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==Guestbooks==
Recently, some users have [[#Original discussion|discussed]] the current guestbook situation, and we are formally proposing to get rid of guestbooks. Please note that this decision is still being decided, and is not policy yet. If you wish to give us your opinion on this, then please tell us here.

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===End the practice of guestbooks===
====Support====
# See reasons at the [[#Original discussion|original discussion]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC).
# If it's for the good of the Wiki, guestbooks should go. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Rogue Leader's comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I'll go along with this - don't have a strong opinion on guestbooks, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Venusy's comment. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# If it's for the greater good of the wiki, I gotta vote to get rid of 'em. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See reasons at the original discussion --{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I want people to read my user page, not just to sign it without knowing what else is there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Don't really see the point of them. There's nothing a gues book can do that a User talk page can't. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 04:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# When it comes to the point that the only reason people come to the Wiki is so they can sign guestbooks, it's time for them to go (especially when people are trying to get a certain amount by a certain date.) I didn't mind guestbooks until Recent Changes had more "User:" edits than it did actual articles. We had this problem with the old wiki; nobody did anything except talk to each other and create fanstuff. This is not a free chatting site for other Homestar Runner fans, this is an encyclopedia. User pages are to make a brief description about yourself, not to have a blockquote with 20-something signatures in it. If you want to talk to other Homestar Runner fans, go create a Myspace or something. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# See my comment below. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See comment below. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# They were fun at first, but now it's just taking up space. I would appriciate it if we could let them go. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Ditto Ation. -[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] I agree with the guys at the original discussion. Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Ation here.
#[[User:68.161.144.158|68.161.144.158]] 19:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I don't want to shuffle through countless guestbook edits to find vandalism. If you want to compliment somebody, use their talkpage.
#:Hey there, 68.161.144.158. Do you have a user account? If so, you should use it when posting on this page. Thanks. Anonymous votes will not figure much (if at all) into the final tally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I wouldn't mind not having guestbooks (even though I did like signing them, the wiki's better off without them). {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have to agree with Kilroy. We are better off without them. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't bother me, but if they bother other people, let's scrap them. I'm #22! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (that's what we're trying to avoid, right?) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't show that you like the site, it just shows that you can sign a guestbook. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] 07:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I stand beside all off you on this. DELETE THEM! WHEEEEEEE!
# For the reasons stated by [[User:FireBird|Firebird]] above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# Delort 'em. I only made one because I thought everyone else had one. The arguments to keep them seem to boil down to "hey, I like guestbooks, what's the big deal?" and "they encourage interaction". Seems to me they encourage a kind of interaction that is in conflict with the goals of a good wiki. Baleet 'em. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I've never seen the point of guestbooks, shoutboards, and other such features. If people want to holla at someone, let 'em leave a message on the talk page. The site will only get bigger from here anyway, and anything we can do to conserve space is okay in my book. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] 2006-01-23, 15:16 (EST)
# [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC) I have to say that they should be DELETED! I mean, it's nice to know that people have been to your page, but then they start getting outrageously huge and such. Yeah. And also, if people spend all their time signing guestbooks, they'll never take any time to, say, improve their own user page or make a good article about something. I like what Bill Martinson said, too.
#[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC) This is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. This is not a place to hang out, chit-chat, and power-sign guestbooks 90% of one's online time. Keep the vast majority of your talk page edits here to relevant H*R- and wiki-related discussions. Chit-chat and sign guestbooks at myspace, message boards, AIM, xanga, IRC...
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I use HRWiki only as a knowledge base. I have no interest or stake in guestbooks at all. If people want to do stuff that has nothing to do with the stuff I'm interested in, that's fine, but not when it starts taking significant attention (especially admin attention) away from the true purpose of the site. Also, after having read the entire page, I think I can safely assume that Strong Bad would mock us mercilessly for spending so much time and energy on something like this.
#This is enough. End guestbooks. The hrwiki isn't Wikipedia, and it is on a funny cartoon, but...IT IS A WIKI. Meaning that it is an encyclopedia. Not a place to mindlessly sign your name on the nearest available guestbook. Just wait ten days, do whatever you decide to do with the things, and forget it ever happened. And stop driving the poor patrolors insane. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====
#I want the sweet sweet guestbooks. They let other users know they are there. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 13:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Amost all of the people I know on the Wiki are from my or someone else's guestbook. Guestbooks make relationships! [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Guestbooks make relationships, granted, but that's not the only way to make relationships. This H*R knowledge-base wiki is not designed to be a place to hang out and socialize. That's what the forums and [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] are for. The proper way to make relationships on this wiki is to make good edits; eventually people will notice you. One can supplement relationship-building through other venues while editing the wiki the way it was intended. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Probably not as strong a point, but I like knowing that people have at least visited my page. I don't have a lot to offer on my page and I would actually like some comments. Restricting them to the talk page is probably best. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 03:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I think that would be a good point ''if'' signing a guestbook meant that someone had actually looked at the page. When it's just a game, however, to see how many you can find and sign, it loses all meaning. Also, notice the little counter down at the bottom (where it says "This page has been accessed ''n'' times"). You can track that number to see how many people are visiting your page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I can't speak for everyone else, but I at least read a page before signing a guest book. I thought that was the whole idea of one: letting the user know '''who it was''' that read the page rather than how many people have. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 20:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::And we appreciate that you read the pages. Unfortunately, as illustrated by the snippet from the recent changes in the comments section below, those who sign after reading are now a dwindling few. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Is there anything wrong with guestbooks?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Benol, you should read the guestbook discussion [[#Original discussion|below]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#The guestbooks aren't killing anyone, they're just fun. Why should we all act like a bunch of proper stuck ups on a Homestar Runner fan site? Now, if this were turning into a trend on Wikipedia, that'd be one thing, but this is a wiki on a silly, fun cartoon, and guestbooks are one of my fondest memories of this web site. What's next, will saying things like "ARROW'D!" be banned? Of course, I'm sure everyone is going to hate on me now and diss me like a bunch of geeks and nerds, just like what they did when somebody proposed that they could be saying "Strong Bad paints Marzipan" in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:Just for info: ''I'' was the one who proposed that. I don't exactly recall being catcalled about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#::Yeah, I noticed it was you right after I posted that. Well, I remembered everyone dissing you for that. There have been other times that users have been treated like crap for having a different opinion, though, and that wasn't a very good example, I guess. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::I agree, this may seem a bit extreme to some, but this part of the ''HRWiki'' family of websites is primarily for [[the facts]]. A more relaxed, "anything goes" atmosphere exists at the Fanstuff Wiki. Though this site isn't Wikipedia, we still strive to emulate their formal style, and attempt to limit most of our work here to building the Knowledge Base. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Yeah, that's a good point. We should probably be on the look out for more things in Homestar Runner to pick at until they're not even funny anymore. For a more formal atmosphere, how about we all strangle each other as we argue over fhqwhgads? Is she a wiffle ball? Are [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fhqwhgads Urban Dictionary's] theories true? And only we visiting the Fanstuff Wiki should watch Homestar for fun. Instead, let's try to find Homestar as boring as possible, so that all we can do is analyze crap.
#::::So, who's with me? Are we going to save the guestbooks, or are we going to suck all the life out of the wiki and make pages like [[Strong Bad Saying, "I Mean I (Did Something)"]] until nobody visits besides us? All right, perhaps I went a bit far. Anybody who's offended, no hard feelings. I just want sweet guestbook freedom. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::Uh, ok. Did you even bother to read the reasons why we wish to get rid of guestbooks? We are just trying to make life easier for patrollers. Besides, signing a guestbook does not mean that you are even remotely interested in their page. It just shows that you have a fast mouse and tilde finger. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Look, I hate to have the whole site against me, especially since I probably won't have as much luck winning you guys back as Strong Bad does, but no, I didn't read the excuse list. Why, because I know it won't affect my opinion on guestbooks. In my experience, I've visited way more talk pages thanks to guestbooks, and I actually check out what's there, so that I can get to know a little more about these peoples before I post. But if you'd like to liberate the site from those ridiculous fan activities, go ahead. I'll keep doing what I'm doing even if it means getting banned! I feel a song, erm, rap coming on...
#::::::(Do not tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock) WHEN I ROCK, WHEN I ROCK...
#::::::DO, DO, DO, '''DO NOT'''! Tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock! Original material my crew nonstop! We're keeping it fly and we'll turn it out, y'all feeling some of that? No doubt! Yes, that's right, I'm keeping my guestbook up no matter what! And maybe some people will respect me for my independence, but I seriously doubt that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::::1) John Rue is a good man. 2) Breathe. Nothing's happening one way or the other for at least ten days. While persuasive oratory is called for, panic isn't; it's not like guestbooks are dead unless everyone's convinced in the next couple of hours. 3) You're not alone, per se; although I'm far from strongly supporting guestbooks, I don't strongly oppose them. 4) Since time ''isn't'' of the essence, '''do''' take the time to read the rest of this conversation (and also where it [[#Original discussion|started]]). It helps to know what's already been said. 5) Although I'm sure the shock got your fight-or-flight reflexes going, so far no one ''is'' hating on anyone; the conversation so far has been civilized and non-angry. I really hope it stays that way through its course; please help it do so. 6) In closing, I'd just like to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed that a recent edit included the words "That's a big but." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Mr. Katana (or should I call you Mr. X?), Like a wise user once said to me when I was just new to the wiki and didn't have a username: "''sarcasm doesn't exactly work wonders while attempting to argue a point''". And now for the actual reply. We all want to have friends and meet new ones. If this fact was false we wouldn't have such sites as MySpace. Yes, the wiki is a way to make friends, contrary to what some people were saying here, and no, the Fanstuff is not the only place to goof around. But (and that's a big but) making friends through random signatures left on your userpage is not the way to do it. Some userpages told the signers to leave a comment next to their sig. While some posted things like "Thenks for helping me" or "We had fun that one time", alot of them left comments like "Yay! I'm number 27!" or "What? Another guestbook?!" showing that they don't really care about you, your userpage or how good your edits are. It just became a wall intended to be place for art pieces but ended up for ugly graffiti. If you want to make friends, have you thought of going to the chatroom? Having a project, a big one? Think about the wiki as school. An open one where you can make everything. Do you make friends by going to random people with a pen and writing something on their back? Or do you make friends by making something beautiful for all to see? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::First off, check what I posted before I was editing conflict'd. And second, too much ugly graffiti? I love too much ugly graffiti! No, seriously, where I come from graffiti is the finest art form around, but that's not really the point. This wiki isn't a school, unless it's the Crazy Go Nuts University, and I couldn't give a crap less whether people care about me or not, as you can plainly see. That's how I met basically everyone here, and that's how I met all my friends here who probably all hate me now. Anyway, even if it is a big waste of time, it's just freaking user pages, not actual articles, and from what I know, these guestbooks haven't caused any tragedy. So there, ban me for my guestbook. It's a Free Country, USA and I will not be silenced! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::1) Please see my most recent edit above. 2) Yeah, I've made the school analogy before, but I was just thinking "everything that's ''good'' or has the potential to be good about school, hopefully without the really crappy side effects." I.e. ideally it ''would'' be a place for creativity, spontaneity, and individual expression, plus communal, supportive collaboration, but without getting stuffed into lockers or simply called a dumb***. Hopefully it would ''not'' be a militaristic institution for the mass-producing of servile factory fodder either. 3) I'd be really surprised if anybody on the wiki hates you right now, ''including'' those with the opposite opinion on this argument. Guestbooks ''do'' make friendships (though meaningful talk page edits do so even better), and if the friends mean more to you than the guestbook, then even if guestbooks go the way of MXPX ''and'' the buffalo, you'll have what mattered in the first place. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::Yeah, we're on the same page. Or, more accurately, we're on two different pages which are right next to each other, but that counts too. One thing though, I don't think MXPX will be taking the buffalo route any time soon - I just heard them on [http://www.tv.com/users/DarthKatanaX/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=175628 Burnout Revenge] and all. So, to close it up, I'll halfta go check that out, and hopefully none of my friends will take my flames personally. You might want to check out the Fight for the Guestbooks on my talk page, anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::::Not long ago, before guestbooks were popular, we ''still'' managed to communicate, form friendships, plan projects, and so on... through the use of ''talk threads'' and ''IRC chat''. No one is going to be asking you to stop communicating. No one is going to prevent you from reading user pages and posting meaningful comments on the talk pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::::The advantage of a guestbook, of course, is that it ''solicits'' input from other users, where as an "unadvertised" talk page isn't likely to get unprovoked discussion that often. I ''have'' seen several creative examples of snagging input (input beyond a signature) already in play, though: I mentioned [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of things Homsar should say; Heimstern's recurring [[User:Heimstern Läufer#German translation fun|German H*R quote]] also springs to mind, as does Tony Stony's [[User:Tony Stony#Me (screenshot from iMirror)|Frankenpic]]. These 1) provoke people to sign, 2) are H*R related and require H*R skillz, and 3) are fun. I think they'd do what guestbooks set out to do, but do so much better. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think having a guestbook is a good idea; i would however support the concept of moving them to a subpage. {{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Same here. I didn't see an option to vote for that however. That would clear up the problem of confusing the edits with userpage vandalism. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 00:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't want to get rid of my guestbook. They let people know they've arrived. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 17:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Well, all it really lets you know is that they arrived at your guestbook. There's no real reason to expect—or even believe—that the person was on your page any longer than the time it took to type <code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I want 'em, but keep one only and keep 'em friendly, not competitive. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I'm with LePorello. I've never been competitive about these, and besides, like Darth said, they're just fun. I don't feel they are interfering with the wiki.
#:Perhaps you should see the recent changes snippet from earlier today in the comments section below (featuring none other than LePorello's edits). I'm wondering what your (and his) reply would be to my remarks there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::That's just one person. Although I agree with his statement, I don't agree with rapid signing. I, like Has Matt, look at a person's page before signing it. I give a short comment and I occasionally get a response as well. That works better that marathon signing. {{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::We wouldn't be having this discussion if it were just one person. When it comes to the point that you need an entire page devoted to a subject just to discuss it, that's indicative of an actual problem. Some of the replies in this section would make it sound like we're want to stop people from saying they like someone's page or from communicating at all. ''This is not the case.'' You would still be perfectly free to post comments in threads on the talk page, just like always. I think that's an even better way to get a response and start a dialogue that could lead to a friendship. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Ooooh. Didn't realize I was being a rapid-signing idiot there. Hence, I now resolve to actually read the user pages '''before''' signing guestbooks. (This doesn't change my vote. I'm still for 'em.) {{User:LePorello/sig}} 23:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#"Countless guestbook edits"? I think some of the supporters are exaggerating a bit. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Apparently, you do not read recent changes. Recently, there has been a ''huge'' spike in recent user page edits. This is problematic for people who patrol, since this was almost always trolling before guestbooks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#Although I don't really care about them, they haven't been bugging me at all. I don't mind if they stay, personally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I agree with LePorello. Only one, keep em friendly. [[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 12:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think we should be able to keep our guestbooks if we want to. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 16:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# This is a bittersweet oppose. I have a guestbook and I like it. I like seeing who has read my page. I think I was one of the original 6 guestbooks and my guest book dates back to October. I have even put up cute things to try to get a few certain people **cough cough**JoeyDay, Tom, HomestarCoder, Phlip, Joshua, Jay, The Paper, DorianGray, FireBird **cough cough** to sign it. I wish we can roll back the clock or restirct the creation of new guestbooks (grandfather the old ones in). I think the reason that Userpage edits have skyrocketed is that TBC haven't put a lot out lately and frankly I'm bored. Today I logged in about 4 times (because its a monday) and once I saw that there is no new toon, I check out user pages of my comrads. As I seem to be seriously outnumbered, I will delete mine if it comes to that but I will be sad to see it go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't see anything wrong with guestbooks. The primary "problem" seems to be that it floods Recent Changes. Increase the number of things that appear in Recent Changes, then. Besides, it's not like other things don't flood Recent Changes (Image templates, category additions, bots, etc). The other problem was that there's an increasing number of edits that have to be checked for vandalism. As the wiki grows, there'll be more edits, user namespace or otherwise. It's not that hard to check edits for vandalism. And that's my six cents. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Read the page. The primary "problem" is not the recent changes. That's a side effect. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#Keep the guestbooks, they're cool to have. If you're so terribly worried about recent changes, then just move guestbooks to the talkpage or a subpage. And to the people who say that guestbooks should be banned because you think they are pointless, well that's the most retarded thing I've heard lately, if you don't care for them then JUST DON'T USE THEM! And the claims about recent changes flooding sound pretty hyped up, the same kind of crap I hear from the opponents of userboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 14:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Once again, recent changes is just the straw that broke the camel's back. The real problem is that guestbooks have become a mere shell of what they were intended to be. Since there are real and better ways of communicating, we are going to do away with guestbooks in favor of talk threads. On another note, it's not like everybody doesn't know what the word is there that you "censored", and it is not appropriate for this discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#::OK, It's dot com, I removed it. Happy now? I just get tired of all this crap, all of these people who insist upon removing something others like, just because they disagree. OK, so use talk threads instead if you like, but ''why not just have both''? Seriously, what's wrong with having options? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Wow, two of my best friends here fighting, better grab some popcorn! No, seriously, when it comes to this one I just halfta "go Switzerland" - that's what my homies call it. So, Yeltensic, good job backing up the guestbooks, and It's dot com, good job keeping this site safe for everyone. There. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Well, you can go Switzerland and still grab some popcorn. When I play a video game and two people do damage to each other at the same time, so that they come out still even, I call it 1812ing. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Actually, the battle seems to be over, at least for now. So maybe you should wait on the popcorn. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think that we should keep the guestbooks. I mean, I always enjoy signing a guestbook. It's always fun to look and see who visited your page. I always enjoy it when people sign my page. It just lets you know that there are people that look at your page. I support them. They may be pointless, but they're fun and interesting. I mean, if you got rid of everything pointless, where would I be?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#One word: "Overregulation". --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 03:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Seriously/sig}}
#Agree with Darth Katana X. Not to say the HRWiki isn't awesome ('cause it is!), but ''come on!'' Wikipedia has more "silly" "un-encyclopaediac" stuff like this, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an ''encyclopaedia'', not a website about a ''funny'' web cartoon. Anyway, I'm fine with restricting guestbooks to one per userpage, and one signature per guestbook. But banning them is kinda pointless, guestbooks really don't do much harm (and yes, I did read the discussion below), and one can just filter out the "User" namespace on the recent changes if it gets in the way (which it really). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#Even being a member of the Recent Changes Patrol, or something like that, I don't see what's wrong with guestbooks. They let people know they exist without vandalizing. Plus, '''if users just put in the summary that they signed the guestbook, we won't have to be as paranoid about it'''. Sure, they're pointless and take up space, but come on! It's not like this is the Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki. It's the Homestar Runner frickin' wiki! It's about a funny little web cartoon! Now, if there ''was'' an Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki, and this was it, sure, I would oppose. But this is the Homestar Runner Wiki. Laugh a little. ''Live'' a little. I mean, even Wikipedia has some pointless joke stuff. Now they would oppose guestbooks, sure, but that's because of the difficulty of checking recent changes; they make hundreds of edits in a minute. But on this wiki, edits are made much less frequently. We have time, people. We can mark things as patrolled nice and, uh, relaxily. Hoping they don't get rid of the sweet sweet guestbooks, {{User:Gnome of Fury/sig}} 21:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
# It's a great way to communicate on other user's pages without asking them to. Agree to oppose deleting them. Keep the guestbooks! --{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 00:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* The primary objections seem to be 1) that they make userpage vandalism harder to spot, and 2) they make a lot of "empty" edits to check out in general. Stux suggested restricting them to User Talk pages; although it wouldn't solve the second issue it would solve the first. Although I don't like them, I'm not so sure they need to go entirely; they ''do'' have some benefit in community-building, plus banning them even from talk pages seems a little draconian. (If the defense were that they're not wiki-related talk, many of us would be [[User talk:AbdiViklas#Solfège...|guilty]].) Certainly only one per user per lifetime should be allowed, but I'm not ready to vote to end them entirely and everywhere. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I think the reason that people are ready to get rid of them entirely is because they are not being used as real guestbooks. A signature on one does not mean that the user page was appreciated or even read. Some users actively campaign (via talk page spam) to try and get more signatures, which just drives up frivolous edits more. This is why I believe they should be eliminated, not just moved. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*I wish there was some way to keep certain guestbooks, such as the ones that were around before they were a fad, or the ones used actually as guestbooks, not as a challenge to see how many signatures they can get by a certain date... But there's not really a way to fairly decide that, is there? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Yeah, it's kind of like when one noisy student ruins the field trip for the whole class. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::I hear you, Thunderbird. But yes, that ''would'' be quite difficult to justify reasonably: "Your guestbook is appropriately motivated; you can keep it! But ''your'' guestbook is a mercenary guestbook; you can't!" I personally don't find the argument of function compelling (not "proper" guestbooks); frivolous edit and talk page spamming ''are'' concerns, though. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Since I seem to be saying a lot in defense of guestbooks, I just want to play the other side for a sec.: There's no reason people can't simply link to blogs or personal websites which have guestbooks of their own. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Just curious, but why ''are'' you saying so much in the defense of guestbooks? You don't have one. Almost none of the people with whom you collaborate most often have one. Have you ever formed a meaningful friendship through one? I myself have signed a few guestbooks (back when that's what they were), but nothing substantial came of it. Again, I'm just curious. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; not only do I not have one, but I've never bothered to sign one that I can remember. It's not ''just'' that I'm playing Devil's Advocate, arguing for them since there seemed to be few voices for them at first; I do actually feel that they don't necessarily need to go. Mind, I ''definitely'' think at the least "guestbook reform" is necessary, and would like to see their form and function not only preserved but improved; I just have misgivings about a cold-turkey crackdown. I'm certainly not going to be broken up if they go, since I don't think they're doing as much good or meaning as much as their owners perceive them to, but I'd like to keep the "anything goes in your userspace ''except''" list no longer than necessary. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*If this thing didn't evolve to be a fad I would even fight for the right to keep them. But now they just litter the recent changes page. This days are the first time I had to use the MainSpace filter to a actually ''see'' the edits {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Finally! I am so tired of this stupid fad! You sign one guestbook, another million pop up. They serve no purpose to the wiki and, frankly, they're now really unoriginal. Are we just owning and signing guestbooks because everyone else is? I mean, when it comes to taste, everyone just follows each other like sheep. Why else are the music charts here in England full of crap? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:By the way, if you haven't liked them, there's always been an avenue of dissent: not to sign them. I've never quite figured out the cases where somebody signs a guestbook and simultaneously complains about it. Seems to me by signing you'd just be helping them spread. (I know, there can be social obligation, etc. Just saying.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Ok, I confess. Like many other users, I just sign guestbooks to increase the number of links to ''my'' user page! Yes, I know. It's a form of self-advertising. Stick your signature everywhere and more people visit your user page. Besides, all I put is "My autograph? Sure!", giving no feedback whatsoever. I use talk pages to do that. I should probably be locked away for such crimes. Anyway, the main thing is that these points alone probably show why we should get rid of them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*just because you consider it a fad, it's a USER PAGE. as in, the USER gets to decide what to do with it. and if they want a guestbook, it's not up for the wiki to decide. this sounds like a meaningless rule designed to give more control to a humble majority. "I don't like jumproping! nobody else can jumprope from now on!"{{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Actually, user page control is not absolute. We do give quite a bit of leeway as to what you can put on a user page, but there are [[HRWiki:User_space#What_should_I_avoid.3F|certain restrictions]]. If the community decides (and not by just a simple majority) that it's best if we eliminate guestbooks, then we will. But we're not taking this decision lightly—It has simply reached a boiling point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; despite what I ''just'' said a few edits above about "anything goes in your userspace except," it's ''not'' your private property, and it ''is'' for the wiki to do decide. As is stated somewhere in the restrictions It's dot com just linked to, you can find unfettered freedom of personal expression simply by linking to an external site. You can ''even'' host a guestbook there and link to it! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Is there a way to keep any user X's guestbook at "User:X/guestbook" and modify code somewhere to make it so that no changes made to to pages of the form "User:X/guestbook" would appear in the Recent changes log? (I understand this opens the door for unchecked vandalism.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Well, it would be possible from a technical standpoint, but I'm not very comfortable with random users' edits not showing up in the recent changes. Besides, the recent changes flood is just an annoying ''symptom'' of the underlying cause (that guestbooks aren't being used as intended). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*These three consecutive edits illustrate the supporters' positions precisely: If you were a speed reader, you ''might'' could get through all three of those pages in less than a minute each, but would you have enjoyed the experience at all? I think not. Those who would read a user page are no longer signing guestbooks, and those who now sign guestbooks are just clogging up the recent changes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I have to say that I am not a person that goes on a random guestbook signing spree, subsequently clogging up recent changes. If I find a user page which I haven't read, I read it, if I am interested and have time, and if that user has a guestbook, I sign it as well. I do not just look for the guestbook on a page and see how many I can sign in a minute. However, I know I can't speak for the rest of the Wiki, which is why we are having this conversation in the first place. You have to admit, whether you like it or not, guestbooks have affected this Wiki in a huge way; some think it's affected it for the good, some think for the bad. I know that a lot of friends have been made through guestbooks, and that they can be utilized to function in a positive fashion, but I also have to admit that they have caused a lot of problems in the Wiki as well. I am not a strong supporter or opposer of the idea of taking away guestbooks. It does seem kinda totalitarian and 1984-ish to ban guestbooks from the Wiki, but on the other hand, this Wiki's main purpose is not to have fun, but to document anthing and everything Homestar Runner. While there are a lot of ways we can have fun in the process of doing that, it seems as if guestbooks have ventured beyond the realm of a fun, innocent little thing that shows how valued you are to a way to get attention and compete to be the first one to sign. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::i agree with the beginning of what has matt just said. not everyone just goes on for a guestbook, and if you think it clogs up the recent changes, '''deal with it.''' that is just the way it goes. i know lots of people have made friends, i would too if i felt like being an actual user. guestbooks are good. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 00:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::We ''have'' been dealing with it... for a while now. If they weren't being abused I would happily continue dealing with it. But since other, more productive ways to get to know each other can take their place (like talk threads), we'd rather stop dealing with it because we're ''tired'' of dealing with it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::true, i must admit. it's just that guestbooks seem like, almost....icebreakers. you are not going to go to a talk page and type, "want to be my friend?" instead, you will have signatures that you will go to, and their you will laugh at the stuff they say. then you will eventually just leave notes on their talk pages, and it will be great. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
* To be honest, I don't think the "Recent Changes Flooding" argument is a particularly strong one. Whenever I look at Recent Changes, the two things that catch my eye a lot more than Guestbook entries, even frequent ones, are the occasional flood of <nowiki>{{web-screenshot}}</nowiki> and similar edits that go on a lot of images all at once, and when users make a whole bunch of minor edits to their sigs, their user pages, etc., all at once. (I'm guilty of doing this myself now and then.) Very rarely do I see guestbooks as causing a lot of spam in the Recent Changes list, and they personally don't bother me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:The web-screenshot floods are a necessary evil for us not getting sued (and I'm not getting into that now) and will stop the moment the project is done. If users would just learn to use the "Show preview" button before all those minor changes it wouldn't flood the RC page. The only thing that is left flooding is the guestbooks, and we are discussing those right now. Please don't try to change the subject or pointing the finger on other stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Besides, KieferSkunk, the point I keep trying to make is that the recent changes flood is just indicative of a bigger problem. But never mind that for a second... You can easily hide image edits by switching the namespace to "Image" and pressing "Invert selection". (Also, once we finally get all the images tagged, we won't have those floods anymore.) I sometimes use the same trick with the "User" namespace just so I can see the "real" edits, but this isn't a viable option in the long run for patrollers because vandalism would go completely unchecked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I realize that, and I'm not trying to change the subject or point fingers. I'm just pointing out that, to me personally, the Guestbook-related edits don't bother me - they seem to take up much less room in Recent Changes (at least whenever I look at them) than other edits, and I just sorta tune them out most of the time. I don't see it as being as significant a problem as others do, apparently. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*Has it occurred to anyone that since a guestbook generally has its own subheading on a userpage, the word "guestbook" or some form thereof automatically appears in the edit summary, meaning that they can easily be distinguished from userpage vandalism on recent changes? And that's really the whole case against them, the recent changes problem, is it not? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 19:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:No, as Dot com explained in response to your comment above, the recent changes problem is NOT the primary problem. The primary problem is that guestbooks are not being used reasonably - there's too many instances of "I need to sign as many guestbooks as possible / get as many sigs as possible in the shortest period of time." {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Perhaps I should clarify. What I meant is that the recent changes problem is the only ''valid'' concern. The fact that you dislike them, or the way that they are use, is not a valid concern as far as grounds for banning them. For instance, I don't like rap music, does that mean it should be illegal? No, of course not, because other people like it. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::That argument would hold if we were trying to ban guestbooks from the Internet as a whole. This is the Homestar Runner Wiki, and we have lots and lots of policy as to what's allowed on pages. For example, you're only allowed two personal images. You're not allowed to put a blog on your userpage. You're not allowed to post fanstuff in the knowledge base. You're not allowed to say R-rated things. Nobody would stop you from creating an external guestbook and linking to it from your userpage. "Other people like it" is not a complete argument. Admin'ing on the H*RWiki has taught me that lots and lots of people like to go from page to page and replace the character names with "POOP LOL" but nobody thinks we should allow that. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Um, yeah, but POOP LOL harms articles, guestbooks don't do that. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeltensic, I find it ironic that by blindly signing as many guestbooks as you can find <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Yeltensic&limit=28&go=first as fast as you can]</span> you are essentially proving the supporters' two main points. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::Good job, you just completely missed what I was doing. I was a) trying to fit in as many self-ads as possible before guestbooks are banned, and b) protesting this laughably absurd policy proposal. As I've wondered on my userpage, is there some conspiracy going on that spans two sites, Wikipedia and HRWiki? It's odd that the absurd "guestbook crisis" here was made up around the same time as the "userbox crisis" over there. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::What, because they're going to be banned within the next ten minutes? You've got plenty of time for that. If you're a Wikipedia regular, then perhaps you've heard of not disrupting the wiki to make a point. It seems that in the time you've spent griping about this you could have actually ''read'' those user pages in an effort to get to know the people. '''(By the way, nothing prevents anyone from picking users from the recent changes list, reading their user pages, and then leaving meaningful feedback on the talk pages.)''' This just goes to show that guestbooks do not promote anything more than their own perpetuation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::Well, how familiar are you with my offline life? I have exams this week, and I might not have all week to sign them left and right. And I did actually read the pages, but later I'll go and read them more closely, by finding them in my contribs. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::::Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on Yeltensic, but: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=0 Yeltensic's main namespace edits] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=1 Yeltensic's main namespace talk page edits]. No offense, but this is the sort of behavior we try to discourage - users who sign up to do nothing but edit userpages that never contribute to the actual H*RWiki pages, the reason we are all here in the first place. We're seeing too many users who sign up only or mainly to sign guestbooks / collect sigs in their own guestbook. There are lots of webpages devoted to that - try Myspace. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Well if I ever were going to get around to editing HRWiki pages, I definitely won't now, with you acting like that. Methinks I'll just stick to editing my userpage, signing guestbooks, avoiding you, all of those fun things. Good-bye and have a nice day. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 03:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Anyway, by joining lovely little discussions like this to defend guestbooks, I free up time for other users to edit articles instead of doing this. There are other ways to participate than editing articles. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I've said this before to other people, Yeltensic. This wiki is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. It's not a place to hang out and chit-chat about nothing relevant to the betterment of this encyclopedia. Guestbooks are only a side-effect of the main problem that I have. And it is people who bring IRC, the forums, and myspace to this wiki. People know this is why we are here, yet they continue to treat this wiki as something it's not intended to be. Your reaction to all of this, to Homestar Coder and others, just keeps pushing me further and further into the support category. I don't think the people who were willing to comprimise appreciate that very much. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you, Bazooka Joe, for responding much better than I would have. I'm in the support category, but I feel bad about responsible users who contribute a lot to the Knowledge Base having to delete their guestbooks just because some people come here only for chitchat. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 02:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*A teeny little bit of Devil's advocate here: So, there's a part of me that wonders if this fad would just go away if we left it alone. I find that, with the exception of those who are protesting this proposed ban, people are becoming less interested in guestbooks (notice how many people deleted their guestbooks right about the time Bubsty left). Maybe I haven't been looking at the right times, though. I guess I just wanted to get it out there that it ''might'' not be necessary to carry out this ban. Like I said, though, this is largely Devil's advocate; I'm not really against getting rid of guestbooks. Thanks for putting up with my rambling. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Then again, I'm just realizing now that the disapperance of some guestbooks (mostly by good users) means that a greater portion are of the existing guestbooks are frivolous. So, maybe that's a good reason to go ahead with the ban. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I, like Heimstern, have been somewhat abstaining from voting one way or another in this issue. There are probably more people who are somewhat ambivalent to the issue. I, myself don't have a guestbook, but I have signed many in my day, as I've mentioned before. I think the hardest thing to swallow is having to part with something that been attached to and they pride themselves in (be it for frivolous reasons or not). When I first saw them, I thought it was a great idea. I didn't know it had become the nuisance it is now until i started reading this dicussion. Personally, I still feel like eliminating them altogether seems like a rather extreme solution to the problem. Of course, like Heimstern said, many good users have voluntarily removed their guestbooks and what remains are the seemingly fanatical ones. It seems that a tug-of-war has arised over the desire for some users to have as much freedom over their userspace as possible, versus the need for this wiki to grow as a community and in order to do so it must have some reasonable structure to it. The willingness of many established members to give up their guestbooks is a clear sign that there is a problem. I think if the remaining guestbook users can show and exercise some restraint over their guestbook presentation and signing (i.e. having only one guestbook, not racing over signatures, etc), the general guestbook atmosphere can change to where a compromise can be reached and instead of banning guestbooks altogether, a set of reasonable guidelines are established on proper guestbook etiquette. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:You'd think so, wouldn't you? You'd also think that guestbooks wouldn't have grown to the problem they are now, but they have. You'd think that now that this issue is front and center, users wouldn't ''still'' be racing across the wiki playing guestbook hunt, but they are. Guestbooks are neither are a longstanding feature of the wiki nor something irreplaceable, and they need to go. The culture developing from the racing guestbook hunters seems to center entirely on the user namespace, something that is at odds with the purposes of this project. Ironically, though these users must spend a lot of time on user pages, retention of the info there cannot possibly be very high when the total time spent on any one page is less than a minute. There are better ways to communicate than that. For more than a year we got by without them and we will get by once they're gone. You might note that you and I have collaborated on several projects and know each other pretty well (relatively speaking) without once ever having signed a guestbook on the other's page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*i don't think guestbooks do much on either side. the recent changes thing doesn't matter much. also, people have the right not read a page. really, in my opinion, this whole page doesn't matter. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* Personally, I don't have one. They take a lot of space for those really popular folks, and seem to be a list of who all likes the person _BUT_ I still think they are a part of the user page and, while an easy target for vandalism, could also be used in a positive manner. The maintenence of a "clean" Guestbook should be the responsiblity of the User. [[User:The Monarch of Rhythm and Blues|Elvis]] 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*I think this is a bit of a waste of time, look how long this page has grown! If it's cloggin' up the recent changes your worried about, this page would have made it worse. :P But I have no strong opinion for either side. If people don't like these, I'll delete mine. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 02:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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===If the consensus is to end the practice, then what?===
====Delete them altogether====
#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm having a hard time understanding this position. All the arguments against guestbooks, it seems to me, center around what happens when people ''edit'' them (clogs recent changes, etc.). Aside from the possibility that having them around might incite new ones (which the "closed" tag idea [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Other|below]] ought to curtail), what exactly are they hurting? Even if deletion is necessary, is there a reason to go in and delete them by force with a "the notice has been up" defense rather than starting by asking the user to do so? It seems so... [[Wikipedia:Vogon|Vogon]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Keep in mind that almost nothing is actually ever deleted from the wiki. If people want to visit their old guestbook, it will still be in the history. You ask what they're hurting, and several people have said that they clog the recent changes. While I agree with this, it isn't the basis of my opposition to them because I think it is a weak argument and is only a side-effect of the underlying problem: namely, at some point in the not-too-distant past, guestbooks reached a critical mass and exploded. When that happened, they lost all meaning and became a game. In other words, if guestbooks were currently being used as they were intended to be used, then I would fight tooth and nail to keep them and ''to heck'' with the annoyance of the patrollers. ''But they're not,'' and I have no reasonable expectation that simply ''moving'' them would change the current behavior even one iota. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Oops—I wasn't very clear there. I meant what would "dormant" guestbooks hurt—i.e. something like closed STUFFs, with a little notice saying "This is from before we instituted our '''guestbook standard'''; please do not edit." (Elaboration [[#Other|below]] on how this could work.) Yeah, I think we're all pretty clear on what guestbooks currently hurt. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Burn them all!
#For the very clear reasons [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] stated above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC) — for the many reasons It's dot com has tirelessly explained (and, sadly, had to reiterate); the other proposals just aren't workable due to overhead, judgement calls, etc. The purpose of this website is not to provide a meeting place for people who are more interested in making new chat-buddies than in contributing to the encyclopedia. Let's get over our own egos and do what's best for the wiki.
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 20:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

====Move existing ones to subpages and lock them====
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I think that if someone really ''really'' values their guestbook, they should have the option of moving it to a subpage and keeping it there for the sake of documenting history.
#:Couldn't they copy it to their own computer? Also, they can still see it in their page history. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I'm just saying they should have the option. By the way, I'm saving my guestbook to my computer.
#:::I think we should fight subpage [[Wikipedia:Creep (project management)|creep]] as much as possible. If we disallow guestbooks, then those subpages would no longer serve the project. But if someone just wants to see one, all they would need to do is look at an old version of their page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::There are other reasons for wanting to keep one than sentimental value. Guestbooks—like user pages in general—are excusable exercises in vanity. The whole point of one is so people can see how many people like you, or at least have acknowledged you. Though this may not be a particularly noble motivation, it's hardly unreasonable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::But again, it's not like the comments would disappear from the histories. Why add to the already growing problem of subpages? Talk page discussions are just as good as (nay, better than) guestbook entries, because actual thought goes into leaving messages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC) As said above - Most people I met were from guestbooks.
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Once more, you would have a chance to copy the info to your computer, or look at it in your page history. (Broken record = me) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I know, but I want to meet more people, not ones from January. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Have you tried looking around the wiki yourself? Like the recent changes page or talk pages? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#For someone who knows what it's like to have something that took a long time taken from him, I'm voting about sub-paging and locking. At least give them that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Guestbooks were and always will be a major part of HRwiki history (not to mention all these arguements). I at least think that we should leave them on the Wiki. Taking them off would be like TBC disbanding Teen Girl Squad: sure, it used to be minor, but it became a big piece of the big enchilada. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh again* Is anybody reading the previous discussion? <u>They won't disappear from the histories</u>. Hardly anything ever does around here. As for being a major part of our history, I would tend to disagree with you there. They're a fad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I ''was'' reading the above arguements, thank you. But my point is that fads can make history books too. What about mullets? They were pretty big way back when. Now, I agree with the fact that they're not the biggest part of history, but maybe just have a little about them on the history page or something. Or keep some examples, like the ones that revolutionized guestbooks. Not trying to sound like a speech here, but, well, you know. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Well, what goes on the [[HRWiki:A History|history]] page is outside the scope of this thread (although whatever the outcome of this discussion is should definitely be noted there). Any links on that page can just as easily point to old versions of a page as anything else. By the way, by "revolutionized", do you mean "made a perfectly fine practice into a problem that then had to be dealt with"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Your point has seeped into my brain. But what if people took a screenshot of their guestbook in its final state, hosted it on a site, and provided a link to it on their userspace? Personally, I think that's a good idea for (a)anyone who wants to preserve their guestbook and (b)anyone who still wants the world to see it. That way, it's not really cluttering the wiki. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I suppose you could do that. Couldn't you also just put in a link to an old version of the page, <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:It%27s_dot_com&oldid=221198 kinda like this]</span>? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::I guess it would be the choice of the user, then. Pages like this would load faster than an image (especially if you had dial-up like me). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Heck, as long as you're hosting things externally and linking to them, you can keep your guestbook rolling (as I've mentioned somewhere else on this sprawling page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::i agree with abdiviklas. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
* '''Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures.''' They could even be thematic; [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of "Things I Wish Homsar Would Say" would be a good example (except in this scenario it would be on his talk page). The goal would be meaningful statements that would keep all the good aspects of guestbooks (recognition, friendship-building) without the qualities that started this discussion. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:But who will decide what's meaningful and what's not? Some will argue that "YA!!! IM #143! =^^=" is quite meaningful. And if some kind of standard is reached, who will remove the bad stuff from the user's page? The user? Sysop? Having something you wrote removed can triger alot of flame wars. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeah, good questions. First: once we're talking about talk pages, I for one would be cool with pretty much anything. As I've hinted earlier, some might not find discussions of the [[User talk:AbdiViklas#...And the Absoluteness of Absolute Pitch|absoluteness of absolute pitch]] the most ''meaningful'' talk page content. But I think the policy could be stated fairly clearly: don't just leave your name; try to say something substantive that will make the user happy or tell him or her something about you. The fact that your #143 only makes ''you'' happy, and isn't a particularly intrinsic personal quality. Secondly: Whoa now, yeah. ''If'' this conversation results in a change in policy, then I feel like it should be implemented by leaving the owner a note asking to do it him or herself. He or she can then either delete or move and convert it (though the vast majority would need to just start from scratch—which isn't so bad, really). Rather than moving to subpages and locking, my proposal would be to '''add a tag to existing guestbooks telling other users not to add to them, and then enforce it with warnings'''. It's not like we're dealing with vandalism on the Main Page here; once somebody accidentally signs a "closed" guestbook and is warned, they're not going to continue. If they do, they need to be banned anyway. But closed STUFFs, for instance, survive just fine without locking. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::That's a decent idea, but it definitely achieves rigamarole status. I vote for keeping it the way it is, but like I say, good one anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh) Sorry about that, I just felt like this place needed a random Strong Bad quote. Okay, back on task. Why don't we just put something in the standards page that says something like, "Although guestbooks in the Wiki are discouraged, you are allowed to have ''one'' guestbook on a subpage or on your talk page." Just another idea I'm throwing out here. You'll probably find some problems with this idea one way or another, I just felt it needed to be mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I would not have a problem with comments restricted to talk pages, but why would an organized guestbook be necessary there? First of all, there's nothing that prevents someone from starting a thread: "Hey, I read ''X'' on your page and you rock!" I have done that myself several times. Second, as we have clearly seen, there seems to be something wrong with a structured list with the label "Guestbook" that causes certain people to go into a frenzy, which completely negates the whole reason to have people sign it (i.e. to indicate that the user page was read and appreciated). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::How about this. If the guest book bannination is accepted. how about we give people with guest books 2-3 days to move to a sub page and have a sysop lock it. If they fail to do this, I think we should just delete the guest books that are left. And Has Matt?, I kinda think that that defeats the purpose of this vote. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Yeah, we're way past the point of simply ''discouraging'' them. Also, if we permitted them on subpages at all, then we'd might as well just move them to a subpage for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#My vote's with AbdiViklas's suggestion. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' And by that, I mean the suggestion of "Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 09:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I go for this option i'm voting for, but here's an idea: why not have a global hrwiki guestbook, for those of us that like to sign guestbooks? We lock all guestbooks except for this page where someone can sign their name in for the entire wiki? Strange I know but it just occurred to me. Another q: if guestbooks are totally deleted, yes they remain in the page's history... but what about guestbook subpages? (like the one that USED to be User:Kilroy/Guestbook)? Their histories are lost. Just like that last page I mentioned. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Even though it might look deleted, it's not. The only things that are really deleted when it says deleted are images. If someone needed the code from one of those subpages (for example, to archive locally), it could be undeleted long enough to take care of it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Ohhhh! Tight paaants! That is good to know! :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

* '''Start a one-day race for everyone with a guestbook to amass the most names. At the end of the day, everyone's guestbooks are deleted, and the winner gets a nickel (via PayPal).'''
*#{{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Everybody wins: guestbook proponents get one last day of unbridled mayhem, and guestbook opponents get eternal relief from their patrolling woes.
*#:Better yet, winner gets $100. Supplied by Trey56 of course. :-P {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::i think that's a great idea. i don't even have a guestbook, but i would like to sign some. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 13:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice and delete them altogether, when should that happen?===
*'''About ten days after the consensus is reached here, they should be deleted. A notice should be put up on the Recent Changes page and at the top of watchlists.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:And the notices have been put up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::(Notices of the current discussion, that is, not of deletion.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::Right. Up there I meant that similar notices would be put up saying something like "Now would be a good time to archive that locally before it's gone" or something. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::Do you think you could put a notice on the Main Page as well, like we did for donations and NSMC? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::The thinking is probably that this is an issue that doesn't really concern IPs; if someone's a user they'll probably see it either on recent changes or when they log in (it's on the "successful login" page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::Yeah, this isn't something we need to bother people with who are just here to read. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 17:00, 22 January 2006
*#Yeah, what counts as a guestbook? I mean, I have things like Favorite Sbemail, and the occasional poll. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:Bluebry, polls are different than guestbooks. Many people have guestbooks, while not as many people have polls. Polls won't last forever, and aren't as annoying as guestbooks. Most people leave their guestbooks up forever. Polls are temporary. Now, people with ''two'' guesbooks, on the other hand, are more of our focus. *wink wink* {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, Bluebry; see my comment near the end of the long [[#Oppose|Oppose]] section advocating the practice of Healthy Non-Guestbook Interaction Practices. Making good Peer-to-Talk page choices. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, um, sorry for having TWO guestbooks. Ummm, yeah. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::well, i think that it should be done in two weeks. that leaves users with plentiful time to get as much sigantures as possible.
*#::::One week is plenty. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Original discussion ==
''This disscussion was originally found in [[HRWiki:Da Basement]]''

Guestbooks started out as kinda cute. Then they became a fad. Now it seems that everybody's user pages are being edited by other people. I remember a time when such a thing was vandalism nine times out of ten. Having guestbooks is really becoming a nuisance for recent changes. I think we should do away with them. I don't even think moving them to a subpage is a good idea, because it seems most people just go around blindly signing them, without actually reading the page in question. I would prefer, if someone had read my user page, that they just made some kind of meaningful comment on my talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:I am going to have to say that I agree. At the very least, all current guestbooks need to be moved to a subpage. Guestbooks now are just for signing them, not to show that someone reads a guestbook owners userpage. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with Ben on all counts. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yessir. It's Dot Com hit the nail on the head. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, you guys are probably right. I have to admit, I'm also guilty of owning a [[User:Thunderbird L17/Guestbook|guestbook]], but if that's what it takes to do away with this pointless fad, I'll give a vote towards getting rid of all guestbooks, including my own. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::I like signing guestbooks. I don't have one but I like signing them. About 75% of the time I do end up reading the page in question too! I hope I'm not the exception. Perhaps they can be restricted to the user's talk page? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''EDIT CONFLICT:'''Agreed with everybody. Signing a guestbook doesn't say that you like that page, or that you enjoyed what they wrote. I agree with Dot com, leave a message with some thought if you want to say that you liked a user page, not put your sig on their userpage. I don't think guestbooks are ''bad'', they're just pointless.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 05:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::When we come to a point when (and I don't want to name names) there are two or three different guestbooks on the same userpage for no reason at all, or that there's a "guestbook race" where users race to see who could sign it first, or even when a user picks up a deadline for getting X signatures before a certian date, it's time to get rid of that fad. I hate seeing users who have more then 500 userpage and usertalk edits, but less then 20 mainspace edits. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Stux: That wouldn't make a difference. It's not about where it is, it's the fact that it clutters Recent Changes up and makes patrolling edits a nightmare. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 07:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I agree, although guilty of signing a few. It's become not only a fad, but a competition. Who can sign the most guestbooks, who can sign the fastest, whose is longer, who can reach the most by such and such date--even who [[User:Bluebry muffin|has the most]]. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::That page made me agree with getting rid of them. In fact, I'm gonna go get rid of mine right now. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 03:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::''{sigh}'' It's sad it got to this point. It's really kind of like [[The Geddup Noise]], isn't it? We've gone from "Guestbooks used to be cool!" to "Corporate Guestbooks still suck". I hate the thought of them being banned, but it probably has gotten to that point. I'll support it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Guestbooks are dying with their original creator, [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]]. I'm taking mine out too. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::<span id="noted"></span>I'm not sure exactly who started the fad, but my money's on [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]. Both [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smileyface11945&oldid=116185 his] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird_L17/Guestbook&oldid=171056 my] guestbooks predate that of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Bubsty&oldid=198810 Bubsty]'s. Still, I think Bubsty ammased the most sigs, and I belive it was his' that influenced the inordanant influx of guestbooks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:His is gone. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::Also, Bubsty never started guestbooks. He said he got it from RJMT somewhere. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I [[HRWiki:Da Basement#noted|just meantioned]] that. His' is [[User:Bubsty/guestbook|still around]], just not really linked to much. And [[User:RJMT|RJMT]]'s guestbook only goes back to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:RJMT&oldid=194351 Novermber 9th], which still post-dates both mine and Smiley's. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I think [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=IPADDRESSMAN this] is an interesting point... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Heh. That ''is'' interesting. But guestbooks clearly died out at some point (perhaps when we switched to MediaWiki), and have only recently resurged. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah. I'm not sure if anybody remembered his or not to start the MediaWiki generation of Guestbooks, but that's beside the point. We're getting a bit off topic now (mostly my fault). The question isn't who started them, it's should we keep them, and/or what should we do about them? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with Dot com. <small>(I know, I left, but I was finishing this killerdynamo and admin-hating thing up...)</small> About 2-3 weeks ago they weren't ''that'' big of a deal, but now it's gotten kinda... insane. Especially if everyone starts getting [[User:Bluebry muffin|more then one]]. They started out being cute, but ''now'' they're just plain annoying. (I feel kinda bad though, seeing as a lot of users see mine and think "Oh cool! I want one!"). I'm taking mine off. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)



''This is an archive of the original discussion. Please put new comments [[#Guestbooks|above]].''

