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== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I also think Bland's voice sounds a bit Mike... but I also think it could have been done by Matt. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

just to settle this useless suablle, i saying that if you wangt to find out who's right, then i suggest that you should ask the creaters that so this pointless argueing will stop.- someone who's not a user and sucks at spelling, but comes here anyways

I clearly hear "still." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It kinda sounds like "you'se oily brains". [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 11:35, 30 August 2006 (CST)

Despite Smallowman ironclad rebuttal, I ''do'' in fact hear "Alright, youse hose brains." Now I qualify that with the fact that it doesn't make much sense. (It reminded me of a line in a Muppet movie where someone calls Gonzo "hose nose.") So I'm not to sure about "hose." However, I strongly suggest that the "s" sound after "you" be considered part of "youse" and not necessarily the starting consonant of the next word. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm pretty sure it's not "oily", at any rate, because I hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's still listed as "oily", and I ''still'' hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:I've always heard "slow". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I am a hundred and ten percent sure he said "youse hose brains." --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 22:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this might not make any sense, but I think he says "All right, youze 'zoid' brains..." -[[User:Everybody!|Everybody!]] 14:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah...did anyone else play that World Cup soccer game for the Nintendo? The part where Homestar does the backflip looks exactly like the super kick moves in that game. --Xhad

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

::I'm gonna agree with that as well. I think he might just be saying doofus after all. {{unsigned|0rion|06:15, 17 January 2007}}

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:In response to It's dot com: I agree with the context and does-it-make-sense argument. On the other hand, I can't be too certain about consonants, but the vowel sound I hear is "oo", and I have trouble reconciling it with "Homestar." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I honestly think that hes says Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-'''No-show'''.--[[User:Zerlock1124|Zerlock1124]] 04:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

"Pom Pom Strong Bad Dumpface." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Here's a change I noticed- 5. At the end of the book, Pom Pom shared his trophy with Homestar. In this he took all the credit and tried to keep the trophy for himself. -[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

*it could be hidden behind the other grapes (as in it slid down when it was put on)-Zerlock1124

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.

:Wow. Do a little looking into actual faerie tales. Not only are all faires NOT girls, but almost none of them are flitty little sparkly things (i.e. Tinkerbell) type fairies either.

:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Announcer- you "can't not" not "can not" ==
In the transcript the line the announcer says "...you ''can'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest" but it should read "...you ''can't'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest," both because that's what the announcer says, and because that's what makes sense grammatically and humorously.
-David

:David, all I can say is that we've heard people claim it's "can't" and other people say it's "can". The consensus is that it's "can". And I disagree that "can't not" makes sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well "can't not" makes sense because it's a double negative, meaning they can, in fact, be ready. And really, they can. Why would they NOT be able to be ready?
:::I'm sorry, but there's no way you're ready for the response I have for that one! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure sure I can't not be ready for your response. :)
:::::Ah, but whether you are or not, I still said you were unready. That's what I said, and I'm sticking to it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm on your side, David. "Can't not" is what I heard and I changed the transcript accordingly, but it was changed back. Gotta be a consensus. --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I definitely can not hear "can't not", as I can not hear a T even though I haven't not been listening to it (I haven't been listening to it not closely) and with headphones that aren't not good. Do you not get it? ;) Anyway, yeah. "Can not." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::"Can't not" makes sense to me as in "There's no way you could possibly ''not'' be ready for this,". I think there's no t sound at the end of "can't" because of the accent being used. I don't hear much of a t at the end of "not" either, but it's clearly not "naw". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree, as I both hear "can not" and think it's funnier that way. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

== Shot for shot ==

In addition to the intro and the fade out, there are at least three scenes that are very specifically shot-for-shot recreations of the Original Book. I submit that these are notable, and should be shown in side-by-side comparisons. I'm talking about:

1. "Watch out, PETE BEST!"

2. "Tiny, inverse suns"

3. "Strong Bad did a jig"

The action poses for Mr. Bland and Señor are also taken from the OB.

Also notable are certain lines that are immediate recongizable:

*"Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete."
*"Everybody loves the me. I'm a terrific athlete."

*"I'm the very strongest! You guys are not very strong!"
*"I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong."

*"I will drop my grapes and uncover that CHEAT!"
*"I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat!"

*"OH NO!" screamed Strong Bad.
*"Oh noooo!"

The reason that I say that these are significant and not just "yeah, it's a remake" is that they are so rare. Adding those few little pieces in precisely as in the original is very much in the style of homage. If there were more of them, as in the remake of In Search of the Yello Dello, I wouldn't think it significant--but the little places where the two synch up gives a longtime H*R fan a little thrill of recognition, and the BC know that. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:You're using [[Strumstar Hammer]] as the model, y'know. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just used those because I find them more immediately recognizable as locators, and because it's funnier that way. I could say "the initial piles of 20 grapes," "the first round of added grapes," and "Strong Bad wobbling before falling down" -- but what fun would that be? --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Everything that happened in the original book, except Pom Pom willingly sharing the trophy, happened in the remake. And, in fact, the one difference is more surprising to me than any of the ton of similarities. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, technically, that's speculation. Homestar didn't ask for P2 to ''share'' the golbol, but to ''give him'' the golbol. Maybe Pom Pom keeps telling him that he wants to share it, and Homestar is the one not willing to share. While I think it would definitely be a funny ending if Pom Pom wants to keep the golbol to himself, we don't know if that's true.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::That was my interpretation, but I guess I see what you're saying. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::To my mind, there's a huge difference between a similarity (most of the plot) and a recreation of a scene or an image. In any remake, there are typically a few scenes that pay direct homage to the original version, and those are usually called out by reviewers. And while there are a ton of vague similarities, there are very few lines or images that correspond directly to the original. I can't understand how those could not be considered notable -- especially since the technique of recreating the original pose was used for the intro and outro of the toon. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::But it's arguable that this is less a remake than a "make" - the OB was never animated in the first place. As I said before, the only thing that (arguably) ''didn't'' happen in the 'toon that did happen in the original book was double-P sharing the GB. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Brooklyn Accent==

I am really suprised that there is nothing her about this but am I the ONLY one who hears the Grape Fairie say "Honest to God Mookie Wilson gave the golbol to my Aunt in 1973"? And am I the only one who thinks that "gave me the golbol to my hands" makes absolutely no sense? It's just that it doesn't feel right. even if it's not what I have there earlier, it's something about his "ant." Just a thought.--{{User:CoffeeCup73|CoffeeCup73}} 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Whether or not he says "aunt" or "hands", he definitely say "gave me". "Gave me the golbol to my aunt" makes even less sense than "gave me to my hands", which is really just an odd way of saying "he personally put it in my hands himself". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I also thought it was aunt but his voice is so hard to tell that anyone can make a mistake [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps -- and this may be a stretch -- he's saying that they were in Miami. I swear I can hear "Honest to God Mookie Wilson gave me the golbol in Miami in 1973." Reasonable? --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 03:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Once Upon a Time ==
Here's a piece of STUFF that got deleted within the first day: "This toon might include references to old Disney movies that began with a storybook opening, then fading into animation." The reason it got deleted was because I was the first person to write it. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's too TTATOT for a reference. I think it's just there to remind people that it's a book remake. Take me, for instance, who didn't realize that it was a book remake until Mr. Bland was introduced. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 22:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Inverse? Converse? ==

Here's a fun fact that I've removed:
*Strong Bad makes the comment: "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong!" However, he clearly meant to say conversely.
First of all, if this is re-admitted, it shouldn't say "clearly" because it's anything but clear. Secondly, Wikipedia states that the definition of [[Wikipedia:Inverse (logic)|inverse]] can include "all not P are not Q" which fits Strong Bad's use of the word. Filling in the blanks, he's saying "all not Strong Bads are not very strong". Actually, Wikipedia's best examples are on the page for [[Wikipedia:contraposition|contraposition]], though it uses the mathematical definitions instead of the logical definitions (and I'm unclear as to the specific differences between them).

The point is, Strong Bad's use of the word seems to be sound. The converse statement would be, "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, conversely, the very strongest are me." I say remove the fun fact. Oh, and sorry for bringing this up about a year too late.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 06:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:The inverse of "I am the very strongest" would be "I am not the very strongest" which in this case would be equal to "One of you is the very strongest, but I am not". Clearly, this is not what he said.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::Pardon my bluntness, but says who?--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Says someone who studied Philosophy and Computer Science and should know a fair bit about logic. In my many years at university, I only ever encountered the first of the two meanings (which is equal to a negation) listed in that 'Kipedia article, and so I dismissed the second meaning (which is basically stating the same fact in a different way). Some torturing of the intarwebs showed that the second meaning is indeed legitimate and not just one of 'Kipedia's flukes. So yes, you were ''absolutely right'', he uses the word correctly, and the fact should be removed. Well spotted! Sorry for the fuss. And now I'll go and give my logic teachers what for.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Nah, that's cool. It was my fuss for bringing it up in the first place. In fact, I wouldn't have questioned it if the fun fact didn't use the word "clearly". I've got a big problem with people using semi-obscure definitions and then saying, "It's obvious!" I had a Statistical Mechanics professor who wrote some big complicated derivative on the board (I think it required a combination of the product and quotient rules-- nothing too tough, but not at all trivial) and then said it was "obvious" this was the result. Grrrr...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 05:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== DVD Audio ==

Sorry if I sound like I'm going crazy over this transcript, but does the DVD settle any of the issues we had transcribing this toon? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Be more specific and I'll give it a listen. I don't want to have to read this whole talk page and/or the whole transcript to figure out exactly what you mean. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::*Ladies and gentlemen, you '''can/can't''' not be ready for the Strongest Man in the World Contest!
::*And, Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-'''Homestar/Doofus/Dumpface/Loser'''.
::*All right, youse ''{incomprehensible}'' brains. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 13:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:::That's as specific as I can be. Is the DVD truly no help? (I haven't been able to buy it myself) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::If I may add:
::::*Honest to God, Mookie Wilson gave me the Golbol {hush a bush push leopold} in 1974. Maybe I should bump the DVDs up my Netflix and just check it out meself....hmm....
::::{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 16:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Intro Music ==

Does anyone know what music that is when the Announcer in introducing all the minor characters (and Squished Bad and Golbol)? Even if it's just a loop, I'd like to get my hands on it. --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 03:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2008-06-10T03:33:57Z

Gaeamil: /**/Intro Music

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I also think Bland's voice sounds a bit Mike... but I also think it could have been done by Matt. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

just to settle this useless suablle, i saying that if you wangt to find out who's right, then i suggest that you should ask the creaters that so this pointless argueing will stop.- someone who's not a user and sucks at spelling, but comes here anyways

I clearly hear "still." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It kinda sounds like "you'se oily brains". [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 11:35, 30 August 2006 (CST)

Despite Smallowman ironclad rebuttal, I ''do'' in fact hear "Alright, youse hose brains." Now I qualify that with the fact that it doesn't make much sense. (It reminded me of a line in a Muppet movie where someone calls Gonzo "hose nose.") So I'm not to sure about "hose." However, I strongly suggest that the "s" sound after "you" be considered part of "youse" and not necessarily the starting consonant of the next word. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm pretty sure it's not "oily", at any rate, because I hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's still listed as "oily", and I ''still'' hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:I've always heard "slow". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I am a hundred and ten percent sure he said "youse hose brains." --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 22:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this might not make any sense, but I think he says "All right, youze 'zoid' brains..." -[[User:Everybody!|Everybody!]] 14:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah...did anyone else play that World Cup soccer game for the Nintendo? The part where Homestar does the backflip looks exactly like the super kick moves in that game. --Xhad

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

::I'm gonna agree with that as well. I think he might just be saying doofus after all. {{unsigned|0rion|06:15, 17 January 2007}}

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:In response to It's dot com: I agree with the context and does-it-make-sense argument. On the other hand, I can't be too certain about consonants, but the vowel sound I hear is "oo", and I have trouble reconciling it with "Homestar." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I honestly think that hes says Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-'''No-show'''.--[[User:Zerlock1124|Zerlock1124]] 04:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

"Pom Pom Strong Bad Dumpface." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Here's a change I noticed- 5. At the end of the book, Pom Pom shared his trophy with Homestar. In this he took all the credit and tried to keep the trophy for himself. -[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

*it could be hidden behind the other grapes (as in it slid down when it was put on)-Zerlock1124

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.

:Wow. Do a little looking into actual faerie tales. Not only are all faires NOT girls, but almost none of them are flitty little sparkly things (i.e. Tinkerbell) type fairies either.

:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Announcer- you "can't not" not "can not" ==
In the transcript the line the announcer says "...you ''can'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest" but it should read "...you ''can't'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest," both because that's what the announcer says, and because that's what makes sense grammatically and humorously.
-David

:David, all I can say is that we've heard people claim it's "can't" and other people say it's "can". The consensus is that it's "can". And I disagree that "can't not" makes sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well "can't not" makes sense because it's a double negative, meaning they can, in fact, be ready. And really, they can. Why would they NOT be able to be ready?
:::I'm sorry, but there's no way you're ready for the response I have for that one! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure sure I can't not be ready for your response. :)
:::::Ah, but whether you are or not, I still said you were unready. That's what I said, and I'm sticking to it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm on your side, David. "Can't not" is what I heard and I changed the transcript accordingly, but it was changed back. Gotta be a consensus. --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I definitely can not hear "can't not", as I can not hear a T even though I haven't not been listening to it (I haven't been listening to it not closely) and with headphones that aren't not good. Do you not get it? ;) Anyway, yeah. "Can not." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::"Can't not" makes sense to me as in "There's no way you could possibly ''not'' be ready for this,". I think there's no t sound at the end of "can't" because of the accent being used. I don't hear much of a t at the end of "not" either, but it's clearly not "naw". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree, as I both hear "can not" and think it's funnier that way. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

== Shot for shot ==

In addition to the intro and the fade out, there are at least three scenes that are very specifically shot-for-shot recreations of the Original Book. I submit that these are notable, and should be shown in side-by-side comparisons. I'm talking about:

1. "Watch out, PETE BEST!"

2. "Tiny, inverse suns"

3. "Strong Bad did a jig"

The action poses for Mr. Bland and Señor are also taken from the OB.

Also notable are certain lines that are immediate recongizable:

*"Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete."
*"Everybody loves the me. I'm a terrific athlete."

*"I'm the very strongest! You guys are not very strong!"
*"I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong."

*"I will drop my grapes and uncover that CHEAT!"
*"I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat!"

*"OH NO!" screamed Strong Bad.
*"Oh noooo!"

The reason that I say that these are significant and not just "yeah, it's a remake" is that they are so rare. Adding those few little pieces in precisely as in the original is very much in the style of homage. If there were more of them, as in the remake of In Search of the Yello Dello, I wouldn't think it significant--but the little places where the two synch up gives a longtime H*R fan a little thrill of recognition, and the BC know that. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:You're using [[Strumstar Hammer]] as the model, y'know. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just used those because I find them more immediately recognizable as locators, and because it's funnier that way. I could say "the initial piles of 20 grapes," "the first round of added grapes," and "Strong Bad wobbling before falling down" -- but what fun would that be? --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Everything that happened in the original book, except Pom Pom willingly sharing the trophy, happened in the remake. And, in fact, the one difference is more surprising to me than any of the ton of similarities. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, technically, that's speculation. Homestar didn't ask for P2 to ''share'' the golbol, but to ''give him'' the golbol. Maybe Pom Pom keeps telling him that he wants to share it, and Homestar is the one not willing to share. While I think it would definitely be a funny ending if Pom Pom wants to keep the golbol to himself, we don't know if that's true.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::That was my interpretation, but I guess I see what you're saying. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::To my mind, there's a huge difference between a similarity (most of the plot) and a recreation of a scene or an image. In any remake, there are typically a few scenes that pay direct homage to the original version, and those are usually called out by reviewers. And while there are a ton of vague similarities, there are very few lines or images that correspond directly to the original. I can't understand how those could not be considered notable -- especially since the technique of recreating the original pose was used for the intro and outro of the toon. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::But it's arguable that this is less a remake than a "make" - the OB was never animated in the first place. As I said before, the only thing that (arguably) ''didn't'' happen in the 'toon that did happen in the original book was double-P sharing the GB. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Brooklyn Accent==

I am really suprised that there is nothing her about this but am I the ONLY one who hears the Grape Fairie say "Honest to God Mookie Wilson gave the golbol to my Aunt in 1973"? And am I the only one who thinks that "gave me the golbol to my hands" makes absolutely no sense? It's just that it doesn't feel right. even if it's not what I have there earlier, it's something about his "ant." Just a thought.--{{User:CoffeeCup73|CoffeeCup73}} 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Whether or not he says "aunt" or "hands", he definitely say "gave me". "Gave me the golbol to my aunt" makes even less sense than "gave me to my hands", which is really just an odd way of saying "he personally put it in my hands himself". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I also thought it was aunt but his voice is so hard to tell that anyone can make a mistake [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps -- and this may be a stretch -- he's saying that they were in Miami. I swear I can hear "Honest to God Mookie Williams gave me the golbol in Miami in 1973." Reasonable? --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 03:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Once Upon a Time ==
Here's a piece of STUFF that got deleted within the first day: "This toon might include references to old Disney movies that began with a storybook opening, then fading into animation." The reason it got deleted was because I was the first person to write it. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's too TTATOT for a reference. I think it's just there to remind people that it's a book remake. Take me, for instance, who didn't realize that it was a book remake until Mr. Bland was introduced. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 22:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Inverse? Converse? ==

Here's a fun fact that I've removed:
*Strong Bad makes the comment: "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong!" However, he clearly meant to say conversely.
First of all, if this is re-admitted, it shouldn't say "clearly" because it's anything but clear. Secondly, Wikipedia states that the definition of [[Wikipedia:Inverse (logic)|inverse]] can include "all not P are not Q" which fits Strong Bad's use of the word. Filling in the blanks, he's saying "all not Strong Bads are not very strong". Actually, Wikipedia's best examples are on the page for [[Wikipedia:contraposition|contraposition]], though it uses the mathematical definitions instead of the logical definitions (and I'm unclear as to the specific differences between them).

The point is, Strong Bad's use of the word seems to be sound. The converse statement would be, "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, conversely, the very strongest are me." I say remove the fun fact. Oh, and sorry for bringing this up about a year too late.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 06:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:The inverse of "I am the very strongest" would be "I am not the very strongest" which in this case would be equal to "One of you is the very strongest, but I am not". Clearly, this is not what he said.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::Pardon my bluntness, but says who?--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Says someone who studied Philosophy and Computer Science and should know a fair bit about logic. In my many years at university, I only ever encountered the first of the two meanings (which is equal to a negation) listed in that 'Kipedia article, and so I dismissed the second meaning (which is basically stating the same fact in a different way). Some torturing of the intarwebs showed that the second meaning is indeed legitimate and not just one of 'Kipedia's flukes. So yes, you were ''absolutely right'', he uses the word correctly, and the fact should be removed. Well spotted! Sorry for the fuss. And now I'll go and give my logic teachers what for.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Nah, that's cool. It was my fuss for bringing it up in the first place. In fact, I wouldn't have questioned it if the fun fact didn't use the word "clearly". I've got a big problem with people using semi-obscure definitions and then saying, "It's obvious!" I had a Statistical Mechanics professor who wrote some big complicated derivative on the board (I think it required a combination of the product and quotient rules-- nothing too tough, but not at all trivial) and then said it was "obvious" this was the result. Grrrr...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 05:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== DVD Audio ==

Sorry if I sound like I'm going crazy over this transcript, but does the DVD settle any of the issues we had transcribing this toon? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Be more specific and I'll give it a listen. I don't want to have to read this whole talk page and/or the whole transcript to figure out exactly what you mean. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::*Ladies and gentlemen, you '''can/can't''' not be ready for the Strongest Man in the World Contest!
::*And, Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-'''Homestar/Doofus/Dumpface/Loser'''.
::*All right, youse ''{incomprehensible}'' brains. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 13:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:::That's as specific as I can be. Is the DVD truly no help? (I haven't been able to buy it myself) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::If I may add:
::::*Honest to God, Mookie Wilson gave me the Golbol {hush a bush push leopold} in 1974. Maybe I should bump the DVDs up my Netflix and just check it out meself....hmm....
::::{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 16:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

== Intro Music ==

Does anyone know what music that is when the Announcer in introducing all the minor characters (and Squished Bad and Golbol)? Even if it's just a loop, I'd like to get my hands on it. --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 03:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Strongest Man in the World

2008-06-10T03:32:41Z

Gaeamil: /* Brooklyn Accent */

== 10 years! ==

Nice toon. I added this to the filmography of mr. bland and señor's charecter pages. I'm glad they re-did the old book. and there is another thing that I saw, when señor gets crushed, it says "sbloncheked" or what ever sb's candy bar was.
[[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
:I really liked this toon. It really captures the series' appeal. Who's doing the transcript for this, by the way? I hope they get done soon. We should put up pictures of Senor, Mr. Bland, etc.'s new forms on their pages. And also, Senor's voice doesn't sound like Matt's; think it could've been done by someone else?-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 00:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I'm almost certain that Mr. Bland was voiced by Mike. Anyone know for sure? --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 01:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Plain ol' Matt's voice. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I also think Bland's voice sounds a bit Mike... but I also think it could have been done by Matt. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
::I added all the pictures, so that's done. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Not on main page? ==

Does anyone else not see this on the Main Pages? Should this be included as a Fun Fact of some kind?
:I see it there. Maybe clear your cache? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction ==

The intro says that Homestar enters the contest yet again. This seems a little misleading, as the toon is a modernization, not a sequel, as the intro could imply.

:Looks like that's been changed {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody Loves The Homestar Runner ==

doesnt he say "Everybody loves THE me" not "loves a'me"? that would make more sense to me. --([[User:Superplough|superplough]] not logged in) [[User:132.181.7.1|132.181.7.1]] 02:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:He does say "the me." You can go ahead and change that. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I hear a'me. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::It's a joke. The original book says "The Homestar Runner" rather than just "Homestar Runner" so he says "the me" rather than "me". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Mega Man Introductions? ==

I think that Mr. Bland, Señor, and The Robot's introductions may be references to games from the [[Wikipedia:Mega_Man_(series)|Mega Man series]], in which the bosses are introduced with a snazzy background, a pose, and a sound effect before you begin their levels. Or, is this a more general reference? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:The opening to The New Leave it to Beaver Show introduced the cast in a similar fashion if I remember correctly. Can't find any substantiating images though. Does it have to be a reference? Maybe it's just a visually interesting way to introduce characters. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 02:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slo-Mo Action That is The Matrix, Super Mario Strikers and Final Fantasy In One==

Currently, the article page says that Homestar's slo-mo kicking of The Cheat is a reference to Super Mario Strikers. I think that it's actually a reference to The Matrix.

Hmmm... I dont think its necessarily a Matrix reference...its just in slow motion. the camera doesnt rotate around Homestar like the famous "bullet time" effect usually does. To me it just looks like a bicycle kick.
- [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're probably right. But I don't think TBC would make a reference to Super Mario Strikers. {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

TBC have mentioned in an Interview (can't remember which one) that they are fans of Nintendo games, it is possible that they would reference Super Mario Striker, In SMS if a player passes the ball to a teammate in front of the Goal and the recieving teammate holds down the shoot button, the game will go into slow motion and the reciving teammate will do one of many different styles of Kicks,The most popular one Being the exact same move that Homestar did on Teh C. Also regarding the fact that it may be actually a reference to The Matrix, I recall no such move being used in any of the Matrix movies, [[User:Dctcool|Dctcool]]

It actually reminded me most of Shaolin Soccer... but that could be because I just watched it today.
:It reminds me of a lot of martial arts movies, but not one in particular that springs to mind.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Does anyone have a video of that specific kick from Super Mario Strikers? {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 14:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::: I found a video on Youtube of Super Mario Strikers which features the move in question [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc0xihGkfuw / SMS video review] The move happen at around the 1:10 mark

I recently removed these RWRs from the page:

*Homestar's slow-motion move (a Pele kick) seems similar to a "Slo-mo Cross Shot" from [[Wikipedia:Super_Mario_Strikers|Super Mario Strikers]].
**It could also be a reference to the "Bullet Time" sequences in [[Wikipedia:The_Matrix|The Matrix]].
***Another possibility is they modeled it after the Sphere Shot in [[Wikipedia:Final Fantasy X|Final Fantasy X]].

This seems to me to be the very definition of TTATOT. I'd be glad to entertain discussion to help settle what Homestar's move ''actually'' refers to; however, I kind of suspect it's actually just a generic fighting move and not a reference at all. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, I agree. But now that you mention the Sphere Shot...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 04:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose that it is a reference to Shaolin Soccer. Though, actually, like many of the most reasonable people here, I doubt it's a direct reference to -anything-. Still, that kind of manuever is done at least once, if not a few times in Shaolin Soccer, in slo-mo and everything.

It's possible that it references all 3 franchises (except the Matrix as there is no such move in any Matrix movies)

::I don't think it references a single thing. Homestar kicks the cheat around like a soccer ball with generic moves and does an out of the ordinary extra kick in slow motion to emphasize it. It might be inspired by such things but not directly referencing Shaolin Soccer, Matrix or Super Mario Strikers. The ONLY WAY it could be a reference, directly, to any of those is if the moves Homestar is doing are pretty much exactly done like those in the particular move in the game or movie. --{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a referance, but is it just me, or is Homestar's flip when kicking the Cheat very similar to one of Tidus's blitzball kicks in Final Fantasy X? -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 01:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: There are other things it's similar to as well, though - we removed it as a TTATOT fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Image:Grabbed Frame 18.jpg|Here's a picture of the FFX kick in question.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'd seriously go with SMS, as the Blitzball kick seems to have a much greater range of motion, not to mention that TBC would be more inclined to reference the Nintendo game. Remember: Just because there's a possibility for TTATOT doesn't mean that it always is. This fact falls under that category; it most definitely is a reference to SOMETHING. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah. It's a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Bicycle kick|Bicycle kick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::And the slow motion? (Super Mario Strikers is a soccer game... >_>) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::: Just to make it more dramatic (and so what? If it's a real move in soccer, and the game allows characters to perform the move, then how is that anything other than normal?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::: Alright. I'm not sure why no one has brought this up before, but... What really cinched it for me is the fact that the slow motion stops EXACTLY when Homestar kicks The Cheat, just like in SMS. (Any FFX guys wanna take a stand on this?) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::: I vote we put this topic into a poll to decide {{User:Dctcool/sig}}
:::::::What's there to decide? It could as easily be a reference to ANY of the above. Therefore, it's not specifically a reference to any specific one of them, but to the whole idea of characters jumping and kicking in slomo. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Exactly. By listing all these examples of what it could be, we have shown that we can't say if it refers to any of these. A vote would only pick the potential reference that people like best because they enjoy playing the game.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::A popularity contest. Which a wiki should never be. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Are you guys so sure? Somebody needs to get a video of the FFX kick, then we can vote. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

==I still alive?==
I think Senor says "I see the light!" Instead of "I still alive"! I see the light is much funnier. The Chaps would go for I See The Light!-Me
: I hear "I still alive," funny or not. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I originally thought it was "i see the light", but i think "I still alive" makes more sense with the way he waves his hand up through the grapes. And his bad grammar does fit with hes dialect. -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 02:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I was just about to add a discussion on this line. I hear, "I ''feel'' alive!" His accent is a little hard to decipher, so I don't see this ending well. Prepare for weeks of arguing...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::FWIW, the first time I heard it I heard "I steel alive!" and it was hilarious. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I heard "I steel alive" [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Alive.ogg|The first quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "I see de light!" {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 03:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::It is clearly "I steel alive" {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
After watching it a few timew I thought that it was I see de light [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 04:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I hear "I still alive!", too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::"I still alive!" —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::"I still alive!" - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 23:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::He's still alive; I hear "I still alive" - {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:40 23 August 2006
:::::::::: I hear "I feel alive!". If it is actually "I feel alive", might it be a reference to "I FEEL ASLEEP"? :/ {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 23:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
It sounds like "I feel alive" to me, but I think it's just his accent so I think "I still alive". {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. Let us hope that the [[The Brothers Chaps|Almighty Ones]] shall hear our cry and bestow upon us a [[QotW]]... {{User:Raised by Coffee/sig}} 16:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

just to settle this useless suablle, i saying that if you wangt to find out who's right, then i suggest that you should ask the creaters that so this pointless argueing will stop.- someone who's not a user and sucks at spelling, but comes here anyways

I clearly hear "still." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

== All right, you crap-for-brains ==

What is it that the Grape Fairie is saying in his first line. I can't tell what it is, but it doesn't sound anything like "stupid" to me. Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:My first guess is "sorry brains", but I'm not sure enough to change the transcript.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 02:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Perhaps "slowest brains"? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:: ive just listeend to it a bunch of times and im pretty sure its just one syllable. kinda sounds like "All right you slows brains". Im not really hearing the 2 sylables of slowest and not the "ee" sound of sorry. But yea definatly not "stupid brains" -[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 03:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
[[Media:Listenup.ogg|The second quote in question]]--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 03:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::sounds like: " i'm ready, so you'se brains listen up smart " possibly calling them brains in conjunction with listen up smart. {{User:Csours/sig}} 03:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Do you have headphones or speakers, Csours? I'm curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Ohhh yeah, "slows brains" kind of works! I was looking for something that rhymes/sounds like "stoes brains," and I think that's it. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::speakers. i know headphones are better, i just havent got any yet. also i put it on loop on my sound editor and listened to it like 100 times.{{User:Csours/sig}} 14:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

How about 'doze brains'?

:It sounds like "booze brains" to me, but, not likely. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

in a side note, should we have a link to herefrom the transcript or a note or a special section for transcript uncertaincies? or not? i know we never have before, but seeing how common transcript battles are, it is worth thinking about.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it sounds like slows brains almost and who put hose brains it doesn't sound like that -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

It kinda sounds like "you'se oily brains". [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 11:35, 30 August 2006 (CST)

Despite Smallowman ironclad rebuttal, I ''do'' in fact hear "Alright, youse hose brains." Now I qualify that with the fact that it doesn't make much sense. (It reminded me of a line in a Muppet movie where someone calls Gonzo "hose nose.") So I'm not to sure about "hose." However, I strongly suggest that the "s" sound after "you" be considered part of "youse" and not necessarily the starting consonant of the next word. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm pretty sure it's not "oily", at any rate, because I hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

It's still listed as "oily", and I ''still'' hear a long O. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
:I've always heard "slow". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I am a hundred and ten percent sure he said "youse hose brains." --[[User:IT'S A LION!|IT'S A LION!]] 22:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I know this might not make any sense, but I think he says "All right, youze 'zoid' brains..." -[[User:Everybody!|Everybody!]] 14:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Unplugged? ==

The first fun fact credits the show MTV Unplugged with the creation of the term unplugged. I think (and am researching) that the term predates the show. [[User:Mila|Mila]] 03:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:"Unplugged" dates back to the beginnings of elictricity. But as a description of music played without extra amplification, MTV gets the credit. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The unplugged fact is credited both to MTV and Eric Clapton in different sections, which is kind of contradicting itself. One or the other should be taken out.
===Teh Proof===
Quotes from the Oxford English dictionary:
*New York Times, 21 April 1957
*:The return of the unplugged guitar gets another boost from George Van Eps, who was supplying rhythmic chords to jazz groups long before voltage came into fashion.
*Washington Post, 26 December 1986
*:Nils Lofgren unplugged is still Nils Lofgren the musician... Lofgren will give a rare acoustic concert at the Bayou tomorrow.
*Toronto Star, 6 October 1989
*:The simple, six-string folk rhythms of several songs here..owe some of their sincere appeal to the unplugged colors of Tracy Chapman's music.
MTV Unplugged first aired on 26 November, 1989. Lexicography saves the day again! --[[User:60.228.144.21|60.228.144.21]] 08:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

:Nice catch... I've reworded the fact to say that MTV popularised it, but didn't coin it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==hacky sack vs footbag==

in the transcript, it says that homestar kicks the cheat around like a hacky sack. this is a brand name. footbag is the generic term.{{User:Csours/sig}} 03:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: I never play with hackysacks or footbags, but I don't know anyone who would know what you mean if you say footbag [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I've never heard the word "footbag", either. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Ditto--I've heard them called hacky sacks for 20 years (or thereabouts), but I've never heard footbags. It may be a brand name, but it's pretty much been adopted as a generic term (like with Levis or Kleenex).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I've never heard of a footbag ''or'' a hacky sack. Does that mean I'm stupid? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 12:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've never heard Levis used as a generic term... --[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 15:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, the way he kicks it also looks like the way you can bounce a ball in soccer.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Other examples are a coke, scotch tape, or band-aids where the brand name are the most commonly used versions. I added this as a trivia item a few days ago {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah...did anyone else play that World Cup soccer game for the Nintendo? The part where Homestar does the backflip looks exactly like the super kick moves in that game. --Xhad

== Page Title ==

Is "The Homestar Runner Enters the Longest Page Title on the Website Contest!" actually the longest page title on the website? [[User:!!|!!]]

