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User:Smallowman

2007-05-03T22:42:30Z

Smallowman:

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: Now let me outline my master plan!! I will A: Drop my grapes and B: Uncovoh that cheat!!

The Homestar Runner: It's December-ween Rumble Red the most sanitary time of the year when everyone piles up all the dead rats they've accumulated throughout the year

Rumble Red: Oh nothing really....long lines.....expensive breads.

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN'T SPELL YOU!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: I just figured out the cheat is declawed and I don't think I could be with someone who supports that kind of cruelty

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: Throtaling you down???!!! That's not one of my 99 ways of ripping you off!!

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[retirement]] Oh man i couldn't stop laughing especially after
Oh, Child!
It's the Teal Screen
of Near Death! (TSoND)
now that was killer
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/e/ee/sbemail159a.png/180px-sbemail159a.png

User:Smallowman

2007-05-03T22:41:15Z

Smallowman:

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

The Homestar Runner: It's December-ween Rumble Red the most sanitary time of the year when everyone piles up all the dead rats they've accumulated throughout the year

Rumble Red: Oh nothing really....long lines.....expensive breads.

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN'T SPELL YOU!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: I just figured out the cheat is declawed and I don't think I could be with someone who supports that kind of cruelty

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: Throtaling you down???!!! That's not one of my 99 ways of ripping you off!!

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[retirement]] Oh man i couldn't stop laughing especially after
Oh, Child!
It's the Teal Screen
of Near Death! (TSoND)
now that was killer
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/e/ee/sbemail159a.png/180px-sbemail159a.png

User:Smallowman

2006-10-03T03:53:40Z

Smallowman: /* Favorite Cartoon */

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN BE THE QUIETEST LITTLE MOUSE!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: Hi this is Marzipan I'm probably outside eating some dirt or something so leave me a message

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: That was the worst Ronald Reagan impression I ever heard now take this terlet brush and get outta here

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[retirement]] Oh man i couldn't stop laughing especially after
Oh, Child!
It's the Teal Screen
of Near Death! (TSoND)
now that was killer
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/e/ee/sbemail159a.png/180px-sbemail159a.png

User:Smallowman

2006-10-03T03:52:13Z

Smallowman: /* Favorite Cartoon */

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN BE THE QUIETEST LITTLE MOUSE!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: Hi this is Marzipan I'm probably outside eating some dirt or something so leave me a message

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: That was the worst Ronald Reagan impression I ever heard now take this terlet brush and get outta here

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[retirement]] Oh man i couldn't stop laughing especially after
Oh, Child!
It's the Teal Screen
of Near Death! (TSoND)
now that was killer

Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship

2006-10-03T03:48:48Z

Smallowman: /* Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Friendship */

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[[Image:MLS Sign War Star.PNG|thumb|Homestar and Strong Bad as enemies.]]
'''[[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]]''' have had an interesting relationship over the course of [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|HomestarRunner.com]]'s existence. While they were originally conceived as enemies, Homestar has become a less heroic character over time and has taken the "lovable oaf" position, trying to be Strong Bad's friend. Strong Bad, on the other hand, now sees him as more of an annoyance than an arch-enemy, and we have seen that he actually has a soft side for the terrific athlete.

==Homestar and Strong Bad's Rivalry==

For the first couple of years of the cartoon, Homestar and Strong Bad were '''rivals''', Homestar being the hero and Strong Bad the antagonist. This was a recurring theme, but any rivalry between the two is very small now.

*[[Marshmallow's Last Stand]] — The whole toon is built around Homestar and Strong Bad in a tag-team wrestling match after Strong Bad took Homestar's star off his shirt. In the end, Homestar and [[Pom Pom]] come away victorious.
*[[The Reddest Radish]] — Homestar and Strong Bad fight over what they believe is the reddest radish. Strong Bad stole it from [[Marzipan]] so he can win the contest, and Homestar wants to give it back.
*Email [[invisibility]] — An invisible Strong Bad punches Homestar in the gut.
*Email [[your friends]] — Strong Bad attempts to make Homestar put his head in a pool of hot lava.
*Email [[techno]] — Strong Bad tells The Cheat to break a glowstick open and pour it into Homestar's Mountain Dew.
*Email [[army]] — The [[Homestarmy]] attempts to [[The Battle of Strong Badia|invade]] [[Strong Badia]], with minimal success.
*Email [[stupid stuff]] — Homestar cheats Strong Bad out of the Grumblecakes by tricking him into saying something stupid.
*Email [[car]] — Strong Bad "tricks out his fist" and punches Homestar in the face, leaving him dazed and confused.
*Email [[pom pom]] — Strong Bad thinks Homestar is Pom Pom and pokes him with a pin.
*Email [[old comics]] — In [[Castlefunnies|The Castlefunnies]], Strong Bad punches Homestar in the face.
*Email [[lady...ing]] — An email that is a parody of Marshmallow's Last Stand, Strong Bad kicks Homestar off the screen.
*Email [[secret recipes]] — Strong Bad gives Homestar some cottage cheese and The Cheat hair, which Homestar says that he was told it was sour cream and The Cheat hair.
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] — Strong Bad tells [[The Cheat]] to drop a TV on Homestar when he jumps from the cliff.
*[[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]] — Strong Bad announces, of a dart-ridden Homestar poster, "Oh, ''man'', I hate this guy!"
*Email [[keep cool]] — Strong Bad lets Homestar swim in the pool with an antenna during a lightning-storm.
*[[Strongest Man in the World]] — A toon version of the [[Original Book|original story]] that started the entire Homestar Runner phenomenon, it shows Homestar and Strong Bad competing for the title of "Strongest Man in the World".

==Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Friendship==

Homestar and Strong Bad have also been depicted as '''friends'''. Homestar also tries to hang out with Strong Bad, [[The Brothers Strong|his brothers]] and The Cheat occasionally, but not always successfully. This is paralleled with [[1-Up]]'s attempts to "be the guy" with [[Stinkoman]].

*[[The Best Decemberween Ever]] — Homestar says Strong Bad is "kind of a jerk sometimes, and he says '[[Crap|holy crap]]' a lot, but I think if I get him the perfect present, he just might like me again."
*[[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] — Homestar tries to be one of the guys.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]] — Strong Bad attempts to teach Homestar the art of prank calling (albeit for $500).
*Email [[flashback]] — Homestar says that he thinks he might live at Strong Bad's house. Also, Strong Bad reads Homestar a story, and is talked into reading him another.
*Email [[dangeresque 3]] — Homestar is Strong Bad's co-star as [[Dangeresque Too]].
*Email [[extra plug]] — The only one who likes Strong Bad's [['Lectric Boots]] is Homestar.
*[[Malloween Commercial]] and [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] — Strong Bad can be seen hanging out with Homestar at his house.
*Email [[do over]] — After they serenade [[Ali and Ali's Sister]] together, Homestar begins to fall in love with Strong Bad. His advances are promptly rejected.
*Email [[highschool]] — Teenage Homestar and Strong Bad were in the same team of super sleuths; Homestar describes the team as his "friends" in their song.
*email [[retirement]] — Homestar helps Strong Bad in blowing up the Tandy and sings the song deleted!!! with him
{{stub}}

[[Category:Homestar Runner running gags]]

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2006-09-13T12:21:49Z

Smallowman: /* Brooklyn Accent */

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I also think Bland's voice sounds a bit Mike... but I also think it could have been done by Matt. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

just to settle this useless suablle, i saying that if you wangt to find out who's right, then i suggest that you should ask the creaters that so this pointless argueing will stop.- someone who's not a user and sucks at spelling, but comes here anyways

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It kinda sounds like "you'se oily brains". [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 11:35, 30 August 2006 (CST)

Despite Smallowman ironclad rebuttal, I ''do'' in fact hear "Alright, youse hose brains." Now I qualify that with the fact that it doesn't make much sense. (It reminded me of a line in a Muppet movie where someone calls Gonzo "hose nose.") So I'm not to sure about "hose." However, I strongly suggest that the "s" sound after "you" be considered part of "youse" and not necessarily the starting consonant of the next word. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm pretty sure it's not "oily", at any rate, because I hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's still listed as "oily", and I ''still'' hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:I've always heard "slow". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah...did anyone else play that World Cup soccer game for the Nintendo? The part where Homestar does the backflip looks exactly like the super kick moves in that game. --Xhad

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:In response to It's dot com: I agree with the context and does-it-make-sense argument. On the other hand, I can't be too certain about consonants, but the vowel sound I hear is "oo", and I have trouble reconciling it with "Homestar." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Here's a change I noticed- 5. At the end of the book, Pom Pom shared his trophy with Homestar. In this he took all the credit and tried to keep the trophy for himself. -[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.

:Wow. Do a little looking into actual faerie tales. Not only are all faires NOT girls, but almost none of them are flitty little sparkly things (i.e. Tinkerbell) type fairies either.

:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Announcer- you "can't not" not "can not" ==
In the transcript the line the announcer says "...you ''can'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest" but it should read "...you ''can't'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest," both because that's what the announcer says, and because that's what makes sense grammatically and humorously.
-David

:David, all I can say is that we've heard people claim it's "can't" and other people say it's "can". The consensus is that it's "can". And I disagree that "can't not" makes sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well "can't not" makes sense because it's a double negative, meaning they can, in fact, be ready. And really, they can. Why would they NOT be able to be ready?
:::I'm sorry, but there's no way you're ready for the response I have for that one! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure sure I can't not be ready for your response. :)
:::::Ah, but whether you are or not, I still said you were unready. That's what I said, and I'm sticking to it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm on your side, David. "Can't not" is what I heard and I changed the transcript accordingly, but it was changed back. Gotta be a consensus. --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I definitely can not hear "can't not", as I can not hear a T even though I haven't not been listening to it (I haven't been listening to it not closely) and with headphones that aren't not good. Do you not get it? ;) Anyway, yeah. "Can not." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::"Can't not" makes sense to me as in "There's no way you could possibly ''not'' be ready for this,". I think there's no t sound at the end of "can't" because of the accent being used. I don't hear much of a t at the end of "not" either, but it's clearly not "naw". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree, as I both hear "can not" and think it's funnier that way. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

== Shot for shot ==

In addition to the intro and the fade out, there are at least three scenes that are very specifically shot-for-shot recreations of the Original Book. I submit that these are notable, and should be shown in side-by-side comparisons. I'm talking about:

1. "Watch out, PETE BEST!"

2. "Tiny, inverse suns"

3. "Strong Bad did a jig"

The action poses for Mr. Bland and Señor are also taken from the OB.

Also notable are certain lines that are immediate recongizable:

*"Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete."
*"Everybody loves the me. I'm a terrific athlete."

*"I'm the very strongest! You guys are not very strong!"
*"I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong."

*"I will drop my grapes and uncover that CHEAT!"
*"I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat!"

*"OH NO!" screamed Strong Bad.
*"Oh noooo!"

The reason that I say that these are significant and not just "yeah, it's a remake" is that they are so rare. Adding those few little pieces in precisely as in the original is very much in the style of homage. If there were more of them, as in the remake of In Search of the Yello Dello, I wouldn't think it significant--but the little places where the two synch up gives a longtime H*R fan a little thrill of recognition, and the BC know that. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:You're using [[Strumstar Hammer]] as the model, y'know. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just used those because I find them more immediately recognizable as locators, and because it's funnier that way. I could say "the initial piles of 20 grapes," "the first round of added grapes," and "Strong Bad wobbling before falling down" -- but what fun would that be? --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Everything that happened in the original book, except Pom Pom willingly sharing the trophy, happened in the remake. And, in fact, the one difference is more surprising to me than any of the ton of similarities. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, technically, that's speculation. Homestar didn't ask for P2 to ''share'' the golbol, but to ''give him'' the golbol. Maybe Pom Pom keeps telling him that he wants to share it, and Homestar is the one not willing to share. While I think it would definitely be a funny ending if Pom Pom wants to keep the golbol to himself, we don't know if that's true.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::That was my interpretation, but I guess I see what you're saying. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::To my mind, there's a huge difference between a similarity (most of the plot) and a recreation of a scene or an image. In any remake, there are typically a few scenes that pay direct homage to the original version, and those are usually called out by reviewers. And while there are a ton of vague similarities, there are very few lines or images that correspond directly to the original. I can't understand how those could not be considered notable -- especially since the technique of recreating the original pose was used for the intro and outro of the toon. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::But it's arguable that this is less a remake than a "make" - the OB was never animated in the first place. As I said before, the only thing that (arguably) ''didn't'' happen in the 'toon that did happen in the original book was double-P sharing the GB. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Brooklyn Accent==

I am really suprised that there is nothing her about this but am I the ONLY one who hears the Grape Fairie say "Honest to God Mookie Wilson gave the golbol to my Aunt in 1973"? And am I the only one who thinks that "gave me the golbol to my hands" makes absolutely no sense? It's just that it doesn't feel right. even if it's not what I have there earlier, it's something about his "ant." Just a thought.--{{User:CoffeeCup73|CoffeeCup73}} 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Whether or not he says "aunt" or "hands", he definitely say "gave me". "Gave me the golbol to my aunt" makes even less sense than "gave me to my hands", which is really just an odd way of saying "he personally put it in my hands himself". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I also thought it was aunt but his voice is so hard to tell that anyone can make a mistake [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

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== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.

:Wow. Do a little looking into actual faerie tales. Not only are all faires NOT girls, but almost none of them are flitty little sparkly things (i.e. Tinkerbell) type fairies either.

:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Announcer- you "can't not" not "can not" ==
In the transcript the line the announcer says "...you ''can'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest" but it should read "...you ''can't'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest," both because that's what the announcer says, and because that's what makes sense grammatically and humorously.
-David

:David, all I can say is that we've heard people claim it's "can't" and other people say it's "can". The consensus is that it's "can". And I disagree that "can't not" makes sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well "can't not" makes sense because it's a double negative, meaning they can, in fact, be ready. And really, they can. Why would they NOT be able to be ready?
:::I'm sorry, but there's no way you're ready for the response I have for that one! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure sure I can't not be ready for your response. :)
:::::Ah, but whether you are or not, I still said you were unready. That's what I said, and I'm sticking to it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm on your side, David. "Can't not" is what I heard and I changed the transcript accordingly, but it was changed back. Gotta be a consensus. --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I definitely can not hear "can't not", as I can not hear a T even though I haven't not been listening to it (I haven't been listening to it not closely) and with headphones that aren't not good. Do you not get it? ;) Anyway, yeah. "Can not." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Shot for shot ==

In addition to the intro and the fade out, there are at least three scenes that are very specifically shot-for-shot recreations of the Original Book. I submit that these are notable, and should be shown in side-by-side comparisons. I'm talking about:

1. "Watch out, PETE BEST!"

2. "Tiny, inverse suns"

3. "Strong Bad did a jig"

The action poses for Mr. Bland and Señor are also taken from the OB.

Also notable are certain lines that are immediate recongizable:

*"Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete."
*"Everybody loves the me. I'm a terrific athlete."

*"I'm the very strongest! You guys are not very strong!"
*"I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong."

*"I will drop my grapes and uncover that CHEAT!"
*"I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat!"

*"OH NO!" screamed Strong Bad.
*"Oh noooo!"

The reason that I say that these are significant and not just "yeah, it's a remake" is that they are so rare. Adding those few little pieces in precisely as in the original is very much in the style of homage. If there were more of them, as in the remake of In Search of the Yello Dello, I wouldn't think it significant--but the little places where the two synch up gives a longtime H*R fan a little thrill of recognition, and the BC know that. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:You're using [[Strumstar Hammer]] as the model, y'know. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just used those because I find them more immediately recognizable as locators, and because it's funnier that way. I could say "the initial piles of 20 grapes," "the first round of added grapes," and "Strong Bad wobbling before falling down" -- but what fun would that be? --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Everything that happened in the original book, except Pom Pom willingly sharing the trophy, happened in the remake. This isn't exactly shocking to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

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== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.
:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

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Smallowman: /* All right, you crap-for-brains */

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.
:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

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== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.
:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2006-08-28T02:21:33Z

Smallowman: /* Down Goes Bland */

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.
:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2006-08-28T02:09:47Z

Smallowman: /* Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? */

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.
:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Strongest Man in the World

2006-08-22T04:01:49Z

Smallowman: /* Transcript */

{{toonnav|Big Toon|10years|Weclome Back|The King of Town DVD}}

[[Image:Strongest Man Contest Judges.png|thumb|"Really quite an impressive bowl!"]]
[[The Brothers Chaps]] celebrate [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner's]] 10th anniversary by retelling the [[Original Book|original story]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|The Announcer}}, {{Film|Mr. Bland}}, {{Film|The Robot (storybook)}}, {{Film|Señor}}, {{Film|The Grape Fairie}}, [[The Fat Bee]]

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Gymnasium]]

'''Date:''' August 21, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 4:25

'''Page Title:''' The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!

==Transcript==
''{The cover page of the Original Book appears. The book opens and the first page of appears.}''

''{Homestar Runner changes into his modern form. The book pans away to The Field.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Everybody loves the me! I'm a terrific athlete!

''{Pom Pom enters and pulls out a flier}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubble noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' A strongest man in the world contest? ''{pan to a closeup of Homestar Runner}'' Sweet dog, you know I'm all over it.

