. Translating errors (fake in this game, obviously)
2. Long levels with no check points. I can't get past the first level in either game. Every time you die, no matter how far you are in the level, you go back to the beginning. And you can't save in the middle either. --[[User:152.163.101.8|152.163.101.8]] 14:59, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

Actually, in Zerowing when you die, it'll bring you to a midpoint, if you've gotten that far. I've beaten the entire game so I should know. =P --nickshorts
==Difficultly fun==
This game is hard, but I found it fun. I guess I'm good a video games or something, because although I was challenged, I beat the whole game in under an hour. Can't wait for more levels. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Indeed... more levels seem an inevitability (why else do they have scroll buttons in the "CONTINUTE" menu?). As for the difficulty... well, let's just say it reflects the ''Mega Man'' series in more ways than one. ;) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
::The Brothers Chaps captured the oldschool Mega Man feel better than I would have expected. I hope they don't get sued by Capcom! [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:51, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
:::I dunno...the continute menu scroll buttons could be there just to mislead you. If so, I wouldn't be surprised. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]

==BEAT THAT!==
I beat the whole game (Stage 1.1 to 3.3) in 19 minutes without a single game over. Can anyone beat that? (I did lose two lives though) --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]

I did, and I only lost one life. I think it took me about 23 minutes, though.[[User:Ekul|The Marauding Maniac]]

My best with one life lost on the last boss:

00:00 start 
01:23 end level 1.1 
02:52 end level 1.2 
03:29 end level 1 boss 
05:45 end level 2.1 
08:09 end level 2.2 
09:41 end level 2 boss 
10:52 end level 3.1 
11:30 end level 3.2 
12:04 end level 3 boss 
14:34 end level 4.1 
17:12 end level 4.2 
19:59 end level 4 boss 
22:05 end level 5.1 
24:31 end level 5.2 
27:23 end level 5 boss (1 life lost here) 

I beat 1.1-3.3 in 21 minutes, losing 0 lives. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 01:45, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I can do 1.1-3.3 in a few minutes with no lives lost!-Amy whifflepoof

You guys have way too much free time. I can beat Level 1-1 In 10 mins and lose 2 lives!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 21:04, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I timed 139 measures of music in 5.2 a minute ago. I can't say how that compares with your score since I timed it in measures of music, not seconds. (I and noticed that I shaved about 3 measures of music taking the bottom path when the top has the huge conveyor belt, even when jumping against the belt and taking a shortcut to the bottom, and even though the bottom path has a short wait time to get the stupid platform within jumping distance. Less fall time, no ladders. I also took the bottom path when it split into four tiers - less fall time, and there's a forward-moving conveyor belt that doesn't lead to a spike along the way.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
:I cut it down to 2:02! And this time I made a bunch of silly mistakes I didn't make the first! How? Well, I played it in .swf mode and made the screen small (but still big enough that I could see it all!) Scrolling the screen in full-size mode seems to create some minor slowdown (for me), so removing that slowdown severely cut my time (I technically was still counting measures of music (116) and just did the math from there. The music's speed didn't seem to be affected no matter what I did.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:54, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
:: That's funny since I didn't even realize there was a bottom path (where that long conveyer belt is at the top path) until I just played it through again. The bottom choice later on (the 4 level option) is the one I take, since it can be very quick. You don't even need to stop if you time it right (don't stop for the bendini sister, just jump at the right time and it'll go right behind you). I managed to do <strike>1:43</strike> <strike>1:39</strike> 1:37, but that was just a quick try. I guess it's easier when you're focusing on one section without having to worry about the next.
: I'm still surprised you find the lower path quicker than the long conveyer belt. You are jumping across the belt and then taking a long jump past the Piedmonts (I think that's what they're called, anyway) instead of "facing" them, right? You should be able to go non-stop past the whole section which makes it very quick.
:: To take the top path, you have to climb up a ladder, which takes time (especially with 1-Up's lousy climbing skills. Then, you have to jump against the conveyor belt, and if the little shield guys are placed wrong, you have to spend extra effort dodging them. Yes, I jump/fall past the Piedmonts, but it doesn't save as much time as you might think. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::: I wish I could somehow record this and show you how I play through the level. There are very few places where I have to stop. Specifically, by the time I reach the long conveyer belt (I don't know if timing plays into it at all), the "little shield guys" are always placed perfectly so I don't have to really bother dodging them. Just continuous jumping. Taking the bottom path I have to stop and wait and, surprisingly, that area is really tough for me.
:::: "CamStudio" is good, if you can find it... I think it got bought out by Macromedia and you have to pay for it now. I still have the free version though and the EULA doesn't say anything about the company collapsing so I think it's still legal for me to give it to you... just say the word if you want it. {{User:phlip/sig}} 23:44, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Am I the only one... ==

...who can't get the plain .SWF working? I can play the game (beat it not too long ago, good game, can't wait for the expansion packs-of-sorts), but only using the standard link. I can't play it online or offline using just the .SWF file. Firefox stays perpetually on "Load it up". IE6 gets farther than that, as it goes to a black screen after that and never gets out. So... anyone else? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:26, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
:I couldn't get the .swf file loading on my computer. It would just stay a blank black screen. The regular game worked fine, though. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:15, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
It's working for me in IE, but in Firefox it just stays on the loading screen. edit: actually, offline it doesn't work on either. --[[User:Dark Grapefruit|DG]] 11:31, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
I think I know why it won't work offline: The game is so big it depends on multiple files to play, like the object library. I've been trying to find out names for single levels. So far, no luck. [[User:unknown|unknown]]
:Read the topic in this page with "XML" as its header. It has links to all the levels (save 4.x). Just slap 'em in a folder called "levelData" in the same directory as the game itself, and it SHOULD work. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 22:33, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
==Is the game meant to...==
Drop you into a giant hole at the beginning of Level 1.1? The game loads up, but as soon as I click play game, I get dropped into a pit until I die 3 times. Any ideas, or is it whatever glitched up [[virus]] for me? --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 02:36, 22 Mar 2005
:I hear on Fark that it depends on your browser. Try switching to another. [[User:The Lyrical Wondermind|The Lyrical Wondermind]] 19:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
::This happened to me too, while running IE. I tried Mozilla and it worked. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 19:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
:::Thank you, but annoyingly enough, I can't install any alternative browser. My administrator believes that they let in viruses. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 02:52, 22 Mar 2005
:::I had the same problem, except for me the bug happened in Opera but it worked in IE. --JZ
:Found the problem (for me at least), in Version 1.1, there's a little notice saying "Flash 7 Required". I only have Flash 6. I wonder why TBC didn't go for the full screen message, a la [[Duck Guardian]]. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 06:30, 22 Mar 2005
::Well, that's probably what your problem is indeed... but specifically, I'm guessing the game isn't loading the XML files from the leveldata folder, hence nothing happens. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:35, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

Flash 6 and under can't read the xml files. They programmed the game to run on flash 7 because the style of xml they are using is too advanced so it has to be read by flash 7. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:30, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Music==
If anyone could find the game's music files, I'd be much obliged. That was my favorite part. [[User:The Lyrical Wondermind|The Lyrical Wondermind]] 19:47, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

New!
I have a swf decompiler and can easily get the music off them, email me at sportyman27@hotmail.com and ask me for the file you want - Quinn

Same here, I was listening to it whilst working on assignments, but I found that if you open up the game and start, leave it for about half an hour without doing anything, the music just stops and doesn't come back unless you lose a life. [[User:M.J|M.J]]

The first level's music is top-notch if extremely Sonic. Not as good as Duck Guardian, mind.

:Actually, it strikes me as much more like - surprise! - ''Mega Man'' tunes, particularly the opening stage of ''MMVII''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:32, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Yeah... Both of those tunes are awesome, and I was listening to a MM7 midi file right before I played it. I thought, "Hey, that's MM music!" --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:35, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

I'm pretty sure online Flash games don't have "music files" It's been my experience that Flash usually packs all its resources (sound, bmps) into the final SWF.
*Oh, well. Maybe they'll add it to [http://videlectrix.com/videlectrix_music.html Videlectrix Music] soon. [[User:The Lyrical Wondermind|The Lyrical Wondermind]] 11:07, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::[http://www.vgmusic.com/new-files/ VGMusic] has some MIDIs in their New Files section, FYI. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 13:06, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

*Holy crap, they added to Videlectrix.
*Yes, but they only have the first 2 level's music. I wish they had more...

== NYU Demo ==

At the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005]] they showed an awesome demo to this, and as I recall, I think the sporks from 2.2 were originally in 1.1 and 1.2. The first two levels that TBC made were 1.1 and 3.1.--[[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 21:28, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

== JoyToKey (This is a little OT) ==

Anyone with a joypad needs to download [http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA016823/joytokey/english.html JoyToKey]. It's especially important for this game; really adds to the feel. Total, man. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 23:00, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Capsules ==

*The health-restoring pills are a reference to the Strong Bad E-Mail time capsule.
** They are also a reference to the Scrolling Shooter Games Menu, where you can get similar capsules to change your ship.

Tons of games have capsules and it's doubtful this is an inside reference. Didn't the original Megaman hae capsules? Granted they looked different, but I don't think this is a reference to [[time capsule]], and I think it's a coincidence that the games menu also has capsules. What's next, someone chimes in with "It may be a reference to Dr. Mario"? Sorry, I'm over-analytical so I'll keep it since others may not agree with me on this. If anyone else does though, maybe we should take this to [[STUFF]]. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 23:07, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

*** The NES Mega Man games had no such things... I don't think it's a Dr. Mario reference either, considering the Doc isn't too "retro". I think it's more likely a "time capsule" reference...

:Although I'm not sure about the games menu reference anymore, I do believe it's a reference to time capsule because:
*They are identical looking
*In time capsule, the pill gave him an energy boost.

I'm pretty confident that it's a [[time capsule]] reference myself. It DOES look exactly the same, and Stinkoman interacted with that capsule too. Don't name individual video games, though. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

== About the Gas stoves... ==

What's the big deal? I feel that Homestar Runner's world is on a different plane of reality. It obviouslty is, but in saying on the official Wiki page that gas stoves are supposed to be obsolete by 20X6? What is 20X6? 2016? Gas is most likely to run out in 2025 in OUR world. In Homestar's world, there may be abundant reserves of oil. Have you ever seen anyone drive a car(for real) in Free Country, USA? They may well use mainly solar power. Any oil lamps in Free Country? well, I just thought it necessary to comment. Thanks for reading it.

--[[User:geoguy91|geoguy91]] 00:43, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

20X6 refers to the megaman games where the dates would be 200X or 20XX where X was a variable for any year.
--[[User:68.253.238.103|68.253.238.103]] 01:20, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Wrong, actually it's a reference to ''Metroid'', which took place in 20X5. Same idea, different game. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 01:28, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== CONTINUTE? ==

Early on I added a comment about the CONTINUTE item in the main menu being misspelled possibly intentionally, but it was removed in the revision http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Stinkoman_20X6&diff=56256&oldid=56255. This still exists in Version 1.1. I guess this item was removed because it was too obvious, given that the poor translation is already specified? Just wondering.

== this and peasant's quest. ==

in peasant's quest, it seems the cookies expire after you close your browser window.

is there a way to tweak the cookie to not die, or is it supposed to keep active and i just need to adjust cookie settings?

*Must be your browser settings. Works fine for me. --JZ

*Not really. On my computer, I can save a Peasant's Quest game for months, no matter how screwy it really is. [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]] 15:36, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

== Continute not working? ==

I got all the way to level 2.2 before I got a Game Over, but the continute button wouldn't work. Is there a problem wth my browser, or maybe a new version of Flash Player I need to get?

I've had the same problem. Anyone know why the continue function isn't working?

"Continue" remains greyed-out for me as well. My browser's set to accept all cookies from homestarrunner.com, and I can't see anything in my Flash prefs about denying local storage (it's set to allow homestarrunner.com to store 100K of data currently). For reference, I'm running this on Linux, Mozilla 1.7.5, and Flash 7.0.25. [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 14:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

* Ah, seems that v1.3 has fixed the problems. My system is now allowing me to access the continue menu. [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 12:52, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

' Happened to me too. My guess is the versoin change from 1.0 to 1.1 --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 16:14, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here's a key point: The continute button only becomes available after you've beaten the game regularly. That had me thrown off for a while...until I beat it!

*Seems to be fixed in v1.3.
** Indeed it does. Works for me now. [[User:sekhmet|sekhmet]] 12:52, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Glitch ==

[[Image:stinkoman-glitch.png|thumb|220px|Stinkoman stand on air!]]
I found a little glitch in the game, just wanted to share :)
It's in Level 1.1, you'll probably recognize the spot. I'm guessing the box for the ledge on the right side passes through the wall.
*Looks like it. I've noticed that before. Looks pretty funny actually.
*Well, its because stinkoman is actually standing on the land on the other side because on these games you can stand with one pixel of the shoe on the land and the rest in the air. Try it on other lands.