: [[User talk:William | Shall we find out?]] [[User:William|William]] 04:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::I did my own search by looking up "Page title" on the wiki's search bar and looking through each selection. Turns out this toon doesn't win. See the fun facts for the true winner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Wretched Simmons Outfit ==

Homestar's spandex workout uniform is from the Lady Fan E-mail.
:Yep, that's already mentioned there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Enough with the golbol! ==

Alright already! I see that it's captioned as GOLBOL in the Easter egg. I can accept that many, if not all, characters pronounce it "golbol". But, for the love of all that is humane, can we PLEASE use "gold bowl" or "trophy" when we are describing it? Please, oh please. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Since you asked so nicely... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Actually, in the 'toon version, it's never once referred to as a "trophy" or "gold bowl", and only once as just simply a "bowl". Why not call it "Golbol"? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Because it sounds ridiculous...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::[[Suudsu]]. [[The Denzel]]. [[Lord Quackingstick]]. We don't describe these every time they appear after being named, but they have ridiculous names as well. This is a site about silly cartoon animal people. Keep your sense of humor about you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::From another edit just made on another page, I'm reminded of another such case: [[The Geddup Noise]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wonder, though, if in the Fun Facts the word golbol would be better placed in quotes, since it's not a real word?--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay, those are established more solidly than this. The spelling "golbol" is solely from an egg which in all likelihood is just a joke in itself on the characters' pronunciation. As Dorian put in an edit summary, it makes it look like we're a bunch of turkeys. This is a knowledge base, not a poultry farm. We should use an odd spelling when it's needed, but not when it doesn't add to meaning. Suudzu - how else would you spell it? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::We had a bit of conversation over this, and it was determined that I would transcribe it as "Golbol". Sorry if there's been any confusion. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::"More solidly?" Lord Quackingstick's name is mentioned all of once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Sure. Strong Bad unquestionably says "Quackingstick". It's a duck on a stick, the name makes perfect sense. Here, we are transcribing a word based on Homestar's and The Grape Faerie's accents, which we never do. The only supporting evidence is the egg, which could easily be itself making a joke about how those two pronounced it. I mean, concensus will win, and I can see the argument for, but I'm of the mind we ought not do this in the transcript. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Doesn't spelling it out in the Easter egg as they did carry a lot of weight, just as if Strong Bad had typed it or if it were featured as a Quote of the Week? I mean, it sure ''sounds'' like they're saying "golbol" and not "gold bowl" to me, so there's not the problem of the two not matching. Oh, to add to Jay's list of examples: "zader matermorts". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, but that's only because of the Easter egg. Do you really think you would transcribe it as "golbol" if you hadn't seen it? Also, you guys are making a big deal out of it. Just because it's listed as "GOLBOL" doesn't mean that it wouldn't be "''the'' golbol" otherwise. And just typing out "golbol" makes me queasy. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 22:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::No, if it weren't for the Easter egg, then there's no way I would transcribe it "golbol"... but there ''is'' the Easter egg. Are we just supposed to ignore it? In fact, I can't see any reason for the Easter egg's existence other than to give the correct spelling of the trophy's name. I therefore have no problem with calling it "the golbol" in the transcript, and in fact we may should call it "the Golbol" (a proper noun). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::'''EDIT CONFLICT X2 (Darn you!):''' Yeah, but would it kill you to refer to it as "the gold bowl"? Besides, I hear "gold bowl" the first time it's mentioned, but unless we want to get in [[User:Rogue Leader/Lamest Edit Wars and Senseless Mud Slingings|here]], I suggest we get a clear consensus. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think the reason for the Easter egg is to be funny, not to tell us how to spell "gold bowl" in the HRWiki. That's a little presumptuous! And again, "zarer matermorts" was given as a direct transcription,. so that is clear. We don't know WHAT "golbol" was given for. I don't think it's appropriate to just speculate it's how to spell "gold bowl". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Hang on... what's funny about the Easter egg? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't hear the D in "goldbol". Therefore, I say it's Golbol. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
: Agreed. I hear none of the characters use the "D" when they refer to it. They also don't break up the words. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::I only hope TBC will [[Talk:Summer Short Shorts#Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy|hear our cry]] and make it a QotW. Although, even then, it might still be ambiguous. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 16:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
i hear no '''d'''. therefore it is '''GOLBOL'''
:I agree, putting it as "golbol" does look kind of funny. But the precidents mentioned above have been long set (As well as "[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy|H'whatcha teekenbot]]"), that we call/spell things how The Brothers Chaps do. If they decided to make a Quote of the Week, and spell it "Gold Bowl" or something, I would be partial to that spelling, but as the evidence currently stands, we have to go with "Golbol" {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Strongest Man in the World Poster ==

If I am not mistaken, it features the "Big Beefy Arm" from Trogdor fame.
:I think it's just a generic beefy arm. Y'know, coz it's a strength contest and all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I agree, just a generic arm.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I thought it looked like the same beefy arms from [[Dragon]], too. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== LotR reference? ==

It's a stretch, but I thought I'd bring it up here. When Pom Pom has the trophy at the end, Homestar says he should give it to him for his birthday, which of course was today. This is like when Gollum's friend got the Ring and Gollum demanded it for his birthday, which was that day. Of course Homestar didn't kill Pom Pom... but could they be related? I don't feel sure enough about it to add it without some agreement [[User:Inverse Tiger|Inverse Tiger]] 04:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No. No offense, but is there a single line in all of H*R which isn't a reference, by this standard? Anonymous has spoken. [[User:89.1.17.101|89.1.17.101]] 04:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::OK, anonymous, there's no need to be insistent. But I do think you're right that this reference is a stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:D-d-definitely, definitely a stretch [[User:Jetpac|Jetpac]] 05:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extra Sauce? ==

I think that Homestar acutally says "Extra Sauce" instead of exercise.
:I heard Extracise
:: Me too, though I thought of it as "Extrasize". --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Correction--the first incident, it sounds like "extra size", the second it sounds like he says "pour on that extra sauce".--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 07:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'll second that.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::::sounds like extro-sauze to me, but it could easily be both. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 15:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I heard "extracise", as in excercise and extra put together. Extracise. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I heard extra sauce both times -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pure Pwnage Reference ==

Okay, this is DEFINITELY a reference, stop deleting it. I will make my case clear here.

Pure Pwnage is a somewhat popular internet-show. They did an episode where the main character sat at a desk with a Compy 386 and answered emails EXACTLY like Strong Bad does. Naturally, someone pointed this out to TBC and they threw him a bone by making this reference:
When Strong Bad writes to Homestar telling him he can achieve anything and then stops and says "you're a butt", this is a reference to the episode of Pure Pwnage (which references Strong Bad Emails) where Jeremy answers emails like Strong Bad and he tells someone who professes to 'like boys more than girls' that he should stay true to who he is and then erases it and writes "u r a fag".
Clearly these are the exact same principle. Starting out telling someone that they can 'acheve anything' and 'stay true to who you are' and then saying to them "you're a butt" or "u r a fag" is a TOTAL DIRECT reference. They cant use the word "fag" on Homestar Runner, and Strong Bad wouldnt write "u r" They abbreviated the best they could.
:Except that kind of joke is as old as the hills.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Character ''x'' does something absurdly out of character, realises what s/he's doing, stops, and reverts back to in character. This isn't exactly a new formula. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry, agree with the people above me. Not a reference. It's just Strong Bad signing 50 autographs in a row without looking up, then realizing he's signing one for Homestar.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. This is not worth getting on a soapbox over. It's an old joke. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't know. Personally, the reference kind of makes sense to me...[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:25, 23 August 2006

== Down Goes Bland ==

Someone is out to take out all of my references that are blazingly clear here, so i'm gonna write another discussion one.
"Down goes Bland" is a reference to Howard Cosell's ringside calling of the Foreman Vs Frazier fight where when George Foreman won, Howard Cosell repeatedly shouted "Down goes Frazier!"
C'mon, its a competition, one of them goes down and they yell "Down Goes <Last Name>"
What more do you want Phlip?!
:Maybe, but there are only so many ways to say that a competitor is down, after all.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 06:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
::Given there are over 350,000 Google results for "Down goes" and only 10,000 for "Down goes Frazier", I don't think Frazier owns this phrase. Even after allowing for the number of false positives of a shorter search string, and other refereneces to Frazier's fight, 35x the results is a lot. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:::When are you going to refine a search and come up with MORE results? Your logic is perplexing to say the least. I have seen a lot more obscure things go up on this wiki. --Your Fuzzy God
::::I'm saying that if "Down goes" was actually a reference to Frazier, then a reasonable portion of the results for "Down goes" would also be results for "Down goes Frazier". As it is, less than 4% are. So "Down goes Frazier" cannot be considered the only possible source for the phrase, and once that is considered we have [[TTATOT]]. It's not a question of obscurity, it's a question of "How do we know it's this, and not something else?". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
:When Homestar says "Watch your language" to Pom Pom it's a direct reference to The Lion King when Timon says that to Pumbaa!!!11111one OMG FASCISM!! ... seriously, no. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about homestar didn't even say watch your language he said let's tone down the language -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Golbol Easter Egg ==

The section about the Easter Egg says that the logo in the background of the golbol belongs to the New York Yankees.

In fact, it belongs to the New York Mets. (Mookie Wilson played for the Mets) {{unsigned|68.203.142.206|12:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)}}

:Thanks for point this out, but a hint for next time – if you see a clear mistake in the article, you don't need to tell us about it, just go in and fix it... taking it to the talk page is generally only necessary if you're not sure, or others don't agree. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:58, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::That may all be well and good, but is it more than a coincidence that this toon came out just after the "Yankees finish historic sweep of Red Sox"? It would seem that would be rewarded with a gold bowl.

::: It is a coincidence. It's not a Yankees logo.

:::: Correct. The Mets and Yankees both have "NY" in their logos but they are arranged very distinctly. See the page backgrounds [http://www.mets.com/ here] and [http://www.yankees.com here] to compare the logos (in fact, it almost looks like the Mets logo in the Easter Egg could have been taken directly from the Mets website -- notice the angle!). But on a related note, does anyone think that it's worthy of note as trivia in the article that two days before this toon appeared on the site, Mookie Wilson (who has barely ever been in the news since the Mets won the World Series in 1986) appeared at a big ceremony at the Mets stadium with many of his '86 comrades marking the 20th anniversary of the championship and that Wilson was the one to speak on behalf of all the players present in accepting the honor? [[User:LitigationMattson|LitigationMattson]] 23:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

::::: Here is an [http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060819&content_id=1618842&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym article] about Saturday's ceremony. Mookie Wilson is shown in the accompanying picture. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[[Image:Mets logos.png|thumb|[[Wikipedia:New York Mets|Mets]] logos]]
:::::: I still don't see the Logo anywhere, where exactly is it in the toon!! Am I just blind?
:::::::It's in the background of the Easter egg accessed at the end of the toon by clicking on the trophy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::: I still don't see it, all I see is just a plain red backround with a trophy on it and GOLBOL next to it.
:::::::::May be a problem with your Flash player, your monitor, or (no offense) your eyes. They're pretty clear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::: Just tell me where it is in this picture? http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Golbol.PNG
::::::::::: I opened that file in paint and whited out the solid red portions, producing [[:Image:GoldBowlWhiteWash.PNG|this]]. The big blobs are where the Mets logos are. Compare to the original picture. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Or, from another viewpoint, [[:Image:GoldBowlGreenNY.PNG|this one]] has all of the logos repainted green (very roughly, as their colors aren't perfectly solid, but it's close enough to get the general idea.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::See the image above for a clearer view. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== hewwo ==

he doesn't normally mispronounce l's

:Hmm... He does on every single main page...Just scroll over email. {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Stong Bad vs. Strond Bad==
When I looked at the autograph egg, Strong Bad's inscription is signed "Strond Ba... wait a sec" instead of "Stong" as is mentioned in the transcript. It's possible that this will change randomly, I suppose, although I checked it a couple of times (in different windows) and it remains "Strond". I hesitate to change it, though, because TBC have done random stuff before, so maybe someone else can see what they get. [[User:ModestlyHotGirl|ModestlyHotGirl]] 14:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

== Fowl/Foul Language ==
Since Pom Pom only speaks in bubbles, we can never really know what he is saying. But from the reaction of Homestar and Strong Bad, not to mention Homestar's comment of toning the language down... couldn't this be considered the first time TBC actually have one of their characters use curse words? I mean we know they were always wanting to do that one day? ;)--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 00:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[Swears]]. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

:{edit conflict} You mean apart from the ones listed in [[Swears]]? And it would also be possible for him to say something very nasty without actually using swear words. So it's really just speculation. Either way, looking at Strong Bad's expression, it must have been pretty tough stuff. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's typical "character you can't understand" behavior. I think it was done with The Cheat multiple times before. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Um...... wow. I wasn't aware of the Swears page! lol. Yeah, and uh, apparently I haven't noticed all those other times they borderline'd it on cursing! lol.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 02:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== Voice connections ==

Ok, so 1) Mr. Bland sounds a lot like Mike or Matt. And 2) The Grape Faerie sounds like a Bronx version of Homestar. Well, they're noted on this talk page now. These observations, and ones like them, aren't really relevant to the toon, and should remain off the main toon page. What could be blander than doing ''no'' voice impression at all for Mr. Bland? And certainly it's possible that some of Matt's voices will sound alike in some way—they're all coming out of the same mouth, dontcha know—so these are unnotable. Thanks for your time, and keep on tranglin'. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:Agree. Thanks, Qer. It's Matt, btw everybody. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::Do you actually have something to substantiate that, or did you just want the last word? I'm inclined to believe that it's Matt too due to similarities to voices like "[[Blue_Laser_Babies|The Twins]]" and Strong bad saying "[[brianrietta|I remember the time when I checked my e-mail]]", but I don't understand why you'd state that so matter-of-factly, unless you had some other information the rest of us weren't aware of. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 23:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar? ==

According to the transcript, The Announcer says "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Homestar", but every time I listen to it, I hear "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Dunce" (or possibly "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-Loser"), which would also explain Homestar's suprised look. --[[User:81.94.65.69|81.94.65.69]] 05:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:He could just be surprised coz he doesn't get a good introduction, like the minor characters do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: He's just rushing it when he says it. He seems to rush Homestar's name most of all, adding to the confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I slowed it down and listened closely - the "and" is more of a "'n'", and the "ar" at the end of "Homestar" is nearly missing entirely, but it's very definately "Homestar". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Would be cool if you could put a slowed down version of that soundbite online for the audio-technically stupid like me ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
:I heard it 3 times (with earbuds), and he clearly said "Doofus". [[User:Stomhar|Stomhar]]
::[[:Image:ShortIntroduction-SMITW.ogg|Yes, you're right.]] ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::<strike>I've got yer ogg file on loop, The Mu, and I can't hear "doofus" at all. For me, it seems to start with "n", not "d". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)</strike> OK, that was probably the shortened "and".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I listened to the 'toon itself, and I heard "Homestar", but it's obscured by the raspberry sound of the spotlight and his speed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::After listening to that slowed down version a hundred or so times, I believe it's either "doofus-a" or "Homestar". "Homestar" seems much more likely. The Mu, you should probably not have gone ahead and changed the transcript before waiting for reactions here. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't hear "doofus" at all. I hear "Homest–", with the end of Homestar's name not very pronounced (if at all), but it ''is'' his name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't appear as if anyone wants this changed on the transcript, so I'll leave it alone; but it sounds to me like "Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-Dumpface". I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this, but it's not the first time Homestar has been called Dumpface (however, Doofus could work also). -Some Guy

I'ma gonna try to settle this issue once and for all. I ran noise reduction on the audio to try and eliminate the "squish" noise that obscures the names. It sounds to me that the announcer is saying "Pom-Pom, Strong Bad, '''Loser'''." Give a listen yourself! [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/original.wav Original audio] [http://home.comcast.net/~mikepontillo/audio/withNR.wav Processed audio] --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 17:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:To me, the processed one sounds no different than mine (when I slow it down in Audacity.) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmmm. I slowed it down as well, and I'm thinking you're right, The Mu. It does sound like "doofus." So much for settling the issue! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 18:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I've listened to the original recording, a slowed-down recording, a speeded-up recording, and the processed recordings above, and not once have I heard anything resembling a /d/ or /f/ sound (both of which would be required for "doofus"), even when I'm specifically listening for them and trying to convince my brain that they're there in the hopes of discerning them. Honestly, I don't know why this one is being picked apart like it is. If it sounds like he ''might'' be saying "Homestar" (which it certainly does to me, every time), and his saying "Homestar" makes sense in the context (again, which it does), and he had no reason ''not'' to be saying "Homestar" (which why would he? The announcer has nothing againt Homestar), then I think it's [[Wikipedia:Occam's razor#Variations|safe to conclude]] that that's what he really is saying. The joke is just that the names are hurried instead of featured, nothing else. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::I use Audacity as well for much of my sound endeavours (I do voice-overs) and though I was pretty certain he said "And.... Pom-Pom, Strongbad, and Homestar." I went and decreased the tempo to about 30% (30-40% is about the most you can slow it down without it sounding too choppy). The Mu, I would suggest you amplify the last part in your clip and listen to it again. It is my humble opinion that he definitely says "Homestar." Whether he says "and" or "n" immediately before that is unclear to me but I would surmise it's more of an "n" since this line is very difficult to say fast.--The Shadow

::I'm gonna agree with that as well. I think he might just be saying doofus after all. {{unsigned|0rion|06:15, 17 January 2007}}

After hearing the slowed down version I thought it said loser -- [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 02:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:In response to It's dot com: I agree with the context and does-it-make-sense argument. On the other hand, I can't be too certain about consonants, but the vowel sound I hear is "oo", and I have trouble reconciling it with "Homestar." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I honestly think that hes says Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-'''No-show'''.--[[User:Zerlock1124|Zerlock1124]] 04:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

"Pom Pom Strong Bad Dumpface." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:09, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

== I hear there's a pretty big wine building up? ==

I'm not sure this could be put in the article since Homestar's talk is converted into English talk in the transcript. But anyway it's a joke I think many overlooked.

Strong Bad says: "There's a pretty big line building up over there." and Homestar then says, according to the current transcript: "I hear there's a pretty big line building up." It's the tradition here to make abstraction of Homestar's accent when transcribing his dialogue. But what we actually hear instead of "line" sounds much more like "wine".

Considering that the contest involves lifting giant grapes, "I hear there's a pretty big wine building up." would be the kind of line only Homestar could have. I'm sure it's not the first time TBC made a joke where Homestar's distorted talk innocently resulted in a clever pun that fits the situation. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:Homestar has twoubles with his l's as well. See [[Talk:Strongest Man in the World#hewwo|above]]. {{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::That was my point. He misspronounces his l's and that's why in that case he inadvertently ends up saying something else that happens to fit the context. -[[User:Vltone|Vltone]] 09:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 10:23, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Actually, I hear "vine", not "wine". That's pretty strong, even for Homestar. But I don't believe that it's a reference to the grapes.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:05, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

== "arm"y man ==

in the remarks section is says
*When Homestar holds up the grapes, they float as if he's controlling them with his mind rather than with invisible arms.
**Homestar's invisible arms are also emphasized in the high-five scene.

Which is it? At best the two sentences do no relate. The first says that his lask of visible arms are not involved while the second says that they are. I personally don't see how mind controlling has anything to with it. The H*R universe just has weird physics because...well, its a cartoon. If we were documenting a Road Runner cartoon and Wiley Coyotee ran off a cliff but didn't fall, would we note that he suspended himself off the cliff with mind power?

Think that this whole thing about mind power is out of line, things just balance differently in the H*R universe. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:I think putting them both together in this way makes it deliberately ambiguous. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Various Minor Differences ==

In the original book:

1. Strong Bad appeared behind Homestar and Pom Pom instead of in front on the way to the contest.

2. Senor was holding his grapes with his right hand, not his left.

3. The Robot's cord was on an actual wall, not just a tiny piece of one.

4. Pom Pom's eyes were closed at the end when he was holding the trophy, not open (when it fades to the OB, his eyes change).

Any of these worth mentioning? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 17:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

:I think that when dealing with a remake, these kind of differences are bound to happen. All in all, the toon was really close to the original, so I don't think this kind of nitpicking is in order. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:10, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

::Here's a change I noticed- 5. At the end of the book, Pom Pom shared his trophy with Homestar. In this he took all the credit and tried to keep the trophy for himself. -[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

== Senor's grapes ==

I count 20 grapes when Senor falls down.

But since he started with 20, then one was added, where's the last?

*it could be hidden behind the other grapes (as in it slid down when it was put on)-Zerlock1124

== Mookie Wilson ==

If Mookie Wilson gave the Grape Fairy in 1974, then Mookie would have been 18. Wilson did not join the Mets organization until 1977, when he was 21, and the Mets big league club itself in 1980.
:Does he necessarily need to be on the Mets to have a trophy to give? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Was he in baseball at 18? (And yes, I'd say that you have to be on the Mets to have a trophy. :-D) ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

:::The Mu, I think Dorian means that being on the Mets at a certain time isn't a requirement for giving someone a trophy. You could just get one from a trophy store. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

== Gender McFender bender? ==

I wonder why the Grape Fairy was a man in this cartoon. I mean, aren't all faries supposed to be girls?!?!? Maybe it was the real Grape Fairy's brother who was filling in.

:Wow. Do a little looking into actual faerie tales. Not only are all faires NOT girls, but almost none of them are flitty little sparkly things (i.e. Tinkerbell) type fairies either.

:They probably just did it to be ridiculous... (And if faeries are all female, how do they reproduce?) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I'd like a source for that "all faeries are female" comment. (If this was a Strong Bad Email, would it be a femail?) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Faries gotta marry someone. Like pixies.

:That's stretching it. Specyoolation. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm certain that the Grape Fairie is male precisely because we assumed he was female (I'd even bet TBC considered the fairie to be female until this toon was written). In fact, the revelation of his voice and character ("All right, youze hose brains, listen up smart. I start yas each off with like twenty grapes. Then I adds one at a time. The bum what holds the most grapes wins this gold bowl." "Dang, Pom Pom, you see that golbol? That's a nice golbol.") is the twist that raises this toon from pretty good to pure genius. Oh, and this is forum chatter. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

== Announcer- you "can't not" not "can not" ==
In the transcript the line the announcer says "...you ''can'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest" but it should read "...you ''can't'' not be ready for this Strongest Man in the World Contest," both because that's what the announcer says, and because that's what makes sense grammatically and humorously.
-David

:David, all I can say is that we've heard people claim it's "can't" and other people say it's "can". The consensus is that it's "can". And I disagree that "can't not" makes sense. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::Well "can't not" makes sense because it's a double negative, meaning they can, in fact, be ready. And really, they can. Why would they NOT be able to be ready?
:::I'm sorry, but there's no way you're ready for the response I have for that one! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure sure I can't not be ready for your response. :)
:::::Ah, but whether you are or not, I still said you were unready. That's what I said, and I'm sticking to it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm on your side, David. "Can't not" is what I heard and I changed the transcript accordingly, but it was changed back. Gotta be a consensus. --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 22:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:: I definitely can not hear "can't not", as I can not hear a T even though I haven't not been listening to it (I haven't been listening to it not closely) and with headphones that aren't not good. Do you not get it? ;) Anyway, yeah. "Can not." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
:::"Can't not" makes sense to me as in "There's no way you could possibly ''not'' be ready for this,". I think there's no t sound at the end of "can't" because of the accent being used. I don't hear much of a t at the end of "not" either, but it's clearly not "naw". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
:I disagree, as I both hear "can not" and think it's funnier that way. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:32, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

== Shot for shot ==

In addition to the intro and the fade out, there are at least three scenes that are very specifically shot-for-shot recreations of the Original Book. I submit that these are notable, and should be shown in side-by-side comparisons. I'm talking about:

1. "Watch out, PETE BEST!"

2. "Tiny, inverse suns"

3. "Strong Bad did a jig"

The action poses for Mr. Bland and Señor are also taken from the OB.

Also notable are certain lines that are immediate recongizable:

*"Everybody loves the Homestar Runner. He is a terrific athlete."
*"Everybody loves the me. I'm a terrific athlete."

*"I'm the very strongest! You guys are not very strong!"
*"I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong."

*"I will drop my grapes and uncover that CHEAT!"
*"I will (a) drop my grapes, and (b) uncover that cheat!"

*"OH NO!" screamed Strong Bad.
*"Oh noooo!"

The reason that I say that these are significant and not just "yeah, it's a remake" is that they are so rare. Adding those few little pieces in precisely as in the original is very much in the style of homage. If there were more of them, as in the remake of In Search of the Yello Dello, I wouldn't think it significant--but the little places where the two synch up gives a longtime H*R fan a little thrill of recognition, and the BC know that. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

:You're using [[Strumstar Hammer]] as the model, y'know. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::I just used those because I find them more immediately recognizable as locators, and because it's funnier that way. I could say "the initial piles of 20 grapes," "the first round of added grapes," and "Strong Bad wobbling before falling down" -- but what fun would that be? --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 20:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Everything that happened in the original book, except Pom Pom willingly sharing the trophy, happened in the remake. And, in fact, the one difference is more surprising to me than any of the ton of similarities. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, technically, that's speculation. Homestar didn't ask for P2 to ''share'' the golbol, but to ''give him'' the golbol. Maybe Pom Pom keeps telling him that he wants to share it, and Homestar is the one not willing to share. While I think it would definitely be a funny ending if Pom Pom wants to keep the golbol to himself, we don't know if that's true.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::That was my interpretation, but I guess I see what you're saying. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::::To my mind, there's a huge difference between a similarity (most of the plot) and a recreation of a scene or an image. In any remake, there are typically a few scenes that pay direct homage to the original version, and those are usually called out by reviewers. And while there are a ton of vague similarities, there are very few lines or images that correspond directly to the original. I can't understand how those could not be considered notable -- especially since the technique of recreating the original pose was used for the intro and outro of the toon. --[[User:Darksasami|Darksasami]] 18:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::But it's arguable that this is less a remake than a "make" - the OB was never animated in the first place. As I said before, the only thing that (arguably) ''didn't'' happen in the 'toon that did happen in the original book was double-P sharing the GB. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Brooklyn Accent==

I am really suprised that there is nothing her about this but am I the ONLY one who hears the Grape Fairie say "Honest to God Mookie Wilson gave the golbol to my Aunt in 1973"? And am I the only one who thinks that "gave me the golbol to my hands" makes absolutely no sense? It's just that it doesn't feel right. even if it's not what I have there earlier, it's something about his "ant." Just a thought.--{{User:CoffeeCup73|CoffeeCup73}} 20:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Whether or not he says "aunt" or "hands", he definitely say "gave me". "Gave me the golbol to my aunt" makes even less sense than "gave me to my hands", which is really just an odd way of saying "he personally put it in my hands himself". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

I also thought it was aunt but his voice is so hard to tell that anyone can make a mistake [[User:Smallowman|Smallowman]] 12:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps -- and this may be a stretch -- he's saying that they were in Miami. I swear I can hear "Honest to God Mookie Williams gave me the golbol in Miami in 1973." Reasonable? --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 03:32, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== Once Upon a Time ==
Here's a piece of STUFF that got deleted within the first day: "This toon might include references to old Disney movies that began with a storybook opening, then fading into animation." The reason it got deleted was because I was the first person to write it. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's too TTATOT for a reference. I think it's just there to remind people that it's a book remake. Take me, for instance, who didn't realize that it was a book remake until Mr. Bland was introduced. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 22:49, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Inverse? Converse? ==

Here's a fun fact that I've removed:
*Strong Bad makes the comment: "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, inversely, you guys are not very strong!" However, he clearly meant to say conversely.
First of all, if this is re-admitted, it shouldn't say "clearly" because it's anything but clear. Secondly, Wikipedia states that the definition of [[Wikipedia:Inverse (logic)|inverse]] can include "all not P are not Q" which fits Strong Bad's use of the word. Filling in the blanks, he's saying "all not Strong Bads are not very strong". Actually, Wikipedia's best examples are on the page for [[Wikipedia:contraposition|contraposition]], though it uses the mathematical definitions instead of the logical definitions (and I'm unclear as to the specific differences between them).

The point is, Strong Bad's use of the word seems to be sound. The converse statement would be, "I am the very strongest. While on the other hand, conversely, the very strongest are me." I say remove the fun fact. Oh, and sorry for bringing this up about a year too late.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 06:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:The inverse of "I am the very strongest" would be "I am not the very strongest" which in this case would be equal to "One of you is the very strongest, but I am not". Clearly, this is not what he said.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::Pardon my bluntness, but says who?--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:43, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Says someone who studied Philosophy and Computer Science and should know a fair bit about logic. In my many years at university, I only ever encountered the first of the two meanings (which is equal to a negation) listed in that 'Kipedia article, and so I dismissed the second meaning (which is basically stating the same fact in a different way). Some torturing of the intarwebs showed that the second meaning is indeed legitimate and not just one of 'Kipedia's flukes. So yes, you were ''absolutely right'', he uses the word correctly, and the fact should be removed. Well spotted! Sorry for the fuss. And now I'll go and give my logic teachers what for.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Nah, that's cool. It was my fuss for bringing it up in the first place. In fact, I wouldn't have questioned it if the fun fact didn't use the word "clearly". I've got a big problem with people using semi-obscure definitions and then saying, "It's obvious!" I had a Statistical Mechanics professor who wrote some big complicated derivative on the board (I think it required a combination of the product and quotient rules-- nothing too tough, but not at all trivial) and then said it was "obvious" this was the result. Grrrr...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 05:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== DVD Audio ==

Sorry if I sound like I'm going crazy over this transcript, but does the DVD settle any of the issues we had transcribing this toon? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Be more specific and I'll give it a listen. I don't want to have to read this whole talk page and/or the whole transcript to figure out exactly what you mean. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 04:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::*Ladies and gentlemen, you '''can/can't''' not be ready for the Strongest Man in the World Contest!
::*And, Pom-Pom-Strong-Bad-and-'''Homestar/Doofus/Dumpface/Loser'''.
::*All right, youse ''{incomprehensible}'' brains. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 13:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:::That's as specific as I can be. Is the DVD truly no help? (I haven't been able to buy it myself) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
::::If I may add:
::::*Honest to God, Mookie Wilson gave me the Golbol {hush a bush push leopold} in 1974. Maybe I should bump the DVDs up my Netflix and just check it out meself....hmm....
::::{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 16:08, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Teen Girl Squad Issue 8

2008-05-29T07:53:50Z

Gaeamil: /* Goofs */

{{tgsnav|8|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|Issue 7|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9}}

[[Image:Kissy Boots.PNG|200px|thumb|Kissy Boots in action.]]

The girls join the Battle of the Bands.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Cheerleader}}, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Intercom|Intercom]], {{Film|Tompkins}}, [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Floor Tom|Floor Tom]], {{Film|Pom Pom}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fatty|Fatty]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|A Shark]], {{Film|Strong Bad}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#The School|The School]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Mrs. So-and-so-erson's Walk-in Closet|Mrs. So-and-so-erson's Walk-in Closet]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#School Stage|School Stage]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Dressing Room|Dressing Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, January 17, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 2:24

'''Page Title:''' Soopa Groop

{{dvd|Everything Else, Volume 1}}

==Transcript==
'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad! Cheerleader! ''{top 40 hits!}'' So and So! ''{hooked on classics!}'' What's Her Face! ''{college radio!}'' The Ugly One! ''{listens to pine bark!}''

''{The girls are sitting at their desks in class. The Cheerleader shirt says "Suga Sweet". The Cheerleader's desk has a square of paper, So and So's desk has a lamp on it, The Ugly One's desk has an open book on it, and What's Her Face's desk's legs are bent.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' And lunch today will be a breadtangle of pizza. Don't forget the battle of the bands this Friday. Tompkins, point your rear end in the direction of the principal's office.

'''TOMPKINS:''' ''{offscreen}'' Awww, peas!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Y'hear that girls??

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Pizza belongs in a triangle!

'''SO AND SO:''' ''{hearts over head and drooling awkwardly}'' That Tompkins is SUCH a renegade!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a mustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar}'' No yous guys! The battle of the bands! ''{back to normal}'' We can form a band and become...

'''ALL:''' WORLDWIDE STARLETS!!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Worldwide starlets get much boys!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Or so I have read. Obviously, I'll sing and pretend to play guitar.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Can I not get stuck playing bass?

'''CHEERLEADER, SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE:''' NO WAY!!

'''SO AND SO:''' We'll be called "Smartly Pretty".

''{a CD case is shown with <math>\frac{(S)m^ar+ly}{Pr\Sigma(\pi)y}</math> written on it}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{vomits}'' Augh! Bleh! Ewww! Grugh! ''{suddenly sotto voce}'' No. ''{cheerfully}'' We're called "Kissy Boots"!

''{a CD case which says "Kissy Boots" and features a huge pair of lips with cowboy boots is shown}''

'''SO AND SO:''' We can practice after school in my step-mom's walk-in closet!

''{Cut to an image of a man carrying a rock that reads...}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' After school!

''{Cut to So and So's step-mom's walk-in closet, as evidenced by a large rack of clothes.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Your step mom has questionable taste.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' And like a million jogging suits.

''{So and So's step-mother, who bears a very strong resemblance to the [[Arrow'd Guy]], appears from behind the clothes rack.}''

'''MRS. SO-AND-SO-ERSON:''' YOU LITTLE BRATS BEST SHUT YER YAPS!!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Yes Mrs. So-and-so... -erson.

''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson vanishes. The girls' instruments appear, Cheerleader with a guitar, So and So on keyboard, What's Her Face on bass and The Ugly One on drums.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Count us off, The Ugly One.

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' One, two, three and a four.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{singing as the other girls play}'' Ooncha ooncha! One, two, three-cha! We're Kissy Boots and it's nice to meetcha! ''{music pauses}'' Ooncha ooncha! ''{music resumes}'' One, two, three-cha! Gonna get a breadtangle of pizza!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' 16 hour drum solo! doo do boop bop...

''{She starts playing the drums and scatting along, until a large [[Wikipedia:Floor tom|floor tom]] eats her head.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' FLOOR TOMMED!!!!

''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson returns and pours "Ranch Dress" over The Ugly One and the floor tom}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' STEP-MOMMED!!!

''{Cut to a romantic dinner setting where The Ugly One, with the drum still engulfing her head, stands opposite Pom Pom, who holds a single rose.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' POM-POMMED??

''{Cut to a huge mouth with "BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!" written on its teeth.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!

''{Cut to the school auditorium, where the Intercom (mounted on a robot body) stands on stage with a microphone, and a handful of stick-figure heads compose the audience.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Alright, give it up for "Fatty's Big Chance."

''{A large man, presumably Fatty, with a saxophone and checkerboard pants appears from stage right.}''

'''FATTY:''' Pick it up! Pick it up! Hup! Hup! Pick it up! Pick it up!

''{Fatty vanishes.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Next up is "Kissyboots".

''{Cut to Cheerleader and What's Her Face, probably back stage. Cheerleader's shirt now says "X-girl". Cheerleader holds a heart-shaped guitar with three necks and What's Her Face has a bass.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Where is So and So? We can't play the hits without her!

''{Cut to So and So in a dressing room. Her hair is dyed black and she wears a black t-shirt with Strong Sad's face on it and heavy black makeup.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' I'm going with that gloomy keyboardist look I keep hearing about!

''{A group of trolls enters the dressing room.}''

'''TROLL:''' KRA'AGH! KLEET'OH BRANGH CHE'EKOH TAGHQ?

'''SO AND SO:''' My autograph? Why sure!

''{A huge multi-sided die lands on her from above.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' TWELVE SIDED DIED!! ''{without text}'' Oh, that's rough.

''{Back in the auditorium, Cheerleader and What's Her Face are the only ones on stage.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' I'm Kissyboots and she plays bass. One, two, three, and a four!

''{They start playing. What's Her Face's guitar suddenly turns into a shark.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' My bass feels seaworthy.

''{The shark eats the entire upper half of What's Her Face in one JGHOWMP!}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' OW! My most of me!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{indicating the shark}'' Dis my new backup band... a shark. One, two, three, and a four!

''{Cut to the end title which reads "it's over!". Cheerleader sings over it and the lyrics are shown at the top of the screen.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' It's over! It's over! Strong Bad says it's over! It's over! It's over! Everybody died 'cept me!! ''{a chomping sound is heard.}'' Aw, crap!

==Easter Eggs==
*At the end, click the "o" to see a breadtangle, breadpazoid, breadallelogram, and brhombus of [[pizza]] (click each one to see the next. Click the brhombus to go back to the IT'S OVER! screen.)
*Click the "!" to see what happened to Tompkins.
:''{Tompkins and Strong Bad are in the principal's office. Tompkins is standing to the left of Strong Bad. Strong Bad has a sign on his desk reading "PRINICPAL" [sic] and has a Sega cartridge saying "Road Rash." Tompkins is wearing shorts, and has his right hand in his pocket. Tompkins is also wearing a T-Shirt with the word "Truk" [sic] on it, and a poorly drawn truck on it}''
:'''TOMPKINS:''' Aw, come on prinicpal ''{pronounced as prin-ICK-pal}'' Strong Bad. I only stole ONE Sega tape!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' That's just it, Tompkins... You could have stolen UPWARDS of one Sega tape.
:'''TOMPKINS:''' Awww PEAS!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Kid, I think you're gonna turn out... HG HJHG HAAAALL ''{pronounced HAAAAAAL}'' right!

==Fun Facts==
=== Trivia ===
*This is the first Teen Girl Squad issue where all four girls clearly die.
*This is the first appearance of a main character (namely, Pom Pom and Strong Sad) in a Teen Girl Squad issue (outside of an Easter egg).
*This is the first time Strong Bad has made an apparently personal comment during narration.
*This is the first time that someone other than Strong Bad has said "IT'S OVER!"
*This is the first time someone said the word "[[crap]]" in a Teen Girl Squad issue.
*The main stage also appears in both the main email and an Easter egg in [[death metal]].
*Smartly Pretty is spelled using [[Wikipedia: calculus|calculus]] symbols.
*In the Easter egg, each of the pizza shapes is an actual geometric shape: rectangle, trapazoid, parallelogram, and rhombus.
*This is the first of five consecutive issues featuring a Strong Bad cameo.