''{Pan to the Gymnasium, where Homestar Runner and Pom Pom are wearing aerobic gear and lifting weights.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Extra-cise, Pom Pom! Lemme see ya pour on that exercise! That strangest man in the world contest ain't gonna win itself!

''{Pan to a scene of the setting sun. Silhouettes of Homestar Runner and Pom Pom jump up and high five each other. Fade out.}''

''{Back to The Field, where Homestar Runner and Pom Pom are walking to the right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Man, Pom Pom, I feel great! I feel fresh as a bagel! I bet I could lift fifty stringiest man in the world contests!

''{They approach a sign pointing the way to the contest, where Strong Bad and The Cheat are waiting.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, look, The Cheat! If it isn't the big, fat, yellow blob and Pom Pom!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{looks annoyed}'' Hey! ''{looks behind himself}'' W— wait. ''{looks annoyed again}'' Hey! ''{looks behind himself}'' W— wait. ''{looks annoyed again}'' Hey! ''{not annoyed}'' Wait—

'''STRONG BAD:''' Lemme break it down for you like this: I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong!

'''POM POM:''' ''{looks angry, loud bubble noises}''

''{Strong Bad reacts in surprise.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Whoa, Pom Pom! Let's tone down the language before the contest, huh?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Come on, The Cheat. We'd better go start signing autographs. There's a pretty big line building up over there. ''{He and The Cheat exit}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{looks annoyed}'' Come on, Pom Pom! Let's go get Strong Bad's autograph! I hear there's a pretty big line building up.

''{Cheering voices over momentarily before cutting to a banner reading "Strongest Man In The World Contest".}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{voiceover over microphone}'' Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot be ready for the ''{tilt down to show The Announcer}'' Strongest Man In The World Contest! ''{flips microphone from one hand to the other}'' Let's meet our smokin' hot contestants! ''{cut to a silhouette of Mr. Bland with disco lights in the background}'' Hailing from the middle of the road, the prince of plain, the master of mundane, it's ''{spotlight turns on}'' Mr. Bland.

''{Cut to a beige background of panning cubes and "mr. bland" scrolls to the right. Mr. Bland strikes an action pose. Cut back to The Announcer.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' And next, our returning champion, the walking ''{cut to a smiliar disco lights scene with The Robot in silhouette}'' metal robot... The Robot! ''{a spotlight shines on The Robot and he waves}''

''{A blue background of screws and hex nuts pans in, and "The Robot" appears while Mr. Robot holds a waving pose. Cut back to The Announcer.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' And from foreign lands, a foreign man, ''{cut to the disco scene with Señor in silhouette}'' Señor Ha-Ha-Ha-Havin' A Little Trouble!

''{A brown background of beans pans in, and "Señor" appears while Señor strikes an action pose.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' And...

''{Cut to silhouettes of Pom Pom, Strong Bad, and Homestar Runner, who's respective spotlights turn on as their names are mentioned.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{quickly}'' Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar. ''{Homestar looks surprised}'' ''{Cut back to The Announcer}'' Grape Fairie! Hit me with da rules!

''{Pan up to The Grape Fairie riding his bee. He makes a scroll appear that reads "Rules".}''

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' All right, you slows brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. ''{a pile of grapes takes the place of the floating scroll}'' Then I adds one at a time. ''{a grape appears above the pile}'' The bum what holds the most grapes ''{a golden bowl-shaped trophy appears in place of the grapes}'' wins this golbol.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{voiceover; sounds impressed}'' Dang, Pom Pom, you see that goldbol? ''{zoom in on the golbol}'' That's a nice golbol.

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' Let's get this over with!

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' Ollzy oop. ''{zaps a pile of grapes on top of the contestants}''

'''MR. BLAND:''' ''{monotonously}'' Okay.... This is going really well. ''{The pile of grapes crushes Mr. Bland.}'' Oh.

''{Cut to silhoettes of everyone on a yellow background.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{voiceover}'' Down goes Bland!

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' Ka-bu op! ''{pings a single grape over each contestant}''

''{Cut to Señor, impossibly balancing the entire pile on one hand.}''

'''SEÑOR:''' Oh, no, boy. I havin' a little trouble! ''{The pile falls on Señor with a "Sblounskched!" He sticks his arm out of the grapes}'' I still alive!

''{Cut to Strong Bad and The Cheat, with Pom Pom in the background.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, The Cheat—

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —I hear our friend The Robot is about to do a set of his acoustic numbers. Or should I say, unplugged?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{affirmative The Cheat noises}'' ''{salutes}''

''{The Cheat slides to the feet of The Robot, who is apparently plugged into an outlet on a very small section of wall out of nowhere.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}'' ''{looks around, unplugs The Robot's cord, and slides away}'' ''{The Cheat noises}''

''{Cut to The Robot, who shuts down and drops the pile of grapes. General sad "Aw"s among the crowd are heard.}''

''{Cut to Homestar, whose grapes appear to be floating in mid-air, due to his [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]].}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{looks around}'' Did nobody just see that?! Judge? Fairie? Giant bee?

''{Cut to The Grape Fairie and The Announcer, who are admiring the bowl and not paying attention to the contest.}''

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' Honest to God, Mookie Wilson gave me the golbol in my hands in 1974.

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' Really quite an impressive bowl.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{off screen}'' Hellooo?

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' Oh. Right.

''{Cut to Pom Pom, Strong Bad, and Homestar.}''

'''THE GRAPE FAIRIE:''' ''{poofs another grape on top of everyone}'' Crazy eights!

''{Strong Bad begins to lose his grip on the grapes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Cheat? Big help here! Big help!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{rushes over}'' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay.... Even it out there on the south side.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Jump her up.

''{Cut to Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, seriously. At first it was cute, but this is just borderline unsportsmanlike! Let me outline my master plan. I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat! ''{drops his grapes; walks over to Strong Bad and The Cheat}'' Could I just borrow this a second? ''{grabs The Cheat}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{surprised The Cheat noises}''

''{Homestar kicks The Cheat about his feet like a hackey-sack, then does a slow-motion flip and kicks The Cheat straight backwards over his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{melodramatically}'' Oh-nooo! ''{gets squished by his pile of grapes}''

''{The action-pose scene appears, this time with a green grapes background, "squished bad", and Strong Bad under his pile of grapes.}''

''{Cut to Pom Pom}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{voiceover}'' Pom Pom wins!

''{Pom Pom winks; a record scratch sounds, cut to Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Wait, what?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ooh.... These grapes are succulently crushing my windpipe.... Ooh, but they're seedless! ''{The pile of grapes begins to collapse as Strong Bad eats it}''

''{Cut to Homestar and Pom Pom holding the trophy.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, seriously, Pom Pom. Gimme the golbol!

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubble noises, pulls the trophy back a bit}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, that's great. But I still won. I sportsmanliked everbody! Now gimme the golbol!

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubble noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, fine. You can give it to me for my birthday. Now check out my victory dance! Huhyayayayaaa!

''{Homestar crosses his left leg over his right and jumps into the air. The Grape Fairie and the Fat Bee enter from the upper right, the announcer from the lower left. Pom Pom jumps in the air holding the trophy. The scene fades into the last page of the Original Book with "1996-2006" written across the upper left.}''

== Easter Eggs==
*Clicking on the Contest sign when Homestar mentions getting Strong Bad's autograph will show a picture of said autograph, on which is written:
<blockquote>homestar, 
dare to dream! believe in yourself 
and you can achieve anything!! 
your pal 
Stong Ba... 
wait a sec, 
2nd try: 
homestar, 
you're 
a butt. 
''Strong Bad''</blockquote>

*Clicking the Golbol at the end shows a shot of it (captioned "GOLBOL") in the same style as the ones shown when Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot are introduced.

==Fun Facts==

===Trivia===
*The [[Main Page Messages|main page message]] for this toon read "10 years!".
*This toon is the first time Mr. Bland and Señor are given a voice.

===Inside References===
*When Señor gets squished, the onomatopoeia used is "[[SBLOUNSKCHED! Bar|Sblounskched!]]".
*The song during the training scene is "Showdown" from [[montage]], and the outfit Homestar wears during this scene originally appeared in [[lady fan]].
*The autographed picture of Strong Bad in the Easter egg is the same as the one that Strong Bad gives to his "main man" Van Mundegaarde in [[2 years]].
*Homestar is shown [[Kicking The Cheat]], albiet in a more elaborate fashion than in the original book.
*Señor's line "I still alive!" may be a reference to [[Strumstar Hammer]], in which this scene is captioned with the line "this blue guy died."

===Real-World References===
*The logo in the background of the Easter egg is that of the [[Wikipedia:New York Mets|New York Mets]], the team of which [[Wikipedia:Mookie Wilson|Mookie Wilson]] is best known as a member.
*The statement in Strong Bad's autograph "believe in yourself and you can achieve anything" is from [[Wikipedia:Rocky|Rocky]].
*"Unplugged" refers to the MTV [[Wikipedia: MTV Unplugged|Unplugged]] series.

==External Links==
*[[HR:10years.html|watch "Strongest Man in the World"]]
*[[HR:strongestmanredux.swf|view the Flash file for "Strongest Man in the World"]]
*[[Forum:9577|forum thread re: "Strongest Man in the World"]]

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2006-08-22T04:00:37Z

Smallowman: /* I still alive? */

Butt

2006-08-21T16:53:30Z

Smallowman: /* Misc. */

{{cleanup}}

[[Image:sbemail28.PNG|thumb|"Grabbing your butt? That's not very ladylike."]]
'''Butts''' are referred to quite often in the [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner universe]]. Common themes are for example butt touching, comments on big butts, insults, and butt dances.

==Appearances==

===Big Butt===
*[[Tis True, Pom Pom, Tis True]] — '''Mike:''' "Homestar says she has a big butt."
*[[Peasant's Quest]] — if you try to "climb in bucket", you are told that "Your butt is too big."
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] — Marzipan says that Homestar has a "skinny white butt". Later on, Homestar tells her "That costume makes your butt look big."

===Butt Touching===
*Email [[stand-up]] — '''LIL' STRONG BAD:''' "Thank you Coach Z, ''{pause}'' for not patting my butt."
*Email [[1 step ahead]] — After Strong Bad glues Strong Sad's hands to his butt, Bubs says "Grabbing your butt? That's not very ladylike."
*Email [[action figure]] — the Coach Z action figure comes with "Butt-Patting Action".
*[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]] — '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' "And somebody's a-grabbin' a-my butt."
*[[keep cool]] — '''STRONG BAD:''' "Also, no rough-horsing, no house-rousing, no butt-patting."

===[[Buttdance|Butt Dancing]]===
*[[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript|Homestar Runner's Character Video]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff#2004-04-26|Weekly Fanstuff]]
*Email [[bottom 10]]
*Email [[lady fan]]

===Butt Kicking===
*Email [[the basics]] — '''Strong Bad:''' "... and if they win, you give them like a hundred kicks in the butt...".
*[[Hallrunner]] — The prisoner "kicks your butt from here to the joint", and the rabid dog "bites the butt off your pants."

===Butt Insults===
*Email [[butt IQ]] — Strong Bad explains the Transitive Butt Property.
*[[Strong Bad Sings]] — Strong Bad sings a line from [[You've got an Ugly & Stupid Butt]].
*Email [[dangeresque 3]] — Strong Bad calls Homestar "meatball...face...butt".
*[[TrogdorCon '97]] — Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a "butt".
*[[Halloween Fairstival]] — Strong Bad says that Strong Sad has "a butt for a face".
*[[New Boots]] — Strong Bad calls The Cheat "a...stripe-ed, green rabbit! With two butts!"
*Email [[haircut]] — Strong Bad draws Strong Mad a "butt chin".

===Misc.===
*[[Peasant's Quest]] — "horse's butt"
*[[Sketchbook_2004#SK-2004-08-26|Sketchbook]] — "the many butts of coach z"
*Email [[invisibility]] — Strong Bad: (after Strong Mad sits on him) "Being invisible is not worth a face full of Strong Mad butt." In the commentary, Matt says: "I like the, like, butt, the sweaty butt imprint that Strong Bad's leaving on the couch there."
*Email [[stupid stuff]] — Strong Bad asks Homestar "butt's twelve by pies?", and Homsar makes a musical out of it.
*Email [[theme song]] — the CGNU ad tells us, that if we make "$BUTT", we can make "twice butt" with a CGNU degree.

{{stub}}

[[Category:Word running gags]]

Talk:In Search of the Yello Dello

2006-08-21T15:27:01Z

Smallowman: /* Isn't it odd */

==DVD Contents==

I elected to use "DVD Contents" instead of "External Links". Whatcha think? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 13:13, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Looks good to me. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:48, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Transcribing==

Woah. What the dang crap! Is there a huge chunk missing from the Transcript, or is it just me?? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 13:18, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I think it was never done. I also think there is only one transcript, but there should be two or something. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:48, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

::There should be three. Old version, New version, and Commentary. Unless the new and old versions are the same...so...yeah. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 13:50, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::The old and new versions are decidedly different. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]

I've done the New Version transcript as well as a few others, but the Commentary transcript is going to be really hard, since pausing the toon doesn't pause the commentary track when you need it to. Any idea as to how I can pause the commentary track so I can make transcribing this that much easier? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 16:24, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I suggest recording the commentary(onto a WAV file, onto a tape, whatever) so you can pause and rewind as you please. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]

OK, I have a transcript for the New Version Commentary up now, but I know it's not 100% accurate (though it's probably at least 90% to 95% accurate), as there were some parts I couldn't quite figure out. If anybody could please help fix up any dialogue I got incorrect, I'd appreciate it quite a bit, as I worked about 2 or 3 hours on this. Thanks! --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 13:24, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Need links==

We need some links for the deleted scenes!-Anonymous

== Closed STUFF ==

These were on the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page and declined. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

==== The Subliminal Advertisement ====

In Coach Z's second 'Score Zone' illustration, the lines are clearly made to resemble a skull-and-crossbones.

*'''Decline.''' That's the joke. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 22:42, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Decline.''' I think this is noted in the transcript. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:42, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' It's obvious to me, and probably most of the Internet-accessing English-speaking world. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 00:55, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' If they "are clearly made" as you say they are then there is no need to point it out. --[[User:mikeaitch|mikeaitch]] 14:08, 1 Dec 2004 (EST)
**'''Decline.''' as the rule says "if it is obvious vote on it, if it is THAT obvious, delort it.--[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
***'''Second.''' It's... clearly so, yes, that's the idea. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 13:41, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)
*I deleted this. I don't think anyone minds. --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*That's not the subliminal advertising! This is: ScoreXZone And Duh, they look like a skull and cross bones! Furthermore... '''DECLINED'''-- [[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava!]]

== David Attenborough? ==

In the transcirpt it say that the Discovery Network host sounds like David Attenborough, this might just be me, but doesn't it sound more like Steve Irwin or am I just crazy?

It might sound more like David Attenborough (But I don't know, I've never heard him before) but I strongly believe that it's supposed to sound like ol' Stevie. BTW, I fixed your typo.

== LOOM ==

I just noticed that the Yello Dello eating the oyster insides is reminiscent of a similar scene with a gull in the LucasArts MS-DOS adventure game [[wikipedia:LOOM|LOOM]]. Can anyone else confirm this? [[User:24.216.179.61|24.216.179.61]] 19:47, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Splitting ==

This page is really long and unwieldy. Does anyone favor splitting this page up and linking them with a template? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

:Aye. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:36, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm fine with that, but before we do, I think it needs to be renamed "In Search of the Yello Dello" as that's what it's called on the site. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Should the Fun Facts be split or left in a group? I'm personally okay with them staying in one place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

== Isn't it odd ==

Don't you think it is weird that this cartoon had so many problems at the beginning but the toons that came before it didn't have any problems [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 15:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Smallowman

2006-08-21T15:21:18Z

Smallowman: Talk:Smallowman moved to Smallowman Talk Page: also sounds better

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]].
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 02:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== User Page Editing ==

An anonymous user (perhaps you) tried to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smallowman&curid=26594&diff=355358&oldid=355332&rcid=304851 edit] your user page. I reverted the change in case it was someone other than you editing your page. If it was you, please remember to log in so we know it's you. If it wasn't, then know we're on the lookout for such intrusions and will fix them. And welcome! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

==I got a question==

How do I get into a patrol do I hae to be good enough or is there just a way to join? - Smallowman 03:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi! I'm not entirely sure what you mean by patrol. The Recent Changes Patrol? Just commit to doing it. I'd advise watching for a while first, but anyone's welcome at this time to self-appoint themselves unless it's otherwise stated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I meant that sorry - Smallowman 03:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your talk poss. Try it! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::??????? What does that mean - Smallowman 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Did you type 4 ~'s? That's an automatic signature. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay I will try it [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 03:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Woah it worked thanks [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 03:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Images ==

If an image is on the wiki, just type <nowiki>[[Image:Mr Shmallow makes good.png]] and to resize it [[Image:Mr shmallow makes good.png|220px]]</nowiki>. If you want, you can [[Special:Upload|upload]] the marshmallow one and the one of you to the wiki. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Cool thanks [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 06:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::Remember, though, to read the [[HRWiki:Image use policy|image use policy]] and the [[HRWiki:Personal images|personal image policy]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Smallowman

2006-08-21T15:19:57Z

Smallowman: User talk:Smallowman moved to Talk:Smallowman: I don't want my name to be user:smallowman

User:Smallowman

2006-08-21T15:19:50Z

Smallowman: User:Smallowman moved to Smallowman: I don't want my name to be user:smallowman

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN BE THE QUIETEST LITTLE MOUSE!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: Hi this is Marzipan I'm probably outside eating some dirt or something so leave me a message

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: That was the worst Ronald Reagan impression I ever heard now take this terlet brush and get outta here

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[No Hands On Deck]] because of many reasons like it only featured characters that don't have the spotlight very often, It is a toon and not a Strong Bad e-mail for once, and because of all the hilarious moments of course well I think that is it.

