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User:Jqubed

2006-10-18T16:52:41Z

Jqubed: removed an old question

figured i ought to register... i'll probably just be editing grammar and spelling, or contributing fun facts... i'm a treasure trove of useless knowledge

colonization

2006-10-18T16:50:50Z

Jqubed: /* Real-World References */ Added the correct pronunciation for Houghton Mifflin

{{sbenav|90|local news|caffeine}}
[[Image:sbemail90.png|thumb|"This'll grow ya some nice fishcorn bushes"]]

Strong Bad is asked if he celebrates Thanksgiving like everyone else. He then shows a history book about the colonization of [[Strong Badia]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[Strong Badia]]

{{Comp|Compy 386}}

'''Date:''' November 25, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 1:56

'''Page Title:''' Compy 386!!

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Email me don't email me, email me don't email me. ''{He pulls up the email and reads it aloud.}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Hi Strong Bad! 
Do you celebrate thanksgiving 
normally? Or do you have special 
traditions for when Strong Badia was 
first colonized? What's the story 
about? 
 
From your Buddy, 
Shana Ma. 
Los Angeles, CA</blockquote>
''{Strong Bad reads "Shana Ma." as one word (Shanama). He also pronounces "Los Angeles" with a hard "g".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh, Shanama, the story of the colonization of Strong Badia is a tale as old as, say, the wireless Web ''{pause}'' or energy drinks maybe. It began in a period of strife...

''{Cut to a shot of an old book on a wooden table. It is open and pictures Strong Bad, in a pilgrim hat, squirting ketchup onto a plate of eggs, next to Strong Sad in a wig and typical 17th-century clothing.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' ...when I was being persecuted for my beliefs.

'''STRONG SAD''': ''{voiceover}'' Ewwww! Ketchup on eggs?!?

''{A caption reading "Ewwww! Ketchup on Eggs?!?" appears beneath the picture. The page turns to show Strong Bad reading the newspaper and seeing an ad saying "LOT FOR SALE! along with a page saying "Homestar declares eggs not a fruit."}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' I learned of a place where a man can be free. Free to do what he wants to do. Free to ketchup his eggs without being hassled by the man.

''{The page turns to show Strong Bad and The Cheat, also wearing a pilgrim hat, traveling across Free Country, USA, Strong Bad carrying a musket and eating a sandwich and The Cheat dragging a bag along behind him. A caption along the bottom reads "The Three Stout Sub Sandwiches: The Ham 'n' Swiss, The Dijon Chicken and the Veggie Delux."}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' So I set sail with three stout sub sandwiches, and my best The Cheat to find this mystical land.

''{The page turns to show the two of them meeting Bubs, who is waving at them, wearing a Sioux-style feather headband and wearing a loincloth.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' I met a strange man who had strange ways and strange odors.

''{The page turns to show Strong Badia in front of a glorious sunrise, above a caption reading "The Neu Wirlde."}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' And he led me to the new world, out beyond the dumpsters.

''{The page turns to show the Tire falling onto The Cheat, whose hat is sent flying from his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' There was a brief struggle with the indigenous peoples.

''{The page turns to show Strong Bad handing Bubs the rent check.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' At last, we reached an agreement to peacefully co-exist in this land, after I gave him my first and last months' rent deposit.

''{The page turns to show a ploughed field where Bubs is planting a fish. Strong Bad is looking at him, holding a fish and a corn cob in his hand.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' Then the strange man probably showed me how to put fish in the ground with corn, for some reason.

'''BUBS''': ''{voiceover}'' This'll grow ya some nice fishcorn bushes!

''{A caption reading "This'll grow ya some nice fishcorn bushes" appears at the bottom of the page. The page turns to show Bubs, The Cheat and Strong Bad sitting at a picnic table in Strong Badia, feasting on fast food.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{voiceover}'' Then we celebrated with a feast of some cold Hardee's he had laying around.

''{Cut back to the Compy.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{typing}'' So there you have it, Shana... Shanamana... ''{singing}'' Shanamanamanamanamana tonight! That shoulda been in your history books at school. I gotta get on those people over at Hoofton Mifflin. Those guys are slackin off. ''{stops typing}'' Okay, so until next week, leave me alone!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*After the email is over, click the first part of the word Shanamanamanamanana and Strong Bad will "Shanama" into some songs.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing to the tune of "O Canada"}'' O Shanama... Do do doot doot doot doo... ''{stops singing}'' What else is there? Shana... Shanamatopoeia. Ooh, how 'bout this? ''{singing to the tune of "Panama" by Van Halen}'' Shanama! Shanama ho ho ho huh ho!
*Click on the the words "history books" to hear Homestar Runner address the imaginary masses.
:''{Cut to a page in a history book with a drawing of Homestar, dressed in Colonial American attire (with powdered wig), with text below it reading "Homestar Runner addresses the imaginary masses." The imaginary masses cheer.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' A-hem. From this day forward, I hereby declare eggs... not to be... a fruit!
:''{The imaginary masses cheer.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yes, yes, quiet down. And furthermore, no longer shall dirty diapers be accepted as legal tender!
:''{The imaginary masses cheer.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hang on, I got one more. Henceforth, those named Henry will no longer be allowed to call themselves Hank. That's just too much of a stretch.
:''{The imaginary masses cheer. Homestar smiles.}''

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*"Shanamatopoeia" is a play on the literary term "Onomatopoeia", defined as a word that sounds like what it represents, such as "sizzle", "pop", or "crackle". Onomatopoeia is frequently used in comic books such as Batman.

===Remarks===
*According to the later e-mail [[monument]], the [[Stop Sign]] and [[Cinder Block]] make up a monument of Strong Bad's right foot. However, they are shown in this e-mail as being part of the area when Strong Bad bought it from Bubs.
*We learn in this e-mail that Bubs owns Strong Badia (which is located behind the dumpsters), and Strong Bad just rents it from him. This fact may explain why Strong Bad said "Maybe get a little place in Strong Badia" in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].
**Despite this, it says in the [[Periodicals|Bubsifieds]] that there is a lot for sale

===Inside References===
*The crowd cheers in the second Easter egg are from [[A Decemberween Pageant]] and [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]].
*Strong Badia was originally established as being "out behind the dumpsters" in [[i rule]].

===Real-World References===
*The entire story is based on the historical accounts of the [[Wikipedia:Pilgrims|Pilgrims]] founding the [[Wikipedia:Plymouth Colony|Plymouth Colony]], after they were persecuted for their religious beliefs in [[Wikipedia:England|England]].
**Although the story is mainly based upon the Pilgrims, the "Three Stout Sub Sandwiches" most likely reference the [[Wikipedia:Niña|Niña]], the [[Wikipedia:Pinta|Pinta]], and the [[Wikipedia:Santa María (ship)|Santa María]], the three ships used by [[Wikipedia:Christopher Columbus|Christopher Columbus]] to travel across the Atlantic Ocean and discover the New World.
*"Shanama, Shanama ho ho ho ho ho!" is sung to the tune of "Panama" by [[Wikipedia:Van Halen|Van Halen]]; "O Shanama" is to the tune of "[[Wikipedia:O Canada|O Canada]]" the Canadian national anthem.
**Strong Bad's rendition of "O Shanama" is slightly off - the final "doo" should have been sung as a C# instead of an F#.
*Homestar declaring [[Eggs|eggs]] not to be a fruit may be a reference to the famous 1893 Supreme Court decision ([http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=149&invol=304 Nix v. Hedden]) that [[Wikipedia:Tomato#Controversies|tomatoes were not fruit]].
*Bubs planting fish-corn bushes is a reference to when the Native Americans showed the Pilgrims how to grow corn (they used fish heads as fertilizer).
*"Hoofton Mifflin" is a misspelling (and mispronunciation) of scholastic publisher [[Wikipedia:Houghton Mifflin|Houghton Mifflin]].
**Houghton Mifflin is correctly pronounced HOE-ton MIF-lin.
*[[Wikipedia:Hardee%27s|Hardee's]] is a fast-food chain primarily [http://cke.know-where.com/hardees/ located] in the Southeastern and Midwestern United States.

== External Links ==
{{preforumsbemailextlinks|90}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Holiday Toons]]

Talk:colonization

2006-08-28T04:40:52Z

Jqubed: Houghton Mifflin

==Hardee's==
Hardees is known as Carls Jr in other states, such as California

==Joint Custody==
'''DELETED''' Look at this... [[Strong Bad]] and [[Bubs]] SHARE Strongbadia via a treaty. RHRN
:Ah; now I've gone back and read it more carefully. The important line is

<blockquote>''{The page turns to show Strong Bad handing Bubs the rent check.}''
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' At last, we reached an agreement to peacefully co-exist in this land, after I gave him my first and last months' rent deposit.</blockquote>

I think that pretty clearly says Strong Bad rents from Bubs. So really Bubs owns it. Strong Bad's clearly feels like it's his, since he introduces it as his kingdom in [[flag day]], and Bubs never seems to show any interest in it, but unless Bubs gave it to him at some point we don't know about, Strong Bad's still a tenant. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

What's a tenant? RHRN

==Closed STUFF==

=== Until next week... ===
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.
*'''Severe decline.''' Since he says this in many emails, it's irrelivant which one is the "last" one. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 12:57, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' Not important at all. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept for now.''' Once he says it again, though, it should be changed. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:28, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. Well, this is a stupid Fun Fact. Do you know for sure this is the last one? And if so, are you some kind of future seer? And if so, what kind of future do you see? Do you use this information for good, or for awesome? Would you like to join forces with Strong Bad? He just happens to be the greatest criminal mind of our time. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:36, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' He means it's the last one so far genius. [[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 12:10, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' What is with the attitude? Are you badamn_187, by any chance? [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:04, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' ...for the simple fact that he actually hadn't said it in a LONG time before this e-mail. I'm not going through them all to find the next closest time he says it, but a slightly more acceptable form would be, "This is the only time since [whatever] that Strong Bad has ended an e-mail with a line that includes 'So until next week'..." and even then, it's a tenuous item. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:29, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This shouldn't have been STUFFed. It should have just been deleted. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:04, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Fishcorn ==

I'm pretty sure I've heard this joke before... the approximate wording was "and then the Indians taught us how to grow corn by planting it with fish" "or maybe they were just trying to grow fishcorn!" so.. either a coincidence, or that comic or TBC are joke thieves! :O

== Shanama ==

I made the indented entry regarding Strong Bad's singing mistake in "O Shanama." I was thinking about putting it as a Goof, but I wanted to have it together with the Real-World Reference (O Canada). What do you guys think? [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 03:15, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

== Cheering ==

The cheering mentioned in the Remarks section is actually found in many other cartoons. One example is [[mascot]]. There are many more. Does this qualify as an inside joke or something?
:Check out [[Sound Effects]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Houghton Mifflin ==

I recently found out the correct pronunciation for Houghton Mifflin, which was something I'd always wondered about. Should we add it as a sub-fact in the real-world references? It's pronounced hoe-ton mif-lin. I might even be able to upload a sound sample of it; I heard the correct pronunciation on an accompanying CD for a phonetics course (so I'm sure they'd have the correct pronunciation).

autobiography

2006-05-05T19:30:14Z

Jqubed: /* Fast Forward */ Linked to senior prom, which links to this page

{{sbenav|67|the show|caper}}

[[Image:sbemail67.PNG|thumb|"...Milk and cookies shot out my nose!"]]

Dan from PA asks Strong Bad if he will write an autobiography on his life.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Coach Z}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Race Track]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' March 24, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:43

'''Page Title:''' Compy 386!

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' This email is brought to you by a grant from The Cheat ''{a logo of The Cheat appears, captioned "The Cheat since 1983"}'' and the support of Viewers Like You. ''{"Viewers Like You" appears}''

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Hey Strong Bad! 
Have you ever considered writing a 
biography on your life? I think it 
would be a very cool idea since 
everyone likes you anyway. I mean, 
no one wants to read about a boring 
person, like Strong Sad, or anything 
like that. 
 
Dan, PA</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad temporarily stops and says "That's true!" after reading "everyone likes you anyway," and reads "Dan, PA" as "Dan from Pennsylvania"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wait a minute... lemme check something... ''{runs spellchecka.exe; it says "0 spelling errors found!"}'' No way! ''{typing}'' No misspellings, a good idea, made fun of Strong Sad ... don't get me wrong, Dan, I mean, I wanna make fun of you but, uh, you've put together a solid email!

''{While saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm gonna print this thing out and save it for posterity. Maybe a little prosperity.

''{He runs print_of_it.exe and the email prints out via [[The Paper]]. He tears it off and starts typing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, Dan, you big, dumb moron. I've actually already begun work on my memoirs. It's a new books-on-tape series called "Words I Probably Said" by Strong Bad. ''{stops typing}'' Let's take a listen.

''{Cut to the booOOMbox. There is a cassette tape in it with the title of Strong Bad's series and the words "Tape One." Strong Bad presses play.}''

'''STRONG BAD ON TAPE:''' —and Reg had the ball at the top of the key, and I was all like, "I'm open! I'm open!" But somebody musta slipped him some drugs or something before the game because he didn't see me and he passed it to the Deke instead and the Deke SLAM-DUNKED IT! Oh, it was my greatest moment on the court! I was trying to high-five everyone in sight but there was a lot of commotion and excitement and...the Deke accidentally shoved me to the ground and called me a—

''{Strong Bad hits fast-forward; the tape squeals.)''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oop! We'll skip on ahead here.

''{Strong Bad lets go of the fast forward button, and the tape continues.}''

'''STRONG BAD ON TAPE:''' —and she was a very, ''very'' special lady. And she loved me ''so much'' and had skinny blonde hair and was always hanging out at the beach, gazing at a photo of me... Too bad when she had to go to another planet for reasons too complex to elaborate on. I'll probably never see her again. And neither will any of you.

'''STRONG BAD:''' That was a true part! Let's skip ahead again.

''{Strong Bad hits fast-forward again for a minute, then stops.}''

'''STRONG BAD ON TAPE:''' —but the Cheat couldn't stop laughing and I didn't know what the big deal was until I saw the piece of paper...I just about lost it!

''{A piece of notebook paper is shown showing Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat, labeled "us," with an arrow pointing to lots of dollar signs, labeled "money."}''

'''STRONG BAD ON TAPE:''' Milk and cookies shot out of my nose! Oh! It was a great idea. And it just might work!

''{Strong Bad leans into view.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' And it ''did'' work! All right, that's enough. You heard enough... of my secrets.

''{Strong Bad seats himself back in front of the Compy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, you get the picture. I mean it's gonna be great. People will listen to it when they go on roadtrips. Maybe play it on their Walkman when they go jogging in the park. I mean, I bet it'll make people wanna run faster because of how good it is. That thing could double as one of those weightloss tapes. ''{stops typing}'' Okay. Take it away, The Paper! Preeeeeeeeowwwww... Come on. Preeeeeeowwwwweeee. What's the d—?

''{The Paper comes down}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh. Musta been a paper jam.

== Easter Eggs ==
*When you see Strong Bad's tapes come up, you can click on them to show the tapes inside. You can then click again to see the back of the box, mostly showing what Ike had to say.
<pre>Here's what they're
probably saying about
"Words I Probably Said"

"Hootie Hoo!"
-Ike Turner

"Hootie Hoo!"
-Ike Turner

"A nice, smooooth
drive."
-Ike Turner

"Hootie Hoo!"
-Tex Arcana</pre>
*When you hear Strong Bad talk about "[[The Deke|Deke]]," you can click on the speaker to see a Deke trading card.
*When the sketch of the Strong Brothers' big idea comes up, you can click on it to see further details.
*At the very end you can click on "weightloss tapes" to see how effective the tapes just might be!
:''{Cut to what appears to be a track in the field. Coach Z is standing nearby looking at a stopwatch, while The King of Town slowly jogs by wearing a jogging suit, headband, and a Walkman. We can faintly hear Strong Bad's voice from the tape in the background.}''
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Keep movin'! Work off the weight! This is a new beginning for the KoT! Oof!
:'''COACH Z:''' This is a dark day for track and field.