Talk:Strong Bad Email

2006-01-10T03:21:31Z

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== An oddment ==

I was watching SBEmails. Then, I saw the flash file for ther menu. It still has the compy! [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

== Chinese ==

Okay, what's with the Chinese writing? Iv'e never seen that on the wiki... Is it suppost to be there? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 08:57, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Given that they were all added by an anonymous user to this and a couple of other pages all within an hour or so, and they're all links to commercial websites, probably not. {{User:phlip/sig}} 10:04, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed!

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed! [[The 386]]

== Newest Scroll Rap ==

Hey, did anyone notice that Strong Bad's head doesn't move while he is saying his latest email rap? Is this worthy to put on the page? {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... It is a bit strange. Perhaps under 'remarks'. There are alot of places that do call for it within the rap. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:54, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==36 1/2?==

I noticed somebody replaced '? 1/2' to '36 1/2' for the Toons Menu Stu email. How do we know it's 36 and a half? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Template==
I think that the sbemail articles (NOT the toons, articles), should have a template. Anyone agree? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:59, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Do you mean something in addition to [[Template:Strong Bad Email]]? If so, I don't think that is necessary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:10, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::I mean for Statistics, length, place, ect. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:11, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::You're talking about converting the [[Strong_Bad_Email#Additional_Information|additional information section]] into a template and then putting it on all of those pages? ...Why not? Seems like a good idea to me. (Note: I'm not sure where all you were planning on putting the template, but I don't think it should go on the emails themselves, just on this page and the various specialty pages.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::No, that template won't go on to the emails themselves, just the information pages. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:34, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, it sounds useful, especially since there's nothing on those pages tying them together. I think you should go for it, at the very least so we can see it and make an informed decision. The worst that could happen would be that nobody likes it and it gets reverted, but the way you describe it, I think everyone will like it fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::::It looks like E.L. Cool went ahead and made a template, so I added it to the pages. I think the green was intended to match the Tandy, but maybe a different color would be better. What do you think? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Haha.. I didn't even read this post! I thought that I was on a roll with The Cheat Commandos template and Limozeen one that I just went ahead and made it. And yeah, the green is for the Tendy, but you can switch it if you like. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:20, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I went ahead and added [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:StrongBadEmailInfo&curid=12672&diff=0&oldid=159419 Strong Bad Email Statistics] to the template. After all, it was a featured article at one point and I noticed that the article no longer linked to [[Strong Bad Email]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 02:08, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi, nice one. Forgot about in. Chack out [[Talk:20X6]] for some debate if this taplate should stay of not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:42, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Spin-offs? ==

We mention a few spin-off toons and characters in the opening paragraph, but there's so many things on the site that Strong Bad emails created. Should we have a section on this page for stuff on the site that came from Strong Bad emails? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 03:28, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:That's a prooty good idea. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:47, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::So, um, where should I put it on here? I don't think it's worthy of it's own article, is it? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:42, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Do TBC change the names of the users who send emails? ==

[http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=575567&topic=23877070 Topic on GameFAQS]...

''From: zztman5 | Posted: 10/3/2005 10:17:42 AM | Message Detail | #004<br>
...<br>
''I sent that email. That exact same email, exact down to text and everything... with the exception of the name. They changed my name on it. What the ****.<br>
''what the crap/10''

''From: Alastor the Stylish | Posted: 10/3/2005 11:31:02 AM | Message Detail | #005<br>
''They always change the names on them. I thought everyone knew that <_<''

Zuh? Is this true? I've never heard this... If so, should it be remarked somewhere?

:What about [[montage]]? We ''know'' it was sent by a wiki user and TBC didn't change the name. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:47, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:I think it's real easy for someone to claim that on an off-topic forum. What kind of evidence does the original poster have, or for that matter the person who claims that "everyone" knows this? Every indication in commentaries and interviews that I've ever seen is that TBC leave an email exactly as-is, with the exception that they might trim it for length. Certainly most of the names and locations in the various emails are vague enough that TBC wouldn't need to change them, and I believe the [[Legal]] page gives them the right to use the submissions. Besides, where would the joke be if there was no real Dan and Linda, Monkeydude, Someone, or Anonymous Contributor? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:56, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, really. I think at least one of those guys is not being truthful. There's no proof to them, whereas the Brothers Chaps have always indicated that their emails are exactly the same, right down to the name (which, I suspect, may be one reason why they never use mine: coz they can't pronounce the name). There's a lot of proof towards what It's dot com said. Personally, I think it's just someone looking for attention. It's a lot easier to say they used your email and changed the name than it is to actually get your email answered. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== DVD Redirects ==

Seen as we already have a numerical redirect to all the Strong Bad Emails, does anyone else think that making capitalised DVD redirects would be a good idea for all emails this is possible with (that is, all emails from [[some kinda robot|Some Kinda Robot]] to [[do over|Do Over]], excluding [[homsar|Homsar]], [[pom pom|Pom Pom]], [[marzipan|Marzipan]] and possibly [[interview|Interview]]) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:38, 17 October 2005 (BST)
:I think it's already been done for a couple, namely [[Army]] and [[Impression]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
==Actual sbemail program?==
Would it be difficult to write an sbemail.exe program? I would like the "DELETED!" feature in my default mail client, but I also like the dos based look to it. What would be the best language to write it in? has it been done?

[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 15:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

:Erm, my guess is the best place to ask/check for that kind of stuff is the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page fan stuff wiki]. I'd suggest browsing through the different categories to see if it's not already been done, if not ask there! Let me know if you find anything. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

::Something like [[Wikipedia:Mutt (email client)|Mutt]] perhaps?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== A Possible Poll? ==
Is there a way someone could make a possible poll to vote on the best email ever, it would be very cool...

:Sorry, but this is a knowledge base. We aren't about polling people. Perhaps you could check out some of the polls in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum]?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==<nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki>==

[[Image:ClearEg1.PNG|thumb|Without]] [[Image:ClearEg2.PNG|thumb|With]] I noticed Dot Com reverted my edit, here's why I put the clear up. On larger browser windows, the picture overlaps the top of the list, looking kinda goofy. Although the clear does make the page somewhat larger. Does anybody else have any opinions about the clear setting? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 13:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Just out of curiosity, what resolution is this running at? Is it 640x480? Is the resolution shown in your pictures the resolution that you normally run your computer at? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm guessing 1280x1024, based on where the text wraps. The overlapping didn't happen for me at that resolution, but then I realised - if you hide the TOC it does. Does the change I just made suit everyone? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's very nice now, Phil. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Great, thanks. Yeah, I have a big monitor, and I also like keeping text small to reduce scrollage. Sometimes the big resolution creates special problems for me. Thanks for fixing this one though, philip. (Oh, and I hate TOCs, I never display them) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== Navigation template ==

So I decided to '''be bold''', but it appears I was a bit ''too'' bold. Anyway, check out the new navigation template at the top of emails [[some kinda robot|1]] through [[i rule|11]], and comment here. The rationale for this is that it's very handy to be able to flash through a sequential group of items without scrolling down to the bottom of the page every time. My goal was a consistent navigation that keeps the "next" link in (usually) the same place on each page, to minimize the need to move the mouse. This would be useful when browsing email by email, perhaps to see what characters and places make an appearance in each, or perhaps just to read each synopsis. Such a thing would be very useful to me right now, for example, as I am trying to compile a little list of the most "important" emails so my wife can read them in order and get a feeling for overall chronology without reading all 130+ emails. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 17:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Emails [[some kinda robot]] and [[portrait]] demonstrate the tweaked versions of the template for the first and last emails. Note that, for example, when email #140 gets released, [[portrait]] will have to be changed from the sbelast template to the sbe template, and the name and number for 140 will have to be added to it. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the ''presence'' of the template ===

I'm pretty neutral at this point, maybe a bit on the positive side. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm leaning further positive, the more I think about it. However, with emails that are disambiguated, would the navigation template remain at the top of the screen, or go one line down? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Go one line down. I don't think we want the '''Strong Bad email #X''' line to come before the disambiguation line. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::The only other thing I can think of about the format, is that going forward is easy to just click click click, but going backwards requires moving the mouse around a bit every email. Can't really think of an easy way to fix it though, unless you put forward on the right side of the screen, back on the left side of the screen, and some form of a main title or number in the middle of the screen. What do you think of that? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::As it is now, the template distracts a bit from the thumbnail image. My eye is expecting just an image to be there, clean and unobstructed, like we have in about 90-95% of our articles. See a few [[Special:Random|random articles]] to compare. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::What if the links were small and gray? As said: "It's more functional than aesthetic". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::That might help Tom's issue, but I wouldn't like the inconsistent formatting of hyperlinks. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: ''[edit conflict]'' The proximity to the image bothered me, too, but I accepted it as a compromise. Another possibility is to put the navigation inline; something like one of these, perhaps:
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< (#3) butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out (#5) >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<<(#3)]] | [[making out|(#5)>>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|<<previous]] | [[making out|next>>]])
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|#3]] | [[making out|#5]])
:::: But I ''think'' I find that more intrusive than where it is now, above the (optional) image. Anyway, the fourth or fifth one is probably the best; in this context I'd be looking for a minimal footprint. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::The 4th or 5th options could also take advantage of our [[sbemail3]]-type redirects, and we could then shorten the template to three simple variables. You could probably also manage a Greasemonkey script similar to [http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1015 this one] to work like that too, if we end up not going with the template at all. Though if we do go with this template, I think I'd rather have the names than just the numbers. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Here's what I would do: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=232217] I think that it is an appropriate position for the navigationand does not take away from other things on the page. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the ''presentation'' of the template ===

Perhaps a different color, to make it stand out better? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: I dunno ... it's more functional than aesthetic. In fact, I didn't want to draw a lot of attention to it, since this is the top of the page. Part of the reason I flush-righted it was for the "next-link in the same place" goal, but another part was to remove it from the main text stream of the beginning of the page. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:: While you should never place form over function, I would still argue that they're both important.
:: Instead of:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>[[some kinda robot|<< (#1) some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td>
</tr></table>

::How about something a little smaller and self-contained:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:10px;line-height:100%"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Fixing the width of the box on the right?
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #9'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[brianrietta|← [8] brianrietta]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[trevor the vampire|trevor the vampire [10] →]]</td>
</tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: I like where that is going (a lot, actually), with a few comments:
::::# Don't make the links too small; in my browser (with a medium text size), It's dot com's examples are pushing the limit of readability/aesthetics and Tom's examples have crossed it (the text is pixelpuky and the smallest arrows have turned into lines with a one-pixel "blip" on the top side). This might be a good reason to use << and >> instead of arrows.
::::# I wouldn't recommend fixing the width of the right-most box. You'll never be able to predict how wide it should be for all browser contexts without making it way too wide, and this really isn't necessary; the goal of "same x,y position" is most important for the "next" link (which will get far more use), and even with the size of the next link being variable, you can aim for sort of an "average middle" on the previous link and still not have to move your mouse very much. Click through the first 10 emails and you'll see what I mean. (And furthermore, since disambiguation lines introduce Y-axis variations, the whole "same x,y" goal will never be achieved 100%.)
::::# Let's replace the pipe symbol (|) with a cell border (although I'm sure my css below needs to be cleaned up!).
::::# Although I, too, began my templates without using number signs (#), I added them later because otherwise a number in parentheses looks more like a count than a designator, and I wanted consistency with the email # on the left-hand side of the same line.
::: So all that said, the following works really well for me:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< [#1] some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ [#3] >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or perhaps
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot (#1)]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or even just
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: I like this last version very much. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:12px">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:12px">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::: I also made one here of the simpler version but with arrows for comparison. I enlarged the arrows just a touch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Bill, out of curiosity, how much different is this version (from what you can see in your browser):
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::::from It's dot com's directly above?
::::::[[Image:SbeNavLayoutSnapshot.PNG|right|thumb|218px]] Here's a snapshot (at 100%). I still prefer the angle brackets, unless the arrows can be fixed up with a reasonable chance of looking good in various browsers at various resolutions. I'm using Firefox, 1280x1024, medium-ish text size, on both a laptop and a desktop, and the arrows look a bit clunky on both. However, I also realize I'm flirting with hypocrisy here, since the angle brackets look quite unsophisticated and I always advocate using the "real" version of a symbol (such as an em dash [—] instead of two hyphens [--]). Do we have escape sequences for solid triangles? Those might make for a good compromise. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 16:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and consider whether we would want to use the same trick for Teen Girl Squad, Marzipan's Answering Machine, and any other reasonably sequential series of pages. We might want a separate set of templates for those others, since the page layout is slightly different from a Strong Bad email, but I'd think we'd want the nav boxes to look consistent. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 16:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:Could it be done like this:

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>'''homsar'''</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

How's that look? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:I like it! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ationsong, I like your version the best, but what I like would be a full horizontal screen version of that, with the title in the middle, and then the forward and back buttons on the left and right. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Bill, here's how it looks for me:
[[Image:20050107_SbeNavLayoutSnapshot-tom.png|frame]]
{{clear}}
:::Another addition I'd like to get your opinion on is the following:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::I've been meaing to fix the transparancy of that image, but other than that, what do you think? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::: Honestly? I didn't know what it was for at first. Initially I thought "watch" meant "add it to my watch list." I guess I'm fairly focused on what I thought the navigation should do, and this seems like an "add-on" that doesn't need to be there. This nav system is all about rapid movement from one email to an adjacent email; dropping out to watch one of them doesn't need to be part of the "quickness" factor (for that I can easily hit the End key and click the normal watch link). {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Easily fixed by the suggestion below:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::::::Better? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Note: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AMonobook.css&diff=232472&oldid=229416 Fixed transparancy]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about "watch email" or somesuch that indicates what you're about to watch? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I think either "watch homsar" or "watch email" would work. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Even though people like my other idea, I had another one, and figured that there's no harm in posting it. It looks like this:

<br style="clear:both" />
{| id="navbox" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em; padding: 0.2em"
! style="background:#ccccff" width="100%" | [[Strong Bad Email]]s
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" | [[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" style="font-size: smaller;" |
[[some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ]] | [[homestar hair]] | [[making out]] | [[depressio]] | [[halloweener]] | [[brianrietta]] | [[i love you]] | [[trevor the vampire]] | [[i rule]] | [[credit card]] | [[i she be]] | [[duck pond]] | [[the basics]] | [[band names]] | [[studying]] | [[stand-up]] | [[tape-leg]] | [[spring cleaning]] | [[cartoon]] | [[sb_email 22]] | [[little animal]] | [[the bird]] | [[super powers]] | [[CGNU]] | [[3 Wishes]] | [[1 step ahead]] | [[superhero name]] | [[12:00]] | [[sugarbob]] | [[flag day]] | [[gimmicks]] | [[weird dream]] | [[sisters]] | [[guitar]] | [[dullard]] | [[helium]] | [[property of ones]] | [[vacation]] | [[invisibility]] | [[action figure]] | [[little questions]] | [[lures & jigs]] | [[techno]] | [[your friends]] | [[new hands]] | [[ghosts]] | [[theme party]] | [[50 emails]] | [[website]] | [[island]] | [[comic]] | [[morning routine]] | [[cheat talk]] | [[current status]] | [[japanese cartoon]] | [[dragon]] | [[marzipan]] | [[huttah!]] | [[monster truck]] | [[interview]] | [[fingers]] | [[english paper]] | [[unused emails]] | [[the show]] | [[autobiography]] | [[caper]] | [[personal favorites]] | [[big white face]] | [[2 emails]] | [[crazy cartoon]] | [[mascot]] | [[privileges]] | [[funny]] | [[sibbie]] | [[suntan]] | [[anything]] | [[the process]] | [[stunt double]] | [[date]] | [[impression]] | [[labor day]] | [[kids' book]] | [[2 years]] | [[no loafing]] | [[mile]] | [[couch patch]] | [[local news]] | [[colonization]] | [[caffeine]] | [[kind of cool]] | [[army]] | [[video games]] | [[the bet]] | [[lackey]] | [[monument]] | [[stupid stuff]] | [[different town]] | [[flashback]] | [[car]] | [[lunch special]] | [[haircut]] | [[theme park]] | [[replacement]] | [[dangeresque 3]] | [[cheatday]] | [[pom pom]] | [[crying]] | [[for kids]] | [[other days]] | [[old comics]] | [[pizzaz]] | [[the facts]] | [[time capsule]] | [[extra plug]] | [[montage]] | [[virus]] | [[animal]] | [[radio]] | [[part-time job]] | [[dreamail]] | [[origins]] | [[secret recipes]] | [[rock opera]] | [[best thing]] | [[long pants]] | [[rampage]] | [[garage sale]] | [[do over]] | [[boring (really)]] | [[modeling]] | [[bottom 10]] | [[record book]] | [[lady...ing]] | [[geddup noise]] | [[bedtime story]] | [[space program]] | [[portrait]]
|}

:::::::This integrates the "email navigation" template with the "strong bad email" template found at the bottom of every page. It still needs a little formatting work, but I think this solves the problem of where to put it so that it does not get in the way of other elements on the page. What does everybody think? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 15:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::A good idea, but the whole point of the nav buttons was to avoid scrolling to the main template. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science! Er, I mean, "Exactly!" {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::And once you get to the big nav template, it's really not that hard to locate your place in the list (since it's a different color and bold) and just click on the next or previous email. (I fixed the template above to illustrate this.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science!, again. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I am going to implement Tom's most recent design (the one that reads "watch homsar") so that we can see whether we're close or whether we need to go back to the drawing board. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, I switched them on [[homsar]] and [[butt IQ]]. How do they look? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:: It's just not clicking for me, for several reasons:
::# Too disparate; what does watching the toon have to do with previous/next navigation?
::# Too redundant; the watch/view links at the bottom of the page are only and End-button away, and offer more options. (The prev/next links are at the top to reduce scrolling, but this is a non-issue for a low-repetetivity action like watching a toon.)
::# Too inconsistent; it makes me feel like we would need a little "watch" box at the top of ''every'' page that represents a toon. (Why would there be a watch box for [[butt IQ]] but not for [[Experimental Film]]?)
::# Too imposing; the box is starting to take over the top of the page. Look how big it would get on [[different town]]:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #99'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[stupid stuff|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> stupid stuff]]</td>
<td>[[HR:different town|watch '''different town''']]</td>
<td>[[flashback|flashback <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:: So, I advocate keeping this template slim, unimposing, and focused on its task.
:: {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, maybe we ''should'' have a small watch button at the top of all toons. That's often the reason I go to the pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

=== new thought ===

If I could wish any wish this holiday season, first would be the crap about the kids*, but second would be this: The ability to define an article as part of a named series. All such articles would be numbered to define the sequence within the series, and when displayed, would automatically get "previous" and "next" links in the toolbox, or above or to the right of the title, or someplace like that. Being a software developer, maybe I should look into what it would take to write a wiki extension that does something along these lines. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Adapted from "A Holiday Wish" [http://jdmbablog.blogspot.com/2004/12/holiday-wish-by-steve-martin.html] by Steve Martin on ''Saturday Night Live''.
::I think that sketch is hilarious and wish I could see it again. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== genericity of the navigation ===

Some more examples to chew upon:

<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0</div>
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr valign=top>
<td>The King of Town unsuccessfully tries to deliver an invitation, Pom Pom talks crazy talk, and Detective Everybody reports that Homestar Runner is dead.</td>
<td> </td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|<< Version 1.0]]</td><td>[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0|Version 3.0 >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
[[Image:MarzipanAnsweringMachineV2.png|thumb|180px|right|Good for screening calls]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Marzipan]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Homestar Runner]]

. . .
<br clear=all>
<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Teen Girl Squad Issue 8</div>
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr valign=top>
<td>The girls join the Battle of the Bands.</td>
<td> </td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|<< Issue 7]]</td><td>[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9 >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
[[Image:Kissy Boots.PNG|200px|thumb|Kissy Boots in action.]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], [[What's Her Face]], [[The Ugly One]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Intercom|Intercom]], [[Tompkins]], [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Floor Tom|Floor Tom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fatty|Fatty]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|A Shark]], [[Strong Bad]] (Easter egg)

. . .
<br clear=all>
There may be some other series that could benefit from this, too; these just seemed like the most obvious. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 15:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== new menu ==

When the new rap came out, the email [[geddup noise]] is new again, and the emails newer than that aren't there.
--{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 20:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
: Even odder: I'm trying to load it, and NO emails are listed, and the "random.bat" button leads to [[HR:undefined|this]] (404'd) page (that is, "undefined", without even so much as a ".html".) [[highschool]] works fine though... when linked from the [[Main Pages]] or externally. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::Most works for me... The only glitchy thing is random.bat. It works fine; it just doesn't scroll. I mean, you click it and the screen stays in place, instead of following the cursor. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I get Jay's error. Very strange {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}}
:::Me too. When I pressed random, it went to undefined but when I pressed it again, it caused my computer to run very slowly. Odd. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup>

Talk:Strong Bad Email

2006-01-10T03:20:01Z

Sahm: /* new menu */

{{Template:Talk:Strong Bad Email}}
{{featuredarticle}}

== An oddment ==

I was watching SBEmails. Then, I saw the flash file for ther menu. It still has the compy! [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

== Chinese ==

Okay, what's with the Chinese writing? Iv'e never seen that on the wiki... Is it suppost to be there? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 08:57, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Given that they were all added by an anonymous user to this and a couple of other pages all within an hour or so, and they're all links to commercial websites, probably not. {{User:phlip/sig}} 10:04, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed!

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed! [[The 386]]

== Newest Scroll Rap ==

Hey, did anyone notice that Strong Bad's head doesn't move while he is saying his latest email rap? Is this worthy to put on the page? {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... It is a bit strange. Perhaps under 'remarks'. There are alot of places that do call for it within the rap. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:54, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==36 1/2?==

I noticed somebody replaced '? 1/2' to '36 1/2' for the Toons Menu Stu email. How do we know it's 36 and a half? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Template==
I think that the sbemail articles (NOT the toons, articles), should have a template. Anyone agree? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:59, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Do you mean something in addition to [[Template:Strong Bad Email]]? If so, I don't think that is necessary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:10, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::I mean for Statistics, length, place, ect. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:11, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::You're talking about converting the [[Strong_Bad_Email#Additional_Information|additional information section]] into a template and then putting it on all of those pages? ...Why not? Seems like a good idea to me. (Note: I'm not sure where all you were planning on putting the template, but I don't think it should go on the emails themselves, just on this page and the various specialty pages.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::No, that template won't go on to the emails themselves, just the information pages. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:34, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, it sounds useful, especially since there's nothing on those pages tying them together. I think you should go for it, at the very least so we can see it and make an informed decision. The worst that could happen would be that nobody likes it and it gets reverted, but the way you describe it, I think everyone will like it fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::::It looks like E.L. Cool went ahead and made a template, so I added it to the pages. I think the green was intended to match the Tandy, but maybe a different color would be better. What do you think? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Haha.. I didn't even read this post! I thought that I was on a roll with The Cheat Commandos template and Limozeen one that I just went ahead and made it. And yeah, the green is for the Tendy, but you can switch it if you like. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:20, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I went ahead and added [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:StrongBadEmailInfo&curid=12672&diff=0&oldid=159419 Strong Bad Email Statistics] to the template. After all, it was a featured article at one point and I noticed that the article no longer linked to [[Strong Bad Email]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 02:08, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi, nice one. Forgot about in. Chack out [[Talk:20X6]] for some debate if this taplate should stay of not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:42, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Spin-offs? ==

We mention a few spin-off toons and characters in the opening paragraph, but there's so many things on the site that Strong Bad emails created. Should we have a section on this page for stuff on the site that came from Strong Bad emails? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 03:28, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:That's a prooty good idea. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:47, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::So, um, where should I put it on here? I don't think it's worthy of it's own article, is it? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:42, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Do TBC change the names of the users who send emails? ==

[http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=575567&topic=23877070 Topic on GameFAQS]...

''From: zztman5 | Posted: 10/3/2005 10:17:42 AM | Message Detail | #004<br>
...<br>
''I sent that email. That exact same email, exact down to text and everything... with the exception of the name. They changed my name on it. What the ****.<br>
''what the crap/10''

''From: Alastor the Stylish | Posted: 10/3/2005 11:31:02 AM | Message Detail | #005<br>
''They always change the names on them. I thought everyone knew that <_<''

Zuh? Is this true? I've never heard this... If so, should it be remarked somewhere?

:What about [[montage]]? We ''know'' it was sent by a wiki user and TBC didn't change the name. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:47, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:I think it's real easy for someone to claim that on an off-topic forum. What kind of evidence does the original poster have, or for that matter the person who claims that "everyone" knows this? Every indication in commentaries and interviews that I've ever seen is that TBC leave an email exactly as-is, with the exception that they might trim it for length. Certainly most of the names and locations in the various emails are vague enough that TBC wouldn't need to change them, and I believe the [[Legal]] page gives them the right to use the submissions. Besides, where would the joke be if there was no real Dan and Linda, Monkeydude, Someone, or Anonymous Contributor? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:56, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, really. I think at least one of those guys is not being truthful. There's no proof to them, whereas the Brothers Chaps have always indicated that their emails are exactly the same, right down to the name (which, I suspect, may be one reason why they never use mine: coz they can't pronounce the name). There's a lot of proof towards what It's dot com said. Personally, I think it's just someone looking for attention. It's a lot easier to say they used your email and changed the name than it is to actually get your email answered. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== DVD Redirects ==

Seen as we already have a numerical redirect to all the Strong Bad Emails, does anyone else think that making capitalised DVD redirects would be a good idea for all emails this is possible with (that is, all emails from [[some kinda robot|Some Kinda Robot]] to [[do over|Do Over]], excluding [[homsar|Homsar]], [[pom pom|Pom Pom]], [[marzipan|Marzipan]] and possibly [[interview|Interview]]) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:38, 17 October 2005 (BST)
:I think it's already been done for a couple, namely [[Army]] and [[Impression]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
==Actual sbemail program?==
Would it be difficult to write an sbemail.exe program? I would like the "DELETED!" feature in my default mail client, but I also like the dos based look to it. What would be the best language to write it in? has it been done?

[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 15:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

:Erm, my guess is the best place to ask/check for that kind of stuff is the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page fan stuff wiki]. I'd suggest browsing through the different categories to see if it's not already been done, if not ask there! Let me know if you find anything. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

::Something like [[Wikipedia:Mutt (email client)|Mutt]] perhaps?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== A Possible Poll? ==
Is there a way someone could make a possible poll to vote on the best email ever, it would be very cool...

:Sorry, but this is a knowledge base. We aren't about polling people. Perhaps you could check out some of the polls in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum]?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==<nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki>==

[[Image:ClearEg1.PNG|thumb|Without]] [[Image:ClearEg2.PNG|thumb|With]] I noticed Dot Com reverted my edit, here's why I put the clear up. On larger browser windows, the picture overlaps the top of the list, looking kinda goofy. Although the clear does make the page somewhat larger. Does anybody else have any opinions about the clear setting? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 13:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Just out of curiosity, what resolution is this running at? Is it 640x480? Is the resolution shown in your pictures the resolution that you normally run your computer at? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm guessing 1280x1024, based on where the text wraps. The overlapping didn't happen for me at that resolution, but then I realised - if you hide the TOC it does. Does the change I just made suit everyone? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's very nice now, Phil. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Great, thanks. Yeah, I have a big monitor, and I also like keeping text small to reduce scrollage. Sometimes the big resolution creates special problems for me. Thanks for fixing this one though, philip. (Oh, and I hate TOCs, I never display them) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== Navigation template ==

So I decided to '''be bold''', but it appears I was a bit ''too'' bold. Anyway, check out the new navigation template at the top of emails [[some kinda robot|1]] through [[i rule|11]], and comment here. The rationale for this is that it's very handy to be able to flash through a sequential group of items without scrolling down to the bottom of the page every time. My goal was a consistent navigation that keeps the "next" link in (usually) the same place on each page, to minimize the need to move the mouse. This would be useful when browsing email by email, perhaps to see what characters and places make an appearance in each, or perhaps just to read each synopsis. Such a thing would be very useful to me right now, for example, as I am trying to compile a little list of the most "important" emails so my wife can read them in order and get a feeling for overall chronology without reading all 130+ emails. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 17:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Emails [[some kinda robot]] and [[portrait]] demonstrate the tweaked versions of the template for the first and last emails. Note that, for example, when email #140 gets released, [[portrait]] will have to be changed from the sbelast template to the sbe template, and the name and number for 140 will have to be added to it. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the ''presence'' of the template ===

I'm pretty neutral at this point, maybe a bit on the positive side. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm leaning further positive, the more I think about it. However, with emails that are disambiguated, would the navigation template remain at the top of the screen, or go one line down? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Go one line down. I don't think we want the '''Strong Bad email #X''' line to come before the disambiguation line. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::The only other thing I can think of about the format, is that going forward is easy to just click click click, but going backwards requires moving the mouse around a bit every email. Can't really think of an easy way to fix it though, unless you put forward on the right side of the screen, back on the left side of the screen, and some form of a main title or number in the middle of the screen. What do you think of that? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::As it is now, the template distracts a bit from the thumbnail image. My eye is expecting just an image to be there, clean and unobstructed, like we have in about 90-95% of our articles. See a few [[Special:Random|random articles]] to compare. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::What if the links were small and gray? As said: "It's more functional than aesthetic". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::That might help Tom's issue, but I wouldn't like the inconsistent formatting of hyperlinks. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: ''[edit conflict]'' The proximity to the image bothered me, too, but I accepted it as a compromise. Another possibility is to put the navigation inline; something like one of these, perhaps:
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< (#3) butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out (#5) >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<<(#3)]] | [[making out|(#5)>>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|<<previous]] | [[making out|next>>]])
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|#3]] | [[making out|#5]])
:::: But I ''think'' I find that more intrusive than where it is now, above the (optional) image. Anyway, the fourth or fifth one is probably the best; in this context I'd be looking for a minimal footprint. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::The 4th or 5th options could also take advantage of our [[sbemail3]]-type redirects, and we could then shorten the template to three simple variables. You could probably also manage a Greasemonkey script similar to [http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1015 this one] to work like that too, if we end up not going with the template at all. Though if we do go with this template, I think I'd rather have the names than just the numbers. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Here's what I would do: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=232217] I think that it is an appropriate position for the navigationand does not take away from other things on the page. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the ''presentation'' of the template ===

Perhaps a different color, to make it stand out better? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: I dunno ... it's more functional than aesthetic. In fact, I didn't want to draw a lot of attention to it, since this is the top of the page. Part of the reason I flush-righted it was for the "next-link in the same place" goal, but another part was to remove it from the main text stream of the beginning of the page. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:: While you should never place form over function, I would still argue that they're both important.
:: Instead of:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>[[some kinda robot|<< (#1) some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td>
</tr></table>

::How about something a little smaller and self-contained:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:10px;line-height:100%"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Fixing the width of the box on the right?
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #9'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[brianrietta|← [8] brianrietta]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[trevor the vampire|trevor the vampire [10] →]]</td>
</tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: I like where that is going (a lot, actually), with a few comments:
::::# Don't make the links too small; in my browser (with a medium text size), It's dot com's examples are pushing the limit of readability/aesthetics and Tom's examples have crossed it (the text is pixelpuky and the smallest arrows have turned into lines with a one-pixel "blip" on the top side). This might be a good reason to use << and >> instead of arrows.
::::# I wouldn't recommend fixing the width of the right-most box. You'll never be able to predict how wide it should be for all browser contexts without making it way too wide, and this really isn't necessary; the goal of "same x,y position" is most important for the "next" link (which will get far more use), and even with the size of the next link being variable, you can aim for sort of an "average middle" on the previous link and still not have to move your mouse very much. Click through the first 10 emails and you'll see what I mean. (And furthermore, since disambiguation lines introduce Y-axis variations, the whole "same x,y" goal will never be achieved 100%.)
::::# Let's replace the pipe symbol (|) with a cell border (although I'm sure my css below needs to be cleaned up!).
::::# Although I, too, began my templates without using number signs (#), I added them later because otherwise a number in parentheses looks more like a count than a designator, and I wanted consistency with the email # on the left-hand side of the same line.
::: So all that said, the following works really well for me:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< [#1] some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ [#3] >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or perhaps
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot (#1)]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or even just
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: I like this last version very much. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:12px">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:12px">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::: I also made one here of the simpler version but with arrows for comparison. I enlarged the arrows just a touch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Bill, out of curiosity, how much different is this version (from what you can see in your browser):
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::::from It's dot com's directly above?
::::::[[Image:SbeNavLayoutSnapshot.PNG|right|thumb|218px]] Here's a snapshot (at 100%). I still prefer the angle brackets, unless the arrows can be fixed up with a reasonable chance of looking good in various browsers at various resolutions. I'm using Firefox, 1280x1024, medium-ish text size, on both a laptop and a desktop, and the arrows look a bit clunky on both. However, I also realize I'm flirting with hypocrisy here, since the angle brackets look quite unsophisticated and I always advocate using the "real" version of a symbol (such as an em dash [—] instead of two hyphens [--]). Do we have escape sequences for solid triangles? Those might make for a good compromise. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 16:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and consider whether we would want to use the same trick for Teen Girl Squad, Marzipan's Answering Machine, and any other reasonably sequential series of pages. We might want a separate set of templates for those others, since the page layout is slightly different from a Strong Bad email, but I'd think we'd want the nav boxes to look consistent. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 16:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:Could it be done like this:

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>'''homsar'''</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

How's that look? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:I like it! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ationsong, I like your version the best, but what I like would be a full horizontal screen version of that, with the title in the middle, and then the forward and back buttons on the left and right. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Bill, here's how it looks for me:
[[Image:20050107_SbeNavLayoutSnapshot-tom.png|frame]]
{{clear}}
:::Another addition I'd like to get your opinion on is the following:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::I've been meaing to fix the transparancy of that image, but other than that, what do you think? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::: Honestly? I didn't know what it was for at first. Initially I thought "watch" meant "add it to my watch list." I guess I'm fairly focused on what I thought the navigation should do, and this seems like an "add-on" that doesn't need to be there. This nav system is all about rapid movement from one email to an adjacent email; dropping out to watch one of them doesn't need to be part of the "quickness" factor (for that I can easily hit the End key and click the normal watch link). {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Easily fixed by the suggestion below:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::::::Better? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Note: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AMonobook.css&diff=232472&oldid=229416 Fixed transparancy]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about "watch email" or somesuch that indicates what you're about to watch? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I think either "watch homsar" or "watch email" would work. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Even though people like my other idea, I had another one, and figured that there's no harm in posting it. It looks like this:

<br style="clear:both" />
{| id="navbox" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em; padding: 0.2em"
! style="background:#ccccff" width="100%" | [[Strong Bad Email]]s
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" | [[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" style="font-size: smaller;" |
[[some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ]] | [[homestar hair]] | [[making out]] | [[depressio]] | [[halloweener]] | [[brianrietta]] | [[i love you]] | [[trevor the vampire]] | [[i rule]] | [[credit card]] | [[i she be]] | [[duck pond]] | [[the basics]] | [[band names]] | [[studying]] | [[stand-up]] | [[tape-leg]] | [[spring cleaning]] | [[cartoon]] | [[sb_email 22]] | [[little animal]] | [[the bird]] | [[super powers]] | [[CGNU]] | [[3 Wishes]] | [[1 step ahead]] | [[superhero name]] | [[12:00]] | [[sugarbob]] | [[flag day]] | [[gimmicks]] | [[weird dream]] | [[sisters]] | [[guitar]] | [[dullard]] | [[helium]] | [[property of ones]] | [[vacation]] | [[invisibility]] | [[action figure]] | [[little questions]] | [[lures & jigs]] | [[techno]] | [[your friends]] | [[new hands]] | [[ghosts]] | [[theme party]] | [[50 emails]] | [[website]] | [[island]] | [[comic]] | [[morning routine]] | [[cheat talk]] | [[current status]] | [[japanese cartoon]] | [[dragon]] | [[marzipan]] | [[huttah!]] | [[monster truck]] | [[interview]] | [[fingers]] | [[english paper]] | [[unused emails]] | [[the show]] | [[autobiography]] | [[caper]] | [[personal favorites]] | [[big white face]] | [[2 emails]] | [[crazy cartoon]] | [[mascot]] | [[privileges]] | [[funny]] | [[sibbie]] | [[suntan]] | [[anything]] | [[the process]] | [[stunt double]] | [[date]] | [[impression]] | [[labor day]] | [[kids' book]] | [[2 years]] | [[no loafing]] | [[mile]] | [[couch patch]] | [[local news]] | [[colonization]] | [[caffeine]] | [[kind of cool]] | [[army]] | [[video games]] | [[the bet]] | [[lackey]] | [[monument]] | [[stupid stuff]] | [[different town]] | [[flashback]] | [[car]] | [[lunch special]] | [[haircut]] | [[theme park]] | [[replacement]] | [[dangeresque 3]] | [[cheatday]] | [[pom pom]] | [[crying]] | [[for kids]] | [[other days]] | [[old comics]] | [[pizzaz]] | [[the facts]] | [[time capsule]] | [[extra plug]] | [[montage]] | [[virus]] | [[animal]] | [[radio]] | [[part-time job]] | [[dreamail]] | [[origins]] | [[secret recipes]] | [[rock opera]] | [[best thing]] | [[long pants]] | [[rampage]] | [[garage sale]] | [[do over]] | [[boring (really)]] | [[modeling]] | [[bottom 10]] | [[record book]] | [[lady...ing]] | [[geddup noise]] | [[bedtime story]] | [[space program]] | [[portrait]]
|}

:::::::This integrates the "email navigation" template with the "strong bad email" template found at the bottom of every page. It still needs a little formatting work, but I think this solves the problem of where to put it so that it does not get in the way of other elements on the page. What does everybody think? -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 15:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::A good idea, but the whole point of the nav buttons was to avoid scrolling to the main template. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science! Er, I mean, "Exactly!" {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::And once you get to the big nav template, it's really not that hard to locate your place in the list (since it's a different color and bold) and just click on the next or previous email. (I fixed the template above to illustrate this.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science!, again. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I am going to implement Tom's most recent design (the one that reads "watch homsar") so that we can see whether we're close or whether we need to go back to the drawing board. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, I switched them on [[homsar]] and [[butt IQ]]. How do they look? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:: It's just not clicking for me, for several reasons:
::# Too disparate; what does watching the toon have to do with previous/next navigation?
::# Too redundant; the watch/view links at the bottom of the page are only and End-button away, and offer more options. (The prev/next links are at the top to reduce scrolling, but this is a non-issue for a low-repetetivity action like watching a toon.)
::# Too inconsistent; it makes me feel like we would need a little "watch" box at the top of ''every'' page that represents a toon. (Why would there be a watch box for [[butt IQ]] but not for [[Experimental Film]]?)
::# Too imposing; the box is starting to take over the top of the page. Look how big it would get on [[different town]]:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #99'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[stupid stuff|<span style="font-size:small">←</span> stupid stuff]]</td>
<td>[[HR:different town|watch '''different town''']]</td>
<td>[[flashback|flashback <span style="font-size:small">→</span>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:: So, I advocate keeping this template slim, unimposing, and focused on its task.
:: {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, maybe we ''should'' have a small watch button at the top of all toons. That's often the reason I go to the pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

=== new thought ===

If I could wish any wish this holiday season, first would be the crap about the kids*, but second would be this: The ability to define an article as part of a named series. All such articles would be numbered to define the sequence within the series, and when displayed, would automatically get "previous" and "next" links in the toolbox, or above or to the right of the title, or someplace like that. Being a software developer, maybe I should look into what it would take to write a wiki extension that does something along these lines. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Adapted from "A Holiday Wish" [http://jdmbablog.blogspot.com/2004/12/holiday-wish-by-steve-martin.html] by Steve Martin on ''Saturday Night Live''.
::I think that sketch is hilarious and wish I could see it again. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== genericity of the navigation ===

Some more examples to chew upon:

<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0</div>
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr valign=top>
<td>The King of Town unsuccessfully tries to deliver an invitation, Pom Pom talks crazy talk, and Detective Everybody reports that Homestar Runner is dead.</td>
<td> </td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|<< Version 1.0]]</td><td>[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0|Version 3.0 >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
[[Image:MarzipanAnsweringMachineV2.png|thumb|180px|right|Good for screening calls]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Marzipan]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Homestar Runner]]

. . .
<br clear=all>
<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Teen Girl Squad Issue 8</div>
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr valign=top>
<td>The girls join the Battle of the Bands.</td>
<td> </td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|<< Issue 7]]</td><td>[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9 >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
[[Image:Kissy Boots.PNG|200px|thumb|Kissy Boots in action.]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], [[What's Her Face]], [[The Ugly One]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Intercom|Intercom]], [[Tompkins]], [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Floor Tom|Floor Tom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fatty|Fatty]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|A Shark]], [[Strong Bad]] (Easter egg)

. . .
<br clear=all>
There may be some other series that could benefit from this, too; these just seemed like the most obvious. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 15:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== new menu ==

When the new rap came out, the email [[geddup noise]] is new again, and the emails newer than that aren't there.
--{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 20:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
: Even odder: I'm trying to load it, and NO emails are listed, and the "random.bat" button leads to [[HR:undefined|this]] (404'd) page (that is, "undefined", without even so much as a ".html".) [[highschool]] works fine though... when linked from the [[Main Pages]] or externally. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::Most works for me... The only glitchy thing is random.bat. It works fine; it just doesn't scroll. I mean, you click it and the screen stays in place, instead of following the cursor. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I get Jay's error. Very strange {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}}
:::Me too. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup>

User talk:Sahm

2006-01-10T03:19:34Z

Sahm: /* Haldo */

Is it possible you've never been welcomed? You obviously know how to do stuff and where to find help by now, but... as a belated token, Welcome! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks! Yeah, I'm not a big contributor here anyway. Don't worry, I have read the guidelines and what not. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 07:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Sahm. Can I borrow that Babel box thing?? Or, could I put it on my user page? [[User:Homfrog|Homfrog]] 22:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:Sure! Click the Interwiki link at the top to see more types of them. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

About the spam, [[Talk:Main_Page#NSMC_is_at_it_again|click here]] to see the ongoing discussion about it. You're not the only one who got it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== Haldo ==
Thought that I'd drop by and say hello.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 21:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hi! Glad to see that this wiki is such a friendly environment! - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
::It is? Oh, wait...--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 23:02, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Haldo, Sahm. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 21:06, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
:Haldo, LePorello. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 03:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

== good luck ==
:Saw on your stress thing that you're pretty stressed. Hope things turn out better for you! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, that has been there for 2 days too long! It is the holidays now so I have no more work to do! Happy Fireworks! - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Nikolce Kocovski

2005-12-12T08:21:56Z

Sahm: Formatting Tip

==Welcome!==
Hey there, Nikolce! Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki!

''Here are some links to help you out:''

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Above all, be sure to '''be bold''' and have fun! Feel free to ask me if I can be of any assistance to you. And feel free to remove this message when you've checked out those links. Well, I'm sure I'll see ya round the wiki! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:44, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Talk pages==
Normally, I like to keep talk threads in one place. But this time I'll leave a note here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:11, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Macedonia ==

Hey there, Nikolce, when you say you're Macedonian, does that mean you're from the Republic of Macedonia? Or are you from one of the regions in other countries called Macedonia? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 01:02, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== An electronic message! ==

Greetings, Sir Kocovsky! '''Stop'''

It is I, '''Sir Strong Bad!''' '''Stop'''

I bid you greetings from the year 1938! '''Stop'''

I hope to make acquaintances with you. '''Stop'''

Dapperly yours,

[[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]

== Electronic information regarding me! ==

I bid you thanks, regarding the electronic reply you've sent me. '''Stop'''

My real name? I assumed one would find it abundantly obvious to discover my real name, as it is the name I am reffered to as on the Wiki, '''Sir Strong Bad!''' '''Stop'''

I discovered you by stumbling upon your name on the "recent changes" electronic page. '''Stop'''

And yes, I am acquaintances with each of the kind fellows that were referenced on my electronic talk page. I find each of them abunduntly kind and gracious! '''Stop'''

I am particularly happy to make your acquaintance as well! '''Stop'''

With regards,

[[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]
==awsome name!==
:just wanted to say, your name rules. I now know two Nikolce's. (A friend in Sweden is named that). {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Answering time!

1. Erik.
2. USA, although I used to live in Sweden.
3. Since around March or April 2005.
4. I know every single one.

Thanks, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

==RE: Question==
Hi there Nikolce, I'm doin pretty good, thanks for asking. I recently discovered the magic of Macromedia Flash, which has kept me busy for a couple of hours. Anyways, here are those answers:

:1. I know wikipedia, my user name is the same as this one. However, I don't tend to use it much.

:2. Favorite character is definately Homsar.

:3. Favorite toon... thats hard. Maybe [[Cool Things]], or [[The Interview]].

:{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

==Electronic Thanks!==

'''Things are going just smoothly down here in the olden eras. How is it going for you? Swimmingly, I hope. Yes, I do know the fellow Sir Bubsty! He is quite a swell person. My favorite toon be "That a Ghost". I reside in Free Country USA in the year 1938! And although my doppleganger says "holy crap", I prefer to say "holy soup bonds!".'''

