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Casio Keyboards

2014-08-30T02:20:09Z

Nerd42: /* External Links */

[[Image:cheat_keyboard_puppet_time.png|thumb|right|220px|Ah, the melodious tunes of a cheap, affordable synthesizer]]
'''[[Wikipedia:Category:Casio synthesizers|Casio keyboards]]''' are used to make most of the music for the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] cartoons. They also make appearances in some of the toons.

== Casio SK-1 ==
The '''[[Wikipedia:Casio SK-1|Casio SK-1]]''' in particular was the tool used to craft some of [[homestarrunner.com]]'s most recognizable tunes. It can even be said that younger generations now attribute the SK-1's lo-fi drum beats to Homestar Runner, unaware of their origin.
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=== Songs made with SK-1 ===
*[[Old Intro]]
*[[A Jumping Jack Contest]] intro credits
*[[Eggs (toon)]]
*[[A Jorb Well Done]]

==Appearances==
*[[FAQ]] — According to [[The Brothers Chaps]], most of the music on the site is made with "old Casio keyboards or worse".
*[[The Cheat's Keyboard]] is a [[Wikipedia:Casio SK-1|Casio SK-1]].
**Several of the SK-1's rhythms and presets have shown up as background music and sound effects, particularly in the [[Old Intro]] and [[A Jorb Well Done]].
*[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] — [[Keyboard Strong Bad]]'s head is a [[Wikipedia:Casio VL-1|Casio VL-Tone]].
*Email [[lady...ing]] — The background riffs on the LaserDisc song are demo tracks of the [[Wikipedia:Casio MT-100|Casio MT-100]].

==External Links==
*[http://www.polyvalens.com/vl1/index.html VL1 - the Casio VL-Tone Emulator] should be able to produce virtually identical sounds.
*[http://www.easytoolz.de/products.html easy-casiopeia] is another similar emulator for the Casio VL-1.

[[Category:Instruments]]

April Fool 2014

2014-04-15T06:56:22Z

Nerd42: /* Remarks */

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{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|index|Which Ween Costumes?|Homestarloween Party}}
[[Image:AprilFools2014.png|thumb|"You got this, Homestar. This is nothin'."]]

After years of no updates, Homestar decides to update all the best features of the website.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|The Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Sickly Sam}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}

'''Date:''' Tuesday, April 1, 2014

'''Running time:''' 4:48

'''Page title:''' Everybody! Everybody?

==Transcript==
''{The Homestarrunner.com welcome screen is visible, but dim. On the left is "com on in", with the "e" in "come" having fallen down below the words. On the right is "watch intro"; the "a" has fallen a bit and has pushed aside some of the letters below it. Homestar Runner, though dim like the rest of the screen, appears as normal. The top-left corner of the screen is sagging slightly. Wind can be heard in the background. After a few seconds, a drop of water falls and Homestar sighs. The sagging corner falls a little over the next line, exposing some HTML behind it.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{aside, to himself}'' You got this, Homestar. This is nothin'. Just like fallin' off a web van.

''{The lights come on.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, hello, Debra! ''{turns to the side}'' Simone! ''{angrily leans into the camera}'' The internet! ''{leans back}'' I am what you might call Homestar Runner. ''{beat, then throws confetti. Out of the side of his mouth:}'' Yaaaay! Over the last several years of my dot com, peoples all the time be askin' me: "Hey Homestar! How come you stopped updating y—"

''{Homestar starts coughing and sputtering.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ahem! Sorry, got some ''{a piece of crab, with a drop of blood falling from it, appears from inside his mouth}'' crab shell stuck in my throat. ''{throws it aside}'' Continuing. "How come you stopped updating the best feature on your website?" And to that I answer: "You mean how come I stopped updating the Hairstyle Runner gallery back in the year 2000?" ''{holds up the [[Hairstyle Runner]] toy}'' I don't know! Let's go update it right now, Joshy!

''{He winds up to run toward stage left.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yup. You guessed it. ''{takes off}'' Peow!

''{Another drop of water falls after he is gone. Cut to the "Hairstyle Gallery", as noted by a banner on the top of the screen. It is a museum entryway, entirely done in the style of the older toons. There is a statue of Homestar with a leaf over his crotch and olive branches on his head, holding a tablet that reads "PLVRBVS OVRBVS". In the lower-right corner are two banners reading "SEE THE GALLERY" and "SUBMIT YOUR OWN". Homestar, in his modern appearance, walks in and looks at the statue.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Whoa-hoa-hoa! Hello there, magnificent specimen. ''{takes the leaf}'' Poink! ''{he places it over his own crotch}'' That's better. Let's get started.

''{He turns to look at a Hairstyle Runner allegedly submitted by "Cherry G.". It shows the iron shavings placed to look like eyes and a bird beak on the back of Homestar's head.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' This one from Cherry G. makes the back of my head look like some kind of bold eagle.

''{Cut back to Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{laughing}'' Huh-huh-huh-huh! He's so bold in his... in his decision making! Oh-ho! He's our national bold! Ohhh man! What fun!

''{Turns to look at one from "D. Lindo" that has "P." written on Homestar's head in the shavings.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Here's one from D. Lindo that simply has the letter—

''{Cut back to Homestar as he snickers, then breaks out laughing.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Haaa! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! It's the letter— ''{snickers again, and then turns to the side}'' Pom Pom, ya gotta see this! ''{doubles over}'' It's the letter P! Followed by a period! ''{rolls over onto his back}'' Ha ha ha ha ha! Who puts a period after the letter P?! ''{calming down}'' Ohh man, I'm gonna stand back up. ''{starts to get up}'' I'm'a stand back up right now. ''{stands up}'' Whew! I am on a roll! What else can we update? I know! Let's bring everybody's favorite old-timey cartoons—

''{Cut to the intro to Kick the Can.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' —into the modern age!

''{The Homestar Runner appears, kicking the can. He approaches Sickly Sam.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' With my patented Colorarization!

''{Colors appear from the right side of the screen with the blinking word "COLORARIZATION!" appearing. The colors are mostly pastel colors that don't fit the scene at all. Sickly Sam's legs become beefy human-looking legs covered in hair, but his main body doesn't change at all.}''

'''SICKLY SAM:''' ''{very distorted}'' Am I up with the times?

'''THE HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sorry, Sickly Sam. You're an affront to God and man!

''{He kicks the can into Sickly Sam, and both disappear with a "PAFH!" cloud and sound effect. The Homestar Runner kicks and opens his mouth as the scene cuts back to modern-day Homestar, with the leaf in his mouth.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, man, these updates are great! Let's keep going! ''{swallows the leaf}'' Ooh, how's about some new words for the old Homestar Talker?

''{The [[Homestar Talker]] appears. With different sound effects, "KITCHENETTE", "DRACONIAN", and "POINK" appear in the corners. A mouse cursor clicks the following words, and the Homestar in the Talker says them in his old voice:}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{in the Talker}'' Kitchenette. Strong Bad. Is. Making. Draconian. Marshmallow. Poink.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Draconian marshmallow poink?! Oh, that is it!! I'm going to appear onscreen! Now.

''{The cursor clicks on "Alright".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{in the Talker}'' All riiiiight!

''{Cut to the Hairstyle Gallery, where Strong Bad is now in front of Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh! Hi, Simone!

'''STRONG BAD:''' This is clearly not what they meant when they asked about updating the website's best feature!

''{Closeup on Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uhhhh... yeah, it is. It's all the best junk from my dot com!

''{Strong Bad leans into the shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh yeah? Well what about...

''{Leaves and then sits down at the [[Compy 386]].}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' strongbad_eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee_windows98desktoptheme

''{He hits Enter, and a desktop theme with Strong Bad's boxing glove "SB" logo in the background and "MY COMPUTER" labeled with an icon of Strong Bad's head. Shortly thereafter, icons for "NETWORK NEIGHBORHOOD" (his boxing glove), "MY DOCUMENTS" (Strong Bad in front of a stack of papers), and "TRASH BIN" (a roll of toilet paper) appear one at a time}''

'''COMPY:''' ''{in Strong Bad's original voice}'' Hello, stupid, and welcome to your crappy computer!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! Sounded good there! I had a lot more wrestling mask in my accent back then. Let's update that jank! C'mere, System Mic!

''{A small tab appears from the left side of the monitor, and a telescoping microphone appears and extends toward Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Windows 98 system startup sound, go!

''{A window labeled "sys.mic" appears, showing the sound wave of Strong Bad's next line.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Ongggg, doodle-ing! Ding ding ding ding! Welcome to Windows 98. ''{jumps up from his chair and yells:}'' WHY ARE YOU STILL USING WINDOWS 98??! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??!! STOP BUYING COMPUTERS FROM THRIFT STORES, MAN!!

''{Cut to a wide shot, showing Homestar standing nearby.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 'Scuse me, Strong Bad. Wanna help me record a duet of my classic Win98 System Shutdown song?

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{apprehensively}'' Oh, I dunno...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{to the camera}'' Oh, come on, folks, who wants to hear it?

''{A crowd cheers from offscreen.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' On this stage tonight, the two great guys back together!

'''STRONG BAD:''' I mean I couldn't possibly... I couldn't think to want to... and ''{unintelligible}'' ''{smiles}'' Oh, very well. Hit it, Homestar!

''{Cut to Homestar, with a mustache and goatee sloppily drawn on his face in marker, talking into the Compy's microphone.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One, two, three, four, five...

''{Cut further back. Homestar is wearing a gray fedora and shirt, blue jeans, and now has the Compy's mic strapped to his face.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing off-key}'' And now the love!

''{Strong Bad's head floats by}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' And now the love!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That lasts forever!

''{Strong Bad's head appears with gold teeth with "4", "E", "V", and "A" written on them.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know it's lasted forever!

''{Two Homestars appear.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Has cooome—

''{Strong Bad slides in on his knees.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Come down—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' —to—

'''STRONG BAD:''' —to—

''{Cut to Strong Bad's computer room. Homestar is dressed normally, although both he and Strong Bad have leaves over their crotches, and both characters are arm-in-invisible-arm.}''

'''BOTH:''' —its eeeeeeeeeee...

''{The screen fades out and their voices trail off, but it immediately brightens back up and they complete the word.}''

'''BOTH:''' ...eeeeeeeenduh!

''{The screen switches to the text "It's now safe to turn off your computer." After a few seconds,}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Thanks for updatin' the website with me, Strong Bad!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Yeah, that wasn't so bad! We should do this again soon.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Three years soon, or like five years soon?

''{The text starts to tilt.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Y'know, five, ten, fifteen, whate— whatever it takes.

''{Text reading "back", "download [[Strong Bad Desktop Theme|strong bad's windows 98 theme]]", and "download [[Homestar Runner Desktop Theme|homestar's windows 98 theme]]" appears.}''

==Easter Eggs==
* At the end, click on "safe" to see a bust of the back of Homestar's head with eyes and a beak, labeled "OUR NATIONAL BOLD".
* At the end, click on "turn off" to see an album with Homestar in his singer outfit and Strong Bad with cornrows and his "4EVA" teeth, labeled "The 2 Great Guys ON THIS STAGE TONITE", with "COMPY-DIRECTIONAL SOUND" written at the bottom.
* At the end, click on "computer" to see a scene with Homestar and Strong Bad.
:''{The text at the end of the toon is actually painted on a giant cardboard rectangle that Homestar and Strong Bad are holding up.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' So what have you been up to, man? Haven't seen you in so long!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, you know how it is. Doin' a lot of side projects, some consulting, maybe a little freelance.... Those are words that people say when they haven't actually been doing anything, right?
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, yeah, cool! I've been kinda like living inside of a bag. Like a duffel bag.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh! That's... great?
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, yeah, I know, it's— it's great! It's got, like, a zipper. And... some straps. Maybe some kind of fungus growing in it. So basically, you know, top of my game!

==Fun Facts==


===Trivia===
*The disk in the [[floppy disk container]] reads "eden" and is most likely a reference to the 1992 point-and-click adventure game 'Amazon: Guardians of Eden'.
*The words "plurbus" and "ourbus" are not actual Latin words. However, "pluribus orbus" could be taken to mean "more deprived".


===Remarks===
*The [[Hairstyle Runner]] hair is still clickable, and each piece shrinks slightly when highlighted, just as in Hairstyle Runner. However, clicking them does nothing, and they cannot be dragged.
*When Homestar is seen eating the leaf, the aspect ratio is the same as the updated Kick the Can.
*None of the original sound clips from [[Homestar Talker]] are used, except for "alright". This may be so all words in the sentence are the same [[Audio Quality|sound quality]].
*Despite the fact that the [[Compy 386]] was shot by [[Bubs]] in [[virus]], and then eaten by [[Strong Mad]] in [[retirement]], it appears here completely unharmed. This may be for better consistency, as the [[Compé]] appears to run on a newer operating system.
**There is also no contrast knob. This difference may indicate that this is another distinct used Compy 386 computer Strong Bad has purchased, never before seen in a cartoon. It would be another computer of the same model as the one that was earlier destroyed.
*The "back" button always leads to [[Main Page 17]].


===Inside References===
*Homestar addresses [[bottom 10|Simone]] and [[Debra]] at the beginning.
*Homestar uses the phrase "[[All the time]]".
*"Peow!" and "Poink!" are examples of [[onomatopoeia]].
*Homestar previously had a leaf covering his crotch in [[fan club]].
*Cherry G., who submitted the "National Bold", is apparently [[Cherry Greg]].
*Homestar calling Strong Bad, "Simone", marks an instance of [[gender confusion]].
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad Smiling|smiles]] when agreeing to sing with Homestar.
*During the shutdown song, Homestar not only wears [[Homestar Runner's Pants|pants]], but a shirt with [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm-holes]].
*The Compy was previously shown to have a graphical user interface in [[big white face]].
*This entire toon alludes to [[The Brothers Chaps]]' [[hiatus]] from regular updates. This is the first major update on the site since [[Which Ween Costumes?]], from December 22nd, 2010. This makes it the longest hiatus in the site's history, at 3 years, 3 months, and 10 days, or 1,197 days total.
**The [[Main Pages]] still list December 22, 2010 as the "Last Updated" date, and the [[TV Time Toons Menu|Toons]] guide does not list this toon.
*Homestar claims to have been living inside of a bag. This may be a reference to his appearance at the [[TMBG Concert - 5 Mar 2010|March 5, 2010 They Might Be Giants concert]], in which he stated that he would be kept "in a Hefty bag in a storage space for a couple more months".


===Real-World References===
*[[wikipedia:Webvan|Webvan]] was an online company specializing in the purchase and delivery of groceries. They went bankrupt in 2001, and are regarded as one of the worst flops in internet history.
*"Colorarization" is a reference to [[wikipedia:film colorization|film colorization]], the practice of adding color to black-and-white films with varying degrees of success.
*The "It's now safe to turn off your computer" screen is directly lifted from the screen that most [[wikipedia:Windows 95|Windows 95]] computers would show after shutting down. A parody of this screen previously appeared in [[virus]].


==External links==
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[[Category:April Fools]]

Talk:H*R.com updates 2013

2013-04-07T01:38:20Z

Nerd42: /**/delete this page?

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== delete this page? ==

Since there are no updates and there probably won't be any ever again, I suggest deleting / suspending any further update pages on the wiki until there are more updates or even news. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 01:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

A Decemberween Mackerel

2010-12-15T03:52:39Z

Nerd42: /* Trivia */ actually, so is resolution. It's a vector, therefore it's new dimensions, not resolution. My bad

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|xmas10|Xeriouxly Forxe|Homestarloween Party}}
[[File:A Decemberween Mackerel opening.png|thumb|At Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.]]

Senor Cardgage says he's dying so Marzipan tries to stuff him with Decemberween spirit to save him.'

'''Cast:''' {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Strong Mad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Homsar}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' December 14, 2010

'''Running Time:''' 6:05

'''Page Title:''' We Come Down Off Our High Horse!

'''FeedBurner Summary:''' Surprise! Like an errant reindeer that's come loose from the sleigh, hurtling towards the earth at breakneck speed, bursting into flames, and impact cratering the crap out of your front yard...It's a Decemberween cartoon! Marzipan takes it upon herself to try and improve Senor Cardgage's dismal life. Man! Years go by fast, huh?! Cram that holiday cheer! Cram it! [http://feeds.feedburner.com/HomestarRunner]

== Transcript ==
''{Music plays. A silhouette of Homestar and Marzipan can be seen through the falling snow. Lines representing the wind curl by.}''

''{Cut to Marzipan with earmuffs and scarf holding a dish and Homestar in his brown hat walking through The Field through the snow. Homestar looks distressed.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzi-pan! Explain to me why we're slogging through this blizzard again? I don't think I can slog much further!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the two}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' I told you, at Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And, you think bringing him bean sprouts is, ahem, helping?

''{Pull back to a wider shot. Marzipan looks angrily at Homestar.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Be quite and keep slogging. We're almost there.

''{A bush comes into view.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, man! This guy? ''{They stop walking}'' When you said less fortunate, I thought you just meant Coach Z.

''{Coach Z pops up in the foreground from under a snow drift wearing a Blubb-O's box}''

'''COACH Z:''' Me too!

''{Coach Z disappears}''

''{A doorbell sounds. Senor Cardgage rises into view accompanied by traffic sounds. He's facing away from Marzipan and Homestar.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Hello, Chi Minh?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Hello, Mr. Senor! Happy Decemberween!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the three of them.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Is this a frank, call?

'''MARZIPAN:''' No, no, over here. ''{Cardgage turns around.}'' We brought you some food for the holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah. We came down off of our high horse to spread around some Decemberween cheer.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Thank you, Hot Pooey. ''{Homestar looks mad. Zip pan to a close-up of the bush.}'' Do you care to coincide?

''{Close-up of Homestar and Marzipan}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, did that guy just call me "Hot Pooey"? And invite me inside that bush?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{embarrassed}'' Maybe?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's it, I'm going back to your house. Later on, we'll conspire.

''{Cut back to a wider shot. Homestar walks off screen left. Cardgage is now shaking.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, you poor wretch. What's the matter?

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, not much... I'm just... dying.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Gasp!

''{A red title card with a holly border slides in from screen right. Words appear as the singers sing them.}''

'''SINGERS:''' A Decemberween Mackerel. (The name of this cartoon.)

''{Crossfade to Homestar wearing a mistletoe sweater and a red bow laying on Marzipan's couch, the camera slowing trucking back to reveal his entire body.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Marzipan! Is that you? I'm wearing a sweater made out of mistletoe! A what feels like a colony of venomous bugs!

''{Cut to a wider shot. Cardgage enters screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah! You!

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{sing-song}'' Hot pooey.

''{Marzipan follows screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan! What's the big idea of bringing this guy home? ''{Cut to close-up to Homestar}'' I was about to give you your December make out present. ''{Homestar winks and clicks with his mouth.}''

''{Cut back to previous shot.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' This is serious, Homestar. Senor Cardgage is dying! ''{Cardgage nods}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, cool. We'll just make out after. What do you give him, five minutes? No minutes? ''{Homestar steps towards Marzipan.}'' No minutes?

''{Close up of Marzipan. She's angry. }''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Homestar, I don't have time to trick you into making out with a mop again this year. ''{Her expression clears}'' Hmm, if we cram him full of enough holiday cheer, maybe he can squeeze out a Decemberween miracle!

''{Cut to medium shot of all three}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, I love cramming holiday cheer. I'll go get my ''{pulls from off screen}'' tinsel wrapped cram rod!

''{Beat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Okay, I'm back.

''{Push wipe up red card reading "Holiday Cheer Cramlist" "Caroling"}''

''{Push wipe up to reveal Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage outside singing at sunset around a bathtub with chains around it. Homestar is waving his cram rod and Marzipan is holding a candle.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}'' Coach Z has been drinking non specific mouthwash-ween.

''{A arm with papers shoots in from screen left.}''

'''MAN:''' I need you to sign here.

''{Homestar pushes the papers away with his cram rod.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{echoey}'' Oh, thanks guys. That warms my heart.

''{Cut to a shot inside of the tub. Strong Sad's face is seen in the bottom right of the frame and a chain around his body. Homestar is looking through the slats above.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Not enough to stave off hypothermia, of course. But a month long ''{cut back to outside. Cardgage is groaning and swaying}'' coma isn't something I haven't dealt with before.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' My coma's toast....

'''MARZIPAN:''' Time to go!

''{The Marzipan and Cardgage dash off screen right, while Homestar follows.}''

''{Cut to red card as before. Caroling is crossed out and "Greeting Card" is in the center. A musical sting plays.}''

''{Push wipe down to reveal Pom Pom with a camera on a tripod and lighting umbrellas behind him. He is gesturing with an arm.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot reveals Homestar in his mistletoe sweater, Marzipan with lights in her ponytail and Cardgage wearing a olive green cardigan. Homestar moves slightly to the right in the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm up.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Marzipan moves back slightly.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm screen left.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage moves slightly to the right.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm and bubbles for a long time.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage continues to move to the right until his is halfway out of the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm to tell Cardgage to stop.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{He picks up Gooblies and squeezes him. There is a white flash and cuts to a card with "Seasoned Greetings", with Homestar and Marzipan, and Cargage halfway out of the frame.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, now we need to make the corresponding ''{cut to a wider shot, showing the card in the lower left, while Marzipan is wearing half-moon glasses.}'' newsletter to brag about our family. ''{Marzipan clicks the pen and takes a deep breath. As she starts to write, the words appear behind her.}'' This year was so great! Our family is so great! I can't believe Homestar has started fourth grade! How time flies. It's so great! Senor Cardgage won first place in sports and was selected to be terminally ill! I'm in book club and PTA carpool and redoing the backsplash. It's so great! Warm wishes, The Marzipan-Homestar-Cardgages. ''{Marzipan finishes by writing on the table}''

''{Cut to Homestar sitting on the arm of the couch with his cram stick. Cardgage is lying on the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Our family is, literately and figuratively, so great! ''{Cardgage groans}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{off-screen}'' Moving on!

''{Push wipe left red title card. Caroling and Greeting Card are now crossed out with "Waiting In Line" in the center.}''

''{Push wipe left to reveal Bubs' Concession Stand. A silhouette of Bubs can be seen waving his arms. A line of people can be seen, ending with Marzipan and Cardgage. Camera slowly pans and reveal Homestar in the foreground.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{faintly}'' I've got a deal on everything. I've got all sorts of stuff!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Say, Bubs. ''{Camera pans to reveal Bubs standing next to Homestar. Homestar pokes him with the cram rod.}'' What's this line for?

'''BUBS:''' The holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Perfect! How long is it?

'''BUBS:''' Three miles or eighteen days. ''{Pull back to reveal Cardgage standing behind them. He begins to groan.}'' Whichever comes first.

''{Cardgage turns around groaning. Bubs looks annoyed.}''

''{Marzipan sticks her head in screen right.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, that's enough. Let's move Preoow! ''{She grabs Cardgage and dashes off screen right. Homestar is stunned.}''

''{Push wipe right red title card as before. Caroling, Greeting Card and Waiting In Line are all crossed off, with "Tree Lighting" now in the center.}''

''{Push wipe right to Coach Z standing next to Homestar. Homestar is waving his cram rod.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Nothing crams Decemberween cheer like the annual lighting ''{Cut to wider shot of Coach Z, Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage standing around the telephone pole. Yellow lights are strung from the pole, and an orange extension cord is in the foreground. Cardgage sways.}'' the lights attached to a pole in a tree shaped fashion.

''{Cut back to the shot of Coach Z and Homestar. Homestar has picked up the extension cord.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' If this doesn't cure him, nothing will!

'''COACH Z:''' Don't I know it! Last year, these lights cured me of chronic athlete's tongue and the year before that, it was rug rush, and then hot pooey—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Excuse me, your disgusting. Barf.

''{Homestar throws up and turns away. Coach Z looks disappointed. Homestar than plugs in the extension cord.}''

''{Cut to a wider shot. The lights turn on.}''

'''COACH Z & MARZIPAN:''' Oh!

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage. Cardgage is disheveled and his glasses are falling off.}'''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh wow, if it was pitch black and I squinted and I was a few miles away, ''{cut to a wide silhouette of all standing around the tree}'' this would sort of look like a tree almost! ''{Cut back to previous shot.}'' Isn't it wonderous, Senor? A real miracle inducing spectacle, isn't it?

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{moans}'' Oh, my Toyota crashed it all... ''{Cardgage falls down}''

''{Cut to wider shot with Cardgage in the snow.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, no!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, yes!

''{Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat come in from the bottom of the frame. Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Strong Bad, with Strong Mad in a sweater and The Cheat green hat behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's going on here?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Help, quick! I think Senor Cardgage is dying!

'''STRONG BAD:''' What makes you think that?

''{Cut to close up of Marzipan}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' He told me so, when I brought him a hot covered dish to brighten his dismal life.

''{Cut back to the medium shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''He'' told you. ''{Close up of Strong Bad}'' You decided to take at face value something a guy who lives in a bush and talks to melty candy bars said.

''{Cut back to medium shot}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Maybe?

'''STRONG BAD:''' And, not fifteen minutes ago told me I ''{cut to the Basement of the Brothers Strong. Strong Bad is standing on the arm of the orange couch and Cardgage is standing next to it. Marzipan's dish is sitting on the couch.}'' might paste away if I Dinty Moore. ''{Strong Bad begins to leap on the dish.}''

''{Cut back to The Field. Cardgage stirs and holds up a can that says "Dented")''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' You rally might, Pez dispenser. ''{He collapses}''

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Besides, everyone knows the way to save Senor Cardgage is to cut a bunch of motor sports magazines in half and pour gravy on a defibrillator. A-like so.

''{Cut Strong Mad with magazines that read "Modasports. The 20[covered] Tomatocyle!!!! Daaaang!" The Cheat is standing next to a defibrillator and a gravy boat. Strong Mad grunts and pulls the magazines apart. The Cheat then takes the gravy boat and pours the gravy on the defibrillator. Music plays and the silhouette of Cardgage can be seen rising.}''

''{Cut to a shot of Cardgage with rays behind him, standing tall.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, my grabness, grabness. It really is—

''{Cut to a shot of all standing around the tree. Strong Sad is still in his tub, next to The King of Town and Strong Mad. The Poopsmith is standing behind Bubs screen left.}''

'''ALL:''' A Decemberween mackerel!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And nobody's dying.

''{Cut to an emaciated Homsar lying in the snow}''

'''HOMSAR:''' Help! I'm your guest door neighbor. Puff. Cough. Tough.

''{Red card with End appears}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Clicking on the E on "End" at the end of the toon will show a quick scene of Homestar Runner making out with "Marzipan".

''(The door of Marzipan's closet is shown, with some mistletoe leaves scattered outside it. Homestar's voice comes from inside the closet)''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh...Oh, I must say...Oh, twice...Marzipan, it's so romantic the way you lured me into this closet! ''(Marzipan is seen walking by the closet)'' ...And the way your wet stringy face tastes like seven kitchen floors! ''(Homestar coughs)'' ...Cockroach.

*Clicking on the D on "End" at the end of the toon will show a new product from the makers of "Hot Jones".

''(A mug of Hot Jones is shown)''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' From the makers of Hot Jones comes Hot Pooey, our newest holiday sensation! ''(The mug is replaced by a different mug, the contents of which are censored)'' Hot Pooey! Oh dear God...what have we done?

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*A DVR is a [[Wikipedia:Digital video recorder|digital video recorder]].
*To come down off your high horse is to stop thinking less of other people.

===Trivia===
*This is only the second toon of 2010.
*On the homepage, when "new holiday toon!" is moused over, it words change to "for real!"
*This episode is the first to shown in new, higher dimensions.

===Remarks===
[[File:ADecemberweenMiracle.png|thumb|A Decemberween Miracle]]
[[File:HotPooeyUncensored.png|thumb|Ohh, there's two of them!]]
*Much like [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], this cartoon appears to be recorded in higher quality sound than usual.
*For four frames, while the title is coming to the foreground, it reads "A Decemberween Miracle".
*During the caroling, the candle Marzipan is holding is the same as in the email [[love poems]].
*Hot Pooey, beneath its censored bar, is identical to [[Hot Jones]].

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad is [[Homestar Presents: Presents|locked in a bathtub]].
*This is another instance of [[making out]], [[death]], and [[spoken sound effects]].
*Homestar says "Oh, [[Twice]]" in one of the easter eggs.
*Coach Z pops up wearing a [[Blubb-O's]] box.
*The silhouettes of [[Homeschool Winner]], [[Rafferdy]], [[Preshy]], [[Champeen]], [[The Hurricane]] and three [[Unguraits]] (standing on each others' heads) appear in line for Bubs' Concession Stand.
*The last line of Marzipan and Homestar's carol, "Coach Z's been drinking nonspecific mouthwash," is a reference to the song "O Decemberween" at the end of [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. The original line was "Coach Z's been drinking Listerine."
*Senor Cardgage appears from [[hammerspace]], accompanied by the traffic noise first heard in [[hremail3184]].
*Pom Pom picks up [[Gooblies]] when taking the picture.
*Homestar saying "That is literally, and figuratively, so great" is a refrence to [[Jibblies 2]].
* The [[Minor Foods#Tomatocyle|tomatocycle]] previous showed up in [[Where U Goin' 2?]]
* Homestar [[Puking|pukes]] when Coach Z tells him about his illnesses.

===Real World References===
*Homestar's quote, "Later on, we'll conspire," is from the Christmas song [[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|"Winter Wonderland"]].
*[[Wikipedia:Hormel|Dinty Moore]] is a brand of canned [[stew]].
*"Hello, Chi Minh" is a play on [[Wikipedia:Ho Chi Minh|Ho Chi Minh]].
*Cardgage calls Strong Bad "[[Wikipedia:Pez|Pez dispenser]]."

== External Links ==
{{extlinks|xmas10|16628}}

A Decemberween Mackerel

2010-12-15T03:52:08Z

Nerd42: /* Trivia */ "Full screen" is a relative term

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|xmas10|Xeriouxly Forxe|Homestarloween Party}}
[[File:A Decemberween Mackerel opening.png|thumb|At Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.]]

Senor Cardgage says he's dying so Marzipan tries to stuff him with Decemberween spirit to save him.'

'''Cast:''' {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Strong Mad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Homsar}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' December 14, 2010

'''Running Time:''' 6:05

'''Page Title:''' We Come Down Off Our High Horse!

'''FeedBurner Summary:''' Surprise! Like an errant reindeer that's come loose from the sleigh, hurtling towards the earth at breakneck speed, bursting into flames, and impact cratering the crap out of your front yard...It's a Decemberween cartoon! Marzipan takes it upon herself to try and improve Senor Cardgage's dismal life. Man! Years go by fast, huh?! Cram that holiday cheer! Cram it! [http://feeds.feedburner.com/HomestarRunner]

== Transcript ==
''{Music plays. A silhouette of Homestar and Marzipan can be seen through the falling snow. Lines representing the wind curl by.}''

''{Cut to Marzipan with earmuffs and scarf holding a dish and Homestar in his brown hat walking through The Field through the snow. Homestar looks distressed.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzi-pan! Explain to me why we're slogging through this blizzard again? I don't think I can slog much further!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the two}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' I told you, at Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And, you think bringing him bean sprouts is, ahem, helping?

''{Pull back to a wider shot. Marzipan looks angrily at Homestar.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Be quite and keep slogging. We're almost there.

''{A bush comes into view.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, man! This guy? ''{They stop walking}'' When you said less fortunate, I thought you just meant Coach Z.

''{Coach Z pops up in the foreground from under a snow drift wearing a Blubb-O's box}''

'''COACH Z:''' Me too!

''{Coach Z disappears}''

''{A doorbell sounds. Senor Cardgage rises into view accompanied by traffic sounds. He's facing away from Marzipan and Homestar.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Hello, Chi Minh?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Hello, Mr. Senor! Happy Decemberween!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the three of them.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Is this a frank, call?

'''MARZIPAN:''' No, no, over here. ''{Cardgage turns around.}'' We brought you some food for the holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah. We came down off of our high horse to spread around some Decemberween cheer.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Thank you, Hot Pooey. ''{Homestar looks mad. Zip pan to a close-up of the bush.}'' Do you care to coincide?

''{Close-up of Homestar and Marzipan}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, did that guy just call me "Hot Pooey"? And invite me inside that bush?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{embarrassed}'' Maybe?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's it, I'm going back to your house. Later on, we'll conspire.

''{Cut back to a wider shot. Homestar walks off screen left. Cardgage is now shaking.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, you poor wretch. What's the matter?

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, not much... I'm just... dying.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Gasp!

''{A red title card with a holly border slides in from screen right. Words appear as the singers sing them.}''

'''SINGERS:''' A Decemberween Mackerel. (The name of this cartoon.)

''{Crossfade to Homestar wearing a mistletoe sweater and a red bow laying on Marzipan's couch, the camera slowing trucking back to reveal his entire body.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Marzipan! Is that you? I'm wearing a sweater made out of mistletoe! A what feels like a colony of venomous bugs!

''{Cut to a wider shot. Cardgage enters screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah! You!

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{sing-song}'' Hot pooey.

''{Marzipan follows screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan! What's the big idea of bringing this guy home? ''{Cut to close-up to Homestar}'' I was about to give you your December make out present. ''{Homestar winks and clicks with his mouth.}''

''{Cut back to previous shot.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' This is serious, Homestar. Senor Cardgage is dying! ''{Cardgage nods}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, cool. We'll just make out after. What do you give him, five minutes? No minutes? ''{Homestar steps towards Marzipan.}'' No minutes?

''{Close up of Marzipan. She's angry. }''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Homestar, I don't have time to trick you into making out with a mop again this year. ''{Her expression clears}'' Hmm, if we cram him full of enough holiday cheer, maybe he can squeeze out a Decemberween miracle!

''{Cut to medium shot of all three}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, I love cramming holiday cheer. I'll go get my ''{pulls from off screen}'' tinsel wrapped cram rod!

''{Beat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Okay, I'm back.

''{Push wipe up red card reading "Holiday Cheer Cramlist" "Caroling"}''

''{Push wipe up to reveal Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage outside singing at sunset around a bathtub with chains around it. Homestar is waving his cram rod and Marzipan is holding a candle.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}'' Coach Z has been drinking non specific mouthwash-ween.

''{A arm with papers shoots in from screen left.}''

'''MAN:''' I need you to sign here.

''{Homestar pushes the papers away with his cram rod.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{echoey}'' Oh, thanks guys. That warms my heart.

''{Cut to a shot inside of the tub. Strong Sad's face is seen in the bottom right of the frame and a chain around his body. Homestar is looking through the slats above.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Not enough to stave off hypothermia, of course. But a month long ''{cut back to outside. Cardgage is groaning and swaying}'' coma isn't something I haven't dealt with before.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' My coma's toast....

'''MARZIPAN:''' Time to go!

''{The Marzipan and Cardgage dash off screen right, while Homestar follows.}''

''{Cut to red card as before. Caroling is crossed out and "Greeting Card" is in the center. A musical sting plays.}''

''{Push wipe down to reveal Pom Pom with a camera on a tripod and lighting umbrellas behind him. He is gesturing with an arm.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot reveals Homestar in his mistletoe sweater, Marzipan with lights in her ponytail and Cardgage wearing a olive green cardigan. Homestar moves slightly to the right in the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm up.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Marzipan moves back slightly.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm screen left.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage moves slightly to the right.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm and bubbles for a long time.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage continues to move to the right until his is halfway out of the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm to tell Cardgage to stop.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{He picks up Gooblies and squeezes him. There is a white flash and cuts to a card with "Seasoned Greetings", with Homestar and Marzipan, and Cargage halfway out of the frame.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, now we need to make the corresponding ''{cut to a wider shot, showing the card in the lower left, while Marzipan is wearing half-moon glasses.}'' newsletter to brag about our family. ''{Marzipan clicks the pen and takes a deep breath. As she starts to write, the words appear behind her.}'' This year was so great! Our family is so great! I can't believe Homestar has started fourth grade! How time flies. It's so great! Senor Cardgage won first place in sports and was selected to be terminally ill! I'm in book club and PTA carpool and redoing the backsplash. It's so great! Warm wishes, The Marzipan-Homestar-Cardgages. ''{Marzipan finishes by writing on the table}''

''{Cut to Homestar sitting on the arm of the couch with his cram stick. Cardgage is lying on the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Our family is, literately and figuratively, so great! ''{Cardgage groans}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{off-screen}'' Moving on!

''{Push wipe left red title card. Caroling and Greeting Card are now crossed out with "Waiting In Line" in the center.}''

''{Push wipe left to reveal Bubs' Concession Stand. A silhouette of Bubs can be seen waving his arms. A line of people can be seen, ending with Marzipan and Cardgage. Camera slowly pans and reveal Homestar in the foreground.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{faintly}'' I've got a deal on everything. I've got all sorts of stuff!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Say, Bubs. ''{Camera pans to reveal Bubs standing next to Homestar. Homestar pokes him with the cram rod.}'' What's this line for?

'''BUBS:''' The holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Perfect! How long is it?

'''BUBS:''' Three miles or eighteen days. ''{Pull back to reveal Cardgage standing behind them. He begins to groan.}'' Whichever comes first.

''{Cardgage turns around groaning. Bubs looks annoyed.}''

''{Marzipan sticks her head in screen right.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, that's enough. Let's move Preoow! ''{She grabs Cardgage and dashes off screen right. Homestar is stunned.}''

''{Push wipe right red title card as before. Caroling, Greeting Card and Waiting In Line are all crossed off, with "Tree Lighting" now in the center.}''

''{Push wipe right to Coach Z standing next to Homestar. Homestar is waving his cram rod.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Nothing crams Decemberween cheer like the annual lighting ''{Cut to wider shot of Coach Z, Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage standing around the telephone pole. Yellow lights are strung from the pole, and an orange extension cord is in the foreground. Cardgage sways.}'' the lights attached to a pole in a tree shaped fashion.

''{Cut back to the shot of Coach Z and Homestar. Homestar has picked up the extension cord.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' If this doesn't cure him, nothing will!

'''COACH Z:''' Don't I know it! Last year, these lights cured me of chronic athlete's tongue and the year before that, it was rug rush, and then hot pooey—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Excuse me, your disgusting. Barf.

''{Homestar throws up and turns away. Coach Z looks disappointed. Homestar than plugs in the extension cord.}''

''{Cut to a wider shot. The lights turn on.}''

'''COACH Z & MARZIPAN:''' Oh!

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage. Cardgage is disheveled and his glasses are falling off.}'''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh wow, if it was pitch black and I squinted and I was a few miles away, ''{cut to a wide silhouette of all standing around the tree}'' this would sort of look like a tree almost! ''{Cut back to previous shot.}'' Isn't it wonderous, Senor? A real miracle inducing spectacle, isn't it?

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{moans}'' Oh, my Toyota crashed it all... ''{Cardgage falls down}''

''{Cut to wider shot with Cardgage in the snow.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, no!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, yes!

''{Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat come in from the bottom of the frame. Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Strong Bad, with Strong Mad in a sweater and The Cheat green hat behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's going on here?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Help, quick! I think Senor Cardgage is dying!

'''STRONG BAD:''' What makes you think that?

''{Cut to close up of Marzipan}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' He told me so, when I brought him a hot covered dish to brighten his dismal life.

''{Cut back to the medium shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''He'' told you. ''{Close up of Strong Bad}'' You decided to take at face value something a guy who lives in a bush and talks to melty candy bars said.

''{Cut back to medium shot}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Maybe?

'''STRONG BAD:''' And, not fifteen minutes ago told me I ''{cut to the Basement of the Brothers Strong. Strong Bad is standing on the arm of the orange couch and Cardgage is standing next to it. Marzipan's dish is sitting on the couch.}'' might paste away if I Dinty Moore. ''{Strong Bad begins to leap on the dish.}''

''{Cut back to The Field. Cardgage stirs and holds up a can that says "Dented")''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' You rally might, Pez dispenser. ''{He collapses}''

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Besides, everyone knows the way to save Senor Cardgage is to cut a bunch of motor sports magazines in half and pour gravy on a defibrillator. A-like so.

''{Cut Strong Mad with magazines that read "Modasports. The 20[covered] Tomatocyle!!!! Daaaang!" The Cheat is standing next to a defibrillator and a gravy boat. Strong Mad grunts and pulls the magazines apart. The Cheat then takes the gravy boat and pours the gravy on the defibrillator. Music plays and the silhouette of Cardgage can be seen rising.}''

''{Cut to a shot of Cardgage with rays behind him, standing tall.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, my grabness, grabness. It really is—

''{Cut to a shot of all standing around the tree. Strong Sad is still in his tub, next to The King of Town and Strong Mad. The Poopsmith is standing behind Bubs screen left.}''

'''ALL:''' A Decemberween mackerel!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And nobody's dying.

''{Cut to an emaciated Homsar lying in the snow}''

'''HOMSAR:''' Help! I'm your guest door neighbor. Puff. Cough. Tough.

''{Red card with End appears}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Clicking on the E on "End" at the end of the toon will show a quick scene of Homestar Runner making out with "Marzipan".

''(The door of Marzipan's closet is shown, with some mistletoe leaves scattered outside it. Homestar's voice comes from inside the closet)''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh...Oh, I must say...Oh, twice...Marzipan, it's so romantic the way you lured me into this closet! ''(Marzipan is seen walking by the closet)'' ...And the way your wet stringy face tastes like seven kitchen floors! ''(Homestar coughs)'' ...Cockroach.

*Clicking on the D on "End" at the end of the toon will show a new product from the makers of "Hot Jones".

''(A mug of Hot Jones is shown)''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' From the makers of Hot Jones comes Hot Pooey, our newest holiday sensation! ''(The mug is replaced by a different mug, the contents of which are censored)'' Hot Pooey! Oh dear God...what have we done?

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*A DVR is a [[Wikipedia:Digital video recorder|digital video recorder]].
*To come down off your high horse is to stop thinking less of other people.

===Trivia===
*This is only the second toon of 2010.
*On the homepage, when "new holiday toon!" is moused over, it words change to "for real!"
*This episode is the first to shown in a new, higher resolution.

===Remarks===
[[File:ADecemberweenMiracle.png|thumb|A Decemberween Miracle]]
[[File:HotPooeyUncensored.png|thumb|Ohh, there's two of them!]]
*Much like [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], this cartoon appears to be recorded in higher quality sound than usual.
*For four frames, while the title is coming to the foreground, it reads "A Decemberween Miracle".
*During the caroling, the candle Marzipan is holding is the same as in the email [[love poems]].
*Hot Pooey, beneath its censored bar, is identical to [[Hot Jones]].

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad is [[Homestar Presents: Presents|locked in a bathtub]].
*This is another instance of [[making out]], [[death]], and [[spoken sound effects]].
*Homestar says "Oh, [[Twice]]" in one of the easter eggs.
*Coach Z pops up wearing a [[Blubb-O's]] box.
*The silhouettes of [[Homeschool Winner]], [[Rafferdy]], [[Preshy]], [[Champeen]], [[The Hurricane]] and three [[Unguraits]] (standing on each others' heads) appear in line for Bubs' Concession Stand.
*The last line of Marzipan and Homestar's carol, "Coach Z's been drinking nonspecific mouthwash," is a reference to the song "O Decemberween" at the end of [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. The original line was "Coach Z's been drinking Listerine."
*Senor Cardgage appears from [[hammerspace]], accompanied by the traffic noise first heard in [[hremail3184]].
*Pom Pom picks up [[Gooblies]] when taking the picture.
*Homestar saying "That is literally, and figuratively, so great" is a refrence to [[Jibblies 2]].
* The [[Minor Foods#Tomatocyle|tomatocycle]] previous showed up in [[Where U Goin' 2?]]
* Homestar [[Puking|pukes]] when Coach Z tells him about his illnesses.

===Real World References===
*Homestar's quote, "Later on, we'll conspire," is from the Christmas song [[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|"Winter Wonderland"]].
*[[Wikipedia:Hormel|Dinty Moore]] is a brand of canned [[stew]].
*"Hello, Chi Minh" is a play on [[Wikipedia:Ho Chi Minh|Ho Chi Minh]].
*Cardgage calls Strong Bad "[[Wikipedia:Pez|Pez dispenser]]."

== External Links ==
{{extlinks|xmas10|16628}}

A Decemberween Mackerel

2010-12-15T03:49:00Z

Nerd42: looks better as a bolded item than a section

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|xmas10|Xeriouxly Forxe|Homestarloween Party}}
[[File:A Decemberween Mackerel opening.png|thumb|At Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.]]

Senor Cardgage says he's dying so Marzipan tries to stuff him with Decemberween spirit to save him.'

'''Cast:''' {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Strong Mad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Homsar}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' December 14, 2010

'''Running Time:''' 6:05

'''Page Title:''' We Come Down Off Our High Horse!

'''FeedBurner Summary:''' Surprise! Like an errant reindeer that's come loose from the sleigh, hurtling towards the earth at breakneck speed, bursting into flames, and impact cratering the crap out of your front yard...It's a Decemberween cartoon! Marzipan takes it upon herself to try and improve Senor Cardgage's dismal life. Man! Years go by fast, huh?! Cram that holiday cheer! Cram it! [http://feeds.feedburner.com/HomestarRunner]

== Transcript ==
''{Music plays. A silhouette of Homestar and Marzipan can be seen through the falling snow. Lines representing the wind curl by.}''

''{Cut to Marzipan with earmuffs and scarf holding a dish and Homestar in his brown hat walking through The Field through the snow. Homestar looks distressed.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzi-pan! Explain to me why we're slogging through this blizzard again? I don't think I can slog much further!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the two}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' I told you, at Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And, you think bringing him bean sprouts is, ahem, helping?

''{Pull back to a wider shot. Marzipan looks angrily at Homestar.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Be quite and keep slogging. We're almost there.

''{A bush comes into view.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, man! This guy? ''{They stop walking}'' When you said less fortunate, I thought you just meant Coach Z.

''{Coach Z pops up in the foreground from under a snow drift wearing a Blubb-O's box}''

'''COACH Z:''' Me too!

''{Coach Z disappears}''

''{A doorbell sounds. Senor Cardgage rises into view accompanied by traffic sounds. He's facing away from Marzipan and Homestar.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Hello, Chi Minh?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Hello, Mr. Senor! Happy Decemberween!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the three of them.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Is this a frank, call?

'''MARZIPAN:''' No, no, over here. ''{Cardgage turns around.}'' We brought you some food for the holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah. We came down off of our high horse to spread around some Decemberween cheer.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Thank you, Hot Pooey. ''{Homestar looks mad. Zip pan to a close-up of the bush.}'' Do you care to coincide?

''{Close-up of Homestar and Marzipan}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, did that guy just call me "Hot Pooey"? And invite me inside that bush?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{embarrassed}'' Maybe?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's it, I'm going back to your house. Later on, we'll conspire.

''{Cut back to a wider shot. Homestar walks off screen left. Cardgage is now shaking.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, you poor wretch. What's the matter?

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, not much... I'm just... dying.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Gasp!

''{A red title card with a holly border slides in from screen right. Words appear as the singers sing them.}''

'''SINGERS:''' A Decemberween Mackerel. (The name of this cartoon.)

''{Crossfade to Homestar wearing a mistletoe sweater and a red bow laying on Marzipan's couch, the camera slowing trucking back to reveal his entire body.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Marzipan! Is that you? I'm wearing a sweater made out of mistletoe! A what feels like a colony of venomous bugs!

''{Cut to a wider shot. Cardgage enters screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah! You!

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{sing-song}'' Hot pooey.

''{Marzipan follows screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan! What's the big idea of bringing this guy home? ''{Cut to close-up to Homestar}'' I was about to give you your December make out present. ''{Homestar winks and clicks with his mouth.}''

''{Cut back to previous shot.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' This is serious, Homestar. Senor Cardgage is dying! ''{Cardgage nods}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, cool. We'll just make out after. What do you give him, five minutes? No minutes? ''{Homestar steps towards Marzipan.}'' No minutes?

''{Close up of Marzipan. She's angry. }''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Homestar, I don't have time to trick you into making out with a mop again this year. ''{Her expression clears}'' Hmm, if we cram him full of enough holiday cheer, maybe he can squeeze out a Decemberween miracle!

''{Cut to medium shot of all three}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, I love cramming holiday cheer. I'll go get my ''{pulls from off screen}'' tinsel wrapped cram rod!

''{Beat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Okay, I'm back.

''{Push wipe up red card reading "Holiday Cheer Cramlist" "Caroling"}''

''{Push wipe up to reveal Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage outside singing at sunset around a bathtub with chains around it. Homestar is waving his cram rod and Marzipan is holding a candle.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}'' Coach Z has been drinking non specific mouthwash-ween.

''{A arm with papers shoots in from screen left.}''

'''MAN:''' I need you to sign here.

''{Homestar pushes the papers away with his cram rod.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{echoey}'' Oh, thanks guys. That warms my heart.

''{Cut to a shot inside of the tub. Strong Sad's face is seen in the bottom right of the frame and a chain around his body. Homestar is looking through the slats above.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Not enough to stave off hypothermia, of course. But a month long ''{cut back to outside. Cardgage is groaning and swaying}'' coma isn't something I haven't dealt with before.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' My coma's toast....

'''MARZIPAN:''' Time to go!

''{The Marzipan and Cardgage dash off screen right, while Homestar follows.}''

''{Cut to red card as before. Caroling is crossed out and "Greeting Card" is in the center. A musical sting plays.}''

''{Push wipe down to reveal Pom Pom with a camera on a tripod and lighting umbrellas behind him. He is gesturing with an arm.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot reveals Homestar in his mistletoe sweater, Marzipan with lights in her ponytail and Cardgage wearing a olive green cardigan. Homestar moves slightly to the right in the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm up.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Marzipan moves back slightly.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm screen left.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage moves slightly to the right.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm and bubbles for a long time.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage continues to move to the right until his is halfway out of the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm to tell Cardgage to stop.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{He picks up Gooblies and squeezes him. There is a white flash and cuts to a card with "Seasoned Greetings", with Homestar and Marzipan, and Cargage halfway out of the frame.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, now we need to make the corresponding ''{cut to a wider shot, showing the card in the lower left, while Marzipan is wearing half-moon glasses.}'' newsletter to brag about our family. ''{Marzipan clicks the pen and takes a deep breath. As she starts to write, the words appear behind her.}'' This year was so great! Our family is so great! I can't believe Homestar has started fourth grade! How time flies. It's so great! Senor Cardgage won first place in sports and was selected to be terminally ill! I'm in book club and PTA carpool and redoing the backsplash. It's so great! Warm wishes, The Marzipan-Homestar-Cardgages. ''{Marzipan finishes by writing on the table}''

''{Cut to Homestar sitting on the arm of the couch with his cram stick. Cardgage is lying on the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Our family is, literately and figuratively, so great! ''{Cardgage groans}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{off-screen}'' Moving on!

''{Push wipe left red title card. Caroling and Greeting Card are now crossed out with "Waiting In Line" in the center.}''

''{Push wipe left to reveal Bubs' Concession Stand. A silhouette of Bubs can be seen waving his arms. A line of people can be seen, ending with Marzipan and Cardgage. Camera slowly pans and reveal Homestar in the foreground.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{faintly}'' I've got a deal on everything. I've got all sorts of stuff!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Say, Bubs. ''{Camera pans to reveal Bubs standing next to Homestar. Homestar pokes him with the cram rod.}'' What's this line for?

'''BUBS:''' The holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Perfect! How long is it?

'''BUBS:''' Three miles or eighteen days. ''{Pull back to reveal Cardgage standing behind them. He begins to groan.}'' Whichever comes first.

''{Cardgage turns around groaning. Bubs looks annoyed.}''

''{Marzipan sticks her head in screen right.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, that's enough. Let's move Preoow! ''{She grabs Cardgage and dashes off screen right. Homestar is stunned.}''

''{Push wipe right red title card as before. Caroling, Greeting Card and Waiting In Line are all crossed off, with "Tree Lighting" now in the center.}''

''{Push wipe right to Coach Z standing next to Homestar. Homestar is waving his cram rod.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Nothing crams Decemberween cheer like the annual lighting ''{Cut to wider shot of Coach Z, Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage standing around the telephone pole. Yellow lights are strung from the pole, and an orange extension cord is in the foreground. Cardgage sways.}'' the lights attached to a pole in a tree shaped fashion.

''{Cut back to the shot of Coach Z and Homestar. Homestar has picked up the extension cord.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' If this doesn't cure him, nothing will!

'''COACH Z:''' Don't I know it! Last year, these lights cured me of chronic athlete's tongue and the year before that, it was rug rush, and then hot pooey—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Excuse me, your disgusting. Barf.

''{Homestar throws up and turns away. Coach Z looks disappointed. Homestar than plugs in the extension cord.}''

''{Cut to a wider shot. The lights turn on.}''

'''COACH Z & MARZIPAN:''' Oh!

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage. Cardgage is disheveled and his glasses are falling off.}'''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh wow, if it was pitch black and I squinted and I was a few miles away, ''{cut to a wide silhouette of all standing around the tree}'' this would sort of look like a tree almost! ''{Cut back to previous shot.}'' Isn't it wonderous, Senor? A real miracle inducing spectacle, isn't it?

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{moans}'' Oh, my Toyota crashed it all... ''{Cardgage falls down}''

''{Cut to wider shot with Cardgage in the snow.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, no!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, yes!

''{Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat come in from the bottom of the frame. Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Strong Bad, with Strong Mad in a sweater and The Cheat green hat behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's going on here?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Help, quick! I think Senor Cardgage is dying!

'''STRONG BAD:''' What makes you think that?

''{Cut to close up of Marzipan}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' He told me so, when I brought him a hot covered dish to brighten his dismal life.

''{Cut back to the medium shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''He'' told you. ''{Close up of Strong Bad}'' You decided to take at face value something a guy who lives in a bush and talks to melty candy bars said.

''{Cut back to medium shot}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Maybe?

'''STRONG BAD:''' And, not fifteen minutes ago told me I ''{cut to the Basement of the Brothers Strong. Strong Bad is standing on the arm of the orange couch and Cardgage is standing next to it. Marzipan's dish is sitting on the couch.}'' might paste away if I Dinty Moore. ''{Strong Bad begins to leap on the dish.}''

''{Cut back to The Field. Cardgage stirs and holds up a can that says "Dented")''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' You rally might, Pez dispenser. ''{He collapses}''

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Besides, everyone knows the way to save Senor Cardgage is to cut a bunch of motor sports magazines in half and pour gravy on a defibrillator. A-like so.

''{Cut Strong Mad with magazines that read "Modasports. The 20[covered] Tomatocyle!!!! Daaaang!" The Cheat is standing next to a defibrillator and a gravy boat. Strong Mad grunts and pulls the magazines apart. The Cheat then takes the gravy boat and pours the gravy on the defibrillator. Music plays and the silhouette of Cardgage can be seen rising.}''

''{Cut to a shot of Cardgage with rays behind him, standing tall.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, my grabness, grabness. It really is—

''{Cut to a shot of all standing around the tree. Strong Sad is still in his tub, next to The King of Town and Strong Mad. The Poopsmith is standing behind Bubs screen left.}''

'''ALL:''' A Decemberween mackerel!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And nobody's dying.

''{Cut to an emaciated Homsar lying in the snow}''

'''HOMSAR:''' Help! I'm your guest door neighbor. Puff. Cough. Tough.

''{Red card with End appears}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Clicking on the E on "End" at the end of the toon will show a quick scene of Homestar Runner making out with "Marzipan".

''(The door of Marzipan's closet is shown, with some mistletoe leaves scattered outside it. Homestar's voice comes from inside the closet)''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh...Oh, I must say...Oh, twice...Marzipan, it's so romantic the way you lured me into this closet! ''(Marzipan is seen walking by the closet)'' ...And the way your wet stringy face tastes like seven kitchen floors! ''(Homestar coughs)'' ...Cockroach.

*Clicking on the D on "End" at the end of the toon will show a new product from the makers of "Hot Jones".

''(A mug of Hot Jones is shown)''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' From the makers of Hot Jones comes Hot Pooey, our newest holiday sensation! ''(The mug is replaced by a different mug, the contents of which are censored)'' Hot Pooey! Oh dear God...what have we done?

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*A DVR is a [[Wikipedia:Digital video recorder|digital video recorder]].
*To come down off your high horse is to stop thinking less of other people.

===Trivia===
*This is only the second toon of 2010.
*On the homepage, when "new holiday toon!" is moused over, it words change to "for real!"
*This episode is the first to shown on full screen.

===Remarks===
[[File:ADecemberweenMiracle.png|thumb|A Decemberween Miracle]]
[[File:HotPooeyUncensored.png|thumb|Ohh, there's two of them!]]
*Much like [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], this cartoon appears to be recorded in higher quality sound than usual.
*For four frames, while the title is coming to the foreground, it reads "A Decemberween Miracle".
*During the caroling, the candle Marzipan is holding is the same as in the email [[love poems]].
*Hot Pooey, beneath its censored bar, is identical to [[Hot Jones]].

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad is [[Homestar Presents: Presents|locked in a bathtub]].
*This is another instance of [[making out]], [[death]], and [[spoken sound effects]].
*Homestar says "Oh, [[Twice]]" in one of the easter eggs.
*Coach Z pops up wearing a [[Blubb-O's]] box.
*The silhouettes of [[Homeschool Winner]], [[Rafferdy]], [[Preshy]], [[Champeen]], [[The Hurricane]] and three [[Unguraits]] (standing on each others' heads) appear in line for Bubs' Concession Stand.
*The last line of Marzipan and Homestar's carol, "Coach Z's been drinking nonspecific mouthwash," is a reference to the song "O Decemberween" at the end of [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. The original line was "Coach Z's been drinking Listerine."
*Senor Cardgage appears from [[hammerspace]], accompanied by the traffic noise first heard in [[hremail3184]].
*Pom Pom picks up [[Gooblies]] when taking the picture.
*Homestar saying "That is literally, and figuratively, so great" is a refrence to [[Jibblies 2]].
* The [[Minor Foods#Tomatocyle|tomatocycle]] previous showed up in [[Where U Goin' 2?]]
* Homestar [[Puking|pukes]] when Coach Z tells him about his illnesses.

===Real World References===
*Homestar's quote, "Later on, we'll conspire," is from the Christmas song [[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|"Winter Wonderland"]].

== External Links ==
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A Decemberween Mackerel

2010-12-15T03:48:00Z

Nerd42: adding FeedBurner summary

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|xmas10|Xeriouxly Forxe|Homestarloween Party}}
[[File:A Decemberween Mackerel opening.png|thumb|At Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.]]

Senor Cardgage says he's dying so Marzipan tries to stuff him with Decemberween spirit to save him.'

'''Cast:''' {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Senor Cardgage}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Strong Mad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Homsar}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]]

'''Date:''' December 14, 2010

'''Running Time:''' 6:05

'''Page Title:''' We Come Down Off Our High Horse!

== Feedburner summary ==
Surprise! Like an errant reindeer that's come loose from the sleigh, hurtling towards the earth at breakneck speed, bursting into flames, and impact cratering the crap out of your front yard...It's a Decemberween cartoon! Marzipan takes it upon herself to try and improve Senor Cardgage's dismal life. Man! Years go by fast, huh?! Cram that holiday cheer! Cram it! [http://feeds.feedburner.com/HomestarRunner]

== Transcript ==
''{Music plays. A silhouette of Homestar and Marzipan can be seen through the falling snow. Lines representing the wind curl by.}''

''{Cut to Marzipan with earmuffs and scarf holding a dish and Homestar in his brown hat walking through The Field through the snow. Homestar looks distressed.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzi-pan! Explain to me why we're slogging through this blizzard again? I don't think I can slog much further!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the two}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' I told you, at Decemberween time, it's our duty as people with more than one DVR to help those much, much, much, much, way very, very, very much, really smelly, a lot much less fortunate than us.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And, you think bringing him bean sprouts is, ahem, helping?

''{Pull back to a wider shot. Marzipan looks angrily at Homestar.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Be quite and keep slogging. We're almost there.

''{A bush comes into view.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, man! This guy? ''{They stop walking}'' When you said less fortunate, I thought you just meant Coach Z.

''{Coach Z pops up in the foreground from under a snow drift wearing a Blubb-O's box}''

'''COACH Z:''' Me too!

''{Coach Z disappears}''

''{A doorbell sounds. Senor Cardgage rises into view accompanied by traffic sounds. He's facing away from Marzipan and Homestar.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Hello, Chi Minh?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Hello, Mr. Senor! Happy Decemberween!

''{Cut to a tighter shot of the three of them.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Is this a frank, call?

'''MARZIPAN:''' No, no, over here. ''{Cardgage turns around.}'' We brought you some food for the holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah. We came down off of our high horse to spread around some Decemberween cheer.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Thank you, Hot Pooey. ''{Homestar looks mad. Zip pan to a close-up of the bush.}'' Do you care to coincide?

''{Close-up of Homestar and Marzipan}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, did that guy just call me "Hot Pooey"? And invite me inside that bush?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{embarrassed}'' Maybe?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's it, I'm going back to your house. Later on, we'll conspire.

''{Cut back to a wider shot. Homestar walks off screen left. Cardgage is now shaking.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, you poor wretch. What's the matter?

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, not much... I'm just... dying.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Gasp!

''{A red title card with a holly border slides in from screen right. Words appear as the singers sing them.}''

'''SINGERS:''' A Decemberween Mackerel. (The name of this cartoon.)

''{Crossfade to Homestar wearing a mistletoe sweater and a red bow laying on Marzipan's couch, the camera slowing trucking back to reveal his entire body.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Marzipan! Is that you? I'm wearing a sweater made out of mistletoe! A what feels like a colony of venomous bugs!

''{Cut to a wider shot. Cardgage enters screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah! You!

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{sing-song}'' Hot pooey.

''{Marzipan follows screen right.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan! What's the big idea of bringing this guy home? ''{Cut to close-up to Homestar}'' I was about to give you your December make out present. ''{Homestar winks and clicks with his mouth.}''

''{Cut back to previous shot.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' This is serious, Homestar. Senor Cardgage is dying! ''{Cardgage nods}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, cool. We'll just make out after. What do you give him, five minutes? No minutes? ''{Homestar steps towards Marzipan.}'' No minutes?

''{Close up of Marzipan. She's angry. }''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Homestar, I don't have time to trick you into making out with a mop again this year. ''{Her expression clears}'' Hmm, if we cram him full of enough holiday cheer, maybe he can squeeze out a Decemberween miracle!

''{Cut to medium shot of all three}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, I love cramming holiday cheer. I'll go get my ''{pulls from off screen}'' tinsel wrapped cram rod!

''{Beat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Okay, I'm back.

''{Push wipe up red card reading "Holiday Cheer Cramlist" "Caroling"}''

''{Push wipe up to reveal Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage outside singing at sunset around a bathtub with chains around it. Homestar is waving his cram rod and Marzipan is holding a candle.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER & MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}'' Coach Z has been drinking non specific mouthwash-ween.

''{A arm with papers shoots in from screen left.}''

'''MAN:''' I need you to sign here.

''{Homestar pushes the papers away with his cram rod.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{echoey}'' Oh, thanks guys. That warms my heart.

''{Cut to a shot inside of the tub. Strong Sad's face is seen in the bottom right of the frame and a chain around his body. Homestar is looking through the slats above.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Not enough to stave off hypothermia, of course. But a month long ''{cut back to outside. Cardgage is groaning and swaying}'' coma isn't something I haven't dealt with before.

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' My coma's toast....

'''MARZIPAN:''' Time to go!

''{The Marzipan and Cardgage dash off screen right, while Homestar follows.}''

''{Cut to red card as before. Caroling is crossed out and "Greeting Card" is in the center. A musical sting plays.}''

''{Push wipe down to reveal Pom Pom with a camera on a tripod and lighting umbrellas behind him. He is gesturing with an arm.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot reveals Homestar in his mistletoe sweater, Marzipan with lights in her ponytail and Cardgage wearing a olive green cardigan. Homestar moves slightly to the right in the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm up.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Marzipan moves back slightly.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm screen left.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage moves slightly to the right.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm and bubbles for a long time.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{Reverse shot. Cardgage continues to move to the right until his is halfway out of the frame.}''

''{Reverse shot. Pom Pom moves his arm to tell Cardgage to stop.}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{bubbling noises}''

''{He picks up Gooblies and squeezes him. There is a white flash and cuts to a card with "Seasoned Greetings", with Homestar and Marzipan, and Cargage halfway out of the frame.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, now we need to make the corresponding ''{cut to a wider shot, showing the card in the lower left, while Marzipan is wearing half-moon glasses.}'' newsletter to brag about our family. ''{Marzipan clicks the pen and takes a deep breath. As she starts to write, the words appear behind her.}'' This year was so great! Our family is so great! I can't believe Homestar has started fourth grade! How time flies. It's so great! Senor Cardgage won first place in sports and was selected to be terminally ill! I'm in book club and PTA carpool and redoing the backsplash. It's so great! Warm wishes, The Marzipan-Homestar-Cardgages. ''{Marzipan finishes by writing on the table}''

''{Cut to Homestar sitting on the arm of the couch with his cram stick. Cardgage is lying on the couch.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Our family is, literately and figuratively, so great! ''{Cardgage groans}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{off-screen}'' Moving on!

''{Push wipe left red title card. Caroling and Greeting Card are now crossed out with "Waiting In Line" in the center.}''

''{Push wipe left to reveal Bubs' Concession Stand. A silhouette of Bubs can be seen waving his arms. A line of people can be seen, ending with Marzipan and Cardgage. Camera slowly pans and reveal Homestar in the foreground.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{faintly}'' I've got a deal on everything. I've got all sorts of stuff!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Say, Bubs. ''{Camera pans to reveal Bubs standing next to Homestar. Homestar pokes him with the cram rod.}'' What's this line for?

'''BUBS:''' The holidays.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Perfect! How long is it?

'''BUBS:''' Three miles or eighteen days. ''{Pull back to reveal Cardgage standing behind them. He begins to groan.}'' Whichever comes first.

''{Cardgage turns around groaning. Bubs looks annoyed.}''

''{Marzipan sticks her head in screen right.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Okay, that's enough. Let's move Preoow! ''{She grabs Cardgage and dashes off screen right. Homestar is stunned.}''

''{Push wipe right red title card as before. Caroling, Greeting Card and Waiting In Line are all crossed off, with "Tree Lighting" now in the center.}''

''{Push wipe right to Coach Z standing next to Homestar. Homestar is waving his cram rod.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Nothing crams Decemberween cheer like the annual lighting ''{Cut to wider shot of Coach Z, Homestar, Marzipan and Cardgage standing around the telephone pole. Yellow lights are strung from the pole, and an orange extension cord is in the foreground. Cardgage sways.}'' the lights attached to a pole in a tree shaped fashion.

''{Cut back to the shot of Coach Z and Homestar. Homestar has picked up the extension cord.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' If this doesn't cure him, nothing will!

'''COACH Z:''' Don't I know it! Last year, these lights cured me of chronic athlete's tongue and the year before that, it was rug rush, and then hot pooey—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Excuse me, your disgusting. Barf.

''{Homestar throws up and turns away. Coach Z looks disappointed. Homestar than plugs in the extension cord.}''

''{Cut to a wider shot. The lights turn on.}''

'''COACH Z & MARZIPAN:''' Oh!

''{Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Cardgage. Cardgage is disheveled and his glasses are falling off.}'''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh wow, if it was pitch black and I squinted and I was a few miles away, ''{cut to a wide silhouette of all standing around the tree}'' this would sort of look like a tree almost! ''{Cut back to previous shot.}'' Isn't it wonderous, Senor? A real miracle inducing spectacle, isn't it?

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{moans}'' Oh, my Toyota crashed it all... ''{Cardgage falls down}''

''{Cut to wider shot with Cardgage in the snow.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh, no!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, yes!

''{Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat come in from the bottom of the frame. Cut to medium shot of Marzipan and Strong Bad, with Strong Mad in a sweater and The Cheat green hat behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's going on here?

'''MARZIPAN:''' Help, quick! I think Senor Cardgage is dying!

'''STRONG BAD:''' What makes you think that?

''{Cut to close up of Marzipan}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' He told me so, when I brought him a hot covered dish to brighten his dismal life.

''{Cut back to the medium shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''He'' told you. ''{Close up of Strong Bad}'' You decided to take at face value something a guy who lives in a bush and talks to melty candy bars said.

''{Cut back to medium shot}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Maybe?

'''STRONG BAD:''' And, not fifteen minutes ago told me I ''{cut to the Basement of the Brothers Strong. Strong Bad is standing on the arm of the orange couch and Cardgage is standing next to it. Marzipan's dish is sitting on the couch.}'' might paste away if I Dinty Moore. ''{Strong Bad begins to leap on the dish.}''

''{Cut back to The Field. Cardgage stirs and holds up a can that says "Dented")''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' You rally might, Pez dispenser. ''{He collapses}''

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Besides, everyone knows the way to save Senor Cardgage is to cut a bunch of motor sports magazines in half and pour gravy on a defibrillator. A-like so.

''{Cut Strong Mad with magazines that read "Modasports. The 20[covered] Tomatocyle!!!! Daaaang!" The Cheat is standing next to a defibrillator and a gravy boat. Strong Mad grunts and pulls the magazines apart. The Cheat then takes the gravy boat and pours the gravy on the defibrillator. Music plays and the silhouette of Cardgage can be seen rising.}''

''{Cut to a shot of Cardgage with rays behind him, standing tall.}''

'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Oh, my grabness, grabness. It really is—

''{Cut to a shot of all standing around the tree. Strong Sad is still in his tub, next to The King of Town and Strong Mad. The Poopsmith is standing behind Bubs screen left.}''

'''ALL:''' A Decemberween mackerel!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And nobody's dying.

''{Cut to an emaciated Homsar lying in the snow}''

'''HOMSAR:''' Help! I'm your guest door neighbor. Puff. Cough. Tough.

''{Red card with End appears}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Clicking on the E on "End" at the end of the toon will show a quick scene of Homestar Runner making out with "Marzipan".

''(The door of Marzipan's closet is shown, with some mistletoe leaves scattered outside it. Homestar's voice comes from inside the closet)''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh...Oh, I must say...Oh, twice...Marzipan, it's so romantic the way you lured me into this closet! ''(Marzipan is seen walking by the closet)'' ...And the way your wet stringy face tastes like seven kitchen floors! ''(Homestar coughs)'' ...Cockroach.