===Remarks===
*So and So appears twice in this issue with two sharp fangs; The Ugly One also grows [[Fangs (Teen Girl Squad)|fangs]] in [[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Issue 6]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|Issue 10]].
*Cheerleader, So and So, and The Ugly One have no chairs by or attached to their desks to sit on.
*During their first practice session, What's Her Face looks like she is playing some odd mix between a Gibson Explorer and a Fender Jazz Bass, and Cheerleader is playing a Gibson V-Factor (more commonly known as the Flying V) with a Fender headstock. Also, the necks and heads of the two guitars are the same.
*In issue 7 of Teen Girl Squad, the girls tell on Tompkins for "making a swear" when he said heck. In this issue, he says "Awww, Peas!", an example of a [[Wikipedia:Minced oath|minced oath]].
*Breadtangle, breadpazoid, breadallelogram, and brhombus are [[portmanteaus]].
*What's Her Face holds her bass guitar [[Left Handedness|left-handed]].


=== Goofs ===
*The die that crushes So And So is a [[Wikipedia:Icosahedron|20-sided die]]. [[Wikipedia:Dodecahedron|Twelve-sided dice]] have pentagonal faces.
*The blue lines on the paper are misplaced inside Tompkins' speech bubble in the Easter egg.
*At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.
*Before "Kissy Boots" practice, the piano loop overlaps.
*Cheerleader is supposed to play the guitar; however, in the closet jam, the instrument she is holding has only 4 tuners like a bass.
*When Mrs. So-And-So-erson finishes talking, the background music skips.

=== Inside References ===
*"Ooncha ooncha, one, two, three-cha" and Tompkins debuted in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
*The "[[-erson]]" tacked onto Mrs. So and So's name is a running gag also previously used on Teen Girl Squad Issue #7.
*Strong Bad is called a "prinicpal" (note the misspelling) by his nameplate and by Tompkins, just like in the [[Homestar Quiz]] and [[CGNU]].
*What's Her Face's desk is resting on her lap, and this could be a reference to the DVD commentary for the email "[[date]]."
*When What's Her Face points out that Mrs. So-and-so-erson has "like a million jogging suits" her mouth looks like one of the earlier versions of What's Her Face when she had huge lips. This early version is in Matt and Mike's sketchbook on the DVD.

*Cheerleader's inexplicable change of dress when she says "No yous guys" is similar to what happens to a pile of marshmallows in [[Meet Marshie]].
*When So and So talks about Tompkins being a renegade, she has an expression on her face reminiscent of [[Doreauxgard]] in [[lackey]].
*Smartly Pretty is spelled using the [[Pi]] symbol.
*What's Her Face's title card descriptions are usually meant to portray her as uncool; therefore, the "college radio!" caption probably refers to [[radio]], in which Strong Bad described college radio as "utter misery".

===Real-World References===
*The [[Sega Tapes|Sega "tape"]] (technically a ROM cartridge) Tompkins steals in the Easter egg is "Road Rash." [[Wikipedia:Road Rash|Road Rash]] was a [[Wikipedia:Sega Genesis|Sega Genesis]]/Sega MegaDrive game where you race on motorcycles and knock other racers off their motorcycles by punching them or using clubs.
**All of Kissyboots' music is taken from the in-game music of Road Rash.
*One of The Ugly One's drums reads "mr. drummond", a reference to Philip Drummond, a character in the '70s/'80s TV show ''[[IMDB:tt0077003|Diff'rent Strokes]]''.
*Cheerleader's three-necked guitar is a reference to [http://www.jemsite.com/jem/model/vai_triple.htm Steve Vai's guitar], which he played in the video for "Just Like Paradise" by David Lee Roth.
*The "16 hour drum solo" brings to mind the epic drum solos of many songs from the [[Wikipedia:Classic rock|classic rock]] era.
*Cheerleader's close-up of her with a hat, mustache, glasses, and a tie is similar to that of the [[Wikipedia:Blues Brothers|Blues Brothers]], though the way she says "yous guys" also directs the reference toward Edward G. Robinson.
*The trolls and the gamers multi-sided die are staples of [[Wikipedia:Role playing game|RPGs]] such as [[Wikipedia:Dungeons and dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]].
*The opening quote for So and So "[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000063T50/002-1408612-1164808?v=glance Hooked on Classics]" refers to a real compilation album. It consists of classical musical themes set against rock beats.
*Fatty's Big Chance is clearly a [[Wikipedia:ska|ska]] band, with his checkered pants and the phrase "pick-it-up".
**This is likely a specific reference to the 1970s British ska band [[Wikipedia:Bad Manners|Bad Manners]] and its fat, shaven-headed singer [[Wikipedia:Buster Bloodvessel|Buster Bloodvessel]]. The checkered pants match the standard set by the British ska label [[Wikipedia:Two Tone|Two Tone]], on which Bad Manners recorded. Additionally, Bad Manners recorded the song "Lip Up, Fatty".
*What's Her Face's bass transforming into a shark is a reference to the 1997 TV special, "[[IMDB:tt0218329|Hey, Hey, It's the Monkees]]". During a musical sequence, Mike's guitar turns into a shark.
*So and So's wardrobe for the Battle of the Bands is a reference to [[Wikipedia:emo|emo]] culture.

== DVD Version ==
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

===Commentary Transcript===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Matt Chapman]], [[Ryan Sterritt]], [[Mike Chapman]])

'''MIKE:''' So, we got our man Ryan Sterritt up in the house! Ryan, give a shout-out!

'''RYAN:''' Yo, yo!

'''MATT:''' Um, what is The Ugly One doing listening to pinebark, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' Does What's Her Face never have an apostrophe?

'''MATT:''' Uh yeah, y— I noticed that this week you added one for number ten. And she usually doesn't have one.

'''MIKE:''' ''{simultaneously}'' And she's never had one before? I mean, it ''should'' have one, right?

'''MATT:''' I mean, sometimes "it's over", yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Didn't we fix all the "it's over"s?

'''RYAN:''' We did, but only two of the nine had apostrophes.

'''MIKE:''' On the website?

'''RYAN:''' Yes.

'''MIKE:''' But on the DVD they've all got 'em. I've finally learned the difference. Because of your Strong Bad's, uh, Rhythm and Grammar song!

'''MATT:''' Well, there you go!

'''MIKE:''' So... these days, one of the Teen Girl Squad's members almost always has fangs, at some point in the cartoon.

'''MATT:''' Tha— that's always Mike. Mike loves to add the fangs. You know that Mike drew those frames if they have fangs.

'''MIKE:''' ''{sotto voce}'' I drew that. ''{normal volume}'' And I played bass! Like— like What's Her Face! I know what she's going through.

'''MATT:''' Like Kim Gordon! And—

'''MIKE:''' Darcy!

'''MATT:''' Laura! Laura from Superchunk, and Darcy from Smashing Pumpkins.

'''RYAN:''' Jabucks had a girl bass player.

'''MATT:''' Did they? Look at that poor guy.

'''MIKE:''' ''{simultaneously}'' Kim Deal? Girl bassists... I'm not a girl, just to be clear! ''{laughs}'' I don't know how we got on girl bass players.

'''MATT:''' Hey guys, look at how creepy Mrs. So-and-so-erson is.

'''MIKE:''' I remember going to friends' houses and, like, their— the walk-in closet was kind of a fun place to play.

'''MATT:''' The, uh— the New You used to play in a walk-in closet I had at the Plaza Apartments! And we played for months and months and months and the day before I moved out was the only day someone came and complained about the noise... which was really surprising. Umm, so, I'm not believing that stuff about a bombing sixteen-hour drum solo, you guys.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' You can't— ha—

'''MATT:''' Uh, so now, we've personified that speaker, uh, into some kind of speaker robot.

'''MIKE:''' Kinda looks like Screech's best friend robot that's in one episode of Saved by the Bell.

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Um, Kevin is his name.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. Fatty there, of course, being— representing the ska contingent.

'''MIKE:''' Were you ever into ska, Ry?

'''RYAN:''' Uh, yeah. Ska punk.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah? ''{laughs}'' Pick it up, pick it up, BossTones? Pick it up, pick it up, pick it up, pick it up!

'''MATT:''' ''{simultaneously}'' So what...

'''RYAN:''' Yeah. There's some Magadog on— there's some others with other catchy names.

'''MATT:''' ''{sings}'' Sound system gonna bring me back up right. Op Ivy, guys? That were I first heard "pick it up, pick it up".

'''MIKE:''' Eh, Op Ivy?

'''MATT:''' Yeah. ''{laughs}'' Dis my new band.

'''MATT and MIKE:''' Dis Marky... and the Bitsy Boys!

'''MIKE:''' So were those people— were those supposed to be people in the foreground?

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Or black lollipops?

'''MATT:''' Oh no.

'''MIKE:''' Oh wait, did she die then?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

===Fun Facts===
*The "Strong Bad's Rhythm and Grammar" song Mike refers to is from [[local news]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:tgs8.html|watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]]
*[[HR:tgs8.swf|view the Flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]]
*[[Forum:1770|forum thread re: "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

{{subtitlesLinks|tgs8}}

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== Klown Kare ==
This page needs some serious klown kare, and not just the funny kind. No, I'm talking DEATH METAL KLOWN KARE! Y'know, cause I heard of this band with a clown mascot or sumtin. Whatever, just fix it! --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:The page doesn't look too bad to me, but I cleaned some of it up. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Could we also get a different image to match the current caption or give the current image a different caption? Seriously, the line is ''not'' said at that part, and you don't want the Bros. Chaps to use the current image when they post the email on Podstar Runner in the next few months, do ya? --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 14:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Missing Scene Transcript? ==
What about the scene that follows the film-rating screen where Strong Bad attempts to get into a movie he isn't old enough for, along with Bubs and Coach Z? This article seems to end just before that scene. What gives?
:on it, y'all --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Explaining the R ==

Does someone want to take a stab at explaining how this is kind of a twist on how before movie ratings had the NC-17 designation, they got an X rating, but there were XXX ratings as well, but there was never any official explanation to the public as to what the difference was between X, XX, and XXX? It really does seem to be based on this, as despite TBC's strong desire to not reference pornography directly, their blurry "RRR-movies" is clearly a reference to the early days of cable with the blocked out pornographic channels, which was also when the X vs XXX issue was public.--[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: For reference, there is not and never was an official "XXX" rating - according to Wikipedia (and some other source I read in the past) adult movie makers deliberately gave movies an "XXX rating" on their own to make their movies look even more enticing. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::The only rating that exist is the X-rating. However, you have to pay money to have your movie be rated, so adult movie makers just add in an "XXX rating", both to make the movie exiciting, and to save money sending it over to the review board. Nobody has given an "XX"-rating movie, because it just sounds plain dumb.--[[User:149.169.205.74|149.169.205.74]] 18:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Right...I'm aware of both of those...but at the time, there were all sorts of unofficial explanations thrown around. (Remember, this is before wikipedia, this was back in the days when there wasn't a ready available source of answers on popculture.) And, at the time, explaining the difference between an X rated a XXX rated movie included all sorts of weird claims. Yes, it was pure advertising, but the assumption of those who were looking felt that there was some basis for the rating. And yes, I've never heard of a XX movie either, but in the urban legend explanation, I assure you, people were coming up with classifications for them. --[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== SB's dad? ==

I'm probably reading way too far into it, which is why I'm not putting it on any article, but how telling is it that he says Coach Z "only ''kinda''" looks like his mother, but says nothing about Bubs's [[Family Resemblence|resemblance]] to his father? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

though TBC makes Coach Z and Bubs seem like the equivalent of say, HOmestar and Marzi or Strong Bad and The Cheat (at times) I would bet money that Strong Bad did not mean to make any refrence to Bubs looking like his father. Yes, it sound like you were reading a ''bit'' to far into it. (I hope that this makes sense...) --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 00:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Posters ==

yo's, can somebody start trivia-ing and inside reference-ing the movie posters? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 17:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: Aren't the movie posters the same ones as the RRR-rated movies SB had only just mentioned? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: Oh, oh, OOOOOOHHHHHH!!! You meant the people ON the posters. Wight, wight. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but there seem to be some hidden jokes there. For example, I did catch [[Cherry Greg]] listed in the credits of one film. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I also caught [[A. Chimendez]] on one of them. I think it was the second. -{{User:YK/sig}} 17:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Fists of One-Through-Twenty Four ==

would the fists of knuckles series be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Rocky (film series)|rocky]], which is not only a fighting series, but is the prototypical--and unless i am mistaken, the most made-fun-of--"too many sequels" series...? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 18:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's more a reference the the myriad kung fu films with some variation on [http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=fist+of|"fist of..."] for a title. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 21:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Coach Z, fuh-ree-kee! ==

Coach Z ''really'' wants to be a mom doesn't he? First it was [[garage sale|garbage sale]] and now this! He is ''confuuuuuused!''

-Alex H.

== Scrambled ==

has anybody unscrambled the image on the tv at the end? I don't even know if it's possible, but it looks like there's a puppy in it.[[User:64.244.131.194|64.244.131.194]]
:[[Image:Blurry TV Screen.PNG|thumb|right]]
:Here's two images from the decompiled Flash file. That's as good as they get in the actual toon. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::The top one looks like it has Trogdor's beefy arm in it, and the bottom one reminds me of the snowman from the [[Wikipedia:ClayFighter|ClayFighter]] series. I'm sure they're both coincidences, though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::If you invert the colours, the image becomes more clear. A minotaur-like man weilding a bone against a black-haired fellow in jeans can be pieced together from both pictures. They need to be, um, degaussed or something to fully restructure them. Something that requires technology beyond my grasp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Blurry TV Screen slightly undistorted.png|thumb|right]]
::::Mmmyeah, one can even make out which Chap is in the picture when you undistort it slightly. Someone with better tools or skillz than me should get to work on this.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hm... Minotaur-like man? Weilding a club? Against a man? On Homestar Runner? Asking many question fragments? Or is that me? Anyway, mayhap it's from [[Peasant's Quest Trailer]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::For reference, when I hit the "edit" button to reply to that, the slightly-unscrambled picture wasn't present. I'm not entirely sure whether I was right or wrong with my guess, seeing it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::It's Kerrek! Check out around 3524 in the PQ's Trailer! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::And the bad cable smote the Kerrek, and all was laid to staticnation. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Though Kerrek looks a LOT less menacing in that picture than I usually imagine him. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Mayeb that's why we only see him in extreme close-up in the trailer.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::What I think it is, it's just Mike (or some other actor?) with the Kerrek head costume menacing Matt in the peasant robe, holding Jhonka's bone. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::I went into photoshop and fixed it a bit more -- THe Kerrek isn't the one holding the bone, it's Matt that's holding it. I went ahead and replaced the image with my version. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 12:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Nice work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Rating card confusion ==

Um, it says in the Trivia section that green rating screens are only for G-rated screens. [http://www.souleropposite.com/images/mpaa.gif Not true]. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 21:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Noted and removed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

It's still not quite accurate. The green cards are given when the trailer itself is approved for all audiences, even if the movie is PG or R rated. Red (and yellow) cards are for instances where the ''trailer'' is restricted.

:Good point. A side-note, the band, in this case, should actually be yellow. Since previews for "certain audiences" (as stated in toon) or "age-restricted" (as in real life) previews on the internet are this way. However, it's hard to even state that as this rating card says "the following FILM" instead of "the following PREVIEW" as it should. Multiple non-important errors are present in that card. But not really a big issue. The current revision of this Trivia tid-bit is fine. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 21:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Except that it's factually incorrect. Updating. [[User:Wfaulk|Wfaulk]] 23:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Hold on a second here. The rating screen is NOT for a trailer. It's for the actual movie. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The trailer rating card color is in reference to the trailer's appropriateness. An R-rated movie could get a green card if the content is appropriate for play with films of any rating. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_%28film%29 or the movie "This Film is Not Yet Rated."

:Above comment, ID your responses, thank you. The current revision is totally incorrect. The card itself states it is appropriate for 'certain audiences' although not to be taken seriously, literally it is incorrect. As stated on wikipedia, internet trailers for only certain audiences (age appropriate) are to be yellow. I suggest total removal of this item as people can't seem to get the correct information here. And as Jay states above, this isn't really a rating for a PREVIEW it is for a FILM. The Film as a whole. Again, removal would avoid any further confusion and debate. UPDATE: Removed and noted as such. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 15:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I would have to wholeheartedly disagree. I view the humor in Homestar as very similar to the way I view the humor in [http://www.xkcd.com XKCD]; and I think the wiki facilitates that. What I mean is, I don't know how many times I've 'kipediaed the punchline of and xkcd comic about programing or science or whatnot, and actually learned something practical. I have never felt the need to google something that was referenced on H*R because I always knew that I could ''use'' the wiki, as well as contribute to it. I think this information is something worth noting for the simple facts that it is:
# Interesting
# Factually Accurate
# Relevant to the Cartoon

It is important, nay, necessary for the continued useful of this Wiki that facts such as the one in question stand. If I can't find out about the colors used for different ratings of movie trailers on HRWiki, what hope is there left for this community. {{User:Flashfight/sig}}15:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:The problem with item #2 is that different users' understanding of the wikipedia entry is different. It's technically an internet trailer not for all audiences so shouldn't it be yellow? But wait, it's not labeled as a PREVIEW, but the card is labeled as a FILM rating (RRR). The errors in this card make any logical comparison to a real life rating card impossible, hence why I suggested removal. In the case of this card, the color can be whatever the Brothers Chaps want it to be since it is not formatted like an official mpaa rating card. This fact makes any trivia we insert, incorrect no matter what info we put in it. I also recommend adding an 'in-progress' or 'being debated' banner (unsure if hrwiki has the debate banner) to this section so it is not constantly being changed back and forth. The item should remain off until the debate is settled. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 16:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

=== Neutral Wording ===
While we don't have a debate banner, to my knowledge, I would have to say that the information you just laid out, about the MPAA color system, about how this is a preview banner not a film banner, is exactly of the ilk that would make a good fact. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 16:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Not a bad idea. A properly neutral trivia point could be nice. Something along the lines of "This toon uses a variation of the MPAA rating card (<-link) used for movie trailers." That, of course, could be expanded to include more info, or one could just rely on the wikipedia link to provide the info. Anyone feel free to expand on this idea, just don't use my exact quote please. Thanks {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 16:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmm, now we get down to wordsmithing. Maybe something along the lines of
*The Rating Card used is model after that of the <'kipedia link> Motion Picture Association of America </'kipdedia link>; however the colorized cards are used for trailers, as opposed to films themselves.
**Also, the rating of 'certain audiences' would suggest a restricted rating, which are colored in either yellow or red, as opposed to the unrestricted green used here.
Actually, I kinda hate that wording, but I'm going to throw it on the page, and we can tweak it from there. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 16:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Nice! That's not at all bad. I think it is quite neutral. Nicely done. It could be tightened up somewhat I think, but I'll let you ponder that since this is your quote. Again, I like it. Oh, and of note, I fixed a small typo, 'model' to 'modeled.' {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 17:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Come Back When You're All Growed Up ==

Is it a Rugrats reference? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Could you explain what about this is referencing The Rugrats? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::The Rugrats had another series a few years ago under the premise that the Rugrats had grown up to become preteens. The name of the program was called something like "Rugrats: All Growed Up" {{User:Flashfight/sig}}
:::It was called [[Wikipedia:All Grown Up!|All Grown Up!]], but the Rugrats special it was based on was called [[Wikipedia:All Growed Up|All Growed Up]]. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Hmm... I guess. On one hand, it can go right into the [[Nickelodeon]], but on the other, it's not one of the classics that TBC probably growed up watching. I'm on the fence on this one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Do keep in mind that Cardgage does not say "All Growed Up". There's a clear (well, for Cardgage) "L" sound in there. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Perhaps a delete-heads reference? ==

the easter egg with strong sad and homsar a delete-heads refance perhaps?
:In what conceivable way? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::That was my first impression upon viewing this, it was very clear that Gron Sad and Homsar [both card carrying Deleteheads] are engaged in fan clubery. Whether that's worth a mention of not is debatable, but I definitely agree that the connection is there. {{User:Flashfight/sig}}
:::Homsar and Strong Sad are friends way before we ever saw the Delete-Heads. So unless they are wearing their hats, I think think it is safe to say it is not a reference. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Interesting talk thread though. There's nothing in the toon to pin it down, but it's an interesting thought. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::It was my first impression, too, with Strong Sad hanging around waiting for his chance to do his "restricted" bit. It was reinforced by the easter egg, with them camping out waiting for their chance. Definite fan behaviour.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 21:39, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Right, it isn't that it's Gron Sad and Homsar are together, it's that they're engaged in fanboyery. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 21:47, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== What is that fweaking wooowd? ==

I hear Bu-hubs say "Trina," not "Gena" (which I've never seen spelled as anything but "Gina" anyway). I was thinking it went along with the Women's Pen (etc. etc.) star, but that poster may have just biased my hearing. Can somebody with better tech skills or more-awakeness than me slow down the audio and check? In the meantime, I'm-a gonna change it m'self. -- {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 14:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Frankly, I heard Tina. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, "Gena" is the more familiar spelling to me, but I heard Trina, myself, too. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== e.email cummings ==

Does <big> anyone</big> else think we should put SB's erratic typing into a sender's-email-style box, to accurately depict the erraticness (erraticity? errata? Erik Estrada?)? We don't really have a precedent for him doing this sort of thing, unless you count when he typed in different fonts to pretend to be legions of screaming girls. I'd argue that this example is considerably different from that one, though. Unfortunately, I'm not enough of a computer genius man to format wiki font in that way. Anybody agree it should be done/up to the task? -- {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 14:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I'd agree for what its worth. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Sausage King, your concurrence leads me to believe that, without any dissent, this is a worthwhile endeavor. However, I am a bit worried how it will effect the readability. I would say that the best course of action would be to have someone actually create the page you're talking about, either in the [[HRWIKI:Sandbox|Sandbox]] or on a personal sub-page. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 15:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm. This is a transcript. It shows the words spoken. It's not meant to be a copy of the email, which wouldn't really be a nice thing to do. I would support a thumbnail of the formatting for people who might not be able to access the email. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure whether this should be done or not, but here's the magic code to make it work:
<blockquote class="lappy email">
] Oh, think you're
preTTy clever
eh?
-e.email cummings
</blockquote>
::::I think that if this is in there, it should still be supplemented with what SB actually says, in a readable order... 'cause that rearranged text is a bit hard to decypher... it's possible, but takes thought. Perhaps this should go under Trivia, rather than the Transcript, if we do include it? Just throwing the idea out there... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== Green rating screen ==

This is quite enough appearances to merit a template, right? Somebody, am I ri-am I wrong? John Adams said so! --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 20:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think it has appeared in more than two toons. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::There is also [[In Search of the Yello Dello Theatrical Trailer]], but this one is of a simpler format. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Remarks section, red band trailer note ==

Someone added a remark talking more about red banded trailers. I don't believe this is needed as trailer bands are talked about enough in the trivia section. What do you all think? {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 07:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
==Second Time==
This is the second time we see [[Senor Cardgage]] as an usher. --[[User:School of Rock|School]] 17:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:Second times are generally not notable. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
::However, it is entirely a relevant proposition for [[Occupations]] {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 19:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

==Yeah, Pwobably Not.==
According to the MPAA restrictions placed on R-rated movies, Strong Bad is no older than sixteen.
:Uh...technically, he's going to see a "RRR-rated movie", which he says you need to be almost sixty to get into. I don't think this reference is notable, but I don't want it to be reverted the second I delete it. [[User:DevonM|DevonM]] 22:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess this one doesn't work, since it never says he can't see R-rated movies, only RRR-rated ones. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Out of curiosity ==

Did TBC go all the way back to last year's edits on the [[Swears]] article and base the green warning screen on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Swears&diff=449827&oldid=449823 this]? --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:No, that warning box was taken from [[Commandos in the Classroom]], actually. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== XX rating ==

There has never been a movie marketed under a Double-X rating. I don't know the right way to phrase this into the fact, but perpetuating a common misconception about post-NC-17 ratings can't be the best work we could be doing. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 01:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've never even heard of XX. Maybe X and the fictional XXX. Either way, this isn't a good fact and should be changed. Maybe just stick with only the first sentence and remove mention of the X's. {{User:Joshr915/sig}}
::As I don't do porn, I'm not entirely familiar with these informally used ratings; however, a [http://www.google.com/search?q=xxx-rated&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS250US251 google search] (note that the descriptions provided the search engine may have a bit of explicit language) seems to suggest the term XXX-rated is quite common, while obviously unofficial, and thus is likely worth noting as the origin of Strong Bad's notion of RRR-rated movies. The term [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS250US251&q=xx-rated&btnG=Search XX-rated] seems less common, though not unheard of, apparently. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::As historical context, the original post-R rating (now NC-17) was originally X. Pornographers 'rated' their films XXX in an attempt to suggest that they were even more explicit than what is allowed under the X standard. There is not and never has been (even unofficially) a XX rating. The fact needs to reflect that. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 02:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, the fact already says they're popularly used rather than official. As for the distinction between the XXX rating often used by pornographers and the XX rating which (apparently) is largely a term used only by the public, it hardly seems worth noting the distinction between two not-at-all real ratings. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:26, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== How many really? ==

Strong Bad claims that only three RRR-rated movies have ever been made, but then at least implies that all 24 of the Fists of Knuckles movies are RRR-rated. This would bean that there are 26 RRR's in existence, not three. Goofs? Remarks?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 04:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:specially marked

2008-04-29T04:37:53Z

Gaeamil: /* UPSerif */

== Brain ==
I would just like to say that I think that the piece of the brain picture that strong bad mentions is a picture of the final boss of contra III: alien wars.
:[http://sdb.drshnaps.com/sheets/Misc/Misc/Other/Contra3LastBoss.gif Sure looks like it], minus the two horns though. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 12:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Good catch. And we know TBC play Contra because of [[Couch Mumbling]]. Someone who know about about it add it to the RWR. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hm. Very interesting. I'd say the head-on view makes the case pretty strong for whatever this boss's name is, but what about the Mother Brain from Metroid? We also know that they have played it, from the Tandy in [[invisibility]] and "NES Endings" in [[japanese cartoon]]. She only ever appears in profile, though. Perhaps we could add a might for her? Now, yes, I know that me introducing this will elicit screams of TTATOT, but it really isn't.--{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 21:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I think the angle really make the difference here. Not only there is an eye in the brain, it's also in the exact center, and is seen from the same point as the Contra boss. I think even the creases on the bran itself are similar. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like a [[Cacodemon]] to me, especially considering previous references to them. The "moustache" isn't really there (might be on purpose to keep the look of a brain) but you can see a hatched area at the bottom of the picture suggesting a mouth, the Contra boss doesn't have anything that corresponds to that --[[User:91.4.91.91|91.4.91.91]] 13:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== UPSerif ==

How notable is this remark? Almost all cereal boxes contain UPC codes; that's not what Strong Bad is complaining about. It's when you have to SEND IN UPC codes, which would probably be noted somewhere on the cereal's box in any font they chose. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
: What remark are you talking about exactly?
:: Okay, it's listed as a "Goof." Whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I say if we keep it at all it should be listed under Remarks and not Goofs. Though I don't think this is even needed. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I assume the remark in question has something to do with SB's "waste of serif" line? In which case... Sans Serif is an actual font used in word processors; I think it's pretty obvious that that's what he's referencing here. Anyone agree? (Maybe STUFF it?) -Zero.exe
:Typefaces are classified as either [[Wikipedia:Serif|Serif]] or [[Wikipedia:Sans serif|Sans serif]]; serifs themselves are the little modifications that only serif typefaces have. By claiming they're a "waste of serif", to me it seems he's suggesting they're a waste of ink or a waste of letters. The "goof" here is that the typeface used on the box in the email is actually a sans-serif font, and there are no serifs wasted, if we interpret his statement literally as referring to serifs rather than letters/ink. As Jay notes, it also doesn't make much sense to call the UPC itself a waste of anything. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 01:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it was SB referring to it being a waste of letters. I would have added it to explanations or external references if I had figured out which it was...--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 04:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's Mum ==

This is the second email in a row in which SB has mentioned his mother.
:Probably could add that to the remarks section. depends how often he mentions her aside from these 2 emails. please ID your posts. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Marshmallow ==

Worth mentioning that one of the marshmallows appears to be a boxing glove? [[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 20:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:It is, if it's not already in the transcript. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

==obvious reference to Lucky Charms==
Lucky Charms are the originator or squary, sugary pieces of Styrofoam.
: It's the most famous, for sure, but it's certainly not the only such cereal and I'm not even sure it's the first. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Maze ==
[[Image:Crack Stuntman Maze.png|thumb|You can't escape me!]]
Out of curiosity...someone should get a screen grab and see if the maze on the box is actually solvable. Could add that to the remarks section. (which currently doesn't exist) {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
: It is solvable and fairly well done, I suspect TBC have done this sort of thing before. I'd upload my screengrab if I could get the appropriate permission. ~ TMX
::No permission needed — go ahead! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::: No, you don't understand, when I try to upload it here, I get this error message. "Permission error The action you have requested is limited to users in one of the groups Autoconfirmed users, Bots, Sysops." I guess I could dump it at imageshack then link it here if that's cool.
::::Oh, ''that'' kind of permission. Yeah, you'll have to wait about a day or so before you're autoconfirmed; I'll go ahead and upload it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::And I found out the solution already. Man, that was easy. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
::::::I can't find it! Can someone please tell me how to get past the glasses? Or are the glasses part of the maze? {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 11:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Here's the [[:Image:Crack Stuntmaze Solution.png|solution to the maze]] (z0mg spoilers). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Look like Stuntman had a bad tan... {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Defibrillators ==

Strong Bad mentions them as restarting a heart "if it stops" but this is not what they're used for. A defibrillator "resets" a heart that is beating too quickly. For a stopped heart, you use an adrenaline shot. — [[User:BustedHambroiger|BustedHambroiger]] ([[User talk:BustedHambroiger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BustedHambroiger|contribs]]) 23:09, 21 April 2008 (left [[HRWiki:Standards#Do sign your Talk posts|unsigned]])
:I don't think so..thats why they have defibs in public places and such. So if someone has a heart attack or whatever they can use it on em. They don't have adrenaline shots in public. I don't doubt they use shots, Im just saying I think the defib has a broader use that what you stated. And please ID your posts. thanks {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think BustedHambroiger is medically correct there, in that defibrillators are, as the name suggests, used to treat ventricular fibrillation (rapid, irregular beating) - it's a common mistake in the media that people are typically defibrillated when they have flatlined. It might be worth trying on flatlined patients in case the heart is in very rapid fibrillation, but it won't help if the heart has just stopped entirely. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 01:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:BustedHambroiger is right. The Wikipedia article states: "Defibrillation is the definitive treatment for the life-threatening cardiac arrhythmias ventricular fibrillation and pulseless ventricular tachycardia." The former is a condition where the cardiac muscles contract spastically, and the latter is a rapid heart rhythm. Hollywood has given the impression that defibrillators can revive a stopped heart mostly due to the film "Flatliners", but while failing to stop ventricular fibrillation can cause a flatline, using one on someone whose heart has stopped is likely to have no effect. The More You Know! ^_- [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 08:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Technically the article says its not likely to work, or that its not the preferred method for dealing with a stopped heart. That does not mean that they couldn't or shouldn't be used to restart a stopped heart. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

:::There's only one way to settle this... Clear! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Being a certified [[Wikipedia:National Safety Council|National Safety Council]] instructor in the use of home and office defibrillators, I can say with some certainty that, while not their primary usage, they can be used to restart a heart. A defib. works to make the heart rhythms closer to the normal range, and will work whether the heart is beating too fast, too slow, or not at all. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 19:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::The relevant question is whether any of this is notable enough to be mentioned on the page. I vote not. Strong Bad's usage is equivalent of that of the general populace, correct or not. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, this is good talk page material, but it's not enough of a misunderstanding to warrant inclusion in the article. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, Strong Bad isn't a doctor. Everything he knows about medicine probably comes from watching medical dramas on the TV. "Fantastic! I can restart my heart if it stops!" is funnier than "Fantastic! I can restart my heart if it undergoes life-threatening cardiac arrhythmias ventricular fibrillation or pulseless ventricular tachycardia!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:14, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hypotheticos-Temporarios?/Braineye-Foreheadjewel? ==

I see a connection of some kind between the Hypotheticos cerial and the Temporarios cereal from [[strong badathlon]]. I also think the eye in Strong Bad's brain might have something to do with the jewel in his forehead. Anyone agree? {{User:Neox/sig}}

:Re cereal: They've got similar names, but I don't see anything else to connect the two (like, it's not obvious that they're different versions of the same cereal or anything).
:Re braineye: That crossed my mind too, but now that I see it's reference to the boss of ''Contra III'', I don't think it has any other meaning. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:06, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Re re braineye: I knew that too from reading the above talk sections, but I think it could be more than a coincidence...{{User:Neox/sig}}

== Outside the border ==

Okay, i know we usually don't bother with stuff outside the border in the flash file, but this is just odd. At the end, after you click on homestar's feet, there will be a second crappy stuntmask off to the right side... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:That's the mask that will print if you click the print button. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ready For Primetime

2008-02-02T03:58:23Z

Gaeamil: You link to the complete, therefore, this isn't complete.

[[Image:Primetime.PNG|thumb|right|150px|"...and that blond guy did a tiny, tiny dance."]]
[[Image:haircut_primetime_drawing.PNG|thumb|right|150px|"SWEETIE CAKES! SWEETIE CAKES!"]]

'''Ready For Primetime''' (also called "Not Ready For Primetime" in the DVD commentary for [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]) is the newest member of the [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] cast. He debuted in the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[haircut]].

The name "Ready For Primetime" is derived from "haircut" when [[Strong Bad]] says "And don't forget: the 'Ready for Primetime.'" before drawing Ready For Primetime onto a photo of [[Strong Mad]]'s face. When Strong Mad suggested a resemblance to one of the "SWEETY CAKES" characters, Strong Bad drew a rough [[Eh! Steve!]] in the corner of the photo and murmured "Eh! [[Greg]]", but the [[haircut#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary for the email]] confirms that the character's name is in fact "Ready For Primetime."

The name may also be a reference to the early days of the NBC television show ''[[Wikipedia:Saturday Night Live|Saturday Night Live]]'', the cast of which was once known as the "Not Ready For Primetime Players".
== Filmography ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[haircut]]
*[[:Category:Ready For Primetime Filmography|Complete filmography]]

[[Category: Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Characters]]
[[Category:Character Variations]]

Fan Costumes '07

2008-02-02T03:42:57Z

Gaeamil: /* Inside References */

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|costumes2007|Jibblies 2|Toikey TV}}
[[Image:Fan Costumes '07 SB HR.png|thumb|"You know, it's the little things that make these costumes so terrible..."]]
Strong Bad makes fun of the Halloween costumes fans made for — you guessed it! — the ''4th'' time!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Bubs}}/[[The Thnikkaman]], {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (all audio only)

'''Costumes depicted (in order of first appearance):''' [[Crack Stuntman]], [[Eh! Steve!]], [[Stinkoman]], The [[Thnikkaman]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The Pizz]] Delivery Girl, [[Homsar]], [[Videlectrix]] Guy, [[Modestly Hot Homsar]], [[The Yello Dello]]

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]]

'''Date:''' Monday, November 5, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 4:08

'''Page Title:''' People are STILL doing it!