'''And as a reward for your gestures, you have earned a spot in my electronic Honorary Members section! Hurray for you!'''

'''Dapperly yours,'''

{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}

== Greetings from Graceland! ==
Hey guys. I'm [[User:Elvis|Elvis]]. Just got to say Nikolice, you've got yourself a pretty cool name. I just saw it when I was looking at one of your comments and I said to myself, "I've got to say something to this guy." Feel free to drop on by my page. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 00:57, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey Nikolce, sorry for spelling your name wrong the first time.
[[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 18:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

== {{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}''''s Bottom 10''' ==

{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}''''s''' '''Bottom 10 is as follows...'''

'''10. This is a simple one. Dry garment contests. Blast! What a waste of H20!'''

'''9. That horrible painting in The Strong Man's living quarters that's been there since were tykes.'''

'''8. Telegramoparcels with more than 1 fwd: or re: in the subject line. Curses! I can't even open the cursed things!'''

'''7. Miniaturized versions of already bite-sized food. Such as Fluffy Puff Air-Puffed Sugar Nibblins.'''

'''6. The foul stench of wet The Sneak'''

'''5. Um... Let's see here...not... pigeons... They consume bread crumbs.'''

'''4. Oh yes! There was this one time that I had to engage in the hugging of a tree. Curses!'''

'''3. Giving parsnip-themed desserts dangerous names.'''

'''2. Songs that try to pass off "Doo wacka doo wacka doos" as legit lyrics.'''

'''And number one on''' {{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}''''s''' '''Bottom 10 is...'''

'''1.''' '''BUFFOONS!'''

==thermomitor (how do you spell that?==
:Thanks for asking Nikolce. Yeah, I have a lot of homework. Any ways, to get those thermomitors...
:<nowiki>[[Image:Wikistress3D 1 v3.jpg|thumb|right|150px|YOUR CAPTION HERE]]</nowiki> will get you the "Just fine" level.
:<nowiki>[[Image:Wikistress3D 2 v3.jpg|thumb|right|150px|YOUR CAPTION HERE]]</nowiki> will get you the "A bit tense" level.
:<nowiki>[[Image:Wikistress3D 3 v3.jpg|thumb|right|150px|YOUR CAPTION HERE]]</nowiki> will get you the "Very stressed" level.
:<nowiki>[[Image:Wikistress3D 4 v3.jpg|thumb|right|150px|YOUR CAPTION HERE]]</nowiki> will get you the "I quit" level.
:<nowiki>[[Image:Wikistress3D 5 v3.jpg|thumb|right|150px|YOUR CAPTION HERE]]</nowiki> will get you the "Run for cover" level.
::All you have to do is post that excact code onto whatever page you want your theromitor to be on (probably your user page).
:::Hope that helps! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== An electronic misunderstanding! ==

Oh dear! Sir Kocovskiworth, I was not upset with you in the least! '''Stop'''

I just took a break from the electronic Wiki page for a while. '''Stop'''

Trust me, you are in no way one of the buffoons listed as number one in {{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}''''s Bottom Ten'''. '''Stop'''

My apologies for any misundersandings. '''Stop'''

Apologetically yours,

{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}

== An electronic hello! ==

Greetings Sir Kocovskiworth! '''Stop'''

How are you doing this blustery day? '''Stop'''

Are your television progrums over yet? '''Stop'''

Speak to me at any time,

{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}}

On an unrelated topic, I am updating my '''Honorary Gang Members''' electronic page and I need the following information. What rank would you consider yourself in my gang? For example, I am the '''"Brains"'''. The Sneak is '''"The Thief"'''. And The Strong Man is '''"The Brawn"'''. (And you can't use any of those ranks). Please respond on my electronic talk page.

==Another electronic hello!==
:Hi there Nikolce. How you been? Anyways...
Answers:

:1. Not much, just being glad my humungo math tests is over.
:2. I've heard of Elvis, but not talked to him. I hope to learn more about him though. He seems cool.
:3. bullying, not really. I'm a pretty nerdy guy, (yes, i admit it), but never so bad as to be bullied. Mostly, I prevent it from happening to others.

::See ya, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hola ==

Just thought that I'd drop by and say hello.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 20:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Hey man, watch your typing! I made a correction. {{User:The 386/sig}} 21:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops. I am ashamed.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 21:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:I wouldn't stress spelling mistakes to much 386. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

How ironic. You spelled "too" wrong.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

==hi==
:Hi Nikolce. I'm doin rrl rrl well! So... guestbooks are just for me to know who's seen my user page. To sign it, find the next avaliable space, then put <nowiki>#~~~~ or #~~~</nowiki>.
2. I like books, (especially Harry Potter; coolest thing ever), Macromedia Flash, and a bunch of other things.
::See ya, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Formatting Tip ==

While I was looking at your user page, I noticed you might not have come across this little tip: If you have a link to a user page like this: [[User:Sahm]], and you are using it in a sentence (such as: My favourite user is [[User:Sahm]]), you can get rid of the word 'User:' by just adding a '''|''' before the two brackets. Like this <nowiki>[[User:Sahm|]]</nowiki>, and it will come out like this: [[User:Sahm|Sahm]]. Have a nice day, - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:21, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Sahm

2005-12-12T08:13:00Z

Sahm: replied

Is it possible you've never been welcomed? You obviously know how to do stuff and where to find help by now, but... as a belated token, Welcome! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks! Yeah, I'm not a big contributor here anyway. Don't worry, I have read the guidelines and what not. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 07:25, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Sahm. Can I borrow that Babel box thing?? Or, could I put it on my user page? [[User:Homfrog|Homfrog]] 22:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:Sure! Click the Interwiki link at the top to see more types of them. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

About the spam, [[Talk:Main_Page#NSMC_is_at_it_again|click here]] to see the ongoing discussion about it. You're not the only one who got it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== Haldo ==
Thought that I'd drop by and say hello.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 21:21, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hi! Glad to see that this wiki is such a friendly environment! - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
== good luck ==
:Saw on your stress thing that you're pretty stressed. Hope things turn out better for you! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, that has been there for 2 days too long! It is the holidays now so I have no more work to do! Happy Fireworks! - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 08:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Sahm

2005-12-12T08:10:08Z

Sahm: HOLIDAYS!!!

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a> sahms_userpage.exe
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<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
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<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
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<div><s>Cont</s><font color=#ff1111>rib</font><s>ution</s><font color=red>s</font></div>
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
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<div>Merchandice</div>
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
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#<sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]
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#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 14:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
#-[[User:Salty|Salty]] 07:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC) ZOMG I am a native speaker of Cheatease too!!!!
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}} S1nged! Or however you say that!
#— {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
#--{{User:djm1791/sig2}} 05:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
#--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 21:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)Hey!
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Meh!
#{{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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Secret Pages

2005-12-02T06:12:31Z

Sahm: /* Unsorted */ added picture

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A secret page is a page from the Homestar Runner website that is either not linked to from anywhere or has been removed from the site altogether.

Note that sometimes some of the pages don't work. Just try again at a later date.

== Toons ==
These are [[Toons]] or toon-like animations that are not advertised from the site. Some of them are incomplete.

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| [[Image:mm ls.png|100px]] || '''[[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]''' || [[Strong Bad]] and [[Strong Mad]] steal the star from [[Homestar Runner]]'s shirt in order to force Homestar and [[Pom Pom]] to participate in a tag team wrestling match. This cartoon, which is the first ever full-length Homestar Runner toon made, has been removed from the site for unknown reasons. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/marshmallow2.html Watch "Marshmallow's Last Stand"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/marshmallow2.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
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| [[Image:jumpingjackcontest.png|100px]] || '''[[A Jumping Jack Contest]]''' || Strong Bad, [[Strong Sad]], Homestar Runner, Pom Pom, and [[Bubs]] enter a jumping jack contest. The person who continually jumps jacks for the longest wins. Strong Bad cheats, of course. Based loosely on the Homestar Runner book, it has since been taken off the site for unknown reasons. You can play a [[Strong Libs|Strong Lib]] while you wait. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/jumpinjacks2.html Watch "A Jumping Jack Contest"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/jumpinjacks2.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
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| [[Image:If I Ran the Camera.PNG|100px]] || '''[[If I Ran the Camera]]''' || A poem of unknown origin relating nothing to any other part of the site. It was on the site for a short period of time but soon taken down one [[The Brothers Chaps]] realized that fans had found it. It features a little girl named Astrid Renee and [[Don and Harriet Chapman|Grandpa Chapman]]. || [http://www.hrwiki.org/mirror/ifiranthecamera.html Watch "If I Ran the Camera"] (mirror)<br />[http://www.hrwiki.org/mirror/ifiranthecamera.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:twinkie.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Where the Crap Are We?]]''' || An animation with Homestar and Strong Bad found in an [[Easter eggs|Easter egg]] in [http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ Macromedia Central]. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/egg.html Watch "Where the Crap are We?"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/egg.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
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| [[Image:Yellodellowdeleted.png|100px]] || '''[[In Search of the Yello Dello Deleted Scenes#Secret Deleted Scene|Secret Yello Dello Deleted Scene]]''' || This is the scene from the [[In Search of the Yello Dello]] DVD where Strong Bad is talking with Marzipan, but with some odd commentary tacked on the front. || [[HR:dellocut_2.html|Watch the secret deleted scene]]<br />[[HR:dellocut_2.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Happy T.png|100px]] || '''[[Happy T]]''' || A sign which says "Happy T." You can click on some of the letters to hear characters say stuff relating to the title. It features an Easter egg with Homsar, accessed by clicking on a small spot on the lower right hand corner of the screen. || [[HR:happyt.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:sbemail100.png|100px]] || '''[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]''' || Never purposefully linked to at any time, this secret page was actually designed to be discovered by people trying to find the [[flashback|100th]] [[Strong Bad Email]] before it was released. || [[HR:sbemail100.html|View "Not the 100th Email"]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail100.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:strongbadwithnomouthfromthesingalong.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Sing Along]]''' || A weird, unfinished sing-along with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]]. || [[HR:singalong.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Needlepoint.png|100px]] || '''Needle Point''' || A seemingly unfinished small cartoon of Homestar and Strong Bad on a sewn picture, possibly a reference to the one scene in [[property of ones]]. It picture features Strong Bad standing in [[The Field]]. Homestar Runner walks up in the right, stops next to Strong Bad and opens his mouth. The text "Get Rid of a Few Things!" appears below. || [[HR:needlepoint.html|View "Needlepoint"]]<br />[[HR:needlepoint.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Secret Answering Machine.PNG|100px]] || '''Marzipan's Answering Machine''' || This is just [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1]], possibly before more versions were planned. It has a few minor differences from the current version. The font is a little different for both the number and the back link, it doesn't have the archive menu, and it goes to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|Games Menu]] when you click ''BACK''. || [[HR:answer.html|Watch "Marzipan's Answering Machine"]]<br />[[HR:answer.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:KoT's Mouth.PNG|100px]] || '''[[The King of Town DVD Commentary#Secret Commentary|The King of Town DVD Secret Commentary]]''' || This is a secret version of [[The King of Town DVD Commentary|Strong Bad's Commentary]] for the [[The King of Town DVD]] without any visuals. It is identical to the normal version except for the end, where it explains why Strong Bad did the commentary. || [[HR:sb_kingcomment.swf|View the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:sbemail46.PNG|100px]] || '''Old "[[your friends]]"''' || This is an alternate version of the email [[your friends]]. On it: Strong Bad's mouth isn't visible in the reflection when he sings the email intro. The announcer on the TV [[Strong Mad]] is watching doesn't say "Some type of TV show." The background music stops at [[Strong Sad]]'s scene. Some extra buzz saw blades and a bottle of hot sauce behind Strong Bad are gone in [[Marzipan]]'s scene. The Cheat doesn't yell at Strong Bad, and Pom Pom does one less turn. Strong Bad isn't holding a bottle of hot sauce in [[Homsar]]'s scene. At the end, Strong Bad says the word "fans" a little differently.
|| [[HR:sbemail46.swf|View the Flash file]]
|}

== Games ==
Old games that are no longer linked to from the site.

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== Menus ==
Various old menus for Toons, Games and the like that are no longer actively used on the site.

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== Other Animations ==
Other secret animated things that do not fit in the above categories.

== Downloads ==
Old downloads.

== Music ==
Audio files that aren't used on the site.

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| '''[[The Cheat]] is Not Dead''' || A sample of "[[The Cheat is Not Dead]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also found by clicking on '''CD''' on the [[Sticky Notes|post-it note]] from the "Working on my CD" email menu. || [[HR:cheatnotdead.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html View the "Working on my CD" email menu] (mirror)
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| '''Because It's Midnite''' || A sample of "[[Because It's Midnite]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also found by clicking on '''SB''' on the post-it from the "Working on my CD" email menu. || [[HR:midnight.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html View the "Working on my CD" email menu] (mirror)
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| '''MLS Music''' || This is the music from the old cartoon [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. It is a loop from the beginning of Beck's ''[[Wikipedia:Tropicalismo|Tropicalia]]''. || [[HR:music.swf|Listen to the song]]
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| '''Oh Yeah Yeah''' || [[Marzipan]]'s song from the email [[marzipan]]. || [[HR:ohyeahyeah.mp3|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail59.html|View the email that it comes from]]
|-
| '''Renegade Master''' || A sample from the [[Wikipedia:Fatboy Slim|Fatboy Slim]] remix of Wildchild's ''Renegade Master'' that was used for the "Characters" button on [[Main Page 4]] for a while, before being removed to avoid copyright issues. || [[HR:renegade.swf|Listen to the song]]
|-
| '''Fluffy Puff Marshmallows Jingle''' || The [[Fluffy Puff Marshmallows]] jingle from [[Meet Marshie]]. || [[HR:fluffypuff.mp3|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:marshie.html|View the toon that it comes from]]
|-
| '''Poop Smoke''' || A remix including [[Poot Slap]] and [[Wikipedia:Deep Purple|Deep Purple]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Smoke on the Water|Smoke on the Water]]''. || [[HR:poopsmoke.zip|Download the song]]
|-
| '''Welcome to Your Doom!''' || This sound clip plays when you visit [[Strong Bad's Website]]. This clip introduced the boss battles in '''[[Wikipedia:Altered Beast|Altered Beast]]''' for the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]]. || [[HR:sbsite/welcome.mp3|Listen to the sound clip]]<br/>[[HR:sbsite/|View Strong Bad's Website]]
|-
| '''Everybody''' || A constant loop of the ''"Everybody!"'' song used in the [[Intro|intro]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. Sometimes the file is [[404'd]]. || [[HR:breakbeat|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:intro.html|View the intro that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Techno''' || A sample loop from the email [[techno]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. This loop is also used in [[Main Page 4]]. || [[HR:money.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail45.html|View the email that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Banjo''' || A music sample from an easter egg in the email [[little questions]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. || [[HR:banjo.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail43.html|View the email that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Drum N' Bass''' || A loop from [[Everybody to the Limit]]; also used in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. || [[HR:drumnbass.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:fhqwhgads.html|View the toon that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|}

== Images ==
Simple images (not in Flash) that are not linked to on the site.
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| [[Image:Wallpapers.png|100px]] || '''Wallpapers''' || The wallpaper download page. || [[HR:wallpapers.html|Wallpapers]]
|-

| [[Image:Calibos.gif|75px]] || '''Calibos''' || An image of Calibos. Probable reference material for Strong Sad in [[different town]]. || [[HR:calibos.gif|Calibos]]
|-

| [[Image:Dennises.gif|75px]] || '''Dennis''' || An animated GIF of various actors named Dennis. The cycle of Dennises is [[Wikipedia:Dennis Hopper|Hopper]], [[Wikipedia:Denis Leary|Leary]], [[Wikipedia:Dennis Quaid|Quaid]], and [[Wikipedia:Dennis Franz|Franz]]. || [[HR:dennises.gif|Dennis]]
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| [[Image:Franzer.gif|75px]] || '''Dennis Franz''' || An animated GIF with various images of Dennis Franz. || [[HR:franzer.gif|Dennis Franz]]
|-

| [[Image:Joker.jpg|75px]] || '''Joker''' || A photo of Cesar Romero as the Joker. Probable reference material for Strong Bad in [[Halloween Fairstival]]. || [[HR:joker.jpg|Joker]]
|-

| [[Image:Polaris.gif|75px]] || '''Happily Derranged''' || Cover of the promotional cassette "Happily Deranged", containing 3 songs from the mid '90s Nickelodeon show "[[Wikipedia:The Adventures of Pete and Pete|The Adventures of Pete & Pete]]." A larger version of the image is found [http://members.tripod.com/~maytg_jedi/pp/pic/front.jpg here].|| [[HR:polaris.gif|Happily Derranged]]
|-

| [[Image:Coolbot.gif|100px]] || '''Coolbot''' || Appears to be a line drawing of the [[Visor Robot]]. Used on "The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM" banner. || [[HR:coolbot.gif|Coolbot]]
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| [[Image:Cooltitle.gif|100px]]|| '''Cooltitle''' || A banner reading "THE COOLEST STUFF EVER". Used on "The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM" banner. || [[HR:cooltitle.gif|Cooltitle]]
|-
|}

== Miscellaneous ==
Secret pages that lack a more specific category.

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== Site Components ==
Parts of the website that normally aren't accessed on its own.
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| || '''Weeklies XML File''' || An XML page controlling the text of the weekly things. The source says:
<pre><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<sketchbook>alternate sb float</sketchbook>
<fanstuff>sweet sterrance bag</fanstuff>
<qod character="homsar"
filename="homsar_pennzoil.mp3">
Let's sing a song of Pennzoil!</qod>

</pre>
| [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|Weeklies XML]]
|-

| || '''50 cake''' || The Easter egg that was used in the email [[big white face]], click on it for all sorts of crazy crap. || [[HR:cake.swf|50 cake]]
|-

| [[Image:404.PNG|100px]] || '''[[404'd]]''' || The error message that appears when you go to something on H*R.com that doesn't exist. || [[HR:404error.html|See 404 Error Page]]
|-

| || '''News''' || The news button that is integrated in every [[Main Pages|main page]]. || [[HR:newbutton.swf|News]]
|-

| [[Image:main1.png|100px]] || '''Homepages''' || The homepages list that is integrated in every main page except Main Page 23. || [[HR:homepages.swf|Homepages]]
|-

| [[Image:main_page_23.PNG|100px]] || '''Homepage 23''' || The homepage list that is integrated in [[Main Page 23]]. || [[HR:homepages_23.swf|Homepage 23]]
|-

| || '''Making Out''' || The "Click on the Monkey!!!" pop-up that was in the Strong Bad Email [[virus]]. Also view the [[HR:hsmakeout.swf|flash file]] || [[HR:hsmakeout.html|Making Out]]
|-

| || '''Seriously!''' || An Easter egg from [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], accessed by clicking on the candy corn light in the top right corner in the cast list at the end. Click [[HR:tennis.swf|here]] for the flash file. || [[HR:tennis.html|Seriously!]]
|-

| || '''MORE TO COME!''' || The page with the AIM buddy icons on it. || [[HR:aim.html|MORE TO COME!]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd QoD''' || What happens when you click on the 'Q' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. Notice that when you roll over the 'Don't tape it!' text it turns into 'Don't take it!' || [[HR:qod_virus.swf|Virus'd QoD]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd Fanstuff''' || What happens when you click on the 'F' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. || [[HR:fanstuff_virus.swf|Virus'd Fanstuff]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd Sketchbook''' || What happens when you click on the 'S' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. || [[HR:sketchbook_virus.swf|Virus'd Sketchbook]]
|-

| || '''Strong Bad's "Time Machine" download''' || The Strong Bad clock. || [[HR:clock7x.swf|Strong Bad's "Time Machine" download]]
|-

| || '''The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes buddy icons download page''' || From an Easter egg in [[crazy cartoon]]. || [[HR:sccicons.html|The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes buddy icons download page]]
|-

| || '''NavBar''' || The bottom menu (main, toons, games etc.) that appears on almost every page underneath the toon. || [[HR:main nav.swf|NavBar]]
|-

| || '''Random Toon''' || The [[Random Toon]] chooser that comes up when you click the R on the main page. || [[HR:rando.swf|Random Toon]]
|-

| || '''Random Toon XML''' || The list of toons that the above chooses from. || [[HR:rando.xml|Random Toon XML]]
|-

| || '''Icon''' || A Homestar Runner icon. In some browsers, this is used as a bookmark icon. In other browsers it is displayed in the location/address bar when a user visits any page on homestarrunner.com. || [[HR:favicon.ico|Icon]]
|-
| || '''[[HR:answermenu.swf|Answering Machines]]''' || The archive menu in the bottom right of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]. ||
|}

== Unsorted ==
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| [[Image:costumecommentary.png|100px]] || '''Fan Costumes''' || A collection of fan submitted Halloween stuff. The original version of [[Fan Costume Commentary]]. For some reason, the link is embedded in the source of the [[Homsar Main Page]]. The page title is "Check out my new [[Wikipedia:cosplay|cosplay]]!", which is [[Stinkoman]]'s line in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]. || [[HR:costumes01.html|Watch "Fan Costumes"]]<br />[[HR:costumes01.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:games menu 2001.png|100px]] || '''[[Third Games Menu]]''' || One of the old game menus. || [[HR:games.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Boredbottons.PNG|100px]] || '''Bored Buttons''' || An old navigation bar in the style of [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]]. ||[[HR:boredbuttons.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Newer Telebision Toons Menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Telebision Toons Menu]]''' || An old [[Toons]] menu, see its page for details. An earlier version exists without sound, a ''back'' button, descriptions and [[A Jumping Jack Contest]]. || [[HR:newtoons.html|View the Telebision Menu]]<br />[[HR:newtoons2.swf|View the Flash file]]<br />[[HR:newtoons.swf|View the Flash file of the earlier version]]
|-
| [[Image:Chinese Food Toons Menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Chinese Food Toons Menu]]''' || An old [[Toons]] menu, possibly related to the [[Fortune Cookies|fortune cookies game]]. || [[HR:chinesefood.html|View the Chinese Menu]]<br />[[HR:chinesefood.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:hr3.png|100px]]</center> || '''Old MLS Loading Screen''' || An old loading screen featuring an old-style [[Homestar Runner]] tapping his foot. The animation is taken from the toon [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]] and a few other old toons from that time period. Also seen in the parodying email [[lady...ing]]. || [[HR:loading.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
|[[Image:tandy paper menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Broken Tandy Menu]]''' || An old [[Strong Bad Email]] menu that only goes up to [[gimmicks]]. It was used as a replacement for the [[Tandy 400]] when it exploded. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_paper.html View the Broken Tandy Menu] (mirror)<br />[[HR:sbemailx.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
|[[Image:Vacation SBEmail Menu.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Bad Email Vacation Menu''' || An old [[Strong Bad Email]] menu that was presumably used during the email [[vacation]]. Click on the post-it note to hear it say "Hey!" then "Dorks!" then "Get offa me!" and finally "You stink!" || [[HR:sbemail(vacation).swf|View the Flash file]]
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|[[Image:Old HR Loading Screen.PNG|100px]] || '''Old H*R Loading Screen''' || An old loading screen featuring some of [[Homestar Runner]]'s outline and then the text ''H*R''. || [[HR:hstarr.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:lavalamptoons.png|100px]] || '''[[Lava Lamp Toons Menu]]''' || Old toons menu with a lava lamp as a back button. The remote was used in the museum, but with only 1 button. || [[HR:toonsold.swf|view the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Yearbook page.png|100px]] || '''[[Yearbook Character Page]]''' || Old characters page. It was believed to be made sometime after the toon "The Luau". Homsar is not included in the lineup because he was not considered a character back then. || [[HR:yearbook.html|view the Yearbook menu]]<br>[[HR:yearbook.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:decemberween emails.png|100px]] || '''[[Decemberween Email Menu]]''' || This was the "no new email notice" used during the holidays in 2002. || [[HR:sbemailxmas.html|Visit the Decemberween Email Menu]]<br>[[HR:sbemailxmas.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Main6x.PNG|100px]] || '''Old [[Main Page 6]]''' || This is an uncompleted main page from back in 2000. The "new cartoon!" link goes to [[A Jorb Well Done]], the "another homepage" goes to [[Main Page 10]], the "more messages" link goes to [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2]], and the "new toons menu" link goes to the current toons menu. Also, the buttons on the left don't work exactly right. Also note that email is above downloads, instead of below store. Also, Homestar's mouth will move when you mouse over downloads and store, but he won't say anything. Only downloads actually works. The other buttons won't do anything. || [[HR:main6x.swf|view the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Jarules.PNG|100px]] || '''Message Bored Rules''' || They appear to be the rules from the Strong Bad Message Bored. || [[HR:rules.html|view the rules page]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Strong Bad Error.png|100px]]</center> || '''[[Strong Bad 404 Error Page]]''' || The error page that was used before [[404'd]]. If you look closely on the mailbox before the letters appear on the [[Email]] page, you can see [[HR:sberror.jpg|that Strong Bad face]] from the old error page. || [[HR:errorpage.html|view the error page]]
|-
| [[Image:ev ev.PNG|100px]] || [[Intro 2]] || Actually the third Intro made between [[Old Intro|the first]], [[Old Intro 2|second]], and [[Intro|fourth intros]] || [[HR:intro2.html|watch "Intro 2"]]<br>[[HR:intro2.swf|view the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:Wanted.PNG|100px]] || '''Wanted''' || This wanted poster was accessible from the "What's New" button a few days before [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]. It reads "WANTED" in large text, and under that it reads "GRAND THEFT CANDYBAR, DOITERING, & FIRST DEGREE DINING N' DITCHING". || [[HR:wanted.swf|view the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:luaumain.PNG|100px]] || '''Luau Menu''' || An updated version of the secret Luau main menu. || [[HR:luaumain.html|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Stencils.PNG|100px]] || '''Stencils''' || Stencils you can print to use on pumpkins. Replaced by [[Punkin Stencils]]. || [[HR:stencils.swf|view the Flash file]]
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| [[Image:pumpkinstencils.png|100px]] || '''[[Punkin Stencils]]''' || These are the later version of the pumpkin stencils above. They are shown on the main pages each year as one of the updates. There is no other link to them from the site. || *[[HR:ween_stencils.html|view the pumpkin stencils]]<br>[[HR:ween_stencils.swf|view the Flash file]]<br>[http://www.strongfans.com/upload/ThePaper/ween_stencils.swf view the stencils available for Halloween 2004] (mirror)
|-
| || '''Another Old Toons Menu''' || Presumably an old toons menu. The toons.swf file is embedded in his page. However, the swf file is no longer on the site. This text is contained in the page source: ''"Kick the Can an ancient homestar cartoon found in the ruins of Pompei the isle of Pom a sweet little story about the big, round, yellow one. Pom-Pom i think is his name. The King of Town The King of Town has lost his crown. No, wait. I mean his sheep. Marshmallow's Last Stand What more is there to life than marshmallows and tag-team wrestling?"'' This menu was most likely the earliest one on the site. But since it just stays blank, we'll probably never know. Because it has very few toons, and even has the Isle of Pom according to the source, it probably came before the lava lamp toons menu. || [[HR:toonsold.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Litebrite3.PNG|100px]] || '''Lite Brite''' || Another version of the [[Astro Lite]] game that used to be accessible from the museum, but now from [[Handheld Games Menu]] || [[HR:litebrite3.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Virusemailmanu.PNG|100px]] || '''Old [[Strong Bad Email]] Selection''' || The email selection before the email [[virus]] || [[HR:sbemail.swf|View Flash file]]
|-
| || '''Old games page''' || Probably an old games page. This text is contained in the page source: ''Homestar Talker d a n c i b u s Fortune Cookies marzipan's answering machine hairstyle runner Strong Libs''. Also, stronglibs.html seems to be misspelled as stonglibs.html in another part of the source. It was most likely the Third Games Menu listed above. || [[HR:games3.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Shotgunned menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Broken Compy Menu]]''' || The email selection page that appeared between [[virus]] and [[animal]]. The version still on the site lacks the bonus toon it featured when in use. || [[HR:sbemail_shotgunned.swf|View the official Flash file]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_shotgunned.html View the page with toon included] (mirror)<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_shotgunned.swf View the Flash file with toon included] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:Wow.PNG|100px]] || '''Wallpaper o' the Week''' || Possibly an old feature, meant for the weekly updates section. The link is embedded in the source of the [[Homestar Talker]]. || [[HR:wow.html|View the page]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestarstamp.PNG]]</center> || '''Email Updates''' || Before [[The Brothers Chaps]] started updating weekly, this was how fans knew when to check homestarrunner.com. Yet again, the link is embedded in the source of the Homestar Talker. || [[HR:updates.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Seriouslymacintosh.png|100px|Seriously]] || '''Seriously''' || Homestar Runner parody of the Macintosh Apple logo. Also used as a wallpaper in the wallpapers section of the site, linked to father down on this page. || [[HR:hrapple.swf|View Seriously]]
|-
| [[Image:toons screenshot.PNG|100px|Telebision]] ||'''Current Toons Menu''' || The same [[Toons Menu|toons menu]], but it has a different page name. Instead of "toons.html", it's "tvguide.html". Also, you can click here for the swf file: [[HR:tvguide.swf|SWF File of the Toons Menu]]. This was the name of the toons menu back [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/extraoldtoons.html before the remote was upgraded]. If you click "back" at the end of [[Meet Marshie]], you will be taken here. || [[HR:tvguide.html|View TV Guide]]<br/>[[HR:tvguide.swf|View the Flash File for TV Guide]]
|-
| [[Image:Awesomerthanyou.png|100px|I am awesomer than you]] || '''SB Sign''' || A strange [[Strong Bad]] sign with [[Atari Strong Bad]] waving his hands next to the text "i am awesomer than you" || [[HR:sbsign.swf|View the flash file for SB Sign]]
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| [[Image:Mattcake.png|100px|Mattcake]] || '''Matt Cake''' || A scary cake. Click on the cherry farthest to the left to see a picture of Dennis Franz overlapping Matt's face. || [[HR:mattcake.swf|View the flash file for Matt Cake]]
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| [[Image:Tirecake.png|100px|Tirecake and snake]] || '''Tire Cake''' || A tire with candles. Click on the one fourth from the top (to the right) to see the snake from the [[Strongbadia]] flag. || [[HR:tirecake.swf|View the flash file for Tire Cake]]
|-
| [[Image:Kickinggame.png|100px|Taryn getting kicked]] || '''Kicking Game''' || A kicking game. Kick the picture 47 times to see it break. (The picture is of a girl, [http://aces.tabulas.com/tarebear/5134_35f71.jpg Taryn], from the old Strong Bad Message Bored, who finally posted her pic after everyone begged her to. [[The Cheat]] then made this game.) If you save the Flash file on to your hard drive and then kick the picture, it will break the first time you kick Taryn. || [[HR:taryngame.swf|View the flash file for Kicking Game]]
|-
| [[Image:Hstartheme.png|100px|Homestar Runner theme]] || '''H*R Theme''' || A desktop theme for Homestar Runner. || [[HR:hstheme.zip|Download the HR Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:Sbtheme.png|100px|Strong Bad theme]] || '''SB Theme''' || A desktop theme for Strong Bad. || [[HR:sbtheme.ZIP|Download the SB Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:98theme.png|100px|Additional Theme]] || '''Windows 98 H*R Theme''' || A Homestar Runner desktop theme for Windows 98. It only downloads the theme song. || [[HR:theme.swf|View the flash file for Windows 98 H*R Theme]]<br/>[[HR:theme.ZIP|Download the Windows 98 H*R Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:Moreshirts.png|100px|More shirts]] || '''Shirts''' || Two unreleased shirts; A Waffle House parody shirt and a Jamaican Homestar shirt. || [[HR:waffleshirt.swf|View the shirts]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Tagtag.PNG|50px]]</center> || '''Wireless Bizness''' || A page that appears to be intended for mobile phones supporting [[Wikipedia:Wireless Application Protocol|WAP]]. Has some Strong Bad Emails. (No longer works.) || [[HR:wireless.html|View Wireless Bizness]]
|-
| [[Image:Cooleststuffeverdotcom.png|100px|The Coolest stuff ever]] || '''Coolest Stuff Ever Banner''' || A banner which says "THE COOLEST STUFF EVER". Note the title says The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM. The website does not exist though, although a website called [http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com The-Coolest-Stuff-Ever.com] '''does''' exist. || [[HR:coolest.html|View Coolest Stuff Ever]]
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| [[Image:Pom Pom Glossy.PNG|100px]] || '''Pom Pom Glossy''' || A cool [[Pom Pom]] picture. || [[HR:ppglossy.swf|View Pom Pom Glossy]]
|-
| [[Image:Glossy Strong Bad.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Bad Glossy''' || A picture of Strong Bad that appears autographed by his "main man" in [[2 years]]. || [[HR:sbglossy.swf|View Strong Bad Glossy]]
|-
| [[Image:Secret Marzipan Shirts.PNG|100px]] || '''Marzipan Shirts''' || [[Marzipan]] shirts that were never used. One features Marzipan on a pink flower silhouette on a white shirt and the other has inverted colors. Both have the text "*MARZIPAN* written below her in purple text. In front of both shirts is the text ''click to change'', clicking it changes the shirt to a version with smaller text, then no text, and then back to normal. Below the shirts is the text "Which do you like best? I think we should get babydolls, mediums, and spaghetti-strap tanktops. and possibly a couple larges or x-larges for fruity guys." || [[HR:marzyshirts.swf|View Marzipan Shirts]]
|-
| [[Image:Secret Halloween Costumes.JPG|100px]] || '''Halloween Fanstuff''' || 35 pictures of people dressed up as Homestar Runner characters for Halloween. ||[[HR:weenstuff/weenstuff1.html|Ween Stuff]]
|-
| [[Image:limozeenecard.jpg|100px]] || '''[[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-Cards|Limozeen eCards]]''' || Simply the loading screen of what probably would have been [[Limozeen]] eCards. The font used for "Loading..." is modeled after the [[Wikipedia:Iron Maiden (band)|Iron Maiden]] logo. ||[[HR:zeen_ecard.swf|View the Flash file]]<br>[http://www.everybodytothelimit.com/zeen.html view the Limozeen E-Cards] (mirror)
|-

| [[Image:sbcharcards.png|100px]] || '''[[Character Cards]]''' || This is a small Flash file which contains an old-style picture of each character on the H*R Website, except for [[The Poopsmith]] and [[Homsar]], who weren't main characters at the time. It also shows two characters who were later rejected. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/cards.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-

| [[Image:Homestar_Runner_Face_Screen_Saver.png|100px]] || '''[[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver]]''' || These screensavers can also be gotten by downloading the themes. || [[HR:macss.html|Download the Screen Saver]]
|-
| [[Image:NoFlash.PNG|100px]] || '''Old No Flash Page''' || An old page telling you that you need to download Flash. || [[HR:noflash.html|No Flash]]
|-
| [[Image:SMPosse.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Mad Stickers''' || Print out Strong Mad Stickers! The stickers are used for similar purposes as the Luke Schenscher (a Georgia Tech basketball player) stickers and T-Shirts that showed up all around Atlanta, where The Brothers Chaps live, when Georgia Tech was in the Final Four and NCAA Championship in basketball. || [[HR:smsticker.html|Strong Mad Stickers]]<br>[[HR:smstickers.ZIP|Download the ZIP File]]
|-
| [[Image:ween_intro_screenshot.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Ween Intro]]''' || The intro that is displayed on Halloween. It always takes you to [[Main Page 7|Main Page 7 "Dead as a Doornail"]]. || [[HR:weenintro.swf|view the Flash file for "Ween Intro"]]
|-

| [[Image:downloadpage.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Downloads|Downloads Menu]]''' || Simply a different name for the downloads menu, but the screen is smaller. || [[HR:downloads.html|Downloads Menu]]
|-

| [[Image:HRBanners.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Banners and Link Graphics]]''' || No longer on site, simply some pictures that can be used on your site to link to H*R. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/banners/ Banners and Link Graphics page] (mirror).
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| [[Image:MacIconInstructions.PNG|100px]] || '''Mac icons instructions''' || Old Mac icon instructions. || [[HR:macicons.html|Mac icons instructions]]
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| [[Image:Puppet background.PNG|100px]] || '''Puppet Background''' || The background used for puppet toons that don't take up the whole screen. || [[HR:puppet_background.swf|view the flash file for "Puppet Background"]]
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[[Category:Secret Pages]]
[[Category: Lists]]

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A secret page is a page from the Homestar Runner website that is either not linked to from anywhere or has been removed from the site altogether.

Note that sometimes some of the pages don't work. Just try again at a later date.

== Toons ==
These are [[Toons]] or toon-like animations that are not advertised from the site. Some of them are incomplete.

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| [[Image:mm ls.png|100px]] || '''[[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]''' || [[Strong Bad]] and [[Strong Mad]] steal the star from [[Homestar Runner]]'s shirt in order to force Homestar and [[Pom Pom]] to participate in a tag team wrestling match. This cartoon, which is the first ever full-length Homestar Runner toon made, has been removed from the site for unknown reasons. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/marshmallow2.html Watch "Marshmallow's Last Stand"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/marshmallow2.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:jumpingjackcontest.png|100px]] || '''[[A Jumping Jack Contest]]''' || Strong Bad, [[Strong Sad]], Homestar Runner, Pom Pom, and [[Bubs]] enter a jumping jack contest. The person who continually jumps jacks for the longest wins. Strong Bad cheats, of course. Based loosely on the Homestar Runner book, it has since been taken off the site for unknown reasons. You can play a [[Strong Libs|Strong Lib]] while you wait. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/jumpinjacks2.html Watch "A Jumping Jack Contest"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/jumpinjacks2.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:If I Ran the Camera.PNG|100px]] || '''[[If I Ran the Camera]]''' || A poem of unknown origin relating nothing to any other part of the site. It was on the site for a short period of time but soon taken down one [[The Brothers Chaps]] realized that fans had found it. It features a little girl named Astrid Renee and [[Don and Harriet Chapman|Grandpa Chapman]]. || [http://www.hrwiki.org/mirror/ifiranthecamera.html Watch "If I Ran the Camera"] (mirror)<br />[http://www.hrwiki.org/mirror/ifiranthecamera.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:twinkie.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Where the Crap Are We?]]''' || An animation with Homestar and Strong Bad found in an [[Easter eggs|Easter egg]] in [http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ Macromedia Central]. || [http://hrwiki.org/mirror/egg.html Watch "Where the Crap are We?"] (mirror)<br />[http://hrwiki.org/mirror/egg.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:Yellodellowdeleted.png|100px]] || '''[[In Search of the Yello Dello Deleted Scenes#Secret Deleted Scene|Secret Yello Dello Deleted Scene]]''' || This is the scene from the [[In Search of the Yello Dello]] DVD where Strong Bad is talking with Marzipan, but with some odd commentary tacked on the front. || [[HR:dellocut_2.html|Watch the secret deleted scene]]<br />[[HR:dellocut_2.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Happy T.png|100px]] || '''[[Happy T]]''' || A sign which says "Happy T." You can click on some of the letters to hear characters say stuff relating to the title. It features an Easter egg with Homsar, accessed by clicking on a small spot on the lower right hand corner of the screen. || [[HR:happyt.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:sbemail100.png|100px]] || '''[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]''' || Never purposefully linked to at any time, this secret page was actually designed to be discovered by people trying to find the [[flashback|100th]] [[Strong Bad Email]] before it was released. || [[HR:sbemail100.html|View "Not the 100th Email"]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail100.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:strongbadwithnomouthfromthesingalong.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Sing Along]]''' || A weird, unfinished sing-along with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]]. || [[HR:singalong.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Needlepoint.png|100px]] || '''Needle Point''' || A seemingly unfinished small cartoon of Homestar and Strong Bad on a sewn picture, possibly a reference to the one scene in [[property of ones]]. It picture features Strong Bad standing in [[The Field]]. Homestar Runner walks up in the right, stops next to Strong Bad and opens his mouth. The text "Get Rid of a Few Things!" appears below. || [[HR:needlepoint.html|View "Needlepoint"]]<br />[[HR:needlepoint.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Secret Answering Machine.PNG|100px]] || '''Marzipan's Answering Machine''' || This is just [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1]], possibly before more versions were planned. It has a few minor differences from the current version. The font is a little different for both the number and the back link, it doesn't have the archive menu, and it goes to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|Games Menu]] when you click ''BACK''. || [[HR:answer.html|Watch "Marzipan's Answering Machine"]]<br />[[HR:answer.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:KoT's Mouth.PNG|100px]] || '''[[The King of Town DVD Commentary#Secret Commentary|The King of Town DVD Secret Commentary]]''' || This is a secret version of [[The King of Town DVD Commentary|Strong Bad's Commentary]] for the [[The King of Town DVD]] without any visuals. It is identical to the normal version except for the end, where it explains why Strong Bad did the commentary. || [[HR:sb_kingcomment.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:sbemail46.PNG|100px]] || '''Old "[[your friends]]"''' || This is an alternate version of the email [[your friends]]. On it: Strong Bad's mouth isn't visible in the reflection when he sings the email intro. The announcer on the TV [[Strong Mad]] is watching doesn't say "Some type of TV show." The background music stops at [[Strong Sad]]'s scene. Some extra buzz saw blades and a bottle of hot sauce behind Strong Bad are gone in [[Marzipan]]'s scene. The Cheat doesn't yell at Strong Bad, and Pom Pom does one less turn. Strong Bad isn't holding a bottle of hot sauce in [[Homsar]]'s scene. At the end, Strong Bad says the word "fans" a little differently.
|| [[HR:sbemail46.swf|View the Flash file]]
|}

== Games ==
Old games that are no longer linked to from the site.

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== Menus ==
Various old menus for Toons, Games and the like that are no longer actively used on the site.

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== Other Animations ==
Other secret animated things that do not fit in the above categories.

== Downloads ==
Old downloads.

== Music ==
Audio files that aren't used on the site.

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| '''[[The Cheat]] is Not Dead''' || A sample of "[[The Cheat is Not Dead]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also found by clicking on '''CD''' on the [[Sticky Notes|post-it note]] from the "Working on my CD" email menu. || [[HR:cheatnotdead.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html View the "Working on my CD" email menu] (mirror)
|-
| '''Because It's Midnite''' || A sample of "[[Because It's Midnite]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also found by clicking on '''SB''' on the post-it from the "Working on my CD" email menu. || [[HR:midnight.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html View the "Working on my CD" email menu] (mirror)
|-
| '''MLS Music''' || This is the music from the old cartoon [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. It is a loop from the beginning of Beck's ''[[Wikipedia:Tropicalismo|Tropicalia]]''. || [[HR:music.swf|Listen to the song]]
|-
| '''Oh Yeah Yeah''' || [[Marzipan]]'s song from the email [[marzipan]]. || [[HR:ohyeahyeah.mp3|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail59.html|View the email that it comes from]]
|-
| '''Renegade Master''' || A sample from the [[Wikipedia:Fatboy Slim|Fatboy Slim]] remix of Wildchild's ''Renegade Master'' that was used for the "Characters" button on [[Main Page 4]] for a while, before being removed to avoid copyright issues. || [[HR:renegade.swf|Listen to the song]]
|-
| '''Fluffy Puff Marshmallows Jingle''' || The [[Fluffy Puff Marshmallows]] jingle from [[Meet Marshie]]. || [[HR:fluffypuff.mp3|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:marshie.html|View the toon that it comes from]]
|-
| '''Poop Smoke''' || A remix including [[Poot Slap]] and [[Wikipedia:Deep Purple|Deep Purple]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Smoke on the Water|Smoke on the Water]]''. || [[HR:poopsmoke.zip|Download the song]]
|-
| '''Welcome to Your Doom!''' || This sound clip plays when you visit [[Strong Bad's Website]]. This clip introduced the boss battles in '''[[Wikipedia:Altered Beast|Altered Beast]]''' for the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]]. || [[HR:sbsite/welcome.mp3|Listen to the sound clip]]<br/>[[HR:sbsite/|View Strong Bad's Website]]
|-
| '''Everybody''' || A constant loop of the ''"Everybody!"'' song used in the [[Intro|intro]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. Sometimes the file is [[404'd]]. || [[HR:breakbeat|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:intro.html|View the intro that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Techno''' || A sample loop from the email [[techno]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. This loop is also used in [[Main Page 4]]. || [[HR:money.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail45.html|View the email that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Banjo''' || A music sample from an easter egg in the email [[little questions]], it was featured in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. || [[HR:banjo.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:sbemail43.html|View the email that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|-
| '''Drum N' Bass''' || A loop from [[Everybody to the Limit]]; also used in [[Dancin' Bubs]]. || [[HR:drumnbass.swf|Listen to the song]]<br/>[[HR:fhqwhgads.html|View the toon that it comes from]]<br/>[[HR:dance.html|Play Dancin' Bubs]]
|}

== Images ==
Simple images (not in Flash) that are not linked to on the site.
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| [[Image:Wallpapers.png|100px]] || '''Wallpapers''' || The wallpaper download page. || [[HR:wallpapers.html|Wallpapers]]
|-

| [[Image:Calibos.gif|75px]] || '''Calibos''' || An image of Calibos. Probable reference material for Strong Sad in [[different town]]. || [[HR:calibos.gif|Calibos]]
|-

| [[Image:Dennises.gif|75px]] || '''Dennis''' || An animated GIF of various actors named Dennis. The cycle of Dennises is [[Wikipedia:Dennis Hopper|Hopper]], [[Wikipedia:Denis Leary|Leary]], [[Wikipedia:Dennis Quaid|Quaid]], and [[Wikipedia:Dennis Franz|Franz]]. || [[HR:dennises.gif|Dennis]]
|-

| [[Image:Franzer.gif|75px]] || '''Dennis Franz''' || An animated GIF with various images of Dennis Franz. || [[HR:franzer.gif|Dennis Franz]]
|-

| [[Image:Joker.jpg|75px]] || '''Joker''' || A photo of Cesar Romero as the Joker. Probable reference material for Strong Bad in [[Halloween Fairstival]]. || [[HR:joker.jpg|Joker]]
|-

| [[Image:Polaris.gif|75px]] || '''Happily Derranged''' || Cover of the promotional cassette "Happily Deranged", containing 3 songs from the mid '90s Nickelodeon show "[[Wikipedia:The Adventures of Pete and Pete|The Adventures of Pete & Pete]]." A larger version of the image is found [http://members.tripod.com/~maytg_jedi/pp/pic/front.jpg here].|| [[HR:polaris.gif|Happily Derranged]]
|-

| [[Image:Coolbot.gif|100px]] || '''Coolbot''' || Appears to be a line drawing of the [[Visor Robot]]. Used on "The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM" banner. || [[HR:coolbot.gif|Coolbot]]
|-

| [[Image:Cooltitle.gif|100px]]|| '''Cooltitle''' || A banner reading "THE COOLEST STUFF EVER". Used on "The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM" banner. || [[HR:cooltitle.gif|Cooltitle]]
|-
|}

== Miscellaneous ==
Secret pages that lack a more specific category.