*Clicking on the D on "End" at the end of the toon will show a new product from the makers of "Hot Jones".

''(A mug of Hot Jones is shown)''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' From the makers of Hot Jones comes Hot Pooey, our newest holiday sensation! ''(The mug is replaced by a different mug, the contents of which are censored)'' Hot Pooey! Oh dear God...what have we done?

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*A DVR is a [[Wikipedia:Digital video recorder|digital video recorder]].
*To come down off your high horse is to stop thinking less of other people.

===Trivia===
*This is only the second toon of 2010.
*On the homepage, when "new holiday toon!" is moused over, it words change to "for real!"
*This episode is the first to shown on full screen.

===Remarks===
[[File:ADecemberweenMiracle.png|thumb|A Decemberween Miracle]]
[[File:HotPooeyUncensored.png|thumb|Ohh, there's two of them!]]
*Much like [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], this cartoon appears to be recorded in higher quality sound than usual.
*For four frames, while the title is coming to the foreground, it reads "A Decemberween Miracle".
*During the caroling, the candle Marzipan is holding is the same as in the email [[love poems]].
*Hot Pooey, beneath its censored bar, is identical to [[Hot Jones]].

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad is [[Homestar Presents: Presents|locked in a bathtub]].
*This is another instance of [[making out]], [[death]], and [[spoken sound effects]].
*Homestar says "Oh, [[Twice]]" in one of the easter eggs.
*Coach Z pops up wearing a [[Blubb-O's]] box.
*The silhouettes of [[Homeschool Winner]], [[Rafferdy]], [[Preshy]], [[Champeen]], [[The Hurricane]] and three [[Unguraits]] (standing on each others' heads) appear in line for Bubs' Concession Stand.
*The last line of Marzipan and Homestar's carol, "Coach Z's been drinking nonspecific mouthwash," is a reference to the song "O Decemberween" at the end of [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. The original line was "Coach Z's been drinking Listerine."
*Senor Cardgage appears from [[hammerspace]], accompanied by the traffic noise first heard in [[hremail3184]].
*Pom Pom picks up [[Gooblies]] when taking the picture.
*Homestar saying "That is literally, and figuratively, so great" is a refrence to [[Jibblies 2]].
* The [[Minor Foods#Tomatocyle|tomatocycle]] previous showed up in [[Where U Goin' 2?]]
* Homestar [[Puking|pukes]] when Coach Z tells him about his illnesses.

===Real World References===
*Homestar's quote, "Later on, we'll conspire," is from the Christmas song [[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|"Winter Wonderland"]].

== External Links ==
{{extlinks|xmas10|16628}}

MixMastah 800

2010-05-15T00:31:23Z

Nerd42:

{{watchtoon|onetwomixer.html|view}}
{{clear}}
[[Image:MixMastah800.PNG|thumb|Mix your own style]]

The '''MixMastah 800''' is the music machine that you can adjust after watching [[One Two, One Two]]. In addition to playing each character's sound, you can adjust the volume and stereo output.

'''Page title:''' You ARE the Mix Mastah!

==Sounds==
===[[Bubs]]===
'''BUBS''': ''{Bubs is grinding a meat grinder}'' Ooh! Ah! A-reek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a ''{repeats}''

===[[Strong Mad]] and [[The Cheat]]===
''{Strong Mad lifts the cover off The King of Town's grill to reveal The Cheat}''

'''THE CHEAT''': ''{angry The Cheat noise}''

''{Strong Mad replaces the cover}''

'''STRONG MAD''': GAH!

''{repeats}''

===[[Homestar Runner]]===
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': One, two. One, two. One, two. One, two. ''{repeats}''

===[[Strong Sad]] and [[Coach Z]]===
''{Strong Sad and Coach Z are in the gymnasium} ''

'''STRONG SAD''': ''{pats his belly to make noise}''

''{scoreboard buzzer}''

'''COACH Z''': Atta boy!

''{repeats}''

===[[The King of Town]]===
''{The King of Town is eating from a pile of marshmallows}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN''': ''{endless eating noises}''

===[[Marzipan]]===
''{Marzipan plays a guitar riff on [[Carol]] over and over.}''

===[[Pom Pom]]===
''{Pom Pom is at [[Club Technochocolate]] continuously throwing 100 dollar bills into the air, making bouncing noises.}''

===[[The Poopsmith]]===
''{The Poopsmith continuously pats a pile of [[whatsit]] with his shovel. Each pat produces sound effects}''

===[[Homsar]] Solo===
''{Homsar stands against a starry background. Once selected, all other sounds pause until Homsar finishes.}''

'''HOMSAR''': ''{vaguely similarly to the song Strong Bad sings}'' AaAaAaA! OurAaAaA! UrAaAaAaA, Uwarwarwarwar! A-way-way-way-waa!

===[[Strong Bad]]===
*Strong Bad has three settings. The third, "Shut It!", merely turns off his sound effect in the middle of play.

====Chorus====
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Look out, world! I'm an independent girl! Rollin' around like a motorcade! Look out world! I'm an independent girl! ''{out of key}'' You can meet me down at the arcade!

====Verse====
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' I'm a woman on the prowl and I stick up for myself! The city is at night and I'm dancin! ''Dancin!''

==Fun Facts==
===Remarks===
*When the page loads, Bubs's sound is enabled by default.
*The MixMastah 800 has a better [[audio quality]] than [[One Two, One Two]], similar to the sound quality in [[An Important Rap Song]] and [[Homestar Presents: Presents]].
*Homsar's solo is in stereo and fades back and forth from the right channel to the left.
*This game originally didn't have a loading screen.
*The [[scoreboard]] in Strong Sad's and Coach Z's segment is slightly different from the usual, including a different font.
*The picture of Coach Z on the wall of the [[gymnasium]] appears red because the outlines are too thick. Only by zooming in can you see his correct green color.
*All of the small animations loop at a different speed to the music.
*Homsolo is a [[portmanteau]].
*The sound effects don't stop when Strong Bad sings off-key.
*Strong Bad's chorus is above the verse, putting them out of order.

===Goofs===
*After you click on the Homsar solo, you can click on the Strong Bad "chorus" and "verse" buttons and they will play on top of Homsar.
*Clicking on Homsar's button while it is already playing will turn off all the sound effects when he is done.
*Pressing any of the MixMastah 800's "ON" buttons will start that scene's sounds in sync with the others. However, pressing the buttons next to Strong Bad starts him singing at the beginning of the chorus or verse after a delay, so that his singing doesn't match up with the downbeats unless you're careful about exactly when you push the button.
*The MixMastah 800's tempo is approximately 105 [[Wikipedia:Tempo#Beats_per_minute|beats per minute]].

=== Glitches ===
*In the Flash file, right click and select "Loop" then "Play" twice. Assuming Bubs's sound was already playing, his voice will overlap himself, as all others turn off.
**Additionally, doing this too much will mute others when you turn them back on.

===Fixed Goofs===
[[Image:No Leg Strong Bad!.gif|thumb|Marzipan, look, this is No-Legs...]]
*Neither Homsar nor Strong Bad had moving effects.
*Strong Bad was wearing a different shower cap than in One Two, One Two. The shower cap Strong Bad was wearing was the same one Homestar wears in [[Main Page 14]].
*Pom Pom's sound effect faintly included The Poopsmith's effect in the background.
*The lines on the screens for Homsar and Strong Bad moved even when they weren't turned on, unlike all of the others.
*Strong Bad did not have legs. This was fixed by making his screen shorter.

==External Links==
* [[HR:onetwomixer.html|view the page for the "MixMastah 800"]]
* [[HR:onetwomixer.swf|view the Flash file for the "MixMastah 800"]]

[[Category:Electronics]]
[[Category:Games]]

Talk:Tentacle Skull

2010-04-02T01:33:32Z

Nerd42:

==Merge==
Shouldn't this be part of the [[Skulls]] page?-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 13:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, it should. Do you want to go put it there and see if a sysop can delete this page for you? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if all the information on this page needs to be there as well, if he's listed as a Character, then he probably deserves his own page, and in that case not all the information here needs to be on the [[Skulls]] page as well. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 15:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Maybe it can be in both places, but the Skulls page can just have a short description and a link here. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 15:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure this guy deserves his own page to begin with.-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 16:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::He is (and always has been) on the Skulls page, and there may be a valid discussion about making a merge, but I'm not sold that it's a cut and dry case. So lets put a merge teplate on this and see what others think. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 17:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::I don't think this page needs to be merged. Keep it. I don't really have a valid reason, 'cept that it "just feels right". (''Well, that was lame...''){{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 18:02, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well, I have a couple reasons to merge it: 1. usually, a thing doesn't get its own article unless it's appeared three times, but this guy hasn't. 2. A lot of more significant things don't have their own pages. 3. This guy fits neatly in with skulls.-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 18:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The most valid reason for keeping is that this is considered a Character, while Skulls is a list of appearences of skulls. - {{User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C/Sig}} 18:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But he's a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really minor character. I still say MERGE!{{unsigned|LordQuackingstick|18:12, 6 January 2007}}
::::::::::If [[Tony Stony]] gets <s>its</s> his own page, then Tentacle Skull definitely deserves his own. By the way, what other significant things lacking their own pages are you talking about? (Just asking so we make 'em some pages!){{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 18:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::We should put him in [[Pseudocharacters]] and be done with it. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::I think this should be '''merged'''. The only reason (in my opinion) that Tony Stony should keep his own page is that there's no [[Rocks]] page (please, nobody make that page!) — if there were, I'd recommend that he be merged there too. So, since we ''do'' have a page about skulls, this very minor skull that has appeared in only one toon should be merged with it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this guy is all that minor; the Tentacle Skull appears in a lot of scenes in the film and is talked about by the characters in the commentary. Plus, this page talks about how skulls relate to TMBG. Yes, we could put that info in the Skulls page too, but something just doesn't seem right about having mini-articles in running gag pages. Running gag pages should be a list of all appearances and a small description of each one, nothing more. Plus, do you not realize how awesome this little guy is? He's like my favorite part of the whole toon! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:'''Merge''' and redirect to [[skulls]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)t
::I say he should have his own page for several reasons: 1. [[Tom Servo]] (a hard-to-notice non-H*R character) has his own page, 2. he's a fairly important character in the video and is mentioned a few times, 3. there is enough info here for its own article. He should probably just be put in the misc. characters section. [[User:Enigma|Enigma]] 12:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If the Geddup noise has its own page, why shouldn't this cool little guy have one? [[User:75.87.119.195|75.87.119.195]] 03:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)zer
:The Geddup Noise has had FAR more appearances, and had a whole email dedicated to it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Even Gavin has a page, and he's a frickin' cockroach! [[User:75.87.119.195|75.87.119.195]] 03:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)da cheese
:Who has ''also'' had many more appearances, and been directly interacted with by characters. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

he should totally have his own page, because he is not just just a skull, he is a skull with ''tentacles'', which may i point out is way better. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 19:18, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

lets merge it! {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 16:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC) i have no idea how.

:This is a character. Characters merit their own pages. '''Keep'''. Yes, his interaction is limited, but he is a recognizeable, cool little guy people might want to find a page on. Tom Servo, Don Knotts, Moses Malone and others might object to denying him his own page... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::Not true Qermaq, see [[minor teen girl squad characters]], these guys don't have their own page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, but remember, they're minor characters in a comic produced within a Flash cartoon. That's a few steps removed. One can argue they have less "reality" in the scope of H*R than characters who appear with the regular, "real" characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, it could be said that [[Powered By The Cheat|PBTC]] is comparable to [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS]]: fiction within fiction. This guy only appears in PBTC-style--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Please, '''merge & delete'''- I don't really think this guy is a character. Maybe a psudeo-character. He's certainly not a major character. He doesn't even have any lines. Just because something has limbs and rides a bicycle doesn't mean you have to make a page for him. That'd be like making a page for the bug in [[Bug In Mouth Disease]]. I mean he's at least relevant to the plot. (Please don't make that page... or... actually... *checks real quick* ... ... ... ... ...you people are [[The Bug|sick]]). I personally think [[Tom Servo]], [[Don Knotts]], and [[Moses Malone]] also need their pages deleted.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

==Minor Characters==
I think we should make a [[Minor Characters]] page and put any character with only one appearance there. Who's with me? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think... that would be the longest page ever. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::Why? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::It couldn't be any longer than [[Characters|this]] page.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Actually, it would, because it would have to have more detail and description of each character. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::But it wouldn't have all of those, just the minor ones. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the real people like [[Don Knotts]], all it would need is a link to the appropriate Wikipedia article.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 00:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm with you like no otha, brotha!--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to move this conversation to a more appropriate and visible place ''before'' it gets too long. How about [[Talk:Characters]]? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

this thread was moved [[Talk:Characters#Minor Characters?|here]]

== Just a [[Powered By the Cheat]] version of [[The Wheelchair]]? ==
Isn't he? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 01:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits

2009-12-01T00:03:23Z

Nerd42: /* 1.21 jigawatts? Great Scott! */

{{featuredarticle}}

We've not imported the lyrics for this CD from the old wiki. Is this intentional? I don't think there's any other source of the lyrics online. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:46, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Nope, I think it's just laziness. Feel free to go for it. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

I'm working on doing the lyrics to all the songs now (since the previous lyrics are now gone with the old wiki), but I'm wondering how I could best put the lyrics on the page. Any thoughts? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 13:59, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

I suggest that the lyrics would go on separate pages with reciprocal links to this CD. See [[Strongbadia National Anthem]]. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:26, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Got everything except Nite Mamas and Sweet Cuppin' Cakes, as I'm having a hard time figuring out lyrics to those two. If someone else could do those, I'd be very grateful. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 18:25, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

:I copied the stuff that was on these pages in the old Wiki. I think it's good. But take a look.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:50, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

::Looks good to me. If you have access to those old pages, maybe you could check some of the lyrics I wasn't sure on in some of the songs. Or at least tell me how I could access them to doublecheck. (I know there's some lyrics I didn't get) --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:11, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Format ==

Whoever formated this page did an awesome job. --[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Page name ==

I keep considering changing the name of this page to Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits, to fit the full name of the album. After all, the DVD set is listed under strongbad_email.exe, so I don't see why this page should be confined to just "Strong Bad Sings CD." Any thoughts? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 20:47, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Amazing the things that we've overlooked for so long. I don't see any problem with renaming it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:55, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
::After having done all the moving work, I can see why nobody undertook the task before, since about a jillion pages linked using Strong Bad Sings CD. Yikes. At least now this page doesn't make me cringe every time I look at it. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 23:37, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:40, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

== worth it? ==

Is it worth it to get this cd?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! It awsom!!!!!! and it's not just old stuff it's almost all new!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:This... doesn't exactly belong on the discussion page. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

==1.21 jigawatts? Great Scott!==
Could the "70 jg" on the cd be an extension of [[Wikipedia:Giga#Pronunciation|Back to the Future's mispronunciation of Giga-]]? As in Jigabytes? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it sounds plausible to me, although I may be biased as a long-time fan of the movies (as it mentions on my userpage)... Strong Bad does kinda use '80s terms. ("Japanimation", anyone?) I rather like it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::could be 70 jugga-jigga-wuggas --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 00:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== More People ==
:I don't exactly know where to put this, so I'll put it here:
:I recently got the Strong Bad Sings CD, and I noticed that in the back of that little book thing, there's about a million minor people that don't have any referance here on the wiki. Examples:
*Nick Niespodziani
*Matt Sonnickson
*Eric Park
*Rob Peck

:Shouldn't these people, and others, have ''some'' referance here, or elsewhere on the wiki? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::Maybe, but unless we know who they are or what they did, they wouldn't be of much use. I don't like it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::We could see if there's a place on the [[Contributors]] page. "These people helped with the Strong Bad Sings CD". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:We ''do'' know what they did. It all says on the book... thing. And I like that idea Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== Mystery Files? ==

Upon entering the CD into one's PC, there are 4 files visible; the QuickTime movie (These Peoples Try To Fade Me), a readme file and a couple of other files. I don't know what they're supposed to represent, if anything. Does anyone have any idea what they're on there for? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 20:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:If you'll hang on a few minutes, I'll try it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::The Readme simply says "If it don't work, go here and download the latest player: www.quicktime.com." Aside from the .mov, the other two files are hidden files named "Desktop DB" and "Desktop DF". I don't know a lot about these [[virus|super boxes]], but a quick web search shows at least that they have something to do with the Mac OS and keeping track of files on the desktop. Why they were included on the CD I'll have to leave to someone more knowledgeable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::From what i've noticed, mac os puts these on almost any disk you put in the computer. I guess maybe TBC burned the cd on a normal mac os computer, and then sent it to a company to have it mass produced? thats my guess.--{{User:Collin/sig}} 20:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== Maybe I'm just an idiot... ==

I can't find the freaking video! Anyone have any trouble shooting tips? I'm using Windows, but it doesn't auto-play. I go to my computer, click on SUPER_SECRETS, and it just opens media player and plays the music. [[User:70.127.93.127|70.127.93.127]] 22:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno about Windows. Do you have a Mac? That's what I watched it on. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 23:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

::Your computer's set up to play the CD automatically. Try right-clicking the Super Secrets link and choose "Explore". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Thank you so feaking much! It worked! [[User:70.127.93.127|70.127.93.127]] 19:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Beats-per-minute|BPM]]s ==
[http://www.mixmeister.com/download_freestuff.html This program], applied to the songs ripped with WinAmp and with track 20 split with [http://portableapps.com/apps/music_video/audacity_portable Audacity Portable] reveals:

C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\01 - Homestar Runner - Trogdor.wav 01 - Homestar Runner - Trogdor 128.89
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\02 - Strong Bad - The System Is Down.wav 02 - Strong Bad - The System Is Down 139.85
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\03 - Strong Bad f-Ms. Partsmatter's 1st Grade Class - Strong Badia Anthem.wav 03 - Strong Bad f-Ms. Partsmatter's 1st Grade Class - Strong Badia Anthem 124.14
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\04 - Marzipan - Oh Yeah Yeah.wav 04 - Marzipan - Oh Yeah Yeah 101.44
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\05 - Limozeen - Because It's Midnite.wav 05 - Limozeen - Because It's Midnite 147.79
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\06 - The Kinda Long-Haired Band - Circles.wav 06 - The Kinda Long-Haired Band - Circles 160.93
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\07 - Strong Bad - Let's Get Started On Doing All Those Awesome Things I Suggested.wav 07 - Strong Bad - Let's Get Started On Doing All Those Awesome Things I Suggested 144.02
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\08 - Taranchula - Moving Very Slowly.wav 08 - Taranchula - Moving Very Slowly 140.36
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\09 - The Cast Of Sweet Cuppin Cakes - Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song.wav 09 - The Cast Of Sweet Cuppin Cakes - Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song 161.01
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\10 - What's-Her-Face - I Think I Have A Chance With This Guy.wav 10 - What's-Her-Face - I Think I Have A Chance With This Guy 125.02
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\11 - Strong Bad - It's Like It Was Meant To Be.wav 11 - Strong Bad - It's Like It Was Meant To Be 123.65
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\12 - Limozeen - Nite Mamas.wav 12 - Limozeen - Nite Mamas 82.91
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\13 - Marzipan f-Strong Bad - Sensitive To Bees.wav 13 - Marzipan f-Strong Bad - Sensitive To Bees 102.15
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\14 - Strong Bad - You've Got A Ugly And Stupid Butt.wav 14 - Strong Bad - You've Got A Ugly And Stupid Butt 130.97
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\15 - Coach Z - These Peoples Try To Fade Me.wav 15 - Coach Z - These Peoples Try To Fade Me 124.91
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\16 - Strong Bad - The Ladies In Town All Know My Name.wav 16 - Strong Bad - The Ladies In Town All Know My Name 146.17
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\17 - Strong Bad - The Theme From Dangeresque II- This Time It's Not Dangeresque I.wav 17 - Strong Bad - The Theme From Dangeresque II- This Time It's Not Dangeresque I 126.74
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\18 - Strong Bad - Somebody Told Me (Now I Believe Them).wav 18 - Strong Bad - Somebody Told Me (Now I Believe Them) 122.08
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\19 - Strong Bad, Strong Sad, And Strong Mad - The Cheat Is Not Dead.wav 19 - Strong Bad, Strong Sad, And Strong Mad - The Cheat Is Not Dead 153.31
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20 - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live).wav 20 - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live) 103.55
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20a - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live).wav 20a - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live) 103.53
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20b - Homestar Runner - Secret Song.wav 20b - Homestar Runner - Secret Song 107.68

--{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:Is the BPM info really relevant/necessary? I don't object to it enough to revert without a discussion, but it seems unimportant to list. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

::BPMs are helpful to DJs, and listing track times is standard practice on Wikipedia for album articles. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 22:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::That's great, and I don't argue the track times, but how many DJs are consulting the wiki to use this disc in their mixes?? I really don't see the utility of this BPM info, it merely clutters the page. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was kind of thinking of people doing remixes over at the fanstuff wiki --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:Then list it over there. In fact, some are blatantly off. "Circles" is a slower song than "i think i have a chance with this guy", clearly, but the BPM is listed as higher. Seems the computer is picking whatever note value it wants, in "Circles the eighth (NOT the beat) and in "i think i have a chance with this guy" the quarter (which does get the beat). Also, "The Cheat Is Not Dead" has two tempos, the one at the start and the one at the end. Which is it, or does this program average them (which is useless for the application you describe). I still, after a lot of thought, feel this information isn't useful, and is actually misleading. Anyone object to me stripping this info? It is listed above, anyhow. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:42, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

== Capitalization of track titles? ==
The capitalization of the track titles doesn't seem to match what's on the CD case ... I don't have time to fix it at the moment but I think the titles on here should be in the same case as on the CD case. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree. The titles are capitalized one way on the back of the cxase, another when viewing the tracks in WMP or other software. Which is the correct way? As there's no real means to solve that dilemma, "correct" capitalization (according to how it's done as a rule) has been used to make it standardized. BTW, should the video be in the track listing? It cannot be played in a CD player. I can buy Secret Song, even though it does not appear in the listing on the CD, but the video should go. It's listed lower down anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::I say, forget what the software says - there's no guarantee that TBC entered those titles in. We ''know'' that what's on the back of the CD was written by TBC. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
===Capitalization revisited===
Isn't it Let's Get Started On Doing All Those Awesome Things I Suggested, with capital letters? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 21:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. The CD's case has it in lowercase. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::Then should we change the following?

::*Trogdor to TROGDOR
::*The System Is Down to The System is down
::*Oh yeah yeah to Oh Yeah Yeah
::*Nite Mamas to NITE MAMAS
::*You've got an Ugly & Stupid Butt to You've got an Ugly & Stupid BUTT
::*The theme from Dangeresque... to The theme from DANGERESQUE II...
::*The Cheat is Not Dead to THE Cheat is NOT DEAD
::*Everybody to the Limit [Live] to EVERYBODY TO THE LIMIT (Live)

::[[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 21:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

:::Well, should we move these? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 21:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Not yet. We wouldn't have put them where they are without a reason. This needs more investigation before we move them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::WHAT INVESTIGATION??? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 22:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::There's absolutely no reason to be yelling. I'm not sure what you want me to say. Did you read my post above? When we set these pages up, we wouldn't have done so arbitrarily. When I say investigation I mean look at the wiki history and the CD itself and determine why the pages are where they are now. Only after we've had a chance to do that should we then consider moving them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Yes, but, then why is Oh yeah yeah named the way it is? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 22:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That'd be one of the things we're investigating. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::How's "investigating" coming along so far? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 23:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Dude, what's your rush? This article predates the current MediaWiki wiki, created over five years ago. There's no reason to get one's underpants tied in a knot just because we haven't resolved your question within two hours after you brought it up. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::How much investigation is needed? By the time all 20 songs' history is read, we'll all forget about why we even looked through the history. So, I say, for consistancy's sake, we either, name them all properly, with Capital Letters Like So, or by the CD case and move the ones above. I think either way Oh yeah yeah should be moved to Oh Yeah Yeah. [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 21:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Okay, it's been long enough, and no ones disagreed with me, so, I'm movin' Oh yeah yeah to Oh Yeah Yeah. [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|Email Checkin' Dan]] 20:53, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::HELLO? THIS ISSUE IS STILL UNRESOLVED! Does this mean no one cares if I move them? [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|SBE-mail Checker Dan (akka HRE-mail Checker Greg)]] 22:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

== Formatting ==

The heading hr crosses the floated table. Can this be repaired? I can't seem to make it happen. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== iTunes misreading ==

When I put this CD on my iPod i noticed something iTunes marks Trogdor as a song by Homestar Runner. is this worth putting in remarks. (I did change the name to Strong Bad though) [[User:Foogs|Mr. "UB making" Foogs.Vote now on UBs!]] 15:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Easter Eggs==
I don't think the "These peoples try to fade me" video is an easter egg. They tell you about it through the store. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}

Yeah, it's not an easter egg. It's a Special Feature.

Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

2009-12-01T00:02:08Z

Nerd42: /* Most of this page is bogus */

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out. This is basically an organizational thing. If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER. Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results. It's just a way to make things easier to find. And that's the point right? Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right. Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored. You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies. This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance . The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page! The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary. I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''. Keep this page. I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat. I made that edit. Leave it out, then... {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take the whole fact out. In addition to the "he could do laundry that doesn't consist of wearable clothes", which is totally valid, it's been established that he does ''own'' quite a few articles of clothing. Yes, he doesn't wear them often, and he says so in his journal, but that doesn't prevent him from ever doing laundry. (analogy: I don't really wear suits. But I do ''own'' a suit. If I were to say something like "Did you take my suit to the cleaners?" it wouldn't really be an inconsistency with my not generally wearing suits.) In other words, I think one should interpret the line as "I don't really wear clothes [very often]" rather than "I don't really wear clothes [ever]" because, well, he sometimes does. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. It's true. I say it can go on the page. Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing. I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon. That's the Goofs section. If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that. I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic. If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted. He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene. I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter. Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario. Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe". If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for. This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons. Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose. Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be. I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress. What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now. Thanks. That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] — It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] — Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] — After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) — Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Michael.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either. It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything? The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please. Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised. 
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument. The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted. I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad and Limozeen ==

If the inconsistency on the very bottom of the list was removed from [[concert#Remarks]], should I remove it from this article as well? I think it's suspicious enough to stay here. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it needs removed from either. I was kinda wondering about that (the inconsistency) myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think of it 'til I noticed the fun fact. It's actually a pretty interesting tidbit, and should stay here and there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it should stay only here, because strong sad could of forgot, or he might not of paid attention to the show that much, or any number of reasons like those. So we can keep it here, take it out on the page, and mention what i said here along with the remark.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Considering how pushy Strong Bad is with his opinions, I find it hard to believe that anyone what lives in the same town, let alone the same house, has never heard of Limozeen.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong Sad paid enough attention for him to complain that there was no reason for them to be in space, so he probably knew the name of the show at least. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reason Strong Sad hasn't heard of Limozeen is probably because it was ''before'' he watched that Saturday morning cartoon. In the laundry room scene in email 175, you should notice that there are no seashells on the washer and dryer knobs. And at the end of [[redesign|email 153]], the seashells are hot glued on the knobs. Obviously, the laundry room scene might have taken place ''before'' emails 126 and 153. Just my theory. [[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Here's the main flaw with your theory: as in most cartoons, any changes to the Homestar Runner universe are often temporary and are quickly reverted by the following week. Remember when Strong Bad got [[the chair]]? Cartoons are all about keeping the status quo. For all we know, Strong Bad could have taken the seashells off the knobs the following week. Or, more likely, TBC forgot/didn't bother to update it. Anyway, all this is speculative, so no water is carried by either of our arguments. All we can assume is that the emails must take place in chronological order and therefore the events that happen in 175 took place after 153. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's undies ==
I removed this fact. It seems like this page should be reserved for actual factual inconsistencies. It's not really verifiable whether Strong Bad was wearing underwear when he said it. Frankly, it always seemed to me like he was making stuff up to begin with. ("I'm all macho. I go commando! I am awesome!") It's not inconsistant, SB was just clearly lying [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Or he just didn't understand the concept of "Going Commando" when he said it. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 14:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::DAGRON misled you, StarLion. He was paraphrasing, not quoting directly. SB actually says, "But you made my underwears showing! Everybody knows I don't wear underwears!" {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Erm, I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, if that's what you mean. I was just trying to explain my reasoning.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== or maybe... ==

maybe [[carrot and kazoo hill]] and where [[pom pom]] was flipping were on different sides of [[Free Country USA]] [[User:Imdaman]]
: Doesnt work. Was one of the first things i thought of. the position of the flag relative to the fence, and the Tire, disprove this. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Needs a rewrite ==

*[[Happy Hallow-Day]] — Since Halloween night is missing, the [[Spooky Woods]] are in a less spooky state, but even though it wasn't Halloween in [[Where's the Cheat?]], the woods were still spooky.

All I can say reading this is "What? Huh? Since they were 'less spooky but still spooky,' it's a discrepancy?" It either needs to be rewritten more intelligibly, or removed.

== Potentially reconcilling a inconsistencie (or however you spell it) ==

Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon — The scene behind the fence is missing the Bear Holding a Shark that scared The Cheat in date. RECONCILLING, POTENTIALLY: The bear holdin' a shark was moved somewhere else in between the 2 Animations. [[User: Poopskin/about|Poopskin, YOUR HEAD ENGSMSPLODE.™]]
:Speculation. Without evidence this happened, we can't say where it is. Just that it's not there like it should be. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's computers ==

In regard to the difference in hard drive size of the Lappy in animal and retirement, it seems to me that Strong Bad merely upgraded it in between. He doesn't necessarily need to tell us. [[User:Thejason|Thejason]] 05:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not stated, it's speculation, which is worse than an inconstistancy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Basement... ==

The basement can clearly be walked into from the right in many toons, but not in others (including the wii game trailer) Why wasn't this listed? {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Na Na La La La ==

Should we really count Strong Bad's uses of Na Nas as inconsistent from [[bottom 10]]? He specifically says that he hates songs that pass them off as legit lyrics, and he sounds hesitant to use them in [[Trogday 08]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
: He doesn't seem hesitant to me at all. In fact, he shoehorns them in right at the end of "Machine" to get the "N". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Word-age ==

I said I'd explain on the discussion page, so here goes. The verbiage (see, I know the real word) of at least two of the inconsistencies was misleading
#Pizza competition: Strong Bad may not have ''forgotten'' about [[Bubs' Old Pizza]]. There are other possibilities: like he didn't consider it competition, for one. Or it doesn't even exist anymore. Picking one possibility over others is pure speculation speculation. Using ''neglect'' allows for all the possibilities.
#Location of Strong Bad's room: Stating that SB's room is "near" the basement is confusing, as the first floor is also "near" the basement. Apparently, the basement is considered a room in this context, so I made that clearer by stating that SB's room and the basement are "on the same floor".

If I notice them, I'll explain any other changes I make to the page along these lines. It is my policy to explain my edits, lest they be reverted because they are not understood. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 13:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inconsistencies that can be dismissed as coincidences: ==
Are they true inconsistencies?

''Email flashback — Strong Bad claims he lost count around email 51, but he began caffeine (the 91st Strong Bad Email) with "Coming in at number 91, it's, E-Maaaaaaaaaaail!" ''
Remember that the "coming in at 91" is referring to a music countdown (or something similar). The fact that the email is number 91 as well CAN be explained away as coincidence. Do we consider the fact that the coincidence is unlikely and write it off as inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 13:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Strong Sad's Lament — Strong Sad writes that he can't jump, yet he manages to jump in A Jumping Jack Contest, as well as in Experimental Film, stunt double, and boring (really). ''
How about Strong Sad likes to whine and/or exaggerate? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Halloween Fairstival — Strong Bad states that he doesn't know or care what a haiku is, but he had previously recited one in japanese cartoon. ''

He was a poet, and didn't even know it! [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email bottom 10 — Strong Bad's list includes "Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics", but Strong Bad sang "Na na na" in the intro to secret recipes does it again in Trogday 08, and sings "da doot doot" in portrait. ''
Strong Bad not following his own rules? Since when is this an inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email pizza joint — Strong Bad was shocked to learn that there was "competition" between his pizza joint, The Pizz and the Cheat's "Cheatsa Pizza", neglecting the existence of a third pizza brand, Bubs' Old Pizza. ''
He forgot? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Don't have to be a poet to write a poem. ==

About his haiku, I find it unlikely that it's a real haiku. "So cool an email. I thought you would enjoy it. Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" Who's to say the last sentence is actually part of the intro? I think he's just saying that to be funny. Also, in about half of my MANY stories I write for friends, I've ended up writing poems without knowing! I don't think it should count. It's not even a coincedence. "Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" isn't part of the haiku. He's done things like that before. Like, "Double Dear Strong Bad" and things. Just saying. [[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]] 01:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah no. This is definitely a haiku. What are the odds that Strong Bad says fragments of sentences in a flowing pattern in an email '''about Japenese Culture?!''' Anyway, I like that you're thinking, but today you are wrong. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
== Yearbook page/flashback ==

Don't we know that the flashback in email 100 is true? I have a inconsistency that relies on it being true, but someone took it down because he said that we don't know if it's true. But, Strong Bad and Homestar agree on it being true. And, even if it wasn't true, couldn't we still have this inconsistency? --Philip8o
:Strong Bad tends to make up stories (see [[History according to Strong Bad]]), and Homestar's so stupid that he agrees with them even when they're confirmed to be fake (e.g., [[original]]). Therefore, the flashback might not have happened at all. 21:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== 8-bit is enough? ==

I removed this fact,concluding that it was a goof:

The events of the game occur shortly after the gang all watches Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective. Even though the Computer Room had no calendar when Strong Bad brought the tape downstairs, there is one in 8-Bit is Enough.

But DeFender brought it back,saying all of them are goofs.We seem to make Inconsistencies a remark,and there is a calender in every other episode.Should it stay or go?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Marzi's legs ==
I'm not sure how to word this on the page, but in one toon, Marzipan says Homestar is kicking her shin, but in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] it looks like her body's skirt shaped because you can see pink flesh in the hole in her costume, but in [[Kick-A-Ball]], she apparintly has invisable legs. It's pretty weird. {{User:Coach z's cool/sig}} 17:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== What's that word again? Consistency! ==

In [[email thunder]] Strong Bad is shocked to find Homestar has his own show, despite bearing direct witness to it in [[Hremail 7]]. Is this worth noting? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Um, considering that Hremail 7 succeeded Email Thunder, it was meant to be one big joke of role-reversal, where Homestar acts like Strong Bad and Strong Bad acts like Homestar. Not really a true inconsistency, it was more intentional. [[Special:Contributions/76.249.46.108|76.249.46.108]]

::[[animal|Check out these (not even sense-making) speculations]]--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC).

== TGS Inconsistencies ==

Currently, there's an "inconsistency" listed that Cheerleader claims to not be an actual cheerleader but just one in the way she dresses and treats other girls. I don't think TGS "inconsistencies" should be listed because:
-> It's not "within the HR universe," it's in a created work within it.
-> If we do count these, then what about things like, "So and So died in Issue X but was completely unscathed in Issue X+1." It's not meant to be a consistent/coherent plot line, and such inconsistencies are hugely on purpose.

== No Smoking ==

*[[On Break]] — Strong Bad denies being a smoker despite the fact that he's been seen smoking a cigar in [[Store Thank You Message]].
Rather than edit warring, I'm bringing it up here. My reasons against this fact:
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to someone who smokes cigarettes, not cigars or pipes.
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to some who smokes habitually, rather than just once in a while. Similar to how being an alcoholic is usually referring to someone who drinks habitually, not someone who has a shot once in a while.
#Even if we accept the idea that smoking a cigar or pipe on occasion makes one "a smoker", SB lying about it or forgetting about it is not an inconsistency, (and perhaps he understands the definition of "smoker" the same way i do...)
For all these reasons, I don't think this belongs on this page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== More Hremail7 Inconsistencies ==

In [[isp|ISP]], Bubs says that Strong Bad is his lone internet customer, yet Homestar was obviously checking emails during the period that email was released. Of course, this is based on the assumption that Homestar would have the same ISP, but there is a slight chance that he doesn't. Of course, they have the same host... [[User:Sifi89|Sifi89]] 21:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Seems like a stretch though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
::Early Homestar seems to be smart enough not to get his Internet from Bubs. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 23:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

== Most of this page is bogus ==

This inconsistencies page assumes that every character has a total recall of all past events, and includes many instances when a character making a statement about the past could easily be lying or mistaken. (Especially Strong Bad) A dishonest or confused character is not a universe inconsistency. Only instances where inconsistencies are '''actually shown on screen''' should be listed, all others should be moved to a separate page for false statements. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:Disagree. Unless there's a specific reason for them to forget it, such as it being part of a joke, (which to my knowledge has never actually happened,) then it's just TBC forgetting what they've done in the past and being inconsistent. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Can't we at least differentiate between inconsistencies shown on screen and inconsistencies in character memories? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 00:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

== Refutation ==

The one about [[On Break]] has a refutation in the toon's talk page. There's seems to be agreement there that Strong Bad's smoking does not count as an inconsistency, but a Remark. I added a counterpoint to reflect this. But I'm not sure that is proper. Perhaps we should delete the original point instead. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 23:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:To paraphrase what I said in the edit summary, it can be rationalized, but the fact as is written is factual, and so should stay, imo. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.223|132.183.151.223]] 00:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Atari Dragon

2009-11-30T23:59:51Z

Nerd42:

Should we make a redirect that says Yorgle? Or should we move it to Yorgle? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:05, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I've played Adventure before. It's a fun game actually. So is Food fight.
The White Knight of Fianna 18:37, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

there are three dragon sprites. this page ought to show all three ... --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 04:56, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
:The other two weren't shown on Homestarrunner.com. They don't matter to the article. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Actually, they were, in the "Everybody to the Limit" video. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
== Rename? ==

When is he ever called "Atari Dragon" by anything in Homestar Runner-land? I say we change to "Freakin' Duck" [[Special:Contributions/76.117.14.237|76.117.14.237]] 14:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC) (aka, a logged out SBEmail Checker Dan)
:I agree. maybe we should call it Fqwhgads.... or Freakin' Duck works. i think we should think about naming it Fqwhgads, or the Fqwhgads Duck.. whatever. -Tothelimit66
::However, it's an Atari 2600 Dragon, so that is its professional name. I do find [[Freakin' Duck]] a bit more natural, though. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

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Nerd42: /* Most of this pagei s bogus */

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out. This is basically an organizational thing. If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER. Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results. It's just a way to make things easier to find. And that's the point right? Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right. Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored. You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies. This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance . The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page! The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary. I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''. Keep this page. I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat. I made that edit. Leave it out, then... {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take the whole fact out. In addition to the "he could do laundry that doesn't consist of wearable clothes", which is totally valid, it's been established that he does ''own'' quite a few articles of clothing. Yes, he doesn't wear them often, and he says so in his journal, but that doesn't prevent him from ever doing laundry. (analogy: I don't really wear suits. But I do ''own'' a suit. If I were to say something like "Did you take my suit to the cleaners?" it wouldn't really be an inconsistency with my not generally wearing suits.) In other words, I think one should interpret the line as "I don't really wear clothes [very often]" rather than "I don't really wear clothes [ever]" because, well, he sometimes does. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. It's true. I say it can go on the page. Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing. I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon. That's the Goofs section. If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that. I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic. If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted. He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene. I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter. Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario. Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe". If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for. This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons. Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose. Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be. I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress. What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now. Thanks. That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] — It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] — Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] — After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) — Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Michael.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either. It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything? The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please. Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised. 
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument. The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted. I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad and Limozeen ==

If the inconsistency on the very bottom of the list was removed from [[concert#Remarks]], should I remove it from this article as well? I think it's suspicious enough to stay here. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it needs removed from either. I was kinda wondering about that (the inconsistency) myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think of it 'til I noticed the fun fact. It's actually a pretty interesting tidbit, and should stay here and there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it should stay only here, because strong sad could of forgot, or he might not of paid attention to the show that much, or any number of reasons like those. So we can keep it here, take it out on the page, and mention what i said here along with the remark.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Considering how pushy Strong Bad is with his opinions, I find it hard to believe that anyone what lives in the same town, let alone the same house, has never heard of Limozeen.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong Sad paid enough attention for him to complain that there was no reason for them to be in space, so he probably knew the name of the show at least. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reason Strong Sad hasn't heard of Limozeen is probably because it was ''before'' he watched that Saturday morning cartoon. In the laundry room scene in email 175, you should notice that there are no seashells on the washer and dryer knobs. And at the end of [[redesign|email 153]], the seashells are hot glued on the knobs. Obviously, the laundry room scene might have taken place ''before'' emails 126 and 153. Just my theory. [[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Here's the main flaw with your theory: as in most cartoons, any changes to the Homestar Runner universe are often temporary and are quickly reverted by the following week. Remember when Strong Bad got [[the chair]]? Cartoons are all about keeping the status quo. For all we know, Strong Bad could have taken the seashells off the knobs the following week. Or, more likely, TBC forgot/didn't bother to update it. Anyway, all this is speculative, so no water is carried by either of our arguments. All we can assume is that the emails must take place in chronological order and therefore the events that happen in 175 took place after 153. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's undies ==
I removed this fact. It seems like this page should be reserved for actual factual inconsistencies. It's not really verifiable whether Strong Bad was wearing underwear when he said it. Frankly, it always seemed to me like he was making stuff up to begin with. ("I'm all macho. I go commando! I am awesome!") It's not inconsistant, SB was just clearly lying [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Or he just didn't understand the concept of "Going Commando" when he said it. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 14:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::DAGRON misled you, StarLion. He was paraphrasing, not quoting directly. SB actually says, "But you made my underwears showing! Everybody knows I don't wear underwears!" {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Erm, I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, if that's what you mean. I was just trying to explain my reasoning.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== or maybe... ==

maybe [[carrot and kazoo hill]] and where [[pom pom]] was flipping were on different sides of [[Free Country USA]] [[User:Imdaman]]
: Doesnt work. Was one of the first things i thought of. the position of the flag relative to the fence, and the Tire, disprove this. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Needs a rewrite ==

*[[Happy Hallow-Day]] — Since Halloween night is missing, the [[Spooky Woods]] are in a less spooky state, but even though it wasn't Halloween in [[Where's the Cheat?]], the woods were still spooky.

All I can say reading this is "What? Huh? Since they were 'less spooky but still spooky,' it's a discrepancy?" It either needs to be rewritten more intelligibly, or removed.

== Potentially reconcilling a inconsistencie (or however you spell it) ==

Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon — The scene behind the fence is missing the Bear Holding a Shark that scared The Cheat in date. RECONCILLING, POTENTIALLY: The bear holdin' a shark was moved somewhere else in between the 2 Animations. [[User: Poopskin/about|Poopskin, YOUR HEAD ENGSMSPLODE.™]]
:Speculation. Without evidence this happened, we can't say where it is. Just that it's not there like it should be. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's computers ==

In regard to the difference in hard drive size of the Lappy in animal and retirement, it seems to me that Strong Bad merely upgraded it in between. He doesn't necessarily need to tell us. [[User:Thejason|Thejason]] 05:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not stated, it's speculation, which is worse than an inconstistancy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Basement... ==

The basement can clearly be walked into from the right in many toons, but not in others (including the wii game trailer) Why wasn't this listed? {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Na Na La La La ==

Should we really count Strong Bad's uses of Na Nas as inconsistent from [[bottom 10]]? He specifically says that he hates songs that pass them off as legit lyrics, and he sounds hesitant to use them in [[Trogday 08]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
: He doesn't seem hesitant to me at all. In fact, he shoehorns them in right at the end of "Machine" to get the "N". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Word-age ==

I said I'd explain on the discussion page, so here goes. The verbiage (see, I know the real word) of at least two of the inconsistencies was misleading
#Pizza competition: Strong Bad may not have ''forgotten'' about [[Bubs' Old Pizza]]. There are other possibilities: like he didn't consider it competition, for one. Or it doesn't even exist anymore. Picking one possibility over others is pure speculation speculation. Using ''neglect'' allows for all the possibilities.
#Location of Strong Bad's room: Stating that SB's room is "near" the basement is confusing, as the first floor is also "near" the basement. Apparently, the basement is considered a room in this context, so I made that clearer by stating that SB's room and the basement are "on the same floor".

If I notice them, I'll explain any other changes I make to the page along these lines. It is my policy to explain my edits, lest they be reverted because they are not understood. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 13:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inconsistencies that can be dismissed as coincidences: ==
Are they true inconsistencies?

''Email flashback — Strong Bad claims he lost count around email 51, but he began caffeine (the 91st Strong Bad Email) with "Coming in at number 91, it's, E-Maaaaaaaaaaail!" ''
Remember that the "coming in at 91" is referring to a music countdown (or something similar). The fact that the email is number 91 as well CAN be explained away as coincidence. Do we consider the fact that the coincidence is unlikely and write it off as inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 13:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Strong Sad's Lament — Strong Sad writes that he can't jump, yet he manages to jump in A Jumping Jack Contest, as well as in Experimental Film, stunt double, and boring (really). ''
How about Strong Sad likes to whine and/or exaggerate? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Halloween Fairstival — Strong Bad states that he doesn't know or care what a haiku is, but he had previously recited one in japanese cartoon. ''

He was a poet, and didn't even know it! [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email bottom 10 — Strong Bad's list includes "Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics", but Strong Bad sang "Na na na" in the intro to secret recipes does it again in Trogday 08, and sings "da doot doot" in portrait. ''
Strong Bad not following his own rules? Since when is this an inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email pizza joint — Strong Bad was shocked to learn that there was "competition" between his pizza joint, The Pizz and the Cheat's "Cheatsa Pizza", neglecting the existence of a third pizza brand, Bubs' Old Pizza. ''
He forgot? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Don't have to be a poet to write a poem. ==

About his haiku, I find it unlikely that it's a real haiku. "So cool an email. I thought you would enjoy it. Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" Who's to say the last sentence is actually part of the intro? I think he's just saying that to be funny. Also, in about half of my MANY stories I write for friends, I've ended up writing poems without knowing! I don't think it should count. It's not even a coincedence. "Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" isn't part of the haiku. He's done things like that before. Like, "Double Dear Strong Bad" and things. Just saying. [[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]] 01:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah no. This is definitely a haiku. What are the odds that Strong Bad says fragments of sentences in a flowing pattern in an email '''about Japenese Culture?!''' Anyway, I like that you're thinking, but today you are wrong. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
== Yearbook page/flashback ==

Don't we know that the flashback in email 100 is true? I have a inconsistency that relies on it being true, but someone took it down because he said that we don't know if it's true. But, Strong Bad and Homestar agree on it being true. And, even if it wasn't true, couldn't we still have this inconsistency? --Philip8o
:Strong Bad tends to make up stories (see [[History according to Strong Bad]]), and Homestar's so stupid that he agrees with them even when they're confirmed to be fake (e.g., [[original]]). Therefore, the flashback might not have happened at all. 21:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== 8-bit is enough? ==

I removed this fact,concluding that it was a goof:

The events of the game occur shortly after the gang all watches Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective. Even though the Computer Room had no calendar when Strong Bad brought the tape downstairs, there is one in 8-Bit is Enough.

But DeFender brought it back,saying all of them are goofs.We seem to make Inconsistencies a remark,and there is a calender in every other episode.Should it stay or go?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Marzi's legs ==
I'm not sure how to word this on the page, but in one toon, Marzipan says Homestar is kicking her shin, but in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] it looks like her body's skirt shaped because you can see pink flesh in the hole in her costume, but in [[Kick-A-Ball]], she apparintly has invisable legs. It's pretty weird. {{User:Coach z's cool/sig}} 17:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== What's that word again? Consistency! ==

In [[email thunder]] Strong Bad is shocked to find Homestar has his own show, despite bearing direct witness to it in [[Hremail 7]]. Is this worth noting? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Um, considering that Hremail 7 succeeded Email Thunder, it was meant to be one big joke of role-reversal, where Homestar acts like Strong Bad and Strong Bad acts like Homestar. Not really a true inconsistency, it was more intentional. [[Special:Contributions/76.249.46.108|76.249.46.108]]

::[[animal|Check out these (not even sense-making) speculations]]--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC).

== TGS Inconsistencies ==

Currently, there's an "inconsistency" listed that Cheerleader claims to not be an actual cheerleader but just one in the way she dresses and treats other girls. I don't think TGS "inconsistencies" should be listed because:
-> It's not "within the HR universe," it's in a created work within it.
-> If we do count these, then what about things like, "So and So died in Issue X but was completely unscathed in Issue X+1." It's not meant to be a consistent/coherent plot line, and such inconsistencies are hugely on purpose.

== No Smoking ==

*[[On Break]] — Strong Bad denies being a smoker despite the fact that he's been seen smoking a cigar in [[Store Thank You Message]].
Rather than edit warring, I'm bringing it up here. My reasons against this fact:
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to someone who smokes cigarettes, not cigars or pipes.
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to some who smokes habitually, rather than just once in a while. Similar to how being an alcoholic is usually referring to someone who drinks habitually, not someone who has a shot once in a while.
#Even if we accept the idea that smoking a cigar or pipe on occasion makes one "a smoker", SB lying about it or forgetting about it is not an inconsistency, (and perhaps he understands the definition of "smoker" the same way i do...)
For all these reasons, I don't think this belongs on this page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== More Hremail7 Inconsistencies ==

In [[isp|ISP]], Bubs says that Strong Bad is his lone internet customer, yet Homestar was obviously checking emails during the period that email was released. Of course, this is based on the assumption that Homestar would have the same ISP, but there is a slight chance that he doesn't. Of course, they have the same host... [[User:Sifi89|Sifi89]] 21:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Seems like a stretch though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Most of this page is bogus ==

This inconsistencies page assumes that every character has a total recall of all past events, and includes many instances when a character making a statement about the past could easily be lying or mistaken. (Especially Strong Bad) A dishonest or confused character is not a universe inconsistency. Only instances where inconsistencies are '''actually shown on screen''' should be listed, all others should be moved to a separate page for false statements. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

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Nerd42: /**/Most of this pagei s bogus

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out. This is basically an organizational thing. If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER. Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results. It's just a way to make things easier to find. And that's the point right? Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right. Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored. You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies. This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance . The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page! The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary. I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''. Keep this page. I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat. I made that edit. Leave it out, then... {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take the whole fact out. In addition to the "he could do laundry that doesn't consist of wearable clothes", which is totally valid, it's been established that he does ''own'' quite a few articles of clothing. Yes, he doesn't wear them often, and he says so in his journal, but that doesn't prevent him from ever doing laundry. (analogy: I don't really wear suits. But I do ''own'' a suit. If I were to say something like "Did you take my suit to the cleaners?" it wouldn't really be an inconsistency with my not generally wearing suits.) In other words, I think one should interpret the line as "I don't really wear clothes [very often]" rather than "I don't really wear clothes [ever]" because, well, he sometimes does. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. It's true. I say it can go on the page. Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing. I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon. That's the Goofs section. If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that. I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic. If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted. He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene. I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter. Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario. Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe". If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for. This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons. Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose. Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be. I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress. What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now. Thanks. That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] — It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] — Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] — After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) — Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Michael.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either. It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything? The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please. Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised. 
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument. The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted. I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad and Limozeen ==

If the inconsistency on the very bottom of the list was removed from [[concert#Remarks]], should I remove it from this article as well? I think it's suspicious enough to stay here. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it needs removed from either. I was kinda wondering about that (the inconsistency) myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think of it 'til I noticed the fun fact. It's actually a pretty interesting tidbit, and should stay here and there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it should stay only here, because strong sad could of forgot, or he might not of paid attention to the show that much, or any number of reasons like those. So we can keep it here, take it out on the page, and mention what i said here along with the remark.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Considering how pushy Strong Bad is with his opinions, I find it hard to believe that anyone what lives in the same town, let alone the same house, has never heard of Limozeen.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong Sad paid enough attention for him to complain that there was no reason for them to be in space, so he probably knew the name of the show at least. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reason Strong Sad hasn't heard of Limozeen is probably because it was ''before'' he watched that Saturday morning cartoon. In the laundry room scene in email 175, you should notice that there are no seashells on the washer and dryer knobs. And at the end of [[redesign|email 153]], the seashells are hot glued on the knobs. Obviously, the laundry room scene might have taken place ''before'' emails 126 and 153. Just my theory. [[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
:Here's the main flaw with your theory: as in most cartoons, any changes to the Homestar Runner universe are often temporary and are quickly reverted by the following week. Remember when Strong Bad got [[the chair]]? Cartoons are all about keeping the status quo. For all we know, Strong Bad could have taken the seashells off the knobs the following week. Or, more likely, TBC forgot/didn't bother to update it. Anyway, all this is speculative, so no water is carried by either of our arguments. All we can assume is that the emails must take place in chronological order and therefore the events that happen in 175 took place after 153. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's undies ==
I removed this fact. It seems like this page should be reserved for actual factual inconsistencies. It's not really verifiable whether Strong Bad was wearing underwear when he said it. Frankly, it always seemed to me like he was making stuff up to begin with. ("I'm all macho. I go commando! I am awesome!") It's not inconsistant, SB was just clearly lying [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Or he just didn't understand the concept of "Going Commando" when he said it. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 14:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::DAGRON misled you, StarLion. He was paraphrasing, not quoting directly. SB actually says, "But you made my underwears showing! Everybody knows I don't wear underwears!" {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Erm, I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, if that's what you mean. I was just trying to explain my reasoning.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== or maybe... ==

maybe [[carrot and kazoo hill]] and where [[pom pom]] was flipping were on different sides of [[Free Country USA]] [[User:Imdaman]]
: Doesnt work. Was one of the first things i thought of. the position of the flag relative to the fence, and the Tire, disprove this. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Needs a rewrite ==

*[[Happy Hallow-Day]] — Since Halloween night is missing, the [[Spooky Woods]] are in a less spooky state, but even though it wasn't Halloween in [[Where's the Cheat?]], the woods were still spooky.

All I can say reading this is "What? Huh? Since they were 'less spooky but still spooky,' it's a discrepancy?" It either needs to be rewritten more intelligibly, or removed.

== Potentially reconcilling a inconsistencie (or however you spell it) ==

Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon — The scene behind the fence is missing the Bear Holding a Shark that scared The Cheat in date. RECONCILLING, POTENTIALLY: The bear holdin' a shark was moved somewhere else in between the 2 Animations. [[User: Poopskin/about|Poopskin, YOUR HEAD ENGSMSPLODE.™]]
:Speculation. Without evidence this happened, we can't say where it is. Just that it's not there like it should be. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's computers ==

In regard to the difference in hard drive size of the Lappy in animal and retirement, it seems to me that Strong Bad merely upgraded it in between. He doesn't necessarily need to tell us. [[User:Thejason|Thejason]] 05:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not stated, it's speculation, which is worse than an inconstistancy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Basement... ==

The basement can clearly be walked into from the right in many toons, but not in others (including the wii game trailer) Why wasn't this listed? {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Na Na La La La ==

Should we really count Strong Bad's uses of Na Nas as inconsistent from [[bottom 10]]? He specifically says that he hates songs that pass them off as legit lyrics, and he sounds hesitant to use them in [[Trogday 08]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
: He doesn't seem hesitant to me at all. In fact, he shoehorns them in right at the end of "Machine" to get the "N". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

== Word-age ==

I said I'd explain on the discussion page, so here goes. The verbiage (see, I know the real word) of at least two of the inconsistencies was misleading
#Pizza competition: Strong Bad may not have ''forgotten'' about [[Bubs' Old Pizza]]. There are other possibilities: like he didn't consider it competition, for one. Or it doesn't even exist anymore. Picking one possibility over others is pure speculation speculation. Using ''neglect'' allows for all the possibilities.
#Location of Strong Bad's room: Stating that SB's room is "near" the basement is confusing, as the first floor is also "near" the basement. Apparently, the basement is considered a room in this context, so I made that clearer by stating that SB's room and the basement are "on the same floor".

If I notice them, I'll explain any other changes I make to the page along these lines. It is my policy to explain my edits, lest they be reverted because they are not understood. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 13:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Inconsistencies that can be dismissed as coincidences: ==
Are they true inconsistencies?

''Email flashback — Strong Bad claims he lost count around email 51, but he began caffeine (the 91st Strong Bad Email) with "Coming in at number 91, it's, E-Maaaaaaaaaaail!" ''
Remember that the "coming in at 91" is referring to a music countdown (or something similar). The fact that the email is number 91 as well CAN be explained away as coincidence. Do we consider the fact that the coincidence is unlikely and write it off as inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 13:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Strong Sad's Lament — Strong Sad writes that he can't jump, yet he manages to jump in A Jumping Jack Contest, as well as in Experimental Film, stunt double, and boring (really). ''
How about Strong Sad likes to whine and/or exaggerate? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Halloween Fairstival — Strong Bad states that he doesn't know or care what a haiku is, but he had previously recited one in japanese cartoon. ''

He was a poet, and didn't even know it! [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email bottom 10 — Strong Bad's list includes "Songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics", but Strong Bad sang "Na na na" in the intro to secret recipes does it again in Trogday 08, and sings "da doot doot" in portrait. ''
Strong Bad not following his own rules? Since when is this an inconsistency? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

''Email pizza joint — Strong Bad was shocked to learn that there was "competition" between his pizza joint, The Pizz and the Cheat's "Cheatsa Pizza", neglecting the existence of a third pizza brand, Bubs' Old Pizza. ''
He forgot? [[Special:Contributions/64.131.243.107|64.131.243.107]] 14:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Don't have to be a poet to write a poem. ==

About his haiku, I find it unlikely that it's a real haiku. "So cool an email. I thought you would enjoy it. Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" Who's to say the last sentence is actually part of the intro? I think he's just saying that to be funny. Also, in about half of my MANY stories I write for friends, I've ended up writing poems without knowing! I don't think it should count. It's not even a coincedence. "Ding dong Dear Strong Bad" isn't part of the haiku. He's done things like that before. Like, "Double Dear Strong Bad" and things. Just saying. [[User:Tizye96|Tizye96]] 01:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
: Yeah no. This is definitely a haiku. What are the odds that Strong Bad says fragments of sentences in a flowing pattern in an email '''about Japenese Culture?!''' Anyway, I like that you're thinking, but today you are wrong. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
== Yearbook page/flashback ==

Don't we know that the flashback in email 100 is true? I have a inconsistency that relies on it being true, but someone took it down because he said that we don't know if it's true. But, Strong Bad and Homestar agree on it being true. And, even if it wasn't true, couldn't we still have this inconsistency? --Philip8o
:Strong Bad tends to make up stories (see [[History according to Strong Bad]]), and Homestar's so stupid that he agrees with them even when they're confirmed to be fake (e.g., [[original]]). Therefore, the flashback might not have happened at all. 21:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== 8-bit is enough? ==

I removed this fact,concluding that it was a goof:

The events of the game occur shortly after the gang all watches Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective. Even though the Computer Room had no calendar when Strong Bad brought the tape downstairs, there is one in 8-Bit is Enough.

But DeFender brought it back,saying all of them are goofs.We seem to make Inconsistencies a remark,and there is a calender in every other episode.Should it stay or go?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 22:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== Marzi's legs ==
I'm not sure how to word this on the page, but in one toon, Marzipan says Homestar is kicking her shin, but in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] it looks like her body's skirt shaped because you can see pink flesh in the hole in her costume, but in [[Kick-A-Ball]], she apparintly has invisable legs. It's pretty weird. {{User:Coach z's cool/sig}} 17:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== What's that word again? Consistency! ==

In [[email thunder]] Strong Bad is shocked to find Homestar has his own show, despite bearing direct witness to it in [[Hremail 7]]. Is this worth noting? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Um, considering that Hremail 7 succeeded Email Thunder, it was meant to be one big joke of role-reversal, where Homestar acts like Strong Bad and Strong Bad acts like Homestar. Not really a true inconsistency, it was more intentional. [[Special:Contributions/76.249.46.108|76.249.46.108]]

::[[animal|Check out these (not even sense-making) speculations]]--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC).

== TGS Inconsistencies ==

Currently, there's an "inconsistency" listed that Cheerleader claims to not be an actual cheerleader but just one in the way she dresses and treats other girls. I don't think TGS "inconsistencies" should be listed because:
-> It's not "within the HR universe," it's in a created work within it.
-> If we do count these, then what about things like, "So and So died in Issue X but was completely unscathed in Issue X+1." It's not meant to be a consistent/coherent plot line, and such inconsistencies are hugely on purpose.

== No Smoking ==

*[[On Break]] — Strong Bad denies being a smoker despite the fact that he's been seen smoking a cigar in [[Store Thank You Message]].
Rather than edit warring, I'm bringing it up here. My reasons against this fact:
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to someone who smokes cigarettes, not cigars or pipes.
#"Being a smoker" usually refers to some who smokes habitually, rather than just once in a while. Similar to how being an alcoholic is usually referring to someone who drinks habitually, not someone who has a shot once in a while.
#Even if we accept the idea that smoking a cigar or pipe on occasion makes one "a smoker", SB lying about it or forgetting about it is not an inconsistency, (and perhaps he understands the definition of "smoker" the same way i do...)
For all these reasons, I don't think this belongs on this page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

== More Hremail7 Inconsistencies ==

In [[isp|ISP]], Bubs says that Strong Bad is his lone internet customer, yet Homestar was obviously checking emails during the period that email was released. Of course, this is based on the assumption that Homestar would have the same ISP, but there is a slight chance that he doesn't. Of course, they have the same host... [[User:Sifi89|Sifi89]] 21:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
:Seems like a stretch though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

== Most of this pagei s bogus ==

This inconsistencies page assumes that every character has a total recall of all past events, and includes many instances when a character making a statement about the past could easily be lying or mistaken. (Especially Strong Bad) A dishonest or confused character is not a universe inconsistency. Only instances where inconsistencies are '''actually shown on screen''' should be listed, all others should be moved to a separate page for false statements. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Homestar Runner and Homestar Runner's Relationship

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Nerd42: If Homestar said it, Homestar would have to know. But he probably knows subconsciously

[[Image:Homstarvs.PNG|thumb|"Man, man, we should start putting those Homestar Vs. Homestar fights on pay-per-view."]]

According to [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]] seems to have an "unbelievably loose grasp on the world around [him]." As a result, Homestar will frequently become confused and [[Identity Confusion|forget who he is]]. He then '''interacts with himself as though he is a different and separate person'''. This includes talking to himself, looking for himself, writing notes to remind himself who he is, insulting himself, and even fighting himself. When he's speaking as [[Cardboard Marzipan]], she seems smarter than Homestar and mentions things that Homestar himself wouldn't be expected to think of, at least consciously.

==Appearances==
*Email [[the show]] — One of Homestar's cards reads "homestar = you".
*[[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] — Homestar asks himself what he's doing, and then replies to himself.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]] — Homestar does extremely poor imitations of various characters on the switched tape, including himself.
*[[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] — Homestar asks [[Pom Pom]] whom he's working with when the two search for [[The Poopsmith]]. When Pom Pom replies, Homestar remarks that "Homestar Runner" sounds like a "no-goodnik".
*[[Bug In Mouth Disease]] — Homestar attempts to help himself out by employing the skills he acquired in health class. He addresses himself as "sir or madam" and asks himself if he needs "medical resistance". It doesn't work.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]] — Homestar nicknames himself "Boyfriend [[Dan]]", but instantly forgets he has done so, ultimately ending up inadvertently threatening his self-instated alter-ego.
*Email [[garage sale]] — Homestar advertises himself for sale, then offers to buy one of himself, and then turns around and offers to [[I'll Take Twelve|buy twelve]].
*[[TrogdorCon '97]] — Homestar dresses up as himself for the con.
*[[Weclome Back]] — Homestar berates the person who slept through June and the person who forgot to bring the donuts. However, the person who did those things was Homestar himself.
*Email [[cliffhangers]] — In an [[Easter egg]], Homestar accuses himself of stealing the [[Lappy 486]], saying that he's got the history and the motives.
*[[Happy Hallow-day]] — Homestar talks to and refers to himself as "[[Douglas|Doug]]" while revealing his plan to capture [[Halloween]] night.
*Email [[4 branches]] — Homestar has himself on his own [[The Show#The Show AM|"You're a bad boyfriend" talk show]].
*Email [[looking old]] — Homestar calls [[Homsar]] "Homestar".
*Email [[strong badathlon]] — Homestar is the reigning champion in the "Greco-Roman Homestar [[Crud]]-Out-of-Beating", as demonstrated when he taunts, punches and slaps himself.
*[[Strong Badia the Free]] — After Homestar selects himself for the draft, he switches back and forth between trying to dodge it and trying to coerce himself into it, as though he's two different people.
*[[Most in the Graveyard]] — Homestar compliments himself on his own costume ([[What are you supposed to be?|while getting the costume wrong]]), and then corrects himself (incorrectly).
*[[Hremail 62]] — Homestar, in silhouette, introduces himself. After the lights come on, he thanks "silhouette" for the introduction.
*[[Hremail 2000]] — Just as in Hremail 62, Homestar introduces himself and then thanks "shadow Homestar". He then says "We'll do battle later." One Easter egg actually has him [[Duplicate Characters|fight against Shadow Homestar]] in a [[Mortal Kombat]] parody.
*[[Best Caper Ever]] — When calling for help, one person Homestar calls for is "Homestar".
*[[Where My Hat Is At? (toon)]] — Homestar's opening line is "If there are two things I know about the Homestar Runner, it's that everybody loves the him and he's a terrific athlete".

==See Also==
*[[Cardboard Marzipan]]
*[[Duplicate Characters]]

[[Category:Character Relationships]]
[[Category:Homestar Runner running gags]]

Other Sightings

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Nerd42: /* Wil Wheaton's "Just a Geek" */

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== 505 Unbelievably Stupid Web Pages ==
On page 125 of [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1402201427/qid=1071549961/ this book], "Strong Bad E-Mail" is listed as link number 256. The writer claims "...the answers to these questions require as much thought as you'd expect from a baboon."

== Alamo Drafthouse Cinema ==
The Alamo Drafthouse Cinema in Austin, Texas, in lieu of more traditional "Please turn off your cellphones and pagers" messages, occasionally shows Homestar Runner clips, among other strange clips. One such clip is from [[the movies]] and shows Strong Bad detailing the many irritating things at the movie theater, including his frustration with "the kind of person that likes to talk to the movie".

==The Alphabet of Manliness==
On page 141 of [[Wikipedia:The Alphabet of Manliness|The Alphabet of Manliness]] (page 138 in the UK version), Maddox lists the [[Double Deuce]] as an effective way of showing frustration to bad drivers.

==AnimeNEXT==
At AnimeNEXT's "Save Tokyo Tower" game, one of the disasters that occurs is Trogdor burninating Tokyo Tower.

== BigStuf Camp ==
The youth camp program "BigStuf" held in Panama City, FL every year is home to several Homestar Runner sightings: The violin player in the camp's band consistently wears various Homestar Runner shirts, and a Homestar Runner character is always thanked on the last day of camp every year. In 2004, it was Homestar Runner. In 2005, it was Coach Z.

==BotCon 2008==
During the script reading [http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=56AE7F601353E442 Bee in the City],
[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bumblebee_(Animated) Bumblebee] is at a drive-thru that, after he orders, proclaims the well-known [[Drive-Thru Whale]] line "Sever your leg please, it's the greatest day."

==Camp Joy==
In the year 2006, the revolving theme of the [[Wikipedia:Boy Scouts|Boy Scouts]] summer camp [http://okawbsa.org/~campjoy/ Camp Joy] was [[Wikipedia:Pirate|pirates]], complete with antagonist [[Trogdor]].

== Celebration 3 ==
[[Image:53028701.jpg|thumb|Homestar on X-Wing]]
Before ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith|Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith]]'', the official fan club held a convention in the Indiana Convention Center, where they showed cars modeled after several ships from the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars universe]]. One of the [[Wikipedia:X-Wing|X-Wing]] cars had a Homestar Runner cling sticker on it.

==Crime Files: Four-Minute Forensic Mysteries: Body of Evidence==
In the mystery "Gamer Over" found in the Jeremy Brown book "[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0439769345/002-5890081-1025652?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance Crime Files: Four-minute Forensic Mysteries : Body of Evidence]", the username of the victim is Trogdor139.

==Dragon Con 2008==
Strong Bad introduced Paul and Storm at Dragon Con 2008. Paul and Storm were previously half of [[DaVinci's Notebook]], which had previously performed [[The Ballad of the Sneak]] for the website.
[http://www.paulandstorm.com/archives/tying-up-a-couple-loose-ends/]

==Empire==
The bestselling book "Empire" by science fiction author Orson Scott Card contains a quote on the top of page 10 in which a university student says the familiar phrase, "My head a splode," in response to a main character's statements.

==Extralife Radio Podcast==
In the [http://www.myextralife.com Extralife Radio] podcast, episode number 104, the program begins by playing the audio of the Easter egg in the [[Peasant's Quest Preview]].

== Futurama: The Beast With A Billion Backs ==
In the arcade scene, on the side of the fictional Normal Kombat game, The Fist Of Knuckes logo from [[rated]] can be seen.

== Great Teacher Largo Panel, Otakon ==
At the GLT panel, during the question and answer session, someone asked how Largo "typed with boxing gloves on". Largo replied that he was not Strong Bad, but he does "rock out like Trogdor" and sometimes his computer gets "burninated".  

==Halo 2: Special Edition DVD==
On the door of the recording room for the Halo internet machinima, Red vs Blue, there are stickers of Homestar and Strong Bad. Homestar was also shown briefly in a PSA for the same machinima.

== iPod + iTunes for Windows and Mac ==
The help book ''iPod + iTunes for Windows and Mac'' includes an "add to my library" dialog box, and a file called "[[Today is Alright 4 2Nite|alright42nite.mp3]]" is highlighted. The file is available for [[dangeresque_3#Easter_Eggs|download]] on the site.