*Hey, the game is now apparently v1.2 I think this glitch has been fixed.
::Nope, it's still there. I don't think they'll bother fixing it, it doesn't make any real difference IMO.
*This is so stupid! I got all the way to level 2.2, and got stuck in that place you can't escape (I never died out), so I refreshed the page, and I looked at the continue button, only to find it didn't work! I am so fed up with this! Someone better find some way to fix this, 'cause I'm not playiong through all that again! Stinkoman moves way too slow to have to go through that excruciatingly tempoed sidescrolling nightmare again! Can someone please fix this, or find a solution, that doesn't make you have to play the game all over again? Much thanks in advance.
**You must have a slow computer, no name. The game isn't really as annoying on fast ones, where it goes smooth. Anyway, I have no idea what place you are talking about. I don't know any traps in level 2.2. (Maybe you should look at the [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough|walkthrough]]?)--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:07, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
** I'd fix it, but I don't have the flash or the website, soooo... That's weird

== Stinkomanual? ==

Am I the only one who can't find this, whatever it is?--[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]

* It should be a link right under the controls button at the start menu?

==Filmography?==
I've been wondering, does this count as an appearance in Stinkoman Filmography, or do games not count? --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] 20:57, 23 Mar 2005 (GMT)
*On this site, I'm sure there'd be no way to stop people from saying so. However; I in all due respects, say if it's a FILMography, it's for FILMS. Go see if there's some kind of GAME-ograpgy if you want to count that!
**IMDB lists video games in filmographies. --JZ

== Save file ==

Does anyone know the name of the file which holds the save data for the game? I have downloaded all the other necessary files but I want to have a save file in there so I don't have to play through all the levels again (Yes, I have beaten the first 3.)

On XP it's the C:\Documents and Settings\<USERNAME>\Application Data\Macromedia\Flash Player\#SharedObjects\<randomID>\www.homestarrunner.com\stinkogame\stinkogame.swf\stinkoman.sol file.
I haven't checked, but I imagine on 9x/ME it's in the C:\Windows\Application Data\... folder.
No idea on other OSes. [[User:Travis Wells|Travis Wells]]

== <s>Level 3.1</s> Level 3.2 -- HOW!? ==

How do you beat level 3.1? Do you have to collect some fixed amount of gold or wait a certan amount of time? I can't beat it!
:Collect 20 pieces of gold from the rain drops. I believe it tells you that when you start the level. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:22, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
::Oops, I didn't read that. Well I got to 3.2, but now I can't get more than 4. Every freakin' piece of bread is surrounded by like 50 other things. Plus, there's one piece every like 50 screens.
:::You have to collect 10 pieces of bread, and each bad item deletes a bread you got. That's really all there is to it. A good idea is to just avoid everything until you reach a bread all by itself. It's not really as hard as you say. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:08, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
:::::Little tip; Bread usually come in clusters. if you hang in one spot and dodge all the bad things, you can get about 2 breads.

== Proofs of more levels ==

Is anyone else really annoyed by all the fun facts in the "Remarks" section that say "This is shown in the game so it means there will be more levels"? I'm not going to get RID of them, because they are true, but it seems pretty obvious by the MORE LEVELS SOON screen that there will be more levels. We don't need any other worthless proof. [[User:ComputerBox|Tom H]] 12:22, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Do you have to beat the game to get that screen? 'Cause many haven't beat'd it yet.
:Yes, but it's in the section anyway. Or at least it should be. [[User:ComputerBox|Tom H]] 12:54, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Low Quality...! ==

Hey...I just noticed something...the game is initially set to low quality. If you make it better, it just looks more blurry. --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 18:46, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Yeah, they always make the games with a classic look. Sometimes loads faster that way. --[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Is no good for you ==

I think the 'Don't drink, is no good for you' is a reference Tuco's line in 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly'.
*I think more likely it's a reference to the "don't do drugs" messages a lot of arcade games used to have (still have?)--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 18:35, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yep, they still have them. --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 11:24, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Doesn't work on OS X? ==

I simply cannot get the game to work here on OS X. I've tried different browsers, HTML and SWF, visiting mirror sites -- every time the same thing happens: when I click new game and get past the little startup movie to the part where the character appears on the screen, I simply cannot get Stinkoman to move. None of the keys seem to work. He just stays there and waits. Any ideas? The keyboard works in all the other games. [[User:AaronSw|AaronSw]] 23:55, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)

:[http://macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash Do you have the latest version of flash?] --[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::Yes.

:If you don't click on the actual flash file (example: clicking around the actual game) will make it so the game doesn't respond to your commands. Click the game to see. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 20:17, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

== Add an article on custom levels? ==

I think we should have an article on it, and provide external links to all levels people have made. Who thinks this is a good idea? -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 14:33, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
:I think that's what Fanstuff's for. Not that I know for sure, I've only messed with the main Wiki. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:05, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Yes, that is what Fanstuff wiki is for. That's the whole reason it was created- fan material. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:But an article about level editing might be okay. --[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Current Level Editing Status ==

Has anyone made anymore headway into level editing? I've got the whole thing working locally, and can even edit the XML files to make simple changes, however I do not have the time nor experience to make a level editor.

Additionally, in the XML files, the <D> field seems to just be an object count, but what could <sT> be?

I think some serious inspection of the SWF file and the code is needed before we can do full-featured levels. especially for cT types.

Also trying to figure out how to launch the level editor - I see the entire class. Is there a Flash debugger where I can call a function/object at will?

:I just finished a level editor, after all kind'sa studying that <sT> stuff. I'll try to get it out soon. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

I already have a great working editor for this game. I had it finished a week after Stinkoman first came out. A new version has just been released. Check it out here: http://www.geocities.com/joesarcade/stinkoman.zip or here: http://joesarcade.hopto.org:8093/stinkoman.zip
superjoe30@gmail.com

*The cutscenes don't work... And you can't create a dumb wall level. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 08:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*But how COULD you create a Dumb Wall level? This thing is great. I already have an evil, evil replacement for 1.1 and part of a 4.1 replacement (1-Up is placed automatically.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

I didn't include the cutscenes in the package because you don't need them to make levels. If you want to watch the cutscenes, play the real game.

*Actually, once you publish it, the cutscenes work. [User:11wowirocksomuch11][11wowirocksomuch]

== Fading Blue Boxes ==
I didn't want to post this in the article, but I don't think Flash would generate those fading blue boxes. I um, really don't see how. Besides, how would there be such oddly shaped boxes? I thought it was just a Nintendo thingy.

It was a reference to Nintendo games that left those artifacts. --[[User:ackicantthinkofaname|ackicantthinkofaname]]

== Article on custom levels ==
I made one where you can put the code for your custom level [[HRFWiki:Stinkoman 20X6 - CUSTOM LEVELS|here]] on the fanstuff wiki. Should I put a link to it on the Stinkoman 20X6 page? --[[User:Color Printer|Color Printer]] 16:29, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
:I don't think so as of yet. If levels are added and stuff, and a tutorial on how to do make a level, then sure. But that's my opinion. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:46, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

== When you see a boss... ==

When a boss comes up on the screen, some voice shouts something. Do you know it says?

Catsmeat

Something on the lines of "Are you asking for a challenge?" You could have found that out on the walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:49, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

Yeah.. That's Stinkoman.

In level 5 it's "I want to be the guy too!", though. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 10:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

== Tonberry reference? ==

In the manual entry for "pooru-pooru", it states, "Land on one and it's DOINK for you!"
I swear this is a reference to Tonberrys from the Final Fantasy series. Can anyone confirm this?
--Bdragon

Doink is a sound word. It's just another case of <strike>ottomatopeia</strike> <strike>otamatapia</strike> <strike>otttamadapeia</strike> I can't spell it, whatever it is. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 21:16, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

: I believe you want: onomatopoeia

==Update Ahoy!==
Stinkoman 20X6 has been taken off the H*R website. TBC are probably updating it. I can just smell new levels! -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:50, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* I sure as heck hope they are! I was going to try to play it (I haven't in a while) but it was gone! --MessedRocker (not registered)

:Me too! I'm almost certain that it's an update on the game. I '''CAN'T WAIT!''' --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 21:12, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* Well, I think we should all join hands and pray with all our hearts that [[Trogador]] is finally publicly revealed! -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 11:39, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Have you played it? Is he in there? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

* I doubt it. Trogador page:"According to TBC, he is likely never going to be used on the site." [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 12:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Uh, uh, uh! You stopped a little short there, pal. The full sentence is "According to TBC, he is likely never going to be used on the site, but they may yet change their minds." I think that they ''might'' put him in there as a boss, but that's just me. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:58, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* The game has been updated with at least one new level. --[[User:63.202.45.187|63.202.45.187]] 22:20, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

* A beatable, npcTrogdor? Cool! I just whipped 4.3. 10 euros says they'll never rescue Pan-Pan. (Who kidnapped him anyways???)
::I'm predicting a Stinkly Man appearance soon. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:14, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::It was the same silohouette(where's the spelling fairy when you need it?) that kidnaps 1-Up. It was da Coach!

* Well, there appears to be no Trogador throughout the new level, but we'll see. When I heard them say that they probably wouldn't use him at the NYU thing, they seemed pretty unsure, so just pray. -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 02:49, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*I wouldn't even want him in the game. I love the new level, though. Great difficulty. Too bad I beat it in a few minutes. No new power up?? Then they could have at least let me keep that fist... [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 11:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*Man, the new level is really hard! The others were a snap, but I just can't beat the "puzzle" in 4.1! --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 20:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*It looks like the "barking" sound that 1-UP makes in the level 2 cutscene (following the level 1 boss) has been removed. It's present in the level 4 cutscene (following the 3 boss), though. Bug?

*When you get to a boss level, and loose a life, is it just me or does the floor disappear in later lives (and hence you fall through and loose immediately)?

*New levels...'''YET AGAIN!''' Man, TBC are just cranking out the levels now! It's great! ...but I can't beat level 5.2... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 20:28, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
*Ahem, TBC just "cranked out" Level -0(8) and I can't play it. That's dumb. But I totally think that the shadow guy (thought to be 20X6 Coach Z) should make an appearance as a boss. I just love "the mask comes off" episodes, so when the shadow guy is revealed, he'll scream or something. That'll be hillarious. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:33, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Level 6==
*I wonder what level 6 will be like. I know you control stinkoman again, but any other ideas about it? --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 01:43, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
**Maybe it will be where the final boss is the silloute dingie. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 01:44, 13 May 2005 (UTC) again
*It will most likely have a cloud-like design, because several of the next, unseen platforms and hazards have a cloud-theme. (I know this by working with an editor) -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 01:46, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
* Or maybe and ice world, almost every video game has fire and ice levels. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
** There probably will be an ice level (Level 4 counts as a fire level), but it won't be level 6, which is almost definately going to be in the clouds: [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=104724#104724] --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 14:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
*Maybe 1-up has to get back from the moon via space station, or to make it even more fantastic, he has to bomb a Death Star maybe. Or... Pan Pan has been sold to bounty hunters and you have to get him back...[[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]] 15:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

*We shall soon see, I went to play Stinkoman just now and it wouldn't load, but the address bar said it was version 4. You know what that means; update, more levels, WOO!

Oh and I realize level 4 was a fire board, I not that dumb.[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
*It's already up, though I didn't notice it on the main page. And let me tell you: 6.1 wasn't that bad, but 6.2 is EVIL INCARNATE! Those stupid rising-and-lowering electrical outlet things almost never fail to take one or two units of life from me each, there's precarious jumping everywhere, and so far, I've only found one Power Crunch - pretty far in, too (though not as hard to grab as it looks.) --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 18:26, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
** Urgh. Finally made it to the boss - with two units of energy left and no reserve lives. It's a tornado with glasses, BTW (don't know its name because I can't get the Episode 6 portion of the Stinkomanuel to load. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 18:38, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
** The boss is evil too. Finally made it with three lives, but it didn't help (thanks to the lack of checkpoints and the ability to start at any reached non-boss level, I learned that there's no reason not to restart when you lose one life in a stage - except that it takes a little bit longer.) --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 18:47, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
*** The boss has a pretty predictable pattern, so he's pretty easy to beat. The only problem is that he takes so many hits to kill that if you make a few stupid mistakes, you're screwed.
*The one thing that really got me on this one was level 6.2's ending. Level 5.2 was hard enough with the several Downtants, but the platform that you need to reach in order to beat 6.2 was unbelievably difficult. If you didn't time it just right, you were dead. It took me several tries to get it. I didn't find anything else so difficult about level 6.2, I was able to get to the end-area with 3 lives and full health usually, after all the losses on the end platform. In the end I finally beat it. But then again, level 7 won't be any easier... unless it's something like level 3. --SBEmail22
*Level 6 was ridiculously easy. It was really rather anticlimatic after level 5 was so hard. I spent days on level 5. Level 6 took 15 minutes.
*This is one of the hardest videogame boards I have ever played. Level 6 is almost unbeatable, kudos to TBC for giving this video game nut a good challenge (pardon the pun) [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
*The lack of checkpoints '''kill''' me in this game! I always get to the last two disintegrating clouds (on level 6.2) and then jump, but the freakin' up-down bar crap drops! AGH! I can even see the * Flag! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 18:14, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Tip: In order to finish level 6.2, you need to jump onto the clouds when the trap is down. Once you reach the platform, immediately jump. THis will make you reach the flag platform. Maestro-not logged in

== Did Anyone Else Get This Glitch? ==

So I'm playing through my favoriate scene 2.2, and I get to 2.3, mr. big bird starts attacking.
Its 11:19PM and I don't care, so I let myself die... Bird's feet weaken me to my last power-up, then the beak attack does me in... I have 2 mans left, but the return of the challenge hasn't a floor... I fall to my doom... and it repeats... V.3 of the game... What's up with this?