== Fun Facts ==
===Remarks===
*Oddly enough, two of the three tapes in the box and the one in the player are all labeled tape one. The other is labeled Tape 3.
*"print_of_it.exe" is the first of Strong Bad programs other than "strongbad_email.exe" that incorporate an underscore.
*This is the first time in a real email where The Paper prints something other than the "email Strong Bad" message.
*The King of Town's tapeplayer says "Sports Use."

===Goofs===
*While the radio is shown, and you have opened the tape box so you can see the three tapes, Strong Bad's gloves go oddly under the tape box.
*At the end of the email, there is not an "a>" and the back link extends a considerable distance to the left of the word "back." In fact, it extends to the left edge of the Compy.
*The printing sound is extended a second too long. This is probably because of the work needed to do on the paper jam.

===Inside References===
*The girl with skinny blonde hair is possibly a reference to the song "Circles", which features a skinny blonde girl, and to [[theme party]] (which is where "Circles" originated).
*The radio that plays the autobiography looks like the radio Strong Bad is listening to at the pool in [[A Jumping Jack Contest|A Jumping Jack Contest.]]

===Real-World References===
*Strong Bad's intro ("This email is brought to you by a grant from The Cheat and the support of Viewers Like You") comes from the start of most [[Wikipedia:Public Broadcasting Service|Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)]] television programs.
*The only thing that was probably said that Ike didn't say (see [[autobiography#Easter Eggs|Easter Eggs]]) was by Tex Arcana. This is probably a play off the town of [[Wikipedia:Texarkana, Texas|Texarkana]], a town divided by the Texas/Arkansas border.
*[[Wikipedia:Ike Turner|Ike Turner]] was a bandleader for the sixties best known for his work with his wife, [[Wikipedia:Tina Turner|Tina Turner]].
*The tape Strong Bad presumably took out of the boom box to exchange with his autobiographical tape was put into the case. It's labeled "SHAQ-FU." "Shaq-Fu: Da Return" was an album release on Jive records in November of 1994 featuring [[Wikipedia:Shaquille O'Neal|Shaquille O'Neal]]. A single from this album was released with the [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]] [[Wikipedia:Shaq Fu|video game]] of the same name.
*"Hootie Hoo" is the name of a song by the band [[Wikipedia:OutKast|OutKast]].
*The King of Town's Walkman resembles a Sony Sports Walkman portable AM/FM radio and cassette player.

===Fast Forward===
*"[[Preeeeow]]" would be used again many times later as the onomatopoeia for The Paper's sound effect.
*Part of Strong Bad's first story would later be said by Coach Z in [[anything]].
*Strong Bad fakes a phone message from a girl named Delilelia who had to go to Mars and thus could not go to a dance with him in [[senior prom]]. This might be the same person as the girl with skinny blonde hair.

== DVD Version ==
*All Easter eggs are accessible by using your DVD player's angle button.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail67.html|watch "autobiography"]]
*[[HR:sbemail67.swf|view the Flash file for "autobiography"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

Talk:autobiography

2006-05-05T19:28:22Z

Jqubed: /* Fast Forward */ Updating my comment

== Fast Forward ==
Should we put in a link to [[senior prom]] regarding the girl with skinny blonde hair? Senior prom refers back to this. I was thinking something along the lines of:
:Strongbad fakes a message on an answering machine from a girl who had to go to Mars and thus could not go to a dance with him in [[senior prom]], possibly the same person as the girl with skinny blonde hair.
I was wondering if we should mention Delilelia by name.--{{User:Jqubed/sig}} 04:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:I'm going to put in:
::Strong Bad fakes a phone message from a girl named Delilelia who had to go to Mars and thus could not go to a dance with him in [[senior prom]]. This might be the same person as the girl with skinny blonde hair.
:—{{User:Jqubed/sig}} 19:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== "back" link ==

The "back" link works like an inch left of the word back. Is this worth noting and does it happen anywhere else? --[[User:ninja pirate|ninja pirate]] 17:37, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)

Nope it is a valid glitch. I was looking over emails and saw you guys didn't have this one listed.

== dumpus note ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wait a minute... lemme check something... ''{runs spellchecka.exe, it says "0 spelling errors found!"}'' No way! ''{typing}'' No misspellings, a good idea, made fun of Strong Sad ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' ... don't get me wrong, Dan, I mean, I wanna make fun of you but, uh, you've put together a solid email! ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}''

---

I removed the ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' because that note is already taken care of in ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}''. Is there a reason why you kept this, HR Coder? --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:She probably didn't notice the bottom part. Personally I think we should reword it- keep the "''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' and remove this part from the "''{No misspellings + good idea...}''" part. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Aye, but if we put in ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' and remove ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}'', shouldn't we then have to also put in ''{types "+ good idea"}'', ''{types "= SOLID!!"}'' where necessary? Wouldn't it be easier to only have ''{...he types "No misspellings + good idea..."}''? -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, wait. I see where you're coming from. That idea is much better, yes. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Oh, sorry about that. Guess I was confused. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I took it out. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== No grammar errors, maybe ==

But Dan should have said "autobiography," not "biography"

Talk:autobiography

2006-05-05T04:47:40Z

Jqubed: Suggesting a Fast Forward link to Senior Prom email

== Fast Forward ==
Should we put in a link to [[senior prom]] regarding the girl with skinny blonde hair? Senior prom refers back to this. I was thinking something along the lines of:
:Strongbad fakes a message on an answering machine from a girl who had to go to Mars and thus could not go to a dance with him in [[senior prom]], possibly the same person as the girl with skinny blonde hair.
I was wondering if we should mention Delilelia by name.--{{User:Jqubed/sig}} 04:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== "back" link ==

The "back" link works like an inch left of the word back. Is this worth noting and does it happen anywhere else? --[[User:ninja pirate|ninja pirate]] 17:37, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)

Nope it is a valid glitch. I was looking over emails and saw you guys didn't have this one listed.

== dumpus note ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wait a minute... lemme check something... ''{runs spellchecka.exe, it says "0 spelling errors found!"}'' No way! ''{typing}'' No misspellings, a good idea, made fun of Strong Sad ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' ... don't get me wrong, Dan, I mean, I wanna make fun of you but, uh, you've put together a solid email! ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}''

---

I removed the ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' because that note is already taken care of in ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}''. Is there a reason why you kept this, HR Coder? --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:11, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:She probably didn't notice the bottom part. Personally I think we should reword it- keep the "''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' and remove this part from the "''{No misspellings + good idea...}''" part. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Aye, but if we put in ''{types "dumpus" in place of Strong Sad}'' and remove ''{while saying this, he types "No misspellings + good idea + made fun of dumpus = SOLID!!"}'', shouldn't we then have to also put in ''{types "+ good idea"}'', ''{types "= SOLID!!"}'' where necessary? Wouldn't it be easier to only have ''{...he types "No misspellings + good idea..."}''? -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, wait. I see where you're coming from. That idea is much better, yes. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Oh, sorry about that. Guess I was confused. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I took it out. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== No grammar errors, maybe ==

But Dan should have said "autobiography," not "biography"

Talk:Stinkoman 20X6 Trivia

2006-02-14T05:47:01Z

Jqubed: suggested trivia for level 3

== Rain Drops in Level 3 ==
I learned in a meteorology class tonight that rain drops do not have the teardrop shape when falling such as shown in level 3, but instead look spherical or like a flattened sphere... I'm not sure if this is really trivia worthy, but it could be written up:
:Contrary to popular belief, falling rain drops do not have a tear-drop shape such as shown in level 3. Instead, rain drops have a spherical or flattened spherical shape when falling.
Should it be STUFF'd? —{{User:Jqubed/sig}} 05:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:technology

2006-02-07T04:03:43Z

Jqubed: responding to Sundance suggestion

==Extrapolates voice==
"extrapolates voice"? I, uh, don't think that word means what you think it means.
I'd correct it, but I can't think of anything better than "adopts a high-pitched voice"

Oh, and also, I've actually seen "Computers don't BYTE" posters. In the back of libraries, where even the librarians don't go anymore.

==Endless Square?==
*That doesn't seem right. It looks the the screen saver alternates between turning left and right, making it an endless zig-zag. And that doesn't seem to be worth mentioning. ~Ostrichburger
**I concur, and I changed it to indicate alternating left/right. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*Take a better look. Its actually just one corridor like end----end with the camera turning around to go back the other way. And, if you think about it, this actually makes a bit more sense from an sbemail humor standpoint. ~SuperKawaiiNeko
** I agree with that - JamesDean

==Has anyone tried...==
*To decode what Strong Bad was saying in binary?[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**You could. [http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php This] is a handy web-based utility. Short of decoding it yourself. ;) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
***Actually, that doesn't work because Strong Bad doesn't say a number of characters divisable by 8, so all the decoder is doing is adding 0's to make up for the lack of bits. And could whoever put the translation specify which coding you are using? eaglescout1984 30 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
***Actually ASCII is 7 bit system. -- Crowther
****Well, I'm still trying to find out if he is saying anything. I get lost, though. I have this so far: 1001101 means...m.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*****I don't have time to try again but I got 9945 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 213 + 210 + 29 + 27 + 26 24 + 23 + 20 = {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
******I don't think it adds up to anything now. I've used all of those programs, and they just come out with mainly this:�.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*******If you're using Windows, just open up Calculator, put it in Scientific mode, switch to Binary, enter 1001101101100, then switch it to Decimal mode again. It confirms that Strong Bad's binary translates to 9945 in decimal.
*******That said, I don't think his binary speak means anything in particular. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**For that matter, has anyone decoded what Strong Bad said in Semaphore? Or was he even doing real semaphore? -Ed
***Well, in Morse code, it's EMITEAUN if zero is a dot; TIMETNGA if zero is a dash. --[[User:Sgleason|S Gleason]] 04:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar Flying==
*Why on earth does homestar fly up the left side of the screen? What's that all about? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
**I'm not sure--it seemed to be more of a glitch than something done intentionally. Unless it was a callback to [[virus]]. TBC have a habit of referencing their older cartoons. [[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
:::I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. The way Homestar Runner said "four" made it seem like it was done intentionally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I think it was just a little addition to the ridicul-ous way he raised his pitch.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:52, 30 January
2006 (UTC)
:::::It has to be intentional, not a glitch, because Bubs' eyes follow Homestar up as he flies away. And how could it be a reference to [[virus]]? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
::::::I bet he was raised by wireless wires. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If TBC wanted it to be a reference to virus, they would have made Homestar with The Homestar Runner's body, they would have made his head come off, and they would have made those weird shadowy things appear behind him. It's probably just your everyday Homestar randomness. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::haha... I thought so. Everyday randomness, indeed![[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
:::::::::I was thinking maybe it has something to do with the way that Strong Bad rises up also when he says "I'll be your best friend!" Maybe they had SB rise up when he spoke in a higher pitch and in a sing-song tone, so they thought it would be funny if Homestar flew up when he spoke particularly high and sing-song. There's my theory. --Der Pepper
::::::::::Nah...it obviously has something to do with wireless extension cords.--vl-tone

Just curious, did anyone see anything strange on the .swf file before it got black-boardered? -- Nobody Important (NI)

The way he flies up also kind of looks like that glitch in Double Dragon where you can get people to fly up off the screen.

== The Amber Screen ==

The screen in whihc Strong Bad describes how to select an email address is coloured Amber. this is a reference to a time in the mid 80's when Amber replaced green as the principle colour for monochrome screens. It was supposed to reduce eye strain or something.
--"Creepy Pants man"

I remember we had one of those amber monochrome screens.. Well, I was pretty little. I remember it being quite like that - that same color, with the diagonal-ish lines going up it.
No, I don't remember what year this would be.. probably very early 90's. (Probably just happened to have one.)
-- [[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 01:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I would add that it's similar to the Tandy SB used to have. -- User who doesn't want to tell you his name (UWDWTTYHN)

The [http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html Compaq Portable III] had an amber screen. Sigh ... ahhhhhh, for the good old days! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Clarke's Third Law ==

It seems to me that Strongbad was referencing ''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law'' with:

''The word technology... means... magic. It's basically anything that's really cool that you don't know how it works. And if it breaks, you have to buy a new one. Why, I've got some technology beneath my pants right now! Whoo-ya!''

''''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law:''''
''Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.''

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_Third_Law Arthur C. Clarke's Laws]

--Kitsula

:Oh. I just plain added the thing just now. Incidentally, although I didn't include it, it's even more similar to [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm this corollary]. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] Jan 30 2006, 3:44PM EST

==Catacombs==

When SB said "catacombs," the first thing I thought of was the second dungeon in the original Bard's Tale game, which used the first-person viewpoint as well. I'm sure other games had tombs/catacombs as well, since it's a standard RPG element. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:I was instantly reminded of DungeonQuest, with the Catacombs expansion pack. The screen saver itself resembles a first-person perspective of an extremely boring game of DungeonQuest (no catacombs). -Ed

::Yeah, but the screen saver itself is just a clone of "3D Maze", which was one of a series of free 3D screen savers supplied with Win98. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:::What about adding a bullet along the lines of "Catacombs were a common setting for dungeons in 1980s RPGs, such as the Bard's Tale and DungeonQuest." The 1980s might be superfluous, since tombs and catacombs are still popular settings in RPGs, but the feel of that screensaver is very '80s, and TBC love to make references to '80s games. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::The "feel" of the screensaver may be '80s, but that would be a very incorrect reference - that screensaver didn't exist until '96 or '97. (Besides, I doubt you'd find an RPG-style catacomb made up of brick walls.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I never said that the screensaver was actually from the '80s. The point is that the choice of the word "catacombs" was probably a deliberate reference to one or more 1980s games. "Catacombs" isn't exactly a word in the common vernacular, and as you said, it's odd that Strong Bad would refer to a maze of brick walls as catacombs unless TBC were referring to something specific. | [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 20:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::My guess is they were referring to the maze game itself, as it felt like you were going through some dungeon or catacombs. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I remember having that screensaver when I was a kid.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I remember an uncle or somebody having an old computer (not amber-screen or green-screen old, but still) with a game like this, it was a giant, brick wall maze game. Forgot the name, though. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

==I can make mine say oboe shoes!==
Heh. Does anyone else like it when TBC refrence calculator words in such a funny way?
So, one time, in third grade, I remember a few kids typing

7734

on the calculators, and then turned them upside down. As you may of guessed, the H word was on the calculator screen. Very amusing. Especially when we could spell our teacher's first name on the
calculator. Weird. So does anybody like calculator words? - Oopsyoubwokeit (not logged in)
:It's a pretty common thing... I've done it before, but I don't particularily like it... - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::Calculator talk is fun. There's 55378008, 58008, 0.7734, and a lot more I can't remember right now. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Some Hebrew words can be typed on a calculator to! like 71070 or 7109179 (no need to turn it upside down for it!) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::It's very similar to 1337. Now they have those calculators that type letters, though. Boo...--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 11:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, those are awesome! My friend has a TI one (the same kind that the calculator-drawn The Cheat was drawn on a long time ago) and we type notes back and forth in math on it. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== The Cheatbot ==

I'm not going to STUFF this because it'd probably get denied right away, and I'm definitely not going to just add it to the email's fun facts list because it'd be taken off right away. In fact, I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a fun fact...it's fun to me, at least. Anyway, might could Strong Bad's mentioning of robot's purpose (other than destroying Japan) to be to serve hors d'œuvres be a reference to the first scene of The Second Renaissance? Just think about. And no, I'm not going to put a Wikipedia link to it, it's only worth discussing if you've actually seen TSR. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 22:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:If by "Second Renaissance", you're referring to episodes 2 and 3 of Animatrix, then I know what you're talking about. And I think that's a stretch - the idea of service robots that can do all sorts of menial tasks has been around much much longer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:PS: Just like when you were making fun of my name, I still think you're making things a lot harder on yourself with all that excess verbiage there. You know how much harder it is to type all that than just to type <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Animatrix|Animatrix]]</nowiki>? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