User:Smallowman

2006-08-15T17:50:38Z

Smallowman:

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN BE THE QUIETEST LITTLE MOUSE!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: Hi this is Marzipan I'm probably outside eating some dirt or something so leave me a message

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: That was the worst Ronald Reagan impression I ever heard now take this terlet brush and get outta here

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

== Favorite Cartoon ==

My favorite cartoon is a hard choice because they all have their moments. I would have to say that I have two. I like [[narrator]] because of the your goose is cooked thing at the end me and my cousin couldn't stop laughing after that and next is probably [[No Hands On Deck]] because of many reasons like it only featured characters that don't have the spotlight very often, It is a toon and not a Strong Bad e-mail for once, and because of all the hilarious moments of course well I think that is it.

Talk:In Search of the Yello Dello

2006-08-15T17:43:26Z

Smallowman:

theme song

2006-08-11T18:52:23Z

Smallowman: /* Inside References */

{{aboutemail}}{{forshort|Theme Song Video}}
{{sbenav|155|keep cool|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:sbemail155.png|thumb|The email-checkinest guy in the land]]

Strong Bad explains why his email show doesn't have an official theme song.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Senor Cardgage}}, [[Balding Man]], {{Film|Fightgar}}, {{Film|Reynold}}, [[Powered by The Cheat Character Variations#Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad|Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Outer Space]], [[Alleyway]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Desert]].

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' August 7, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:57

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' When email comes to town, you know, you know, it's like a rainstorm... in your browser. ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: theme song</div>
Dear Super Bad, 
It bugs me how your email show doesn't have a theme song. 
If it did have a theme song, your show would be a whole 
lot cooler. 
Jonathan Shaheen 
Ontario, Canada
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "you" instead of "it" for the second it. He pronouces "Shaheen" as "Shaheeeeen", and lens flares and a sound effect appear over the name. He pronounces the location as "on-ta-REE-oh, cah-nah-DAH" (as though with a Mexican accent)}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oooh, a little south of the border flavor. ''{typing}'' Dear Supper Bag, It bugs ''me'' how your face doesn't have a not tons of acne. If it did have a not tons of acne, ''you'' would be a whole lot cooler.

''{Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Look, you don't know what you're talking about, Shaheen ''{Strong Bad pronounces "Shaheen" as "Shaheeeen", and the Shaheen special effect appears over the word}''  Theme songs are just an excuse for showmakers to make less show. I'm sure viewership would triple if I had one of those crappy cartoon theme songs that bludgeons you over the head with the blunt end of the show's premise.

''{Theme song music fades in over his last words. Cut to a smiling Strong Bad prancing in the basement.}''

'''CRAPPY CARTOON THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
Strong Bad is a wrestle man, 
He's the email-checkinest guy in the land. 
He checks real emails from the net, 
He's got two brothers and The Cheat, his pet. The Cheat, his Pet! 

''{"STRONG BAD" appears on the screen as the name is sung. Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. Lappy flies into the screen, showing an email from punkkid87.}''

<blockquote class="lappy email" style="background-image:none">
Dear Strong Bad, 
I love your Tragdor! 
Draw him AGAIN!!! 
-punkkid87
</blockquote>

''{Strong Mad and Strong Sad dance in the disco as they are announced. The Cheat slides into the screen and gets a close-up.}''

There's nobody dumber than Homestar Runner, 
On ''The Strong Bad Email Show''!

''{Homestar Runner breaks through the computer desk and bites into a sandwich of light bulbs. He has large cartoon teeth. The title of the Strong Bad show appears with Strong Bad's smiling face in front of a pink heart design.}''

''{The music ends. Cut back to Strong Bad sitting in front of the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And the ratings have gone through the roof. And let's not forget the life-affirming pop-ballad type theme song. Probably sung by some variety of Neville.

''{Fade to a scene with an unattended computer desk. The title "the Strong Bad Email Show" flies into the screen. There are flowers on the desk and pictures of The Cheat, Strong Mad and Strong Bad on the wall. The characters are introduced with their pictures flying across the screen and their names appearing on the screen. Strong Bad shows a shadow Trogdor to The Cheat.}''

'''POP BALLAD-TYPE THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
You and me babe, livin' for dreams. 
Life is for love, drinkin' for free. 
Sitting on top of an old robot, sharing and caring it out. 
Memory struggling ...

''{The music fades out and a clip montage starts, as Strong Bad's voiceover begins. Strong Bad is shown drinking a mix of coffee and a "COLDSON Lite" from a novelty drinking hat; he floats through space; he looks up from typing on his laptop, and then throws a stack of paper in the air.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And of course the best clips they show are from the un-aired pilot that you'll never see.

'''POP BALLAD-TYPE THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
Memory struggling you down! ''{fade out}''

''{The final shot shows Strong Bad in a tank before the clip montage fades out to "created by Lem Sportsinterviews".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And just when you think you finally get to start watching some of the actual show, now you get to watch a commercial!

''{Cut to real-life hands holding coins and peanuts. "$BUTT" is stamped on the screen, and then a Cakkalate brand calculator displays "BUTT X 2". Cut to the CGNU online e-niversity: "website Coming Soon(ish)". A set of college flags is shown, and then a hand clicking a mouse button demonstrates how easy it is to get degrees.}''

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' Do you make butt at your current job? Do you want to make twice butt? A shady online degree is just four clicks away at CGNU online e-niversity. Most colleges take four years to complete. At CGNU, one year equals one click.

''{Cut to Senor Cardgage in front of some boxes. His degrees are displayed on the screen as he moves his hand down.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' I got fourteen degrees while on my lunch take. Now I can legally prescribe marriages in the state of Kansattica.

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' Enroll now, and join the e-niversity e-volution e-day. Uh, well, today. That last one didn't quite work out.

''{The slogan is displayed over an "(On)line CGNU e-NIVERSITY" medal, as the commercial guy #1 says it.}''

''{Cut to a Powered By The Cheat-style intertitle showing Strong Bad chasing his laptop.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' We'll be right back with more ''Strong Bad Emails''.

''{Cut to balding man standing in front of a newspaper background.}''

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 2:''' ''{voiceover}'' Do you wanna cut your own arm off?

'''BALDING MAN:''' Huuuuaaaahuuuh...

''{Cut back to Strong Bad typing on his computer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Now, don't worry. Just in case you were hoping to get gipped out of another minute of actual show, you get to hear the jazzy instrumental version over the end credits!

''{Cut to Strong Bad talking into a microphone in front of Bubs' concession stand at night. End credits are shown over the scene.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And on the off-chance that you actually wanted to hear the theme song... we've taken care of that, too.

''{A program preview moves into the screen and squeezes the Strong Bad Email Show end credits into the left third of the screen. As the announcer announces ''Three is 4 Tonite'', the logo and the faces of the four main characters are shown. The graphics for the ''Cheat Commandos'' show Reynold being taped to a rocket and Fightgar checking the tape.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 2:''' ''{voiceover}'' Coming up later on ''Three is 4 Tonite'': join Mandy, Brandy, Andy, and Scurge, as they learn how to give a care. But first: they're tiny, they're toony, they're ''all'' a little loony. It's the Cheat Commandos.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' You see, Shaheen? ''{The Shaheen special effect appears}'' You're basically asking me to dedicate 2 minutes of my 3 to 5 minute email show, to what is essentially a commercial for something you're already watching! And besides, I give you people a new sbemail song every freakin' week. Allow me to leave you with the old standard 'When Email Comes to Town, You Know, You Know, It's Like a Rainstorm... In Your Browser.' ''{stops typing and starts singing}'' When email comes to town, you know, you know, it's like a rainstorm... in your browser.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

''{Funky theme song music is played and credits scroll by, while the Powered by The Cheat show preview squeezes into the screen.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 3:''' ''{voiceover}'' ''{chuckles}'' Next up on ''Powered By The Cheat'': Strong Mad gets his own talk show. And his first guest is hilarity!

''{Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad sits behind a late night talk show host desk in front of a skyline, and the guest with a The Cheat face with glasses jumps up from his seat and bounces in front of the camera.}''

==Easter Egg==
* Click on the talk show guest's [[The Cheat's Gold Tooth|gold tooth]] at the end of the email to see the Shaheen special effect.

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}
===Explanations===
*"Ad valorem" is a Latin phrase meaning "according to an object's value." It is most frequently used in describing an ''ad valorem'' tax.
*In the final credits, the credits for "Best Grip" and "Key Boy" are reversed versions of standard film credits [[Wikipedia:Best boy|best boy]] and [[Wikipedia:Key grip|key grip]].

===Trivia===
*This is the first time we see Homestar's teeth.
*This is another email in which we can see [[Strong Mad Smiling]], this time in the background of the second theme song.
*The floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#california_games|california games]]".
*In the first theme song, Strong Bad is seen typing on the [[Compy 386]] keyboard, seen previously in [[fingers]].
*The credits during the second theme song read:
**starring strong bad
**strong mad
**and the cheat baxter-birney
**produced by Levert Burtmore
**casting by Jess Ballthrow
**executive producer Smarmy Cafe
**created by Lem Sportsinterviews
*The navigation buttons in the web browser showing the CGNU online e-niversity read, from left to right:
**This Way
**That Way
**No way
**A Dog
*The college pennants (read clockwise from the top) are:
**I Love Most Colleges! (White against a blue background)
**Shower (White against an orange background with a baseballcap next to the text)
**Biscuit Gravy University (White against a purple background with a biscuit outlined by lavender in the background)
**TWO STRIPS!! (Brown against a yellow background with two strips of bacon beneath the text)
**FROGS!! (White on green with a white frog outlined to the left of the text)
**Homestar's Knees Tech (Pale yellow against a maroon background)
**STATE U (Black outlined white against a red background)
[[Image:CGNU_degrees.png|thumb|right|300px|Senor Cardgage's CGNU online diplomas]]
*The degrees available from CGNU online e-niversity (or at least the ones Senor Cardgage earned on his "lunch take") are:
**Business Administration
**Business Abomination
**Mousepad Engineer
**Infotainment Technology
**e-Cutting Ones
**The Lighter Side of Sports
**[[Matt Chapman|Matt]]'s Communications
**Business Wheeling
**Insider Trading
**Computer Graphs
**Bidness Dealing
**Caps Lock Technician
**Escrow Understandment
**Marriage Apothecary
*The credits in the middle of the email read:
**co-created by strong bad and [[Cherry Greg|cherry greg]]
**based upon the comedy stylings of [[Lil' Strong Bad|little strong bad]]
**teleplay by Sir [[Dolph Hauldhagen]]
**theme song by a Neville of some sort
**closing theme song by a Marsalis or two
**this has been a [[Cheap as Free|cheap as free]] production
*The credits at the end of the email read:
**Written by Geoff Rondleman
**Directed by [[Hot Tub]] T
**Produced by [[A. Chimendez]]
**Key Boy Tim "Timmers" Ballthrow
**Best Grip Not [[Lem Sportsinterviews]]
**Playa Hata [[Wikipedia:Stuart Scott|Stu Scott]]
**Script Supervisor Sid Hoffrenchman
**This show was filmed in front of a live studio audience.
**Soundtrack available as Cheap as Free Records
*The website for CGNU (http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/) does not exist, as only actual educational institutions can register .edu addresses. However, a fan has registered http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/, and recreated the page seen in the email; the list of degrees can be found by clicking on the exclamation point after "website Coming Soon(ish)"

===Remarks===
*"BUTT X 2" is the display on the calculator held upside down. It is not possible for most calculators to display "U" and "T" upside down (the typed numbers would have to be similar to a lowercase "N" and two "L"s back to back).
*"We'll be right back with more Strong Bad Email" is most likely voiced by [[Missy Palmer]], as it bears a resemblance to [[Marzipan]]'s voice.
*During the Crappy Cartoon theme song, the "Trogdor" email on the Lappy is displayed with the font from the [[Compy 386]], instead of the Lappy's current font.

===Goofs===
[[Image:SBETheme Song Goof.PNG|thumb|Mouthless...]]
[[Image:Sbscreen.PNG|thumb|Hilarity!]]

*There is no punctuation mark after Strong Bad types "Shaheen!" for the first time.
*During the scene in the end credits with Strong Bad telling jokes, his mouth disappears for one frame.

===Glitches===
*Strong Bad's head pokes into the Powered By The Cheat preview when the preview squeezes into the screen.
*When Strong Bad's portrait fades in and out of the screen during the ballad theme song, parts of his mask can be seen through his forehead diamond. (This is caused when two non-merged objects are faded at the same time, indicating Strong Bad's Diamond is actually a seperate object to his mask)

===Inside References===
*Once again, Strong Bad is called a [[Wrestleman]].
*In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|types with boxing gloves]].
*The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw [[Trogdor]] again – one of the [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006#Pre-animation Process - 4:05 p.m.|commonly sent emails that will not be answered]].
*The name of the email author who wants Strong Bad to draw Trogdor refers to the year [[1987]].
*Homestar Runner was first obsessed with light bulbs in [[long pants]].
*The flowers in the pot in the second theme song are from [[Summer Short Shorts]].
*Strong Bad is drinking [[Cold One#Coldson Lite|Coldson Lite]] from his hat.
*The email show is produced by [[Levert Burtmore]].
*The tank has the [[Strong Badia]] emblem on it.
*"BUTT X 2" is shown on a [[Cakkalate]]-brand calculator, which was introduced in [[technology]].
*[[Crazy Go Nuts University]] is offering online degrees.
*"Homestar's Knees Tech" is mentioned in [[mascot]].
*One of the courses Senor Cardgage took was "e-Cutting Ones" – "Cutting Ones" was offered in [[CGNU]].
*"Escrow" is one of the services offered by [[Senor Cardgage Mort-gage]].
*The Balding Man is in the same scene as he was in [[Senor Mortgage]].
*According to the credits, "The Strong Bad Email Show" is based on the comedy [[Style|stylings]] of Little Strong Bad, a reference to [[stand-up]].
*The teleplay was written by Sir [[Dolph Hauldhagen]], from [[other days]].
*According to the final end credits, the show was written by Geoff [[Unseen Characters#Mentioned|Rondleman]], previously mentioned in [[Biz Cas Fri 1]].
*The script supervisor was "Sid Hoffrenchman", a reference to [[Homestar's "Sid" Game]] in [[date]].
*Strong Mad's having his own show was previously suggested in [[the facts]].
**Also referenced in this email from [[the facts]] is the "We'll Be Right Back..." card, but with Strong Bad instead of Homestar.
*The "[[Strong Badia Action Cool News 5|Number Five Action Cool]]" logo, in the lower right hand corner at the end of the email, and the "Incredibly Local News", are references to [[local news]].
*In the end credits it says the director is [[Hot Tub]] T from Dangeresque 1, Dangeresque too?

===Real-World References===
*"Theme songs are just an excuse for showmakers to make less show" is exemplified with how ''[[Wikipedia:The Simpsons|The Simpsons]]' ''producers can make the theme song longer or shorter depending on the length of the show.
*The heart background shown at the end of the first theme song is very similar to the one found at the end of each episode of ''[[Wikipedia:The Powerpuff Girls|The Powerpuff Girls]]''.
* "They're tiny, they're toony, they're all a little loony" is a paraphrase of the first line of the theme song to ''[[Wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures|Tiny Toon Adventures]]''.
* In the second theme song, there are several successive references to late-'80s television shows:
** The succession of picture frames was a common element of several shows.
** The lyrics closely resemble the second verse from [http://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/growingpainslyrics.html the theme song] from ''[[Wikipedia:Growing_Pains|Growing Pains]]''.
** "The Cheat Baxter-Birney" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Meredith Baxter|Meredith Baxter]] (formerly Meredith Baxter Birney, from ''[[Wikipedia:Family Ties|Family Ties]]'').
** The font and style of "created by Lem Sportsinterviews" (yellow [[Wikipedia:Cooper Black|Cooper Black]] letters on a completely black background) is a reference to the closing credits of ''[[Wikipedia:Cheers|Cheers]]''.
*Strong Bad in front of the brick wall in the closing credits refers to Jerry Seinfeld's ending stand-up comedy segment of episodes of ''[[Wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]]''. The credit "based on the comedy stylings of Little Strong Bad" also refers to this and other programs starring comics.
* "Probably sung by some variety of Neville" refers to [[Wikipedia:The Neville Brothers|The Neville Brothers]], a group of soul singers. The most famous Neville brother, [[Wikipedia:Aaron Neville|Aaron Neville]], has a distinctive vibrato that has inspired many parodies throughout pop culture.
* "Closing theme song by a Marsalis or two" refers to the [[Wikipedia:Marsalis|Marsalis]] family of jazz musicians.
* ''[http://www.tvimedia.com/1_lss.htm The Lighter Side of Sports]'', a long-running, syndicated TV show, is one of Senor Cardgage's degrees.
**''[[Wikipedia:MAD Magazine|MAD Magazine]]'' also contained a comic strip called "The Lighter Side Of..." written by Dave Berg.
* The line "Do you want to cut your own arm off?" may refer to an Adjustable Rate Mortgage or A.R.M.
* The CGNU e-Niveristy commercial is a parody of online colleges.
* The style of the web browser used in the CGNU e-Niveristy ad strongly resembles [[Wikipedia:Internet_Explorer_for_Mac|Internet Explorer for Macintosh]].
* Stuart Scott, mentioned in the end credits, is a reporter for ESPN. "Playa hata", his title, refers to one of his oft-used phrases on air.