==Joss Whedon: Super Fan ==
[[Image:Joss Whedon Buffy Strong Bad Shirt.jpg|thumb|Joss wearing a [[Strong Bad]] shirt]]
[[Wikipedia:Joss Whedon|Joss Whedon]], already [[Television Sightings#Buffy the Vampire Slayer|known to be a Homestar Runner fan]], quipped "Just the claps" after a group of [[Wikipedia:Browncoat|Browncoats]] sang him Happy Birthday on June 23, 2005.
*[http://www.serenitymovie.com/media/serenity_river_rev_700k.mov Clip of Joss quoting Strong Bad]

==Kingdom Hearts 2 Strategy Guide==
In the strategy guide for the Playstation 2 game "Kingdom Hearts II", on page 28 (the Aladdin Character page) there is a small blurb describing limits. The title says "Everybody To The Limit".

==License Plates==
[[Image:Trgdorcar.jpg|thumb|Burninate my ride.]]
A car has been spotted on the streets of Melbourne, Australia, with a license plate reading "TRGDOR".
Another car has been spotted in Irvine, California with a license plate of "BURNIN8". Yet another in North Carolina has a plate reading "[[Everybody to the Limit|Fhqwagds]]" (sic).

== Lost energy drink ==
The words "The System is Down" can be located on the "Lost" energy drink, above the Supplement Facts.

== Macromedia Flash 8 Conference ==
[[Image:homestar_in_flash_8.png|thumb|H*R in Flash Player 8]]
As part of the first showing of the unreleased at the time [http://www.macromedia.com/flash Macromedia Flash Player] 8, a graphical demo was shown with various effects that will be available in the new player being applied to both graphics, text, animations and movies on the fly. Of all the animations on the web, the Macromedia developers decided to feature both [[Homestar Runner]] and an animated [[The Homestar Runner]], showing the new effects being applied to their forms.

This was the first use of Homestar Runner by Macromedia, the later being the short, [[Where the Crap Are We?]], which appeared as an Easter egg in the about dialog of [http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ Macromedia Central].

*[http://media.putfile.com/Homestar-in-Flash-8---HiRes See the short, cut video (high resolution)]
*[http://www.moock.org/blog/archives/000146.html Listing of mirrors for the full technical demo movie]

==Movies in Fifteen Minutes==
In the book [http://community.livejournal.com/m15m/ Movies in Fifteen Minutes] by Cleolinda Jones, she makes several brief references to Strong Bad in her versions of popular movies.

==The Official Dictionary of Unofficial English==
This dictionary has an entry for [[A Splode|asplode]] that says "the term was popularized in 2004 by the character Strong Bad on the Homestar Runner web site homestarrunner.com". An excerpt of this book showing this entry can be found on [http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0071458042/qid=1219558610/ref=sib_books_pg?ie=UTF8&keywords=asplode&p=S017 Amazon.com].

== Official Rock-Paper-Scissors Strategy Guide ==
In a sample tournament bracket in this book on page 163, one of the players is Trogdor.

==The Picture of Everything 2==
[http://www.howardhallis.com/artgallery/tpoe2/index.html In this work in progress] among the characters in this scene are [[Strong Bad]] and [[Homestar Runner]]. Strong Bad is to the left of the Enterprise bridge, slightly right of center image. Homestar is below the right side of the Rolling Stone magazine cover, in the bottom left.

==The Prosh==
In the 2008 edition of this annual Western Australian satirical publication,
there is an image of Trogdor on an advertisement for a dragon-slayer on the back page.
In small text on the bottom, there is a message as follows- "Sorry. Trogdor will burninate your ****. Don't even bother."

== Pumpkin! ==
Around Halloween 2004, at "[http://www.osf.com/ The Old Spaghetti Factory]" restaurant in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (a fairly [http://www.osf.com/locations/alllocations.html large] [http://www.oldspaghettifactory.ca/locations.html chain], and a higher class restaurant), they had a large collection of carved pumpkins all over the place, and one prominently placed pumpkin near the entrance had an excellently carved likeness of Homestar in it.



== Rialto Theatre ==
During the introduction to the weekly showings of the Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Rialto Theatre in Raleigh, North Carolina, a projector is frequently used to make The Cheat and Trogdor run across the screen.

==Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++==
In the Acknowledgments section, they thank Strong Bad for teaching them how to type up a book while wearing boxing gloves.

==Shadowrun: Fourth Edition==
Shadowrun is a [[Wikipedia:Tabletop role-playing game|pen-and-paper RPG]] that combines elements of cyberpunk and fantasy. On page 87 (of the second printing), when discussing designing a character, it says (emphasis ours):
:Write down some quotes your character might say. Three or four should be good. Fiction is filled with characters that can be captured in a quote—everything from "Do you feel lucky, punk?" to "'''Double Deuce!'''"—capture our imaginations and give us something to hook a character on.

==Spaceshipper==
A couple of college students have created a game based on [[Spaceshipper]], one of the unplayble video games by [[Videlectrix]]. The game can be found [http://www.tomkortbeek.nl/space.html here].

== Super Size Me ==
In the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Super Size Me|Super Size Me]]'', there are a group of kids at the computer watching an old Tandy era Strong Bad Email.
[[Category: Sightings]]

==Switchfoot Podcast Episode 17==
In episode 17 of the offical [[Wikipedia:Switchfoot|Switchfoot]] Podcast, bassist [[Wikipedia:Tim Foreman|Tim Foreman]] is seen playing Trogdor on Guitar Hero II for most of the episode.

== The Toronto Star ==

In the May 13, 2008 edition of the [http://www.thestar.com Toronto Star], both in print and [http://www.thestar.com/article/424683 online], there was an article in the entertainment section about [[Wikipedia:WiiWare|WiiWare]]. Although the article itself made no reference, the picture is a screen shot of [[SBCG4AP|Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]].

== Untraceable ==
In one scene in the movie [[IMDB:tt0880578|Untraceable]] a person in a chatroom has [[Cheerleader]] from [[Teen Girl Squad]] as an avatar.

==WaTiki Waterpark==
The WaTiki Indoor Waterpark in Rapid City, South Dakota had, as a transition on their electronic billboard, Homestar Runner running across the board.

== Wil Wheaton's "Just a Geek" ==
In the introduction to [http://books.google.com/books?id=vjrNaFydsAIC this book], written by the actor-turned-author Wil Wheaton, who once played Wesley Crusher on Star Trek; The Next Generation, the author mentions a converstaion with his wife that covered whether or not to bring his Trogdor shirt to a book signing.

==Wordplay==
In the documentary [[IMDB:tt0492506|Wordplay]], [http://rpipuzzleguy.livejournal.com/ Tyler Hinman] is seen wearing a [[Trogdor]] shirt. In fact, Hinman has worn the shirt during the final round of each of the four [http://www.crosswordtournament.com/ American Crossword Puzzle Tournaments] he has won. He can be seen wearing the shirt in the last image of [http://geekoutnewyork.com/2008/03/crossword.php this article about his 2008 win].

[[Category:Sightings]]

Other Sightings

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== 505 Unbelievably Stupid Web Pages ==
On page 125 of [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1402201427/qid=1071549961/ this book], "Strong Bad E-Mail" is listed as link number 256. The writer claims "...the answers to these questions require as much thought as you'd expect from a baboon."

== Alamo Drafthouse Cinema ==
The Alamo Drafthouse Cinema in Austin, Texas, in lieu of more traditional "Please turn off your cellphones and pagers" messages, occasionally shows Homestar Runner clips, among other strange clips. One such clip is from [[the movies]] and shows Strong Bad detailing the many irritating things at the movie theater, including his frustration with "the kind of person that likes to talk to the movie".

==The Alphabet of Manliness==
On page 141 of [[Wikipedia:The Alphabet of Manliness|The Alphabet of Manliness]] (page 138 in the UK version), Maddox lists the [[Double Deuce]] as an effective way of showing frustration to bad drivers.

==AnimeNEXT==
At AnimeNEXT's "Save Tokyo Tower" game, one of the disasters that occurs is Trogdor burninating Tokyo Tower.

== BigStuf Camp ==
The youth camp program "BigStuf" held in Panama City, FL every year is home to several Homestar Runner sightings: The violin player in the camp's band consistently wears various Homestar Runner shirts, and a Homestar Runner character is always thanked on the last day of camp every year. In 2004, it was Homestar Runner. In 2005, it was Coach Z.

==BotCon 2008==
During the script reading [http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=56AE7F601353E442 Bee in the City],
[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bumblebee_(Animated) Bumblebee] is at a drive-thru that, after he orders, proclaims the well-known [[Drive-Thru Whale]] line "Sever your leg please, it's the greatest day."

==Camp Joy==
In the year 2006, the revolving theme of the [[Wikipedia:Boy Scouts|Boy Scouts]] summer camp [http://okawbsa.org/~campjoy/ Camp Joy] was [[Wikipedia:Pirate|pirates]], complete with antagonist [[Trogdor]].

== Celebration 3 ==
[[Image:53028701.jpg|thumb|Homestar on X-Wing]]
Before ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith|Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith]]'', the official fan club held a convention in the Indiana Convention Center, where they showed cars modeled after several ships from the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars universe]]. One of the [[Wikipedia:X-Wing|X-Wing]] cars had a Homestar Runner cling sticker on it.

==Crime Files: Four-Minute Forensic Mysteries: Body of Evidence==
In the mystery "Gamer Over" found in the Jeremy Brown book "[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0439769345/002-5890081-1025652?v=glance&n=283155&n=507846&s=books&v=glance Crime Files: Four-minute Forensic Mysteries : Body of Evidence]", the username of the victim is Trogdor139.

==Dragon Con 2008==
Strong Bad introduced Paul and Storm at Dragon Con 2008. Paul and Storm were previously half of [[DaVinci's Notebook]], which had previously performed [[The Ballad of the Sneak]] for the website.
[http://www.paulandstorm.com/archives/tying-up-a-couple-loose-ends/]

==Empire==
The bestselling book "Empire" by science fiction author Orson Scott Card contains a quote on the top of page 10 in which a university student says the familiar phrase, "My head a splode," in response to a main character's statements.

==Extralife Radio Podcast==
In the [http://www.myextralife.com Extralife Radio] podcast, episode number 104, the program begins by playing the audio of the Easter egg in the [[Peasant's Quest Preview]].

== Futurama: The Beast With A Billion Backs ==
In the arcade scene, on the side of the fictional Normal Kombat game, The Fist Of Knuckes logo from [[rated]] can be seen.

== Great Teacher Largo Panel, Otakon ==
At the GLT panel, during the question and answer session, someone asked how Largo "typed with boxing gloves on". Largo replied that he was not Strong Bad, but he does "rock out like Trogdor" and sometimes his computer gets "burninated".  

==Halo 2: Special Edition DVD==
On the door of the recording room for the Halo internet machinima, Red vs Blue, there are stickers of Homestar and Strong Bad. Homestar was also shown briefly in a PSA for the same machinima.

== iPod + iTunes for Windows and Mac ==
The help book ''iPod + iTunes for Windows and Mac'' includes an "add to my library" dialog box, and a file called "[[Today is Alright 4 2Nite|alright42nite.mp3]]" is highlighted. The file is available for [[dangeresque_3#Easter_Eggs|download]] on the site.

==Joss Whedon: Super Fan ==
[[Image:Joss Whedon Buffy Strong Bad Shirt.jpg|thumb|Joss wearing a [[Strong Bad]] shirt]]
[[Wikipedia:Joss Whedon|Joss Whedon]], already [[Television Sightings#Buffy the Vampire Slayer|known to be a Homestar Runner fan]], quipped "Just the claps" after a group of [[Wikipedia:Browncoat|Browncoats]] sang him Happy Birthday on June 23, 2005.
*[http://www.serenitymovie.com/media/serenity_river_rev_700k.mov Clip of Joss quoting Strong Bad]

==Kingdom Hearts 2 Strategy Guide==
In the strategy guide for the Playstation 2 game "Kingdom Hearts II", on page 28 (the Aladdin Character page) there is a small blurb describing limits. The title says "Everybody To The Limit".

==License Plates==
[[Image:Trgdorcar.jpg|thumb|Burninate my ride.]]
A car has been spotted on the streets of Melbourne, Australia, with a license plate reading "TRGDOR".
Another car has been spotted in Irvine, California with a license plate of "BURNIN8". Yet another in North Carolina has a plate reading "[[Everybody to the Limit|Fhqwagds]]" (sic).

== Lost energy drink ==
The words "The System is Down" can be located on the "Lost" energy drink, above the Supplement Facts.

== Macromedia Flash 8 Conference ==
[[Image:homestar_in_flash_8.png|thumb|H*R in Flash Player 8]]
As part of the first showing of the unreleased at the time [http://www.macromedia.com/flash Macromedia Flash Player] 8, a graphical demo was shown with various effects that will be available in the new player being applied to both graphics, text, animations and movies on the fly. Of all the animations on the web, the Macromedia developers decided to feature both [[Homestar Runner]] and an animated [[The Homestar Runner]], showing the new effects being applied to their forms.

This was the first use of Homestar Runner by Macromedia, the later being the short, [[Where the Crap Are We?]], which appeared as an Easter egg in the about dialog of [http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ Macromedia Central].

*[http://media.putfile.com/Homestar-in-Flash-8---HiRes See the short, cut video (high resolution)]
*[http://www.moock.org/blog/archives/000146.html Listing of mirrors for the full technical demo movie]

==Movies in Fifteen Minutes==
In the book [http://community.livejournal.com/m15m/ Movies in Fifteen Minutes] by Cleolinda Jones, she makes several brief references to Strong Bad in her versions of popular movies.

==The Official Dictionary of Unofficial English==
This dictionary has an entry for [[A Splode|asplode]] that says "the term was popularized in 2004 by the character Strong Bad on the Homestar Runner web site homestarrunner.com". An excerpt of this book showing this entry can be found on [http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0071458042/qid=1219558610/ref=sib_books_pg?ie=UTF8&keywords=asplode&p=S017 Amazon.com].

== Official Rock-Paper-Scissors Strategy Guide ==
In a sample tournament bracket in this book on page 163, one of the players is Trogdor.

==The Picture of Everything 2==
[http://www.howardhallis.com/artgallery/tpoe2/index.html In this work in progress] among the characters in this scene are [[Strong Bad]] and [[Homestar Runner]]. Strong Bad is to the left of the Enterprise bridge, slightly right of center image. Homestar is below the right side of the Rolling Stone magazine cover, in the bottom left.

==The Prosh==
In the 2008 edition of this annual Western Australian satirical publication,
there is an image of Trogdor on an advertisement for a dragon-slayer on the back page.
In small text on the bottom, there is a message as follows- "Sorry. Trogdor will burninate your ****. Don't even bother."

== Pumpkin! ==
Around Halloween 2004, at "[http://www.osf.com/ The Old Spaghetti Factory]" restaurant in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (a fairly [http://www.osf.com/locations/alllocations.html large] [http://www.oldspaghettifactory.ca/locations.html chain], and a higher class restaurant), they had a large collection of carved pumpkins all over the place, and one prominently placed pumpkin near the entrance had an excellently carved likeness of Homestar in it.



== Rialto Theatre ==
During the introduction to the weekly showings of the Rocky Horror Picture Show at the Rialto Theatre in Raleigh, North Carolina, a projector is frequently used to make The Cheat and Trogdor run across the screen.

==Secure Programming Cookbook for C and C++==
In the Acknowledgments section, they thank Strong Bad for teaching them how to type up a book while wearing boxing gloves.

==Shadowrun: Fourth Edition==
Shadowrun is a [[Wikipedia:Tabletop role-playing game|pen-and-paper RPG]] that combines elements of cyberpunk and fantasy. On page 87 (of the second printing), when discussing designing a character, it says (emphasis ours):
:Write down some quotes your character might say. Three or four should be good. Fiction is filled with characters that can be captured in a quote—everything from "Do you feel lucky, punk?" to "'''Double Deuce!'''"—capture our imaginations and give us something to hook a character on.

==Spaceshipper==
A couple of college students have created a game based on [[Spaceshipper]], one of the unplayble video games by [[Videlectrix]]. The game can be found [http://www.tomkortbeek.nl/space.html here].

== Super Size Me ==
In the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Super Size Me|Super Size Me]]'', there are a group of kids at the computer watching an old Tandy era Strong Bad Email.
[[Category: Sightings]]

==Switchfoot Podcast Episode 17==
In episode 17 of the offical [[Wikipedia:Switchfoot|Switchfoot]] Podcast, bassist [[Wikipedia:Tim Foreman|Tim Foreman]] is seen playing Trogdor on Guitar Hero II for most of the episode.

== The Toronto Star ==

In the May 13, 2008 edition of the [http://www.thestar.com Toronto Star], both in print and [http://www.thestar.com/article/424683 online], there was an article in the entertainment section about [[Wikipedia:WiiWare|WiiWare]]. Although the article itself made no reference, the picture is a screen shot of [[SBCG4AP|Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]].

== Untraceable ==
In one scene in the movie [[IMDB:tt0880578|Untraceable]] a person in a chatroom has [[Cheerleader]] from [[Teen Girl Squad]] as an avatar.

==WaTiki Waterpark==
The WaTiki Indoor Waterpark in Rapid City, South Dakota had, as a transition on their electronic billboard, Homestar Runner running across the board.

== Wil Wheaton's "Just a Geek" ==
In the introduction to [http://books.google.com/books?id=vjrNaFydsAIC this book], written by the actor-turned-author "Wil Wheaton" who once played Wesley Crusher on Star Trek; The Next Generation, the author mentions a converstaion with his wife that covered whether or not to bring his Trogdor shirt to a book signing.

==Wordplay==
In the documentary [[IMDB:tt0492506|Wordplay]], [http://rpipuzzleguy.livejournal.com/ Tyler Hinman] is seen wearing a [[Trogdor]] shirt. In fact, Hinman has worn the shirt during the final round of each of the four [http://www.crosswordtournament.com/ American Crossword Puzzle Tournaments] he has won. He can be seen wearing the shirt in the last image of [http://geekoutnewyork.com/2008/03/crossword.php this article about his 2008 win].

[[Category:Sightings]]

4 Gregs

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[[Image:FourGregs.png|200px|thumb|"Not one, not two, not three, not five, four Gregs."]]

[[The Gregs]] go to a varsity football game.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Science Fiction Greg]], [[D N'D Greg]], [[Open Source Greg]], [[Japanese Culture Greg]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, Short Girl, Mascot/Regular Greg, Color Guard Maiden, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}

'''Places:''' Football Stadium, [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 16, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:20

'''Page Title:''' I knew they'd come back to me...

==Transcript==
''{"4 Gregs" appears in the center of the screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 5 appear, and each number is crossed out over the next line.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Not one, not two, not three, not five...

''{"4 Gregs" appears again.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{Science Fiction Greg appears, holding a bubbly-looking toy gun.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Sci Fi Greg! One Greg!

''{Science Fiction Greg holds up one finger. Cut to D N'D Greg holding a twenty-sided die.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' D N'D Greg! Two Greg!

''{D N'D Greg holds up two fingers. Cut to Open Source Greg holding a laptop.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Open Source Greg! Three Greg!

''{Open Source Greg holds up three fingers. Cut to Japanese Culture Greg, holding an anime-like action figure.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Japanese Culture Greg, four Greg! ''{Japanese Culture Greg holds up four fingers.}'' Four Gregs!

''{"4 Gregs" appears again. Cut to the four Gregs standing together.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Shields up, everyone. I figured out what we're doing tonight, and it's not any of the stuff you're about to suggest.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Play some serious tabletop—

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Staring at vinyl figurines?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Downloading several hours of—

'''ALL GREGS EXCEPT SCI-FI GREG:''' ''{disappointed}'' Oh.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Tonight, new Earthlings... tonight, we go... TO A VARSITY FOOTBALL GAME!

'''OTHER THREE GREGS:''' ''{gasp, with the word "Gasp!" drawn above them}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' Into the dragon's lair?

''{The text bubble remains the same but points to Japanese Culture Greg, with the word "Robotic" inserted into the sentence as he says it.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Into the robotic dragon's lair?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Into the Apple store? ''{As he says "Apple", the text bubble has a "bite" taken out of it, and a leaf appears on it.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' That's right. It's the one time we can co-exist at the same social function with football players, but they will be powerless to ridicule and/or wedgie us!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Revenge is at hand!

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Huzzah!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{his head suddenly looks extremely animeish}'' Otaku!

''{Cut to the back of a football player wearing a jersey that reads "AT THE GAME", with "888" written below it. Then cut to a set of stands. All of the Gregs except Open Source Greg are visible.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Here we are. In the middle of it all!

''{Cut back to show that the three Gregs are sitting in the corner of the stands, and there is a huge radius around them where no one else is sitting; the stands are otherwise packed. There are 14:54 left on the clock, the Growlbacks have "000000" points, and the "Visitor" has 24 points.}''

'''CROWD:''' YAY!!!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' How does football work again?

''{Cut to a closeup of the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Is it anything like drift racing?

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, I think there are some foots ''{said to rhyme with "loots"}''... and uh... perchance a balls?

''{Cut to a closeup of D N'D Greg. He's smiling and has sharp teeth. A scroll appears next to him, which he begins to read:}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' The offensive team has four chances to advance the ball ten yards at a time with the objective being...

''{D N'D Greg cuts off. The other two Gregs are visibly confused. D N'D Greg looks at them with annoyance. Crickets chirp.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' It's like I don't even know you anymore.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Fantasy football still counts as fantasy!

''{Open Source Greg appears, holding a box of food.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Gentlemen, I've taken advantage in a security flaw in the concession stand mainframe and bit-torrented us some Sugar Daddys and hot dogs!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' But the concession stand is just some booster club okasan ''{the word in the text bubble is "moms" until he gets to it; his face returns to the "anime" style on that word alone}'' with a shoebox full of ones.

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Then who did I launch my denial of service attack against?

''{Cut to a drawing of a computer screen. On the screen is a web browser viewing the page "www.tompkins.tv", which is for "Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service". Tompkins' face is in the middle of the screen. The page has been viewed "2.4" times.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice; the word appears across the screen as he says it}'' HAXXORED!!!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Ow! All my client!

''{Cut back to the game. D N'D and Science Fiction Greg are in the background, as Cheerleader and a short bespectacled girl in braces walk by.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Didja hear when we walked through the seniors' section? That one boy only got BOTH my names wrong!

'''SHORT GIRL:''' You have been chosen.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, Cheerleader, shouldn't you be out—

''{Cut to a closeup of his mouth, showing misshapen teeth.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uuuuuhhhhhh...

''{Cut back.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' —leading cheers?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' No, I'm more a cheerleader in the way I dress... and in the way I treat other girls.

'''SHORT GIRL:''' That's right.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{smacks the short girl, yelling:}'' YOU DON'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO!

''{Cut to a ratty-looking mascot.}''

'''MASCOT:''' COME ON GROWLBACKS! WE'RE NOT DEAD! AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD!

''{He does a cartwheel near an exasperated-looking color guard member.}''

'''MASCOT:''' YAAAAY!

''{Cut to D N'D Greg.}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' That level 4 shambling Krenshar is attacking that slightly attractive, slightly overweight color guard maiden!

''{He is then seen stomping on the mascot. The color guard member smirks lightly.}''

'''MASCOT:''' Oh! Crap! Dang! Ribs! Oof!

''{He takes off the mascot head.}''

'''REGULAR GREG:''' Stop! It's just me, Regular Greg from AP Calculus!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Trying to take human form, eh? I'll not fall for your sorcery, shapeshifter!

''{He continues stomping on Regular Greg. Cut to a hot dog with a face.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Halftime!

''{Cut to Science Fiction Greg.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' There's a... halph-thyme?

''{Cut back to all four Gregs.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Uh-oh.

''{A bunch of football players crowd around the Gregs and chuckle to themselves. Cut to a scene of some underwear and jock straps flying around, with the words "EXPLiCiT WEDGiE!!" in the middle.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' EXPLICIT WEDGIE!!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad. They've actually been the ones drawing the cartoon. They laugh as "HA HA HA HA"s move around above them.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Those Gregs are such losers!

''{Cut to the Gregs. They've actually been drawing the Teen Girl Squad drawing the cartoon.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Hey! No way! Whats-Her-Face would totally come to my defense!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad, with Cheerleader drawing the previous scene.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Ew! Don't put that! No I wouldn't!

''{Cut to the Gregs, as D N'D Greg draws the previous scene.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Now make them have a pillow fight!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Make them play with action figures!

''{Cut to the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{with his anime face}'' AKIHABARA!

''{The Teen Girl Squad}''

'''SO AND SO:''' So good!

''{Gregs}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' SWORDS!

''{Girls}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' BOYS!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, drawing that last scene, falling over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Waugh!!

''{He weakly holds up one hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's... over?

''{Cut to the "4 Gregs" screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* [[Wikipedia:Drifting (motorsport)|Drift racing]] is a style of car racing originating in Japan where drivers slide or drift through corners at high speed.
* [[Wikipedia:Otaku|Otaku]] is a Japanese word denoting a fan of something. Outside of Japan, it denotes specifically a fan of Japanese popular culture. While the term is frequently adopted enthusiastically by non-Japanese individuals like Japanese Culture Greg, in Japan the word can have a negative connotation.
* [[Wikipedia:Akihabara|Akihabara]] is a shopping district of Tokyo specializing in electronics, computers, and pop-culture goods.
* "Okasan", properly romanized as "okāsan" or "okaasan", is a formal word for "mother" in Japanese.
* A [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]] is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users and is often considered a crime.
* [[Wikipedia:BitTorrent_(protocol)|BitTorrent]] is a peer-to-peer file sharing protocol used for sharing large amounts of data.
* [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_to_beat_the_spread "Beating the spread"] is a phrase in [[Wikipedia:Spread betting|spread betting]] referring to whether the difference of the two scores in the outcome of an event is above or below a predetermined amount.
* [[Wikipedia:Open source|Open source]] is an approach to computer software design, development, and distribution offering practical accessibility to a product's source (goods and knowledge).

===Trivia===
* The 4 Gregs comic is drawn on hexagonal-grid paper, commonly used for table top role playing games.
* The toons menu description reads "The spin-off no one was asking for!"
* The full text of the scroll with the rules of football reads:
<blockquote>The offensive team has 4 
chances to advance the ball 
10 yards at a time with the 
objective being to cross the 
opposing teams goal line 
using either running plays 
or passing plays or any 
combination thereof.</blockquote>
*[http://tompkins.tv/ Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service] later became a real website, containing a link to the 4 Gregs toon, and a link to this page.

===Remarks===
* During the title sequence, D N'D Greg, Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg have four, four, and five fingers per hand, respectively, despite the fact that all the Gregs (and indeed almost all Teen Girl Squad characters) are normally drawn with only three fingers per hand.
*The notion for a spinoff based on the Gregs was previously entertained in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]] for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]].
*The TV Time [[HR:menuswfs/menu_4gregs.swf|menu preview]] shows Japanese Culture Greg holding a different robot from that shown in the actual toon.
*Despite the title, there are "5 Gregs" that appear in this toon.

===Inside References===
* Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg were previously seen, though unnamed at the time, in the Easter egg for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
** The page title is also a reference to that issue.
*This is another appearance of [[thyme]] and [[Internet slang]].
*D N'D Greg has [[fangs]] when explaining football with the scroll.
*The toons menu description is a reference to the Easter egg in [[Teen Girl Squad issue 14]].
* "Ow! All my client!" is another use of [[Ow! My X!]].
* The Mascot stating "AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD" in his cheer is an instance of [[gambling]].
* Science Fiction Greg believes that What's Her Face will defend him because they dated previously, as revealed in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
* "Halph-thyme" is another instance of [[homophones]].
* Tompkins saying "Ow! All my client!" is an example of [[Singular Instead of Plural]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Speechbapple.PNG|thumb|"Into the Apple store?"]]
*Open Source Greg mentions the [[Wikipedia:Apple Store|Apple Store]]. As he does this, the edge of his speech bubble turns into Apple's logo.
**Describing the Apple Store as a "robotic dragon's lair" is a reference to the [http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge Apple iPhone challenge].
* The text on Cheerleader's shirt is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Hollaback Girl|Hollaback Girl]].
* A [[Wikipedia:Sugar Daddy (candy)|Sugar Daddy]] is a caramel lollipop made by Tootsie Roll Industries.
* Open Source Greg's laptop/hot dog box has a picture of a penguin on it, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tux|Tux]], the mascot of the open source operating system [[Wikipedia:Linux kernel|Linux]].
* The "shambling Krenshar" that D N'D Greg mentions is a melding of the names of two monsters from [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]]. The [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Shambling_mound shambling mound] is a carnivorous ambulatory plant monster, and the [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Krenshar krenshar] is a feline predator that can retract the skin on its face to frighten opponents.
*"Ow! All my client!" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All your base are belong to us]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:4gregs.html|Watch "4 Gregs"]]
*[[HR:4gregs.swf|View the Flash file for "4 Gregs"]]
*[[Forum:15115|Forum thread RE: "4 Gregs"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Shorts]][[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

4 Gregs

2009-02-17T18:44:01Z

Nerd42:

{{abouttoon}} {{for|squad of [[characters]]|The Gregs}}
{{toonnav|Shorts|4gregs|Best Caper Ever|Strong Bad Sings}}
[[Image:FourGregs.png|200px|thumb|"Not one, not two, not three, not five, four Gregs."]]

[[The Gregs]] go to a varsity football game.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Science Fiction Greg]], [[D N'D Greg]], [[Open Source Greg]], [[Japanese Culture Greg]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, Short Girl, Mascot/Regular Greg, Color Guard Maiden, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}

'''Places:''' Football Stadium, [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 16, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:20

'''Page Title:''' I knew they'd come back to me...

==Transcript==
''{"4 Gregs" appears in the center of the screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 5 appear, and each number is crossed out over the next line.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Not one, not two, not three, not five...

''{"4 Gregs" appears again.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{Science Fiction Greg appears, holding a bubbly-looking toy gun.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Sci Fi Greg! One Greg!

''{Science Fiction Greg holds up one finger. Cut to D N'D Greg holding a twenty-sided die.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' D N'D Greg! Two Greg!

''{D N'D Greg holds up two fingers. Cut to Open Source Greg holding a laptop.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Open Source Greg! Three Greg!

''{Open Source Greg holds up three fingers. Cut to Japanese Culture Greg, holding an anime-like action figure.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Japanese Culture Greg, four Greg! ''{Japanese Culture Greg holds up four fingers.}'' Four Gregs!

''{"4 Gregs" appears again. Cut to the four Gregs standing together.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Shields up, everyone. I figured out what we're doing tonight, and it's not any of the stuff you're about to suggest.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Play some serious tabletop—

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Staring at vinyl figurines?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Downloading several hours of—

'''ALL GREGS EXCEPT SCI-FI GREG:''' ''{disappointed}'' Oh.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Tonight, new Earthlings... tonight, we go... TO A VARSITY FOOTBALL GAME!

'''OTHER THREE GREGS:''' ''{gasp, with the word "Gasp!" drawn above them}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' Into the dragon's lair?

''{The text bubble remains the same but points to Japanese Culture Greg, with the word "Robotic" inserted into the sentence as he says it.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Into the robotic dragon's lair?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Into the Apple store? ''{As he says "Apple", the text bubble has a "bite" taken out of it, and a leaf appears on it.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' That's right. It's the one time we can co-exist at the same social function with football players, but they will be powerless to ridicule and/or wedgie us!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Revenge is at hand!

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Huzzah!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{his head suddenly looks extremely animeish}'' Otaku!

''{Cut to the back of a football player wearing a jersey that reads "AT THE GAME", with "888" written below it. Then cut to a set of stands. All of the Gregs except Open Source Greg are visible.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Here we are. In the middle of it all!

''{Cut back to show that the three Gregs are sitting in the corner of the stands, and there is a huge radius around them where no one else is sitting; the stands are otherwise packed. There are 14:54 left on the clock, the Growlbacks have "000000" points, and the "Visitor" has 24 points.}''

'''CROWD:''' YAY!!!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' How does football work again?

''{Cut to a closeup of the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Is it anything like drift racing?

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, I think there are some foots ''{said to rhyme with "loots"}''... and uh... perchance a balls?

''{Cut to a closeup of D N'D Greg. He's smiling and has sharp teeth. A scroll appears next to him, which he begins to read:}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' The offensive team has four chances to advance the ball ten yards at a time with the objective being...

''{D N'D Greg cuts off. The other two Gregs are visibly confused. D N'D Greg looks at them with annoyance. Crickets chirp.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' It's like I don't even know you anymore.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Fantasy football still counts as fantasy!

''{Open Source Greg appears, holding a box of food.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Gentlemen, I've taken advantage in a security flaw in the concession stand mainframe and bit-torrented us some Sugar Daddys and hot dogs!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' But the concession stand is just some booster club okasan ''{the word in the text bubble is "moms" until he gets to it; his face returns to the "anime" style on that word alone}'' with a shoebox full of ones.

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Then who did I launch my denial of service attack against?

''{Cut to a drawing of a computer screen. On the screen is a web browser viewing the page "www.tompkins.tv", which is for "Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service". Tompkins' face is in the middle of the screen. The page has been viewed "2.4" times.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice; the word appears across the screen as he says it}'' HAXXORED!!!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Ow! All my client!

''{Cut back to the game. D N'D and Science Fiction Greg are in the background, as Cheerleader and a short bespectacled girl in braces walk by.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Didja hear when we walked through the seniors' section? That one boy only got BOTH my names wrong!

'''SHORT GIRL:''' You have been chosen.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, Cheerleader, shouldn't you be out—

''{Cut to a closeup of his mouth, showing misshapen teeth.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uuuuuhhhhhh...

''{Cut back.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' —leading cheers?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' No, I'm more a cheerleader in the way I dress... and in the way I treat other girls.

'''SHORT GIRL:''' That's right.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{smacks the short girl, yelling:}'' YOU DON'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO!

''{Cut to a ratty-looking mascot.}''

'''MASCOT:''' COME ON GROWLBACKS! WE'RE NOT DEAD! AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD!

''{He does a cartwheel near an exasperated-looking color guard member.}''

'''MASCOT:''' YAAAAY!

''{Cut to D N'D Greg.}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' That level 4 shambling Krenshar is attacking that slightly attractive, slightly overweight color guard maiden!

''{He is then seen stomping on the mascot. The color guard member smirks lightly.}''

'''MASCOT:''' Oh! Crap! Dang! Ribs! Oof!

''{He takes off the mascot head.}''

'''REGULAR GREG:''' Stop! It's just me, Regular Greg from AP Calculus!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Trying to take human form, eh? I'll not fall for your sorcery, shapeshifter!

''{He continues stomping on Regular Greg. Cut to a hot dog with a face.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Halftime!

''{Cut to Science Fiction Greg.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' There's a... halph-thyme?

''{Cut back to all four Gregs.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Uh-oh.

''{A bunch of football players crowd around the Gregs and chuckle to themselves. Cut to a scene of some underwear and jock straps flying around, with the words "EXPLiCiT WEDGiE!!" in the middle.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' EXPLICIT WEDGIE!!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad. They've actually been the ones drawing the cartoon. They laugh as "HA HA HA HA"s move around above them.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Those Gregs are such losers!

''{Cut to the Gregs. They've actually been drawing the Teen Girl Squad drawing the cartoon.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Hey! No way! Whats-Her-Face would totally come to my defense!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad, with Cheerleader drawing the previous scene.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Ew! Don't put that! No I wouldn't!

''{Cut to the Gregs, as D N'D Greg draws the previous scene.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Now make them have a pillow fight!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Make them play with action figures!

''{Cut to the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{with his anime face}'' AKIHABARA!

''{The Teen Girl Squad}''

'''SO AND SO:''' So good!

''{Gregs}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' SWORDS!

''{Girls}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' BOYS!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, drawing that last scene, falling over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Waugh!!

''{He weakly holds up one hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's... over?

''{Cut to the "4 Gregs" screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* [[Wikipedia:Drifting (motorsport)|Drift racing]] is a style of car racing originating in Japan where drivers slide or drift through corners at high speed.
* [[Wikipedia:Otaku|Otaku]] is a Japanese word denoting a fan of something. Outside of Japan, it denotes specifically a fan of Japanese popular culture. While the term is frequently adopted enthusiastically by non-Japanese individuals like Japanese Culture Greg, in Japan the word can have a negative connotation.
* [[Wikipedia:Akihabara|Akihabara]] is a shopping district of Tokyo specializing in electronics, computers, and pop-culture goods.
* "Okasan", properly romanized as "okāsan" or "okaasan", is a formal word for "mother" in Japanese.
* A [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]] is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users and is often considered a crime.
* [[Wikipedia:BitTorrent_(protocol)|BitTorrent]] is a peer-to-peer file sharing protocol used for sharing large amounts of data.
* [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_to_beat_the_spread "Beating the spread"] is a phrase in [[Wikipedia:Spread betting|spread betting]] referring to whether the difference of the two scores in the outcome of an event is above or below a predetermined amount.
* [[Wikipedia:Open source|Open source]] is an approach to computer software design, development, and distribution offering practical accessibility to a product's source (goods and knowledge).

===Trivia===
* The 4 Gregs comic is drawn on hexagonal-grid paper, commonly used for table top role playing games.
* The toons menu description reads "The spin-off no one was asking for!"
* The full text of the scroll with the rules of football reads:
<blockquote>The offensive team has 4 
chances to advance the ball 
10 yards at a time with the 
objective being to cross the 
opposing teams goal line 
using either running plays 
or passing plays or any 
combination thereof.</blockquote>
*[http://tompkins.tv/ Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service] later became a real website, containing a link to the 4 Gregs toon, and a link to this page.

===Remarks===
* During the title sequence, D N'D Greg, Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg have four, four, and five fingers per hand, respectively, despite the fact that all the Gregs (and indeed almost all Teen Girl Squad characters) are normally drawn with only three fingers per hand.
*The notion for a spinoff based on the Gregs was previously entertained in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]] for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]].
*The TV Time [[HR:menuswfs/menu_4gregs.swf|menu preview]] shows Japanese Culture Greg holding a different robot from that shown in the actual toon.
*Despite the title, there are "5 Gregs" that appear in this toon.

===Inside References===
* Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg were previously seen, though unnamed at the time, in the Easter egg for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
** The page title is also a reference to that issue.
*This is another appearance of [[thyme]] and [[Internet slang]].
*D N'D Greg has [[fangs]] when explaining football with the scroll.
*The toons menu description is a reference to the Easter egg in [[Teen Girl Squad issue 14]].
* "Ow! All my client!" is another use of [[Ow! My X!]].
* The Mascot stating "AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD" in his cheer is an instance of [[gambling]].
* Science Fiction Greg believes that What's Her Face will defend him because they dated previously, as revealed in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
* "Halph-thyme" is another instance of [[homophones]].
* Tompkins saying "Ow! All my client!" is an example of [[Singular Instead of Plural]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Speechbapple.PNG|thumb|"Into the Apple store?"]]
*Open Source Greg mentions the [[Wikipedia:Apple Store|Apple Store]]. As he does this, the edge of his speech bubble turns into Apple's logo.
**The Apple Store as a replacement for a "dragon's lair" is a reference to the [http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge Apple iPhone challenge].
* The text on Cheerleader's shirt is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Hollaback Girl|Hollaback Girl]].
* A [[Wikipedia:Sugar Daddy (candy)|Sugar Daddy]] is a caramel lollipop made by Tootsie Roll Industries.
* Open Source Greg's laptop/hot dog box has a picture of a penguin on it, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tux|Tux]], the mascot of the open source operating system [[Wikipedia:Linux kernel|Linux]].
* The "shambling Krenshar" that D N'D Greg mentions is a melding of the names of two monsters from [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]]. The [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Shambling_mound shambling mound] is a carnivorous ambulatory plant monster, and the [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Krenshar krenshar] is a feline predator that can retract the skin on its face to frighten opponents.
*"Ow! All my client!" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All your base are belong to us]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:4gregs.html|Watch "4 Gregs"]]
*[[HR:4gregs.swf|View the Flash file for "4 Gregs"]]
*[[Forum:15115|Forum thread RE: "4 Gregs"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Shorts]][[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

4 Gregs

2009-02-17T18:43:02Z

Nerd42: /* Explanations */

{{abouttoon}} {{for|squad of [[characters]]|The Gregs}}
{{toonnav|Shorts|4gregs|Best Caper Ever|Strong Bad Sings}}
[[Image:FourGregs.png|200px|thumb|"Not one, not two, not three, not five, four Gregs."]]

[[The Gregs]] go to a varsity football game.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Science Fiction Greg]], [[D N'D Greg]], [[Open Source Greg]], [[Japanese Culture Greg]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, Short Girl, Mascot/Regular Greg, Color Guard Maiden, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}

'''Places:''' Football Stadium, [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 16, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:20

'''Page Title:''' I knew they'd come back to me...

==Transcript==
''{"4 Gregs" appears in the center of the screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 5 appear, and each number is crossed out over the next line.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Not one, not two, not three, not five...

''{"4 Gregs" appears again.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{Science Fiction Greg appears, holding a bubbly-looking toy gun.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Sci Fi Greg! One Greg!

''{Science Fiction Greg holds up one finger. Cut to D N'D Greg holding a twenty-sided die.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' D N'D Greg! Two Greg!

''{D N'D Greg holds up two fingers. Cut to Open Source Greg holding a laptop.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Open Source Greg! Three Greg!

''{Open Source Greg holds up three fingers. Cut to Japanese Culture Greg, holding an anime-like action figure.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Japanese Culture Greg, four Greg! ''{Japanese Culture Greg holds up four fingers.}'' Four Gregs!

''{"4 Gregs" appears again. Cut to the four Gregs standing together.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Shields up, everyone. I figured out what we're doing tonight, and it's not any of the stuff you're about to suggest.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Play some serious tabletop—

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Staring at vinyl figurines?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Downloading several hours of—

'''ALL GREGS EXCEPT SCI-FI GREG:''' ''{disappointed}'' Oh.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Tonight, new Earthlings... tonight, we go... TO A VARSITY FOOTBALL GAME!

'''OTHER THREE GREGS:''' ''{gasp, with the word "Gasp!" drawn above them}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' Into the dragon's lair?

''{The text bubble remains the same but points to Japanese Culture Greg, with the word "Robotic" inserted into the sentence as he says it.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Into the robotic dragon's lair?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Into the Apple store? ''{As he says "Apple", the text bubble has a "bite" taken out of it, and a leaf appears on it.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' That's right. It's the one time we can co-exist at the same social function with football players, but they will be powerless to ridicule and/or wedgie us!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Revenge is at hand!

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Huzzah!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{his head suddenly looks extremely animeish}'' Otaku!

''{Cut to the back of a football player wearing a jersey that reads "AT THE GAME", with "888" written below it. Then cut to a set of stands. All of the Gregs except Open Source Greg are visible.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Here we are. In the middle of it all!

''{Cut back to show that the three Gregs are sitting in the corner of the stands, and there is a huge radius around them where no one else is sitting; the stands are otherwise packed. There are 14:54 left on the clock, the Growlbacks have "000000" points, and the "Visitor" has 24 points.}''

'''CROWD:''' YAY!!!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' How does football work again?

''{Cut to a closeup of the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Is it anything like drift racing?

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, I think there are some foots ''{said to rhyme with "loots"}''... and uh... perchance a balls?

''{Cut to a closeup of D N'D Greg. He's smiling and has sharp teeth. A scroll appears next to him, which he begins to read:}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' The offensive team has four chances to advance the ball ten yards at a time with the objective being...

''{D N'D Greg cuts off. The other two Gregs are visibly confused. D N'D Greg looks at them with annoyance. Crickets chirp.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' It's like I don't even know you anymore.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Fantasy football still counts as fantasy!

''{Open Source Greg appears, holding a box of food.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Gentlemen, I've taken advantage in a security flaw in the concession stand mainframe and bit-torrented us some Sugar Daddys and hot dogs!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' But the concession stand is just some booster club okasan ''{the word in the text bubble is "moms" until he gets to it; his face returns to the "anime" style on that word alone}'' with a shoebox full of ones.

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Then who did I launch my denial of service attack against?

''{Cut to a drawing of a computer screen. On the screen is a web browser viewing the page "www.tompkins.tv", which is for "Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service". Tompkins' face is in the middle of the screen. The page has been viewed "2.4" times.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice; the word appears across the screen as he says it}'' HAXXORED!!!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Ow! All my client!

''{Cut back to the game. D N'D and Science Fiction Greg are in the background, as Cheerleader and a short bespectacled girl in braces walk by.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Didja hear when we walked through the seniors' section? That one boy only got BOTH my names wrong!

'''SHORT GIRL:''' You have been chosen.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, Cheerleader, shouldn't you be out—

''{Cut to a closeup of his mouth, showing misshapen teeth.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uuuuuhhhhhh...

''{Cut back.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' —leading cheers?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' No, I'm more a cheerleader in the way I dress... and in the way I treat other girls.

'''SHORT GIRL:''' That's right.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{smacks the short girl, yelling:}'' YOU DON'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO!

''{Cut to a ratty-looking mascot.}''

'''MASCOT:''' COME ON GROWLBACKS! WE'RE NOT DEAD! AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD!

''{He does a cartwheel near an exasperated-looking color guard member.}''

'''MASCOT:''' YAAAAY!

''{Cut to D N'D Greg.}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' That level 4 shambling Krenshar is attacking that slightly attractive, slightly overweight color guard maiden!

''{He is then seen stomping on the mascot. The color guard member smirks lightly.}''

'''MASCOT:''' Oh! Crap! Dang! Ribs! Oof!

''{He takes off the mascot head.}''

'''REGULAR GREG:''' Stop! It's just me, Regular Greg from AP Calculus!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Trying to take human form, eh? I'll not fall for your sorcery, shapeshifter!

''{He continues stomping on Regular Greg. Cut to a hot dog with a face.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Halftime!

''{Cut to Science Fiction Greg.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' There's a... halph-thyme?

''{Cut back to all four Gregs.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Uh-oh.

''{A bunch of football players crowd around the Gregs and chuckle to themselves. Cut to a scene of some underwear and jock straps flying around, with the words "EXPLiCiT WEDGiE!!" in the middle.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' EXPLICIT WEDGIE!!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad. They've actually been the ones drawing the cartoon. They laugh as "HA HA HA HA"s move around above them.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Those Gregs are such losers!

''{Cut to the Gregs. They've actually been drawing the Teen Girl Squad drawing the cartoon.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Hey! No way! Whats-Her-Face would totally come to my defense!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad, with Cheerleader drawing the previous scene.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Ew! Don't put that! No I wouldn't!

''{Cut to the Gregs, as D N'D Greg draws the previous scene.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Now make them have a pillow fight!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Make them play with action figures!

''{Cut to the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{with his anime face}'' AKIHABARA!

''{The Teen Girl Squad}''

'''SO AND SO:''' So good!

''{Gregs}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' SWORDS!

''{Girls}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' BOYS!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, drawing that last scene, falling over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Waugh!!

''{He weakly holds up one hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's... over?

''{Cut to the "4 Gregs" screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* [[Wikipedia:Drifting (motorsport)|Drift racing]] is a style of car racing originating in Japan where drivers slide or drift through corners at high speed.
* [[Wikipedia:Otaku|Otaku]] is a Japanese word denoting a fan of something. Outside of Japan, it denotes specifically a fan of Japanese popular culture. While the term is frequently adopted enthusiastically by non-Japanese individuals like Japanese Culture Greg, in Japan the word can have a negative connotation.
* [[Wikipedia:Akihabara|Akihabara]] is a shopping district of Tokyo specializing in electronics, computers, and pop-culture goods.
* "Okasan", properly romanized as "okāsan" or "okaasan", is a formal word for "mother" in Japanese.
* A [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]] is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users and is often considered a crime.
* [[Wikipedia:BitTorrent_(protocol)|BitTorrent]] is a peer-to-peer file sharing protocol used for sharing large amounts of data.
* [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_to_beat_the_spread "Beating the spread"] is a phrase in [[Wikipedia:Spread betting|spread betting]] referring to whether the difference of the two scores in the outcome of an event is above or below a predetermined amount.
* [[Wikipedia:Open source|Open source]] is an approach to computer software design, development, and distribution offering practical accessibility to a product's source (goods and knowledge).
* The Apple Store as a replacement for a "dragon's lair" is a reference to the [http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge Apple iPhone challenge].

===Trivia===
* The 4 Gregs comic is drawn on hexagonal-grid paper, commonly used for table top role playing games.
* The toons menu description reads "The spin-off no one was asking for!"
* The full text of the scroll with the rules of football reads:
<blockquote>The offensive team has 4 
chances to advance the ball 
10 yards at a time with the 
objective being to cross the 
opposing teams goal line 
using either running plays 
or passing plays or any 
combination thereof.</blockquote>
*[http://tompkins.tv/ Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service] later became a real website, containing a link to the 4 Gregs toon, and a link to this page.

===Remarks===
* During the title sequence, D N'D Greg, Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg have four, four, and five fingers per hand, respectively, despite the fact that all the Gregs (and indeed almost all Teen Girl Squad characters) are normally drawn with only three fingers per hand.
*The notion for a spinoff based on the Gregs was previously entertained in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]] for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]].
*The TV Time [[HR:menuswfs/menu_4gregs.swf|menu preview]] shows Japanese Culture Greg holding a different robot from that shown in the actual toon.
*Despite the title, there are "5 Gregs" that appear in this toon.

===Inside References===
* Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg were previously seen, though unnamed at the time, in the Easter egg for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
** The page title is also a reference to that issue.
*This is another appearance of [[thyme]] and [[Internet slang]].
*D N'D Greg has [[fangs]] when explaining football with the scroll.
*The toons menu description is a reference to the Easter egg in [[Teen Girl Squad issue 14]].
* "Ow! All my client!" is another use of [[Ow! My X!]].
* The Mascot stating "AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD" in his cheer is an instance of [[gambling]].
* Science Fiction Greg believes that What's Her Face will defend him because they dated previously, as revealed in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
* "Halph-thyme" is another instance of [[homophones]].
* Tompkins saying "Ow! All my client!" is an example of [[Singular Instead of Plural]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Speechbapple.PNG|thumb|"Into the Apple store?"]]
*Open Source Greg mentions the [[Wikipedia:Apple Store|Apple Store]]. As he does this, the edge of his speech bubble turns into Apple's logo.
* The text on Cheerleader's shirt is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Hollaback Girl|Hollaback Girl]].
* A [[Wikipedia:Sugar Daddy (candy)|Sugar Daddy]] is a caramel lollipop made by Tootsie Roll Industries.
* Open Source Greg's laptop/hot dog box has a picture of a penguin on it, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tux|Tux]], the mascot of the open source operating system [[Wikipedia:Linux kernel|Linux]].
* The "shambling Krenshar" that D N'D Greg mentions is a melding of the names of two monsters from [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]]. The [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Shambling_mound shambling mound] is a carnivorous ambulatory plant monster, and the [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Krenshar krenshar] is a feline predator that can retract the skin on its face to frighten opponents.
*"Ow! All my client!" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All your base are belong to us]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:4gregs.html|Watch "4 Gregs"]]
*[[HR:4gregs.swf|View the Flash file for "4 Gregs"]]
*[[Forum:15115|Forum thread RE: "4 Gregs"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Shorts]][[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

4 Gregs

2009-02-17T18:41:58Z

Nerd42: /* Explanations */

{{abouttoon}} {{for|squad of [[characters]]|The Gregs}}
{{toonnav|Shorts|4gregs|Best Caper Ever|Strong Bad Sings}}
[[Image:FourGregs.png|200px|thumb|"Not one, not two, not three, not five, four Gregs."]]

[[The Gregs]] go to a varsity football game.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Science Fiction Greg]], [[D N'D Greg]], [[Open Source Greg]], [[Japanese Culture Greg]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, Short Girl, Mascot/Regular Greg, Color Guard Maiden, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}

'''Places:''' Football Stadium, [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 16, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:20

'''Page Title:''' I knew they'd come back to me...

==Transcript==
''{"4 Gregs" appears in the center of the screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 5 appear, and each number is crossed out over the next line.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Not one, not two, not three, not five...

''{"4 Gregs" appears again.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{Science Fiction Greg appears, holding a bubbly-looking toy gun.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Sci Fi Greg! One Greg!

''{Science Fiction Greg holds up one finger. Cut to D N'D Greg holding a twenty-sided die.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' D N'D Greg! Two Greg!

''{D N'D Greg holds up two fingers. Cut to Open Source Greg holding a laptop.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Open Source Greg! Three Greg!

''{Open Source Greg holds up three fingers. Cut to Japanese Culture Greg, holding an anime-like action figure.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Japanese Culture Greg, four Greg! ''{Japanese Culture Greg holds up four fingers.}'' Four Gregs!

''{"4 Gregs" appears again. Cut to the four Gregs standing together.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Shields up, everyone. I figured out what we're doing tonight, and it's not any of the stuff you're about to suggest.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Play some serious tabletop—

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Staring at vinyl figurines?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Downloading several hours of—

'''ALL GREGS EXCEPT SCI-FI GREG:''' ''{disappointed}'' Oh.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Tonight, new Earthlings... tonight, we go... TO A VARSITY FOOTBALL GAME!

'''OTHER THREE GREGS:''' ''{gasp, with the word "Gasp!" drawn above them}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' Into the dragon's lair?

''{The text bubble remains the same but points to Japanese Culture Greg, with the word "Robotic" inserted into the sentence as he says it.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Into the robotic dragon's lair?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Into the Apple store? ''{As he says "Apple", the text bubble has a "bite" taken out of it, and a leaf appears on it.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' That's right. It's the one time we can co-exist at the same social function with football players, but they will be powerless to ridicule and/or wedgie us!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Revenge is at hand!

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Huzzah!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{his head suddenly looks extremely animeish}'' Otaku!

''{Cut to the back of a football player wearing a jersey that reads "AT THE GAME", with "888" written below it. Then cut to a set of stands. All of the Gregs except Open Source Greg are visible.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Here we are. In the middle of it all!

''{Cut back to show that the three Gregs are sitting in the corner of the stands, and there is a huge radius around them where no one else is sitting; the stands are otherwise packed. There are 14:54 left on the clock, the Growlbacks have "000000" points, and the "Visitor" has 24 points.}''

'''CROWD:''' YAY!!!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' How does football work again?

''{Cut to a closeup of the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Is it anything like drift racing?

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, I think there are some foots ''{said to rhyme with "loots"}''... and uh... perchance a balls?

''{Cut to a closeup of D N'D Greg. He's smiling and has sharp teeth. A scroll appears next to him, which he begins to read:}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' The offensive team has four chances to advance the ball ten yards at a time with the objective being...

''{D N'D Greg cuts off. The other two Gregs are visibly confused. D N'D Greg looks at them with annoyance. Crickets chirp.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' It's like I don't even know you anymore.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Fantasy football still counts as fantasy!

''{Open Source Greg appears, holding a box of food.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Gentlemen, I've taken advantage in a security flaw in the concession stand mainframe and bit-torrented us some Sugar Daddys and hot dogs!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' But the concession stand is just some booster club okasan ''{the word in the text bubble is "moms" until he gets to it; his face returns to the "anime" style on that word alone}'' with a shoebox full of ones.

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Then who did I launch my denial of service attack against?

''{Cut to a drawing of a computer screen. On the screen is a web browser viewing the page "www.tompkins.tv", which is for "Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service". Tompkins' face is in the middle of the screen. The page has been viewed "2.4" times.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice; the word appears across the screen as he says it}'' HAXXORED!!!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Ow! All my client!

''{Cut back to the game. D N'D and Science Fiction Greg are in the background, as Cheerleader and a short bespectacled girl in braces walk by.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Didja hear when we walked through the seniors' section? That one boy only got BOTH my names wrong!

'''SHORT GIRL:''' You have been chosen.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, Cheerleader, shouldn't you be out—

''{Cut to a closeup of his mouth, showing misshapen teeth.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uuuuuhhhhhh...

''{Cut back.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' —leading cheers?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' No, I'm more a cheerleader in the way I dress... and in the way I treat other girls.

'''SHORT GIRL:''' That's right.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{smacks the short girl, yelling:}'' YOU DON'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO!

''{Cut to a ratty-looking mascot.}''

'''MASCOT:''' COME ON GROWLBACKS! WE'RE NOT DEAD! AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD!

''{He does a cartwheel near an exasperated-looking color guard member.}''

'''MASCOT:''' YAAAAY!

''{Cut to D N'D Greg.}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' That level 4 shambling Krenshar is attacking that slightly attractive, slightly overweight color guard maiden!

''{He is then seen stomping on the mascot. The color guard member smirks lightly.}''

'''MASCOT:''' Oh! Crap! Dang! Ribs! Oof!

''{He takes off the mascot head.}''

'''REGULAR GREG:''' Stop! It's just me, Regular Greg from AP Calculus!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Trying to take human form, eh? I'll not fall for your sorcery, shapeshifter!

''{He continues stomping on Regular Greg. Cut to a hot dog with a face.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Halftime!

''{Cut to Science Fiction Greg.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' There's a... halph-thyme?

''{Cut back to all four Gregs.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Uh-oh.

''{A bunch of football players crowd around the Gregs and chuckle to themselves. Cut to a scene of some underwear and jock straps flying around, with the words "EXPLiCiT WEDGiE!!" in the middle.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' EXPLICIT WEDGIE!!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad. They've actually been the ones drawing the cartoon. They laugh as "HA HA HA HA"s move around above them.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Those Gregs are such losers!

''{Cut to the Gregs. They've actually been drawing the Teen Girl Squad drawing the cartoon.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Hey! No way! Whats-Her-Face would totally come to my defense!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad, with Cheerleader drawing the previous scene.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Ew! Don't put that! No I wouldn't!

''{Cut to the Gregs, as D N'D Greg draws the previous scene.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Now make them have a pillow fight!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Make them play with action figures!

''{Cut to the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{with his anime face}'' AKIHABARA!

''{The Teen Girl Squad}''

'''SO AND SO:''' So good!

''{Gregs}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' SWORDS!

''{Girls}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' BOYS!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, drawing that last scene, falling over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Waugh!!

''{He weakly holds up one hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's... over?

''{Cut to the "4 Gregs" screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* [[Wikipedia:Drifting (motorsport)|Drift racing]] is a style of car racing originating in Japan where drivers slide or drift through corners at high speed.
* [[Wikipedia:Otaku|Otaku]] is a Japanese word denoting a fan of something. Outside of Japan, it denotes specifically a fan of Japanese popular culture. While the term is frequently adopted enthusiastically by non-Japanese individuals like Japanese Culture Greg, in Japan the word can have a negative connotation.
* [[Wikipedia:Akihabara|Akihabara]] is a shopping district of Tokyo specializing in electronics, computers, and pop-culture goods.
* "Okasan", properly romanized as "okāsan" or "okaasan", is a formal word for "mother" in Japanese.
* A [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]] is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users and is often considered a crime.
* [[Wikipedia:BitTorrent_(protocol)|BitTorrent]] is a peer-to-peer file sharing protocol used for sharing large amounts of data.
* [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_to_beat_the_spread "Beating the spread"] is a phrase in [[Wikipedia:Spread betting|spread betting]] referring to whether the difference of the two scores in the outcome of an event is above or below a predetermined amount.
* [[Wikipedia:Open source|Open source]] is an approach to computer software design, development, and distribution offering practical accessibility to a product's source (goods and knowledge).
* The Apple Store as a replacement for "dragon's lair" is a reference to the [http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge Apple iPhone challenge].

===Trivia===
* The 4 Gregs comic is drawn on hexagonal-grid paper, commonly used for table top role playing games.
* The toons menu description reads "The spin-off no one was asking for!"
* The full text of the scroll with the rules of football reads:
<blockquote>The offensive team has 4 
chances to advance the ball 
10 yards at a time with the 
objective being to cross the 
opposing teams goal line 
using either running plays 
or passing plays or any 
combination thereof.</blockquote>
*[http://tompkins.tv/ Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service] later became a real website, containing a link to the 4 Gregs toon, and a link to this page.

===Remarks===
* During the title sequence, D N'D Greg, Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg have four, four, and five fingers per hand, respectively, despite the fact that all the Gregs (and indeed almost all Teen Girl Squad characters) are normally drawn with only three fingers per hand.
*The notion for a spinoff based on the Gregs was previously entertained in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]] for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]].
*The TV Time [[HR:menuswfs/menu_4gregs.swf|menu preview]] shows Japanese Culture Greg holding a different robot from that shown in the actual toon.
*Despite the title, there are "5 Gregs" that appear in this toon.

===Inside References===
* Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg were previously seen, though unnamed at the time, in the Easter egg for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
** The page title is also a reference to that issue.
*This is another appearance of [[thyme]] and [[Internet slang]].
*D N'D Greg has [[fangs]] when explaining football with the scroll.
*The toons menu description is a reference to the Easter egg in [[Teen Girl Squad issue 14]].
* "Ow! All my client!" is another use of [[Ow! My X!]].
* The Mascot stating "AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD" in his cheer is an instance of [[gambling]].
* Science Fiction Greg believes that What's Her Face will defend him because they dated previously, as revealed in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
* "Halph-thyme" is another instance of [[homophones]].
* Tompkins saying "Ow! All my client!" is an example of [[Singular Instead of Plural]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Speechbapple.PNG|thumb|"Into the Apple store?"]]
*Open Source Greg mentions the [[Wikipedia:Apple Store|Apple Store]]. As he does this, the edge of his speech bubble turns into Apple's logo.
* The text on Cheerleader's shirt is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Hollaback Girl|Hollaback Girl]].
* A [[Wikipedia:Sugar Daddy (candy)|Sugar Daddy]] is a caramel lollipop made by Tootsie Roll Industries.
* Open Source Greg's laptop/hot dog box has a picture of a penguin on it, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tux|Tux]], the mascot of the open source operating system [[Wikipedia:Linux kernel|Linux]].
* The "shambling Krenshar" that D N'D Greg mentions is a melding of the names of two monsters from [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]]. The [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Shambling_mound shambling mound] is a carnivorous ambulatory plant monster, and the [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Krenshar krenshar] is a feline predator that can retract the skin on its face to frighten opponents.
*"Ow! All my client!" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All your base are belong to us]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:4gregs.html|Watch "4 Gregs"]]
*[[HR:4gregs.swf|View the Flash file for "4 Gregs"]]
*[[Forum:15115|Forum thread RE: "4 Gregs"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Shorts]][[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

4 Gregs

2009-02-17T18:41:17Z

Nerd42: /* Explanations */

{{abouttoon}} {{for|squad of [[characters]]|The Gregs}}
{{toonnav|Shorts|4gregs|Best Caper Ever|Strong Bad Sings}}
[[Image:FourGregs.png|200px|thumb|"Not one, not two, not three, not five, four Gregs."]]

[[The Gregs]] go to a varsity football game.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Science Fiction Greg]], [[D N'D Greg]], [[Open Source Greg]], [[Japanese Culture Greg]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, Short Girl, Mascot/Regular Greg, Color Guard Maiden, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}

'''Places:''' Football Stadium, [[Strong Bad's Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 16, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:20

'''Page Title:''' I knew they'd come back to me...

==Transcript==
''{"4 Gregs" appears in the center of the screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{The numbers 1, 2, 3, and 5 appear, and each number is crossed out over the next line.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Not one, not two, not three, not five...

''{"4 Gregs" appears again.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

''{Science Fiction Greg appears, holding a bubbly-looking toy gun.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Sci Fi Greg! One Greg!

''{Science Fiction Greg holds up one finger. Cut to D N'D Greg holding a twenty-sided die.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' D N'D Greg! Two Greg!

''{D N'D Greg holds up two fingers. Cut to Open Source Greg holding a laptop.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Open Source Greg! Three Greg!

''{Open Source Greg holds up three fingers. Cut to Japanese Culture Greg, holding an anime-like action figure.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Japanese Culture Greg, four Greg! ''{Japanese Culture Greg holds up four fingers.}'' Four Gregs!

''{"4 Gregs" appears again. Cut to the four Gregs standing together.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Shields up, everyone. I figured out what we're doing tonight, and it's not any of the stuff you're about to suggest.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Play some serious tabletop—

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Staring at vinyl figurines?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Downloading several hours of—

'''ALL GREGS EXCEPT SCI-FI GREG:''' ''{disappointed}'' Oh.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Tonight, new Earthlings... tonight, we go... TO A VARSITY FOOTBALL GAME!

'''OTHER THREE GREGS:''' ''{gasp, with the word "Gasp!" drawn above them}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' Into the dragon's lair?

''{The text bubble remains the same but points to Japanese Culture Greg, with the word "Robotic" inserted into the sentence as he says it.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Into the robotic dragon's lair?

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Into the Apple store? ''{As he says "Apple", the text bubble has a "bite" taken out of it, and a leaf appears on it.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' That's right. It's the one time we can co-exist at the same social function with football players, but they will be powerless to ridicule and/or wedgie us!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Revenge is at hand!

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Huzzah!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{his head suddenly looks extremely animeish}'' Otaku!

''{Cut to the back of a football player wearing a jersey that reads "AT THE GAME", with "888" written below it. Then cut to a set of stands. All of the Gregs except Open Source Greg are visible.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Here we are. In the middle of it all!

''{Cut back to show that the three Gregs are sitting in the corner of the stands, and there is a huge radius around them where no one else is sitting; the stands are otherwise packed. There are 14:54 left on the clock, the Growlbacks have "000000" points, and the "Visitor" has 24 points.}''

'''CROWD:''' YAY!!!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' How does football work again?

''{Cut to a closeup of the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' Is it anything like drift racing?

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, I think there are some foots ''{said to rhyme with "loots"}''... and uh... perchance a balls?

''{Cut to a closeup of D N'D Greg. He's smiling and has sharp teeth. A scroll appears next to him, which he begins to read:}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' The offensive team has four chances to advance the ball ten yards at a time with the objective being...

''{D N'D Greg cuts off. The other two Gregs are visibly confused. D N'D Greg looks at them with annoyance. Crickets chirp.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' It's like I don't even know you anymore.

'''D N'D GREG:''' Fantasy football still counts as fantasy!

''{Open Source Greg appears, holding a box of food.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Gentlemen, I've taken advantage in a security flaw in the concession stand mainframe and bit-torrented us some Sugar Daddys and hot dogs!

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' But the concession stand is just some booster club okasan ''{the word in the text bubble is "moms" until he gets to it; his face returns to the "anime" style on that word alone}'' with a shoebox full of ones.

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Then who did I launch my denial of service attack against?

''{Cut to a drawing of a computer screen. On the screen is a web browser viewing the page "www.tompkins.tv", which is for "Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service". Tompkins' face is in the middle of the screen. The page has been viewed "2.4" times.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice; the word appears across the screen as he says it}'' HAXXORED!!!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Ow! All my client!

''{Cut back to the game. D N'D and Science Fiction Greg are in the background, as Cheerleader and a short bespectacled girl in braces walk by.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Didja hear when we walked through the seniors' section? That one boy only got BOTH my names wrong!

'''SHORT GIRL:''' You have been chosen.

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uh, Cheerleader, shouldn't you be out—

''{Cut to a closeup of his mouth, showing misshapen teeth.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Uuuuuhhhhhh...

''{Cut back.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' —leading cheers?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' No, I'm more a cheerleader in the way I dress... and in the way I treat other girls.

'''SHORT GIRL:''' That's right.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{smacks the short girl, yelling:}'' YOU DON'T SPEAK UNLESS SPOKEN TO!

''{Cut to a ratty-looking mascot.}''

'''MASCOT:''' COME ON GROWLBACKS! WE'RE NOT DEAD! AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD!

''{He does a cartwheel near an exasperated-looking color guard member.}''

'''MASCOT:''' YAAAAY!

''{Cut to D N'D Greg.}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' That level 4 shambling Krenshar is attacking that slightly attractive, slightly overweight color guard maiden!

''{He is then seen stomping on the mascot. The color guard member smirks lightly.}''

'''MASCOT:''' Oh! Crap! Dang! Ribs! Oof!

''{He takes off the mascot head.}''

'''REGULAR GREG:''' Stop! It's just me, Regular Greg from AP Calculus!

'''D N'D GREG:''' Trying to take human form, eh? I'll not fall for your sorcery, shapeshifter!

''{He continues stomping on Regular Greg. Cut to a hot dog with a face.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Halftime!

''{Cut to Science Fiction Greg.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' There's a... halph-thyme?

''{Cut back to all four Gregs.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Uh-oh.

''{A bunch of football players crowd around the Gregs and chuckle to themselves. Cut to a scene of some underwear and jock straps flying around, with the words "EXPLiCiT WEDGiE!!" in the middle.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' EXPLICIT WEDGIE!!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad. They've actually been the ones drawing the cartoon. They laugh as "HA HA HA HA"s move around above them.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Those Gregs are such losers!

''{Cut to the Gregs. They've actually been drawing the Teen Girl Squad drawing the cartoon.}''

'''SCIENCE FICTION GREG:''' Hey! No way! Whats-Her-Face would totally come to my defense!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad, with Cheerleader drawing the previous scene.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Ew! Don't put that! No I wouldn't!

''{Cut to the Gregs, as D N'D Greg draws the previous scene.}''

'''OPEN SOURCE GREG:''' Now make them have a pillow fight!

''{Cut to the Teen Girl Squad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Make them play with action figures!

''{Cut to the Gregs.}''

'''JAPANESE CULTURE GREG:''' ''{with his anime face}'' AKIHABARA!

''{The Teen Girl Squad}''

'''SO AND SO:''' So good!

''{Gregs}''

'''D N'D GREG:''' SWORDS!

''{Girls}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' BOYS!

''{Cut to Strong Bad, drawing that last scene, falling over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Waugh!!

''{He weakly holds up one hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's... over?