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== Site Components ==
Parts of the website that normally aren't accessed on its own.
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| || '''Weeklies XML File''' || An XML page controlling the text of the weekly things. The source says:
<pre><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<sketchbook>alternate sb float</sketchbook>
<fanstuff>sweet sterrance bag</fanstuff>
<qod character="homsar"
filename="homsar_pennzoil.mp3">
Let's sing a song of Pennzoil!</qod>

</pre>
| [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|Weeklies XML]]
|-

| || '''50 cake''' || The Easter egg that was used in the email [[big white face]], click on it for all sorts of crazy crap. || [[HR:cake.swf|50 cake]]
|-

| [[Image:404.PNG|100px]] || '''[[404'd]]''' || The error message that appears when you go to something on H*R.com that doesn't exist. || [[HR:404error.html|See 404 Error Page]]
|-

| || '''News''' || The news button that is integrated in every [[Main Pages|main page]]. || [[HR:newbutton.swf|News]]
|-

| [[Image:main1.png|100px]] || '''Homepages''' || The homepages list that is integrated in every main page except Main Page 23. || [[HR:homepages.swf|Homepages]]
|-

| [[Image:main_page_23.PNG|100px]] || '''Homepage 23''' || The homepage list that is integrated in [[Main Page 23]]. || [[HR:homepages_23.swf|Homepage 23]]
|-

| || '''Making Out''' || The "Click on the Monkey!!!" pop-up that was in the Strong Bad Email [[virus]]. Also view the [[HR:hsmakeout.swf|flash file]] || [[HR:hsmakeout.html|Making Out]]
|-

| || '''Seriously!''' || An Easter egg from [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], accessed by clicking on the candy corn light in the top right corner in the cast list at the end. Click [[HR:tennis.swf|here]] for the flash file. || [[HR:tennis.html|Seriously!]]
|-

| || '''MORE TO COME!''' || The page with the AIM buddy icons on it. || [[HR:aim.html|MORE TO COME!]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd QoD''' || What happens when you click on the 'Q' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. Notice that when you roll over the 'Don't tape it!' text it turns into 'Don't take it!' || [[HR:qod_virus.swf|Virus'd QoD]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd Fanstuff''' || What happens when you click on the 'F' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. || [[HR:fanstuff_virus.swf|Virus'd Fanstuff]]
|-

| || '''Virus'd Sketchbook''' || What happens when you click on the 'S' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. || [[HR:sketchbook_virus.swf|Virus'd Sketchbook]]
|-

| || '''Strong Bad's "Time Machine" download''' || The Strong Bad clock. || [[HR:clock7x.swf|Strong Bad's "Time Machine" download]]
|-

| || '''The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes buddy icons download page''' || From an Easter egg in [[crazy cartoon]]. || [[HR:sccicons.html|The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes buddy icons download page]]
|-

| || '''NavBar''' || The bottom menu (main, toons, games etc.) that appears on almost every page underneath the toon. || [[HR:main nav.swf|NavBar]]
|-

| || '''Random Toon''' || The [[Random Toon]] chooser that comes up when you click the R on the main page. || [[HR:rando.swf|Random Toon]]
|-

| || '''Random Toon XML''' || The list of toons that the above chooses from. || [[HR:rando.xml|Random Toon XML]]
|-

| || '''Icon''' || A Homestar Runner icon. In some browsers, this is used as a bookmark icon. In other browsers it is displayed in the location/address bar when a user visits any page on homestarrunner.com. || [[HR:favicon.ico|Icon]]
|-
| || '''[[HR:answermenu.swf|Answering Machines]]''' || The archive menu in the bottom right of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]. ||
|}

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| [[Image:costumecommentary.png|100px]] || '''Fan Costumes''' || A collection of fan submitted Halloween stuff. The original version of [[Fan Costume Commentary]]. For some reason, the link is embedded in the source of the [[Homsar Main Page]]. The page title is "Check out my new [[Wikipedia:cosplay|cosplay]]!", which is [[Stinkoman]]'s line in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]. || [[HR:costumes01.html|Watch "Fan Costumes"]]<br />[[HR:costumes01.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:games menu 2001.png|100px]] || '''[[Third Games Menu]]''' || One of the old game menus. || [[HR:games.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Boredbottons.PNG|100px]] || '''Bored Buttons''' || An old navigation bar in the style of [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]]. ||[[HR:boredbuttons.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Newer Telebision Toons Menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Telebision Toons Menu]]''' || An old [[Toons]] menu, see its page for details. An earlier version exists without sound, a ''back'' button, descriptions and [[A Jumping Jack Contest]]. || [[HR:newtoons.html|View the Telebision Menu]]<br />[[HR:newtoons2.swf|View the Flash file]]<br />[[HR:newtoons.swf|View the Flash file of the earlier version]]
|-
| [[Image:Chinese Food Toons Menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Chinese Food Toons Menu]]''' || An old [[Toons]] menu, possibly related to the [[Fortune Cookies|fortune cookies game]]. || [[HR:chinesefood.html|View the Chinese Menu]]<br />[[HR:chinesefood.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:hr3.png|100px]]</center> || '''Old MLS Loading Screen''' || An old loading screen featuring an old-style [[Homestar Runner]] tapping his foot. The animation is taken from the toon [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]] and a few other old toons from that time period. Also seen in the parodying email [[lady...ing]]. || [[HR:loading.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
|[[Image:tandy paper menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Broken Tandy Menu]]''' || An old [[Strong Bad Email]] menu that only goes up to [[gimmicks]]. It was used as a replacement for the [[Tandy 400]] when it exploded. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_paper.html View the Broken Tandy Menu] (mirror)<br />[[HR:sbemailx.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
|[[Image:Vacation SBEmail Menu.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Bad Email Vacation Menu''' || An old [[Strong Bad Email]] menu that was presumably used during the email [[vacation]]. Click on the post-it note to hear it say "Hey!" then "Dorks!" then "Get offa me!" and finally "You stink!" || [[HR:sbemail(vacation).swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
|[[Image:Old HR Loading Screen.PNG|100px]] || '''Old H*R Loading Screen''' || An old loading screen featuring some of [[Homestar Runner]]'s outline and then the text ''H*R''. || [[HR:hstarr.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:lavalamptoons.png|100px]] || '''[[Lava Lamp Toons Menu]]''' || Old toons menu with a lava lamp as a back button. The remote was used in the museum, but with only 1 button. || [[HR:toonsold.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Yearbook page.png|100px]] || '''[[Yearbook Character Page]]''' || Old characters page. It was believed to be made sometime after the toon "The Luau". Homsar is not included in the lineup because he was not considered a character back then. || [[HR:yearbook.html|view the Yearbook menu]]<br>[[HR:yearbook.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:decemberween emails.png|100px]] || '''[[Decemberween Email Menu]]''' || This was the "no new email notice" used during the holidays in 2002. || [[HR:sbemailxmas.html|Visit the Decemberween Email Menu]]<br>[[HR:sbemailxmas.swf|View the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Main6x.PNG|100px]] || '''Old [[Main Page 6]]''' || This is an uncompleted main page from back in 2000. The "new cartoon!" link goes to [[A Jorb Well Done]], the "another homepage" goes to [[Main Page 10]], the "more messages" link goes to [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2]], and the "new toons menu" link goes to the current toons menu. Also, the buttons on the left don't work exactly right. Also note that email is above downloads, instead of below store. Also, Homestar's mouth will move when you mouse over downloads and store, but he won't say anything. Only downloads actually works. The other buttons won't do anything. || [[HR:main6x.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Jarules.PNG|100px]] || '''Message Bored Rules''' || They appear to be the rules from the Strong Bad Message Bored. || [[HR:rules.html|view the rules page]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Strong Bad Error.png|100px]]</center> || '''[[Strong Bad 404 Error Page]]''' || The error page that was used before [[404'd]]. If you look closely on the mailbox before the letters appear on the [[Email]] page, you can see [[HR:sberror.jpg|that Strong Bad face]] from the old error page. || [[HR:errorpage.html|view the error page]]
|-
| [[Image:ev ev.PNG|100px]] || [[Intro 2]] || Actually the third Intro made between [[Old Intro|the first]], [[Old Intro 2|second]], and [[Intro|fourth intros]] || [[HR:intro2.html|watch "Intro 2"]]<br>[[HR:intro2.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Wanted.PNG|100px]] || '''Wanted''' || This wanted poster was accessible from the "What's New" button a few days before [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]. It reads "WANTED" in large text, and under that it reads "GRAND THEFT CANDYBAR, DOITERING, & FIRST DEGREE DINING N' DITCHING". || [[HR:wanted.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:luaumain.PNG|100px]] || '''Luau Menu''' || An updated version of the secret Luau main menu. || [[HR:luaumain.html|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Stencils.PNG|100px]] || '''Stencils''' || Stencils you can print to use on pumpkins. Replaced by [[Punkin Stencils]]. || [[HR:stencils.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:pumpkinstencils.png|100px]] || '''[[Punkin Stencils]]''' || These are the later version of the pumpkin stencils above. They are shown on the main pages each year as one of the updates. There is no other link to them from the site. || *[[HR:ween_stencils.html|view the pumpkin stencils]]<br>[[HR:ween_stencils.swf|view the Flash file]]<br>[http://www.strongfans.com/upload/ThePaper/ween_stencils.swf view the stencils available for Halloween 2004] (mirror)
|-
| || '''Another Old Toons Menu''' || Presumably an old toons menu. The toons.swf file is embedded in his page. However, the swf file is no longer on the site. This text is contained in the page source: ''"Kick the Can an ancient homestar cartoon found in the ruins of Pompei the isle of Pom a sweet little story about the big, round, yellow one. Pom-Pom i think is his name. The King of Town The King of Town has lost his crown. No, wait. I mean his sheep. Marshmallow's Last Stand What more is there to life than marshmallows and tag-team wrestling?"'' This menu was most likely the earliest one on the site. But since it just stays blank, we'll probably never know. Because it has very few toons, and even has the Isle of Pom according to the source, it probably came before the lava lamp toons menu. || [[HR:toonsold.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Litebrite3.PNG|100px]] || '''Lite Brite''' || Another version of the [[Astro Lite]] game that used to be accessible from the museum, but now from [[Handheld Games Menu]] || [[HR:litebrite3.swf|view the Flash file]]
|-
| [[Image:Virusemailmanu.PNG|100px]] || '''Old [[Strong Bad Email]] Selection''' || The email selection before the email [[virus]] || [[HR:sbemail.swf|View Flash file]]
|-
| || '''Old games page''' || Probably an old games page. This text is contained in the page source: ''Homestar Talker d a n c i b u s Fortune Cookies marzipan's answering machine hairstyle runner Strong Libs''. Also, stronglibs.html seems to be misspelled as stonglibs.html in another part of the source. It was most likely the Third Games Menu listed above. || [[HR:games3.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Shotgunned menu.png|100px]] || '''[[Broken Compy Menu]]''' || The email selection page that appeared between [[virus]] and [[animal]]. The version still on the site lacks the bonus toon it featured when in use. || [[HR:sbemail_shotgunned.swf|View the official Flash file]]<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_shotgunned.html View the page with toon included] (mirror)<br/>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail_shotgunned.swf View the Flash file with toon included] (mirror)
|-
| [[Image:Wow.PNG|100px]] || '''Wallpaper o' the Week''' || Possibly an old feature, meant for the weekly updates section. The link is embedded in the source of the [[Homestar Talker]]. || [[HR:wow.html|View the page]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestarstamp.PNG]]</center> || '''Email Updates''' || Before [[The Brothers Chaps]] started updating weekly, this was how fans knew when to check homestarrunner.com. Yet again, the link is embedded in the source of the Homestar Talker. || [[HR:updates.html|View the page]]
|-
| [[Image:Seriouslymacintosh.png|100px|Seriously]] || '''Seriously''' || Homestar Runner parody of the Macintosh Apple logo. Also used as a wallpaper in the wallpapers section of the site, linked to father down on this page. || [[HR:hrapple.swf|View Seriously]]
|-
| [[Image:toons screenshot.PNG|100px|Telebision]] ||'''Current Toons Menu''' || The same [[Toons Menu|toons menu]], but it has a different page name. Instead of "toons.html", it's "tvguide.html". Also, you can click here for the swf file: [[HR:tvguide.swf|SWF File of the Toons Menu]]. This was the name of the toons menu back [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/extraoldtoons.html before the remote was upgraded]. If you click "back" at the end of [[Meet Marshie]], you will be taken here. || [[HR:tvguide.html|View TV Guide]]<br/>[[HR:tvguide.swf|View the Flash File for TV Guide]]
|-
| [[Image:Awesomerthanyou.png|100px|I am awesomer than you]] || '''SB Sign''' || A strange [[Strong Bad]] sign with [[Atari Strong Bad]] waving his hands next to the text "i am awesomer than you" || [[HR:sbsign.swf|View the flash file for SB Sign]]
|-
| [[Image:Mattcake.png|100px|Mattcake]] || '''Matt Cake''' || A scary cake. Click on the cherry farthest to the left to see a picture of Dennis Franz overlapping Matt's face. || [[HR:mattcake.swf|View the flash file for Matt Cake]]
|-
| [[Image:Tirecake.png|100px|Tirecake and snake]] || '''Tire Cake''' || A tire with candles. Click on the one fourth from the top (to the right) to see the snake from the [[Strongbadia]] flag. || [[HR:tirecake.swf|View the flash file for Tire Cake]]
|-
| [[Image:Kickinggame.png|100px|Taryn getting kicked]] || '''Kicking Game''' || A kicking game. Kick the picture 47 times to see it break. (The picture is of a girl, [http://aces.tabulas.com/tarebear/5134_35f71.jpg Taryn], from the old Strong Bad Message Bored, who finally posted her pic after everyone begged her to. [[The Cheat]] then made this game.) If you save the Flash file on to your hard drive and then kick the picture, it will break the first time you kick Taryn. || [[HR:taryngame.swf|View the flash file for Kicking Game]]
|-
| [[Image:Hstartheme.png|100px|Homestar Runner theme]] || '''H*R Theme''' || A desktop theme for Homestar Runner. || [[HR:hstheme.zip|Download the HR Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:Sbtheme.png|100px|Strong Bad theme]] || '''SB Theme''' || A desktop theme for Strong Bad. || [[HR:sbtheme.ZIP|Download the SB Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:98theme.png|100px|Additional Theme]] || '''Windows 98 H*R Theme''' || A Homestar Runner desktop theme for Windows 98. It only downloads the theme song. || [[HR:theme.swf|View the flash file for Windows 98 H*R Theme]]<br/>[[HR:theme.ZIP|Download the Windows 98 H*R Theme]]
|-
| [[Image:Moreshirts.png|100px|More shirts]] || '''Shirts''' || Two unreleased shirts; A Waffle House parody shirt and a Jamaican Homestar shirt. || [[HR:waffleshirt.swf|View the shirts]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Tagtag.PNG|50px]]</center> || '''Wireless Bizness''' || A page that appears to be intended for mobile phones supporting [[Wikipedia:Wireless Application Protocol|WAP]]. Has some Strong Bad Emails. (No longer works.) || [[HR:wireless.html|View Wireless Bizness]]
|-
| [[Image:Cooleststuffeverdotcom.png|100px|The Coolest stuff ever]] || '''Coolest Stuff Ever Banner''' || A banner which says "THE COOLEST STUFF EVER". Note the title says The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM. The website does not exist though, although a website called [http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com The-Coolest-Stuff-Ever.com] '''does''' exist. || [[HR:coolest.html|View Coolest Stuff Ever]]
|-
| [[Image:Pom Pom Glossy.PNG|100px]] || '''Pom Pom Glossy''' || A cool [[Pom Pom]] picture. || [[HR:ppglossy.swf|View Pom Pom Glossy]]
|-
| [[Image:Glossy Strong Bad.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Bad Glossy''' || A picture of Strong Bad that appears autographed by his "main man" in [[2 years]]. || [[HR:sbglossy.swf|View Strong Bad Glossy]]
|-
| [[Image:Secret Marzipan Shirts.PNG|100px]] || '''Marzipan Shirts''' || [[Marzipan]] shirts that were never used. One features Marzipan on a pink flower silhouette on a white shirt and the other has inverted colors. Both have the text "*MARZIPAN* written below her in purple text. In front of both shirts is the text ''click to change'', clicking it changes the shirt to a version with smaller text, then no text, and then back to normal. Below the shirts is the text "Which do you like best? I think we should get babydolls, mediums, and spaghetti-strap tanktops. and possibly a couple larges or x-larges for fruity guys." || [[HR:marzyshirts.swf|View Marzipan Shirts]]
|-
| [[Image:Secret Halloween Costumes.JPG|100px]] || '''Halloween Fanstuff''' || 35 pictures of people dressed up as Homestar Runner characters for Halloween. ||[[HR:weenstuff/weenstuff1.html|Ween Stuff]]
|-
| [[Image:limozeenecard.jpg|100px]] || '''[[Limozeen Thanksgiving E-Cards|Limozeen eCards]]''' || Simply the loading screen of what probably would have been [[Limozeen]] eCards. The font used for "Loading..." is modeled after the [[Wikipedia:Iron Maiden (band)|Iron Maiden]] logo. ||[[HR:zeen_ecard.swf|View the Flash file]]<br>[http://www.everybodytothelimit.com/zeen.html view the Limozeen E-Cards] (mirror)
|-

| [[Image:sbcharcards.png|100px]] || '''[[Character Cards]]''' || This is a small Flash file which contains an old-style picture of each character on the H*R Website, except for [[The Poopsmith]] and [[Homsar]], who weren't main characters at the time. It also shows two characters who were later rejected. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/cards.swf View the Flash file] (mirror)
|-

| [[Image:Homestar_Runner_Face_Screen_Saver.png|100px]] || '''[[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver]]''' || These screensavers can also be gotten by downloading the themes. || [[HR:macss.html|Download the Screen Saver]]
|-
| [[Image:NoFlash.PNG|100px]] || '''Old No Flash Page''' || An old page telling you that you need to download Flash. || [[HR:noflash.html|No Flash]]
|-
| [[Image:SMPosse.PNG|100px]] || '''Strong Mad Stickers''' || Print out Strong Mad Stickers! The stickers are used for similar purposes as the Luke Schenscher (a Georgia Tech basketball player) stickers and T-Shirts that showed up all around Atlanta, where The Brothers Chaps live, when Georgia Tech was in the Final Four and NCAA Championship in basketball. || [[HR:smsticker.html|Strong Mad Stickers]]<br>[[HR:smstickers.ZIP|Download the ZIP File]]
|-
| [[Image:ween_intro_screenshot.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Ween Intro]]''' || The intro that is displayed on Halloween. It always takes you to [[Main Page 7|Main Page 7 "Dead as a Doornail"]]. || [[HR:weenintro.swf|view the Flash file for "Ween Intro"]]
|-

| [[Image:downloadpage.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Downloads|Downloads Menu]]''' || Simply a different name for the downloads menu, but the screen is smaller. || [[HR:downloads.html|Downloads Menu]]
|-

| [[Image:HRBanners.PNG|100px]] || '''[[Banners and Link Graphics]]''' || No longer on site, simply some pictures that can be used on your site to link to H*R. || [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/banners/ Banners and Link Graphics page] (mirror).
|-

| [[Image:MacIconInstructions.PNG|100px]] || '''Mac icons instructions''' || Old Mac icon instructions. || [[HR:macicons.html|Mac icons instructions]]
|-
| || '''Puppet Background''' || The background used for puppet toons that don't take up the whole screen. || [[HR:puppet_background.swf|view the flash file for "Puppet Background"]]
|-

|}

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User:Sahm

2005-12-01T10:52:49Z

Sahm: pretty stressed

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<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
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<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
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<div><s>Cont</s><font color=#ff1111>rib</font><s>ution</s><font color=red>s</font></div>
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
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<div>Merchandice</div>
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
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#<sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]
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#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
#-[[User:Salty|Salty]] 07:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC) ZOMG I am a native speaker of Cheatease too!!!!
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}} S1nged! Or however you say that!
#— {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
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2005-11-30T05:45:00Z

Sahm: /* Trivia */ edited fun fact

[[Image:store screenshot.png|thumb|right|220px|We got all types of crazy crap]]
The '''Flash Store''' was the Flash-based marketplace on Homestarrunner.com where visitors could browse Homestar merchandise. The actual purchases were handled through a Yahoo storefront. The "store" links of the HSR site now direct users directly to the redesigned Yahoo Store.

'''Page Title:''' Homestore Runner!
==Fun Facts==
===Trivia===
*Several things available in the Flash Store are not available in the redisgned store. In particular, [[Kick The Cheat]], and the [[Strong Bad DVD Promo]].
*When up, clicking "Back" always took you to [[Main Page 5]].
*From left to right, the T-shirts play the notes A, B, C-sharp, D-sharp, F-sharp, G-sharp, A-sharp, C, C-sharp, a flat D-sharp , E, F, G-sharp, and A-sharp. You play songs by moving your mouse over shirts.
*If your computer happens to not be able to handle redirects (such as when JavaScript is disabled) or if you search for it on Google, you can see that the title of the Flash Store's old page is "Old Flash Store Page R.I.P."
*The Stinko Man T-shirt is the only one that is $17(all the others are $15).

== External Links ==
*View the [[HR:store_new04.swf|Flash file for the Old Store]]

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{{Succession box | before = N/A | title = Store Navigation | years = 200?-2005 | after = [[Store]]}}
{{end box}}
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[[Category:H*R Navigation]]
[[Category:Special Pages]]

Talk:Main Page

2005-11-29T05:25:25Z

Sahm: /* NSMC is at it again */

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{{Main Page Talk}}

== Domain ==

I know I sound like a scunge and all but, I have absolutely no way of paying for a domain. If someone took on this job I would add donation links and all to my website and the whole shibang. I know this is off topic to [http://homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] but this is the only place people view. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 06:32, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think anybody here's going to want to pay for your own domain. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:53, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::You never know, but I really doubt someone will pay for a domain for you. I think for now you should stay with what you've got. As long as your website works and people can use it, it can grow really big. If the site becomes really succesful, popular and have heaps of content, you can then think about getting a domain name and maybe paying for hosting. Remember that the H*R Wiki was originally just a subdomain of Joey's site (hrwiki.joeyday.com), which meant he didn't really pay anything extra for the wiki at first. Start small. It will take even a year to get the wiki fully started and having enough content to be a good resource. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:48, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Pertmywert, domain names cost about nine dollars for one year. I think you could realisticly save up for one in a fairly short period of time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I have no way of paying them though. :( {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 02:56, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::[https://www.godaddy.com/ GoDaddy] takes [https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/prepayment/landing.asp PayPal, Checking Account Debit, Credit Cards, and Cash]. Do you have any of those?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:13, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::Nope. :( {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 03:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Well, some day then.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::::I'm pretty sure all you need to sign up for PayPal is a bank account. It takes a bit of work to get it set up, but once it is, it's like an extra account for online transactions. That's all I can suggest. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Does Suncorp count as a bank account? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 22:12, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Sorry, correction. I'm pretty sure your bank has to have online services. Check your local bank, see if you can sign up for online banking. That's what you need. I know at least Royal Bank of Canada and Scotiabank both support online banking. Most big ones do. Small chains I'm not too sure about though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Actually, just in a brief look at PayPal, I don't think that's the case, just an ordinary bank account will do. But maybe Thunderbird was looking harder than I was. (At any rate, Suncorp does have online banking.) Anyway, if you know your bank account number, take it to PayPal and see what happens! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::LIAR! I have a suncorp account and it does have internet banking. And I am Australian. :P {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 10:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::Um... I imagine you're responding to Thunderbird, but aren't you saying exactly what I said above you? Anyway, congratulations; looks like you're in business. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 10:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::::I have changed my mind. I am gonna stay subdomain for a while. :-) {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 10:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Idea? ==

I'm not quite sure where to put this idea, so i'll put it here. What about, instead of just the <nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki> tag, we have a matching one for talk pages? Something like: <nowiki> {{talktobedeleted}} </nowiki> or something? The only reason i'm suggesting this is because when you put the <nowiki> {{tobedeleted}} </nowiki> tag on troll talk pages, the link takes you to a Talk:Talk:(pagename) page. If this is a bad idea or we already have something like this or if it's a good idea, let me know. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 18:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:We already have [[Template:talktobedeleted]]. And there's always the multipurpose [[Template:delete]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:09, 15 October 2005 (BST)

Oh, okay. Thank you Venusy. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 18:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

==I think today's the day...==
[[Image:2millionpageviews.PNG|thumb|298px|Here's to 2,000,002 more!]]
'''From the bottom of the main page:''' This page has been accessed 1,997,176 times.<br>
19:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,997,417<br>
19:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,997,749<br>
20:27, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,998,181<br>
21:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,998,587<br>
23:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 1,999,867 (ALMOST THERE!)<br>
23:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC) -- 2,000,002!!! Hooray!!

Earlier today, it was only at about 1,995,176 or so. By the end of the day, I think we might break 2,000,000 main page accesses!!! Going by PDT of course, none of this 'offical dateline' nonsense. And no east coast timezone either, I think my prediction needs the extra three hours. It would have been cooler if it coincided with Wikiday, but it's a good general marker anyways. 2 years, 2,000,000 main page views. (I know I'm ignoring the discrepency between starting with Wiki Tiki Tavi and starting main page view counting with Mediawiki). Any any case though, I'm hyped. It's a good marker. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:53, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
:At the rate you're reporting, we will break the 2,000,000 threshhold within three hours. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yea, after my initial prediction, I realized that we just might make it before the official dateline clicks over. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

:::At our current rate, we will pass two million between 23:15 and 23:25 UTC. However, we may accelerate or decelerate depending on things like people getting out of school/work and the fact that it's Friday night. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

::::We've been using MediaWiki since 19:45, 16 July 2004 (UTC) [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1], by the way.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:32, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::But it was locked for the first three weeks to most common folk, right? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::From the date and time listed above until about 17:36, 13 September 2004 (UTC).[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:19, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yay!! Streamers! Balloons! "You are the two millionth visitor! You have won a year's supply of wiki!" Notice it was right in the middle of the window I predicted. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:20, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Yup, nice calculating, Dot Com. That's the closest screen I could get. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:28, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

I know it's kinda late and all, but I just had to do it :)<br>
<center>You're the [[Image:Counter2000000.gif]]th biggest moron, ever.</center>

== Wikipedia article in progress for HRWiki! ==

I've laid the foundation for a [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]] article about HRWiki. It's on my user subpage there until it has enough content to make a complete, non-stub article about it.
Here's the link:
[[Wikipedia:User:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress]] - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: The talk page for discussion of the article can be found here: [[Wikipedia:User talk:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress]]. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Inactive Admins ==
Um... the admins AgentSeeThroo, FortyTwo, FurryKef and Stu are inactive, and some of these are the original 5. They haven't made any contributions in months. What happens when an admin goes inactive? Does he get de-admined after a while? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::Even FurryKef who has done next to nothing since he gained adminship? (I guess there's no reason to de-adminize anyone...) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Yes, even Furrykef. Why are you so concerned about this?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::::The only reason to de-admin someone is if they actually harm the wiki in some way. Otherwise, you might as well leave them admin in case they come back. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::Or if they were to request to be taken off the roster. Then I'm sure JoeyDay would respect their wishes. But I don't think tha'd happen all to often. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:I don't know why I cared so much, I guess its just awkward to me to have inactive admins. (Everything else I've been a major part of got rid of inactive admins.) But I see why NOT to get rid of inactive admins, so I'll just leave it at that. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::Stu may be inactive on the wiki, but he's far from inactive on the forum. Many of our admins do important things around here; they just may not be visible to some of our community members. Others are on hiatus for one reason or another. I guess I'm beating a dead horse now, but there's really no need to de-admin them unless we see suspicious behavior. We have high hopes they'll all return someday. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

== Boy, we must be popular ==

I just happening to notice while trying to find a really good way to explain to a friend just what a wiki exactly is that if you search the web for the word "wiki" on Yahoo! in suggestions for refining your search near the top of the returns page, '''this very wiki''' is listed second and third! Yay! I guess that means we're doing something good. Or at least popular. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:51, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:Wow, that's amazing! I'm surprised something like Wikiquote isn't third. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::Note that we aren't the second result, we are actually the forty-sixth. ACupOfCoffee is just saying that "homestarrunner wiki" is one of the "Also try" links in the results.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I figured that. A lot of people must search for "Homestarrunner wiki" to make that noticible, though. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::Just remember that "We're not just popular, we're pure lowest common denominator"(Quote from Futurama). -[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]]

== Puppet Videos ==

You've just got to check out what I've found...videos of the Chapman's at this convention! It's with this new google feature. -[http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Homestar+Runner&lv=1 Puppet Videos] - [[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 20:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:Those are hilarious! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::Yeah, those are the same ones we link to in the [[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005]] article. Nice snooping though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

::: The SB Voice Vid is cool. Especially the end. [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Count_X Count X]
==Wikipedia==
You wikipedia link system is slightly broken. When you write [[Wikipedia:Homestar Runner]] it points to http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner instead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner. It still works but eventually wikipedia may stop this workaround which so far is being preserved for histrorical reasons. Some discussion occured a couple of weeks ago about whether the old links should be done away with (they decided against it). Your site ought to change to the newer version just in case. [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2005-10-24/Multilingual redirects]] might be enlightening (that's a lot of wikipedia:'s in a row). (~~some guy at wikipedia who also happens to watch HR~~)

:Yeah; I wasn't sure whether that was some kind of provision for people who preferred their 'Pedia in another language. My filtering service, while they have been convinced that they can't very well block "en.wikipedia~", have compromised by blocking "www.wikipedia~" (or maybe it's a relic they've overlooked). Either way, I can't use the links, and have to type in "en" by hand. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

::Fixed. And I see that the [[MetaWikiPedia:Interwiki map|Interwiki map]] was [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interwiki_map&diff=52777&oldid=52776 changed a while ago]. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:56, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Still seems broken. It works on this page but others (I noticed it at [[sb_email_22#Explanations]]) still point to the old url (maybe it's a cache issue though). ~~me again~~
::::Yeah, try a hard refresh. They all said en.wikipedia when I looked at them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== New Halloween Toon... ==

I'm not exactly sure if I'm allowed to post here, because I'm not a real member, but I'd just like someone to know that there is a new Halloween toon, and if someone could update the wiki accordingly... (I'd do it myself, but I'm horrible at Wiki-ing.) Thanks.

- A Guest

:You're certainly allowed to post (and also to [[HRWiki:Introduction|become a member]]!). The page is in progress at [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:36, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:And it is now finished. Please do become a member.{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

==Build a Timeline?==

I got an idea for a page: a complete timeline of every toon. When I first discovered H*R, I wanted to take it chronologically (which helps; e.g. you meet Homsar in the email that explains his name). However, I did it by simply going through the toons one genre at a time, overlooking some, then going through the sbemails from bottom to top. It would be nice to have something that showed where the toons fell in the chronology of sbemails. Aside from helping anyone who might be trying to do the same thing I did, it would be helpful to tell at a glance what predated what.

One difficulty is that some toons are currently labelled only with the month and year, or even just the year, but I imagine some detective work could figure those out.

So what about it, guys? Is it worth doing? And if so, what should I call it? [[Timeline]]? [[Chronology]]? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

:Don't we already have a timeline? How is that different from [[H*R.com updates 2005|H*R.com updates]]? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:01, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

::Hm... no, you're right, that's exactly what I was thinking of. It only goes back to sbemail #7, though; I guess I might make it a long-term goal to do some detective work on the release dates of the earliest days and update it. But not today! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:08, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

:::See also [[Talk:H*R.com updates 2001]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Yea, sadly that was the best I could come up with for certain (I used [http://www.livejournal.com/community/homestar_runner/2003/ livejournals], and a bit of [http://www.fark.com/ fark]). The one thing further we could do, would be to estimate many of the other toons and main pages, such as the Halloween toons being C. October 31st, 2000, ect. But for those, I think it would be best to use C, to denote 'circa' or 'about', and perhaps B and A for before and after a certain date, if that becomes applicable. That too though, could only go so far. We won't be able to guess everything, just anything reasonable, probably mostly holiday toons. I'll try and get on it later if I have time, you're welcome to start it up too if you want. 2002 and 2003 are pretty much totally finished, maybe a bit of 2002 could be done, but 2001 and 2000 could use some guestimation. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

===Live Journals Side Note:===
If you go to the livejournals site, you'll notice the topics and subjects slowly grow over 2001, 2002, and 2003, but by 2004 they start to shrink again, around the time of the Wiki's creation. Now they're just about back to the state they were in in 2002. It could just be a coincidence, or the Wiki may have just about replaced the use of the livejournals site. Also if you look at any subjects about 'what happened when' type questions, they usually end with something along the lines of 'you know we have a wiki... Right?' Although it does still have a nice exchange of various H*R type avatars and stuff, and cool news such as [http://www.ccawards.com/2004.htm this]. I even found Tom making a visit over there, letting them know about our 2005 pledge drive. Anyways, there's my big contribution to discussion for the day. I'ma go to bed now, probably. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:15, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:I did that? Why don't I remember doing that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:02, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::Whups, my bad. I meant IJ. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:38, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff ==

Why is the fanstuff down? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 04:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:Works for me. What errors are you getting?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:27, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
::Nevermind. It works now. :){{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 04:28, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

== Animal Commentary Clip ==

I took a sound byte from the Animal commentary and uploaded it on [http://www.putfile.com/ putfile] is it okay for me to post the link?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 01:46, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
:How much is it? Is it just the word "wiki"? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
::It's:<br>
<blockquote>
'''MIKE:'''Oh, we messed up here, like, he says "segmented eyes," but he actually has compound eyes.<br>

'''MATT:''' Ohhh.<br>

'''MIKE:''' Read that on the wiki.<br>

'''MATT:''' Good job.<br>

'''MIKE:''' Goofs.<br>

'''MATT:''' Goofs. That's a total goof. Str-<br>
</blockquote>
and then it cuts off.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 01:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, post it. I don't think it'll be a problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::If you want to link to it from a Talk page or something, just for the purposes of our users having a listen, that would be fine. But I don't think that's something you need to upload to the Wiki and/or put in an article.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:08, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh, I won't upload it. I'll post a link on the Animal talk page, and maybe on the email page, if I find a place for it.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
::::It might just be me, but I don't feel comfortable posting a soud file from a DVD on the wiki. I am also fairly uncomfortable with putting a ink up too. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fan Costumes ==

There is a new Halloween Fan Costumes thing. I already made the page. Somebody make it please:
[[More Halloween Costumes]]

== Editing the main page ==

Noticed that the message scroll on the main page includes "Messenger Bag Sale!", which links to a subpage on the [[Store]] that is not currently linked from the Store main page. The button leads to [http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/messengerbags1.html this page]. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, KieferSkunk, you ''can'' edit the what's new panel. Just go [[Template:whatsnew|here]]. Don't forget to update the [[H*R.com updates 2005|main updates page]] as well, if it hasn't been already. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

::Although some pages may LOOK like they're protected, some are only protected from moves, [[H*R.com updates 2005]] included. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 14:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Well, most users don't have the "protect/unprotect" tab at the top, so they don't see any difference. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:23, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::But we DO see "View Source" insted of "Edit". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Hmm... I think they should fix that with the next minor upgrade. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:03, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Why it should be fixed? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Because if you can edit a page, it should read "edit" at the top, not "view source". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:29, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Noo.. "view source" is just for protected pages. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:38, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Then you're giving conflicting reports here. If you go to [[H*R.com updates 2005]], which is protected from being moved but not from being edited, do you see "edit" or "view source"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::I see "View Source" on the Main Page, but I do see "Edit" on the Updates page. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::On pages protected from editing, I see "view source". On pages protected from moves, the "move" tag is missing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::Good. That's how it should be. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, my problem with the Main Page was that there was no visible way for me to edit the What's New section. I couldn't see any indication that I had edit access to that page at all, until Dot Com pointed me to the template. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:44, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::That's intentional. We tried having a link to edit the what's new section, but it just got repeatedly vandalized. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::Okay, then - where do I go to find the edit links for the individual templates, in case I find something to edit in the future? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::The template to edit the ''What's new?'' section on the main page is found at the bottom of the list of '''Templates used on this page:''' when you edit it. But please, it's not for general pruning. Only for actualy updates of the site. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Also, KieferSkunk, the template you use is the one [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:whatsnew&diff=193665&oldid=193214 you used before], if that helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:48, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Figured that. :) I meant in a general sense, how do I get to the templates without knowing the direct link. That helps. Thanks. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:23, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::Plus a shortcut I always use, just click 'view source' on the main page, and below the source code box there should be links to all the Templates for that page. Same goes for if you edit a page, they're all right below the 'Save Page', 'Show Preview' buttons. That's what they're there for, so you can easily edit the templates on a page, without having to go searching all over for them. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::Yeah, I mentioned that. It works well. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Oh whups, my bad. Guess I should have carefully read the thread first. I tend to skim when it gets this long. Yea, Lapper already covered it. Nothing wrong with emphasis though... :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:22, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== Official Forum ==

Hello. I need help getting on the Official Forum. Okay, here's the deal: I activated my account, I got the email, I sent out the email I needed to send out, and I still can't log in. What do I do now? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 19:46, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:I just replied to you on your talk page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

== What Happened? ==

Why was the Wiki down for a little bit?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 03:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:We had some problems with a [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]]. Our quick-thinking servermaster suspended our account as a countermeasure.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

What happened '''this ''' time? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:27, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:I believe it was another DOS attack... It happened last time this bot attacked. It's not very fun, is it? Takes a serious chunk outta my day... I spend, like, 75% or more of my time on the wiki. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Boy is that sad. I spend about 99% of ''my'' time on the wiki. And the 1% is for eating. But I don't think bots can manage to shut down the entire wiki. Odd. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

== Editing glitch ==

Today I was going on the wiki, but I wasn't signed in. Now, I want to edit something, but it said I had to log in to do that! What in Pete Sanders is going on here? [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

We had the ultimant troll attack. The troll used tons of IPs, so we had to block annony edits. We should be able to allow annony edits soon. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:If you'd like to read more on this subject, you might want to check out [[HRWiki:Da Basement#Log in to edit]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

''{standing with mouth hanging open}'' Uhh... how the hell did somebody do that? That's crazy! It seems like a megatroll attacked! I'm juist kinda at a loss for for words right now. That really is quite the troll we're dealin' with here. {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 15:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

EDIT: That's Pete Sampras, not Pete Sanders. And you spelled ultimate wrong. {{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 15:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Darklinkskywalker, please don't post simply to point out spelling errors of other users. I'm not even going to tell anyone that you might have spelled "just" incorrectly. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 16:49, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, we are dealing with quite the troll right now. Is it that same "----- stole my cow" person/bot, or an entirely new troll? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 16:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::What motivates a troll? One motivation is '''Attention Seeking'''. Lately, these types of trolls have been using profanity. They love it when other users talk about their actions. Therefore, I suggest we halt discussing this issue on the Main Page Talk Page. Thank you. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 16:58, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== H*R down? ==

Is this just me, or is the H*R website down? --[[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 18:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's not just you. It seems down on my end too. I wonder why...? Perhaps they're adding something new and amazing...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Same, but I wasn't sure if I should mention it or not. Anybody have any clue? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 18:05, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::We may have caught the site in the small period of downtime required to update the site. I can't wait to see if it's a new 'toon or something. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::It is just slow with me. If you use dial up, try waiting longer. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::'Tis working again. At least, for me. And no new toons or anything. :-( {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 18:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Still down for me. --[[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 18:19, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::It's working for me, but just a lttle slow.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 18:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::It's down again for me. It's the Cannot Find Server page, and it's not a flash cartoon (I just wanted to check). Maybe it is something that they're putting up, but it's huge, so they had to take it down, like the [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer|PQ Movie Trailer]]. Just a guess. Or it could be a problem with the new sbemail. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:42, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Never mind. It's up again, just slow. It keeps saying "one item remaining". -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:43, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::I know, it's '''REALLY''' slow. I think they're either trying to put a a big file like you said, or just lots 'o peps are trying to get on.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 21:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I got the Strong Bad Email page loaded, and there are no links to any emails at all. It's just blank (although there is a more button). Something is definately going on. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:52, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::Now I can't get on at all. It was trying to load Main Page 7 for over 15 minutes. Something '''''is''''' going on. No doubt about it. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I just got to the Sbemail page really quick and nothings new. Just a little bit ago I had Bubsty's problem. Hmmm..--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 22:11, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Back up for me. And running at normal speed! Nothin' new, apparently.-[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 22:37, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::just kidding. It's back down again. I'm just going to check back tomorrow. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 22:51, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Back again. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 00:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Not working for me still. I sent an e-mail to TBC asking what was going on. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's down again. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 01:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
It's still up, just ''rrll rrll'' slow. I just downloaded [[Cool Things]], and it took about 7 minutes to download, but it did finish. Whenever a server is that slow, some requests time out - it's not a case of the server going up or coming down, rather just the luck of the draw whether it gets to you before the ISP gives up. The symptoms are (to my eye) consistent with a server under heavy load - though why would the load to homestarrunner.com increase so dramatically, and without an update, too? Maybe the same people who were attacking us are now attacking them? (NB: keep in mind this is speculation) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:This isnt good, I cant goof off and watch emails while writing my social studies essay!--{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:08, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:Aw... poor Burger King. But yeah, it ''is'' working now, just ''real,'' '''''real''''' slow. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Y'know, it could just be that their webhost is having trouble today, too. :P - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 02:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::Brilliant, now the wiki is acting really slow too. This happening to anyone else? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Its happening to me too Bubsty, your not alone. --{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:41, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::GAH!! It's happening again! It took about 5 minutes for me to be able to edit this page! Wiki... too... slow! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::It's probably that NSMC troll at the fanstuff wiki again.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:14, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== HELP!!! ==
The Fanstuff Wiki is being attacked by the same guys that attacked this place a few days ago. HELP!!! - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm on it man. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:51, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::For as long as I can..--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 03:01, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I got a hold of Tom and he suspended anonymous editing and new user registration. Next time, please be calm and don't flood Tom or Recent Changes with all-caps alerts after other users have tried to notify. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:35, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yes guys, please. One message here and/or on Tom's talk page was enough. (which I had made) - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Slowdown ==
Is it just me, or is the wiki server going ''really'' slow? Like, almost too slow to do anything? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:08, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

:It's pretty slow for me too right now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hey... it ''just'' returned to normal... weird. Hope it stays like this. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:27, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::And now it's back to slow... Wonder what's up with it? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::"Well, I found the problem. Looks like somebody tried to cram-a-lam a Swiss Cake Roll into the disk drive." {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::No, seriously, it's happenin to me too. It takes like, 5 minutes just to edit my page. Boy the wiki is havin problems. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yeah i've had to wait about 10 mins to move from the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Episode_V._The_DoS_strikes_back.3F|discussion i was going to start]] to this place. It seems to me we're being targeted by a DoS attack as well. Can anyone confirm this? My guess is that they're using the [[Special:Recentchanges|Database features]] that are still available to anonymous users to slow things down by overburdening the system with queries. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I believe that the troll is currently targeting the fanstuff wiki. Even though he's blocked the constant accessing of pages, even though the vandalism is failing, is causing slowdown. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 02:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
It's not slow for me anymore. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:33, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:Never mind, it's slow again. Ugh this is getting me mad. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::In a bizarre plot twist, even the Big Wiki seems to be slow for me. Can the Wikian Bird Flu Pandemic be upon us? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Odd, wikipedia isn't slow to me. But this place... fanstuff seems slow too. Brilliant. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 03:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Why did you jkust repeat what you said in a previous topic. The Wiki and FW are fine for me, ''just H*R.'' [[User:Count X|Count X]]

== H*R Down... again. ==
I tried playing PQ, and it gave me the <s>deuce</s> Cannot access crap. [[User:Count X|Count X]]
:Odd... Peasant's Quest, and everything else, is runnin' just fine for me. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::And how long ago was it when you were on?[[User:Count X|Count X]]
:::I'd say not but a minute after you posted your message. I always like to check such, if I can. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::I was playin peasants quest today in 6th period and it was working fine. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== Guided Tour ==

Wikicities has a feature that lets people [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Wikicities:Wikicities_tour/List_of_wikis_in_this_tour tour different wikis] to get to know their feel and the way that wikis in general work. It might be helpful to new users if we added a tour to the [[HRWiki:Introduction|Introduction]] pages. It could help show people pages like how a page for a toon looks, how a gallery page looks (eg. [[Characters]]), [[STUFF]], etc. It would be a good way to show new users all the different types of pages on the wiki and help get them into it faster. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 02:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:From what I can tell, it's just a series of subpages that uses [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Template:Wikicities_tour a template] to include certain pages and has a "next" type button. If you want to try it out, go for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:: I made the tour. It can be found [[HRWiki:HRWiki tour|Here]]. I just need to figure out where to put it. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 14:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:That was a very enjoyable tour. Good work, AtionSong. :) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of tours, I think we ought to have a tour bus stop on the [http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TourBus Meatball Wiki TourBus system]. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

: Why? It relates nothing at all to the wiki, and it will not help new members on the site with anything. Unless there's something that I'm mising here. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 18:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

::It looks like a tour of all possible wiki's. It helps the wiki by giving it exposure to people who have never heard of it before. Plus, meatballs are yummy (unless you don't eat meat). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:29, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Merge Crazy ==
Don't you think we're going a little crazy with merging things like random food items and companies and such? Are small pages so bad? I'm fine with having stuff from one general location merged, such as radio stations from [[radio]] and made up animals from [[animal]], and even [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] simply because there's so many that they're almost an inside joke, but I sort of liked all those various food, company, etc pages lying around. Although there are some drawbacks, they're easier to link to and distinguish on seperate pages. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 04:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Food_Still_In_Peel_or_Package&diff=prev&oldid=204850 Yes] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wood-davers&diff=prev&oldid=204862 yes]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::And don't forget [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk:The_Stick&diff=204834&oldid=204818 this]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I sencond that! I was even thinking about making links to each of the items in the Minor Companies page but I couldn't remember how. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Hmm... Well I would have appreciated some [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AMinor_Companies&diff=204161&oldid=204158 feedback at the time of the happening], instead of now, once it's all done. Everybody that's contributed to this thread was also at [[Talk:Minor Companies|the discussion for the catalyst]] yet nobody voiced this level of concern at that time. I suppose it was a somewhat hasty decision to merge them though. It could be reverted again, but I think some standards are desperately needed. At the very least, the redirects are all still there. But if the general feeling is to keep them seperate, then I guess I'll go back and split 'em up again. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I hear ya, T-bird. Those articles have been merged yet [[Hamburger Shampoo]] remains intact. To reiterate what Leith just said: '''some standards are desperately needed'''. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 07:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Such is the beauty of a wiki: anything changed can easily be changed back, eh? It's easier to see it in retrospect, however, and I think what we did might be okay, although the bit about standards is very true. But we needn't go absolutely nuts with it. Eventually, everything will be on one superhuge page and internal linking will be nearly dead. Click here for <span style="cursor:pointer;"><font color=blue><u>The Entire Content of H*R</u></font></span>, eh? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::I bet a lot of people would have liked to give input but (1) this is a holiday week, and (2) the time between the proposal and the implementation of the project was just a few hours. When someone proposes major changes like this, no action should be taken for ''days'', not hours. And here in the case of the merged pages, after the first page was done, there should have been time to give feedback to consider whether we wanted to make even more sweeping changes. As a comparison, consider that nearly all STUFF items stay open for at least four days, ususally a week. The more controversial ones stay open two weeks. And when we were deciding whether to implement the current STUFF system, the discussion went on for more than a ''month''. So I ask you, what's the rush? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I think it was too hasty. For one, I was busy with the Fanstuff Wiki's problems at the time. Anyway, I personally think that things should be merged into one page when they all follow the same theme. Things such as [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]], [[Virus Character Variations]] and [[Made Up Strong Bad Animals]] are good merges. But things like stuff in [[Minor Foods]]... some of those pages had plenty of content. The only thing that connects stuff like Staple Sauce and Super Mud is that they are food and that only appeared once. Is just because something only appeared once or twice mean it has to share space with all the others that have similar atributes? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Just in case it is on anyone's mind, I just wanted to state for the record that there is absolutely no technical reason for having things in one page. Some like to toss around words like "bandwidth" and "space constraints" sometimes, but I want to make very clear that these things should never be a deciding factor when it comes to merging pages.
::::::I happen to have no problem at all with smaller-type articles and have never really liked the longer type pages that group things. I mean, we clearly don't need an article for each individual [[Floppy Disk Container]] or [[Halloween Costumes|Halloween Costume]], but if a page has even a little good content (a few sentences) and can be linked to from at least one article, then our category system should be taking care of the grouping.
::::::I could go on for a bit about how I don't like it when people talk about other small articles when a separate article is being discussed for deletion or merging, but I don't think this is the time or place for that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I will now supply an alphabetical list of all articles that I thought shouldn't have been merged. This is just my opinion, so I'll just stick it out to see the response.
:::::* [[Minor Companies]]
:::::* [[Minor Foods]]
:::::* [[Other Character Variations]]
:::::* [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]
:::::And that's all I can think of right now. I think the seperate characters/places/things of those articles could have their own page. Opinions? Agreements? Disagreements? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 00:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::I agree with you on all those, Joshua. Particularly the first three... Some of the ones on [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] I like having there, but I don't like having "Place" there... Weird, yes? But it was just easy to link a quote when you're done talking to someone... Just put "Now I'm going to go... [[Place]]". 'Cept now it's a redirect thing. It's a dumb reason, yes, and shouldn't really be considered in the discussion. But it's the idea behind it that I really mean: these things link all over the place. Piping links and adding <nowiki>#</nowiki>s to the code isn't hard, but it's easier to just make a separate page. Anyway, that's all the disjointed thoughts I can pull out of my head right now. I'll think of more later. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::I agree, I agree. Let's just ease up on the merging peoples. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::In the hopes that Joshua's comment is not simply a comment but the start of a discussion about actually reverting some merges, I agree that Companies, Foods, and Places (including "Place") should be de-merged. With the character variations I'm not sure; did all of those have their own page before? I certainly don't think all of them should.
::::::To add to the discussion of the legitimacy of merging: no, bandwidth or space constraints are not valid reasons. What are? Well, the only real motivations I can think of would be an aesthetic aversion to "short" articles (which I don't share; if it's more than two sentences I say let it stay) '''AND''' the motivation of ease of access. When items are on the same page, two things happen: '''you see them''', even if you hadn't been looking for them, and it's easy to compare them. One drawback in the wiki format is that we have a lot of interesting pages that might never get noticed because no one clicks through to them. So if an article contains fairly important information but someone would be unlikely to seek it out by name, it might actually be an argument ''for'' merging. And in cases where the entries on the page are highly related, merging is good for comparisons: you can look at the [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig Costumes]] and see that exactly 5 are inspired by TV shows while 3 are inspired by movies and 2 by video games. There isn't much need, however, to compare Boardelectrix with Freshley's. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Well, that's pretty much the job of lists, such as [[Places]] and [[Characters]]. To let you browse through various articles (with minimal information distracting or overwhelming you) so that you can find the one you want or see an interesting article that you hadn't considered looking for and read it. Also, many, but not all, of the "Other Character Variations" had pages before merging, and several minor variations that were just as big are sitting around with their own pages, seperated from the merged articles. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Translation ==

This has probably been asked before/been done, but has any of the wiki pages been dubbed in any other languages? If not, we could Babelfish them, or something. --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 12:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:Rule #1:<br>
<center>'''NEVER. USE. MACHINE. TRANSLATION.'''</center><br>
:Unless you want our pages to sound like cutscenes in [[Stinkoman 20X6]]. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Although I do believe that [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] himself is making a Homestar Runner Wiki site in Hebrew. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 14:58, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, he's just making a Homestar Runner page on the Hebrew Wikipedia. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:: For example, if you take the first sentence on the [[Homestar Runner]] page, '''''Homestar Runner (middle name Michael, or possibly Hal) is the star of the show, but he probably doesn't realize it.''''', and translate it to German, you get '''''Homestar Läufer (mittlerer Name Michael oder vielleicht Hal) ist der Stern des Erscheinens, aber er vermutlich verwirklicht es nicht.'''''. But if you translate that same sentence back from German to English, it becomes '''''Homestar Runner (middle name Michael or perhaps Hal) is the star of the appearance, but he probably does not carry out it.''''' <small>Done through the [http://www.dictionary.com Dictionary.com translator]</small> -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 16:13, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, but you won't be making a game of translating German to English will you? Ich spekkin deutch, but I don't try to translate german into English. Also translating the wiki would make it more international. --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 16:27, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::::But the cartoons themselves are in English, not other languages. I think that's the key bit. If they can understand the cartoons, they're likely to understand the wiki. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I thought about it several times. Technically speaking, I can translate almost everything on the site, exept for the transcripts. But as said, the toons are in English, and if you can't get the toons, don't try to get the wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:Heh, I've always had it in the back of my mind as a project, ever since the move to MediaWiki. I'd love to be a part of helping introduce non-English speaking people to Homestar Runner, but the big problem is that the toons themselves are in English.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:12, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

::Haha, I wonder if [[TBC]] would let us dub 'em. I could see it now...