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|155|9407}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

[[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]

theme song

2006-08-11T18:51:11Z

Smallowman: /* Inside References */

{{aboutemail}}{{forshort|Theme Song Video}}
{{sbenav|155|keep cool|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:sbemail155.png|thumb|The email-checkinest guy in the land]]

Strong Bad explains why his email show doesn't have an official theme song.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Senor Cardgage}}, [[Balding Man]], {{Film|Fightgar}}, {{Film|Reynold}}, [[Powered by The Cheat Character Variations#Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad|Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Outer Space]], [[Alleyway]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Desert]].

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' August 7, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:57

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' When email comes to town, you know, you know, it's like a rainstorm... in your browser. ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: theme song</div>
Dear Super Bad, 
It bugs me how your email show doesn't have a theme song. 
If it did have a theme song, your show would be a whole 
lot cooler. 
Jonathan Shaheen 
Ontario, Canada
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "you" instead of "it" for the second it. He pronouces "Shaheen" as "Shaheeeeen", and lens flares and a sound effect appear over the name. He pronounces the location as "on-ta-REE-oh, cah-nah-DAH" (as though with a Mexican accent)}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oooh, a little south of the border flavor. ''{typing}'' Dear Supper Bag, It bugs ''me'' how your face doesn't have a not tons of acne. If it did have a not tons of acne, ''you'' would be a whole lot cooler.

''{Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Look, you don't know what you're talking about, Shaheen ''{Strong Bad pronounces "Shaheen" as "Shaheeeen", and the Shaheen special effect appears over the word}''  Theme songs are just an excuse for showmakers to make less show. I'm sure viewership would triple if I had one of those crappy cartoon theme songs that bludgeons you over the head with the blunt end of the show's premise.

''{Theme song music fades in over his last words. Cut to a smiling Strong Bad prancing in the basement.}''

'''CRAPPY CARTOON THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
Strong Bad is a wrestle man, 
He's the email-checkinest guy in the land. 
He checks real emails from the net, 
He's got two brothers and The Cheat, his pet. The Cheat, his Pet! 

''{"STRONG BAD" appears on the screen as the name is sung. Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. Lappy flies into the screen, showing an email from punkkid87.}''

<blockquote class="lappy email" style="background-image:none">
Dear Strong Bad, 
I love your Tragdor! 
Draw him AGAIN!!! 
-punkkid87
</blockquote>

''{Strong Mad and Strong Sad dance in the disco as they are announced. The Cheat slides into the screen and gets a close-up.}''

There's nobody dumber than Homestar Runner, 
On ''The Strong Bad Email Show''!

''{Homestar Runner breaks through the computer desk and bites into a sandwich of light bulbs. He has large cartoon teeth. The title of the Strong Bad show appears with Strong Bad's smiling face in front of a pink heart design.}''

''{The music ends. Cut back to Strong Bad sitting in front of the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And the ratings have gone through the roof. And let's not forget the life-affirming pop-ballad type theme song. Probably sung by some variety of Neville.

''{Fade to a scene with an unattended computer desk. The title "the Strong Bad Email Show" flies into the screen. There are flowers on the desk and pictures of The Cheat, Strong Mad and Strong Bad on the wall. The characters are introduced with their pictures flying across the screen and their names appearing on the screen. Strong Bad shows a shadow Trogdor to The Cheat.}''

'''POP BALLAD-TYPE THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
You and me babe, livin' for dreams. 
Life is for love, drinkin' for free. 
Sitting on top of an old robot, sharing and caring it out. 
Memory struggling ...

''{The music fades out and a clip montage starts, as Strong Bad's voiceover begins. Strong Bad is shown drinking a mix of coffee and a "COLDSON Lite" from a novelty drinking hat; he floats through space; he looks up from typing on his laptop, and then throws a stack of paper in the air.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And of course the best clips they show are from the un-aired pilot that you'll never see.

'''POP BALLAD-TYPE THEME SONG:''' ''{singing}'' 
Memory struggling you down! ''{fade out}''

''{The final shot shows Strong Bad in a tank before the clip montage fades out to "created by Lem Sportsinterviews".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And just when you think you finally get to start watching some of the actual show, now you get to watch a commercial!

''{Cut to real-life hands holding coins and peanuts. "$BUTT" is stamped on the screen, and then a Cakkalate brand calculator displays "BUTT X 2". Cut to the CGNU online e-niversity: "website Coming Soon(ish)". A set of college flags is shown, and then a hand clicking a mouse button demonstrates how easy it is to get degrees.}''

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' Do you make butt at your current job? Do you want to make twice butt? A shady online degree is just four clicks away at CGNU online e-niversity. Most colleges take four years to complete. At CGNU, one year equals one click.

''{Cut to Senor Cardgage in front of some boxes. His degrees are displayed on the screen as he moves his hand down.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' I got fourteen degrees while on my lunch take. Now I can legally prescribe marriages in the state of Kansattica.

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' Enroll now, and join the e-niversity e-volution e-day. Uh, well, today. That last one didn't quite work out.

''{The slogan is displayed over an "(On)line CGNU e-NIVERSITY" medal, as the commercial guy #1 says it.}''

''{Cut to a Powered By The Cheat-style intertitle showing Strong Bad chasing his laptop.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 1:''' ''{voiceover}'' We'll be right back with more ''Strong Bad Emails''.

''{Cut to balding man standing in front of a newspaper background.}''

'''COMMERCIAL GUY 2:''' ''{voiceover}'' Do you wanna cut your own arm off?

'''BALDING MAN:''' Huuuuaaaahuuuh...

''{Cut back to Strong Bad typing on his computer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Now, don't worry. Just in case you were hoping to get gipped out of another minute of actual show, you get to hear the jazzy instrumental version over the end credits!

''{Cut to Strong Bad talking into a microphone in front of Bubs' concession stand at night. End credits are shown over the scene.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And on the off-chance that you actually wanted to hear the theme song... we've taken care of that, too.

''{A program preview moves into the screen and squeezes the Strong Bad Email Show end credits into the left third of the screen. As the announcer announces ''Three is 4 Tonite'', the logo and the faces of the four main characters are shown. The graphics for the ''Cheat Commandos'' show Reynold being taped to a rocket and Fightgar checking the tape.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 2:''' ''{voiceover}'' Coming up later on ''Three is 4 Tonite'': join Mandy, Brandy, Andy, and Scurge, as they learn how to give a care. But first: they're tiny, they're toony, they're ''all'' a little loony. It's the Cheat Commandos.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' You see, Shaheen? ''{The Shaheen special effect appears}'' You're basically asking me to dedicate 2 minutes of my 3 to 5 minute email show, to what is essentially a commercial for something you're already watching! And besides, I give you people a new sbemail song every freakin' week. Allow me to leave you with the old standard 'When Email Comes to Town, You Know, You Know, It's Like a Rainstorm... In Your Browser.' ''{stops typing and starts singing}'' When email comes to town, you know, you know, it's like a rainstorm... in your browser.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

''{Funky theme song music is played and credits scroll by, while the Powered by The Cheat show preview squeezes into the screen.}''

'''ANNOUNCER 3:''' ''{voiceover}'' ''{chuckles}'' Next up on ''Powered By The Cheat'': Strong Mad gets his own talk show. And his first guest is hilarity!

''{Powered by The Cheat Strong Mad sits behind a late night talk show host desk in front of a skyline, and the guest with a The Cheat face with glasses jumps up from his seat and bounces in front of the camera.}''

==Easter Egg==
* Click on the talk show guest's [[The Cheat's Gold Tooth|gold tooth]] at the end of the email to see the Shaheen special effect.

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}
===Explanations===
*"Ad valorem" is a Latin phrase meaning "according to an object's value." It is most frequently used in describing an ''ad valorem'' tax.
*In the final credits, the credits for "Best Grip" and "Key Boy" are reversed versions of standard film credits [[Wikipedia:Best boy|best boy]] and [[Wikipedia:Key grip|key grip]].

===Trivia===
*This is the first time we see Homestar's teeth.
*This is another email in which we can see [[Strong Mad Smiling]], this time in the background of the second theme song.
*The floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#california_games|california games]]".
*In the first theme song, Strong Bad is seen typing on the [[Compy 386]] keyboard, seen previously in [[fingers]].
*The credits during the second theme song read:
**starring strong bad
**strong mad
**and the cheat baxter-birney
**produced by Levert Burtmore
**casting by Jess Ballthrow
**executive producer Smarmy Cafe
**created by Lem Sportsinterviews
*The navigation buttons in the web browser showing the CGNU online e-niversity read, from left to right:
**This Way
**That Way
**No way
**A Dog
*The college pennants (read clockwise from the top) are:
**I Love Most Colleges! (White against a blue background)
**Shower (White against an orange background with a baseballcap next to the text)
**Biscuit Gravy University (White against a purple background with a biscuit outlined by lavender in the background)
**TWO STRIPS!! (Brown against a yellow background with two strips of bacon beneath the text)
**FROGS!! (White on green with a white frog outlined to the left of the text)
**Homestar's Knees Tech (Pale yellow against a maroon background)
**STATE U (Black outlined white against a red background)
[[Image:CGNU_degrees.png|thumb|right|300px|Senor Cardgage's CGNU online diplomas]]
*The degrees available from CGNU online e-niversity (or at least the ones Senor Cardgage earned on his "lunch take") are:
**Business Administration
**Business Abomination
**Mousepad Engineer
**Infotainment Technology
**e-Cutting Ones
**The Lighter Side of Sports
**[[Matt Chapman|Matt]]'s Communications
**Business Wheeling
**Insider Trading
**Computer Graphs
**Bidness Dealing
**Caps Lock Technician
**Escrow Understandment
**Marriage Apothecary
*The credits in the middle of the email read:
**co-created by strong bad and [[Cherry Greg|cherry greg]]
**based upon the comedy stylings of [[Lil' Strong Bad|little strong bad]]
**teleplay by Sir [[Dolph Hauldhagen]]
**theme song by a Neville of some sort
**closing theme song by a Marsalis or two
**this has been a [[Cheap as Free|cheap as free]] production
*The credits at the end of the email read:
**Written by Geoff Rondleman
**Directed by [[Hot Tub]] T
**Produced by [[A. Chimendez]]
**Key Boy Tim "Timmers" Ballthrow
**Best Grip Not [[Lem Sportsinterviews]]
**Playa Hata [[Wikipedia:Stuart Scott|Stu Scott]]
**Script Supervisor Sid Hoffrenchman
**This show was filmed in front of a live studio audience.
**Soundtrack available as Cheap as Free Records
*The website for CGNU (http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/) does not exist, as only actual educational institutions can register .edu addresses. However, a fan has registered http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/, and recreated the page seen in the email; the list of degrees can be found by clicking on the exclamation point after "website Coming Soon(ish)"

===Remarks===
*"BUTT X 2" is the display on the calculator held upside down. It is not possible for most calculators to display "U" and "T" upside down (the typed numbers would have to be similar to a lowercase "N" and two "L"s back to back).
*"We'll be right back with more Strong Bad Email" is most likely voiced by [[Missy Palmer]], as it bears a resemblance to [[Marzipan]]'s voice.
*During the Crappy Cartoon theme song, the "Trogdor" email on the Lappy is displayed with the font from the [[Compy 386]], instead of the Lappy's current font.

===Goofs===
[[Image:SBETheme Song Goof.PNG|thumb|Mouthless...]]
[[Image:Sbscreen.PNG|thumb|Hilarity!]]

*There is no punctuation mark after Strong Bad types "Shaheen!" for the first time.
*During the scene in the end credits with Strong Bad telling jokes, his mouth disappears for one frame.

===Glitches===
*Strong Bad's head pokes into the Powered By The Cheat preview when the preview squeezes into the screen.
*When Strong Bad's portrait fades in and out of the screen during the ballad theme song, parts of his mask can be seen through his forehead diamond. (This is caused when two non-merged objects are faded at the same time, indicating Strong Bad's Diamond is actually a seperate object to his mask)

===Inside References===
*Once again, Strong Bad is called a [[Wrestleman]].
*In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|types with boxing gloves]].
*The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw [[Trogdor]] again – one of the [[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006#Pre-animation Process - 4:05 p.m.|commonly sent emails that will not be answered]].
*The name of the email author who wants Strong Bad to draw Trogdor refers to the year [[1987]].
*Homestar Runner was first obsessed with light bulbs in [[long pants]].
*The flowers in the pot in the second theme song are from [[Summer Short Shorts]].
*Strong Bad is drinking [[Cold One#Coldson Lite|Coldson Lite]] from his hat.
*The email show is produced by [[Levert Burtmore]].
*The tank has the [[Strong Badia]] emblem on it.
*"BUTT X 2" is shown on a [[Cakkalate]]-brand calculator, which was introduced in [[technology]].
*[[Crazy Go Nuts University]] is offering online degrees.
*"Homestar's Knees Tech" is mentioned in [[mascot]].
*One of the courses Senor Cardgage took was "e-Cutting Ones" – "Cutting Ones" was offered in [[CGNU]].
*"Escrow" is one of the services offered by [[Senor Cardgage Mort-gage]].
*The Balding Man is in the same scene as he was in [[Senor Mortgage]].
*According to the credits, "The Strong Bad Email Show" is based on the comedy [[Style|stylings]] of Little Strong Bad, a reference to [[stand-up]].
*The teleplay was written by Sir [[Dolph Hauldhagen]], from [[other days]].
*According to the final end credits, the show was written by Geoff [[Unseen Characters#Mentioned|Rondleman]], previously mentioned in [[Biz Cas Fri 1]].
*The script supervisor was "Sid Hoffrenchman", a reference to [[Homestar's "Sid" Game]] in [[date]].
*Strong Mad's having his own show was previously suggested in [[the facts]].
**Also referenced in this email from [[the facts]] is the "We'll Be Right Back..." card, but with Strong Bad instead of Homestar.
*The "[[Strong Badia Action Cool News 5|Number Five Action Cool]]" logo, in the lower right hand corner at the end of the email, and the "Incredibly Local News", are references to [[local news]].
*In the end credits it says the director is Hot Tub T from Dangeresque 1, Dangeresque too?

===Real-World References===
*"Theme songs are just an excuse for showmakers to make less show" is exemplified with how ''[[Wikipedia:The Simpsons|The Simpsons]]' ''producers can make the theme song longer or shorter depending on the length of the show.
*The heart background shown at the end of the first theme song is very similar to the one found at the end of each episode of ''[[Wikipedia:The Powerpuff Girls|The Powerpuff Girls]]''.
* "They're tiny, they're toony, they're all a little loony" is a paraphrase of the first line of the theme song to ''[[Wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures|Tiny Toon Adventures]]''.
* In the second theme song, there are several successive references to late-'80s television shows:
** The succession of picture frames was a common element of several shows.
** The lyrics closely resemble the second verse from [http://www.lyricsondemand.com/tvthemes/growingpainslyrics.html the theme song] from ''[[Wikipedia:Growing_Pains|Growing Pains]]''.
** "The Cheat Baxter-Birney" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Meredith Baxter|Meredith Baxter]] (formerly Meredith Baxter Birney, from ''[[Wikipedia:Family Ties|Family Ties]]'').
** The font and style of "created by Lem Sportsinterviews" (yellow [[Wikipedia:Cooper Black|Cooper Black]] letters on a completely black background) is a reference to the closing credits of ''[[Wikipedia:Cheers|Cheers]]''.
*Strong Bad in front of the brick wall in the closing credits refers to Jerry Seinfeld's ending stand-up comedy segment of episodes of ''[[Wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]]''. The credit "based on the comedy stylings of Little Strong Bad" also refers to this and other programs starring comics.
* "Probably sung by some variety of Neville" refers to [[Wikipedia:The Neville Brothers|The Neville Brothers]], a group of soul singers. The most famous Neville brother, [[Wikipedia:Aaron Neville|Aaron Neville]], has a distinctive vibrato that has inspired many parodies throughout pop culture.
* "Closing theme song by a Marsalis or two" refers to the [[Wikipedia:Marsalis|Marsalis]] family of jazz musicians.
* ''[http://www.tvimedia.com/1_lss.htm The Lighter Side of Sports]'', a long-running, syndicated TV show, is one of Senor Cardgage's degrees.
**''[[Wikipedia:MAD Magazine|MAD Magazine]]'' also contained a comic strip called "The Lighter Side Of..." written by Dave Berg.
* The line "Do you want to cut your own arm off?" may refer to an Adjustable Rate Mortgage or A.R.M.
* The CGNU e-Niveristy commercial is a parody of online colleges.
* The style of the web browser used in the CGNU e-Niveristy ad strongly resembles [[Wikipedia:Internet_Explorer_for_Mac|Internet Explorer for Macintosh]].
* Stuart Scott, mentioned in the end credits, is a reporter for ESPN. "Playa hata", his title, refers to one of his oft-used phrases on air.