* Happened to me, too, in both V3 and 4. Same thing happens with level 1's boss fight. No idea why. It worked fine in earlier versions. Happens with both locally-saved and website copies, in Firefox and IE (same plugin, so that's not surprising). --[[User:The Archon|The Archon]] 23:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

== Shadowy Figure Revealed! ==

At the end of the boss battle in 5.2 take a chose look at the mysterious figure. He has a perfectly round head with a what looks like a baseball cap. Which makes him 20X6 Coach Z.

Mystery solved.

Whoa... Couch Z! You sit on him and watch your old Star Wars movies! Hey look! I found a quarter! [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

*I fixed the spelling, you know there are nicer ways to tell someone they made a mistake.

I knew it all along. Seriously, that was quite obvious. I think his name is Coach X. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree, I also do know he will be found by who I call "Cheat-o-oki". Too obvious... [[user:Mr.NiceGuy|Mr.NiceGuy]]

== Don't read this if you like the game ==

I don't want to start a flame war (even though I probably will), but I just have to say that I'm really starting to hate this game. Aside from being pointlessly difficult, it doesn't really capture the fun that Megaman (and games of that era) had. For one, Megaman was about killing enemies with cool weapons, not hopping around on platforms and avoiding indestructible saw blades. Sure, Megaman had that, but it was never the case that the best strategy was to avoid enemies (which seems to be the case in Stinkoman). And what's up with the fact that you inevitably have to go completely out of your way in order to get a power pill, which means that after you're done backtracking your power is most likely right back where you started. The storyline is completely flat, and seems to revolve around the characters sitting at home, and then leaving home to go somewhere, and just generally ignoring the storyline. It's probably just me, but after suffering though 6.1 I have no desire to continue on to 6.2. Granted, they're working with limited media, but still... [[User:24.239.141.162|24.239.141.162]] 22:41, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm with you on the difficulty, brother. I don't see anything else wrong with the game. But that's just Videlectrix.

Oh, wait, did I mention Edsmilde has a level editor so that you can make it easier or so? It might help. -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 22:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's the point. Not to make it a "cool" game, but to make it funny, like everything else on the website. [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 22:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
:But.. It would be funnier if it was only one level and you didn't have to play through it... like Super Kingio Bros. [[User:24.239.141.162|24.239.141.162]] 23:24, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but that would suck. At least this one is a real game. [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 23:32, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

If it wasn't too much of a hassle (since a lot of the difficulty has to do with jumping), it would be nice to have different difficulty levels. As it stands, this game is too ''easy'' for me, but I know people who have trouble with the first level. I guess it just depends on what you're into... I happen to love the game (as much as one can love a game, anyway).

== Object Library Links ==

Is there any point to having the object library links (cutsceneds/xml/etc) at the bottom of the page? I saw that Philip added them there in the last few days, and I'm wondering what the point is....you can't do anything with them really. (Unless i'm missing the point) Should we remove the links? --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 14:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not entirely sure whether to remove them or not. They can be used to mod the game, and I guess he thought that only a few people could find them in my post in the [[Talk:Stinkoman 20X6#XML|XML]] section. I'll leave 'em for now, and see if anyone else has any opinions on this. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 18:14, 18 May 2005 (BST)

:Well I figured we link to things like the virus'd Sketchbook and such in [[virus]], so I may as well put all those links there. Besides, my reasoning was that this is a wiki - if it shouldn't be there then someone will remove it. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 04:24, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

::Someone has. Unfortunately, it was Trogga, and he has a reputation for cleaning a ''little'' too much up, as seen in this edit [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sightings&diff=78777&oldid=78657 here]. No one else seemed to have any opinion about this, so add 'em back if you want. I think I'll put them on my user page actually, to preserve the links. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:44, 23 May 2005 (BST)
== Quick Tidbit For Level 6.2 ==

Lets say you make it all the way to the bluetant and 3-prong... near the end...
choice a) go up and avoid two 3-prongs, then dodge ligtning & two saws...
choice b) kill the bluetant, manage up some difficult evaporating clouds, face a bluetant, lightning & two 3-prongs as if you made it past choice a.

Tidbit: if you're any good at this level, and you can make it up choice A unscratched... then do not kill the power-crunch bluetant (or if you do, then don't get the power crunch)... go up choice A, make it to the bluetant... if you kill the bluetant, unharmed, then awesome! Only two lightning bolts and two 3-prongs to go!!! However, if you want to beat the boss, you'll need all your life... say you make a mistake and lose two lives...

backtrack to where choice Bbrings you... right before the 2 bolts and prongs... go down the clouds, and you'll have a powercrunch awaiting for you... then go back up the EVs, because that's the easiest, least deadly... you don't have to worry about that bluetant, and just go through the bolts and prongs again... do it good, full life... beat the boss... kick the mouse... and see the same TV that Stinkoman has...

yeah how to do it:
1) the cloud starts coming at you, when he does it, and on his first land, run imeediately to teh first place he lands for what reason you ask:? so when hekeeps going you can shoot him, only shoot at his sun glasses , its seeming to be the only place that harms him, keep this up, You will then have some lightning shoot after the 2nd time, run just one distance away from the edge of the screen ( so the tornado doesnt get two shots on you )whichever closer to avoid it. Now if you keep this up for three times, the tornado will shoot around 5, just stay close to him to avoid them. then run away , say to the left, and he will land one place, run to that spot and keep on shooting. I just developed this strategy, and woudl you believe it, a Mouse.. a mouse was causing all of that - thats got you wanting to play even more to see if im telling the truth!
--John

== Trolling ==

Someone (looged out at the time) did tons of trolling on this page. I fixed it now, but a list of what they did can be found [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Stinkoman_20X6&curid=5991&diff=87772&oldid=87769 here]. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:30, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

:Go report it at [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 01:46, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Thank you. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:48, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

== Looooooong Fall ==

The reason there is a looooooooong fall on level 2.2 is that you keep climbing up and up yet brody is on the kitchen floor. This won't work in level 6, provided with the fact all clouds look the same, not like the kitchen counters.-Amy Whifflepoof

== Magic Pockets? ==

Did anybody else think that the level 6 boss was reminiscent of the game Magic Pockets? The boss is a giant whirlwind that bounces and shoots bubbles from its top. In the first stage of Magic Pockets, the character attacks by throwing whirlwinds that bounce. If the fire button is held long enough, the whirlwinds are large and spit smaller whirlwinds from their tops. (There might be a powerup needed as well, I'll check up on it)

That sounds great, but the tornado reminds me of the mouse with sunglasses boss in super mario advance who throws bob-ombs at you. Um.. it's probably a Magic Pockets ref, though......

Quoting from the page "Liekand could be a reference to Super Mario Bros. 2 where the boss of the 4th level was a flame wearing sunglasses called "Fryguy", along with the fat mouse refering to the first boss, "Mouser". The bubble sprite used for Liekand's attack looks like the same sprite used for Wart's attack in Super Mario Bros. 2.". It seems like the character's drawing on multiple references already. Being a newbie, I'm unsure about the procedure for adding mine (there doesn't seem to be a Stinkoman 20X6 category on STUFF,for example).--[[User:Electric Monkey|Electric Monkey]] 21:42, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how I'd vote on it, but there IS a Stinkoman 20x6 section on [[STUFF]] - or, at least, there used to be if there isn't now. It's under "Games". If it doesn't exist, feel free to add it if you want to STUFF a fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Powercrunch? ==

I think we should change all the "Powercrunches" into "capsules". In the email, the red and white thing was a capsule, and the powercrunch was the tape. When 1-up takes Stinkoman's powercrunch in the game, it is also a tape. --[[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 16:01, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, they're two different things, with two different usages, the capsule is for restoring health, and you can ask Joshua about what the power crunch does... --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 15:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that's what I was trying to say. The Enemies list and walkthroughs have the capsules listed as powersrunches. I think we should change those so they say capsules. --[[User:68.236.19.26|68.236.19.26]] 15:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think you have a point. I don't believe that the capsules are ever called power crunches, but the tape definately is. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, this has been up for two weeks, and no one seems against it, so I guess I'll just change them. --[[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 13:12, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Bread and Clowder? ==

When I beat level 3.1, (and this was normal, by the way) on level 3.2, I saw a clowder! I don't get it. [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

That's happened to me before too. It's just a simple glitch that happens if you exit the level RIGHT when a clowder is about to come on screen. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:56, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

That's happened to me. It started when I was watching my brother play the game. My brother started playing 3.2, when a Mr. Ubbers fell down. We started to laugh. - [[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]]

== LEVEL 7 ==

Level seven is freaking hard i can't even get passed 7.1.:(
*Eh, the levels are kinda tough, but the boss is easy. -[[User:Ironcladlou|ironcladlou]] 15:40, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:We have a [http://forum.hrwiki.org Forum] for general discussions like this. Please use it instead. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:44, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:If you are having trouble not being froze to square, just keep on punching or jumping. Be patient with the retractable ladders.{{User:Rogue Leader.sig}}

*I'm with Ironcladlou. That boss was ridiculously easy and the level was of only slight difficulty at best. Save level 5, this game has been a cakewalk.

==What's a URL==

What's a URL?

[[Wikipedia:URL|Wikipedia knows]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:44, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Links to game files==

Does anyone know the links to all the files so I can download them to my computer?

:[[User:Venusy#Complete list of files used to mod Stinkoman 20X6|Yes, we do!]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:25, 5 July 2005 (BST)

== Controls? ==

Should we add a controls section in the article ? --[[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]|[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|♥]] 23:25, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Nah, the game already has a section on it, and it displays them at the first level. [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]]

Talk:Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level -0

2005-08-08T18:37:16Z

oopsyoubwokeit: /* Music */

== Cleanup ==

This page needs:

<s>
*Any POV removed.
*Sentence mechanics fixed.
*Conformed section titles.
*Similar formatting to previous walkthroughs.</s>

—[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:21, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm ZerosVIII, I made the Walkthrough right before registering an account (I was an Anonymous user at the time I made it)
I apologize for any errors made while I made that, as well as anything I did that didn't follow the usual walkthrough format.

--ZerosVIII

:That's okay. To quote someone from Wikipedia, "You don't have to make an article perfect, just make it better." There are other people who would love to clean it up. Thank you for your walkthrough. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:36, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I've just been in there and did a major edit; I hope this helps everyone. ZerosVIII, you wrote a great walkthrough, and you've really helped out the wiki.

I'm leaving the cleanup tag in there until someone else gets a chance to look at this. If anyone sees something that I've missed, you know what to do.

--[[User:Teplotaxl|Teplotaxl]] 13:52, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Name Consensus ==

I was just wondering, should we call "NEGATORY" level 8 or level -0? Because different people are calling it different things, and that could confuse people. I'd say that -0 is probably the better of the two choices. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:15, 1 August 2005 (BST)

:I vote for -0. It's not called Level 8 anywhere except the internal code and the main page. It's called -0 everywhere in the game so that's what we should call it here. That sort of reasoning has been used often before, and I think it makes sense. {{User:phlip/sig}} 17:06, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)
==what the crap?==
did anyone else notice the wierd advertisement that spoke one time durig that level?it said like:"you can get a XBOX 3 and a plastation 5 for only somethin' dollars bla bla bla"and i forget the rest, and i check my bar on the bottom of my screen, no pop ups but it only happend once......any coments?

That's some spyware you've got there, I'm afraid. I remember one time I was infected: at random intervals, a disembodied voice would whisper "Carl's Jr.". --v

thanks for that info v. i have spyware remover anyway..