==Transcript==
''{The wall of Strong Bad's Basement is visible, and a [[Projections|projector screen]] snaps down from the ceiling. An offscreen slide projector turns on, filling the screen with white light. The projector displays the first slide: a man dressed as Crack Stuntman, but with his hair dyed green, in a [[Wikipedia:Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia|Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia]] fraternity house.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' BLAAH! You're Crack Stuntman! I bet you impressed a ton of ladies explaining what ''that'' costume was from. ''{imitating a fraternity brother voice}'' "No, baby, listen. It's like this cartoon man from this cartoon show. And he does the voice of this other cartoon man inside the cartoon man show. It's so awesome, h-- Oh, cool, you're gonna leave with my fraternity brother who dressed up as Dale, Jr. That's cool!"

''{The next slide appears: a picture of a boy in a cardboard box designed like Eh! Steve! around his torso. He is standing in the foyer of his house and a dog is sitting nearby.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating Eh! Steve!}'' Eh! Cardboard box!

''{The next slide appears: a picture of a man wearing a papier-mâché Stinkoman mask, gloves and boots with a tan shirt, long black pants and blue crate.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nice Stinkoman costume! And you're performing the ever-controversial ''{pronounces "controversial" as "con-tro-ver-see-ull"}'' crossèd deuce. Oh, and I see you're on my favorite level, Level 12: FRONT HALLWAY. Look out, it's the end boss! Vase full of peacock feathers!

''{The screen dims and sprite of a vase with three peacock feathers and mechanical arms slides from the right and then '[[Stinkoman 20X6]]' style explosions. The next slide appears: A man in a Thnikkaman costume, which consists of sloppy blue makeup and hair dye and an orange shirt with a piece of paper reading "tH" on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the terrible Thnikkaman costuuuuume!

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah, nice face, kid.

''{The next slide appears: A man with gray makeup and a strange white object over his head. He is wearing a gray sweater with a noticeable ring underneath and gray pants. He's holding a cigarette in his left hand and has his right arm around a woman who is mostly out of the frame. The camera's flash gives him the appearance of red eyes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only inaccuracy I can find with ''this'' picture is that Strong Sad appears to be hugging someone of the female persuasion. But everything else: spot on.

'''STRONG SAD:''' I have three ribs!

''{The next slide appears: A baby in a Homestar costume. The baby's arms are hidden inside the shirt.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, yes, child services? My name is called Strong Bad. I would like to report a severe case of infant abuse. I think they cut off his arms!

''{The next slide appears: A man with a Strong Bad mask, boxing gloves, red boots, a white shirt and black pants is sitting on a street bench.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, well if it isn't Gentleman Strong Bad waiting for the Good Posture Trolley! A-ding-ding, everyone!

''{The next slide appears: A young woman wearing a cap and bare midriff shirt that both have the logo for The Pizz on them. She's carrying a pizza box.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uhhhhhh... you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired you're hired.

''{The next slide appears: A young man in a Homsar costume. Like the real Homsar, he stands pigeon-toed.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The missing teen, dressed as some type of giant moron, was last seen wandering into the woods, repeating ''{imitating Homsar}'' "AaAaAaAa'm the make-money magnate!"

''{The next slide appears: A young man with a cap and red shirt. An uneven paper star is taped to his shirt.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Whoa, Strong Bad! When did you take that picture of me?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, that is not you. That looks nothing like you.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What are you talking about? That is me!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, this appears to be a picture of an unfortunate young man who fell down on a roughly star-shaped piece of paper with some Scotch tape on it.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You just described me!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, okay, you win, it's you. I took this picture of you.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's right! Oh! ''{singing}'' I am me-beee!

''{The next slide appears: A man in a Thnikkaman shirt and sunglasses.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, another Thnikka—

''{The next slide appears: A man dressed similarly to the last one getting a kiss on the cheek from a woman.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, another Thnikka—

''{Another man in a Thnikkaman costume appears, though this one is in a red shirt.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, another Thnikka—

''{Another man in a Thnikkaman costume appears. This one has light blue makeup on his face and a green belt.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, ''{singing}'' another terrible Thnikkaman costuuuuume!

'''THE THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah, give it up, kids.

''{The next slide appears. This one appears to be an ordinary man wearing a fake mustache. What appears to be a towel rack can be seen behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wait, you dressed up as one of the—

''{The slide changes to show a picture of the Videlectrix programmers, one of which has a similar mustache.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —Videlectrix guys?! Man, I thought that Crack Stuntman guy was gonna—

''{The slide changes back to the last image.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —have a hard time explaining his costume to the ladies. Though I get the feeling that wasn't much of an issue for you. Sittin' around in your bathroom, takin' pictures of yourself.

''{The next slide appears: A different picture of the last person. Then another appears: A girl sitting on a desk wearing a light blue "homsar" shirt exposing her midriff and matching skirt with white leggings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now ''this'' is what I'm talkin' about: Modestly Hot Homsar! And not one iota hotter! You can do all the sultry poses that sitting on your desk will allow. Still. Modestly. Hot.

''{The next slide appears: A woman with a Yello Dello costume.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Whoa, Strong Bad! When did you take that picture of Marzipan?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, you ''wish'' Marzipan had legs like that! Or... ''legs.''

''{The next slide appears: A person wears a disproportionate Strong Bad mask, white tank top, and boxing gloves, and holds a thin piece of cardboard with "Lappy 486" written on it. Also present is a man with a Homestar shirt, bad white makeup, and a hat that was obviously patched over to make it appear blue. "Homestar" is holding a can with a pink piece of paper attached, which is presumably supposed to be Melonade.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know, it's the little things that make these costumes so terrible. Can't be bothered to find the elusive ''blue baseball hat''?

''{The slide shifts to a close-up of "Homestar's" hat.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why not waste a whole roll of painter's tape?

''{The slide shifts back}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Not satisfied with just dressing up as Strong Bad? Why not confuse people by taping—

''{The slide shifts to a closeup of "Strong Bad's" "computer".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —a piece of paper to some cardboard and claiming it's a laptop computer?

''{The slide shifts back.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' "Oh, so you guys are dressed as GI Joe?"

''{The slide of the man in the Crack Stuntman outfit reappears.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{fraternity brother voice}'' "Yeah, baby, that's right! I'm dressed as GI Joe!" ''{female voice}'' "Let's go make out!" ''{fraternity brother voice}'' "Oh yeah! Cheat Commandos, rock rock—" ''{female voice}'' "You wanna make out or not?!"
''{fraternity brother voice}'' "Yeah, sorry."

''{A "Back" button appears.}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Iota|Iota]] is a Greek letter commonly used to mean "a small or generally insignificant amount".

===Trivia===
*The person dressed as Homsar is Wiki user [[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]].

===Remarks===
[[Image:PS Costume.png|thumb|100px|As shown on the [[Toons Menu]].]]
*The [[HR:menuswfs/menu costumes2007.swf|preview]] on the [[TV Time Toons Menu|Toons Menu]] shows an otherwise-unshown costume of [[The Poopsmith]].
*As with [[Fan Costumes '06]], this commentary on the fan costumes takes place in the basement.

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad refers to [[Marzipan]]'s [[Lack of Visible Body Parts#Marzipan's Legs|lack of visible legs]].
*Strong Bad [[Fourth Wall Breaks|breaks the fourth wall]] by mentioning Crack Stuntman as the voice of a character of a cartoon inside a cartoon.
*Strong Bad's implication that dressing a baby in a Homestar costume is infant abuse is very similar to Strong Bad's comments from [[More Fan Costumes]] and [[Fan Costumes '06]] indicating that dressing a dog as Homestar is animal cruelty.
*Strong Bad makes use of the "[[-èd]]" pronunciation.
*Strong Bad implies that Strong Sad [[smoking|smokes]] by saying that everything except for the woman is "spot on".

===Real World References===
*"Dale Jr." mentioned by Strong Bad in his first commentary refers to [[Wikipedia:NASCAR|NASCAR]] driver [[Wikipedia:Dale Earnhardt, Jr.|Dale Earnhardt, Jr.]]

==External links==
*[[HR:costumes2007.html|watch "Fan Costumes '07"]]
*[[HR:costumes2007.swf|view the Flash file for "Fan Costumes '07"]]
*[[Forum:12769|Forum thread re: Fan Costumes '07]]

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Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

2008-02-02T01:35:04Z

Gaeamil: /**/Evidence for telekinesis

{{featuredarticle}}
The [[The King of Town|King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I think it should be called "[[You don't have arms]]", which is a line from [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:No, I'm pretty sure it was TBC who were making the joke. It's a sort of dramatic irony- the audience knows that Marzipan has no arms, but for the moment the characters don't seem to. It wouldn't be funny if Strong Bad was referring to some invisible hands that were "really nice".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Like Kieferskunk said, the arms of the wheelchair (small w) are actually part of his mouth when he speaks. The arms of the Wheelchair (big w) are non-existent/invisible. The ''object'' has arms like any other wheelchair, but they're not the same as the arms of the ''character'' Wheelchair. And because the object's arms are part of the character's mouth, you gotta say that the character is a good example of an armless/invisible armed character. - [[User:Tbone762|Tbone762]] 13:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

*To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

*Homestar can manipulate more than two items telekenetically, which he could not do if he had invisible arms. I would second the significance of the lack of holes in Homestar's "red skirt", and I would also say that from watching Homestar (and the others) manipulate objects, it just looks more like they are levitating them than using invisible appendages. This no-armed whitey's powers of levitation may explain the hilarious blinking about of [[long pants]]: when upset so badly, his psychic powers blink him about. None of the references to the characters' hands or arms would be ironic or funny if we the audience were not supposed to believe that they had none. In the words of Strong Mad, "You don't have aaa-" [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up. --[[User:Zhaleskra|Zhaleskra]]

:This type of logic doesn't hold up. If you allow "His straps don't fall, so he must have arms", then you also have to admit that the following deductions are true: "He can carry stuff, so he must have arms" and "You can't see any arms, so he can't have arms". They can't all be true at the same time.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'm sorry you feel that way and I feel your analysis suffers from false causality. You set up a straw man only so you could knock it down. --[[User:Zhaleskra|Zhaleskra]]

:::If Marzipan has no arms how did her slap leave a handprint on Homestar? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:59, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's a cartoon and you probably shouldn't worry about it. [[User:70.44.146.95|70.44.146.95]] 02:57, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
:That's the most smartest thing I've heard all day. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I like VeggieTales! :) The Newgrounds Clock Crew are another flash cartoon series with characters who don't have arms but still pick stuff up. It's not an original concept at all. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 20:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I like to think of VeggieTales as "Homestar with morals" (which means I like it) since in addition to the lack of visible arms, neither of them talk down to audiences, and both shows go for sublte humor, obscure references, and breaking the fourth wall. I just realized quite a few VeggieTale videos also involve fan mail, but I don't know if anyone really writes to them. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Homestar definately just has hands, no arms. Anyone notice that almost none of Homestar's shirts have any sleeves for an "arm" to go through? - [[User: ThomasO|ThomasO]]

:I think that's part of the joke. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::Either that or his deodorant leaves stains the exact color of his s(h/k)irts. --[[User:Zhaleskra|Zhaleskra]]

== Flat Face Guy ==

Just for the records: Strong Bad could still have a nose, even if his face is flat (or flattened by the mask). We won't know if he really has a nose or not until he takes his mask off (or, in the words of one of my favourite comedians, "Mask? What mask?"). Anyway, most other characters don't have noses, so I'm happy with how it's currently phrased.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
:TBC have stated that they think the mask ''is'' his face. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
::[[some kinda robot|Example]]--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 03:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
::OK, this: [[UMFM Interview - 20 May 2003|"It’s not like he’s actually got a face under that mask, that’s basically his head."]] convinced me. But now I'm scared ;-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's fingers ==

While it was mentioned above that the "wrestling mask" seems to be Strong Bad's face, what about the fact that the "boxing gloves" are his hands? Does anybody else think there should be a section on this page for gags about Strong Bad having no fingers, or might that be better as a subsection of [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?]] It seems like these are closely related topics, although certainly the boxing gloves thing needs its own page, as it is a much more major phenomenon overall.

==Wagon Fulla Pancakes==

It doesn't count because it's more of a prop. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 22:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
:I replaced it in the article because [[Wagon Fulla Pancakes|it's treated as a character]]. Yep, it's strange. :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
::Has it ever been shown using anything? If not, it should be moved to the other gallery. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 15:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
:::No, I don't think it has. The wine glass was wedged between pancakes, and it never lifted the weight, just had the handle fall on it. It hasn't manipulated anything. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Well, it somehow beat Homestar... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
:::::In [[montage]], Wagon is seen carrying a briefcase, it hovers beside the wagon (closer to the screen). - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 02:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::You're absolutely right — good find. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Coincidentally, I noted it on the [http://hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Lack_of_Visible_Arms&diff=357831&oldid=357143 edit history] when I first put Wagon on the list. - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 15:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

== Coach Z's mouth ==

Doesn't Coach Z blow a whistle twice in A Jorb Well Done despite having no visible mouth? [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 19:18, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
:Yup. His cheeks even puff up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::So shouldn't it be added? [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 17:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== sketchy ==

I see the pic of an earlier sketbook drawing where homestar has arms and now this week's sketch has an arm reference. Should this appear on the artice? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

== Made from the best suff ==

What about Marshie? Does he qualify. I can't remember him manipulating anything and marshmallow don't have arms but since that wagon is here and the geddup noise, I thought I'd ask. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:Marshie waves a cane around in the email [[retirement]] when he says "I'm a song and dance man!". I'm thinking that he qualifies. {{User:NotWyoming/sig}} 02:56, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
::Good catch! You should add it to the article :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 03:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll get on that! {{User:NotWyoming/sig}} 03:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

== Slapping headbutt ==

Maybe it should be noten in the oddities that marzipan APPAERS to headbutt homestar, but heaves an hand-shaped mark.
:Already mentioned. Well, except the headbutting part. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Strong Bad With Telekinesis? ==

1: [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?]]

2: How could he have "dinged" people while dressed up as Homestar in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]???
{{unsigned|Timic83|11:29, 31 October 2006}}
:You're very right. I think I'll add it under oddities if someone hasn't already added it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 15:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

!- Have you ever noticed that in [[looking old]], the cards appear without Strong Bad having to move them?

== Thank You to whoever wrote this ==

Armless Invaders — Homestar is the titular "armless invader"

The titular part made me laugh

:It was Homestar Coder who [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Lack_of_Visible_Arms&diff=prev&oldid=177551 originally added] the ref, but it was The Mu who [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Lack_of_Visible_Arms&diff=prev&oldid=360407 introduced the word "titular"]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Images showing lack of arms ==

I think it would be helpful for the gallery in [[Lack of Visible Arms#Characters With No Visible Arms]] to have images which actually show the characters doing things that would normally require arms. If someone agrees, I'ma go get a few and put 'em in the gallery. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

:I say go for it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

::Alright, done. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

:::When can I expect a proper pic of Homestar's cousin to be up? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Undeniable proof ==

I talked with the Bros. Chaps IRL, and they said his arms were invisible. Stop saying they don't have arms and they can't do stuff.
:Hi anony. Can you provide undeniable proof of your conversation with TBC? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of [[ghosts]] reference in "Ears" section ==

Just a quick note to explain why I removed [[ghosts]] from the list of references to "invisible ears" in the "Other Apparently Invisible Body Parts" section: In this email, Strong Bad is wearing a mask that has fake ears. This is actually unremarkable in this case, because even if he had normally visible ears, the fake ears would cover them and render them invisible anyway. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Possible location of SB's nose ==

You don't suppose that the pointy part of the gray piece of Strong Bad's face is his nose, do you? I mean if you looked at that [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon|jail cartoon]], where he puts a mask over his face you can see where his nose would be. And in [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]], his nose is right where the pointy part of the gray piece would be.
Whaddya think?

== Storybook Characters ==

If The Prince of Town is a Debatable Character despite the fact he is simply the storybook version of the KOT, who is a Character With No Visible Arms, then Duckshirt Homestar and Storybook Marzipan are debatable as well. Should I add them or delete the POT? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:For a few months I've been leaning towards deleting the POT. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::Fine, then. He's gone. And Modestly Hot Homsar as well. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== Invisible Arm Proof ==
Homestar is clearly using an invisible arm when he drinks his Mountain Dew in [[DNA Evidence]]. What does this mean? O.O - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:It means TBC are sick of people thinking Homestar and others have telekinesis. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::[[In Search of the Yello Dello]] proved Marzipan has hands, [[Lappynapped!|Missing Lappy]] proved the KOT has fingers, and now this DNA toon proves Homestar has arms. The only major character left is Homsar, but if he says something about his hands we won't be able to take it seriously. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:::If Homestar has arms then why does he not have sleeves or shoulders? How can he manipulate more than 2 objects at one time? And why does he refer to the Homestarmy as "the no-armed forces" in E-mail [[more armies]]? [[Anonymous Contributor]]

How does [[Lappynapped!|Missing Lappy]] prove the KOT has fingers?, all he says is furious fingers! if he has telekinetic abilites he can manipulate a guitar pick.
:Well, [[Ever and More!]] proves he has hands. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
::Can't we just assume everyone has invisible hands as well as telekinesis? That's a good enough explanation for me. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

== Marzipan's Legs ==

Do they deserve their own section, or can it be assumed her dress is hiding them? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I think it deserves a section. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Does the section look done to you? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

First, with such a diverse array of missing body parts being covered here, the current title is insufficient. Who would look to a "lack of visible arms" article to find notes on toons mentioning where characters claim to have teeth? And then, I find the notion of "invisible teeth" highly suspect at that. Many people don't show their teeth, and cartoon characters often don't reveal teeth unless it's necessary to the story. Thus, when Strong Sad brushes his teeth, is it really at all notable? Might he indeed have teeth he just never smiles wide enough to reveal? I think the scope of the page must be revisited. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:Strong Bad does [[replacement|seem to think]] that Strong Sad doesn't have any teeth. Otherwise I agree with you. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 02:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::While you out-trivia'ed me, and that is totally kick-butt awesome, I do hold to my point. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:04, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm gonna delete the part about Marzipan's teeth, since there has never been anything that said she didn't have teeth. Should "Other Apparently Invisible Body Parts" be split into a separate article? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::::If we split them, we don't have to rename this page. Otherwise, we ''can'' move it to [[Apparently Invisible Body Parts]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
:That is a great idea. {{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}}
::It's great to split the articles or to move this one? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone please judge the job I did cleaning up Teeth by removing the examples that weren't contradicted (Marzipan's smile, Strong Bad's "I feel like I need to brush my teeth"). Also, we still haven't decided whether we should rename this article or move the "Other Apparently Visible Body Parts" section to its own page. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
:Any splitting or renaming would need to keep the "lack of visible" phrasing (as opposed to "invisible"), per the [[#Page Title|discussion]] where we arrived at the current page title. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Probably best to keep the conversation here, even though [[Lack of Visible Body Parts]] now exists. Anyway, regarding teeth, what references are we keeping? I think that Strong Bad saying he doesn't know if Strong Sad has any teeth would warrant inclusion of Strong Sad's lack of visible teeth based on that. I also think it's noteworthy to list Strong Bad's lack of visible teeth since he has fake teeth in [[Jibblies 2]]. Where do you put fake teeth? On top of real teeth. So, isn't that enough to pretty much say that Strong Bad has invisible teeth? (If I'm wrong and this has truly been "contradicted", please correct me.) However, I doubt the noteworthiness of listing Homestar Runner saying "Teeth?" when he DOES actually have visible teeth as evidenced in [[:Image:Homestarteeth.png|this image]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:I would like to keep times characters publically admitted they had no teeth and times those confessions were contradicted. That image you linked to was just a figment of Strong Bad's imagination, as I've already said at least twice. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:04, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::Also, [[death metal|Strong Bad definitely has teeth]], although it's currently hard to say if they're "invisible" or "always behind the red of his mask". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::The point I believe I'm trying to make, Homestar had to open his mouth ''really'' wide to show any teeth, so I believe Qermaq was wondering if everybody would have teeth if they opened their mouths really wide. So it's currently hard to say if their teeth are truly invisible or simply hidden. Do you understand? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Where should the sad kids go? ==

[[Image:Thesadkidsmalloween.png|150px]] This picture was offered as proof that The Sad Kids had no visible arms. I undid it because I believed those were shoulder bags, but I am willing to know what the others believe. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:The kid dressed up as The King of Town looks like the bag could actually rest on him like that due to his large stomach, but the girl...seems unlikely.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 06:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== The Poopsmith also doesn't seem to have visible arms ==

Otherwise you'd be able to see his shoulders above the edge of his gauntlets.
:No, the gloves are totally his arms. Like, entirely. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:32, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Contradictory Statement in Marzipan's Legs section ==
* The House That Gave Sucky Treats — A rip in Marzipan's Joey Ramone costume reveals that she has no legs.
Considering this is the second thing in a list of things that supposedly stand in oposition to the idea that Marzipan has no legs, it really doesn't belong. Therefore, I will remove this line from the list.[[User:65.103.59.207|65.103.59.207]] 14:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:The list provides instances where "Marzipan does not appear to have legs" ''as well as'' "a few other 'toons [that] claim otherwise". {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 14:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::If you remove that point, the section creates reactions like, "What if we lifted up Marzipan's skirt and found real legs?" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's Hair ==

# One Two, One Two — Strong Bad wears a shower cap.
# Email looking old — Strong Bad wears a towel on his head.
# Email web comics — The Strong Bad-like character from the GamerJox webcomic is drawn with hair.
# In Haircut Strong Bad says that he has no hair.

I don't like ''any'' of these 4 lines, myself, since the section is supposedly documenting times when Strong Bad acts as though he ''has'' hair. Any bald person could conceivably do the first two (though they may not normally), the third isn't really even Strong Bad, it's a different version (just like his Old Timey and 20X6 versions's having hair doesn't affect him), and the last is him explicitly saying he ''doesn't'' have hair. What do people think? Also, in theme park, he ''is'' shown with (a) hair, but it's not listed. (I know this post isn't the most eloquent, but I hope people understand what I'm sayin') [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 09:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I got rid of the last 3 and put back the note about Strong Bad's '''hairnet'''. (It's not a helmet!) The shower cap thing came from One Two's remarks. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::And i put them back because i think they're notable. Doing things to protect hair when you don't have any is notable, regardless of whether it's possible for a hairless person to do the same things. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, do you have a stance on the other things I mentioned? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 00:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== DNA Evidence commentary ==

From the DVD commentary for [[DNA Evidence]]:

<blockquote>
'''MATT:''' When Homestar picks up this glass and you actually see his— 
 
'''MIKE:''' Evidence that his arms are invisible. 
 
'''MIKE:''' Right. 
 
'''MATT:''' And not that he's telekinetic. 
 
'''MATT:''' Yeah. That he actually has arms, but they're invisible.</blockquote>

Should this be regarded as final, definitive proof for the invisible arms theory? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:I always thought "h-star and the others have telekinesis" was a terrible idea, to say the least, but there's bound to be at least one other who would like that theory to stay. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::"Evidence" that his arms are invisible. Not "proof", evidence. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I understand where there could still be some mystery involving telekinesis vs. a possible third invisible arm. See remarks for [[time capsule]] and [[the show]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Another thing to remember: creator commentaries are very good at revealing the intentions of the creators, but are not the absolute last word on the nature of the creators' work. For example, creator commentaries can reveal if TBC really meant to refer to Family Guy in [[do over]] (though unfortunately, they didn't reveal this). They cannot reveal every little element of their characters, universe etc., though. As an analogy: If Shakespeare came to life now and told me everything he knew about Hamlet: it would be very interesting and a well-respected opinion, but it would not be the last word: some scholars would disagree with elements of his analysis and would argue in favor of their own analyses. Likewise a commentary by TBC (who, sorry, guys, are actually much lesser artists than Shakespeare) cannot really be considered definitive about anything except their own intentions and methods. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::I get what you're saying; even though TBC may ''intend'' something to be some way, we still have to go by what happens in the cartoons. Kind of a case of the art becoming bigger than the artist. The commentary should still be mentioned somewhere in the article, but I don't know how to do so without making it come across as "Screw all y'all with different opinions." {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 13:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

::::::I disagree with this, at least to a certain extent. I can buy the fact that interpretations of a work can extend beyond its creators' intentions and still have significance. But those interpretations are severely crippled if the creator blatantly contradicts them. For example, a lot of people have claimed that ''The Lord of the Rings'' is an allegory for the nuclear bomb, industrialization, etc. But Tolkien has stoutly declared that he detests allegory and intended no such thing. In this case, some value may still be derived by comparing The Ring to the nuclear bomb, observing similarities, and learning lessons about human nature, but it would be wrong to say that this comparison is ''part of'' the work itself.

::::::Now, for Homestar Runner, his creators have allegedly claimed that he has invisible arms (unless they're joking; I haven't heard their inflection on the DVD). We must assume that TBC have largely been intending to animate him this way all along, and instances in which this seems to be impossible must be either direct jokes from TBC about the controversy, or else mere inconsistencies that understandably arise from churning out weekly cartoons.

::::::Rather than continue to assume that there's no way to know whether Homestar has invisible arms, uses telekinesis, or something else, I think we should assume that what the creators intended to animate is indeed the case, and perhaps keep a list somewhere of situations in which he acts in a way that seems to be impossible with invisible arms.

::::::I'm thoroughly enjoying this discussion, by the way :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I think we could handle it quite fine by adding something saying that TBC give credence to the invisible arms theory, and then explain the possible counterevidence (lack of sleeves, manipulating three objects at once etc.) It doesn't clearly come down in favor of the invisible arms theory, but still points out the strong possibility TBC mean it to be this way. (I say "strong possibility" because I don't feel TBC's words really make it clear this is definitely how they think of it. Like many remarks on their commentaries, it comes off as a casual musing rather than a pronouncement.) This also allows us to explain the difficulties with this theory. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:59, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Split? ==

I think this page is getting too long, and has too large a scope. I propose that we A) drop our grapes B) Create [[Coach Z's Lack of a Visible Face]], [[Strong Bad's Lack of a Visible Nose and Hair]], [[Marzipan's Lack of Visible legs]], [[Lack of Visible Ears]], and [[Other Apparently Invisible Body Parts]]. What do y'all think? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:While I agree on the splits, I don't think it should be split to so many articles. We'd be discussing merging before New Year's. I would propse splitting on character wise and then everything else to one article. Furthermore, I really don't like this new trend of giving articles novel names.

:In short, let's split, yes, but into less fragments and with shorter article names. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 19:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Earlier I proposed putting the entire [[Lack of Visible Arms#Other Apparently Invisible Body Parts]] section into its own article. Would you be okay with just that? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::[[User:Bad Bad Guy/Apparently Invisible Body Parts|Here's]] the format I came up with for the other article. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Similar to some of the concerns expressed when this page was being named, I have a problem with "Apparently Invisible" as part of the title of the split-off page. Even if it turns out that TBC may indeed intend for the ''arms'' of Homestar et al. to be invisible (see above thread), the problem arises with things like Marzipan's legs. It isn't a question of whether we can see them; they genuinely seem to not be there at all (dunno what ''is'' there, and, man, I don't ''wanna'' know). "Lack of (Other) Body Parts" would ''not'' be high on my list of alternatives, however. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Personally, I don't see the need to list missing bodyparts at all. ''Missing'' body parts are common practice in cartoons and not notable. ''Invisible'' body parts are notable.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Which of the body parts would you like to see removed? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Loafing: While for the most part I agree with you, it becomes notable when the characters or the creators specifically comment on the missing part(s). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The part I couldn't find any comments for is "Strong Bad's Hair". I think [[alternate universe]] contains extremely subtle comments about Strong Bad's nose and his ears, but I could be wrong. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually, you could count [[haircut]] as a comment about his hair, but it's already been decided that it does not belong on the article. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Dot com: True dat.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
The best new name I could think of for the other article is "Visibly Lacking Body Parts". So good or no good? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:Should I go turn it into a normal article now? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::No, I don't think we've quite hit on the right name yet. [[Stinkoman 20X6|Keep try]]! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm... "Visibly Lacking Body Parts" doesn't seem to flow that well to me. Is "Lack of Visible Body Parts" any better? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::I think that title is too broad, but I won't throw a fit if someone disagrees with me. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Should I go turn it into a real article with a rename template? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
DeFender, since you started this discussion, do you have any thoughts on my rewrite suggestion and its title? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== more pizzazz ==
''This conversation was moved to [[Talk:Lack of Visible Body Parts#more pizzazz]]''

== Debate ==

I don't think the Weelchair should be here. I mean he ''is'' a [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] [[character]]. {{User:Justin Master of Nature/sig}}
:Still, he does lack visible arms, and therefore belongs on this page. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

== Evidence for telekinesis ==

[[Strongest Man In The World]]. Look at Homestar's grapes, as compared to everyone else's. Everyone with visible arms has their grapes steadily in the air, but Homestar's float up and down regularly.

Also, should Senor be added into "oddities", as he's definitely not holding his grapes evenly?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 01:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Jibblies 2

2008-01-24T19:25:14Z

Gaeamil: /* Goofs */

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|ween07|Decemberween Short Shorts|Fan Costumes '07}}
[[Image:Jibblies 2 Rocoulm Pom Pom Strong Sad.png|thumb|"Come on in heeeeere."]]

The [[Horrible Painting]] wreaks havoc on the citizens of [[Free Country, USA]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Mad}}, [[Horrible Painting]], {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Pom Pom}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|The Poopsmith}}, {{film|Homsar}} (Easter egg), {{film|The Goblin}}

See '''[[Jibblies 2 Costumes]]''' for more information on what everyone was wearing.

'''Places:''' [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[The Stick]], [[Marzipan's House]], [[The Bar]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Coach Z's Locker Room]], [[The King of Town's Castle]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], Inside the [[Horrible Painting]]

'''Date:''' Monday, October 29, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 6:44

'''Page Title:''' Buy a bag, go home in a box!

==Transcript==
''{Strong Mad stands in front of a mirror labeled "Man of the Year" and "TIME", and places a Russian hat on his head while grunting contentedly. He becomes confused and turns away from the mirror.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' I FORGOT MY RUSKIE FLAG!

''{Foreboding music starts to play as Strong Mad walks to and opens the closet.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in heeeere....

'''STRONG MAD:''' AUGH! JIBBLIE JIBBLIE JIBBLIE JIBBLIE JIBBLIE JIBBLIE JIBBLIE!

''{Title appears: "Jibblies 2", "an incredibly scary halloween-type cartoon", "made by the same people who always make these cartoons", "okay, maybe it's not that scary"}''

''{Cut to The Stick.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}'' ''{flips a hat onto The Stick}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw, he looks adorable. Get a picture. Get a picture.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises; imitating the shutter click}'' ''{takes a picture with an imaginary camera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's a keeper.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{querying The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I don't know where Strong Mad is. You'd better go check on him.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{affirmative The Cheat noises}'' ''{walks away}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{calling out}'' Make sure he didn't get into our stash of razor blade candy apples again! ''{pause; to The Stick}'' I hate you.

''{Cut to The Brothers Strong's house.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{walking in}'' ''{casual The Cheat noises}''

''{Cut to Strong Mad standing with his eyes shut and twitching violently.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{screams, flails arms wildly}''

''{Strong Mad continues moaning and twitching. The Cheat stands in the doorway in shock and the Horrible Painting approaches him from behind.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in heeeeeeere....

''{The Cheat turns around and is bombarded with green circles emanating from the Horrible Painting. Cut to a statue shaking on the shelf while The Cheat continues screaming.}''

''{Cut to Marzipan playing a yellow guitar.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing off key (see [[#Trivia|below]]) with the notes}'' E... A... D... G.... ''{phone begins to ring}'' Homestar, could you get that?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{off-screen}'' No way!

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{annoyed}'' Homestar, I'm busy tuning my costume! ''{strums}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{off-screen}'' And ''I'm'' busy not answering the phone!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Humph. ''{Cut to answering machine with 666 waiting messages; foreboding music plays.}'' Oh, great, you made me miss it.

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{answering machine recording}'' Boo! This is Marzipan. Leave me a spooky message. ''{beep}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' ''{answering machine recording}'' Come on in heeeeeere.... ''{green circles emanate from the speaker}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Jibblie Jibblie Jibblie! ''{continues while her eyes appear swirled}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{simultaneously; walks on screen}'' Marzipan! I'm done not answering the phone! Do you still need me to answer the phone? Marzipan? What are you doing? Are you playing a song? What is that? Raspberry Beret? Wait, what's that? You say you want me to go out by myself and leave you here? Okay! If you say so! ''{walks away}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{continuing insulting The Stick, from earlier}'' ...and your stupid face! And your stupid face!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{walking on screen}'' Hey, Strong Bad! ''{to The Stick}'' Hey, The Cheat!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, if it isn't the Human Grate On My Nerves! Don't you have an estranged girlfriend to be annoying somewhere?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Naw, she's busy shimmying and shaking and talking about giblets or something.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Jibbilits? ''{foreboding music}'' Wait, Homestar, are you telling me that Marzipan has the jibblies?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, I think that's a bit of a personal question.

'''STRONG BAD:''' We gotta hurry! Strong Mad and The Cheat are in great...-ve... danger! ''{runs off}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{pause; to The Stick}'' I hate you, The Stick.

''{Cut to The Brothers Strong's house.}''

''{Homestar and Strong Bad peek in the doorway and gasp. Cut to The Cheat and Strong Mad, who both have the jibblies.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh no! We're snowed in! ''{cut back to Homestar and Strong Bad}'' I mean, we're too late! I know who's behind all this! ''{walks to and opens closet, revealing a stuffed dinosaur}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Poodonkis is behind all this?

'''STRONG BAD:''' No, no, no, not Strong Mad's stuffed ''Dromiceiomimus''. There's usually this really horrible painting in there. ''{cut to Horrible Painting}'' Of some kind of demon holding a torch. Why is he holding that torch?!

''{Cut back to Strong Bad and Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, you mean the jibblies painting.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{abrupt record scratch}'' Wait, you know about it?!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah! Brother called up Marzipan right before I ran into you.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Jibblies via phone line? It's worse than I thought!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Poodonkis must be stopped!

''{Cut to a table.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{deals a card}'' Oh, the Clutch of Glaives. ''{to Pom Pom}'' That means you should start sending some hot chicks over to your ''{pats his belly}'' dumpier friends. ''{flips another card}'' Ooh, and the Cult of Ray. That means you should ''{puts hands on hips}'' seriously stop hogging all the hot chicks.

'''POM POM:''' ''{accusatory bubbling noises}'' ''{points at Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Don't look at ''{pats his belly}'' me! The cards do not lie! ''{flips over a card with the demon from the Horrible Painting on it, which reads, "THE ROCOULM".}'' Weird. I've never seen this one before.

''{The card flashes and suddenly the Horrible Painting appears on the far wall.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in heeeeeere....

'''STRONG SAD:''' Jibblie jibblie jibblie... ''{continues while twitching his fingers}''

'''POM POM:''' ''{simultaneously}'' ''{jibblie-like bubbling noises accompanied by electrical sounds from his costume; continues}''

''{Cut to a silhouetted backdrop of outside Bubs' Concession Stand. Homestar and Strong Bad are seen running towards it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bubs!! Bubs!!

''{Cut to view of inside Bubs' Concession Stand looking outward}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' We're gonna need garlic, crosses, silver bullets, holy water, and VHS copies of Pumpkinshead 2 through 4! Bubs?

'''BUBS:''' ''{offscreen}'' Jibblie!

''{Cut to behind Bubs' Concession Stand.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Bubs?

'''BUBS:''' Jibblie!

''{Bubs is sitting on the ground, obviously jibblified.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' We're snowed in again!

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, Homestar, we're on our own.

'''BUBS:''' Jibblie!

'''STRONG BAD:''' All the good characters have already been jibblied.