::Yes...I do. I do indeed, KieferSkunk. And do ''you'' know how much harder it is to type a message telling someone to type less in their messages on Homestar Runner Wiki talk pages, which is a decision that doesn't affect you or anyone else other than the one who types the message, than to type nothing at all, which is what would be better for everyone? And what else would I mean by ''Second Renaissance'' than the Animated Matrix episodes? I wouldn't care to hazard a guess. Plus, the only examples of fiction I can think of with robots that serve orderves are the 2nd Ren-sawnce, and <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Clone High|Clone High</nowiki>]]. And I'm guessing Strong Bad wouldn't be referencing old Mr. Butlertron. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Eh, it's not that hard for me. I type at over 100 WPM. That's not the point, though - I'm just trying to suggest ways to be less laborious and to allow yourself to be taken more seriously (at least in my opinion - I obviously don't speak for everyone). When I see "I'm not gonna bother to look this up, just gonna spew it out anyway", I see someone who is making a point of being lazy, and most of the time I tend to skip over the entirety of what they said as a result. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::As for the last part of that: See [[Template:STUFF/technology|STUFF]] for quite a few examples of servant robots. It's pretty much gotten into TTATOT territory by now. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::::when I was a kid the cool thing to type in was 71077345

==Email Song==
Does the email song sound familiar to anyone else? I tried googling some of the key words to figure out which song it comes from, but no luck. It reminds me of something I've heard on a classic rock station though. Maybe fleetwood mac? --[[User:Racerx is Alive|racerx_is_alive]] 22:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't put my finger on it, but it isn't Fleetwood Mac (the closest I can come up with in this vein is that it shares a similar sort of tone to "The Chain", but not an actual series of notes or lyrics). [[User:Yaztromo|Yaztromo]] 11:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Schrödinger's cat?==

I'm not sure, so I didn't want to add this as a fun fact, and I didn't feel like going through all the STUFF stuff. Anyway, does anyone else think that the half alive/half dead goat is a reference to schrodinger's cat? [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:No, I don't. {{unsigned|220.237.71.13|01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)}}
::I think it's possible - here's the Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Schrödinger's cat|Schrodinger's Cat]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I's more of a reference to "Is the glass half empty or half full?", that psycological question used to determine if someone is optimistic or pessimistic. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Second''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 16:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The question on the paper is a reference to the glass half empty quesiton. It's a pretty big stretch to say it's a reference to Schrodinger's Cat, though I'll admit it does have some connections. And Schrodinger's Goat would be pretty funny. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 07:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Digits of Pi ==

I don't entirely like the sentence "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the most common representation of pi." under the fun facts heading. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but 3.14 is not a representation of pi, it is a representation of the number 3.14 which is not pi. Perhaps a better sentence could be something of the form "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the first few digits of pi".
:Perhaps "most common approximation" might work better? [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 03:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::I agree and have just changed it. -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 06:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Approximation is a better word, thanks. I do think "representation" is a correct word, as that's what most people think pi is, or at least what most people use when doing formulas with pi by hand. (It's also what a lot of math textbooks tell you to use.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Or worse, they would tell you to use 22/7, which is only 3.14 truncated and is nowhere near pi. However, most [[Wikipedia:Texas Instruments|TI calculators]] use ''3.141592654'' for best approximation when graphing or calculating circles. I agree with you both, as no matter how many digits you calculate to, it is still an approximate value. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. As far as I know, pi goes on forever. Also, I just opened Windows Calculator. Seems using 22/7 is a very bad idea, as that number is actually ''bigger'' than pi. As far as I know, pi is irrational--there's no fraction that exactly equals it. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 01:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yes, pi does go on forever. The whole point of using 22/7 was to make fractional calculations easier (particularly in the days before calculators). 3.14 would have been a pain to calculate when the rest of the formula is in integral fractions. pi is not just irrational, but also transcendental. Irrational means it can't be expressed as a fraction. Transcendental means that it can't be expressed as the root of a polynomial equation (e.g. square root of two is irrational, but not transcendental, as it cannot be represented by a fraction, but is a root of the equation x2 - 2 = 0. EdB

==Cell phone movie festival==
Hey, when was this email released? Because if it was after 5 am, we've got another case of creepy last-minute coincidence between a real-world broadcast and a sbemail (granted, NPR ain't Family Guy): check out [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5175556 this report on Morning Edition] about a guy writing, directing, and producing a movie on his cell phone... and hoping to win a festival. At any rate, the [http://www.cellflixfestival.org/ festival itself] might merit mention. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Great leaping ocelots, that's amazing! Nice find! --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Forward Right...==
*The screensaver goes in an endless loop of Forward, Right, Forward, Left, as shown here:

<code> ---- end
|
|---- end
| |
end |---- end
| |
end |...</code>
I don't think it goes like this. It looks to me like its forward right, forward right, in a big square. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:It seems to turn randomly left or right to me... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe the behavior is different at different times or for different people? It looks to me like a movie clip, but there could be more code in there than that. Every time I've watched it, though, it's gone left/right/left/right, etc. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah I saw it go left/right/left/right... too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I just realized that the little picture up there is correct, but if you were actually walking across those lines, it would be right,forward,right,forward. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== .swf changed. ==

The .swf file has changed from the original to completly black around the primary screen. {{User:Count X/sig}}
:Yeah, someone mentioned that somewheres. This and death metal, I think are like that. {{User:Salty/sig}} 13:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Worthless screensaver ==

That Screen Saver that Strong Bad is so proud of isn't gonna do the job. Anyone who has gone to an arcade can tell you about machines where the words "Game Over" or "Insert Coin(s)" has been literaly burned either into the glass or onto the colored mesh of the display. This is visible even when playing the game. HOWEVER, the point of a screen saver is to consistantly change the colors of these pixels so that the screen never has a chance of getting burned. While he's running his saver, the bottom part of the maze (probably about 3" of his screen) is always that dark yellowish color. Surely that would get burned into his screen if he runs it too long. -[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 17:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:That's true.. however, the Lappy has an LCD screen. Can LCDs get burn-in? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 20:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Nope. LCD panels don't burn-in. Plus, most CRT screens these days have built-in protection against burn-in. It's not to say that they will NEVER burn in, but a screen saver like that would be unlikely to cause burn-in even on a CRT screen. It has partly to do with the contrast and brightness of the screen, partly to do with the intensity of the colors, and also the specific technology the CRT is using. Older CRTs, like in the arcade games, and cheaper CRTs not of computer-monitor grade, are more likely to burn-in simply due to those factors. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::LCDs don't burn like normal CRTs because they're made differently. They can, however, be damaged by direct sunlight or physical abuse (heh, what can't?). I wasn't arguing that his screen would get burned, I'm just saying that as far as screen savers go, this one's bunk. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 05:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

::: You would think that the point of a screen saver would be to constantly change pixel colors, wouldn't you? But unfortunately the real point of all too many of them is simply to get you to download the screen saver, or to visit the website where it's hosted, or to purchase the product it's bundled with; what happens after that, they doesn't care. Probably more people use them for entertainment than for monitor upkeep. Think about all those stupid "aquariums" you've seen where the ocean floor is essentially constant. So Strong Bad's screen saver is, in fact, an accurate representation: looks interesting, but does nothing (or makes matters worse). {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah pretty much what Bill Martinson (wb!) says is pretty much right on the money. Case in point: my labmate has a cool-looking screensaver of this futuristic looking room with a flame in the center. Only the flame colors move. Nowadays I think the need for screensavers has been reduced significantly by that (sometimes) nice powersave feature modern monitors have. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad knows it's a Floppy Disk ==

In email #75 ("funny") he says "I can tape a floppy disk to my forehead". It's a 3.5" floppy. Just thought I'd point that out.
:Ooh. Now that's an observation worthy of a remark if ever there was one. Nice figuring. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== The Screensaver in general. ==

The screensaver is an obvious reference to the 3D Maze screensaver on windows 95 and later (I don't think it's on XP though), so why was my addition deleted? - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Your edit was reverted because that reference was already listed near the top of the Real World References. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Damn, I always do that (by accident) - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 08:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== .5 or ½ ==

When refuring to floppy disk shouldn't their size be in fractions? For example 3½" floppy instead of 3.5" floppy. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 05:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:I see 3.5 much more often that 3½ - [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Both are acceptable, and 3.5 is much easier to type. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
On [[Wikipedia:Floppy|Wikipedia]] its written as "5¼-inch" and "3½-inch". So I thought I would ask. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 23:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Fixed. Wow, that's the biggest contribution I've made to the wiki yet! ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 02:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I disagree with the validity of this change. Unless you can find a unicode or symbol code for "one-half", I don't recommend using it over decimal places. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::You can use &#188; and &#189; (the unicode values for the symbols already being used) <s>but there's no real advantage of them over the straight-up ¼ and ½, and they're harder to read in the wiki source</s>... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Wait... there's &frac12; and &frac14; – perhaps we should use them. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::We could indeed. It's probably eaisier to recognize anyway. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Well, it's good to see that at least my change wasn't reverted. You have no idea how discouraging it is when that happens, especially when you think you've made a valid contribution. We're told to "be bold" when editing articles, but... ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
::::::::Don't feel bad, Bruce. It takes time to "settle in". :) By being bold, you learn how to distinguish good edits from bad ones. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cell Phone Videos ==

It seems to be at least worth mentioning that the President's of the United States vdieo for Some Postman was indeed filmed entirely with cell phone cameras, specifically 12 Sony Ericsson K750i [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Hard Disk Description ==
isn't this a bit wordy and irrelevant. i always thought the difference between a hard disk and a floppy is that the read/write heads and contol circutry all come in a case with the disk platters for a hard disk not that the disk is internal and immovable, for example the Amiga 1200 had an optional external hard disk that was completely removable back in the early 1990's. A floppy is a floppy because its basically the disk platter in a protective sleve, with none of the technology required to read the data included with it.
:Technically, the term "hard disk" refers to the actual media itself. Floppy disks consist of a thin disk of flexible magnetic material (hence the name "floppy"), whereas a "hard disk" is just that: A hard, inflexible platter. A hard drive is a hermetically sealed box with the platters inside in order to protect the disk from dust and moisture (both of which can impede performance and even damage the media). And the HDD is usually non-removable because moving the unit around while it's turned on can cause alignment problems. Gyroscopic forces can also cause damage to the platter and the read-write heads, since the platters are usually always spinning. Hope this helps. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Whos that stupid?==
"You cannot actually fold a 5.25" floppy disk to make it work in a 3.5" drive. Attempting to do so will destroy the media." come on. you have to have an IQ to know that it wont work.i think it shoudl be deleted. {{unsigned|Darkstalker|}}
:You'd be surprised! There are COUNTLESS records of people doing stuff just like that - see [http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_drives.shtml The Computer Stupidities Website] for some examples. I used to work in a computer lab myself, and I saw people doing this sort of thing with my own eyes. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Skunk I love you! You just gave me hours of reading and fun. I can't wait to show this to my wife. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Glad to be of service! :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>The night operator, apparently not sure if the problem was with the drive or the disc pack, stuffed the pack into the next drive in line, crashing that one, too, as the heads encountered the plowed-up aluminum from the first crash. He then proceeded to put that increasingly lethal pack into every single drive in the room, in some instances physically ripping the heads from their brackets.</blockquote>
::::Nice! Just absolutely NICE! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah! Actually, I didn't know it would destroy the media. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::I see anony's point about the obviousness of this fact, but the reason I think it should stay is precisely because of people who do crapfully crappy things like that above. Besides, for those of us who know better, it just gives us a chance to laugh at those who don't. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Quite. ''stupid is as stupid does'' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::oops forgot to add my sig...im not an annony lol i just think that putting that remark isnt really neccassary. -[[User:Darkstalker|Darkstalker]]

== The computer in the poster takes 5¼ disks ==

Not only does folding a large disk to fit it into the drive not work at all, but the computer pictured on the poster that he holds the folded disk up to appears to have two 5¼" drives on the front, not 3½", so Strong Bad wouldn't even need to fold it. ~Garglfluz doesn't know how to do sigs

He said "New computers", not "Computers like the one in this poster". ~[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 10:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad actually said "'''these''' new computers" from what I could hear, and clearly indicated the computer in the picture (by pointing at it with the disk). Maybe I'm just arguing semantics, but I think Garglfluz's argument is valid. ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:[[Help:Signature|how to create sigs]] ~{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::My guess is the lappy takes 3.5" disks and he may be referring to that computer or computers like it since the lappy is "new technology" for him. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Nalgene ==

Pom Pom is not using a Nalgene because Nalgenes have flat sides. Once you zoom in it is obvious that this is not the case and that Pom Pom is drinking a store bought bottled water. - [[User:BlackWidower|BlackWidower]] 14:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:All Nalgene bottles do not have flat sides. See [http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/ their website] for examples. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::Whoops, you didn't mean flat as in rectangular prism, you meant flat as in a smooth cylinder. Yeah, it has a bumpy texture and that lends me to believe it is not a Nalgene. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah I meant flat as in smooth. Mine is round. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 23:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Binary ==

Does the binary meen anything? {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:See the [[technology#Trivia|Trivia]] for that. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Sundance Film Festival ==

Does anyone else think the entry on Sundance is a little confusing? It makes it sound like Robert Redford ''and'' the Sundance Channel, whereas I beleive the channel actually started much later.
:Sundance is an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford and also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.
Maybe change it to:
:Sundance refers to an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford. Sundance is also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.
Including the appropriate links, of course. —{{User:Jqubed/sig}}
:well, is the subdance channel related to the film festival?--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
::It's related, both are connected with the Sundance Institute, but the film festival started in 1978, when it wasn't called the Sundance Film Festival, and the Sundance Institute wasn't started until 1981. They didn't even start managing the festival until 1985, and it wasn't renamed until 1991, although Robert Redford seems to have been involved since the beginning. I can't find a start date for the channel, but can't imagine it being around until much later than 1978, and probably more along the lines of the festival changing names or even later than that. —{{User:Jqubed/sig}}

== super bowl dealie ==

I proposed the following real-world reference and it was reverted:

''Coincidentally, six days after the release of this email, there was a commercial that aired during Super Bowl XL on Sunday February 5, 2006 that featured a robot destroying a city.''

I thought this was a good real-world reference and being that the Super Bowl is the biggest commercial day of the year AND right after this email that it warranted note. Also I think that this is consistant with our comment in [[Fall Float Parade]]. Thoughts?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:Try putting it in [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]]. You'll get a bigger response there than here. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 14:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
::but it's not a fun fact, I don't think its proper to STUFF it. correct me if I'm wrong. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

:::It's not a fun fact? Why was it in the Fun Facts section? ;)
:::It's okay. Go ahead and STUFF it. This is the kind of stuff STUFF was made for. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 14:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
::::It's [[Template:STUFF/technology|STUFF'd]] {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

== Wireless Extension Cords? ==

Are working wireless extension cords actually possible? And if you think so, tell me how they would work.
:Impossible. Electricity can't be sent through the air. And even if it could, I would think doing so would be dangerous, as anyone walking through the airborne electricity would be electrocuted. ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:Sounds like the usual Bubs scam to me. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::No such thing Stu, no such thing. But seriously, take it from a trained electrician. '''Everything that requires power has to be connected through wires or conductor to eventually a power source, such as a battery, a generator, or a Power Station.''' (Glad I could finally use my career somewhere around here, granted it's not as useful as "computer programmer" or "flash animater" or anything). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:technology

2006-02-04T23:02:55Z

Jqubed: Forgot to include a comment last time, I found the Sundance entry a little misleading.

==Extrapolates voice==
"extrapolates voice"? I, uh, don't think that word means what you think it means.
I'd correct it, but I can't think of anything better than "adopts a high-pitched voice"

Oh, and also, I've actually seen "Computers don't BYTE" posters. In the back of libraries, where even the librarians don't go anymore.