''{Cut to the "4 Gregs" screen.}''

'''TEEN GIRL SQUAD VOICE:''' Four Gregs!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* [[Wikipedia:Drifting (motorsport)|Drift racing]] is a style of car racing originating in Japan where drivers slide or drift through corners at high speed.
* [[Wikipedia:Otaku|Otaku]] is a Japanese word denoting a fan of something. Outside of Japan, it denotes specifically a fan of Japanese popular culture. While the term is frequently adopted enthusiastically by non-Japanese individuals like Japanese Culture Greg, in Japan the word can have a negative connotation.
* [[Wikipedia:Akihabara|Akihabara]] is a shopping district of Tokyo specializing in electronics, computers, and pop-culture goods.
* "Okasan", properly romanized as "okāsan" or "okaasan", is a formal word for "mother" in Japanese.
* A [[Wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|denial-of-service attack]] is an attempt to make a computer resource unavailable to its intended users and is often considered a crime.
* [[Wikipedia:BitTorrent_(protocol)|BitTorrent]] is a peer-to-peer file sharing protocol used for sharing large amounts of data.
* [http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_it_mean_to_beat_the_spread "Beating the spread"] is a phrase in [[Wikipedia:Spread betting|spread betting]] referring to whether the difference of the two scores in the outcome of an event is above or below a predetermined amount.
* [[Wikipedia:Open source|Open source]] is an approach to computer software design, development, and distribution offering practical accessibility to a product's source (goods and knowledge).
* Open Source Greg mentioning the Apple Store as a replacement for "dragon's lair" is a reference to the [http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge Apple iPhone challenge].

===Trivia===
* The 4 Gregs comic is drawn on hexagonal-grid paper, commonly used for table top role playing games.
* The toons menu description reads "The spin-off no one was asking for!"
* The full text of the scroll with the rules of football reads:
<blockquote>The offensive team has 4 
chances to advance the ball 
10 yards at a time with the 
objective being to cross the 
opposing teams goal line 
using either running plays 
or passing plays or any 
combination thereof.</blockquote>
*[http://tompkins.tv/ Tompkins' Hot Lady Escort Service] later became a real website, containing a link to the 4 Gregs toon, and a link to this page.

===Remarks===
* During the title sequence, D N'D Greg, Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg have four, four, and five fingers per hand, respectively, despite the fact that all the Gregs (and indeed almost all Teen Girl Squad characters) are normally drawn with only three fingers per hand.
*The notion for a spinoff based on the Gregs was previously entertained in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]] for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]].
*The TV Time [[HR:menuswfs/menu_4gregs.swf|menu preview]] shows Japanese Culture Greg holding a different robot from that shown in the actual toon.
*Despite the title, there are "5 Gregs" that appear in this toon.

===Inside References===
* Open Source Greg and Japanese Culture Greg were previously seen, though unnamed at the time, in the Easter egg for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
** The page title is also a reference to that issue.
*This is another appearance of [[thyme]] and [[Internet slang]].
*D N'D Greg has [[fangs]] when explaining football with the scroll.
*The toons menu description is a reference to the Easter egg in [[Teen Girl Squad issue 14]].
* "Ow! All my client!" is another use of [[Ow! My X!]].
* The Mascot stating "AT LEAST TRY TO BEAT THE SPREAD" in his cheer is an instance of [[gambling]].
* Science Fiction Greg believes that What's Her Face will defend him because they dated previously, as revealed in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]].
* "Halph-thyme" is another instance of [[homophones]].
* Tompkins saying "Ow! All my client!" is an example of [[Singular Instead of Plural]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Speechbapple.PNG|thumb|"Into the Apple store?"]]
*Open Source Greg mentions the [[Wikipedia:Apple Store|Apple Store]]. As he does this, the edge of his speech bubble turns into Apple's logo.
* The text on Cheerleader's shirt is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Hollaback Girl|Hollaback Girl]].
* A [[Wikipedia:Sugar Daddy (candy)|Sugar Daddy]] is a caramel lollipop made by Tootsie Roll Industries.
* Open Source Greg's laptop/hot dog box has a picture of a penguin on it, a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tux|Tux]], the mascot of the open source operating system [[Wikipedia:Linux kernel|Linux]].
* The "shambling Krenshar" that D N'D Greg mentions is a melding of the names of two monsters from [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]]. The [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Shambling_mound shambling mound] is a carnivorous ambulatory plant monster, and the [http://www.rpdia.net/wiki/Krenshar krenshar] is a feline predator that can retract the skin on its face to frighten opponents.
*"Ow! All my client!" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:All your base are belong to us|All your base are belong to us]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:4gregs.html|Watch "4 Gregs"]]
*[[HR:4gregs.swf|View the Flash file for "4 Gregs"]]
*[[Forum:15115|Forum thread RE: "4 Gregs"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Shorts]][[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

Casio Keyboards

2009-02-10T20:09:35Z

Nerd42: Added a link to a keyboard emulator

[[Image:cheat_keyboard_puppet_time.png|thumb|right|220px|Ah, the melodious tunes of a cheap, affordable synthesizer]]
'''[[Wikipedia:Casio CZ synthesizers|Casio keyboards]]''' are used to make some of the music for the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] cartoons. They also make appearances in some of the cartoons.
==Appearances==
*[[FAQ]] — According to [[The Brothers Chaps]], most of the music on the site is made with "old Casio keyboards or worse".
*[[The Cheat's Keyboard]] is a Casio SK-1.
*[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] — [[Keyboard Strong Bad]]'s head is a [[Wikipedia:Casio VL-1|Casio VL-Tone]].
==External Links==
*[http://www.polyvalens.com/vl1/index.html VL1 - the Casio VL-Tone Emulator] should be able to produce virtually identical sounds.

[[Category:Instruments]]

Blatant Lies

2008-11-03T21:07:32Z

Nerd42:

[[Image:Notswimpractice.PNG|thumb|"On Saturday I certainly '''don't''' wake up at 6 A.M., put on a [[Wikipedia:Speedo|Speedo]], and go to swim practice."]]
Several [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] characters, most notably [[Strong Bad]], have been known to '''lie blatantly''' to one another or to the audience, often in an attempt to persuade others of the veracity of a situation, when in fact the opposite is extremely obvious.

==Appearances==
===Strong Bad Emails===
*Email [[sugarbob]] — Strong Bad types in different colors and fonts to try to convince the emailer's girlfriend that he is taken by several other girlfriends.
*Email [[lures & jigs]] — Strong Bad nervously insists he knows about [[Strong Bad's Ladies|the ladies]], mere seconds after casually admitting he knows nothing about them.
*Email [[huttah!]] — Strong Bad asserts that cheese and anvils are two of the finest things in life, after [[The Cheat]] walks in on his claiming that The Cheat resembles these two items. Also, he then tapes a piece of paper reading "the cheat" on the [[Compy 386]] to make it look as if emails to him are to The Cheat.
*Email [[stunt double]] — Strong Bad says that he doesn't use a stunt double. When ''Dangeresque II: This Time, It's Not Dangeresque 1'' is then shown, it is obvious that [[Strong Sad]] is Strong Bad's stunt double.
*Email [[different town]] — Strong Bad is singing while standing on the stool when Strong Sad walks in. Strong Bad claims that he was just checking the lights, even though the ceiling of the [[Computer Room]] is far too high for him to reach.
*Email [[crying]] — When Strong Bad begins to sniffle over [[Li'l Brudder]], he runs off claiming that he just has "a food" in the oven.
*Email [[other days]] — Strong Bad tries to convince the viewer that on Saturdays, he does not go to swim practice, and instead takes battle axe lessons. In an [[Easter egg]], Strong Sad is seen telling Strong Bad that they are late for swim practice.
*Email [[extra plug]] — After saying that the hot girl that he will be dancing with will be The Cheat, Strong Bad catches himself and states that it will be an actual hot girl.
*Email [[part-time job]] — Strong Bad sings "Comin' in to work on time.." while coming to his job at [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] 15 minutes late.
*Email [[secret identity]] — Strong Bad says that his secret identity is The Poopsmith, only to be disproven when The Poopsmith himself walks in. He and the Poopsmith have also been seen together on numerous occasions.
*Email [[2 emails]] — Strong Bad says that he is holding the [[Ladies' Choice Awards]], but no ladies show up.
*Email [[kids' book]] — Strong Bad claims to have written a children's book, though it is clear he simply scratched out the author's name and replaced it with his own.
*Email [[local news]] — Strong Bad says that he has to go and do something completely unrelated to throwing together the local news that the sender of this email asked about.
*Email [[long pants]] — Strong Bad says his white correction pen is an "electronic light-pen input high-tech expensive device", but later says quietly, "Stupid... made-up technology... that I made up... paint pen..."
*Email [[record book]] — Strong Bad claims to have "accidentally made breakfast" all over his previous record.
*Email [[senior prom]] — Strong Bad claims that he got a message on his "answering machine" from "Delilelia". It is obvious that he is the one providing the girl's voice, and that the "answering machine" is just a clock radio with a cassete tape on top.
*Email [[road trip]] — Strong Bad emphasizes that a "not originally yellow spotted sheet" is from Strong Sad's room, and not his room.
*Email [[4 branches]] — [[Homestar Runner]] claims that moving into his mascot costume was "probably the coolest and least locking-[himself]-out-of-[his]-house-enest decision" he ever made.
*Email [[cliffhangers]] — After [[Coach Z]] and Homestar accuse themselves of being [[The Thnikkaman]] and stealing the [[Lappy 486]], respectively, they both try to cover it up by talking about "sports team".
*Email [[strong badathlon]] — Strong Bad claims that his strongest event in the [[Strong Badathlon (contest)|Strong Badathlon]] is "Probably Something with Guitars, lasers, Robots, and Hot Girls". This event is only shown in [[Powered by The Cheat]] form, possibly suggesting that the event did not actually take place.
*Email [[the movies]] — [[The King of Town]] insists that his many trays of sizzling fajitas came from a box of [[Wikipedia:Milk Duds|Milk Duds]].
*Email [[from work]] — [[Bubs]] tries to cover up the fact that he was going to go and play a gnome tasering game by saying that he was going to get back to "upgrading the... taserin' that gnome... server".
*Email [[nightlife]] — Strong Bad tells Strong Sad that the body spray he's putting on is really the blood of slain warrior mammoths.
*Email [[winter pool]] — Strong Bad tells the sender that they used the pool for skateboarding and taped it but they got accidentally taped over with cooking shows. He later refers to this year's antics as "less pretend", revealing the truth of the skateboarding story.
*Email [[licensed]] — After showing Pom Pom his "unlicensed" Strong Bad wares in his trench coat, Bubs tells Strong Bad and The Cheat that he is wearing the trench coat because he is a "public flasher."
*Email [[your edge]] — When The Cheat walks in wearing an apron, Strong Bad tells him it is ''not'' pretend your grandma baking time and it will never be again, then immediately whispers "see me after the e-mail".

===Marzipan's Answering Machine===
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]]
**After leaving Marzipan a prank call, Strong Bad calls back for baking advice, insisting that he is calling her for the first time that day.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]]
**When [[Pom Pom]] calls and apparently tells Marzipan about something that Homestar said, Homestar repeatedly insists that he did not say that, and that Pom Pom is crazy.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]]
**When Strong Bad calls, he says that he has a real girlfriend for whom he needs to buy a Valentine's Day present.
**Homestar pretends to be a dial tone after realizing that he has called Marzipan annoying and overbearing on her own answering machine.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]]
**When Strong Bad calls, he says that tofu is made from baby seals.

===Other===
*[[The King of Town DVD]] — Near the end of the commentary, Strong Bad claims that The King of Town does not live in a castle; instead, he claims that the King lives in an apartment next door to [[The House of the Brothers Strong|him]].
*[[Halloween Awards Show]] — Strong Bad claims to have a super-hot girlfriend who recently got sucked into a wormhole.
*[[Where's The Cheat?]] — Strong Bad calls Marzipan, pretending to be Homestar Runner, saying that he killed Pom Pom, ''while'' Homestar was at Marzipan's house.
*[[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] — For almost the entire 'toon, Strong Bad and his gang attempt to convince Homestar that there is something cool in their paper bags. Bubs convinces Homestar that he knows nothing about Strong Bad's plan to get free drinks. Later on, Strong Bad tells Homestar that the thing in the bag escaped into the mountains.
*[[Broken Compy Menu]] — When Bubs asks Homestar, who was previously arguing, what he is doing at the stand, Homestar replies that he was talking to nobody, everybody, or [[Strong Mad]]. When asked where Strong Mad is now, Homestar says that he flew away. Later on, Bubs claims to Homestar that the shotgunned [[Compy 386]] is a low-priced automobile.
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]] — While talking on the phone, Coach Z claims that he is not alone and his phone is plugged in, but nobody is nearby and the [[Disconnected Telephones|phone is unplugged]].
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]] — After being caught making out with a drawing of [[The Ugly One]], Strong Bad claims that it is a piece of pizza and hurriedly stuffs the drawing into his mouth.
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] — The King of Town tries to convince Homestar that he is not trying to find a ham sandwich that he had buried in the [[Spooky Woods]] when he was nine. [[The Poopsmith]] is seen right next to him, digging holes.
*[[Weclome Back]] — Strong Bad claims to have accidentally "mashed record and stop" on his camera before jumping out of the plane. However, the unbelievable story he recounts about what happened during his descent makes it obvious that he is lying about the entire event.
*[[Arcade Game]] — When Homestar asks Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat what they are playing, Strong Bad claims that they are doing The Cheat's taxes.
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]] — Strong Bad shows off alleged screenshots of [[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People|his upcoming game]], all of which have been edited very poorly. Despite this, he claims to be playing "[[Not X|Not MS Paint]]". In a later entry, he reveals some fake cheat codes for the game, with some screenshots that have also been sightly edited, but this time using [[Wikipedia: Photoshop|Photoshop]].
*[[The Next Epi-Snowed]] — [[Agent Chimendez]] informs [[Gunhaver]] that entering his box will guarantee him appearances in the rest of the season's episodes, while he actually plans to trap Gunhaver. [[Crack Stuntman]] also boast of having a underwater fireplace.
*[[Place ya bets!]] — Homestar tries to descend an "invisible elevator" after Strong Sad asks if Homestar's "bomb" is just candles with a drawing of a clock taped to them.

==See Also==
*[[Aliases Used in Prank Calls]]
*[[History according to Strong Bad]]
*[[Strong Bad's Ladies]]
*[[Exaggerated Strong Bad]]
*[[Allegedly Real Things]]

[[Category:Exaggeration running gags]]
[[Category:Word running gags]]

User:Nerd42

2008-10-29T21:10:04Z

Nerd42:

<blockquote class="compy email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
You are awesome. 
Could you please, like, totally 
[[Fourth Wall Breaks|break the fourth wall]] and start 
exploring some other areas 
of the [[Macromedia Flash]] program 
besides the stage? 
Sincerely, 
(with absolutely no crap whatsoever) 
Nerd42 
 
P.S. Yeah, I know it's a lame name, 
but not everybody can have a name 
as awesome as you.</blockquote>

<code>''"Hey, Strong Bad! You jumped over some of my buses!"''
:~ '''[[Bubs]] in ''"[[mile]]"'' ([[Media:Buses.ogg|listen]])'''</code>

I am making a list of every Flash file on [http://homestarrunner.com/ H*R.com], which you can see at [[User:Nerd42/List]].

I also have a page on the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Nerd42 Fanstuff] wiki.

To find me on different wikis, see my page on [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 Meta]. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}}

== notes to self ==
*[[User:OptimisticFool/Fonts By Toon]]
*[[Fonts]]
*[[Portmanteaus]]
*[http://z13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/ Fanstuff forum]

Talk:Main Page

2008-10-29T20:02:40Z

Nerd42: /**/link to the fanstuff forum?

{{Main Page Talk}}
== You do not have permission to do that ==

When I click "View Source" on a protected page, I get the message "You do not have permission to do that, for the following reason" ... I don't find the word "that" particularly appropriate. Is it saying that I don't have permission to view source? That can't be it, since it is showing me the source. So, I think the message should be changed to "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason" ... unless there are some other contexts in which the words "edit this page" would not make sense. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:True, true...but how many people will think it's necessary? I don't think anything of it, but maybe you're right. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:The wording will be improved in version 1.13 (although it's still kind of poorly implemented in my opinion). Wikipedia has taken it out altogether. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:39, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe some bolding would help? And possibly changing the font to red? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

== Link the international welcome pages on the Main Page (aka "So, are we doing this?") ==

Two months ago, I posted the following [[User_talk:Sysrq868/mainpagebox|here]]:
<blockquote>
It's been like 10 months since the creation of the [[User:Trey56/HRWiki:Welcome/LANGUAGE CODE|international welcome pages]], however, the visitor counts are pretty low. With most pages translated, maybe we should start promoting them on the main page. These boxes designed by Sysrq868 look just fine, I would prefer the yellowish single line version. I just somehow thought I should restart this discussion.
</blockquote>
Since nobody answered so far, I'll post it here again, hoping somebody will notice it. {{User:The Commander IN COMMAND/sig}} 19:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
:I, also, wonder what happened to this project. Especially with the release of SBCG4AP in Europe, Homestar Runner is getting more international exposure (if that's possible for a internet based cartoon...). The welcome pages, while not perfect, are a fine idea, and most are ready to go right now. So what is the delay in redoing the front page to reflect this great community resource? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 23:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
::I added another [[User_talk:Sysrq868/mainpagebox|version]] with flags, <s>it might still need some work, e.g. making the flags a part to the link to the welcome page instead linking to the image, I couldn't figure out how to do that.</s> As for putting it on the main page, I kinda like [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&direction=next&oldid=502069 this one]. {{User:The Commander IN COMMAND/sig}} PS: Ok, I figured out a way, but there has to be an easier way to do this.
:::While I do like the idea of having a language box, I'm not a big fan of actually having the box on the main page, at least in the area that it seems to be placed in most of the views people have designed. It seems to add clutter. Maybe a new button on the sidebar that pulls up a menu or something on the bottom of the page?--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 15:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== Typo on main page ==

Hey, I noticed a typo in the way the current featured article, [[StrongBadZone]], displays on the main page. Toward the bottom of the excerpt it reads, "The game stylistically resembles the Virtual Boy vector game Red Alarm, which at also features a...". When I go to the article page it reads correctly, "which at some point also...." I assume this has something to do with the way the Featured Article content is inserted into the Main Page—I guess it doesn't come straight from the article? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 12:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't come straight from the article... it's at [[HRWiki:Featured article for 2008, week 37]]. I've gone and added those two missing words to that summary, thanks. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

== Bad "Watch" link on latest update ==

The "watch" link for the Strong Badia the Free video goes to the wrong place -- the link listed is http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/videos/strongbadiathefreegameplay but it should be http://www.telltalegames.com/videos/strongbadiathefreegameplay [[User:TTGJake|TTGJake]] 16:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:To edit the Main Page, you can go to [[Template:whatsnew]] and hit "edit" there. An FYI so you don't have to spend more time bringing this up on a talk page than it would actually take to fix a link. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:34, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::Perhaps {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:whatsnew&diff=588200&oldid=588166 the fix}} wasn't obvious or he would have done it himself (note that not even the person who added the update knew the correct format). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
::I didn't know how to edit the main page, and even though I do now (thanks!), it feels a bit icky and conflict of interestey to edit the main page to update a link that points to my company's website. It feels more comfortable to just point out the glitch and let other people decide what to do. But thanks for the heads up. [[User:TTGJake|TTGJake]] 16:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Look what I found! ==

http://homestarrunner.com/sbemail200.swf
:Yep, see [[Talk:H*R.com updates 2008#sbemail 200]] and [[Page Load Error]]. Thanks though! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
::Sure you guys aren't gonna put it in the updates box? [[Special:Contributions/222.154.0.251|222.154.0.251]] 08:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::After sbemail 200 is released. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Ignored Inside Joke? ==

I think that having trouble with using fireworks (as seen in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]], [[Happy Fireworks]], [[Date Nite]]) seems to be a recurring joke. If nothing else, a running gag. {{User:Supuhstar}} 18:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:''Further discussion at [[Talk:Running Gags#Trouble with using fireworks|Talk:Running Gags]]''

== Loading ==

No homestar runner cartoons load anymore. They go to the loading screen, and then nothing. PLEASE help. Also, please upload a mirror of sbemailtwohundred {{User:The thing/sig}} 19:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Working fine here. Either there's something wrong on your end or on the route to their server from your end. We'd need a little more info to have any idea what the trouble might be, but I suggest first clearing your browser's cache, rebooting and trying again. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==The poopsmith's unspeakable action should be on the front page news==

Seriously, you guys [[User:Cfive|Cfive]] 23:10, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:Why? The main page updates are for '''updates''' only. We don't have to label every single thing that H*R.com did in that week, and post it on the front page. Or else we'd have a lot of: SEPTEMBER 50th, 20X6: Strong Bad updated from 5 foot to 10 foot cubicle in [[The Office]]. And, just as a side note, it wouldn't be his "unspeakable" action...rather, it would be his "speakable" action! Get it? (crickets chirp) OK, nevermind. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 23:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah but.... this is huge! I mean it's THE POOPSMITH and he not only spoke, but SUNG. After about 7 years or something. This isn't some character's insignificant action such as checking e-mail or something, THE POOPSMITH SPEAKETH! And yeah, speakable. [[User:Cfive|Cfive]] 23:37, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but we don't put spoilers on the main page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:49, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::That, and there is no "OMG THIS CHARACTER DID SOMETHING AWESOME!!!!" section on the main page. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 23:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see, yes. 'Tis better for ze peoplez to find out the magic for themselves [[User:Cfive|Cfive]] 01:28, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:I could always edit the "big things happen" userbox I made to have him in it. *shrugs* {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== There's an update... ==

New Quote, fanstuff, etc. i just saw...
I got started on it on the Updates page... but i've done all i can do..

== hey, hold on a sec... ==

wasn't the daily featured article weekly, like 2 weeks ago?

{{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 02:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Nope, the last block of <strike>weekly</strike> daily articles was last October. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

really? i wasn't on this wiki a year ago and distinctly remember weekly articles. there's no way it was more than a month ago

{{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 02:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, wait, I misread your question. The last time we did ''daily'' articles was last October. Normally the featured article is weekly, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::But occasionally (as in, once or twice a year) we like to swich to a week of daily Featured Articles. Read [[HRWiki:Featured_Article_Selection#HRWiki:Featured_article_for_2008.2C_week_40_.28Sep_29-Oct_5.29|here]] for more information. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

sorry doriangray, now that you mention it, the wording is pretty bad. i was just about to ask my buddy on the wiki, cornman! (for info on cornman, and who he really is, check out my talk page. i call him that on purpose. i'm not even going to try to pronounce/spell that right)

{{User:Homsarstrongbad150/sig}} 02:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

== DVD Screencaps ==

Is it possible to take screencaps with PowerDVD or Windows Media Player? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, assuming you don't run into a Windows bug that sometimes crops up: use the Print Screen button, open an art program of some sort, and select "Paste". I think Power DVD can also save screenshots directly, but don't quote me on that. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:14, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::With Windows XP, trying to capture with any single DVD player software never worked for me. I discovered, however, that if I first open the DVD with one piece of software and just left it paused, I could then open it with another piece of software and take screenshots to my heart's content. With Windows Vista, I haven't had to use that trick. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, PowerDVD lets you take screenshots directly, and other players might do that as well. The Print Screen button does normally ''not'' work, as DVDs are played using hardware acceleration, bypassing a lot of Windows hooks. OF's trick of using two players suggests that Windows XP might only provide hardware acceleration for one video window. If you know what you are doing, then you could disable hardware acceleration for video playback in your graphics card's driver's settings. This ''might'' result in enabling the Print Screen button to actually capture video frames.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:54, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
When I tried to take screencaps of ''A Charlie Brown Christmas'' to use on the article [[Peanuts]], I disabled the PowerDVD hardware acceleration, but when I tried to copy and paste a picture into MS Paint, it copied and pasted a video into MS Paint. Is there any way to fix this or should someone else take the picture? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mirror, Mirror, on the Wiki... ==

Did anyone ever consider making mirrors of all the toons and games and such in case something happens to the website? {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 23:51, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure a number of people already keep SWF files backed up on their computers just in case of any such emergency. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yep. I worked my butt off, but I have the entire site archived on my laptop. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 20:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== View, Watch, view, watch ==

I notice on a lot of different pages that the words "view" and "watch" are not consistently lowercase or capitalized (here I'm referring to "External Links" of toons and sbemails). {{t|newsbemail}} suggests that they ought to be lowercase, but I wonder if there is some "rule" I'm not aware of. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:''Discussion continued at [[HRWiki talk:Manual of Style#View, Watch, view, watch|HRWiki talk:Manual of Style]]''

== Awesome Subpage ==

Does anyone mind restoring [[Awesome]] as a User Subpage for me? I want to see if I can perfect it later. SBCG4AP seems to be creating some gramatically incorrect uses of the word. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Delete a picture ==

Can a regular user delete a picture or page? Or is that only for the sysops?
:Deletion can only be done by sysops, be it a picture or an article. You can alert someone to delete something by adding the {{t|delete}} tag to the page. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Today's update...? ==

What's with the "limozeen show" listed in the updates? Maybe there's something wrong with my browser, but I can't see this message anywhere on the main page.

Strangely, I just noticed that the image code for this post is "tARaNCHUlA"...

EDIT: Never mind. I emptied my cache, and it appeared.

== Rrll rrll soon? ==

Could someone please update the message on the Forum? It's been down for at least three weeks, and it's obviously not coming back "soon". I don't mean to whine, but I thought I'd shed some light on it so that others don't have false hopes. (This is PlaysetsandToysBuyer, by the way; I don't have a Wiki account.)
: You need a looser definition of "soon". You also need to keep in mind that just because it hasn't come back in three weeks, that doesn't mean it won't come back soon. It could come back in three minutes for all you know. Just be patient. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed. It's not like I've forgotten about it. Sometimes things just have to wait till their window, and this is one of them. As Jay said, the message ''is'' accurate, since "soon" is relative, and you never know when a window will present itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:59, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Just like the fanstuff wiki will come back "soon", right, Dot com? (Note: this is not a post whining about the length of the fanstuff wiki purge and should not be treated as such. Thank you.) --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 02:58, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes and no. In the fanstuff's case, the transfer hit a (non-life-threatening but still quite important) snag and I simply haven't had time to sit down and figure out the best way to fix it. (Again, to repeat, everything is fine—except for that one thing. Nothing is ruined. Probably not ruined.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Were there any reasons for closing the forum other than to prevent trolling and arguments? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:09, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the update. I didn't realise that there was no specific time to fix the forum, though I still say that the message should be changed because the word "soon" is so vague and misleading. I'm going to class "soon" (in an hour), and the prophecies of Revalation will occur "soon" (sometime within human's existence on Earth). --[[Special:Contributions/199.8.170.51|199.8.170.51]] 18:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC) (PlaysetsandToysBuyer with no account)
:You're probably right, but "eventually" has such a less hopeful ring to it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::Can I hear the other reasons? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Only if you clear your mind, close your eyes, and listen REALLY hard. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Why can't someone tell me them? The only other one I can think of is that you wanted to prevent whining about how it's taking TBC so long to make a new Homestar cartoon. Am I right? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 05:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Because there's nothing to tell: It's not relevant to the wiki, it doesn't concern you, and the instant the forum reopens it will be obsolete anyway. Keep your pants on, and quit worrying about it already. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:24, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::This strikes me as rather poor management here. This sort of evasion and avoiding questions as well as your flippant response strike me as a good way to drive off potential and current users. What's wrong with giving a concise explanation of what happened? You don't have to mention any names or specific incidents. Maybe it'll help people understand why it's taking so long and at least understand where the forum has gone. Just my two cents. Do with it what you will.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I haven't posted on the WIKI itself in a long while, but I've been an active member of the HRWIKI forum since 2004. I personally have remained silent through much of the "drama" that I've seen going down around the forum, but I'm starting to get irritated myself. I know that the forum went down in order to apparently drive a bunch of people out of there because somebody didn't want them getting so off-topic. Which I didn't agree with but it didn't bother me because all "I" wanted out of it was H*R conversation. However, I am somewhat upset to find the forum down again, especially at this time where it's fun to discuss the Halloween toon. I don't appreciate how it seems like a lot of the WIKI users don't care about the forum. They do not set it as a priority when it is very much so. I don't care if many of the wiki users themselves don't post on it, I post on it and it's the only home for H*R conversation I've had for the past 3-4 years. I came on here tonight looking for some answers and I also don't really like the way you guys act like it's none of our business to know what the problem is. Sounds pretty shady to me. Just cough up an explanation and that would be good enough. I agree that dodging the question and blowing us off isn't really a great way to manage this or deal with it. In short. Please just get the forum back up and quit messing with it so much, so we can all just have our discussions about the toons and games again.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 10:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::To all forumers: Continuing to whine here isn't going to help. For the sake of argument, let's just say that the wiki and the forum were run by completely different parties. Would you be coming here to whine about the forum being down and insist that it be brought back up? No. You'd just say "Oh, crap.. the site's still down.. guess I'll just have to wait. Maybe I'll send a whiny e-mail; that'll be great!" The fact that there's an overlap in management or whatever shouldn't change anything. The wiki and the forum should be kept separate. Send a whiny e-mail (I repeat: e-mail) and get over it. And don't tell me there's nowhere else to chat about Homestar Runner. Try chat.hrwiki.org .. lovely IRC chat. Enjoy. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Yeah you're right. That IRC chatroom is NEVER dead but full of people who spend a lot of time not talking about Homestar Runner. Believe it or not, there aren't many big forums for H*R discussion. Go check yourself. There's that Horizons one and this one. And besides, "I'm" not the one who pulled off that incredibly lame "let's lock the forum down and tick off all the users so they can't discuss off topic things anymore" deal. I call it like I see it. And I have no idea how to e-mail whoever is in charge because I can't access the forum and I don't specifically know. Therefore, I brought the matter here because it was already being discussed. I'd like to also point out, that you say they should be seperate... but there is a link to the forum for every toon. It is a part of the wiki whether you use it/like it or not.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: No one should be suggesting that they be separate. They're not. I'm in charge of the forum. You can email me, but there's no point in doing so. The reason discussion here is pointless is that there's nothing to discuss, and so we're just taking up space on this talk page. The forum is currently down, and I'm aware of it. The reason is immaterial. I don't ''want'' it to be down, but it is. My great hope is that it will be back up rrll rrll soon. Unfortunately, it's taking longer than I hoped. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::...except they [i]are[/i] run by the same management. What would happen if they weren't run by the same management really doesn't matter. What's so horrid about people using a small section of a talk page to discuss one of the wiki's sister sites? --[[Special:Contributions/71.233.64.218|71.233.64.218]] 15:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Look, we're not doing this again. Look, we're not doing this again. WE'RE REALLY NOT DOING THIS AGAIN! (Seriously, just stop please. We don't need another flamewar here.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Sending an email didn't help because It's Dot Com never replied. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 17:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's because I've already said what I needed to say. The forum, as of this minute, is down, but it won't be like that forever. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Going back to the original goal of changing the message on the forum, maybe you could replace "seriously" with "keep your pants on" to let people know how big a waste of effort it is to get an explanation out of you. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 13:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
: You do realise that the more you try to bring about an explanation, the more ticked off and less likely to work on the forum he becomes? (Account-less PlaysetsandToysBuyer)--[[Special:Contributions/199.8.170.219|199.8.170.219]] 15:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, I didn't realize that. I'll shut up now. Would "keep your pants on" shut other people up as well? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Who knows. But it really has nothing to do with my being ticked off. I really am trying to get it back open as soon as possible (I had even hoped it would be back up for the recent update). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Menu sounds ==

Is it possible to decompile a main page to get the Toons Games Characters ect. sounds? (This is Chocola, I used to be big on the Fanstuff Wiki before I got bored. I have an account on here, but I forget my password.)
:Probably. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for telling me. I was wondering, and since the Fanstuff Wiki is being redone, this was the second best place to post it.

== Matt's Birthday ==

So, Matt's birthday is coming up in about a week. Are we making a card again, or taking things in a different direction, like [http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mattbdayqp1.swf this Flash] I threw together, or something better/unique? {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 23:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

:Cool animation. [[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 00:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

::It looketh pretty awesome. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

:Looks good. But we can always throw a card in with a gift. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
::Doesn't really seem fair to make Matt a card but not Mike though. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:44, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we did [[HRWiki:Matt's 2006 birthday card|Matt's Card]] in 2006 and [[HRWiki:Mike's 2007 birthday card|Mike's Card]] in 2007, so I figured it was Matt's turn again. {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 22:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

i like it, great animation. looks just like something TBC would make,
:::[[Image:girrbutton.png]]
:Thanks, everybody! So, now are we going to organize a card? {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 18:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Let's do. No one has seen me in a while, though, but I also say we should ban British English from this wiki. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 18:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

== The Forum is Up! ==

Is there any way that we could put a message on the main page spreading the good news so that more people will come back and discuss? We sewiously need to make up for some lost time; it's almost Halloween and the speculation thread is only 10 pages long! (PlaysetsandToysBuyer) --[[Special:Contributions/208.96.148.51|208.96.148.51]] 18:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Nah, we just need to link to the forum from the various toon articles. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== link to the fanstuff forum? ==

Hey the fanstuff wiki is down ... so now there's really no way for people to find the fanstuff forum [http://z13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/ which is here]. Could somebody put a link up somewhere please? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Nerd42

2008-10-29T20:01:30Z

Nerd42: /* notes to self */

<blockquote class="compy email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
You are awesome. 
Could you please, like, totally 
[[Fourth Wall Breaks|break the fourth wall]] and start 
exploring some other areas 
of the [[Macromedia Flash]] program 
besides the stage? 
Sincerely, 
(with absolutely no crap whatsoever) 
Nerd42 
 
P.S. Yeah, I know it's a lame name, 
but not everybody can have a name 
as awesome as you.</blockquote>

<code>''"Hey, Strong Bad! You jumped over some of my buses!"''
:~ '''[[Bubs]] in ''"[[mile]]"'' ([[Media:Buses.ogg|listen]])'''</code>

I am making a list of every Flash file on [http://homestarrunner.com/ H*R.com], which you can see at [[User:Nerd42/List]].

I also have a page on the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Nerd42 Fanstuff] wiki.

To find me on different wikis, see my page on [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 Meta]. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}}

== notes to self ==
*[[User:OptimisticFool/Fonts By Toon]]
*[[Fonts]]
*[http://z13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/ Fanstuff forum]

Talk:Podstar Runner

2008-07-23T21:04:43Z

Nerd42: /* How to watch on PSP */

{{featuredarticle}}
{{talkchecklist|What to do when a new Podcast arrives:}}
*Move the old podcast entry from [[Podstar_Runner#Current_Downloadable_Emails|Current Downloads]] to [[Podstar_Runner#Previously_Downloadable_Emails|Past Downloads]]. (Be sure to comment out the download link.)
*Add the new podcast to [[Podstar_Runner#Current_Downloadable_Emails|Current Downloads]], {{tl|whatsnew}} and [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]].
*Remove the old download link from the previous email/toon page.
*Add a download link (using {{tl|Podstar download}}) to the new email/toon page External Links section.
*Add the page to [[:Category:Podstar Runner]].
*Add the podcast's summary to the email/toon page Trivia section.
*If entry is an email, add link to [[Strong Bad Email#Podstar Runner Releases]].
|} 

== Alt versions for podcast ==
On the DVD version of [[dragon]], the homsar easter egg is automatically enabled. They also did this on the new podcast version of the email. So, is there some place that we can note this on the page for that email? Should we create new an entirely new section for Podcast version on this page and all sbemails??? --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 17:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
: Probably, yeah. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Haha... MINDREADERS! ==

I was thinking about H*R toons on iPods ''THIS MORNING''...!

== RSS Feed ==
Now all they need is an RSS feed so you can put this right in iTunes as a podcast and download it straight to the iPod.. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 18:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe a fan can create one. Y'know, like [http://interglacial.com/rss/homestar.html this one]. And no, I didn't mean that I would create one, either.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 19:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I could certainly do it. I would just assume this would be something we'd want the Brothers Chaps to do themselves. In any case, I'll break out Notepad and have something up in a bit. :) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 20:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

-I Created one that you can subscribe to here: [http://feeds.feedburner.com/podstartopod] The tags aren't all that great because I just created a category in Wordpress. But they're there and it works! Check it out - Brad Kovach

== XHTML 1.0 Transitional ==

First time I can remember a DOCTYPE being declared. Can anyone confirm? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:It's a shame it [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/ doesn't validate]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 03:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Podstar links ==

I added a new interwiki-style link to our repertoire. To link to one of the podstar.homestarrunner.com files, simply preface it with "Podstar:" (for example: [[Podstar:sb_email_japanese_cartoon.m4v]]). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Picture? ==

What's with this weird picture we got here? Is this photoshopped or what?--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, the picture is from the .m4v of [[techno]]. [http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/Venusy/technofullscreen.png Here's] a screenshot of the scene in iTunes. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::Why is the wiki logo different? -You know who!
:::I customized it. See [[User:Venusy/monobook.css|my monobook.css]], about 25 lines down. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::That was cool.--{{User:That is Truly an Apple/Sig}} 21:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Can somebody transcript any custom animation it contains, like this Strong Bad thing? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Quality ==

Has anybody noticed that the M4V videos have a much higher sound quality than the Flash files? Might seem a bit unfair for the "normal Flashers" at first, but if someone was to import the Flash file (which, if possible, would give us a load of vectors and so a nearly unlimited possibility of resizing) and mix its video track with the audio track of the M4V video, they could actually get megalomanic resolutions and a sound quality that beats the Flash file on the site. Anybody up to the task to make a proof-of-concept, HDTV-compatible Strong Bad Email? As long as it stays a non-redistributed proof-of-concept, it shouldn't be illegal. <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 21:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Seems like a bit of a waste of time to me, but whatever. Anyway, in regard to your question: from what i've seen, it may not be as, ahem, "simple", as that. Most Flash decompiling programs manage to bugger up tweens etc as well as fonts. Then, on top of this, you usually need to fiddle with the .fla file you get at the end to get it to match up with the original .swf as mask layers etc often separate. Basically, it'd be some hassle.

Actually.. also its higher sound quality on the DVD's too so you could always just buy the dvds... [[User:24.185.119.106|24.185.119.106]] 01:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, you should buy the DVDs, because it supports TBC. By the way, I wouldn't spend any time on it, because it ''would'' end up being illegal since anything worth doing eventually ends up distributed. Even if it were legal, this talk page is not the place to solicit volunteers to work on it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Never wished to argue with that. Anyways, I was actually thinking about buying myself the Overkill Combo, but since it seems minors can't have credit cards over here in Austria, I'll have to put that off for the next few years (or ask somebody with a credit card). <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 06:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::It is illegal. I study copyright law in my free time, and it is illegal. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams, {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Sound? Yeah, that's a good one. I can't get any sound at all. Not to mention, the video quality seriously sucks.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 00:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh man! I am a complete idiot. The sound was off. No matter, I can just use the ones already there.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Have they explicitly forbidden ''creating derivative works for the sole personal use by one single person'' now? If it isn't redistributed, I don't see where the problem lies. <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 13:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== Link on Site ==

Is there a link to this page on the actual site besides the recently updated on the homepages? Like in downloads or something? That's where it should be.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 22:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*I noticed that too. I guess the answer is still no. --[[User:71.243.152.233|71.243.152.233]] 03:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== MP4's ==

Hey, do you guys think there is any chance that they would release them on MP4 format so we (i) can watch them on Our (my) PlayStation Portable (PSP) System? either that, or is there some sort of Software or something that i could download so i could convert the M4V Files to MP4's?

-COLA

Since theyve done m4p's they'll probablyn eventually do ones for the PSP. As for converting.. i have no clue lol. [[User:24.185.119.106|24.185.119.106]] 01:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

yes they work on the psp- [[HRFWiki:User:Freezestar|Freezestar]]

No, they dont. i checked it out, i even upgraded my Bloody psp, didnt work, and all my movies that i had on it couldnt be played. great job, Sony.

-COLA

They don't work on the PSP. The videos available from the Podstar Runner page are encoded using H.264, and not MPEG-4. While giving it a better file size and reasonable video quality, it makes it incompatible with the PSP. --[[User:TuqueeLukee|Tuquee]] 06:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Use PSPVideo9 to transcode the .M4v files. -CujoSR

[[Wikipedia:mencoder|mencoder]] sb_email_techno.m4v -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=896 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3:br=128 -o sb_email_techno.mp4
Let me know how that works for you, I'm not sure exactly what a PSP expects. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Strange. It works on mine. PSP-1001 on the side. I update the PSP all the way and put it in the Video folder ([root folder]:\VIDEO folder). And then i just rename the extension to mp4 and throw it into the VIDEO folder. That's what I do. And they work. --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 03:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

:When that post was written, PSP firmware 2.80 (or 2.81, I forget which) hadn't been released. That was the firmware that added .m4v support (and you don't need to rename them either). --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 09:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== WMP? ==

do these files play on windows media player? (Or are they convertable to VuGo format?)--{{User:Benol/sig}} 01:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:: They are in H.264 video with AAC audio. I think there are codecs you can get for those for WMP. [[User:Person Man|Person Man]] 02:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No. It doesn't work. I just tried. [[User:Klaymation|Klaymation]]

==Unfocused Floppy==
[[Image:Floppy podcast background.png|thumb|discoveries of the deep?]]
So uh... Anybody figure out what the floppy is labled, the one that the iPod is resting against? All you... Decompilers or just those with good eyesight? And intuition? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think the floppy says: ''Something'' of the ''Something''. It's just too faded.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I searched Moby games for a DOS title with "of the" in it, and of around 250 results, the most likely canditate I could find was "discoveries of the deep". Does that look plausible to anybody? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely looks plausible. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Ditto that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::I added info for Discoveries of the Deep to the [[Floppy Disk Container]] article. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 19:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's iPod? I think not. ==

That is not Strong Sad's iPod in the background, as stated on the wiki. It appears to be at least a 4G iPod, but its shape (especially the screen) is closer to that of the 5G iPod. Look at it--it has the gray clickwheel characteristic of 4G+ iPods. Strong Sad's is first- or second-generation. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:It doesn't look exactly like Strong Sad's iPod from the picture, but it is blurry, so details might not have been put in. Other times that this happens is when you see a zoomed-out picture of the Compy, and you cannot see the dial. Lets just see what others put in as well and then we will make final decisions. -[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::Whoops. Didn't sign that last message--fixed. Anyway, here's the thing. The blur would make it hard to decide, except for the scroll-wheel. Notice it's gray. Strong Sad's iPod, as seen so far, has had a white scroll-wheel. The blur filter may obscure details, but it's not going to change the colors of anything. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 05:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The width of the screen appears to be wider than Strong Sad's iPod, but quite like a video iPod.

::::The enlarged screen size and trademarked click wheel give it away that this iPod was designed to be a 5G iPod. However, note the headphone jack is plugged into the middle of the top of the iPod. That characteristic is not true with 5G iPods, which have the jack on the far right of the top. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 13:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Well, let's think about this for a minute. Who else in the Brothers Strong house (or anywhere else in FCUSA for that matter) owns an iPod? Mabye Strong Sad upgraded to a newer version or something. I agree, it's not the same one that we've seen before, but no one else has an iPod, so in my opinion, it ''has'' to be Strong Sad's. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I concur. Is this already noted on the item's article, or have we yet to add it? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I thought the same exact thing as Has Matt? but I forgot to mention it. Who else would have an ipod? I think so far its Strong Sads, unless maybe in the future it is revealed that maybe Strong Bad got one or something.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 21:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Strong Bad with an iPod? Strong Bad thinks that flashlights are "the future of technology". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::: Maybe the Cheat bought an iPod... I mean, we already know he likes Apple :P

== Original Name ==

Since they changed the name from Strong Bad video podcasts, I think we should mention it in trivia.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 22:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:So... mention it. :) I'd do it but I haven't kept up with this page closely enough to know for sure what you're talking about. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==What do I have to do?==
What do I have to do to make Strong Bad pop up? I says wait a second after the email, what email it doesn't play any email. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:Please be more specific. After every Strong Bad Email featured, a short clip of Strong Bad should appear. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, so you have to download the emails to watch the clips and stuff, well in that case nevermind. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

== PSP...rar ==

I could help with the PSP and iPod video conversion

:I don't believe that creating PSP files for distribution would fall under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] laws. Thanks for offering, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::While distribution of alternate versions would be illegal, converting it yourself to another format and playing it on your PSP would be considered fair use. Since the videos don't have DRM, they are not covered by the DMCA and the fair use exception can apply.
:::Creating a instructions to convert or a program that will do the converting would be fine (assuming you don't charge for it or anything). --[[User:SirNuke|SirNuke]] 01:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

::::This may be true, but ''I'' don't believe it falls under fair use. Just me. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== Requires Quicktime? ==

Below external links it says that either iTunes or Quicktime is required to play these, but I must disagree. All that's needed is a player that can support the MOV file format, H264 decoding, and AAC decoding. The videos all play back perfectly on my computer without any sort of Apple "adware" installed. And it says that Quicktime version 6.0 is required, but I don't think that 6.0 can play H264 video. --[[User:Taku42|Taku42]] 21:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:It can play H263, however. As for other programs, Quicktime and iTunes are the only two official programs that fully support and write .mov format. If you know of another that's as good as either of these, however, please say so. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::[[Wikipedia:MPlayer|MPlayer]] (the almighty) has no problems. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::The VideoLan Client ([http://www.videolan.org/vlc/]) works really well. Which is a bit odd since VLC often has trouble with newer Quicktime files.--[[User:SirNuke|SirNuke]] 01:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

They may mean Quicktime 7, which I believe is the minimum requirement for iTMS videos.

Anonymous.

Also, video is only supported in iTunes 6.0 and up, podcasts from version 4.9. So regarding either capability, the iTunes version in the article is incorrect. [[User:68.239.131.197|68.239.131.197]] 01:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

== Brothers Chaps helped! wooh ==

I got a email, from them after i emailed them.

<blockquote>Quicktime Pro can convert a .m4v file to an .mp4 file or any other format for that matter. 
Just open the file up in Quicktime and choose Export to put it in whatever format you need, 
this way you shouldn't have a problem getting it onto you PSP. 
 
 
Brothers Chaps</blockquote>

On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Beep wrote:

<blockquote>Hello, i noticed that you just put up Podstar Runner, for the iPod, well, 
is it possible that you could do a different version, for the PSP? PSP uses the .mp4 files. 
 
Thank You.</blockquote>

So...Wooh! --[[User:Jetamoo|Coach J]] 18:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The psp needs a thumbnail file too so just converting it to mp4 won't work (I've tried). [http://www.pspvideo9.com/ PSP video 9]is the easiest way, it creates a thumbnail file automatically. Get a big memory stick too, videos eat up space fast.

== RSS feed oddities ==
I removed them from the article, because the odd things in the RSS feed (copyright tag, link tag) are because TBC copied the RSS example from [http://www.podcastx.com/articles/26/1/How-To-Publish-a-Podcast-on-the-iTunes-Music-Store Apple's website]. I have emailed TBC about the tags, too. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 00:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

==¿Qué está el problema?==

I downloaded the latest versions of quicktime and iTunes and these files won't run on my computer no matter what I try! The podcast won't even download, it keeps showing the same error! Is it because my comp uses windows? Does my computer hate me?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 05:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

:Can't help you with the podcast. That's really too bad. :( But I can help you in other ways. Que and esta need é and á, and it's ''el'' problema. Tricky Spanish, eh? But sorry about the errors, and sorry that I'm no expert in iPods. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

::I don't even have an iPod, I just want to watch them on my comp so I can hear this so called "better sound quality".--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

== Today's top podcast! ==

Strong Bad Email is currently "Today's Top Podcast" in the iTunes Music store! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
:Get a screenshot while it lasts. =) It might come in useful. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Here's the screenshots:
<gallery>
Image:Podstar Top Podcast.png|<center>Top Podcast</center>
Image:Podstar New & Notable.png|<center>New & Notable</center>
</gallery>
::I'm not sure if these should go on the page or not, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 06:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==Descriptions==

I'm not sure if this can go anywhere on the page, but I figured I'd list the descriptions within iTunes for the episodes.

techno -- Some bozo asks about techno music. 
japanese cartoon -- Strong Bad makes up his own japanese cartoon. 
dragon -- Strong Bad starts a bad drawing revolution. 
kids book -- Strong Bad seriously defaces a children's book. 
crying -- Strong Bad seriously defaces a children's book. (whoops on their part, apparently) 
bottom 10 -- From the home office in Scotsdale, AZ... 
caffeine -- Strong Sad gets caffeinated. 
virus -- A virus wreaks havoc on the Compy. 

I wasn't exactly sure where to put this, but I figured it should at least be listed somewhere around here, so here it is. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 07:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
:lol, reading the edit history for the main page, I suppose I should have left my editorialized comments out of it, or put it separate or in italics or something. Sorry! (I didn't realize they fixed it, though; I guess I'll have to redownload it.) [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 19:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==Mirrors?==
Should we upload the previous emails on the mirror, seeing as they are not currently available from the official site? -FatPamPam

Probably not a good idea. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 18:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Guitar was a little earlier... ==
Y'know, Guitar actually was downloadable on the night of February 26th, not the 27th as it says here... maybe we should mention that... --[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 21:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

:Well technically, the first five weren't released one after the other on seperate days, as it reads in the podcast, either. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

== Bandwith Issue ==

Since now on the website only the most recent is available, are the other emails unavailable through iTunes as well? I wouldn't know because I was already subscribed and had them on my computer before the problem occured.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 03:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, yes, they are unavailable. All that appears in the list is "guitar". {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Was "bottom 10" ever even on iTunes? I tried to get it, but the podcast wasn't downloading it... --[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 23:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, it was. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

== virus ==

I see that the menu below virus is not in this version. How do they handle that scene where Homestar is picking up the words? Can we get a shot of that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:The issue with the widescreen ratio and therefore pan and scan style of virus (.mp4) is already mentioned. The navbar is indeed cut off when Homestar picks up the words, if that's what you mean. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Right. I'm curious what that looks like. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I won't be able to get a screenshot up until I get home, as virus is currently undownloadable. However, it looks as though Homestar's head is pulling words up from nowhere. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::::He is. Homestar pulls the words from nowhere.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2383/podcastviruspic1cu.png
--[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 23:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cost? ==

Does it cost anything to download? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]]
:Nope! It's free to download! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

== Relative linking ==

I'm still getting an error when clicking on the navbar links below the Podstar index. Is anyone else? Could they have fixed it and then broken it again when they updated? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:They seem to be working fine for me... Maybe something's up on your end...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Do they ''all'' work all the time? One of them worked at first and then stopped. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:::All of them work all of the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::The first time I load the page, it works for the first link I try. Then it reverts to the relative linking behavior. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::It works all the time for me (Flash 7/Fx 1.5/Linux) but looking at the source code it seems it hasn't been "fixed" by TBC at all - it's still relative linking, and there's nothing telling it to go to www.etc instead of podstar.etc. However the main_nav.swf is being loaded from www.etc. So I'm guessing some browsers/versions of Flash/whatever is taking the relative link relative to the page (which won't work) and others take it relative to the .swf (which will work). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== File Sizes ==

The file sizes quoted on the podstar page are sort of innaccurate... In computing, the prefix "kilo", for example, can mean two things - the standard 103= 1000 or the more computer-friendly 210 = 1024 (computers, working in binary, are good for working with powers of 2). Megabytes can, by extension, be 1,000,000 (1000²) bytes or 1,048,576 (1024²) bytes. Usually the binary megabytes are used for things like RAM capacity, since that will always be a power of 2, and file sizes. Decimal megabytes are often used for hard disk capacities (to make them sound bigger, since the number on the box is bigger). (Because of the confusion, SI proposed the prefix [[Wikipedia:Mebi|Mebi]], but it never really caught on.) However the filesizes quoted on the podstar page are such that 1MB = 1,024,000 bytes (1000×1024), which isn't correct either way. Most likely the computer gave the size in kB by dividing by 1024, and TBC then divided by 1000 to get MB. The only thing I know of which uses 1,024,000 megabytes is the 1.44MB floppy disk, which is 1.44×1024×1000 bytes. 
The questions are: (1) Can the above be summarised into something suitable for a fun fact? Not so long as to ramble, as the above does, but not so short as to leave out any important information. (2) In the table at the bottom of the article, should we quote (a) the filesize from the podstar page, (b) The actual size in decimal megabytes, (c) The actual size in binary megabytes or (d) separate columns for both (a) and one of (b) or (c). At the moment it is (c), which gets my vote. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
:There is already the goof:

:Many of the listed file sizes are inaccurate. The table below shows the correct file sizes.

:and the listing below. What do you want beyond that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, I didn't see that. Still, some explination of ''why'' they're inaccurate could be good, since that goof reads like "man, TBC are so dumb they couldn't even get the filesizes right" as opposed to "filesizes are more complicated than they look, and TBC got it wrong". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Teen Girl Squadcast ==

It was released but the wiki hasn't recorded it. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait, I just did that "purge" thing for the main page, and it says it, nevermind. Now all someone has to do here is add info on the article. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I's all done? Super! - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Time on iPod ==

Does 8:04 PM have any significance? Just wondering.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 16:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
:I doubt it. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
::It's either the first time they posted a podcast, or the time at which [[Matt Chapman|Matt]] was born or something? -Horatio's Seasoning

== Just something I noticed...==
The description for [[different town]] in the XML feed is "How would Strong Bad make the town different?". For as long as I can remember (much earlier than March 13, 2006, anyways), the summary on the Wiki has been "How would Strong Bad make the town different?". It may just be a coincidence, but I doubt it. We know TBC have used the Wiki in the past. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:In any case, it looks like that's different from the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=next&oldid=869 original description]: ''Steven WV writes in and askes Strong Bad what he would change in his town to make it better, and he sings a weirded-out song, in which he describes how he would change the characters. You'll have to see it to find out!''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

::The description was set to that on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=82968&oldid=82303 15 May 2005], the "Weeeehhhhhllllll" finally being removed [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=285214&oldid=285212 today]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

== Background's gone. ==

On the Podstar Runner page, the background is black now. Why?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 22:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:The background isn't black. The server is running a bit slowly, and you'll need to wait for the background to load. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

== How do you access this on the homestar runner webstie? ==

Where is it?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 08:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

:[http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/index.html http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/index.html]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

::It's linked from the New button on the main pages... I don't think it's linked to anywhere else on the site though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you acces it through the Homestar runner website?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 04:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
:He just said. That rotating button on the main pages that flashes through the updates. The last of its options usually is Podstar Runner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 04:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

== Podstar Summaries ==

Hey, should we place the Podstar Runner summaries on the pages of the emails/TGS...s? Example:

(from [[dragon)

<blockquote>[[Image:sbemail58picture2a.PNG|thumb|"Check out all his majesty."]]

Kaizer wants to know if Strong Bad can draw a dragon.

'''[[Podstar Runner]] Summary:''' Strong Bad starts a bad drawing revolution.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Trogdor]], [[Coach Z]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]] (Easter egg), [[Strong Sad]]'''

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]</blockquote>

I know it sounds stupid, but, I think it's information that needs to be noted. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

:It ''is'' already noted. Check the Fun Facts. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

::Well, should it be noted up there if people are missing it? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== You know what? ==

Maybe the Bros. Chaps should start uploading these to [http://video.google.com Google Video Beta].

{{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} 05:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

:I doubt they would want to, considering the [http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=31704 terms of use]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

::OK. Well, I've noticed a bug. If you [http://www.live.com/?add=http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/podcast.xml add the podcast to Windows Live], and try to read the description, the .m4v file starts playing automatically where the description should be (if you have QuickTime 6.0 or later). Nevermind the Bullocks (no, I'm not from England), {{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} of the Corn Army, 08:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

== Not a valid Podcast URL? ==

Anyone else having problems with the podcast? Using iTunes 6.0.5 (on OS 10.4.7), when I try to update it says:

<blockquote>
'''"Strong Bad Emails & More!" does not seem to be a valid Podcast URL.''' 
 
Please check that you have entered the correct URL and try again.
</blockquote>

I have checked, and the URL is correct.

[[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 20:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:Try clicking this link, which will bring it up in the iTunes Music Store: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=122139371.

:If you'd rather enter it manually, the correct URL is: http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/podcast.xml. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 02:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== This specific piece of trivia: Are you sure? ==

''When the email ends and returns to the animated iPod menu, "Homestarrunner.com" is highlighted. However, the animated menu at the beginning of the email has "Email" selected. The iPod's memory should keep the selection where it was when you left it, not move back to the top.''

I only have a 4G iPod, so it may not apply to this, but every time it finishes up a playlist or album, it goes back to the main menu and the top word (Music) is highlighted.
But you guys can go ahead and prove me wrong by doing it on your fancy-pants video iPods. I don't mind, really. --[[User:Mashi|Mashi]] 18:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

My iPod Video goes back to Music on the main menu when it's done playing, as well. But it remembers its position in other menus. --[[User:71.197.114.207|71.197.114.207]] 17:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

==Missing videos==

Now that I actually have an iPod, I'm kind of miffed that bottom 10, crying and caffeine were removed from the podcast itself on iTunes. They can still be downloaded off the server from direct linking, yes, but it won't go on my iPod in the podcast section with the rest, and I'm a stickler for organization. Any idea WHY they were removed to begin with? [[User:Evan|Evan]] 05:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

==Zip File==

Does anybody have a zip file containing everything on Podstar Runner? It would be kinda helpful. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 15:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== NEWS UPDATE!!!!: Podstar Runner on PSP ==

If you download the latest firmware update, v 2.80, you can subscribe to the podstar runner podcast via RSS and save podstar toons directly to your psp in the /VIDEO folder! More news at 11:00.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Caper? ==

The link to caper doesn't work anymore. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

*I guess the hiatus since the previous update was so long, the other videos are now hard to download.

== Exclusive Content? ==

I've just bought an iPod and I'm wondering if any of the Podstar Runner content is exclusive. I watch stuff on the site often and want to know if I've been missing anything.[[User:67.191.243.115|67.191.243.115]]

:I think most of the differences are noted in [[Podstar Runner#Fun Facts]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== podcast working? ==

I've been trying from multiple locations to download the podcasts.
I have a DS3 at work and I get nothing.
Something broke?
:It works fine for me. Sometimes the server gets overloaded though... they're big files, after all... especially whenever a new one comes out. If that happens just wait and try again. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== Creative Zen ==

Is there any way to make these compatible with a Creative Zen Vision player?

What video format does it use?
[[User:Anakin4me|The Ugly One]] 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Video iPod? ==

I know this is a stupid question, but is these emails for only video ipod or all ipods?--[[User:68.218.252.203|68.218.252.203]] 03:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I was the one that said that above. I just wasn't logged in.--[[User:Ava|Ava]] 03:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
:If the iPod plays videos, it will work. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 03:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think what he means is, if you download a email to a non-video ipod, will you still be able to hear the email, even though you can't see it?-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 03:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll take this, since no one seems to know the answer. Yes, you can still view a video-podcast on a 4G iPod (that supports podcasts) by viewing the podcast from the Music menu instead of the Video → Video Podcasts menu. It plays the video-podcast as a regular podcast; with only audio. I'm about 90% sure of this, since it can be done this way on a 5G iPod. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 06:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't suppose the second generation iPod nano does podstar?

:My understanding is that the iPod Nano doesn't play any video files. so it wouldn't be able to play podstar runner videos. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

== "crying" ==

My sister wants to watch it. But it's been removed. From both sides. (This article and the Podstar page on the H*R site). What I mean is, the link's broken. --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 23:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:No it isnt... I just went on it.--[[User:X66x66|X66x66]] 23:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::Only 18 SBEmails are kept on the Podstar Runner site at a time. You can still watch it [[HR:sbemail109.html|on the official site]], or you could download the Podstar version from YouTube using a service such as [http://videodownloader.net videodownloader.net]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 23:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::: *attempting Strong Bad speech* Or maybe [http://www.saveyoutube.com Save Youtube.com]! --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Binary Technology description added? ==

When decoded, the description of technology is "Ç,:«�" (Not including quotations) Should that be added to trivia or something? {{User:Steve/sig}} 23:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
:Well, the binary string is 37 bits (in a row), so it's not going to decode correctly in 7-bit or 8-bit ASCII, or any of the Unicode formats, 'cause it's not a whole number of characters. It might be worth noting that the number in binary is 106930066790 in decimal, like on [[technology#Trivia|technology]], but I think it's just too trivial. If you're curious, you can check out [[Talk:technology#Has anyone tried...|the conversation that came up over this last time]], but there's not much there. Just remember, it's important to note the difference between [[Wikipedia:Binary number|binary]], which is just a way of representing numbers, and [[Wikipedia:ASCII|ASCII]], which is one of many ways of making those numbers represent letters and symbols. It's reasonable to assume that the string of 1s and 0s is binary, but it's not ASCII. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Much mirroring to be done, please ==

Ok, the following links seem to have been removed and can no longer be downloaded:
*[[crying]]
*[[bottom 10]]
*[[caffeine]]
*[[different town]]
*[[personal favorites]]
*[[death metal]]
*[[crazy cartoon]]
*[[trevor the vampire]]
*[[stunt double]]
*[[best thing]]
I'd mirror them if I could, but I never downloaded them while they were up. Could someone who has please mirror them? {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 04:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Title !! Download
|-
| [[crying]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_crying.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[bottom 10]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_bottom10.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[caffeine]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_caffeine.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[different town]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_different_town.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[personal favorites]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_personal_favorites.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[death metal]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_death_metal.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[crazy cartoon]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_crazy_cartoon.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[trevor the vampire]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_trevor.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[stunt double]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_stuntdouble.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[best thing]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_best_thing.m4v|download]]
|}
:It's weird that ten out of fifty-three don't work. And it's not like they are the first ten released or anything. How long have you noticed this? I wonder if it's a short term thing. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::I knew [[personal favorites]] was down since early February, since someone posted it on the talk page, but I just realized last night that all these were down. I do know that a few, like [[trevor the vampire]], [[stunt double]], [[caffeine]], and a few others were up at Christmas, seeing as my friend put them on his iPod around that time. Anyway, ''could'' anyone mirror them soon? I'm getting an iPod this weekend, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants these emails on the go :P {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 21:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, not to be a nag, but does anyone have these files? The wiki is kinda incomplete without them. I'd do it myself if i could. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

==Glitches==
Ok, I noticed a few glitches when watching some toons. for one, when watching [[theme park]], the video freezes when before the cut to Pom Pom and Bubs, but the audio keeps going. You can keep going by fast forwarding a few seconds, but it still always freezes at the same place. Also, with TGS's 6-12, they all start off somewhere in the middle of the cartoon (the same place every time), but pressing the left button brings the toon back to the beginning. However, pressing the center button and scrolling to a certain time will always snap you back to a specific point in the toon. For example, fast forwarding anywhere in TGS7 always snaps to the "dipped it in salt" line. Also, holding the right button just blacks out the toon and brings you back to the menu. I know that it's not just my iPod that does these things, seeing as my friend's does the exact same things, but does anyone else have these problems, too? {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}}

==These peoples try to fade me==
The reason I'm guessing that this was released was because the version on the CD (which I have) was not compatible with a 5G iPod (which I also have). I put the CD version on iTunes before, but it just said the video "...cannot be played on this iPod". The m4v version worked. {{User:Mee/sig}}

==iPod Question==
I have the the first gen iPod, that (as far as I know), doesn't play video. Will it play Podcasts? [[User:Kaine|Kaine]] 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
:No, the podcasts are only videos.--{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 01:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
::Pardon my french, but '''****!''' [[User:Kaine|Kaine]] 01:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Dead ==

..it's gone.-[[User:71.170.23.253|71.170.23.253]]
:What's gone? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 16:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::[http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/ http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/] —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh noes! :( --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 16:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::So, could someone start making a mirror of the podcasts? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 16:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::At least people can't download them and post them on YouTube now. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Use archive.org for the mirror making {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 20:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. I'd never heard of that website before. But only sysops can make mirrors. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 20:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Man I just got a new iPod...Is there anyway I can get all of the Podcasts onto my iPod?
:::::::...So... How about that mirror-making? :D I just got a new iPod nano and I'm itching to get some Homestar on it. >_> [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 14:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mirror of Podcasts ==

Can mirrors of the podcast be put up so the ones that were available before it was shutdown be available for download? If so let me know. I think it is a good idea. I really want the email [[virus]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 19:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:One problem I fear will come from making mirrors (No, I do not have the rights or the podcasts): If the service was shut down because too many people posted their podcasts online (I hope you get the irony) then putting them up for download on our website wouldn't do TBC any good. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
::Guess we don't need to worry anymore... Rejoice! :D [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 19:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Moto Q and Flash Question ==

Could any of the podcasts be viewed on a Motorola Q with Windows Media Player? Is there also an early flash file for the page still having the podcasts on?

== Why? ==

I just got a new iPod, and was really disappointed when I realized that you couldn't download the podcasts anymore. Does anyone know why the podcasts were taken off the site? --[[User:Biscuithead1293|Biscuithead1293]] 21:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:My theories:
:# TBC got sick of people downloading podcasts of their internet cartoons and posting them on the internet (I'd be happy to explain the irony if it isn't obvious already)
:# The iPod Touch has an internet brower so they thought people could already use that to watch h*r on an iPod. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, but I just got an iPod Touch, and you can't view flash files on it. --[[User:Biscuithead1293|Biscuithead1293]] 22:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:: the Real theory: BANDWIDTH. 10 MB apiece+ most popular thing on itunes = instant death of website. [[User:Sneakernets|Sneakernets]] 05:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== other MP3 Players ==

do you think it'll work on another type of mp3 player? i have a media converter that came with mine. does anyone have anything other than ipod that has gotten it to work? Jan 8, 2007
[[user:Homsarstrongbad150]]

:Yeah, probably. What kind of file does your mp3 player accept? Or at least what kind of files does your converter accept? I have all of the original podcast episodes in .avi format if you need any.[[User:Metroidpal45|Metroidpal45]]

I have no idea how to check for that. i'll check the user guide. but how do i get them onto my computer is the problem. if i have the files on my computer, i can drag them on the media converter and it'll tell me if it'll work or not. oh, and i'd like crazy cartoon, stunt double, bottom 10, and virus if it's not too much trouble. Homsarstrongbad150[[User:Homsarstrongbad150|Homsarstrongbad150]]

i found out how to get it onto my computer, and my converter doesn't support m4v or whatever of those files are, but my brother has an official ipod with more than enough memory he needs, so i'll work it out with him eventually. until then, i'm putting all of them onto my desktop. [[User:Homsarstrongbad150|Homsarstrongbad150]]

== No Flash? ==

http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/

Is not a flash page, despite homestarrunner.com being in all flash. --[[User:70.226.160.89|70.226.160.89]] 17:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Not Working. ==

the link for "looking old" isn't working. anyone know why?
[[User:Anakin4me|The Ugly One]] 21:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's a mistake. The real link can be found [[podstar:podcast.xml|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== One at a time, please. ==

It looks like Podstar Runner is going to be treated similarly to [[Quote of the Week]], [[Weekly Fanstuff]] and the [[Sketchbook]]. It's my opinion that we should match the page style of [[Quote of the Week]], which would include listing the toons in reverse order. IMO, we also ought to include the screenshot they use in the table(s). {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:The screenshot might be pushing it, but I agree with the rest. That was my interpretation of "one at a time please" too. A good way to solve whatever issues the previous version had. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::Will we be mirroring these (large) files like we do with the small QotW files? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd venture to guess that we wont. Like you said these are large files that would eat up incredible amounts of bandwidth. If we can find a very rich financier then we could probably do something. ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 10:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Name of podcast on iTunes? ==

What is the current name of the podcast on iTunes? I've searched for Homestar Runner, Homestarrunner.com, Strong Bad, The Brothers Chaps, and every other name I could think of, so where is it?? {{unsigned|Homsarian79|02:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)}}
:I don't think it's on iTunes, because it takes up too much bandwith. You'll just have to download the podcasts manually from the XML feed they have. [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 03:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Old Podstar Menu pic ==

Is there a place for the old Podstar Runner menu on this page for posterity's sake?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== m4v Missing? ==

Looking Old's m4v is missing.
:So it is... odd.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::It is there, just under a different filename. [[podstar:sbemail164.m4v]]. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 23:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== folder ==

What folder on the iPod do I put the m4v? -{{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}} 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:You put it in iTunes and sync your iPod to iTunes.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 23:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Could you be more specific? Where in the iTunes folder? -{{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}}
:::Just open the m4v, iTunes should automatically open, and then it's automatically in your iTunes. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 05:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

On Windows 98, even with Quicktime 6.5.2 installed, it seems the audio works but the video does not. Any input? (aside from "upgrade your OS", whic is not an option at present) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps Quicktime uses DirectX for which Win98 would have an older version? (is QT 6.5.2 the overall latest version or just the latest version available for W98). Another option is to use a 3rd party video player such as [http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ VideoLAN]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mirror? ==

I have found most of the old toons on Podstar, on the Wayback Machine. Should they be put on this page? {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 04:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but they already {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Podstar_Runner&diff=534511&oldid=534389 are}}. If you meant add individual links... that's another story. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Artwork? ==

When I downloaded the old podcasts a while ago, they came with artwork, but the recent ones that I've downloaded don't have artwork, and the thumbnail for the video in iTunes is a picture that iTunes takes a little ways into the video (Strong Bad at his computer). Are other people experiencing this? I should note that I download the episodes from podstar.homestarrunner.com rather than through iTunes.