==WEIRDED OUT!==
I thought level -0 was TOTALLY WEIRD! And so did everybody else I believe.-[[User:Gordon 584|Gordon 584]]

:I think the levels are a bit confusing, and the fact that you can't hurt the boss's 'Tants is kind of wierd, but I think that the only really messed up part is the level number. -0 isn't a number, and the first half of the level is usually .1 more, the second half .2 more, and the boss .3 more. It should have been level -1, and sections -0.9, -0.8, and -0.7. [[User:DanielLC|Daniel]] 22:48, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Shadowy Figure ==

Obviously, the shadowy figure is 20X6 Coach Z. You can tell because of the kind of hat he is wearing. I do not know if this is true, but it seems pretty obvious.
--[[User:The_Ugly_One|The Ugly One]]

: I noticed that too. --[[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]]

um how do you go here????

==Stinkoball Z==

Anyone think the similarity in Stinkoman's blast in the cutscene to the Kamehameha of Dragonball Z fame should be noted? -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]]
: No. Too generic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:44, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Music==
Is it just me, or is the music on Level -0 a mix of all the other musics? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 02:33, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
*No, I thought so too. First it's L1 music, then swaps to L5 music or something. --[[User:silverwing99|silverwing99]] 00:10, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It's exactly this: 5,2,4,6,?,6,? then repeats. - [[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]]

== Explanation for wierd platform? ==

The wierd floating platform at the beginning of this stage has a fine white line: just like the dotted walls in various Pokemon games.--[[User:silverwing99|silverwing99]] 00:11, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

2005-03-21T20:40:23Z

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When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is really long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==

===[[Fourth Wall Breaks]]===
====Strong Bad wants a cartoon====
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own.
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place? This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to "decline" the entire idea of logging "fourth wall breaks"... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. "So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...") - Dingell

===[[different town]]===
====Beastie Boys====
"This next one is the fourteenth song on my forty-second album" is a paraphrase of the Beastie Boys' [http://www.beastieboys.com/] introduction to their song "Jimmy James" on their album "Check Your Head". In that song, the Beasties begin by saying, "This Next One, Is The First Song On Our New Album..."
*'''Comment''' I STUFF'd this because it seems like a big stretch to me. I'm sure the Beastie Boys aren't the only ones who have said "this next one is the first song on our new album."
*'''Decline.''' Agreed - many bands have said this and it's way too common to be attributed to any one source. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:24, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:06, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:AwesomeSauce|AwesomeSauce]] 20:53, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:50, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[little questions]]===
====Monty Python and the Holy Subtitles====
The pseudo-Swedish subtitles are very (too?) similar to the opening credits of Monty Python's Holy Grail.
*'''Decline''' There is a very key difference between them. In Monty Python, the subtitles are meant to look like they're in a foreign language when they're not. In little questions, they are meant to look English, translating pseudo-English being spoken to a Swede. That's not close enough for me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:00, 14 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' Entirely different subtitle gags - they just happen to share a common language. Also, the Holy Grail subtitles are not accompanied by the original audio that the subtitles are translating (I *know* there isn't an original audio track - I'm making a point here). And one more thing, the subtitles in 'little questions' are in English, not even QUASI-psuedo-Swedish. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:03, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''"Second."''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:07, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crying]]===
====Crying like we've done before====
This is the second time a H*R character cries, the first time being in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*'''Decline.''' Unimportant, uninteresting, unacceptable. I don't see any reason to make note of this at all. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:47, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The word "second" is an immediate disqualification for this being a viable item.
*'''Decline.''' Not very fun or interesting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:12, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' And did you know that "Homsar" is the second e-mail that Strong Bad appears in? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Seconding all the declines above. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Though I did post a similar fun fact in Homestarloween Party using the knowledge from this fact. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

====All y'alls====
"All a y'alls" is taken from [[sb_email_22]].
*'''Decline''' A slight stretch. I don't think Strong Bad said the exact same thing, and he may have said "all a y'alls" In another toon or sbemail. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:09, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I live in Houston, and I hear "all y'all" about 749 times a day. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
**True, it's a common saying. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''' Agreed. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[New Intro]]===
The HTML filename (intro.html) does not match its SWF counterpart, named newintro.swf. intro.swf is the Flash file for the Old Intro.

*'''Accept'''. Nothing wrong with it that I can tell of; why was this STUFF'd? Oh well... --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' This is just like the Flash MX fact below. Who cares what the file is called?[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' While file naming is notable in instances where there is an intended gag (as with E-mail #100 and the fake 100th e-mail page), this one doesn't even bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:54, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Second''' As Homestar said, "Boring." --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[2 emails]]===
====Ladies' Choice Awards====
"The 2003 Ladies' Choice Awards" is most likely a reference to "The Kids' Choice Awards", which is hosted by Nickelodeon each year.

*'''Decline.''' They could be talking about something else. Maybe a '''Revise''' could also be in order; lest we forget the People's Choice Awards? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:11, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline Second'd.''' It's probably more a reference to People's Choice than Kids' Choice since the former has been around longer. In any case, this joke is obvious enough that it doesn't need explanation. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:14, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' It's a People's Choice reference...
**'''Second''' Also Critic's choice awards--[[User:Saddy Dumpington's Soolnds]] 16:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:49, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[dreamail]]===
====those weird little kids====
It is quite possible that Strong Bad's reference to "those weird little kids" could be refering to the Scooby-Doo cartoon series.

*This seems like sort of a stretch to me. Sure it's possible, but I don't think it's likely. There's nothing to imply that this is the case; Strong Bad could be referring to anyone. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Strong Decline.''' Nowhere in the context of the email is anything that may narrowly resemble Scooby-Doo. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:56, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Maybe if he said "those weird little kids and that dog" or more obviously, "those meddling kids", it would more "quite possible". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:17, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Responding to the previous two''' He says in the same sentence that he's solving a Celebrity ''Murder Mystery'' which is what the Scooby gang did all the time. I don't much care for that series myself, but it's probably true. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Accept/Rephrase''' There were many other cartoons like that too, it may not be that particular one, but it's most likely a reference to that one since it's the most well known. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline.''' I don't think Scooby actually ever dealt with a murder, let alone a celebrity murder. But even if he did there isn't anything in the e-mail to suggest a connection to Scooby. Strong Bad doesn't even mention a cartoon in the sub scene. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:58, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:51, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' You’re joking right? ‘Those weird little kids’ could be a reference to a lot of things; ''Village of the Damned'', ''The Ring'', ''The Shinning'' etc. Besides Scooby and the gang are teenagers not little kids. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

=== [[old comics]] ===

====Strong Bad is an Old Man====
Strong Bad says that he appeared as a guest in the Castlefunnies comic strip, which he later notes was cancelled prior to the "dry pencil scare of '47". Since the email clearly takes place in 2004 (as noted at the end), this makes Strong Bad at least 57 years old.
*'''Accept''' [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 15:49, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' or even better '''Move'''. Excellent observation, but I think it would serve better on Strong Bad's and Homestar Runner's character biographies, stating that they must both have been born prior to 1947 according to this email. --[[User:62.252.224.13|62.252.224.13]] 16:19, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' I put up this fact, and I think it's useful and "fun" as an anecdote, but it probably shouldn't be taken as a hard fact within the Homestar universe. Just to note a few contradictions that would arise if Strong Bad were in fact this old: (1) We probably wouldn't be able to have a VHS tape of Little Strong Sad performing stand-up comedy at school, (2) If the King of Town was already King in 1947, then The Cheat must have "mashed play on an extremely expensive jambox" before 1947, because the king was still a prince when said jambox-mashing occurred in sbemail 100, (3) A fiftysomething man goes trick-or-treating, and his mom helped him with his costume (Homestarloween Party)? Seems a bit strange. But anyway, I think it's worth pointing out the age factor.
*'''Comment''' I'm not too sure, I mean, the email is really just looking at it as though the character of Strong Bad was used back then(since, as just a character, the age wouldn't matter. The idea for Strong Bad's character could've been around then, but then later used in modern day times, like, for example, Popeye or Mickey Mouse, for whom age isn't an important factor.), but it's presented through Strong Bad's point of view, thus implying that he would have aged since then. Sure, one could note that "Strong Bad has been around for 58 years", but saying that Strong Bad himself is over 58 years old doesn't work for me. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Decline.''' I can't see any proof that the Castlefunnies actually "happed". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:47, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE.''' Some of you are reading way WAY too much into this. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:56, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Wow! Maybe old timey Homestar IS regular old Homestar...nah. Its a joke used for one e-mail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Very interesting, but it should be reworded. This isn't Strong Bad's age, it's just him showing that he knows that he's an unaging cartoon character. It's a forth wall break. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 10:48, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept and rephrase''' It is interesting, but maybe it should be rephrased into the passive, saying "If it is true, Strong Bad would be 57 years old." That, or we've caught Strong Bad making things up, and there never was a Castle Funnies.[[User:Aaronite|Aaronite]] 6:32, 17 Mar 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, this is radiculous. Definitely not fun in any way... And probably not accurate either. It's just a joke. A one-time joke. Get over it. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:00, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Worst prize'D, Ding''' People, we have encyclopedias, we can look things up. Just because we know things about the revolutionary war, doesn't mean that we're 200 years old. We go to school, and we learn things. So there. --64.136.27.226 18:01, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Um... you should READ the fun fact before you vote for it. Sure, just because you know about the Civil War doesn't mean you're 200 years old, but what about if you FOUGHT in it? Because the "fighting in the Civil War" metaphor paralells the fact in question, not your post.

====The Strong Mad Ate Pasta Salad With Homestar's Spoon Controversy of Aught-Five====

The spoon in Strong Mad's easter egg is the one Homestar uses as "Colonel" of the Homestarmy.

*'''Decline.''' Need we bring up the ketchup example? Too general. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:05, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd!''' Hmmm, is ''anyone'' getting the picture that TBC reuse things all the time? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:42, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Apparently not if the STUFF'D fact below is any indication (oh, and '''second'''). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''' This one IS too general... (however, the one below is not) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:39, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' Holy crap! This cartoon is the 192nd time Strong Bad's head appears. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:11, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[best thing]] ===

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

*'''Revise and Accept.''' The second half is unnecessary - just say it's the same guitar that appears in Puppet Time. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:50, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Heh, just realized that if this fact is accepted, it'll need a little more in it:
The guitar Space Gary tosses is the same guitar shown in Puppet Time.
::--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:21, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Facts that are about re-used items are usually rejected outright. Puppet time or live action items shouldn't be excempted from this. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment.''' I disagree about live-action items. Given that there aren't that many live-action shorts, I think it's quite notable... in this particular instance. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
***What, they're going to go out and get a new guitar everytime they need one? I stand by my vote, its no different than the other times they re-use stuff. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Again, I respectfully disagree. It's different when you're dealing with small things like a can, or a spoon, or a bottle of ketchup - I agree that when it's reused more than once, it shouldn't be included. A guitar, on the other hand, is not a small thing, and in the context of this toon, it's a very noticeable item. And given that this is (possibly) the first time that a live-action shot was included in a SBE-mail, I think it's notable. I do agree that not every re-used prop deserves its own fun fact, but I do think that this one DOES deserve mentioning. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*****C'mon, the guitar also shows up in the 100th e-mail along with Limozeen. Its not important enough to point out everytime it shows up. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
******Geez, lighten up... for starters, that's in an easter egg, not the main cartoon. And as I said before, live-action bits in an animated series are special cases. But this bickering is meaningless - unless someone else votes, it's at a deadlock. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*******'''Decline.''' Since you said it was a deadlock... I think it's a silly fun fact. I'm sure the Brothers Chaps don't have new guitars lying around for every time they want to put one in a toon. Of course it's always the same guitar. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 20:40, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' Quite frankly, I find the "TBC re-use items all the time!" argument to be weak. This is a place where people look for connections between toons, and while not EVERY re-used item deserves a mention (the Wiki would be clogged with entries about ketchup bottles, old cans, and wooden spoons), there must be certain times when the reappearance of re-used items is notable. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
* Right right (and I'm the one who needs to lighten up). Look, the guitar also shows up on the Limozeen poster in Haircut. Is there going to be a fun fact for that appearance as well? It doesn't matter whether the guitar shows up in an easter egg or as part of the main cartoon. Its a re-used prop, not any different than TBC re-using the animated props. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**I think the point I'm trying to make is that in those other instances, the guitar is not an active part of the toon. The fact that in "best thing" the guitar is *tossed* from animated to live-action makes it noticeable, and therefore, notable in the fun facts. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
** Um no, that still just makes it a PROP. And it still doesn't change the fact that its had other appearances before Best Thing. In fact, it shows up almost everytime Limozeen does so its safe to assume it'll show up again in the future. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***"Almost?" I think not - it doesn't show up in their picture in [[monster truck]], it doesn't show up in their [[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-cards]], or any of their other appearances besides the easter eggs in [[haircut]] or [[flashback]] (which are the guitar's ONLY other appearances besides [[Puppet Time]]). Still, there's a difference between a prop that's just for scenery and a prop that is an active part of the action - in the easter egg appearances, it's just held with no explicit reference being made to it. This isn't the case in Puppet Time and Best Thing. And my reasoning for the weakness of the "TBC re-use items" argument is that the average viewer won't say "Hey, the Brothers Chaps re-use that guitar cuz they can't afford to go out and get a new one each time they wanna put one in a live-action shot" - the average viewer is more likely to say "HEY! That guitar looks just like the one Homestar takes away in 'Puppet Time'." An electric guitar is a noticeable item, other minor props like a bottle of ketchup or an old can are not - there is a diference, end of story.--[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Theres a bit of a flaw to your reasoning there guy. The use of the guitar isn't meant to be in refererence to anything. Its not important or central to the gag at hand. They could've used the black guitar for all it mattered. It would not have changed the joke at all. As I keep saying, ITS JUST ANOTHER PROP. If someone had posted that the guitar in Puppet Time was the same one in Flashback would you have rejected that fun fact? In fact, since you have to go out of the way to view the easter eggs its logical that pointing out the guitar's appearances in Hair cut and Flashback are more important than the one in Best thing. After all, if not everyone is going to see the easter eggs then its decidedly harder to note the use of the guitars. And thats what fun facts are for right? Pointing out stuff that people normally wouldn't notice right? So if we wouldn't point it out for the easter eggs why should we point it out here? But you go ahead and be obtuse and declare victory all you want. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***There's a flaw in YOUR reasoning - it's more central to the gag at hand than either of the easter eggs in Haircut or Flashback, someone DID point out the guitar's appearance in Flashback, no I wouldn't have rejected it (being only the second time it's been used), and going out of the way to get the easter eggs does NOT make it more important than the reference in Best Thing - in fact, the easter eggs make them less important as they're not an integral part of the toon. And I'm not being obtuse, you're being argumentative (as usual). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' It also can be a fun fact as this particular instance(unlike the cans, ketchup, ect...) was difficult to notice. I hadnt recognised the guitar's similarity in the two toons even after watching each toon 3 times (as i do with most toons). --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:50, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Accept''' I found this fact interesting. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:29, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cancelled after first episode====
There are five shows that were cancelled after their first episode:
:'''You're in the Picture, CBS, aired 20 January 1961'''
:'''Turn On, ABC, aired 05 February 1969'''
:'''Co-Ed Fever, CBS, aired 04 February 1979'''
:'''South of Sunset, CBS, aired 23 October 1993'''
:'''Dot Comedy, ABC, aired 15 December 2000'''
Of the five, '''Turn-on''', ABC's attempt to copy NBC's "'''Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In'''," was actually cancelled by several affiliates during the first commercial break!