'''BUBS:''' Ahh... jibblie.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What about Coach—

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{interrupts}'' ''All'' the good characters.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What we gonna do?

'''STRONG BAD:''' We gotta hide, man! That thing is unstoppable! We'll live underground and slowly evolve into mole people with gross eyes and claws. ''{forms his hands into claws and hisses}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sounds like a plan!

''{Cut to the showers in Coach Z's locker room.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Yes, when it's Hallerwern night and there's an insane paintin' running around, there's no safer place for a pretty young thing like me than in the shower. My good man, would ya please pass the Port Plus?

''{Cut to the Horrible Painting in the corner, wearing a shower cap}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in heeeeere.

''{Cut back to Coach Z}''

'''COACH Z:''' Jorbaly jorbaly jorbaly... ''{continues}''

''{Cut to the castle.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ding-dang-it, Poopsmith, I want me some of that giblet flu that's been going around. That mess sounds delicious.

''{Zoom in on the castle wall, a rock slides out of it, revealing the painting's face behind it}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Guess what, come on in heeeere.

''{Cuts back to the King of Town and the Poopsmith}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Oooh, giblet giblet... ''{continues}''

''{The Poopsmith's mouth quivers and he holds up sign that says, "Jibblie Jibblie". Cut to the couch in Strong Bad's basement where Strong Bad and Homestar peek their head up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now all the lame characters have been jibblied too.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Eh-hem.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Eh, sorry man. All but one.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thank you very much.

''{Close-up of Strong Bad behind the couch.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, time to start evolving into mole people. Now shut your eyes really tight ''{closes eyes}'' and try and heighten your other senses. ''{grunts and feels about for Homestar}'' Eh, Homestar?

''{Strong Bad opens his eyes and sees the Horrible Painting sitting where Homestar was moments ago.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come... on... in heeeere!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Not again! Jibblie Jibblie Jibblie... ''{continues while hurtling into the air, dancing across the ceiling, and finally landing behind the couch. The Painting lands on the couch just before Homestar enters, carrying a sandwich on a plate.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sorry, makin' a sandwich. What did you just say?

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in heeere.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Come on in there? Okay. ''{steps into painting}''

''{Cut to a dungeon-like cave with a torch hanging on the wall. Homestar steps into the cave, having been transformed into a stylized, differently-colored version of himself.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Whoa, nice style! Hello? I came on in here!

''{The Rocoulm is sitting in a corner and waves.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' How's it going, man?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Pretty good, creeptake. Is this your house?

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' It's not much, but it's hooome. I plan to redo the kitchen.

''{Shot of the kitchen, which has a sink and a urinal. The sink drips once.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That is literally so great. Listen, uh, how come you jibblized all my friends?

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' I just wanted someone to come on in heeere. I looove to entertaaain.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' What about that guy?

''{Shot of the Goblin dancing while the Goblin music plays. Cut back to Homestar and the Horrible Painting.}''

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' That guy has serious problems.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh. Well, if I let you entertain me, will you un-jibblify my pals?

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Yes, but you will have to stay here with me for all eternity.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, no sweat. I love eternity.

'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Then it is done. ''{says "Come on in heeeere" backwards}''

''{Cut back to Strong Bad's basement.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{flying into the air}'' Jibblie Jibblie Jibblie Jibblie Super Scope 6! ''{lands on the couch}'' Whoa, the Jibblies are gone! I'm saved!

''{The Cheat and Strong Mad walk in from the left.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' ME TOO.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{simultaneously}'' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Strong Mad, The Cheat, you're all right! Everything is back to normal.

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{Marzipan walks in from right}'' You guys, have you seen Homestar?

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{annoyed}'' What are you doing in my house?

''{Cut to Strong Mad's closet. The Horrible Painting is back inside, only now Homestar is sitting next to the demon. Both are holding cups of tea and there is a slice of cake on the ground.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' So... is it eternity yet? I think it is eternity already. Oops, it's five past eternity. You better let me go. Beep, beep, beep! Your eternity alarm is going off; it's probably time to send me home.

''{Fade to black; a card reading, "END of TOON" is tossed into view.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan is supposed to be making me some giblets or something...

''{Final stinger music plays as background color flashes white and black. Cut to the standard ending scene of the various characters wearing their costumes.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click on The Poopsmith's head during the King of Town scene to see a clip of Homsar and The Horrible Painting that will play right after it:
:'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' Come on in here?
:'''HOMSAR:''' I'm a touchy feely-holic! ''{Homsar's hat levitates and green circles emanate from inside it}''
:'''HORRIBLE PAINTING:''' ''{Sliding off the screen}'' Jibblie jibblie jibblie!

*At the end, click on Bubs:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey Bubs, nice "Schneider from ''One Day at a Time''" costume.
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' No way. He's Monroe from ''Too Close For Comfort''.
:'''BUBS:''' You're both ''way'' off! Marzipan, do you know who I am?
:'''MARZIPAN:''' I don't know.
:''{Some green slime falls from above and splashes on Marzipan. She frowns.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Daaa... I heard that.

*At the end, click on Strong Bad.
:'''COACH Z:''' Hey, Strong Bad! I thought you was gonna dress up as as the alien this year!
:'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{simultaneously with Coach Z's line "this year"}'' Xenomorph! Xenomorph!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I was gonna, but when I got to the Hammakers Slammakers, they were all sold out. I did get an awesome Shiatsu massage wine opener, though.

*At the end, click on Marzipan:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, the girlfriend formerly known as Marzipan, I think you missed a little bit when you were shaving. ''{Marzipan frowns}'' Right there, about the sideburns area.
:'''MARZIPAN:''' More like the former girlfriend known as Marzipan.
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sounds like a plan!

*At the end, click on Homestar:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey Pom Pom, now that I'm the strongest man... in the world... let me get that golbol.
:''{Pom Pom gets out the golbol and tosses it into the air. It spins downward and hits Homestar on the head and then flies offscreen.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ow!

*At the end, click on Strong Sad:
:'''STRONG SAD:''' So wait. Was there ever a ''Jibblies 1''?
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Nah, horror movies don't even need first movies anymore. This is the reboot of the reimagining of the reinvention of the original!
:'''STRONG SAD:''' "Original" and "horror movie"? Not these days.

*At the end, click on The King of Town:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' King of Town, I gotta hand it to ya: that is one great melted Don King outfit.
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ooh, I could go for a box of melted King Dons myself.

*At the end, click on The Poopsmith:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Good smells? Where The Poopsmith's going, he doesn't need good smells. ''{The Poopsmith adjusts his glasses}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*"{{p|l=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ruskie&defid=70720 Ruskie}}" is [[Wikipedia:Cold War|Cold War]]-era slang for a Russian person, most commonly used by Americans during the Cold War. It is a corruption of the Russian word "русский" (pronounced "rooski"), which means "Russian" in the Russian language.
*The cards on the loading and end screen, and during Pom Pom's and Strong Sad's scene, are modeled after the 22 [[Wikipedia:Major Arcana|major arcana]] cards of a [[Wikipedia:Tarot|tarot deck]]. As Strong Sad is doing, they are often used for fortune telling, and have various meanings depending on location and order.
*Most of the supplies Strong Bad asks Bubs for are traditional weapons against mythological creatures: garlic against vampires, silver bullets against werewolves, and holy water and crosses against demons.
*Strong Bad's mention of razor blade candy apples refers to the [[Snopes:horrors/mayhem/needles.asp|urban legend]] of unscrupulous people leaving dangerous items like needles and razor blades embedded in Halloween treats.
*In place of the Painting in Strong Mad's closet is a stuffed Dromiceiomimus. Dromiceiomimus was an ornithomimid dinosaur (commonly called "ostrich dinosaurs") from late Cretaceous Canada, closely related to Gallimimus. Unlike the stuffed toy Strong Mad has, Dromiceiomimus had no teeth.
*When Marzipan gets the message from the Horrible Painting it is message number 666, the [[Wikipedia:Number of the Beast|Number of the Beast]].

===Trivia===
*While tuning her guitar, Marzipan plays an A while singing E, D while singing A, G while singing D and B while singing G.
*The [[Hanging Objects#Marzipan's House|"Thank You" painting]] in Marzipan's house is dressed up in orange and black for Halloween.
*When the Horrible Painting demon un-jibblifies everyone, the [[Reversed Dialogue|backwards]] sound clip is merely his classic line "come on in here" reversed.
*Strong Sad's tarot cards have "Uh OH, TAROT!" written on the back of them.
*Originally, this toon did not contain the Easter eggs for The King of Town or The Poopsmith. They were added about a day after the toon's release.
*The [[Irregular Loading Screen|loading screen]] reads "the LOADING".

===Remarks===
*When Homestar Runner and The Goblin are inside the Horrible Painting, they appear in [[Wikipedia:CMYK color model|cyan, magenta, yellow, and black]] colors only.
*When Pom Pom gets the jibblies, the "mouth" of his Cacodemon costume pulses with electricity the same way the Cacodemon sprite in ''[[Wikipedia:Doom (video game)|Doom]]'' was animated when it used its electricity projectile attack.
*Marzipan's guitar only has five strings pictured. Also, she names the lowest four strings of a guitar, but plays and sings the pitches A, D, G, B (i.e. starts with the second lowest string).
*Marzipan walks toward her answering machine when she tries to answer the phone, but the phone is not on the same table as the answering machine.
*This is the first Halloween toon that does not take place in the [[Spooky Woods]] at any point.
*The tarot card reading "End of Toon" is numbered 27 in roman numerals - a standard tarot deck includes only Major Arcana cards numbered up to 21, also usually in roman numerals.
*In [[bottom 10]] and [[More Fan Costumes]], the jibblies only lasted a few seconds, but in this toon they last until the painting says "Come on in here" backwards.

===Goofs===
*When The Cheat goes into Strong Mad's room, a line can be seen on the wall to the left of the door.
*Strong Sad's mouth doesn't move while speaking after he has been jibblified.
*Clicking on Homsar at the end causes his costume name to disappear.
*When you click on any character at the end with an Easter egg, the King of Town's necklace and The Poopsmith's glasses shift to the left slightly and Strong Bad's and Marzipan's mouths change, then return to normal when the dialogue is over.
**The mouths do not change during Bubs', Strong Bad's or Strong Sad's easter eggs.

===Fixed Goofs===
*At the end, when everyone's costume is revealed, the name of former pro wrestler [[Wikipedia:Nikolai Volkoff|Nikolai Volkoff]] was misspelled. This has since been corrected.
*When the camera zoomed out to show Marzipan having the jibblies, the buttons weren't on the answering machine. This was fixed later.

===Fixed Glitches===
*When this toon was released, during the close up of Marzipan's Answering Machine, the "next" button was clickable, and doing so repeatedly caused the sound to go out of sync with the animation. This was fixed at the same time that the King of Town and Poopsmith Easter eggs were added.
*At the end of the toon, Homsar would still show scroll-over information while any other Easter eggs were in effect. This was also fixed when the King of Town and Poopsmith Easter eggs were added.

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad Smiling|smiles]] through most of the toon, except right before he is jibblied.
*The STRONG MAD RD sign on the closet first appeared in [[bottom 10]], though it was partially obscured by the border.
*Strong Bad [[Fourth Wall Breaks|breaks the fourth wall]] by mentioning the cartoon's title and exclaiming the painting got all the good and lame characters.
*When Marzipan has the Jibblies, Homestar says "What are you doing? Are you playing a song?" in almost exactly the same way as in [[Sensitive to Bees]].
*"We're snowed in!" was previously used on [[Main Page 16]].
*The name of the Horrible Painting's tarot card, 'The Rocoulm', was previously referenced in the [[Secret Pages XML Source#Weeklies XML File|weeklies.xml]] file. The link to the Horrible Painting in the weeklies.xml file (before that link was removed) was "rocoulm".
*Pom Pom giving Homestar the [[golbol]] at the end is a reference to [[Strongest Man in the World]].
*Coach Z asks Strong Bad why he wasn't the alien, as he appeared to be in the toon's [[Jibblies 2 Teaser|teaser trailer]].
*This cartoon contains a variation on [[couch mumbling]].
*Strong Mad's stuffed dromiceiomimus is another instance of [[dinosaurs]].
*The Poopsmith pulls his sign from [[Hammerspace]].
*This is the seventh straight Halloween toon where a Homsar Easter egg is accessed by clicking on or near the Poopsmith.
*Strong Bad's line about tainted Halloween candy (specifically, the razor blade candy apples) is a reference to Homestar mentioning lead candy in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], the 2003 Halloween toon.
*The Horrible Painting first gave Strong Bad the [[Jibblies]] in [[bottom 10]].

===Real-World References===
*The page title is taken from the tagline of the 1991 horror movie ''[[Wikipedia:Popcorn (1991 film)|Popcorn]]''.
*Strong Mad uses a [[Wikipedia:Person of the Year|''Time'' Magazine Man of the Year]] mirror almost identical to one seen in the film [[The Big Lebowski]].
*[[Poodonkis]] the [[Wikipedia:Dromiceiomimus|Dromiceiomimus]] stands in the same pose as the Dromiceiomimus from [[Wikipedia:Dinosaur Comics|Dinosaur Comics]].
* "[[Wikipedia:Raspberry Beret|Raspberry Beret]]" was a hit for Prince & The Revolution in 1985.
* ''[[Wikipedia:The Mole People|The Mole People]]'' was a 1956 science fiction film starring John Agar.
*''[[Wikipedia:One Day at a Time|One Day at a Time]]'' is a long-running American situation comedy that portrayed a divorced mother, played by Bonnie Franklin, her two teenage daughters, and their building superintendent, Dwayne Schneider, played by Pat Harrington Jr. It ran from 1975 to 1984 on [[Wikipedia:Columbia Broadcasting System|CBS]].
* ''[[Wikipedia:Too Close for Comfort (TV series)|Too Close For Comfort]]'' was a American situation comedy starring Ted Knight as a San Francisco cartoonist sharing a duplex. Jim J. Bullock played the character of Monroe. The show ran from 1980 to 1985 on [[Wikipedia:American Broadcasting Company|ABC]] and in syndication.
*The Bubs Easter egg contains references to two running gags from ''[[Wikipedia:You Can't Do That On Television|You Can't Do That On Television]]'': people getting slimed when they say "I don't know," and Barth the Chef (also played by Les Lye) saying "I ''heard'' that!" when someone made a wisecrack about the meat he puts in his hamburgers.
*''[[Wikipedia:The Cult of Ray|The Cult of Ray]]'' is a 1996 album by Frank Black.
*[[Wikipedia:Xenomorph (Alien)|Xenomorph]] is the technical name for the alien species in the [[Wikipedia:Alien (film series)|Alien]] movies.
*"The Clutch of [[Wikipedia:Glaive#Other uses|Glaives]]" card is a reference to the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Krull (film)|Krull]]''. In it, the hero possessed a weapon called "The Glaive" that looked identical to the picture on Strong Sad's tarot.
*Strong Bad's mention of "Hammaker's Slammakers" in the Easter eggs refers to [[Wikipedia:Hammacher Schlemmer|Hammacher Schlemmer]], a chain of stores that sells high-end luxury gifts.
*''[[Wikipedia:Super Scope 6|Super Scope 6]]'' is an [[Nintendo#Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES)|SNES]] game.
*Coach Z asking for the "Port Plus" is a reference to [http://www.pertplus.com/ Pert Plus], a shampoo/conditioner combination which is meant to supplant the need for separate bottles of shampoo and conditioner.
*"Pumpkinshead 2 through 4" refers to the ''[[Wikipedia:Pumpkinhead (film)|Pumpkinhead]]'' series of films.
*[[Wikipedia:Don King|Don King]] is a boxing promoter.
*[[Wikipedia:Ding Dong|King Don]] is the alternate brand name of the snack cake Ding Dongs sold in Canada.
*Homestar's line in The Poopsmith's Easter egg is a play on [[Wikipedia:Emmett Brown|Doc Brown]]'s final line in the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Back to the Future|Back to the Future]]'': "Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads."
*Coach Z's line about a [[Showering|shower]] being the safest place for a pretty young thing is a reference to many horror movies, such as ''[[Wikipedia:Psycho (1960 film)|Psycho]]'', that have young women attacked while taking a shower.
*The music throughout the toon and especially at the end is based on [[Wikipedia:Killer Instinct|Killer Instinct]], an early 1990s arcade game that was eventually remade for the [[Nintendo|Super NES]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:ween07.html|Watch "Jibblies 2"]]
*[[HR:ween07.swf|View the Flash file for "Jibblies 2"]]
*[[forum:12732|Forum thread re: "Jibblies 2"]]

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2008-01-24T00:46:26Z

Gaeamil: /**/Spokane and Bubs' Arms

== How exactly are they freed? ==
Sooo, does the KOT poop them out? Is it safe to assume that? - SCCakes
:considering the color of the gunk on strong bad at the end, i say no. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's one of those things best left to the viewer's imagination. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I'm fairly certain there's a reason the TBC and Strong BAd failed to explain what happened in detail....--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I just figured that he drank up the jello and they were left behind. I guessed that the 'sensation' that Strong Bad felt was the jello around him being sucked up. --{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::I originally thought that too, but upon reading other peoples' thoughts, the ... ingestion does seem likely. but, could even the KOT "eat" the poopsmith?? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Death!??!?! ==

Is this the end of Pom Pom?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? -Alex H.
:Well, if Homestar escaped the [[Horrible Painting]] in [[Jibblies 2]], I'm sure Pom Pom can escape the vast emptiness of space. - [[User:OkayGraphics|OkayGraphics]] 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Homestar also escaped the water cooler... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::And, in the most glaringly similar situation, Strong Mad came back from space in [[Marshmallow's Last Stand|MLS]]; and before the end of the 'toon even — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 15:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::You do recall the [[Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007|
recent interview]] where they were asked what character they would kill off, though, and they decided it might be Pom Pom. Not saying this is what they are doing, but if they do that's likely the source of the idea. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:58, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Nebulon first times ==

Thisis the first time we actually see Nebulon in a toon or sbemail, right? -Ein Poltergeist (not a dumptruck)
:If you don't count when he was [[PBTC]], then yes. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 14:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::i've added a remark for this. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:02, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::'Cept for his debut: [[Main Page 1]]. How's that count? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::well, it's still his first appearance in a cartoon/sbemail, so i don't think we should worry about his Main Page appearance. at least not with how i worded the remark. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 21:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mention where Red Angelo comes from ==

Nobody has put this in yet, but, the Red Angelo and the other kids names commented on come from the urban legend of kids being named Orangejello and Lemonjello.

http://www.snopes.com/racial/language/names.asp

:I volunteer in a NBICU and I am sorry to say that there are actually people who have named their children this. [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 18:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I know for a fact that I live about 10 miles away from Lemonjello and Orangejello. [[User:Kevin G. Dannerson|Kevin G. Dannerson]] 19:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is claimed as fact in the book Freakonomics, so I put it in with a reference. I think it's pretty clear as a reference to the event itself, though whether or not they actually got it from Freakonomics is uncertain. Keep in mind, though, it's a recent bestseller that sold three million copies, so it's a likely source. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

::This story has been around waaay longer than Freakonomics. I heard it when I was a kid in the 80's. The Freakonomics text is very unlikely to be the source; why would the Chaps brothers mention another very common urban legend (the headlights flashed at a gangster car) at the same time unless they were referring to common urban legends.

:::Good point. I entered that just before I read the Snopes story about headlights, which I'd never heard before. Makes more sense now; Freakonomics was probably passing it along without knowing whether it was true or not just like everyone else. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Is this the first time the King of Town was actually USEFUL? ==

In Strong Bad's perspective, at least.-Thnikkafan
:This statement is purely speculation. Some would agree, while some would say he has been useful before.--{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==New Animations==

two notable points.
1) as someone put somewhere in Fun Facts, bubs' arms are animated like coach z's were in [[Trogday 08]]. BUT!! they were already animated like this in [[nightlife]] and [[Happy Dethemberween]].
2) we've never, NEVER seen strong bad's mouth do what it's doing at the end of the email.
somebody should fit these into the remarks
--[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 15:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
: all i know, is that whoever wrote that fun fact failed to use english grammar rules or something. I read it 4 or 5 times and only have a guess as to what it means -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 17:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::i see what you mean. i didn't read it carefully the first time. well, since i now have time, i guess i'll just handle this bit myself. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
actually, i move that we no longer bother with mentioning the new animation style for bubs' arms, if not including this sbemail, than from now on. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. There's no point in mentioning it every time. --[[User:Foolster41|Foolster41]] 20:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Space station ==

At first I thought the space station in the space background was a copy of the one from [[Wikipedia:2001: A Space Odyssey (film)|2001: A Space Odyssey]]. Then I looked up some images I realized that the original was a double wheel and not really that similar. The only striking feature they share is the "centrifuge wheel" design, which I imagine is not unique. Is there a station somewhere in sci-fi that looks more similar to this one? Something from Star Trek, maybe? (I browsed around [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Main_Page Memory Alpha], but nothing jumped out at me. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's exactly the point, the centrifuge design isn't unique. The Brothers Chaps could have seen the idea anydangwhere. Also, didn't it appear in [[theme song]]? [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 13:55, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Flavors ==

If we don't have a running gag about flavors, we should. (If it already exists, I couldn't find it.) I thought about just "Color Flavors" but we also have water described as Malinko- and Strong Bad-flavored water (in [[rough copy]]). We have orange- and black-flavored from [[Malloween Commercial]], Bubs's sno-cone flavors, and the drinks in [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]]. Any name suggestions? Anyone is welcome to take this ball and run with it; I ain't so gung-ho about creating articles at the moment. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:36, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno, we could have an [[Unusual Flavors]] or a [[Flavor Variations]] section for things like the flavored water and the orange-and-black marshmallows, respectively, but I don't think normal flavors like grape, cherry, green apple, etc. deserve a mention outside of the articles about the food/drink.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::[[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] created [[Color flavored]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. Without reading this discussion I made [[Color flavored]]. Modestly Ok minds think very closely, right? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::::In my defense, I was talking about flavors, not-color flavors. Still, my bad. Sorry.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
== Highly Intellectual Property ==

Are there anymore instances of Strong Sad wearing the glasses he wears in this sbemail and [[rough copy]]. I'm wondering if they can be featured as a running gag.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:didn't he also wear those in [[business trip]]? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think so. Those had legs, or whatever you call the part of the glasses that are held up by the ears. They might be a variation though. I haven't seen the DVD, but could someone who has tell me if they're the same glasses that are featured in [[Accent]]?--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gel-Arshie ==

the jello marshie has a visible brain. worth mentioning? ---[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 20:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think a better place to bring this up would be [[Gel-arshie|here]].--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

== State-shaped gelatin blob on Strong Bad? ==

Does anyone else see that Strong Bad has a glob of gelatin on his pants toward the end of the e-mail in the shape of the state of Florida? Or am I crazy? Is this worth a mention?
:I don't think it's worth a mention. We eventually decided not to note the smiley face-shaped globs of whatsit adorning the Hornblower in [[KOT's VOQPCS!]]. The notability requires intent, you see. It's likely coincidence. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
::Definitely not a coincidence. It looks unmistakably like florida. It seems to me TBC are playing the hidden shapes game now, as this isn't the first time they've done this, and i bet we could find many more stated or whatnot in other places where blotchiness appear. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I totally agree. When I first saw it, I tried to click on it. If you google "florida jello", the first result is a picture of hot girls wrestling in jello from the university of florida... you think that could be it? [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 05:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::lol, i kept meaning to double check it and see if that was really florida - thus, my vote is Yes, theres a florida shaped "jello" blob
:::::Well, I double checked after reading this thread, and there's not enough resemblance. It's definitely not Florida.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::There's no doubt it looks as much like FL as you can expect with translucent dessert related substance. Though until I see more states popping up, I'm not going to assume that it was intentional, but the resemblance is unmistakable and undeniable. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Inside reference is probably wrong. ==

It's probably not the first time this has happened. Anyways, I don't think that the comic was named for Real Mutants #87 (Obscure, I'm sure). I think it was named so because of the fact that it was email 1'''87'''. I'm sorry, obscure comic fanboys, but it's not true. Try again next time. - [[User:Eruption257|Eruption257]]

==Skateboarding==
I know he said it was imaginary, but wouldn't Strong Bad look cool skateboarding?[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 02:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:You mean like [[looking old|with a helmet, knee and shoulder pads, and a tube of yogurt]] — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 11:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, I to am so on the go that I forgot that picture:and drink yogurt from a tube[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 12:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That's right, Hooray4Wormdingler95, you drink everything from a tube — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 14:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::This is getting VERY forumy. --{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 01:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Bubs Evolution==
Am I crazy, or is Bubs undergoing anatha evolution stage? He looks a little different... {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:No, they've just started doing his arms differently. ALso, it's spelt "another". [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 13:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::I know it's "another". Can't a guy pronounce something differently once in a while? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::Pronounce? yes. Spell? no thanks.

== Frog Eggs ==
<blockquote>
"Frog Eggs" refers to the science fiction novel ''[[Wikipedia:His Master's Voice (novel)|His Master's Voice]]'' by [[Wikipedia:Stanisław Lem|Stanisław Lem]], in which scientists try to decipher an alien message, but only manage to create a gelatin-like substance they call "Frog Eggs".
</blockquote>
The "Frog Eggs" reference seems to be too far-fetched for me. There's no real relation, apart from the two words. [[User:JudgeDeadd|JudgeDeadd]] 04:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think it makes sense, since we're talking gelatinous things (such as jell-o) here that TBC may have intended that one. [[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 11:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the definitive proof for the fact is Strong Sad (the geeky character) says "I don't even get that one", telling us that the reference is obscure. I think the reference provided is obscure enough to fit what Gron Sad says. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 11:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::That's a ridicolous kind of "proof". There's absolutely no proof that this is what was intended, apart from the name ("frog eggs" is a common phrase!), gelatinuosity (real frog eggs are truly gelatinous, aren't they?), and notice that Strong Bad is saying "How we doing here, frog eggs?" - thus implying he was referring to Homestar and Strong Sad, not the stuff in the pool.
:::::The fact here isn't just about Frog Eggs, it's about the science fiction novel "His Master's Voice" by Stanislaw Lem, which is something that would generally be within Strong Sad's geekines. We're talking about Jell-o here, and unless anyone can come up with another 'frog eggs' linkage, and moreover one that fits the "I don't even" comment, I say the fact stays. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 13:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::Removed. Stuff it if you wish--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 16:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Re-added. I think we should give this maybe more than 12 hours of discussion before we make a decision. —[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 16:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I doubt it's a reference. Your proof about even strong sad not getting it holds no water, as the point of making references is for people to get them and find them funny. If i was making a cartoon and I made a reference to some inside joke i have with my roommate, would that be funny to the rest of the world? no. Furthermore, SB was referring to SS and HR, not the jello. please burninate this fact. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Re-re-removed. A reference this flimsy and obsure should be assumed incorrect and moved to STUFF.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Seven thumbs down on this "fact". {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Mycroft, if you want it STUFFed, then STUFF it, but don't keep edit warring. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:02, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::We've been preferring talk page discussion to STUFF where possible lately, which is very much as it should be. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::TBC have made exceptionally obscure references before. In [[web comics]] this fact was STUFF'd and accepted. # "Web in Front" is a song by North Carolina-based indie rock band Archers of Loaf. Just because it's obscure doesn't mean it is any less true. &mdash[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:05, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::But that was where clicking on "web in front" produces a sign saying "go loaf". Here there's no such connection. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Frog Eyes means Jell-o is referenced, and characters themselves refer to its obscurity. I see that at least as much a connection as Web in Front and the word Loaf — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 17:08, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: I think that the connection between the two very plausible, since we are talking about a fairly famous science fiction novel, and there is a linkage between the word SB uses and the substance in that particular novel ''and'' in the pool. And I would use a counter example to DeFender's argument; Mystery Science Theater often pulled in the most obscure references. The point was not that everybody got it, but if only a few people did. In this case, "Frog Eggs" on the surface seems like a non-sequitur by Strong Bad, but if you know the novel, then you get the joke. It strikes me that TBC are the type of people that would love to put in that sort of multilayered reference in occasionally. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:Working on STUFF entry now--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a bit disappointed we've ended up once again at a vote rather than discussion, but I guess it's better than an edit war. :-S {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::: STUFFed. IMHO, highly questionable facts like this one should NOT be added to the article. They need to be here or in STUFF until accepted or rejected.--[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Could it be that Strong Bad was just insulting Strong Sad because Frog Eggs are fat and geletonous, and the same goes for Strong Sad (in Strong Bad's opinion) {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== Your Funeral ==

Homestar and Strong Bad's voices are distorted similarly to how Strong Bad's was after he was preserved in the funeral episode. That it's a reference is strengthened by Homestar's request to be preserved in red Jell-O.
:That's just a similar [[sound effect]]. I don't think there's a connection, really. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== It's Abort, Retry, Ignore, or Fail, when I state ==

That's supposed to be a reference to something on DOS/Command Prompt where you try to access a drive that's empty (like a floppy disk drive). --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 18:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:38, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
::He's talking about the Strong Badman comic Easter egg. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 18:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:::[[First Time Here?|Okay, this time I'm totally gonna get it. Seriously you guys.]] Okay, so I go to my old computer with Win ME on it, and I'm in command prompt right now. I go a:\ and this shows up:

Not ready reading drive A
Abort, Retry, Fail?

Now, I remember I used to have a really old computer that had Win 3.1 on it, and it said, Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail. [[wikipedia:Abort, Retry, Fail?|Here's the Wikipedia entry.]] --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 18:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I remember that. I used to run an old Windows 3.1 computer, and in DOS I would always have trouble with old disks. It used to always yell "Abort, Retry, or Fail?" at me. I've put it into the Fun Facts, under Real World References, since nobody's done that yet. -Zero.exe

== Voice Effect ==

Is it just me, or did their voices under the jello seem to have the same effect applied as Horrible Painting's voice? Has this effect ever been used besides that? It may be worth mentioning.
[[User:75.111.216.18|75.111.216.18]] 21:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Burninated
:yeah, it's not the jibblies effect, it's the zombies one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:32, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's it...

::If you used Audacity to make such a voice effect, what would be the name of that effect anyway?--[[User:66.82.9.104|66.82.9.104]] 05:35, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

==Strong Sad's belly's ball sound==
that's three references. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's right, as is mention on [[Sound Effects]]. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 03:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Talk and Mouth Move Goof ==

:''When Strong Sad said "any second now." his mouth wouldn't move. This was fixed later the next day.''

This is listed as a Fixed Goof, but I never saw this goof to begin with and I was super early in seeing this email. I usually notice something this obvious, and I just didn't see it. Can anyone confirm that this was really a goof? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I listed it as a goof before it was fixed, then someone put this up. It was clearly not moving. [[User:Unbalanced|Unbalanced]] 23:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:It would still be good to have a second witness. Will anyone come forward? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

== Oh Dang! ==

Strong Badman is saying this in the Easter Egg, and Coach Z says it when Peacey P orders breakfast in [[Rap Song]]. Are there any more instances of this, and could it be a running joke? [[User:75.69.70.69|75.69.70.69]] 00:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== Spokane and Bubs' Arms ==

First Spokane. Remember '"Cat," spoke Anne, "Wash!"' Inside reference?

And now for Bubs. His arms a really short in this. He strikes me here as more of a sock puppet than anything in this one. It's definitely a new art style for him.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:sloshy

2008-01-18T06:47:15Z

Gaeamil: /**/Lead Guitarist?

== Logo ==
Why is the sloshy logo upside-down? Is there a real band with such a logo? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Sure, there's a lot of post-modern/post-punk bands that will use upside down or reversed logos to go along with an unconventional image. Most famously is [[Wikipedia:Nine Inch Nails|Nine Inch Nails]]'s logo. KMFDM released an ep titled [[Wikipedia: MDFMK (single)|MDFMK]]. R.E.M.'s 1985 album [[Wikipedia: Fables of the Reconstruction|''Fables Of The Reconstruction'']] is written in a circle on the LP, so it could also be read ''Reconstruction Of The Fables''. This is a case where it's not referring to a specific logo, more of a general attitude. To me, sloshy sounds like equal parts [[Wikipedia: Weezer| Weezer]] and emo or shoegazer bands.{{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 19:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it just me or does this band sound EXACTLY like a loving caricature of the band [[Wikipedia: Pavement (Band)| Pavement]]?
- [[User:Mr_Vorhias|Mr_Vorhias]] (August 20th, 2007, 3:36 PM EST)
:It's not just you, I thought of Pavement when some sloshy came on. - [[User:Punching_Kittens|Punching Kittens]] (August 23, 2007, 8:23 AM EST)
:Not just you, no. They sound a lot like Pavement to me as well. [[User:Eric Mushroom Wilson|Eric Mushroom Wilson]] 17:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you input the upside down characters? Also, they're not showing up in my IE-like browser. Is there some kind of language pack that needs downloaded? (Personally, I don't think it needs to be upside down in the text. That's what the picture is there for. Also it's confusing for folks whose browsers it doesn't appear correctly in.)--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 20:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:For the upside down characters, you need to have a [[Wikipedia:Unicode|Unicode]] capably browser and font. Firefox and newer versions of IE are able to do it. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, as for flipping it, http://www.revfad.com/flip.html is a useful site. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Cool. Well, I still vote that it doesn't really need to be there, in case anyone cares about my opinion.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 20:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I lean toward agreeing. The given text doesn't really replicate the text of the band's logo that well, for one thing, and it is likely to be confusing for those with older browsers. I would suggest that "(typeset upside-down)" combined with the image would likely do the job just as well. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::But it looks so cool. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::I vote we keep that combination of both right-side-up and upside-down, and just put a little note next to the upside-down one saying that it's upside-down, for those who have browser issues. Hey, if Wikipedia gets to have foreign languages that won't display properly, why can't we have upside-down letters that don't display properly? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 21:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I originally put the flipped text on the page, but now I agree that it should be removed. It doesn't display properly in all browsers, and the logo can easily be seen in the image on the right.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How did you guys get the first letter to be lowercase? [[User:72.83.150.246|72.83.150.246]] 00:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well, the logo is all in lowercase. And Strong Bad types "sloshy" with a lowercase s. That's why we spell it that way. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I get that part, but I've got a wiki of my own and can't make articles with lowercase first letters. How'd you manage that?
:::We have a special extention installed in our version of MediaWiki which allows us to name pages with a lowercase letter. We've had it for a long time, mostly because of Strong Bad Email titles. I don't really know too much about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh. Alright. Thanks anyway. [[User:72.83.150.246|72.83.150.246]] 04:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::You need to set [[MW:Manual:$wgCapitalLinks|$wgCapitalLinks]] to false in [[MW:Manual:LocalSettings.php|LocalSettings.php]]. That option controls whether to automatically capitalise the first letter of the page title. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

=== Softly ===
Does the logo remind anyone else of the logo for Softly peanut butter?

([http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v165/mashuren/1190813486355.jpg Link.])