== Podcast Previews ==

Are they taking pictures from the Wiki or is it just a coincidence that they matched the pictures in the Wiki's articles? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:this is probably forum talk, no? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Nobody followed the checklist ==

Is there a place where we can move it so more people can see it? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::Be paitent. This is just a week-old way of doing it. Give people time to catch on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Would it be a good idea to add a link in that Weeklie checklist in [[Talk:Quote of the Week]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

==Has anyone noticed...==
*That TBC use *our* Wiki screenshots for their thumbnails for the Podcast. That is so l33t. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
**Wow, you're right! That's awesome. {{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 14:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
***Should we mention this under the Remarks section? They've really done it six weeks in a row.--[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 23:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== Is it just me or... ==
4-5 of the podcasts SO FAR have had the lines "DNA Evidence" will TBC be adding the DNA toon to the podcasts menu? --[[User:Chrisyroid|Chrisyroid]] 21:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:I guess we'll have to see. They seem to be going in order of release since [[looking old]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Or, to be more specific, they are going in order of release since the first email to come out in 2007. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Even more specifically, they seem to be choosing emails that go in order of release since looking old. I don't think this toon will appear for a while. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== How do you download the old emails? ==
I checked the page, but only "from work" is available; I can't find any of the other emails on the list. Huh?
:Yep, with this incarnation of the podcast, only the latest email is available at any one time. I guess they're trying to limit how much bandwidth the whole operation takes... since that's most likely what brought it down last time. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Split? ==
Thinking aloud... would it be a good idea to split this page into [[Podstar Runner]] and [[Podstar Runner 2006]] (or some equally imaginative title)? The page is a bit crowded and confusing at the moment, with transcripts, and blocks of text, and fun facts, all with little qualifiers about whether they're talking about the new podcast or the old one (and even now, some facts talk about the old podcast in the present tense)... it would be a lot simpler to treat them as separate services, and have them on separate pages... maybe with one of those "preceeded by/succeeded by" bars like on the [[Intro]]s. After all, they're rather different... the only real thing they have in common is that they're both podcasts... 99% of the stuff we have in Fun Facts is different between the two. Thoughts? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
: I agree with Phlip. Two separate pages would make sense given the sustantial amount of information and lists presently combined on this one article. We've done the same to [[New Paper]] and [[The Paper]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 20:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::That might be a good idea. Unlike say [[Punkin Stencils]], where one page can neatly contain all the info, Podstar Runner has a lot of associated information (Fun Facts, transcripts, etc.) that are different depending on the version. By splitting, that might also eliminate some of the problems with the intro, which seems bit too wordy (I know, a rare problem for this wiki, but still...) It would probably also fix the listing of previously available podcasts, which is only going to get worse as time goes on. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 21:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::[[Podstar Runner 2006]] would probably look [[User:Wbwolf/MainMock|something like this]]. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 21:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I see no problem with splitting the article. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== Broken Wayback Files ==

When I tried to download bottom 10 and caper from the Wayback Machine, the site said the files could not be found. Can this problem be fixed? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:We don't have any control over the Wayback Machine, it's run by [http://www.archive.org/about/about.php other people]... so no, we can't fix it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::Would those people be able to fix it? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== 2008 Screencap ==

[[Image:PodstarFacePrint.png|thumb|The current picture]]
[[Image:Strong Bad Face Print.PNG|thumb|The one I uploaded]]
I think we should start a wider discussion on which of these ending screencaps would be more appropiate. I personally think it's preposterous to include Strong Bad in the old ending but not the current one, and if someone (like I did) accidentally glanced at the picture before reading the description they would not know what the heck is going on. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno, I think the one you uploaded makes it harder to interpret what's going on, because the faceprint is more difficult to see in that one. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 18:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

{{clear}}
== Picture ==

What's this pic: <nowiki>http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/hrpodcast_pic.jpg</nowiki> {{User:The thing/sig}} 01:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:As seen [[Podstar Runner 2006|here]], the picture advertised Homestar at the iTunes Music Store. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help with RSS ==
Please help me! I have no idea how to get the RSS on my ipod! I need serious help. [[User: MichaelXX2|MichaelXX2]]
==Hiatus==

As of 6/12, it looks like there aren't going to be any new episodes for a while

== Help? ==

I download "yes wrestling" last week and now that diorama is out, the latter is the only one that shows up on my iPod while the former is no long there. Is that supposed to happen?

== How to watch on PSP ==
Just put the swf files on your memory stick and navigate to them in the PSP's browser with address "file:/path-to-the-files-on-your-ms/homsar.swf" You can use FireFox to make an index page once you've copied them over - just do a quick search and replace routine to make the URLs relative. Most of the toons will play because they're fairly small but some of the bigger ones wont. You might have to re-encode those.

Does anybody have a homestar runner theme or gameboot for the PSP? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

:I found this psp wallpaper: http://www.psp411.com/show/mods/873/0/Homestar_Runner_Wallpaper_PSP_Mod.html --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 21:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Weekly Fanstuff

2008-07-11T17:06:33Z

Nerd42:

{{about|weekly updated fanstuff which began on January 27, 2004}} {{for|older fan material in the Museum|Fan Stuff}}

{{Weekly Fanstuff}}

'''Weekly Fanstuff''' is a collection of fan-submitted [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] projects and pictures. These are viewed by clicking on the ''F'' button at the top of the [[Main Pages]], and are generally updated on Thursdays. Here is a list of all the fanstuff appearances in 2008.

''As of November 22nd, 2004, the [[HR:weeklies/fanstuff_pic.jpg|image]] and [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|text]] are no longer part of the [[HR:fanstuff.swf|Flash file]].'' 

Fanstuff can be sent to [[The Brothers Chaps]] at their [[email]] address: "[mailto:brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com]"

{{clear}}
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="200" | Image !! width="15%" | Date !! Text !! Description

|- id="WF-2008-07-10"
|[[Image:WF-2008-07-10.png|200px|made with beads]] || 10 Jul 2008 || made with beads || [[Strong Bad]] from [[RhinoFeeder]], [[Stinkoman]] from [[Stinkoman 20X6]], and the icon for the [[Strong Bad Clock]] Windows application made from beads.

|- id="WF-2008-06-26"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-26.png|200px|bust of strong bad]] || 26 Jun 2008 || bust of strong bad || A small [[Wikipedia:Bust (sculpture)|bust]] of [[Strong Bad]].

|- id="WF-2008-06-19"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-19.png|200px|homespore runner]] || 19 Jun 2008 || homespore runner || [[Homestar Runner]] models created using the [[wikipedia:Spore (2008 video game)|Spore Creature Creator]]. [http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-Homestar%3Asast-500000438344 Link to Sporepedia entry].

|- id="WF-2008-06-05"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-05.png|200px|the trogbloons floateth?]] || 05 Jun 2008 || the trogbloons floateth? || Released balloons that sort of look like [[Trogdor]]. The title is a play on the [[#WF-2008-05-22|previous]] weekly fanstuff and fanstuff from [[Weekly Fanstuff 2007#WF-2007-01-11|January 11, 2007]].

|- id="WF-2008-05-22"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-22.png|200px|the trogstorm cometh?]] || 22 May 2008 || the trogstorm cometh? || Weather radar image of a [[Trogdor]]-shaped storm centered over [[Wikipedia: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma|Oklahoma City, Oklahoma]] on May 7, 2008. The title is a play on the Eugene O'Neill play ''[[Wikipedia:The Iceman Cometh|The Iceman Cometh]]''.

|- id="WF-2008-05-16"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-16.PNG|200px|clay zombie army]] || 16 May 2008 || clay zombie army || Clay sculptures of all 12 main characters.

|- id="WF-2008-05-08"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-08.png|200px|strong badia playset]] || 08 May 2008 || strong badia playset || A fan-made playset with [[collectible figurine]] versions of [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]]. A [[Bear holding a Shark]], [[General Tso's Chicken]], and the [[Stop Sign]] can also be seen.

|- id="WF-2008-05-02"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-02.png|200px|vinyl toy bubs mod]] || 02 May 2008 || vinyl toy bubs mod || A toy model of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], with [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], and [[Coach Z]] standing around it. The Bubs is made from a [[Wikipedia:Munny|Munny]], while the stand is made from a Soopa Coin-Up Bros. More pictures can be seen [http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekoala/sets/72157604742650248/ here].

|- id="WF-2008-04-24"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-24.png|200px|toga yoga bubs mosiac]] || 24 Apr 2008 || toga yoga bubs mosiac || A mosiac of [[Bubs]] in the toga he wore in [[DNA Evidence]]. Made by HRWiki user [[User:Ekul|Ekul]]. See [[HRFWiki:Image:Bubs mosaic.jpg|the HRFWiki]] for the complete picture.

|- id="WF-2008-04-17"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-17.png|200px|bear holding a shark feva]] || 17 Apr 2008 || bear holding a shark feva || A pair of fan versions of [[Bear Holding A Shark]]. One of the "bears" appears to be a [[Wikipedia:Tasmanian Devil (Looney Tunes)|Tasmanian Devil]] figure.

|- id="WF-2008-03-29"
|[[Image:Fanstuff 2008-03-29.png|200px|tgs supcakes]] || 29 Mar 2008 || TGS Supcakes || A collection of cupcakes iced with the [[Teen Girl Squad]] girls. [[Cheerleader]]'s shirt is "who ♥ed?", from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-20"
|[[Image:Fanstuff32008.PNG|200px|ees deg!]] || 20 Mar 2008 || ees deg! || An Easter [[egg]] with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]] in [[The Field]] painted on it. The design seems to be based on [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|a poster available in the Store]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-13"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-13-08.png|200px|trogdor smash bros level]] || 13 Mar 2008 || trogdor smash bros level || A customized Trogdor-themed level of [[Wikipedia:Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. The players shown on screen are [[Wikipedia:R.O.B.|R.O.B.]], [[Wikipedia:Captain Olimar|Captain Olimar]] of the [[Wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] series, and [[Mario]]. Gameplay footage of this level can be found [[Youtube:vitCJjEU7_g|here]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-7-08.png|200px|StrongBadGirlSquadstume]] || 07 Mar 2008 || strongbadgirlsquadstume || A young woman dressed as [[Strong Bad]], posing with homemade models of [[The Ugly One]], [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], and [[What's Her Face]].

|- id="WF-2008-02-28"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 02-28-2008.png|200px|trogdor ice sculpture]] || 28 Feb 2008 || trogdor ice sculpture || A [[Wikipedia:snow sculpture|snow sculpture]] of [[Trogdor]] burninating a [[peasant]] and his [[thatched-roof cottage]]. (The statue was part of Winter Carnival at [[Wikipedia:Michigan Tech University| Michigan Tech University]].)

|- id="WF-2008-02-14"
|[[Image:SignLaos.png|200px|on a sign in laos]] || 14 Feb 2008 || on a sign in laos || An [[Engrish]] sign in [[Wikipedia:Laos| Laos]] warning to "avoid [[The Cheat]]". 
See also [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-14|the Sketchbook]]

|- id="WF-2008-02-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 2-7-08.png|200px|i beat the cube!]]|| 07 Feb 2008 || i beat the cube! || A [[Wikipedia:Rubik's Cube|Rubik's Cube]] depicting [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]] and [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-31"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-31-08.png|200px|big ol' trogdor plush]]|| 31 Jan 2008 || big ol' trogdor plush || A big plushie of [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-24"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-24-08.png|200px|awesome 3d poopsmith]]|| 24 Jan 2008 || awesome 3d poopsmith || A CG picture of [[The Poopsmith]] shoveling [[whatsit]]. This image later became a [[Wallpaper#Other Wallpaper|wallpaper image]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-17"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-17-08.png|200px|pretend he's parson jim]]|| 17 Jan 2008 || pretend he's parson jim || A [[Strong Bad]] snowman. The caption refers to a line from the song "[[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|Winter Wonderland]]". The name "Parson Jim" was first used in [[modeling]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-10"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-10-08.png|200px|cut paper snowflake]]|| 10 Jan 2008 || cut paper snowflake || [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], and [[Trogdor]] in a snowflake made of cut paper.
|}

==Fun Facts==
*If you click the ''F'' button repeatedly while it is still loading, the caption will move up the box. The more times you click it, the farther the text will move.
*Until August 9, 2007, the Weekly Fanstuff of June 21, 2007 had not been updated for seven weeks, the longest hiatus between pop-up updates on record.

==See Also==
*[[Museum]]
*[[Fan Stuff]]
*[[Secret_Pages_XML_Source#Weeklies_XML_File|Secret Pages XML Source]]

== External Links ==
*Click on the F on any [[HR:{{randommainpage}}.html|main page]] to see the most recent fanstuff.
*[[HR:fanstuff.swf|view the Flash file for the current fanstuff]]
[[Category:Fan Material]][[Category: Regular Updates]]
{{H*RNav}}

Weekly Fanstuff

2008-07-11T17:05:16Z

Nerd42:

{{about|weekly updated fanstuff which began on January 27, 2004}} {{for|older fan material in the Museum|Fan Stuff}}

{{Weekly Fanstuff}}

'''Weekly Fanstuff''' is a collection of fan-submitted [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] projects and pictures. These are viewed by clicking on the ''F'' button at the top of the [[Main Pages]], and are generally updated on Thursdays. Here is a list of all the fanstuff appearances in 2008.

''As of November 22nd, 2004, the [[HR:weeklies/fanstuff_pic.jpg|image]] and [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|text]] are no longer part of the [[HR:fanstuff.swf|Flash file]].'' 

Fanstuff can be sent to the Brothers Chaps at their [[email]] address: "[mailto:brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com]"

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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="200" | Image !! width="15%" | Date !! Text !! Description

|- id="WF-2008-07-10"
|[[Image:WF-2008-07-10.png|200px|made with beads]] || 10 Jul 2008 || made with beads || [[Strong Bad]] from [[RhinoFeeder]], [[Stinkoman]] from [[Stinkoman 20X6]], and the icon for the [[Strong Bad Clock]] Windows application made from beads.

|- id="WF-2008-06-26"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-26.png|200px|bust of strong bad]] || 26 Jun 2008 || bust of strong bad || A small [[Wikipedia:Bust (sculpture)|bust]] of [[Strong Bad]].

|- id="WF-2008-06-19"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-19.png|200px|homespore runner]] || 19 Jun 2008 || homespore runner || [[Homestar Runner]] models created using the [[wikipedia:Spore (2008 video game)|Spore Creature Creator]]. [http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-Homestar%3Asast-500000438344 Link to Sporepedia entry].

|- id="WF-2008-06-05"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-05.png|200px|the trogbloons floateth?]] || 05 Jun 2008 || the trogbloons floateth? || Released balloons that sort of look like [[Trogdor]]. The title is a play on the [[#WF-2008-05-22|previous]] weekly fanstuff and fanstuff from [[Weekly Fanstuff 2007#WF-2007-01-11|January 11, 2007]].

|- id="WF-2008-05-22"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-22.png|200px|the trogstorm cometh?]] || 22 May 2008 || the trogstorm cometh? || Weather radar image of a [[Trogdor]]-shaped storm centered over [[Wikipedia: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma|Oklahoma City, Oklahoma]] on May 7, 2008. The title is a play on the Eugene O'Neill play ''[[Wikipedia:The Iceman Cometh|The Iceman Cometh]]''.

|- id="WF-2008-05-16"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-16.PNG|200px|clay zombie army]] || 16 May 2008 || clay zombie army || Clay sculptures of all 12 main characters.

|- id="WF-2008-05-08"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-08.png|200px|strong badia playset]] || 08 May 2008 || strong badia playset || A fan-made playset with [[collectible figurine]] versions of [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]]. A [[Bear holding a Shark]], [[General Tso's Chicken]], and the [[Stop Sign]] can also be seen.

|- id="WF-2008-05-02"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-02.png|200px|vinyl toy bubs mod]] || 02 May 2008 || vinyl toy bubs mod || A toy model of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], with [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], and [[Coach Z]] standing around it. The Bubs is made from a [[Wikipedia:Munny|Munny]], while the stand is made from a Soopa Coin-Up Bros. More pictures can be seen [http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekoala/sets/72157604742650248/ here].

|- id="WF-2008-04-24"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-24.png|200px|toga yoga bubs mosiac]] || 24 Apr 2008 || toga yoga bubs mosiac || A mosiac of [[Bubs]] in the toga he wore in [[DNA Evidence]]. Made by HRWiki user [[User:Ekul|Ekul]]. See [[HRFWiki:Image:Bubs mosaic.jpg|the HRFWiki]] for the complete picture.

|- id="WF-2008-04-17"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-17.png|200px|bear holding a shark feva]] || 17 Apr 2008 || bear holding a shark feva || A pair of fan versions of [[Bear Holding A Shark]]. One of the "bears" appears to be a [[Wikipedia:Tasmanian Devil (Looney Tunes)|Tasmanian Devil]] figure.

|- id="WF-2008-03-29"
|[[Image:Fanstuff 2008-03-29.png|200px|tgs supcakes]] || 29 Mar 2008 || TGS Supcakes || A collection of cupcakes iced with the [[Teen Girl Squad]] girls. [[Cheerleader]]'s shirt is "who ♥ed?", from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-20"
|[[Image:Fanstuff32008.PNG|200px|ees deg!]] || 20 Mar 2008 || ees deg! || An Easter [[egg]] with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]] in [[The Field]] painted on it. The design seems to be based on [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|a poster available in the Store]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-13"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-13-08.png|200px|trogdor smash bros level]] || 13 Mar 2008 || trogdor smash bros level || A customized Trogdor-themed level of [[Wikipedia:Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. The players shown on screen are [[Wikipedia:R.O.B.|R.O.B.]], [[Wikipedia:Captain Olimar|Captain Olimar]] of the [[Wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] series, and [[Mario]]. Gameplay footage of this level can be found [[Youtube:vitCJjEU7_g|here]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-7-08.png|200px|StrongBadGirlSquadstume]] || 07 Mar 2008 || strongbadgirlsquadstume || A young woman dressed as [[Strong Bad]], posing with homemade models of [[The Ugly One]], [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], and [[What's Her Face]].

|- id="WF-2008-02-28"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 02-28-2008.png|200px|trogdor ice sculpture]] || 28 Feb 2008 || trogdor ice sculpture || A [[Wikipedia:snow sculpture|snow sculpture]] of [[Trogdor]] burninating a [[peasant]] and his [[thatched-roof cottage]]. (The statue was part of Winter Carnival at [[Wikipedia:Michigan Tech University| Michigan Tech University]].)

|- id="WF-2008-02-14"
|[[Image:SignLaos.png|200px|on a sign in laos]] || 14 Feb 2008 || on a sign in laos || An [[Engrish]] sign in [[Wikipedia:Laos| Laos]] warning to "avoid [[The Cheat]]". 
See also [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-14|the Sketchbook]]

|- id="WF-2008-02-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 2-7-08.png|200px|i beat the cube!]]|| 07 Feb 2008 || i beat the cube! || A [[Wikipedia:Rubik's Cube|Rubik's Cube]] depicting [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]] and [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-31"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-31-08.png|200px|big ol' trogdor plush]]|| 31 Jan 2008 || big ol' trogdor plush || A big plushie of [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-24"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-24-08.png|200px|awesome 3d poopsmith]]|| 24 Jan 2008 || awesome 3d poopsmith || A CG picture of [[The Poopsmith]] shoveling [[whatsit]]. This image later became a [[Wallpaper#Other Wallpaper|wallpaper image]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-17"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-17-08.png|200px|pretend he's parson jim]]|| 17 Jan 2008 || pretend he's parson jim || A [[Strong Bad]] snowman. The caption refers to a line from the song "[[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|Winter Wonderland]]". The name "Parson Jim" was first used in [[modeling]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-10"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-10-08.png|200px|cut paper snowflake]]|| 10 Jan 2008 || cut paper snowflake || [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], and [[Trogdor]] in a snowflake made of cut paper.
|}

==Fun Facts==
*If you click the ''F'' button repeatedly while it is still loading, the caption will move up the box. The more times you click it, the farther the text will move.
*Until August 9, 2007, the Weekly Fanstuff of June 21, 2007 had not been updated for seven weeks, the longest hiatus between pop-up updates on record.

==See Also==
*[[Museum]]
*[[Fan Stuff]]
*[[Secret_Pages_XML_Source#Weeklies_XML_File|Secret Pages XML Source]]

== External Links ==
*Click on the F on any [[HR:{{randommainpage}}.html|main page]] to see the most recent fanstuff.
*[[HR:fanstuff.swf|view the Flash file for the current fanstuff]]
[[Category:Fan Material]][[Category: Regular Updates]]
{{H*RNav}}

Weekly Fanstuff

2008-07-11T17:04:53Z

Nerd42:

{{about|weekly updated fanstuff which began on January 27, 2004}} {{for|older fan material in the Museum|Fan Stuff}}

{{Weekly Fanstuff}}

'''Weekly Fanstuff''' is a collection of fan-submitted [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] projects and pictures. These are viewed by clicking on the ''F'' button at the top of the [[Main Pages]], and are generally updated on Thursdays. Here is a list of all the fanstuff appearances in 2008.

''As of November 22nd, 2004, the [[HR:weeklies/fanstuff_pic.jpg|image]] and [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|text]] are no longer part of the [[HR:fanstuff.swf|Flash file]].'' 

Fanstuff can be sent to the Brothers Chaps at their [[email]] address: brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com

{{clear}}
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="200" | Image !! width="15%" | Date !! Text !! Description

|- id="WF-2008-07-10"
|[[Image:WF-2008-07-10.png|200px|made with beads]] || 10 Jul 2008 || made with beads || [[Strong Bad]] from [[RhinoFeeder]], [[Stinkoman]] from [[Stinkoman 20X6]], and the icon for the [[Strong Bad Clock]] Windows application made from beads.

|- id="WF-2008-06-26"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-26.png|200px|bust of strong bad]] || 26 Jun 2008 || bust of strong bad || A small [[Wikipedia:Bust (sculpture)|bust]] of [[Strong Bad]].

|- id="WF-2008-06-19"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-19.png|200px|homespore runner]] || 19 Jun 2008 || homespore runner || [[Homestar Runner]] models created using the [[wikipedia:Spore (2008 video game)|Spore Creature Creator]]. [http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-Homestar%3Asast-500000438344 Link to Sporepedia entry].

|- id="WF-2008-06-05"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-05.png|200px|the trogbloons floateth?]] || 05 Jun 2008 || the trogbloons floateth? || Released balloons that sort of look like [[Trogdor]]. The title is a play on the [[#WF-2008-05-22|previous]] weekly fanstuff and fanstuff from [[Weekly Fanstuff 2007#WF-2007-01-11|January 11, 2007]].

|- id="WF-2008-05-22"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-22.png|200px|the trogstorm cometh?]] || 22 May 2008 || the trogstorm cometh? || Weather radar image of a [[Trogdor]]-shaped storm centered over [[Wikipedia: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma|Oklahoma City, Oklahoma]] on May 7, 2008. The title is a play on the Eugene O'Neill play ''[[Wikipedia:The Iceman Cometh|The Iceman Cometh]]''.

|- id="WF-2008-05-16"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-16.PNG|200px|clay zombie army]] || 16 May 2008 || clay zombie army || Clay sculptures of all 12 main characters.

|- id="WF-2008-05-08"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-08.png|200px|strong badia playset]] || 08 May 2008 || strong badia playset || A fan-made playset with [[collectible figurine]] versions of [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]]. A [[Bear holding a Shark]], [[General Tso's Chicken]], and the [[Stop Sign]] can also be seen.

|- id="WF-2008-05-02"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-02.png|200px|vinyl toy bubs mod]] || 02 May 2008 || vinyl toy bubs mod || A toy model of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], with [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], and [[Coach Z]] standing around it. The Bubs is made from a [[Wikipedia:Munny|Munny]], while the stand is made from a Soopa Coin-Up Bros. More pictures can be seen [http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekoala/sets/72157604742650248/ here].

|- id="WF-2008-04-24"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-24.png|200px|toga yoga bubs mosiac]] || 24 Apr 2008 || toga yoga bubs mosiac || A mosiac of [[Bubs]] in the toga he wore in [[DNA Evidence]]. Made by HRWiki user [[User:Ekul|Ekul]]. See [[HRFWiki:Image:Bubs mosaic.jpg|the HRFWiki]] for the complete picture.

|- id="WF-2008-04-17"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-17.png|200px|bear holding a shark feva]] || 17 Apr 2008 || bear holding a shark feva || A pair of fan versions of [[Bear Holding A Shark]]. One of the "bears" appears to be a [[Wikipedia:Tasmanian Devil (Looney Tunes)|Tasmanian Devil]] figure.

|- id="WF-2008-03-29"
|[[Image:Fanstuff 2008-03-29.png|200px|tgs supcakes]] || 29 Mar 2008 || TGS Supcakes || A collection of cupcakes iced with the [[Teen Girl Squad]] girls. [[Cheerleader]]'s shirt is "who ♥ed?", from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-20"
|[[Image:Fanstuff32008.PNG|200px|ees deg!]] || 20 Mar 2008 || ees deg! || An Easter [[egg]] with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]] in [[The Field]] painted on it. The design seems to be based on [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|a poster available in the Store]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-13"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-13-08.png|200px|trogdor smash bros level]] || 13 Mar 2008 || trogdor smash bros level || A customized Trogdor-themed level of [[Wikipedia:Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. The players shown on screen are [[Wikipedia:R.O.B.|R.O.B.]], [[Wikipedia:Captain Olimar|Captain Olimar]] of the [[Wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] series, and [[Mario]]. Gameplay footage of this level can be found [[Youtube:vitCJjEU7_g|here]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-7-08.png|200px|StrongBadGirlSquadstume]] || 07 Mar 2008 || strongbadgirlsquadstume || A young woman dressed as [[Strong Bad]], posing with homemade models of [[The Ugly One]], [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], and [[What's Her Face]].

|- id="WF-2008-02-28"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 02-28-2008.png|200px|trogdor ice sculpture]] || 28 Feb 2008 || trogdor ice sculpture || A [[Wikipedia:snow sculpture|snow sculpture]] of [[Trogdor]] burninating a [[peasant]] and his [[thatched-roof cottage]]. (The statue was part of Winter Carnival at [[Wikipedia:Michigan Tech University| Michigan Tech University]].)

|- id="WF-2008-02-14"
|[[Image:SignLaos.png|200px|on a sign in laos]] || 14 Feb 2008 || on a sign in laos || An [[Engrish]] sign in [[Wikipedia:Laos| Laos]] warning to "avoid [[The Cheat]]". 
See also [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-14|the Sketchbook]]

|- id="WF-2008-02-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 2-7-08.png|200px|i beat the cube!]]|| 07 Feb 2008 || i beat the cube! || A [[Wikipedia:Rubik's Cube|Rubik's Cube]] depicting [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]] and [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-31"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-31-08.png|200px|big ol' trogdor plush]]|| 31 Jan 2008 || big ol' trogdor plush || A big plushie of [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-24"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-24-08.png|200px|awesome 3d poopsmith]]|| 24 Jan 2008 || awesome 3d poopsmith || A CG picture of [[The Poopsmith]] shoveling [[whatsit]]. This image later became a [[Wallpaper#Other Wallpaper|wallpaper image]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-17"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-17-08.png|200px|pretend he's parson jim]]|| 17 Jan 2008 || pretend he's parson jim || A [[Strong Bad]] snowman. The caption refers to a line from the song "[[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|Winter Wonderland]]". The name "Parson Jim" was first used in [[modeling]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-10"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-10-08.png|200px|cut paper snowflake]]|| 10 Jan 2008 || cut paper snowflake || [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], and [[Trogdor]] in a snowflake made of cut paper.
|}

==Fun Facts==
*If you click the ''F'' button repeatedly while it is still loading, the caption will move up the box. The more times you click it, the farther the text will move.
*Until August 9, 2007, the Weekly Fanstuff of June 21, 2007 had not been updated for seven weeks, the longest hiatus between pop-up updates on record.

==See Also==
*[[Museum]]
*[[Fan Stuff]]
*[[Secret_Pages_XML_Source#Weeklies_XML_File|Secret Pages XML Source]]

== External Links ==
*Click on the F on any [[HR:{{randommainpage}}.html|main page]] to see the most recent fanstuff.
*[[HR:fanstuff.swf|view the Flash file for the current fanstuff]]
[[Category:Fan Material]][[Category: Regular Updates]]
{{H*RNav}}

Weekly Fanstuff

2008-07-11T17:04:34Z

Nerd42:

{{about|weekly updated fanstuff which began on January 27, 2004}} {{for|older fan material in the Museum|Fan Stuff}}

{{Weekly Fanstuff}}

'''Weekly Fanstuff''' is a collection of fan-submitted [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] projects and pictures. These are viewed by clicking on the ''F'' button at the top of the [[Main Pages]], and are generally updated on Thursdays. Here is a list of all the fanstuff appearances in 2008.

''As of November 22nd, 2004, the [[HR:weeklies/fanstuff_pic.jpg|image]] and [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|text]] are no longer part of the [[HR:fanstuff.swf|Flash file]].'' 

Fanstuff can be send to the Brothers Chaps at their [[email]] address: [brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com]

{{clear}}
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="200" | Image !! width="15%" | Date !! Text !! Description

|- id="WF-2008-07-10"
|[[Image:WF-2008-07-10.png|200px|made with beads]] || 10 Jul 2008 || made with beads || [[Strong Bad]] from [[RhinoFeeder]], [[Stinkoman]] from [[Stinkoman 20X6]], and the icon for the [[Strong Bad Clock]] Windows application made from beads.

|- id="WF-2008-06-26"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-26.png|200px|bust of strong bad]] || 26 Jun 2008 || bust of strong bad || A small [[Wikipedia:Bust (sculpture)|bust]] of [[Strong Bad]].

|- id="WF-2008-06-19"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-19.png|200px|homespore runner]] || 19 Jun 2008 || homespore runner || [[Homestar Runner]] models created using the [[wikipedia:Spore (2008 video game)|Spore Creature Creator]]. [http://www.spore.com/sporepedia#qry=srch-Homestar%3Asast-500000438344 Link to Sporepedia entry].

|- id="WF-2008-06-05"
|[[Image:WF-2008-06-05.png|200px|the trogbloons floateth?]] || 05 Jun 2008 || the trogbloons floateth? || Released balloons that sort of look like [[Trogdor]]. The title is a play on the [[#WF-2008-05-22|previous]] weekly fanstuff and fanstuff from [[Weekly Fanstuff 2007#WF-2007-01-11|January 11, 2007]].

|- id="WF-2008-05-22"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-22.png|200px|the trogstorm cometh?]] || 22 May 2008 || the trogstorm cometh? || Weather radar image of a [[Trogdor]]-shaped storm centered over [[Wikipedia: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma|Oklahoma City, Oklahoma]] on May 7, 2008. The title is a play on the Eugene O'Neill play ''[[Wikipedia:The Iceman Cometh|The Iceman Cometh]]''.

|- id="WF-2008-05-16"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-16.PNG|200px|clay zombie army]] || 16 May 2008 || clay zombie army || Clay sculptures of all 12 main characters.

|- id="WF-2008-05-08"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-08.png|200px|strong badia playset]] || 08 May 2008 || strong badia playset || A fan-made playset with [[collectible figurine]] versions of [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Cheat]]. A [[Bear holding a Shark]], [[General Tso's Chicken]], and the [[Stop Sign]] can also be seen.

|- id="WF-2008-05-02"
|[[Image:WF-2008-05-02.png|200px|vinyl toy bubs mod]] || 02 May 2008 || vinyl toy bubs mod || A toy model of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], with [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], and [[Coach Z]] standing around it. The Bubs is made from a [[Wikipedia:Munny|Munny]], while the stand is made from a Soopa Coin-Up Bros. More pictures can be seen [http://www.flickr.com/photos/ekoala/sets/72157604742650248/ here].

|- id="WF-2008-04-24"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-24.png|200px|toga yoga bubs mosiac]] || 24 Apr 2008 || toga yoga bubs mosiac || A mosiac of [[Bubs]] in the toga he wore in [[DNA Evidence]]. Made by HRWiki user [[User:Ekul|Ekul]]. See [[HRFWiki:Image:Bubs mosaic.jpg|the HRFWiki]] for the complete picture.

|- id="WF-2008-04-17"
|[[Image:WF-2008-04-17.png|200px|bear holding a shark feva]] || 17 Apr 2008 || bear holding a shark feva || A pair of fan versions of [[Bear Holding A Shark]]. One of the "bears" appears to be a [[Wikipedia:Tasmanian Devil (Looney Tunes)|Tasmanian Devil]] figure.

|- id="WF-2008-03-29"
|[[Image:Fanstuff 2008-03-29.png|200px|tgs supcakes]] || 29 Mar 2008 || TGS Supcakes || A collection of cupcakes iced with the [[Teen Girl Squad]] girls. [[Cheerleader]]'s shirt is "who ♥ed?", from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-20"
|[[Image:Fanstuff32008.PNG|200px|ees deg!]] || 20 Mar 2008 || ees deg! || An Easter [[egg]] with [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Strong Bad]] in [[The Field]] painted on it. The design seems to be based on [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|a poster available in the Store]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-13"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-13-08.png|200px|trogdor smash bros level]] || 13 Mar 2008 || trogdor smash bros level || A customized Trogdor-themed level of [[Wikipedia:Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Super Smash Bros. Brawl]]. The players shown on screen are [[Wikipedia:R.O.B.|R.O.B.]], [[Wikipedia:Captain Olimar|Captain Olimar]] of the [[Wikipedia:Pikmin (series)|Pikmin]] series, and [[Mario]]. Gameplay footage of this level can be found [[Youtube:vitCJjEU7_g|here]].

|- id="WF-2008-03-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 3-7-08.png|200px|StrongBadGirlSquadstume]] || 07 Mar 2008 || strongbadgirlsquadstume || A young woman dressed as [[Strong Bad]], posing with homemade models of [[The Ugly One]], [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], and [[What's Her Face]].

|- id="WF-2008-02-28"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 02-28-2008.png|200px|trogdor ice sculpture]] || 28 Feb 2008 || trogdor ice sculpture || A [[Wikipedia:snow sculpture|snow sculpture]] of [[Trogdor]] burninating a [[peasant]] and his [[thatched-roof cottage]]. (The statue was part of Winter Carnival at [[Wikipedia:Michigan Tech University| Michigan Tech University]].)

|- id="WF-2008-02-14"
|[[Image:SignLaos.png|200px|on a sign in laos]] || 14 Feb 2008 || on a sign in laos || An [[Engrish]] sign in [[Wikipedia:Laos| Laos]] warning to "avoid [[The Cheat]]". 
See also [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-14|the Sketchbook]]

|- id="WF-2008-02-07"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 2-7-08.png|200px|i beat the cube!]]|| 07 Feb 2008 || i beat the cube! || A [[Wikipedia:Rubik's Cube|Rubik's Cube]] depicting [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]] and [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-31"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-31-08.png|200px|big ol' trogdor plush]]|| 31 Jan 2008 || big ol' trogdor plush || A big plushie of [[Trogdor]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-24"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-24-08.png|200px|awesome 3d poopsmith]]|| 24 Jan 2008 || awesome 3d poopsmith || A CG picture of [[The Poopsmith]] shoveling [[whatsit]]. This image later became a [[Wallpaper#Other Wallpaper|wallpaper image]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-17"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-17-08.png|200px|pretend he's parson jim]]|| 17 Jan 2008 || pretend he's parson jim || A [[Strong Bad]] snowman. The caption refers to a line from the song "[[Wikipedia:Winter Wonderland|Winter Wonderland]]". The name "Parson Jim" was first used in [[modeling]].

|- id="WF-2008-01-10"
|[[Image:Weekly Fanstuff 1-10-08.png|200px|cut paper snowflake]]|| 10 Jan 2008 || cut paper snowflake || [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Homestar Runner]], and [[Trogdor]] in a snowflake made of cut paper.
|}

==Fun Facts==
*If you click the ''F'' button repeatedly while it is still loading, the caption will move up the box. The more times you click it, the farther the text will move.
*Until August 9, 2007, the Weekly Fanstuff of June 21, 2007 had not been updated for seven weeks, the longest hiatus between pop-up updates on record.

==See Also==
*[[Museum]]
*[[Fan Stuff]]
*[[Secret_Pages_XML_Source#Weeklies_XML_File|Secret Pages XML Source]]

== External Links ==
*Click on the F on any [[HR:{{randommainpage}}.html|main page]] to see the most recent fanstuff.
*[[HR:fanstuff.swf|view the Flash file for the current fanstuff]]
[[Category:Fan Material]][[Category: Regular Updates]]
{{H*RNav}}

User talk:Nerd42

2008-07-08T16:56:24Z

Nerd42: /* Your List */

== Welcome! ==
Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki!''' We're glad to have you as a member. If you need any help, feel free to ask anyone on the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee#Members|welcoming committee]]. You can also post questions on the [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]].

Here are some tips to get you started:
* If you need general information, editing tips, or answers to frequently asked questions, check out the [[Help:Contents|help]] page.
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{{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} and "The Homestar Runner Wiki Welcoming Committee", 04:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

hi there. how come there haven't been any strong bad emails for so long? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 15:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:There hasn't been anything in a long time. See the [[Talk:Main Page#Slow=Update?|massave discussion]] about it. By the way, your sig seems a bit long. We're still working out hard and fast rules, but there's been [[HRWiki_talk:Standards#Sig standards|considerable discussion]] on the matter. Welcome to the wiki, glad to have you aboard. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::aw, it'd be a shame if you couldn't do fancy sigs. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::You can do fnacy sigs, take a look around, [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] have a lot of sigs. Just not as long as you have. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::[[User:Bubsty/guestbook|Here's]] a good showcase of acceptable, original, sigs. The "Pie in bub's face" sig is also too long, ignore that one ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:44, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Here's some examples of your sig, a smaller version, an even smaller version that would be preferable, the standard maximum, and my sig:
::::<span style="border-left: 1px #505050 solid; border-right: 1px #505050 solid; color: #505050; background: #e0e0e0; font-weight: bold; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 90%; line-height: 80%" class="nounderlinelink">   [[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]]    [mailto:nerd42@gmail.com email]  [[User_talk:Nerd42|talk]]  [http://bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/U203906 h²g²]  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 pedia]  [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 uncyc] 
::::<span style="border-left: 1px #505050 solid; border-right: 1px #505050 solid; color: #505050; background: #e0e0e0; font-weight: bold; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 90%; line-height: 80%" class="nounderlinelink">   [[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]]    [mailto:nerd42@gmail.com email]  [[User_talk:Nerd42|talk]]  [http://bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/U203906 h²g²]  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 pedia]  [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 uncyc] 
::::<span style="border-left: 1px #505050 solid; border-right: 1px #505050 solid; color: #505050; background: #e0e0e0; font-weight: bold; font-variant: small-caps; font-size: 90%; line-height: 80%" class="nounderlinelink">   [[User:Nerd42|Nerd42]]    [mailto:nerd42@gmail.com email]  [[User_talk:Nerd42|talk]]  [http://bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/brunel/U203906 h²g²]  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 pedia]  [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Nerd42 uncyc] 
::::[[Image:sigbox.png]]
::::{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}}
:::::It should be noted that we also discourage background colors in sigs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::OK well I'm on a bunch of different wikis, so if my sig's not allowed on here I'm still interested in suggestions including background colors anyway. Adding the <nowiki></nowiki> tag was a good idea. :) --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

== resolving signature issues ==

My [[User:Nerd42/sig|new sig]] comes close but still doesn't measure up ... :(

[[image:sigbox.png]] {{User:Nerd42/sig}} 04:59, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait, I fixed it! But now it's too small to read the little teeny words. :( --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 05:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

=='''B'''efore '''C'''ensorship==
Hey! First of all, as an aside, I think the sig above is great, and adequately legible. But on to what I was going to talk about: I noticed [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Timeline&oldid=235788 an edit] summary on [[Timeline]] in which you described "Common Era" as "anti-religious/politically-correct censorship" that (someone) was "trying to pull off." First of all, the issue ''does'' come up once in H*R, in [[lackey]], and what appears there ''is'' B.C. and A.D. And since the attempt at assigning such dates to 'toons is kinda absurd, I doubt the matter will come up again; if it does, though, I'd actually faver "Common Era." While I'm myself a Christian and a fan both of "[http://www.newattitude.org/wheel/humble_orthodoxy.html passionate orthodoxy]" (see [http://www.savethewheel.com Save The Wheel]) and any opportunities to glorify Christ, I do also believe that a wiki, as a public knowledge base and as a microcosm of a political community, ought to be religiously neutral. While I ''personally'' believe that the cross was in fact the watershed event of the history of the universe, I don't expect members of other religions to share that view; thus my use of the neutral terms would be motivated not by an antagonism to religion but, in fact, by a ''valuing'' of freedom of religion! 
But wait—I forgot; my main point wasn't whether or not to use them, but that the tone of the edit summary was a little confrontational. That ''was'' a real person (in this case [[User:Lapper|Lapper]]) who made that edit, and he does read edit summaries; he may or may not agree with being characterized as anti-religious and a censor, but I [[User talk:Lapper#Jewish holidays|strongly suspect]] he wouldn't. The problem is that the phrasing speaks not only about the issue but about Lapper's intents and identity. Anyway, your comment was hardly flaming, and was only mildly confrontational—but it would still be a good idea to try to avoid hurting other users. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:33, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, please understand that I did not intend that comment to be directed toward any individual person (to be taken personally) in any way. However, I think that '''''the reason B.C. and A.D. are/were replaced by "Common Era" is specifically to single out Christian traditions in Western culture for censorship and eventual elimination.''''' To replace B.C. and A.D. with "common era" dates seems to me to be '''exactly like refusing to use Arabic numerals''' (1234567890) in order to get rid of an implication of Islamic religion. I agree that wikis ought to be religiously neutral. However, that doesn't mean they should change the way that dates have always been written down in order to cater to anti-religious political correct censors who want to rewrite history. If you are offended at the sight of "B.C." and "A.D." then you have serious ideological problems and probably shouldn't be editing a wiki anyway because there is no way you could possibly keep your contributions NPOV.
:So, for the record, if I was directing a comment in an edit summary to an individual person, I would have named that person and linked to their user page in the edit summary.
:This "save the wheel" thing sounds interesting. Which church in particular is this web site referring to?
:Oh, and I'm glad you can read my new Mini-sig even if I can't LOL --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 21:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:: Speaking as a non-Christian, it's not that we have it out for Christianity; it's just that we (or, at least, I) want everyone to be treated equally... and, as it happens, Christianity is currently treated as non-equally as you can get in America. Now, the issue of "BCE and CE" or "BC and AD" is an extremely minor point, and I don't care one way or the other. However, even many Christians realize that the cutoff point has a few errors in it with regards to the predicted birth of Jesus; the date's pretty arbitrary no matter how you look at it, and the number is the same either way.
::And, by the way, since when do Arabic numberals have anything to do with the Islam religion? The only connection I see is they came from the same part of the world. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::''"Christianity is currently treated as non-equally as you can get in America."'' - Are you sure? Consider that the USA has the [http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_christian.html largest Christian population] of any country in the world. I'd say it's about in proportion. Go figure that it has national Christian traditions. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 21:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: I'm sorry I responded, actually, as I can already see where this is going, and I even bet I can guess some false assumptions you've made about my own views. But here goes: the Constitution itself states that no law with no nonreligious purpose can be made in America, and many such laws are made anyway; for instance, atheists are not allowed to hold office due to some state constitutions, even though the national constitution says that these laws are illegal and has done so for over two hundred years. Now, this isn't a matter of law, I realize; just trying to show what I mean. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:35, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Where does the (federal) Constitution say any of those things? Because I've read the First Ammendment, and that stuff is quite simply not in there. I '''''personally''''' do not support government-mandated religion requirements for holding public office (except perhaps for excluding members of some extreme violent cults like Satanism and Al Qeda) but the federal Constitution does not '''say''' the individual States governments cannot make their own laws in that reguard. Indeed, if it had, ''the Constitution would never have passed.'' Most importantly, '''the phrase "seperation of church and state" does not appear in either the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.''' Contemporary interpretations of the Constitution are basically the specialty of the Poopsmith.

The reason I don't support government mandated religious requirements is because they simply don't work. I heard somebody say once, "Which would you rather have in the legislature? A man who doesn't believe in God but is too honest to swear to a lying oath or a man who doesn't believe in God and will swear to anything, the truth or a lie? Neither should be in the legislature. But the only man that religious oaths will keep out is the honest man! The liars would all get in anyway. So long as the liars are admitted, let's let the honest men in too." --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:I really don't want an inflammatory religious/political debate to emerge here, but I think I can afford adding some. First of all, I must plead ignorance of the exact content of the Constitution, so I can't provide Jay's citation for him. But on the topic of the phrase "separation of Church and State" not appearing in the two documents, I might point out that the word "trinity" never appears in the Bible either. In Alito's hearings this week, we've heard the word "doctrine" frequently; in this context it means a principle that, although not stated explicitly anywhere, can be confidently exptrapolated from multiple precedents. The doctrine of a triune God is all over the Bible even if the word never appears, and I would venture to say that the doctrine commonly referred to as "separation of Church and State" was close to the hearts of the writers of both documents, and that the principle at least appears in the Constitution. As for BC vs. BCE, my initial response on first hearing of it was, like yours, offense and a feeling that people were making an issue of a non-issue; in retrospect, though, I don't see it as analogous to the Arabic numerals analogy because Arabic numerals aren't themselves religious icons. Just in a hypothetical exercise, I ''would'' feel quite different if they stood for "Before Mohammed" (aside from the fact that I couldn't say BM with a straight face), and might not see it so much as something not worth changing because it had always been done that way. The issue is not so much that it may be ''offensive'' as that it's simply not equitable. Christ was fully aware of his own offensiveness, and the Cross will always be an offense—and again, my theology ''does'' indeed mark history from that pivotal moment—but unless academia is to add to its many lamentable qualities that of a theocracy, there's no reason to expect people who don't share that belief to mark history "Before Christ." (Ironically, even if they change the language, they ''are'' still dividing history into a "before" and "after" at that point, made further ironic by the fact that it's off by several years anyway, so essentially the timeline is being divided in half at an arbitrary point.)
:The [http://www.savethewheel.com Save the Wheel] site is a sort of publicity drive for the awesome young-adults conference [http://www.newattitude.org New Attitude], which is put on by the group of churches [http://www.sovereigngrace.org Sovereign Grace Ministries]. Although I don't go to one of their churches, they've been very influential in my spiritual development ever since I went to the first New Attitude in '99. Although they have a contemporary worship style and other "charismatic" tendencies, they have a strong commitment to the importance of solid theology in daily life, to a degree that you don't typically see in the "charismatic" movement. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

::''"there's no reason to expect people who don't share that belief to mark history "Before Christ.""'' Sure there is - because it's always been done that way and there is no good reason to change it.
::The idea os "seperation of Church and State" in the context that the founding fathers believed in it was referring to a plan to limit government's ability to control religion, not to limit religion or religious references in public. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 04:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::: Actually, as many of the founding fathers were deists (including Jefferson), it was to do ''both''. As for the Constitution: ''"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."'' (that's part of the First Amendment). Sure, the words "Separation of Church and State" never appears (and I'd like to point out that that is not how I worded my previous response), but the meaning is roughly the same. (For what it's worth, the phrase "Separation of church and state" was actually coined by... yeah, I know I already mentioned this guy once in this paragraph, Jefferson.)
:::And, by the by, while I know there are some ultra-sensitive atheists out there who want to remove all references to religion in public... I'm not one. I don't care what other people worship or how they worship, so long as it doesn't affect other people. While I can sorta see where they're coming from, the BC(E)/CE/AD thing isn't of any particular importance to me as it's not hurting anyone... my response was more about the "singling out Christianity" part of what you said than anything directly related to how the years are named. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:35, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::::And actually, I ''do'' agree with you N42, and disagree with Jay, on one point there: that the "founding fathers" intent ''was'' no doubt to liberate, not restrict, the practice of religion, and that they probably wouldn't have had a terribly big problem with the public expression of it, either. And personally, I ''do'' hope my worship "affects" other people; it would otherwise be either a self-centered exercise, like spiritual aerobics, or a hermetic dialogue between God and myself. The latter has its place, but in my worldview we are ''not'' called to be a bunch of individual connections to God, but a network of lateral connections to each other as well. At the risk of blashpemy, this wiki makes a passable analogy: we all share a personal connection with H*R. But it's expressed, deepened, and lived out through our community with each other. We're unabashed, even, about non-H*R fans observing our fandom, (although they definitely don't "get it" sometimes, and we occasionally look like nerds), and our enthusiasm for H*R overflows the realm of private, isolated entertainment. The analogy breaks down in that, um, Homestar isn't God. (Some of us might need that reminder occasionally!)
::::In response to the ''first'' half of your post: Sorry; I ought to let you have the last word on your own talk page, but I just wanted to point out the point on which we obviously must agree to disagree: "there is no good reason to change it." Clearly we both see the same arguments; the difference is I find them sufficient for change and you find them insufficient. Cool; 'nuff said (over what, I think we all ''do'' agree, is a relatively trivial matter). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:38, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Who said anything about the founding fathers having a problem with expression of religion? Perhaps the two of us were speaking of different things - the idea was very likely to prevent the government from controlling the churches ''and'' the churches from controlling the government (the latter of which didn't really happen, though.) Yes, there are some oversensitive people who think that ''any'' inobtrusive display of religion should be banned; I am not such a person, as I frankly don't care. In fact, I kinda roll my eyes when I hear about the exploits of these people... assuming that their actions are not clearly being exaggerated, misinterpreted, or taken out of context.
:::::And when I said "affecting other people," I meant in the "pestering them until they convert, or acting as though they're forcing them to do so." I realize not all (or even most) Christians do this, but there are still some that do and I've personally met them. Or, if a person takes a "holier-than-thou" patronizing attitude as though they feel or act as though they are "better" than someone else due to what they do or don't believe, or make assumptions based on how others of other religions act, this too qualifies in the "affecting other people" category (though a little less directly). If you do public works (cleaning up parks, charities, whatever) for religious reasons, though I may disagree with why you're doing them, I will have no complaints with the end result. And, man, is that one long-winded block of text or what? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::LOL; yup, and I apologize for hijacking your user page, Nerd42 for an increasingly tangential discussion! My attribution of that opinion to you, Jay, was based on the beginning of your next-to-last comment, "it was to do both." In the context, I had read Nerd42's previous sentence as "limit religion ... ''in public''", whereas in "both" you were obviously referring only to "limit religion," and your reading meant "limit its control over government." That makes a lot more sense.
::::::By the way, about the two attitudes you discussed above: there isn't much defense for the latter, the "holier-than-thou." Jesus had his own problems with such people, and didn't exactly mince words with them, either! (Unfortunately, some of the beliefs I ''do'' agree with can come off that way if the whole picture isn't presented. For instance, I don't think Ned Flanders really believes that he's any "holier" than Homer; or if he does, he's gotten hold of some sub-par theology. But his smarmy, irritatingly unfaultable behavior still might suggest the phrase to his neighbors. Looking "weird" is just part of the package, like the funny looks our H*R enthusiasm gets among the non-H*R goyim. But I ''do'' try to avoid saying "-diddly" and wearing sweaters.) And as for pestering people to convert: frantic, confrontational, and ultimately counterproductive evangelism is, once again, usually a product of bad theology. (This is why I like [http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org SGM], mentioned above, and their emphasis that theology isn't just something boring to study in seminary, but something that directly and dramatically affects the day-to-day life of every Christian.) Without starting off what could become a conversation far longer than this one, it boils down to your views of who saves whom and who's in charge, and involves fun words like free will. Not gettin' into that today. But my point is, while I too am irked and embarrassed by their hard-sell tactics, seeing it from their point of view makes them much more understandable. In the interest of position-taking, suppose that you believed—sincerely and emphatically, though deludedly—that your town were going to be hit by a meteorite tomorrow. If you had an ounce of integrity, you would not simply evacuate yourself, but would attempt to warn as many as possible. If you seriously believed in the impending horror, and that your friends' lives depended on your persuasion and their agreement, you'd be oblivious to name-calling and might dispense with politeness and delicacy in an attempt to save their lives. Keep in mind that these people not only believe very sincerely in the whole everlasting torment thing, but also that keeping people from it ''depends on their convincing them''. So while that doesn't make their behavior any more palatable, it does to some degree explain it. And even though I'd frequently ''like'' to get them to chill, as long as they stay out of the business of legislating, I do think the 1st Ammendment protects even them.
::::::And by now I need to clarify somewhat what I do believe—and I'd really rather not have this wander off from an extraneous civics conversation into an extraneous religion conversation—but I've been sufficiently vague that I run the risk of implying beliefs that I don't want to suggest. I ''do'' in fact share the first half of the proselytizers' formula: I do believe in Hell, in the traditional sense of an afterlife of separation from God, and do most definitely want to see people avoid it. Where I differ with them is that, while I ''do'' have an obligation to "share the gospel", i.e. lay out the information, it's ''not'' my job to "convince" anyone (as if I could "save" anyone ''myself''!). Plus, I personally believe that sharing it with strangers is nowhere near as helpful as cultivating friendships with them, and it's frequently counterproductive. If anyone were to ultimately "lead [Homer] to salvation," it would be Ned, who hangs out with him, before it would ever be Rev. Lovejoy, who preaches at him. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

'''''Fun History Scavenger Hunt''''' can you find the full text of the letter where Jefferson used the term "seperation of church and state" ??? I think I remember reading it once, and as I said, Jefferson was talking about limiting government, not religion. About guaranteeing freedom of religion to everyone as long as their religion isn't trying to kill mine. And about how God '''''is''''' supposed to be present in the halls of Congress. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's possible mind powers ==

Is it just me, or does everybody else realize that every time [[Strong Bad]] imagines something, it becomes real. For example, he imagines [[Trogdor]] and suddenly [[Videlectrix]] comes out with the video games. He sings jams to himself and suddenly he has an album ([[Strong Bad Sings]]) He imagines the future and then suddenly that future becomes real. ([[20X6]]) This suggests to me that Strong Bad's mind might be like, able to affect reality or transport manipulate [[Free Country, USA]] in ways we don't think about. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 21:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Or perhaps every toon is all in his mind. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::I've always held that Hamlet creates the reality around him in that way. (I don't necessarily go as far as to say that the whole play is in his head, but that his thoughts and fears become realities and fates that he's then powerless to retract or avoid.) One of these days I'm gonna write me a comparison of Strong Bad and Hamlet. (Or maybe Homestar and Laertes!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:27, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Somethin like that yeah LOL. Strong Bad also made up [[Limozeen]] ... maybe we should make a list of everything Strong Bad made up that sorta became real. I don't think everything's in SB's mind though, because the other characters have made critical comments about him and he is unable to stop things he doesn't like from happening. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 05:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

==Idea for a fan cartoon==
I'm thinking about trying to make my own Homestar Runner fan cartoon that is a remix of the [[Strong Bad email]] "[[dragon]]." It would be called "dragon" in [[Wikipedia:Leet|leet]] speech though, cause it's a remix. And uh, the idea is that [[Trogdor]] sits down in front of the Trogdor arcade game, and on the screen there is an email that says::

<blockquote class="compy email">Hey Trogdor, 
 
Can you draw a wrestler? I want to see 
your skills of an artist. 
 
well, g2g, 
kaizer 
CA</blockquote>

And uh, Trogdor gets a pencil and draws Strong Bad, and sings a song about Strong Bad. Uh, yeah. And that's about it really, except that at the end, Trogdor goes "in the NIGHT!!!" and burninates the screen. Then the camera backs up and it turns out to be one of the Cheat's cartoons, and Strong Bad says it sucked and DELETED!s it. Well, what do you all think?

([http://img110.exs.cx/img110/729/af-trogdorSPRITES111.png this] might come in handy ...) --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 05:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

:I say [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/ go for it]! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:13, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

::Oh darnit, looks like it's been done before. :( --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 05:55, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, not exactly. So I wrote it up over at [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/dr460n dr460n]] --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== just got started decompiling SWFs! ==

Wow this is so cool now I can use the orig drawings :D --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:12, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

== Your sig ==
It appears your sig goes over the rule that we have set here. I must ask you to change it so that it is smaller.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
:Um, what rule? Looking above at original conversations of this subject, it seems to be at a good sice now. Shorter than th' blue box and all. Maybe it's your computer, H*Bad. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::It seems bigger, well yeah my compy is messed up anyways. Also this [[HRWiki:Signature|rule]].--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
:::It was my understanding that it now complied with the site's rules. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm not so sure about this, actually. "--" seems to always be in front of your sig, and it appears that it's actually part of it, even though it's not part of your sig file.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
yeah i tyep that part --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

== Your List ==

Hey Nerd42,

I stumbled upon your list in the project section. Good start and good idea. I think once it is complete, a form of it could be used for a mainspace page. If we strip everything but the file names, it would be a good page. I understand why you did it the way you did for your purposes, but since you put it as a project, I assume that you want as a mainspace page at some point.

I see it looking something like this
<pre>
Teen Girl Squad
http://homestarrunner.com/tgs1.swf
http://homestarrunner.com/tgs2.swf
http://homestarrunner.com/tgs3.swf
</pre>

...and so on.

One major missed area though; the first thing that I thought of when I saw your idea in the project section were [[Secret Pages|these more hard to find links]].

Let me know what you think. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 02:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey yeah. Please edit my page and fix it however you need it. Just as long as I can use DownThemAll on it to download all the toons. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Podstar Runner

2008-07-08T16:55:36Z

Nerd42:

{{featuredarticle}}
{{talkchecklist|What to do when a new Podcast arrives:}}
*Move the old podcast entry from [[Podstar_Runner#Current_Downloadable_Emails|Current Downloads]] to [[Podstar_Runner#Previously_Downloadable_Emails|Past Downloads]]. (Be sure to comment out the download link.)
*Add the new podcast to [[Podstar_Runner#Current_Downloadable_Emails|Current Downloads]], {{tl|whatsnew}} and [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]].
*Remove the old download link from the previous email/toon page.
*Add a download link (using {{tl|Podstar download}}) to the new email/toon page External Links section.
*Add the page to [[:Category:Podstar Runner]].
*Add the podcast's summary to the email/toon page Trivia section.
*If entry is an email, add link to [[Strong Bad Email#Podstar Runner Releases]].
|} 

== Alt versions for podcast ==
On the DVD version of [[dragon]], the homsar easter egg is automatically enabled. They also did this on the new podcast version of the email. So, is there some place that we can note this on the page for that email? Should we create new an entirely new section for Podcast version on this page and all sbemails??? --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 17:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
: Probably, yeah. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Haha... MINDREADERS! ==

I was thinking about H*R toons on iPods ''THIS MORNING''...!

== RSS Feed ==
Now all they need is an RSS feed so you can put this right in iTunes as a podcast and download it straight to the iPod.. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 18:25, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe a fan can create one. Y'know, like [http://interglacial.com/rss/homestar.html this one]. And no, I didn't mean that I would create one, either.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 19:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I could certainly do it. I would just assume this would be something we'd want the Brothers Chaps to do themselves. In any case, I'll break out Notepad and have something up in a bit. :) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 20:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

-I Created one that you can subscribe to here: [http://feeds.feedburner.com/podstartopod] The tags aren't all that great because I just created a category in Wordpress. But they're there and it works! Check it out - Brad Kovach

== XHTML 1.0 Transitional ==

First time I can remember a DOCTYPE being declared. Can anyone confirm? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:It's a shame it [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/ doesn't validate]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 03:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Podstar links ==

I added a new interwiki-style link to our repertoire. To link to one of the podstar.homestarrunner.com files, simply preface it with "Podstar:" (for example: [[Podstar:sb_email_japanese_cartoon.m4v]]). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Picture? ==

What's with this weird picture we got here? Is this photoshopped or what?--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Nope, the picture is from the .m4v of [[techno]]. [http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/Venusy/technofullscreen.png Here's] a screenshot of the scene in iTunes. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 20:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::Why is the wiki logo different? -You know who!
:::I customized it. See [[User:Venusy/monobook.css|my monobook.css]], about 25 lines down. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::That was cool.--{{User:That is Truly an Apple/Sig}} 21:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Can somebody transcript any custom animation it contains, like this Strong Bad thing? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:33, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Quality ==

Has anybody noticed that the M4V videos have a much higher sound quality than the Flash files? Might seem a bit unfair for the "normal Flashers" at first, but if someone was to import the Flash file (which, if possible, would give us a load of vectors and so a nearly unlimited possibility of resizing) and mix its video track with the audio track of the M4V video, they could actually get megalomanic resolutions and a sound quality that beats the Flash file on the site. Anybody up to the task to make a proof-of-concept, HDTV-compatible Strong Bad Email? As long as it stays a non-redistributed proof-of-concept, it shouldn't be illegal. <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 21:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:Seems like a bit of a waste of time to me, but whatever. Anyway, in regard to your question: from what i've seen, it may not be as, ahem, "simple", as that. Most Flash decompiling programs manage to bugger up tweens etc as well as fonts. Then, on top of this, you usually need to fiddle with the .fla file you get at the end to get it to match up with the original .swf as mask layers etc often separate. Basically, it'd be some hassle.

Actually.. also its higher sound quality on the DVD's too so you could always just buy the dvds... [[User:24.185.119.106|24.185.119.106]] 01:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, you should buy the DVDs, because it supports TBC. By the way, I wouldn't spend any time on it, because it ''would'' end up being illegal since anything worth doing eventually ends up distributed. Even if it were legal, this talk page is not the place to solicit volunteers to work on it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Never wished to argue with that. Anyways, I was actually thinking about buying myself the Overkill Combo, but since it seems minors can't have credit cards over here in Austria, I'll have to put that off for the next few years (or ask somebody with a credit card). <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 06:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::It is illegal. I study copyright law in my free time, and it is illegal. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams, {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Sound? Yeah, that's a good one. I can't get any sound at all. Not to mention, the video quality seriously sucks.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 00:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh man! I am a complete idiot. The sound was off. No matter, I can just use the ones already there.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 00:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Have they explicitly forbidden ''creating derivative works for the sole personal use by one single person'' now? If it isn't redistributed, I don't see where the problem lies. <nowiki>~~</nowiki>[[User:RavuAlHemio|Ravu]] 13:13, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

== Link on Site ==

Is there a link to this page on the actual site besides the recently updated on the homepages? Like in downloads or something? That's where it should be.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 22:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*I noticed that too. I guess the answer is still no. --[[User:71.243.152.233|71.243.152.233]] 03:09, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

== MP4's ==

Hey, do you guys think there is any chance that they would release them on MP4 format so we (i) can watch them on Our (my) PlayStation Portable (PSP) System? either that, or is there some sort of Software or something that i could download so i could convert the M4V Files to MP4's?

-COLA

Since theyve done m4p's they'll probablyn eventually do ones for the PSP. As for converting.. i have no clue lol. [[User:24.185.119.106|24.185.119.106]] 01:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

yes they work on the psp- [[HRFWiki:User:Freezestar|Freezestar]]

No, they dont. i checked it out, i even upgraded my Bloody psp, didnt work, and all my movies that i had on it couldnt be played. great job, Sony.

-COLA

They don't work on the PSP. The videos available from the Podstar Runner page are encoded using H.264, and not MPEG-4. While giving it a better file size and reasonable video quality, it makes it incompatible with the PSP. --[[User:TuqueeLukee|Tuquee]] 06:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Use PSPVideo9 to transcode the .M4v files. -CujoSR

[[Wikipedia:mencoder|mencoder]] sb_email_techno.m4v -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq:vbitrate=896 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3:br=128 -o sb_email_techno.mp4
Let me know how that works for you, I'm not sure exactly what a PSP expects. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Strange. It works on mine. PSP-1001 on the side. I update the PSP all the way and put it in the Video folder ([root folder]:\VIDEO folder). And then i just rename the extension to mp4 and throw it into the VIDEO folder. That's what I do. And they work. --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 03:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

:When that post was written, PSP firmware 2.80 (or 2.81, I forget which) hadn't been released. That was the firmware that added .m4v support (and you don't need to rename them either). --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 09:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== WMP? ==

do these files play on windows media player? (Or are they convertable to VuGo format?)--{{User:Benol/sig}} 01:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:: They are in H.264 video with AAC audio. I think there are codecs you can get for those for WMP. [[User:Person Man|Person Man]] 02:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

No. It doesn't work. I just tried. [[User:Klaymation|Klaymation]]

==Unfocused Floppy==
[[Image:Floppy podcast background.png|thumb|discoveries of the deep?]]
So uh... Anybody figure out what the floppy is labled, the one that the iPod is resting against? All you... Decompilers or just those with good eyesight? And intuition? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think the floppy says: ''Something'' of the ''Something''. It's just too faded.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I searched Moby games for a DOS title with "of the" in it, and of around 250 results, the most likely canditate I could find was "discoveries of the deep". Does that look plausible to anybody? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely looks plausible. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 01:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
::::Ditto that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::I added info for Discoveries of the Deep to the [[Floppy Disk Container]] article. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 19:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's iPod? I think not. ==

That is not Strong Sad's iPod in the background, as stated on the wiki. It appears to be at least a 4G iPod, but its shape (especially the screen) is closer to that of the 5G iPod. Look at it--it has the gray clickwheel characteristic of 4G+ iPods. Strong Sad's is first- or second-generation. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:It doesn't look exactly like Strong Sad's iPod from the picture, but it is blurry, so details might not have been put in. Other times that this happens is when you see a zoomed-out picture of the Compy, and you cannot see the dial. Lets just see what others put in as well and then we will make final decisions. -[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::Whoops. Didn't sign that last message--fixed. Anyway, here's the thing. The blur would make it hard to decide, except for the scroll-wheel. Notice it's gray. Strong Sad's iPod, as seen so far, has had a white scroll-wheel. The blur filter may obscure details, but it's not going to change the colors of anything. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 05:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The width of the screen appears to be wider than Strong Sad's iPod, but quite like a video iPod.

::::The enlarged screen size and trademarked click wheel give it away that this iPod was designed to be a 5G iPod. However, note the headphone jack is plugged into the middle of the top of the iPod. That characteristic is not true with 5G iPods, which have the jack on the far right of the top. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 13:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Well, let's think about this for a minute. Who else in the Brothers Strong house (or anywhere else in FCUSA for that matter) owns an iPod? Mabye Strong Sad upgraded to a newer version or something. I agree, it's not the same one that we've seen before, but no one else has an iPod, so in my opinion, it ''has'' to be Strong Sad's. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I concur. Is this already noted on the item's article, or have we yet to add it? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I thought the same exact thing as Has Matt? but I forgot to mention it. Who else would have an ipod? I think so far its Strong Sads, unless maybe in the future it is revealed that maybe Strong Bad got one or something.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 21:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Strong Bad with an iPod? Strong Bad thinks that flashlights are "the future of technology". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::: Maybe the Cheat bought an iPod... I mean, we already know he likes Apple :P

== Original Name ==

Since they changed the name from Strong Bad video podcasts, I think we should mention it in trivia.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 22:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:So... mention it. :) I'd do it but I haven't kept up with this page closely enough to know for sure what you're talking about. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:22, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==What do I have to do?==
What do I have to do to make Strong Bad pop up? I says wait a second after the email, what email it doesn't play any email. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:Please be more specific. After every Strong Bad Email featured, a short clip of Strong Bad should appear. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, so you have to download the emails to watch the clips and stuff, well in that case nevermind. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

== PSP...rar ==

I could help with the PSP and iPod video conversion

:I don't believe that creating PSP files for distribution would fall under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] laws. Thanks for offering, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:44, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::While distribution of alternate versions would be illegal, converting it yourself to another format and playing it on your PSP would be considered fair use. Since the videos don't have DRM, they are not covered by the DMCA and the fair use exception can apply.
:::Creating a instructions to convert or a program that will do the converting would be fine (assuming you don't charge for it or anything). --[[User:SirNuke|SirNuke]] 01:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

::::This may be true, but ''I'' don't believe it falls under fair use. Just me. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 19:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== Requires Quicktime? ==

Below external links it says that either iTunes or Quicktime is required to play these, but I must disagree. All that's needed is a player that can support the MOV file format, H264 decoding, and AAC decoding. The videos all play back perfectly on my computer without any sort of Apple "adware" installed. And it says that Quicktime version 6.0 is required, but I don't think that 6.0 can play H264 video. --[[User:Taku42|Taku42]] 21:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:It can play H263, however. As for other programs, Quicktime and iTunes are the only two official programs that fully support and write .mov format. If you know of another that's as good as either of these, however, please say so. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::[[Wikipedia:MPlayer|MPlayer]] (the almighty) has no problems. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::The VideoLan Client ([http://www.videolan.org/vlc/]) works really well. Which is a bit odd since VLC often has trouble with newer Quicktime files.--[[User:SirNuke|SirNuke]] 01:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

They may mean Quicktime 7, which I believe is the minimum requirement for iTMS videos.

Anonymous.

Also, video is only supported in iTunes 6.0 and up, podcasts from version 4.9. So regarding either capability, the iTunes version in the article is incorrect. [[User:68.239.131.197|68.239.131.197]] 01:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

== Brothers Chaps helped! wooh ==

I got a email, from them after i emailed them.

<blockquote>Quicktime Pro can convert a .m4v file to an .mp4 file or any other format for that matter. 
Just open the file up in Quicktime and choose Export to put it in whatever format you need, 
this way you shouldn't have a problem getting it onto you PSP. 
 
 
Brothers Chaps</blockquote>

On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:08 AM, Beep wrote:

<blockquote>Hello, i noticed that you just put up Podstar Runner, for the iPod, well, 
is it possible that you could do a different version, for the PSP? PSP uses the .mp4 files. 
 
Thank You.</blockquote>

So...Wooh! --[[User:Jetamoo|Coach J]] 18:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

The psp needs a thumbnail file too so just converting it to mp4 won't work (I've tried). [http://www.pspvideo9.com/ PSP video 9]is the easiest way, it creates a thumbnail file automatically. Get a big memory stick too, videos eat up space fast.

== RSS feed oddities ==
I removed them from the article, because the odd things in the RSS feed (copyright tag, link tag) are because TBC copied the RSS example from [http://www.podcastx.com/articles/26/1/How-To-Publish-a-Podcast-on-the-iTunes-Music-Store Apple's website]. I have emailed TBC about the tags, too. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 00:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

==¿Qué está el problema?==

I downloaded the latest versions of quicktime and iTunes and these files won't run on my computer no matter what I try! The podcast won't even download, it keeps showing the same error! Is it because my comp uses windows? Does my computer hate me?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 05:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

:Can't help you with the podcast. That's really too bad. :( But I can help you in other ways. Que and esta need é and á, and it's ''el'' problema. Tricky Spanish, eh? But sorry about the errors, and sorry that I'm no expert in iPods. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

::I don't even have an iPod, I just want to watch them on my comp so I can hear this so called "better sound quality".--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

== Today's top podcast! ==

Strong Bad Email is currently "Today's Top Podcast" in the iTunes Music store! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
:Get a screenshot while it lasts. =) It might come in useful. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Here's the screenshots:
<gallery>
Image:Podstar Top Podcast.png|<center>Top Podcast</center>
Image:Podstar New & Notable.png|<center>New & Notable</center>
</gallery>
::I'm not sure if these should go on the page or not, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 06:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==Descriptions==

I'm not sure if this can go anywhere on the page, but I figured I'd list the descriptions within iTunes for the episodes.

techno -- Some bozo asks about techno music. 
japanese cartoon -- Strong Bad makes up his own japanese cartoon. 
dragon -- Strong Bad starts a bad drawing revolution. 
kids book -- Strong Bad seriously defaces a children's book. 
crying -- Strong Bad seriously defaces a children's book. (whoops on their part, apparently) 
bottom 10 -- From the home office in Scotsdale, AZ... 
caffeine -- Strong Sad gets caffeinated. 
virus -- A virus wreaks havoc on the Compy. 