==External Links==
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{{Strong Bad Email}}

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Talk:theme song

2006-08-11T18:42:15Z

Smallowman: /* Homestar's teeth */

==Homestar's teeth==
HOMESTAR HAS TEETH!!!!! WHAT IS THE WERLD COMING TOOO???????!!!!--{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:I thought it was cute. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Well, that's just beacause you think eyerything's cute hence your name. I however think it's very creepy
<s>beacause I think everything's creepy, hence my name</s>. {{User:Stongbah/sig}} 17:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Homestar has teeth, and that's weird...but am I the only one that noticed that Strong Mad's and Homestar Runners teeth are drawn in ALMOST the same way? (Strong Mad's teeth are somewhat bigger.}

It freaked me out too when I saw his teeth it was funny when he ate a lightbulb sandwich though - [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 18:42, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==Whyyyy??==
It seems like every new e-mail nowadays has a little part of an e-mail that I sent- but mine never really gets answered! Like, a while ago, I sent Strong Bad an email about getting a talkshow- now he has one? Ahhh!!! {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Well, I did ask him about a theme song once... however, it was a ''personal'' theme song, and before [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] came out (which sorta answered the question.) And I asked him a question relating to [[alternate universe]]s, but again, it wasn't really related to the 'toon in question when I asked it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Strong Bad gets 3000 emails a day, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chances are pretty high that they get questions about theme songs every other day.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::wall street journal??!!??, who cares about what some funny guy with the last name street thinks, and why are you reading his journal anywho?{{User:Csours/sig}} 13:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, I know. It's just aggrivating. And, Csours- ''I'' care about it, because I just happen to like the Wall Street Journal. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Wally street is perhaps the coolest guy i ever met. and its his fault for publishing his journal in the first place!-- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

==Strong Bad e-mail will be right back...==
The person who said Strong Bad e-mail will be right back after these messages was clearly not Mike or Matt or Missy. Could it have been Jackie? {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Jackie whom? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 11:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::[[Jackie Chapman]], of course (there is a search bar for one to utilize) <3 . —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:It sounds like the same voice as Nibbles, at any rate. Probably Matt or Mike sped up digitally. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 12:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

After a brief listen to the seniorprom outtake, I think that it was Missy, without being 100% sure.[[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 12:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Sounded like Missy/Marzy to me. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I thought, but isn't Marzi's voice a bit more 'squeaky'? If you know what I mean... [[User:InvaderJem]]

::: Homestar and Strong Bad are done by the same voice actor, but sound almost nothing alike. I don't think it was meant to be Marzipan, specifically, but probably Missy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If you pitch-shift it down, it sounds similar to Mike... not exactly the same, but similar... the accent's a bit different though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg ==

They only put in one easter egg. I'm letting them get away with this for one reason: There is NOTHING more fun than making The Cheat's tooth do the Shaheeeeeen effect.

:Shaheen! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== 14 degrees below zero. ==
(degrees removed because they's there now)
:also, the transcript says that the first guest is hilarity, i think he said celerity. because celerity would be funnier.
::(rio grande comment also removed for the same reason)
{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Location, Location, Location==

When Strong Bad says "south of the border flavor", wouldn't this mean the Free Country USA is above Canada? [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]
:No, it means Strong Bad doesn't know his geography very well. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::read the last thing i wrote, right above this.{{User:Csours/sig}} 15:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dog thing- It's 'cause of how he says Ontario. Wit a Spainish accent. So there you go. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 19:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Plus, if he was above Canada, he would be practically on the North pole, rending shortlessness, pool time, and Summer impossible.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:And he wouldn't be in Free Country "USA". -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

Well, darn. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]

== Well, There Go My Hopes... ==

I sent in an email talking about theme songs to Strong Bad, and when it said "theme song" on the main page, my heart fricken skipped a beat. But alas, it wasn't mine. Dang you and your shiny last name Shaween! - {{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Inside References and the Trivia section ==

A great deal of the Inside References are referring to the credits. I put up a couple internal links in the credits, but should I move more of them? Or take them out and let Inside References continue to be huge?
:Could Tim Timmers be a reference to Tip Tappers?
::What do you mean by reference? [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]

==That hit the nail on the head==

I really don't like the fact that many shows go to commercials right after the intro, then have this thing that tells you they'll be right back. You could've told us that ''before'' you went to commercials. Also, I don't like the distorted end credis and muted end song just to advertize what's next. Can't they wait until after the credits?

The one thing they didn't do was those annoying popup ads some TV shows seem to have nowadays. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:They did that with ''Walking with Trogdor'' in [[myths & legends]].{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Senor Cardgage wearing a hat==

This is the first time we see [[Senor Cardgage]] wearing a hat. He looks like a rascal wearing a backwards cap and glasses; course, he's always wearing glasses. —[[User:Brian Barbera|Brian Barbera]] 20:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== First Homestar teeth sighting ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this the first time we see his teeth? We put marzipan's first teeth-sighting in whatever article that was, so i think we should do it for homestar too. --[[User:TrogdorTSL|Tyler]] 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Uh, check the Trivia section. It's been up there for a while... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Homestars teeth look freaky to me. I hope we never see them again. [[User:Strongbad111|Strongbad111]]

== NOLA connection ==

Probably unnotable for the main page, but it's interesting that both the Nevilles and the Marsalises are native to New Orleans. Thought I'd just mention it here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:While we're at it: This is a reference to the Neville brothers how? Just because they're musicians and their name is "Neville"? I don't get it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::They're quite famous here in the U.S. (especially Aaron), and their style is the same kind of pop ballad as the theme song. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::OK, convinced :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I might add that I have had the opportunity to play with members of each family (Charles and Delfeayo respectively) but that's ''certainly'' not notable on the main page! Still, it's [[kind of cool]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::sounds cool to me. you from norlans?{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Tiny toon adventures ==

I am 100% sertaint that the anounser describing the cheat comandos is the same line from the themes song from Tiny Toon adventures. Im gonna add this once the editin gdies down.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's already mentioned in Real World References. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Yah, I saw that right after I posted this. My bad. [[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Its not paraphrased, its a direct quote, gonna change it in a second {{unsigned|DumbMuscle|17:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)}}
::::It ''is'' paraphrased. The real lyrics go "We're tiny, we're toony" and the email goes "''they're'' tiny, ''they're'' toony". See [[Wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures#Theme Tune lyrics|Tiny Toon Adventures → Theme Tune lyrics]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fact Merge ==

# In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves.
# The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw Trogdor again – one of the commonly sent emails that will not be answered.

We could probably merge that into one, seeing as they are both emails that will not be answered (explaining how Strong Bad types with his boxing gloves and redoing an old e-mail). My suggestion: "Seeing how Strong Bad types with his boxing glove, and an e-mailer asking Strong Bad to redo an e-mail are both examples of e-mails that will never be answered". Somebody better at Wikipedianese will have to rewrite that. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad typing with boxing gloves on is not a reference to emails asking him about it. It's simply what he does. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:This does not actually show how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. It merely shows that he does. If you watch a magician saw a woman in half, it doesnt show how he does it, only that he "did". -JamesDean

:Then the fact is still wrong, because it says we see how, but in actuality we just see that he does. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:is this the first time weve seen sb type with glove on from the side? the other times have been from his perspective, i think..{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Super Bad ==

I just wondeling, is the way Johnathan Shaheen adresses SB a reference to [http://www.superbad.com/ superbad.com]?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:It's arguable that since it was the email writer who made a possible reference, not TBC, it's a moot point, and it's not worth noting. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::More: A writer from Ontario making a reference to a California graphic designer's website on The Strong Bad Email Show? Nah... doesn't work for me. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::that is one weird website tho.{{User:Csours/sig}} 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Get Your Degree ==

I tried to go to [[www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/]] and got nothing. Someone (preferably the brothers Chaps, but really any of us) needs to do something about that. Or did I mistype?-- [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 02:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:.edu addresses are only available to actual educational institutions. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::Interestingly, if you replace .edu with .com, you get redirected to a real-estate website. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. When I went to http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ I got exactly the same website shown in the sbemail: "ebsite Coming Soon(ish)!". Maybe someone should put this reference in the article?
::::if you view it in firefox (my version anyway) you only see the black letters, no colors. {{User:Csours/sig}} 18:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I found a link to [http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ehome-html.html this page] hidden in the exclamation mark after "Soon(ish)". It's just Senor Cardgage's degree list. A [http://whois.domaintools.com/cgnuonline-eniversity.com Whois lookup] reveals that the site is not registered to TBC. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== The lighter side of fun facts ==

Should the Mad magazine or the sports show reference be the one used? There are four possible votes.

* Mad, as it's more prevalent
* Sports show, as it's a closer match to title
* Both, as there are arguments for both
* Neither, TTATOT

Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:The sports show's title is a perfect match. And I believe TBC have made many more sports references than MAD references. So I think the sports show is definitely the winner here. I also believe it should be included, as most non-Americans won't have heard of the show (like me).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am an American, and I've never heard of the sports show. But my friends and I all read Mad. I think we need more voices. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Casper Theme ==

I feel the first theme song sounds more like the theme song to the original "Casper" cartoon than the Barney Theme... or is this my imagination? "Casper, the friendly ghost..." --Tempestryder
*I can kind of hear the Casper similarity, but honestly I think it just has a generic sing-song tone. I removed the Barney reference. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
== Degrees of Separation ==
Since the degrees cgnu online offers are already listed in the entry for Crazy go Nuts University, we should simply link to them here. *_Aaron_*
:I think the degrees should stay with the email. They don't take up that much space, and besides we already have the lists of credits. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Spelling of "Gip"==
Hi,

Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp (and to be fair also see http://www.answers.com/topic/gip)

Will you allow my edit of [[theme song]] to stick now?

Thanks [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:I see your comment in the themesong page. Why don't you note that what SB typed is a mis-spelling? Other transcripts do that. "Gyp" is a slur, related to Gypsies' reputation as thieves. That's why "gyp" is the correct spelling. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40 00:24]], 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::You do realise that the first link you gave [http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp] says that it's also spelled "gipped"?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure. But the second [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip] doesn't say anything about it (this meaning). "Gip" is obviously not considered a canonical spelling of this particular term by the American Heritage Dictionary, but variant instead. Why don't we add it to the transcript with the note about SB's variant spelling? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That first link you gave is GIP in all caps. Did you see this article [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip-1]? Variants are not misspellings, and are not really important to note. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It is also questionable that "gyp" really is a slur (see the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]], though as we discovered earlier today, "gip" is actually not present there for some reason.) We had this discussion earlier today. At any rate, Strong Bad actually types the word "gipped", and according to our [[HRWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]], what Strong Bad types is what we type, whether misspelled, nonsensical, or contrary to what he actually says (though in that last case, we also note what he actually says.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That's why I didn't put the slur under "Fun Facts" - I know lots of people would howl about it. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::[[http://www.google.com/search?q=gyp+roma+slur It's clear]]. Maybe not to lots of people in general, especially Americans, but it's not imaginary. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Even if we accept it, why does it matter to the topic at hand? Many dictionaries accept "gip" as a viable alternative. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Citations, please? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Why? I believe it's notable. Want me to find examples of SBEmail transcripts where similar things were noted? I'm only trying to note the spelling issue, not the slurring issue. That doens't belong in the transcript, but instead in Trivia or something. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gip] [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/gip.html] [http://www.bartleby.com/61/16/G0131600.html] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then it would be a valid precedent. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then I will happily remove it there too, 'cause I really don't think variants are notable. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::could i just say that gypsy type persons are not actually from egypt, and much prefer to be called roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 14:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: As you say, "Gypsy" all by itself is a slur, or at best insensitive. "Gyp" is a DOUBLE slur, then, as you clearly noted in your reference to stealing children (editlog comment). I'd say the verdict is in: this will make a KILLER Fun Fact. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Don't delete it, STUFF it (Roma Fun Fact: Real World References) ==

JAY:

Do you have some specific agenda against this subject, or, do you just not think the Fun Fact is true or notable?

It's not fair for you to take it upon yourself to determine its validity. Please either put it back or STUFF it so all can weigh in.

FYI everybody else:

Jay deleted the following from Real World References in Fun Facts.

* "Gipped" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Roma_people#Roma_and_crime|Roma]] ethnic group, who have been stereotyped for centuries as "thieving Gypsies".

[[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
: We've discussed it three ways to Thursday already. Not only is it of questionable veracity, but we don't need to explain the meanings of common words on this Wiki. I mean, we don't create facts like: "A [[Wikipedia:Tire|Tire]] is a round rubber wheel commonly placed on vehicles" on the [[Tire]] page, do we? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Why didn't you comment when I said I'd add this, instead of lurking, waiting to pounce to delete it? You win the edit war for now, because I won't continue it, but for you to participate in the discussion would have been way more classy. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Besides: You are wrong. This hasn't been discussed however many ways to whatday. This is a Fun Fact proposal. What we discussed before was the Transcript and the spelling, not the reference or the notability of ethnic slurs on the part of H*R characters and authors. Again: Please STUFF this. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Crap the what? Lurking?! I did no such thing! I simply saw a new edit on [[Special:Recentchanges]], decided it didn't work on the page, and reverted it. I didn't even look to see who added it! Next of all, your attacks toward me are unappreciated. And, no, I will not STUFF this. I don't see a reason to. No one else that I've seen supports adding this fact, at least not with the fever pitch you are supporting it with. If someone else with a user name decides that it's STUFFable, then they can, but I won't. You're really not in a position to make demands of me, you know. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::So, Jay: Am I to understand that when you deleted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=354672&oldid=354664 this], you had not seen [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:theme_song&diff=354631&oldid=354626 this]? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::That would be a fair assessment, yes. Though I question where you got the idea that "the verdict [was] in" that it was such a "KILLER" fact, given that I saw no consensus of the fact, since I did not see said edit, I did not personally respond. Frankly, I didn't even know the discussion had been moved off of my Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: That's why I thought you were lurking in wait. I indicated my intentions, then got denied in short order in editwarrior fashion when I carried it out. Regarding your selfrighteous crabbing about me not seeing the History comments defining a previous "consensus" (of two persons) on that subject, I'd say you better start practicing what you preach: Read the discussions - not least, the Talk page of the article you're watchdogging. I gave fair warning before posting my Fun Fact. Even if I had not, you can discuss it in your edit comment with something more communicative than "'''m''' ''(Reverted edits by 198.49.180.40 (Talk); changed back to last version by 68.54.154.79)''". It makes you look like a robot at best, an undemocratic snob at worst. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 23:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Dude, chill. Don't get personal. If you don't know how the HRWiki works, then don't blame others for it. I would have reversed those edits myself if Jay hadn't been faster; there was nothing wrong with what Jay did. If you really want this fact to be mentioned, then create a user account and STUFF it. But don't dish out insults here. There's really nothing further to talk about on this talk page.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I have a "rollback" button to revert edits; that's what created the nonspecific "reverted" summary. I try not to overuse it, but sometimes I just don't feel like taking the three extra steps to go back to a previous version just to revert something that people are likely to delete anyway. I mostly use it for vandalism, but sometimes (like in this case) just for issues that have been discussed in the past anyway. I'm sorry that you feel that this is somehow a personal issue. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, I have to say that I did agree with you, 198.49.180.40, until I read the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]] link. The connection may be notable if "gyp" really is a racial slur, but since it's questionable that "gyp" is derived from "Gypsies", there's nothing solid enough to form into a fun fact. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: So, WHY does "gyp" mean stealing or fraud, if it's NOT derived from that stereotype? Where DOES it come from? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I agree with you, Jay, but when I read your posts, the always seem to have a negative and rude air about them. Calm down, dude. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: He's been pushing this down my throat (and, to a lesser, degree, other people's throats, but he's singled me out specifically) since yesterday, ignoring all evidence against his viewpoint, and today he's attacking me directly by saying that I was "lurking" on the page and "pouncing" on his edit, and it's ''my'' posts that have a rude air about them. I hope you can understand if I'm a bit miffed by his attitude. As for his question, a possible etymology is discussed through a page linked on the Wiktionary. For all the references I've seen, they say the gypsy link is likely, but not that there's any evidence of it besides a spelling similarity. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: I have utterly, completely conceded to you on the SPELLING issue. That's NOT stuffing anything down anyone's throat. You WON that one, I'm DONE with it. NOW: regarding the Fun Fact, YOU are the one whose tactics evoke an editwar. Not only have you NOT chosen to discuss your knee-jerk, lightning-fast reverts, you have slandered me when forced inoto a discussion. I say again: STUFF it, don't delete it. Why can't you STUFF it? A reasonable person would STUFF it when disagreement on a Fun Fact comes up. I don't have anything to say about Cutepetsrus's accusation of rudeness. Leave me out of that please - it's not my fight. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: I'm not slandering you - my beef is that you DID force me into a discussion, and then you accused me (and still are accusing me!) of actions I did not take. If you want it STUFFed so badly, then create a user name and STUFF it. I'm not stopping you from doing that. I'll vote against it if you do, but I'm not standing in your way. (Someone ''will'' delete it if you don't create a user name; that's required of STUFF participants.) Often, Fun Facts get comments like "This is really Talk page material," for detractors, which is how I see this debate. Now then, my "lightning fast revert" was me seeing a new edit on Recent Changes, looking at it, noticing that it was an issue that is pretty much cleared up among all of the regulars, and reverting it. The regulars on this Wiki do things like that all the time. You are taking this way too personally - I would have no problem with you if not for all the yelling at me, but we've already discussed this fact (it came up once before you joined in) and decided against. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Where is that discussion, which you claim the "regulars" already had? It's not on '''this''' page. If you're gonna have a secret committee deciding this stuff, don't be surprised or selfrighteous when someone who didn't read the entire editlog comment history puts up something your Star Chamber already nixed. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It's in the History of the main article page. I'm not accusing you of being stupid or ignorant or whatever for not reading it; my point isn't that you didn't read it. If you didn't read it, you didn't read it. My point is that it happened. Thus, if you made the edit once, it was forgivable. Understandable, even. And, okay, I thought I had brought it up in the previous conversation (see above); apparently, I was mistaken in that, because I don't see it, and I'm sorry for that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it only makes sense to mention that "gipped" is an ethnic slur if we believe that the Brothers Chap did mean it that way. But as the annony said himself, this meaning might not be obvious to Americans, i.e. the Brothers Chap. Furthermore, they also used the less obvious "gipped" instead of "gypped", giving us even less reason to believe they meant it that way. I myself am not willing to accuse them of ethnic slander on the basis of such brittle assumptions.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