It has the sleek, all-lowercase font, the red "o", and the elongated tail on the "y". Probably not a reference, but I thought it was kind of a cool coincidence.
:Just the o. Though Softly ''does'' sorta sound like sloshy. But other logos have red o's too, such as [[Wikipedia:Mobil|Mobil's]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Name that Genre ==

Let's sort this out once and for all: what genre is sloshy? Personally, I'm 100% certain they're Alternative Rock. They have all the stereotypes of the genre: No lead guitarist, glasses, little mainstream success until the death of Hair Metal, short hair, no costumes, electric guitar solos, songs with weird titles that aren't about girls/Los Angeles/good times. The list goes on. Furthermore, the appearance of [[Limozeen: "but they're in space!"]] validates my theory: in the episode, they were knocked off the charts by an alternative rock band who had short hair and glasses. Then, Strong Bad throws the remote at Strong Sad "for you and your kind destroying metal!". sloshy, a band which Strong Sad is a fan of, must therefore also be alternative rock. Plus, sloshy can be compared to [[They Might Be Giants]], and we all know about the close relationship between the band and the website. I rest my case. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

:Well I guess I consider all the trappings you speak of the be more associated with Indie Rock than Alternative Rock. To me Alternative Rock (capital A, capital R) went mainstream around 92/93 and that tag came to mean something other than alternative rock (small a, small r). While the same thing may happen to the indie tag I think that the sort of underground, small club, pitchfork appearing, college radio band that sloshy is a caricature of is better called indie rock (the Pavement comparison is fitting I think). For that matter I would never think to call They Might Be Giants Alternative Rock, only dads in their 40's would make that mistake. They are clearly indie pop...clearly. The Alternative/Indie Rock tag is fine with me, as with any of these sub genres peoples connotations for a tag will greatly influence what bands they thing fit that tag (emo anyone?). -Goodness Of Fit
::Sloshy is totally alt. rock, definately. They sound exactly like "The Cure", if you ask me, and the cure is 100% alternative.

== Strong Sad image ==

What is the point of the Strong Sad image? It doesn't really add much to the article, and it makes the page look weird. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:05, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:I disagree, and add a <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> if you think so... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::Why do you disagree? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Because it makes the article look fuller. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
::::But it's just Strong Sad with a shirt on. It's like putting an image of Strong Bad wearing a Limozeen‎ shirt on the Limozeen‎ page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I like the Strong Sad image because it shows the logo in two different contexts, which each are colored a little differently. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:Plus we don't have an actual picture of the band or any of their albums. The next best thing is an image of their biggest fan. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

:I think an image of a sloshy t-shirt is a good thing to have on the aricle. It's extra stuff about the band that otherwise wouldn't get mentioned anywhere else other than [[Strong Sad Wearing A Shirt]], which isn't about the sloshy shirt so much as it is about Strong Sad wearing it. If there were an image somewhere of Strong Bad wearing a Limozeen shirt, that SHOULD be included on the Limozeen page.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::Unfortunately, Strong Bad has never worn a Limozeen shirt. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== Sloshy vs. sloshy, the plot thickens ==

So, in the [[Quote Of The Week]] for August 23, 2007, Sloshy is capitalized. Do we chalk it up as a goof, or does this affect our lower-case theory?--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 07:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

:Hmm... I think that the t-shirts and Strong Bad's typing outweigh the Quote of the Week, so I think our article should stay lowercase. Also I'd say it's more of an inconsistency than a goof. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::A similar difference was shown in [[senior prom]] and its following quote, in which we noted it as a [[senior prom#Remarks|remark]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think the T-shirts (which just feature the stylized wordmark) carry much if any weight, but Strong Bad's typing certainly does, considering he's such a stickler. At any rate, I amended the article to state that sloshy is ''usually'' written in all lowercase. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I actually think that Quote of The Week outweighs Strong Bad's typing, it's not like it's rare for him to make spelling errors and the like, and stylised logos are totally meaningless, I think that the correct title would have a capitol letter.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 06:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh contrè. The QotW isn't always correct. For example, when they did the [[Where the Crap Are We?]] quote, they put "'''Naw,''' it can't be heaven. There's not enough Twinkies," despite the fact Strong Bad ''clearly'' says "'''No'''". Did we change the transcript to reflect the erroneous QotW? No, we didn't. Furthermore, Strong Bad types "sloshy" with a lowercase "s" ''four times''. I hardly think Strong Bad made the same mistake four times in a row. Keep the title the way it is. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::Ok, it's sure now, [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]] had it with a capital. Mooooooving.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 09:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I think this move was done too hastily. Notice the name is lowercase on the [[HRStore:tshirts1.html|T-shirts]] page in the Store, and ''twice'' on the actual record cover in Limozeen vs. Sloshy. Survey says: move it back to the old title. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 09:21, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The record cover is stylised, that hardly counts. Anyway, it has been titled to be Sloshy two times by non-HSR universe sources, characters may like calling it by it's stylised logo, but it has been shown that TBC sees it as a capital at the start, by two definative sources.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 09:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm not talking about the stylized logos, I'm talking about where it says "Limozeen plays sloshy's" and "sloshy plays Limozeen's" at the bottom. And the Store is a non-universe source. Anyway, don't we usually care more about what goes on in the toons than what goes on outside? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 09:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm with Has Matt?, if you couldn't tell. The ONLY case of a capital "S" on sloshy's name in [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]] was the title; the record itself uses a neutral font and consistently capitalizes Limozeen, but decapitalizes sloshy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well, my opinion about how it's written on the record is that they were simply copying the style of the logo, maybe I should wait for another toon and see what it says.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 00:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Logo Background ==

[[Image:Sloshy logo.png|230px]]
[[Image:Sloshy.png|230px]]

The gray boxes in the background aren't part of the logo. They're just the background of Strong Bad's imagination when he's trying to prove they're a metal band. Every other time the logo is shown it's on a solid color (usually black) background.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 05:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
:Plus, the black background looks nicer/makes it easier to read. {{User:Punching_Kittens/sig}} 23:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
::I disagree, there are rarely ever cases where a modded screenshot is necessary, and this certainly isn't one of them. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
:::<s>Still, the black background looks fine. No need to bother changing it back.</s> Someone changed it back already. In that case, I thought the black background looked more attractive. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

::Well, it may not be necessary, but it doesn't really hurt anything. It does add a little bit of professionalism to have the irrelevant background edited out. I wouldn't have worried about it myself, but since [[User:Punching Kittens|Punching Kittens]] went through the trouble to make it and upload it, what's the harm in using it?--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 07:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, my friend made it and insisted that I put it up. I ''did'' have to endure the hardships of uploading and editing. My fingers still have a dull ache that sorely reminds me of my commitment to friends. Anyways, are we changing to the black background or keeping the gray bar background? {{User:Punching_Kittens/sig}} 08:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I am that friend that edited it, I did it because in every other place(save one, if I recall correctly) where the logo is seen, it is seen on a black background, so I figured it would be canon almost. Also the black background one is larger, which could be a small advantage--[[User:Scald my lake|Scald my lake]] 23:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

== Song list ==

To be pedantic, we don't know for certain that "we don't even really care about you" is the name of that song. It is conceivable that the actual name of the song is one of those listed on the album. There is plenty of precedent for this within their genre. The evidence in favor is that the title is 4 times longer than any other explicitly known title. But even if it were one of the songs listed on the album, it's not 100% clear which it would be. "ok fine" would be the best guess.
--[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 17:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
:Strong Bad does describe the song as "that song called 'We don't really even care about you'" in [[concert]]... anyways, the point is moot now with [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::actually, the word "moot" means "worthy of debate" rather then the opposite. but you're right, it is no longer worth discussing the title of that song. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 20:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually, "moot" means both "worthy of debate" and "not worth debating". [[User:68.103.176.24|68.103.176.24]] 22:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Cleanup ==

The song list, the album list and the discography are different from other band articles like [[Limozeen]]. I must confess, I don't actually know what it's supposed to look like. But I do know that it needs fixing ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:In comparison, here's [[Cool Tapes]]. They differ so much, it's hurts. Do we need to set up a standard? I think the Limozeen article looks great, and if possible, we need to apply that look to all other [[:Category:Bands|bands]] (like the members section). What say you? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:23, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think so, but it's already been partially done by the {{tl|Infobox Band}}. {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 21:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Sloshy members ==
[[Image:Sloshy in space.PNG|thumb]]

I have a theory, leading from this picture I believe the guy who is turned around talking to the bassist is the drummer, then the guy driving is the keyboardist. I think that because Strong Bad says that they strung a bunch of christmas lights on the bass drum which would mean that they would have to be able to see the drummer. So that leaves the Keyboardist and bassist, but if you rember Strong Bad was wondering if the Bassists sungalsses lenses fell out so he would have had to of seen him clearly. So that just leaves the key boardist, now I think that because if TBC are running the same gag as we are to never see his face then that would make him be the keyboardist. That's just my idea though.

I don't know if you guys understand what types of sounds instruments make, but there are obviously no keayboards in any of sloshy's music. Just because they say there isn't any lead guitarist doesn't mean there's no guitarist at all. I picture the general stage presece of the band as:

The guy with glasses is the bassist. The guy in the black shirt is the drummer. The guy in the flannel is the guitarist who is turned away from the audience. The vocal duties are really up in the air, unless we want to try and compare the song vocal tracks with the voices in the easter egg.

:You're forgetting however, that keyboard can make all types of sounds. {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 23:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

::sure, a keyboard ''can'' make all kinds of sounds, but having it set on guitar in every single song they play? I doubt it. that guy's definitely a rhythm guitarist. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 20:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Origins ==

I'm not a native speaker of English, but sloshy sound more brittish than american to me. Anyone thinks so?

:As far as I'm concerned, it's always been hard to make that call by ear. I thought I had [[Wikipedia:The Decemberists|The Decemberists]] pegged as British for sure after hearing a few songs, then I found out they were from Oregon. And that's just staying within the realm of alternative. American punk is rife with vocalists who very intentionally effect a [[Wikipedia:Cockney|cockney]] accent for some sort of perceived "cred". Then there are plenty of artists where one could make the opposite mistake if one didn't know better, like Led Zeppelin (who generally sound no more British than Jimi Hendrix or <s>Cream</s> to me) or [http://www.jameshuntermusic.com James Hunter] (who is a dead ringer for classic Motown). --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

:Oh, that's hilarious. I didn't even realize Cream was British too. It's like Johnny B said in [[Wikipedia:Misfits of Science|Misfits of Science]]: Rock and roll is the universal language. (Or something like that. I think. I haven't seen that show since I was an eight years old boy.) --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 14:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Band Box Picture ==

Should the picture contained in the infobox be the logo or the actual (animated) band? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== That Category Isn't Necessary ==

Could someone remove this page from Category:Bands? None of the other bands' talk pages are listed and I can't remove it myself for whatever reason. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:Fixed. Someone linked to it with <nowiki>[[Category:Bands]]</nowiki>, which puts the page in the category, rather than <nowiki>[[</nowiki>''':'''Category:Bands]], which makes a link to the category. (Images work the same way.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

== Lead Guitarist? ==

Strong Bad mentions that sloshy has no lead guitarist, but in "We Don't Even Really Care About You," I distinctly hear a guitar playing the main melody, rather loudly in relation to drums and bass. Doesn't that indicate a lead guitar? Or am I just totally confused about the setup of bands?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 06:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil

2008-01-16T23:10:14Z

Gaeamil: /* Crew */

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|+<big><big>'''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil'''</big></big>
|-
| align=center colspan=2 |
{| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="background:#f9f9f9;"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:sbasaf.png|125px|SBASAF logo]] Kick-awesome logo.
|}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center |
|-
| '''Fleet''' || 30
|-
| '''Flagship''' || ''[[The Proud Anselmo]]''
|-
| '''Headquarters''' || [[Strong Badia]]
|-
| '''Captain''' || [[Strong Bad|1st Ltnrl. Space Captainface]]
|}

The '''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil''' (also known as '''SBASAF''' ''pronounced "sbace-aff"'') is [[Strong Badia]]'s [[space program]]. It is a definitely-for-profit organization dedicated to the manned taping of aluminum foil to cardboard.

== Fleet ==

SBASAF has a 30-vessel fleet, constructed of cardboardium alloy. Its flagship is known as '''[[The Proud Anselmo]]'''. The mission of SBASAF is to accompany 15 Earth dollars on a round trip journey to the closest reaches of space. According to their vague understanding of the [[Wikipedia:Special relativity|theory of relativity]], the muscular crew will only age a few hours but the money will age to roughly $1 million (in the form of three gold bars).

== Crew ==
[[Image:Sbemail138.PNG|thumb|left|The Strap and Ltnrl. Captainface, battling mutant forces on the Satrianian front.]]
'''First Lieuteneral Space Captain[[Names Ending in -Face|face]]''' is the leader of the two person crew, played by [[Strong Bad]]. The fleet's only mechanic appears to be '''Harold "Strap" Coopmore''' (aka '''The Strap'''), played by [[The Cheat]]. The on ground flight engineer is '''Ted Averill''', who smokes a smooth and relaxing [[Smoking|cigarette]]. [[Strong Mad]] isn't part of the crew but aids in the adventures by supplying the shaking effects of launch. [[Homestar Runner]] unknowingly played a space "myoot-ant" from Satriani V. Also, SBASAF is currently in the process of training '''[[Coach Z|Cadet Z]]'''.

They spent most of their budget on a kick-awesome logo and an orientation filmstrip featuring as many hot 60's looking girls as possible. They used the experimental $15 on a Sound F/X CD, which is operated by The Strap.
{{clear}}

== Appearances ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[space program]]
*Email [[cliffhangers]]

[[Category:Companies]][[Category:Strong Badia|Administration of Some Aluminum Foil]]

The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil

2008-01-16T23:09:30Z

Gaeamil: /* Crew */

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|+<big><big>'''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil'''</big></big>
|-
| align=center colspan=2 |
{| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="background:#f9f9f9;"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:sbasaf.png|125px|SBASAF logo]] Kick-awesome logo.
|}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center |
|-
| '''Fleet''' || 30
|-
| '''Flagship''' || ''[[The Proud Anselmo]]''
|-
| '''Headquarters''' || [[Strong Badia]]
|-
| '''Captain''' || [[Strong Bad|1st Ltnrl. Space Captainface]]
|}

The '''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil''' (also known as '''SBASAF''' ''pronounced "sbace-aff"'') is [[Strong Badia]]'s [[space program]]. It is a definitely-for-profit organization dedicated to the manned taping of aluminum foil to cardboard.

== Fleet ==

SBASAF has a 30-vessel fleet, constructed of cardboardium alloy. Its flagship is known as '''[[The Proud Anselmo]]'''. The mission of SBASAF is to accompany 15 Earth dollars on a round trip journey to the closest reaches of space. According to their vague understanding of the [[Wikipedia:Special relativity|theory of relativity]], the muscular crew will only age a few hours but the money will age to roughly $1 million (in the form of three gold bars).

== Crew ==
[[Image:Sbemail138.PNG|thumb|left|The Strap and Ltnrl. Captainface, battling mutant forces on the Satrianian front.]]
'''First Lieuteneral Space Captain[[Names Ending in -Face|face]]''' is the leader of the two person crew, played by [[Strong Bad]]. The fleet's only mechanic appears to be '''Harold "Strap" Coopmore''' (aka '''The Strap'''), played by [[The Cheat]]. The on ground flight engineer is '''Ted Averill''', who smokes a smooth and relaxing [[Smoking|cigarette]]. [[Strong Mad]] isn't part of the crew but aids in the adventures by supplying the shaking effects of launch. [[Homestar Runner]] unknowingly played a space "myoot-ant" from Satriani V. Also, SBASAF is currently in the process of training '''[[Cadet Z|Coach Z]]'''.

They spent most of their budget on a kick-awesome logo and an orientation filmstrip featuring as many hot 60's looking girls as possible. They used the experimental $15 on a Sound F/X CD, which is operated by The Strap.
{{clear}}

== Appearances ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[space program]]
*Email [[cliffhangers]]

[[Category:Companies]][[Category:Strong Badia|Administration of Some Aluminum Foil]]

space program

2008-01-16T23:09:02Z

Gaeamil: /* Real-World References */ I've seen a LOT of them. Thre are myriads of hot 60's-looking girls there.

{{sbenav|138}}
[[Image:Sbemail138.PNG|thumb|"Nice work, The Strap!"]]

We learn of Strong Badia's space program, [[The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil|SBASAF]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Coach Z}} (Easter Egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]], [[The Classroom]] (Easter Egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, November 14, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:44

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Five}}

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Email is the sound that we make when a young girl cries...

<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: space program</div>
Dear Strongbad, 
Does Strongbadia have a space program? 
Doo doo crap, 
Ryan 
Raleigh, NC
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "Da-da-da-da-" before "Dear," "Good jokes" instead of "Doo doo crap," "Ryan Raleigh" as one name, and "NC" as "Not Cool."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Who ''doesn't'' have a space program these days? I mean, don't, like, the Italians have a space program? Ours is called SBASAF ''{pronounced "sbase-aff"}''. The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil. ''{clears screen}'' The only problem is, ...

''{Fade to white; Strong Bad continues in voiceover.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...we blew our whole budget on this kick-awesome logo...

''{As he says this, the SBASAF logo appears—a rocket's path tracing the second S, and ending up in position as the first A.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...and on our orientation filmstrip.

''{Cut to a filmstrip frame of the SBASAF logo, with "2005 Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil" at the bottom. The frame is initially out of focus, but becomes focused partway through the voiceover.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' SBASAF is a definitely-for-profit organization, dedicated to the manned taping of aluminum foil to cardboard. ''{beep sound}''

''{Another frame comes up - a stylized drawing of alien mountains in [[outer space]], with a [[The Moon|moon]] and a comet in the sky. A ten and five dollar note are visible, and a large arrow pointing beyond the mountains. The ten dollar bill has the text "TEN O' DEMS" along the top, the earth in the president's place and a circled "SB" for the seal. The five dollar bill is mostly obscured, but a sun and planet are visible on it.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' Our mission objective: to accompany 15 earth dollars on a round trip journey... ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: a drawing of a spaceship flying past a planet.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...to the closest reaches of space. ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: two astronauts, one lying on a bench with weights, the other saying "Gimme '''ONE''' more!!"}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' While the muscular crew will age only a few hours, the cargo, according to our... ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: a portrait of Albert Einstein, saying "Hiya!"}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...vague understanding of the theory of relativity, will have aged to an incredible... ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: three large gold bars in space, with the caption "THREE O' DEMS". The slide is initially above center, then is adjusted.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...one million dollars. And who is good enough at video games...

''{Another frame: a photo of a TV screen with a joystick in front of it. On the screen is a typical 2-D one-on-one fighting game with "FIGHT!!!" written on it. The combatants are a hamburger and a ghost. The ghost has only 1/3 health.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...to accept such a dangerous mission? Why, none other than beef bouillon-aire joyboy... ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: Strong Bad wearing a headband with small wings on it, with pants made of foil.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...Space Captainface. First Lieuteneral Captainface knows the true key to success is... 

''{Another frame: a girl smiling at the camera, with a polka-dot background.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...to have as many hot '60s-looking girls in your filmstrips as possible.

''{Another frame: two more girls against a blue background with a wavy stripe.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' Yeah, girls! All right! ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: The Cheat wearing a blue cap and [[Cool Shades|sunglasses]], with the caption Harold "Strap" Coopmore.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' Hey, look! It's onboard mechanic Harold "Strap" Coopmore! Looks like he could use a grilled cheese sandwich.

''{Another frame: a photo of a grilled cheese sandwich, with the caption Item 3b: "Grilled Cheese". Different music plays for a little bit, then, with a record-scratching noise, the previous music resumes and another frame is cued: two men with flat-top haircuts and headsets in front of a computer terminal. They're wearing horn-rimmed glasses and short-sleeved dress shirts; one has a pocket protector and several pens.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' Flat-tops and shirt sleeves are the order of the day at SBASAF mission control. Why, Flight Engineer Ted Averill! You aren't smoking a smooth relaxing cigarette at all! ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: the same scene, but the man on the left is smoking.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' That's better. And somebody get that man a highball. ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: rows of spaceships.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' The flagship of SBASAF's 30-vessel fleet is the Proud Anselmo.

''{Another frame: Strong Bad in the same outfit, atop a spaceship labeled "PROUD ANSELMO". There is a beam of golden light spotlighting Strong Bad.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' A wonder of modern SBASAF-ery, the Proud Anselmo was constructed entirely out of cardboardium alloy. When blastoff day finally arrives,

''{Another frame: the '60s girls in silhouette with a large question mark.}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...will you be among the hot '60s-looking girls to wish Strap and Space Captainface a safe voyage? And if not... ''{beep}''

''{Another frame: a tearful basset hound with the caption "How Come?"}''

'''VOICEOVER:''' ...how come?

''{Cut to Strong Badia. A close-up of Strong Bad wearing his Space Captainface costume in a cardboard box holding an Atari joystick. He and the box are trembling violently.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Argrgrgrgrgrgr! Got to... escape... Earth's... tenacity.... Fire the afterburners, Strap!

''{A wider shot shows that The Cheat is in a taller cardboard box duct-taped to Strong Bad's, and has a [[SeeDees|CD player]]. [[#Trivia|Various objects]] are duct-taped to the side of the box. We can now see Strong Mad's hand shaking the boxes.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{strained The Cheat noises}''

''{The Cheat presses play on the CD Player, which plays a sci-fi flyby sound effect. Cut back to Strong Bad. The box lifts into the air temporarily and lands on the ground.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh... we made it. ''{the boxes continue shaking}'' Ahem. ''Oh, we made it.'' ''{the boxes stop shaking}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' Awww...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{holding a Speak & Spell}'' According to my ca-cuh-lations, our precious cargo should have already multiplied to about 50 bucks!

''{Strong Mad walks away behind the fence and sits down, looking dejected.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{holding up a CD labeled "SOUND F/X (not sounds from that movie F/X)"} {The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, right. We spent the precious cargo on that sound effect CD. Well, let me hear "Body falling downstairs".

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{agreeable-sounding The Cheat noises}'' ''{presses button on CD player}''

''{The sound effect of what sounds like a body falling down a staircase plays. Strong Bad moves his head with each thump. Homestar Runner rushes up with a sweater stuck over his head.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You guys! You guys! I need help putting on this sweater!

'''STRONG BAD:''' A space myoot-ant from Satriani 5! Hit him with everything we got, Strap!

''{The Cheat pushes various buttons, and random laser sounds and explosions are played. After a pause, The Cheat throws the CD case at Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aah! I knew I should have asked the Italian space program. ''{hobbles off}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nice work, The Strap. Another successful mission for ''{music starts; singing}'' Space Captainface!

''{A piece of cardboard labeled SPACE CAPTAINFACE is lowered on a fishing hook above Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still singing}'' Pretender of the galaxies! He's all-the-ways having space cocktails with hot '60s-looking girls!

''{Cut to wide shot; we see that The Cheat is holding a fishing rod with the SPACE CAPTAINFACE logo hanging from it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{although the first few words are almost spoken, concludes singing an octave higher}'' Where are all the hot '60s-looking girls? ''{music stops}''

''{The King of Town enters from the left.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' I'm in my 60s!

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*At the end, click "S. CAPTAINFACE" on the boxflap to the side of Strong Bad to hear a log entry.
:''{Strong Bad is at the Lappy}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Captainface Log: The vinegar-baking soda drive on the Proud Anselmo has run out of fuel, stranding us in the Impellitteri Sector. There is shrapnel everywhere. It makes one wonder, does man truly ''{beep}''
:''{The slide of Item 3b: "Grilled Cheese" comes into frame from the bottom and stays a few seconds, accompanied by its music from the filmstrip.}''
*At the end, click the [[Tire]] to see Cadet Z at recruitment.
:''{The last two slides of the slideshow play again. Coach Z's arm enters frame from the bottom}''
:'''COACH Z:''' I was told I was gonna get to pee in a cup!
:''{Pull back to see Coach Z watching Strong Bad next to a projection screen}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' In due time, Cadet Z. In due time.
:'''COACH Z:''' Oh, doo time! Even better.
:''{Strong Bad looks slightly shocked}''
*At the end, click the CD to see the back cover
SOUND F/X are not a joke!
featuring such favorite hits as:
- baby in a wagon
- drippy towel
- single bird tweet
- the hush of winter
- baseball in repose
- body falling downstairs
- sonar ping
- creaking rustiness
- sonar pong
- rub sequence 00003 or 2
:On the side of the case is the text ''Sound F/X (not sounds from that movie F/X)''.

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*The beeps in the filmstrip are common when a presenter is given a set of slides and a tape - so the presenter knows when to change the slides. Also, some combined tape player/projector models advance automatically upon detecting the beep.
*The "vague understanding of the theory of relativity" is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Special relativity|Special relativity]] which is popularly held to be difficult to understand, and predicts that space travellers going near the speed of light will age more slowly.
*A [[Wikipedia:Sonar|Sonar]] ping is a method used to determine distance from one object to another, like two submarines. One will send out a low level "ping" that travels at a set speed through water, "bounces" off the other submarine, and is re-received by the first's sonar system. The amount of time this takes determines the distance.
**There is no Sonar "pong" - the reflection of the ping is called a return. The term "pong" is often incorrectly used due to confusion with the game [[Wikipedia:Ping Pong|Ping Pong]].
**You can hear an example of a Sonar ping near the end of [[dreamail]].
*SBASAF's "definitely-for-profit" status is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Non-profit organization|not-for-profit organizations]].
*Although it makes sense as constructed, Strong Bad's reference to "escap[ing]... Earth's... tenacity" appears to be a [[Wikipedia:Malapropism|malapropism]] for the phenomenon of [[Wikipedia:Escape velocity|escape velocity]].
*A [http://m-w.com/dictionary/highball highball] is an iced drink containing liquor (as whiskey) and water or a carbonated beverage and served in a tall glass. Highballs were also featured prominently in [[radio]].
*An [[Wikipedia:Alloy|alloy]] is a combination of two or more elements that includes at least two metals and has metallic properties.
*The phrase "smooth and relaxing cigarette", like most of the SBASAF slide show, comes directly from the '50s and '60s TV culture. [[Smoking#Cigarettes|Cigarettes]] were "in" during this period, so advertisers primarily targeted men in their 20s and 30s, often trying to make non-smokers seem uncool.
*Mixing vinegar and baking soda together causes a chemical reaction that, in some instances, can be powerful enough to propel small objects forward.
*An [[Wikipedia:afterburner|afterburner]] increases the power of a jet engine. It cannot be fitted to a rocket.

===Trivia===
*The various things and text adorning Strong Bad's spaceship are from left to right:
**[[Duct Tape]]
**A [[Van Buren]] bust
**An [[ABA Basketball]]
**Used paper towel rolls
**An [[Atari 2600]] joystick
**The [[Strong Badia|Strong Badian]] national flag/emblem
**A/C ductwork
**''"the proud anselmo"''
**''1ST LTNRL. S. CAPTAINFACE''
**Aluminum foil
**Upside down ''THIS WAYS''
**''"STRAP" COOPMORE''
**An empty milk carton
*Apparently several parts of the [http://static.flickr.com/32/63362276_e72bcf6cc6_o.png original email] were cut out. The alleged original version was:
<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: Space Program</div>
Dear Strongbad, 
Does Strongbadia have a space program? Certainly your terrestrial resources will be depleted at some point: What plans do you have for emergency migration to other worlds? 
Crapfully DooDooCrap, 
Ryan 
Raleigh, NC
</blockquote>
[[Image:Television Reflection.JPG|thumb|We see you!]]
*If you use a decompiler to get the original picture used on the video game scene, you can see the reflection in the screen, showing one of [[The Brothers Chaps]] taking the screenshot, with someone else in the background.
*This is the first time we learn of the King of Town's age, as he claims that he is in his 60s.
*"Lieuteneral" is another example of [[Portmanteaus]], being a combination of "Lieutenant" and "General".

===Remarks===
*As of this cartoon's release, only the [[Wikipedia:United States of America|USA]], [[Wikipedia:Russia|Russia]], and [[Wikipedia:China|China]] have [[Wikipedia:Human spaceflight|manned space programs]]. [[Wikipedia:Italy|Italy]] is a member of the [[Wikipedia:European Space Agency|European Space Agency]].
*Homestar may be having difficulty with his sweater's sleeves because he [[Lack of Visible Arms|has no visible arms]].
*In the old-fashioned video game shown on the TV, the player on the left is titled "Hamburger" even though it has a large layer of cheese in it which would technically make it a cheeseburger.
*The [[Tire]] wears a corded headset and is smoking a cigarette. Thus it appears to be the only acting member of Mission Control.
*"Track 03" is displayed on the CD player for the afterburner sound as well as for one of the laser sounds.
*Some beeps don't occur in the soundtrack accompanying the SBASAF filmstrip. Also, while there is a beep between the final two slides in the filmstrip, the beep is absent when the clip is replayed during one of the Easter eggs.
*Strong Bad allegedly purchased a spaceship with Homestar's credit card in [[credit card]].
*Bouillon-aire is a [[portmanteau]].

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad receives yet another email signed with the word [[Crapfully Yours|crap]].
*The soundtrack to the filmstrip is built around the theme that plays when you roll over Store and Downloads on [[Main Page 19]] (with much longer notes, and transposed from G to C).
*In [[Halloween Fairstival]], Coach Z attempted to use a drippy towel to scare the hiccups out of The Cheat.
*In the slide featuring Harold "Strap" Coopmore, [[The King of Town's Grill]] is visible in the background.
*"And somebody get that man a highball" is a reference to [[alcohol]].
* This is another appearance of [[Names ending in -face]].

===Real-World References===
*The S. CAPTAINFACE log is similar to the ones that occur at the beginning of many [[Wikipedia:Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]] episodes. The original Star Trek series also included philosophical musings on whether man belonged in space, which may be the sentiment interrupted by the grilled cheese sandwich slide.
**Star Trek is also likely the reason for the "Hot 60's-looking girls" everywhere. Never was there an unappealing woman on Star Trek.
* The narrator's comments about shirt-sleeves and flattops being the order of the day, and implying a cigarette is required, is a good description of late '60s early '70s [http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/images/pao/AS11/10075291.jpg Mission Control]. Many other aspects of SBASAF including its acronym title parallel [[Wikipedia:NASA|NASA]].
*[[Wikipedia:Albert Einstein|Albert Einstein]] was a twentieth century theoretical physicist, most famous for his [[Wikipedia:Theory of relativity|theory of relativity]]. This e-mail came out in 2005, which marked the 100th anniversary of Einstein's famous paper on Special Relativity.
*Harold "Strap" Coopmore is possibly a reference to U.S. Air Force General [[Wikipedia:Henry H. Arnold|Henry "Hap" Arnold]] who served on the committee that would become NASA.
*[[The Proud Anselmo]], Satriani 5 and the Impellitteri Sector all refer to famous rock musicians — [[Wikipedia:Phil Anselmo|Phil Anselmo]], [[Wikipedia:Joe Satriani|Joe Satriani]] and [http://www.rapture.net/impellitteri/ Chris Impellitteri], respectively. Also note Satriani's late 80's album, ''Surfing with the Alien''.
**The "Proud Anselmo" is also likely a reference to [http://www.space.com/news/space_news_100-1.html Rene Anselmo], the driven creator of the commercial satellite industry.
*Strong Bad's pronunciation of "mutant" is most likely a reference to the classic science-fiction film ''[[Wikipedia:This Island Earth|This Island Earth]]'' (featured in ''[[Wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie|Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie]]''), where an alien "mut-ant" figures in the climax.
*[[Wikipedia:F/X|F/X]] is a movie from 1986 starring [[Wikipedia:Bryan Brown|Bryan Brown]] and [[Wikipedia:Brian Dennehy|Brian Dennehy]]. The movie is about a special effects technician who is hired by a government agency to help stage the assassination of a well-known gangster.
*The joystick next to the TV is the standard [[Wikipedia:ColecoVision|ColecoVision]] joypad, known as the "doorknob" due to the control stick's distinctive and somewhat uncomfortable shape.
*Strong Bad's "Space Captainface" costume includes a [[Wikipedia:petasus|petasus]], the winged hat that is characteristically worn by the Greek god [[Wikipedia:Hermes|Hermes]].
**Hermes' Roman counterpart is [[Wikipedia:Mercury (mythology)|Mercury]], which was the name given to the [[Wikipedia:Project Mercury|first American manned space project]].
*Strong Bad checks his "ca-cuh-lations" on a [[Wikipedia:Speak & Spell (game)|Speak & Spell]]. This educational toy also formed part of the [[Grape-Nuts Robot]].
*Strong Bad's opening is a reference to the song [[Wikipedia:When Doves Cry|When Doves Cry]] by [[Wikipedia:Prince (artist)|Prince]].
*The "He's all-the-ways having space cocktails" lyric is possibly a reference to the [[The Beatles|Beatles]] song "What's the New Mary Jane", which includes the lyric "She having all the ways good contact."

===Fast Forward===
* Space Captainface and Strap make a reappearance in [[cliffhangers]].

== DVD Version ==
*An [[Space Program Alternate Take|alternate version]] of the preflight check is included as a separate Easter Egg.
*The DVD version features creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.
===Commentary Transcript===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]])

'''STRONG BAD:''' This email introduced my very own space progrum.

'''MIKE:''' And your other ego, Space Captainface.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yes, "other ego" is the new term. Alter-ego is out. It's all other ego from now on.

'''MIKE:''' So, Space Captainface was invented for awhile, right, Strong Bad? Before this email?

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{overlapping}'' You didn't— you didn't want to put it any cartoons.

'''MIKE:''' I kept squashing it.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I came up with it a long time ago, so funny— I even had the theme song!

'''MIKE:''' And you'd come up to board meetings and be like "Oh, let's do Space Captainface this week!" Like "No, Strong Bad! Not this week."

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, well, look at this fabulous filmstrip.

'''MIKE:''' I only agreed so I could do that logo. I like the logo.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why don't we go make a t-shirt with that logo on it, Mike? I want to wear one.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, well...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{overlapping}'' I'd... give it a rub.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, I don't wanna see that.

'''STRONG BAD:''' No! ''{pause}'' "Gimme ONE more!" Lookit those astronauts. You got— They make you do that, you know in training. They make you lift weights in like—

'''MIKE:''' In your suit.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, they make you go down to like Bally's or, the like, L.A. Fitness—

'''MIKE:''' The Crunch.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, to the gym and you have to wear it.

'''MIKE:''' Tell me about this, uh, filmstrip. Did you have anything to do with this?

'''STRONG BAD:''' I gonna tell you about Ghost vs. Hamburger.

'''MIKE:''' It's a good fighting game.

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a great fighter. ''{pause}'' That game is hard.

'''MIKE:''' Are there a lot of combos in that game?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I got a 4, 4 x combo one time. There's like pizza-flavored combos—

'''MIKE:''' You're missing hot girls, Strong Bad.

'''STRONG BAD:''' They look good. ''{slide with Strap comes up}'' Oh!

'''MIKE:''' That's, that's The Cheat.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{laughs}'' Sorry, I didn't notice. ''{slide with "Grilled Cheese" comes up}'' Oh, hello.

'''MIKE:''' Man, that looks pretty good.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Maybe I can check you out later on, [[-èd|grillèd]] cheese.

'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' I always love it when we get to, uh, make food for an Easter egg or part of an email.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It's true.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Whoa! Switched, switched it up.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, that was on accident, actually.

'''MIKE:''' Back in the Si— Really? Forgot which character?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Kinda forgot who I was.

'''MIKE:''' Uh, the— Seems like in the Sixties, just drinkin' and smokin' on the job—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Absolutely.

'''MIKE:''' —was always okay, but especially in the field of space, space travel.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{overlapping}'' Yeah, 'cause, you know, you were putting a man on the moon.

'''MIKE:''' It's high stress.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' If you can't relax and have a smoke and cocktail... ''{the filmstrip ends}'' Awww, that poor dog. Poor dog.

'''MIKE:''' ''{underneath}'' One word? 
'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I think it's name is Poudog.

'''MIKE:''' P-O-U-

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's right!

'''MIKE:''' D-O-G?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Poudog.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Poudog.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oo! I love these sound effects CDs.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we had a few of them.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' My brother Matt and I growing up.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Me, me an— Me and my buddy used to make a movie called "A Lunar Space".

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, and did you use all the space sound effects?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' In mom and dad's basement.