'''Asilo Cstrella Alfil:''' Aiy Ninguna! Le Wrestleman!<br>
'''Fuerte Podrido:''' Espíritu Excremento...

(That coming from a guy who doesn't speak Spanish at all, and just used a translation site) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:44, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, it seems to me that if you can't dub the cartoons, it'll be somewhat useless to transcribe them, as it's hard to read along a toon with a transcript. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I have with me the first draft of the Hebrew translated [[First Time Here?]] that I made while I was bored in civil class. Want to see it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:Sure.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 04:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

::After school. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I'd be able to translate stuff into Swedish... I can speak that. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Oh, this is funny. Using the computer, I translated "Homestar Runner is like, the coolest thing in the world. It is not even funny how cool he is," into French. It came out: "Le coureur de Homestar est comme, la chose la plus fraîche au monde. Il n'est pas même drôle comme il frais est." Then, translating that back to English, it came out as "The runner of Homestar is like, the freshest thing in the world. It is not even funny as it fresh is." I thought that was just hilarious. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:56, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Just for fun, I wondered what would happen if you tried to translate a simple sentance using that thing back and forth, how long it would take until it finally gave you same result over and over again. This is how far it went:

'''ENGLISH:''' Ah, the joys of translating back and forth using a computer.<br>
'''GERMAN:''' Amperestunde, die Freuden am Übersetzen einen Computer hin und her verwendend.<br>
'''ENGLISH:''' Ampere-hour, the joys in translating a computer back and forth using.<br>
'''GERMAN:''' Amperestunde, die Freuden, wenn ein hin und her verwendender Computer übersetzt wird.<br>
'''ENGLISH:''' Ampere-hour, the joys, if a back and forth using computer is translated.<br>
'''GERMAN:''' Amperestunde, die Freuden, wenn ein verwendender hin- und hercomputer übersetzt wird.<br>
'''ENGLISH:''' Ampere-hour, the joys, if a using and computer are translated.<br>
'''GERMAN:''' Amperestunde, die Freuden, wenn ein Verwenden und ein Computer übersetzt werden.<br>
'''ENGLISH:''' Ampere-hour, the joys, if using and a computer are translated.<br>

Just out of curiosity, [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]], is the final result unreadable in German too? (In a completely unrelated observance, it seemed to me as though the Wiki was really slow today, with only around 400 edits in total. Guess it slows down for the big T, eh)? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Ok, here it is:

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! English !! Hebrish!! Hebrew
|-
| CLAPPER LOADER: Homestarrunner dot com welcome speech, Take 1.
| Neum brukhim habaim shel Homestar Runner nekuda com, take rishon.
| נאום ברוכים הבאים של הומסטאר ראנר נקודה קום, טייק ראשון.
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Action!
| Action!
| אקשן!
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, hello! Welcome to Homestarrunner.net.
| Oh, shalom! Brukhim habaim leHomestar Runner nekuda net.
| או, שלום! ברוכים הבאים להומסטאר ראנר נקודה נט.
|-
| CHERRY GREG: It's "dot com".
| Ze "nekuda com".
| זה "נקודה קום".
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, right. Homestarrunner dot net. "Its dot com!"
| Oh, nakhon. Homestar Runner nekuda net. "Ze nekuda com!"
| או, נכון. הומסטאר ראנר נקודה נט. "זה נקודה קום!"
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Cut!
| Cut!
| קאט!
|}
:{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:22, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

For the heck of it... in spanish!
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! English !! Spanish
|-
| CLAPPER LOADER: Homestarrunner dot com welcome speech, Take 1.
| Cargador de la chapaleta: Discurso de bienvendia para Homestarrunner punto com, toma 1.
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Action!
| Greg de la cereza: ¡Acción!
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, hello! Welcome to Homestarrunner.net.
| Homestar Runner: ¡Oh, hola! Bienvenidos a Homestarrunner punto net.
|-
| CHERRY GREG: It's "dot com".
| Es "punto com".
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, right. Homestarrunner dot net. "Its dot com!"
| Oh, sí. Homestarrunner punto net, "es punto com."
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Cut!
| ¡Corte!
|}
:Wow. This looks strange to me (some of the words I couldn't remember well, so I used the translation software and it gave me answers in a different dialect from mine). I decided not to translate Homestar Runner, a lot of shows translated into spanish do that. I didn't even try to tranlsate his name... (ok I ran it through the translation software but ick!) Oh man, if any of you have heard american shows dubbed in spanish you'll notice that it's always ''the same voice actors for all of the shows!'' You get to recognize their voices pretty well (and they're so off from what the original voices sound like). I can picture it now... Strongbad having this droopy, dull sounding voice! Wow. Oh! yeah and the funniest thing would be the segment in spanish! You'd probably have to translate that back to english:
::'''Homestar Runner''': ''Welcome to Homestarrunner.com. Do you know Michael? Yes! we are very good friends— He is... ''
::'''Greg de la cereza''': ''¡Español!''
:Oh man! Dubbing is so weird. Oh yes and if you wanna know, the translation for ''Homestar Runner'' would be something like: ''Corredor de la casa estrella.'' Which word for word is: ''Runner of the house star'' (starhouse). Enjoy! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:54, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:Also notice that the line I quoted above actually has Homestar Saying more than what is written in the transcript (he's voiced over by Cherry Greg). It's bothered me for a while, but I myself had a hard time making it out, but I beleive I can now fix that with some time, patience, and those looping soundclips that have proved every so useful (I gotta start making them myself.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:01, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

And just for fun:<br>
'''English:''' All right, that's it! We need to get you some serious clown care, man!<br>
'''Dutch:''' ''Al recht, dat het! Wij moeten u krijgen wat ernstige clownzorg, mens!''<br>
'''Back to English:''' Already right, which it! We must get you what serious clownzorg, people!<br>
{{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I think I would literally burst if I didn't get this out of my systen. That said, it's not any translation we would need.
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! English !! 1337
|-
| CLAPPER LOADER: Homestarrunner dot com welcome speech, Take 1.
| <nowiki>(14993|2 104|)3|2: |-|0|\/|354|2|2|_||\||\|3|2 |)07 (0|\/| \/\/31(0|\/|3 5933(|-|, 74|<3 0|\|3.</nowiki>
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Action!
| <nowiki>(|-|3|2|2`/ 6|236: 4(710|\|!</nowiki>
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, hello! Welcome to Homestarrunner.net.
| <nowiki>|-|0|\/|354|2 |2|_||\||\|3|2: 0|-|, |-|3110! \/\/31(0|\/|3 70 |-|0|\/|354|2|2|_||\||\|3|2.|\|37.</nowiki>
|-
| CHERRY GREG: It's "dot com".
| <nowiki>(|-|3|2|2`/ 6|236: 17'5 "|)07 (0|\/|".</nowiki>
|-
| HOMESTAR RUNNER: Oh, right. Homestarrunner dot net. "Its dot com!"
| <nowiki>|-|0|\/|354|2 |2|_||\||\|3|2: 0|-|, |216|-|7. |-|0|\/|354|2|2|_||\||\|3|2.|\|37. "17'5 |)07 (0|\/|!".</nowiki>
|-
| CHERRY GREG: Cut!
| <nowiki>(|-|3|2|2`/ 6|236: (|_|7!</nowiki>
|}

— {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== NSMC is at it again ==

I know why the server is slow this time. This is from the IRC channel from about an hour ago.

<blockquote>
NSMS (n=NSMC@adsl-96-212-36-203.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has joined #hrwiki [7 users]<br>
<NSMC> haldo<br>
NSMS (n=NSMC@adsl-96-212-36-203.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net) has quit IRC (Client Quit)[6 users]
</blockquote>

I hope next time we can pick that stuff up and lock the detabase or something. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:08, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps we shouldn't jump to any conclusions until we're sure of two things: first, that this is the actual NSMC troll, and not an impersonator, as well as that he is currently affecting the [http://beta.fellowsites.org Fellowsites] server. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

EDIT CONFLICT: AH-HA! We may have just discovered the vandal's ISP! HRWiki +1, NSMC -1. We're one step closer to finding out his real ip address and getting anony editing turned back on. (Ar least I hope we are.) {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}}

::Well, here's the chronollogy of things: (Talking in UTC time): On 10:21 he logged on, haldo and logged off in a metter of exactly 20 seconds. On about 11:20 when I made the transcript I was experiencing the first slowness, exactly one hour after. If this is not one frigging coincidence, I don't know what is. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Uh. And if my post say "about an hour ago" and it's not, it's because it took me so much time to post this thing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Is this why I woke up and had 4,868 emails in my inbox this morning? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Yep. Some users got them, some didn't. If you are a one of those who were spammed, please post your name here! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::I had the same thing happen, except not as bad. I'm still counting and deleting duplicates. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 17:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Spammed - completely filled up my webspace, with quota warnings. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yeah... I had about 600 emails from a hrwiki admon... {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 17:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

'''4 EDIT CONFLICTS LATER:''' Well, whoever that person is, he's just gone from being merely annoying to outright breaking the law. My email box and webspace were COMPLETELY full this morning due to the flood of "password reminder" emails I just got overnight (Eudora is still downloading them). This crap really ain't funny. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Some info: I used [http://www.dnsstuff.com dnsstuff.com] to look up a couple of the IP addresses, and they're based in other countries. Here's the list I came up with:

* 139.80.38.132 = grant.design.otago.ac.nz (New Zealand)
* 210.100.138.124 = Resolves to South Korea, but I can't get a specific answer
* 211.115.69.146 = Resolves to South Korea, but I can't get a specific answer
* 211.249.118.252 = Resolves to South Korea, but I can't get a specific answer
* 212.138.64.174 = cache4-2.jed.isu.net.sa (Saudi Arabia)

There were plenty more IPs that showed up in the massive email spam. Evidently, NSMC can either spoof a lot of IPs, or he has rootkits installed all over the world. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:Look at the log from IRC. Could this be his real IP? Could he be that careless? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

::It's possible, but unlikely - the guy could get on the IRC from virtually anywhere. I've dealt with quite a few IRC-based DDOS attacks in my time. :P {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:::So... What am I supposed to do with all these emails in the meantime? Are they at all useful for foiling this guy? Did they really change my password? Anything? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::If anything holds true, your password is only changed if you sign in using that new password. So don't, and you should be fine. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Good-good. So I can start deleting 'em? Or d'you want me to sort through them for IPs? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::::Heh. If you want to, sure. Although I doubt we'll be finding out his real IP any time soon. On the other hand, any new ones we find could be blocked beforehand. Hmmmm... — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I'm sure it isn't required to search for IP addresses. If we are... then i'm in big doo-doo. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 18:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

'''Edit conflict''' Well, now I'm *relieved* about my only getting 472 password reminders. Heh, *only* 472. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:11, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Yeah, I'm not about to read through '''4,868''' emails. I'll just offer the one I opened to tell my friend about it. It's a heck of a thing to wake up and find, lemme tell ya. Anyways, the address is 211.249.118.252. Hope that'll help, even a little. Now then... A-deleting I will go. This is gonna take a while... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::::::Awwww man, I guess I wasn't spam worthy... Oh well. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:24, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You want some of mine? I have plenty to spare. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::I got about twenty of 'em. No biggie. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Do you think it's random? Or does anybody see a pattern? What if some user who registered two years ago and made one edit, got two jillion emails every two jillion seconds? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know... Random's my bet. But in other news, my email inbox is devoid of all spam now... That was a chore. .-. And one I don't fancy doing again. I bet I have a record, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I wish I'd read about this earlier. I just logged in to my email to find 447 password reminders. What really freaked me out about it was that some were from the Fanstuff Wiki, where I don't have an account (or at least, don't think I do). I found this IP address in the Fanstuff emails: 200.226.137.13, and this in the normal Wiki emails: 212.138.64.177. Could we temporarily disable password reminders, or has he/she/it stopped? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 19:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::We have to consider also what restrictions we're willing to live with for how long. You're proposing a situation in which you have to log in to edit and if you forget you're password... you're screwed? The block on new user registration has been up for some time now, and I'd like to emphasize that I '''don't''' consider it a liveable solution, and I hope even as a "temporary" measure it doesn't last long. Yes, people can e-mail Tom and ask, but that's not advertised and would turn shy users away.
:::It's beginning to sound like it would be ''impossible'' to ultimately find the real IP. We have to decide what we'll do then. Elitism is very un-wiki, and I hope we can find a way to avoid simply being a closed community of H*R experts displaying their knowledge for an excluded public. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Here here! I'm now more motivated to work on the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions|ideas]] I proposed. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:50, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::'''Edit Conflict''' My guess is I got 2853 emails, give or take a few. My ip's were mostly 200.226.137.13 and 200.226.137.11. But I got tons more (likely 48 distinct addresses, each sending exactly 61 emails -- save a couple who got 8 and 38). Gmail is awesome! Gmail is weird! ... Personally, I hope this person goofed and really logged in using his/her own IP address on the IRC. I don't see it being a far cry to ask one of the administrators of these proxies to check to see if they have connections from that IP address in their logs. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I recommend letting registered users who are already logged in change their passwords back. Because right now, I won't be able to log back in (I don't know which password is right, I keep getting more!) -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I had no problem resetting my password back to my normal one. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Oh, you're right. I got it. Never mind. I guess I'm pretty lucky, anyway. Only '''61''' emails. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 21:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::'''Edit Conflict x2''' No, no, no. Remember what Lapper said:
::::::<blockquote>If anything holds true, your password is only changed if you sign in using that new password. So don't, and you should be fine. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)</blockquote>
:::::As long as you use your original password you'll be able to log in just fine, just don't use any of the passwords sent to you. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

:::It's good to know that others are having the same problem as I, but I "only" got 21 "reminders". the IPs were as follows:
::::211.115.69.146 (x15) – Unresolved (South Korea)
::::139.80.38.132 – grant.design.otago.ac.nz (New Zealand)
::::210.100.138.124 – Unresolved (South Korea)
::::212.138.64.176 (x2) – cache6-2.jed.isu.net.sa (Saudi Arabia)
::::202.128.231.209 – Unresolved (Hong Kong)
::::211.249.118.252 – Unresolved (South Korea)
:::[[User:Gus|Gus]] 23:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd go through my 279 password reminder emails and get all the IPs out of them but there wouldn't be anything there that isn't already in the server logs, right? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::5:30: Bubsty notices that fanstuff is under attack, looks at main page to see what everyones talking about. See's a lot of people got spam in their e-mail. Checks his e-mail. See's about 10,000 password reminders. Brilliant. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:I actually only got 19 emails, not a lot to look through, but no, I don't think there would be anything new in there that wouldn't be listed already. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Um... I have a problem. I can't delete any of the spam. HELP! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Can't delete the spam? Why not? What program are you using? If you are able to join the IRC channel I am there now and I can help you. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I checked my email. There wasn't a singal new email. I just don't know what's wrong. Oh, and if Tom can here me, I say there should be no new user. Never, ever, plever, JEVER, JIBNEY! JHKJAJSKAJKH. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 02:29, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::H*R 700, if there are never any new users, the wiki will slowly die out. Plus it won't exactly be a "wiki" in its fullest. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I recieved 184 password reminders from this wiki, plus 36 from the fanstuff wiki, for a grand total of 220. Not too bad, eh? {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 03:36, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I got 102 emails from 210.100.138.124's antics. (102? What is this, a list of [[boring (really)|three-letter words]]?) [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 04:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Luckily for me, I was checking my email the time it struck so I could block it at only 74 emails! But it was rising by about two every second! <:o - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 05:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== Password Problem ==

Okay. Here's my problem. I got '''324 emails''' some from fanstuff, some from here and they all say that I clicked the 'email me a new password' button, when I haven't got on the wiki all day! I don't thing the IP Adress is even right. I'm still logged in, but that's because I haven't logged out yet. Somebody help.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Psst: Bkmlb: Read the previous conversation. --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 23:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Sahm

2005-11-29T05:16:18Z

Sahm: its ok now

User:Sahm

2005-11-28T10:11:26Z

Sahm: what the crap happened!?

__NOTOC__
I hate to be a pain but could tell me '''''WHY THE CRAP DID THIS WIKI SEND MY ABOUT 70+ EMAILS IN A FEW SECONDS ABOUT HOW I LOST MY PASSWORD!?''''' The emails kept coming at about 1 every second! I had to count the address as spam before my inbox overflowed! Please answer on my [[User_talk:Sahm|talk page]].

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<blockquote class=email>
a> sahms_userpage.exe
<br>
<br>

<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
<br>

<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
<br>

<div><s>Cont</s><font color=#ff1111>rib</font><s>ution</s><font color=red>s</font></div>
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
<br>

<div>Merchandice</div>
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
<br>

<div>Guest Book</div>

#<sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}</sup>
#{{User:bkmlb/sig}}
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 14:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
#-[[User:Salty|Salty]] 07:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC) ZOMG I am a native speaker of Cheatease too!!!!
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}} S1nged! Or however you say that!
</blockquote>

User talk:Sahm

2005-11-28T08:32:28Z

Sahm:

User:Sahm

2005-11-26T11:13:42Z

Sahm:

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|-
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<blockquote class=email>
a> sahms_userpage.exe
<br>
<br>

<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
<br>

<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
<br>

<div><s>Cont</s><font color=#ff1111>rib</font><s>ution</s><font color=red>s</font></div>
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
<br>

<div>Merchandice</div>
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
<br>

<div>Guest Book</div>

#<sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}</sup>
#{{User:bkmlb/sig}}
</blockquote>

User:Sahm

2005-11-26T11:11:48Z

Sahm:

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<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
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<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
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So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
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I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
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Talk:Fall Float Parade

2005-11-24T05:50:56Z

Sahm: Happy T!

==Easter Eggs==
I call the Easter Eggs. You're allowed to do that, right? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:I'll race you for 'em. And I can protect the page. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'd rather not, but it doesn't seem like it's going to load, anyway. First one to fall asleep loses the eggs! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

==Not Loading==
It isnt loading for me. :( [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

:Same here. The flash file is giving me a 404. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::It's not loading for anyone, yet. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::: How'd you get the run time? [[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::: It's listed on the Toons page. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 01:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Jeez, three edit conflicts just to edit this page. But anyway, me neither. Dang.{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::'''THERE ISN'T A FLASH FILE! [[User:Seek Bar]]

:::::it's not loading ''because'' there isn't a flash file. The page is looking for the file that doesn't exist. That's why there's a hold up.[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Well, I think we've reached the limit of making a page there's no flash file for. Still, we got pretty far. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::How do we know that Z and Marzy are hosting it? That Pom Pom's on the "telebision"? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::::::On the toons menu.[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::And the only reason I refered to her as "Marzy" is because that's what they refered to her as in the summary. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::All the same, her correct name is "Marzipan." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

And now we wait. Ah, "refresh", how we love thee.[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:What day is American Thanksgiving anyways? It's a month past for us Canadians. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::Always the 3rd Thursday in November. [[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh. Then this one's... Retroactive? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::: TBC could be going outta town. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::: ITS WORKING {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Not for me. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Umm, no, actually, it's the ''fourth'' Thursday in November; i.e., in three days. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 01:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Where's the transcript coming from? The flash file's still not up for me! [[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Btw Kookyman, I beat you. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::How'd you get it to load?????[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

This should clear things up... the regular is 'floatparade' and the swf is 'fallparade'. Probably lotsaya know this by now, but it does need to be officially announced. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 02:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

==what the?==
this toon isn't working for me! and i'm really eager to see it! it just comes up as white stu~ff![[User:Jibney|Jibney]]
:FYI for those who are not in the know, the toon can be access from the following '''[http://www.homestarrunner.com/fallparade.swf Flash file]'''. Enjoy! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:Visit the flash file. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

thanks that was hilarious![[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== 'Nother Page ==

For all the Halloween cartoons, we make an extra page to show all the costumes in a gallery with discriptions. I think we should do that for the floats in the parade, sort of like a list for reference. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 02:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think that'll be needed, unless these floats become a reoccuring theme. (Which I doubt.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''EDIT CONFLICT''' Second. We list the Halloween costumes coz they have further information, based on other characters and all that. Whatever there is to say about the floats, I think we can put in the transcript. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Tinfoil or Pennzoil? ==

I really don't think the Homsars are saying 'Sing a song of tinfoil'- to me, it sounds much more like 'Pennzoil'. Anyone else hear that?
:I had no idea what they were saying at first, with the overlap effect. But under the tutelage of Pom Pom's keen ears, and the transcript updating, I was able to pick out 'tinfoil'. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I heard Penzoil. There's definetly a "zoil" sound at the end of their line. -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]
:Yup, it's penzoil. Ima gonna change it now. -[[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]
::I always heard penzoil.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 13:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::It's definitely tinfoil. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
I've listened to it five times at increasing volume. It's penzoil! [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

:SupremeRulerOfSBadia, please do not change it until an agreement is made. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

'm srry. I just know what I heard, and I can't help changeing it. [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

What the crap is Pennzoil? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:[http://www.pennzoil.com Pennzoil] is an American motor-oil company that sponsors races, sporting events and other stuff. They're right up there with Castrol and Quaker State. (I had listed this in RWR before someone reverted the transcript back to "Tinfoil".) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, and they are a major sponsor for Macy's T-Day Parades, too. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's an [http://www.pennzoil.com oil] for your engine. Apparently it's not in Isreal.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 17:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Take a [http://media.putfile.com/Fall-Float-Homsar-Quote listen] for yourself.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Listening to it again, it is definitely a bit indistinct because of the doubling, but I think the telltale sign that it's "Pennzoil" is that the first syllable in the word is a short "e", not a short "i". So you'd either have "ten-foil", "ten-zoil", "ten-soil", "pen-soil", or "pen-zoil" (and the last one properly translates to the Pennzoil brand name, as there is no English word "penzoil", and Homsar doesn't have a history of making up words). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:How odd... I was about to say the same thing, but backwards. Because I surely hear a short "i" sound. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Try these media clips: [[Media:LetsSingASong.ogg|Homsar's quote (normal)]] and [[Media:LetsSingASong-Fast.ogg|(150% normal speed)]] - the latter clip might make that last word a bit clearer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::After a review of these clips, particularly the second, I have reevaluated my position. It is Pennzoil, as reluctant as I am to admit. Also, I'd like to say that Homsar is rather creepy all sped up like that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:Hey guys, the KOT quote had a clip made so that it could be played over and over again (I think that one's thanks to KieferSkunk), is there any way we could have such a clip for the Homesar Line uploaded? That would help so much! I was almost convinced it was Penzoil but I keep hearing something different each time it seems, so I want to hear it with a good set of earphones and several times in a row to be sure. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm one step ahead of you, Stux. Look up. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh! I didn't even see them! I'm sorry! Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Wow, man! That 150% speed recording's a riot! I definitely do not hear an "f" sound to make tinfoil. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::'''Edit Conflict''' I think playing this on repeat 20 or 30 times gives you a pretty good idea of what it is and what it is not. I hear no "f", I hear a "p", and I hear an "e"; I hear no I, and we all agree on the oil part. :) I could've also just simply signed my vote and not typed any of this but it wouldn't be as fun now would it? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I can hear "Pennzoil" under the power of suggestion, but I can't hear "tinfoil" at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Here, I'll start a vote:

If you hear "tinfoil", add your name to this bullet list.
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If you hear "Pennzoil", add your name here instead.
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*So totally [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]
*Get better speakers -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
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*--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
*— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
*{{User:Joshua/sig}} (Actually, I hear "Pennfoil". :P)
*[[User:Strongstarbadder|Strongstar badder]]
*[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
*[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
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*[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]]
*[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]]

==It all comes down so I break it down==
The KOT quite discernibly says some syllable before "Break it down for me, fellas," but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is. Anybody? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:"So"?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::''It'' refers to the song, a break-down is a variation or style of the music that they are playing. A common break-down is all the instruments dropping out except percussion. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think AbdiViklas is asking for help identifying the syllable he hears before the phrase, not what the word "it" in the phrase stands for.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::That is correct. (And you're correct too, IRF; we owe modern turntabling to that section of the song and [[Wikipedia:DJ Grandmaster Flash|Grandmaster Flash's]] attempts to extend it.) I'm not convinced by "So," Tom; it kinda sounds like "court" to me, which makes no sense. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought it sounded a lot like "A-break it down for me, fellas!" It's a possibility. - {{User:Super Sonic X/Sig}} 19:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Court could work. Like a king's court. "A sovereign's governing body, including the council of ministers and state advisers." [http://www.answers.com/topic/court][[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yup. Excet "Break it down for me, fellas," is not in the Top 10 Things Most Likely To Be Heard In A Council Of Ministers And State Advisors (T1TMLTBHIACOMASA). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Here, I uploaded [[Media:Breakitdownforme.ogg|a sound clip]] of the KOT's line. That should help in figuring it out. Sounds like "court" or "pork" to me, but it also sounds like it could just be gibberish. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:Could be "What?" or "Oh" or "Go"... The possibilities are pretty much endless. It could be any number of things. Even listening to the .ogg, I can't tell. It's rather indistinct. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::About all I can get from it listening to it some more (even slowed it down to see if that would help) is that it sounds like it starts with "Tr". Nothing I can think of fits, though - I think it's just a random syllable at this point. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::: No idea here, but I don't hear a long "O" sound ("So," "Go," "Oh," or whatever.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::It could simply be a vocalization, a sort of a "hup!" I think given the lack of consensus it's okay to leave it as it is. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I just watched the toon again, and it souned pretty clear. I'm almost positive it's "A-break..." - {{User:Super Sonic X/Sig}}

:I hear, "A-break it down for me, fairlords," but my headphones stuck. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Pretty sure that's "fellas". Having it be "A-break" is about the only thing I can think of that makes sense. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Jump Jive and Wail ==

Did anybody else think of the movie [[Wikipedia:Airplane%21|Airplane!]] when Marzi said, "for those of you don't speak Coach Z" refering to the lady that said, "Stewardess, I speak jive." Is this even close to being solid enough for ''real world reference'' status? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

: No, I just thought about speaking "The Cheat" [[User:No Parking|No Parking]] 15:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::It was a funny movie though. "Surely you can't be serious!" "I am serious, and please stop calling me Shirley." That's gold! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

== Post-its? ==

Are post-its a running gag, now? [[User:No Parking|No Parking]] 14:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:see [[Sticky_Notes]] {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== Killer Ballon ==

Could the run-away Marshie ballon be a referance to the 1998 Thanksgiving Parade when that Cat-in-the-Hat ballon knock over a street light at killed those people? Or is that too much of a stretch? [[User: The Pardack|The Pardack]]
:You know, I didn't even think of that, which is surprising because I lived in NY and was watching at that time, but I'd say so, especially since the cause was not enough people controlling the balloon. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No one died, but someone was put in a coma for a while. But anyway, I think it could be a reference. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:I dunno, it strikes me as just a common parade balloon gag, not necessarily a reference to a particular incedent. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::I think The Pardack is right - I looked up news articles for that incident (which actually occurred in 1997), and the similarities between that and the Marshie balloon are pretty striking. (pun possibly intended.) I went ahead and added the fact - if you feel it should be STUFF'd, feel free. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it refers to anything in particular. I thought more of [[Wikipedia:The One Where Underdog Gets Away|the ''Friends'' episode where Underdog gets away]]. I went ahead and deleted the fact. If you feel it should be STUFF'd, feel free. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::You know, TBC have brains, and brains makes connections between related ideas and memories. So unless they have been living under a rock since their birth, something in particular popped up in their minds when they had the idea for this gag. If anything, the main reference here is the Zeppelin [[Wikipedia:Hindenburg_disaster|Hindenburg disaster]].--[[User:Vl-tone|Vl-tone]] 07:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Or for that matter, what about "[[Wikipedia:List of Seinfeld episodes#Season 6: 1994-1995|The Mom and Pop Store]]" epsiode of Seinfeld, When the Woody Woodpecker balloon gets blown? The simple fact is that it could be one particlar reference, but because there are so many candidates, it should be left at a reference to the general theme of a big balloon being a recipie for disaster. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Wagon Fulla Pancakes? ==

Should the Wagon Fulla Pancakes be mentioned here? I mean, isn't it the Wagon under SB's float?--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 19:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:It ''is'' mentioned. Check the inside references. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
Sorry. I wasn't clear enough. I meant in the cast list.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 19:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:It is listed suchly, by the way, in [[Senorial Day]] (though personally I don't think should be either there or here. [[montage]], yes, because it's personified so heavily, but not the other two. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::If we list something once, we list it everywhere. Or nowhere. The key is consistancy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::You don't see a case for different treatment when an inanimate object is personified into a character (as in [[Characters#PseudoCharacters]])? In [[montage]], the Wagon ''is'', functionally, a character. Here it's functionally a wagon. (Hey, I just thought of something; an argument could be made against listing "[[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]]" in the Cast here, since it ''isn't'' full of pancakes!) I'd argue it should be in the cast list for [[montage]] but no others to date. (Of course if my argument is accepted it would entail other changes; e.g. Frank Benedetto should be taken out of the Cast list for [[garage sale]] and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]], since it's just a popcorn popper in those.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== About the lack of basement ==

Remarks notes that Bubs' Concession Stand doesn't appear to have a basement in the Homestar Egg. However, we already know that the basement is accessed by a lowering mechanism in the middle of the stand. This would put said mechamism about where Homestar's box is. I'm thinking it's possible (POSSIBLE) that Homestar's box is covering the basement elevator. What do you all think? [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 02:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
*I think you need to lay off the caffine. that is so absurd!--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think that's included in the Remark? And I think Benol could avoid sounding insulting. (Although, yes, the whole basement issue ''is'' absurd; not just because it's unlikely to be a priority of TBC, but because if it is it raises certain absurdist images, such as Bubs fitting through a hole that size.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Bub's elevator is not in the smack center of his stand, it's in the ''front-center'' part which is not covered by the cardboard box.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::: There is no basement in the stand, thus no elevator. In [[geddup noise]], Bubs was doing the old "pretend I'm in an elevator" trick that mimes do.--[[User:Vl-tone|Vl-tone]] 06:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::What about when he walked out of the basement in [[Strong Bad Email?]] - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I know. It's just a wierd situation, his basement. I'll wing a mail to TBC and see what they say. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::::Good luck. From my experience, TBC have better things to do than answer fanmails, and they might take a really long time to reply, if they do reply at all. -[[User:AtionSong|<font face="BankGothic Md BT">AtionSong</font>]] 01:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

*I think it's some kind of secret trapdoor, it seems mechanical so maybe it's hidden. Like, perhaps, the floor opens by remote. Also, unless the floor of Bubs' is usually dirt, it would seem that Strong Mad took the floor as well, so perhaps the trapdoor is concealed therein (and the ground opens up, too).[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
::If he took the floor, where'd he put it? You can quite clearly see that it's open on the bottom, as Strong Mad's feet are sticking out as he walks. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

==Blue Face?==
[[Image:qod 4 - bubs.PNG|frame|left]]
This may just be going over my head right now, but I don't understand the reference on Homestar's box during the easter egg. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 01:23, 23 Nov 2005 (PST)
:Maybe this will help. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 09:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh. Well I said that I was probably missing the obvious. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 02:21, 23 Nov 2005 (PST)
:::It actually took me a few minutes to work it out too... I thought at first it was just Homestar's usual inanity. Then, after about the third viewing, I go "Hey, Bubs is of the blue-headed persuasion, isn't he?" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Happy T! ==

Having T in a number (The 4Tst Annual Fall Float Parade) has happened before: The book: ''This Book is Better Than 1st, 2nd, and Quite Possibly Even 3rd Base.'' is sold for $28.9T on [[Bookazon.com]]. I thought I might get your opintions on this before I rush in and put it in the Fun Facts. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 05:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

User:Sahm

2005-11-24T05:38:09Z

Sahm:

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<div>About Me</div>
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)
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<div>First time here?</div>
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]
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So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.
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<div>Merchandice</div>
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.
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<div>Guest Book</div>

#<sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup>
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==Technical help==
===How to add images===
Here's a quick rundown of how to add images:
#If you haven't already, read the [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image use policy]]. Note that the PNG format is preferred.
#Over in the toolbox on the left, click [[Special:Upload|Upload file]].
#(A) Browse to the file on your computer.<br>(B) Write a brief description in the summary area.<br>(C) Click the copyright checkbox.<br>(D) Click "Upload file".
#Place code on your page in the following format, usually at the very top of the page (although you can place it in other places):<br><code><nowiki>[[Image:IMAGE NAME|thumb and/or POSITION|SIZE|CAPTION]]</nowiki></code>

To make an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Gallery|image gallery]], use the wollowing format:
:<code><nowiki><gallery></nowiki>
:Image:image1.png|caption 1
:Image:image2.png|caption 2
:Image:image3.png|caption 3
:<nowiki></gallery></nowiki></code>
Start each picture on a new line. You can use links and full wiki markup in the captions.

Click on these links here for a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial|tutorial]] and more [[MetaWikipedia:Help:Images and other uploaded files|technical info]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax|syntax info]]. HRWiki policy allows [[HRWiki:User_page#What can_I_have_on_my_user_page?|one uploaded image]] per user with no questions asked. For an example, I placed the following code at the top of your page: <code><nowiki>[[Image:cheatgold.PNG|thumb|300px|I've got a gold tooth. Wanna see it? Tough!]]</nowiki></code><br>That's all. Have fun! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:33, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
:Thanx a bunch for telling me how to add images and adding an image and all that crap. Love your page. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
::Anytime, my friend. It's my pleasure. And thanks for your comments about my page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

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===How to revert a page===
*YO! I do like what you did to my gallery, but I'd like to revert it for the time being. I do want to change it to your suggestion in the future, though. But, um, how do you revert? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 02:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It was more complicated than normal to revert your page since you had already made changes to it. Here are some basic instructions on how to revert:

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To completely revert a page to a previous version:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#Type a comment in the summary, usually something like "reverted edit of so-and-so; changed to last version by what's her face".
#Click "Save page".</div>

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To revert a page and keep some changes at the same time:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Determine what changes have been made since the version to which you want to revert.
#Copy the affected section to the clipboard. If there is more than one section, it may be necessary to do a normal revert (see above) and then make the changes again one at a time in later edits.
#In the page history, click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#From the clipboard, paste in the new changes over the appropriate old section.
#Type a comment in the summary.
#Click "Show preview" to ensure that you pasted the new changes in correctly.
#Click "Save page".</div>

:In the section way above, I've included the syntax for the image gallery for whenever you want to go back to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Thanx. One more helpful thing you can either

::A. Strong Mad Bath
::B. Crisper Drawer
::C. Be Cheatachu72's homeslice
::[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I'll take (C). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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=== Where to link characters ===
I had a question. On the page for [[monster truck]], should "The Sad kids" and "The King of town" in the transcript be changed to include links to thier respective pages? FYI, the sentence that would be changed is "{The Sad Kids and the King of Town appear on screen respectively crossed out}". —[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]

:No. Characters are never linked in the transcript. Instead, they are listed at the top of the page in the order in which they appear. Also, whenever you post something on a talk page, type four tildes after it, like this: "<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>". That will automatically sign your name and put a timestamp after it. It looks like this: — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 01:08, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:09, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

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=== How to make the vertical line to appear ===
How do you make this vertical line appear? | It's used in a lot of links in the wiki, [[Strong Bad Email|like this]], but if I want to use the line, I always have to copy it from somewhere else. Can you press certain keys to make it appear? [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:11, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It should be on your keyboard. Mine's above the enter key. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:30, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...let's see: | Hey, it worked! Thank you! You're my new best friend at this wiki! [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:33, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:No probalo... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:34, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I'm glad I could bring you two closer together. I have nothing useful to say here, but since this is my talk page, I feel compelled to comment. The character The Chort is speaking of is called the [[Wikipedia:vertical bar|vertical bar]], or pipe. It is used in wiki markup to create [[Wikipedia:Piped_link|piped links]], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table tables], and other things. As Amanda (H*C) said, the key is usually located at the extreme right of the keyboard, just above the Enter (return) key, grouped with the [[Wikipedia:backslash|backslash]]. On some keyboard configurations, the key is on the top row, just to the left of the Backspace (in this case the Enter key is about double its customary size and the Backspace is about half its normal size). To type a vertical bar, you must hold the Shift key. Well, I hope you enjoyed my short essay. I now return you to the wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:46, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==STUFF reform==
=== The note ===

Here's the note you requested. [[HRWiki:IRC_channel]]?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I for the instructions, I have this:

:''{Tom's code moved here: [[User:It's dot com/instructions code]]}''

You need to fix up Section II, since I have no idea what's going on there. (And quite possibily sections I and III as well.) You also might want to check out some of the bulleted points in the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion#Things_to_consider|things to consider]] section for when you write up the instructions. Well, good luck.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== STUFF help ===

I would be glad to help you out Dot Com. I'm bored and I'm really digging what you are doing here. Keep up the good work. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

:On an aside note, when the time comes will you need help turning all of the current STUFF'd facts to your format? If so lemmie know and I can help you out. When do you think the big change might occur? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::I'm shooting for the middle of this week. Maybe there won't be a new toon this week. That would help. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Looks like you're about ready to make this happen. I would also be willing to help you and Tony with the big change, if you so desire. You know, taking what's currently in STUFF and putting it on the new page. There's a lot of them there. Just let me know. --[[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] 03:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I welcome any help I can get. I don't know the best way to go about it. I figure we'll have to temporarily close the STUFF page so that people aren't trying to edit it while we're converting it. Also, I want to open the format up for others to test. I'm trying to get that done tonight. I think the format is really easy to use, but I ''made'' it, so there could be problems I'm not seeing. I'll leave you a note on your talk page when I have more to report, which shouldn't be too long from now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: In case you didn't notice, I've discovered what is causing the problem in STUFF. Not external links in and of themselves (notice that "The Legend of Credits" has an external link.) It's the fact that there was an equal sign in one of the links. Try plugging a random equal sign into any fact (link or no) and see what happens. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you're looking for a response as to the new STUFF's simplicity, I would say it is pretty easy if you follow the directions. I do have a suggestion, though. For the how to revise page you have the entire template out for cutting and pasting, but the initial template setup has the optional things on parts of it. It might make it easier to take the optional notes and the false user votes off of that template so it's easy to cut and paste the entire thing. That's what I think anyway. Other than that, I think the new system is great. --[[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] 19:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead an implemented everything, including Protecting all the templates and DELETING!! all the test pages I could think of. If there are others I missed, feel free to TBD them. I ended up erasing a lot of old Verdicted facts on the old STUFF page - dig through the history if you really feel you need them. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:42, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===New STUFF Verdicts===

The new STUFF looks prooty good! One little quibble: it appears that the original posting dates were not included when the open STUFFs were ported. My real question is: how should a VERDICT'D STUFF look? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

: The date thing was my fault. Anyway, I guess that a VERDICT should be another template or two, and should be put in place of the arguments and votes. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: I fixed the dates. For verdicts, we can either move the items to the talk pages (like we do now), or they could be moved to a different subpage, like '''HRWIKI:STUFF Archive/pagename''', for example. If we use an archive subpage, we should put a reference link on the talk page with the fact in question and the verdict.<div style="text-indent:2em">As items close, they should definitely be ''moved'' somewhere. Otherwise, if down the line someone STUFFs something new from a page, all the old, closed facts will still be there. Once a template subpage is empty (all the facts have closed), the template subpage should be deleted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)</div>

The rest of this discussion has moved to [[HRWiki_talk:STUFF#Verdicts]].

=== <3 ===

My ace in the hole. You rock. Good prize. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Well, thank you! <small>(But what specifically are you referring to? And what does "less than three" mean in this context?)</small> — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:18, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Haha, "less than three" in this context means, "Yay! Heart!" This is just a random compliment for you. You know, because you're always cool. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::Of course! Now I see. (I'm not a big emoticon user myself, so you'll have to forgive my ignorance here.) And thanks for the encouraging words! Great jaerb on the [[Biz Cas Fri 1]] transcript. It's always fun to help on those (especially since I rarely get the chance to do one — they're always done so quickly after a toon is released). Keep up the good troll fightin' recent patrollin' wiki gnomin' work! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I already congraturated you once, but way to go, again, STUFF guru! -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:45, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:As always, you are welcome. Just curious, what made you think to say that this time? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I was sitting in Recent Changes... and just looking at the two jillion STUFF edits you make every two jillion seconds. That's very cool. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:48, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::: Ha ha, it feels like that sometimes. The way I look at it, since I stirred up the waters by coming up with the format, I have an obligation to keep it as well-oiled as possible, and so I do a lot of maintenance on items, even if I don't actually participate in every vote. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:52, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::And well-oiled it is. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:57, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

=== STUFF query ===
Hey It's dot com, I just noticed that one of bottom 10's [[HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom_10#Is_the_ride_broken.3F|STUFF entries]] is not ever going to succeed due to the author's mistake. (The Knott's Berry Farm one) It is not true, and will not get a single acceptance vote. I just thought it might be best to close that one now and save everybody time. On that note, I have also noticed that you are the only one who ever closes STUFFed facts, and was wondering if you wanted a hand with that. I am willing to help you out if you want me to. <br>Forever Young, {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:To tell the truth, I don't mind doing it at all; it's fun. But others are of course welcome to do it (this is a wiki, after all); and certainly you should at least know ''how''. (It's not difficult, but it ''is'' involved. The instructions are [[HRWiki:STUFF/Verdict|here]].) I dunno, like I've said to BazookaJoe, since I made up the format, I feel responsible for making sure all the gears mesh and turn like they're supposed to. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:49, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:P.S. I took care of that item like you suggested.