I wasn't exactly sure where to put this, but I figured it should at least be listed somewhere around here, so here it is. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 07:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
:lol, reading the edit history for the main page, I suppose I should have left my editorialized comments out of it, or put it separate or in italics or something. Sorry! (I didn't realize they fixed it, though; I guess I'll have to redownload it.) [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 19:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

==Mirrors?==
Should we upload the previous emails on the mirror, seeing as they are not currently available from the official site? -FatPamPam

Probably not a good idea. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 18:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== Guitar was a little earlier... ==
Y'know, Guitar actually was downloadable on the night of February 26th, not the 27th as it says here... maybe we should mention that... --[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 21:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

:Well technically, the first five weren't released one after the other on seperate days, as it reads in the podcast, either. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

== Bandwith Issue ==

Since now on the website only the most recent is available, are the other emails unavailable through iTunes as well? I wouldn't know because I was already subscribed and had them on my computer before the problem occured.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 03:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, yes, they are unavailable. All that appears in the list is "guitar". {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Was "bottom 10" ever even on iTunes? I tried to get it, but the podcast wasn't downloading it... --[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 23:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, it was. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

== virus ==

I see that the menu below virus is not in this version. How do they handle that scene where Homestar is picking up the words? Can we get a shot of that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:The issue with the widescreen ratio and therefore pan and scan style of virus (.mp4) is already mentioned. The navbar is indeed cut off when Homestar picks up the words, if that's what you mean. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::Right. I'm curious what that looks like. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:14, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I won't be able to get a screenshot up until I get home, as virus is currently undownloadable. However, it looks as though Homestar's head is pulling words up from nowhere. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

::::He is. Homestar pulls the words from nowhere.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2383/podcastviruspic1cu.png
--[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 23:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cost? ==

Does it cost anything to download? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]]
:Nope! It's free to download! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

== Relative linking ==

I'm still getting an error when clicking on the navbar links below the Podstar index. Is anyone else? Could they have fixed it and then broken it again when they updated? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:They seem to be working fine for me... Maybe something's up on your end...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Do they ''all'' work all the time? One of them worked at first and then stopped. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:::All of them work all of the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::The first time I load the page, it works for the first link I try. Then it reverts to the relative linking behavior. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::It works all the time for me (Flash 7/Fx 1.5/Linux) but looking at the source code it seems it hasn't been "fixed" by TBC at all - it's still relative linking, and there's nothing telling it to go to www.etc instead of podstar.etc. However the main_nav.swf is being loaded from www.etc. So I'm guessing some browsers/versions of Flash/whatever is taking the relative link relative to the page (which won't work) and others take it relative to the .swf (which will work). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== File Sizes ==

The file sizes quoted on the podstar page are sort of innaccurate... In computing, the prefix "kilo", for example, can mean two things - the standard 103= 1000 or the more computer-friendly 210 = 1024 (computers, working in binary, are good for working with powers of 2). Megabytes can, by extension, be 1,000,000 (1000²) bytes or 1,048,576 (1024²) bytes. Usually the binary megabytes are used for things like RAM capacity, since that will always be a power of 2, and file sizes. Decimal megabytes are often used for hard disk capacities (to make them sound bigger, since the number on the box is bigger). (Because of the confusion, SI proposed the prefix [[Wikipedia:Mebi|Mebi]], but it never really caught on.) However the filesizes quoted on the podstar page are such that 1MB = 1,024,000 bytes (1000×1024), which isn't correct either way. Most likely the computer gave the size in kB by dividing by 1024, and TBC then divided by 1000 to get MB. The only thing I know of which uses 1,024,000 megabytes is the 1.44MB floppy disk, which is 1.44×1024×1000 bytes. 
The questions are: (1) Can the above be summarised into something suitable for a fun fact? Not so long as to ramble, as the above does, but not so short as to leave out any important information. (2) In the table at the bottom of the article, should we quote (a) the filesize from the podstar page, (b) The actual size in decimal megabytes, (c) The actual size in binary megabytes or (d) separate columns for both (a) and one of (b) or (c). At the moment it is (c), which gets my vote. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
:There is already the goof:

:Many of the listed file sizes are inaccurate. The table below shows the correct file sizes.

:and the listing below. What do you want beyond that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, I didn't see that. Still, some explination of ''why'' they're inaccurate could be good, since that goof reads like "man, TBC are so dumb they couldn't even get the filesizes right" as opposed to "filesizes are more complicated than they look, and TBC got it wrong". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Teen Girl Squadcast ==

It was released but the wiki hasn't recorded it. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh wait, I just did that "purge" thing for the main page, and it says it, nevermind. Now all someone has to do here is add info on the article. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I's all done? Super! - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

== Time on iPod ==

Does 8:04 PM have any significance? Just wondering.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 16:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
:I doubt it. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

== Just something I noticed...==
The description for [[different town]] in the XML feed is "How would Strong Bad make the town different?". For as long as I can remember (much earlier than March 13, 2006, anyways), the summary on the Wiki has been "How would Strong Bad make the town different?". It may just be a coincidence, but I doubt it. We know TBC have used the Wiki in the past. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:In any case, it looks like that's different from the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=next&oldid=869 original description]: ''Steven WV writes in and askes Strong Bad what he would change in his town to make it better, and he sings a weirded-out song, in which he describes how he would change the characters. You'll have to see it to find out!''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

::The description was set to that on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=82968&oldid=82303 15 May 2005], the "Weeeehhhhhllllll" finally being removed [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=different_town&diff=285214&oldid=285212 today]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

== Background's gone. ==

On the Podstar Runner page, the background is black now. Why?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 22:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

:The background isn't black. The server is running a bit slowly, and you'll need to wait for the background to load. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

== How do you access this on the homestar runner webstie? ==

Where is it?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 08:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

:[http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/index.html http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/index.html]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

::It's linked from the New button on the main pages... I don't think it's linked to anywhere else on the site though. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

How do you acces it through the Homestar runner website?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 04:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
:He just said. That rotating button on the main pages that flashes through the updates. The last of its options usually is Podstar Runner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 04:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

== Podstar Summaries ==

Hey, should we place the Podstar Runner summaries on the pages of the emails/TGS...s? Example:

(from [[dragon)

<blockquote>[[Image:sbemail58picture2a.PNG|thumb|"Check out all his majesty."]]

Kaizer wants to know if Strong Bad can draw a dragon.

'''[[Podstar Runner]] Summary:''' Strong Bad starts a bad drawing revolution.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Trogdor]], [[Coach Z]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]] (Easter egg), [[Strong Sad]]'''

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]</blockquote>

I know it sounds stupid, but, I think it's information that needs to be noted. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

:It ''is'' already noted. Check the Fun Facts. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:47, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

::Well, should it be noted up there if people are missing it? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== You know what? ==

Maybe the Bros. Chaps should start uploading these to [http://video.google.com Google Video Beta].

{{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} 05:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

:I doubt they would want to, considering the [http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=31704 terms of use]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

::OK. Well, I've noticed a bug. If you [http://www.live.com/?add=http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/podcast.xml add the podcast to Windows Live], and try to read the description, the .m4v file starts playing automatically where the description should be (if you have QuickTime 6.0 or later). Nevermind the Bullocks (no, I'm not from England), {{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} of the Corn Army, 08:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

== Not a valid Podcast URL? ==

Anyone else having problems with the podcast? Using iTunes 6.0.5 (on OS 10.4.7), when I try to update it says:

<blockquote>
'''"Strong Bad Emails & More!" does not seem to be a valid Podcast URL.''' 
 
Please check that you have entered the correct URL and try again.
</blockquote>

I have checked, and the URL is correct.

[[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 20:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

:Try clicking this link, which will bring it up in the iTunes Music Store: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=122139371.

:If you'd rather enter it manually, the correct URL is: http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/podcast.xml. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 02:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== This specific piece of trivia: Are you sure? ==

''When the email ends and returns to the animated iPod menu, "Homestarrunner.com" is highlighted. However, the animated menu at the beginning of the email has "Email" selected. The iPod's memory should keep the selection where it was when you left it, not move back to the top.''

I only have a 4G iPod, so it may not apply to this, but every time it finishes up a playlist or album, it goes back to the main menu and the top word (Music) is highlighted.
But you guys can go ahead and prove me wrong by doing it on your fancy-pants video iPods. I don't mind, really. --[[User:Mashi|Mashi]] 18:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

My iPod Video goes back to Music on the main menu when it's done playing, as well. But it remembers its position in other menus. --[[User:71.197.114.207|71.197.114.207]] 17:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

==Missing videos==

Now that I actually have an iPod, I'm kind of miffed that bottom 10, crying and caffeine were removed from the podcast itself on iTunes. They can still be downloaded off the server from direct linking, yes, but it won't go on my iPod in the podcast section with the rest, and I'm a stickler for organization. Any idea WHY they were removed to begin with? [[User:Evan|Evan]] 05:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

==Zip File==

Does anybody have a zip file containing everything on Podstar Runner? It would be kinda helpful. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 15:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== NEWS UPDATE!!!!: Podstar Runner on PSP ==

If you download the latest firmware update, v 2.80, you can subscribe to the podstar runner podcast via RSS and save podstar toons directly to your psp in the /VIDEO folder! More news at 11:00.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

== Caper? ==

The link to caper doesn't work anymore. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

*I guess the hiatus since the previous update was so long, the other videos are now hard to download.

== Exclusive Content? ==

I've just bought an iPod and I'm wondering if any of the Podstar Runner content is exclusive. I watch stuff on the site often and want to know if I've been missing anything.[[User:67.191.243.115|67.191.243.115]]

:I think most of the differences are noted in [[Podstar Runner#Fun Facts]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== podcast working? ==

I've been trying from multiple locations to download the podcasts.
I have a DS3 at work and I get nothing.
Something broke?
:It works fine for me. Sometimes the server gets overloaded though... they're big files, after all... especially whenever a new one comes out. If that happens just wait and try again. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== Creative Zen ==

Is there any way to make these compatible with a Creative Zen Vision player?

What video format does it use?
[[User:Anakin4me|The Ugly One]] 21:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== Video iPod? ==

I know this is a stupid question, but is these emails for only video ipod or all ipods?--[[User:68.218.252.203|68.218.252.203]] 03:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I was the one that said that above. I just wasn't logged in.--[[User:Ava|Ava]] 03:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
:If the iPod plays videos, it will work. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 03:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I think what he means is, if you download a email to a non-video ipod, will you still be able to hear the email, even though you can't see it?-[[User:LordQuackingstick|LordQuackingstick]] 03:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll take this, since no one seems to know the answer. Yes, you can still view a video-podcast on a 4G iPod (that supports podcasts) by viewing the podcast from the Music menu instead of the Video → Video Podcasts menu. It plays the video-podcast as a regular podcast; with only audio. I'm about 90% sure of this, since it can be done this way on a 5G iPod. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 06:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't suppose the second generation iPod nano does podstar?

:My understanding is that the iPod Nano doesn't play any video files. so it wouldn't be able to play podstar runner videos. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

== "crying" ==

My sister wants to watch it. But it's been removed. From both sides. (This article and the Podstar page on the H*R site). What I mean is, the link's broken. --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 23:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
:No it isnt... I just went on it.--[[User:X66x66|X66x66]] 23:41, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::Only 18 SBEmails are kept on the Podstar Runner site at a time. You can still watch it [[HR:sbemail109.html|on the official site]], or you could download the Podstar version from YouTube using a service such as [http://videodownloader.net videodownloader.net]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 23:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
::: *attempting Strong Bad speech* Or maybe [http://www.saveyoutube.com Save Youtube.com]! --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Binary Technology description added? ==

When decoded, the description of technology is "Ç,:«�" (Not including quotations) Should that be added to trivia or something? {{User:Steve/sig}} 23:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
:Well, the binary string is 37 bits (in a row), so it's not going to decode correctly in 7-bit or 8-bit ASCII, or any of the Unicode formats, 'cause it's not a whole number of characters. It might be worth noting that the number in binary is 106930066790 in decimal, like on [[technology#Trivia|technology]], but I think it's just too trivial. If you're curious, you can check out [[Talk:technology#Has anyone tried...|the conversation that came up over this last time]], but there's not much there. Just remember, it's important to note the difference between [[Wikipedia:Binary number|binary]], which is just a way of representing numbers, and [[Wikipedia:ASCII|ASCII]], which is one of many ways of making those numbers represent letters and symbols. It's reasonable to assume that the string of 1s and 0s is binary, but it's not ASCII. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Much mirroring to be done, please ==

Ok, the following links seem to have been removed and can no longer be downloaded:
*[[crying]]
*[[bottom 10]]
*[[caffeine]]
*[[different town]]
*[[personal favorites]]
*[[death metal]]
*[[crazy cartoon]]
*[[trevor the vampire]]
*[[stunt double]]
*[[best thing]]
I'd mirror them if I could, but I never downloaded them while they were up. Could someone who has please mirror them? {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 04:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

:{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Title !! Download
|-
| [[crying]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_crying.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[bottom 10]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_bottom10.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[caffeine]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_caffeine.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[different town]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_different_town.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[personal favorites]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_personal_favorites.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[death metal]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_death_metal.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[crazy cartoon]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_crazy_cartoon.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[trevor the vampire]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_trevor.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[stunt double]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_stuntdouble.m4v|download]]
|-
| [[best thing]] || [[Podstar:sb_email_best_thing.m4v|download]]
|}
:It's weird that ten out of fifty-three don't work. And it's not like they are the first ten released or anything. How long have you noticed this? I wonder if it's a short term thing. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

::I knew [[personal favorites]] was down since early February, since someone posted it on the talk page, but I just realized last night that all these were down. I do know that a few, like [[trevor the vampire]], [[stunt double]], [[caffeine]], and a few others were up at Christmas, seeing as my friend put them on his iPod around that time. Anyway, ''could'' anyone mirror them soon? I'm getting an iPod this weekend, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants these emails on the go :P {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 21:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Seriously, not to be a nag, but does anyone have these files? The wiki is kinda incomplete without them. I'd do it myself if i could. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

==Glitches==
Ok, I noticed a few glitches when watching some toons. for one, when watching [[theme park]], the video freezes when before the cut to Pom Pom and Bubs, but the audio keeps going. You can keep going by fast forwarding a few seconds, but it still always freezes at the same place. Also, with TGS's 6-12, they all start off somewhere in the middle of the cartoon (the same place every time), but pressing the left button brings the toon back to the beginning. However, pressing the center button and scrolling to a certain time will always snap you back to a specific point in the toon. For example, fast forwarding anywhere in TGS7 always snaps to the "dipped it in salt" line. Also, holding the right button just blacks out the toon and brings you back to the menu. I know that it's not just my iPod that does these things, seeing as my friend's does the exact same things, but does anyone else have these problems, too? {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}}

==These peoples try to fade me==
The reason I'm guessing that this was released was because the version on the CD (which I have) was not compatible with a 5G iPod (which I also have). I put the CD version on iTunes before, but it just said the video "...cannot be played on this iPod". The m4v version worked. {{User:Mee/sig}}

==iPod Question==
I have the the first gen iPod, that (as far as I know), doesn't play video. Will it play Podcasts? [[User:Kaine|Kaine]] 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
:No, the podcasts are only videos.--{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 01:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
::Pardon my french, but '''****!''' [[User:Kaine|Kaine]] 01:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

== Dead ==

..it's gone.-[[User:71.170.23.253|71.170.23.253]]
:What's gone? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 16:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::[http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/ http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/] —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh noes! :( --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 16:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::So, could someone start making a mirror of the podcasts? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 16:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::At least people can't download them and post them on YouTube now. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Use archive.org for the mirror making {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 20:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Cool. I'd never heard of that website before. But only sysops can make mirrors. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 20:47, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Man I just got a new iPod...Is there anyway I can get all of the Podcasts onto my iPod?
:::::::...So... How about that mirror-making? :D I just got a new iPod nano and I'm itching to get some Homestar on it. >_> [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 14:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mirror of Podcasts ==

Can mirrors of the podcast be put up so the ones that were available before it was shutdown be available for download? If so let me know. I think it is a good idea. I really want the email [[virus]].--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 19:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
:One problem I fear will come from making mirrors (No, I do not have the rights or the podcasts): If the service was shut down because too many people posted their podcasts online (I hope you get the irony) then putting them up for download on our website wouldn't do TBC any good. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
::Guess we don't need to worry anymore... Rejoice! :D [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 19:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== Moto Q and Flash Question ==

Could any of the podcasts be viewed on a Motorola Q with Windows Media Player? Is there also an early flash file for the page still having the podcasts on?

== Why? ==

I just got a new iPod, and was really disappointed when I realized that you couldn't download the podcasts anymore. Does anyone know why the podcasts were taken off the site? --[[User:Biscuithead1293|Biscuithead1293]] 21:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:My theories:
:# TBC got sick of people downloading podcasts of their internet cartoons and posting them on the internet (I'd be happy to explain the irony if it isn't obvious already)
:# The iPod Touch has an internet brower so they thought people could already use that to watch h*r on an iPod. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, but I just got an iPod Touch, and you can't view flash files on it. --[[User:Biscuithead1293|Biscuithead1293]] 22:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

:: the Real theory: BANDWIDTH. 10 MB apiece+ most popular thing on itunes = instant death of website. [[User:Sneakernets|Sneakernets]] 05:01, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== other MP3 Players ==

do you think it'll work on another type of mp3 player? i have a media converter that came with mine. does anyone have anything other than ipod that has gotten it to work? Jan 8, 2007
[[user:Homsarstrongbad150]]

:Yeah, probably. What kind of file does your mp3 player accept? Or at least what kind of files does your converter accept? I have all of the original podcast episodes in .avi format if you need any.[[User:Metroidpal45|Metroidpal45]]

I have no idea how to check for that. i'll check the user guide. but how do i get them onto my computer is the problem. if i have the files on my computer, i can drag them on the media converter and it'll tell me if it'll work or not. oh, and i'd like crazy cartoon, stunt double, bottom 10, and virus if it's not too much trouble. Homsarstrongbad150[[User:Homsarstrongbad150|Homsarstrongbad150]]

i found out how to get it onto my computer, and my converter doesn't support m4v or whatever of those files are, but my brother has an official ipod with more than enough memory he needs, so i'll work it out with him eventually. until then, i'm putting all of them onto my desktop. [[User:Homsarstrongbad150|Homsarstrongbad150]]

== No Flash? ==

http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/

Is not a flash page, despite homestarrunner.com being in all flash. --[[User:70.226.160.89|70.226.160.89]] 17:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Not Working. ==

the link for "looking old" isn't working. anyone know why?
[[User:Anakin4me|The Ugly One]] 21:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's a mistake. The real link can be found [[podstar:podcast.xml|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== One at a time, please. ==

It looks like Podstar Runner is going to be treated similarly to [[Quote of the Week]], [[Weekly Fanstuff]] and the [[Sketchbook]]. It's my opinion that we should match the page style of [[Quote of the Week]], which would include listing the toons in reverse order. IMO, we also ought to include the screenshot they use in the table(s). {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:The screenshot might be pushing it, but I agree with the rest. That was my interpretation of "one at a time please" too. A good way to solve whatever issues the previous version had. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
::Will we be mirroring these (large) files like we do with the small QotW files? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd venture to guess that we wont. Like you said these are large files that would eat up incredible amounts of bandwidth. If we can find a very rich financier then we could probably do something. ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 10:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Name of podcast on iTunes? ==

What is the current name of the podcast on iTunes? I've searched for Homestar Runner, Homestarrunner.com, Strong Bad, The Brothers Chaps, and every other name I could think of, so where is it?? {{unsigned|Homsarian79|02:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)}}
:I don't think it's on iTunes, because it takes up too much bandwith. You'll just have to download the podcasts manually from the XML feed they have. [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 03:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

== Old Podstar Menu pic ==

Is there a place for the old Podstar Runner menu on this page for posterity's sake?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== m4v Missing? ==

Looking Old's m4v is missing.
:So it is... odd.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:39, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::It is there, just under a different filename. [[podstar:sbemail164.m4v]]. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 23:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== folder ==

What folder on the iPod do I put the m4v? -{{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}} 20:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:You put it in iTunes and sync your iPod to iTunes.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 23:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Could you be more specific? Where in the iTunes folder? -{{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}}
:::Just open the m4v, iTunes should automatically open, and then it's automatically in your iTunes. {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 05:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Note ==

On Windows 98, even with Quicktime 6.5.2 installed, it seems the audio works but the video does not. Any input? (aside from "upgrade your OS", whic is not an option at present) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps Quicktime uses DirectX for which Win98 would have an older version? (is QT 6.5.2 the overall latest version or just the latest version available for W98). Another option is to use a 3rd party video player such as [http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ VideoLAN]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mirror? ==

I have found most of the old toons on Podstar, on the Wayback Machine. Should they be put on this page? {{User:The Goblin/sig}} 04:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but they already {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Podstar_Runner&diff=534511&oldid=534389 are}}. If you meant add individual links... that's another story. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 08:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Artwork? ==

When I downloaded the old podcasts a while ago, they came with artwork, but the recent ones that I've downloaded don't have artwork, and the thumbnail for the video in iTunes is a picture that iTunes takes a little ways into the video (Strong Bad at his computer). Are other people experiencing this? I should note that I download the episodes from podstar.homestarrunner.com rather than through iTunes.

== Podcast Previews ==

Are they taking pictures from the Wiki or is it just a coincidence that they matched the pictures in the Wiki's articles? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:this is probably forum talk, no? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:00, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Nobody followed the checklist ==

Is there a place where we can move it so more people can see it? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::Be paitent. This is just a week-old way of doing it. Give people time to catch on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Would it be a good idea to add a link in that Weeklie checklist in [[Talk:Quote of the Week]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

==Has anyone noticed...==
*That TBC use *our* Wiki screenshots for their thumbnails for the Podcast. That is so l33t. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
**Wow, you're right! That's awesome. {{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 14:26, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
***Should we mention this under the Remarks section? They've really done it six weeks in a row.--[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 23:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

== Is it just me or... ==
4-5 of the podcasts SO FAR have had the lines "DNA Evidence" will TBC be adding the DNA toon to the podcasts menu? --[[User:Chrisyroid|Chrisyroid]] 21:52, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:I guess we'll have to see. They seem to be going in order of release since [[looking old]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Or, to be more specific, they are going in order of release since the first email to come out in 2007. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Even more specifically, they seem to be choosing emails that go in order of release since looking old. I don't think this toon will appear for a while. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== How do you download the old emails? ==
I checked the page, but only "from work" is available; I can't find any of the other emails on the list. Huh?
:Yep, with this incarnation of the podcast, only the latest email is available at any one time. I guess they're trying to limit how much bandwidth the whole operation takes... since that's most likely what brought it down last time. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Split? ==
Thinking aloud... would it be a good idea to split this page into [[Podstar Runner]] and [[Podstar Runner 2006]] (or some equally imaginative title)? The page is a bit crowded and confusing at the moment, with transcripts, and blocks of text, and fun facts, all with little qualifiers about whether they're talking about the new podcast or the old one (and even now, some facts talk about the old podcast in the present tense)... it would be a lot simpler to treat them as separate services, and have them on separate pages... maybe with one of those "preceeded by/succeeded by" bars like on the [[Intro]]s. After all, they're rather different... the only real thing they have in common is that they're both podcasts... 99% of the stuff we have in Fun Facts is different between the two. Thoughts? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:49, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
: I agree with Phlip. Two separate pages would make sense given the sustantial amount of information and lists presently combined on this one article. We've done the same to [[New Paper]] and [[The Paper]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 20:45, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::That might be a good idea. Unlike say [[Punkin Stencils]], where one page can neatly contain all the info, Podstar Runner has a lot of associated information (Fun Facts, transcripts, etc.) that are different depending on the version. By splitting, that might also eliminate some of the problems with the intro, which seems bit too wordy (I know, a rare problem for this wiki, but still...) It would probably also fix the listing of previously available podcasts, which is only going to get worse as time goes on. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 21:02, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::[[Podstar Runner 2006]] would probably look [[User:Wbwolf/MainMock|something like this]]. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 21:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I see no problem with splitting the article. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== Broken Wayback Files ==

When I tried to download bottom 10 and caper from the Wayback Machine, the site said the files could not be found. Can this problem be fixed? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:36, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:We don't have any control over the Wayback Machine, it's run by [http://www.archive.org/about/about.php other people]... so no, we can't fix it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::Would those people be able to fix it? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== 2008 Screencap ==

[[Image:PodstarFacePrint.png|thumb|The current picture]]
[[Image:Strong Bad Face Print.PNG|thumb|The one I uploaded]]
I think we should start a wider discussion on which of these ending screencaps would be more appropiate. I personally think it's preposterous to include Strong Bad in the old ending but not the current one, and if someone (like I did) accidentally glanced at the picture before reading the description they would not know what the heck is going on. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:12, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno, I think the one you uploaded makes it harder to interpret what's going on, because the faceprint is more difficult to see in that one. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 18:57, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

{{clear}}
== Picture ==

What's this pic: <nowiki>http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/hrpodcast_pic.jpg</nowiki> {{User:The thing/sig}} 01:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:As seen [[Podstar Runner 2006|here]], the picture advertised Homestar at the iTunes Music Store. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Help with RSS ==
Please help me! I have no idea how to get the RSS on my ipod! I need serious help. [[User: MichaelXX2|MichaelXX2]]
==Hiatus==

As of 6/12, it looks like there aren't going to be any new episodes for a while

== Help? ==

I download "yes wrestling" last week and now that diorama is out, the latter is the only one that shows up on my iPod while the former is no long there. Is that supposed to happen?

== How to watch on PSP ==
Just put the swf files on your memory stick and navigate to them in the PSP's browser with address "file:/path-to-the-files-on-your-ms/homsar.swf" You can use FireFox to make an index page once you've copied them over - just do a quick search and replace routine to make the URLs relative. Most of the toons will play because they're fairly small but some of the bigger ones wont. You might have to re-encode those.

Does anybody have a homestar runner theme or gameboot for the PSP? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Nerd42

2008-01-22T17:21:30Z

Nerd42:

pizza joint

2007-10-26T20:27:18Z

Nerd42: /* Real-World References */

{{sbenav|179}}
[[Image:SBemail179.PNG|thumb|200px|"Um, The Pizz? Thanks for calling?"]]

To attract girls, Strong Bad "opens" a pizza joint, which accidentally becomes a success.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Daphne|Daphne]], {{film|Cheerleader}}, {{film|So and So}}, {{film|What's Her Face}}, {{film|The Ugly One}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]], [[The King of Town's Castle]], [[The Pizz]], the [[Review Revue]], [[The King of Town's Grill]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, September 24, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 4:09

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Let a lil' email into your heart, and it'll clog your arteries!
<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: sbemails!!</div>
Hey there Strong Bad, 
As a typical college girl I was wondering if there is a 
pizza joint somewhere in Strongbadia...you know, if me and 
my girls wanted to come hang out sometime. 
Hopeful in Pennsylvania, 
Daphne
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad gets more and more excited as he reads the last two lines}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' BLARG! ''{typing}'' Yes! We have a pizza joint! ''{Cut to the computer room; Strong Bad flails his arms wildly}'' I gots me a pizza joint! ''{Strong Bad falls off his chair and then flops off the screen}'' Always been at the pizza joint! Come to the pizza joint with me!

''{Screen-wipe to Strong Badia. Strong Bad is standing behind a cardboard box, on which The Cheat is busy writing "Strong Bad's Strong Badian PIZZ". They are surrounded by "Neighborhood Style" pizza boxes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hurry up with that sign, The Cheat!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{annoyed The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{walks to the front}'' No, no, no, that's already way too long. We need something short and catchy that Daphne and her girls can say real quick. ''{cut to close-up of Strong Bad}'' You know, like, "The Max", or "The Emporium". It's never gonna work if they have to be like:

''{Cut to a Teen Girl Squad scene with the slower version of the TGS music. Cheerleader and So and So are wearing towels. What's Her Face is wearing her regular clothes. The Ugly One is dressed like a mummy in a sarcophagus. Daphne is there too, wearing a towel with "Daph" written on it.}''

'''DAPHNE:''' ''{slowly}'' Hey gals! Let's towel off and meet up at... ''{words appear on screen as they are said}'' Strong Bad's Strong Badian pi-

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{interrupting}'' This is taking too long!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' I'm already bored!

'''SO AND SO:''' I'm going home!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' I belong in a museum!

''{Cut back to Strong Bad and The Cheat}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' College girls don't have that kind of time, man. We gotta strike while the girl is still hot!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{exasperated The Cheat noises; he scribbles out "Strong Bad's Strong Badian" and writes "The" below it. The sign now reads "The Pizz"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah! The Pizz! I love it!

''{A silhouette of Homestar Runner's head enters the bottom-left corner. Cut to Homestar Runner}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Umm, yeah. Lemme get a slice of p-roni, with some t-sauce, and ''{squinting}'' m-rooms.

''{Cut to a wide shot of Strong Badia}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, get outta here! We're not a real pizza place! This is just a front to meet some girls!

''{Cut to Homestar Runner}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ohhhhh. Lemme get a calzone, then. With, uh, p-loaf and m-cheese.

''{Cut back to Strong Badia. The phone rings}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What the- Hang on a sec. ''{picks up a phone}'' Uhh... The Pizz? Thanks for calling?

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Yeah, lemme get about 50 ''{Homestar leaves to the left}'' Thanksgiving Lover's pizzas delivered to the only castle around here!

''{Cut to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' King of Town? How did you even know about this place?

''{The screen splits to show the King of Town on the other end}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Well, if you ''must'' know, I spend most of my day calling random numbers in hopes of finding a new restaurant!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, we're not a real place. ''{footsteps offscreen}'' We're just a—

''{Cut back to Strong Badia. Homestar is standing next to Strong Bad, wearing a The Pizz shirt and hat. The Cheat, also wearing a hat, leaves to the right}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{camera zooms in at a crooked angle after each sentence}'' Table 44 needs more breadsticks! The soccer team left without paying! And the delivery guy caught a flat!

'''STRONG BAD:''' What are you talking about? Weren't you just a customer?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, but The Cheat hired me for the lunch rush. I mean, hey! Somebody's gotta make that muh-ney! ''{runs off}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This is all wrong! ''{cuts back to Strong Badia}'' The Cheat, in our effort to make a pretend pizza place in order to score some chicks, we somehow created a successful and well-reviewed actual pizza place!

''{Cut through static to Strong Sad standing in front of a sign that reads "Review Revue". Music plays}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Rustic and filled with old-world cardboard charm, ''{the Pizz's logo rolls in from the bottom-right}'' the Pizz serves up Strong Badian-style pizza at a ''{points upwards}'' price that won't leave a dent in your wallet!

''{A green check mark and the text "pick!" appears with a "ding". Cut back through static to Strong Bad and The Cheat in Strong Badia}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Maybe we're going about this the wrong way, The Cheat. Girls don't wanna meet people in person anymore! They wanna meet 'em online!

''{Cut to a view of the Lappy 486 with a nondescript web browser open; the text "<nowiki>http://www.virtualpizz.biz</nowiki>" is typed into the location bar}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Welcome to virtualpizz.biz!

''{The screen turns green. The "Virtualpizz.biz" logo and a button that says "login" appears, a cursor moves over the "login" button and clicks it. The screen changes to show a picture of a piece of pizza with eyes, arms and legs; to the left is a field containing the text "purseaddikt89", below which are buttons for "EYES", "HAIR", "MOUTH", "NOSE", "TOPPING" and "CRUST".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Where typical college girls can customize their own slice of pizza for some serious social networking.

''{The cursor moves around and clicks the "eye" button twice, the "hair" button twice, the "nose" button three times and the "topping" button twice; the features in question change with each click. The screen then zooms in to show two slices of pizza in Strong Badia with Strong Bad. The lower left corner reads, "Pizz Points $500".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' With me!

'''COMPUTERIZED STRONG BAD:''' ''{in a monotonous version of Strong Bad's voice, lines appear in orange bubbles above him}'' Sup, Ladies. Welcome to the Pizz!

'''SLICE OF PIZZA ON THE LEFT:''' ''{in a monotonous version of Homestar Runner's voice, lines appear in red bubbles above him}'' Hey man, can I get a slice of p-roni?

'''SLICE OF PIZZA ON THE RIGHT:''' ''{in a monotonous version of the King of Town's voice, lines appear in purple bubbles above him}'' I'd like to place a pick-up order.

'''COMPUTERIZED STRONG BAD:''' You're not Daphne, you're... pizza trolls! Flame war!!

''{Both slices of pizza catch fire and start running away}''

'''SLICE OF PIZZA ON THE RIGHT:''' It burns!

'''SLICE OF PIZZA ON THE LEFT:''' Ahhhhhhhh!

'''COMPUTERIZED STRONG BAD:''' Well, I guess I should spend all these Pizz points.

''{The number of Pizz points decreases and objects appear in Strong Badia: The arcade game and couch from the Basement and Homestar's dresser and cow lamp. The right fence is then painted like the Basement, the left pink with blue dots. As he does so, his $500 in Pizz Points drops with each item, eventually ending at "$-51". Cut through static to Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' With a clunky UI and a played-out avatar system, Virtualpizz.biz ''{the Virtualpizz.biz logo enters from the bottom-right; Strong Sad points upwards}'' misses the mark!

''{A red X with text "Miss!" appears over the logo with a buzzer sound.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' That, and every time I tried to add Strong Bad to my Pizz list, he'd call me Thelonious Dump!

''{Cut back through static to Strong Bad at the Lappy 486}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, I'm all outta ideas. I dunno how to get Daphne and her girls to come to my pizza joint.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

''{Zoom out to a view of The Cheat standing to the right of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What do you mean, they're at your pizza joint? What pizza joint? The Pizz has ''competition''?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises; makes a beckoning motion with his arm}''

''{Cut to the King of Town's barbecue, which has "CHEATSA PIZZA" written on a strip of masking tape on it}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' That's your pizza joint.

''{Cut to show Strong Bad and The Cheat next to the barbecue}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Grill with some tape on it.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{smiles, affirming The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Lemme see this.

''{Strong Bad opens the grill; balloons and confetti come out and high pitched, excited voices are heard. Strong Bad looks surprised. Cut to a silhouette of the same scene as the balloons drift off-screen. Cut back to Strong Bad and The Cheat.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{covers barbecue again, cutting out the sound effects}'' The Cheat, this is amazing! Count me in! ''{sotto voce}'' Do you guys take Pizz points?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{affirming The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Count me in!

''{Strong Bad opens the barbecue and jumps in; The Cheat follows him. The grill shuts behind him. The grill opens again and The Cheat partially emerges, looking dazed and covered in lipstick.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

''{The Cheat goes back into the barbecue and it shuts. The King of Town enters from the left carrying a lighter, a can of gasoline, a container of lighter fluid that reads "Lite em up Dan" and a bag of charcoal that reads "King of Town Charcoal!"}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Doo doo doot doot doo...

''{Cut back to the Lappy 486. The [[New Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click on "girls" at the end to see an extra scene with Strong Sad.
:''{Strong Sad at the Review Revue}''
:'''STRONG SAD:''' Strong Bad phones this one in with ''{pointing upwards}'' Strong Bad Email 179. ''{sbemail179.html slides at the bottom-right of the screen}'' Despite a strong showing from fan favorite Strong Sad, ''{slaps his stomach}'' the email ultimately fizzles due to a heavy reliance on what can only be called "internet pizza jokes". ''{a red X reading "MISS!" appears on top of sbemail179.html}''
*Click on "pizza joint" at the end to see an extra scene with Homestar.
:''{Homestar is dressed in his "The Pizz" uniform, [[dancing]] on a blue background}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Party! Cheatsa Party!

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*A [[wikipedia:Calzone|calzone]] consists of pizza toppings and ricotta or mozzarella cheese wrapped inside a large piece of pizza dough.
*A [[Wikipedia:Flaming (Internet)|flame war]] is a common message board term for a heated (and hateful) argument.
*A [[Wikipedia:Troll (Internet)|Troll]] is a common message board term used for people who flame other users and incite arguments and flame wars.
*"UI" stands for [[Wikipedia:User interface#User interfaces in computing|user interface]], the design of a program (or web page) and how users can interact with it.
*An [[Wikipedia:Avatar_(virtual_reality)|"avatar"]] is an Internet user's representation of himself or herself, in this case, a model used in the social networking site of Virtual Pizz.
*Strong Bad's "We gotta strike while the girl is still hot" is a play on the expression regarding needing to "strike while the iron is still hot".

===Trivia===
*[http://virtualpizz.biz www.virtualpizz.biz] is a real fan-created website that was registered about half an hour after this email debuted. The site features the login page from the email. An [[Easter egg]] (accessed by clicking on the dot in .biz) reveals a link to an [http://virtualpizz.biz/about.html about page].
*The [[Floppy Disk Container]] reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#D|D]]".
*This is the first email since the debut of New Paper with no complaint about it from Strong Bad. This is also the first email with the New Paper printing out without any problems or setbacks.
*The bushes in The Field are rendered in a previously unseen style.
*The "Pizz Points" for each item are: $50 for [[TROGDOR!]] $150 for the [[Couch]], $50 for the stand, $1 for the [[Cow Lamp]], and $150 for each wallpaper. The total Pizz Points for all items is $551 — leaving Strong Bad $51 in debt.
*This is another instance of [[Strong Sad smiling]], which occurs while he's reviewing The Pizz.

===Goofs===
*Two black dots can be briefly seen below Homestar's eyes when he squints them.
*When the left slice of pizza enters the online world, the tire overlaps it.
*In the Strong Sad review Easter egg, part of the Sbemail179.html shadow is missing until Strong Sad pats his belly.

===Fixed Goofs===
*When this e-mail was first released, black dots flashed on Homestar's face when the camera zoomed in on him talking.
*When virtual Strong Bad spends his pizz points, the polkadot fence wallpaper used to overlap the tire. This was quickly fixed.

===Inside References===
*This email prominently features [[pizza]].
*Strong Bad complained about not getting emails from college girls in [[hygiene]].
*Strong Bad again says [[competition]].
*[[Credenza]] is seen in the background of the Review Revue.
*The background of the Review Revue is from [[pizzaz]].
*The King of Town uses "Light 'Em Up [[Dan]]" brand lighter fluid.
*The music playing on Review Revue is from [[portrait]].
*"Cheatsa parties" were previously mentioned in [[mile]], and Homestar's Easter egg dance is identical to the broken animation of a [[:Image:headlessdance.gif|headless Homestar dancing]] found at the end of the Flash file. This may be a clue that the Easter egg was originally going to be used in "mile" when you clicked on "pizza parties", but was later replaced.
*The sides of the pizza boxes read "Pizza Box" / "Neighborhood [[Style]]".
*Strong Sad acknowledges he is in a sbemail and points to the URL bar, which is a [[fourth wall break]].
**In addition, the URL appearing on the screen also breaks the fourth wall.
*The "CHEATSA PiZZA" sign is a use of [[lowercase i's]].
*P-roni, t-sauce, m-rooms, p-loaf and m-cheese are examples of abbreviations that might be used around [[The Office]] (similar to [[Piemonade|p-nade]]).

===Real-World References===
*The King of Town ordering "Thanksgiving Lover's" pizzas is a reference to pizza shops that sell "Meat Lover's" or "Veggie Lover's" pizzas, particularly [[Wikipedia:Pizza Hut|Pizza Hut]].
*VirtualPizz.biz spoofs commercial social massively multi-player online games such as [[Wikipedia:Habbo Hotel|Habbo Hotel]], [[Wikipedia:Club Penguin|Club Penguin]], and [[Wikipedia:Coke Music| Coke Music]].
*Homestar's Easter egg song is based on a commercial for the [http://www.inthe80s.com/toys/pizzaparty.shtml Pizza Party] board game.
*Strong Bad's nickname for Strong Sad, "Thelonious [[Dump]]", is a reference to famous jazz pianist [[wikipedia:Thelonious Monk|Thelonious Monk]].
*"I belong in a museum" parodies one of Indiana Jones' catchphrases, "This belongs in a museum."
*"Internet pizza jokes" are actually a type of humor. Some [http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~pizza/pizzaweb.html web sites] actually offer virtual imaginary pizza.

===Fast Forward===
*A 'Slumber Party Style' Pizza Box from the Pizz is shown in [[slumber party]].
**Homestar would also sing the "Cheatsa Party" song, replacing "cheatsa" with "slumber" in [[slumber party]].

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|179|12517}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

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2007-09-19T16:17:22Z

Nerd42: /* Summary */ Um, I don't think it's a CD I think it's a vynil record :)

== Summary ==
The cover of [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]

== Licensing ==
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Talk:Songs

2007-09-19T16:12:17Z

Nerd42: /* Adding Files? */

This poor page is orphaned, but seems to contain very useful information. Should it be linked to from the main page like Characters and Toons? Or is there some other index page that should link to it?

First, thanks for the complements. I didn't know anyone else read my little page.
When I first made it, I had it linked to the main page, but Tom moved it to the
downloads section (on the old wiki) because on the main site the only list of
songs is in the download section. I'd like to see it linked from the main page
again, but the admins know best. -FatPamPam

Hey, what about the Peter Frampton clip from the Strong Bad secret main page? That's a song. Probably. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 21:35, 10 Nov 2004 (MST)

This is a wiki. Put it on there. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

Y'know, this page is a bit unorganized. I think I'll alphabatize it. Do you think I should do it by the title of the toon or of the song?
I'll do that tonight. --FatPamPam

Done. Oh, and I added that "Poot Slap" is on the SB Room Main page, in addition to the Luau. -FPP

Sweet! It's linked to from the main page! I'm so happy!- FatPamPam

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned anything yet about the absence of 'Strong Bad's Rhythm 'n' Grammar' from [[local news]] on the Songs page.
-- [[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

Okay, done. But this is a wiki, so you could have done it just as easily :-). Oh, well. I do most of this page anyway. -FPP

== Adding Files? ==

I uploaded a sound file to the wiki and I put it on here, but my edit was reverted. Why? Did I do something wrong? If so, I'm sorry... Tell me what happened please :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:54, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

I second her question (if there is such a thing); why was that reverted? -FatPamPam

:I left a note on the [[Image talk:Strong Bad - Grumblecakes (-1 Future Jam).ogg|sound file's talk page]] upon it's removal from this page. Pretty much, as I already [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Uploading Music|told you]], uploading sound files such as this violates The Brothers Chaps copyrights since it isn't fair use.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:45, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Oh! I misread your response on the FAQ talk page. I thought you said "I don't see why not" instead of "I don't see why." Whoops! Sorry about that. The reason I uploaded this particular file is becuase it is a full-length song that ISN'T gettable without watching the ENTIRE toon first. I uploaded it just incase anyone wants to listen to it without watching the toon first. I understand why it would break copyright laws to upload something from the CD or DVD, but what laws would giving away for free something that was given to you for free? I want to be as helpful as possible on the wiki and I've read the rules and such. I need to know what's wrong with this sort of thing. Thank you :-)→[[User:evin290|evin290]] 04:47, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::Yeah, it's not really clear cut. That's why we try to play it safe by not reproducing stuff like that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:15, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

::::Alright - so I'll only add download files that are downloadable from the site. Okay :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 04:30, 2 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::::Just remember, files that are downloadable from the site should be externally linked to. We don't want to host the files, TBC do a fine job of that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:20, 2 Feb 2005 (MST)

::::I think that's weird too; we can use copied pictures, words, and text, but not sound. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

:Hey, the "Wheat Grows Sweet" was a download from the site. It was a quote of the week a long time ago.

:I used to have a link for that. I don't know why it was taken off. I just put it back on.
:Perhaps I lost it when I transfered "Peasant's Quest" to the Gamses portion.
:-FatPamPam

'''Any files that the Brothers Chaps have as mp3s on their site should be linked to directly from here.''' And the links should probably get their own column in the table. Who could possibly disagree with that??

What some might disagree with (but I don't) is I think it should be considered fair use if any sounds that are in a Macromedia Flash file are extracted and redistributed in the same way the Flash files are (i.e. for free) unless The Brothers Chaps object by writing us a letter. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== Umm ==

Some of the links mainly the one with technochoclate and thinkiman don't work anymore.

(I can't believe I am usin IE) -Teh C.

== Thing in a Bag song ==

There was that one "TV Show" song from "Thing in a Bag" there ... --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:Ooh! and the "Everybody Everybody" Christmas Remix from the end of "Oh Holy Crap" ... you know, during the credits. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

i wish we had mp3s of those. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 00:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
:Or better yet, OGGs. But yeah, I've been known to leave the page up after "Oh Holy Crap" letting that loop run for minutes. Somethin' about it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Me too. I don't know why. It's a... cute song. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

==Oranginaded where, again?==
We've got a problem. Several of the songs under [[Songs#Songs that originated on "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits"|Songs that originated on "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits"]] ''didn't'' literally originate there. Specifically, "Let's Get Started (etc.)" and "The Ladies In My Town (etc.)" ''originated'' in [[Strong Bad Sings]]. We never hear them, though, which makes it tricky to simply delete them from this section. They were, um, first "realized" on the cd... The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song is even more difficult, since this could hardly be considered its "origin," but also is a new entity that hasn't been heard before. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:Also, what's the page standard for placement? I see that SB's "Shanama" Panama and O Canada parodies are up in the toon, but H*R's "Greatest American Hero" parody is under "Not By TBC". To be consistent, I'd suggest putting anything we know TBC sourced on other music in this way in the bottom. So upstairs is originals only, and downstairs are real songs and parodies/new lyrics. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

::Hi man, be '''bold'''. If you think some stuff need to move around, move it around. The idea of organizing a page is great, but sometimes you just have to do it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
::NP, I just wondered if there WAS any rhyme or reason before i spent any time on it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I organized the page a little differently. Whaddaya know, Haddiman? (One thing - the Wheat song from PQ - are there lyrics? Cuz it really isn't a "song" without lyrics. Everything else has lyrics or is specifically called a song. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I really wouldn't mind seeing some tablage on this page. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::::That'd be great, but I haven't figured that out yet! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

==Wheat Is Sweet?==

Well, "The Entertainer" doesn't have lyrics, either, but it's definitely a song. I see your point, though. I think that, since it was offered as a quote of the week, we might as well keep it on here. -FatPamPam

:Actually, The Entertainer has lyrics. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::Though this could be discussed further. My point is every little tune would deserve a spot here, which isn't going to lead to any good. The Entertainer, that's a judgement call, and there certainly is an argument for and against it being a song. But the Wheat thing is a ''tune'', not a song, and I don't think that qualifies. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
:::As time goes by (which IS a song), I'm more and more sure. It's available on the QOTD, and should be available on the Peasant's Quest page, but not here. I'll list it, and the Stinkoman tunes, below so they'll not be lost. Feel free to link them from other pages. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Wheat Grows Sweet ([[Mirror:wheatgrowssweet.zip|Download]])
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] -- Level 1, Level 2, Cutscene ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_level1.mp3 Download Level 1]), ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_level2.mp3 Download Level 2]), ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_cutscene.mp3 Download Level 2.1 cutscene])

== Organization ==

I think I've developed a good system for categorizing the songs.

1 Songs by The Brothers Chaps (and/or Missy Palmer) - these are completely original, and should be listed here and in the alphabetical section at the bottom.

1.1 from Toons - any short, feature, or other toon except sbemail.

1.2 from Strong Bad Emails - Strong Bad Emails only

1.3 from Games - Games Only

1.4 from "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits" - obvious

1.5 Songs from the DVD - again, obvious, though music from emails probably ought to be listed above

2 Songs partly by The Brothers Chaps - this includes parody lyrics to existing tunes, collaborations, etc.

3 Songs not by The Brothers Chaps - use this when the song is used as recorded previously by someone else, or when a character sings the exact words someone else wrote.

In 2 and 3, we should try to find attributions for the parts that are not by TBC. That means the writer(s) when they cover the song. If they use an actual cut, credit the performer too.

I think that sums it up. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:And now we have tables. I did not put the TMBG concert into a table, nor the Sealab songs, as there's no point. Feel free to neaten up anything you think needs it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, another thing. It seems sensible to exclude original music that has no words, as they're not songs. But we should include non-original music such as "Theme from ''Night Court''" to cite composers and/or important artists being referenced. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I Don't Get It ==

I have been working on [[Songs By Character]] forever and haven't really glanced at this one. I don't understand the format here; it's different from SBC. Qermaq left a note on my talk page that I should add the song I put on the other article here (just so you know, I put 98% of the songs on that page) and on Titles too, but I'm not sure where. Could someone explain this for me? Thanks. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 18:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sure. The page is in three sections. First, completely original songs, and that's subdivided into Toons, Sbemails, etc. Most stuff will go there. These are also (generally) the songs that end up in the Songs By Title and By Character pages (though I don't think that's a hard and fast rule). The second section is for songs which are not entirely TBC original, be they parodies, collaborations, or the like. The third section is for songs which are not at all written by TBC, though they might be sung by a character. Does that make more sense? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, thank you. Before, I was thinking, "What the crap?! This makes no sense to me, so I'll post it on the talk page and hopefully Qermaq will explain it." And you did! Horray! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg Songs ==

I've been noticing that we have been putting up all of the (few) songs in Easter Eggs. In [[ghosts]], after you kill the bad graphics ghost, Strong Sad sings the "Ghost of John" song. Shoud we put this up?--[[User:Strong Rose|Strong Rose]] 00:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:It's already listed, under [[Songs#Songs not by The Brothers Chaps|Songs not by The Brothers Chaps]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oops. ':) Sorry. I didn't look hard enough. My bad. --[[User:Strong Rose|Strong Rose]] 21:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Songs

2007-09-19T16:10:31Z

Nerd42: /* Adding Files? */

This poor page is orphaned, but seems to contain very useful information. Should it be linked to from the main page like Characters and Toons? Or is there some other index page that should link to it?

First, thanks for the complements. I didn't know anyone else read my little page.
When I first made it, I had it linked to the main page, but Tom moved it to the
downloads section (on the old wiki) because on the main site the only list of
songs is in the download section. I'd like to see it linked from the main page
again, but the admins know best. -FatPamPam

Hey, what about the Peter Frampton clip from the Strong Bad secret main page? That's a song. Probably. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 21:35, 10 Nov 2004 (MST)

This is a wiki. Put it on there. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

Y'know, this page is a bit unorganized. I think I'll alphabatize it. Do you think I should do it by the title of the toon or of the song?
I'll do that tonight. --FatPamPam

Done. Oh, and I added that "Poot Slap" is on the SB Room Main page, in addition to the Luau. -FPP

Sweet! It's linked to from the main page! I'm so happy!- FatPamPam

I'm surprised nobody's mentioned anything yet about the absence of 'Strong Bad's Rhythm 'n' Grammar' from [[local news]] on the Songs page.
-- [[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

Okay, done. But this is a wiki, so you could have done it just as easily :-). Oh, well. I do most of this page anyway. -FPP

== Adding Files? ==

I uploaded a sound file to the wiki and I put it on here, but my edit was reverted. Why? Did I do something wrong? If so, I'm sorry... Tell me what happened please :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 13:54, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

I second her question (if there is such a thing); why was that reverted? -FatPamPam

:I left a note on the [[Image talk:Strong Bad - Grumblecakes (-1 Future Jam).ogg|sound file's talk page]] upon it's removal from this page. Pretty much, as I already [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Uploading Music|told you]], uploading sound files such as this violates The Brothers Chaps copyrights since it isn't fair use.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:45, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Oh! I misread your response on the FAQ talk page. I thought you said "I don't see why not" instead of "I don't see why." Whoops! Sorry about that. The reason I uploaded this particular file is becuase it is a full-length song that ISN'T gettable without watching the ENTIRE toon first. I uploaded it just incase anyone wants to listen to it without watching the toon first. I understand why it would break copyright laws to upload something from the CD or DVD, but what laws would giving away for free something that was given to you for free? I want to be as helpful as possible on the wiki and I've read the rules and such. I need to know what's wrong with this sort of thing. Thank you :-)→[[User:evin290|evin290]] 04:47, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::Yeah, it's not really clear cut. That's why we try to play it safe by not reproducing stuff like that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:15, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

::::Alright - so I'll only add download files that are downloadable from the site. Okay :-) →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 04:30, 2 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::::Just remember, files that are downloadable from the site should be externally linked to. We don't want to host the files, TBC do a fine job of that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:20, 2 Feb 2005 (MST)

::::I think that's weird too; we can use copied pictures, words, and text, but not sound. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

:Hey, the "Wheat Grows Sweet" was a download from the site. It was a quote of the week a long time ago.

:I used to have a link for that. I don't know why it was taken off. I just put it back on.
:Perhaps I lost it when I transfered "Peasant's Quest" to the Gamses portion.
:-FatPamPam

'''Any files that the Brothers Chaps have as mp3s on their site should be linked to directly from here.''' And should probably get their own column in the table. Who could possibly disagree with that?? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== Umm ==

Some of the links mainly the one with technochoclate and thinkiman don't work anymore.

(I can't believe I am usin IE) -Teh C.

== Thing in a Bag song ==

There was that one "TV Show" song from "Thing in a Bag" there ... --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:Ooh! and the "Everybody Everybody" Christmas Remix from the end of "Oh Holy Crap" ... you know, during the credits. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

i wish we had mp3s of those. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 00:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
:Or better yet, OGGs. But yeah, I've been known to leave the page up after "Oh Holy Crap" letting that loop run for minutes. Somethin' about it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:51, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Me too. I don't know why. It's a... cute song. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

==Oranginaded where, again?==
We've got a problem. Several of the songs under [[Songs#Songs that originated on "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits"|Songs that originated on "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits"]] ''didn't'' literally originate there. Specifically, "Let's Get Started (etc.)" and "The Ladies In My Town (etc.)" ''originated'' in [[Strong Bad Sings]]. We never hear them, though, which makes it tricky to simply delete them from this section. They were, um, first "realized" on the cd... The Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song is even more difficult, since this could hardly be considered its "origin," but also is a new entity that hasn't been heard before. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:Also, what's the page standard for placement? I see that SB's "Shanama" Panama and O Canada parodies are up in the toon, but H*R's "Greatest American Hero" parody is under "Not By TBC". To be consistent, I'd suggest putting anything we know TBC sourced on other music in this way in the bottom. So upstairs is originals only, and downstairs are real songs and parodies/new lyrics. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

::Hi man, be '''bold'''. If you think some stuff need to move around, move it around. The idea of organizing a page is great, but sometimes you just have to do it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
::NP, I just wondered if there WAS any rhyme or reason before i spent any time on it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I organized the page a little differently. Whaddaya know, Haddiman? (One thing - the Wheat song from PQ - are there lyrics? Cuz it really isn't a "song" without lyrics. Everything else has lyrics or is specifically called a song. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I really wouldn't mind seeing some tablage on this page. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::::That'd be great, but I haven't figured that out yet! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

==Wheat Is Sweet?==

Well, "The Entertainer" doesn't have lyrics, either, but it's definitely a song. I see your point, though. I think that, since it was offered as a quote of the week, we might as well keep it on here. -FatPamPam

:Actually, The Entertainer has lyrics. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::Though this could be discussed further. My point is every little tune would deserve a spot here, which isn't going to lead to any good. The Entertainer, that's a judgement call, and there certainly is an argument for and against it being a song. But the Wheat thing is a ''tune'', not a song, and I don't think that qualifies. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:35, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
:::As time goes by (which IS a song), I'm more and more sure. It's available on the QOTD, and should be available on the Peasant's Quest page, but not here. I'll list it, and the Stinkoman tunes, below so they'll not be lost. Feel free to link them from other pages. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Wheat Grows Sweet ([[Mirror:wheatgrowssweet.zip|Download]])
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] -- Level 1, Level 2, Cutscene ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_level1.mp3 Download Level 1]), ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_level2.mp3 Download Level 2]), ([http://www.videlectrix.com/songs/stinkoman_cutscene.mp3 Download Level 2.1 cutscene])

== Organization ==

I think I've developed a good system for categorizing the songs.

1 Songs by The Brothers Chaps (and/or Missy Palmer) - these are completely original, and should be listed here and in the alphabetical section at the bottom.

1.1 from Toons - any short, feature, or other toon except sbemail.

1.2 from Strong Bad Emails - Strong Bad Emails only

1.3 from Games - Games Only

1.4 from "Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits" - obvious

1.5 Songs from the DVD - again, obvious, though music from emails probably ought to be listed above

2 Songs partly by The Brothers Chaps - this includes parody lyrics to existing tunes, collaborations, etc.

3 Songs not by The Brothers Chaps - use this when the song is used as recorded previously by someone else, or when a character sings the exact words someone else wrote.

In 2 and 3, we should try to find attributions for the parts that are not by TBC. That means the writer(s) when they cover the song. If they use an actual cut, credit the performer too.

I think that sums it up. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:15, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:And now we have tables. I did not put the TMBG concert into a table, nor the Sealab songs, as there's no point. Feel free to neaten up anything you think needs it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, another thing. It seems sensible to exclude original music that has no words, as they're not songs. But we should include non-original music such as "Theme from ''Night Court''" to cite composers and/or important artists being referenced. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:10, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== I Don't Get It ==

I have been working on [[Songs By Character]] forever and haven't really glanced at this one. I don't understand the format here; it's different from SBC. Qermaq left a note on my talk page that I should add the song I put on the other article here (just so you know, I put 98% of the songs on that page) and on Titles too, but I'm not sure where. Could someone explain this for me? Thanks. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 18:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:Sure. The page is in three sections. First, completely original songs, and that's subdivided into Toons, Sbemails, etc. Most stuff will go there. These are also (generally) the songs that end up in the Songs By Title and By Character pages (though I don't think that's a hard and fast rule). The second section is for songs which are not entirely TBC original, be they parodies, collaborations, or the like. The third section is for songs which are not at all written by TBC, though they might be sung by a character. Does that make more sense? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, thank you. Before, I was thinking, "What the crap?! This makes no sense to me, so I'll post it on the talk page and hopefully Qermaq will explain it." And you did! Horray! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

== Easter Egg Songs ==

I've been noticing that we have been putting up all of the (few) songs in Easter Eggs. In [[ghosts]], after you kill the bad graphics ghost, Strong Sad sings the "Ghost of John" song. Shoud we put this up?--[[User:Strong Rose|Strong Rose]] 00:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
:It's already listed, under [[Songs#Songs not by The Brothers Chaps|Songs not by The Brothers Chaps]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oops. ':) Sorry. I didn't look hard enough. My bad. --[[User:Strong Rose|Strong Rose]] 21:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Limozeen vs. sloshy

2007-09-19T16:03:06Z

Nerd42: /* we need a page about music singles now */

==Transcript==
How are we gonna do this one? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:No idea at all, which is pretty much why all I put there was a template. --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] [[user talk:Blu Aardvark|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Blu Aardvark|(edits)]] 07:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

::How about a different section for each song, with the exception of the original version of Because It's Midnite (we can just link to [[Because It's Midnite]], assuming they're same (I think they are)). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::: I own the CD and I'm not sure they're identical exactly, but they're definitely close enough if they're not. I can compare when I find said CD. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I guess there's nothing more to sloshy's song than was in the QotW. So, we can just link to [[sloshy]] for the original version of that song too. Also, it looks like perhaps we should put the original lyrics to "We Don't Even Really Care About You" on [[sloshy]] — that seems like the best place for them, rather than creating a separate page at [[We Don't Even Really Care About You]]... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::BTW, the reason I thought it might not have been the original was because the lead singer doesn't seem to have Larry's overexaggerated voice, but it's like that on the CD too. Maybe that was pre-Larry's-overexaggerated-voice-being-a-standard. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Limozeen_vs._Sloshy&diff=499198&oldid=499197 This}} looks great as a format to start with. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::I don't think it ''is'' the same one as on the CD. Trust me, it's different. Lyrically, it's the same, but the sound is different. I'm not a music expert or anything, so I can't toss out any terms or instruments, but it IS different. I'd bet my (forum) account on it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I listened to both together. I didn't listen all the way through, but the intros were 100% identical. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'm currently playing both versions simultaneously. There is no difference. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Waaaait a minute, are you all suggesting that the CD version (played by LIMOZEEN) is the same as the one here (played by SLOSHY)? They're completely different musically and the only similarities between the lead vocals are because they're both Matt Chapman. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 13:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, he's talking about the music you hear when you click "hear the original". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::It sounds to me like the sound quality was reduced. It may be higher than it normally is for the toons, but CD quality it ain't. If you're talking mp3, CD quality is at about 128 kbps (that's KiloBits Per Second) and this sounds like it may be somewhere around half that rate. Which, I think, is consistent with it being converted from stereophonic (stereo) to monaural (mono). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 17:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::The audio quality in this toon is 22kHz, mono, 32kbit/s MP3 (cf: CD audio, which is 44kHz, stereo, 16bit lossless - comparable to MP3 at around 128 or 192 kbps. Also cf: [[bike thief]]'s audio is 11kHz, mono, 16kbit/s MP3). Just throwing that pointless piece of trivia out there. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

==Members of sloshy==
Shouldnt there be a page about the members of sloshy? Or is that to the least importance. {{User:Foop/sig}}Foop 12:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, there's not much more known about them yet, but [[sloshy]] could probably be updated, at very least with a picture of their cartoon versions. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

==Length==
Do you think it's worth a Remark that both songs are exactly the same length (1:35)? It just seems like it might be interesting, or possibly even deliberate. [[User:69.70.248.73|69.70.248.73]] 12:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I also notice that Because, It's Midnite is missing a verse; if that verse was there, they would no longer be the same length. I don't know how intentional it is, but hey, always open to discussion on the Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::Since nobody's said anything against it, I'm gonna go ahead and put that in the article. It's more of a point of interest than a fact, so I'm putting it in Remarks. [[User:Dementedc|Dementedc]] 00:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Chucks and not Sneakers ==

The left foot has a [[wikipedia:Chuck Taylor All-Stars|chuck]] on, not a sneaker. I'm pretty sure it is but just to be cautious: anyone dis/agree? {{User:Punching Kittens/sig}} 19:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good thing we have [[Chuck Taylor All-Stars|a page]] about them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::Then it's good times for everybody! {{User:Punching Kittens/sig}} 23:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Music Styles ==

I dunno about anyone else, but for the Limozeen versions I got a huge Zeppelin vibe from the first and a Blue Oyster Cult vibe from the other. Just throwing it out there.

:Strange. I thought the Limozeen cover of We Don't Really Even Care sounded a lot like Guns N' Roses, and the sloshy cover of Because It's Midnite sounded a lot like a generic alternative rock band.

I dont really get a Zeppelin vibe. Maybe JET, but Zeppelin's a little softer.

==Rrolling the arrrs==

I noticed that the Limozeen song seems to roll the Rs even when there aren't any. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt that's a 'distortion', I think he's just trilling.
..
Wait, there's a second H*R CD???

== Scrolling Background ==

Don't you think the seam in the space background counts as a real-world reference? I mean, if you look at the repeating backgrounds used in old Hanna-Barbera cartoons (e.g. Scooby-Doo), you'll notice that you can see the seams in those as well...and "But They're In Space!" ''is'' a parody of those kinds of old cartoons.--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 23:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:TBC have more explicitly parodied this in the past, at the end [[little animal]]. I do think it's intentional, but I'm not sure if how to word it as a fun fact. Also, I should note that they used this same background (with the same seam) in [[best thing]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Pavement ==

Sloshy playing Limozeen's "Because, It's Midnite" sounds unmistakably like Pavement.

It's a pretty darn accurate send-up.

:Is pavement a band or a song? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know anything about Pavement, but I assume it's a band from the info on sloshy's talk page.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 03:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia:Pavement (band)|Pavement]]'s an indie rock band. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Pavement's rather notorious for being unfathomable musically, not even really singing as much as talking along with the beat (not rap... you know what I mean. I hope ^_^;) [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought they sounded like the Stones. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

==Limozeen In Space==

Could the fact that Limozeen is chasing Sloshy in space refer to them having been "knocked off the charts in the forbidden zone by an alternative rock band"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
first thing tell me where is the girl of the band? then it will work.
==Bad real world reference==
Real-World References
The page title is a variation of the catch phrase 'The devil made me do it!' popularized by comedian Flip Wilson.
:Or, maybe the label made them do it, rather than saying it's some quote that's been changed in order to emulate it.

== A split seven inch, eh? ==

Shouldn't there be a reference to the Marzipan's Answering Machine where the cheat and kot did a split single together? [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 22:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Cover Art ==

I was rearranging my parents' CD collection, and I found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_Back:_The_Best_of_The_Rolling_Stones this CD]. The cover art is very similar to what's seen in this toon. But I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 05:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

==Short or not short, that is the question==

I'm puzzled by the controversy on whether or not this is a short, which is consequently causing the Trivia bit about this being the longest "short" on the site. I thought that the purpose of this Wiki was to abide by the categories set by TBC and provide extra, related information to the best of our collective ability. Limozeen vs. sloshy is classified by TBC as a "short" and when you combine the 4 songs, it is clearly the longest one there is. To me, it is pretty clear then that the fact about the run time is a relevant piece of information, worthy of being included in our wiki. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Nobody ever said it wasn't a short. I'm saying it's not a ''toon'' (in the general accepted sense of the word), and thus does not qualify for longest short toon, regardless of its running length. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== we need a page about music singles now ==

now that there are at least two music singles in the H*R universe, ([[The New KOT]] vs [[DJ Teh Cheat]] and this one) I think we should have a page on [[Singles]] maybe --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Limozeen vs. sloshy

2007-09-19T16:02:51Z

Nerd42: /**/we need a page about music singles now

==Transcript==
How are we gonna do this one? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:No idea at all, which is pretty much why all I put there was a template. --[[User:Blu Aardvark|Blu Aardvark]] [[user talk:Blu Aardvark|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Blu Aardvark|(edits)]] 07:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

::How about a different section for each song, with the exception of the original version of Because It's Midnite (we can just link to [[Because It's Midnite]], assuming they're same (I think they are)). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::: I own the CD and I'm not sure they're identical exactly, but they're definitely close enough if they're not. I can compare when I find said CD. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I guess there's nothing more to sloshy's song than was in the QotW. So, we can just link to [[sloshy]] for the original version of that song too. Also, it looks like perhaps we should put the original lyrics to "We Don't Even Really Care About You" on [[sloshy]] — that seems like the best place for them, rather than creating a separate page at [[We Don't Even Really Care About You]]... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::BTW, the reason I thought it might not have been the original was because the lead singer doesn't seem to have Larry's overexaggerated voice, but it's like that on the CD too. Maybe that was pre-Larry's-overexaggerated-voice-being-a-standard. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Limozeen_vs._Sloshy&diff=499198&oldid=499197 This}} looks great as a format to start with. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::I don't think it ''is'' the same one as on the CD. Trust me, it's different. Lyrically, it's the same, but the sound is different. I'm not a music expert or anything, so I can't toss out any terms or instruments, but it IS different. I'd bet my (forum) account on it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:06, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I listened to both together. I didn't listen all the way through, but the intros were 100% identical. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'm currently playing both versions simultaneously. There is no difference. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Waaaait a minute, are you all suggesting that the CD version (played by LIMOZEEN) is the same as the one here (played by SLOSHY)? They're completely different musically and the only similarities between the lead vocals are because they're both Matt Chapman. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 13:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::No, he's talking about the music you hear when you click "hear the original". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::It sounds to me like the sound quality was reduced. It may be higher than it normally is for the toons, but CD quality it ain't. If you're talking mp3, CD quality is at about 128 kbps (that's KiloBits Per Second) and this sounds like it may be somewhere around half that rate. Which, I think, is consistent with it being converted from stereophonic (stereo) to monaural (mono). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 17:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::The audio quality in this toon is 22kHz, mono, 32kbit/s MP3 (cf: CD audio, which is 44kHz, stereo, 16bit lossless - comparable to MP3 at around 128 or 192 kbps. Also cf: [[bike thief]]'s audio is 11kHz, mono, 16kbit/s MP3). Just throwing that pointless piece of trivia out there. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

==Members of sloshy==
Shouldnt there be a page about the members of sloshy? Or is that to the least importance. {{User:Foop/sig}}Foop 12:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, there's not much more known about them yet, but [[sloshy]] could probably be updated, at very least with a picture of their cartoon versions. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

==Length==
Do you think it's worth a Remark that both songs are exactly the same length (1:35)? It just seems like it might be interesting, or possibly even deliberate. [[User:69.70.248.73|69.70.248.73]] 12:39, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
: I also notice that Because, It's Midnite is missing a verse; if that verse was there, they would no longer be the same length. I don't know how intentional it is, but hey, always open to discussion on the Talk page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::Since nobody's said anything against it, I'm gonna go ahead and put that in the article. It's more of a point of interest than a fact, so I'm putting it in Remarks. [[User:Dementedc|Dementedc]] 00:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Chucks and not Sneakers ==

The left foot has a [[wikipedia:Chuck Taylor All-Stars|chuck]] on, not a sneaker. I'm pretty sure it is but just to be cautious: anyone dis/agree? {{User:Punching Kittens/sig}} 19:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good thing we have [[Chuck Taylor All-Stars|a page]] about them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::Then it's good times for everybody! {{User:Punching Kittens/sig}} 23:33, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Music Styles ==

I dunno about anyone else, but for the Limozeen versions I got a huge Zeppelin vibe from the first and a Blue Oyster Cult vibe from the other. Just throwing it out there.

:Strange. I thought the Limozeen cover of We Don't Really Even Care sounded a lot like Guns N' Roses, and the sloshy cover of Because It's Midnite sounded a lot like a generic alternative rock band.

I dont really get a Zeppelin vibe. Maybe JET, but Zeppelin's a little softer.

==Rrolling the arrrs==

I noticed that the Limozeen song seems to roll the Rs even when there aren't any. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt that's a 'distortion', I think he's just trilling.
..
Wait, there's a second H*R CD???