==Endless Square?==
*That doesn't seem right. It looks the the screen saver alternates between turning left and right, making it an endless zig-zag. And that doesn't seem to be worth mentioning. ~Ostrichburger
**I concur, and I changed it to indicate alternating left/right. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*Take a better look. Its actually just one corridor like end----end with the camera turning around to go back the other way. And, if you think about it, this actually makes a bit more sense from an sbemail humor standpoint. ~SuperKawaiiNeko
** I agree with that - JamesDean

==Has anyone tried...==
*To decode what Strong Bad was saying in binary?[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**You could. [http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php This] is a handy web-based utility. Short of decoding it yourself. ;) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
***Actually, that doesn't work because Strong Bad doesn't say a number of characters divisable by 8, so all the decoder is doing is adding 0's to make up for the lack of bits. And could whoever put the translation specify which coding you are using? eaglescout1984 30 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
***Actually ASCII is 7 bit system. -- Crowther
****Well, I'm still trying to find out if he is saying anything. I get lost, though. I have this so far: 1001101 means...m.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*****I don't have time to try again but I got 9945 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 213 + 210 + 29 + 27 + 26 24 + 23 + 20 = {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
******I don't think it adds up to anything now. I've used all of those programs, and they just come out with mainly this:�.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*******If you're using Windows, just open up Calculator, put it in Scientific mode, switch to Binary, enter 1001101101100, then switch it to Decimal mode again. It confirms that Strong Bad's binary translates to 9945 in decimal.
*******That said, I don't think his binary speak means anything in particular. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**For that matter, has anyone decoded what Strong Bad said in Semaphore? Or was he even doing real semaphore? -Ed
***Well, in Morse code, it's EMITEAUN if zero is a dot; TIMETNGA if zero is a dash. --[[User:Sgleason|S Gleason]] 04:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar Flying==
*Why on earth does homestar fly up the left side of the screen? What's that all about? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
**I'm not sure--it seemed to be more of a glitch than something done intentionally. Unless it was a callback to [[virus]]. TBC have a habit of referencing their older cartoons. [[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
:::I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. The way Homestar Runner said "four" made it seem like it was done intentionally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I think it was just a little addition to the ridicul-ous way he raised his pitch.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:52, 30 January
2006 (UTC)
:::::It has to be intentional, not a glitch, because Bubs' eyes follow Homestar up as he flies away. And how could it be a reference to [[virus]]? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
::::::I bet he was raised by wireless wires. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If TBC wanted it to be a reference to virus, they would have made Homestar with The Homestar Runner's body, they would have made his head come off, and they would have made those weird shadowy things appear behind him. It's probably just your everyday Homestar randomness. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::haha... I thought so. Everyday randomness, indeed![[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
:::::::::I was thinking maybe it has something to do with the way that Strong Bad rises up also when he says "I'll be your best friend!" Maybe they had SB rise up when he spoke in a higher pitch and in a sing-song tone, so they thought it would be funny if Homestar flew up when he spoke particularly high and sing-song. There's my theory. --Der Pepper
::::::::::Nah...it obviously has something to do with wireless extension cords.--vl-tone

Just curious, did anyone see anything strange on the .swf file before it got black-boardered? -- Nobody Important (NI)

The way he flies up also kind of looks like that glitch in Double Dragon where you can get people to fly up off the screen.

== The Amber Screen ==

The screen in whihc Strong Bad describes how to select an email address is coloured Amber. this is a reference to a time in the mid 80's when Amber replaced green as the principle colour for monochrome screens. It was supposed to reduce eye strain or something.
--"Creepy Pants man"

I remember we had one of those amber monochrome screens.. Well, I was pretty little. I remember it being quite like that - that same color, with the diagonal-ish lines going up it.
No, I don't remember what year this would be.. probably very early 90's. (Probably just happened to have one.)
-- [[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 01:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I would add that it's similar to the Tandy SB used to have. -- User who doesn't want to tell you his name (UWDWTTYHN)

The [http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html Compaq Portable III] had an amber screen. Sigh ... ahhhhhh, for the good old days! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Clarke's Third Law ==

It seems to me that Strongbad was referencing ''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law'' with:

''The word technology... means... magic. It's basically anything that's really cool that you don't know how it works. And if it breaks, you have to buy a new one. Why, I've got some technology beneath my pants right now! Whoo-ya!''

''''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law:''''
''Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.''

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_Third_Law Arthur C. Clarke's Laws]

--Kitsula

:Oh. I just plain added the thing just now. Incidentally, although I didn't include it, it's even more similar to [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm this corollary]. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] Jan 30 2006, 3:44PM EST

==Catacombs==

When SB said "catacombs," the first thing I thought of was the second dungeon in the original Bard's Tale game, which used the first-person viewpoint as well. I'm sure other games had tombs/catacombs as well, since it's a standard RPG element. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:I was instantly reminded of DungeonQuest, with the Catacombs expansion pack. The screen saver itself resembles a first-person perspective of an extremely boring game of DungeonQuest (no catacombs). -Ed

::Yeah, but the screen saver itself is just a clone of "3D Maze", which was one of a series of free 3D screen savers supplied with Win98. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:::What about adding a bullet along the lines of "Catacombs were a common setting for dungeons in 1980s RPGs, such as the Bard's Tale and DungeonQuest." The 1980s might be superfluous, since tombs and catacombs are still popular settings in RPGs, but the feel of that screensaver is very '80s, and TBC love to make references to '80s games. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::The "feel" of the screensaver may be '80s, but that would be a very incorrect reference - that screensaver didn't exist until '96 or '97. (Besides, I doubt you'd find an RPG-style catacomb made up of brick walls.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I never said that the screensaver was actually from the '80s. The point is that the choice of the word "catacombs" was probably a deliberate reference to one or more 1980s games. "Catacombs" isn't exactly a word in the common vernacular, and as you said, it's odd that Strong Bad would refer to a maze of brick walls as catacombs unless TBC were referring to something specific. | [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 20:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::My guess is they were referring to the maze game itself, as it felt like you were going through some dungeon or catacombs. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I remember having that screensaver when I was a kid.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I remember an uncle or somebody having an old computer (not amber-screen or green-screen old, but still) with a game like this, it was a giant, brick wall maze game. Forgot the name, though. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

==I can make mine say oboe shoes!==
Heh. Does anyone else like it when TBC refrence calculator words in such a funny way?
So, one time, in third grade, I remember a few kids typing

7734

on the calculators, and then turned them upside down. As you may of guessed, the H word was on the calculator screen. Very amusing. Especially when we could spell our teacher's first name on the
calculator. Weird. So does anybody like calculator words? - Oopsyoubwokeit (not logged in)
:It's a pretty common thing... I've done it before, but I don't particularily like it... - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::Calculator talk is fun. There's 55378008, 58008, 0.7734, and a lot more I can't remember right now. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Some Hebrew words can be typed on a calculator to! like 71070 or 7109179 (no need to turn it upside down for it!) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::It's very similar to 1337. Now they have those calculators that type letters, though. Boo...--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 11:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, those are awesome! My friend has a TI one (the same kind that the calculator-drawn The Cheat was drawn on a long time ago) and we type notes back and forth in math on it. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== The Cheatbot ==

I'm not going to STUFF this because it'd probably get denied right away, and I'm definitely not going to just add it to the email's fun facts list because it'd be taken off right away. In fact, I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a fun fact...it's fun to me, at least. Anyway, might could Strong Bad's mentioning of robot's purpose (other than destroying Japan) to be to serve hors d'œuvres be a reference to the first scene of The Second Renaissance? Just think about. And no, I'm not going to put a Wikipedia link to it, it's only worth discussing if you've actually seen TSR. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 22:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:If by "Second Renaissance", you're referring to episodes 2 and 3 of Animatrix, then I know what you're talking about. And I think that's a stretch - the idea of service robots that can do all sorts of menial tasks has been around much much longer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:PS: Just like when you were making fun of my name, I still think you're making things a lot harder on yourself with all that excess verbiage there. You know how much harder it is to type all that than just to type <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Animatrix|Animatrix]]</nowiki>? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

::Yes...I do. I do indeed, KieferSkunk. And do ''you'' know how much harder it is to type a message telling someone to type less in their messages on Homestar Runner Wiki talk pages, which is a decision that doesn't affect you or anyone else other than the one who types the message, than to type nothing at all, which is what would be better for everyone? And what else would I mean by ''Second Renaissance'' than the Animated Matrix episodes? I wouldn't care to hazard a guess. Plus, the only examples of fiction I can think of with robots that serve orderves are the 2nd Ren-sawnce, and <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Clone High|Clone High</nowiki>]]. And I'm guessing Strong Bad wouldn't be referencing old Mr. Butlertron. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Eh, it's not that hard for me. I type at over 100 WPM. That's not the point, though - I'm just trying to suggest ways to be less laborious and to allow yourself to be taken more seriously (at least in my opinion - I obviously don't speak for everyone). When I see "I'm not gonna bother to look this up, just gonna spew it out anyway", I see someone who is making a point of being lazy, and most of the time I tend to skip over the entirety of what they said as a result. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::As for the last part of that: See [[Template:STUFF/technology|STUFF]] for quite a few examples of servant robots. It's pretty much gotten into TTATOT territory by now. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Email Song==
Does the email song sound familiar to anyone else? I tried googling some of the key words to figure out which song it comes from, but no luck. It reminds me of something I've heard on a classic rock station though. Maybe fleetwood mac? --[[User:Racerx is Alive|racerx_is_alive]] 22:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't put my finger on it, but it isn't Fleetwood Mac (the closest I can come up with in this vein is that it shares a similar sort of tone to "The Chain", but not an actual series of notes or lyrics). [[User:Yaztromo|Yaztromo]] 11:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Schrödinger's cat?==

I'm not sure, so I didn't want to add this as a fun fact, and I didn't feel like going through all the STUFF stuff. Anyway, does anyone else think that the half alive/half dead goat is a reference to schrodinger's cat? [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:No, I don't. {{unsigned|220.237.71.13|01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)}}
::I think it's possible - here's the Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Schrödinger's cat|Schrodinger's Cat]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I's more of a reference to "Is the glass half empty or half full?", that psycological question used to determine if someone is optimistic or pessimistic. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Second''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 16:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The question on the paper is a reference to the glass half empty quesiton. It's a pretty big stretch to say it's a reference to Schrodinger's Cat, though I'll admit it does have some connections. And Schrodinger's Goat would be pretty funny. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 07:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Digits of Pi ==

I don't entirely like the sentence "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the most common representation of pi." under the fun facts heading. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but 3.14 is not a representation of pi, it is a representation of the number 3.14 which is not pi. Perhaps a better sentence could be something of the form "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the first few digits of pi".
:Perhaps "most common approximation" might work better? [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 03:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::I agree and have just changed it. -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 06:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Approximation is a better word, thanks. I do think "representation" is a correct word, as that's what most people think pi is, or at least what most people use when doing formulas with pi by hand. (It's also what a lot of math textbooks tell you to use.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Or worse, they would tell you to use 22/7, which is only 3.14 truncated and is nowhere near pi. However, most [[Wikipedia:Texas Instruments|TI calculators]] use ''3.141592654'' for best approximation when graphing or calculating circles. I agree with you both, as no matter how many digits you calculate to, it is still an approximate value. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. As far as I know, pi goes on forever. Also, I just opened Windows Calculator. Seems using 22/7 is a very bad idea, as that number is actually ''bigger'' than pi. As far as I know, pi is irrational--there's no fraction that exactly equals it. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 01:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yes, pi does go on forever. The whole point of using 22/7 was to make fractional calculations easier (particularly in the days before calculators). 3.14 would have been a pain to calculate when the rest of the formula is in integral fractions. pi is not just irrational, but also transcendental. Irrational means it can't be expressed as a fraction. Transcendental means that it can't be expressed as the root of a polynomial equation (e.g. square root of two is irrational, but not transcendental, as it cannot be represented by a fraction, but is a root of the equation x2 - 2 = 0. EdB

==Cell phone movie festival==
Hey, when was this email released? Because if it was after 5 am, we've got another case of creepy last-minute coincidence between a real-world broadcast and a sbemail (granted, NPR ain't Family Guy): check out [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5175556 this report on Morning Edition] about a guy writing, directing, and producing a movie on his cell phone... and hoping to win a festival. At any rate, the [http://www.cellflixfestival.org/ festival itself] might merit mention. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Great leaping ocelots, that's amazing! Nice find! --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Forward Right...==
*The screensaver goes in an endless loop of Forward, Right, Forward, Left, as shown here:

<code> ---- end
|
|---- end
| |
end |---- end
| |
end |...</code>
I don't think it goes like this. It looks to me like its forward right, forward right, in a big square. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:It seems to turn randomly left or right to me... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe the behavior is different at different times or for different people? It looks to me like a movie clip, but there could be more code in there than that. Every time I've watched it, though, it's gone left/right/left/right, etc. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah I saw it go left/right/left/right... too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I just realized that the little picture up there is correct, but if you were actually walking across those lines, it would be right,forward,right,forward. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== .swf changed. ==

The .swf file has changed from the original to completly black around the primary screen. {{User:Count X/sig}}
:Yeah, someone mentioned that somewheres. This and death metal, I think are like that. {{User:Salty/sig}} 13:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Worthless screensaver ==

That Screen Saver that Strong Bad is so proud of isn't gonna do the job. Anyone who has gone to an arcade can tell you about machines where the words "Game Over" or "Insert Coin(s)" has been literaly burned either into the glass or onto the colored mesh of the display. This is visible even when playing the game. HOWEVER, the point of a screen saver is to consistantly change the colors of these pixels so that the screen never has a chance of getting burned. While he's running his saver, the bottom part of the maze (probably about 3" of his screen) is always that dark yellowish color. Surely that would get burned into his screen if he runs it too long. -[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 17:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:That's true.. however, the Lappy has an LCD screen. Can LCDs get burn-in? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 20:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Nope. LCD panels don't burn-in. Plus, most CRT screens these days have built-in protection against burn-in. It's not to say that they will NEVER burn in, but a screen saver like that would be unlikely to cause burn-in even on a CRT screen. It has partly to do with the contrast and brightness of the screen, partly to do with the intensity of the colors, and also the specific technology the CRT is using. Older CRTs, like in the arcade games, and cheaper CRTs not of computer-monitor grade, are more likely to burn-in simply due to those factors. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::LCDs don't burn like normal CRTs because they're made differently. They can, however, be damaged by direct sunlight or physical abuse (heh, what can't?). I wasn't arguing that his screen would get burned, I'm just saying that as far as screen savers go, this one's bunk. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 05:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

::: You would think that the point of a screen saver would be to constantly change pixel colors, wouldn't you? But unfortunately the real point of all too many of them is simply to get you to download the screen saver, or to visit the website where it's hosted, or to purchase the product it's bundled with; what happens after that, they doesn't care. Probably more people use them for entertainment than for monitor upkeep. Think about all those stupid "aquariums" you've seen where the ocean floor is essentially constant. So Strong Bad's screen saver is, in fact, an accurate representation: looks interesting, but does nothing (or makes matters worse). {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah pretty much what Bill Martinson (wb!) says is pretty much right on the money. Case in point: my labmate has a cool-looking screensaver of this futuristic looking room with a flame in the center. Only the flame colors move. Nowadays I think the need for screensavers has been reduced significantly by that (sometimes) nice powersave feature modern monitors have. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad knows it's a Floppy Disk ==

In email #75 ("funny") he says "I can tape a floppy disk to my forehead". It's a 3.5" floppy. Just thought I'd point that out.
:Ooh. Now that's an observation worthy of a remark if ever there was one. Nice figuring. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== The Screensaver in general. ==

The screensaver is an obvious reference to the 3D Maze screensaver on windows 95 and later (I don't think it's on XP though), so why was my addition deleted? - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Your edit was reverted because that reference was already listed near the top of the Real World References. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Damn, I always do that (by accident) - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 08:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== .5 or ½ ==

When refuring to floppy disk shouldn't their size be in fractions? For example 3½" floppy instead of 3.5" floppy. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 05:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:I see 3.5 much more often that 3½ - [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Both are acceptable, and 3.5 is much easier to type. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
On [[Wikipedia:Floppy|Wikipedia]] its written as "5¼-inch" and "3½-inch". So I thought I would ask. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 23:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Fixed. Wow, that's the biggest contribution I've made to the wiki yet! ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 02:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I disagree with the validity of this change. Unless you can find a unicode or symbol code for "one-half", I don't recommend using it over decimal places. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::You can use &#188; and &#189; (the unicode values for the symbols already being used) <s>but there's no real advantage of them over the straight-up ¼ and ½, and they're harder to read in the wiki source</s>... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Wait... there's &frac12; and &frac14; – perhaps we should use them. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::We could indeed. It's probably eaisier to recognize anyway. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Well, it's good to see that at least my change wasn't reverted. You have no idea how discouraging it is when that happens, especially when you think you've made a valid contribution. We're told to "be bold" when editing articles, but... ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
::::::::Don't feel bad, Bruce. It takes time to "settle in". :) By being bold, you learn how to distinguish good edits from bad ones. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cell Phone Videos ==