=== Anonymous STUFFing ===

Okay, it's one thing to say that Anonnies can't VOTE in STUFF facts. It's another entirely to say that they can't CREATE facts; I'd taken it for granted that they could. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:18, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:The rules state: "You may only edit arguments while logged in." I would think that extends to creating items. If a user cares enough about an item, he can log in to create it. If an item truly is important, a logged-in user has probably already made it anyway. As for this particular item, it was such a stretch that it would have been deleted outright from the page. If you truly feel, however, that it needs to go through the process, resubmit it anew (but I've got a thousand dollars I would bet as to how the verdict will end up). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:26, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:: Well, I don't disagree that it was a waste of space. I was more thinking about future reference—if someone actually adds a fact worth STUFFing. I suppose the only safeguards we had specified for unlogged users were votes and editing pre-existing arguments (it doesn't specifically say that unlogged users can't add facts or arguments) so I wanted clarification. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:44, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::I'll admit, I threw it out on a technicality. A technicality I would probably overlook if it had ''any'' merit at all. The last couple of days it seems like people are abusing the STUFF page, STUFFing the most trivial bits of nothing. I was trying to make an example of something that clearly deserved to get the ax, to try and nip this in the bud. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:52, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::: Fair enough. For example, I completely deleted a false "Fact" yesterday (regarding The Cheat's bendable arms never appearing before outside of Cheat Commandos, in spite of the fact that they'd been seen in [[caper]] and [[virus]]), so imagine my surprise today to find that it had been re-added (albeit prematurely Verdicted). Was it the same guy? How could multiple people make that mistake? And, as a result of your previous comments, I modified the "Add a toon/Add an item/Revise an item" instructions; now, all three say that you must be logged in. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::: "Early," not "premature." When several users find multiple instances that directly contradict an item, it is patently false and therefore not worth our time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:59, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Er, maybe my wording was a bit confusing, but I already knew that. I tend to refer to facts as "prematurely closed" when they're closed early no matter what the reason—even if I was the one who did it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:03, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::::: Ah, I see. I took it in the sense of "before it should have been", but "before normal" works too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==Thundercolor==
Hey Dot com. I noticed you gave me a color pointer on my talk page, which I'm greatful for. But what I didn't get was your pick? Which is your favorite? Thanks, ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?</font>]]</tt>'' 03:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
:My favorite is the one that's the easiest to read: #CD9B1D — [[User:It's dot com|<font color=#CD9B1D>It's dot com</font>]]

::Oh, my bad. You were there. Sorry 'bout that. I think it was because of the two different styles of sig, or something. I dunno. I need more sleep... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>?</font>]]</tt>'' 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:45, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

== WikiTroll ==

Hey, It's dot com. Just letting you know that you don't have to add to WikiTroll if the user has already been blocked. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:27, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Well, I started adding him, and then I got called away from my computer, and by the time I got back you had already blocked him. I ''did'' notice this, but since it's such a hassle to add somebody to the table (what with making a list of all their evil edits and whatnot) and since I had already gone to the trouble, I just hit "Save page" anyway. Plus, I figured if he did it again, there would already be a record there. (And yes, I know there's the blocked log.) So that's why. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:45, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Oh, I see. Sorry to bug you then. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:50, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo. Besides, I like getting comments. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::Okay! Bother bother bother bother bother bother bother! [http://www.potterpuppetpals.com] {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:25, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::::Whoa, ''weeeeird''. Funny, though. I especially liked the part where they busted out their M-16s to dispatch [[Wikipedia:Lord Voldemort|You-Know-Who]]. At Barnes & Noble, you can reserve a place in line, which I did, and I'm in the first group, so I will be one of the first thirty to get a book tonight at midnight. My [[Special:Contributions/It's dot com|contribs]] may be way down for a couple of days. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:17, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::::I'm getting mine tomorrow, via Amazon. And yes, I know weird links. Far too many weird links... ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:22, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I'll miss you two while you are lost in that other realm of fantasy. Have fun reading, [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]]

::::::::Hold down the fort for us, BazookaJoe. Actually, I know you will... You're, like, ''always'' here. You're doing an awesome job, man. (But seriously, don't forget to see what the sun looks like every now and then. ;) ) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::::::::I have been very bored this summer, and have had nothing to do but wiki. I'll be on a lot less once I start my job in a week or two. The Potter Puppet Pals are funny! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:49, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:sbemail127.png|thumb|shiny things!]]

Um hi, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]], I would like to point you to the [[Store]] page where if you check out the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Store&action=history history] you will see that the user [[User:Hydro|Hydro]] has been trolling the page constantly. I have not yet seen his name on the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|Troll Page]]. Also, I like [[virus|linking]], and [[long_pants|shiny]] things! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:08, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hi Stux. If someone ever needs to be added to the troll list, then by all means do it. Don't even worry if you mess up the format... if you should encounter problems somebody will be along to fix it. I'll take a look at Hydro now. Thanks for bringing it to someone's (in this case, my) attention. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:12, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for bugging you again. I think i'm trying to upgrade my status from being Mr. Fix minor things to being Mr. Pain-in-the-behind Wannabe. What am I talking about? Basically, fact checking. To what extent should we do fact checking. I was checking [[Matt Chapman]]'s page [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Matt_Chapman&action=history history] and noticed that the last [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Matt_Chapman&diff=0&oldid=154227 change] added the misc fact: ''"*Can be seen as an audience member in one episode of '''[[IMDb:tt0163507|Whose Line Is It Anyway?]]'''"'' This is very general and my fingers are itching to revert it and leave a 'please provide evidence' note. But I haven't. Perhaps out of pity. Suggestions? (Do you have a fact-checking or fact adding set of guidelines even for admins?) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:31, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I hate to interrupt somebody else's conversation, but I checked this myself. If you look at Matt's IMBD page, it lists him as an uncredited audience member near the bottom. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I don't know about [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] cuz it's his message bored but I personally appreciate the interruption. Not to mention quick response! Wow, amazing, I didn't think they'd credit such minor things, but they did! Thanks [[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]! (and thank you [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] for letting me use your Talk page!) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==it's "Dot com"==
Hello. Thanks for letting me know about the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#Redirects discussion] regarding deleted redirects of the first two Strong Bad Emails. I was previously unaware of the accusations by Jay against me. By the way, may I call you IDC? It's an acronym of your username if you wouldn't mind me referring you by it. Thanks again. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 18:45, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think he was accusing you, just perhaps mistaken. I alerted you to the discussion because I figured it pertained to you and therefore you could tell us why you thought it was better not to have the redirects. But if it wasn't you, then, obviously, you can't. Ah, well. I think the redirects are going to go forward (if E.L. Cool or others are still up to it). As for a short form of my user name, when people ask what it is, I say: it's [[User:It's dot com|Dot com]]. 19:26, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== The single deuce...not really ==

About Autobiography and the whole single deuce thing, you were right. I froze the frame and the way SB's holding his hand corresponds to his chin. Good call! —[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]

:Thanks. Yeah, I guess Strong Bad's way more fond of ''double'' deuce action. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:45, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==That one guy==

Hey man, I put your link on my page. Change it if you don't like the way it's linked. Everything is up for discussion on my page, go ahead and talk all you want and encourage others to do so also. [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 02:58, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Thanks for all your help, um... where can I talk with people again? -it's that annoying guy again!

:Well, it's late. A lot of people are probably going to bed soon. Most people like to talk when something happens, like the release of a new toon. So check back on Monday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:41, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, It is late, isn't it. I'm surprised you, BazukaJoe, and some other guy, are still awake... I'm too tired to spell rite.

Listen, In the morn' discuss the stuff I gots on me' page, if I'm around...n' stuff. [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 04:49, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)Thechamp

:Sure. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:53, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Hey! It's dot com, are you awake? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 15:16, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Anyone know how long your supposed to cook beef stu? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:20, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the edditing, I just neede to get your attention.
Can you tell me who usually goes on the forums? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:24, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Hundreds of people. Many of them are on this wiki. Many of them aren't. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:51, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

How come no one is talking about my Idea that I had? I thought it was good, does no one else think so? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:35, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:This isn't exactly the wiki where people care about story ideas. Fanstuff like that goes on the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org Fanstuff wiki]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:51, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Baseball fan!==

Hey Dot com! Are you a baseball fan?--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

:I should probably add this to my user page sooner or later, but I'm a ''huge'' fan of baseball, and Major League Baseball in particular, and more specifically the Texas Rangers Baseball Club. I've got my trusty Rangers ballcap on right now, as always. I've been to several games this year and plan on more. I don't live in the Dallas–Fort Worth area, otherwise I would have season tickets at Ameriquest Field. I make up for it by keeping track of the team on TV, radio, and at mlb.com using Gameday, Gameday Audio, and MLB.TV. I mainly follow the AL (my second-favorite club is the Yankees), but I do like some NL teams: the Nationals, the Astros, the Mets, and (sorry) the Cubs, to name a few. Tonight, as it turns out, the Rangers topped the Orioles, 4–2, in Baltimore. Yay! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:32, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Cool! You're only the second user I've heard of that is a baseball fan (other than me, there are two I've heard of). If you're not a ''huge'' cub fan then you won't bother me--and if you're not drunk, I'll be fine.--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

:Not a huge Cub fan, but I do pull for them as the perennial underdogs, especially now that the Red Sox have won it all. Even being a Yankee fan, when Boston was able to overcome a 3–0 deficit, when in Game 4 all Rivera had to do was put out the side in the ninth... well, at that point I was pleased to see the BoSox finally rid themselves of that blasted curse! (I can't remember, who was it they beat in the World Series? ;) ) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:24, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I know, the Cardinals lost. I went to game four of the World Series, I was sad *sniffle*. I remember there were lots of Red Sox fans around us. One guy was talking to his wife on the phone the whole time. When the Sox won, my dad asked this red sox fan next to us, "What will you do now? This is your whole Idenity." And the red sox fan said back, " What year is it 86 years from now?"
But the cubs haven't won the series since 1908!--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

== Fanstuff ==

Do you have an account on the HRFWiki to? -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong]] [[User talk:Strong Lad|Lad]]

:Yes, I do, but I don't much use it. I reserved the same username as here on the knowledge base so that I'd have it if I ever wanted to comment on anything there, and also so no one could impersonate me (not like anybody ''would'', but you never know). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

What is it? -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong]] [[User talk:Strong Lad|Lad]]

:The same as here: [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== DVD ==

Hey, how's your stuff for the DVD coming? Are you still working on [[Puppets on the Road]]? Oh, and are you doing [[Sample of Style Too]]? Because if not, I think I am going to take a stab at rewriting its transcript today. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:35, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I see that the Sample of Style Too main part and outtakes are both just about done. I didn't read the transcript closely... you say you're going to ''rewrite'' it? I was working on Puppets on the Road, but I was wiped out last night and didn't finish it. I'd still like to complete POTR, but if somebody beats me to it, I won't be upset. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:38, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I wrote Sample of Style Too's transcript using snippets of [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005#Characer Animation Video|NYU Talk]]'s transcript. There were many differences between the two videos (see [[Talk:Sample of Style Too]]). I would love it if you could get Puppets on the Road up. It's funny and popular with fans and I'm sure they would love to read it. I don't mean to rush you, though. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:30, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Nah, I just kinda got slammed with going out of town and then I actually had to go in to my job and do real work. Sometimes, I can goof off here, but not today. And tonight, I was in a softball game. And we won the game. And so we went and got real fruit smoothies. (Really.) I figured at some point someone would just go ahead and take POTR from me if I didn't get a chance to finish it. I'm not even at my home computer (where my DVD is and where I've done all the DVD stuff), or I'd do it now. So to sum up, if somebody else does it instead because I dragged my feet, that's cool; but otherwise, I can do it by later tomorrow. If ''you'' should do it, just drop me a note here so I won't worry. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:45, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::I ''did'' finally have a chance to do this, in case anybody wondered how that story ended. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==No swearing, huh?==
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:record_book&oldid=120932 Talk:record book] Now, I'm trying real hard here to see what you're getting at, but I can't for the life of me spot ANY swearing in there. Care to point it out to me?
:Look [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:record_book&diff=120932&oldid=120930 more closely]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:21, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What r you speekin aboot? Any who, Hay dot man? wana add your speechin to my talk payj? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 22:23, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Sorry for the edit ==

Ya that was stupid of me, I just wanted to see if anyone would notice it and change it. I promise nothing of the sort will happen again. [[User:Sox101|Sox101]]

:Oh, we've got eyes in the back of our heads! Seriously, thanks for apologizing. I trust you'll be more careful in the future. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:42, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Speculation or no==
What was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=lady...ing&diff=123490&oldid=123488 this] for? It's not merely speculation; it's a likely reference. --[[User:195.92.67.69|195.92.67.69]] 16:52, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Really? When an item is phrased using words like "could be" and "whether she actually did is debatable," it sure sounds like speculation to me. And you're not considering the fact that Marzipan breaks up with Homestar 50% of the time on her [[Marzipan#Character_Video_Transcript|character video]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:59, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Gah. I hate this wiki. Well, maybe not wiki, more like you and BazookaJoe seemingly cutting every edit I make. In fact, I'm going to stop editing this thing and just watch the cartoons in peace. --[[User:195.92.67.69|195.92.67.69]] 17:02, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm sorry you feel that way. If you truly believe I or we are acting unilaterally, I will cheerfully STUFF the item(s) in question for you. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Thanks==
===Thank you from pertmywert===

Thankyou so much for all your help and ideas. I hope you can keep on being nice to me and I to you. Email me if you want. --<small>[[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]</small>|<sub><big>[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|♥]] </big></sub> 02:32, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Pertmywert, to answer the question you asked earlier, I think you're a fine user. You've made several good contributions recently, including some necessary reverts. Also, in all seriousness, I appreciate your willingness to welcome new users. I think your ♥ is in the right place there. (Side note: there's a link in your welcome template that says "me" but actually points to JoeyDay. Perhaps change "me" to "JoeyDay".)<div style="text-indent:1.5em">Remember that not everybody stays at their computer every minute of every day, so sometimes patience is required when waiting for a response. And it's an unfortunate fact that many of the users go unnoticed who do a lot of little but important things. It's like an umpire in baseball, who nobody pays any attention to when everything is going fine, but people rant and shout when a call is blown.</div><div style="text-indent:1.5em">A couple of pointers: whenever you're describing your edits, try to avoid emotionally charged words like "useless", etc. It's sufficient just to say "reverted such-and-such to version by so-and-so". Even better, try to find the good parts of an edit see if you can reword them so they fit into the article. (See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=lunch_special&curid=1117&diff=108570&oldid=108569&rcid=55453 this edit] for an example.)</div><div style="text-indent:1.5em">To sum up, keep up the good work learning, gaining experience, and making quality contributions.</div><div>Sincerely,<br />[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:20, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)</div>

:P.S. ''{comment moved under image in subsection below}''

==== User Award ====

Congrats

You have won the favourite use award for this week (or month)

Here is your trophy

[[Image:fav user awards.PNG|thumb|none|100px]]

*Thank you for your FUA on 03:31, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC). I appreciate that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

====Fav User Award Page?====

Hey, It's dot com, is there a page that has the previous winners of the "Fav. User Award"? --[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 22:10, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Do you mean the one I got from Pertmywert? If so, I dunno; that's his page. You might check the history [[User:Pertmywert/fua|here]]. Or you could [[User_talk:Pertmywert|ask him]]. Hope that helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:19, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Thank you. You are undoutably awesome. [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 22:28, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thanx from Strong Lad===

Thanks for the help with my user page -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong Lad]]

:No probalo. My pleasure. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:29, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thank you from Rogue Leader===
Thank you so moch for making the troll template. It is much easier to add trolls now. Thanks again! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}
:Copy, Rogue Leader! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thanx from Rebecca ===
I also wanted to thank you! Thanx for helping me with some of the questions that I asked on my talk page! --{{User:RJMT/sig}} 05:42, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Any time you need help, I'm happy to do so. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===Thank You from bkmlb===

For helping me with my sig and being nice to me, you get a trophy http://jrsice.com/images/trophy.jpg <br>''sparkle sparkle''
--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 04:26, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:You're certainly welcome. Gotta look out for a fellow baseball fan. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===You deserve a Pizza Trophy!===
{| align="center"
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| [[Image:pizza_trophy_award.PNG|70px|"Congrats! Have a Pizza Trophy!"]]
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''I present this Pizza Trophy to [[User:It's_dot_com|It's dot com]] for his outstanding work and attention to detail on countless articles.

I've been meaning to award you for your tireless efforts here on the wiki. I saw the gift that bkmlb gave you and it reminded me what I had intended to award you. Hope you don't mind receiving two trophies in the same day! http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/emowink.gif {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:52, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Thank you, The Paper! I appreciate it. Tireless efforts sure can be tiring sometimes, but it helps to have encouragement like that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:00, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Concur'd! Those wiki projects you're all the time doing are hawt! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:46, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::You know, I was thinking that you deserved a Pizza Trophy for the Stuff reform. Lo and behold, here it is. Good prize! :D {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:34, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks, Amanda. Have fun at Disney World! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:56, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::I'm sure I will! (I'm not actually leaving until tomorrow, but I thought I'd put the message up in case I forgot in the rush of packing & everything.) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===Thanks from Payphone Ed===
"Homer no function beer well without." Thanks for fixing those things on the [[Linux Incompatibilities]] page. I think I need a nap or something. :3
--[[User:Payphone Ed|Payphone Ed]] 23:09, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Glad to help. I know the feeling... "No TV and no beer make ''It's dot com'' something something." "Go crazy?" "Don't mind if I do!" Actually, it's more like no TV and no ''Dr Pepper'', in my case. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:16, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== br format ==

I was just wondering why you changed the <tt><br clear="all" /></tt> to <tt><br style="clear:both" /></tt> on [[Template:Strong Bad Email]]. Both are standards compliant ([http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTemplate%3AStrong_Bad_Email%26oldid%3D128594], [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Template%3AStrong_Bad_Email]) so I was just wondering what made you make the switch. It's not a problem or anything, I'm just curious. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:36, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Well, earlier this week I read [http://forums.devshed.com/t204843/s.html this]: "IE generally does not seem to appreciate using br as a clearing agent. Too, the clear attribute is deprecated in html4 in favor of the style property." Since I figured we also preferred styles, I changed it when I noticed it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:55, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Martin F. ==

Hey, Its Martin F. lol Thanks for the inspiration. You and I both have a similar experience with being introduced wih Homestar. You do a great job editing. See you around the Wiki! --[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 03:02, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, Martin. See ya 'round! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:07, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== User page ==

'''''AWESOME''''' user page Dot com! Where did you find that template thing?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 14:51, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks, BK! I spotted the code for the stuff at the top on a user page over at WikiCities, and then I just adapted it to my page. I also decided to update a few things, expand a few things, add some new sections, and make the format more readable. I'm glad you like it! I just changed it yesterday... what led you to notice it? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. I just look a recent changes alot and you're on there alot.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 17:21, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Go Bearcats!==
Are you from missouri or the area? The Bearcats aren't well known outside the area..
--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 05:17, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, no, I'm not. I've only been to Missouri a handful of times. I confess I looked it up. Go google! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:22, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Brilliance==

You sir, are quite a genius. I was trying to figure out a good way of keeping the two [[Inside Jokes]] lists the same. Your solution for its sister page, [[Running Gags]], is perfect. Therefore I copied it on Inside Jokes. Thank you very much, and keep up the good work. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:28, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, TBird! Organizing Strong Bad Emails in different ways I can understand. But it just didn't make sense to have two lists with identical information organized the same way. We misinterpret "[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once and Only Once]]" around here, but this was a clear case where it fit perfectly. Thanks for the compliment! And I will keep it up! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I know, it was kinda a tricky thing. I suggested just making [[:Category:Running Gags]] the whole page, but Tom said they weren't meant for that. I never thought of just making the page link to the list, instead of being the list. Thanks for thinking of it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:17, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==The Process==
Hey, '''Dot com''', it's [[User:Thesmokingmonkey|The Smoking Monkey]]. As you seem both knowledgeable and up front about how things get done, I thought I'd come to you. Recently, I've been doing the whole recent change patrolling bit, and have come up with the following questions:
*Do all edits done by anonymous users need to be reverted? I've encountered a few that are correct or beneficial.
*Conversely, if a registered user makes a questionable edit (say, for example, adding a goof or remark that is open to debate), what would I do? I've reverted a couple, and I need to make sure this is within the rules.

Thanks for any input you might have.

:Well, Smoking Monkey, anonymous users are more than welcome to contribute. I daresay ''everyone'' (with the exception of the handful of people who actually set up the wiki) started out as an anonymous user. They often have insight or experience that are invaluable to getting to the bottom of an article. The reason we keep such a close eye on people who aren't members is that it just happens that most of the edits that are redundant, obvious, or otherwise non-beneficial come from anonymous users. The vast majority of trolls are anonymous as well. So, to make a long story short, '''do not ''automatically'' revert anonymous edits.''' (Note: if we wanted, we could prevent anonymous editing with a simple setting; obviously, we have not chosen to do this.)

:If a logged in user makes a bad edit, it can be reverted just like an anonymous edit. '''Logged-in users get a little special treatment, however.''' First of all, it's polite to list a reason in the edit summary instead of simply rolling back the page. Second, if an edit is borderline, strongly consider starting a discussion on the relevant talk page instead of simply removing another user's work.

:I hope this helps. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Understood. I don't want to be overzealous in reverting things - the last thing I want to do is step on toes and hurt feelings. But my "common sense" might not be so "common" to everyone. Trying to be careful as I go. -TSM

:::I just happened upon this discussion and figured I drop a word or two. My general rule of thumb is this: revert bad edits, keep good ones. Rewrite bad wording (there's *A LOT* of it). Have fun, be polite, but be bold! It's pretty simple, really! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:06, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the input! -- {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 17:13, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::That's an excellent way to put it, Tom (I've always assumed your name is Tom... your user page has never said anything other than "Hello world!"). I'll probably steal your rule of thumb and not give you credit, just so you know. ;) To it I would add one thing: if you ever have legitimate doubt about whether an anonymous edit is good or bad, '''take the action that leads to ''more'' content.''' That is, if someone adds something but you're not sure, then just leave it. But if an anonny deletes something (especially something big) that you think has merit, put it back.
:::There's ''always'' more than one logged-in user looking at these pages, so it all usually gets straightened out in the end. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:19, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Hi, It's dot com. I need your help.. your the only one I really trust to have enough patients with me! Anydangways, could you help me figiure out how to make my signiture stand out? I notice that alot of people do that, but I have no clue how. [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 06:45, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh, never mind. The Paper helped me {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 06:48, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Glad you got that worked out. I made a couple of code tweaks for you so that the date would show up correctly on the same line as the sig. Wish I could've helped you more, but I've gotta sleep ''sometime''. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:51, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==[[:Template:sightingslist|New Template]]==

Thanks Dot Com, that color looks good. I'm just wondering about the centering. On the Email template (the one I modeled this one after), it's much larger, and fills the whole screen from side to side. This one doesn't, so on larger displays, such as mine, it's shifted to the left. Any idea how to center it? (And for the sizing, it's small on the Strong Bad Emails to save space. I don't think it'd be too bad to have medium font on this template, for easier reading and clicking). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:53, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br>
'''EDIT:''' I think the centering thing could be something to do with 'width="100%"' {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:55, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Er, I guess you haven't looked at the template again yet, because I already fixed the centering. All the other nav templates (SB email, answering machines, CD, DVD, etc.) use <nowiki><small></nowiki>, so I figured this one should, too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Hmmm... For some reason it still seems askew on my browser. Oh well, I don't care much. Like so many things on a wiki, I'm sure it'll somehow get fixed later, by someone else. And sorry about the sizing thing, I guess I'm wrong on that. In any case, I'm going to bed. Here's hoping the trolls do too. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:08, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Amen to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Character screenames ==

Um, Mr. Dot com, sir.... I was just wondering if it was article-worthy to write about the AIM screenames of all the characters. Just a thought.... -- [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

:Let's have a brainstorm. What ''are'' all the screen names used by the characters? Just curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:26, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I know of hooray4dolphins for Marzipan (although it's debateable that Strong Bad was telling the truth), cheatachu72 for The Cheat, and depressio111117 for Strong Sad. There's also gr8lookinggrrl from i she be. Although, in my opinion, these aren't really worthy of an article. -- [[user:mibluvr13|<span style="color: #6600FF">mibluvr13</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:mibluvr13|<span style="color: #9999FF">dígame</span>]]</sup> 01:30, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps it could be noted in a specific spot on the character pages of those that are known, since we don't know them all. By the way, you don't have to call me sir. "Mr. Dot com" is fine. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Thank you, Mr. Dot com. I just felt it was noteworthy somewhere. --[[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

:::I was kidding about the mister part, too. You can call me Dot com if you want. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==Free Country USA==

'''It's dot com''', it's your friendly neighborhood '''Smoking Monkey''' again. I just wanted to comment on the [[Free Country, USA]] thing earlier today, because I've made you my unofficial HRWiki mentor and seek your advice from time to time on Wiki matters.

In any case, what caught my attention was an anonymous user dumped, say, 50% more info on the Free Country article. I've noticed over the weeks that 90% of anonymous edits tend to be speculation, stating the obvious, or just plain wrong. Let's say the other 9% are helpful typo, spelling and grammar corrections. It's that 1% that leads to doubt. This guy/gal radically expanded a decent article, but I couldn't tel whether the expansion was worthy or not. I know I was previously advised to err on the side of expanded content, but I've seen even registered users get slammed for adding little bits of info to articles. This guy/gal added a lot, and when I first saw it, I balked. It seemed like speculation, so I reverted.

Then '''Mr. Bojangles''' re-reverted. I looked at it a second time - this time I saw disconnected thoughts that added only confusion - so I reverted ''again''.

Then '''you''' reverted my change, and I looked at it a third time. This time, I saw neither speculation nor confused thinking - only prose that needed refining.

I admit I've been in a bad mood recently, and have been, er, draconian in my enforcement of what I perceive is appropriate for the Wiki. I admit I was wrong reverting this article across the board.

Hopefully I made it up by actually adding to and trying to improve on the additions of the anonymous (and British) user - I got a little too caught up in making sure others play by the rules...

Faithfully patrolling the Wiki, {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 00:26, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Your characterization of anonymous edits is probably dead-on accurate (except when pages are first being created, which isn't that often, relatively speaking). If someone has something important to add, they usually take the step of registering first. Most of my edits were relatively minor until I registered. In fact, it was when I was trying to add something more substantial that I was encouraged to join.

:I appreciate that you consider me something of a mentor, and I take seriously my responsibility to you and others I help. I carefully consider any advice I give, and it is always my hope that each user's experience here is improved by my input. This can't always be the case when someone disagrees with me, but in cases like that I try to be as diplomatic as possible. As far as anonymous users go, I try to incorporate any part of their contributions that I can—anything—so that they will feel important and be comfortable enough to finally become full contributing members.

:In ''this'' specific case, you may notice that I didn't do a straight revert, but rather cleaned it up a bit before adding it back.

:If there's anything else I can help you with, you know I will. Besides, we 28-year-olds have to stick together. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:42, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I see you're taking your critical, incisive eye to my runway pet project ([[Free Country, USA]])- and it's about time. Of all the times I've proof-read, and internally debated the structure and the "facts" of the article, I knew that others would need to parse and improve on my own thoughts. And, speaking of my own thoughts, all I have to thank for my (irrational?) devotion to this article is some anonymous British kid I tried to censor.

::In any case, I think most of it holds up well.

::I really need to sleep,

::{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 02:49, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Sleep well, Dave. Irrational devotion to articles, by the way, can strangely be a good thing, and is therefore completely welcome around here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:19, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

''(For more on specific parts of the above article, see [[Talk:Free Country, USA]].)''

==Offline==
Hey It's dot com! I was wondering what you did with the 2005 updates page? Was it a ploy to annoy the troll? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:08, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hey Rogue. That troll is not a person; rather, it is some kind of bot that searches for the different sections on the page and adds links under each one. My reasoning was that if I removed all the sections, it would have nothing to do, and would quit. In the meantime, I put up a notice so that any regular user who was looking at the page would be aware of what was going on. I don't know whether my actions actually did anything, or whether it was just coincidence that the attack stopped (almost) at that point. Only further research will tell. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Another positive consequence: it may help the bot move on to less-visible pages. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:32, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::It just happened again, and this time I think blanking the page actually did some good. The bot made one more attempt after I blanked it, but then it moved on. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:27, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Man, you're the man! ==

How can you not be a sysop? You are one great user. When I read others' talk pages, you are alweys there to halp and give advise. Your edits and comments are alweys constructive and truthful. Your are the awesomest thing ever. Would you write a song about me? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:23, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry for not replying sooner (and I don't mean because the database was locked), but things were already in the works (see the thread two down from here), just not yet official. It's been a while since I wrote a song (I've written a few, but it was always for a class), but maybe I'll see what I can do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:18, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== How old are you??? ==

Well. How old are you??? (Pertmywert)
:Twenty-eight. Almost twenty-nine as of this writing. Why? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:15, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Just Wondering. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}}

== Sysop ==

Just letting you know, you have been given [[HRWiki:Administrators|sysop]] privileges. If you have any questions, never hesitate to ask. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:28, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:To JoeyDay, Tom, and all of you who have supported this, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I promise to fight for truth, justice, and the wiki way, and to always use my powers for good, and for awesome. Sincerely, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] — 17:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Congrats, Dot com, and thank you for all the work you put into this wiki. Whether it be STUFF, troll fighting, public relations, revising, rewriting, copyediting, collaborating, you always do a top-notch job. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:49, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Dot com! Conga rats, yo. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:01, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::Please forgive me for the delay in these combolations. This is an honor you've deserved for quite some time now, glad to see you can finally block all of those trolls that irk us so. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 03:45, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::Here here, congrats! You've finally been endowed with the tools you so desperately deserved. (I was on the chat channel when JoeyDay first awarded them their powers, but it doesn't hurt to congratulate twice) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:56, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::'''Combolations, Valerie'''! You'll no doubt do an outstanding job as sysop! {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:24, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Jay here. I see from the Recent Changes page that the two of you were named sysops at the Homestar Runner Wiki. Way to go! Join the elite ranks! I was actually thinking a while back that you two would make [good sysops], though I played no part in the actual decision. I'd congratulate you on the Wiki itself, but, well... ''(from [[User:Jay|Jay]] via email at 09:35, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC), sent while the wiki was locked)''
:::::::: To note, the above was also sent to BazookaJoe (who was named a sysop at the same time). I wasn't really expecting it to appear on this Wiki... But you guys both help out a lot around here, from refining STUFF to troll-fighting to whatever, so I do stand by what I said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Bricka bracker firecracker sis boom bah! Dot com dot com rah rah rah! {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:51, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm a little late to the party, but I still wanted to congratulate you on the recently-acquired sysop privileges... Ahem, "pri-vah-lah-gez". http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/sbgif.gif Mazal tov! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 23:58, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Congrats!!!{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 04:04, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::Way 2 go!!! You da bomb! {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 02:40, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Once again, thanks to everyone who has left a note here! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Fanstuff Wiki ==

Thank you for telling me. Man, I feel stupid right now... --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 19:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Don't feel dumb. Stuff like that happens to all of us. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Pronounced with an "RWiki" ==

This is a bit trivial, but an interesting fact. As you know, I'm all hung up on England, and even spent three weeks there. In response to your question 'wouldn't it be pronounced aitch-are-wiki?', the answer is 'no'. Not in England. Just the same way they pronounce the letter Z as 'zed', they also put an H sound in front of H, making it 'haitch' or something thereof. I'm not sure if this is of significance, but it's an interesting fun-fact nonetheless. I think so, anyway. But since the Wiki (and H*R itself) are American-based, your 'an HRWiki namespace' would technically be correct. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:What do I think of the English, huh? Oh, I'll tell you what I think of the English! ''{the rest of this post has been BANNED IN THE U.K.}'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Blockquote ==

How do you make that "blockquote" (i'm not sure what it is called but thats what it said in editing) where it shows what Strong Bad wrote on his computer on the transcripts? Is there a way to do it in HTML or just plain text? I'm just curious, because I think it will be so cool if I write my internet blogs like that.

Thanks again and again. You are the one user that I always go to for help! THANKS!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 19:22, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry for the delay in responding. I might suggest that you would get a faster reply by posting questions to the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]]. Anyway, it's possible to recreate the blockquote style outside the wiki, but you need to know some CSS and where to find it. First of all, the HTML (<nowiki><blockquote> ...blah blah <br/> ... </blockquote></nowiki>) is the same as the code you get when you press "edit", so you could just copy one of those to practice. What you need then is the various definitions for "email" found in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] (and possibly other CSS files... check the source code of a wiki page to see what they are). Also, you would need the image of Strong Bad's face copied and saved to your server. It sounds kinda coplicated, but I hope this helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:55, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== WOW ==
Hey, '''Ben.''' I know you probably noticed, but we had a WOW-style vandal before (Homestar walker). But he...apologized? He seems a tad confused. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 18:01, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hey, '''Dave.''' I did notice. In fact, I deleted all the bogus redirects I could find. I think I got them all. As for blocking him, I wasn't sure whether to do it. If blocking would lead to more vandalism but ''not'' blocking wouldn't, then I'm willing to leave well enough alone. I was actually seeking advice from Joey and/or Tom, but neither of them seems to be online right at the moment. Obviously, if Willy or whoever this gets so much as a toe out of line again, he'll get the indefinite block. What do you think? I haven't been able to get in touch with any of the other sysops, either, so he could yet be blocked by one of them and this discussion would be moot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:12, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::'Tis rather curious. I can't help but feel we're being blackmailed by the devil. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:15, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Hmmm...since it was my first WOW-battling incident, I was bit hot afterwards, ''especially'' when he came out and said "sorry" and then "if you try to block me, I'll just do it again." It all seemed typically sophmoric to me - clearly he was having fun moving the same four pages over and over and over again, but then he lost interest and indicated he wanted to contribute. Essentially, he was malicious, but only so long as it saved him from being bored.

:::Your point is well-taken, though: if we can't actually block him because of the AOL loop-hole, then I guess it shouldn't be a problem if he continues behaving like a normal user. I'm not big on holding grudges, and if '''Venusy''' and '''bkmlb''' (the other two users caught up in the battle against him) don't have a problem with him staying on, then I don't have a problem.

:::That is, until he gets bored again! {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 10:56, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC) (Incidentally, the idea of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny in and of itself)

::::As long as he doesn't do it again, I don't have a problem. And you're right, the concept of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 12:12, 24 September 2005 (BST)
::::'''EDIT:''' I shouldn't have used MS Paint to do [http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/Venusy/smokingmonkeyonwheels.png this] in 5 minutes.
:::::Dude, that's hilarious! I wonder what kind of mileage he gets? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}11:35, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== sysops ==

I was wondering, how do you become a sysops?
-lil stiny

:I have actually written on this subject on several other pages. Below is a copy of [[User_talk:Homestar_Coder/MayAug2005#I_have_a_big_query.|this discussion]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:19, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

<blockquote><small>Hey AtHC, How do people become Administrators? I've been thinking about that... -Kinsey

:I don't want to presume to speak for Aurora, but I've written at length about this very subject on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Balmung_of_Azure_Sky&oldid=96317#Welcome this page], if that helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:42, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::''Here is the relevant text from that page:''<blockquote>Becoming an admin, as they're also called, is a good goal to have, but it doesn't happen overnight. Basically, you start out at the bottom of the totem pole, and work your way up. Over time, people will begin to notice your edits; you'll want to make good ones. If you do, gradually a sense of trust will develop between you and the wiki community. In the meantime, fight [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|trolls]], add good [[stuff|fun facts]], [[Special:Recentchanges|monitor]] pages for bad edits, help out with the maintenance of the site, learn the ins and outs of the software. Undertake a worthwhile project (but ... it's best to get approval before doing so). Then, sometime in the future, the current admins will open the floor for nominations for new sysops, at which time another user can throw your name in the ring. Then, we'll all vote on you. They probably won't nominate new admins for a while, and when they do, maybe you'll be nominated, maybe not. Either way, keep on keepin' on making good edits and building up that trust. It's just that simple!</blockquote>

::I'm glad you posted that, It's dot com, because it's a good explanation! Definately monitor for edits, learn to recognize good and poor edits, and always be diplomatic in discussions. Undertaking worthwhile projects (with wiki-approval first) is a great way to contribute and be noticed. To all of this, I would add that you should think about why you want to become an administrator. If you want to be an administrator to have more power, that's the wrong reason. It's about responsibility, not power, and it sometimes involves doing unpleasant things. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:46, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
</small></blockquote>
teehee, the entire time I was reading this I'm picturing It's dot com sitting at his compy/lappy dictating this message in the best strong bad impression he can make. The question was very similar to several of the sbemails and the answer was just as good except it didn't make fun of lil stiny (I'm not saying he should have, but that was the only difference) [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
:No, I wouldn't make fun here. I just have already thought long about this question and felt that the previous discussion (especially including the reply by Homestar Coder) covered the subject well. Thus, it was practical to copy and paste. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Super-plain link==

Is there any way to link something, but keep it just a regular black color, without underlining or anything? perhaps some kind of color tags or a 'no underline' tag before and after? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:42, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Sure. One of the words in this sentence [[Blue Laser minion|<span style="color:black;text-decoration:none;">is</span>]] a link to a page. If you wanted to be really sneaky, I think you could even force it not to show the "hand pointing" cursor that is usually displayed when you're over a link. Out of curiosity, what makes you ask? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Hmmm... The link is still underlined. And It's not that I want it sneaky, I still want the hand to pop up. I just want uniformity. Is there any way to get rid of the underline? Then I'll let you know why. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:04, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::I will have to do more research. I don't know why the text-decoration property isn't being correctly displayed by your browser. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== block ==

what does it take to bann someone? [[User:Lil Stiny|Lil Stiny]] 02:39, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:That depends. Why do you ask? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::i just fixed some vandalism and i was wondering [[User:Lil Stiny|Lil Stiny]] 02:42, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. Well, here is our official [[HRWiki:Blocking Policy|blocking policy]]. Whenever you notice vandalism, leave a note on [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]]. Try to follow the format as best you can, but don't worry if you don't get it quite right (someone will fix it for you). The sysops check that page and block vandals and trolls listed there. Hope that helps. Oh, and I went ahead and took care of the guy you mentioned. Thanks for looking out for the wiki! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:55, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Senor Cardgage Mortgage ==

I checked those two Fast Forwards for you. They were indeed factual. However, they still don't qualify as Fun Facts in my book. The "Fun" part is seriously lacking on those two, in my opinion. [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] 21:18, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Right. It wasn't that I thought that they were untrue, just that they didn't really qualify as references. Thanks for checking on that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:20, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Pasta Salad a go-go ==

Hey, Ben. Thanks for, um, clarifying the tone of my voice for the whole Pasta Salad talk Page boondoggle. It's easy for me to forget no one around here (short of you) really has any idea who I am. Life's kinda throwing me a curveball right now, and as an artist, I tend to get irrational about my work (even if it's three sentences about Gron Mad eating elbow macaroni). I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Anyway, thanks as always for the classic Dot com level-headedness. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 22:28, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Well, Dave, I just knew you wouldn't make an article—on whatever subject—without a positive reason, and certainly not to make a point. As far as I can tell, that's not your style. And I felt I needed to step up and say so, so I did. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:36, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Geddup Noise ==

It's dot com, it's getting pretty ugly over here at [[geddup noise]]. There is a constant revert/add between whether the KOT says Booo or Dooo. Maybe someone should add a footnote about the transcript, like in [[boring (really)]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:36, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Archives==

I wasn't sure where to ask this, but you seem to know alot. So what exactly is this archives.org that people keep retrieving treasures from? How does it really work, and would you be able to provide me with an answer to my question on [[Talk:some kinda robot]]? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:50, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not really all that familiar with that, TBird. You might try the FAQ talk. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Greetings ==

Hey there It's dot com, i got your message from my talk page thanks for the greeting.

I'm new to Homestar runner wiki, but i'm also a member of Wikipedia it self, so i know about this (~) to write my name, and how to upload images ETC.

Lets get to know each other a bit:

#How did you find me so quickly?
#whats your real name?
#whats your speciality in Hrwiki?
#are you a member of wikipedia? if so whats your user name?

hope so see your reply.

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 06:05, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Well, Nikolce...
:#I saw you create your user page in the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]].
:#Ben.
:#Read all about me on my [[User:It's dot com|user page]].
:#I edit Wikipedia as an anonymous user from time to time, but I'm not a member.
:Again, welcome to the wiki! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:11, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

by the way it's dot com, when you reply, reply the message to my talk page, it's just easier to know i have s new message, but thats if you want to. [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 04:45, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, Nikolce, I'm a big believer in keeping threads in one place. But you're welcome to add me to your [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]] if you want, at least until you get a reply. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Reynold ==

Alright, I have to ask. As my first bold attempt at helping keep the peace in this particular Wiki, I remove a Wikipedia reference to pizza. Why is a link to such a common food necessary? [[User:Come back, chocolates!|Come back, chocolates!]]
:Where is the harm in including it? The article is interesting, and you might be surprised how much pizza differs in other countries from the U.S. version. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:52, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::No harm per se, it was simply my motivation to prevent the building a precedent of Wiki-linking every common object, regardless of its history. But I digress. -[[User:Come back, chocolates!|Come back, chocolates!]]

==Encountering trolls==

Uh... I think i just found a troll. What do i do? --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:First things first... what did you find? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::Oh wait, dorian gray deleted it, i think. It was on the user page [[User:Aussie Evil]]. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:20, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh good, thanks for blockin them. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:25, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Below are some general suggestions for anyone who might be faced with this issue in the future. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

'''If you find a troll, especially one in progress:'''
*Revert each affected page to the last good version (the instructions for reverting are at the top of [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]]).
*''Use the edit comment "reverting trolling".'' This will help the sysops notice something is wrong.
*Make an entry on [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] for the troll. If no sysops are around at the time of the vandalism, they can check the list and make appropriate blocks later.
'''Some things to remember, especially in the face of a serious attack:'''
*Remain calm.
*Remain professional.
'''Some things ''not'' to do:'''
*Do not feed the trolls.
*That is, do not put anything in edit summaries that would encourage them to continue their attacks.
*Likewise, do not try to reason with them or taunt them on their talk pages.
Hope that helps! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:It does, thanks!!!! --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:14, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Edit comments==
How does one make editing comments? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 21:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Click "edit" at the right over there → . Then look just below the editing window. See where it says "Summary"? Type something in that box. That's how you leave an edit comment. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Alphabetizing Categories and Catchin' Trolls==
This seems like a good place to put stuff... I don't wanna clutter your talk by making new categories, that's why I keep piggybacking my messages. Ever thought of Archiving!? (gasp!) Hehe. Anyway on to ''buisness'':
*Ooooohhh! Right! So that's what it does. I thought it changed how the entry looked in the category list, and seeing no change, thought it did nothing. I had to remove it cuz it was autolinking to PseudoCharacters edit page, and I am sure I had created the link after I made the page. And I think I tried to purge... the hard way... Maybe? Anyway thanks for the fix!
*BTW check out my first troll person report!
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:10, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:    If a comment really is a continuation of an earlier thread, then go ahead and piggyback, but if it's a new thought, then it's perfectly fine to (and I prefer that you would) start a new thread. :) I reorganize my talk page from time to time and it helps me keep everything straight. As for archiving, I'm probably gonna put it off for at least a little bit longer. Only recently has this page exploded to the point that archiving would be necessary. If you want to see a page really in need of being split, look at [[User talk:Tom|Tom's talk page]].
:    As for the user who deleted things, well, he's not a troll. You may disagree with the things he deleted, but each example was something that is borderline. I even agree with a couple of them. Also, there's no reason to think that he saw the message left him in the edit summaries. Most anonymous users probably never look there. If you need to leave him a note, you should do so on his talk page.
:    Sorry for removing him from the troll list, because I can tell you're proud of it and that your heart is in the right place. Don't worry... there'll be plenty others. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:36, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah.... I was proud of it. You're quite observant! :). Bye troll edit :'( ... ;) To me they looked like random edits removing credible information. He was just over that side of the line (except for his first edit). Oh well. Next time! Catch ya later! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:36, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==IP block issues==
Yo, Mr. Dot Com, might I ask why you keep blocking my IP address every time, and also mark me as a "repeat offender?" I asked nicely for you and the other sysops to fix the rpoblem of this, because it's getting extremely frustrating for me when I want to edit something and I can't because somebody with a similar IP addy is trolling the site. This is now the fifth time that something like this has happened, and the second consecutive time that it's been you who has blocked me. I know you're just trying to do your job, but it isn't fair to people who follow all the wiki rules to be blocked just because of idiotic trolls who like to delete pages and add cuss words to them. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 01:57, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:I apologize for any inconvenience, ISlayedTheKerrek. I will be happy to investigate your situation further, but I need some more information. What was the IP address that was blocked? When did you notice the problem? How do you connect to the Internet? I have reviewed the block log, and any blocks I have imposed for any real length are for what I consider serious infractions. There have been only three occasions when I have used the comment "repeat offender," only one of which was recent. In addition, the IPs fitting this description have had zero legitimate edits. Unfortunately, since this seems to be a recurring problem, it may not have a simple solution. There are some real jerks out there whose mission in life seems to be to spoil the fun for everybody else. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we try to sort this out. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:23, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::My IP address, although I don't know EXACTLY which one it is offhand, is in the 205 range. Note this as well...I am not editing from my computer at this exact moment, as you again have blocked me because of the reason I stated before. I hope you can find a way to fix it soon, because this is now time number 5. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:28, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::KerekSlayerDude: You can check your IP by going to [http://www.ipchicken.com IP Chicken]. Let us know the exact IP that is blocked and we'll see if we can get the block removed. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:54, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, my current IP address according to IP Chicken is 152.163.101.7, which has changed in the last couple of days from the 205.whatever it was before. Right now, I'm able to edit from my computer, so all is good for now. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, Kerrek. If you have this problem in the future please let us know. Again, we're sorry about the inconvenience. We appreciate having you around and hate to see good productive members getting blocked an behalf of nasty trollers. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:18, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::Actually, he ''slayed'' the Kerrek. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::ISlayedTheKerrek, if you ever find yourself blocked from editing again, please simply email a sysop or [mailto:admin@hrwiki.org the Admins] a short note explaining the situation. Make sure you include the IP address that appears on the blocked notice. It is easy for a sysop to unblock you, you just need to supply us with the proper information and remain calm. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:34, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== ATTENTION: this is a joke, don't take it seriously ==

I thought you of all people would know that it's against the rules to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sick_Day&curid=12730&diff=0&oldid=157606 tamper with other people's comments]. I'll let it slide this time, but try to be more careful in the future. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:46, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Well, at least I justified it by doing it for no good reason whatsoever. ;) ...Seriously (and I know you said don't take it seriously), you ''can'' fix others' formatting to a point, so long as you don't change the ''content'' of their comments. And, for purely aesthetic value, those color words really needed to be colorized. I would have gone with green for "greediest" (which of course is not a color word, just different from "greatest"), but it was already taken by "greenest." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I know... Just a little too bored this morning. I usually don't let it get the best of me, but what can I say. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:04, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::Likewise, I only replied (partly) seriously because I don't like comments to go unanswered, especially on my own talk page, and I couldn't think of what else to say. Also, if someone comes along and reads this later, I wanted to explain it so they'll have a clue as to what we were talking about. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:18, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::Hey, it's my sig color! *is greediest* :p {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:10, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== IRC channel ==