: I don't agree. It makes sense to mention it because it's a point of cultural significance, not because TBC '''know''' it's a slur or '''meant''' it as such. Furthermore it's an opportunity to educate. I'm not accusing anyone of insensitivity, I'm trying to bring it to light so ignorance isn't perpetuated. If my kid followed Strong Bad's example, I'd want him to know what he's really saying. Same with anyone who reads hrwiki.org. Believe me, countless Fun Facts are far less "notable" and far, far, far more '''obvious'''. And this '''would not''' be the first Fun Fact that TBC might not have known about. Far from it - accepted, notable Fun Facts are '''full''' of stuff that they didn't think of ahead of time. Of course, they're also full of stuff they '''did''' think of. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Jay, Trey56, Cute Pets R Us, and Loafing. The fact is it's very unlikely that TBC meant an ethnic slur. I have grown up with this word my whole life and didn't know until very recently (when I needed to know how to spell it) that it had any (possible) connection whatsoever with gypsies. If they didn't mean it other than the standard "swindled", then it's just not notable what the etymology is. Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a dork all the time, but we don't for a second believe that TBC are referring to the real meaning of that word. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, this has gone '''way too far'''. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The fact remains: unless you (198 or anyone else) can provide a source to support your stance that "gypped" is derived from "gypsy", to counter the [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link that has been mentioned several times], then it's ''not'' going to be a Fun Fact... we just don't quote things as ''fact'' that are in question among academics. And no, a link like [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=gyp this one] that just says "probably short for Gypsy" doesn't count... it's just an assertion, no actual evidence, and it still restrains it with "probably". If you do find one then it'll probably go to STUFF, since it becomes just a purely "is this notable" debate, but before then it's a discussion of facts and belongs on a talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Here's a discussion on possible origins for the word "gyp": http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/634.html; it does appear that no one knows just how it came into useage. Odd, for such a relatively recent word. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 23:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::in regard to the discussion about the word gyp itself, 3 things: the roma came to europe in the 1500, 2. in regard to the servants at the college, they had to get their name from somewhere, possiply it is derived from gypsy itself. 3. gee-up, this is a stupid derivation. they just wanted to continue to use the word and have a non-racial derivation to continue to use it. 4. in regard for its use being recent, and localized to the united states, while the origin of the word gypsy is in england, there is a possible link to early silent films trying to sensationalize things by using contraversial stereotypes. 5. three my lord three!! {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Interesting. Can you cite sources? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::nope, not a bit. however, all of those sites list gyp as being 'probably' derived from gypsy, which DOES MEAN that gyp is related to the racial stereotype of gyspies in the public consciousness. well, at leat the public that is conscious of it... btw, do we have any instances of where tbc have changed a toon based on something a fansite wrote about it? {{User:Csours/sig}} 04:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Re number 2: I [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link to here once again], which says that it comes "from the obsolete French ''jupeau''." As for most sources listing it as "probably from ''gypsy''", Fun Facts with "probably" in them tend to get axed unless they are especially relevant to the toon... and this isn't. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::sry, i dont read french. also, i agree that this isnt relevent to the toon.{{User:Csours/sig}} 16:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:yea, if there was any kind of discussion in the email or toon about ethnicity or things like that, this might be a fun fact. as it is, i would consider it ttatot. i DO happen to think that gypped or gipped (as you cant discern a difference between the pronounciations in american english they are the same word to me) is a racial slur against the roma people, but i do not think it is in any way pertinent to the discussion of this email, as most people do not have any idea that there is a real group of people called gypsies or roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Based on the comedy of... ==

I don't think that's just a reference to Jerry Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure that phrase is used on and about other sitcoms centered around a character played by a stand up comedian; I know they say "based on the comedy of Ray Romano" in the credits of Everybody Loves Raymond, and I've heard the phrase "based on the comedy of Bernie Mac" used in regards to The Bernie Mac Show. And then they used the phrase "based on the comedy of Gollum" on Saturday Night Live in the credits of the fictional sitcom "A Hard Hobbit to Break". but that last one's just the cough of a metaphorically dying poster who realizes he only has two barely credible citations for his argument. Then again, these could just be a few isolated events and my comments shall be criticized until destruction. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:As I wrote that Fun Fact, let me respond. Yes, ELR uses a similar credit. But this credit happens as Strong Bad is in front of a red brick wall. That's a direct reference to ''Seinfeld'', clearly. Why then would the credit be a generic reference when it's deliberately coupled with a specific one? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've also heard the phrase used for "Home Improvement", "Lucky Louie", "Schimmel", "Everybody Hates Chris", "The George Lopez Show", "I Love Lucy", "Fat Albert" and even "Merv the Perv" on Saturday Night Live. A simple Google search will show anyone that people use this phrase tons of times unrelated to Jerry Seinfeld! It may be a partial reference in the email seeing as the phrase is also used referring to "Seinfeld" but not completely! {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Live Studio Audience==
Does anyone else feel it's worth mentioning that this is the second time that the claim has been made that Strong Bad Emails are filmed before a live studio audience? Strong Bad said that at the begining of super powers.--[[User:71.14.74.35|71.14.74.35]] 17:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:Second ocurrences usually aren't worth noting. However, something could be added to [[Strong Bad Email]] noting, "Strong Bad's Emails are apparently filmed before a live studio audience, as he says in [[super powers]] and [[theme song]]" or something like that. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 00:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'd say "unnotable" at this point. The [[super powers]] line was a one-off, and this one was clearly a reference to TV shows. If it occurs again, perhaps then it'll be notable. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unaired pilot? ==

The reference to 'the best clips they show are from the un-aired pilot that you'll never see' reminds me of Firefly. The opening sequence of that was filled with clips from the show's pilot which wasn't aired, and Strong Bad is floating in space as he says it, which also resembles Firefly's pilot.

: I agree. I expected to see this on the Article page as an Outside Reference, but maybe it's too vague a reference for that.

::I think it is. I can't think of titles, but i know there are a number of shows where this is true, especially in the first season of the show where there's little footage to choose from. It would be TTATOT to include a specific reference, and anything more general is simply restating what SB said. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== sorry ==

sorry about that last edit. there was an edit conflict and so i just threw out whatever the other person was trying to do. i'll try to be more careful next time. -- [[User:MechanicalOne|MechanicalOne]] 19:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== period + e = New button? ==

While singing the opening theme, when Strong Bad types the .exe to 'brow-ser', you only hear him hitting the keyboard three times. But, he types in 4 letters. The '.', the two 'e's, and the 'x'.
:I guess he must have typed one of them rather quietly then... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Email browser ==

:''The song Strong Bad sings at the beginning and end of this email refers to a "rainstorm in your browser," but e-mail is usually viewed in a separate email client, not a browser. (Although webmail services do exist, Strong Bad does not appear to be using one.)''

This is not a STUFF question, because it's still a question of whether we are interpreting the toon correctly, not whether it's a fun enough fact. Specifically, the issue is whether we believe Strong Bad is referring to himself or us. I believe he's referring to us and our browsers, not his email client. If the consensus of this discussion should be that he's talking about this email client, only ''then'' would it be appropriate to STUFF it to decide whether it's notable enough to list. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:I originally deleted that one for the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=prev&oldid=354752 exact reasons you cite]. If there's a reasonable way to say something makes perfect sense, it's unreasonable to claim in a Fun Fact it doesn't in another context. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Lightbulbs ==

They talk about lightbulbs or show lightbulbs alot in the cartoons. Shouldn't there be a page about lightbulbs? - anon

:For gags like Homestar's love of light bulbs, we generally wait until there are 3 or more instances. As is, with only 2, it's easy enough to mention them on [[long pants]] and here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::light globes get some all time{{User:Csours/sig}} 06:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Of course they do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:theme song

2006-08-11T18:41:55Z

Smallowman: /* Homestar's teeth */

==Homestar's teeth==
HOMESTAR HAS TEETH!!!!! WHAT IS THE WERLD COMING TOOO???????!!!!--{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:I thought it was cute. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Well, that's just beacause you think eyerything's cute hence your name. I however think it's very creepy
<s>beacause I think everything's creepy, hence my name</s>. {{User:Stongbah/sig}} 17:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Homestar has teeth, and that's weird...but am I the only one that noticed that Strong Mad's and Homestar Runners teeth are drawn in ALMOST the same way? (Strong Mad's teeth are somewhat bigger.}

It freaked me out too when I saw his teeth it was funny when he ate a lightbulb sandwich though

==Whyyyy??==
It seems like every new e-mail nowadays has a little part of an e-mail that I sent- but mine never really gets answered! Like, a while ago, I sent Strong Bad an email about getting a talkshow- now he has one? Ahhh!!! {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Well, I did ask him about a theme song once... however, it was a ''personal'' theme song, and before [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] came out (which sorta answered the question.) And I asked him a question relating to [[alternate universe]]s, but again, it wasn't really related to the 'toon in question when I asked it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 12:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Strong Bad gets 3000 emails a day, according to the Wall Street Journal. The chances are pretty high that they get questions about theme songs every other day.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::wall street journal??!!??, who cares about what some funny guy with the last name street thinks, and why are you reading his journal anywho?{{User:Csours/sig}} 13:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, I know. It's just aggrivating. And, Csours- ''I'' care about it, because I just happen to like the Wall Street Journal. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Wally street is perhaps the coolest guy i ever met. and its his fault for publishing his journal in the first place!-- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

==Strong Bad e-mail will be right back...==
The person who said Strong Bad e-mail will be right back after these messages was clearly not Mike or Matt or Missy. Could it have been Jackie? {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 11:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Jackie whom? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 11:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::[[Jackie Chapman]], of course (there is a search bar for one to utilize) <3 . —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:It sounds like the same voice as Nibbles, at any rate. Probably Matt or Mike sped up digitally. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 12:58, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

After a brief listen to the seniorprom outtake, I think that it was Missy, without being 100% sure.[[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 12:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Sounded like Missy/Marzy to me. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 15:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I thought, but isn't Marzi's voice a bit more 'squeaky'? If you know what I mean... [[User:InvaderJem]]

::: Homestar and Strong Bad are done by the same voice actor, but sound almost nothing alike. I don't think it was meant to be Marzipan, specifically, but probably Missy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

If you pitch-shift it down, it sounds similar to Mike... not exactly the same, but similar... the accent's a bit different though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg ==

They only put in one easter egg. I'm letting them get away with this for one reason: There is NOTHING more fun than making The Cheat's tooth do the Shaheeeeeen effect.

:Shaheen! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== 14 degrees below zero. ==
(degrees removed because they's there now)
:also, the transcript says that the first guest is hilarity, i think he said celerity. because celerity would be funnier.
::(rio grande comment also removed for the same reason)
{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Location, Location, Location==

When Strong Bad says "south of the border flavor", wouldn't this mean the Free Country USA is above Canada? [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]
:No, it means Strong Bad doesn't know his geography very well. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::read the last thing i wrote, right above this.{{User:Csours/sig}} 15:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dog thing- It's 'cause of how he says Ontario. Wit a Spainish accent. So there you go. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 19:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Plus, if he was above Canada, he would be practically on the North pole, rending shortlessness, pool time, and Summer impossible.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:And he wouldn't be in Free Country "USA". -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

Well, darn. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]]

== Well, There Go My Hopes... ==

I sent in an email talking about theme songs to Strong Bad, and when it said "theme song" on the main page, my heart fricken skipped a beat. But alas, it wasn't mine. Dang you and your shiny last name Shaween! - {{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Inside References and the Trivia section ==

A great deal of the Inside References are referring to the credits. I put up a couple internal links in the credits, but should I move more of them? Or take them out and let Inside References continue to be huge?
:Could Tim Timmers be a reference to Tip Tappers?
::What do you mean by reference? [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]]

==That hit the nail on the head==

I really don't like the fact that many shows go to commercials right after the intro, then have this thing that tells you they'll be right back. You could've told us that ''before'' you went to commercials. Also, I don't like the distorted end credis and muted end song just to advertize what's next. Can't they wait until after the credits?

The one thing they didn't do was those annoying popup ads some TV shows seem to have nowadays. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:They did that with ''Walking with Trogdor'' in [[myths & legends]].{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 17:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Senor Cardgage wearing a hat==

This is the first time we see [[Senor Cardgage]] wearing a hat. He looks like a rascal wearing a backwards cap and glasses; course, he's always wearing glasses. —[[User:Brian Barbera|Brian Barbera]] 20:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

== First Homestar teeth sighting ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt this the first time we see his teeth? We put marzipan's first teeth-sighting in whatever article that was, so i think we should do it for homestar too. --[[User:TrogdorTSL|Tyler]] 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
: Uh, check the Trivia section. It's been up there for a while... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Homestars teeth look freaky to me. I hope we never see them again. [[User:Strongbad111|Strongbad111]]

== NOLA connection ==

Probably unnotable for the main page, but it's interesting that both the Nevilles and the Marsalises are native to New Orleans. Thought I'd just mention it here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:While we're at it: This is a reference to the Neville brothers how? Just because they're musicians and their name is "Neville"? I don't get it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::They're quite famous here in the U.S. (especially Aaron), and their style is the same kind of pop ballad as the theme song. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:::OK, convinced :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I might add that I have had the opportunity to play with members of each family (Charles and Delfeayo respectively) but that's ''certainly'' not notable on the main page! Still, it's [[kind of cool]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::sounds cool to me. you from norlans?{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Tiny toon adventures ==

I am 100% sertaint that the anounser describing the cheat comandos is the same line from the themes song from Tiny Toon adventures. Im gonna add this once the editin gdies down.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:It's already mentioned in Real World References. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Yah, I saw that right after I posted this. My bad. [[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 22:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Its not paraphrased, its a direct quote, gonna change it in a second {{unsigned|DumbMuscle|17:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)}}
::::It ''is'' paraphrased. The real lyrics go "We're tiny, we're toony" and the email goes "''they're'' tiny, ''they're'' toony". See [[Wikipedia:Tiny Toon Adventures#Theme Tune lyrics|Tiny Toon Adventures → Theme Tune lyrics]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fact Merge ==

# In the theme song we see a close-up on how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves.
# The email shown in the first theme song asks Strong Bad to draw Trogdor again – one of the commonly sent emails that will not be answered.