== Scrolling Background ==

Don't you think the seam in the space background counts as a real-world reference? I mean, if you look at the repeating backgrounds used in old Hanna-Barbera cartoons (e.g. Scooby-Doo), you'll notice that you can see the seams in those as well...and "But They're In Space!" ''is'' a parody of those kinds of old cartoons.--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 23:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:TBC have more explicitly parodied this in the past, at the end [[little animal]]. I do think it's intentional, but I'm not sure if how to word it as a fun fact. Also, I should note that they used this same background (with the same seam) in [[best thing]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Pavement ==

Sloshy playing Limozeen's "Because, It's Midnite" sounds unmistakably like Pavement.

It's a pretty darn accurate send-up.

:Is pavement a band or a song? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know anything about Pavement, but I assume it's a band from the info on sloshy's talk page.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 03:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia:Pavement (band)|Pavement]]'s an indie rock band. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Pavement's rather notorious for being unfathomable musically, not even really singing as much as talking along with the beat (not rap... you know what I mean. I hope ^_^;) [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought they sounded like the Stones. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

==Limozeen In Space==

Could the fact that Limozeen is chasing Sloshy in space refer to them having been "knocked off the charts in the forbidden zone by an alternative rock band"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
first thing tell me where is the girl of the band? then it will work.
==Bad real world reference==
Real-World References
The page title is a variation of the catch phrase 'The devil made me do it!' popularized by comedian Flip Wilson.
:Or, maybe the label made them do it, rather than saying it's some quote that's been changed in order to emulate it.

== A split seven inch, eh? ==

Shouldn't there be a reference to the Marzipan's Answering Machine where the cheat and kot did a split single together? [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 22:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Cover Art ==

I was rearranging my parents' CD collection, and I found [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jump_Back:_The_Best_of_The_Rolling_Stones this CD]. The cover art is very similar to what's seen in this toon. But I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 05:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

==Short or not short, that is the question==

I'm puzzled by the controversy on whether or not this is a short, which is consequently causing the Trivia bit about this being the longest "short" on the site. I thought that the purpose of this Wiki was to abide by the categories set by TBC and provide extra, related information to the best of our collective ability. Limozeen vs. sloshy is classified by TBC as a "short" and when you combine the 4 songs, it is clearly the longest one there is. To me, it is pretty clear then that the fact about the run time is a relevant piece of information, worthy of being included in our wiki. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 05:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Nobody ever said it wasn't a short. I'm saying it's not a ''toon'' (in the general accepted sense of the word), and thus does not qualify for longest short toon, regardless of its running length. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

== we need a page about music singles now ==

now that there are at least two music singles in the H*R universe, ([[The New KOT]] vs [[DJ Teh Cheat]] and this one) I think we should have a page on singles maybe --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 16:02, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Because, It's Midnite

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[[Image:Limozeentruck.PNG|thumb|Because it's midnite!]]
== Detailed Information ==
{{Track information | album = Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits | track number = 5 | length = 2 minutes 13 seconds | artists = [[Limozeen]] | style = [[Wikipedia:Glam metal|Hair Metal]] | origin = Limozeen's hit single, as first mentioned in Strong Bad Email #61 [[monster truck]]. Also appears on the [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four|DVD]] in [[Because, It's Midnite (karaoke)|karaoke]] form.}}

== Lyrics ==
Walkin' the streets 
I got a feelin' 
It's leather-tough 
You better believe it 
Wakin' up late 
Asleep in the gutter 
Breakin' the chains! You'd better cut me some

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

Sunset Strip 
California 
West Hollywood 
I'm gonna warn ya 
Street smart soldiers 
Takin' up arms 
Bringin' the metal back to where it belongs!

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

''{guitar/synth solo}''

Liquid and leather 
In equal measure 
Champagne glass 
Mix 'em together

Sweet city sweat 
Vampire love 
Crimson flows down 
From the wings of a dove 
Floatin' over the pavement 
Guitars take flight 
Wearin' my tightest pants, because it's midnite!

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

Ow! Ow! Ow! 
Oooh

== Trivia ==
*This song is included in the ''[[Wikipedia:Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s|Rocks the 80s]]'' edition of the [[Guitar Hero]] video game franchise. This is the second time that a song from the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work has appeared in a Guitar Hero title, the first being Strong Bad's ''[[Trogdor (song)|Trogdor]]'' as an unlockable bonus in ''[[Wikipedia:Guitar Hero II|Guitar Hero II]]''.
*The percussion intro of this song is very similar to that of "[[Wikipedia:Working for the Weekend|Working for the Weekend]]" by [[Wikipedia:Loverboy|Loverboy]].
*The line "Breakin' the chains" might be a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Dokken|Dokken]] song of the same name.
*The guitar intro to the song is very similar to lead guitar intro in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Alice Cooper.
*This song was covered by [[sloshy]] for [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]. The full CD version of this song can also be heard in that toon.
*This is another mention of [[pants]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail61.html|Listen the song's first appearance in "monster truck"]]
*[[HR:sbemail61.swf|View the Flash file for Strong Bad Email "monster truck"]]
*[[HR:midnight.swf|Listen to a sample of the CD version]]
*[[HR:sloshy_midnite.mp3|Download sloshy's cover of ''Because, It's Midnight'']] from [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]

{{Limozeen}}
{{Template:Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits}}

[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:Limozeen]]

Because, It's Midnite

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[[Image:Limozeentruck.PNG|thumb|Because it's midnite!]]
== Detailed Information ==
{{Track information | album = Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits | track number = 5 | length = 2 minutes 13 seconds | artists = [[Limozeen]] | style = [[Wikipedia:Glam metal|Hair Metal]] | origin = Limozeen's hit single, as first mentioned in Strong Bad Email #61 [[monster truck]]. Also appears on the [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four|DVD]] in [[Because, It's Midnite (karaoke)|karaoke]] form.}}

== Lyrics ==
Walkin' the streets 
I got a feelin' 
It's leather-tough 
You better believe it 
Wakin' up late 
Asleep in the gutter 
Breakin' the chains! You'd better cut me some

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

Sunset Strip 
California 
West Hollywood 
I'm gonna warn ya 
Street smart soldiers 
Takin' up arms 
Bringin' the metal back to where it belongs!

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

''{guitar/synth solo}''

Liquid and leather 
In equal measure 
Champagne glass 
Mix 'em together

Sweet city sweat 
Vampire love 
Crimson flows down 
From the wings of a dove 
Floatin' over the pavement 
Guitars take flight 
Wearin' my tightest pants, because it's midnite!

Heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite! 
Got the heart of a lion 
And the wings of a bat 
Because it's midnite!

Ow! Ow! Ow! 
Oooh

== Trivia ==
*This song is included in the ''[[Wikipedia:Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s|Rocks the 80s]]'' edition of the [[Guitar Hero]] video game franchise. This is the second time that a song from the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work has appeared in a Guitar Hero title, the first being Strong Bad's ''[[Trogdor (song)|Trogdor]]'' as an unlockable bonus in ''[[Wikipedia:Guitar Hero II|Guitar Hero II]]''.
*The percussion intro of this song is very similar to that of "[[Wikipedia:Working for the Weekend|Working for the Weekend]]" by [[Wikipedia:Loverboy|Loverboy]].
*The line "Breakin' the chains" might be a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Dokken|Dokken]] song of the same name.
*The guitar intro to the song is very similar to lead guitar intro in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" by Alice Cooper.
*This song was covered by [[sloshy]] for [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]. The full CD version of this song can also be heard in that toon.
*This is another mention of [[pants]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sloshy_midnite.mp3|Download sloshy's cover of ''Because, It's Midnight'']] from [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]
*[[HR:sbemail61.html|Listen the song's first appearance in "monster truck"]]
*[[HR:sbemail61.swf|View the Flash file for Strong Bad Email "monster truck"]]
*[[HR:midnight.swf|Listen to a sample of the CD version]]

{{Limozeen}}
{{Template:Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits}}

[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:Limozeen]]

Television Sightings

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==Ace of Cakes==
During the Episode [http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_db/episode/0,3100,FOOD_26996_45308,00.html Hell Week], Mary is shown working at her computer with a [[Strong Bad]] [[Store Toys#Collectible Figurines|Figurine]] sitting on top of it.

== Adult Swim ==
At the end of a Sunday night bump on April 30th, 2006, Adult Swim asked viewers to check out "our podcast, or go see Homestar Runner [which kicks our ass]".

== Angel ==
[[Image:thegirlinquestion161.jpg|thumb|Look closely at his shirt]]
*In a season five episode of ''Angel'' entitled ''The Girl in Question'', Spike and Angel visited Buffy's apartment and instead found Andrew, who was wearing a black Strong Bad t-shirt. Later in the episode, Andrew wore the same Strong Bad shirt with a pore strip plastered on his nose.
*Incidentally, Andrew is the very same character who appeared in the Trogdor-laden ''Buffy'' reference. Since both shows are the brainchildren of creator/writer/executive director Joss Whedon, we can probably assume that the creator of Buffy is also a fan of Homestar Runner.

== Attack of the Show! ==
*On the May 24, 2005 episode of G4's ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira, a host, mentions [[Peasant's Quest]].
*On the July 6, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' guest host Tom Fulp, creator of Newgrounds.com, was wearing a [[Homsar]] shirt.
*On the July 12, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a dragon tattoo saying that "It's almost Trogdor."
*On the July 20, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira mentioned that "the robots cannot beat the Trogdor."
*On the June 12, 2006 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a show saying the character got "Burninated by the great Trogdor"

== Buffy the Vampire Slayer ==
[[Image:chosen164.jpg|thumb|Trogdor vs. Scoobies]]
In the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Ep. 722) Trogdor was used as a creature in a game of Dungeons & Dragons.

=== Transcript ===
:'''GILES:''' I'm — I'm — I'm all turned around. You're here?

:'''XANDER:''' By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.

:'''GILES:''' That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter. Right! I open the door.

:''{Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.}''

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{reading from a book}'' You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.

:'''GILES:''' Oh, bugger it. Fight. ''{rolls dice, sips wine}''

:'''ANDREW:''' Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.

:'''GILES:''' Well, wait a minute. What about my... ''{puts on glasses}'' bag of illusions?

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{scoffs}'' Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly British man. ''{Giles sips his wine again.}''

:'''AMANDA:''' I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{looks at Amanda}'' Step down, girlfriend, you can't just —

:'''AMANDA:''' Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it.

== Cheat! ==
On one episode of Cheat! on G4TechTV, they mentioned that if you use the random name generator enough times in the Xbox/PC game "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic," Homsar's name will be generated.

== CNN Student News ==
On the December 15, 2004 edition of [http://www.cnn.com/EDUCATION CNN Student News], a short news magazine on CNN Headline news, they had a clip of a soldier in Iraq receiving a Kick The Cheat toy for Christmas.

== Codename: Kids Next Door ==
In the episode Operation: TRAINING, Numbuh 60 says "To the moooooooon!" exactly like drunk Strong Bad, before flying to the moon.

== d'FUSED ==
On the March 12th episode of ''d'FUSED'', a segment on Red Vs. Blue showed the cast of Homestar Runner in their real-world, plastic figurine state atop the preview monitor for a Red Vs. Blue episode.

== Filter ==
This tech review show asks viewers to send in their favorite websites, but there were three websites that they did not want people submitting anymore. Homestar Runner.com was ranked #3 with 166 submissions, Red vs. Blue was #2, and Runescape was #1.

== Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends ==
[[Image:Bloostar.PNG|thumb|100px|This speaks for itself.]]
*During the episode "Bloo's Brothers" a Bloo clone that looks freakishly similar to Homestar appears very briefly. This version reappears in a mini-game in "Big Fat Awesome House Party".
*The ending of the episode "A Sight For Sore Eyes" is very similar to [[Old Intro 2]].
*In "Duchess of Wails," there's an orange imaginary friend that looks suspiciously like [[Trogdor]].
*In "Infernal Slumber," both Bloo and Goo talk about killer Possums and they drag the word out much like in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] (Goo says it exactly like Strong Bad).

== G4tv.com ==
*On [http://www.g4tv.com/g4tv/episodes/3888/Men_are_from_World_of_Warcraft_Woman_are_From_The_Sims.html this episode] of G4tv.com on G4, an unnamed person, playing the role of Laura Foy's date, was seen wearing a "[[Trogdor (character)|Trogdor]]" shirt. The video clip, entitled Gamer Dating Do's And Don'ts is now available for viewing at [http://www.g4tv.com/mediaplayer/index.aspx?video_key=9033 this location.]
*In a commercial for [http://www.g4tv.com/cinematech Cinematech], the title of [[Peasant's Quest]] is seen very briefly.

== The Geek Show ==
On ''[http://www.thegeekshow.com/ The Geek Show]'', Strong Bad Emails are frequently shown as an example of "What's funny on the internet." They have played "[[japanese cartoon]]", "[[dullard]]", "[[theme party]]" and "[[Strong Bad Sings]]" on their show.

==Global News ==
On one report on the show, the reporters were interviewing a girl wearing a Strong Sad T-Shirt.

== Junkin' ==
On the television show ''[http://www.turnersouth.com/network/shows/junkin/ Junkin']'', the host "Dave" has appeared wearing Trogdor and Strong Bad T-shirts.

== Late Show with David Letterman ==
On the [[Wikipedia: The Late Show with David Letterman|Late Show with David Letterman]], in one of their specials, they had "phil'd" on one of the answers.

== Live at Five ==
On January 31 2006, on Live at Five (Atlantic Canadian 5 o'clock news), there was a segment about chronic pain caused by computer usage that featured a group of kids watching [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]] on the computer.

== Mad Labs ==
In the sound episode, they asked a question to a boy with a red The Cheat shirt.
== Maya and Miguel ==
At the end of an episode, when they interview real people, a kid was seen wearing a Strong Bad shirt.
== Megas XLR ==
In an episode called "Breakout", Coop tried to use an attack called Double Deuce by jumping and putting two fists in front of him.

== Monster House ==
In an episode of ''Monster House'' called "[http://www.tvtome.com/MonsterHouse/season1.html#ep18 Sports House]," the host, Steve, is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt during the introductions. This episode first aired February 2, 2004.
In the Christmas House episode, a group of 'carolers' from across the neighborhood sings for the people living in the house. One girl is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt.

== New York Noise ==
The entire video for [[Experimental Film]] was shown.

== NFL Films: Game of the Week ==
About three quarters through this hour-long recap of the game, a Falcons' victory, one of the defensive linemen for Atlanta, Patrick Kerney, points to his family in the stands. One of them is holding up a sign that says "GOOD JORB!", an unmistakable reference to [[Coach Z]].

== Pulse ==
In early 2004, the show Pulse on G4TechTV featured an interview with the Brothers Chaps in which they were asked about the new game that they are developing for the Atari 2600. They showed many video clips of their Atari game. The Chaps talked about how they record their voices and how successful they have been. They announced that later in the year they planned to release a DVD with the first hundred emails. After the commercial break, the hosts interviewed the company that is developing the Homestar Runner game, Videlectrix, which was really just one of the Brothers Chaps wearing a fake moustache.

== [http://purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage] ==
In [http://www.purepwnage.com/episodes/10/ Episode 10], The opening scene is a parody of Homestar Runner, but with a Pure Pwnage twist. On the lower left hand corner of the screen, it says "Compy 386", the same name for the computer Strong Bad uses to answer his e-mails from Homestar Runner. Jeremy opens the show by answering emails exactly like Strong Bad, only replying with "u r a fag" instead of "DELETED!"

== The Replacements ==
In the episode with the giant blue robot, it plays the dangeresque theme song when it switched scenes at one part.

== Ripley's Believe it or Not! ==
In a segment talking about painted [[Wikipedia: Silicon Chip|silicon computer chips]], one of the examples shown has [[Strong Bad]] painted on it.

== The Screen Savers ==
*An episode of The Screen Savers on G4TechTV featured a guest who is making a [[Homestar Runner RPG]] for the Atari 2600, which is still in development.
*The [http://www.g4techtv.com/screensavers/episodes/3848/Home_Star_Runner_eXeem_LA_Auto_Show.html January 24th episode] of The Screen Savers had [[The Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005|an interview]] with [[The Brothers Chaps]]. In this episode, puppet Strong Bad made his debut to answer questions from fans. The article also mentions that in order to learn more than one ever thought possible about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]], one can head over to the Homestar Runner Wiki.

== Still Standing ==
On the fireplace mantle in the living room, there is what appears to be a homemade version of a Marzipan puppet. The only difference is that her dress is a lighter, more pink color, and the trim ribbons on it are purple. The Marzipan-doll is particularly noticeable in the Episode 6 ("Still Cheering," in which Brian joins the football team and then becomes a cheerleader), during the scene when Bill and Brian are rehearsing cheer routines.

== Survivor: Pearl Islands ==
When Ryan Shoulders picks up some tree mail (the show's system of getting messages to the castaways), he sings the opening to SB Email [[techno]], singing it as "the tree mail, the tree mail, what, what, the tree mail."

== Test the Nation ==
One of the persons on the Gamers team on the 2006 version of the New Zealand version of this quiz show is wearing a Strong Bad t-shirt.

== The Tonight Show with Jay Leno ==
Leno was showing examples of absurd eBay auctions and having the audience guess whether they sold or not. One of them was a laptop that had been shot with a shotgun. Its subject line said "LIKE USED! SLIGHTLY SHOTGUNNED!" like the tags on the similarly shotgunned Compy at the end of [[virus]]. It sold.

== WonderShowzen ==
In an episode of "Wondershowzen," a puppet named Chauncey, in one of many skits, informed the number Two that if she didn't stop talking, he would 'puke his pants,' as [[Coach Z]] threatened in [[secret recipes]]. Number Two proceeded to leave the screen.

== X-Play ==
*On an episode of G4TechTV's ''X-Play'', the wrestling game "WWE: Day of Reckoning" is reviewed. To demo the "create your own wrestler" mode, the reviewers create a wrestler that looks suspiciously like Strong Bad, and appears to be named "ESSBEE".
*On the August 27, 2006 episode of ''X-Play'' Adam Sessler references "[[anything|a neverending bottle of Mountain Dew]]".
*On the November 21st Episode of ''X-Play'', they reviewed Guitar Hero 2, and showcased the song "TROGDOR!", an actual unlockable track in the game.
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[[Category:Sightings]]

Television Sightings

2006-12-13T22:20:03Z

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{{sightingslanguagewarning}}

==Ace of Cakes==
During the Episode [http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_db/episode/0,3100,FOOD_26996_45308,00.html Hell Week], Mary is shown working at her computer with a [[Strong Bad]] [[Store Toys#Collectible Figurines|Figurine]] sitting on top of it.

== Adult Swim ==
At the end of a Sunday night bump on April 30th, 2006, Adult Swim asked viewers to check out "our podcast, or go see Homestar Runner [which kicks our ass]".

== Angel ==
[[Image:thegirlinquestion161.jpg|thumb|Look closely at his shirt]]
*In a season five episode of ''Angel'' entitled ''The Girl in Question'', Spike and Angel visited Buffy's apartment and instead found Andrew, who was wearing a black Strong Bad t-shirt. Later in the episode, Andrew wore the same Strong Bad shirt with a pore strip plastered on his nose.
*Incidentally, Andrew is the very same character who appeared in the Trogdor-laden ''Buffy'' reference. Since both shows are the brainchildren of creator/writer/executive director Joss Whedon, we can probably assume that the creator of Buffy is also a fan of Homestar Runner.

== Attack of the Show! ==
*On the May 24, 2005 episode of G4's ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira, a host, mentions [[Peasant's Quest]].
*On the July 6, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' guest host Tom Fulp, creator of Newgrounds.com, was wearing a [[Homsar]] shirt.
*On the July 12, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a dragon tattoo saying that "It's almost Trogdor."
*On the July 20, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira mentioned that "the robots cannot beat the Trogdor."
*On the June 12, 2006 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a show saying the character got "Burninated by the great Trogdor"

== Buffy the Vampire Slayer ==
[[Image:chosen164.jpg|thumb|Trogdor vs. Scoobies]]
In the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Ep. 722) Trogdor was used as a creature in a game of Dungeons & Dragons.

=== Transcript ===
:'''GILES:''' I'm — I'm — I'm all turned around. You're here?

:'''XANDER:''' By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.

:'''GILES:''' That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter. Right! I open the door.

:''{Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.}''

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{reading from a book}'' You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.

:'''GILES:''' Oh, bugger it. Fight. ''{rolls dice, sips wine}''

:'''ANDREW:''' Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.

:'''GILES:''' Well, wait a minute. What about my... ''{puts on glasses}'' bag of illusions?

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{scoffs}'' Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly British man. ''{Giles sips his wine again.}''

:'''AMANDA:''' I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{looks at Amanda}'' Step down, girlfriend, you can't just —

:'''AMANDA:''' Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it.

== Cheat! ==
On one episode of Cheat! on G4TechTV, they mentioned that if you use the random name generator enough times in the Xbox/PC game "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic," Homsar's name will be generated.

== CNN Student News ==
On the December 15, 2004 edition of [http://www.cnn.com/EDUCATION CNN Student News], a short news magazine on CNN Headline news, they had a clip of a soldier in Iraq receiving a Kick The Cheat toy for Christmas.

== Codename: Kids Next Door ==
In the episode Operation: TRAINING, Numbuh 60 says "To the moooooooon!" exactly like drunk Strong Bad, before flying to the moon.

== d'FUSED ==
On the March 12th episode of ''d'FUSED'', a segment on Red Vs. Blue showed the cast of Homestar Runner in their real-world, plastic figurine state atop the preview monitor for a Red Vs. Blue episode.

== Filter ==
This tech review show asks viewers to send in their favorite websites, but there were three websites that they did not want people submitting anymore. Homestar Runner.com was ranked #3 with 166 submissions, Red vs. Blue was #2, and Runescape was #1.

== Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends ==
[[Image:Bloostar.PNG|thumb|100px|This speaks for itself.]]
*During the episode "Bloo's Brothers" a Bloo clone that looks freakishly similar to Homestar appears very briefly. This version reappears in a mini-game in "Big Fat Awesome House Party".
*The ending of the episode "A Sight For Sore Eyes" is very similar to [[Old Intro 2]].
*In "Duchess of Wails," there's an orange imaginary friend that looks suspiciously like [[Trogdor]].
*In "Infernal Slumber," both Bloo and Goo talk about killer Possums and they drag the word out much like in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] (Goo says it exactly like Strong Bad).

== G4tv.com ==
*On [http://www.g4tv.com/g4tv/episodes/3888/Men_are_from_World_of_Warcraft_Woman_are_From_The_Sims.html this episode] of G4tv.com on G4, an unnamed person, playing the role of Laura Foy's date, was seen wearing a "[[Trogdor (character)|Trogdor]]" shirt. The video clip, entitled Gamer Dating Do's And Don'ts is now available for viewing at [http://www.g4tv.com/mediaplayer/index.aspx?video_key=9033 this location.]
*In a commercial for [http://www.g4tv.com/cinematech Cinematech], the title of [[Peasant's Quest]] is seen very briefly.

== The Geek Show ==
On ''[http://www.thegeekshow.com/ The Geek Show]'', Strong Bad Emails are frequently shown as an example of "What's funny on the internet." They have played "[[japanese cartoon]]", "[[dullard]]", "[[theme party]]" and "[[Strong Bad Sings]]" on their show.

==Global News ==
On one report on the show, the reporters were interviewing a girl wearing a Strong Sad T-Shirt.

== Junkin' ==
On the television show ''[http://www.turnersouth.com/network/shows/junkin/ Junkin']'', the host "Dave" has appeared wearing Trogdor and Strong Bad T-shirts.

== Late Show with David Letterman ==
On the [[Wikipedia: The Late Show with David Letterman|Late Show with David Letterman]], in one of their specials, they had "phil'd" on one of the answers.

== Live at Five ==
On January 31 2006, on Live at Five (Atlantic Canadian 5 o'clock news), there was a segment about chronic pain caused by computer usage that featured a group of kids watching [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]] on the computer.

== Mad Labs ==
In the sound episode, they asked a question to a boy with a red The Cheat shirt.
== Maya and Miguel ==
At the end of an episode, when they interview real people, a kid was seen wearing a Strong Bad shirt.
== Megas XLR ==
In an episode called "Breakout", Coop tried to use an attack called Double Deuce by jumping and putting two fists in front of him.

== Monster House ==
In an episode of ''Monster House'' called "[http://www.tvtome.com/MonsterHouse/season1.html#ep18 Sports House]," the host, Steve, is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt during the introductions. This episode first aired February 2, 2004.
In the Christmas House episode, a group of 'carolers' from across the neighborhood sings for the people living in the house. One girl is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt.

== New York Noise ==
The entire video for [[Experimental Film]] was shown.

== NFL Films: Game of the Week ==
About three quarters through this hour-long recap of the game, a Falcons' victory, one of the defensive linemen for Atlanta, Patrick Kerney, points to his family in the stands. One of them is holding up a sign that says "GOOD JORB!", an unmistakable reference to [[Coach Z]].

== Pulse ==
In early 2004, the show Pulse on G4TechTV featured an interview with the Brothers Chaps in which they were asked about the new game that they are developing for the Atari 2600. They showed many video clips of their Atari game. The Chaps talked about how they record their voices and how successful they have been. They announced that later in the year they planned to release a DVD with the first hundred emails. After the commercial break, the hosts interviewed the company that is developing the Homestar Runner game, Videlectrix, which was really just one of the Brothers Chaps wearing a fake moustache.

== [http://purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage] ==
In [http://www.purepwnage.com/episodes/10/ Episode 10], The opening scene is a parody of Homestar Runner, but with a Pure Pwnage twist. On the lower left hand corner of the screen, it says "Compy 386", the same name for the computer Strong Bad uses to answer his e-mails from Homestar Runner.

== The Replacements ==
In the episode with the giant blue robot, it plays the dangeresque theme song when it switched scenes at one part.

== Ripley's Believe it or Not! ==
In a segment talking about painted [[Wikipedia: Silicon Chip|silicon computer chips]], one of the examples shown has [[Strong Bad]] painted on it.

== The Screen Savers ==
*An episode of The Screen Savers on G4TechTV featured a guest who is making a [[Homestar Runner RPG]] for the Atari 2600, which is still in development.
*The [http://www.g4techtv.com/screensavers/episodes/3848/Home_Star_Runner_eXeem_LA_Auto_Show.html January 24th episode] of The Screen Savers had [[The Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005|an interview]] with [[The Brothers Chaps]]. In this episode, puppet Strong Bad made his debut to answer questions from fans. The article also mentions that in order to learn more than one ever thought possible about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]], one can head over to the Homestar Runner Wiki.

== Still Standing ==
On the fireplace mantle in the living room, there is what appears to be a homemade version of a Marzipan puppet. The only difference is that her dress is a lighter, more pink color, and the trim ribbons on it are purple. The Marzipan-doll is particularly noticeable in the Episode 6 ("Still Cheering," in which Brian joins the football team and then becomes a cheerleader), during the scene when Bill and Brian are rehearsing cheer routines.

== Survivor: Pearl Islands ==
When Ryan Shoulders picks up some tree mail (the show's system of getting messages to the castaways), he sings the opening to SB Email [[techno]], singing it as "the tree mail, the tree mail, what, what, the tree mail."

== Test the Nation ==
One of the persons on the Gamers team on the 2006 version of the New Zealand version of this quiz show is wearing a Strong Bad t-shirt.

== The Tonight Show with Jay Leno ==
Leno was showing examples of absurd eBay auctions and having the audience guess whether they sold or not. One of them was a laptop that had been shot with a shotgun. Its subject line said "LIKE USED! SLIGHTLY SHOTGUNNED!" like the tags on the similarly shotgunned Compy at the end of [[virus]]. It sold.

== WonderShowzen ==
In an episode of "Wondershowzen," a puppet named Chauncey, in one of many skits, informed the number Two that if she didn't stop talking, he would 'puke his pants,' as [[Coach Z]] threatened in [[secret recipes]]. Number Two proceeded to leave the screen.

== X-Play ==
*On an episode of G4TechTV's ''X-Play'', the wrestling game "WWE: Day of Reckoning" is reviewed. To demo the "create your own wrestler" mode, the reviewers create a wrestler that looks suspiciously like Strong Bad, and appears to be named "ESSBEE".
*On the August 27, 2006 episode of ''X-Play'' Adam Sessler references "[[anything|a neverending bottle of Mountain Dew]]".
*On the November 21st Episode of ''X-Play'', they reviewed Guitar Hero 2, and showcased the song "TROGDOR!", an actual unlockable track in the game.
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[[Category:Sightings]]

Television Sightings

2006-12-13T22:19:14Z

Nerd42: PURE PWNAGE

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==Ace of Cakes==
During the Episode [http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_db/episode/0,3100,FOOD_26996_45308,00.html Hell Week], Mary is shown working at her computer with a [[Strong Bad]] [[Store Toys#Collectible Figurines|Figurine]] sitting on top of it.

== Adult Swim ==
At the end of a Sunday night bump on April 30th, 2006, Adult Swim asked viewers to check out "our podcast, or go see Homestar Runner [which kicks our ass]".

== Angel ==
[[Image:thegirlinquestion161.jpg|thumb|Look closely at his shirt]]
*In a season five episode of ''Angel'' entitled ''The Girl in Question'', Spike and Angel visited Buffy's apartment and instead found Andrew, who was wearing a black Strong Bad t-shirt. Later in the episode, Andrew wore the same Strong Bad shirt with a pore strip plastered on his nose.
*Incidentally, Andrew is the very same character who appeared in the Trogdor-laden ''Buffy'' reference. Since both shows are the brainchildren of creator/writer/executive director Joss Whedon, we can probably assume that the creator of Buffy is also a fan of Homestar Runner.

== Attack of the Show! ==
*On the May 24, 2005 episode of G4's ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira, a host, mentions [[Peasant's Quest]].
*On the July 6, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' guest host Tom Fulp, creator of Newgrounds.com, was wearing a [[Homsar]] shirt.
*On the July 12, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a dragon tattoo saying that "It's almost Trogdor."
*On the July 20, 2005 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira mentioned that "the robots cannot beat the Trogdor."
*On the June 12, 2006 episode of ''Attack of the Show!'' Kevin Pereira commented on a show saying the character got "Burninated by the great Trogdor"

== Buffy the Vampire Slayer ==
[[Image:chosen164.jpg|thumb|Trogdor vs. Scoobies]]
In the series finale of Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Ep. 722) Trogdor was used as a creature in a game of Dungeons & Dragons.

=== Transcript ===
:'''GILES:''' I'm — I'm — I'm all turned around. You're here?

:'''XANDER:''' By the pillar, yeah. I'm protecting this area.

:'''GILES:''' That puts me over by the door. Demons around the perimeter. Right! I open the door.

:''{Pan over to show Andrew is also at the table, but he's wearing a red hooded cloak.}''

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{reading from a book}'' You go through the door and are confronted by Trogdor the Burninator.

:'''GILES:''' Oh, bugger it. Fight. ''{rolls dice, sips wine}''

:'''ANDREW:''' Adios to 5 hit points. Trogdor has badly wounded you.

:'''GILES:''' Well, wait a minute. What about my... ''{puts on glasses}'' bag of illusions?

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{scoffs}'' Illusions against a Burninator? Silly, silly British man. ''{Giles sips his wine again.}''

:'''AMANDA:''' I invoke a time flux on Trogdor.

:'''ANDREW:''' ''{looks at Amanda}'' Step down, girlfriend, you can't just —

:'''AMANDA:''' Ninth level sorcerer, and I carry the emerald chalice. Trogdor is frozen in time. Deal with it.

== Cheat! ==
On one episode of Cheat! on G4TechTV, they mentioned that if you use the random name generator enough times in the Xbox/PC game "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic," Homsar's name will be generated.

== CNN Student News ==
On the December 15, 2004 edition of [http://www.cnn.com/EDUCATION CNN Student News], a short news magazine on CNN Headline news, they had a clip of a soldier in Iraq receiving a Kick The Cheat toy for Christmas.

== Codename: Kids Next Door ==
In the episode Operation: TRAINING, Numbuh 60 says "To the moooooooon!" exactly like drunk Strong Bad, before flying to the moon.

== d'FUSED ==
On the March 12th episode of ''d'FUSED'', a segment on Red Vs. Blue showed the cast of Homestar Runner in their real-world, plastic figurine state atop the preview monitor for a Red Vs. Blue episode.

== Filter ==
This tech review show asks viewers to send in their favorite websites, but there were three websites that they did not want people submitting anymore. Homestar Runner.com was ranked #3 with 166 submissions, Red vs. Blue was #2, and Runescape was #1.

== Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends ==
[[Image:Bloostar.PNG|thumb|100px|This speaks for itself.]]
*During the episode "Bloo's Brothers" a Bloo clone that looks freakishly similar to Homestar appears very briefly. This version reappears in a mini-game in "Big Fat Awesome House Party".
*The ending of the episode "A Sight For Sore Eyes" is very similar to [[Old Intro 2]].
*In "Duchess of Wails," there's an orange imaginary friend that looks suspiciously like [[Trogdor]].
*In "Infernal Slumber," both Bloo and Goo talk about killer Possums and they drag the word out much like in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] (Goo says it exactly like Strong Bad).

== G4tv.com ==
*On [http://www.g4tv.com/g4tv/episodes/3888/Men_are_from_World_of_Warcraft_Woman_are_From_The_Sims.html this episode] of G4tv.com on G4, an unnamed person, playing the role of Laura Foy's date, was seen wearing a "[[Trogdor (character)|Trogdor]]" shirt. The video clip, entitled Gamer Dating Do's And Don'ts is now available for viewing at [http://www.g4tv.com/mediaplayer/index.aspx?video_key=9033 this location.]
*In a commercial for [http://www.g4tv.com/cinematech Cinematech], the title of [[Peasant's Quest]] is seen very briefly.

== The Geek Show ==
On ''[http://www.thegeekshow.com/ The Geek Show]'', Strong Bad Emails are frequently shown as an example of "What's funny on the internet." They have played "[[japanese cartoon]]", "[[dullard]]", "[[theme party]]" and "[[Strong Bad Sings]]" on their show.

==Global News ==
On one report on the show, the reporters were interviewing a girl wearing a Strong Sad T-Shirt.

== Junkin' ==
On the television show ''[http://www.turnersouth.com/network/shows/junkin/ Junkin']'', the host "Dave" has appeared wearing Trogdor and Strong Bad T-shirts.

== Late Show with David Letterman ==
On the [[Wikipedia: The Late Show with David Letterman|Late Show with David Letterman]], in one of their specials, they had "phil'd" on one of the answers.

== Live at Five ==
On January 31 2006, on Live at Five (Atlantic Canadian 5 o'clock news), there was a segment about chronic pain caused by computer usage that featured a group of kids watching [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]] on the computer.

== Mad Labs ==
In the sound episode, they asked a question to a boy with a red The Cheat shirt.
== Maya and Miguel ==
At the end of an episode, when they interview real people, a kid was seen wearing a Strong Bad shirt.
== Megas XLR ==
In an episode called "Breakout", Coop tried to use an attack called Double Deuce by jumping and putting two fists in front of him.

== Monster House ==
In an episode of ''Monster House'' called "[http://www.tvtome.com/MonsterHouse/season1.html#ep18 Sports House]," the host, Steve, is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt during the introductions. This episode first aired February 2, 2004.
In the Christmas House episode, a group of 'carolers' from across the neighborhood sings for the people living in the house. One girl is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt.

== New York Noise ==
The entire video for [[Experimental Film]] was shown.

== NFL Films: Game of the Week ==
About three quarters through this hour-long recap of the game, a Falcons' victory, one of the defensive linemen for Atlanta, Patrick Kerney, points to his family in the stands. One of them is holding up a sign that says "GOOD JORB!", an unmistakable reference to [[Coach Z]].

== Pulse ==
In early 2004, the show Pulse on G4TechTV featured an interview with the Brothers Chaps in which they were asked about the new game that they are developing for the Atari 2600. They showed many video clips of their Atari game. The Chaps talked about how they record their voices and how successful they have been. They announced that later in the year they planned to release a DVD with the first hundred emails. After the commercial break, the hosts interviewed the company that is developing the Homestar Runner game, Videlectrix, which was really just one of the Brothers Chaps wearing a fake moustache.

== [http://purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage] ==
*In [http://www.purepwnage.com/episodes/10/ Episode 10], The opening scene is a parody of Homestar Runner, but with a Pure Pwnage twist. On the lower left hand corner of the screen, it says "Compy 386", the same name for the computer Strong Bad uses to answer his e-mails from Homestar Runner.

== The Replacements ==
In the episode with the giant blue robot, it plays the dangeresque theme song when it switched scenes at one part.

== Ripley's Believe it or Not! ==
In a segment talking about painted [[Wikipedia: Silicon Chip|silicon computer chips]], one of the examples shown has [[Strong Bad]] painted on it.

== The Screen Savers ==
*An episode of The Screen Savers on G4TechTV featured a guest who is making a [[Homestar Runner RPG]] for the Atari 2600, which is still in development.
*The [http://www.g4techtv.com/screensavers/episodes/3848/Home_Star_Runner_eXeem_LA_Auto_Show.html January 24th episode] of The Screen Savers had [[The Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005|an interview]] with [[The Brothers Chaps]]. In this episode, puppet Strong Bad made his debut to answer questions from fans. The article also mentions that in order to learn more than one ever thought possible about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]], one can head over to the Homestar Runner Wiki.

== Still Standing ==
On the fireplace mantle in the living room, there is what appears to be a homemade version of a Marzipan puppet. The only difference is that her dress is a lighter, more pink color, and the trim ribbons on it are purple. The Marzipan-doll is particularly noticeable in the Episode 6 ("Still Cheering," in which Brian joins the football team and then becomes a cheerleader), during the scene when Bill and Brian are rehearsing cheer routines.

== Survivor: Pearl Islands ==
When Ryan Shoulders picks up some tree mail (the show's system of getting messages to the castaways), he sings the opening to SB Email [[techno]], singing it as "the tree mail, the tree mail, what, what, the tree mail."

== Test the Nation ==
One of the persons on the Gamers team on the 2006 version of the New Zealand version of this quiz show is wearing a Strong Bad t-shirt.

== The Tonight Show with Jay Leno ==
Leno was showing examples of absurd eBay auctions and having the audience guess whether they sold or not. One of them was a laptop that had been shot with a shotgun. Its subject line said "LIKE USED! SLIGHTLY SHOTGUNNED!" like the tags on the similarly shotgunned Compy at the end of [[virus]]. It sold.

== WonderShowzen ==
In an episode of "Wondershowzen," a puppet named Chauncey, in one of many skits, informed the number Two that if she didn't stop talking, he would 'puke his pants,' as [[Coach Z]] threatened in [[secret recipes]]. Number Two proceeded to leave the screen.

== X-Play ==
*On an episode of G4TechTV's ''X-Play'', the wrestling game "WWE: Day of Reckoning" is reviewed. To demo the "create your own wrestler" mode, the reviewers create a wrestler that looks suspiciously like Strong Bad, and appears to be named "ESSBEE".
*On the August 27, 2006 episode of ''X-Play'' Adam Sessler references "[[anything|a neverending bottle of Mountain Dew]]".
*On the November 21st Episode of ''X-Play'', they reviewed Guitar Hero 2, and showcased the song "TROGDOR!", an actual unlockable track in the game.
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[[Category:Sightings]]

Talk:Main Page

2006-12-11T20:28:08Z

Nerd42: /**/LOL

{{Main Page Talk}}

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== Suggestion ==

In the "Preferences" page, the user is prompted to offer their "Nickname". I know of at least one example where a user has thought this meant "put whatever you like here". But of course we expect that what's put in "Nickname" will be the same as or very close to the user's username. Any chance we can reword that so new users will know how to create [[HRWiki:Signature|policy-compliant]] signatures? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know, I've never minded users going by a name other than their username as long as they're consistent about it and the "nickname" isn't taken. However, that doesn't mean I necessarily encourage doing that, because it can get confusing at times — especially for us RecentChanges junkies. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::Well, we have asked people to change their nicks before, because they were either offensive or something like MattChapman. I think it's a good idea to give a few hints as to what's acceptable and encouraged.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
:I remember back when I joined, I thought that "Nickname" was simply for "What shall we address you by other than your user name?". Perhaps the code can be altered to say "[[Help:Signature|Signature]]" or something of the like. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::At 'Kipedia it ''does'' already say "Signature" rather than nickname, and this seems to be a lot more logical to me. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I would also prefer it to say "Signature". When I was young it caused me to experience confusion when typing four tildes created "Salty" rather than "Lappy 486" (my old username). I thought it just added it to some type of profile users have like on a forum. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== Template help! ==

I am trying to make two templates for my site [psupedia.org] (looks like a combination of the H*R Wiki and the English Wiki) but I can't get them to stand side-by-side. Whenever I try to do them, they merge together in a big ugly mess. Can someone please help me out that ? : )

<nowiki>{|style="border-spacing:2px;margin:2px 2px"
|style="width:0%;border:2px solid #ACE1AF;background-color:#f5fffa;vertical-align:top;color:#000"|
{|width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5fffa"
! [[Image:News headliner.PNG]]
|-
! <h2 style="margin:0;background:#50C878;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ACE1AF;
text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.1em 0.2em;">PSU
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|style="color:#000"|'''Remember: ''[[News|All registered users can edit the news]]!'''''
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|-
! <h3 style="margin:0;background:#50C878;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ACE1AF;
text-align:left;color:#fff;padding:0.1em 0.2em;">PSUPedia
|-
|style="color:#000"|The PSUP
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{|style="border-spacing:2px;margin:2px 2px"
|style="width:0%;border:2px solid #ADD8E6;background-color:#f5faff;vertical-align:top;color:#000"|
{|width="80%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top;background-color:#f5faff"
! [[Image:Featured Articles headliner.PNG]]
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! <h2 style="margin:0;background:#4169E1;font-size:120%;font-weight:bold;border:1px solid #ADD8E6;
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If you would like to, you can post it in [http://psupedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:SAsim my talk page] or this IP's one if you are willing to help, it might be easier on my site because the images I have in the code are enabled and I don't think this site would like having that. I expect you guys are very good with coding and you could finish it up soon, because my neck is probably on the line with the site admin there! hehe. [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 17:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:Upon first glance, it appears you've forgotten to close all four of your "tables", and that they are all nested within each other, creating a big mess. I'd recommend checking out [[Help:Table]] for information on how to use tables properly. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks Lapper, wish I asked sooner. :P Also sorry if I ruined the page a little, my other edit make the width larger than it should be. [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 17:34, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

::It's fine, I've broken it down so that it doesn't overflow. And you're very welcome. Good luck. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

:::Ugh, I tried it again using the help guide and your advice but it's still merging. I closed the tables and I tried variations to replace the '!'s with '|'s and '|+'. I tried a lot of variations and it still isn't changing. :( [[User:68.194.9.27|68.194.9.27]] 18:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

::::[[User:Lapper#User Quotes|Drop me a line]] around 21:00 utc. We'll work it out together. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==Halloween skin cont'd==
''Note: continued from [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 15#Halloween skin]]''

Well, given that [[coloring]] is not a pre-Halloween toon, changing the skin is a little less urgent. We don't have to put the skin up for a couple more days, unless you guys + Dot com are ready to go. And from what's written on the wiki, some things are not entirely agreed upon yet. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm agreed on whatever you want to do. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Punkin stencil rotation in the upper right corner? Official site link logo change to uncarved pumpakin? We will use [[:Image:Wikiween.png]] (sorry you didn't see that, FireBird). The orange and gray main page tables look awesome. Do we have our spooky forest silhouette? Is Dot com ready to go when we are ready (I think I know the answer)? Is All On? Hafta go bafroom? =3? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, they just released a [[Malloween Commercial|Malloween]] Podstar, so I guess they're all up in the Halloween season. Why aren't we? D= --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Canada $$ ==

Could someone please send TBC an email about quotes in CAD not USD. I would but my email is down rright now so thanks
:Why the urgency? Oh, for the Canadian Decemberween sale? You can [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=1+USD+%3D+%3F+CAD&btnG=Search use] Google or another website to convert USD to CAD. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

==subtitles==
The [[HRwiki:Subtitles|subtitles]] project has become very big, and I think that it deserves it's own link on the main page, as it's actually pretty hard to find otherwise. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:It's currently linked from [[HRWiki:The Stick]], and there are links to the subtitles scripts on every toon article (on the left hand side, under the "external links" box). But most people will probably not have noticed this. I don't know how it would fit on the main page, though.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::I was thinking under Miscellany...- {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::The main page is generally for Homestar-only content. The Stick is for Wiki and community created content. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I'd really like to have some kind of "Did you know?" message available to the public informing them of the use of subtitles, once the project is mostly complete & well checked. Otherwise, not many people are going to notice or benefit from your hard work. This is definitely worth main page inclusion, but it should be noted in a novel yet appropriate way. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I just read this and I think that's a ''Great'' idea BazookaJoe. A "did you know?" could help inform people about wiki-related things that might otherwise go un-noticed for quite sometime... things some people might never know of who don't use the wiki often.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

== Matt's Birthday coming up ==

What are we planning on doing for Matt's birthday (11/1). It's a week or so away and I think it would be neat if we did something so that we all can be involved. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 09:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:That would be cool — I can't think of anything; any ideas? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 10:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::I was thinking about making up a huge card and have everyone submit a message by jpg or png to a central person such as JoeyDay, Tom, or It's dot com. Then have that person compile all the meassages and take it to a Kinkos and have them print it on a large poster board and then mail it to them. I would be glad to contribute via paypal to the cost of printing and mailing this card and I think others would too. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::The forum guys [[Forum:5751|did that last year]]... they just emailed it to him, I think. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:23, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I never got to sign that card. It sounded like a good idea, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Email is okay, but I think it would neat to snail mail a card this year. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:54, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Well, we'd better hurry, then, whatever it is. :( —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Matt's card.png|thumb|Idea]]
:::::::I was thinking about something like this →
:::::::I think whoever lives the closest to GA should be the one to mail to allow for the shortest postal delivery time (although I can do it if no one else...I live in VA) {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
That sounds good if you are willing to get it fancy printed and a-spensive mailed. Or someone else can still volunteer. I think, as a suggestion, people should include their location, parts of real name, nickname, and an optional note, like this: 
::''(Note)''
:''Cort "BazookaJoe" S.''
::''Michigan''
—[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:This does sound like something that would be better suited to be discussed on Forum though... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Phlip. This really isn't something that has to do with collecting and organizing information about Homestar Runner, it's more of a community activity type thing. Someone want to start a thread there and post the link here? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:39, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Except that this would be something that would come from the wiki community, not the forum community. If it was on the forum regular wiki users such as myself would not see it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Phlip, Tom, I don't agree with you. The forum and wiki communities are different. I'm not part of the forum as well as some forumers not part of the wiki. I would love to sign a message from the '''wiki''' people, as I missed the one from last year. I R F: You have my full support. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:12, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I'm agreeing with E.L. Cool, here; I don't have an account on the forum, and besides, this is an HRWiki proposal, not an HRWikiForum one. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Agree. This is a wiki birthday card. The forumers did their own card last year. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

In order to reduce recent changes flooding, it would probably be a good idea for all those who wish to send Matt a happy birthday to e-mail the designated card-maker. The card maker will update the image with well-wishes and signatures once he or she receives a good amount of e-mails. In order not to leave some semi-active wiki users in the dust, I suggest we post a advisory on [[Template:recentchangesnotice]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:32, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'd be willing to volunteer to make the graphic, but if we do choose to go snail-mail I'm not certainly sending it from here... it's probably too late to send it by snail mail anyway if we want it to arrive in time... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 20:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::I'd be willing to print it out and mail it. If we print it out and have it priority mailed by Saturday (10/28) morning, that should be enough time, right? Also, I do live in Illinois, so it may be better if someone closer does it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::If it gets dropped into First Class mail a couple of states away on early Monday morning, it could possibly make it to Decatur by Nov 1 if we are lucky. Otherwise it would be Nov 2. Or, somebody from any state could shed a few extra dollars, send it through Priority Mail, and have it make it by Nov 1 for sure. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::With Priority Mail, I think we should send it out on Saturday at the latest. With Express Mail, we could get away with Monday (although that's very expensive). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Edit conflicted: Oh wait, they would have to Priority it on Saturday in order to be 100% sure that it will make it by Wednesday. I think it's pretty likely to make it by Wednesday if someone in a nearby state sends it Priority early Monday morning. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::That's true (for some reason I was thinking that Nov. 1 was on Tuesday). And mailing it on Monday will give more time for us to gather enough signatures to fill up the page. Well, Virginia's pretty close to Georgia — what do you think Invisible Robot Fish? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure, if no one else is closer I can send it on monday. I will go to the store tomorrow and check out shipping and display options. I have both a paypal account and a UPS account so I could send it out from work on Monday easy. The more I was thinking about this, the more low-tech I am thinking. I was think about buying some poster board, perhaps making it look like the one from [[caffeine]] and print out all of your sigs and glue them on the board. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
We should start spreading the word and collecting signatures soon. There are only so many days left. I suggest we use BazookaJoe's template for the signatures. IRF, as the card maker, you would be the best person to collect the sigs. Would you prefer to get them by email or on your talk page? Are you planning to print them out in colour or black and white? Should we have a rough guideline about the size of the signatures? (oh, still so many questions){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:Color is fine. If you just want to sign via text, use my [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish|talk page]]. If you have a graphic or image for your sig, post your link on my talk page but please adhear to the [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image use policiy]]. Size doesn't matter because I will size them to all fit. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I'd Like to sign it--[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

This is a little embarassing to admit so late, but I don't know Matt's mailing address ** blushes **. I think JoeyDay knows it (since he got a letter from them), but I don't see him on that often. Is this info available anywhere? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:I'm sending you an email. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
::Please re-send it. I just updated my email address in preferences because I can't check my personal email account at work. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Re-sent'd. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== Little thing that's bugging me: ==

Can someone remove the " (English)" from the [[Wikipedia:OpenSearch|OpenSearch]] description of the search engine? I understand why it would be useful at a multi-lingual Wiki like Wikipedia, but it seems a bit unnecessary for this site... --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 22:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

== Whoa skin ==

This skin is awexome and all, who made it? But it's hurting my eyes SO MUCH! Could we also possibly have a Decemberween skin too? --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 10:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

:Pretty cool, huh? The discussion and people involved can be found [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 15#Halloween skin|here]] and [[Talk:Main Page#Halloween skin cont.27d|here]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 10:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

::How about a D'ween logo a little like this:[[:Image:Dween wiki.PNG]] {{unsigned|Marvelrulez|14:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)}}

:::That's a nifty idea, but let's just enjoy H'ween today. We can worry about D'ween when we get closer to it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Not to off-topic, but I ''love'' Strong Bad as the Chiquita Banana lady... http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::For the last time, he's Carmen freakin' Miranda! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Shouldn't we take it down now?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 23:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I think the agreed time to deactivate it was the 3rd. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::Oh. I'm dumb.--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 20:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
We should totally make the Halloween thing a skin in the preferences. --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 00:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Or feel free to steal it from my Monobook. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

==Update 10/27==

There is a new DVD out. It's called "Everything Else: Volume 2". [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 20:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Inside References? ==

This may sound like a stupid question, but what are inside references? Is it a list of fourth wall breaks?

[[User:Cheddar Cheesia|Cheddar Cheesia]] 21:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

:An Inside Reference is when a toon makes a clear reference to a previous Homestar Runner cartoon. See [[HRWiki:Standards#Inside References]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

::In contrast, a [[Fourth Wall Breaks|fourth wall break]] can be summarized to mean when a character acknowledges that they are not real but just a character. They are not merely interacting with each other; they know that they are being watched by us. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up!

[[User:Cheddar Cheesia|Cheddar Cheesia]] 19:19, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== HRWiki ==

I have not been here in a while, what happened to the old main page? The one from about one and a half years ago. [[User:65.6.55.61|65.6.55.61]] 03:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Well, the Main Page has been redesigned twice in the past year and a half. You can sort through the history to find the changes, I suppose. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Hi, nice to have you back! We have quite a life story at [[HRWiki:A History]]. I think the main page redesign(s) are in there somewhere... —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:By the way, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=86323 this] is about what the main page looked like a year and a half ago, before the redesign to approximately what we have now. The Homestar and Strong Bad backgrounds are different than they were. They used to look like [[:Image:Main Page Spring 2006.png|this]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Stupid Coincidence Magazine ==

I for one think that TBC looks on goof and glitch section after each toon is released. I have been noticing each week that not long after we post a mis-spelling, it is promptly corrected. I wonder if it would be possible to check the IP addresses that access the site from the time of the of goof, to the time of the correction on the homestarrunner site and find an IP address that comes from Atlanta, GA. That might help confirm that the TBC use or humble site weekly rather than just once in awhile like they mentioned in various interviews and commentary. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:26, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:According to our [[HRWiki:Privacy_policy#Policy_on_release_of_data_derived_from_page_logs|Privacy policy]] we aren't allowed to extract an IP, unless it's for one of the reasons stated in the policy. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::Such a search would not be practical and would probably yield ambiguous results. You've gotta take into account the sheer amount of traffic our site has. Between the time that those goofs were [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=4_branches&diff=384623&oldid=384621 first reported] and when they were [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=4_branches&diff=384841&oldid=384833 confirmed fixed], there were 219,134 server hits. Of those, about 7,380 more or less directly related to the [[4 branches]] page, and comprised 2,338 unique IPs—more than I'd want to search through, especially because there would surely be false positives from Atlanta-area fans. That's not to say I don't think TBC regularly use us as a resource. I'm pretty sure they do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::: Their comments about the Visor Robot on the last DVD should say as much. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:::Too bad, 'cause if we could have determined their IP address, we'd have been one step closer to harnessing the unbridled energy of their brain waves — Muahahaha. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Also, here's specific confirmation that they have (at least in the past) found out goofs from the wiki: [[animal#Goofs]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::You don't have to search IP addresses to confirm they use this site. We found evidence that one of the ways they add images to toons is most likely a Google image search, the same thing I'd use. Use your common sense. If YOU were making Homestar toons, wouldn't you go to the online encyclopedia that will have all mistakes pointed out to you after the fact with-in a few hours? Of course you would. Then you'd go fix 'em up and everything is fine. We save them the time of proofreading their toons over too much. We help them catch minor flaws in the toons. Probably, they use it more than before... which is why a lot of older toons mistakes stay uh... mistook.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I'd just love to know when and how they found us. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::::It's quite possibly they have a site tracker that can tell them where the majority of traffic to their site comes from. And a lot probably comes from here.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::But that wasn't the point of what IRF and Dorian said. Yes, TBC ''probably'' use our site every week, and yes they ''probably'' found us by looking at incoming links, but that's not the same as verifying it using an IP address, or knowing the exact details of when they first discovered us. Remember the "holy crap, look at this!" feeling you got when you first found HRWiki? I for one want to know the whens, wheres, hows, and whys of when TBC first saw us. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The 2000+ list would go down if you cross-referenced them against other toons and when the errors were corrected, but after thinking about it, I agree that there would be too many false positives. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

==[[HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_2#New_logo|noclip's logo.]]==

I like it. Can we add it to the logo page? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 23:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:I suppose so. Welcome back by the way. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

::I'm not back but, hey! Someone noticed! :D {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 03:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

==Update==
There's an update for a Videlectrix T-Shirt. --[[User:205.206.196.178|205.206.196.178]] 01:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads-up. Funny thing, you posted this the same minute that I updated the Main Page. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

== I need some help ==

I'll be leaving on a holiday soon, and i need to have a message on the top of my page saying that, like a tab, You know what i mean right?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 06:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

:Have you considered ==Header 2==? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

==featured article==

Why's it say "the 4Tst (pronounced "firty-tirst")"? That's clearly fourty-tirst - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 10:09, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Because that's how TBC spelled it and how Matt pronounced it. Watch the toon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::Check the commentary and you get some ambiguity. My solution, I've linked 4Tst to the [[Tooty-two]] page where I put the pronunciation note. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I misread firty as fifty. I'd probably still write it with the "ou" or possibly an "e". - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 14:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I've always spelled it "firty-tirst", "ferty-tirst", and "ferty-terst", interchangably. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Again, I fall back to my "we document TBC's artistic output before their analysis of their own artistic output" credo. Matt's using a different pronunciation in the commentary, while notable, carries less weight than how it was actually pronounced in the toon. The FA summary therefore correctly uses "firty". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I was going to make an edit similar to yours, Qermaq, on Tooty-two. But I can see you already did. And with a snake on your head. That sounds re-son-able. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

==Did you know?==
Wikipedia has this kinda thing, and we should too! Only not with new articles. Just random tidbits of information for visitors. (Like "Did you know that [[Pom Pom]] was the first character TBC [[First Flash|animated in Flash]]?") And it could be a weekly thing, like Featured Article. I have no idea where we would put it, though. Does this sound like a good idea? --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think the idea has merit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::I don't know, since we don't have inside information, we can't really do interesting things like "Did you know [[Strong Sad]] had a 103-degree fever while preforming the musical number 'Singing in the Dump'?" — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::We think we could do it all right. Pull up a good, random fact from the Trivia section et cetera. There should be good n' plenty of those. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Count my vote in if there is a vote. [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 07:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::::It'd be a great place for all those appearances facts. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Could be nice. Prepare to make a page for deciding the trivia, proposing it and archiving it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::We could build a large trivia database compiled from the fun facts of each toon and then have the wiki pull up a random one. I have been looking for a project to do for some time, so I'd love to be part of the grunt work! ...pick me, pick me. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

You could just create a random PHP script which loads a text file. IF you're too lazy to make one, get [http://passepartout.peterkerl.de/downloads.phtml Citagen-Quote Generator] and incorperate it into the Main Page server-wize. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 21:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:I that IRF meant that he would make a huge batch of trivia, and manually put a new one every week. A random one each time someone visits the main page would probably strain the server and lose it's touch. I don't think changing it by hand would be such a chore. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::This was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up&oldid=76449 originally considered] when JoeyDay designed the early version of the current main page layout. I could see it working now, especially if we just throw random Fun Facts in there from toon pages much of the time. I think it's got plenty of material and potential. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
:::We seem to have a large cornucopia of trivia facts at the ready for this kind of thing. It seems fun and cute, so I say let's try it! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 02:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I have a list of some if you need some to get started. Did you know...
*[[Pom Pom]] was the first character TBC [[First Flash|animated in Flash]]?
*[[Homestar Runner]] was actually the second character TBC [[Second Flash|animated in Flash]]?
*[[1-Up]]'s name has never actually been said by a character? (The cutscenes in Stinkoman don't count, by the way. I do need confirmation for this, though.)
*[[Strong Bad]] has actually checked 189 [[Strong Bad Email|emails]]? (Of course, someone would have to update this whenever an email came out...)
That's all I could think of. --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 14:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== New logo ==

Whoa. Awexome. It blinks too. Just thought I'd say. Am I the only one?

:Nope. But we're supposed to hold off discussion till december 9, so we have time to get used to it. See [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]. :) - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't get the memo, but sorry about that. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 21:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Wow. That thang is nice! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== Print-ables ==

Hi! I have a suggestion...Could we make a page about things that can be printed out from homestarrunner.com, (for example, the "Strong Mad has a Posse" stickers and the "Rad Rad Robotank" stencil). Like, where to find them and stuff...(sorry if this's a stupid idea...it's kinda sounding more and more idiotic as I keep typing, but I began this subject thinking that it was such a great idea...I'll stop now)--[[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 01:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:I actually like this idea, Kai lyn. Feel free to '''be bold''' and make it yourself. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 01:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::I personally see potential in that page. It's something I see useful in the future for readers '''and''' users. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Cool! I'm glad I had an idea that was... well, cool! I've made it! It's called [[Printables]], and I've already had help with it! Just one question though (and I also asked this on my Talk page as well), is it orphaned? Like, how does it fit in with the rest of this Wiki? Is it in the downloads section?[[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 04:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

== Quote of the Week ==

Will someone (an admin, I'm guessing) please change "this" to "that" in the "well folks you know what that means now I'll do a dance" quote on the front page? It's just annoying me, the incorrect wording and all. {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 11:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:Done and done {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:In the future, you can use [[Template:whatsnew]] to list and correct site updates. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== It bounces! ==

Odd. When I move my mouse over the bar near the top-right corner that says that "log in/create account" stuff it moves all the way to the left. What gives? Also, the edit box has itty-bitty spaces between lines. Odd. -Color Printer, I can't log in for some reason.

== Update ==
*New Quote Of The Week, Weekly Fanstuff, and Sketchbook. --[[User:205.206.196.178|205.206.196.178]] 22:32, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks. You win the prize for being first! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

== christmas update? ==

Aren't we supposed to update the wiki with a cool, christmas-in-the-homestar-universe-themed skin and logo?--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:11, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

:We've never done it before, but then again, we've never done a halloween skin before, either. So I don't see why not. It's a matter of wiki-wide opinion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== LOL ==

[http://hrwooky.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page LOL LOL LOL] --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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'''Current Updated B and C''' have now been implemented, and we are taking a break from discussion for a week. During this time, be thinking about which logo you like better (if you want to see how the other one looks, it will switch within the hour). Think about whether we might want the two logos to alternate permanently. Think about whether you think the blink is cool or not, or whether you even notice it when editing. On '''9 December''', we will pick the discussion back up.
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==Proposed logo discussions==
This is the discussion section for [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006|the 2006 logo proposals]]. Please address the logos in the section with the matching heading title. Click on the heading title to view the logo to which it refers. Please keep comments about logos civil and friendly; you can say you don't like a logo without instigating contention.