'''MIKE:''' They definitely added a level, uh, level of legitimacy to the movies we were making.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yes, yes.

'''MIKE:''' When weren't just making the sound effects ourselves.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{carefully}'' Authenticity.

'''MIKE:''' Crickets, maybe. ''{Homestar agrees}'' Car, like traffic noises.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah, that's good, too.

'''MIKE:''' Bodies falling down stairs.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ouch!

'''MIKE:''' Was that a real one?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' From a sound effects CD?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's from a CD.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Really?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yep. Ah! I remember that day. I got caught inside this sweater. And I thought I was a space mut-tant.

'''MIKE:''' Was that your sweater? Why were you— [[Lack of Visible Arms|why does your sweater have arms]]? For, you know, two arms, two arms on it...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Shut up. Shut up and I'm out.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, doodly dee. Look, this is the best theme song. It's all the ways have space cocktails with hot babe-lien girls.

'''MIKE:''' Hot '60s-looking girls. Oh, I think it was originally hot—

'''STRONG BAD:''' I think it was. Then we used that for [[best thing|Limozeen]]. Limozeen. Hmm. Get out!

===Fun Facts===
* [[wikipedia:Bally Total Fitness|Bally's]] and [[wikipedia:LA FItness|LA Fitness]] are fitness center chains.
* [[wikipedia:Combos|Combos]] is a pretzel-like snack food that comes in various flavors, including pizza.
==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|138|5939}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Emails With DVD Commentary]]

The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil

2008-01-16T23:03:07Z

Gaeamil: /* Crew */

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|+<big><big>'''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil'''</big></big>
|-
| align=center colspan=2 |
{| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="background:#f9f9f9;"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:sbasaf.png|125px|SBASAF logo]] Kick-awesome logo.
|}
|-
| colspan=2 align=center |
|-
| '''Fleet''' || 30
|-
| '''Flagship''' || ''[[The Proud Anselmo]]''
|-
| '''Headquarters''' || [[Strong Badia]]
|-
| '''Captain''' || [[Strong Bad|1st Ltnrl. Space Captainface]]
|}

The '''Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil''' (also known as '''SBASAF''' ''pronounced "sbace-aff"'') is [[Strong Badia]]'s [[space program]]. It is a definitely-for-profit organization dedicated to the manned taping of aluminum foil to cardboard.

== Fleet ==

SBASAF has a 30-vessel fleet, constructed of cardboardium alloy. Its flagship is known as '''[[The Proud Anselmo]]'''. The mission of SBASAF is to accompany 15 Earth dollars on a round trip journey to the closest reaches of space. According to their vague understanding of the [[Wikipedia:Special relativity|theory of relativity]], the muscular crew will only age a few hours but the money will age to roughly $1 million (in the form of three gold bars).

== Crew ==
[[Image:Sbemail138.PNG|thumb|left|The Strap and Ltnrl. Captainface, battling mutant forces on the Satrianian front.]]
'''First Lieuteneral Space Captain[[Names Ending in -Face|face]]''' is the leader of the two person crew, played by [[Strong Bad]]. The fleet's only mechanic appears to be '''Harold "Strap" Coopmore''' (aka '''The Strap'''), played by [[The Cheat]]. The on ground flight engineer is '''Ted Averill''', who smokes a smooth and relaxing [[Smoking|cigarette]]. [[Strong Mad]] isn't part of the crew but aids in the adventures by supplying the shaking effects of launch. [[Homestar Runner]] unknowingly played a space "myoot-ant" from Satriani V. Also, SBASAF is currently in the process of training '''[[Cadet Z|Coach Z]]'''.

They spent most of their budget on a kick-awesome logo and an orientation filmstrip featuring as many hot 60's looking girls as possible. They used the experimental $15 on a Sound F/X CD, which is operated by The Strap.
{{clear}}

== Appearances ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[space program]]
*Email [[cliffhangers]]

[[Category:Companies]][[Category:Strong Badia|Administration of Some Aluminum Foil]]

Talk:Wormdingler

2008-01-16T22:55:26Z

Gaeamil: /**/Keep this, at least for now

{{ttbd}}
== Needed? ==
C'mon now, is this really needed? It isn't really a major part in [[dragon]] or [[Trogday 08]]. I think it still should be a redirect. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 22:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, if it was unneeded, why clean it up, then? Why not just put it back as a redirect in the first place? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::The information should not be deleted. It's got a nice little image and everything. Perhaps merge all the dragons from [[dragon]] into a [[Dragons]] page ([[Trogdor]] and [[The S is for Sucks]] would be listed, but would keep their own articles). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I have to agree. A [[Dragon]] or [[Other Trogdors]] page might work. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 22:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::::A page called [[Dragons]] makes a lot of sense. Then this can redirect there. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I think wormlinger may be the next homsar no need to merge the pages {{unsigned|Physicsguymonsterman|22:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)}}

Keep the page! Wormlinger will be the next xesome character. {{unsigned|98.16.161.46|23:01, 14 January 2008 (UTC)}}
:Those last 2 comments need reasons, IMHO. I agree with the preceeding posts and think we should '''merge''' with Dragons. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::I vote '''merginate'''. {{User:Compgrl323/sig}} 23:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::: And now for a chant. Merge! Merge! Merge! Merge! Merge! Merge! Merge! Merge! {{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 01:22, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I think we should '''keep''', actually. We have pages for things more minor than this. (The S is for Sucks itself was pretty-dang-minor before the most recent cartoon.) And it's now been referred to by name. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:47, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

agree with DAGRON. '''keep'''. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 02:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Notability guidelines say H*R specific items and characters only need one mention. Common practice gives further sanction to named characters. Keep [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 02:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I say '''keep''' to. heck there's a page for karrot kazoo hill. If tbc ever does more with Troggy wormlinger will show his face as he will with coach z as coach z's bride {{unsigned|Physicsguymonsterman|12:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)}}

:I think it's safe to say Trogdor will continue to appear. As for "Wormdingler", though, while I can easily see it reappearing, I kinda doubt it'll become anything especially important. It's not like it had a prominent role in Trogday 08, either... just used in an Easter egg to make a joke. That said, I don't have any opinion on the merit of this page. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

: I disagree with Psychics, sure Karrot and Kazzo Hill has a page, but it can't really be merged effectively, whereas there's no reason why WormDingler cannot be put into the Dragons page, with its full description. As is, the Dragons page looks very bland and empty. If it becomes a more major character later, it'll be deserving of its own page, but for now it just...isn't.

::The S is for Sucks dragon's notability isn't directly relevant here. It had another appearance between [[Trogday 08]] and [[dragon]], and now it has an entire song devoted to it. Even though Coach Z gave his drawing a name, I don't think it rises to the level of character or even pseudocharacter. It's just a drawing. I think displaying all the drawings on one page makes the most sense, at least until Wormdingler is featured in a more substantial way. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Hmm... Given that there're many more pages of dubious merit than this one that're perfectly all right, I can only actually see one problem with *this* page. Namely, it tries to take a simple sketch and make it into a character, which in context, it isn't. The page itself is all right, but it's basically miscatagorized, and I don't think "Wormdingler" deserves to be in any "cast lists". -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I say '''Keepinate''' it. I'll do a little bit of cleaning up the wording on the page. Considering some of the other minor articles here I see no reason to delete this one. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 01:01, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

UMMMMMMMMMM......... '''Burninate this freaking waste of dump,''' '''re-name "dragons to trogdor attemps''' and '''maybe add a little bit of info about wormdingler to the "trogdor attemps" page.''' mine is a black heart.

:Here's what I think: if [[Monte Negro]] can have his own article, so can Wormdingler. '''KEEP'''. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Pseudocharacter ==
I went ahead and deleted from the cast list of the [[dragon|two]] [[Trogday 08|pages]] it was on. Treating it as a "cast member" would be akin to putting Marzipan's "Thank You" picture in the cast list whenever it appears. It's still linked in both articles, but isn't treated as a character. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:wrong. in 08, it's used as a [[pseudocharacter]] and therefore should be linked. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::How? Because Coach Z talks to it and gives it a name? Yer logic is flawed. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::"Pseudocharacters are items in the Homestar Runner universe that at some time or another are treated (and in some cases behave) as real characters." Coach Z treats it as a character and even wants to marry it. End of story. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::::It's not actually treated as a real character, nor does it "interact" as one. It's a freaking painting that Coach Z talks to. Should the "Black Light Painting of a Unicorn" be listed in the cast list of [[secret identity]]? After all, Strong Bad comments on it, and treats it like it's important... Incidentally, you've been ridiculously bossy lately, undoing a lot of edits (both from me and others) just because *you* think differently. I hate generic members of any given community that act like they're admins/mods. Whatever. Have it your way. You win. I'm tired of fighting with you over stupid minor edits. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Chill, man. In any case, I would not oppose Wormdingler being listed as a pseudocharacter instead of an actual character. I can't remember if pseudocharacters are listed at the top when the cast of a toon is listed. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 03:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::YK: discussions aren't settled just because one side wears down the other until nobody cares anymore. They're decided on the merits. Furthermore, sysops have no inherent authority over matters of content (in practice, sysops earned their positions by showing good judgment over a long period of time with regard to content issues, so their opinions should be treated with due respect, but they are still operating in a ''user'' capacity in these discussions). DeFender: please stop saying "end of story" like there's no gray area here. And both of you stop edit warring.
::::::Okay, that out of the way, I still lean toward this picture being just a picture, not a pseudocharacter. In other words, Coach Z is so pathetic that he talks to pictures. He doesn't actually think it's alive in sense that would raise it to character status. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd argue that it is now a pseudocharacter, as Coach Z was interacting with it as if it were a character, and in a particular deep way, I might add. Strong Bad talking to a unicorn poster isn't quite the same in quality. In fact, I'd argue that there's far more relevant interaction there than with The S Is For Sucks Dragon in the toon. However, we need to wait dor consensus on this before editing the page. And to both of you: my rule of thumb is if a good faith edit is removed, take it to talk, do not simply re-add the edit. That's what we call an edit war, and only ill will come of it. If someone reverts, discuss. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::YK, i apologize, you are right, i have been acting a bit unilaterally recently, and i'm sorry. Dot Com, i know it's not the first time, but in this case it was actually that i didn't realize he hadn't been satisfied when i reverted. You are right that saying "end of story" is a bit, well, strong, and i take that back. I still think that it IS a pseudocharacter, but that's no excuse for the way i went about it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::My apologies, too. I didn't intend to start trouble or anything. I was being '''bold''', as is encouraged here, and well... guess it was all just a misunderstanding. Anyhow, now that I'm thinking more clearly... I'm still not entirely sure Wormdingler can be elevated to "pseudocharacter" status based on the fact that Coach Z talked to it. Keep in mind in [[diorama]], he appeared to be "talking" to "Ronmartin Realdude" on a "cellphone"... I'm not really sure this is the same thing, but in hindsight, the Wormdingler Easter egg reminds me a lot of that one. -{{User:YK/sig}} 04:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Regarding the topic at hand, I'm on the fence. Coach Z didn't just say, "I want you to be my bride" .. he also bought the thing a cupcake! So, on one hand it seems that he's saying, "I sure wish you were alive because I'd marry you if you were" .. but on the other hand, he bought the thing a cupcake! A cupcake! =] '''Leaning toward: treat as a pseudo-character.''' {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Would STUFF be the proper course of action? [[User:EASports|EASports]] 12:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::The argument that it isn't a pseudocharacter based solely on Coach Z's pathetic state would be akin to removing the Benedetto's from the list based on Homestar's stupidity. And to say that only being treated like a character once disavows it's pseudocharacteristics would eliminate Cardboard Homestar, Credenza, Doreauxgard, The Geddup Noise, Homestar Jr, The Painting of a Guy with a Big Knife, Stooly, Tofu Homestar, and the Wagon Fulla Pancakes. Since there is no objective way to keep those and exclude Wormdingler, I vote keep &mdash[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 15:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::YES. MAKE IT A PSEUdOCHARATER! {{User:Haldo/sig}}

==Make Edits==

We need to expand this page[[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]]
:How? I think we've said everything that can be said about it. This is all the info there is. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

== Compound Article ==

Hey, you know how there's an article on the middle school varients of the members of free contry, US of A? could we make an article like that, but with the strange attemps to draw trogdor? {{unsigned|Haldo|21:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)}}
:That's a terrific idea that I wholly support. I only wish I had thought of it first in the section above. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that would have been nice, then we could have avoided having to think of it again. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:43, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:::This is exactly whats being discussed up top but listen here I hsve sn Idea

We make a dragons page and dragons such as [[trogador]] and this one and even tasters choice (which with 1 appearance got its own page) are listed but also more important ones (like this) have there own page too

I say '''keep'''. It has its own name now anyway. [[User:76.208.29.196|76.208.29.196]] 02:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Keep this, at least for now ==

I vote that we keep the Wormdingler page alive ''at least'' for two or three more 'toons. If he makes no more appearances, then perhaps a [[Dragons]] page is the best idea. However, give him a chance. There's my vote.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 22:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Fall Float Parade

2008-01-13T06:20:52Z

Gaeamil: /**/Where in The World...

{{featuredarticle}}
==Easter Eggs==
I call the Easter Eggs. You're allowed to do that, right? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:I'll race you for 'em. And I can protect the page. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'd rather not, but it doesn't seem like it's going to load, anyway. First one to fall asleep loses the eggs! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

==Not Loading==
It isnt loading for me. :( [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

:Same here. The flash file is giving me a 404. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::It's not loading for anyone, yet. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::: How'd you get the run time? [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:32, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::: It's listed on the Toons page. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 01:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Jeez, three edit conflicts just to edit this page. But anyway, me neither. Dang.{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::'''THERE ISN'T A FLASH FILE! [[User:Seek Bar]]

:::::it's not loading ''because'' there isn't a flash file. The page is looking for the file that doesn't exist. That's why there's a hold up.[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:35, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Well, I think we've reached the limit of making a page there's no flash file for. Still, we got pretty far. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::How do we know that Z and Marzy are hosting it? That Pom Pom's on the "telebision"? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::::::On the toons menu.[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::And the only reason I refered to her as "Marzy" is because that's what they refered to her as in the summary. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::All the same, her correct name is "Marzipan." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

And now we wait. Ah, "refresh", how we love thee.[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:What day is American Thanksgiving anyways? It's a month past for us Canadians. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:44, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::Always the 3rd Thursday in November. [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh. Then this one's... Retroactive? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:46, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::: TBC could be going outta town. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::: ITS WORKING {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Not for me. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Umm, no, actually, it's the ''fourth'' Thursday in November; i.e., in three days. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 01:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Where's the transcript coming from? The flash file's still not up for me! [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Btw Kookyman, I beat you. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::How'd you get it to load?????[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

This should clear things up... the regular is 'floatparade' and the swf is 'fallparade'. Probably lotsaya know this by now, but it does need to be officially announced. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 02:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

It works now everyone. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 21:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

==what the?==
this toon isn't working for me! and i'm really eager to see it! it just comes up as white stu~ff![[User:Jibney|Jibney]]
:FYI for those who are not in the know, the toon can be access from the following '''[http://www.homestarrunner.com/fallparade.swf Flash file]'''. Enjoy! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:Visit the flash file. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

thanks that was hilarious![[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== 'Nother Page ==

For all the Halloween cartoons, we make an extra page to show all the costumes in a gallery with discriptions. I think we should do that for the floats in the parade, sort of like a list for reference. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 02:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think that'll be needed, unless these floats become a reoccuring theme. (Which I doubt.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''EDIT CONFLICT''' Second. We list the Halloween costumes coz they have further information, based on other characters and all that. Whatever there is to say about the floats, I think we can put in the transcript. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Yes, but look at some of the other ridiculous (and useless) pages we have. This is actually a good idea. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== Tinfoil or Pennzoil? ==

I really don't think the Homsars are saying 'Sing a song of tinfoil'- to me, it sounds much more like 'Pennzoil'. Anyone else hear that?
:I had no idea what they were saying at first, with the overlap effect. But under the tutelage of Pom Pom's keen ears, and the transcript updating, I was able to pick out 'tinfoil'. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I heard Penzoil. There's definetly a "zoil" sound at the end of their line. -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]
:Yup, it's penzoil. Ima gonna change it now. -[[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]
::I always heard penzoil.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 13:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::It's definitely tinfoil. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
I've listened to it five times at increasing volume. It's penzoil! [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]
:Definetly penzoil

:SupremeRulerOfSBadia, please do not change it until an agreement is made. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

'm srry. I just know what I heard, and I can't help changeing it. [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

What the crap is Pennzoil? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:[http://www.pennzoil.com Pennzoil] is an American motor-oil company that sponsors races, sporting events and other stuff. They're right up there with Castrol and Quaker State. (I had listed this in RWR before someone reverted the transcript back to "Tinfoil".) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, and they are a major sponsor for Macy's T-Day Parades, too. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:It's an [http://www.pennzoil.com oil] for your engine. Apparently it's not in Isreal.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 17:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Take a [http://media.putfile.com/Fall-Float-Homsar-Quote listen] for yourself.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Listening to it again, it is definitely a bit indistinct because of the doubling, but I think the telltale sign that it's "Pennzoil" is that the first syllable in the word is a short "e", not a short "i". So you'd either have "ten-foil", "ten-zoil", "ten-soil", "pen-soil", or "pen-zoil" (and the last one properly translates to the Pennzoil brand name, as there is no English word "penzoil", and Homsar doesn't have a history of making up words). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:How odd... I was about to say the same thing, but backwards. Because I surely hear a short "i" sound. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Try these media clips: [[Media:LetsSingASong.ogg|Homsar's quote (normal)]] and [[Media:LetsSingASong-Fast.ogg|(150% normal speed)]] - the latter clip might make that last word a bit clearer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::After a review of these clips, particularly the second, I have reevaluated my position. It is Pennzoil, as reluctant as I am to admit. Also, I'd like to say that Homsar is rather creepy all sped up like that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:Hey guys, the KOT quote had a clip made so that it could be played over and over again (I think that one's thanks to KieferSkunk), is there any way we could have such a clip for the Homesar Line uploaded? That would help so much! I was almost convinced it was Penzoil but I keep hearing something different each time it seems, so I want to hear it with a good set of earphones and several times in a row to be sure. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm one step ahead of you, Stux. Look up. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:43, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh! I didn't even see them! I'm sorry! Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:46, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Wow, man! That 150% speed recording's a riot! I definitely do not hear an "f" sound to make tinfoil. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::'''Edit Conflict''' I think playing this on repeat 20 or 30 times gives you a pretty good idea of what it is and what it is not. I hear no "f", I hear a "p", and I hear an "e"; I hear no I, and we all agree on the oil part. :) I could've also just simply signed my vote and not typed any of this but it wouldn't be as fun now would it? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I can hear "Pennzoil" under the power of suggestion, but I can't hear "tinfoil" at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:45, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
Here, I'll start a vote:

If you hear "tinfoil", add your name to this bullet list.
*{{User:The Chort/sig}}
*{{User:H*R 700/sig}}
*[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 04:12, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
If you hear "Pennzoil", add your name here instead.
*{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
*{{User:bkmlb/sig}}
*So totally [[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]
*Get better speakers -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
*{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
*--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
*— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
*{{User:Joshua/sig}} (Actually, I hear "Pennfoil". :P)
*[[User:Strongstarbadder|Strongstar badder]]
*[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
*[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
*{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
*[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]]
*[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]]
*[[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]]
*{{User:Neox/sig}}

:Uhhh...I think we have enough votes in "Pennzoil" area.-[[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SBadiaRula]]

I think it's "sing a song of Pennzoil" because it might be a pun on a) Pennzoil and its parade-sponsoring ways, and b) that song, Sing a Song of Sixpence. You know, like "Let's sing a song of [Six]pennz-oil!" --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 23:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:None the richer? ;) Could'nt help it. :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hehe. Are you one of those who remember when it used to be ''cool'' to listen to Sixpence? When they were an underground indie group beset by label woes and playing in cafes? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, the Quote of the Week settled that debate. It's Pennzoil. I'll remove the footnote now. [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 16:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

:Woa, it's like [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]] read our minds or something! Happy Thanksgiving all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::Wow, with out that music in the backround, I ''can'' here Pennzoil. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 16:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::That's just creepy. First the "Riddle me twice" thing and now this. I doubt it's a coincidence. :P - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:04, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm curious, what are you referring to by "Riddle me Twice"? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:10, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::We're referring to the debate we had [[Talk:best thing#Bozar's Line|here]], and the subsequent Sketchbook that was released later that cleared it up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
You know, maybe TBC read the wiki and decided it to clear it up for us! {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 17:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, they have a habit of doing that, don't they? I think it's their personal contribution (other than the site itself of course) to the wiki. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::::I know. I've lost count of how many times a disputed quote ends up as QotW. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::::::I am greatly amused. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::They are watching us! ''{plays the theme tune to "The X Files"}'' {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Really? Wow, cool. Hi Mike! Hi Matt! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:56, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, they ARE watching us, and we have just entered... The Twilight Zone! ba da ba da ba da ba...--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::::::::::You mean the Homsar Zone? ;) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yes. t3h Homsar Zone... -sings Twilight Zone theme song in Homsar-esque voice- --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

==It all comes down so I break it down==
The KOT quite discernibly says some syllable before "Break it down for me, fellas," but I can't for the life of me figure out what it is. Anybody? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:"So"?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::''It'' refers to the song, a break-down is a variation or style of the music that they are playing. A common break-down is all the instruments dropping out except percussion. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I think AbdiViklas is asking for help identifying the syllable he hears before the phrase, not what the word "it" in the phrase stands for.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::That is correct. (And you're correct too, IRF; we owe modern turntabling to that section of the song and [[Wikipedia:DJ Grandmaster Flash|Grandmaster Flash's]] attempts to extend it.) I'm not convinced by "So," Tom; it kinda sounds like "court" to me, which makes no sense. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought it sounded a lot like "A-break it down for me, fellas!" It's a possibility. - {{User:Super Sonic X/Sig}} 19:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Court could work. Like a king's court. "A sovereign's governing body, including the council of ministers and state advisers." [http://www.answers.com/topic/court][[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yup. Excet "Break it down for me, fellas," is not in the Top 10 Things Most Likely To Be Heard In A Council Of Ministers And State Advisors (T1TMLTBHIACOMASA). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Here, I uploaded [[Media:Breakitdownforme.ogg|a sound clip]] of the KOT's line. That should help in figuring it out. Sounds like "court" or "pork" to me, but it also sounds like it could just be gibberish. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:Could be "What?" or "Oh" or "Go"... The possibilities are pretty much endless. It could be any number of things. Even listening to the .ogg, I can't tell. It's rather indistinct. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::About all I can get from it listening to it some more (even slowed it down to see if that would help) is that it sounds like it starts with "Tr". Nothing I can think of fits, though - I think it's just a random syllable at this point. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::: No idea here, but I don't hear a long "O" sound ("So," "Go," "Oh," or whatever.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::It could simply be a vocalization, a sort of a "hup!" I think given the lack of consensus it's okay to leave it as it is. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

I just watched the toon again, and it souned pretty clear. I'm almost positive it's "A-break..." - {{User:Super Sonic X/Sig}}

:I hear, "A-break it down for me, fairlords," but my headphones stuck. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Pretty sure that's "fellas". Having it be "A-break" is about the only thing I can think of that makes sense. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

To me, it sounds like "A-Break it down" or "And break it down" and definitely "fellas." why does it say "fell-as?"{{User:Salty/sig}} 01:25, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Jump Jive and Wail ==

Did anybody else think of the movie [[Wikipedia:Airplane%21|Airplane!]] when Marzi said, "for those of you don't speak Coach Z" refering to the lady that said, "Stewardess, I speak jive." Is this even close to being solid enough for ''real world reference'' status? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

: No, I just thought about speaking "The Cheat" [[User:No Parking|No Parking]] 15:00, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

::It was a funny movie though. "Surely you can't be serious!" "I am serious, and please stop calling me Shirley." That's gold! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah. It's one of my favorite. {{User:Salty/sig}} 16:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Post-its? ==

Are post-its a running gag, now? [[User:No Parking|No Parking]] 14:52, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:see [[Sticky_Notes]] {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:05, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== Killer Ballon ==

Could the run-away Marshie ballon be a referance to the 1998 Thanksgiving Parade when that Cat-in-the-Hat ballon knock over a street light at killed those people? Or is that too much of a stretch? [[User: The Pardack|The Pardack]]
:You know, I didn't even think of that, which is surprising because I lived in NY and was watching at that time, but I'd say so, especially since the cause was not enough people controlling the balloon. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
No one died, but someone was put in a coma for a while. But anyway, I think it could be a reference. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:I dunno, it strikes me as just a common parade balloon gag, not necessarily a reference to a particular incedent. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::I think The Pardack is right - I looked up news articles for that incident (which actually occurred in 1997), and the similarities between that and the Marshie balloon are pretty striking. (pun possibly intended.) I went ahead and added the fact - if you feel it should be STUFF'd, feel free. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:02, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it refers to anything in particular. I thought more of [[Wikipedia:The One Where Underdog Gets Away|the ''Friends'' episode where Underdog gets away]]. I went ahead and deleted the fact. If you feel it should be STUFF'd, feel free. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::You know, TBC have brains, and brains makes connections between related ideas and memories. So unless they have been living under a rock since their birth, something in particular popped up in their minds when they had the idea for this gag. If anything, the main reference here is the Zeppelin [[Wikipedia:Hindenburg_disaster|Hindenburg disaster]].--[[User:Vl-tone|Vl-tone]] 07:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Or for that matter, what about "[[Wikipedia:List of Seinfeld episodes#Season 6: 1994-1995|The Mom and Pop Store]]" epsiode of Seinfeld, When the Woody Woodpecker balloon gets blown? The simple fact is that it could be one particlar reference, but because there are so many candidates, it should be left at a reference to the general theme of a big balloon being a recipie for disaster. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Should we add this appearance to the Marshie filmography? [[Jazzdaddy77]]
Wha—hoobeda—haminahoo—speaking of TBC being prophetic... Has nobody heard about [http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/11/25/parade.balloon.ap/ this]? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, actually. I think someone added (and then removed) it to the STUFF discussion about this. I think it was kinda weird. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:And what about the year they had a Sonic the Hedgehog balloon? The wind blew it off course. {{User:Neox/sig}}

== Wagon Fulla Pancakes? ==

Should the Wagon Fulla Pancakes be mentioned here? I mean, isn't it the Wagon under SB's float?--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 19:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:It ''is'' mentioned. Check the inside references. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
Sorry. I wasn't clear enough. I meant in the cast list.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 19:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:It is listed suchly, by the way, in [[Senorial Day]] (though personally I don't think should be either there or here. [[montage]], yes, because it's personified so heavily, but not the other two. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::If we list something once, we list it everywhere. Or nowhere. The key is consistancy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
:::You don't see a case for different treatment when an inanimate object is personified into a character (as in [[Characters#PseudoCharacters]])? In [[montage]], the Wagon ''is'', functionally, a character. Here it's functionally a wagon. (Hey, I just thought of something; an argument could be made against listing "[[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]]" in the Cast here, since it ''isn't'' full of pancakes!) I'd argue it should be in the cast list for [[montage]] but no others to date. (Of course if my argument is accepted it would entail other changes; e.g. Frank Benedetto should be taken out of the Cast list for [[garage sale]] and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]], since it's just a popcorn popper in those.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
::::This is a good point, and I'll try to further support it with a hypothetical example. Suppose in a future toon, the concession stand sprouts eyes and a mouth and speaks a few lines (stranger things have happened). Surely we wouldn't go back and add "Bubs' Concession Stand" to hundreds of articles, right? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a wagon is just a wagon. {{User:Bill/sig}} 20:47, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Oo, I can totally imagine that happening. And you know what, if it does I will personally PayPal you Five Earth Dollars because it would mean TBC read this. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== About the lack of basement ==

Remarks notes that Bubs' Concession Stand doesn't appear to have a basement in the Homestar Egg. However, we already know that the basement is accessed by a lowering mechanism in the middle of the stand. This would put said mechamism about where Homestar's box is. I'm thinking it's possible (POSSIBLE) that Homestar's box is covering the basement elevator. What do you all think? [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 02:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
*I think you need to lay off the caffine. that is so absurd!--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think that's included in the Remark? And I think Benol could avoid sounding insulting. (Although, yes, the whole basement issue ''is'' absurd; not just because it's unlikely to be a priority of TBC, but because if it is it raises certain absurdist images, such as Bubs fitting through a hole that size.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Bub's elevator is not in the smack center of his stand, it's in the ''front-center'' part which is not covered by the cardboard box.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::: There is no basement in the stand, thus no elevator. In [[geddup noise]], Bubs was doing the old "pretend I'm in an elevator" trick that mimes do.--[[User:Vl-tone|Vl-tone]] 06:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::::What about when he walked out of the basement in [[Broken Compy Menu]] - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I know. It's just a wierd situation, his basement. I'll wing a mail to TBC and see what they say. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::::Good luck. From my experience, TBC have better things to do than answer fanmails, and they might take a really long time to reply, if they do reply at all. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:22, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

*I think it's some kind of secret trapdoor, it seems mechanical so maybe it's hidden. Like, perhaps, the floor opens by remote. Also, unless the floor of Bubs' is usually dirt, it would seem that Strong Mad took the floor as well, so perhaps the trapdoor is concealed therein (and the ground opens up, too).[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
::If he took the floor, where'd he put it? You can quite clearly see that it's open on the bottom, as Strong Mad's feet are sticking out as he walks. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Maybe his feet are in the trapdoor, and therefore sticking out? --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::His hands come out the bottom too, however. It'd be a pretty big hole... I think it's floorless. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Lol. It could be that the ground is fake, or at least real but with a false bottom, concealing thus the basement underneath the dirt. Or it could just be a paradox. But not a time paradox. Those are bad. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::And confusing. (40-year-old left-handed timetraveller goes back 30 years and cuts off his 10-year-old self's left hand with a cleaver, thus losing his hand in the future. But if he doesn't have a hand, how did he cut it off?) But I don't think Bubs' basement is going to tear apart the fabric of the universe. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::Aa, why not? Eh Steve's mouth already exploded it. And as long as we're indulging in silly speculation in an attempt to reconcile a simple (possibly intentional) lack of continuity between 'toons, I say his floor is dirt, and contains a trap door ''so'' cleverly disguised that you can't see where it would open (i.e. the whole "dirt" floor separates in half; but the seam is carefully camouflaged). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I was thinking about something a long those lines. I figured he could have some sort of mollecular rearranger (like those in star trek) that would "re-seal" the seams so it would look like one whole slab of dirt. :) That or he could use [[Stargate_SG-1|rings]], but you never see him use rings. ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:48, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, okay, this has been going on for way to long! I've always thought that Bubs 'going into his basement' is a reference to the thing where you go behind a barrier (term used loosely) and you claim you're "going downstairs" and you walk, bending your knees more and more and it looks like you're walking down stairs. At least it seems Bubs was using that type of humor to me. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 00:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Bubs is wider than Homestar's box, I believe. It probably couldn't cover a door. I think it's just a Goof by TBC. Also, the stor's ground is probably dirt. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==Blue Face?==
[[Image:qod 4 - bubs.PNG|frame|left]]
This may just be going over my head right now, but I don't understand the reference on Homestar's box during the easter egg. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 01:23, 23 Nov 2005 (PST)
:Maybe this will help. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 09:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh. Well I said that I was probably missing the obvious. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 02:21, 23 Nov 2005 (PST)
:::It actually took me a few minutes to work it out too... I thought at first it was just Homestar's usual inanity. Then, after about the third viewing, I go "Hey, Bubs is of the blue-headed persuasion, isn't he?" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Happy T! ==

Having T in a number (The 4Tst Annual Fall Float Parade) has happened before: The book: ''This Book is Better Than 1st, 2nd, and Quite Possibly Even 3rd Base.'' is sold for $28.9T on [[Bookazon.com]]. I thought I might get your opintions on this before I rush in and put it in the Fun Facts. - [[User_talk:Sahm|talk]] [[User:Sahm|Sahm]] [[Special:Contributions/Sahm|ribs]] 05:50, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:No no, add it add it. Be '''bold''' with your editing! --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::I think the use of T in the toon is closely related to [[Tooty-two]]. Go ahead and check it out. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:10, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I thought of Tooty-two instantly upon seeing it... Maybe these two instances could be listed on the Tooty-two page as "Not Quite Tooty-twos", or something like that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Definently. Perhaps even move the page to something more appropriate, not sure what though. At the very least, grouping it on the page for now would be fine. Maybe create a redirect page for "Replacing Numbers With T" or something, that'll lead you to the [[Tooty-two]] page. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:47, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I've made a "Not Quite Tooty-two" section on [[Tooty-two]]. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== KOTHS ==

Being a band geek, I have a question: Could I make a Fun Fact saying which band member is which (such as the KOT is Auxillary)? --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:A bigger question is, why haven't you already done it? Be '''bold''' with your editing!!! Go ahead and add it!! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, okay! I call it until tomorrow night (have to clean my room.)--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::Can somebody else edit it for me into a Fun Fact? I have the KOT as Auxillary/Drum Major, Poopsmith as Percussion(Cymbals), Hornblower as Wind Instruments, and the Knight as Percussion(Drums).--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::What instrument does the horn blower play? I mean formally... or is it just a horn? (He's playing here the horn he usually plays with, no?) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically it's a '''buisine'''. No, I didn't know that off the top of my head; I had to check the [http://www.grovemusic.com Grove Music Online Dictionary] (I can't link to the article because it's subscription.) From that article:
:::::*Medieval name for a herald’s trumpet; it was long and straight with a cylindrical or slightly conical bore. Pictures indicate that the instrument was often one to two or more metres long, and that its tube of brass or silver was made up of several joints, their junctions concealed by ornamental bosses. The bell joint was flared to varying degrees. Buisines are frequently shown bearing the banner of a noble person.
:::::Ultimately, what would differentiate between trumpet and horn is whether it has a cylindrical or conical bore, and actually, examining the cartoon, it sure looks conical (which justifies his name). But his heraldic function seems to be referencing the tradition of straight, valveless trumpets. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Wow... now I gotta change my title from Band Geek to Auxillary Geek. Y'all know WAY too much... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::::No, you can keep Band Geek. I'm just a String Geek with access to the Grove. (I know several serious Band Geeks, though, as in people training to be band directors.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
::I think that the information regarding the bandmember positions should be placed back in the article. It may seem obvious to those who have had lots of exposure to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=205855&oldid=205853 band life], but I do not beleive that the information is that obvious to everybody who reads the article. (On a different note, I will try to put the buisine information on [[The Hornblower|the hornblower's]] page.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Put it in the transcript, but it doesn't belong in the fun facts. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Ok! Makes sense! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:21, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Can you beleive that someone started a wikipedia article on the [[Wikipedia:Buisine|buisine]], but called it a [[Wikipedia:Busine|busine]]? I thought both might be correct at first, but the other it not made mention of anywhere. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::I wouldn't necessarily be sure they didn't know what they were talking about; spelling warn't real standardized until the 18th century at least, and mention of this instrument dates back at least to the ''[[Wikipedia:The Song of Roland|Chanson de Roland]]''. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Um...yeah... right. It's already in the transcript. I don't need to add anything. Oh well. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:35, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The word "buisine" instantly reminded my of that "bweez-NASS?" TGS easter egg in that one email. {{User:Salty/sig}} 16:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Regrets... ==

''This section used to be called: '''I regret regretting, what I had regretted regretting that one regretful day'''. ''