It seems to be at least worth mentioning that the President's of the United States vdieo for Some Postman was indeed filmed entirely with cell phone cameras, specifically 12 Sony Ericsson K750i [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Hard Disk Description ==
isn't this a bit wordy and irrelevant. i always thought the difference between a hard disk and a floppy is that the read/write heads and contol circutry all come in a case with the disk platters for a hard disk not that the disk is internal and immovable, for example the Amiga 1200 had an optional external hard disk that was completely removable back in the early 1990's. A floppy is a floppy because its basically the disk platter in a protective sleve, with none of the technology required to read the data included with it.
:Technically, the term "hard disk" refers to the actual media itself. Floppy disks consist of a thin disk of flexible magnetic material (hence the name "floppy"), whereas a "hard disk" is just that: A hard, inflexible platter. A hard drive is a hermetically sealed box with the platters inside in order to protect the disk from dust and moisture (both of which can impede performance and even damage the media). And the HDD is usually non-removable because moving the unit around while it's turned on can cause alignment problems. Gyroscopic forces can also cause damage to the platter and the read-write heads, since the platters are usually always spinning. Hope this helps. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Whos that stupid?==
"You cannot actually fold a 5.25" floppy disk to make it work in a 3.5" drive. Attempting to do so will destroy the media." come on. you have to have an IQ to know that it wont work.i think it shoudl be deleted. {{unsigned|Darkstalker|}}
:You'd be surprised! There are COUNTLESS records of people doing stuff just like that - see [http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_drives.shtml The Computer Stupidities Website] for some examples. I used to work in a computer lab myself, and I saw people doing this sort of thing with my own eyes. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Skunk I love you! You just gave me hours of reading and fun. I can't wait to show this to my wife. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Glad to be of service! :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>The night operator, apparently not sure if the problem was with the drive or the disc pack, stuffed the pack into the next drive in line, crashing that one, too, as the heads encountered the plowed-up aluminum from the first crash. He then proceeded to put that increasingly lethal pack into every single drive in the room, in some instances physically ripping the heads from their brackets.</blockquote>
::::Nice! Just absolutely NICE! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah! Actually, I didn't know it would destroy the media. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::I see anony's point about the obviousness of this fact, but the reason I think it should stay is precisely because of people who do crapfully crappy things like that above. Besides, for those of us who know better, it just gives us a chance to laugh at those who don't. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Quite. ''stupid is as stupid does'' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::oops forgot to add my sig...im not an annony lol i just think that putting that remark isnt really neccassary. -[[User:Darkstalker|Darkstalker]]

== The computer in the poster takes 5¼ disks ==

Not only does folding a large disk to fit it into the drive not work at all, but the computer pictured on the poster that he holds the folded disk up to appears to have two 5¼" drives on the front, not 3½", so Strong Bad wouldn't even need to fold it. ~Garglfluz doesn't know how to do sigs

He said "New computers", not "Computers like the one in this poster". ~[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 10:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad actually said "'''these''' new computers" from what I could hear, and clearly indicated the computer in the picture (by pointing at it with the disk). Maybe I'm just arguing semantics, but I think Garglfluz's argument is valid. ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:[[Help:Signature|how to create sigs]] ~{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::My guess is the lappy takes 3.5" disks and he may be referring to that computer or computers like it since the lappy is "new technology" for him. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Nalgene ==

Pom Pom is not using a Nalgene because Nalgenes have flat sides. Once you zoom in it is obvious that this is not the case and that Pom Pom is drinking a store bought bottled water. - [[User:BlackWidower|BlackWidower]] 14:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:All Nalgene bottles do not have flat sides. See [http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/ their website] for examples. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::Whoops, you didn't mean flat as in rectangular prism, you meant flat as in a smooth cylinder. Yeah, it has a bumpy texture and that lends me to believe it is not a Nalgene. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah I meant flat as in smooth. Mine is round. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 23:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Binary ==

Does the binary meen anything? {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:See the [[technology#Trivia|Trivia]] for that. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Sundance Film Festival ==

Does anyone else think the entry on Sundance is a little confusing? It makes it sound like Robert Redford ''and'' the Sundance Channel, whereas I beleive the channel actually started much later.
:Sundance is an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford and also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.
Maybe change it to:
:Sundance refers to an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford. Sundance is also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.
Including the appropriate links, of course. —{{User:Jqubed/sig}}

Talk:technology

2006-02-04T23:01:05Z

Jqubed: Suncance Film Festival

==Extrapolates voice==
"extrapolates voice"? I, uh, don't think that word means what you think it means.
I'd correct it, but I can't think of anything better than "adopts a high-pitched voice"

Oh, and also, I've actually seen "Computers don't BYTE" posters. In the back of libraries, where even the librarians don't go anymore.

==Endless Square?==
*That doesn't seem right. It looks the the screen saver alternates between turning left and right, making it an endless zig-zag. And that doesn't seem to be worth mentioning. ~Ostrichburger
**I concur, and I changed it to indicate alternating left/right. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*Take a better look. Its actually just one corridor like end----end with the camera turning around to go back the other way. And, if you think about it, this actually makes a bit more sense from an sbemail humor standpoint. ~SuperKawaiiNeko
** I agree with that - JamesDean

==Has anyone tried...==
*To decode what Strong Bad was saying in binary?[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**You could. [http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php This] is a handy web-based utility. Short of decoding it yourself. ;) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
***Actually, that doesn't work because Strong Bad doesn't say a number of characters divisable by 8, so all the decoder is doing is adding 0's to make up for the lack of bits. And could whoever put the translation specify which coding you are using? eaglescout1984 30 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
***Actually ASCII is 7 bit system. -- Crowther
****Well, I'm still trying to find out if he is saying anything. I get lost, though. I have this so far: 1001101 means...m.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*****I don't have time to try again but I got 9945 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 213 + 210 + 29 + 27 + 26 24 + 23 + 20 = {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
******I don't think it adds up to anything now. I've used all of those programs, and they just come out with mainly this:�.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*******If you're using Windows, just open up Calculator, put it in Scientific mode, switch to Binary, enter 1001101101100, then switch it to Decimal mode again. It confirms that Strong Bad's binary translates to 9945 in decimal.
*******That said, I don't think his binary speak means anything in particular. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**For that matter, has anyone decoded what Strong Bad said in Semaphore? Or was he even doing real semaphore? -Ed
***Well, in Morse code, it's EMITEAUN if zero is a dot; TIMETNGA if zero is a dash. --[[User:Sgleason|S Gleason]] 04:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar Flying==
*Why on earth does homestar fly up the left side of the screen? What's that all about? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
**I'm not sure--it seemed to be more of a glitch than something done intentionally. Unless it was a callback to [[virus]]. TBC have a habit of referencing their older cartoons. [[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
:::I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. The way Homestar Runner said "four" made it seem like it was done intentionally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I think it was just a little addition to the ridicul-ous way he raised his pitch.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:52, 30 January
2006 (UTC)
:::::It has to be intentional, not a glitch, because Bubs' eyes follow Homestar up as he flies away. And how could it be a reference to [[virus]]? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
::::::I bet he was raised by wireless wires. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If TBC wanted it to be a reference to virus, they would have made Homestar with The Homestar Runner's body, they would have made his head come off, and they would have made those weird shadowy things appear behind him. It's probably just your everyday Homestar randomness. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::haha... I thought so. Everyday randomness, indeed![[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
:::::::::I was thinking maybe it has something to do with the way that Strong Bad rises up also when he says "I'll be your best friend!" Maybe they had SB rise up when he spoke in a higher pitch and in a sing-song tone, so they thought it would be funny if Homestar flew up when he spoke particularly high and sing-song. There's my theory. --Der Pepper
::::::::::Nah...it obviously has something to do with wireless extension cords.--vl-tone

Just curious, did anyone see anything strange on the .swf file before it got black-boardered? -- Nobody Important (NI)

The way he flies up also kind of looks like that glitch in Double Dragon where you can get people to fly up off the screen.

== The Amber Screen ==

The screen in whihc Strong Bad describes how to select an email address is coloured Amber. this is a reference to a time in the mid 80's when Amber replaced green as the principle colour for monochrome screens. It was supposed to reduce eye strain or something.
--"Creepy Pants man"

I remember we had one of those amber monochrome screens.. Well, I was pretty little. I remember it being quite like that - that same color, with the diagonal-ish lines going up it.
No, I don't remember what year this would be.. probably very early 90's. (Probably just happened to have one.)
-- [[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 01:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I would add that it's similar to the Tandy SB used to have. -- User who doesn't want to tell you his name (UWDWTTYHN)

The [http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html Compaq Portable III] had an amber screen. Sigh ... ahhhhhh, for the good old days! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Clarke's Third Law ==

It seems to me that Strongbad was referencing ''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law'' with:

''The word technology... means... magic. It's basically anything that's really cool that you don't know how it works. And if it breaks, you have to buy a new one. Why, I've got some technology beneath my pants right now! Whoo-ya!''

''''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law:''''
''Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.''

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_Third_Law Arthur C. Clarke's Laws]

--Kitsula

:Oh. I just plain added the thing just now. Incidentally, although I didn't include it, it's even more similar to [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm this corollary]. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] Jan 30 2006, 3:44PM EST

==Catacombs==

When SB said "catacombs," the first thing I thought of was the second dungeon in the original Bard's Tale game, which used the first-person viewpoint as well. I'm sure other games had tombs/catacombs as well, since it's a standard RPG element. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:I was instantly reminded of DungeonQuest, with the Catacombs expansion pack. The screen saver itself resembles a first-person perspective of an extremely boring game of DungeonQuest (no catacombs). -Ed

::Yeah, but the screen saver itself is just a clone of "3D Maze", which was one of a series of free 3D screen savers supplied with Win98. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:::What about adding a bullet along the lines of "Catacombs were a common setting for dungeons in 1980s RPGs, such as the Bard's Tale and DungeonQuest." The 1980s might be superfluous, since tombs and catacombs are still popular settings in RPGs, but the feel of that screensaver is very '80s, and TBC love to make references to '80s games. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::The "feel" of the screensaver may be '80s, but that would be a very incorrect reference - that screensaver didn't exist until '96 or '97. (Besides, I doubt you'd find an RPG-style catacomb made up of brick walls.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I never said that the screensaver was actually from the '80s. The point is that the choice of the word "catacombs" was probably a deliberate reference to one or more 1980s games. "Catacombs" isn't exactly a word in the common vernacular, and as you said, it's odd that Strong Bad would refer to a maze of brick walls as catacombs unless TBC were referring to something specific. | [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 20:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::My guess is they were referring to the maze game itself, as it felt like you were going through some dungeon or catacombs. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I remember having that screensaver when I was a kid.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:I remember an uncle or somebody having an old computer (not amber-screen or green-screen old, but still) with a game like this, it was a giant, brick wall maze game. Forgot the name, though. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

==I can make mine say oboe shoes!==
Heh. Does anyone else like it when TBC refrence calculator words in such a funny way?
So, one time, in third grade, I remember a few kids typing

7734

on the calculators, and then turned them upside down. As you may of guessed, the H word was on the calculator screen. Very amusing. Especially when we could spell our teacher's first name on the
calculator. Weird. So does anybody like calculator words? - Oopsyoubwokeit (not logged in)
:It's a pretty common thing... I've done it before, but I don't particularily like it... - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::Calculator talk is fun. There's 55378008, 58008, 0.7734, and a lot more I can't remember right now. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Some Hebrew words can be typed on a calculator to! like 71070 or 7109179 (no need to turn it upside down for it!) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::It's very similar to 1337. Now they have those calculators that type letters, though. Boo...--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 11:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, those are awesome! My friend has a TI one (the same kind that the calculator-drawn The Cheat was drawn on a long time ago) and we type notes back and forth in math on it. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== The Cheatbot ==

I'm not going to STUFF this because it'd probably get denied right away, and I'm definitely not going to just add it to the email's fun facts list because it'd be taken off right away. In fact, I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a fun fact...it's fun to me, at least. Anyway, might could Strong Bad's mentioning of robot's purpose (other than destroying Japan) to be to serve hors d'œuvres be a reference to the first scene of The Second Renaissance? Just think about. And no, I'm not going to put a Wikipedia link to it, it's only worth discussing if you've actually seen TSR. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 22:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:If by "Second Renaissance", you're referring to episodes 2 and 3 of Animatrix, then I know what you're talking about. And I think that's a stretch - the idea of service robots that can do all sorts of menial tasks has been around much much longer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:PS: Just like when you were making fun of my name, I still think you're making things a lot harder on yourself with all that excess verbiage there. You know how much harder it is to type all that than just to type <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Animatrix|Animatrix]]</nowiki>? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

::Yes...I do. I do indeed, KieferSkunk. And do ''you'' know how much harder it is to type a message telling someone to type less in their messages on Homestar Runner Wiki talk pages, which is a decision that doesn't affect you or anyone else other than the one who types the message, than to type nothing at all, which is what would be better for everyone? And what else would I mean by ''Second Renaissance'' than the Animated Matrix episodes? I wouldn't care to hazard a guess. Plus, the only examples of fiction I can think of with robots that serve orderves are the 2nd Ren-sawnce, and <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Clone High|Clone High</nowiki>]]. And I'm guessing Strong Bad wouldn't be referencing old Mr. Butlertron. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Eh, it's not that hard for me. I type at over 100 WPM. That's not the point, though - I'm just trying to suggest ways to be less laborious and to allow yourself to be taken more seriously (at least in my opinion - I obviously don't speak for everyone). When I see "I'm not gonna bother to look this up, just gonna spew it out anyway", I see someone who is making a point of being lazy, and most of the time I tend to skip over the entirety of what they said as a result. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::As for the last part of that: See [[Template:STUFF/technology|STUFF]] for quite a few examples of servant robots. It's pretty much gotten into TTATOT territory by now. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Email Song==
Does the email song sound familiar to anyone else? I tried googling some of the key words to figure out which song it comes from, but no luck. It reminds me of something I've heard on a classic rock station though. Maybe fleetwood mac? --[[User:Racerx is Alive|racerx_is_alive]] 22:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I can't put my finger on it, but it isn't Fleetwood Mac (the closest I can come up with in this vein is that it shares a similar sort of tone to "The Chain", but not an actual series of notes or lyrics). [[User:Yaztromo|Yaztromo]] 11:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Schrödinger's cat?==

I'm not sure, so I didn't want to add this as a fun fact, and I didn't feel like going through all the STUFF stuff. Anyway, does anyone else think that the half alive/half dead goat is a reference to schrodinger's cat? [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:No, I don't. {{unsigned|220.237.71.13|01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)}}
::I think it's possible - here's the Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Schrödinger's cat|Schrodinger's Cat]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I's more of a reference to "Is the glass half empty or half full?", that psycological question used to determine if someone is optimistic or pessimistic. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Second''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 16:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
The question on the paper is a reference to the glass half empty quesiton. It's a pretty big stretch to say it's a reference to Schrodinger's Cat, though I'll admit it does have some connections. And Schrodinger's Goat would be pretty funny. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 07:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Digits of Pi ==