*'''"SEVERE DECLINE!"''' (Changed from "Weak Accept...") --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' While this is an interesting fact, it really doesn't have a place here, being that none of those shows have anything to do with HSR and the only connection is being cancelled after one show. Interesting, but not relevant enough. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''--[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:47, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline.''' It isn't relevant. Plus, the addition of the show "The Will," which was cancelled earlier this year by CBS after only airing one episode, makes six. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:13, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG ACCEPT!!''' I think it's fun and interesting. The show that you said was cancelled after the first commercial break must be reference to the strong bad e-mail "'''montage'''". At the end when the credits are rolling it says that strong bad hosted a show on Animal Planet that cancelled after the first commercial break. The strong bad show also might be a reference to a show on Animal Planet that was hosted by Collin Mochrie that cancelled quickly. --[[User:s t i n k o m a n K|s t i n k o m a n K]]
** Fun? Interesting? Perhaps. How about RELEVANT? Sorry, fails that test. '''DECLINE''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline''' There was also a show called "Aliens in the family" that got cancelled after one episode. There are just too many shows to list for this to be a viable fact. And a '''second''' on Jay Jay's vote. It isn't relevent anyway. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Actually, Donny, Aliens In The Family lasted only two episodes before it was cancelled. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:45, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
** The ABC affiliate where I live only showed the first episode. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Space Gary & Facegary====
"Space Gary" is almost certainly a reference to the popular JamesWeb series, [http://www.jamesweb.co.uk/index.php?jw=facegary1 Facegary].
* '''Decline''' Could also just be referring to "Space" (i.e. Cartoon) Gary vs "Real" (i.e. Real) Gary. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:49, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
**Second
**Third - JZ
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Delete.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:56, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''STRONG DECLINE!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:45, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Parappa the Noodle ====
Bozar turning Limozeen's instruments into noodles could be a reference to the Playstation 2 game, "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaRappa_the_Rapper_2 Parappa the Rapper 2]".
* '''Decline''' Man, a lot of severe stretches this week. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:36, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second'''; too big a stretch to me. Then again, I've not played ''Parappa'', but this doesn't go very far as to convincing me. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:46, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''Accept''' I play the game on a regular basis, and the correlation seems strong enough. Might want to change the specific PTR2 reference to a series reference, since there are three games in that series. --[[User:blackbelt|blackbelt]] 1:39, 14 Mar 2005 (EST)
*Could be, yes. Is it? Most likely not. '''DECLINE.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:10, 16 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' Explain why it could be a reference. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:04, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Yeah, how is it a referance? I've only played the first game. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

'''NOTE: the following has not been put on the actual page, I wanna see if you agree.'''

====They Might Be Giants reference?====
Larry talking about the Alternative rock band "...and the lead singer wears Glasses!" may be a reference to [http://www.tmbg.com They Might Be Giants'] John Flansborgh.
*'''Decline.''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It could be about TMBG, or a hundred other alt. rock bands where the lead singer wears glasses. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 07:31, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' And it's '''Flansburgh''' not "Flansborgh". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:13, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third'd''' --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Neutral''' I thought the same thing for a second (it makes sense) but its too vague a joke to put a specific face on it. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of bands like that, such as Linkin Park.
*'''Decline.''' The lead singer may wear glasses, but is the bassist a girl? --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:09, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''DECLINE TO THE MAX WITH A VENGANCE''' TMBG is made up of The Johns, the Dans, and Marty, none of them are girls...
** Two things: 1) SIGN YOUR VOTE. 2) The part of the line in question is posted above. The part with the girls isn't there for a reason. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:38, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Flash MX====
This flash file version of this e-mail is named sbemail126_mx.swf instead of sbemail126.swf, because the email was made in Flash MX.
*'''Comment''' I don't see why making it in Flash MX would make it have MX at the end or why TBC would be compelled to have it say MX just for the fact that it was MADE in MX. And that's my ¢2. --[[User:67.177.52.133]] 17:16, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Ummm.... I HAVE Flash MX, and it doesn't do that, nor should that be gloated upon so furthermore, '''Decline'''. -- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava]]
*'''Decline''' Even if it were true it doesn't matter enough to have it pointed out. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Revise, accept''' As there is no proof to the usage of Flash MX, do not include that part. However, I found it interesting that this particular flash file is named diffrently from the rest. So, try:

The flash file for this email is called sbemail126_mx.swf, instead of the normal sbemail126.swf.

:Signed: [[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 11:57, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Much like the "newintro" item up above, this one is not that interesting and really doesn't bear noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

*'''Decline.''' This rambles and makes no sense. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:24, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
* '''Revise, Accept''' Rambles? Perhaps. But I understand what it's saying - the cartoon looks like it's from the 80s, but Larry's comment at the end makes it seem more modern. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:19, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Second t3h second'''--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:20, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' I thought that was the joke. [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:01, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Although elements of the Limozeen in Space cartoon such as the animation style and mention of the popularity of hair metal bands seem to suggest that it would have been aired in the '80s, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 19:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I like this rewrite. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:31, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:28, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Alternate Rewrite''' Just to make it a bit shorter: "Although Limozeen in Space seems like an 80's cartoon, Larry mentions DVDs at the end, which first hit the American market in 1997."
*'''Decline''' While in many ways it seems like an early 80s cartoon, the alternative band reference also places it in the 90s, at least. Strong Bad seems to have an affinity for woefully outdated things (Rhino Feeder is his idea of a modern video game...)
** '''Second''' Changed my vote. I keep thinking that this fact should work but I dunno. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* '''Rewrite, Accept''' --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

*'''Accept''' I didn't know that. Good fact, I think.--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:21, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' What? Do you mean that the claw is SIMILAR? Because the Kick the Cheat Demo isn't in an "animation" style, it's in the regular style. The claw is definitely not the same one. (And even if it were, TBC reuse flash items all the time) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''"STRONG ACCEPT!"''' Good eye, good eye! --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 13:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' It does look the same but I don't think its worth noting. Like Evin said, TBC re-use stuff all the time. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== Guy With a Metal Jaw ====

With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble Trap-Jaw; one of Skeletor's henchman in [[Wikipedia:Masters_of_the_Universe|the He-Man tv show]], another popular 80s saturday morning cartoon series.
:Or, Dr. Claw from the Inspector Gadget cartoon.
:Or, Baron Underbite from The Venture Brothers.
:Or, Malak from SW:KOTOR (At least with the head and voice)
::Which, in turn, could have been designed to resemble another character from an 80's saturday morning cartoon show
:Or, Hacker from Centurions (a cartoon created in 1986)

*'''Revise''' Condense this somehow. Like 'With his mechanical jaw and arm, Mitch Overlord seems designed to resemble any number of cliche cartoon villains like Trap Jaw (from He-Man), Dr. Claw (from Inspector Gadget)' etc.. etc. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:32, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' Get rid of the word "designed" in the rewrite, and it's good to go. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:12, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== See you in syndication ====

Larry's comment joining them next time 'In syndication! Or maybe on DVD!' could be a referance to short-lived shows like ''Clerks'' or ''Family Guy'' which after they were canceled begain airing in syndicates on other networks or on collectors DVDs.

*'''Decline''' It's pretty standard industry practice to show a cancelled show in syndication, even the wildly unsuccessful ones, since it makes the studio money. The recent phenomena of releasing everything in DVD format is just an extension of this. At any rate, this is way too obvious for a 'fun' fact, and we don't really need a thousand edits of this once everyone has added their own favorite, unjustly canceled show. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 18:44, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:05, 10 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' It actually happened the opposite way with ''Clerks'': It was realeased on DVD then syndication. The joke is fairly obvious anyway and doesn't need a fun fact to explain it.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== The Beatles ====
The alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts may be a reference to The Beatles - The "girl" bassist (Paul McCartney, who was known as the "cute one"), the short-haired drummer (Ringo Starr), and the bespectacled lead singer (John Lennon).
*'''Decline''' The Beatles are not an alternative band, they were not responsible for destroying metal, and the bassist is not actually a girl, so I don't see why this would be a reference to the Beatles rather than a stereotypical alternative band. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 15:56, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' This one should have simply been deleted, for the reasons stated above. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:19, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Hmmm... I can't figure out if this is a serious comment, or just a joke about how many other Beatles references are on the page for this one. At any rate, definitely not relevant. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 08:50, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Bad's cancelled Animal Planet show ====
Strong Bad's show that was cancelled may also be a refrence to Limozeen in Space being cancelled during it's pilot episode in best thing. (Originally posted in [[montage]], but would make more sense the other way around and posted in best thing, IMO).
*'''Decline''' I really don't see why. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 16:59, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' They are similar events, but there's no connection between them. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:05, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Move''' It's a re-used joke, sure... but a clear reference? Seems a bit of a stretch. Maybe it would be better to toss up a new page about the instances of this and linking to it on the [[Inside Jokes]] page (where it seems like it would most belong). --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:02, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Decline''' It's simply a re-used joke or a running gag, not a clear reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:21, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Background Goof ====

When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

*'''Comment:''' I was going to put it in there, but I wasn't really sure how well it'd go over; chances are this is some minor joke or something that I'm not getting. Soo... is it a Goof or not? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Move, then Accept''' Maybe you could move it to real-world references, because old Hanna-Barberra (or whatever) cartoons obviously looped too. Though the noticible seam thing is worth thinking about. Hmmm... I think it should be used as a reference to cartoons like The Flinstones. But I'm rambling. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:07, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' This is a decent reference to the common practice of looping backgrounds in cartoons, and the Fun Fact should reflect that. This item should be split into two parts - one regarding the looping and the other regarding the noticeable seams. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:14, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Babylon 5 ====

"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold is in question)

*'''Accept:''' Babylon 5 is similar enough to Groupulon 5, and it's the same genre as both Star Trek and the email itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' It's my opinion that for the reason above the Babylon reference is much stronger than the Star Trek reference. If the B5 ref is a stretch it seems to me that the ST ref is equally stretchy. [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:51, 20 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline:''' it seems too much of a stretch to me. personally i think it's just a generic sci-fi sounding name that they came up with.[[User:Keab42|Keab42]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:25, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Sergeant Marshie]] ===

==== Marshie's Initial ====

His first initial is 'M'.
*'''Decline'''
**'''Second.''' But sign your vote →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:33, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's great kid. You want a cookie everytime you point out the obvious?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 16:00, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Third, fourth...'''I think you get the drift. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:58, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*Shouldn't it just be "His initial is 'M'"? We don't know that he's got any others. Also, fun fact already noted in the [[Cheat Commandos...O's]] Fun Facts. So '''Decline'''. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]]
*'''Decline''' As it is, this item is mind-numbingly obvious - but even if you're referring to the easter egg in the Cheat Commandos...O's toon, it's also already noted on that page as well. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:23, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. It's major obvious that his first initial is "M", because his first name is Marshie. He doesn't have "Sergant"
his name. DO THE MATH! --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:13, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[colonization]] ===

==== Until next week... ====

This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[stunt double]] ===

==== Big wusses and lesser wimps ====

If it is true, that "Only big wusses and lesser wimps use stunt doubles.", then Strong bad is a big wuss and a lesser wimp, because it is obvious that Strong Sad is the stunt double. This is quite contrary to most of his comments across the site. Such as, on the "First time here?" page, he says, and I quote, "Check me out, no, seriously check me out."