We could probably merge that into one, seeing as they are both emails that will not be answered (explaining how Strong Bad types with his boxing gloves and redoing an old e-mail). My suggestion: "Seeing how Strong Bad types with his boxing glove, and an e-mailer asking Strong Bad to redo an e-mail are both examples of e-mails that will never be answered". Somebody better at Wikipedianese will have to rewrite that. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 23:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad typing with boxing gloves on is not a reference to emails asking him about it. It's simply what he does. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:This does not actually show how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. It merely shows that he does. If you watch a magician saw a woman in half, it doesnt show how he does it, only that he "did". -JamesDean

:Then the fact is still wrong, because it says we see how, but in actuality we just see that he does. [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:is this the first time weve seen sb type with glove on from the side? the other times have been from his perspective, i think..{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Super Bad ==

I just wondeling, is the way Johnathan Shaheen adresses SB a reference to [http://www.superbad.com/ superbad.com]?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 01:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:It's arguable that since it was the email writer who made a possible reference, not TBC, it's a moot point, and it's not worth noting. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::More: A writer from Ontario making a reference to a California graphic designer's website on The Strong Bad Email Show? Nah... doesn't work for me. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::that is one weird website tho.{{User:Csours/sig}} 19:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Get Your Degree ==

I tried to go to [[www.cgnuonline-eniversity.edu/]] and got nothing. Someone (preferably the brothers Chaps, but really any of us) needs to do something about that. Or did I mistype?-- [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 02:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:.edu addresses are only available to actual educational institutions. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxamegalon2000]] 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::Interestingly, if you replace .edu with .com, you get redirected to a real-estate website. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. When I went to http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ I got exactly the same website shown in the sbemail: "ebsite Coming Soon(ish)!". Maybe someone should put this reference in the article?
::::if you view it in firefox (my version anyway) you only see the black letters, no colors. {{User:Csours/sig}} 18:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I found a link to [http://www.cgnuonline-eniversity.com/ehome-html.html this page] hidden in the exclamation mark after "Soon(ish)". It's just Senor Cardgage's degree list. A [http://whois.domaintools.com/cgnuonline-eniversity.com Whois lookup] reveals that the site is not registered to TBC. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== The lighter side of fun facts ==

Should the Mad magazine or the sports show reference be the one used? There are four possible votes.

* Mad, as it's more prevalent
* Sports show, as it's a closer match to title
* Both, as there are arguments for both
* Neither, TTATOT

Thoughts? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:59, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:The sports show's title is a perfect match. And I believe TBC have made many more sports references than MAD references. So I think the sports show is definitely the winner here. I also believe it should be included, as most non-Americans won't have heard of the show (like me).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::I am an American, and I've never heard of the sports show. But my friends and I all read Mad. I think we need more voices. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Casper Theme ==

I feel the first theme song sounds more like the theme song to the original "Casper" cartoon than the Barney Theme... or is this my imagination? "Casper, the friendly ghost..." --Tempestryder
*I can kind of hear the Casper similarity, but honestly I think it just has a generic sing-song tone. I removed the Barney reference. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
== Degrees of Separation ==
Since the degrees cgnu online offers are already listed in the entry for Crazy go Nuts University, we should simply link to them here. *_Aaron_*
:I think the degrees should stay with the email. They don't take up that much space, and besides we already have the lists of credits. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Spelling of "Gip"==
Hi,

Please see http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp (and to be fair also see http://www.answers.com/topic/gip)

Will you allow my edit of [[theme song]] to stick now?

Thanks [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:I see your comment in the themesong page. Why don't you note that what SB typed is a mis-spelling? Other transcripts do that. "Gyp" is a slur, related to Gypsies' reputation as thieves. That's why "gyp" is the correct spelling. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40 00:24]], 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::You do realise that the first link you gave [http://www.answers.com/topic/gyp] says that it's also spelled "gipped"?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure. But the second [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip] doesn't say anything about it (this meaning). "Gip" is obviously not considered a canonical spelling of this particular term by the American Heritage Dictionary, but variant instead. Why don't we add it to the transcript with the note about SB's variant spelling? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That first link you gave is GIP in all caps. Did you see this article [http://www.answers.com/topic/gip-1]? Variants are not misspellings, and are not really important to note. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It is also questionable that "gyp" really is a slur (see the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]], though as we discovered earlier today, "gip" is actually not present there for some reason.) We had this discussion earlier today. At any rate, Strong Bad actually types the word "gipped", and according to our [[HRWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]], what Strong Bad types is what we type, whether misspelled, nonsensical, or contrary to what he actually says (though in that last case, we also note what he actually says.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::That's why I didn't put the slur under "Fun Facts" - I know lots of people would howl about it. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::[[http://www.google.com/search?q=gyp+roma+slur It's clear]]. Maybe not to lots of people in general, especially Americans, but it's not imaginary. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 00:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Even if we accept it, why does it matter to the topic at hand? Many dictionaries accept "gip" as a viable alternative. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Citations, please? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Why? I believe it's notable. Want me to find examples of SBEmail transcripts where similar things were noted? I'm only trying to note the spelling issue, not the slurring issue. That doens't belong in the transcript, but instead in Trivia or something. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 01:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gip] [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/gip.html] [http://www.bartleby.com/61/16/G0131600.html] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then it would be a valid precedent. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 01:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::If you can find one where it's just a variant and not an actual misspelling, then I will happily remove it there too, 'cause I really don't think variants are notable. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::could i just say that gypsy type persons are not actually from egypt, and much prefer to be called roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 14:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: As you say, "Gypsy" all by itself is a slur, or at best insensitive. "Gyp" is a DOUBLE slur, then, as you clearly noted in your reference to stealing children (editlog comment). I'd say the verdict is in: this will make a KILLER Fun Fact. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Don't delete it, STUFF it (Roma Fun Fact: Real World References) ==

JAY:

Do you have some specific agenda against this subject, or, do you just not think the Fun Fact is true or notable?

It's not fair for you to take it upon yourself to determine its validity. Please either put it back or STUFF it so all can weigh in.

FYI everybody else:

Jay deleted the following from Real World References in Fun Facts.

* "Gipped" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Roma_people#Roma_and_crime|Roma]] ethnic group, who have been stereotyped for centuries as "thieving Gypsies".

[[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
: We've discussed it three ways to Thursday already. Not only is it of questionable veracity, but we don't need to explain the meanings of common words on this Wiki. I mean, we don't create facts like: "A [[Wikipedia:Tire|Tire]] is a round rubber wheel commonly placed on vehicles" on the [[Tire]] page, do we? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Why didn't you comment when I said I'd add this, instead of lurking, waiting to pounce to delete it? You win the edit war for now, because I won't continue it, but for you to participate in the discussion would have been way more classy. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 19:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Besides: You are wrong. This hasn't been discussed however many ways to whatday. This is a Fun Fact proposal. What we discussed before was the Transcript and the spelling, not the reference or the notability of ethnic slurs on the part of H*R characters and authors. Again: Please STUFF this. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Crap the what? Lurking?! I did no such thing! I simply saw a new edit on [[Special:Recentchanges]], decided it didn't work on the page, and reverted it. I didn't even look to see who added it! Next of all, your attacks toward me are unappreciated. And, no, I will not STUFF this. I don't see a reason to. No one else that I've seen supports adding this fact, at least not with the fever pitch you are supporting it with. If someone else with a user name decides that it's STUFFable, then they can, but I won't. You're really not in a position to make demands of me, you know. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::So, Jay: Am I to understand that when you deleted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=354672&oldid=354664 this], you had not seen [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:theme_song&diff=354631&oldid=354626 this]? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 22:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::That would be a fair assessment, yes. Though I question where you got the idea that "the verdict [was] in" that it was such a "KILLER" fact, given that I saw no consensus of the fact, since I did not see said edit, I did not personally respond. Frankly, I didn't even know the discussion had been moved off of my Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: That's why I thought you were lurking in wait. I indicated my intentions, then got denied in short order in editwarrior fashion when I carried it out. Regarding your selfrighteous crabbing about me not seeing the History comments defining a previous "consensus" (of two persons) on that subject, I'd say you better start practicing what you preach: Read the discussions - not least, the Talk page of the article you're watchdogging. I gave fair warning before posting my Fun Fact. Even if I had not, you can discuss it in your edit comment with something more communicative than "'''m''' ''(Reverted edits by 198.49.180.40 (Talk); changed back to last version by 68.54.154.79)''". It makes you look like a robot at best, an undemocratic snob at worst. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 23:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Dude, chill. Don't get personal. If you don't know how the HRWiki works, then don't blame others for it. I would have reversed those edits myself if Jay hadn't been faster; there was nothing wrong with what Jay did. If you really want this fact to be mentioned, then create a user account and STUFF it. But don't dish out insults here. There's really nothing further to talk about on this talk page.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I have a "rollback" button to revert edits; that's what created the nonspecific "reverted" summary. I try not to overuse it, but sometimes I just don't feel like taking the three extra steps to go back to a previous version just to revert something that people are likely to delete anyway. I mostly use it for vandalism, but sometimes (like in this case) just for issues that have been discussed in the past anyway. I'm sorry that you feel that this is somehow a personal issue. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, I have to say that I did agree with you, 198.49.180.40, until I read the [[Wiktionary:Gyp|Wiktionary]] link. The connection may be notable if "gyp" really is a racial slur, but since it's questionable that "gyp" is derived from "Gypsies", there's nothing solid enough to form into a fun fact. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: So, WHY does "gyp" mean stealing or fraud, if it's NOT derived from that stereotype? Where DOES it come from? [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I agree with you, Jay, but when I read your posts, the always seem to have a negative and rude air about them. Calm down, dude. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 20:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: He's been pushing this down my throat (and, to a lesser, degree, other people's throats, but he's singled me out specifically) since yesterday, ignoring all evidence against his viewpoint, and today he's attacking me directly by saying that I was "lurking" on the page and "pouncing" on his edit, and it's ''my'' posts that have a rude air about them. I hope you can understand if I'm a bit miffed by his attitude. As for his question, a possible etymology is discussed through a page linked on the Wiktionary. For all the references I've seen, they say the gypsy link is likely, but not that there's any evidence of it besides a spelling similarity. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: I have utterly, completely conceded to you on the SPELLING issue. That's NOT stuffing anything down anyone's throat. You WON that one, I'm DONE with it. NOW: regarding the Fun Fact, YOU are the one whose tactics evoke an editwar. Not only have you NOT chosen to discuss your knee-jerk, lightning-fast reverts, you have slandered me when forced inoto a discussion. I say again: STUFF it, don't delete it. Why can't you STUFF it? A reasonable person would STUFF it when disagreement on a Fun Fact comes up. I don't have anything to say about Cutepetsrus's accusation of rudeness. Leave me out of that please - it's not my fight. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 20:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: I'm not slandering you - my beef is that you DID force me into a discussion, and then you accused me (and still are accusing me!) of actions I did not take. If you want it STUFFed so badly, then create a user name and STUFF it. I'm not stopping you from doing that. I'll vote against it if you do, but I'm not standing in your way. (Someone ''will'' delete it if you don't create a user name; that's required of STUFF participants.) Often, Fun Facts get comments like "This is really Talk page material," for detractors, which is how I see this debate. Now then, my "lightning fast revert" was me seeing a new edit on Recent Changes, looking at it, noticing that it was an issue that is pretty much cleared up among all of the regulars, and reverting it. The regulars on this Wiki do things like that all the time. You are taking this way too personally - I would have no problem with you if not for all the yelling at me, but we've already discussed this fact (it came up once before you joined in) and decided against. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Where is that discussion, which you claim the "regulars" already had? It's not on '''this''' page. If you're gonna have a secret committee deciding this stuff, don't be surprised or selfrighteous when someone who didn't read the entire editlog comment history puts up something your Star Chamber already nixed. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It's in the History of the main article page. I'm not accusing you of being stupid or ignorant or whatever for not reading it; my point isn't that you didn't read it. If you didn't read it, you didn't read it. My point is that it happened. Thus, if you made the edit once, it was forgivable. Understandable, even. And, okay, I thought I had brought it up in the previous conversation (see above); apparently, I was mistaken in that, because I don't see it, and I'm sorry for that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out that it only makes sense to mention that "gipped" is an ethnic slur if we believe that the Brothers Chap did mean it that way. But as the annony said himself, this meaning might not be obvious to Americans, i.e. the Brothers Chap. Furthermore, they also used the less obvious "gipped" instead of "gypped", giving us even less reason to believe they meant it that way. I myself am not willing to accuse them of ethnic slander on the basis of such brittle assumptions.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

: I don't agree. It makes sense to mention it because it's a point of cultural significance, not because TBC '''know''' it's a slur or '''meant''' it as such. Furthermore it's an opportunity to educate. I'm not accusing anyone of insensitivity, I'm trying to bring it to light so ignorance isn't perpetuated. If my kid followed Strong Bad's example, I'd want him to know what he's really saying. Same with anyone who reads hrwiki.org. Believe me, countless Fun Facts are far less "notable" and far, far, far more '''obvious'''. And this '''would not''' be the first Fun Fact that TBC might not have known about. Far from it - accepted, notable Fun Facts are '''full''' of stuff that they didn't think of ahead of time. Of course, they're also full of stuff they '''did''' think of. [[User:198.49.180.40|198.49.180.40]] 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Jay, Trey56, Cute Pets R Us, and Loafing. The fact is it's very unlikely that TBC meant an ethnic slur. I have grown up with this word my whole life and didn't know until very recently (when I needed to know how to spell it) that it had any (possible) connection whatsoever with gypsies. If they didn't mean it other than the standard "swindled", then it's just not notable what the etymology is. Strong Bad calls Strong Sad a dork all the time, but we don't for a second believe that TBC are referring to the real meaning of that word. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::: Huh, I just looked up "dork" on Wikipedia. I'd heard that etymology before in a webcomic, but I just assumed that it was a joke invented for that comic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I was going to post what It's Dot com just posted myself. Nearly verbatim. So count me among the "unnotable" camp. To the IP commenter, please feel free to sigh in and STUFF this if you feel it's going to be seen by the user base as useful to the page. In my view, it's pointless to continue this circular debate. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, this has gone '''way too far'''. Gipped is just a slang term. We don't need to define it. {{User:Cutepetsrus/sig}} 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The fact remains: unless you (198 or anyone else) can provide a source to support your stance that "gypped" is derived from "gypsy", to counter the [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link that has been mentioned several times], then it's ''not'' going to be a Fun Fact... we just don't quote things as ''fact'' that are in question among academics. And no, a link like [http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=gyp this one] that just says "probably short for Gypsy" doesn't count... it's just an assertion, no actual evidence, and it still restrains it with "probably". If you do find one then it'll probably go to STUFF, since it becomes just a purely "is this notable" debate, but before then it's a discussion of facts and belongs on a talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Here's a discussion on possible origins for the word "gyp": http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/8/messages/634.html; it does appear that no one knows just how it came into useage. Odd, for such a relatively recent word. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 23:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::in regard to the discussion about the word gyp itself, 3 things: the roma came to europe in the 1500, 2. in regard to the servants at the college, they had to get their name from somewhere, possiply it is derived from gypsy itself. 3. gee-up, this is a stupid derivation. they just wanted to continue to use the word and have a non-racial derivation to continue to use it. 4. in regard for its use being recent, and localized to the united states, while the origin of the word gypsy is in england, there is a possible link to early silent films trying to sensationalize things by using contraversial stereotypes. 5. three my lord three!! {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Interesting. Can you cite sources? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::nope, not a bit. however, all of those sites list gyp as being 'probably' derived from gypsy, which DOES MEAN that gyp is related to the racial stereotype of gyspies in the public consciousness. well, at leat the public that is conscious of it... btw, do we have any instances of where tbc have changed a toon based on something a fansite wrote about it? {{User:Csours/sig}} 04:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Re number 2: I [http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-gyp1.htm link to here once again], which says that it comes "from the obsolete French ''jupeau''." As for most sources listing it as "probably from ''gypsy''", Fun Facts with "probably" in them tend to get axed unless they are especially relevant to the toon... and this isn't. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::sry, i dont read french. also, i agree that this isnt relevent to the toon.{{User:Csours/sig}} 16:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:yea, if there was any kind of discussion in the email or toon about ethnicity or things like that, this might be a fun fact. as it is, i would consider it ttatot. i DO happen to think that gypped or gipped (as you cant discern a difference between the pronounciations in american english they are the same word to me) is a racial slur against the roma people, but i do not think it is in any way pertinent to the discussion of this email, as most people do not have any idea that there is a real group of people called gypsies or roma. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Based on the comedy of... ==

I don't think that's just a reference to Jerry Seinfeld. I'm pretty sure that phrase is used on and about other sitcoms centered around a character played by a stand up comedian; I know they say "based on the comedy of Ray Romano" in the credits of Everybody Loves Raymond, and I've heard the phrase "based on the comedy of Bernie Mac" used in regards to The Bernie Mac Show. And then they used the phrase "based on the comedy of Gollum" on Saturday Night Live in the credits of the fictional sitcom "A Hard Hobbit to Break". but that last one's just the cough of a metaphorically dying poster who realizes he only has two barely credible citations for his argument. Then again, these could just be a few isolated events and my comments shall be criticized until destruction. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 02:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:As I wrote that Fun Fact, let me respond. Yes, ELR uses a similar credit. But this credit happens as Strong Bad is in front of a red brick wall. That's a direct reference to ''Seinfeld'', clearly. Why then would the credit be a generic reference when it's deliberately coupled with a specific one? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've also heard the phrase used for "Home Improvement", "Lucky Louie", "Schimmel", "Everybody Hates Chris", "The George Lopez Show", "I Love Lucy", "Fat Albert" and even "Merv the Perv" on Saturday Night Live. A simple Google search will show anyone that people use this phrase tons of times unrelated to Jerry Seinfeld! It may be a partial reference in the email seeing as the phrase is also used referring to "Seinfeld" but not completely! {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 12:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==Live Studio Audience==
Does anyone else feel it's worth mentioning that this is the second time that the claim has been made that Strong Bad Emails are filmed before a live studio audience? Strong Bad said that at the begining of super powers.--[[User:71.14.74.35|71.14.74.35]] 17:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:Second ocurrences usually aren't worth noting. However, something could be added to [[Strong Bad Email]] noting, "Strong Bad's Emails are apparently filmed before a live studio audience, as he says in [[super powers]] and [[theme song]]" or something like that. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 00:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'd say "unnotable" at this point. The [[super powers]] line was a one-off, and this one was clearly a reference to TV shows. If it occurs again, perhaps then it'll be notable. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unaired pilot? ==

The reference to 'the best clips they show are from the un-aired pilot that you'll never see' reminds me of Firefly. The opening sequence of that was filled with clips from the show's pilot which wasn't aired, and Strong Bad is floating in space as he says it, which also resembles Firefly's pilot.