I don't entirely like the sentence "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the most common representation of pi." under the fun facts heading. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but 3.14 is not a representation of pi, it is a representation of the number 3.14 which is not pi. Perhaps a better sentence could be something of the form "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the first few digits of pi".
:Perhaps "most common approximation" might work better? [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 03:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::I agree and have just changed it. -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 06:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Approximation is a better word, thanks. I do think "representation" is a correct word, as that's what most people think pi is, or at least what most people use when doing formulas with pi by hand. (It's also what a lot of math textbooks tell you to use.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Or worse, they would tell you to use 22/7, which is only 3.14 truncated and is nowhere near pi. However, most [[Wikipedia:Texas Instruments|TI calculators]] use ''3.141592654'' for best approximation when graphing or calculating circles. I agree with you both, as no matter how many digits you calculate to, it is still an approximate value. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. As far as I know, pi goes on forever. Also, I just opened Windows Calculator. Seems using 22/7 is a very bad idea, as that number is actually ''bigger'' than pi. As far as I know, pi is irrational--there's no fraction that exactly equals it. -[[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 01:38, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yes, pi does go on forever. The whole point of using 22/7 was to make fractional calculations easier (particularly in the days before calculators). 3.14 would have been a pain to calculate when the rest of the formula is in integral fractions. pi is not just irrational, but also transcendental. Irrational means it can't be expressed as a fraction. Transcendental means that it can't be expressed as the root of a polynomial equation (e.g. square root of two is irrational, but not transcendental, as it cannot be represented by a fraction, but is a root of the equation x2 - 2 = 0. EdB

==Cell phone movie festival==
Hey, when was this email released? Because if it was after 5 am, we've got another case of creepy last-minute coincidence between a real-world broadcast and a sbemail (granted, NPR ain't Family Guy): check out [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5175556 this report on Morning Edition] about a guy writing, directing, and producing a movie on his cell phone... and hoping to win a festival. At any rate, the [http://www.cellflixfestival.org/ festival itself] might merit mention. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Great leaping ocelots, that's amazing! Nice find! --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 01:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Forward Right...==
*The screensaver goes in an endless loop of Forward, Right, Forward, Left, as shown here:

<code> ---- end
|
|---- end
| |
end |---- end
| |
end |...</code>
I don't think it goes like this. It looks to me like its forward right, forward right, in a big square. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:It seems to turn randomly left or right to me... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe the behavior is different at different times or for different people? It looks to me like a movie clip, but there could be more code in there than that. Every time I've watched it, though, it's gone left/right/left/right, etc. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah I saw it go left/right/left/right... too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I just realized that the little picture up there is correct, but if you were actually walking across those lines, it would be right,forward,right,forward. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== .swf changed. ==

The .swf file has changed from the original to completly black around the primary screen. {{User:Count X/sig}}
:Yeah, someone mentioned that somewheres. This and death metal, I think are like that. {{User:Salty/sig}} 13:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Worthless screensaver ==

That Screen Saver that Strong Bad is so proud of isn't gonna do the job. Anyone who has gone to an arcade can tell you about machines where the words "Game Over" or "Insert Coin(s)" has been literaly burned either into the glass or onto the colored mesh of the display. This is visible even when playing the game. HOWEVER, the point of a screen saver is to consistantly change the colors of these pixels so that the screen never has a chance of getting burned. While he's running his saver, the bottom part of the maze (probably about 3" of his screen) is always that dark yellowish color. Surely that would get burned into his screen if he runs it too long. -[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 17:05, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

:That's true.. however, the Lappy has an LCD screen. Can LCDs get burn-in? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 20:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::Nope. LCD panels don't burn-in. Plus, most CRT screens these days have built-in protection against burn-in. It's not to say that they will NEVER burn in, but a screen saver like that would be unlikely to cause burn-in even on a CRT screen. It has partly to do with the contrast and brightness of the screen, partly to do with the intensity of the colors, and also the specific technology the CRT is using. Older CRTs, like in the arcade games, and cheaper CRTs not of computer-monitor grade, are more likely to burn-in simply due to those factors. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::LCDs don't burn like normal CRTs because they're made differently. They can, however, be damaged by direct sunlight or physical abuse (heh, what can't?). I wasn't arguing that his screen would get burned, I'm just saying that as far as screen savers go, this one's bunk. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 05:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

::: You would think that the point of a screen saver would be to constantly change pixel colors, wouldn't you? But unfortunately the real point of all too many of them is simply to get you to download the screen saver, or to visit the website where it's hosted, or to purchase the product it's bundled with; what happens after that, they doesn't care. Probably more people use them for entertainment than for monitor upkeep. Think about all those stupid "aquariums" you've seen where the ocean floor is essentially constant. So Strong Bad's screen saver is, in fact, an accurate representation: looks interesting, but does nothing (or makes matters worse). {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 14:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah pretty much what Bill Martinson (wb!) says is pretty much right on the money. Case in point: my labmate has a cool-looking screensaver of this futuristic looking room with a flame in the center. Only the flame colors move. Nowadays I think the need for screensavers has been reduced significantly by that (sometimes) nice powersave feature modern monitors have. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad knows it's a Floppy Disk ==

In email #75 ("funny") he says "I can tape a floppy disk to my forehead". It's a 3.5" floppy. Just thought I'd point that out.
:Ooh. Now that's an observation worthy of a remark if ever there was one. Nice figuring. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== The Screensaver in general. ==

The screensaver is an obvious reference to the 3D Maze screensaver on windows 95 and later (I don't think it's on XP though), so why was my addition deleted? - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 05:01, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Your edit was reverted because that reference was already listed near the top of the Real World References. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:10, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Damn, I always do that (by accident) - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 08:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== .5 or ½ ==

When refuring to floppy disk shouldn't their size be in fractions? For example 3½" floppy instead of 3.5" floppy. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 05:16, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:I see 3.5 much more often that 3½ - [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:19, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:Both are acceptable, and 3.5 is much easier to type. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
On [[Wikipedia:Floppy|Wikipedia]] its written as "5¼-inch" and "3½-inch". So I thought I would ask. – [[User:Zntrip|Zntrip]] 23:33, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Fixed. Wow, that's the biggest contribution I've made to the wiki yet! ~ [[User:Bruce|Bruce]] 02:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

:::I disagree with the validity of this change. Unless you can find a unicode or symbol code for "one-half", I don't recommend using it over decimal places. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::You can use &#188; and &#189; (the unicode values for the symbols already being used) <s>but there's no real advantage of them over the straight-up ¼ and ½, and they're harder to read in the wiki source</s>... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Wait... there's &frac12; and &frac14; – perhaps we should use them. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::We could indeed. It's probably eaisier to recognize anyway. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Well, it's good to see that at least my change wasn't reverted. You have no idea how discouraging it is when that happens, especially when you think you've made a valid contribution. We're told to "be bold" when editing articles, but... ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
::::::::Don't feel bad, Bruce. It takes time to "settle in". :) By being bold, you learn how to distinguish good edits from bad ones. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Cell Phone Videos ==

It seems to be at least worth mentioning that the President's of the United States vdieo for Some Postman was indeed filmed entirely with cell phone cameras, specifically 12 Sony Ericsson K750i [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 09:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== Hard Disk Description ==
isn't this a bit wordy and irrelevant. i always thought the difference between a hard disk and a floppy is that the read/write heads and contol circutry all come in a case with the disk platters for a hard disk not that the disk is internal and immovable, for example the Amiga 1200 had an optional external hard disk that was completely removable back in the early 1990's. A floppy is a floppy because its basically the disk platter in a protective sleve, with none of the technology required to read the data included with it.
:Technically, the term "hard disk" refers to the actual media itself. Floppy disks consist of a thin disk of flexible magnetic material (hence the name "floppy"), whereas a "hard disk" is just that: A hard, inflexible platter. A hard drive is a hermetically sealed box with the platters inside in order to protect the disk from dust and moisture (both of which can impede performance and even damage the media). And the HDD is usually non-removable because moving the unit around while it's turned on can cause alignment problems. Gyroscopic forces can also cause damage to the platter and the read-write heads, since the platters are usually always spinning. Hope this helps. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

==Whos that stupid?==
"You cannot actually fold a 5.25" floppy disk to make it work in a 3.5" drive. Attempting to do so will destroy the media." come on. you have to have an IQ to know that it wont work.i think it shoudl be deleted. {{unsigned|Darkstalker|}}
:You'd be surprised! There are COUNTLESS records of people doing stuff just like that - see [http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_drives.shtml The Computer Stupidities Website] for some examples. I used to work in a computer lab myself, and I saw people doing this sort of thing with my own eyes. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Skunk I love you! You just gave me hours of reading and fun. I can't wait to show this to my wife. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Glad to be of service! :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>The night operator, apparently not sure if the problem was with the drive or the disc pack, stuffed the pack into the next drive in line, crashing that one, too, as the heads encountered the plowed-up aluminum from the first crash. He then proceeded to put that increasingly lethal pack into every single drive in the room, in some instances physically ripping the heads from their brackets.</blockquote>
::::Nice! Just absolutely NICE! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah! Actually, I didn't know it would destroy the media. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::::::I see anony's point about the obviousness of this fact, but the reason I think it should stay is precisely because of people who do crapfully crappy things like that above. Besides, for those of us who know better, it just gives us a chance to laugh at those who don't. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Quite. ''stupid is as stupid does'' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::oops forgot to add my sig...im not an annony lol i just think that putting that remark isnt really neccassary. -[[User:Darkstalker|Darkstalker]]

== The computer in the poster takes 5¼ disks ==

Not only does folding a large disk to fit it into the drive not work at all, but the computer pictured on the poster that he holds the folded disk up to appears to have two 5¼" drives on the front, not 3½", so Strong Bad wouldn't even need to fold it. ~Garglfluz doesn't know how to do sigs

He said "New computers", not "Computers like the one in this poster". ~[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 10:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
:Strong Bad actually said "'''these''' new computers" from what I could hear, and clearly indicated the computer in the picture (by pointing at it with the disk). Maybe I'm just arguing semantics, but I think Garglfluz's argument is valid. ~[[User:Bruce|Bruce]]

:[[Help:Signature|how to create sigs]] ~{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
::My guess is the lappy takes 3.5" disks and he may be referring to that computer or computers like it since the lappy is "new technology" for him. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Nalgene ==

Pom Pom is not using a Nalgene because Nalgenes have flat sides. Once you zoom in it is obvious that this is not the case and that Pom Pom is drinking a store bought bottled water. - [[User:BlackWidower|BlackWidower]] 14:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:All Nalgene bottles do not have flat sides. See [http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/ their website] for examples. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

::Whoops, you didn't mean flat as in rectangular prism, you meant flat as in a smooth cylinder. Yeah, it has a bumpy texture and that lends me to believe it is not a Nalgene. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah I meant flat as in smooth. Mine is round. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 23:53, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Binary ==

Does the binary meen anything? {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:50, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
:See the [[technology#Trivia|Trivia]] for that. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

== Suncance Film Festival ==

Does anyone else think the entry on Sundance is a little confusing? It makes it sound like Robert Redford ''and'' the Sundance Channel, whereas I beleive the channel actually started much later.

:Sundance is an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford and also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.

Maybe change it to:

:Sundance refers to an annual independent film festival in Park City, Utah, founded by actor Robert Redford. Sundance is also a US pay cable television channel showing similar films.

Including the appropriate links, of course. —{{User:Jqubed/sig}}

HRWiki talk:IRC channel

2006-01-04T23:00:40Z

Jqubed: agreeing with Stux's plan...

== Banned? ==
Whenever I try to log on to the IRC channel, it says that I am banned. Did I do something wrong? I hope not, because I was only on it once and barely did anything. I am connecting to the #hrnet IRC channel fine, so it isn't my client. So can you help me out? {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:What's your nick? Your IP address?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, my nick is Pixelated or pixelated and my IP changes constantly, so there is no real way of telling. {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:Try going to [http://www.ipchicken.com IPChicken.com]. To unban you we'll need your IP and possibly the name of your service provider. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Site notice template ==
I created a template for the Monday scheduled chat site notice, [[:Template:scheduledchat]]:

<div style="text-align: center; padding: 0.5em; margin: 10px; border-top: 2px solid #ccc; border-bottom: 2px solid #ccc; background: #fff;">{{scheduledchat}}</div>

Any thoughts on how it is worded? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it! That looks pretty cool. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Time? ==
Does everyone agree Monday would be the best day of the week? I'm thinking of widening the time out to an hour earlier and an hour later (i.e. 2-6pm Pacific, etc). How does that sound? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, Monday is probably the best

== Brit and Aussie chats? ==

I don't want to leave our international friends out of the loop here. Do we have enough Brits and Aussies to set up more convenient scheduled chats for them as well? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I haven't figured out how to word it concisely, but we should note that 5–9 pm ET is 21:00–1:00 UTC during Daylight Time, 22:00–2:00 UTC during standard time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I don't know whether there are many people overseas missing out, but the times scheduled at the moment is 7 AM to 11 AM on a Tuesday for Australian Eastern Standard Time (or 6.30 - 10.30 for Central Standard Time, or 5 AM to 9 AM for Western Standard Time). And daylight savings is plus one hour. I'm think we should just change "GMT" to "UTC", because GMT is one hour ahead of UTC in the summer. I'm going to create a little table with the time in different timezones. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html And this thing is useful for figuring out times on different timezones]. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I realize Rainer put a lot of effort into the time zone table, but it's incorrect. It lists the times for New York as 4:00pm–8:00pm, with a note (way down at the bottom) that you should add an hour in the summer. But this is not true—If I read correctly what Joey wrote, then it will ''always'' be 5–9pm ET, regardless of whether the U.S. is currently observing Daylight Saving Time. Therefore, one could say that the schedule is based on ''current continental American time'', not Universal Time (UTC). In other words, the chat is from 21:00 to 1:00 when ''the United States'' is observing Daylight Time, 22:00 to 2:00 when it is not. Americentric, maybe, but true nevertheless. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps this creates extra work down the road, but we could scrap the notes at the bottom, correct the table for current conditions, and update the table each time daylight savings changes occur. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I did away with the coplicated table. (Sorry, Rainer.) In its place there's a link to the World Time Server, which will let users quickly and easily choose their time zone to figure the start time. The link is dynamic, so it should always give accurate information no matter what the time of year (with the small exception already noted on the page). I also simplified which U.S. time zones were listed on the page to just Eastern/Pacific, since it's less cluttered, and I think most people are used to that from TV anyway. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thoroughly Confused!!! ==

I'm a Mac-user, and none of these IRC clients have a program for Mac. I'm sickeningly horrible with computers, so I have no clue how to get any of this up and running. Whenever I use the chat without a client, it says it can't connect! Can someone help me out here please? -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 00:16, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:IRC#Clients]] lists a number of clients for Macintosh. Hope this helps you get connected. We'd love to see you in the channel. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Should we list Gaim as working on Macs? It does, but not in a user-friendly manner off a download from the Gaim page. — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 04:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

::Hi! If you notice the Gaim entry under IRC clients already mentions that it works in several platforms, and lists mac as one of them. I think this should be sufficient. There are other Mac clients now listed that you can try if you're looking for one. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, I meant not listing Gaim as working on Mac OS X. According to [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q10 their FAQ] it does work, but only if you compile it yourself and run it with a few other downloads. I was thinking it might be more confusing to people like the person who started this if we list something that requires a few more advanced actions on their part. — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 16:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Yes, while the steps required to install Gaim on OS X is meant for the more experienced user, that is not reason enough to remove the mention of it having mac support. The faq entry you provided mentions an alternate installation called Adium. <s>I have linked to Adium's home page from the Mac entry for gaim. This should be sufficient for the novice user.</s> Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Oh crap! I was reading through Adium's [http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/InternetRelayChat FAQ] and it turns out they don't support IRC. If someone developed a plug-in it would be a zinch, but no one has. The only other thing I could think of would be to mention that it is not for novice users. There are other options there too I think users might be likely to pick first, like Colloquy? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:07, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::That sounds like a good plan to me. I guess if someone on here who uses a Mac could suggest which one they prefer, we mightGet a recommendation... yeah, I stirred this up without being a Mac user... I just use Gaim and initially thought it wasn't offered for Macs... — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 23:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