How ... do you join it? This little experience has made me like this wiki, more, and now I want to join the chat channel. HOW?!?! {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:There are several ways, but the easiest way is to go to [http://chat.hrwiki.org chat.hrwiki.org] and follow the instructions there. See also [[HRWiki:IRC channel]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Hi from H*L! ==
Hallo! I was ''so'' glad that my new page was noticed by a Wiki legend like yourself... Anydangway, it's cool to be welcomed into the Wiki community. I seem to be gaining popularity among current and former music students. Keep on tranglin'. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 04:33, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply. I must have missed your comments. A ''legend''? Heh, I don't know about ''that'', but it's kind of you to say. And tranglin' is my middle name. Well, actually "dot" is, but if I ever changed my name, it might be to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's tranglin' com]] 23:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Help creating welcome template? ==
I'm kinda embarrassing, since this is the sort of thing that seems like it ought to be easy to find an answer to—but it hasn't been. I want to start welcoming folks formally, and thought it would be nice to make an adapted welcome message of my own. I know doing this would involve creating a subpage in my userspace—but I have no idea how to go about that. Thanks! —[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 05:32, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Oooo! May I? (answer this one?) Making templates and new pages is really easy. So I hope I can explain well. First things first, new pages. All you need to do to create a page is to go to it and start editing it. Make sure you save the page, so it actually writes something down to create the page! Suppose you wanted to create a page called "strombalos" under your user space, then you'd go to [[User:notstrongorbad/strombalos]] (notice how it's in red now -- if you click on it now it'll take you straight to the edit page), and start adding information. It's that simple! You can even (from your user page) type the new URL yourself and start it that way. As for templates: all you need to do for the basic form is to put regular wiki code. There is more on templates that you can learn [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template here], cuz they have neat stuff like variables and the like. There is more general help [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section here]. Now for your specific case, you want to make a welcome page for our guests. I won't go into detail here, but you must use the template format in a special way. Suppose you had a template [[User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template]] in that page. Then you inject the code: <code><nowiki>{{subst:User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template}}</nowiki></code> into the victims', er, guests page and hit submit. It will inject the code and replace the contents of the template in his page. To practice, you can always use the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]. Good luck! I hope this helps. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:57, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::And that's what I needed to know! DONK! Many thanks. —[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 08:12, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Block ==

Dot com, you blocked me then unblocked me.-24.24.226.13

:Yes. You keep messing with [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]], and it's hard to tell whether you're doing so maliciously. I suggest not doing that. The time that I blocked you, I thought you were blanking the page; then I realized those had recently been moved to an archive. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Hyphen?! ==
(in regards to Freshley's) I know it's an apostrophe; I have no idea what I was thinking when I made the edit. Just so you know that I'm not completely stupid. :-) The reason I reverted the edit, though, was even though it's correct, the display of the link is really funky, and for readability, it probably needs to be without the apostrophe, correct or not. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you mean by really funky. I just looked at it again, and it looks normal to me. Either way, it's correct with the apostrophe, so it probably needs to be with it, funky or not. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
::At least for me, the external link box doesn't show up, unlike next to Mrs. Freshley's and the like, so there's several spaces between the word Shaw's and the text that follows it (such as Shaw's____and then text). But yeah, it does need it. That's why I had added it in the first place, but then I figured that it wasn't in the word because the link looked weird, so I took it back out. So it turns out that an edit of mine that I reverted was reverted back. Or something. My head hurts. — [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 05:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sandbox Talk ==

Since talking through Sandbox edits can get old, I figure I'd at least close the conversation here! :) Anyway thanks for the help making the edit easier, even if I was done by that time. At least I have a better idea of how play around with this more efficiently! :D --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:Heh. Yeah, I was gonna follow along with what you were doing, but all that extra stuff kept getting in the way. Oh, well. Glad I could ''almost'' help. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

==Regarding the Article of the Day==

Thanks for the image revert. I probably should have discussed the choice of image earlier, but hindsight is 50/50. I didn't exactly have my heart set on any one image, since the one I came up with originally was a different one altogether. I could see an edit war happening with this feature, what with like 50 images to choose from. I just wanted something easy to make out and understandable, that embodied the early Fanstuff, particularly drawings (since they don't usually feature those anymore). But the Matrix parody is a fun, clever, simple pic, and one that TBC also meantioned in the FAQ. Thanks for keeping watch. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:I've protected images on the main page before. Are we also supposed to protect featured ''articles'' as well? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::If it's changed again, we could just protect the article. I don't think usually, since alot of users link stuff, fix wording, ect. Perhaps something similar in the future might warrent a featured article overview protect. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

== 2D Boombox ==

I just rewatch Sibbie. It looks like the radio gets thinner which would make it a goof as it loses normal aspect ratio but I wouldn't care so much if this doesn't make it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== E-mail this User ==

Hey, It's dot com. Just wondering what's up with the E-mail this User feature. Whenever you press the link, it says that you need to log in or enter a valid email address in your preferences. Any ideas what's wrong? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:Have you entered a valid email address in your preferences? Have you confirmed it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:[Edit Conflict] You need to validate your email address using the link in your prefs. Also, if the person you're trying to email hasn't enabled the feature, you won't be able to send one. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

== Merry Birthday! ==

[[Image:fanstuff cake.jpg|left|thumb|170px|the only birthday cake I could find on such a short notice!]]I assume that from your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AIt%27s_dot_com&diff=182812&oldid=181207 edit] that on this day October 25, 2X years ago you were born!? Well, a happy birthday cake to you too! Congratulations! Next year you'll have to tell me what the big 3X feels like cuz I'm not that far behind ... (ok I'm slightly less than halfway there)... Congratz! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::Happy T!, I mean happy birthday. {clears throats and prepares to sing} "This is your birthday song, it isn't very long! Hey!" {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Sweet, sweet Dot Com, Today is the day on your real (?) I.D.<br>
Now, get upstairs—unh! And fix me some new pages! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Hehehe... Ah, you thought you could hide it from us with your ever-so-subtle edit coz you knew people'd make a big deal out of it, yeah? Lo, but we wiki users are too sharp for that. No edit escapes our eyes. Yea unto the dawning of a new era... or just another It's dot com birthday. Seriously, though. Happy birthday, and all that. Interesting... Next year, I'm assuming you'll be hitting 30. I'll be hitting 20 just before that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::DorianGray wrote - "Next year, I'm assuming you'll be hitting 30." Sarcastic reply - yep that usually comes after 29.
::DorianGray wrote - "Lo, but we wiki users are too sharp for that." reply - no we just don't have a life, at least not one that others would understand.
:: Again, Happy T! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks every peoples! ''(Longer reply to follow later.)'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Sweet, sweet Dot Com! Today is the day on your (real) ID! So get upstairs and make me some breakfast! ;) Seriously though, Happy Happy Birthday! {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

::I love the Happy Birthday bandwagon! Please allow me to hop on and do that thing where I tell you to have a good day and all that stuff. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Happy sweet someteen bash, It's dot com. By the way, is it going to be [[Wikipedia:Nick at Night|Nick at Night]] themed again? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

::Happy hundredth birthday, Dot Com! [/cliche] Need I remind you that you were born just a few days before Matt Chapman? You're ''so'' lucky. Keep on keepin' on! —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy birthday! :) {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy B. Er... I mean, Happy Birthday! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Happy birthday, Ben. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy birthday, buddy. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Er, Happy Birthday. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 00:20, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:Happy very belated birthday its dot com! (Better late then never, I assume). {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::Many belated combolations, Valerie. I hope you gamble all my...particles. <font size=1>Man, so cool!</font> - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Cool Cool User ==

Hey man i'm just saying you deserved the User Award thingy you got and i've herd my brother has been a jerk to you so i'm just here to say that he's dumb your really cool. But was it you that deleated my goof on the DVD? If it was why did you do it? Well please respond to this Bye.
:Wow this a random comment !?!? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
::Yes and no. This user (wrongly) thinks that one of the shots that makes up the artwork in the interior of the Strong Bad Email DVD 4 is from [[dullard]], not [[other days]]. See [[Talk:strongbad email.exe Disc Four]] for more info. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:::And it wasn't I who removed that item in question, but <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=strongbad_email.exe_Disc_Four&diff=183033&oldid=183023 Homestar Coder]</span>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

== SIG 2 ==
Hey do you know how to get thoese awsom Signatures that people have -- Billy Bob Bob

:see the help section under Sig. that's where I learned. followed steps and you'll be all set {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, start by typing four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). That should do you for now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

== New Page ==

Hey do you know how to make a new artical? I wan't to make one.

:You just have to insert the name of the page into two bracets like this:<nowiki>[[</nowiki>pagename<nowiki>]]</nowiki> Then, hit showpreview and the link should appear red. Click on it and edit away.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Oz ==

Look, it's clear you don't support the Oz reference. Let me at least put it where I intended it to be, and quit moving it. It's about to die anyway, let it rest where it belongs. There is no need to reply. [[User:B|B]] 04:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Too late. It's dead. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Well great, and now because of your tampering with it, we have an archive that carries your agenda rather than the question being discussed. Hope you enjoyed the power trip. [[User:B|B]] 04:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh, spare me the theatrics. As explained on the page, the throwaway line in different down didn't even compare to the visuals New Boots provided. If anything, that's where the reference would be. But, like I said there, it's not a reference in the first place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Speaking of theatrics, now you've blanked your page? I don't see why you would leave just because we disagree on which toon this item doesn't refer to. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Okay, play nice, guys. It's understandable you'd be frustrated, B, since I agree that different town should have been the only toon in discussion. But on the other hand, it stood even less chance than New Boots, so the change did you a favor of sorts. But either way, I find it's best to separate yourself from pages/edits you create; if they wind up going down, it's not a personal thing. (I say that, but yeah, I still find it hard.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::While that item was open, I thought about trying to tie the two pages in together, but after the voting got going, I realized it wasn't worth the effort. I maintain that if the reference were true, both toons would be independent references to the Oz episode, and New Boots—not different town—would have the strongest connection to it. Therefore, B, I resent your saying that I was going on a power trip, since I sincerely believe my actions to be in line with what was best for the wiki. Those who know me well know that I take great pains to ''avoid'' the mere hint of such a so-called trip. I do apologize, however, if my actions seemed in haste to you. That was not my intention. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::In the interest of fairness to all points of view, I have amended the page with a link to ''both'' toons, and I will be including it in the main archive under both names and on both talk pages. I hope this compromise is satisfactory. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::: The issue is that I have decided that I have better things to do than to remain attached to the seedy underbelly that is the wiki disussion. I will continue to visit, as the site is ''really cool''. I won't make contributions unless no one else can provide what I have to offer, or if there is a blatant error on a page. I may continue to play on the sound effects page. Other than that, I have nothing else to add.
:::::::: The amendment is acceptable. The beef was not with what was the better referene. My beef was that it kept getting moved and altered. And without comment. The whole event was a display in discourteousness (on both parts, mine especially). I don't do much of this, and I worked hard trying to get that right. I appreciate the re-consideration.
:::::::: end of line. [[User:B|B]] 05:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

==Alphabetical order==

Here's a puzzle for anybody concerned. It's about [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Running Gags]]. Try going to each page, and clicking on the 'List of ______'. It seems that the article Inside Jokes, which is also in the category, is listed under 'L', as it should be. However, Running Gags is listed under '*'. Anybody know why this would happen? Is this happening to everyone? I dunno, it just seems kinda weird. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:Someone put an asterisk in the link so that it would be listed first in the list. I made the other one match (although the dollar sign is coming before the asterisk, which probably should be fixed, but I'm not gonna do it now). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::I won't do anything then -- I was about to make a similar change just now. I was actually thinking of doing it the other way: using the alphabet entries, but of course this makes more sense. Anyway, here's Dot com's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Inside_Jokes&diff=190040&oldid=162318 change] so you can see what he did. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Huh. Go figure. You learn something new every day, I guess (although that little nugget is pretty useless). Thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Oh, of course. Fixing $11.01 turned out to be as easy as fixing Inside Jokes. Good work, Elad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. Just as I was going to reply my computer froze. Now I'm replying from school (See my IRC nick :P). {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Manual of style! ==

Dot com, If I were British, I'd nominate you for a knighthood. I love it! I'll have to see if there's anything I can contribute to the new Manual of Style (although it looks like you've covered it pretty well yourself). You are my doge! [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not British, either, so the most I can hope for is honorary membership in the [[Wikipedia:Order of the British Empire|Most Excellent Order of the British Empire]]. That would still be pretty sweet, though. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
::Ah yes, then you could be called "It's dot com, KBE" but not "Sir It's dot com". Just like Andre Previn. (Well, except he's called Andre Previn, KBE.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 08:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== Forum ==

Okay, I got the forum email, then I sent out the email that I was supposed to send out, so now what do I do? I really want to join the forum. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:Er, I'm not really that knowledgeable about the forum. I have an account there, but I've made like 5 posts in a year, and It's been a while since I activated the account. Perhaps you could post this in a more public place. Sorry. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:It's alright. I just post a a new subject on the Main Page talk. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

== Confounded ==

Hey Dot Com! What's up? I'm leaving you a message cuz I was noticing [[Special:Contributions/Vile.exe|this user's contributions]] and they seemed strange... at best. His messages seemed almost nonsensical, and one of the most [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jenny&diff=prev&oldid=194149 recent posts], seemed somewhat inappropriate to me. And so, once again, I run to you for sound advice and a second opinion. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:I actually noticed that particular edit. It seems, strange, at best. At worst, it could be labeled as harassment. It was right to come to Dot Com. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::maybe he is related to Homesar (the character, if any user is name homesar, then I apologize) {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I discussed the matter with [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], and we decided to block him for four days and revert the edit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Devil's advocate here, but shouldn't that type of be a warning? Say he's only 11 and just an annoying kid but given a warning would stop, but on the other hand, he comes back tomorrow and is blocked and therefore doesn't come back anymore. I think there should be some standard of the severity of punishment to refer to. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Personal attacks are not tolerated. It's as simple as that. Joey briefly mentioned perhaps just giving a warning, but after looking at the contribs agreed that a temporary block was in order. We've dealt with this guy's strangeness before. Thanks for asking questions, though. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for straightening this out. I am glad to know I wasn't the only one who felt the post was inappropriate.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::As an addendum, I realize that he might not realize he was being offensive, perhaps because he's too young or immature. But that's not what I care about. I care about keeping this wiki a place where someone doesn't have to worry about that kind of thing showing up on his or her talk page. If someone isn't old enough to use the wiki responsibly and sensitively, then perhaps that person should stick to reading pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::::I don't know if this matters much, but the remarks that user made seem to stem from [[Talk:More_Fan_Costumes#Some_New_Hotness|this discussion]]. As you can see, AbdiViklas and I suggested that the discussion should stop, but some kept going on it. I wish there were a way to get people to stop doing this sort of thing. Not that it excuses the blocked user, though. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 08:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I knew full well what he was referring to, which is why my actions were such that they were. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Cool. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 06:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

==The system is down, yo==
Hey Dot com, you probably already know this/don't care, but earlier today the wiki wasent working at all. I'm no computer expert, but I ''do'' know that something was wrong with the wiki. Because all the pages on the wiki would refuse to load, but other sites loaded just fine. I was just wondering if this had anything to do with this site. Sorry for your time, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I hear someone tried to cram-a-lam a Swiss Cake Roll into the disk drive. See [[Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened?]] for more information. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, my bad. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:::No probalo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Pledge Drive ==

Hey ther It's dot com, how have you been i myself have been doing great. Let me ask you something, what happens if Homestar runner wiki doesn't get the 2005 Fall Pledge Drive money? [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 01:53, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hello, Nikolce. I'm just fine. Glad to hear you're doing well. I don't know the exact answer to your question. You should ask [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

==Does the box have a troll in it? Or maybe a troll?==

Are you sure about [[Special:Contributions/24.151.40.232|24.151.40.232]]? Most of his/her edits seem inept, but not malicious. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Oops. I was blocking every IP in sight. I'll fix it. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== NSMC ==

Ben - what in the name of crap happened with this NSMC trollbot thing? I haven't been here in a while, I come back, some robot has tried to ruin everything...it's some ''Matrix'' type lunacy here, except instead of Keanu Reeves trying to save Zion, it's some hacker trying to save his own sense of worth! Hope you guys can triumph over the (repetitive) forces of evil. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 02:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:And this wiki was relatively fortunate to have had some sentries on duty at the time of the attack, so we weren't down for long. (Although, if that sitenotice is still up there, then we haven't fully recovered yet.) Other wikis I know of had nearly 100 percent of their pages (at least temporarily) erased. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hmmm - so it's some organized, or well-thought-out, anti-wiki measure? Seems like a techno-power trip to me. I'm glad we weren't too badly hurt, though. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 03:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== source code ==

First off, are you sick or somthing (I ask because of the whole Strong Sad picture)? Can you or someone else let the code be seen for [[Special:Statistics]]. I'd like to maybe use one of the {{ }} type item for my user page. Also is there any place that lists all of the things like this and what each one displays. Is there one the will return the number of edits that I have made? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:Well, here is the code:

<pre>There are '''$1''' total pages in the database.
This includes "talk" pages, pages about {{SITENAME}}, minimal "stub"
pages, redirects, and others that probably don't qualify as content pages.
Excluding those, there are '''$2''' pages that are probably legitimate
content pages.

There have been a total of '''$3''' page views, and '''$4''' page edits
since the wiki was set up.
That comes to '''$5''' average edits per page, and '''$6''' views per edit.</pre>

:As you can see, it uses PHP variables instead of MediaWiki variables (except for <nowiki>{{sitename}}</nowiki>), so it wouldn't work on your page without editing the source code for the project. But there are ways to do interesting things with your page. A lot of Wikipedia users have developed custom tools like this. Unfortunately, I don't know where to tell you to look for them or even whether they would work on our wiki. I seem to recall Lapper experimenting with something like this, but for one reason or another he couldn't get it to work. Sorry I wasn't much help here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::And, no, I'm not sick. That's for a friend. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I took out the <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> syntax and did show preview to see what it would look like, and nothing happened. Does it only work on that one page that i mentioned above? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Right. Those variables are filled in by the code that generates that particular page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::The MediaWiki code is [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/ freely available]. If you want the code behind [[Special:Statistics]], it's [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/SpecialStatistics.php?rev=1.28&view=auto there].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== Thermometer ==

Hey, do you know how to get one of those mood thermometer things for a user page? Because I want one. Well, bye. Please get back to me on this on my user page. -- [[user:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 01:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, here's the code:
:<tt><nowiki>[[Image:</nowiki>Wikistress3D '''<span style="color:red">1</span>''' v3.jpg|thumb|right|'''<span style="color:red">150px</span>'''|'''<span style="color:red">My current stress level: not stressed</span>''']]</tt>
:Don't change anything except what's in red. See the red number 1 there? That controls the stress level. It can be 1, 2, 3, or 4. The 150px controls the size of the image, which you can adjust. Last, you can make the caption anything you want. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Greetings, carpet bagger! ==

It is I, '''Sir Strong Bad!''' '''STOP'''

I bid you greetings from the year 1938! '''STOP'''

I'm rather new at this whole electronic communication system. '''STOP'''

So I am just making aquaintances. '''STOP'''

Farewell, you buffoon! '''STOP'''

'''Sir Strong Bad'''

<div style="font-family:monospace;background:#eee; padding:8px; border:1px dashed gray">DEAR SIR STRONG BAD STOP WELCOME HEREIN THUS TO OUR WIKI REGARDING THE HOMESTAR RUNNER STOP I BID YOU GOOD TIDINGS AND HOPE ALL YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO BE OF THE UTMOST CALIBER STOP NOW GET TO WORK YOU LOAF OR I SHALL BE FORCED TO GIVE YOU THE WHAT FOR STOP MOST SINCERELY [[User:It's dot com|IT'S DOT COM]] ON THIS THE SIXTEENTH DAY OF NOVEMBER IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND FIVE AT ONE HOUR AND FIFTY EIGHT MINUTES PAST THE MARK OF THE NEW DAY ALONG THE PRIME MERIDIAN</div>

Not often that you see prime meridian used meaningfully in a sentence. Good one! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Everything else DVD ==

Do you already have it? I usually get H*R merchandise quickly - in fact, FedEx's website predicts its delivery today. However, the local FedEx guy himself is horribly slow and I don't have it yet. >_> --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, man. I've got it. In fact, Homestar keeps telling me "Ooh, check me out; I'm quite a masterpiece. Now get back over there and choose a choice!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:: Sigh. After being the first one here to get Disc 4, looks like I got pre-empted on this one. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::: So, alas, I probably won't have it until Christmas, since my mom will want to get it for me then. Oh, the sacrifices I make for my mother... Oh, wait, I shouldn't even be ''talking'' about sacrifice on ''my'' part in the same sentence as I talk about my mother! [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 03:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== This is not Homestar Related But... ==

THEY CANCELD ARESSTED DEVLOPMENT! I just started watching it like a couple of weeks ago! and it was SWEET but oh well there is still DVD Collections. [[User:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 21:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Help me, It's dot com, you're my only hope ==

Hey Dot com, I recentley made a [[Homestar Runner]] cursor that I was going to use on my talk page, but I dont know where to upload it! Please help! {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know whether we can upload custom cursors. And if we can, I don't know where. But I'm not your only hope. ''(Note: Dot com changed the section title to what it is now because he thinks Star Wars is cool. DBK did not originally say that Dot com was his only hope.)'' Try asking at [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::You read my mind with the Star Wars reference, I just didnt want to sound like a complete dork :-p {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC) P.S You might want to consider archiving your page, it takes forever to preview.
:::Archiving?!? No way, Lucy! Only big wusses and lesser wimps archive their pages. Besides, mine's not even as bad as [[User talk:Tom|some talk pages]] out there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Ha ha I guess you right, oh and I found a [http://www.fileupyours.com/ website] to host my cursor. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I need help again! Ahh Im so confused. I have the cursor [http://www.fileupyours.com/files/7565/homestarrunner%20cursor.ani here] but I dont know how to put it on my user page. The FAQ isnt helping either. Sorry to be bothering you. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm still not sure that it's even possible to use that here. At least not and have everyone see it. But you need to post your question on the FAQ talk page so others will notice it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::You could try talking to [[User:The Paper|Teh Pape]]. He's got a special cursor on his Talk page, and I don't know how he did it. I don't know if you're able to do it with custom cursers though, or if he's got one of a few options or something. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:32, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I knew there were other users that had done this... yeah I checked out his source and he has the following code: <code><nowiki><div style="cursor:pointer;"></nowiki></code> ''Insert your regular wiki code here'' <code><nowiki></div></nowiki></code>. I know someone else has a crosshair in their page. I don't think you can upload your own, these are standard cursors as far as I know. It's possible that maybe the <code>cursor:</code> option may allow a url for an image but you'll have to do some research on that. <div style="cursor:pointer;">'''If you hover over this bold text you'll see it in action'''</div>--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::::We should take this convo on to FAQ, not Dot coms talk page. There's already a convorsation started there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 23:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::And for those keeping score at home, that conversation can be found [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#Ive_got_this_cursor....|here]]. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks For Your Help ==

The fanstuff wiki appreciates it :). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Wow. You're fast. Do you have a bot helping you do that? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::No, not a bot. We did have a bot (Valerie) working on it, but it wasn't very fast, in my opinion. So I decided to keep doing them manually as long as I could. Fortunately, I know a couple of shortcuts that allowed me knock them all out in a fraction of the time it would normally take. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== Thank you VERY MUCH ==

I want to say thank you for being concerned, the whole situation was awkward and strange, but in the end i'm glad to know that you cared. It's great to have such a great friend here on HRWiki. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 23:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Always. And should you need anything, don't hesitate to ask. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== Meaning ==

Hey there it's dot com, how have you been, can i ask you something, what does this mean:Thank you! The Homestar Runner Wiki raised over $980 in its 2005 Fall Pledge Drive.
Unfortunately, we didn't reach our pledge drive goal. You're still welcome to make a donation.

We apologize, but due to circumstances beyond our control, new-user registration and anonymous editing have been disabled.
If you are the vandal responsible, please email mail_icon.giftom@hrwiki.org. Thank you.

Also whats your Top 10 Sb emails, and your botton 10?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 06:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'll let It's dot com field the favorites, but I can answer your question about the header. I'm not sure which part of it you were asking about, but:
*The [[HRWiki:2005 Fall Pledge Drive|Pledge Drive]] was a time to encourage users to donate money voluntarily to help pay for the wiki's costs (explained in that link). It's a way of raising money that some organizations use over here, especially [http://www.npr.org public radio]. We didn't raise as much money as we had hoped; discussion about that is at [[HRWiki_talk:2005_Fall_Pledge_Drive#Looking_ahead]].
*We had to stop letting people register as users, or edit pages if they weren't users, because of an attack by a vandal who used [[HRWiki:NSMC vandal|over 1,000 usernames]] to vandalize pages.
*By the way, I'm not sure which internet browser you're using, but [http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ FireFox] has a [https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&category=Languages&numpg=10&id=68 plugin] that lets you click on a word to look it up in an online dictionary. I can imagine this being very helpful to people for whom English is not their first language; if there's an English-to-Macedonian online dictionary, you could even customize it to that! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== A telegramophonic thank you! ==

Salutations, Sir Dot Com! '''Stop''' Thank you for reccomending the user name change! '''Stop''' However, it appears that I always have new electronic messages even though none are present in the actual talk area. '''Stop''' Can you perhaps suggest a remedy? '''Stop''' Thanks again! '''Stop''' [[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]

:I've heard of several people having this problem. I assume you've tried simply refreshing the page? And visiting your talk page ''by'' clicking the "new messages" link? If so, I'm guessing the next thing you'd hear from a lot of people is "clear your cache" (seems to be a popular cure-all). You could, of course, make an edit to the page yourself, which should clear it up. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

::AbdiViklas is usually right, but he's wrong in this case. I posted this on your talk page, but I'll put it here for anyone who's just passing by. When we upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5, it introduced a bug in the way the system handles the new messages indicator. Currently, the only way to get the message to go away is to click "unwatch" at the top of your page. This is necessary even if you yourself are the one who edits the page. We have done what we can to make sure the people who design the software are aware of the problem and we hope they will give us a patch to fix it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== More crappy stuff ==

Hooray to Abdi, but I'd still like to bring [[User_talk:Jibney#NSMC_TROLL_BOT|this]] to your attention. The precedent I've seen is to delete the section entirely but I am not the experienced on in these matters. Concerned, --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, my first thought was to simply delete his edit, but I thought I remembered something about preferring strike-throughs on talk pages. Plus the "aka Riley" part suggests that maybe they know each other in real life or from elsewhere. (But even if the Col. was making a good-natured in-joke, the wiki isn't the place for it.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:37, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
::My better judgment told me that it should be [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jibney&diff=202524&oldid=202502 removed], and I did so accordingly, and moved your reply to [[User_talk:Colonel_homestar#Your_previous_comment|his talk page]]. If I have overstepped my bounds (Dot com, Tom, or any of the other admins) then you may revert my changes, please accept my apologies, and inform me of the proper procedure. I felt it would be best that the comment not be ther in order to not allow things to escalate. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
:::That whole thread was weird. I don't think the user who was accused is technically capable of what he was accused of (unless he's deliberately trying to appear younger than he is). I personally don't have a problem with removing (rather than striking out) things that never should have been here in the first place, and this is probably a case where it's okay to just delteat it. Let me know if anything else develops on this matter. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Right; I didn't want to say ''that'' on his own talk page, though ("Actually, I don't think someone who can't spell or communicate coherently in writing could do that!"). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

== Admin Team ==

Congratulations, Dot com! I always knew you'd be on the admin team! We salute you. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
:Woah, you're on the ranks with Tom and Stu now. Congrats. :) - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

::Ohhhh! So that's what he means! Congraturalatateytions!!! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yeah, jeepers. It's dot com's just a-jumpin' up the ladder, eh? Awesome. Anyone will say you deserve it (and everyone probably will, sooner or later. You know how these things spread on talk pages). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Yea, I could see that one coming. I've thought of your technological know how, diplomatic mannar, professionalism, and zeal for the wiki as top knotch bureaucratic quality for some time now. Congratulations man. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Trusted group ==

Hey Dot com, put me in the trusted group on the Fanstuff wiki. I'd like to start reverting some vandalised pages. Thanks. {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 00:20, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:Done'd. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

He can you uhm, make me trusted? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Can I please be trusted too? Sorry to bother you. - <sub>[[User_talk:Sahm|<font color=blue><i>talk</i></font>]]</sub> <b>[[User:Sahm|<font color=teal>Sahm</font>]]</b> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Sahm|<font color=turquoise><i>ribs</i></font>]]</sup> 05:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

User talk:Sahm

2005-10-27T07:30:46Z

Sahm:

User talk:Sahm

2005-10-27T07:25:26Z

Sahm:

Strong Bad is a Bad Guy

2005-10-26T08:30:42Z

Sahm: /* Inside References */ fixed link

[[Image:Bad Guy Pic.PNG|thumb|Bad Guy Tattoo]]
[[The Brothers Chaps]] go back to their roots with ''[[Wikipedia:Mario Paint|Mario Paint]]''. Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat talk about tattoos.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Marshie}}, {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Strongbadia]]

'''Date:''' October 17, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 1:44

== Transcript ==
''{Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat are in a field.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' A GLOWY BOX! A GLOWY BOX!

'''STRONG BAD:''' A glowy box? Are you sure that's what you'd get for your tattoo?

'''STRONG MAD:''' IT'S PERSONAL!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'd want mine to look like a prison tattoo that you carved out yourself with a spoon and some soap.

''{Cut to a muscled arm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' There'd be a rocket launcher, of course,—

''{A rocket launcher appears on the arm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —and above that it'd just say, "Bad Guy."

''{The words "BAD GUY" are written in yellow above the rocket launcher. Music begins. A silhouetted Strong Bad shakes his head back and forth in front of an orange background with yellow polka dots. Cut to a road sign that says, "now entering BAD GUY". The words "BAD GUY" pop out of the sign. Cut to Strong Bad dancing with a background of yellow and green stripes.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.

''{Strong Bad, in Strongbadia, beats a muffler with a pipe. Cut to a scene with Cold One bottles and a bowl of peanuts. Strong Bad spins around on top of the scene.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.

''{Strong Bad dances in front of a gray background with the words "BAD GUY".}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad is a bad, bad man.

''{A black background with Strong Bad's head poking up and his gloves poking down. The words "Bad guy" flash in purple and green neon.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad hates Marzipan.

''{Strong Bad spray paints a poster with Marzipan that says, "vote whales".}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad's got a master plan,

''{Strong Bad spins upside down in front of the peanuts and bottles. Cut to a blueprint with a van and a dancing Strong Bad that reads, "MASTER PLAN".}''

'''SINGERS:''' To buy a custom conversion van!

''{A van drives toward the screen. The word "Vantastic" appears.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.

''{Strong Bad beats the muffler with the pipe again. Cut to a rocket launcher, which shoots a rocket at the screen. When the rocket "hits," the explosion says "DOOj."}''

'''SINGERS:''' Strong Bad is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.

''{Marshie flies around in an orange and yellow background}''

'''SINGERS:''' Marshie is a bad guy, bad guy, bad guy.

''{Trogdor walks by, burninating.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Trogdor is a bad, bad guy.

''{Cut back to the Field. Music ends. Homestar walks in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, guys, whatcha ticking bot?

'''STRONG BAD:''' We're talking about something cool and interesting. You wouldn't understand.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, tattoos, huh? I'd get one on my forearm ''{the bulging arm reappears, and tattoos appear on it as Homestar talks}'' that said, "The For Real Deal," and has a picture of me dressed up like Uncle Sam.

'''STRONG BAD:''' You'd get one on your forearm, huh?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Or one on my bulging bicep that just says "Cake Man." ''{the bulging arm reappears, with 'cakeman' on it in crude blue script}'' Ooh, or a glowy box on my wrist...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{to The Cheat}'' I just don't have the heart to tell him.

'''STRONG MAD:''' YOU DON'T HAVE AR- ''{gets cut off by a cut to the bulging arm with a "THE END" tattoo and a bazooka tattoo above it, then changes to a black screen that says "done."}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Tattoo26.PNG|thumb|110px]]
*Click the screen when The Cheat is talking to see tattoo idea #26: "some kinda snake lady killing some kinda snake".
*Click on The Cheat after Homestar says "A glowy box on my wrist" to see a drawing of a box with the caption "Glowy box 4 ever."

==Fun Facts==
{| width="70%"
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===Explanations===
*Strong Bad's desire to have a tattoo that "you carved out yourself with a spoon and some soap" refers to the old prison cliché of carving weapons out of soap.

===Trivia===
*This is the first '[[Toons|toon]] made in ''Mario Paint'' to be released since [[Super NES]]. The button on the main page when this toon debuted read "back to our roots".

===Remarks===
*Homestar's propeller is missing, as in the original Super NES cartoon.

===Glitches===
*The glowy box easter egg is clickable from when it appears until the end of the 'toon.
*The "X" close button doesn't appear until the title goes away.

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad beats a muffler with a pipe. In [[no loafing]], Strong Mad is inspired to do the same thing.
*Strong Bad spray-painting Marzipan may be a reference to [[origins]], in which he did the same thing.
* The ascending group of three quick notes in the "Strong Bad is a Bad Guy" song is taken from the [[Teen Girl Squad]] Theme, although the synthesizer seems to be the one used in [[TROGDOR!]]. They can be heard the clearest before the first line of dialogue.
* During the song, Strong Bad performs the [[Double Deuce]].
* The way that Strong Bad and Strong Mad are drawn closely resembles the sketch "[[:Image:sketchbook_040819_viewtifulbrothers.png|Viewtiful Brothers Strong]]" from the sketchbook. These drawings are done in the style of the video game [[Wikipedia:Viewtiful Joe|''Viewtiful Joe'']].
*Strong bad buying a Convergance Vas is a ref to the [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] , where he blows the college funds on a tricked out convewrge van.

===Real World References===
*[[Wikipedia:Uncle Sam|Uncle Sam]] is a [[Wikipedia:national personification|national personification]] of the United States.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:badguy.swf|view the Flash file for "Strong Bad is a Bad Guy"]]
*[[Forum:5450|forum thread re: "Strong Bad is a Bad Guy"]]

[[Category:Shorts]]
[[Category:Songs]]

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10

2005-10-10T15:13:25Z

Sahm: Stan!

==TGS Issue Picture==
Which picture should we use? [[Image:Mightywarrior.PNG|thumb|"Mightywarrior.PNG"]][[Image:TeenGirlSquad10.PNG|thumb|"TeenGirlSquad10.PNG"]]

Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt

== Stan! ==

In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?

User:Sahm

2005-10-07T03:35:44Z

Sahm:

== About Me ==
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[geddup noise]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)

== The first time ==
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]

== Edits ==
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^ I usually hang around the Fanstuff Wiki now and do stuff there.

== Merchandise ==
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.

geddup noise

2005-10-04T07:25:59Z

Sahm: Good

[[Image:sbemail136.PNG|thumb|"Geddup, geddup"]]
'''Strong Bad Email #136'''

We learn of the latest sensation that's sweeping the nation: [[The Geddup Noise]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Gavin]], {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}/[[The Teach]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Strong Sad's Room]], [[The Show]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[King of Town's Castle]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}, [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' September 26, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:38

==Transcript==
''{Cut to the Lappy. Gavin is crawling on the screen. The lights are out. Strong Bad is not present. The lights suddenly turn on and Gavin crawls away.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Walks in}'' A little bit of email. Some you-and-me mail. ''{begins reading}''
<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: question</div>
What ever happened to the get up noise? I think it<br \>
was cool.<br /><br / >
Sincerely yours marc baroni AZ</blockquote>

''{Reads "marc baroni AZ" as "macaroni from A to Z"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ooh! Alphabet macaroni! ''{typing}'' The get up noise? Oh wait, you mean The Geddup Noise. This guy!

''{Strong Bad gets up and sits down three times, making the noise each time}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Ahhh, what fun! But that's not even the real Geddup Noise. That's just his cousin, Chairscoot. ''{clears screen}'' No, the real Geddup noise split quite some time ago. Somewheres right around email 84, Ol' Geddy got all big overseas. And then the phone calls started coming in.

''{Cut to a close-up shot of Strong Bad. He is holding a phone.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{into phone}'' Hello? What? Yes, no, yes.

''{Zoom out to show that he's in his computer room. The text from email 84 ([[kids' book]]) is displayed on the screen of the Compy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's for you. ''{tosses phone at stool}''

''{The Geddup Noise is heard. Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And before I know it, every-freakin-body’s talkin about the Geddup Noise. ''{The Geddup Noise is heard over the last three words.}''

''{Cut to Coach Z and Bubs at the concession stand, which is now labelled "BUBSO'S CONCESSION STAND"}''

'''COACH Z:''' Okay, now I got one Bubs-O. Who am I supposed to be? Aaaaooooroomah! Eeeeeeoooowree!

'''BUBS:''' Is that supposed to be The Geddup Noise?

'''COACH Z:''' Hang on! Hang on! Let me switch my pitch up! Waaay-o! Waaaay-o!

'''BUBS:''' ''{annoyed}'' Way-o way-o? I’ll be in the basement!

''{The concession stand turns dark with only a yellow light shining from the top. Bubs slowly sinks into the basement.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Way-o! Waaaay-o!

''{Cut to the booOOM box, which holds a cassette tape labeled "Normal Bias"}''

'''BOOOOM BOX (STRONG BAD'S RADIO ANNOUNCER VOICE):''' Hang on to your panties, people. ''{fart noise}'' Uh oh, what’s up? ‘Cause we got The Geddup Noise ''{doing sound}'' all up in this piece! ''{Geddup Noise, followed by laughter}'' Oh, man, we got a live one here!

''{Cut to Strong Sad listening to the radio. He is wearing a black T-shirt that reads "This Is Not A The Geddup Noise T-Shirt".}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, man. The Geddup Noise used to be cool.

''{Cut to the set of The Show with Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And as always, at center square, The Geddup Noise. ''{Pan to a wider shot. Nobody is seen standing next to him.}'' What do you say, Geddy? ''{The Geddup Noise is heard, followed by applause.}'' Now that is just special. But I’m afraid the correct answer was way-o, way-o .''{"WAY-O, WAY-O" appears on screen as Homestar says it. The "wrong answer" music plays.}'' But you will receive some fine parting gifts.

''{Cut to a copy of The Show's Stupid Home Edition}''

<pre>FEW PRIZES!
THE SHOW! STUPID HOME EDITION
- choose to recite a list!
- ask questions, demand answers
- mostly play by oneself
boardelectrix
</pre>

'''ANNOUNCER:''' That’s right, Kevin. The Geddup Noise will receive a year’s supply of our home game!

''{Cut back to Strong Bad at the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Even The Cheat was able to snag a piece of the Geddup Pie with his indie-tronic remix.

''{CD of "DJ Teh Cheat - The Geddup Noise" appears; scene switches to Club Technochocolate, where The Cheat is spinning his own record. Bubs and Pom Pom put their weight on it. The song includes The Geddup Noise played over and over.}''

'''SINGER:'''<br>
The Geddup Noooooise!<br>
The Geddup Noooise! (Geddup Geddup Geddup!)<br>
The Geddup Noooooise! (Geddup Geddup Geddup!)<br>
The Geddup Noooise!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And before long, a bunch of cheap knock-offs started popping up.

''{Cut to the King of Town, seated in a wooden chair at a table in his castle}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Hello, America! It’s the Standing Up Noise! ''{The "Standing Up Noise" logo appears, and the King of Town stands up; the chair makes a deep imitation Geddup Noise.}'' Boooo-ooo! ''{The King looks over to his right.}''

''{Cut to the Brothers Strongs' basement. Strong Bad is seated in a yellow chair}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{to screen}'' And now, everybody's favorite style, the Git Outcha Seat Sound! ''{The Homsar walking sound accompanies the "Git Outcha Seat" logo}'' ''{Strong Bad gets up from a yellow seat and makes a low-pitched imitation Geddup Noise.}'' Isn’t that right, the Teach?

''{Strong Mad's left hand appears from behind the sofa. He has a blue sock on his hand with The Cheat-like features drawn on it.}''

'''THE TEACH (STRONG MAD):''' BLUE SOCK! BLUE SOCK!

''{Return to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing, sounding embarrassed}'' Heh heh. That was just not, nu-, anything. So after that, Geddy bought a house in the Coches and now he just snowboards all day. He still pops up here and there in the odd, or sometimes ''very'' odd celebrity endorsement.

''{Cut to a shot of [[Hamburger Shampoo]]. The Geddup Noise plays in the background.}''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' Geddup Noise Approved!
<pre>
"Like a backyard BBQ on your hair!"
hamburger
SHAMPOO
</pre>
''{Cut to Strong Sad watching the Hamburger Shampoo commercial. He is wearing a white T-shirt that reads "Corporate The Geddup Noise Still Sucks".}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Frickin’ sell-out!

''{Cut back to the Lappy again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So I suppose that more than adequately answers your question, Shoshoni Macaroni.

''{Pan out to a medium shot. Homestar is kneeling to Strong Bad's right, holding a notepad.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{to stool}'' Excuse me sir, could I trouble you for an autograph?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, you know that’s not even the original Geddup Noise. It’s his cousin...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I know, Chairscoot. He’s my generation’s Geddup Noise! Uh, could you make it out to ''Lou Dobbs''?

'''STRONG BAD:''' That’s it, I’m outta here. ''{Walks offscreen to stage right, making the Chairscoot Noise}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah! There it is! It’s positively dreamy! ''{little hearts float up out of Homestar's head and pop like bubbles}'' Ohhhh! ''{Homestar faints. He knocks the stool which makes the chairscoot noise one more time.}''

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click "Coches" before the cutaway to Strong Sad to see a postcard.
:''{The postcard's background is a snowy mountain range with the text ''Coches Mountains'' in the top left corner. [[Monkey D]] is up front wearing a winter hat, oven mitt and an ''I ♥ The Teach'' shirt. Along the bottom is the text ''Monkey D awaits you''.}''
*Click on the stool to see additional footage of The Cheat's ambient mix in Club Technochocolate.
:''{Cut back to The Cheat, Pom Pom and Bubs dancing at Club Technochocolate. Coach Z enters and dances across the room. Then Strong Mad's sock puppet appears up front for a bit and lipsyncs the words "geddup geddup geddup", then disappears and reappears to the left where it lipsyncs again, and then goes back up front, where it lipsyncs one more time and then "dances" to the music. Then it fades to black and the Geddup Noise is heard.}''
*Click on the notepad and it'll bring up autograph #1:
<pre>My Pal
Lou Dobbs,
Stay real!
Chairscoot
</pre>

Click on it again and it'll bring up autograph #2:
<pre>Lou Dobbs,
you've been
working out?
- Brent Musburger
</pre>

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}

===Explanations===
*The lights are off and [[Gavin]] is shown on the Lappy because it had been 7 weeks since the previous Strong Bad Email.

===Trivia===
* Not counting [[anything]], where Strong Bad didn't appear, this is the first Strong Bad Email to have a character other than Strong Bad appearing first.
*"The Teach" is an [[Wikipedia:Anagram|anagram]] of "[[The Cheat]]".

===Remarks===
* Clicking on [[Gavin]] at the beginning of the email still makes the [[Lappy 486]] respond with the ripple effect, as if you were clicking directly on the screen.
* Marc's question is odd because the Geddup Noise appeared in three of the five previous emails ([[boring (really)]], [[record book]], and [[lady...ing]]).
*A get up noise like that is not even possible on carpet. Strong Bad's stool makes a noise as if it were scraping against tile or hardwood floor.
**[[The Brothers Chaps]] have mentioned this in commentaries.
**The noise seems to exist as an entity unto itself. It sounds without the stool even moving when Strong Bad throws over the phone, not to mention its sounding in the studio of [[The Show]].
*Strong Bad says the "get up noise" is correctly the "geddup noise", even though at the end of [[the bet]] he calls it the "get up noise".
*Strong Bad would have to have looked up the email at which the Geddup noise got his phone call, because he lost count of emails at [[website|#51]] until he was notified in [[flashback]].
*[[radio]] and [[anything]] are the only other times that Strong Sad has worn a shirt.
*When the close-up of the Disconnected Phone is shown, there is no cord extending from it. The cord is only visible when Strong Bad throws the phone on the floor.

===Goofs===
*When Gavin walks off the computer, he goes straight down, even though the laptop is at an angle.
*When Strong Bad is repeatedly getting up and sitting back down again, the laces on the back of his head should be visible while he is getting up.
*When Strong Bad is doing the Git Outcha Seat Sound, the yellow seat only has three legs.
*At the end, the words 'Lappy 486' are further to the left then usual.

===Inside References===
*[[The am morning "CRUDE" crew]] was first heard in [[radio]].
*Strong Bad uses a [[Disconnected Telephone]].
*Boardelectrix also made Jurvy-Skat in [[Family Resemblence]].
*The Show's announcer calls Homestar "[[Kevin]]", short for "Kevin DuBrow", the name he would have been known by had he lost Strong Bad's wager in [[the bet]].
*Coach Z's dance in the easter egg is the "I'm Just Me" dance from [[record book]].
*The synthesizer used for The Cheat's song in this email sounds the same as the one used for the [[Stinkoman 20X6]] soundtrack.

===Real-World References===
*Strong Sad's "This Is Not A The Geddup Noise T-Shirt" refers to [[Wikipedia:Fugazi_(band)|Fugazi]]'s "This Is Not A Fugazi T-Shirt" T-shirts.
*Strong Sad's "Corporate The Geddup Noise Still Sucks" shirt is akin to the shirt worn by the late [[Wikipedia:Nirvana_(band)|Nirvana]] lead singer [[Wikipedia:Kurt_cobain|Kurt Cobain]] on the cover of [[Wikipedia:Rolling_Stone|Rolling Stone]], which read "Corporate Magazines Still Suck", which was also referenced in [[Homestarloween Party]]. Also a reference to SST Records' slogan "Corporate Rock Still Sucks".
*Lou Dobbs is the anchor and managing editor of CNN's [http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/ Lou Dobbs Tonight].
*[http://www.nndb.com/people/089/000024017/ Brent Musburger] is a sports announcer for ABC.
*Homestar referring to the center square is a reference to the game show [[Wikipedia:Hollywood Squares|Hollywood Squares]], where famous comics would often sit in the "center square" for long periods at a time.
*"[[Wikipedia:Indietronic|Indietronica]]" is a musical genre that merges the methods of [[Wikipedia:Electronica|electronica]] with the broader context of [[Wikipedia:Indie (music)|indie music]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail136.html|Watch "geddup noise"]]
*[[HR:sbemail136.swf|View the Flash file for "geddup noise"]]
*[[Forum:5113|Forum thread re: "geddup noise"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Secret Pages

2005-09-19T10:53:19Z

Sahm: added secret page

This is where all the secret pages and old .swf things go. Please remember to put a description when adding something to the list. Put newer things to the bottom of a list.

'''Note:''' Sometimes some of the pages don't work. Just try again at a later date.

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== Music ==
[[HR:breakbeat.swf|Everybody]] — A constant loop of the ''"Everybody!"'' song used in the intro.
*Sometimes this is [[404'd]].

[[HR:cheatnotdead.swf|The Cheat is Not Dead]] — A sample of "[[The Cheat is Not Dead]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also used [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html here] by clicking on CD on the post -it note.

[[HR:midnight.swf|Because It's Midnite]] — A sample of "[[Because It's Midnite]]" from [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. Also used [http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/sbemail-7-30-03.html here] by clicking on SB on the post-it.

[[HR:music.swf|Music]] — This is the music from the classic cartoon, [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. (This is a loop from the beginning of Beck's "Tropicalia".)

[[HR:ohyeahyeah.mp3|Oh yeah]] — Marzipan's song from the Strong Bad Email, [[marzipan]].

[[Sing Along]] — A weird, unfinished sing-along with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]].

[[HR:renegade.swf|Renegade Master]] — A sample from the Fatboy Slim remix of Wildchild's "Renegade Master" that was used for the "Characters" button on [[Main Page 4]] for a while, but was replaced by the techno loop below.

[[HR:money.swf|Techno]] — A sample loop from [[techno]] used in [[Dancin' Bubs]].

[[HR:banjo.swf|Banjo]] — From the [[little questions]] Easter egg; also used in [[Dancin' Bubs]].

[[HR:drumnbass.swf|Drum N' Bass]] A loop from [[Everybody to the Limit]]; also used in [[Dancin' Bubs]].