'''VERDICT:''' This item was unanimously Declined after two weeks of voting. Moved to [[Talk:stunt double]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:35, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[dragon]] ===

==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====

The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".
*'''Weak decline.''' Doubtful. "appears to be very similar." So you're not sure whether or not it's similar? I think that TBC just wrote their own stuff. Even if it appears to be similar, that doesn't mean it had anything to do with the creation of the the song. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 21:23, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe second'''Severe seconding a weak decline,--[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[rock opera]] ===

==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====

"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis
*'''Severe decline.''' Just because something sounds like something else doesn't make it a reference. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:41, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Severe Second''' --[[User:67.177.52.133|67.177.52.133]] 17:28, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Ticked-off Third''' -- I just think it's stupid. That's all.
*'''ULTIMATE DECLINE'''. It was just three words toghether from three different emails. Why was ths STUFF'D? --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:16, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.
* '''Decline.''' Didn't consider this a "fun" fact at all... --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. It was well observed, but as a 'second incidence' it isn't much fun. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 13:37, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."
* '''Weak Decline.''' Felt this was a bit of a stretch, though I did wonder if it was a reference myself. Still, "Rosebud" is the last dying whisper of Citizen Kane, while Rose-face is anything BUT whispered. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 16:50, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Too much of a stretch, IMO. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:14, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.
*'''Decline.''' I don't think that they were purposefully referencing the Pizzaz Pizza oven. The two words are just spelled similarly. (Also, there was a restaurant where I live called "Pizza Pizzazz," but you don't see me putting that down as a fun fact) :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 10:02, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong decline.''' I don't think that this this really is a "fun fact." It's barely a fact. It's incidental at best. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 09:50, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''SUPER DECLINE'''. Why it was a fun fact probably has to with some people make stuff y'know, with words from bigger words. --[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:19, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====

At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

*'''Decline.''' Good thinking, but this is definitely not a reference. This isn't the first time this stage has been shown (See [[A Decemberween Pageant]]) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 16:29, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
**I just watched ADP, and the part of the stage in question is not visible. Perhaps I should look in the email where the stage appears (I don't remember the name right now). [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
***In the very first scene after marzipan says "Homestar, I don't think those are your lines." That's when they show the whole stage.
**** Hmmm...how did I miss that? [[User:24.58.44.43|24.58.44.43]] 19:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===

In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''''Note:''' this submission created the section on STUFF, but named it incorrectly as "[[Where The Cheat Is At?]]". This is referenced at least once in the votes below.''

*'''Decline and also, who cares?!''' And sometimes Homestar's shirt is a lighter shade of blah blah blah. Fun facts are meant to be FUN, okay? You didn't even get the name of the cartoon right! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' - yeah, it's a nice detail, but not really all that worth mentioning; too minor. (And Donny, nothing personal, but that was pretty harsh, man. Might want to tone down before we hurt someone's feelings...) --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 23:02, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'd''' →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:58, 22 Feb 2005 (MST)
** I'll tone you down my lord! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment'''Just to give you a head's up, Donny, those were the ''rudest'' words I have ever heard. Realize that this is a cartoon, ''' '' PLEASE '' '''. If you ever spoke like that in the real world, you would get your butt kicked.
***'''Comment''' Uh-huhhhh...1) Sign your post. 2) Scroll up. People are saying far ruder things than I did, including the person who told me to "tone it down". 3) I was blunt not rude, boo hoo. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****To be frank, what I said didn't really seem rude to me. I'm not particularly sure how you can say that my politely asking you to tone down is far ruder than coming up to somebody's face and practically calling them an idiot. (Unless you mean something completely unrelated?...) Also, being ''harsh'' to somebody's face like that IS generally a rude thing. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 09:41, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
**** To be frank, I think that saying "Well this is a stupid fun fact" and then proceeding to rip apart the contributor with a SB quote is pretty rude. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

=== [[Everybody Knows It]] ===

Like Strong Bad's "mask", Homestar's "shoes" are really his feet. So technically, he doesn't wear shoes.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was unanimously Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Everybody Knows It]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:49, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[time capsule]]===

The gross old wig is probably the wig Homestar wore as part of his Kurt Cobain costume in Homestarloween Party.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was unanimously Declined. Moved to [[Talk:time capsule]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:52, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[secret recipes]]===

====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====

Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

*'''Decline.''' Bratslava isn't a country, nor is it even spelled right! The correct spelling is Bratislava, which is the capital of Slovakia. The only one who could even really be considered a reference is Bumdumborge, and even that's a stretch. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** '''Second''' The Luxembourg reference is TOO obvious, and the "Bratslavia" too wrong. The former Yugoslavia would work better, but it's still pretty obvious that SB was just making up country-like names off the top of his head (similar to Dortugal and Prance.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:23, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
** Yeah, but at least Dortugal and Prance ARE real country names, only with the first letter changed. These ones are just totally random, and not correlating to anything, so... '''Second'''. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 16:27, 15 Feb 2005 (MST)
*Maybe that's why he said it was an obvious reference. And, if anyone cares to know, someone revised this fact, so this STUFF really isn't necessary. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:27, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**...and I wrote this one. But give me a break! I'm not from Europe, and I was wrong. Get off my back. Like I said, It's been changed. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:39, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Why the hell do you think nobody's commented on this since February 15? I know it was changed. We all know it was changed. Why do you think I STUFFed it in the first place? In a way it was to get it to be changed! Word to the wise, acekirby13, next time you try to post a fun fact, make sure it's as factual as possible. That doesn't necessarily mean it'll stand up in a court of HR Wiki law, but at least you won't be laid to ridicule as much as you were here. And if you're this sensitive to criticism, then don't post here at all. Nobody likes a crybaby! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 08:22, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Calm down, Kerrek! Nobody likes a smartass either. [[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:23, 10 Mar 2005 (EST)
*****Maybe not, but he shouldn't have complained about my STUFFing his fact.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 06:39, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
******Who's complaining? I simply stated why my fact was so dam wrong. Your face doesn't have to turn the color of the Reddest Raddish because of that. And, at least I admitted to such a terrible mistake. I'm sure that more than a couple of users haven't stood up and admitted to their STUFFed facts. ...anyway, its over and done, so lets drop it, or this could turn into a pretty bad flame war. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:12, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*******Whatever, bro. Just be careful what you post in the future, and don't threaten me again. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 11:26, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Strong Bad's Poopaw====

The reference to Strong Bad's poopaw is one of the first four times, after "Homestarloween Party", "The Facts", and "Pizzaz", that Strong Bad is mentioned as having any other relatives besides Strong Sad. The number of times that Strong Bad is mentioned as having any relatives at all, has got to be at least twenty.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:secret recipes]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:54, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[crazy cartoon]]===

====Eh! Steve====

Eh! Steve returns in e-mail 84, [[kids' book ]].

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was overwhelmingly Declined. Moved to [[Talk:crazy cartoon]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:57, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===

On Bubs' Concession Stand, the lights look and behave like the the lights from the [[Astro Lite]] Game.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is already noted in the transcript and is unanimously Declined. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:58, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

*'''DECLINE'''-- It's just weird. Unsettling.
**Whats unsettling about it?--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:03, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Decline'''-- I don't find this item to be necessary at all. If anything, it's the *only* time, because they try to do things different with the credits with each new toon. This is, at best, a running gag, and shouldn't be placed on this toon's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:15, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[no loafing]] ===

==== Car? Not no more. ====
Strong Bad says "his cool, cool car" in the beginning, but later says he has no car in the e-mail car.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was unanimously Declined. Moved to [[talk:no loafing]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:27, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===

==== Coincedincem ====

According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

*'''Decline.''' TBC reuse flash items a lot! So, I guess it's not a coincedincem. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:35, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:31, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
***'''Third.''' The movies themselves take place in 1936, which was a long time ago, coincedemtally.
****'''FOURTH'D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:34, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Keep.''' It's poorly worded, for sure, but I never noticed it before and think it's interesting enought to keep. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:25, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:27, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
***'''Fifth'D!''*** It Sucks! TBC recycle stuff so their brains don't get screwed!

=== [[other days]] ===

==== Tappity Tappity ====

When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

* Although it was deleted as "not fun", I'm not too sure that it deserves it. Your opinions? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:03, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad often clears the screen by just typing more, analogous to a 'soft return' onto the next page. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:39, 6 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' Who cares? Fun facts are supposed to be, well, FUN. They're not about picking out every insignifcant detail. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' Yeah its a good fun fact? all ya'lls are too picky [[User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*'''Accept.''' Seems to me like a good fact. It's definitely a glitch if TBC usually use the 'enter' noise. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 17:20, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
**You know Evin290, TBC mock fans who use logic like that (Homestar does NOT have a stupid uncle egg). [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*** Are you taking a H*R line way too seriously in order to convince people not to take a H*R way too seriously...? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:58, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
**** '''Comment.''' I'm just saying that it's probably worth having because it's out of the norm. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 20:19, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline!''' On most of my computers I use, it's usually the SPACE BAR that sounds different, not the return/enter key. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:28, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' On my computer, both sound different. Anyway, I think its good enough to be in there. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Decline''', If we acepted this than we'd have to accept all the other fun facts that mentioned a slight, often unimportant, difference. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' That's a good point. Too bad you didn't sign your post. [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**Did now --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:26, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
***Ok then. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]

=== [[radio]] ===

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.
*'''Neutral''' What do you guys think?
*'''Accept''' It sounds like a good fact. I mean I didn't know it. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Second!''' -[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 08:24, 12 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Interesting and certainly not common knowledge. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' Considering TBC live east of the Mississippi, they probably used it because it just sounded better to them than using a "K". [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]]
*'''Weak Accept''' Not really anything groundbreaking, but the standard for naming radio station call signs based on relation to the Mississippi River isn't necessarily common knowledge. However, like the above voter said, it could just be coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:30, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:59, 13 Feb 2005 (PST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept.''' Another poorly-worded fun fact. Add info about TBC's geography for good measure. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:30, 10 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Terminally Confused''' Free Country USA was never a place, so trying to map out its probable location is redundant. -Walking Armless
*'''Accept''' I never knew that. I like it. --[[User:24.159.113.2|24.159.113.2]] 15:57, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' It's kind of a cool fact, regardless of whether it was done intentionally or not. --[[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Accept...almost''' It's probably true...I think. I live in New England, where the radio stations are W..., but when I took a trip to California, the radio stations were K..., but I need more proof that the Mississippi River determines it. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:46, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' There's some border between K and W, according to the FCC. If if it was ZSBD, Free Country USA would not be in any plausible place in the States. --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:31, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Here's a [http://earlyradiohistory.us/kwtrivia.htm document] that explains K/W radio call letters. Note that there are exceptions to the general rule (e.g. WBAP in Dallas, KDKA in Pittsburgh). -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:26, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Accept now''' Thank's tomstiff, thats just the proof i needed. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 18:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment''' Heck, I *LIVE* in Pittsburgh, and I completely forgot about KDKA... Still, it's nice to see that explained. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Comment''' I wonder if WSBD is a play on Atlanta radio station WSB. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:36, 12 Mar 2005 (CST)
** Uh... if anything, it's just a joke on '''S'''trong '''B'''a'''D''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' I'm not sure if it's true because I didn't research it at all but it is interesting and not common knowlage --[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

====WSBD in Ohio====

There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

*'''<s>Possible</s> Decline''' This might not be a fact at all, since the only positive reference I could find that listed a WSBD in Cleveland is [http://www.cisworldservices.org/newsarticles/news_wsbdradio1.html this page], which is likely a mistake by the author of the CIS webpage, as there is a [http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?call=wspd&x=0&y=0&is_unl=Y&is_lic=Y&is_cp=Y&sr=Y&s=C&sid= WSPD] radio station in Toledo, Ohio with a newsradio format. Could anyone (possibly from Ohio) positively confirm or deny this? <s>(Note: Fun fact not removed from page)</s> --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 09:01, 7 Mar 2005 (MST) A bit of fact-checking on the [http://www.fcc.gov/ FCC website] has not turned up any licensing information for the WSBD call-sign, which pretty much indicates that no station exists with those call letters. It's technically possible that a radio station WSBD may have existed at one time, but not anymore. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 10:32, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Seconding above. Might this reference be a play on Atlanta radio station WSB? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23;40, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)

===[[origins]]===

====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====

In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)

====Señor & Mr.Bland====

Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

===[[funny]]===

====Awesome Sauce====
Is "Awesome Sauce" a reference to "[[Awexome Cross]]"?