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current|Current]]===
The strengths of this design are its simplicity and its connection with the [[Intro]]. Aside from its slightly older style, one possible weakness is that by featuring only Homestar, it suggests that he is representative of the H*R body of work as a whole, which over time has grown to revolve around other characters equally or more (well, Strong Bad). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:<s>[http://www.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/wikihrlogo_new.png This one] seems to be just the ticket to me, though I'd like it even more if pixel by pixel the only thing that changed was Homestar. Maybe I'm just too used to the current design. I ''do'' still want the character's latest design in there instead of one that's a year or two old though. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)</s>
::It ''is'' the latest design, only drawn differently. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, so it is. Never mind then. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
:What makes this one so strong, and what I think we need to keep in mind with whatever we choose is that it is a logo, it is simple recognizable and easily connected to what it represents. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::I'm kinda tired of this one. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't see what's wrong with our current logo. It still looks good and works well. I'd personally like to keep it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:I see nothing wrong with it either, but I also want a change of pace. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I am very sorry - I like many of the submissions I see, I mean, they're all really great. But the current one is the best of them all. If we didn't have a logo now, I'd pick the one we have now. '''''BUT''''' in my opinion, one of the other logos that have been suggested for this wiki would be great to replace the one over at the fanstuff wiki!! --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep the current one, it reinforces the actual website, is simple and uncluttered, and features Homestar himself.--[[User:Saxonjf|Saxon the Deutschmaster]] 02:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The current logo is the better than all of the proposed substitutes. Don't fix what ain't broke! --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 06:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:It may not be "broken," but it does need some touching up. Perhaps you would be happy with Current Updated or Kamikaze Full Body? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Almost Everybody|Almost Everybody]]===
Somebody said they wanted more characters in the logo. I think it was Trey. So I put some more in there as silhouettes in the background. I think it's a very professionally done styled logo. I like it.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 01:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Homestar look a bit off. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Petty attempts at flaming someone else for disliking your logo aren't really smiled upon. Honest, tactful opinions only, please. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I like the two side silhouettes but I'd take out whoever is in the middle. Can't see him anyway. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Lapper, to my knowledge Trogga hasn't made any logos, so far only bleedorange and I have {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::He did the Encyclopedia Style logo above.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::1. I didn't criticize his logo just because he didn't like mine, and 2. that ''was'' honest, tactful opinion. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 03:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh, no, of course not. Let me find that edit summary... ah, here we are. "It's my turn to bash YOUR logo!" Let me know what you think is "honest and tactful". — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::That wasn't meant to be taken seriously... --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 03:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::FYI, sarcasm doesn't come through in written form. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::''(Sarcastically)'' Sure sarcasm doesn't come through in written form. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:::::::That wasn't sarcasm. (OK, I'll stop.) --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 03:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I actually like this logo, but can't you fix Homestar? Especially his eyes. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 06:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::There's actually no difference between this Homestar and the others in my other logos, it's the same one. I've been working with the same PSD file all along. The reason it appears like it to you, most likely, is because the image is surrounded by white. Due to the fact that the logo is darker than most the others. If you copy and paste it into a darker bordered surrounding, it wouldn't look that way as much. Otherwise I have no idea what your talking about because I didn't change him at all.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I see. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 06:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about the characters in the background, I understand the desire to include more of "what H*R.com is about," but I see this as not being inclusive of the universe while leaning towards becoming too busy to be a LOGO for the wiki - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Blury. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Good concept, and looks pretty sweet. I wouldn't mind this logo. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::It's blurry on purpose, foreground in focus, background out concept. Not my favorite, I personally vote against this one and I made it! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Basement|Basement]]===
For reasons stated [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 7#Updating the WIKI Logo|above]], I don't really think SB's basement is really the place to put Homestar Runner. It's more his domain than Homestar's. Which is why I think this logo wouldn't work.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:[[:Image:Wiki logo basement 2.png|just a thought]] {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Nah, I think if any other character is going to be on the logo, then Homestar should too.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::The logo will have to have Homestar on it. There's no way around it. He's the guy.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::If this wasn't "named" basement I think it would take less flack, as this is the design on the walls of TBC's office. I mean it is much of what a logo should be, simple, clean, clear, distinctive, and well connected to what it represents. The patern of this wall is very well recognized as something conected to H*R.com while at the same time showing that this is a seperate entitity from anything TBC created - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Black Background|Black Background]]===
:I like this one head and shoulders above the others, it has a professional look that an encyclopedia should have, and I really like the logo in the background which I feel better represents the H*R universe than any forced inclusion of other characters. Again like "basement" it is simple, clean, clear, distinctive, and easily connected to what it represents - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 18:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::I don't think the black background would go well with this white and colorful website. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 21:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]]===

:I kind of enjoy this. Not to much of a change, like the Full Body one. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like this one a lot too, except I think the word "WIKI" should be flattened a bit so that the "W" doesn't look so, pointy. That or maybe a new font entirely (altho this one works well).--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, awexome, though the font could change. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I like this one the best! — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 20:17, 18 November 2006
:::::I like this one, but I think it would be cool if this was combined with the full bodied one. {{User:DBK/sig}} 05:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::DING! You win! I'm glad to see an update of the current logo that's not so bright it actually kind of hurts my eyes in a sitting too close to the TV with the lights off kind of way. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 10:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)'''EDIT:''' Though the font still ought to be Bauhaus. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:50, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::This, along with [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#World|World]], is one of my two favorites. I do think that Homestar's mouth should be closed though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I still think this is the way to go. It stays close to the logo that's worked well for us for quite some time while making it look less old-fashioned. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I like this new logo, it stays true to what has worked, plus it's more modernized, evolving along with the characters. Anyway, I think this is the way to (lo)go. --EdgeMaster025
::::::::::This one stays more true to the original, but is still unique in it's own way. Very well done, so I would say yes to this one.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 06:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Edit Link|Edit Link]]===
- This idea is supposed to encapsulate some of the idea behind the wiki: a transition between [[The Field]] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/skins/monobook/headbg-kb.jpg the wiki background] (I wanted it to be a smooth, blended transition from the colored field to the washed out grayscale background, but I don't have the tools) and the [edit] link you see on wiki section headings. Needs some cleanup though, if it's going to be usable. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

:Until I read this, I thought that Homestar was standing in a spot right next to [[The King of Town's Castle]] (grass to stone). It just looked like that to me upon first glance, and I wouldn't have given it a second thought if I didn't read this. I think the sudden change is a bit disorientating. If you blended it, however, it might be a smoother logo. Pardon the pun. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::This is definitely the best concept I've seen yet, no doubt. It symbolizes the wiki greatly, but somehow I can't see this becoming a recognizable logo. Maybe it's just the sudden change that strikes me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a neat idea, but people wouldn't probably get it when they came here for the first time. They'd wonder why Homestar is next to the KOT's castle with Edit written no the wall. lol. I still like the concept, but I can't think of a good way to do it in a small image and it still be a good logo.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Could you create a mock-up of how this would look if actually applied to the main page? Because I have some slight doubts that it would produce the desired effect. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 23:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I can't see this working at all, I understand the idea and it's good as an idea, but as a logo it doesn't seem to fit. Nor does it give recognizeable branding to the site. Very low on my list - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Encyclopedia|Encyclopedia]]===
A bit plain, but symbolizes the idea of a H*R encyclopedia/wiki. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:I definitely don't like this idea at all. Text as a logo?--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 01:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::I was going to add Homestar, but MS Paint wouldn't let me. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:I, also, disagree with the use of this logo. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I still kinda like logo, mainly for text I've chosen. Feel free to improve the idea. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 06:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't think anyone would get that it was supposed to be an encyclopedia. They would just see text and go, "what's that supposed to be." Logos are generally visual. I don't like it because I can't think of a way that this would be appealing.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I was tryin' make a logo like [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page Wiktionary]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 06:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I get that one because it uses a pronunciation key (or whatever you call it)... and varying font sizes, etc. Yours just looks like a paragraph from a book. But either way, even if it looked better I don't like the idea. Personally.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I think the Wiktionary logo is pretty bland. Not what I would have chosen for something as exciting as the HRWiki.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Hang on. This might be cool in the background behind Homestar... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even with Homestar, I think it's going to be too busy and not representitive enough to be a logo, but I'm willing to wait and see - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree. As a logo alone, it's quite bland, and as a background, it would be distracting. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Text woldn't work. 1.) It's boring. 2.) It wouldn't look right on this backround 3.) it makes no sense. Why couldn't you just put words as the logo. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Having the words as the background isn't such a bad idea. It might be a little distracting, but it might not be as distracting if the words are in faint print. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:It would look bad also because Homestar is white and the background is white... a "wash out effect" would happen. It's not a very interesting idea, IMO.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::I don't like this logo at all it would look like part of the page not a logo for the page.{{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 22:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I never really intended this logo to be a real logo; I just wanted to present my idea for a logo. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Everybody Everybody|Everybody, Everybody]]===
I made this one fairly quickly, it could use some better-looking text. Ideas, comments? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:Very good! WAy better than I could do. So... cool. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:It has potential. But like you said, look for some better text. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::Seems a little bright to me, might not match with the current background. But as Lapper said, it does have potential. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I really am quite against featuring EVERY major character on the logo. I just think it makes it cluttered plus it's hard to do in a 150x150 spaced area and still look good. They're SO TINY on that image that you can barely see them. To bring them closer where you CAN see them makes it that much harder to put them ALL in there. Do you see where I'm going with this? Homestar by himself or with say the second leading character (Strong Bad) is about as much into this kind of idea of multiple characters as I think we need to get. Because really, it's not like people visiting here are going to not know there are more characters. TBC don't have every character on their main intro page, and the website IS Homestar Runner.com after all.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, Homsar's not in it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
:I have nothing against trying to get more characters into the logo (although I'm against making Strong Bad central), but I agree with BleedOrange that the chances of anything simular to this actually making it so that it's clear and recognizable is slim at best, so with so many options, I vote no to this one fo'sure fo'sure - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#FCUSA Puzzle|FCUSA Puzzle]]===
The logo is a renderation of the wikipedia logo with Free Country on it. It signifies that we continueously build on the Homestar Runner World. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 22:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:The logo itself isn't bad (but not great either), but I am a bit disturbed by the idea that we "build" on the world of Homestar Runner, because while we look inside that world at things deeper, we're not really adding to the world TBC created in any way really. As far as the logo goes, I like the idea, the logo itself isn't that simple though, or really all that clear. But it is a good general idea for a design focus. The other thing is I'm not entirely sure that using the globe puzzle, a logo should make a "brand" (in this case the site) distinctive from other simular sites, so thats my view on this. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 01:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
::I'm not saying that we're adding to the world of Homestar Runner, I'm saying that as the Homestar Runner universe expands, we add onto the wiki, building on the information of the world of Homestar Runner as more things are divulged. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 16:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok. Makes more sense to me now. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I think you should cut out Homestar and the background and put Homestar Runner WikI under it and it'll look like Wikipedia. --[[User:Gert7|Gert7]] 08:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::As Ilko said, we don't want top connect our identity too much to another website. [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 11:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::I really like the "cleanliness" of this logo. The strong black lines around the globe and the kamikaze bg. Although I think it's a little odd of the placement of homestar's head and the font. I still like it and with some work it could be better. I do agree that using the puzzle concept still connects us strongly to wikipedia... and it probably would require (maybe) their permission as well.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::I think there's too much going on in this one. It's also too close to the Wikipedia logo for my taste.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree; too 'busy'. Nice try though. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 01:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Field|Field]]===
I kind of like this one...and the field is a good background for the logo. What about Homestar, SB, and maybe one or two others gathered around the stick? Or maybe that would be too cluttered. Hmm.... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:This isn't bad, but the field seems a little non-specific for a logo. Not first place in my book - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::I think this would be my favorite if it had the kamikaze background. But I see there could be a problem with the lines converging. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I like having The Field as a background. It's a good general representation of the H*R universe. One of my favorites right here. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm not a fan of how the text is shown. i don't know, maybe a different font would make it look better, but the fact that it's pushed into the side instead of centered...not fond of it. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 01:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Homestar and Strong Bad|Homestar and Strong Bad]]===
:This is a pretty good concept: I like the inclusion of Strong Bad as well as Homestar, since both are equally central to the Homestar Runner body of work. If we end up liking this design, there are some small suggestions I could make, but as an overall design I think it shows great promise. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::Not to into this. I like the idea. But not this logo.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::It's cool. BUT I don't don't like the blinking. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::The thing I don't like is the font. Dark on dark? - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:09, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:Too too much Strong Bad focus along with color and font issues. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field|Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field]]===
I liked the idea above, but not the logo itself. So I put them in the field. Whatcha tink?--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like a lot of things about this: I like the inclusion of both SB and HR, the foreground/background juxtaposition, and the classic setting of The Field. In my mind, this is a strong candidate. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::I think it's a very nice logo. I'm using it on my monobook right now. I increased the brightness so it blended better with the Wiki. It looks pretty good on my 'puter and I think it has a lot going for it. Features the two main characters in a classic and common setting for the toon.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 04:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm still happy with the original, but of the prospective future logos, this one is my favorite. Simple but effective. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Also my favorite... I like Homestar coming in from the side, and I love Strong Bad's pose. Excellent. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 23:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Very professional looking. Not my personal favorite, but one of my favorites. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Looking over them all this ''might'' (I'm not sure) be my favorite. It 1) doesn't have just Homestar, 2) has Strong Bad, and 3) looks, well, logolike. I can't quite explain that, but it has a certain logociousness that, say, Weclome Back doesn't. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with AbdiViklas. This logo looks ''very'' professional and a lot like a logo. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 01:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::This one's my favorite and Official Logo Homestar gets second place. This design really does look professional, unlike some that would be more appropriate for the informal fanstuff wiki. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:While I do think this is above average as a logo for the site (in that it is pretty clean and recognizeable), I don't like that it seems to focus on Strong Bad with Homestar seeming to interupt him, if we go with anything with both involved (which I am very against anywho) it should have Homestar at center and Stongbad in the background and mostly out of frame. Also I think Homestar should have his mouth closed in any logo design, it's just more professional. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::While I hear what you're saying, I'm not sure I understand it: Why do you feel so strongly that it should be just Homestar, or Homestar-centric? (Um, aside from the fact that it's called the "Homestar Runner Wiki", I supppose.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:::There are a few ways to look at it: 1) if this is your first experience with the world of Homestar Runner, you would expect the character at the center of the logo to be Homestar Runner. 2) We are Homestar Runner Wiki, and not Homestar and Strong Bad Wiki, while Strong Bad is important to the H*R universe, he is not the "focus" of the site 3) Our logo and thus our "brand" has been Homestar-centric, and thus to remove him from the focus really changes our "brand" and I'm not sure thats needed.
All of this is comes back to the same thing you said, our name is Homestar Runner Wiki, and our logo should represent either the entirety of the website, or the character for which the site we're a wiki about was named. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 02:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:To me, it looks more like Strong Bad's in the background, while Homestar is closer to the viewer. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::Which is what it's supposed to look like.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Homestar in Front of Logo|Homestar in Front of Logo]]===
This is a simple redesign, but design is different than others in a way that its so unoriginal, its original. Think about it.--{{User:Strong Devon/sig}}01:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thought about it. No, I don't like it. Not clean enough or clear enough to be a recognizable branding (logo) for the wiki. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah...it sucks...I should've asked someone to help me design it. {{User:Strong Devon/sig}}

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Homestar STAR|Homestar STAR]]===
A cool idea I had. I can do lots of things with this idea, but this is the general concept. He could blink, the star's contrast could be less... his could be more... etc. etc. I accidently flattened a layer while making it, so it was impossible to further change the star's outline. So I'd have to redo it if it was picked to change that part... that or edit a new outline over the current. Anyway. Here's the concept. Whatcha tink?--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:My initial reaction is I like it alot as is. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 02:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

::I like this one a lot. I think this, Kamikaze Full Boyd, World or the Current Updated are the best designs. While I'm still trying to figure out my top favorite, this is definitely one of them.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 22:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:::In case anyone cares, these are some alternate versions of the STAR logo. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hstar2.png 1] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hstar1.png 2]. Neither of which I like more than the original I submitted. But thought I'd mention it anyway.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Jokestar Runner|Jokestar Runner]]===

It's dot Joey! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 05:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:This logo would be perfect! Unfortunately, I don't think we could get permission to use that picture from TBC ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

::Since when do we ask TBC for persmission to use pictures? ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:::Actually. that's the next project after the logo redesign: send TBC individual emails about each image on the wiki asking for their permission to use them. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Funny! Funny. That...is a joke, right? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 01:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yep — it's a joke :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Have TBC given any indication that they want us to do that? If they email one of you and said that they'd prefer for us to get permission to use their images, then ok, we respect their wishes. But since we've been at this for half a decade and if they haven't complained, then I would consider it a severe annoyance to email them about every image. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 02:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::See above :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, we've only been at this for three years. Point still taken, though. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 10:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It's dot... Jeoy? Don't you mean Joey? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:<goes and looks> What the..yeah, you're right! I guess that just slipped everyone's mind! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::It's okay; if we pick this one, we can make the correction ;) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::You seriously need to stop being sarcastic. But...did you make this logo? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::He wasn't being sarcastic, Brightstar. The logo itself was meant as a joke, and so you really shouldn't take the discussion in this section too seriously ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, sorry about the dumb jokes; they're not ill-meant. And Invisible Robot Fish made this one. :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I realized that right after I saved my edit. Darn. Oh, and Loafing, I know it's a joke. I was gonna put a smiley after that first sentence, but that would've made 6 (now 7) smilies in this disscussion topic. But just because I can...<(^_^)> ^(^_^)> <(^_^)> <(^_^)^ ^(^_^)^ YAAAYY! *ahem* Remind me never to do that again. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Kamikaze Full Body|Kamikaze Full Body]]===
This is like the idea with the logo but without. It's my personal favorite. I think it is the best example of what the new logo should be like. Similar to before but with a refreshing twist.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 01:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:If this section symbolizes [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 7#Updating the WIKI Logo|18, 24, and 25]] as a whole, I vote for No Logo Homestar style. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah that's what I meant for this section to symbolize.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Then yeah, all for this. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I really like this one. Simple, but updated. Not too much going on, but newer.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 05:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Heck yeah! [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 7#Updating the WIKI Logo|24]] is my favorite. I think this is the style we should go with, personally.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::This version of the logo is my personal fave. The old background with the new Homestar. Because he's what the site is all about and don't you forget it! If you try to bring other character to the logo, some (like me) will complain why you left out that other character. Blinking or not, I don't care. but I want '''this one'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Would prefer a more strait redesign of the current if we went this route, but it's ok - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I almost like this one. The only thing I dislike is the white outline around Homestar. It's too thick. I would like it is it were fading into the blue like the current logo. Also, I dislike the crampedness of the words "Homestar Runner". Maybe if Homestar were further down a little, and the words were a little bigger. I don't know. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:Between this one and the current one, I think the current one is better. It's simpler, more visible, and Homestar looks (and is) more intelligent with his mouth closed. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I agree with all others who have this as their favorite. It's a subtle, yet powerful change that is just what this wiki needs. It keeps the simplicity of the old logo, but with a twist. Pretty awesome. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree as well. This logo is just what everyone is used to, but updated.{{User:Flamer8965/sig}}
::::::::::This one's definitely my favourite too. I've got it set as my logo in [[User:Loafing/monobook.css]] for over a week now, and I'm pretty happy with it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much disapproval for this logo. I still think it's better than any of the others. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:Argh, the white blur! It burns my eyes! - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::I fixed the lines behind Homestar. They are no longer crooked.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 22:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards this one. {{User:DBK/sig}} 06:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

====Kamikaze Full Body Blurred====
I decided to make the background out of focus. Here's what it looks like.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 23:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:I think this is quite a bit better than the regular Kamikaze Full Body. I'll go for this. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::It's okay, but can you please lessen the white glow around Homestar? Make it less intense, like the current logo. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I like this one. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 00:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok guys. I listened to you. I, get ready for this, REMOVED that white outline and made it more of a transparent glow. It does look better I think. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/kamikaze_new.png VIEW UPDATED BLURRED LOGO WITH NEW TRANSPARENT GLOW] - also, I made an experimental alteration that probably was a bad idea, but here [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/kamikaze_new1.png it is anyway].--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::::First new one is good. Second, not so good Al. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, the first new one is better. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 18:18, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Lappy|Lappy]]===
This one is interesting and the lettering is pretty nice, I think, but the animation will probably lose it's novelty after a while and annoy some users. I have nothing against animation (like homestar blinking) but not as constant as this. Maybe a static version could be used? - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, I don't like the cursor blinking either. But I do like the concept. I can make strong bad in it too ya know. It's just the idea. I can take away/add to it. It's best to leave it as one character though, for the reasons that this image is too small for too much more to be going on in it.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 01:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Good concept, the design as a whole doesn't seem to quite hit me as a "recognizeable logo" but it's again something that could be worked with I think, better than alot of options in my eyes, but still not the best - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::The blinking is kind of distracting. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Agreed. To me, all the animations are distracting. A simple and easy to remember logo is what I'm going for. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Weighed against the other (and now better) ideas. I don't like this one much anymore. Blinking, stationary or uhh.. blinking. It's nice, but not nice enough to be the WIKI logo IMO.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
I like the concept, and the design but it's too... non-logoish (as stated by Ilko). Still, it's well done.[[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 00:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo Homestar|Official Logo Homestar]]===
Summarizing the objections from [[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 7#Updating the WIKI Logo|above]], including the official logo in ours may cross an ethical boundary. Despite this, I think this is an example of a way to broaden the scope of our logo from Homestar the character to the Homestar Runner body of work. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:The black one above, does a better job of being a logo for the wiki, as I concur that this makes us seem a little too connected to H*R.com and TBC.
::I would like it better if the logo was in front of Homestar. With him in front, it's hard to read what the logo says. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::His star is supposed to be replacing the one in the logo, if I'm getting this right. Instead of this: h*r It's this: h/*\r Get it? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|Official Logo with Green Wiki]]===
Looks GWEAT. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:A branding issue with this one. Makes us seem way too connected with the official world of Homestarrunner.com. We need to be sure to keep our brand distinct from TBCs as while this site wouldn't exist otherwise, we are completely seperate and not connected in any way, thus our logo needs to represent that. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 01:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
::I just don't see how using the official logo in our logo is any different than using Homestar in our logo. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:::A definition of a logo(edited from Wikipedia): "A logo is a graphic element or icon of a trademark or brand. A typical logo is designed to cause immediate recognition by the viewer. The logo's shapes, colors, fonts and images are usually different from others in a similar market." Thus to use the official logo of Homestarrunner.com as the main focus of our logo is to give the impression that we are part of that brand, which we are not. This is also part of the reason I think we shouldn't stray too far from the logo we already have (Homestar-centric as someone called it). - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Very well put.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
This, is, actually the ''first'' suggested logo change, taken from [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 2]] at [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]'s request. I think it's well crafted. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'll concur that this is a GREAT logo, everything I'd want in a logo if it was my company (simple, easily identifiable, very well connected to the subject represented, presenting a positive and professional image.) Yet, the branding issue is a major problem, there's unfortunately (at least in my mind) no real way to get around it, to make enough changes to avoid potential trademark infringement (or at least intellectual property infringement if it's not a trademarked logo) we'd be cheapening our brand to that of a cheap rip-off of an original (see lots of store brand sodas or "fake" watches and jewelry brands.) Also I stand by the fact that to move too far from what the logo we've got now is not just changing our logo, but rebranding our entire effort, which I do not see as being something we need right now. (If we had changed our mission or our way of operating or something else then yes, we should look at rebranding ourselves, but we haven't.) As is, the only reason to update the wiki logo seems to be that we want to modernize to better represent the subject of the site and just to look more "current" with the times. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
::I won't mention the H*R logo problem. We've heard plenty of that. But I will say that I definitely don't like the green "Wiki" font. For some reason, the green with the red and blue or the regular H*R logo makes me think of this logo like a kid's toy or something. I just don't like it.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I think I definitely like this one best. Less is more. {{User:Taco Salad of My Dreams/sig}}
Can't put my finger on it, but there's just something about this one I like and dislike at the same time (sorry, wasting space) [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 00:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like it. It shows how we relate so closely to h*r.com and how the wiki credits everything to the h*r.com website![[User:Jmoney|-Jmoney]] 00:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

=== [[HRwiki:Logo redesign 2006#Old Homestarrunner|Old Homestar]] ===
I made this logo with paint (so excuse me for the bad picture) of the Old Homestarrunner standing next to a light green oval with the text HRWiki and standing in front of a white background. - [[User:Sherlockrunner|Sherlockrunner]]

:[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Augh! Bleh! Ewww! Grugh!]] No. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::To be less blunt than The Mu, it needs work. Lots and lots of work. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 18:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
:I said it was made with paint. P.S can i try one more time? - [[User:Sherlockrunner|Sherlockrunner]]
::No, I don't think so. The submission time has expired, but you "could" make alterations to it and see what everyone thinks. But now is a little late anyway. Sorry. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 22:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Old New Star|Old New Star]]===
I'm not sure how much this crosses the boundaries of too much. But I thought it'd be kind of neat if the logo could switch back and forth between the original design for Homestar and the current. The one in the example above is set for 15 second intervals. But I made a [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrstar_oldnew30.gif 30 second] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrstar_oldnew60.gif 60 second] one as an example. The 15 second is just so you don't have to wait around forever to see it. The 30 or 60 is the actual timer I think it should have. Most people would see it as it is. Just a regular logo, those who stick around for awhile might notice it changed. They'd be like, wait a second... wasn't that a diff. Homestar? It will loop back and forth every 30 or 60 seconds from the original design to the current. It's not a very big file size either. Only around 20 kb.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 04:54, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like the still image of Homestar (current) in front of the old star, but I don't like the animation. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 05:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::No matter what is decided, I think that this will deserve a paragraph in [[A_History|our history]] once we all decide. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 05:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I basically copied the way TBC animated it. So, uhm, what are you saying man! You don't like TBC's animation!?! lol. And yeah, this is pretty historical. Err, hysterical. Hysterically long.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::TBC rarely morph between Homestars if ever. I don't like the looking of going from old to new, it looks rough and abrupt. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Go look at Strongest Man in the world... that's where it's from. I did take out two frames of the animation to get file size down, but otherwise I did it exactly how they did. It doesn't have to be animated either. This is a '''DESIGN IDEA''', it's for the design itself, not just the animation. I can make it stationary too. I kind of like it more stationary anyway. Although I had to animate it. You say TBC never morph between them, but that's not the point. The point is that it morphs between them so sometimes it's the original design and sometimes it is not. It's supposed to be abrupt. I could make it .. fade.. into the other but I promise that wouldn't look as good. How do YOU think it should be animated if you don't like it. Got any ideas? :)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 16:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Now I made another version where he just blinks (NO MORPHING)... [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hsnewstar_blinks.gif stationary - just blinks]--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 17:33, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Bleed, you really don't need to get this defensive. You are doing some fine work here but not everyone is going like everything that you do. As I stated above, I like this one stationairy like the link that you post immediately above. Keep up the good work. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not a big fan of the multi-homestar options, we're an encylopedia, not just a history textbook, also this one strikes me as a little too much like something that would be on the website, and we should keep arms length from that in my mind. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:: First of all, IRF, I'm NOT getting defensive. I don't know what you got out of what i said, but I didn't take offense. I wanted it to be CLEAR that this is an idea for a logo and it does not have to morph, blink or do anything at all than be a stationary image. Which is why I pointed out "design idea," and I could go on defending what I said but the point is I wasn't offended at all. I asked how he thought it should be animated because I'd actually like to hear some new ideas if you don't like something. Don't just say, oh well I don't like this... why not say what you would like as well? Anything I say on here is me trying to make clear either WHY I did something one way or that it's just an IDEA and I welcome more. Or I wouldn't continue to keep making logos. And, Skev, I don't see a reason why we should keep away from something that would be on the website. Just because Homestar is standing in front of a star isn't a big deal. I could have him stand in front of a field, kamikaze blue rays or a million other things... but it will all be derived from something on the site. The current logo is like something you would see on the site. So that's my thoughts on this. Oh and I also made a transparent version of the logo. See [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/star.gif this link here for transparent version of the logo]. That's it for now!--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I changed the animation, it's a lil smoother now. I think. 20 second interval.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Once again, the animation could be distracting. I'm all in favor of a still image, though. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Puzzle|Puzzle]]===
This is an interesting logo. You can't really see the characters underneath the puzzle design, which only represents one part of the wiki (the lots of different article "pieces" part). So it's overshadowing the main concept here, even though I must admit that the logo itself looks really awesome. Oh, and I [[HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_15#Just_Kinda_Wonderin.27...| totally called the slogan]]. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 16:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think this one's pretty cool, and very professional-looking. The only flaw is that it's a little hard to see the details on the pieces when it's logo-sized... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like this one as a logo, but due to the problems mentioned above, it should not be the main branding logo of the site, if we were a company, I would highly recomend this as a secondary informal logo (for backgrounds, stationary, art, immaging) , so as much as I LOVE this one in every way shape and form, for our purposes, *sigh* - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:I really love it. I hope this is the new logo. -Nintendokinz

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Running Intro|Running Intro]]===

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Then and Now|Then and Now]]===
I like this particular new idea because... quite honestly, it's going to be very hard to get multiple characters with-in the small logo and have them large enough to visibly see in a nice way. Homestar is, technically, the main character and alone can represent the toon itself... which is why he is on the main pages on the official site. This idea shows how far H*R has come from old to new, and is themed around the original book. Which is always nice. :)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 23:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like that one, except It seems a little simplistic. Maybe the Homestars could be moved up a little, and have the lettering the same as either the one we have now, the star themed one, or the darker outline one? {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah I could do that. But I was trying to copy the way TBC actually did it on the book. I could make it show all of both Homestar's bodies.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 03:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I think maybe we could do half old half new (i.e. the old field and homestar on one side new field and homestar on the other)? Just a thought.--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 05:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Don't think much of this both for the reasons mentioned in the "field" and in "then and now" - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like it. But, I don't like the possition of "the homestar runner wiki." {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Weclome Back|Weclome Back]]===
One aspect that I like about this one is that by including multiple characters, it better represents that this is the Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon) Wiki, and not the Homestar Runner (character) Wiki. I'm interested in seeing other logos that incorporate multiple characters or perhaps just Homestar and Strong Bad. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like the [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki_hrmarziblink2.gif blinkage style]--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 05:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::If Homestar is blinking, shouldn't Marzi blink too? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 11:28, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Marzi does blink.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki_hrmarziblink.gif I like this one the best.] --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:This is too busy for a logo, it isn't something that will be easily connected to the wiki itself in my mind, and it's just really busy. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::What do mean "busy?" --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 21:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:::[http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/busy "Full of distracting detail"], probably. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
::::This one's pretty good, except the text is kinda hard to read. Other than that, good logo. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Just to clear things up, I'm pretty sure the [[The King Of Town|KOT]], [[Marzipan|Marzi]], and [[Homestar]] all blink in this logo. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::The King never blinks. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I swear I saw his eyes move...--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Wiki_Globe|Wiki Globe]]===
I realize that I am not the best graphic designer in the world, but I think that the general idea comes across. The faces need a little bit more work to "sync" better with the globe, and Homestar's face may need to be a little more prominent. Besides that, this is pretty much the concept. I'm not sure if the Wikipedia logo can be used like this, but I don't see why not. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 23:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:While it's a nice idea, this would make us look affiliated with 'Kipedia. Some folks are already confusing us as it is, and I don't think we should enforce that perception. I strongly prefer an independent logo of our own.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::In answer to your last sentence, Ation, this kind of falls under the discussions above about using the H*R logo as part of our own. (I.e. might not be okay, and even if it's okay, maybe not desirable.) Although I wouldn't be nuts about this as a logo, I ''do'' think it's awesome. (This, by the way, is what I immediately thought of when I saw "Puzzle".) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:43, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:::On the subject of whether this would be allowed, I suggest you look at [[User:Soapergem/Legal]] – though that was about [[:Image:Homestarpedia.png|Homestarpedia.png]], and we'd have to ask them again if we chose this logo, I expect we'd get a similar response. Personally, I agree with Loafing, the line between us and Wikipedia already seems muddied enough, to new users... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Agree with the above comments. Nonetheless, it does look really cool! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
:In addition to the Wikipedia issues, we are not Strong Bad Wiki. You're not doing any favors to first time visitors with this one. We need to make sure the logo represents what we're about to someone with no idea who we are (or maybe even Homestar is). - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I made some changes to the logo. Mostly, changes the globe from Strong Bad's head to Homestar's hat, rearranged faces, and "coolified the letters". People think it's better or worse? -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 00:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Much better, but many of the issues from above still are in play - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 01:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
===[[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#World|World]]===
I made a brand new logo that I think works very well. Everyone's opinion is always different but I like it. For one thing, it incorporates a globe behind Homestar... we're like an encyclopedia to the world about Homestar Runner, many people using the Wiki are from all around the globe. This shows that. It uses the fictional globe in which Free Country, USA exists, so it also doubles as a symbol of the HR world. Homestar is standing there. Obviously. And it stands out from most of the other ideas, the website itself and is very different from the original logo. I made a few different colors for the background. A grey, blue and brown one. I tried other colors and trust me, they don't look as good.
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Grey.png Grey]
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Blue.png Blue]
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Brown.png Brown]
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Grey_Bl.gif Grey Blinks]
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Blue_Bl.gif Blue Blinks]
*[http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/Logo_Redesign_World_Grey_Bl.gif Brown Blinks]
And just in case you are wondering how it would look ON the wiki. I made a GIF image that cycles between them as an example. It's low quality, but it gives you the idea. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/exampleworld.gif Example of Logo on the Wiki Itself]. I am a big fan of either the '''Grey''' or '''Blue''' ones. I don't like the Brown so much. And I'd actually prefer it to be stationary, but I made some that blink too. I could always make the blink times less or more. Anyway, what do you think?--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 20:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::Due to requests.. I changed the main idea to a lighter colored background. Which I like better too. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/lightergrad.png VIEW UPDATED IDEA HERE]. And if we wanted to change the favicon, it could always be the image of the globe itself without homestar in front of it.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 21:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::That new one is very cool, although I don't really like how his shadow is going to the right, as if the light is coming from the right. It sort of conflicts with the shadow that TBC already put there. If you removed the spotlight, that would make it perfect. (He's floating a little too. You might want to remove the shadow below him.) I wouldn't really like shading in the logo at all, if nessicary, because you want it to seem like it's looking straight at you. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Per your requests.. I removed the shadow on Homestar (agreed it contradicts the established shadow, though I could move it to the other direction). [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/world_somechanges.png View Some Changes on the logo]. How's that?--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 21:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I think that it looks great now, nice and slick. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I like it... a lot. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 21:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::: I changed the direction of the shadow, and did one without the shadow... changing the way Homestar faces to being the right. Take a look [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/World_shadowleft.png With Shadow Facing Right] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwiki/world_noshadow.png Without Shadow Facing Right].--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 21:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::It still seems a little weird to me with the shadow, now it's conflicting the world's shadow. (Plus, Homestar's a little off center). I do think that the one without the shadow is great. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Corrected some problems with the one where he faces right with no shadow. (I made the other side of the globe darker on accident) [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/facerightnoshad.png View Corrected One Here].--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 22:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, this gets my vote. It cooooool. It reallyhas nothing to do with the wiki exept for the homestar. But alright. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
AWSOME! Go with it guys! -[[Strong Badman]] The day before Thanksgiving @ 9pm

I love this one. Probably my second favorite. Good representation of the Homestar universe. Not too simple, not too busy. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:Can you make Homestar blink in that logo? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::Having Homestar blink would probably mess up all the awesome gradiants Bleed0range has in there, so it would probably be messy (and impractical) to make him blink. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 00:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Good point. The awesome gradients of this logo would match the awesome gradients of the Main Page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::The Kamikaze full body is no longer my personal fave. This one is definitely my personal favorite of them all.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I agree. This one is very awesome. Except, the gradient mixed with the world's shadow. Maybe getting rid of the world's shadow would help? (Curse those shadows! They always seem to get the best of you!) - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:21, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Nah, I think the gradient around the globe is necessary. It makes it look nicer than without. I tried it without and I didn't think it looked very good. The gradient is what helps give the globe a three dimensional feel. Things can have multiple shadows. Getting rid of the world's shadow would be a very difficult photoshop edit that would require a lot lot lot of time and probably not even look very good. I tried increasing the brightness... that didn't work. I'd have to piece it together using like the clone stamp tool or something which... *sigh* would take forever and like I said, probably look awful.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Even with this logo, which looks fine, I still firmly believe in the 18/24/25 version. But then, it's a personal choice that I'm going for minimal change here. I just want to preserve the integrity of our original logo as much as possible, and I don't feel any of these other logos fulfill that. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Holy crap this one is way better than the full body logo I totally change my vote to this one like Bleed0range {{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 20:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
While I don't see what's wrong with our current logo, this is probably my favorite of the new ones. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
:This one is very good, and I think it would look awesome with a transparent background (much in the same way [[Wikipedia:Image:Wikipedia-logo-en.png|Wikipedia's logo]] lays on top of the page). We can discuss these details more if we end up picking this logo, though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
::I do like this one. It does very little to mess with the current branding of the site and organization while updating the logo to something that feels more "modern". It is fairly simple to recognize, exclusive to this site, and makes good conections to what we're about here at the wiki. It makes my top 5 (behind Homestar STAR and Current Updated, and along with Basement and Puzzle) - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 17:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, this one has a lot of potential as a transparent logo. It wouldn't even have to be saved as a real transparent GIF or, in its case, alpha-blended PNG (due to the shadow), since its place on the page is static; we can just insert that portion of the page background underneath it and flatten it. But the globe and shadows would have to be tweaked so that the shadows don't "run" outside the 150×150 space allotted. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 21:17, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with Joshua completely. If the logo must be changed, please let it be to this one. - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 23:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::This one is my favorite. The only thing that I don't like is the font. If we are selecting a new logo, why not a new font? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:I like this one. It's pretty cool. Though I DO agree that the font needs to be changed....
::I heard that it would look nice if this image were transparent. SO, now it is. In fact, I made two versions. One is transparent and animated (the blinking) and the other is just the older version but now it's transparent. Here are the updated logos. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/World_Transparent_Animated.gif VIEW ANIMATED TRANSPERENT WORLD LOGO] or [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/World_Transparent_NonAnimat.gif VIEW NON-ANIMATED TRANSPERENT WORLD LOGO]. Test them out on your monobook to see if they look good or not. Oh, and for those who don't know how to use their monobook (or your just lazy), I took a screenshot of it on the main page... [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/Example_Of_Logo_On_Wiki_MainPage.jpg Check it out].--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 19:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:::This, along with [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|Current Updated]], is one of my two favorites. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I think this is a new step and looks very origanal and suits well as a new logo for the wiki. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 05:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

==<s>Other ideas</s> (submission time expired)==
<s>Do you have a great logo idea but not the graphic design tools to make it yourself? Post your idea here, and someone may try to make it.</s>

===AhnbergHand===
Another suggestion, which in no way discounts my support for the current logo with Homestar's current design, is [http://www.hrwiki.org/logoright/logo.php]. Perhaps one of those images? I especially like the one in AhnbergHand. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

===Wiki Bowl===
Maybe A big star in the background with "Homestar Runner" in a arch and "Wiki" in a bowl like shape with Homestar and Strong Bad's Head {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

===Main Page Message===
Look, I got an idea of a logo that I can't make, cause I neither have the template I need nor the font I need. How about a logo that looks like the Main Page message thingy that says "Homestar Runner Wiki"?.--[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

=== Homestarpedia ===

Shoot, I would've loved to take part in this discussion/submission process. I would like to submit [[:Image:Homestarpedia.png|Homestarpedia.png]], but it seems like the submission time has already expired. =( I was kind of aloof from the wiki for quite some time with a lot of things going on in my life (and even still), so I wish I would've found out about this sooner! If there is any chance you'll let me submit this yet, let me know, otherwise...shoot, that's life. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 10:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:Unfortunately it is too late to to submit new ideas. {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Logo_redesign_2006&diff=prev&oldid=386530 Others}} have also been turned away and we have rejecteed [[:Image:Logo_Redesign_WikiGlobe.png|similar]] submissions. It looks nice though, you did a good jorb! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

==Favicon==
:''See [[HRWiki talk:Favicon]]''

== Quick question/suggestion ==

I realize I'm getting into this pretty late in the game, but I have a quick question: Is there any particular reason we can't have the main logo be a random image chosen from a list of several favorites, such that each time the user loads an HRWiki page, the logo is one of the favorite images? This would give the Wiki a slightly more dynamic look. Just an idea. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:That's certainly possible, although there is currently no mechanism in place to achieve such a thing. However, I believe one logo would better serve to establish our identity. Also, individual users can always customize their personal monobooks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:01, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:No, that would be a bad idea. The logo is the only big symbol that appears on every page on the wiki. Visitors need to be able to easily find out that they are indeed on an HRWiki page. Having more than one logo would make this confusing.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Okay, so which one should we choose? ==

A lot of these are very interesting and creative ideas. Kudos to all who have participated so far. Now we need to talk about which one, if any, to actually choose. Note: this is not a vote, it's a discussion, in which we will hopefully reach a consensus. During this process we may simply choose something from the project page, or we might revise or combine various ideas. I'll get the ball rolling: the original mandate was to update, rather than completely replace, the logo. While I certainly like many of the designs, I would be satisfied with the [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]] design. It would give us a more modern look without straying too far from our current design, and I think the close-up of Homestar is better than half-body or full-body shots. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:I like the [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]] design as well, but I'd be happy keeping the [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current|Current]] design as well. This is our logo, it's the way it's looked for a while and a bit of a freshening is good, but an alltogether change would be too drastic. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with Dot com. [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]] is good for me, and for basically the same reasons he's given. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:53, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:::I would be equally happy with [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]] and [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#World|World]]. The former, for all the reasons above, and about the latter, I think it looks professional enough, and perhaps the presence of the FCUSA globe helps extend the scope of the logo beyond Homestar Runner the character to the greater Homestar Runner Universe. Or perhaps I'm full of crap. At any rate, it would look cool with a transparent background laying on top of the other background. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::I like both [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Puzzle|Puzzle]] & [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|the green wiki one]], if I can have a say in this. --{{User:Y2K/sig}} 04:49, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Of course you can. It's dot wiki! Anyways, I prefer [[HRWiki:Logo_redesign_2006#Kamikaze_Full_Body|Kamikaze Full Body]] — I've been using it as the logo in my css for weeks now — and I'd also be happy with [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]]. For the reasons I've already said before, I wouldn't want to use anybody other's logo, such as the puzzle idea or the official h*r logo.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::World, Weclome Back, Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field, and FCUSA Puzzle are my favorites. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 06:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I honestly think that world is no doubt the best-looking one. It also has the same degree of talent put into it as the current one, by which I mean it has an expert use of flash. The current updated image is a very high-quality image, just as the world image is. Yet I think that we need to go beyond subtle changes to get the potential that the world image offers. [[User:69.162.199.33|69.162.199.33]] 22:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I hate to be repititious, but both Current Updated and World are my two favorites as well. Also, I like Homestar and Strong Bad in the Field, but if I had to pick one (which I do), Current Updated would be my choice. Just don't make him blink. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Ditto to Tom. My sentiments exactly. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I suppose I could live with [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current Updated|Current Updated]], as it fits my basic subjective qualities for a good logo. And yes, like It's dot com said, this is better because it's an update, rather than a replacement. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:24, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::It seems a waste to dispose of all the cool, new, and different logo ideas that came up and just settle on a simple update. I have no problem with Current Updated, but in retrospect, this could have been dealt with in much less time if we had thought about what we really ''wanted'' first. But I guess this whole ordeal kind of gave us that answer, so I'll shut up now and just root for the aforementioned. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 01:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Nothing has been a waste. A decision such as this should ''not'' move quickly, and it is good to have a lot of choices. If we do go with Current Updated, it will be because we compared all the options and still decided a modest update was better than a more radical change. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I know I should have said this when we were still talking about the individual logos, but I now found out that I don't really like the World one because it uses an old piece of animation. That planet was made only to be seen in the theme song (and Main Page 1) and for me it now represents the older, less mature style of the site. Although it's the wiki's way of imagining how FCUSA looks like, we don't really know if it is. If a new, made in the current animation toon would pop up with a new vision of FCUSA, it will be embarrassing for the whole wiki.
:::::::::::::That's why I choose '''Kamikaze Full Body''' as our logo. It is similar to our current one, but taking a step backward to see the whole picture, the full Homestar Runner experience. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I understand where your coming from E.L. Cool, but TBC haven't updated the look of FCUSA yet nor do we have any evidence they will, therefore it is still current. What is less mature about a globe anyway? If they do re-design it, it would be a very easy job of changing the globe to an updated design. I made multiple new ideas because of a few reasons. One reason is that change is good, and this wiki has matured and I think the logo should as well. MY original statement was to mearly update the logo. Nobody included the current updated designs "I" made on this selection page, even though they were part of the original discussion in Da Basement. I thought they were not included because the first option "Current" was supposed to stand for all variations of the current design. I thought everyone was (at least at one time) gung-ho for the idea of a completely new logo. '''My pick is the world logo.''' I like everything the WORLD logo stands for. I think it's good looking, has an encylopedic look and shows how we people from all over the world contribute to this wiki. It's not just a globe of FCUSA, FCUSA merely is there to give us a H*R themed version of Earth. It's a symbol of what the wiki IS in the first place. Furthermore, I'm a little dissapointed that after all the many logo submitions and the (nearly 70) different logos I made we just want to update the look of the original with an out of focus background and change Homestar's mouth to being open? I have this slight feeling that many of you are afraid of the change, that your just used to the old style and really do not want to change it at all. I personally do not see the new current updated as much of an improvement on the original design. I actually like it less after putting it in my monobook, especially the font. So if you guys want to keep the original design, I think we should just keep the original design. It was my error that the version of Homestar on the CURRENT logo is actually the CURRENT style Homestar is drawn in. It was just drawn differently for the logo. That should be made loud and clear so people understand that. I also really like the star logo I made, but that doesn't seem to be much of a crowd pleaser.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::After thinking it over. I could live with the Current Updated if that were picked. But I still think the font needs to be changed.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::You've made several points here, and I'm sure I can't answer them all, but I have thoughts about a few of them. First, I think it's okay that many of us are reluctant to drastically change the logo. In a lot of ways, a logo is like a username — a username is a symbol of a wiki user, and if you change it, you have to do a lot of work to rebuild the reputation you've built under the old name. Likewise, the logo is a symbol of the wiki as a whole, and if you change it, you intrinsically lose something. Everytime a casual user loads a page, they no longer see the familiar stamp of approval in the corner indicating that they're on the Homestar Runner Wiki. Now, I'm exaggerating and being cheesy here for emphasis, but my point is that unless there's a very strong choice for a logo that the community as a whole feels represents them, then it may be better to stick with the familiar symbol.

::::::::::Now, I think everyone here greatly appreciates all the work that went into all the logo designs, many of which you created. But even if none of them is chosen as the final logo, the project as a whole has been served in that the community has seen a host of options that has helped them become conscious of what is important to them as a representative symbol. And while a particular logo may not be chosen as the final product, it's very likely that some aspects of it (e.g., blinking, style, etc.) may be incorporated into the final design. All this being said, I still think that World would be an awesome choice if the community as a whole agrees. So, thanks Bleed0range, for all the work you've put into this project — one way or another, it will have had a major influence on the final choice. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Awww, shucks. Thanks Trey. Anyway. I understand what your saying. I knew that all along. But the Wiki will still be the wiki no matter what is in the corner. My opinion is, if we change it, we might as well ''change'' it. It's been very hard to get away from the kamikaze type design, so I guess that shows that most users would prefer it that way. I am currently using the Transparent, Stationary World logo and it looks awesome IMO. I know that seems biased since I made it, but I really do like it and regardless I may keep it in my monobook if not chosen.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::We still have to remember that we're not doing this entirely for ourselves. Think of the new visitors to the site, and what they will think of the logo. We want something that will strike out at them, yet not be repetitious after time. Ours right now pretty much furfills that, but I think that it's kind of weak, and that current updated could give a new edge to it that everyone will like, if they're new or not. However, changing the logo to something completely different wouldn't be that bad either, because we will get used to it after a while, and if a new user comes in, it will make an impression that this is a very professional place. So I think that if we agree on a logo better than current design, it shouldn't stop us from using it. Personally, I'm leaning towards World, Current Design, Homestar STAR, or Homestar and Strong Bad in a field. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 14:02, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::The Joe has a point; it isn't just for everyone who's been staring at the logo so long that they're sick of it. It's to benefit everyone in the community, and not in it. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 19:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::Current Updated is my favorite. It looks fresh, but doesn't stray too far from what we have. Sure it's supposed to be a "''re''design", but in my opinion (please don't shoot me) many of the suggestions that are too unlike the current look tacky. As The Joe said, we want something that will catch the attention of visitors. But I also think of what the opinions of "regular" visitors and new users might be (mainly because I'm down there with them ;) ). I want something that looks new, but not ''too'' different. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 18:27, 28 November 2006

===Summary to this point===
This is a summary of the discussion above: Most people are in favor of at least updating the logo, although a few would be okay with leaving it like it currently is. Of the designs that would actually ''change'' the logo, World is the most popular choice, although less than half of those responding so far have mentioned it, and some have even said that they do ''not'' like World. Current Updated seems to be the overwhelming overall choice, either as a first choice or as a suitable second choice among those who also like something else. The questions I put to you now, then, are these: (1) Is what I have just said an accurate summary of the above discussion? (2) If so, then are we ready to consider Current Updated to be the result of the discussion? (3) Is there anyone who would be strongly opposed to making Current Updated be the new logo? (4) If we are in fact going with Current Updated, what minor tweaks, if any, should be done to it for it to be ready to be put in place? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:In respective response, (1) I believe this to be an accurate summary of the above comments, (2) I believe Current Updated is largely a favorite, not to mention favorable, (3) I'm not strongly opposed, and I feel that very few will be, and (4) If anything, I would recommend perhaps a slight increase in letter spacing for "Wiki". — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:In my opinion: (1) Yes. (2) Only 14 users have voiced their opinion in this section, so I think we should give it a bit more time. (4) In any case, the font should be the same as in the current logo. I would also like to see the edges of Homestar a bit smoother than they are in "Current Updated".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::As for me, (1) Ditto. (2) Just wait a bit. Even though only 14 users responded, they got very longwinded about their preferences and thus spoke in place of a lot of others that could have posted. I suggest we have an old STUFF-like vote with every cantidate being voted upon. (3) We'll see, but I don't think so. (4) Font change, no blink. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

:::I also believe that you accurately summarized the above, but as I haven't weighed in yet, I also like [[HRWiki:Logo_redesign_2006#World|World]]. It's fresh, simple, and professional. I am not emotionally attached to our current logo. The only thing that I would like to say about '''world''', is that I don't like the font. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

::::''IRF:'' That's great, but the most important question currently is question (3).
::::''Brightstar:'' I'll say again, this is not a vote, it's a discussion. We're trying to find something that we can all live with (or as close to all as practically possible), not just something a simple majority wants. Now that Current Updated appears to be where the consensus is headed, the question should not be "Which one do you like?" but rather "Can you live with Current Updated or not?"
::::''Regarding the time frame:'' I certainly don't want to limit anyone's ability to give input, but we need to keep the discussion moving so it doesn't wander aimlessly like it did in all of the subsections above. Additionally, we have gone out of our way to advertise the fact that we are holding this discussion and that it would be the end of the month when we would be making a decision. Well, the end of the month is fast approaching. A lot of people have already stated their opinions, but if anyone else has anything to say, the time to do so is now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I forgot about that. Considering the deadline, it looks like '''Current Updated''' will be the obvious choice.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:21, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::(1) As one of the few who hadn't been following the majority of the discussion, I trust your and others' judgment. (2) Yes, Current Update is the way to go. (3) Not that I think of. (4) I don't like the background being this blurry. Maybe a bit, but not so much. Make it blink once every 20 seconds or more. The font is ok, although I con't care if it was changed to something similar. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I fixed the font and slowed the blink to once every 15 seconds. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:(1) Same response as E.L. Cool. (2) I agree, Current Updated is my pick - if we must go with just one logo, I recommend updating the current logo rather than drastically changing the look. (3) No opposition here. (4) I like it just the way it's currently shown on the images page. Personally, I'd rather not see it blinking at all. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::The blink is one of the coolest parts. I think it's slow enough now that it's not annoying and is more of an Easter egg, as someone put it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:Hm. Now that I see Current Updated on the main page, I think I like the old one better. I think it's the blurry background and Homestar's mouth being open that I don't like as well (I asked my wife what she thought and, unprompted, she said the same thing). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

::I took a few minutes and closely compared the current and the current updated. There a few thing that I like and don't like about Current Updated.
::*'''I like''' (a) the open mouth vs the closed mouth, (b) the new font vs the old font, (c) the newer homestar vs the old
::*'''I don't like''' (a) the blur, it makes it look like a hologram or something.
::*'''I do not care about''' the blink.
:::{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 01:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::I don't like that one the main page. Like I said before. It doesn't look as good. Everyone have a look at the The World Logo on the Main Page, below, and tell me what you think. I very much like it. I'm not sure how to do that temporary file thing (or if I can) so that's why I used the image.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:Now that I see the current logo on the main page, I don't really like the feel of it. The world on the other hand, looks excellent. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::I don't know. It just reminds me of Wikipedia. Looking at the Current Updated on the main page, though, and I'm not sure I like it, either. I made a version, below, that is much closer to the current logo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:::I do prefer Homestar's open mouth over his closed mouth. But I do like [[:Image:Logo_Redesign_Current_Updated_b.gif|this background]] better than the blurry one. Hmmm, a few hours ago it all seemed as if we could agree on one logo, and now some are discussing how to improve that one, and others are discussing which logo to choose instead. That's a bit chaotic, folks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, well. I keep ''trying'' to like the World logo, but something about it just isn't right in my mind. In the spirit of compromise, I have blended what I feel are the best elements of the Current Updated B and the World ideas into one, and I think it is not bad at all. Check it out below. The more I look at the original Current Updated, the more it looks too cartoony and not professional at all. I like the Blended idea, but if I had to, I would settle for Current Updated B if it meant that or don't change at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:::::Now, I may want more of an update than a change, but I disagree with the use of Current Updated B. And yes, comparing all of them, Current Updated doesn't look so hot anymore either. In fact, considering all four of them, "World" would have maybe 30% of my favor and "Blended" would have 70%; looking at them in the upper left corner helps tremendously. In summarization, I'm beginning to lean towards '''Current Updated and World Blended'''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I think that current updated and world blended is the best, but Homestar's body needs to be a little bigger. - {{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 04:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll start off by saying that I'm no graphic artist, I'm a terrible artist which is why you'll never see me try and submit a logo. I think Dot com's summary is also correct, with the options at this point basically being an updated current logo or the world logo. Since some users think there's something wrong with the world logo that they can't quite put their finger on (I also kind of feel this way), what about taking the world logo and trying different versions of it? Then we pit a couple of those verses a couple of updated logos, and see what gains the most popularity? I admit this could also be construed as a step backwards, which is why I would also be happy with simply an update of our current logo. And if we go with that, I vote closed mouth and slow blink. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:If you look at the subsection way above, you'll see that there are already lots and lots of variants. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I really like all choices, but why can't we use the blinking time TBC use? At this blink rate it's unnoticeable. I think if we're gonna update, and we have the technology to do the blinking, let's do it right. 4 secs. Not too often to distract, not so slow as to make it unnoticeable. And true to canon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:I agree. If it's going to blink, follow the canon. (I'd prefer a non-animated logo, but I don't feel strongly about it). {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 05:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::People who are currently testing a 5-second interval blinking logo complain that it is distracting, and others have stated on this page that they desire no blinking at all. I feel that a very slow blink rate is an acceptable compromise compared to having no blink or a rapid blink. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I suppose I should revise my previous comment, I feel very strongly that the logo should not be animated. A slow blink rate only means it distracts you less often, it's still a distraction. I don't think we want that — I'm reminded of [[website]] in which TBC satirized gratitous use of animated gifs. (When I said I don't feel strongly, it's only because either way it won't be animated on my browser). {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 05:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Ooh, I like the new choices (Current Updated B and World "Blended"). I consulted again with my better half, who represents the "occasional Homestar Runner watcher" demographic, and her reaction was also that she liked them both better than the previous incarnations. She did say something to the effect of "Why's Homestar in front of a globe?" I showed her [[Theme Song Video]], and it made more sense to her, but I thought it illustrated a small point that ''almost everybody'' who will come to this site has seen [[Intro]] — it's the first thing you see when you go to Homestarrunner.com (unless you skip it). And if they haven't seen it, the "kamikaze" background is neutral enough that it's not going throw anybody off. The FCUSA globe, however, comes from a much more obscure toon. Just thought that was a useful perspective, since most people that come to our site aren't as well-versed in HSR as we are. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:32, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::What's wrong with a drastic change? It's not like we don't need it. And World isn't the biggest change in the world. I suggest we use that. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 05:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I still don't like the world image. And I admit I'm not quite sure what's distressing about the look of Current Updated on the main page; it looks fine to me. I'm still good with going that way. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I made another version of the current updated idea - my take on it [http://www.hrwiki.org/images/e/e8/Logo_Redesign_CurrentUpdate_MyTake.png see it here]. I'm not too sure about it.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 06:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
After a bit of personal deliberation, I suppose I can live with '''Current Updated B'''. At the very least, it's an update. In regards to bleed0range's most recent submission, I'm not too sure about it either. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 13:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:After thinking about it some more, I like '''Current Updated B''' over the rest. Although I like the look of World, I agree with Trey's analysis that new users will not equate the globe with FCUSA, nor will they will they know what FCUSA is. They will however know Homestar and might recognize the Kamikazee if the had JUST watched the intro. The reason I say that is I consider myself a MAJOR H*R buff. I can quote emails and toons that I haven't seen since 2003 and yet when I saw the Kamikazee background I did not [[HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive_7#Updating_the_WIKI_Logo|think of the intro]]. I think that the blended one and bleed's most recent submission are a little too dark for my liking. So overall I now changed my position that Current Updated is the best fit to meet all of our wiki needs. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::OK, I'd be good with current updated B ''if'' it were changed to have a bit less of the white aura around Homestar. As it is, it makes him look a bit distorted, at least to my eyes. The amount of aura on current updated A seems about right to me. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, our current logo has more aura than any of these. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Our current logo also has a black line around Homestar delineating him from the aura. In getting rid of that black line (which, don't get me wrong, is good), we make him look, well, "fat around the edges", to quote Marzipan with all the white aura around him. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:My view, made as brief as possible. I have nothing against any of the available options, but I much like another person asked my wife who has watched most of the toons, but has no real addiction like me, about the options and her responses were for World and World Blended "Why did they put Homestar in front of the United States?", for Current Updated "Homestar looks kinda dumb with his mouth open. . .I mean he is kinda dumb, but that just doesn't seem to say that you all are smart. . .", and for Current Updated B "Whats the difference other than it doesn't look as clean?" With that in mind, here's my thoughts; I do think that the issue I have with World/World Blended is that to someone who doesn't know any better it does seem like Homestar is in front of the United States, and as for the other 2, I've never liked the look of Homestar with his mouth open and the less bluring the better. So I guess my vote is for Current Updated B. It comes the closest to modernizing our brand without distorting it for new clients. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 19:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:Hey guys, well my opinion is leaning towards "Current Updated"... and my second favorite would be "Current Updated B". I think Homestar with his mouth open is a great logo. Anyway, there's my opinion... --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 22:06, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:My favourite is the Homestar from ''Current Updated'' with the background from ''Current Updated B''. Being not from the US, I agree with Ilko's wife's "United States observation", so I wouldn't like either of the world logos.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm...Now that I see them all, I'd have to agree with Loafing. I hadn't even thought about how US-centered the world one would be. Current updated B is now my favorite. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 22:35, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::Current updated B is looking a lot better now. I'm good with it (although I still prefer the original current updated version). {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::This interesting in that this is a fluid discussion with a lot of give, take, and revision but for history's sake it will be impossible for people to understand why people don't like Current Updated B, then love it (because the Current Updated B is different than it was earlier). With that said, I LOVE the way Current Updated B is now, it lost the blurr and looks very nice. My favorite. '''good prize''' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I still say we go with World. I mean, what's the point of changing our logo without, uh, changing our logo? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 23:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Although I was never opposed to change the original intent was not to change the logo. The original intent was to update the logo, and even that wasn't a given. There was a chance that we would do anything. We don't change for the sake of change. We are looking for the best fit for the wiki. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::IRF: Note, all of the changes to [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated b.gif|Current Updated B]] (and all the other images) are stored in the file history, so it would in fact be possible to reconstruct a timeline if someone needed to. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::Adding my voice to those who like "Current Updated B" - that one is good. I personally do not like either of the World icons at all - it's Homestar: "But He's In Space!". :P {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:Meh. I still like the normal "Current Updated" better. I mean... with homestar's smile... it just lightens up the wiki. :P --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 02:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, it really does. I'd like it if we went with Current Updated/World Blended, but with Homestar's mouth open. To me, a closed mouth looks like he's staring at you. ''Staring''. Anyway, I don't care about the blink much anymore, but the "every 15 seconds instead of 3 or whatever it was" sounds best to me. We need to wrap this up pretty soon, so if anybody has any objections to our 4 choices here, speak now or forever hold your piece. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 03:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:PLEASE PICK THE ONE WHERE HE IS SMILING. it would make me smile... --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 03:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::Current Updated, love the blur, love the mouth open. Looks as close to a smile as Homestar ever gets - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 04:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


'''See the main page with:'''
*{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/temporary_files/Main_Page1.html '''Current Updated A'''}}
*{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/temporary_files/Main_Page2.html '''Current Updated B (much closer to the current logo)'''}}
*{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/temporary_files/Main_Page5.html '''Current Updated C (a cross between Current Updated A and B)'''}}
*{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/temporary_files/Main_Page3.html '''World'''}}
*{{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/temporary_files/Main_Page4.html '''Current Updated and World ''Blended'''''}}


===Last minute thought===
'''Last minute thought''' What about adding a tag line? Like instead of just saying
:Homestar Runner
:Wiki
We could add a line under "wiki" such as ''...it's dot org'' or ''...seriously''. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:I would prefer [[Image:Exclamation Mark.png|12px|Notice]] language warning "[[Uncyclopedia:Homestar_Runner_Wiki#THIS_PORTION_OF_UNCYCLOPEDIA_IS_BROUGHT_TO_YOU_BY_HRWIKI:_.22WE.27RE_THE_WIKI_ABOUT_HOMESTAR.22|HRWiki: You Might Not Get Banned!]]" Kidding aside, I don't think altering the above logos is a good idea. "It's dot org" is clever, but I've never really considered it an official slogan, and "seriously" is not our slogan. Furthermore, at this stage of the process, we need to keep as narrow a focus as possible if we're ever going to make a decision. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::"It's dot org" would be awesome!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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Based on the above discussion, it seems clear that there is enough dissatisfaction with the World concept (both the full world and blended versions) from enough users to exclude it from the running. '''Just about everybody would be satisfied with one of the Current Updateds, so we need to focus on narrowing our choice to one of those.'''

I would be satisfied with any of the updated versions, although I'm still leaning toward '''version B''', and would like to hear if anyone has a specific reason to choose one of them before I make up my mind (for example, maybe one looks more professional). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:I like '''Current Updated C''' best. It looks good and seems to be a good combination of features that most people like.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Loafing, '''Current Updated C''' seems to have the characteristics most users want. - {{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 06:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::'''Current Updated B''' is my favorite; as Thunderbird once said, Homestar just looks more intelligent with his mouth closed. And the guy needs all the help he can get ;) I could live with numba '''C''' though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::'''Currented Updated B''' - the C version's kamikaze lines do not look very straight with his mouth open. The other one covers it up better.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''Current Updated C'''. Homestar doesn't need to look "intelligent"... He's Homestar! The mouth open-nes give him a smiling look that is welcome and greeting to new people visitng the site. It's optimistic and I like it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::I lean '''C''', although I could live with '''B''', too. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I'm perfectly happy with any of them I think at this point, but I'd go '''B''','''A''','''C''' if I had to choose, but much like in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] there is no clear winner. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::'''Current Updated C''', I absolutely love it. But, I still kinda like the blur. WAIT, IS THE LOGO GOING TO CHANGE ON THE WIKI FORUMS TOO?--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::No, the logo on the forum is different, and there would have to be discussion at the forum among the forum users if they wanted to change it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I has an idea. Many are saying, "I like B (or C), but I wouldn't mind C (or B)." And it's pretty evenly split between the two as far as first choices go. So why don't we try both for a week? I can set it up so that the first thirty minutes of the hour, we see version B. Then for the final thirty minutes of the hour, we see version C. After a week, if there are strong feelings for keeping one or the other, then we can choose one of them. Or, if we want, we can keep them alternating. (Someone further up the page mentioned rotating several differnt logos, and the idea was nixed, but I think my idea is different from that. These two logos are so close to each other in design that it wouldn't be too jarring for Homestar to be serious part of the time and smiling later. And the extremely slow rate at which they alternate would prevent it from being annoying.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:That sounds fine — as it stands, I think we're going to have to have a large sample size of users to get consensus here one way or another, which could take a while. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::Part of the random discussion involved the statement from someone that they did not think it was possible. Using php technology it would not be hard at all to randomly select one or the other. In my own [http://www.odua.org website], look at the top header. Two random images are pulled each time a page is loaded. Note the source code so to see how. Other [http://alistapart.com/articles/randomizer/ instructions] are also available. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Er, nobody ever said it wasn't possible. In fact, the first thing I said was, "That's certainly possible." I already have the code ready to do this. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::::That... is a great idea. I think we should just rotate B & C back and forth. It would probably take people awhile to figure out how it works. Like, when will his mouth be open, when will it not. I love that idea. I say we go with that. (I guess I had one more thing to add to this discussion afterall even though I thought it was pretty much over.)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 19:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I'm with '''Current Updated C''', because now that I think about it (and see them side by side), I don't really care for the blurred background. The open mouth and blinking eyes are my favorite elements. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:32, 1 December 2006
::::::I was the one who was so strongly opposed to rotating the logo. However, alternating between B and C is something I could live with. Many people might not even notice that it changes. On a side note, B was originally proposed by Bleedy back in the day, but was somehow forgotten when we moved the discussion from the Basement ([http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/hrwikinew_outlined.png] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/wikihrlogo_new.png]). I do have to say that I like Homestar's glow on these two much better. I also like that these two have no glow around the text (you know, just some details for your consideration).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Rotating between the two would be an egg in of itself. I agree, some user might not ever notice. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Just to clarify, I am not today suggesting that we ''permanently'' have an alternating logo. All I'm saying is that I believe the time has come to implement one of the designs above. Since quite a few people would be okay with either B or C and only slightly favor one over the other (and there's no overwhelming consensus for either one), my idea is that we should just choose both for a short time and see how it goes. Like, not talk about it for a week, and then once the week is up, find out what people think then. If, at that time, everyone says, "I've had time to really see it and think about it, and I think B (or C) is way better than C (or B), and we should just choose one," then we would pick one and go with it. On the other hand, if nearly everyone says, "Wow, the alternating aspect of the logo is super-cool; they should continue alternating," then of course we could do that too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I think a week away with the two finalists alternating is a great idea. They're both representitive of the Wiki, and now its mostly just a matter of what reactions are invoked by the new options with the general public. I second tabling this discussion for the durration of one week, to alow for live testing of the two potential new logos. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I vote '''Current C''', though I like '''B''' too. Really this is just a '''not A''' vote (for reasons of blur). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:I think that the alternating idea for one week is good, but I'd really just like to see version C. Of course, permanant alternating would be cool, but it would be confusing to new users. Perhaps, if we did that, we could put the answer in the FAQ. Do what you must do, Dot Com; it looks like people could live with any of the options at this point. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I like B and C...they're both really great (especially C), and I like the idea of keeping them each up for a week or so. But somebody should probably PNGcrush them. (it will be the most downloaded image on the site) - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 22:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:I think '''C''' just owns the rest. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 00:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:I got my little sister (she's five) to decide on which one she likes the best and she chose '''A'''. How cute, huh? --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:To me '''Current C''' has this in the bag. There are like 7 votes to '''C''' and about 4 votes to '''B'''- {{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 09:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
''If I ruled the wiki''... Current C, ditch the blink. Current B is a close second (no blink) {{User:Bryanc/sig}}.

I like C. He just looks happier. I like A too, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:What's wrong with a blink every 15 or so seconds? --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 17:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::There is nothing ''wrong'' with it per se, but to me it comes off as an ameteurish just-because-we-can use of technology. And it violates good design. If we were designing an embedded ad, then yes we would want to use such a subtle device, but for a logo — every 15 seconds the logo will draw the attention of the viewers eye up to the logo in the corner — why? It does not serve the function needed by a logo. {{User:Bryanc/sig}} 18:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
: Whatev :P --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 18:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I would have to say C, because he looks fat in all of the other logos. Even though it would be cool if, the logo alternated between b and c, like flash. It would for some amount of seconds be one, and then it would flash to another.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:I vote '''Not A''', because the blur is a bit distracting and it really looks bad. Personnally I'd prefer C, but I like the idea of rotating. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 19:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
I guess C wins, seeing as it's up there right now. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:No, that's only partially correct. Read the above discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::I slowed the alternating to once every 60 minutes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)



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'''Current Updated B and C''' have now been implemented, and we are taking a break from discussion for a week. During this time, be thinking about which logo you like better (if you want to see how the other one looks, it will switch within the hour). Think about whether we might want the two logos to alternate permanently. Think about whether you think the blink is cool or not, or whether you even notice it when editing. On '''9 December''', we will pick the discussion back up.
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Um, I might not be here at that time, so '''I'm for [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated c.gif]]''' --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh wait, on second tought, make 'em alternate permanently. Hey why not. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits

2006-12-06T18:33:42Z

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{{featuredarticle}}

We've not imported the lyrics for this CD from the old wiki. Is this intentional? I don't think there's any other source of the lyrics online. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:46, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Nope, I think it's just laziness. Feel free to go for it. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

I'm working on doing the lyrics to all the songs now (since the previous lyrics are now gone with the old wiki), but I'm wondering how I could best put the lyrics on the page. Any thoughts? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 13:59, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

I suggest that the lyrics would go on separate pages with reciprocal links to this CD. See [[Strongbadia National Anthem]]. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:26, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Got everything except Nite Mamas and Sweet Cuppin' Cakes, as I'm having a hard time figuring out lyrics to those two. If someone else could do those, I'd be very grateful. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 18:25, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

:I copied the stuff that was on these pages in the old Wiki. I think it's good. But take a look.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:50, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

::Looks good to me. If you have access to those old pages, maybe you could check some of the lyrics I wasn't sure on in some of the songs. Or at least tell me how I could access them to doublecheck. (I know there's some lyrics I didn't get) --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:11, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Format ==

Whoever formated this page did an awesome job. --[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Page name ==

I keep considering changing the name of this page to Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits, to fit the full name of the album. After all, the DVD set is listed under strongbad_email.exe, so I don't see why this page should be confined to just "Strong Bad Sings CD." Any thoughts? --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 20:47, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Amazing the things that we've overlooked for so long. I don't see any problem with renaming it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:55, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)
::After having done all the moving work, I can see why nobody undertook the task before, since about a jillion pages linked using Strong Bad Sings CD. Yikes. At least now this page doesn't make me cringe every time I look at it. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 23:37, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:40, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)

== worth it? ==

Is it worth it to get this cd?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!! It awsom!!!!!! and it's not just old stuff it's almost all new!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:This... doesn't exactly belong on the discussion page. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

==1.21 jigawatts? Great Scott!==
Could the "70 jg" on the cd be an extension of [[Wikipedia:Giga#Pronunciation|Back to the Future's mispronunciation of Giga-]]? As in Jigabytes? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:42, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it sounds plausible to me, although I may be biased as a long-time fan of the movies (as it mentions on my userpage)... Strong Bad does kinda use '80s terms. ("Japanimation", anyone?) I rather like it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== More People ==
:I don't exactly know where to put this, so I'll put it here:
:I recently got the Strong Bad Sings CD, and I noticed that in the back of that little book thing, there's about a million minor people that don't have any referance here on the wiki. Examples:
*Nick Niespodziani
*Matt Sonnickson
*Eric Park
*Rob Peck

:Shouldn't these people, and others, have ''some'' referance here, or elsewhere on the wiki? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:47, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::Maybe, but unless we know who they are or what they did, they wouldn't be of much use. I don't like it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::We could see if there's a place on the [[Contributors]] page. "These people helped with the Strong Bad Sings CD". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:We ''do'' know what they did. It all says on the book... thing. And I like that idea Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== Mystery Files? ==

Upon entering the CD into one's PC, there are 4 files visible; the QuickTime movie (These Peoples Try To Fade Me), a readme file and a couple of other files. I don't know what they're supposed to represent, if anything. Does anyone have any idea what they're on there for? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 20:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:If you'll hang on a few minutes, I'll try it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:39, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::The Readme simply says "If it don't work, go here and download the latest player: www.quicktime.com." Aside from the .mov, the other two files are hidden files named "Desktop DB" and "Desktop DF". I don't know a lot about these [[virus|super boxes]], but a quick web search shows at least that they have something to do with the Mac OS and keeping track of files on the desktop. Why they were included on the CD I'll have to leave to someone more knowledgeable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::From what i've noticed, mac os puts these on almost any disk you put in the computer. I guess maybe TBC burned the cd on a normal mac os computer, and then sent it to a company to have it mass produced? thats my guess.--{{User:Collin/sig}} 20:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== Maybe I'm just an idiot... ==

I can't find the freaking video! Anyone have any trouble shooting tips? I'm using Windows, but it doesn't auto-play. I go to my computer, click on SUPER_SECRETS, and it just opens media player and plays the music. [[User:70.127.93.127|70.127.93.127]] 22:52, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno about Windows. Do you have a Mac? That's what I watched it on. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 23:00, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

::Your computer's set up to play the CD automatically. Try right-clicking the Super Secrets link and choose "Explore". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Thank you so feaking much! It worked! [[User:70.127.93.127|70.127.93.127]] 19:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Beats-per-minute|BPM]]s ==
[http://www.mixmeister.com/download_freestuff.html This program], applied to the songs ripped with WinAmp and with track 20 split with [http://portableapps.com/apps/music_video/audacity_portable Audacity Portable] reveals:

C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\01 - Homestar Runner - Trogdor.wav 01 - Homestar Runner - Trogdor 128.89
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\02 - Strong Bad - The System Is Down.wav 02 - Strong Bad - The System Is Down 139.85
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\03 - Strong Bad f-Ms. Partsmatter's 1st Grade Class - Strong Badia Anthem.wav 03 - Strong Bad f-Ms. Partsmatter's 1st Grade Class - Strong Badia Anthem 124.14
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\04 - Marzipan - Oh Yeah Yeah.wav 04 - Marzipan - Oh Yeah Yeah 101.44
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\05 - Limozeen - Because It's Midnite.wav 05 - Limozeen - Because It's Midnite 147.79
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\06 - The Kinda Long-Haired Band - Circles.wav 06 - The Kinda Long-Haired Band - Circles 160.93
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\07 - Strong Bad - Let's Get Started On Doing All Those Awesome Things I Suggested.wav 07 - Strong Bad - Let's Get Started On Doing All Those Awesome Things I Suggested 144.02
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\08 - Taranchula - Moving Very Slowly.wav 08 - Taranchula - Moving Very Slowly 140.36
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\09 - The Cast Of Sweet Cuppin Cakes - Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song.wav 09 - The Cast Of Sweet Cuppin Cakes - Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Theme Song 161.01
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\10 - What's-Her-Face - I Think I Have A Chance With This Guy.wav 10 - What's-Her-Face - I Think I Have A Chance With This Guy 125.02
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\11 - Strong Bad - It's Like It Was Meant To Be.wav 11 - Strong Bad - It's Like It Was Meant To Be 123.65
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\12 - Limozeen - Nite Mamas.wav 12 - Limozeen - Nite Mamas 82.91
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\13 - Marzipan f-Strong Bad - Sensitive To Bees.wav 13 - Marzipan f-Strong Bad - Sensitive To Bees 102.15
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\14 - Strong Bad - You've Got A Ugly And Stupid Butt.wav 14 - Strong Bad - You've Got A Ugly And Stupid Butt 130.97
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\15 - Coach Z - These Peoples Try To Fade Me.wav 15 - Coach Z - These Peoples Try To Fade Me 124.91
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\16 - Strong Bad - The Ladies In Town All Know My Name.wav 16 - Strong Bad - The Ladies In Town All Know My Name 146.17
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\17 - Strong Bad - The Theme From Dangeresque II- This Time It's Not Dangeresque I.wav 17 - Strong Bad - The Theme From Dangeresque II- This Time It's Not Dangeresque I 126.74
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\18 - Strong Bad - Somebody Told Me (Now I Believe Them).wav 18 - Strong Bad - Somebody Told Me (Now I Believe Them) 122.08
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\19 - Strong Bad, Strong Sad, And Strong Mad - The Cheat Is Not Dead.wav 19 - Strong Bad, Strong Sad, And Strong Mad - The Cheat Is Not Dead 153.31
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20 - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live).wav 20 - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live) 103.55
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20a - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live).wav 20a - Strong Bad - Everybody To The Limit (Live) 103.53
C:\My Music\Various Artists - Strong Bad Sings And Other Type Hits\20b - Homestar Runner - Secret Song.wav 20b - Homestar Runner - Secret Song 107.68

--{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:Is the BPM info really relevant/necessary? I don't object to it enough to revert without a discussion, but it seems unimportant to list. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

::BPMs are helpful to DJs, and listing track times is standard practice on Wikipedia for album articles. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 22:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::That's great, and I don't argue the track times, but how many DJs are consulting the wiki to use this disc in their mixes?? I really don't see the utility of this BPM info, it merely clutters the page. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I was kind of thinking of people doing remixes over at the fanstuff wiki --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Capitalization of track titles? ==
The capitalization of the track titles doesn't seem to match what's on the CD case ... I don't have time to fix it at the moment but I think the titles on here should be in the same case as on the CD case. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree. The titles are capitalized one way on the back of the cxase, another when viewing the tracks in WMP or other software. Which is the correct way? As there's no real means to solve that dilemma, "correct" capitalization (according to how it's done as a rule) has been used to make it standardized. BTW, should the video be in the track listing? It cannot be played in a CD player. I can buy Secret Song, even though it does not appear in the listing on the CD, but the video should go. It's listed lower down anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::I say, forget what the software says - there's no guarantee that TBC entered those titles in. We ''know'' that what's on the back of the CD was written by TBC. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Formatting ==

The heading hr crosses the floated table. Can this be repaired? I can't seem to make it happen. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

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