[[HR:fluffypuff.mp3|Fluffy Puff Theme Song]] — The [[Fluffy Puff Marshmallows]] Theme Song from [[Meet Marshie]]

[[HR:poopsmoke.zip|Poop Smoke]] — A remix including [[Poot Slap]] and Deep Purple's Smoke on the Water.

[[HR:sbsite/welcome.mp3|Welcome.mp3]] — An mp3 file of the "Welcome to your doom" sound that plays when you go to [[Strong Bad's Website]]. It is the sound that plays before every boss in the Sega Genesis game "Altered Beast".

== Old Stuff ==
[[HR:costumes01.html|Fan Costumes]] — A collection of fan submitted Halloween stuff. The original version of [[Fan Costume Commentary]]. For some reason, the link is embedded in the source of the [[Homsar Main Page]].

[[Third Games Menu]] — One of the old game menus.

[[HR:boredbuttons.swf|Bored Buttons]] — An old navigation.

[[Old Telebision Toons Menu]] — Old toons menu, both with and without sound.

[[Chinese Food Toons Menu]] — Old toons menu. Related to fortune cookie game?

[[HR:loading.swf|Loading...]] — An old loading Homestar thing. Actually from the removed toon [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]] and a few other old toons like the old characters page. Also seen recently in [[lady...ing]]

[[Broken Tandy Menu]] — An old Strong Bad Email menu that only goes up to [[gimmicks]]. It was used when the [[Tandy 400]] blew up, so Strong Bad had to use notebook paper.

[[HR:sbemail(vacation).swf|Vacation Menu]] — An old Strong Bad vacation menu. Click on the post-it note to hear some funny... stuff.

[[HR:hstarr.swf|Loading 2]] — An old loading screen.

[[Lava Lamp Toons Menu]] — Old toons menu with a lava lamp as a back button. The remote was used in the museum, but with only 1 button.

[[Yearbook Character Page]] — Old characters page. It was believed to be made sometime after the toon "The Luau". Homsar is not included in the lineup because he was not considered a character back then.

[[Decemberween Email Menu]] — This was the "no new email notice" used during the holidays in 2002.

[[HR:main6x.swf|Old Main Page 6]] — This is an uncompleted main page from back in 2000. The "new cartoon!" link goes to [[A Jorb Well Done]], the "another homepage" goes to [[Main Page 10]], the "more messages" link goes to [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2]], and the "new toons menu" link goes to the current toons menu. Also, the buttons on the left don't work exactly right. Also note that email is above downloads, instead of below store. Also, Homestar's mouth will move when you mouse over downloads and store, but he won't say anything. Only downloads actually works. The other buttons won't do anything.

[[HR:rules.html|Message Bored Rules]] — They appear to be the rules from the Strong Bad Message Bored.

[[HR:errorpage.html|Error Page]] — The error page that was used before [[404'd]]. If you look closely on the mailbox before the letters appear on the [[Email]] page, you can see [[HR:sberror.jpg|that Strong Bad face]] from the old error page.

[[Intro 2]] — Actually the third Intro made between [[Old Intro|the first]], [[Old Intro 2|second]], and [[Intro|fourth intros]].

[[HR:wanted.swf|Wanted]] — This wanted poster was accessible from the "What's New" button a few days before [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] came out.

[[HR:sbemail46.swf|Old SB Email #46]] — This is an alternate version of [[your friends]], with music that ends very early.
* Some other differences:
** In the newer version, an announcer on the TV Strong Mad is watching says "Some type of TV show"
** Newer: There are extra buzz saw blades and a bottle of hot sauce behind SB as he bothers Marzipan
** Newer: Strong Bad is seen holding a bottle of hot sauce as he nettles Homsar
** Newer: Strong Bad's mouth is visible in the reflection when he sings the e-mail song
** Newer: The Cheat angrily curses Strong Bad (in Cheat-speak) when he's taped to Pom Pom
** Older: At the end, Strong Bad says the word "fans" a little differently.
** Newer: Pom Pom does 1 more turn
** Older: The background music stops as the scene goes to Strong Sad.
[[HR:luaumain.html|Luau Menu]] — An updated version of the secret Luau main menu.

[[HR:stencils.swf|Stencils]] — Stencils you can print to use on pumpkins. Replaced by [[Pumpkin Stencils]].

[[Pumpkin Stencils]] — These are the later version of the pumpkin stencils above. They were temporarily shown on the main pages as one of the updates, but they are currently a secret page because there is no link to them now that the main pages were updated a long time ago and they were the only link there.

[[HR:toonsold.html|Another Old Toons Menu?]] — Presumably an old toons menu. The toons.swf file is embedded in this page. However, the swf file is no longer on the site. This text is contained in the page source: ''"Kick the Can an ancient homestar cartoon found in the ruins of Pompei the isle of Pom a sweet little story about the big, round, yellow one. Pom-Pom i think is his name. The King of Town The King of Town has lost his crown. No, wait. I mean his sheep. Marshmallow's Last Stand What more is there to life than marshmallows and tag-team wrestling?"'' This menu was most likely the earliest one on the site. But since it just stays blank, we'll probably never know. Because it has very few toons, and even has the Isle of Pom according to the source, it probably came before the lava lamp toons menu.

[[HR:oldflash2.swf|An older old flash stuff menu]] — Just an older old flash stuff menu. It has the Marshmallow's Last Stand button, but it doesn't work.

[[HR:litebrite3.html|Astro Lite 2600]] — Another version of the Astro Lite game that used to be accessible from the museum.

[[HR:sbemail.swf|Old SB Email Selection]] — The email selection before the email [[virus]]

[[HR:games3.html|Old games page?]] — Probably an old games page. This text is contained in the page source: ''Homestar Talker d a n c i b u s Fortune Cookies marzipan's answering machine hairstyle runner Strong Libs''. Also, stronglibs.html seems to be misspelled as stonglibs.html in another part of the source. It was most likely the Third Games Menu listed above.

[[Broken Compy Menu]] — The email selection page that appeared between [[virus]] and [[animal]].

[[HR:wow.html|Wallpaper o' the Week]] — Possibly an old feature, meant for the weekly updates section. The link is embedded in the source of the [[Homestar Talker]].

[[HR:updates.html|Email Updates]] — Before [[The Brothers Chaps]] started updating weekly, this was how fans knew when to check homestarrunner.com. Yet again, the link is embedded in the source of the Homestar Talker.

[[HR:answer.html|Answering Machine]] — This is just Marzipan's Answering Machine, but it doesn't have the archive menu.

== Random Things ==
[[Not the 100th Email!!!]] — Never purposefully linked to at any time, this secret page was actually designed to be discovered.

[[If I Ran the Camera]] — A poem of unknown origin.

[[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|Weeklies XML]] — Some XML page about the weekly things. The source says:
<pre><?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<sketchbook>pom pom's hypothetical family</sketchbook>
<fanstuff>fairly on point kings</fanstuff>
<qod character="reynold" filename="reynold_groceries.mp3">Oh, I really need to go grocery shopping. I wish my girlfriend didn't leave me.</qod>

</pre>

[[HR:hrapple.swf|Seriously]] — Macintosh Homestar Runner. Also used as a wallpaper in the wallpapers section of the site (the wallpapers page is a little further down this list).

[[HR:dellocut_2.swf|Yellow Dello Deleted Scene]] — This is the scene from [[In Search Of The Yello Dello DVD]] where Strong Bad is talking with Marzipan, but with some odd commentary tacked on the front.

[[Where the Crap Are We?]] — An animation with Homestar and Strong Bad found in an Easter egg in Macromedia Central.

[[HR:tvguide.html|Current Toons Menu]] — The same [[Toons Menu|toons menu]], but it has a different page name. Instead of "toons.html", it's "tvguide.html". Also, you can click here for the swf file: [[HR:tvguide.swf|SWF File of the Toons Menu]]. This was the name of the toons menu back [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/extraoldtoons.html before the remote was upgraded]. If you click "back" at the end of [[Meet Marshie]], you will be taken here.

[[Happy T]] — A sign which says "Happy T." You can click on some of the letters to hear characters say stuff. Then click in the lower right hand corner of the screen to hear [[Homsar]].

[[HR:sbsign.swf|SB Sign]] — A strange [[Strong Bad]] sign.

[[HR:needlepoint.html|Needle Point]] — A small cartoon of Homestar and Strong Bad that appears sewn.

[[HR:mattcake.swf|Matt Cake!!!]] — A scary cake. Click on one of the cherries for a special surprise. 

[[HR:tirecake.swf|Tire Cake]] — A tire with candles. Click on a certain one to see the snake from the [[Strongbadia]] flag.

[[HR:cake.swf|50 cake]] — The Easter egg that was used in the email [[big white face]], click on it for all sorts of crazy crap.

[[HR:taryngame.swf|Kicking Game]] — A kicking game. Kick the picture 47 times to see it break. (The picture is of a girl, [http://aces.tabulas.com/tarebear/5134_35f71.jpg Taryn], from the old Strong Bad Message Bored, who finally posted her pic after everyone begged her to. [[The Cheat]] then made this game.) If you save the Flash file on to your hard drive and then kick the picture, it will break the first time you kick Taryn.

[[HR:hstheme.html|H*R Theme]] — A desktop theme for H*R.

[[HR:sbtheme.html|SB Theme]] — A desktop theme for SB.

[[HR:theme.swf|Another H*R Theme]] — A H*R desktop theme for Windows 98. It only downloads the theme song though.

[[HR:waffleshirt.swf|Shirts]] — Some Waffle House-style shirts and some Jamaican shirt thing.

[[HR:wireless.html|Wireless Bizness]] — A page that appears to be intended for mobile phones supporting [[Wikipedia:Wireless Application Protocol|WAP]]. Has some Strong Bad Emails. (No longer works.)

[[HR:coolest.html|Coolest]] — A banner which says "THE COOLEST STUFF EVER". Note the title says The_Coolest_Stuff_Ever.COM. The website does not exist though, although a website called [http://www.the-coolest-stuff-ever.com The-Coolest-Stuff-Ever.com] '''does''' exist.

[[HR:ppglossy.swf|Pom Pom Glossy]] — A cool [[Pom Pom]] picture.

[[HR:sbglossy.swf|SB Glossy]] — A picture of Strong Bad that appears autographed by his "main man" in [[2 years]].

[[HR:marzyshirts.swf|Marzipan Shirts]] — [[Marzipan]] shirts that were never used.

[[HR:weenstuff/weenstuff1.html|Ween Stuff]] — Halloween fan pictures.

[[HR:boredbuttons.swf|Bored Buttons]] — Message bored buttons.

[[HR:hsglossy.swf|H*R Glossy]] — Just like all the other glossies.

[[HR:zeen_ecard.swf|Limozeen eCards]] — Make and send a Thanksgiving [[Limozeen]] eCard. It doesn't work, though. It just says "loading..." and keeps doing that. (Note: You can skip the loading screen with the use of a seek bar.)

*Fun Fact: The font used for "Loading..." is modeled after the [[Wikipedia:Iron Maiden (band)|Iron Maiden]] logo.

[[HR:guestyear.swf|H*R Yearbook]] — It just says "Homestar's yearbook". Scroll over Homestar to hear him say "Sign My Yearbook! ... but don't use any swears, because my mom reads it."

[[Character Cards]] — Probably an old Characters page. Click the cards to flip through the deck. [[Old Characters|Homeschool Winner]] is named here.

[[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver]] — These screensavers can also be gotten by downloading the themes.

[[404'd]] — The error message that appears when you go to something on H*R.com that doesn't exist, embedded in [[HR:404error.html|this]] page.

[[HR:interview2.html|Interview 2]] — This is an unfinished version of [[The Interview]]. It has less than the original and it seems that the lip syncing is unfinished as well. Also, there are some changes that were made before the final version; for instance, Strong Bad says "Thanks for your time," instead of "Get out of my face!" at the end.

[[HR:sb_kingcomment.swf|Strong Bad's Commentary]] — This is Strong Bad's Commentary for the [[The King of Town DVD]], but at the end of this version it explains why Strong Bad did the commentary.

[[HR:newbutton.swf|News]] — The news button that is integrated in every main page.

[[HR:homepages.swf|Homepages]] — The homepages list that is integrated in every main page.

[[HR:homepages_23.swf|Homepage 23]] — The homepage list that is integrated in main page number 23.

[[HR:answermenu.swf|Answering Machines]] — The archive menu in the bottom right of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]].

[[HR:noflash.html|No Flash]] — An old page telling you that you need to download Flash.

[[HR:smsticker.html|Strong Mad Stickers]] — Print out Strong Mad Stickers! The stickers are used for similar purposes as the Luke Schenscher (a Georgia Tech basketball player) stickers and T-Shirts that showed up all around Atlanta, where The Brothers Chaps live, when Georgia Tech was in the Final Four and NCAA Championship in basketball.

[[Ween Intro]] — The intro that is displayed on Halloween. It always takes you to [[Main Page 7|Main Page 7 "Dead as a Doornail"]].

[[HR:filter.swf|Filter]] — The Flash file used on the index page of the old site. It redirects you to either the [[Old Intro 2]] or the No Flash page above.

[[HR:hsmakeout.html|Making Out]] — The "Click on the Monkey!!!" pop-up that was in the 118th Strong Bad Email. Also view the [[HR:hsmakeout.swf|flash file]]

[[HR:tennis.html|Seriously!]] — An Easter egg from [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], accessed by clicking on the candy corn light in the top right corner in the cast list at the end. Click [[HR:tennis.swf|here]] for the flash file.

[[HR:aim.html|MORE TO COME!]] — The page with the AIM buddy icons on it.

[[HR:downloads.html|Downloads Menu]] — Just a different name for the downloads menu, but the screen is smaller.

[[Banners and Link Graphics]] — No longer on site, just some pictures that can be used on your site to link to H*R.

[[HR:macicons.html|Mac icons instructions]] — Old Mac icon instructions.

[[HR:qod_virus.swf|Virus'd QoD]] — What happens when you click on the 'Q' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail. Notice that when you roll over the 'Don't tape it!' text it turns into 'Don't take it!'

[[HR:fanstuff_virus.swf|Virus'd Fanstuff]] - What happens when you click on the 'F' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail.

[[HR:sketchbook_virus.swf|Virus'd Sketchbook]] - What happens when you click on the 'S' button at the top of the [[virus]] e-mail.

[[HR:clock7x.swf|Strong Bad's "Time Machine" download]] - The SB clock.

[[HR:sccicons.html|The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes buddy icons download page]] - From an Easter egg in [[crazy cartoon]].

[[HR:main_nav.swf|NavBar]] -- The bottom menu (main, toons, games etc.) that appears on almost every page underneath the toon.

[[HR:halloween01.swf|Sucky Treats]] -- Some early Halloween costume ideas for [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]. Notice The Cheat is wearing a different shirt; Marzipan, Pom Pom, and Coach Z all have otherwise unused costumes; and the King of Town is also lacking his 'stache.

[[HR:halloween01x.swf|Sucky Treats]] -- Same as above except the background is dark red. Also, Coach Z and Pom Pom are wearing their final costumes (Marzipan and The Cheat are still wearing the same costumes as the above, and the King is still missing his mustache.)

[[HR:rando.swf|Random Toon]] -- The [[Random Toon]] chooser that comes up when you click the R on the main page.

[[HR:rando.xml|Random Toon XML]] -- The list of toons that the above chooses from.

== Images ==
These images are likely avatars either used by [[The Brothers Chaps]] or simply collected by them.

[[HR:wallpapers.html|Wallpapers]] — The wallpaper download page.

[[HR:calibos.gif|Picture 1]] — An image of Calibos. Probable reference material for Strong Sad in [[different town]]

[[HR:dennises.gif|Picture 2]] — An animated GIF of various actors named Dennis. The cycle of Dennises is [[Wikipedia:Dennis Hopper|Hopper]], [[Wikipedia:Denis Leary|Leary]], [[Wikipedia:Dennis Quaid|Quaid]], and [[Wikipedia:Dennis Franz|Franz]].

[[HR:franzer.gif|Picture 3]] — An animated GIF with various images of Dennis Franz.

[[HR:joker.jpg|Picture 4]] — A photo of Cesar Romero as the Joker. Probable reference material for Strong Bad in [[Halloween Fairstival]].

[[HR:polaris.gif|Picture 5]] — Cover of the promotional cassette "Happily Deranged", containing 3 songs from the mid '90s Nickelodeon show "[[Wikipedia:The Adventures of Pete and Pete|The Adventures of Pete & Pete]]." A larger version of the image is found [http://members.tripod.com/~maytg_jedi/pp/pic/front.jpg here].

[[HR:favicon.ico|Icon]] — A Homestar Runner icon. In some browsers, this is used as a bookmark icon. In other browsers it is displayed in the location/address bar when a user visits any page on homestarrunner.com.

== Previews ==
''These are the mini-Flash animations that appear on the TV screen when you scroll over the title of an item on the [[Toons Menu]].'' ([[HR:menuswfs/menu_bobross.swf|Easter egg]])

=== Big Toons ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_dumpingtontoon.swf|A Folky Tale]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_coolthings.swf|Cool Things]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_buginmouth.swf|Bug In Mouth Disease]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_commandos3.swf|Shopping for Danger]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_jailcartoon.swf|Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_parsnips.swf|Parsnips A-Plenty]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_whereis.swf|Where's The Cheat?]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_luau2.swf|The Luau]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cantsayjob.swf|A Jorb Well Done]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_radish.swf|The Reddest Radish]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_yellodellomenu.swf|In Search of the Yello Dello DVD]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_kingmenu.swf|The King of Town DVD]]

=== Shorts ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cheatcommandos4.swf|Commandos in the Classroom]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_trogdorcon.swf|TrogdorCon '97]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_lilbrudder.swf|The Li'l Brudder Show]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_filmstyle.swf|Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_pqtrailer.swf|Peasant's Quest Trailer]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_expfilm.swf|Experimental Film]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_senormortgage.swf|Senor Mortgage]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cheatcereal.swf|Cheat Commando's...O's]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cheatar.swf|The Cheatar]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cheatcommando.swf|Cheat Commando's]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_mrshmallow.swf|Mr. Shmallow]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_sneakvideo.swf|Ballad of The Sneak]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_whatsinthebag.swf|Lookin' at a Thing in a Bag]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_arcadegame.swf|Arcade Game]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_20x6vs1936.swf|20x6 vs. 1936]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_systemisdown.swf|The System is Down]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_marshie.swf|Meet Marshie]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_interview.swf|The Interview]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_fluffypuff2.swf|Fluffy Puff Commercial]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_video.swf|Theme Song Video]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_old.swf|Kick The Can]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_sbsings.swf|Strong Bad Sings]]

=== Holiday ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_fireworks.swf|Happy Fireworks]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_senorialday.swf|Senorial Day]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_payplus.swf|HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_xmas04.swf|Homestar Presents: Presents]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_xmas04_pq.swf|Snowglobe]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_ween04.swf|Halloween Fairstival]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_oldtimeyween.swf|That A Ghost]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_dween_menu.swf|Decemberween in July]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_underconstruction.swf|Under Construction]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_ween03.swf|3 Times Halloween Funjob]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_malloween.swf|Malloween Commercial]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_superbowl.swf|Superbowl Dealie]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_xmas2002.swf|A Decemberween Pageant]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_halloween2002.swf|Pumpkin Carve-nival]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_xmas2001.swf|The Best Decemberween Ever]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_turkey.swf|Some Stupid Turkey]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_halloween2001.swf|The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_mother.swf|A Mother's Day Message]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_xmas.swf|A Holiday Greeting]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_homestarloween.swf|Homestarloween Party]]

=== Puppet Stuff ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_bizcasfri3.swf|Biz Cas Fri 3]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppetjam4.swf|Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_bizcasfri2.swf|Biz Cas Fri 2]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_bizcasfri1.swf|Biz Cas Fri 1]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_sbvslilgirl.swf|Strong Bad vs. Little Girl!]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppetween.swf|Homestar vs. Little Girl 2]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_laborday.swf|Labor Dabor]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppetjam3.swf|Puppet Jam: Vitamins/Celebrities]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppetjam2.swf|Puppet Jam: Tropical Lazor Beams]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppetjam1.swf|Puppet Jam: Bad Jokes]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppettime.swf|Puppet Time]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_puppets.swf|Everybody Knows It]]

=== Powered by The Cheat ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_newboots.swf|New Boots]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_sbemail87.swf|Mile]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_crazycartoon.swf|Crazy Cartoon]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_fhqwhgads.swf|Everybody to the Limit]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_cheatvideo.swf|The Cheat Theme Song]]

=== Separate Features ===
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_sbmail.swf|Strong Bad Email]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_tgs.swf|Teen Girl Squad]]
*[[HR:menuswfs/menu_marzanswer.swf|Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
[[Category:Secret Pages]]
[[Category: Lists]]

Games

2005-09-19T01:18:11Z

Sahm:

[[Image:videogames.png|thumb|right|220px|A sample of Strong Bad games]]
'''Games''' are an integral part of the Homestarrunner site. [[The Brothers Chaps]] are confirmed [[Wikipedia:Nintendo|Nintendo]] supporters and have an affinity for [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]] games. Along with [[Jonathan Howe]] they have a fictional games company called [[Videlectrix]]. The games they release are influenced by all of the less-than-spectacular (though highly addicting) arcade and computer games of the 80's.
The current games menu is the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]].

===[[Scrolling_Shooter_Games_Menu|New Games]]===
<gallery>
Image:awesome 98.PNG|[[Awexome Cross]]
Image:marshiemixup.PNG|[[Marshie's Malloween Mix-Up]]
Image:peasantsquest.png|[[Peasant's Quest]]
Image:poptiregame.PNG|[[Population: Tire]]
Image:rhinofeeder.PNG|[[RhinoFeeder|Strong Bad's Rhino Feeder]]
Image:secretcollect.PNG|[[Secret Collect]]
Image:stinkogame.png|[[Stinkoman 20X6]]
Image:strongbadzonebox.PNG|[[StrongBadZone|Strong Bad Zone]]
Image:thydungeonman.png|[[Thy Dungeonman]]
Image:trogdorgame.png|[[TROGDOR!]]
</gallery>
===[[Handheld_Games_Menu|Old Games]]===
<gallery>
Image:astro-lite.PNG|[[Astro Lite]]
Image:marzipanaudition.PNG|[[Audition With Marzipan]]
Image:BT999.gif|[[Bronco Trolleys]]
Image:dancinbubs.PNG|[[Dancin' Bubs]]
Image:fortunecookies.PNG|[[Fortune Cookies]]
Image:Hairstyle runner.png|[[Hairstyle Runner]]
Image:homestarquiz.PNG|[[Homestar Quiz]]
Image:homestartalker.PNG|[[Homestar Talker]]
Image:shelovesme.PNG|[[She Loves Me!]]
Image:spinandsay.PNG|[[Spin 'n' Say]]
Image:Strong Libs.PNG|[[Strong Libs]]
</gallery>
===[[Toons|Toon]] Games===
<gallery>
Image:coachztalker.PNG|[[Coach Z Talker]]
Image:duckpondatari.png|[[Duck Pond|Duck Pond Simulator]]
Image:eggthrowing.PNG|[[Egg Throwing Game|Egg Throwing Game (Halloween)]]
Image:dating sim XR.png|[[Extra Real Dating Sim XR]]
Image:fishinggame.PNG|[[Fishing Challenge '91]]
Image:hr sid game.PNG|[[Homestar's 'Sid' Game]]
Image:mashspacebartothrow.PNG|[[Peg Strong Sad]]
Image:TreatSnatcha.png|[[Strong Bad's Treat Snatcha]]
Image:King Brothers Game.PNG|[[Super Kingio Brothers]]
Image:trail game.png|Sample Game from [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]
</gallery>

===[[Strong Bad's Message Bored|Message Bored]]===
<gallery>
Image:armlessinvaders.png|[[Armless Invaders]]
Image:dacheat.png|[[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge]]
Image:nightdriver.png|[[Nighttime Driving Type Game]]
</gallery>
===Misc. Games===
<gallery>
Image:50Kracewalk.PNG|[[50K Racewalker]]
Image:Duck Gaurd One.PNG|[[Duck Guardian One]]
Image:hallrunner.png|[[Hallrunner]]
Image:kickthecheat.PNG|[[Kick The Cheat]]
Image:kinggame win.png|[[Revenge of the King]]
Image:pigsonhead.PNG|[[Pigs on Head]]
Image:Thy Dung Two.PNG|[[Thy Dungeonman 2]]
</gallery>
===Forthcoming Games===
<gallery>
Image:hsr rpg atari2600 tv.jpg|[[Homestar Runner RPG]]
</gallery>
===Non-Playable Games===
<gallery>
Image:duckguardian2box.PNG|[[Duck Guardian 2]]
Image:kidspeedy.PNG|[[Kid Speedy]]
Image:kingdingo.PNG|[[King Dingo]]
Image:planet alert screen.PNG|[[Planet Alert!]]
Image:QWERTY.PNG|[[QWERTY]]
Image:rabbitalgebra.png|[[Rabbit Algebra]]
Image:saladdaze.PNG|[[Salad Daze]]
Image:shploitz.PNG|[[Shploitz!]]
Image:spaceshipper.PNG|[[Spaceshipper]]
Image:sundaedriving.PNG|[[Sundae Drivin']]
Image:TTOM One.PNG|[[Three-to-one Marny]]
Image:wheresanegg.PNG|[[Where's an Egg?]]
</gallery>
[[Category: Lists]][[Category: Games]]

User:Sahm

2005-08-28T07:19:13Z

Sahm:

== About Me ==
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is [http://liamandsam.cjb.net Liam and Sam] which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: [[Marshie]]
* Favourite Sbemail: [[dangeresque_3|Dangeresque 3]]
* Favourite Toon: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]
* Favourite Game: [[Peasant's Quest]]
* Favourite TGS: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
* Favourite Holiday: [[Under Construction]]
* Favourite Answering Machine: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2|Version 12.2]]
* Favourite Main Page: [[Main Page 19]] (The Show)

== The first time ==
The first time I ever saw Homestar Runner was when my brother was showing my other brother some SB Emails. So I checked them out. The first one I ever saw was [[dragon]] and it was between June 2 to June 9 of 03. I know this becuase the newest email was [[funny]]

== Edits ==
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in [[Weekly Fanstuff]], added two notices in the [[Handheld Games Menu]] and named the font in [[50K Racewalker]]. Go me ^^

== Merchandise ==
I have no merchandise but I really want to get all the dvds and the Cheat Commando's shirt.

Thy Dungeonman II

2005-08-27T12:36:09Z

Sahm:

[[Image:Thy_Dung_Two.PNG|thumb|right|220px|More text means more action!!]]
[[Image:thydungeonman2box.PNG|thumb|right|220px|Loincloth Larry]]

In '''Thy Dungeonman 2''' you play the same custodial knight trying to escape from the usual collection of tunnels, mazes, monsters and puzzles. The game is made by [[Videlectrix]] as the sequel to [[Thy Dungeonman]].

'''Page Title:''' Comes with 3 volume set of Thy Encyclopedias and Reference Guide!

== Commands ==
=== Main Commands ===
*north or n
*south or s
*east or e
*west or w
*help
*inventory or inv
*self
*look or where

=== Other Commands ===
*close drawer (office after opening drawer)
*dan
*dan (on enter name screen)
*dance
*dennis
*dennis (on enter name screen)
*die
*east (in chef's prepatory room)
*eat vegetables (in chef's prepatory room, before and after visiting infirmary)
*get (ye) flask
*get _ (anything except flask and dagger)
*get bread or eat bread (before getting hay)
*get chamber pot (after "get tinkle")
*get dagger
*get map (in cell)
*get map (in chef's prepatory room)
*get map in the office before unlocking the drawer
*get placard (before and after getting picture)
*give _ (any item)
*go ____ (anything will do)
*hold breath or plug nose or hold nose
*hold nose, then talk percy (with Percy)
*kick chamber pot or throw chamber pot
*kill chef (in chef's prepatory room)
*listen to ratt [sic] (with Percy)
*look (at) picture (before and after getting it)
*look cloth
*look key
*look paintings (in magistrate's office)
*look sucker
*mop stain or mop
*open drawer (after using key)
*put on cloth
*pwd (The *nix command "print working directory" displays your current location, e.g. ~Ldungeonman/DUNGEON/HALLWAY)
*release nose or unplug nose or breathe or smell
*search hay or take hay (after you have already done so)
*sniff (try it with and without nose held)
*take drawer (in magistrate's office)
*take foot (after "take drawer")
*take off cloth
*take placard (in magistrate's office)
*talk (to) rat (with Percy)
*try going a direction in the hallway that is not listed
*try going a direction in the maze that is not listed
*use key (after getting map)
*use picture, then get mop (fighting dongrel)
*west (in hallway)

== Point Values ==
*asking doctor about craftsman tools +1
*die -100
*eating bread +5 (only award points first time)
*get ye flask 3 times +2 and each time after that +2
*getting into maze +5
*getting map +5
*getting past Ripberger +5
*getting picture +3
*getting the drawer key +5
*killing dongrel +10
*killing Hongrels +2
*killing Longrels +1
*killing Mongrels +3
*killing percy +10
*leaving maze +5
*looking at david bowie +2
*mopping a stain +1
*take hay +5
*talking to saw doctor +5

== Ways to Lose the Game ==

* Get fired. (Hang around in the south area too long.)
* Die. (Get killed by a monster; type die; die by plague; hold your breath too long; lose all hitpoints; tell the doctor "yes"; "talk healer" and die of endless questioning.)

== Glitches ==
* Every time you type "get ye flask," you earn 2 points, regardless of whether or not you've already gotten yeself a flask.
* When you go north from the office, you are given the description of the office, but are really in the hallway as expected.
* The map you get in the game is slightly incorrect. The direction listed in bold has been left out: "West, West, North, West, North, North, '''North,''' East, East, North, East, North, North." (The map shown below is correct.)
* If you die, when you're asked "Play Again? [Y/N]", pressing N doesn't do anything.
* Right-click and save as on the flash file. Once you have started the game, type something in. Do not erase it. Use the control options to rewind the game. Start it again. Once you are in the game again, type something else. There will be double the characters in whatever you type. (For example, typing in "Hello" would come out "HHeelllloo".) You can repeat this process as much as you like and the numbers of characters will grow one per each time.

== Map ==
<code>
Ktcn--Infm
|
+
|
(M) +----(M) +----(L)
| | |
(H)---(M)----+-----+----(M)----+
| | |
+ (H) +
|
+
|
+----(M) (H)
| | |
(M) +----(M)---Maze--(L)
|
Prcy
|
Cell---+
|
Offc
</code>

Key:
*'''Cell''' - The Cell (where you start)
*'''Offc''' - The Magistrate's Office
*'''Prcy''' - Where you first meet Percy the rat
*'''Maze''' - The beginning of the maze, and where you find the mop
*'''Ktcn''' - Kitchen
*'''Infm''' - Infirmary
*'''(H)''' - Hongrel
*'''(L)''' - Longrel
*'''(M)''' - Mongrel
*'''(+)''' - Room

== Hints and Tips ==
* When talking to Ripberger, just use "talk ripberger" or "talk magistrate" in lowercase letters. Otherwise, the game may not recognize the command.
* Type "look map" at any time to view the map. note that you must ALREADY have the map before you can look at it.
* When fighting monsters in the maze, use the attack that starts with that monster's name. Therefore...
** Strike Longrels Low
** Strike Hongrels High
** Strike Mongrels Middlin

== Walkthrough ==

{{spoiler}}

At the beginning, "hold breath" (or "nose") and "get tinkle" (or "metal"), which is a key in the chamber pot. Don't forget to BREATHE. Type "breathe" or "release nose" or "unplug nose" or "smell".

"get hay", which turns out to be moldy bread.

"open door" and go "south".

"look at david bowie" (optional).

"use key" to unlock the drawer.

"get map". "look map" to get the maze directions. It disintegrates, so you'll have to write them down.

Go "north" and "talk magistrate".

Go "north", where you'll find a rat with a nametag. "look at nametag" (his name is Percy) and "talk to percy". He'll offer you the plague.

Go "north", and you'll get the plague (this can't be avoided).

"get mop", as you will need it to fight off monsters.

Now follow the directions from the map (see above). If you'd like, you can stop to "mop" when you see stains (there's a stain in every room of the maze). This is completely optional, and you only earn "experience points" from doing this (which do not add to your point total.)

To kill the monsters use the strike with the same letter as the beginning of the monster's name (eg. "middlin" for Mongrel, "high" for Hongrel, and "low" for Longrel).

When you get to the kitchen, go "eastward" (you can't just type "east" or "e" here) to the infirmary.

"talk to doctor". Say "no" when he asks if you can wait. He'll saw off your plague, give you a sucker, and send you back to the kitchen. Do not talk to the healer, the doctor and the healer are seperate entities.

"look at placard".

"get picture".

"talk to chef". He is really a Dongrel. "use picture" or "use sucker" to make Dongrel drop your mop, then "get mop" and "use mop" (if you never "talk to chef", you can skip straight to "use mop" and avoid losing 1 life).

"take emerald". Percy will show up. "take off loincloth" to kill him.

Note: On some browsers it is impossible to get the emerald, things will happen too fast.

You win and IT'S OVER!!

== Fun Facts ==
*The font used in this game is called "Sydnie"

===Explanations===
*The second-to-last letter in "Auguft" is supposed to be a [[Wikipedia:long s|long s]] ("ſ"), which resembles a lowercase "f".

===Glitches===
*If you type "south" or "s" after the magistrate goes into his office, it will show a different response right after the normal one.

===Inside References===
*This game is based on [[Thy Dungeonman]], introduced in the Strong Bad Email [[video games]].

===Real-World References===
*If you "look david bowie" in the the magistrate's office, the game replies: "There's something about that man... The picture was taken during the Tin Machine era. Thou art more of a Ziggy Stardust fan."
**[[Wikipedia:David_Bowie|David Bowie]] is a famous English rock artist whose career has spanned from the '60s to the present.
**Tin Machine was a four-piece rock band he formed from 1989 to 1992. Bowie dressed in suits and wore a mustache and beard.
**Ziggy Stardust was an androgynous character David Bowie invented and performed as for his classic 1972 album, ''[[Wikipedia:The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars|The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars]]''. Bowie wore wild, Japan-influenced outfits and the wild red hair that Strong Sad [[Halloween_Costumes#Halloween_Fairstival_.282004.29|wears]] in [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*Nutella is a real food made of hazelnut and chocolate. Nutella is meant to be used as a dip or food spread.
*When you enter your name, one of the things the game calls your name is "scrumtriliescent", which is a reference to Saturday Night Live's spoof of Inside the Actors' studio, wherein James Lipton (Will Ferrell) says "That show was delightful. No. No. It was brilliant. No, no, no, no. There is no word to describe its perfection, so I am forced to make one up. And I'm going to do so right now. Scrumtrilescent."
*Ripburger is also the name of a character from the [[Wikipedia:lucasarts|Lucasarts]] game [[Wikipedia:Full Throttle|Full Throttle]]

===Fast Forward===
*[[Ripberger]] becomes the name of a [[The Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commando]].

== External Links ==
*Play thy [http://www.videlectrix.com/thydungeonman2.html Game]
*Play thy [http://www.videlectrix.com/dungeonman2.swf Game (flash file)]

[[Category:Videlectrix Games]]

User:Sahm

2005-08-27T12:18:06Z

Sahm:

50K Racewalker

2005-08-27T12:12:20Z

Sahm:

[[Image:50Kracewalk.PNG|thumb|220px|OOPS!! You lose!!]]
[[Image:50Kracewalkbox.PNG|thumb|220px|Taste a walk!]]
'''50K Racewalker''' is a [[Videlectrix]] game by [[Jonathan Howe]].
Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Right... OOPS!!! You lose!! Alternate left right for about five hours without messing up and you could win the gold!!

'''Page Title:''' Take some steps!

== Instructions ==
After designing your character, and race mode starts, wait for the gun to fire and the word "Go" appears.

Then, taking your time, press "Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right..." slowly. If you do it too fast you'll get a FAULT. If you press the same key twice you will get a FAULT. If you press any key other than left or right you will get a FAULT.

A FAULT is an annoying message that will appear and your character will stop for a few seconds.

For every white line you pass on the track, you have traveled .01 kilometers. There are 40 successful "steps" required between each white line, and 50.00 kilometers to go. That's a lot of walking!

==Glitches==
*Sometimes the game will load up incorrect data where you'll start at 0.01k and it will say fault for every step you take.
*When you get to the end and you are on the pedestal you can still walk but you just stay in the same place and one set of lights moves left.
**Once the cheering in the end stops, this can no longer be done.

== Easter Eggs ==
*There is a "big head mode" in a nod to NBA Jam, and many other sports games. To toggle between "big head" and normal press the 'h' key on the "Choose it out" screen.
*There is a fat walker mode. To toggle between a fat walker and a normal one press the 'f' key on the "Choose it out" screen.
**These tricks are case-sensitive and must be typed in lowercase.
*The arms on the walker can be moved up and down by pressing the arrow keys on the "Choose it out" screen.
*There are five different special combinations that can be put together on the "Choose it out" screen, each of which gives you a special name rather than "Steak Styles".
** WILT CHAMBERLAIN: (it doesn't let you edit name when you do this one)
*** Hair: Black
*** Skin: Golden Brown (top center)
*** Shirt: Yellow
*** Style: J
*** Shorts: Yellow
*** Shoes: Black
** BRUCE LEE
*** Hair: Black
*** Skin: Blanched Olive (upper right corner)
*** Shirt: Yellow
*** Style: B
*** Shorts: Yellow
*** Shoes: Yellow
** LUKE SCHENSCHER
*** Hair: Orange
*** Skin: Light Pink (bottom left)
*** Shirt: Yellow
*** Style: B
*** Shorts: Black
*** Shoes: Yellow
** DR. J
*** Hair: Black
*** Skin: Dark Brown
*** Shirt: Dark Blue
*** Style: D
*** Shorts: Red
*** Shoes: White
**[[Gary Palaroncini|GARY PALARONCINI]] (Race also starts at 49.99k)
*** Hair: Blonde
*** Skin: Non-pale (center bottom)
*** Shirt: Pink
*** Style: C
*** Shorts: Medium Blue (upper left)
*** Shoes: Black

== Fun Facts ==
*This game is a parody of early Track and Field video games for older consoles, which simulated various track and field events by requiring the player to perform various tricks on the controller such as rapidly pushing the same button, alternating between two different buttons, rotate the joystick a certain number of times, or something similar.
*The "LICENSED BY FUNMACHINE" screen at the beginning pokes fun at classic video games and consoles, especially the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]] which displayed a "LICENSED BY SEGA" screen before each game, regardless of whether the game was actually licensed or not. (This was because this screen was a crucial part of the game bootstrap sequence, if this screen were not included, the game wouldn't start. Sega's Dreamcast also requires this screen.)
**The name "FUNMACHINE" may be a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Nintendo 64|Nintendo 64]], which was sometimes referred to as "The Fun Machine" on the packaging.
**[[Videlectrix]] fans should also note that [[Secret Collect]] was also for the FUNMACHINE, while Strong Bad's [[RhinoFeeder]] was for the SUPER FUNMACHINE.
*When you approach 1K, your character starts walking into a pixilated blackness. Once you reach 1K, a message pops up, saying "Woah! We didn't expect anyone to play for this long. Um, we didn't program this far. Hang on..." After a few seconds, the blackness is apparently programmed in, and you can continue.
*When you get to the end it shows you a screen that says "You placed 3rd", and shows your character walking up onto a stand that reads "3", with two others on "1" and "2".
**You can view the end screen by right clicking and pressing play or forward in the swf file.
*The signs you walk/run by say:
**Walk!
**Go ________!(Whatever you typed in for a name.)
**Farther!
**These boots were made for it!
**I've always loved you!
**Our arms are tired!
**You're almost there!
**With your feet!
**Walk it off!
**Fun sport!
**Iron Steed!
**Beware Cheplin!
**Weapons located in every corner!
**Why?
**Play footsie with me!
**Walk Better!
**Left! Right! Left! Right!
**Here!
*You can highlight the text on the signs in the background with your mouse like you would regular text on a word processor.
*The fastest you can walk is approximately 0.04 km per minute, meaning the fastest that one kilometer can be walked is about 25 minutes. It would therefore take over 20 hours to walk 50 kilometers.
*Finishing the 50k would take, at 40 steps per 0.01k, 200,000 steps/keypresses.
*40 steps per .01 km averages to 25 cm, or about 9.8" per step. That's almost a tiptoe.
*This game was last seen in Strong Bad's [[Floppy Disk Container|floppy disk container]] in the email [[sibbie]].
*The cheering sound when you cross a line comes from several games for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellivision Intellivision] game system.
*The line "these boots were made for it!" is a reference to the famous Nancy Sinatra song "These Boots Are Made For Walking."
*"Beware Cheplin!" and "Weapons located in every corner!" are from the NES game "Adventures of Tom Sawyer".
*[[Wikipedia:Wilt Chamberlain|Wilt Chamberlain]] was an legendary NBA player (among other things) who holds nearly 100 NBA records.
*[[Wikipedia:Bruce Lee|Bruce Lee]] was a legendary martial artist, film star, and creator of the Jeet Kune Do style of martial arts.
*[http://ramblinwreck.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/schenscher_luke00.html Luke Schenscher] appears to be a basketball player for Georgia Tech.
*[[Wikipedia:Julius Erving|Julius Erving]] (aka Dr. J) was a famous basketball star, most notably for his work with the [[Wikipedia:American Basketball Association|ABA]].
*The FAULT noise is the sound of launching a ball in the Atari 2600 game [http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareID=1437 Video Pinball].
*The font used for most of the text in this game is called "NOKIA® 5110 FontSet"

== External Links ==
* Play the [http://www.videlectrix.com/racewalk.html Game]
* Play the [http://www.videlectrix.com/racewalk.swf Game (flash file)]
* [[Forum:1739|forum thread re: "50K Racewalker"]]

[[Category:Videlectrix Games]]

User:Sahm

2005-08-27T11:30:07Z

Sahm:

Handheld Games Menu

2005-08-27T11:27:25Z

Sahm:

==Modern Handheld Games Menu==
[[Image:handheldgames_postshooter.png|thumb|right|220px|Retro Game Page-y goodness.]]
The '''Handheld Games Menu''' is currently available by choosing "Old Games" on the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]]. It is modeled after the vintage Nintendo "Game and Watch." The background can be changed so [[Homestar Runner]] can [[Prance|prance]] across [[The Field]], [[Strongbadia]] and [[The King of Town's Grill]].

'''Page Title:''' Exciting Handheld Action!
===Available Games===
*[[Dancin' Bubs]]
*[[Homestar Talker]]
*[[Audition With Marzipan]]
*[[Bronco Trolleys]]
*[[Strong Libs]]
*[[Homestar Quiz]]
*[[Hairstyle Runner]]
*[[Fortune Cookies]]
*[[Spin 'n' Say]]
*[[Astro Lite]]

==Original Handheld Games Menu==
[[Image:originalhandheldmenu.PNG|thumb|right|220px|The original version]]
Previously, the Handheld Games Menu was the main Games Menu. Most of it was the same as the current Handheld Games Menu, but there were a few differences.
*The last three games have been moved around a bit. The original version had the [[Videlectrix]] games "[[Population: Tire]]" and "[[TROGDOR%21|Trogdor!]]" (which were moved to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|new Games Menu]]) instead of "Fortune Cookies" and "Astro Lite", which were in the [[Museum]] at the time. "Spin 'n' Say" was also eighth in line instead of ninth.
*The text on top read "Super Fun Games-n-Such" instead of "Super Old Games-n-Such". The outline of the text was also thicker in the original version.
*The "bkgrd" button was where the "new games" button game is now. Obviously, the "new games" button was not in the original version.
*The mouth of the [[Strong Bad]] face ("Strong Libs'" icon) was filled in more in the original version. The question mark ("Homestar Quiz's" icon) was darker in the original version.
*The original version had a gray back button in the bottom-left corner of the screen, which the new version lacks.
*Clicking the back button in the games listed here will take you to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]].
*There are actually two select buttons, one is the yellow one and there is one behind it which is black that can be selected by clicking below and to the right of the yellow button or by pressing tab a few times which scrolls through the buttons.

==External links==
*[[HR:oldgames.html|View the Handheld Games Menu]]
*[[HR:handheld.swf|View the flash file for the Handheld Games Menu]]
*[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/games-preshooter.html View the original Handheld Games Menu]

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{{Succession box | before = [[Third Games Menu]] | title = [[Games]] Navigation | years = 2002-2004 | after = [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]]}}
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[[Category:HSR Navigation]][[Category: Games]]

Handheld Games Menu

2005-08-27T11:21:07Z

Sahm:

==Modern Handheld Games Menu==
[[Image:handheldgames_postshooter.png|thumb|right|220px|Retro Game Page-y goodness.]]
The '''Handheld Games Menu''' is currently available by choosing "Old Games" on the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]]. It is modeled after the vintage Nintendo "Game and Watch." The background can be changed so [[Homestar Runner]] can [[Prance|prance]] across [[The Field]], [[Strongbadia]] and [[The King of Town's Grill]].

'''Page Title:''' Exciting Handheld Action!
===Available Games===
*[[Dancin' Bubs]]
*[[Homestar Talker]]
*[[Audition With Marzipan]]
*[[Bronco Trolleys]]
*[[Strong Libs]]
*[[Homestar Quiz]]
*[[Hairstyle Runner]]
*[[Fortune Cookies]]
*[[Spin 'n' Say]]
*[[Astro Lite]]

==Original Handheld Games Menu==
[[Image:originalhandheldmenu.PNG|thumb|right|220px|The original version]]
Previously, the Handheld Games Menu was the main Games Menu. Most of it was the same as the current Handheld Games Menu, but there were a few differences.
*The last three games have been moved around a bit. The original version had the [[Videlectrix]] games "[[Population: Tire]]" and "[[TROGDOR%21|Trogdor!]]" (which were moved to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|new Games Menu]]) instead of "Fortune Cookies" and "Astro Lite", which were in the [[Museum]] at the time. "Spin 'n' Say" was also eighth in line instead of ninth.
*The text on top read "Super Fun Games-n-Such" instead of "Super Old Games-n-Such". The outline of the text was also thicker in the original version.
*The "bkgrd" button was where the "new games" button game is now. Obviously, the "new games" button was not in the original version.
*The mouth of the [[Strong Bad]] face ("Strong Libs'" icon) was filled in more in the original version. The question mark ("Homestar Quiz's" icon) was darker in the original version.
*The original version had a gray back button in the bottom-left corner of the screen, which the new version lacks.
*Clicking the back button in the games listed here will take you to the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]].

==External links==
*[[HR:oldgames.html|View the Handheld Games Menu]]
*[[HR:handheld.swf|View the flash file for the Handheld Games Menu]]
*[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/games-preshooter.html View the original Handheld Games Menu]

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{{Succession box | before = [[Third Games Menu]] | title = [[Games]] Navigation | years = 2002-2004 | after = [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]]}}
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[[Category:HSR Navigation]][[Category: Games]]

User:Sahm

2005-08-26T12:33:30Z

Sahm:

User:Sahm

2005-08-26T12:29:55Z

Sahm:

User:Sahm

2005-08-26T12:28:33Z

Sahm:

== About Me ==
Sahm here. I check out Homestar Runner and hrwiki everyday even though it is not likely that there are any updates everyday. My website is Liam and Sam which I made after being inspired by Homestar Runner.
* Favourite Character: Marshie
* Favourite Sbemail: Dangeresque 3
* Favourite Toon: Can't decide!

== Edits ==
So far I am only responsible for minor edits and additions. I added the link for the Legodor pictures in Fanart. Go me ^^