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was overwhelmingly Declined. Moved to [[Talk:funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Guitar -> Shark====
The only possible interpretation of the guitar turning into a shark is that a bass (guitar) is being confused with a bass (fish)? Which would be the only reason to say "seaworthy"? Unfortunately there are no references on the Internet to "seaworthy bass". Am I missing some other joke here?

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was unanimously Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:06, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

====You Big Mouth!====
This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth, unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:12, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Math again====
"Smartly Pretty" is spelled all in math terms/symbols. Such as a plus sign in place of the "T" in Smartly. This is the second time in which Math has been connected to Teen Girl Squad, with the first example being in the email [[virus]], in which the numbers of PI were an issue number.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:12, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Soulbait ====
The Bass Guitar turning into a shark is most likely a reference to the music video Soulbait by Code of Ethics, which features musical intruments turning into fish.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:12, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== CGNU ====
The Girls probably go to CGNU, where Strong bad is the principal.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:12, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Paper Doll Style ====

This is the only cartoon in which TBC use the "paper doll cut-out" visual style. Another older toon to have a unique visual style is In Search Of The Yello Dello.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:The Reddest Radish]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:14, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

*'''Decline''' Its not the first time a character was created based on a throwaway gag (Homsar for instance).
*'''Accept''', since it's a fairly interesting point.
*'''Accept''' This has been confirmed by TBC as the original source of the name "Stinkoman". I think this is significant enough to note here as well as in "japanese cartoon". - [[User:tim333|tim333]]
*'''Modify, accept.''' Say that this is the first instance of the name Stinkoman. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**Second. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:03, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' - GOOD example of forward referencing. Much unlike that "Eh! Steve" one at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 19:34, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Fairly obvious and already noted on the Stinkoman page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====

The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

*I would have to say '''Decline''' to both of those. [[The_Brothers_Chaps|TBC]] probably have just been reusing cool ideas. Not any relation to future.
**Second that.
**'''Second''' --[[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 09:49, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I doubt that Strong Bad salting his foot was in anyway foreshadowing another e-mail. Especially if we don't know if they had recieved the interview e-mail at that point.
**'''Second''' Plus both of these are already on the pages for the japanese cartoon and island emails
**'''Second''', but you guys need to sign your votes or they don't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:06, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:24, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Seems perfectly reasonable to me. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

=== [[2 years]] ===

==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 09:04, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Oh, like: "E. Fullmer's name could be Ed Fullmer, a play on Elmer Fudd" or "E. Fullmer's name could be Evan Fullmer, a disc jockey in Georgia I know, and the brothers chaps are from Georgia." --24.21.86.243 00:19, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**TBC claim not to have come up with any of the content in the e-mails Strong Bad answers, so the name is probably not a joke. Maybe someone who has experience with the LDS church could comment on whether it's common for an elder to sign in that fashion.--[[User:216.231.36.102|216.231.36.102]] 09:35, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Don't suppose this matters much now, since it's verified that he was a Mormon missionary, but for the record no, it's not common at all. I'm a Mormon, and I've served a mission myself, and I've never seen "Elder" abbreviated like that (before). But apparently there's always a first time... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 02:19, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
****In fact, actually, the more I think about this the less sense it makes. Not only is "Elder" in my experience never abbreviated to "E.", but it wouldn't make sense for him to be referring to himself as "Elder Fullmer" in the first place. If he's sending an e-mail saying he's going to be gone for two years and unable to access the web, that means he hasn't started his mission yet, and he wouldn't be calling himself "Elder Fullmer" yet. Okay, I understand someone says this guy is a friend of his coworker and he was indeed a soon-to-be Mormon missionary, fine, but...did his first name, by any chance, start with E? Because that would still make a lot more sense than the "E." standing for Elder when Elder isn't abbreviated that way and he wouldn't be calling himself Elder yet anyway. In fact, the personal testimonial notwithstanding, this rings false for me on enough levels I'm going to have to vote '''Decline''' on this one unless some more direct evidence arises. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 16:07, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:gwr2004|gwr2004]] 11:15, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)
*Didn't someone say they actually knew E. Fullmer, who is indeed a mormon missionary? Wait... [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=7029&highlight=#7029 yes]. Of course, that may not necessarily mean anything, but I still say '''accept''' either way. - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
:I'm going to have to '''Accept'''. Because it's true! And 216.231.36.102, it's not terribly common for missionaries to sign things that way, but I think he did it so people could get the joke without being so blatant as to write out Elder. I do know that H*R is saturatingly popular at both USU and BYU, so there would be plenty of people to get the joke. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:16, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept'''. Click on the link above - this is a verified fact. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:23, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept''' -- I didn't know that. Definately an interesting tidbit and should be accepted as long as there is enough supporting evidence to merit the assumption. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:12, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' I think this should be reworded, because it has been verified. Something like "E. Fullmer is a Mormon missionary, which explains why he will be absent for the next two years," or something. [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
**'''Decline the above revise, accept the original''' The original is a plausible enough explanation, whether it's true or not (and a lot of fun facts are based on more sketchy information). However, I would decline the above revise because someone posting on a message board about 'the best friend of my coworker' is not the same as verification. I should know... my brother's boss's former roommate was the guy whose stomach exploded because he mixed Pop Rocks and Coke. --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 00:29, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====

According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

* '''Decline''' He could simply be there, or visiting. You don't have to belong to a country to visit it, or even to reside in it. (Jim Carrey wasnt amercan until recently but he lived there for years).--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Please sign your vote. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*** Did now--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:15, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If that was the case, the sign would read "Population: Tire, Bundt Cake Pan, Coach Z, and Strong Sad." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:59, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===

==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement. --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
Oh yeah, I used the SWF file for this, and I had an insane amount of time because that's the only SB thing I had during my vacation...

*'''Revise but Accept''' This is very interesting, although we do not know how far off the screen the grabbo arm goes. You should judge by the ratio of the hight of the diamond-shaped workings of the grabbo arm and the length of the grabbo arm itself to find out how long it actually is. Then determine how long it is in proportion to Strong Bad. Needs a bit more work, but it could be a very interesting fact!
*'''Decline.''' Hmmm... TBC don't really pay attention to scale (see the DVD commentary for [[flag day]] and [[new hands]]), so I don't think this method of figuring real-life measures of length are relevant. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 21:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.'''-- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:13, 15 Jan 2005 (CST)
*'''Neutral''' There's a way to find out for sure how far off the screen it went. Save the Flash file to your computer. now squish the window verticly then stretch it out so you can see it in sort of a WIDESCRRRRREEEEEEEEN version to see what you don't on the webpage.
*'''Decline.''' This particular item isn't really that 'fun', is it? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:41, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' You stretched it, not that big of a deal. --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

*'''Accept''' Yes, this is just a copy and paste, but it is interesting and fun. It suggests a similarity of the internal workings of the two devices. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' Although this ''is'' a "glitch," I do agree that it is fun! --[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:56, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' Yes, TBC reuse things occasionally. This is because they are using Flash, and can copy and paste. These fall under "Glitches due to Flash software" above and do not make good fun facts. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Reusing something =/= glitch. A glitch is a bug or something messed up that happens even though it's not supposed to. Before you start criticizing others placement, you might want to consider working on yours. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 19:14, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
***Second to the part about calling these 'glitches'. --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]

==== Slippers ====
*Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Blade man ====

The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====

The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Wizard of Oz ====

Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless

==== Beat It ====

Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Alms for the pudgy, paintbrush ringing, and '''Accept''' the rest. --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Big Time! But with edit: "The piano nightshirt Homestar wears is the same as Michael Jackson's in the "Beat It" music video." Not sure how you'd call this speculation - it's quite specific, and funny as hell, more so than Weird Al wearing it in "Eat It". And racerx, what exactly are you getting at here?--[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 13:53, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)
** What racerx is getting at, BTW, is that User:24.21.86.243 added a whole bunch of Fun Facts under one heading and Declined them all with one comment. Someone later came in and split them, putting User:IP's Decline in all of them (which is why all of the Fun Facts near this one have the same Decline comment, even where inappropriate). Apparently, racerx responded to all of them but didn't get his response split in quite the way he'd intended (he meant to decline two of the facts and accept the rest) - and I'm surprised I'm just now noticing. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:44, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

I went ahead and added this, combined with the existing not-as-fun fact about the 'anatomically incorrect' keyboard. After finding and watching the video, this is even stronger evidence, as MJ's t-shirt is incorrect in exactly the same way. --[[User:BaconSandwich|BaconSandwich]] 22:55, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====

Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====

It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

*'''Decline''', if only because I'm not sure what this means. It's riddled with poor spelling and grammar and doesn't make a lot of sense. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Accept''', Here, let me revise this a bit. If Homestar had been sleeping since the 23rd, how did his calender get set to the 25th? [[User:James|--[[User:James|James]]]] (I'm not logged in)
**'''Second''', I'm the one that wrote this one. Thanks James for revising. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**Had he been sleeping since the 23rd? Since he complains about having set his alarm for 10 pm, it implies that he went to bed on the night of the 24th. --[[User:Upsilon|[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise and Accept''' as per James' suggestion, but not in the form of a question. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:38, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.'''--[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz~]]
**'''Second.''' It is notable. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 06:29, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline or Revise.''' We have no way of knowing that he went to bed on the 23rd. Decemberween could have just snuck up on him like days do to people sometimes. Haven't you even woken up and realized with a start, "Oh, crap, it's Monday!" when you have something important? Furthermore, it's ''Homestar.'' He needs no excuse to be confused. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:46, 25 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' No,No I haven't. [[User:Xycho|Xycho]]
*This is probably incorrect but still worth noting as it's a common understanding of the cartoon (I assumed he went to bed on the 23rd, and so did my mother, and apparently some other people on this wiki). I've added this: --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:46, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
*:If Homestar slept through December 24 (as many assume after watching this toon), he could not have changed his tear-away calendar to the 25th. An alternative explanation is that Decemberween simply snuck up on him.
*'''Decline or Rewrite''' --Your taking a cartoon too serious.[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]]
**Which is entirely the point of fun facts, my good sir. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Neutral''' OK OK. sheesh. 23rd, 24th, BIG WHOOP. just fix MY mistake and leave it at that. [[User:Xhycho|Xhycho]]
*'''Comment''' It has been pointed out that his clock has no AM/PM indicator, and according to my reasoning, he could not have set it more than 12 hours in advance. When I consider this dubious fun fact (It's odd considering...) and the point that I made on the fun fact about Homestar's clock, Homestar could have changed his calendar when he woke up on December 25th, and set his clock to 10 PM and gone back to sleep, because he simply did not realize that the 25th was significant, nor did he realize... anything... about time. Sorry for the long-winded comment, but it makes sense to me.
**'''Comment on the comment.''' That just occurred to me as well - What does Homestar do at the end of the toon when Strong Bad reminds him there's only 7 minutes left? He runs around like a maniac because he "forgot to buy presents"... just like he does at the beginning of the toon. It's even possible that he went through the same thing earlier in the day and we just don't see it. Given the "12 hours in advance" limitation, unless Strong Bad broke into his house and messed with his clock sometime during the day, Homestar would have had to be up no earlier than 10 AM on the 25th. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:22, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Good eye! --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Comment.''' What I don't understand is why you know he started sleeping on the 23rd. -[[User:oopsyoubwokeit|oopsyoubwokeit]] 13:40, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====

Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

(Correction: I made a mistake. The line in the song is "'''I'm''' a real straight shooter" Homsar is talking in the second person. (re: "''Hi, Wonder Mike''" in his characters video.) [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 29, 2004 7:34 PM (PST)

''Am I allowed to add this to the main page now?'' [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Jan 09, 2005 12:40 AM

*'''Decline'''-- But only because I think it is more like "You're a real trooper" with "state" put in. [[User: PaxMan356|PaxMan356]] Dec 28, 2004 2:22 PM (EST)
**'''Second''' Yeah. [[User: Ingeniousknight|Ingeniousknight]] Jan 2, 2005 3:52 PM (EST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:SailorMarzipan|SailorHippyGirl]]
**'''Second''' (Although FYI: without the "state," it would be "You're a real ''trouper''," with an ''-ou-'', not ''-oo-''. ''Trouper'' = one who handles adversity well.) [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''', or Fifth, whicever works. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I't sounds pretty reasonable that it is a reference to the misheard lyrics. that would fit in with his normal type of speech,wouldn't it? --[[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*<s>'''Neutral''' If someone could confirm that these are commonly misheard lyrics, I'd accept it, but a google search for the phrase only shows links related to Homsar.</s> --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 19:23, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* Decline Janik

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===

====Sterrance====
Sterrance's feet look remarkably like the feet of Mickey Mouse

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Lappy Startup Screen ====
The Lappy's boot-up process-- including the sound, the icon, and the logo text-- is very reminiscent of that of [http://www.aci.com.pl/mwichary/guidebook/interfaces/macos/macos80/macos80/startupshutdown Mac OS 8].　--[[User:codeman38|codeman38]] 21:51, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks, this item had no clear consensus with 2 Decline votes, 2 Rewrite votes, and a Move vote. The discussion for this item is moved to the [[Talk:Lappy 486]] page --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Price is Right... Again ====
The way Strong Bad is describing Lappy could be a nod to the game show ''The Price Is Right''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a rewritten version of this item was Accepted by a very small margin. It appears in its rewritten form on the page for [[animal]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Weird laptop ====
After some measuring, I figured that the Lappy 486 has the aspect ratio of 1.67:1. A normal display would have the aspect ratio of 1.3:1 and a widescreen display has the aspect ratio of 1.85:1. So the Lappy must have a resolution of around 400x240. More or less. Was there such a display back then? (Yeah, I know this is suppose to be on the Lappy page, but I want to confirm this information and I didn't want to put it there until I made sure.)