== On the current scheduling ==

While it may not have been much of a problem when we were all out of school, Monday nights are now less optimal than other nights, inasmuch as everyone requires their sleep on that night in preparation for Tuesday. However, I'm not here to state the obvious. My proposition is that we change the formal chat party night to Friday. In addition to the length everyone can stay up, another point still stands: on a Monday, one has to not only get to sleep on time, but do homework. On Friday, one can do homework or save it for the weekend. As such, Friday would probably be a much more ideal night for the parties. I'd hope that I share this belief with others... if you do, share that below, please. Oh, and forgot to note: this is not to say that Monday night parties are not of any sense, they can still be held. I merely am asking that a chat party be held on Friday nights, as well. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 19:07, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Wasn't the original intent of the chat channel to discuss Monday updates? Nonetheless, that's the last thing we ever talk about in there anymore. I'm all up for moving it to Friday. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:11, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Sure, I can't be there every Friday, but at least more than Monday. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::In keeping with the original intent, I'd like to keep holding scheduled chats on Mondays, but I have nothing against holding them on Fridays as well, and it seems logical. We've had more people in the channel lately, so bringing the scheduled chats up to twice weekly sounds like a good idea. I'll go ahead and update the sitenotice template and the IRC channel page accordingly. See you in the channel! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:23, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::That would work great for me, seeing as it would start 7AM Saturday for me, and I can only go on the computer at that time on weekends. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:07, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== A suggestion in light of circumstances ==

It seems to me as if the chat parties have lost something recently... the sort of comraderie once had in said gatherings is now drowned and diluted by the influx of *ahem* newer persons. This coincides with the beginning of the consistency of the usage of the wiki-wide notice about the chat parties. It helps not that the notice gathers the intention of the newcomers from HR.net, those well-intentioned '''and''' those not so. At present rate, regardless of their origin, it attracts the eye of a many who think it most amusing to simply be annoying idiots. In favour of the notice's removal? Not in favour? If in favour, please say so, and if not in favour, please say why. Thanks, [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 22:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I'm going to have to agree with Suicune on this one. Just the other day we had three impersonating trolls online. And I should hope that none of them were from '''this''' website. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::I'm in favor. Today's scheduled chat starts in about 5 minutes, and I'm not going to advertise it. We'll see how this goes. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

== fanstuff channel ==

Homesar999, I appreciate your enthusiasm and desire to be impact the hr community, but please understand that since it is not officially a part of the wiki, it doesn't really belong in this page at this point in time. Perhaps at a future time it might be more appropriate to do so, but not right now. However, I am not an admin of the wiki and if the administration deems it proper to include it then it will be done. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:Unless the specific conditions Joey spelled out on his talk page were met, it would indeed not be proper. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::My IRC channel (which was in use) predates Joey's by two months. Also, Joey was unbanned. I'm reverting, thank you. Also, I'd also appreciate that you don't talk to me like a newbie. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]
:::I don't think they were talking to you like a "newbie", but rather just clearing up the situation. No one was trying to offend you in away. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 06:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Do not include #fanstuff on this page. Continued addition of such a link, despite explicit instructions not to do so, would seem like an effort to disrupt the Wiki. Please stop. Consider this your final warning, Homsar999.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Disrupting the wiki? You'd be pissed off, too, Tom, if you created a channel for a wiki '''2 months before''', then it was recreated and listed. (I realize it was created by JoeyDay, but my channel has been around longer, and deserves some recognition. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]

::::::Homsar, there would be a huge difference if Tom opened the channel. In fact, Tom originally opened the #hrwiki channel. The difference is Tom is an admin and has some authority around here to open official channels. You on the other hand, are not an admin and have no authority to open anything official. It doesn't matter whose channel has been around longer. I've opened the #hrwiki-fanstuff channel as the official Fanstuff Wiki channel and that's the end of discussion. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Problammo ==

I tried logging in as Bassium! and it said invalid username disconnecting. Why? Where do I get a username? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:When you log onto the chat, click the bottom blue box. In there, type '''/msg Nickserv register Bassium! <password>''', replacing ''<password>'' with your password. If that doesn't let you, another user may have that nick. Consider appending numbers and try again. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:The problem is the exclamation mark. You can't have one in a username. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

==Codes==
Where do I learn codes to make stuff appear differently? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:Stuff? What kind of stuff are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::I believe he means the commands, like "/nick Nickname", or /me". {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope, I mean like making different type of font colors and such. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:I can't help you much, but I do know this: in the old days IRC used to have two colors: black, and white (or black and amber, or orange and black... you get the idea!) Then came this little chat program that became popular called mIRC and they decided one day to add colors to chat rooms! They were quite popular and many ppl used funky codes to display colors. You had to use mIRC to select them and see them as well. Wether that has become an IRC standard since then, I do not know. If it has, then that is where it comes from, if not, well... I cannot help you further. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

::An easy way that you could display the text in different colors is by holding down '''Ctrl''', then '''K'''. After that, add a number, from 1-16. You can also display a background by typing the # that represents the color of the font, a comma, then the # that represents the color of the background.

'''Example:''' ''Ctrl'', ''K''(a strange sign will appear) - now type in 2,4(with no spaces involved) - in this case, the '''2''' is representing the font color, which would show up blue. Now, the '''4''' is representing the background color, which would show up red.

Now, i'm not positive which number represents which color, so you'll just have to mess around and fuigure that out yourself. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 07:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Okay, when i try to log in as dbk, it shows me this.
 
<blockquote>
Connecting... 
Logging in... 
-- *** Looking up your hostname...
-- *** Found your hostname, welcome back 
-- *** Checking ident 
-- *** Got ident response 
Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid username [i=chat.hrw]) 
Disconnected from irc.us.freenode.net 
</blockquote>
 
Someone tell me whats going on? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

:This means the IRC server did not accept the username (User ID) settings. In the error message it shows the part it did not like between the [ ] brackets. Most probably there is at least one character in there that the server didn't like. We'll have to make sure to remove all strange characters from the User ID, like that period. In the meantime, just try again and hope the random server is a different one than that one.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== TriviaTime? ==

Two TriviaTime related questions:
# Should we link the #hrwiki-trivia channel as well, even though it's only usable when Joey's on (and has the time)?
# Should we have a weekly trivia session at the same times as the scheduled chat? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:My plan is to make the #hrwiki-trivia channel more public as soon as I've got TriviaTime on a computer that can be connected to the net 24/7. I'm looking into the possibility of getting an old PC from WGU, so sit tight for a few days and TriviaTime might be a permanent fixture in the channel. Then we can look into officially acknowledging the channel here and adding it as an option on the web-based interface. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 06:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

::Grood! I hope you're able to get the PC. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::I've modified the code of the chat.hrwiki.org site slightly. If you'd like to be able to use it to join the #hrwiki-trivia channel, Simply enter it from this link: [http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true]. That last part ("trivia=true") is a variable that tells the page to add the trivia channel to the list of choices. As noted above, the trivia channel will eventually be one of the permanent choices, but this gives everyone a way to get to it in the interrim. Let me know if you encounter any difficulty using this. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Topic Lock ==

Could someone with chanop powers please <code>/mode +t #HrWiki</code>... ChanServ's topiclock isn't perfect - it merely reverts the changes that are made but people still mess around with it. Plus everyone goes crazy with topic changing every time there's a netsplit and ChanServ leaves... Mode <code>+t</code> would have the same effect, but would be a lot cleaner. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

:It's certainly a shame that it has to come to this. I'm disappointed that people mess around with it and aren't capable of just leaving it alone.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not working ==

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:IRC_channel&curid=7750&diff=217722&oldid=217721&rcid=162097 Oh, so this happend to everyone?] {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:Yep. If you can get to chat.freenode.net (instead of irc.freenode.net), it will work. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:IRC channel

2006-01-04T16:24:01Z

Jqubed: Explaining why I think Gaim shouldn't be listed

== Banned? ==
Whenever I try to log on to the IRC channel, it says that I am banned. Did I do something wrong? I hope not, because I was only on it once and barely did anything. I am connecting to the #hrnet IRC channel fine, so it isn't my client. So can you help me out? {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:What's your nick? Your IP address?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, my nick is Pixelated or pixelated and my IP changes constantly, so there is no real way of telling. {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:Try going to [http://www.ipchicken.com IPChicken.com]. To unban you we'll need your IP and possibly the name of your service provider. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Site notice template ==
I created a template for the Monday scheduled chat site notice, [[:Template:scheduledchat]]:

<div style="text-align: center; padding: 0.5em; margin: 10px; border-top: 2px solid #ccc; border-bottom: 2px solid #ccc; background: #fff;">{{scheduledchat}}</div>

Any thoughts on how it is worded? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it! That looks pretty cool. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Time? ==
Does everyone agree Monday would be the best day of the week? I'm thinking of widening the time out to an hour earlier and an hour later (i.e. 2-6pm Pacific, etc). How does that sound? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, Monday is probably the best

== Brit and Aussie chats? ==

I don't want to leave our international friends out of the loop here. Do we have enough Brits and Aussies to set up more convenient scheduled chats for them as well? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I haven't figured out how to word it concisely, but we should note that 5–9 pm ET is 21:00–1:00 UTC during Daylight Time, 22:00–2:00 UTC during standard time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I don't know whether there are many people overseas missing out, but the times scheduled at the moment is 7 AM to 11 AM on a Tuesday for Australian Eastern Standard Time (or 6.30 - 10.30 for Central Standard Time, or 5 AM to 9 AM for Western Standard Time). And daylight savings is plus one hour. I'm think we should just change "GMT" to "UTC", because GMT is one hour ahead of UTC in the summer. I'm going to create a little table with the time in different timezones. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html And this thing is useful for figuring out times on different timezones]. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I realize Rainer put a lot of effort into the time zone table, but it's incorrect. It lists the times for New York as 4:00pm–8:00pm, with a note (way down at the bottom) that you should add an hour in the summer. But this is not true—If I read correctly what Joey wrote, then it will ''always'' be 5–9pm ET, regardless of whether the U.S. is currently observing Daylight Saving Time. Therefore, one could say that the schedule is based on ''current continental American time'', not Universal Time (UTC). In other words, the chat is from 21:00 to 1:00 when ''the United States'' is observing Daylight Time, 22:00 to 2:00 when it is not. Americentric, maybe, but true nevertheless. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps this creates extra work down the road, but we could scrap the notes at the bottom, correct the table for current conditions, and update the table each time daylight savings changes occur. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I did away with the coplicated table. (Sorry, Rainer.) In its place there's a link to the World Time Server, which will let users quickly and easily choose their time zone to figure the start time. The link is dynamic, so it should always give accurate information no matter what the time of year (with the small exception already noted on the page). I also simplified which U.S. time zones were listed on the page to just Eastern/Pacific, since it's less cluttered, and I think most people are used to that from TV anyway. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thoroughly Confused!!! ==

I'm a Mac-user, and none of these IRC clients have a program for Mac. I'm sickeningly horrible with computers, so I have no clue how to get any of this up and running. Whenever I use the chat without a client, it says it can't connect! Can someone help me out here please? -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 00:16, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:IRC#Clients]] lists a number of clients for Macintosh. Hope this helps you get connected. We'd love to see you in the channel. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Should we list Gaim as working on Macs? It does, but not in a user-friendly manner off a download from the Gaim page. — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 04:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

::Hi! If you notice the Gaim entry under IRC clients already mentions that it works in several platforms, and lists mac as one of them. I think this should be sufficient. There are other Mac clients now listed that you can try if you're looking for one. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, I meant not listing Gaim as working on Mac OS X. According to [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q10 their FAQ] it does work, but only if you compile it yourself and run it with a few other downloads. I was thinking it might be more confusing to people like the person who started this if we list something that requires a few more advanced actions on their part. — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 16:24, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

== On the current scheduling ==

While it may not have been much of a problem when we were all out of school, Monday nights are now less optimal than other nights, inasmuch as everyone requires their sleep on that night in preparation for Tuesday. However, I'm not here to state the obvious. My proposition is that we change the formal chat party night to Friday. In addition to the length everyone can stay up, another point still stands: on a Monday, one has to not only get to sleep on time, but do homework. On Friday, one can do homework or save it for the weekend. As such, Friday would probably be a much more ideal night for the parties. I'd hope that I share this belief with others... if you do, share that below, please. Oh, and forgot to note: this is not to say that Monday night parties are not of any sense, they can still be held. I merely am asking that a chat party be held on Friday nights, as well. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 19:07, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Wasn't the original intent of the chat channel to discuss Monday updates? Nonetheless, that's the last thing we ever talk about in there anymore. I'm all up for moving it to Friday. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:11, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Sure, I can't be there every Friday, but at least more than Monday. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::In keeping with the original intent, I'd like to keep holding scheduled chats on Mondays, but I have nothing against holding them on Fridays as well, and it seems logical. We've had more people in the channel lately, so bringing the scheduled chats up to twice weekly sounds like a good idea. I'll go ahead and update the sitenotice template and the IRC channel page accordingly. See you in the channel! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:23, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::That would work great for me, seeing as it would start 7AM Saturday for me, and I can only go on the computer at that time on weekends. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:07, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== A suggestion in light of circumstances ==

It seems to me as if the chat parties have lost something recently... the sort of comraderie once had in said gatherings is now drowned and diluted by the influx of *ahem* newer persons. This coincides with the beginning of the consistency of the usage of the wiki-wide notice about the chat parties. It helps not that the notice gathers the intention of the newcomers from HR.net, those well-intentioned '''and''' those not so. At present rate, regardless of their origin, it attracts the eye of a many who think it most amusing to simply be annoying idiots. In favour of the notice's removal? Not in favour? If in favour, please say so, and if not in favour, please say why. Thanks, [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 22:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I'm going to have to agree with Suicune on this one. Just the other day we had three impersonating trolls online. And I should hope that none of them were from '''this''' website. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::I'm in favor. Today's scheduled chat starts in about 5 minutes, and I'm not going to advertise it. We'll see how this goes. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

== fanstuff channel ==

Homesar999, I appreciate your enthusiasm and desire to be impact the hr community, but please understand that since it is not officially a part of the wiki, it doesn't really belong in this page at this point in time. Perhaps at a future time it might be more appropriate to do so, but not right now. However, I am not an admin of the wiki and if the administration deems it proper to include it then it will be done. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:Unless the specific conditions Joey spelled out on his talk page were met, it would indeed not be proper. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::My IRC channel (which was in use) predates Joey's by two months. Also, Joey was unbanned. I'm reverting, thank you. Also, I'd also appreciate that you don't talk to me like a newbie. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]
:::I don't think they were talking to you like a "newbie", but rather just clearing up the situation. No one was trying to offend you in away. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 06:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Do not include #fanstuff on this page. Continued addition of such a link, despite explicit instructions not to do so, would seem like an effort to disrupt the Wiki. Please stop. Consider this your final warning, Homsar999.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Disrupting the wiki? You'd be pissed off, too, Tom, if you created a channel for a wiki '''2 months before''', then it was recreated and listed. (I realize it was created by JoeyDay, but my channel has been around longer, and deserves some recognition. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]

::::::Homsar, there would be a huge difference if Tom opened the channel. In fact, Tom originally opened the #hrwiki channel. The difference is Tom is an admin and has some authority around here to open official channels. You on the other hand, are not an admin and have no authority to open anything official. It doesn't matter whose channel has been around longer. I've opened the #hrwiki-fanstuff channel as the official Fanstuff Wiki channel and that's the end of discussion. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Problammo ==

I tried logging in as Bassium! and it said invalid username disconnecting. Why? Where do I get a username? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:When you log onto the chat, click the bottom blue box. In there, type '''/msg Nickserv register Bassium! <password>''', replacing ''<password>'' with your password. If that doesn't let you, another user may have that nick. Consider appending numbers and try again. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:The problem is the exclamation mark. You can't have one in a username. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

==Codes==
Where do I learn codes to make stuff appear differently? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:Stuff? What kind of stuff are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::I believe he means the commands, like "/nick Nickname", or /me". {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope, I mean like making different type of font colors and such. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:I can't help you much, but I do know this: in the old days IRC used to have two colors: black, and white (or black and amber, or orange and black... you get the idea!) Then came this little chat program that became popular called mIRC and they decided one day to add colors to chat rooms! They were quite popular and many ppl used funky codes to display colors. You had to use mIRC to select them and see them as well. Wether that has become an IRC standard since then, I do not know. If it has, then that is where it comes from, if not, well... I cannot help you further. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

::An easy way that you could display the text in different colors is by holding down '''Ctrl''', then '''K'''. After that, add a number, from 1-16. You can also display a background by typing the # that represents the color of the font, a comma, then the # that represents the color of the background.