: I agree. I expected to see this on the Article page as an Outside Reference, but maybe it's too vague a reference for that.

::I think it is. I can't think of titles, but i know there are a number of shows where this is true, especially in the first season of the show where there's little footage to choose from. It would be TTATOT to include a specific reference, and anything more general is simply restating what SB said. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:24, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== sorry ==

sorry about that last edit. there was an edit conflict and so i just threw out whatever the other person was trying to do. i'll try to be more careful next time. -- [[User:MechanicalOne|MechanicalOne]] 19:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== period + e = New button? ==

While singing the opening theme, when Strong Bad types the .exe to 'brow-ser', you only hear him hitting the keyboard three times. But, he types in 4 letters. The '.', the two 'e's, and the 'x'.
:I guess he must have typed one of them rather quietly then... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Email browser ==

:''The song Strong Bad sings at the beginning and end of this email refers to a "rainstorm in your browser," but e-mail is usually viewed in a separate email client, not a browser. (Although webmail services do exist, Strong Bad does not appear to be using one.)''

This is not a STUFF question, because it's still a question of whether we are interpreting the toon correctly, not whether it's a fun enough fact. Specifically, the issue is whether we believe Strong Bad is referring to himself or us. I believe he's referring to us and our browsers, not his email client. If the consensus of this discussion should be that he's talking about this email client, only ''then'' would it be appropriate to STUFF it to decide whether it's notable enough to list. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:I originally deleted that one for the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=theme_song&diff=prev&oldid=354752 exact reasons you cite]. If there's a reasonable way to say something makes perfect sense, it's unreasonable to claim in a Fun Fact it doesn't in another context. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Lightbulbs ==

They talk about lightbulbs or show lightbulbs alot in the cartoons. Shouldn't there be a page about lightbulbs? - anon

:For gags like Homestar's love of light bulbs, we generally wait until there are 3 or more instances. As is, with only 2, it's easy enough to mention them on [[long pants]] and here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::light globes get some all time{{User:Csours/sig}} 06:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Of course they do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Icon References in Halloween Costumes

2006-08-11T18:35:48Z

Smallowman: /* Halloween Potion-ma-jig */

[[Image:Homestar_GreatHero.PNG|thumb|150px|"Believe or not, I'm walking around. I never thought I could trick-or-tre-e-eat..."]]

During the [[Holidays#Halloween (October 31st)|Halloween toons]], the [[Characters#Main characters|characters]] dress up in [[Halloween Costumes|costumes]] in which to go 'trick or treating'. More often than not, such costumes are of an icon or celebrity from the 1970s, 80s and 90s. As a result, at least one character per toon occasionally speaks in dialogue or lines (or moves around) that somehow pertains to his/her respective costume.
==Occurrences==
===[[Homestarloween Party]]===
*'''Coach Z''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Flavor Flav|Flavor Flav]] of the rap group [[Wikipedia:Public Enemy|Public Enemy]], Homestar comments on his costume by saying, "Coach Z is down with the PE". This is a reference to the group's song, "Burn Hollywood Burn", wherein guest-rapper [[Wikipedia:Ice Cube|Ice Cube]] raps "Ice Cube is down with the PE".
*'''The Cheat''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Garfield|Garfield]], he holds his teddy bear, Pooky, which is actually Garfield's own teddy bear.
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Carmen Miranda|Carmen Miranda]] a famous actor from the 1940's.
*'''King of Town''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Captain Crunch|Captain Crunch]] a cereal mascot for a cereal of the same name.
*'''The Poopsmith''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Tron|Tron]] from a movie of the same name.
*'''Strong Sad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Mikhail Gorbachev|Mikhail Gorbachev]] general secretary of the communist party of the Soviet Union.
*'''Marzipan''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Jeannie|Jeannie]] from the show [[Wikipedia:I Dream of Jeannie|I Dream of Jeannie]]
===[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]===
*'''Coach Z''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Humpty Hump|Humpty Hump]], the rap he performs is from [[Wikipedia:Digital Underground|Digital Underground]]'s hit song, "The Humpty Dance," only Coach Z substitutes his own name for Humpty's.
*'''Strong Mad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:William Perry (football)|William "Refrigerator" Perry]], he does a variation of that old prank phone call, "Is your refrigerator running?" In this case, he says, "Is your refrigerator perry running?"
*'''Marzipan''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Joey Ramone|Joey Ramone]] of the punk rock group, The Ramones, she says, "Hey ho, let's go!" This is part of the lyrics to their song, "Blitzkrieg Bop", and also both a reference and tribute to Joey after he died earlier in 2001.
*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Popeye|Popeye]] comic strip character, [[Wikipedia:J. Wellington Wimpy|J. Wellington Wimpy]], who really adores hamburgers, he says, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for some candy today." This is a parody of Wimpy's catch phrase, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today," only Homsar substitutes "some candy" for "a hamburger".
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]], he says, "Where in the world is my candy?" This is a reference to the computer game and TV show that features Carmen, "Where In the World Is Carmen Sandiego?"

===[[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]===
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as famous video game character [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]], he comments that he is a video game (which Marzipan wouldn't know, since she doesn't play video games). Later, after Homestar (or rather, Strong Bad dressed up as Homestar) gives him a worst prize, he laments, "Sorry, king, but our princess is in another castle." This is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros.|first Super Mario Bros. game]], in which, after clearing each level (prior to the eighth and final level), the mushroom people Mario saves say, "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle!"

===[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]===
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as the [[Wikipedia:Hamburglar|Hamburglar]], he says that he is "dressed to 'hamburgle'" and even utters the Hamburglar's catchphrase, "Robble-robble!"
*'''Stinkoman''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]], he declares that he's "a demon on wheels". This is directly lifted from the show's theme song, which also describes the title protagonist as "a demon on wheels".
*'''Strong Mad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Magnum P.I.|Magnum P.I.]], he bellows "Higgins!", who is actually Tom Selleck's boss on that show.
*'''Strong Sad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:David Byrne|David Byrne]], leader of new wave group [[Wikipedia:Talking Heads|Talking Heads]], he says, "This is not my beautiful house! This is not my beautiful wife!" These are lyrics from the song, "Once In a Lifetime," by Talking Heads.
*'''The Poopsmith''' — Dressed as ''[[Wikipedia:Street Fighter|Street Fighter]]'' character, [[Wikipedia:M. Bison|M. Bison]], he performs a flaming maneuver. This is actually M. Bison's Psycho Crusher attack.

===[[Halloween Fairstival]]===
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:The Joker|the Joker]], he calls his posse his "bad pennies", which is what the Joker calls his henchmen. Later, at the end, he says, "Hello, kiddies, a-meet the Joker!"
*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as Kumar from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Bottle Rocket|Bottle Rocket]]'', he says one of the character's most famous lines, "AaAaAa... I blew it, man! I just lost my touch."
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as the Mayor from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:The Nightmare Before Christmas|The Nightmare Before Christmas]]'', he turns his head around to show a second face with a blue tint and difference expression. The Mayor in the movie changes his face around when his mood changes.
*'''Homestar Runner''' — Dressed as Carl Spackler from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Caddyshack|Caddyshack]]'', Homestar comments, "So I got that going for me. Which is nice." This was a line spoken by Spackler in that movie.
*'''Marzipan''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Willie Nelson|Willie Nelson]], Strong Bad notices this by saying to her, "Hey Marzi, I just can't wait for you to get on the road again... and get hit by a schoolbus." The first part of this line is a reference to Nelson's song, appropriately titled "On the Road Again."

===[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]===
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as Jambi the Genie from [[Wikipedia:Pee-wee's Playhouse|Pee-wee's Playhouse]], he says to The Cheat about Homestar, "Meka-leka-hi-meka-The Cheat, throw a TV on him...ho." This is a reference to Jambi's favorite incantation, "Meka-leka-hi-meka-hiney-ho." Later, when asked of what he is supposed to be, Strong Bad says he's Jambi and even says another of the character's signature lines to prove it: "Wish? Did somebody say 'wish'?"

*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as Tingle from Legend of Zelda throws confetti like Tingle and is also floating on a balloon like Tingle

== See also ==
*[[What are you supposed to be?]]

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Halloween]]
[[Category:Inside Jokes]]

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Talk:The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T18:27:02Z

Smallowman:

I think that this should be moved to: The Stunt Double.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 17:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay I took care of it could someone get a good picture for this [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 18:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strong Bad's Stunt Double

2006-08-11T18:26:07Z

Smallowman: Talk:Strong Bad's Stunt Double moved to Talk:The Stunt Double: It sounds better

#REDIRECT [[Talk:The Stunt Double]]

Strong Bad's Stunt Double

2006-08-11T18:26:07Z

Smallowman: Strong Bad's Stunt Double moved to The Stunt Double: It sounds better

#REDIRECT [[The Stunt Double]]

Talk:The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T18:26:07Z

Smallowman: Talk:Strong Bad's Stunt Double moved to Talk:The Stunt Double: It sounds better

I think that this should be moved to: The Stunt Double.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 17:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T18:26:07Z

Smallowman: Strong Bad's Stunt Double moved to The Stunt Double: It sounds better

Strong Bad's Stunt Double played by Strong Sad was hurt various times in Dangeresque II: This Time, It's Not Dangeresque I

==Complete Filmograghy==

*[[stunt double]]

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[[Category: Dangeresque Characters]]

The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T17:20:21Z

Smallowman:

User talk:Boybrushedinred

2006-08-11T17:16:42Z

Smallowman:

== Hello ==
Hi welcome to wiki [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 17:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Boybrushedinred

2006-08-11T17:16:27Z

Smallowman:

== Hello ==
Hi welcome to wiki

The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T17:09:10Z

Smallowman:

Strong Bad's Stunt Double played by Strong Sad was hurt various times in Dangeresque II: This Time, It's Not Dangeresque I

==Complete Filmograghy==

*[[stunt double]]

[[Category: Dangeresque Characters]]

The Stunt Double

2006-08-11T17:01:13Z

Smallowman:

Strong Bad's Stunt Double played by Strong Sad was hurt various times in [[Dangeresque II: this time it's not Dangeresque I]]

Hot Tub

2006-08-11T16:29:53Z

Smallowman:

[[Image:hot_tub.PNG|thumb|The most dangerous BLT known to man!]]
'''Hot Tub''' (aka '''Passerby''') is portrayed by [[Strong Sad]] (credited as [[Dump|El Dumpo]]) after he was forced into the role when [[Strong Bad]] stole his sandwich. Hot Tub claims he is not one of [[Perducci]]'s minions and knows little about Perducci. [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] was suspicious of his involvement, thinking he knew "a little bit too little about Perducci." He was right; Hot Tub was later shown giving information to Perducci. His name was also seen in the credits in [[theme song]]

==Complete Filmography==
*[[dangeresque 3|Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque, too?]]
*[[theme song]]

[[Category:Dangeresque Characters]]

User talk:Esomabeli

2006-08-10T18:14:20Z

Smallowman: /* Welcome! */

== Welcome! ==
Hey, {{PAGENAME}}, welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]].
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 15:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello Esomabeli welcome to wiki [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 18:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Smallowman

2006-08-10T06:51:13Z

Smallowman: /* Favorite Character Quotes */

Hello People I am smallowman. I got this name from Mr.Shmallow and also because I like marshmallows http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png/220px-Mr_Shmallow_makes_good.png
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0Je5x_GltpEhXYB1.CjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12locpgqm/EXP=1155262534/**http%3a//engr.oregonstate.edu/momentum/images/feb04/marshmallow.jpg

==About Me==

Favorite Character: Homsar

Favorite Food: Marshmallows (not suprisingly)

Favorite Color: Green

Favorite TGS character: Whats Her Face

Favorite Sport: Swimming
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/6/6b/Keep_cool.PNG/180px-Keep_cool.PNG

Here is a picture of me

http://s68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/plickityplop/th_POPPAS017.jpg

==Favorite Character Quotes==
Homestar: There's a sock on my head? Get it off, get it off, get it off

Strong Bad: Who's writing this issue the geniuses behind She-Hulk?

Strong Sad: Don't you touch that bleblibblehblow

Strong Mad: I CAN BE THE QUIETEST LITTLE MOUSE!!!

The Cheat: (oh wait I can't understand him)

Marzipan: Hi this is Marzipan I'm probably outside eating some dirt or something so leave me a message

King of Town: You've got to feed and feed the hiccups until they evolve into liver failure

Bubs: That was the worst Ronald Reagan impression I ever heard now take this terlet brush and get outta here

Coach Z: Get your head in the game the chort the cheat is wide open

Pom-Pom('s best action): Beating the crap out of Strong Bad
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/7/7f/Sbemail108.png/180px-Sbemail108.png

The Poopsmith: Oooooooohhhh yeah (it could be him)

Homsar: I'm not gonna lie to ya that's a healthy piece of real-estate

Whats-her-face and the Ugly One: Chubly Wumbly bear song

Cheerleader: It's mine it's 100 shut it off!

So and So: A coughiversery how romantic

Stinkoman: Nice moves big nose...... Your nose

1-up: I want pudding

Marshie: Stack 'em to the heavens stack 'em to the heavens I could write a song called stack 'em to the heavens

and that is about it

User talk:Smallowman

2006-08-10T06:17:13Z

Smallowman: /* Images */

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]].
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 02:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== User Page Editing ==

An anonymous user (perhaps you) tried to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smallowman&curid=26594&diff=355358&oldid=355332&rcid=304851 edit] your user page. I reverted the change in case it was someone other than you editing your page. If it was you, please remember to log in so we know it's you. If it wasn't, then know we're on the lookout for such intrusions and will fix them. And welcome! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

==I got a question==

How do I get into a patrol do I hae to be good enough or is there just a way to join? - Smallowman 03:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hi! I'm not entirely sure what you mean by patrol. The Recent Changes Patrol? Just commit to doing it. I'd advise watching for a while first, but anyone's welcome at this time to self-appoint themselves unless it's otherwise stated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I meant that sorry - Smallowman 03:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, use <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your talk poss. Try it! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

::??????? What does that mean - Smallowman 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Did you type 4 ~'s? That's an automatic signature. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay I will try it [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 03:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Woah it worked thanks [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 03:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Images ==

If an image is on the wiki, just type <nowiki>[[Image:Mr Shmallow makes good.png]] and to resize it [[Image:Mr shmallow makes good.png|220px]]</nowiki>. If you want, you can [[Special:Upload|upload]] the marshmallow one and the one of you to the wiki. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool thanks [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 06:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Smallowman

2006-08-10T06:13:04Z

Smallowman: /* Favorite Character Quotes */

User:Smallowman

2006-08-10T06:10:52Z

Smallowman:

Lasers

2006-08-10T05:04:15Z

Smallowman:

[[Image:Poopsmith LazerTag.PNG|thumb|LAZER'D!]]
'''[[wikipedia:Laser|Lasers]]''' are oftentimes seen in [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] cartoons, along with variations like '''Lazer''' and '''Lazor'''. It was also used as part of the names of the main villains league in [[Cheat Commandos]], namely, [[Blue Laser]].

==Appearances==
*[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] — [[The Poopsmith]] is dressed up as Lazer Tag. If you select the Astropop to give to him and [[Pom Pom]] as their Halloween treat, the Poopsmith will shoot his gun at Pom Pom, only to knock himself off the steps after it hits him in the chest sensor.
*Email [[band names]] — One of the possible band names Strong Bad suggests is "Lazor".
*Email [[3 wishes]] — After describing his second wish, Strong Bad comments on how he would tour with a heavy metal band as their mascot and engage the lead singer in a laser fight, much to the supposed delight of the fans.
*Email [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] — The [[Visor Robot]] VOIPs [[So and So]] with his laser, which results in her being burned or killed.
*[[Puppet Jam: Tropical Lazor Beams]] — Title involves the word "lazor".
*[[Summer Short Shorts]] — A [[Wikipedia:Laser lighting display|laser show]] featuring [[Limozeen]] is shown.
*[[These Peoples Try To Fade Me]] — Coach Z raps about laser crabs and laser beams.
*[[new hands]] — [[Strong Bad]] said that he should have picked guitars and laser guns for his new hands and then at the end you can make one of his hands turn into a laser
*[[Summer Short Shorts]] — The Limozeen video is completely based on a laser light show

==See also==
*[[Blue Laser]]

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[[Category:Object running gags]]

User:Smallowman

2006-08-10T03:50:48Z

Smallowman: /* About Me */

User talk:Smallowman

2006-08-10T03:42:03Z