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Lappy 486]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====

When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

*'''Accept''': Looks good to go
*Good to go my eye. '''Decline''', '''''unless''''' you can '''Revise''' this to mention what Atari game it is. You've got plenty of time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 21:22, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)
**[http://www.atariage.com/software_search.html?SystemID=2600 Use this.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 08:53, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise/Weak Decline''' -- Basically, this is the same sound made when you roll over the 'store' button on [[Main Page 13]], as well. Even so, there doesn't seem to be any indication in the wiki page for that what game (or games) this sound could have been taken from. Personally, it doesn't seem like something worth spending a whole lot of time on researching. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 01:45, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Severe Decline.''' If you don't remember which one it was, why make it a fun fact? →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 05:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[virus]] ===

==== 3D Bubs legs (MODIFIED)====
When Bubs walks across the screen with Homestar's leg, his lower half is done in two layers of red and blue. Watching this scene with red and blue 3D glasses makes Bubs vaguely 3D. This is most likely a reference to "[[stunt double]]", in which Dangeresque 3 was supposed to be in 3D.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a modified version (omitting the third sentence) was Accepted - however, a mention of this particular item is already included in the transcript, so no additional mention in the "Fun Facts" section is necessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:08, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Compy 386 on e-mail menu (DECLINED)====
When this e-mail was posted to Homestarrunner.com, the Compy 386 was still used for the e-mail menu and appeared to be working fine.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Compy 386]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:44, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Homsar's walking sound (MODIFIED)====
The sound made when the "blocky" Strong Mad walks away is the same sound heard when Homsar walks towards the screen in "[[for kids]]".

'''VERDICT:''' A modified version of this item (without the specific e-mail reference) has been added to the transcript after an overwhelming number of Modify votes. This item is closed. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:11, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Edgar's anachronism (REVISED)====
Edgar the Virus Hunter was written a year before the first computer virus was written. In 1983, US student Fred Cohen created the first documented virus as an experiment in computer security at the University of Southern California.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, a revised version of this item was added to the Remarks section of [[virus]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:03, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Gilligan's Island? ====
The "And the rest" may be a reference to the first Gilligan's Island theme song, where the chorus sang some of the main character's name but then just sang "and the rest" instead of the other's names.

'''VERDICT:''' This item had no clear consenus, but with 4 strong Declines and 3 strong Accepts and a single Weak Accept, the Declines have it. Moved to [[Talk:virus]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:36, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Strong Sad's blog ====
When Strong Sad walks up and ask Strong Bad about a virus, his pixilated face is probably a referance to Strong Sad's blog (A.K.A. Strong Sad's Lament) from the e-mail website. On each post it shows his mood, and they are the same one that Strong SAd has hovering, they are probably pixiated because it enlarged the image's from the blog.

'''VERDICT:''' This item received only 2 votes, both for Decline, as the information was both already noted and otherwise obvious. Moved to [[Talk:virus]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:36, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== The Number 423,827 ====

I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of e-mails recieved to date by the site, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''Interesting''' Hmm... it could be posssible. I mean, thats less than 4000 emails a week, which isnt alot for popular websites. Is there anyway to confirm this? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
* '''What?''' Where did this come from? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:51, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Is it not the number of Viruses that Edgarware.exe found? --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 06:48, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*** '''Decline anyway''' Unless it gets re-used, I don't see how that matters. I mean, it was just an arbitrarily large number. Are people looking for the significance of the number 1,685,421 (other than Mitch Overlord being that number caller in best thing?) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:22, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Drive letter ====

After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===

====Disney "Mickey" Logo====

All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Neutral.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Price Style ====

Price Style is most likely mocking Wal-Mart, with it's 'low, low prices everyday'.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was unanimously Declined after several weeks of voting. Moved to [[Talk:Shopping for Danger]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold's Wrap ====
Reynold's Wrap is a common type of commodity you would find in a supermarket, or even a non-super market.

'''VERDICT:''' This item has no bearing on anything regarding the 'toon in question. The item is Declined. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:38, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Reynold and Ghostbusters ====
Reynold trying on the Justice Rocket Backpack may be a nod to ''Ghostbusters II''.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Modify this item. The modified form of this item appears on the [[Shopping for Danger]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Fan-freaking-tastic (DECLINED) ====
'FAN-FREAKING-TASTIC' may be a reference to 'Sex in the City' or [[Cheat Commandos...O's]].

'''VERDICT:''' Declined after unanimous "declines" after about a week of voting. Moved to [[Talk:Shopping for Danger]]. -- [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 04:13, 28 Nov 2004 (MST)

==== Speaker sound (DECLINED) ====
The sound for turning on the speaker in the easter egg might be a reference from the SBEmail [[theme park]].

'''VERDICT:''' declined after unanimous "declines" after nearly a week of voting. Moved to [[Talk:Shopping for Danger]]. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 04:13, 28 Nov 2004 (MST)

==== Let's Rock and Roll! ====

Reynold's slogan "Reynold's commandos, let's rock and roll" is a spoof on the Cheat Commandos' battle cry, "Cheat commandos, rock rock on!"

'''VERDICT:''' This item was unanimously Declined after several weeks of voting. Moved to [[Talk:Shopping for Danger]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:30, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Halloween Fairstival]] ===

==== The Haiku Triad Rule ====
The Haiku made up by Strong Bad (which includes the line "Little Brother Dork Dork Dork") is technically not a Haiku due to the little known Haiku Triad Rule, which says that the same syllable cannot be used three times in a row in a Haiku poem. Needless to say I know quite a bit about Haikus.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:Halloween Fairstival]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:16, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Shin guards (DECLINED) ====
Shin Guards are used to protect your shins while sparring in sports such as Karate and Kickboxing.

'''VERDICT:''' declined after unanimous "declines" over a week or so. Moved to [[Talk:Halloween Fairstival]]. -- [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 04:05, 28 Nov 2004 (MST)

=== [[Broken Compy Menu]] ===

==== Large Blank Space (DECLINED) ====
If you scroll all the way down the list of emails, there is a large blank space. This could be intentional.

'''VERDICT: '''Declined after over a week of unanimous "Decline" votes. Moved to [[Talk:Broken Compy Menu]]. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 06:20, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)

=== [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD]] ===

==== The Subliminal Advertisement (DECLINED) ====

In Coach Z's second 'Score Zone' illustration, the lines are clearly made to resemble a skull-and-crossbones.

'''VERDICT:''' Declined after over a week of unanimous 'decline' votes. Moved to [[Talk:In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD]]. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 06:14, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)

=== [[anything]] ===

==== Dan VS. Jerome ====
The e-mail is from Dan, although Homestar refers to him as Jerome.

'''VERDICT:''' After several months of voting, this item was Declined. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:anything]], but a subtler mention of the name change-around appears on the [[Strong Bad Email By Name]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:23, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Tis True, Pom Pom, Tis True]] ===

==== The Only Time? ====
This is the ONLY toon where the voice of Marzipan isn't supplied by Missy (it's supplied by Matt)

'''VERDICT:''' After several months of voting, no consensus was reached, with no votes for Accepting or Declining the item whatsoever. The discussion was moved over to [[Talk:Tis True, Pom Pom, Tis True]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:18, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[montage]] ===

==== hellboy ====
"Pamcakes" might be referring to a two page story which appears in Mike Mignola's "Right Hand of Doom" graphic novel in the "Hellboy" stable. The 2004 film version also contains this mispronounciation of the word.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:montage]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== scoreboard ====
The score board behind Homestar in the easter egg changes numbers even though it is not turned on.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:montage]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== ketchup ====
The ketchup Strong Bad pours on his french fries is the same ketchup from the easter egg in [[funny]]

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Declined. Moved to [[Talk:montage]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Pants ====
Homestar wears pants in the "Im The Best" Easter egg. This is possibly the first time Homestar wears pants.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was voted to be Accepted - however, the item was found to be factually inaccurate. A revision of the item, noting the exception, is currently on the [[montage]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:15, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[pizzaz]] ===

==== Biscuit Dough Relations (DECLINED) ====
Biscuit Dough Man is related to Strong Bad and therefore is also related to Strong Mad, Strong Bad, and The Cheat. This is not the only Homestar Runner relationship; Marzipan is the King of Town's father.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was unanimously declined. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 22:07, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

==== Biscuit Dough Hands Man (Revised) ====
Biscuit Dough Hands Man is the initial suspect for Strong Bad's crimes in "[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]", created by [[Bubs]] drawing [[The King of Town|the King of Town's]] description of Strong Bad. So (when the Strong Bad Interview-Type Progrum says he will interview Biscuit Dough Hands Man in the next show), technically Strong Bad will be interviewing "himself" again.

'''VERDICT:''' A rewritten version of this item was Accepted and added to the [[pizzaz]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:36, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[credit card]] ===

==== At Homestarrunner dot net ====

This email implies that Homestar Runner has an email address, which we have no reason to believe because he is always using Strong Bad's computer.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item is Declined. Moved to [[Talk:credit card]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:09, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== car ===
==== "You ever see me in a car? No!" ====

Another subtle fun fact: At the end of the email, Strong Bad says, "You ever see me in a car? No!" Interestingly, he is seen in the Gremlin just a few emails later, in the Dangeresque 3 email.
*'''Revise, Move''' I think this belongs more in the Dangeresque 3 email fun facts. Also, get rid of the "Another subtle fun fact" bit. - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Decline.''' I'd actually put the Gremlin more into Bubs' possesion. He came up with it, so it just seems to work along those lines.
*'''Decline.''' As with the 'bigger wusses and lesser wimps' item up above, since when does Strong Bad always tell the truth? See [[stand-up]]. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' He could have also changed his mind about being seen in a car. Since this really doesn't contradict anything, it's not really worth noting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:38, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[lackey]]===

==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag.--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===

==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

*'''Rewrite'''- Too long and confusing --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 15:48, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' ...though I almost voted Decline. The reference is a decent one. Perhaps something as simple as:
The 1936 Strong Bad, Strong Man, and The Sneak stealing the parsnips
in the wheelbarrow is reminiscent of the scene in The Reddest Radish
where their 21st-century counterparts steal Marzipan's radish.
::The mention of the speculation is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:49, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

==Games==

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===

====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

== General ==

=== Cross-Toon Facts ===

==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.
* '''Decline every last case''' Not necessary; the parents of various characters are referred to multiple times (the Bros. Strong, Pom-Pom, and even Marzipan (even though the last one was later changed.)) Similarly, any instance of "This is the first time Strong Sad has smiled/laughed/burped/sighed/whatevered" is not only silly but, these days, wrong. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:44, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)
* '''Revise, Accept.''' Just replace [insert scene here] with a description of the scene, and you're good to go.
*'''Decline''' The phrase "one of the few" should automatically disqualify this from being accepted. Fun facts should tell something unique or noteworthy about the toon in question - if you have to rattle off a list of other toons where the same thing happened (except in extreme cases where a reference to a previous e-mail/toon is explicit), then it shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:53, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)