'''Example:''' ''Ctrl'', ''K''(a strange sign will appear) - now type in 2,4(with no spaces involved) - in this case, the '''2''' is representing the font color, which would show up blue. Now, the '''4''' is representing the background color, which would show up red.

Now, i'm not positive which number represents which color, so you'll just have to mess around and fuigure that out yourself. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 07:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Okay, when i try to log in as dbk, it shows me this.
 
<blockquote>
Connecting... 
Logging in... 
-- *** Looking up your hostname...
-- *** Found your hostname, welcome back 
-- *** Checking ident 
-- *** Got ident response 
Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid username [i=chat.hrw]) 
Disconnected from irc.us.freenode.net 
</blockquote>
 
Someone tell me whats going on? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

:This means the IRC server did not accept the username (User ID) settings. In the error message it shows the part it did not like between the [ ] brackets. Most probably there is at least one character in there that the server didn't like. We'll have to make sure to remove all strange characters from the User ID, like that period. In the meantime, just try again and hope the random server is a different one than that one.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== TriviaTime? ==

Two TriviaTime related questions:
# Should we link the #hrwiki-trivia channel as well, even though it's only usable when Joey's on (and has the time)?
# Should we have a weekly trivia session at the same times as the scheduled chat? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:My plan is to make the #hrwiki-trivia channel more public as soon as I've got TriviaTime on a computer that can be connected to the net 24/7. I'm looking into the possibility of getting an old PC from WGU, so sit tight for a few days and TriviaTime might be a permanent fixture in the channel. Then we can look into officially acknowledging the channel here and adding it as an option on the web-based interface. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 06:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

::Grood! I hope you're able to get the PC. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::I've modified the code of the chat.hrwiki.org site slightly. If you'd like to be able to use it to join the #hrwiki-trivia channel, Simply enter it from this link: [http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true]. That last part ("trivia=true") is a variable that tells the page to add the trivia channel to the list of choices. As noted above, the trivia channel will eventually be one of the permanent choices, but this gives everyone a way to get to it in the interrim. Let me know if you encounter any difficulty using this. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Topic Lock ==

Could someone with chanop powers please <code>/mode +t #HrWiki</code>... ChanServ's topiclock isn't perfect - it merely reverts the changes that are made but people still mess around with it. Plus everyone goes crazy with topic changing every time there's a netsplit and ChanServ leaves... Mode <code>+t</code> would have the same effect, but would be a lot cleaner. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

:It's certainly a shame that it has to come to this. I'm disappointed that people mess around with it and aren't capable of just leaving it alone.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not working ==

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:IRC_channel&curid=7750&diff=217722&oldid=217721&rcid=162097 Oh, so this happend to everyone?] {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:Yep. If you can get to chat.freenode.net (instead of irc.freenode.net), it will work. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:IRC channel

2006-01-04T04:59:28Z

Jqubed: Wondering about listing Gaim as Mac-friendly

== Banned? ==
Whenever I try to log on to the IRC channel, it says that I am banned. Did I do something wrong? I hope not, because I was only on it once and barely did anything. I am connecting to the #hrnet IRC channel fine, so it isn't my client. So can you help me out? {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:What's your nick? Your IP address?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, my nick is Pixelated or pixelated and my IP changes constantly, so there is no real way of telling. {{User:pixelated/sig}}

:Try going to [http://www.ipchicken.com IPChicken.com]. To unban you we'll need your IP and possibly the name of your service provider. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:53, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

== Site notice template ==
I created a template for the Monday scheduled chat site notice, [[:Template:scheduledchat]]:

<div style="text-align: center; padding: 0.5em; margin: 10px; border-top: 2px solid #ccc; border-bottom: 2px solid #ccc; background: #fff;">{{scheduledchat}}</div>

Any thoughts on how it is worded? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it! That looks pretty cool. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Time? ==
Does everyone agree Monday would be the best day of the week? I'm thinking of widening the time out to an hour earlier and an hour later (i.e. 2-6pm Pacific, etc). How does that sound? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, Monday is probably the best

== Brit and Aussie chats? ==

I don't want to leave our international friends out of the loop here. Do we have enough Brits and Aussies to set up more convenient scheduled chats for them as well? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I haven't figured out how to word it concisely, but we should note that 5–9 pm ET is 21:00–1:00 UTC during Daylight Time, 22:00–2:00 UTC during standard time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I don't know whether there are many people overseas missing out, but the times scheduled at the moment is 7 AM to 11 AM on a Tuesday for Australian Eastern Standard Time (or 6.30 - 10.30 for Central Standard Time, or 5 AM to 9 AM for Western Standard Time). And daylight savings is plus one hour. I'm think we should just change "GMT" to "UTC", because GMT is one hour ahead of UTC in the summer. I'm going to create a little table with the time in different timezones. [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html And this thing is useful for figuring out times on different timezones]. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:06, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I realize Rainer put a lot of effort into the time zone table, but it's incorrect. It lists the times for New York as 4:00pm–8:00pm, with a note (way down at the bottom) that you should add an hour in the summer. But this is not true—If I read correctly what Joey wrote, then it will ''always'' be 5–9pm ET, regardless of whether the U.S. is currently observing Daylight Saving Time. Therefore, one could say that the schedule is based on ''current continental American time'', not Universal Time (UTC). In other words, the chat is from 21:00 to 1:00 when ''the United States'' is observing Daylight Time, 22:00 to 2:00 when it is not. Americentric, maybe, but true nevertheless. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps this creates extra work down the road, but we could scrap the notes at the bottom, correct the table for current conditions, and update the table each time daylight savings changes occur. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I did away with the coplicated table. (Sorry, Rainer.) In its place there's a link to the World Time Server, which will let users quickly and easily choose their time zone to figure the start time. The link is dynamic, so it should always give accurate information no matter what the time of year (with the small exception already noted on the page). I also simplified which U.S. time zones were listed on the page to just Eastern/Pacific, since it's less cluttered, and I think most people are used to that from TV anyway. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thoroughly Confused!!! ==

I'm a Mac-user, and none of these IRC clients have a program for Mac. I'm sickeningly horrible with computers, so I have no clue how to get any of this up and running. Whenever I use the chat without a client, it says it can't connect! Can someone help me out here please? -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 00:16, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:IRC#Clients]] lists a number of clients for Macintosh. Hope this helps you get connected. We'd love to see you in the channel. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Should we list Gaim as working on Macs? It does, but not in a user-friendly manner off a download from the Gaim page. — {{User:Jqubed/sig}} 04:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

== On the current scheduling ==

While it may not have been much of a problem when we were all out of school, Monday nights are now less optimal than other nights, inasmuch as everyone requires their sleep on that night in preparation for Tuesday. However, I'm not here to state the obvious. My proposition is that we change the formal chat party night to Friday. In addition to the length everyone can stay up, another point still stands: on a Monday, one has to not only get to sleep on time, but do homework. On Friday, one can do homework or save it for the weekend. As such, Friday would probably be a much more ideal night for the parties. I'd hope that I share this belief with others... if you do, share that below, please. Oh, and forgot to note: this is not to say that Monday night parties are not of any sense, they can still be held. I merely am asking that a chat party be held on Friday nights, as well. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 19:07, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Wasn't the original intent of the chat channel to discuss Monday updates? Nonetheless, that's the last thing we ever talk about in there anymore. I'm all up for moving it to Friday. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:11, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Sure, I can't be there every Friday, but at least more than Monday. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::In keeping with the original intent, I'd like to keep holding scheduled chats on Mondays, but I have nothing against holding them on Fridays as well, and it seems logical. We've had more people in the channel lately, so bringing the scheduled chats up to twice weekly sounds like a good idea. I'll go ahead and update the sitenotice template and the IRC channel page accordingly. See you in the channel! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:23, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::That would work great for me, seeing as it would start 7AM Saturday for me, and I can only go on the computer at that time on weekends. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:07, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== A suggestion in light of circumstances ==

It seems to me as if the chat parties have lost something recently... the sort of comraderie once had in said gatherings is now drowned and diluted by the influx of *ahem* newer persons. This coincides with the beginning of the consistency of the usage of the wiki-wide notice about the chat parties. It helps not that the notice gathers the intention of the newcomers from HR.net, those well-intentioned '''and''' those not so. At present rate, regardless of their origin, it attracts the eye of a many who think it most amusing to simply be annoying idiots. In favour of the notice's removal? Not in favour? If in favour, please say so, and if not in favour, please say why. Thanks, [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 22:21, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I'm going to have to agree with Suicune on this one. Just the other day we had three impersonating trolls online. And I should hope that none of them were from '''this''' website. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::I'm in favor. Today's scheduled chat starts in about 5 minutes, and I'm not going to advertise it. We'll see how this goes. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

== fanstuff channel ==

Homesar999, I appreciate your enthusiasm and desire to be impact the hr community, but please understand that since it is not officially a part of the wiki, it doesn't really belong in this page at this point in time. Perhaps at a future time it might be more appropriate to do so, but not right now. However, I am not an admin of the wiki and if the administration deems it proper to include it then it will be done. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:Unless the specific conditions Joey spelled out on his talk page were met, it would indeed not be proper. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:24, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::My IRC channel (which was in use) predates Joey's by two months. Also, Joey was unbanned. I'm reverting, thank you. Also, I'd also appreciate that you don't talk to me like a newbie. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]
:::I don't think they were talking to you like a "newbie", but rather just clearing up the situation. No one was trying to offend you in away. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 06:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Do not include #fanstuff on this page. Continued addition of such a link, despite explicit instructions not to do so, would seem like an effort to disrupt the Wiki. Please stop. Consider this your final warning, Homsar999.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Disrupting the wiki? You'd be pissed off, too, Tom, if you created a channel for a wiki '''2 months before''', then it was recreated and listed. (I realize it was created by JoeyDay, but my channel has been around longer, and deserves some recognition. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]

::::::Homsar, there would be a huge difference if Tom opened the channel. In fact, Tom originally opened the #hrwiki channel. The difference is Tom is an admin and has some authority around here to open official channels. You on the other hand, are not an admin and have no authority to open anything official. It doesn't matter whose channel has been around longer. I've opened the #hrwiki-fanstuff channel as the official Fanstuff Wiki channel and that's the end of discussion. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:49, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Problammo ==

I tried logging in as Bassium! and it said invalid username disconnecting. Why? Where do I get a username? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:When you log onto the chat, click the bottom blue box. In there, type '''/msg Nickserv register Bassium! <password>''', replacing ''<password>'' with your password. If that doesn't let you, another user may have that nick. Consider appending numbers and try again. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:The problem is the exclamation mark. You can't have one in a username. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:45, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

==Codes==
Where do I learn codes to make stuff appear differently? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:Stuff? What kind of stuff are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::I believe he means the commands, like "/nick Nickname", or /me". {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:29, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Nope, I mean like making different type of font colors and such. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:I can't help you much, but I do know this: in the old days IRC used to have two colors: black, and white (or black and amber, or orange and black... you get the idea!) Then came this little chat program that became popular called mIRC and they decided one day to add colors to chat rooms! They were quite popular and many ppl used funky codes to display colors. You had to use mIRC to select them and see them as well. Wether that has become an IRC standard since then, I do not know. If it has, then that is where it comes from, if not, well... I cannot help you further. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

::An easy way that you could display the text in different colors is by holding down '''Ctrl''', then '''K'''. After that, add a number, from 1-16. You can also display a background by typing the # that represents the color of the font, a comma, then the # that represents the color of the background.

'''Example:''' ''Ctrl'', ''K''(a strange sign will appear) - now type in 2,4(with no spaces involved) - in this case, the '''2''' is representing the font color, which would show up blue. Now, the '''4''' is representing the background color, which would show up red.

Now, i'm not positive which number represents which color, so you'll just have to mess around and fuigure that out yourself. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 07:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== Help! ==

Okay, when i try to log in as dbk, it shows me this.
 
<blockquote>
Connecting... 
Logging in... 
-- *** Looking up your hostname...
-- *** Found your hostname, welcome back 
-- *** Checking ident 
-- *** Got ident response 
Error : Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Invalid username [i=chat.hrw]) 
Disconnected from irc.us.freenode.net 
</blockquote>
 
Someone tell me whats going on? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

:This means the IRC server did not accept the username (User ID) settings. In the error message it shows the part it did not like between the [ ] brackets. Most probably there is at least one character in there that the server didn't like. We'll have to make sure to remove all strange characters from the User ID, like that period. In the meantime, just try again and hope the random server is a different one than that one.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

== TriviaTime? ==

Two TriviaTime related questions:
# Should we link the #hrwiki-trivia channel as well, even though it's only usable when Joey's on (and has the time)?
# Should we have a weekly trivia session at the same times as the scheduled chat? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:My plan is to make the #hrwiki-trivia channel more public as soon as I've got TriviaTime on a computer that can be connected to the net 24/7. I'm looking into the possibility of getting an old PC from WGU, so sit tight for a few days and TriviaTime might be a permanent fixture in the channel. Then we can look into officially acknowledging the channel here and adding it as an option on the web-based interface. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 06:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

::Grood! I hope you're able to get the PC. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::I've modified the code of the chat.hrwiki.org site slightly. If you'd like to be able to use it to join the #hrwiki-trivia channel, Simply enter it from this link: [http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true http://chat.hrwiki.org?trivia=true]. That last part ("trivia=true") is a variable that tells the page to add the trivia channel to the list of choices. As noted above, the trivia channel will eventually be one of the permanent choices, but this gives everyone a way to get to it in the interrim. Let me know if you encounter any difficulty using this. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== Topic Lock ==

Could someone with chanop powers please <code>/mode +t #HrWiki</code>... ChanServ's topiclock isn't perfect - it merely reverts the changes that are made but people still mess around with it. Plus everyone goes crazy with topic changing every time there's a netsplit and ChanServ leaves... Mode <code>+t</code> would have the same effect, but would be a lot cleaner. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:21, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

:It's certainly a shame that it has to come to this. I'm disappointed that people mess around with it and aren't capable of just leaving it alone.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not working ==

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:IRC_channel&curid=7750&diff=217722&oldid=217721&rcid=162097 Oh, so this happend to everyone?] {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:Yep. If you can get to chat.freenode.net (instead of irc.freenode.net), it will work. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:08, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Jqubed/sig

2006-01-03T04:57:42Z

Jqubed: changed upcase J to lowercase

[[User:Jqubed|jqubed]] ([[User talk:Jqubed|talk]])

User:Jqubed/sig

2006-01-03T04:55:29Z

Jqubed: created sig

[[User:Jqubed|Jqubed]] ([[User talk:Jqubed|talk]])

User talk:Jqubed

2006-01-03T04:49:35Z

Jqubed: changed -- to em dash

{{User:Heimstern Läufer/welcome}} 05:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

== Jqubed to jqubed ==

When we [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5]] a while ago, several users had a significant issue: they couldn't log in. These users all had a lowercase first letter of his or her username. I'm not entirely sure if you can have a lowercase username now, but if you can, you can request it at [[HRWiki:Changing username]]. See you around. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, it looks like I can't change to the lowercase for now. Oh well, I'll just use my displayed name as jqubed. —[[User:Jqubed|jqubed]] 04:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Jqubed

2006-01-03T04:45:46Z

Jqubed: /* Jqubed to jqubed */

{{User:Heimstern Läufer/welcome}} 05:22, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

== Jqubed to jqubed ==

When we [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5]] a while ago, several users had a significant issue: they couldn't log in. These users all had a lowercase first letter of his or her username. I'm not entirely sure if you can have a lowercase username now, but if you can, you can request it at [[HRWiki:Changing username]]. See you around. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes, it looks like I can't change to the lowercase for now. Oh well, I'll just use my displayed name as jqubed. --[[User:Jqubed|jqubed]] 04:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Jqubed

2006-01-02T05:55:31Z

Jqubed: Initial user page

figured i ought to register... i'll probably just be editing grammar and spelling, or contributing fun facts... i'm a treasure trove of useless knowledge

i would like to know if that initial 'J' in my username can be changed to a lower-case 'j'