Shouldn't there be at least ''some'' mention or link of the quote to its reference (even if it was different from Strong Bad's) regarding the "I regret everything quote". The reasons I ask this are:
#Knowing that the quote comes from an Edith Piaf Song and the French Foreign legion (much in the same way [[do over]] makes mention of it) is actually quite informative. I had heard the song before I'm sure, but when I saw the toon, I '''never''' made the connection until I read the fun fact! Much less did I know that the French Foreign Legion adopted that as it's motto.
#Having those links here and in do over would seem redundant, but it is necessary to have in both instances, or at least be able to find that information when reading either entry. Which leads me to...
#...even if the quotes are not related, it's still somewhat worthy to note that the quote has been used once before (even if totally reversed) by TBC. It may not be a pattern, but it's a start (two points do define a line you know... three can define a <s>space</s> plane! (Unless they're in the same line.) And the [[Wikipedia:3-SAT|3-Satisfiability problem]] is in [[Wikipedia:NP|NP]].) :)
So... yeah. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:46, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference to any of those things:
:#"I regret nothing" are just famous last words. I completely got the "I regret everything" joke without even needing to know that someone has incorporated it into a song and an official motto.
:#The context in [[do over]] is completely different. Strong Bad is literally saying he regrets nothing to discourage Homestar (as The Cheat) from interfering. He's not saying last words.
:#Three nonlinear points define a ''plane'', not a space. For a space, you need ''four'' nonplanar points.
:In conclusion... San Dimas High School football rules! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah the title was annoyingly long. Oh! Did I say space! Crap I meant to say three points in space define a plane but well ... oh well. Actually... you could say I was still right cuz I could fudge definitions and claim that what I meant was that a plane is in fact a two-dimensional space and as such can be referred to as a space too! (Much in the same way a cross section of a higher dimentional space is called a hyperplane, and that cross section itself can be seen as a space!) -- I'd aspire to be a politician, but there too I'd get blank stares.
::Oh! I see the difference now! Okay then, how does Strong bad saying "I regret nothing" in do over relate to the song and the motto? (Yes, I know this sentence belongs in [[Talk:do over|that talk page]], and yes, I should read the entire transcript before asking such questions... but it's gotta flow and I already did it anyway). What else? [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22we+gotta+save+the+babes%22 We] gotta save the babes. Oh where's that preview button... --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, you inspired me to delete it from the other toon. I don't see how Strong Bad could be referring to something that's not even in English. I suppose I could have put it through the formal process (and if I was hasty (which I don't think I was), maybe someone else will), but when it comes to "do over" and STUFF, I just don't have the strength. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Inspired huh? Well you gotta link to [[Wikipedia:%C3%89dith_Piaf|Edith Piaf]] ''somewhere'' in this wiki, even if it's just a talk page! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Could the fact in question be acceptable in Trivia instead of Real World References? Because It's dot com's right; I've heard and even used the phrase before without knowing about Edith Piaf, and it's possible that TBC have to. It certainly isn't an overt reference. But on the other hand it ''is'' a bit of info that I'd like to see on the page. I see this as comparable to [[Halloween_Fairstival#Real-World_References|Wine, Women, and Song]], which we saw fit to accept unanimously. There too we dealt with a phrase that has entered common usage sufficiently that few are familiar with its ultimate origin. (But there are differences here and I'm not entirely convinced in my own mind. I'd be happy with either result, really.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, if we're explaining why Coach Z says what he says, then that would go under Explanations. I'm still struggling to see, however, how this rises to the fun fact level. If you take the straight opposite of "I regret everything," you get "I regret nothing," which itself can be simplified to "no regrets"—a very common phrase. And that's what I think TBC were going for: As Coach Z faces what could very well be his impending doom, his life flashes before his eyes, but instead of having no regrets, he regrets everything. (This whole line of thought is making me really sad for the Coach.) But that's the joke, and I think enough people get it on first viewing that it doesn't need to be and shouldn't be explained. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
::On the other hand, this subject is getting its due (and then some) here on this talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==And the band played on—?==
(This was intended for [[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]]'s talk page, but it's a redirect to Fanstuff and at the moment I can't register to edit there.) Seriously, Thatkidsam, you don't know any high schools with bands?! That's an '''outrage'''. Not only is the [http://www.menc.org/information/advocate/facts.html value of music education] incontrovertible, the No Child Left Behind Act (whatever might otherwise be wrong with it) [http://www.menc.org/information/meandthelaw.html mandates] the Arts as a core subject ''and'' allocates funds specifically for it. Out of curiosity, where do you live? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

And, for the record, where exactly did thatkidsam say what enduced you to write this? I'm interested to see it. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 13:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

:Abdi, I'll leave the message for him at Fanstuff. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::[[HRFWiki:User_talk:Thatkidsam#Message_from_.5B.5BHRWiki:User:AbdiViklas.7C.5D.5D.2C_delivered_by_Kookykman.|Here]] is the message. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:The comment was made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206174&oldid=206156 here]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:12, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
NCLB gives "The Arts" money? No wonder we have about 7 flags for each Auxillary member...--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:Actually, that's not entirely accurate; the link above (under "mandates") says it was Congress's annual appropriations bill for fiscal year 2002-2003 (the article was published 2002). I don't know what's happened since, though. Also, the big deal is that the $$ is there, in a fund, but it's up to local districts to appropriate it, and many of them don't know they can. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:24, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

== KOT 20X6 ==

While I don't think it's close enough to merit mention in the article, I thought I'd at least mention it here... Keep in mind, I am also no expert on music (quite the opposite, really). But I do believe the jazzy hip-hop tune the K.O.T.H.S. band plays when they break it down bears some distinction to the opening music for [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 5|Stinkoman Level 5]], [[The Moon]]. I know there are some better musical people here... Anyone wanna check if I'm cracking up? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:On it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:55, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Reporting: okay, it ''does'' bear a resemblence, yes, because they're both highly syncopated patterns involving base tones; plus the little tweet-y sounds in Level 5 might bring to mind the KOT's whistle. However, it's only the first four notes of the two patterns that are actually identical: eighth note, quarter, eight, quarter, with a cymbal (or snare, for Stinkoman) on the last quarter. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
::Cool, thanks. That's all I really wanted to know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

==Rivals for the hand of—wait, the ''hand''...==
Although I reverted the following Inside Reference, I thought it was an insightful piece of hypothetical analysis, and so am dumping it here for posterity. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
*Bubs' parade float is a reference to Coach Z's and Bubs' ongoing and secretive rivalry for Marzipan's affection as witnessed in [[Happy Fireworks!]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0]]. His float could also arguably be considered a response to Coach Z's "inapprapriate" comments towards Marzipan, although it was probably built before the comments took place. —[[User:Colonel Burnsides|Colonel Burnsides]]
Or maybe a joke that in loads of toons Bubs and Coach Z were always hanging out with eachover, and then suddenly Bubs does all he can to make fun of him?--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 22:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:That's what I think it is. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

== Sensitive to Bees? ==

I removed this fun fact for the 'may be':

*Marzipan's request that Homestar "say hi to that bee for" her may be a reference to her song [[Sensitive To Bees]].

--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== I would just like to say... ==

...that I feel somehow rather proud of starting what appears to be the biggest and most intensely-debated [[Template:STUFF/Fall Float Parade#The One Where Marshie Gets Away|STUFF'd Fun Fact]] in the history of this Wiki. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:(actually, I'm not sure that's at all true - I haven't been here THAT long.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:37, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, the most hotly debated fact was [[Talk:do over#Change_of_Pace_.28ACCEPTED.29|Change of Pace]] fact. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::Yeah, this one is grumblecakes compared to that one. And then there's Seb, and others. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Okay, then, ONE of the most intensely-debated FF's. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely one of the most voted-for and closest votes I'VE ever seen, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::Did change of pace get accepted or decline'd? I remember that one. I accepted it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::It says it was accepted. But I don't remember that one...--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== Tomatermorts ==

Is it just me, or does Coach Z actually say "t''er''matermorts"? {{User:Bill/sig}} 20:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:For me it's more like tom''er''termorts. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Its definitely Termatermorts. Why does the main page say "zader matermorts"??
:Because that's the text appearing in the [[Quote of the Week]]. That's how the official line is written. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Once again, a disputed quote ends up as QOTW. I'm greatly amused. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:37, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Although this one wasn't that disputed, nor was it the "Disputed Quote of the Week". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Out of curiosity... what the crap does disputed mean? It just sounded cool, so I used it. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It means something along the lines of "argued over". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Oh. Well either way, a quote some people were unsure of became qoute of the week. Again. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:52, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::It's always awesome when that happens. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Actually, I'm a little ambivalent about regarding the QOTW text as binding for what we should put in the transcript. Here's two explanations:
:#They're aware of the wiki, and put "zader matermorts" to encourage us to change it to that in the transcript.
:#They put that as the QOTW text sort of jokingly, since that ''is'' exactly what Matt's rendering of the line sounds like. I.e. they're highlighting the way the ''s'' became a ''z'' sound and the ''d''-ness of the ''t'', etc. However, it would still be reasonable to have the transcript read "I say tomatermorts."
:I kind of prefer the second option myself, even though I know solid evidence is against me. After all, we don't transcribe Homestaw's twouble with his awws or Bubs' habit of droppin' the endin' ''g''s in words. But like I said, I'm ambivalent. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
:Exactly. This isnt a phonetic pronunciation listing. We're supposed to list WHAT they are saying not HOW they are saying it.
::Except that halfway through what Coach Z is saying, he stops speaking recognizable English. If "say termatermorts" were a real phrase, then there might be a reason not to spell it "zader matermorts". But absent that, I see no reason ''not'' to spell it exactly as they have spelled it, even if it was partly a joke. The whole phrase is a joke. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I listen and hear "zader matermorts". What are we disputing about, anyway? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 22:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
:How could you hear "zader matermorts" and not "zay dermatermorts"? Because even "zay dermatermorts" would be more ok by me than what we have now. Coach Z's "thing" is not that he suddenly starts speaking in nonsense. His thing is that he occasionally screws up words. Its pretty late, but i can't even think of another instance where he has said two nonsense words in a row.
::I'm not sure you're understanding why we worded it the way we did: The Brothers Chaps themelves spelt it "I zader matermorts" in the [[Quote of the Week]]. We didn't write it this way originally, but when they spelt it that way, we changed it to match what they did. Sorry if you already knew that, but that's our reasoning. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
:::So, no matter what TBC write on that QOTW thing, you'll repeat it here? No matter how incorrect it may be? That could be any number of inside jokes between them or anything.
::::That inside joke being: it ''is'' "say tomatermorts", but TBC like to mess with us. I can see it now: "Oh, oh, next week, let's make the QOTW The Cheat, and we'll say he's quoting Shakespeare or something." "Brilliant!" ;)
:::::You're taking this way too seriously. :P I listened to the clip multiple times, and even I heard "zader matermorts" - I accepted the original spelling ("Say termatermorts") until we had TBC's spelling up on QOTW, and then I listened more closely. It's not really worth fighting over, IMHO. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:56, 15 December 2005 (UTC) (And sign your posts, silly!)
::::::For some reason this is really a sticking point with me. Again. You can't say it sounds like "zader matermorts" and not "zay dermatermorts" which for all intents and purposes is "say termatermorts" I have to say that we should go by what the character is saying, not by what the author claims he is saying. The point about the Cheat is well taken. If the QOTW was the Cheat going "mehmehmehmehmeh" and they wrote "What light through yonder window breaks? Tis the East and Juliette is the sun" You'd write that??
:::::::I would... because for all we know he MIGHT have said that, because we don't speak The Cheat. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::::::There's really no point in proposing outrageous hypothetical examples. It's really easy to come up with a made-up example, but until we get a transcript from TBC that clearly goes against what the sound file says, then we should take their word for it. This one is the closest call we've had, but it's still reasonable, especially if you listen to the clip with the TBC's transcript in mind. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:31, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

==No Loafing==
I'm suprised that no one has mentioned the 'no loafing' sign in the easter egg. Can someone add it here and on the no loafing page?-Generic Name
:I don't think we need to mention every single time the no loafing sign appears. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== what in the world ==

does "You say tomater, I zader matermorts" mean?[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 07:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

:You say tomater, I say termatermorts. It's an expression, you say it how you want to, I'll say it how I want to. Although, it has been Coach Z-ified. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::Also, it came from a song. There's a fact in [[Template:STUFF/Fall_Float_Parade|STUFF]] about it; it's about two people being different but deciding to get married anyway, and the first line is "You say 'tomato' ''[pronounced with an "ay" sound]'' and I say tomato ''[pronounced with an "ah" sound]''...". You might visit that fact, by the way; if you haven't heard of the song, you're proof that the fact might be helpful. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Let's call the whole thing off ==
I'm bringing this up here because I noticed it as I was closing the STUFF item ([[#You_say_tomater.2C_I_zader_STUFF.27d|see below]]): When the one about the reference to "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" was accepted, it was assumed that the lines of the song were "you ''say'' to-ma-to and I ''say'' to-mah-to", but after looking around a little bit, I found that it's actually "you say ''either'' and I say ''eyether''", and then later in the song: "you ''like'' to-ma-to and I ''like'' to-mah-to". Because the vote was overwhelming, the item was closed; also, I believe that TBC thought that the lyrics were "''say'' tomato", just like we ourselves thought. Therefore, the reference is legitimate. On the other hand, if anyone truly feels that the vote would have been different given this new information, leave a note here and we'll figure out what to do. Otherwise, it can just stand as reworded, since it's probably not that big a deal. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:The stuff template goes here too, no? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:::In about a week, when it gets archived, yeah. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::Oh! ok I get it now! Thanks. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:56, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
::I remember the song going "You ''say'' tomayto, I ''say'' tomahto" at the start. That was the whole foundation for the song. I'll have to look again, perhaps... {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:42, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Upon further review, you're absolutely right - it is "Like", not "say". Still, I think the reference is valid, specifically for the reason that even though we may have misquoted it, people like me still refer to that song for that particular phrase. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:48, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
::::And, just to reiterate, people like TBC probably think that's how the song goes, too. I sure did. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:17, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

==Closed STUFF==
{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Break it down now ===
{{stufffact|Although the Hornblower seems to be playing when the K.O.T.H.S. Marching Band "breaks it down", there is no sound of the horn.}}
{{stuffverdict|20:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)|04:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted|21|1|Fall Float Parade}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== You say tomater, I zader STUFF'd ===
{{stufffact|"You say tomater, I zader matermorts" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:George Gershwin|George]] and [[Wikipedia:Ira Gershwin|Ira Gershwin]]'s 1937 hit song "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off", which compares the pronunciations of several words, including "[[Wikipedia:Tomato#Pronunciation|tomato]]" (''"to-may-to"/"to-mah-to"'').}}
{{stuffverdict|23:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)|03:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted|18|2|Fall Float Parade}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Ouch! Buzz Buzz Buzz ===
{{stufffact|Marzipan requested that Homestar say hi to the bee for her because she is very [[Sensitive To Bees|sensitive to bees]].}}
{{stuffverdict|15:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)|17:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)|accepted|20|12|Fall Float Parade}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== The One Where Marshie Gets Away ===
{{stufffact|In a striking coincidence, an errant balloon knocked over a light pole and injured two people during the 2005 Macy's Parade, just three days after this cartoon was released. '''A similar event also occurred in the 1997 Macy's Parade.'''}}
{{stuffverdict|19:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)|00:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted as revised|17|4|Fall Float Parade}}

==Reused items==
Haven't we had these "inside references" before? Things like "Strong Bad's wagon is the same on he filled with pancakes"? Or "Strong Bad's nunchuks are the same ones he taped to a gun"? I think it's pointless to point out such things, but is there anyone else who feels this way? -[[User:Alice|Alice]]

== Breakin' it down ==

Actually, I added that explanation because it, to me at least, does not appear he's playing. The horn's to his lips for a split second, hardly time to play anything, and he's clearly not playing anyway. I was going to remove the remark entirely because of that. I opted to show that even if it seems strange to the person who made the original comment, it's totally "unremarkable" to others. What about the revision prompted the revert? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:I thought it was too... non-encyclopedic sounding. Sorry Kermie. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::Hmm. One could argue the whole fact is un-encyclopedic. I;ll look at this again later. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::No. I mean, I really don't think words like "showy" are used often in encyclopedias, or even Wikipedia. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::Really? Isn't a modern marching routine pretty much the definition of "showy"? What adjective would be better? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the entry. Reason? The notion that just because the horn is to the lips someone is playing it is silly. It's not as if the Hrnblower is seemingly actually playing. He's obviously dancing and posing with the horn. Feel free to argue on this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:31, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
:I have no real love for this one, but if in the future you want to remove a fact that has been on the page for three and a half months, you should STUFF it [[HRWiki:STUFF/About#STUFFing_vs._Deleting|rather than]] just deleting it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
::Main Entry: showy
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: flamboyant
Synonyms: chichi, classy, dashing, flash, flashy, flossy, frou-frou, garish, gaudy, glaring, gussied up, histrionic, jazzy, loud, luxurious, meretricious, opulent, ornate, ostentatious, overdone, overwrought, peacocky, pizzazz, pompous, pretentious, resplendent, screaming, sensational, snazzy, splashy, splendiferous, sumptuous, swank, tawdry, tinsel, tony, zappy
*Pick one. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

==An even newer page==
Page about the actual event? We have a seperate one for [[Awexome Cross '98]]. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 02:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

:True, but that happened twice, and even then that's a boarderline page. I'd be hesitant about creating pages for things that are already explained well enough on another page, which would include the prospective article. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:10, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

:Awexome Cross '98 is a repeat event – 2 major mentions: a large part of an email, and a game dedicated to it. The parade is not a repeat event, and everything about it can be found on this page. And, unlike some other things which only have one appearance and have their own page, there isn't anything in particular that warrants highlighting from this page, a page about the parade would basically just be a summary of the toon. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==4Tst==

I would've pronounced 4Tst "four T st", like fourtyst. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 22:00, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
:That's nice. Here, we document how it is pronounced in the toon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

== DVD Easter Egg ==

Before anything else, since there seems to {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=prev&oldid=431464 be}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=next&oldid=431464 some}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=next&oldid=431507 disagreement}} about the easter egg (and I don't own the DVD), would somebody provide conclusive evidence (i.e. instructions how to access) that the Egg is there or not? Is it possible that different editions of the same [[Everything Else, Volume 2|DVD]] was released? However unlikely. Man I gotta get me those DVDs one of these days. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== SM easter egg found on dvd ==
I'm putting it in but the SM easter egg is accsessible by pressing right until the star in the logo turns orange and you press the enter button. [[User:Foogs|everyone loves the foogs he loves his boring sigs!]] 22:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Where in The World... ==

Does it strike anyone else as familiar to have somebody stealing a ''whole building?'' Reminds me of ''Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego?'' At least the show. I recall that there would be some super-buff person that would steal things in that same general range, like Mount Rushmore. Think it's a reference?

And this all is late because I never watched this toon until I saw the Quote Of The Week.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 06:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:diorama

2007-12-28T13:17:46Z

Gaeamil: /* Internet! */

== The Deciders? ==

I heard "the signers" {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:You are right. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 15:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Soolnds ==
"Dr. Soft-Soolnd's Tan Medical Shoes" is a reference to Strong Sad's Soolnds. This should be mentioned under "Inside Jokes". --Anon {{unsigned|72.1.206.12|15:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=diorama&diff=523947&oldid=523946 added a link in the transcript}}. I think this should be enough... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno, I never actually read the transcripts... I recognized the reference, but not everyone will. [[User:Dalkaen|Dalkaen]] 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Seconded. I rarely read the transcripts, unless I'm not sure what a certain line is. I skip straight to the Fun Facts, so it would nice to have it mentioned down there. [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 19:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I also agree that this should be mentioned under "Inside References". I have tried to place this bit of info there a couple times now but it was removed.--[[User:192.197.71.189|192.197.71.189]] 17:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Simpsons?? ==
The remark regarding the Simpsons episode seems like a stretch at best. I figured I'd open that for discussion before charging in there and deleting it. [[User:Gerta|Gerta]] 15:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z easter egg ==

What does this have anything to do with the email? Is there a connection that i'm missing? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Good question. I also feel that, although the cheating line is obvious, the reason why The Cheat is holding the Lappy is going over my head. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, wait, I get part of the Coach Z scene. The KoT book is supposedly written by "Ronmartin Realdude", the same person Coach Z is allegedly talking to. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, but why would coach z be talking to a fake author about a fake relationship on a fake cell phone? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::That's the joke. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Why does The Cheat cuddle a groadulated sponge called The Denzel? How did Strong Mad shape his mouth into a house and eat a crappy old computer? Why did Homestar make a cardboard girlfriend? Jeez, man! -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think the reason the Cheat is holding the Lappy is because we're assuming he helped Strong Bad with all the internet site stuff for the fake book, since SB isn't exactly advanced to internet level. -Cyndentia
::We're heading into forum speculation but here's what I think: The Cheat's walking off with the Lappy because he's going to design, program and create the book website for Strong Bad's diorama project. As we all know, Strong Bad's lazy and always gets his lackey to do all his work. It would explain why The Cheat makes "agreeing The Cheat noises" when Strong Bad says "It's gotten so hard to cheat these days!" because he's got to make the website. And The Cheat is the one most skilled with technology. Then again, why would he use the Lappy instead of the Tangerine Dreams or Monosodium Dreams? Hmmm. Oh, and Coach Z's irrelevant scene is just there to make you laugh. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure it was in reference to the SedBed's comments that "Cheating is getting harder." I'm pretty sure Teh C is simply absconding with the Lappy, and showing the ease of actual cheating. [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 21:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::::At this point this topic is getting into the realm of speculation, and i would really suggest that we stop now and move it to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed The Cheat was haulin' the laptop simply because it's a visual representation of "It's gotten so hard to cheat", as similarly it's gotten hard to '''be''' a The Cheat. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 17:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== KoT skin color ==

was this the first time we could see the King's skin? if so, can someone put this in the article? -Raltaran
*It's already in there. [[User:Homsarian79|Homsarian79]] 15:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Not a Cat ==

When Strong Bad is talking about the website that Molly would have to make for a fake book, the author blurb mentions that he is "NOT a cat!!" This is the classic line of Evil the Cat from Earthworm Jim, when he's in disguise. Should this be a reference?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. --[[User:72.226.234.136|72.226.234.136]] 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I've never seen the show, so I can't be sure how appropriate it is, but Wikipedia's entry on [[Wikipedia:Evil_the_Cat|Evil the Cat]] does make a pretty good case for it being a reference. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Enough for me. It's up on there. My first caught reference! Woohoo!--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::since some people think its ttatot, should we bring it to stuff? {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 01:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Those who think it's ttatot have not provided other examples of what it could be, i say wait it out. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::"See the edit summary." has gotta be the most descriptive edit summary ever:P. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I should've been more specific. I actually deleted a very similar fact once before; this was already here, then someone posted this:

<blockquote>
*The insistence that the author is not a cat on the bookazon.com website is a reference to the Natsume Soseki classic novel ''I Am a Cat'', a story told from the point view of a cat observing Japanese middle class life.
</blockquote>

...with the edit summary being...

<blockquote>
It could be the Shonen Knife song that also references the novel....
</blockquote>

So, DeFender, there's your "that" (a novel) and "the other thing" (a song). It's too vague to be a concrete reference to anything. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have to agree that a book review asserting to not be a cat made me think of "I Am a Cat" before Evil the Cat, for what it's worth, though the assertion does ''fit'' Evil the Cat. (And YK, I knew what you meant, it was just really funny out of context.) [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::Though FWIW, I don't think TBC have a very big precedent for referencing Japanese stuff. A 90's game/cartoon seems more likely. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::As well, the "author" says at the end: "Did I mention I'm not a cat?" which is ''verbatim'' of Evil's usual line.
::::The "author" does not say that verbatim, though. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Intro ==

*Strong Bad's tone of voice at the beginning of the email could be a reference to the video game [[wikipedia:Portal_%28video_game%29|Portal]], in which the antagonist GLaDOS often mentions cake.
This fact was quickly removed, but it raises a good question (one that i didn't know how to raise in a non-forummy way until now) and that is, what the heck is with the intro? IS it a reference to something? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

His tone of voice and diction sound to me like he's imitating Senor Cardgage. --[[User:69.254.41.106|69.254.41.106]] 19:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so a little computer that is near death and lonely gets made fun of and makes people GLaD and makes them laugh just for eating cake? that is not right. and yes i have the game. and beaten the game. and played the commentary, for the game.GLaDoS's helper [[User:Imdaman]]

I think it's a LOLCATS reference. [http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/images/lolcats/madecookie.jpg This one, specifically.] "I BAKD U A CAKE / IT HAZ RAIZENS" or something. -- 00:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
*I'm fairly confident it's a reference to a scene in [[Wikipedia:Better Off Dead (film)|Better Off Dead]]. There's a running gag about John Cusack's mother being a terrible cook. In the scene in question, she tries a new recipe which results in some kind of weird slime dish with black spots in it. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but I do remember her saying, "It's got... raisins. You like raisins." John Cusack just stares at the lump of slime on his plate until it eventually crawls away. Do any of the regulars agree enough to add it? --[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:SM-716 '''SM-716'''] 04:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

:Personally, I think that this is a reference to the usual cartoon method of, when something's recorded, voice-over certain points to make it say something else. Rarely does it fit, and often it has a different voice, ie in Invader Zim, the candy-selling episode, the "adhesive medical strips."

== Image ==
I think we should have the image be of another diorama example, like James Buchanan must die.-Me

== 99.99.99 ==

Ya know, this is probably far fetched, but $99.99.99 was the most well-known phrase of Mike the TV from the TV Show ReBoot. (The price of the 'Bucket o' Nothing' he was always advertising.) [[User:68.228.89.148|68.228.89.148]] 22:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== King of Town's Adventures ==

I know that "The King of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland" is a reference to "The Cheat's Cheatventures in Moses Maloneland", but I haven't a clue of how to phrase it. Anybody got any ideas? -{{User:Itama/sig}} 23:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really think it *is* a reference, actually... "X's Adventures in X" is a common theme among childrens' books. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::most notably Alice's Adventure's in Wonderland.

== Byoo-cannon ==

* "Byoo-cannon" is also the name of a president. James Buchannon
This fact was recently removed, but i didn't realize this till i read it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Then re-add it. It doesn't sound that good as written, though. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The whole point of it being a "Byoo-cannon" is that it's being used on the clothespin avatar of James Buchanan. That's the joke. It's acknowledged right within the email itself that the target is Buchanan. This fact is thus completely obvious, and should not be added. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No, you misunderstand. I'm not saying it should go back in, as it's definitely explaining the joke. I put it here so that those who are slow (like me) might read it, but i agree it definitely doesn't belong in the article itself. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. That makes more sense. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, how many people cas associate the Old Public Functionary with James Buchanan like that? Other than American History teachers, of course.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps you missed it like I did the first time, but that diorama has a "James Buchanan Gonna Die!" label at the top. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia reference==

The "check your sources" statement could be referencing teachers disallowing Wikipedia as a source. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 01:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic leading to that conclusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The internet comment. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So you're saying that strong bad saying that it's easier for teachers to check something on the internet is a reference to teachers disallowing students from using a certain internet source? That's like saying that my using linux is a reference to people not liking AMD processors. (and in case that didn't make sense, that was the point, there IS no connection) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Smiling ==

Strong Bad smiles when discussing the dinosaur attacking the treaty signers, can someone make this edit, as all my edits seem to get immediately deleted.

I think he smiles in like, every other cartoon, now. I don't think it's worth mentioning anymore.-Lappy z
:We actually had a [[Talk:Strong Bad Smiling#Notable?|discussion]] on whether or not that gag is worth recording at all, but it's too hard for some people here to decide if it is truly impossible for "happy" to be an opposite of "evil". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Robots ==
A cardboard robot is shown twice, this should be mentioned as an inside reference.
:Something has to be shown three times or more to be an inside reference, and it doesn't even count if it only appears in one toon a few times. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
::I think he's talking about cardboard and [[robots]]... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== One off ==
When Strong Bad is talking about assasinations, his examples are one president before actual assasinated or attempted assasinated presidents. For example, Jimmy Carter was president before Reagan, who was shot, but didn't die. And James Buchanan was right before Lincoln, who was shot in Ford's theatre.-Lappy z (not logged in)

:I think that's pretty much the joke. Everyone with rudimentary knowledge of the presidents would know that those two didn't get killed, and Strong Bad was just being silly. Especially since, both times, the assassin was a robot. But that is interesting that he's one president off each time. I don't think it's worth a mention, really. Make it an added bonus joke for knowing your presidents. ;) --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Eating Non-Food Items ==

Should the fact that the king of town eats a non-food item (The cotton balls) be mentioned on this page? It is allready mentioned on [[Eating Non-Food Items]] [[User:24.64.223.204|24.64.223.204]]

== Chemical add in ==

Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and I am right
:Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and you are late. ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 14:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
::Am I the only one that thought of 'moldy-bread-enum' when strong bad said 'mollybdenum'? [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes. Yes you are. -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== This Might Be a Shout-Out ==

Why the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? My theory: because it featured James K. Polk, who was the subject of a TMBG song. Of course it's a huge stretch, so I'll just put it here and let you guys laugh.
:Ha, ha, ha! That's just like saying "Why the desert? Because it features camels, which have humps, which were the subject of a BEP song. No hard feelings though, right Annony? -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 01:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== 0.999... = 1 ==

The '249.999999' made me think of a certain concept in math, this being that '0.999...' equals 1. Anyone think this is a reference, or am I just putting too much thought into this? I mean, if they rounded the price up to the nearest cent (which is done in cent fractions when they occur in tax, so it presumably would be done here), it'd be $250, so .999999 = 1. I think this deserves at least an 'explanation,' but wanted to ask first and am too lazy really to set up a STUFF at the moment. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:To continue the mathematical theme, the odds of this being a reference rapidly approach zero. Obscure mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make. An explanation might be more appropriate, but the joke seems pretty self-explanatory to me. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::''"mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make"'' - You've never watched Futurama -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 22:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Crush on Marzipan ==

How many times has Coach Z talked to or about Marzipan as if he had a crush on her or was dating her? There was the time he drunk-dialed her on the answering machine and this. Are there any more? Is it enough to warrant a page or an inside joke?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 23:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I could see an argument for setting up a page on Coach Z's and Marzipan's relationship. All in favor? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
::It's a running gag, and a relatiohsip page would also cover the fact that Marzipan hates Coach Z and even had Bubs kick him in the crotch for her. Seconded. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Third. There's more than enough info for it, and I'm pretty surprised it's nt there already.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 16:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== comming back? ==

Is the pink skin of the king of town has anything to with the old idea that he was marzipan's father?
:Probably not. It's speculation. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::And since when is [[The Brothers Strong|looking like each other]] a sign of being [[Pom Pom's Hypothetical Family|related]] in H*R cartoons anyway? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't forget how there's no where indicating any relation between homestar and homsar... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::It has something to do with the fact that KOT has a beard, which causes the skin underneath to not get tan. -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 01:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Actual Publishing Company logo ==

Is the logo for the "Actual Publishing Company" a parody/reference to some other logo? At first, it reminded me of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press Associated Press'] logo, but upon looking at the real logo, I'm not so sure. The "P" in the logo reminds me of another logo, for some publishing company, IIRC, but which one?
:TTATOT [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Internet! ==

I suggested that "Internet" should be capitalized and had my edit reverted. Discuss. (For reference, [[Wikipedia:Internet#The_name_Internet|the Wikipedia article]] on the topic.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 21:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Because i'm an idiot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, drat. I was really hoping for a good ol' flame-grilled argument. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Arguing is stupid. Your face is stupid. Your butt is stupid. Your you is stupid. Flaming is stupid. (Am i doing a good job?) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I'm sorry, this is ''abuse''. "Argument" is two doors down that way. [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
:::::Best. closer. ever, TJDevil.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Presidential Assassinations ==

Did anyone else see the start of the "Presidential Assassinations" diorama (a bush) and think it was going to be "the grassy knoll"? I was really worried there for a couple of seconds. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I wasn't worried, for the simple reason that it was Strong Bad and his unphotographic memory doing the diorama. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 04:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Gavin's family reunion ==
There's no mention of it, but I'd have to guess that one of those cockroaches is Gavin. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 04:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== List Me ==

Can we start a list of all emails where strong bad is helpful like book report, bike thife, making-out, hygene and this one {{unsigned|66.234.218.129|14:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I think it's rather debatable whether Strong Bad is actually being helpful. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 18:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure he means where strong bad is asked for advice/help (usually on a school project) -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::If it's phrased that way, I would probably support it. Also, [[dragon]] would probably fall into that category, since he's attempting to teach Kaizer how to draw. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 22:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I mean where the person ask for help and lets do it
:I think a better way to categorize these would be "Tutorial"-style e-mails, where Strong Bad attempts to give instruction on a given topic. (For what it's worth, it seems to me that quite a few of them also seem to follow the old high-school essay format of Introduction, Option 1, Option 2, Option 3, Conclusion.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Just do it now

== elf ==
anyone ever see that movie? in it, buddy ate cotton balls. real world ref?
:Probably not; I suspect it's just a ref to the fact that the KoT tends to eat anything. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed, it's rather [[TTATOT]]. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 22:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo==
Anyone know why the real world reference to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was removed, especailly the reason why Strong Bad mentions the Rio Grande? -Eaglescout1984 05:07 16 December 2007 (GMT)
:It hasn't been removed, it's in Explanations. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:diorama

2007-12-28T13:12:26Z

Gaeamil: /* Intro */

== The Deciders? ==

I heard "the signers" {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:You are right. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 15:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Soolnds ==
"Dr. Soft-Soolnd's Tan Medical Shoes" is a reference to Strong Sad's Soolnds. This should be mentioned under "Inside Jokes". --Anon {{unsigned|72.1.206.12|15:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=diorama&diff=523947&oldid=523946 added a link in the transcript}}. I think this should be enough... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno, I never actually read the transcripts... I recognized the reference, but not everyone will. [[User:Dalkaen|Dalkaen]] 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Seconded. I rarely read the transcripts, unless I'm not sure what a certain line is. I skip straight to the Fun Facts, so it would nice to have it mentioned down there. [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 19:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I also agree that this should be mentioned under "Inside References". I have tried to place this bit of info there a couple times now but it was removed.--[[User:192.197.71.189|192.197.71.189]] 17:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Simpsons?? ==
The remark regarding the Simpsons episode seems like a stretch at best. I figured I'd open that for discussion before charging in there and deleting it. [[User:Gerta|Gerta]] 15:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z easter egg ==

What does this have anything to do with the email? Is there a connection that i'm missing? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Good question. I also feel that, although the cheating line is obvious, the reason why The Cheat is holding the Lappy is going over my head. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, wait, I get part of the Coach Z scene. The KoT book is supposedly written by "Ronmartin Realdude", the same person Coach Z is allegedly talking to. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, but why would coach z be talking to a fake author about a fake relationship on a fake cell phone? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::That's the joke. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Why does The Cheat cuddle a groadulated sponge called The Denzel? How did Strong Mad shape his mouth into a house and eat a crappy old computer? Why did Homestar make a cardboard girlfriend? Jeez, man! -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think the reason the Cheat is holding the Lappy is because we're assuming he helped Strong Bad with all the internet site stuff for the fake book, since SB isn't exactly advanced to internet level. -Cyndentia
::We're heading into forum speculation but here's what I think: The Cheat's walking off with the Lappy because he's going to design, program and create the book website for Strong Bad's diorama project. As we all know, Strong Bad's lazy and always gets his lackey to do all his work. It would explain why The Cheat makes "agreeing The Cheat noises" when Strong Bad says "It's gotten so hard to cheat these days!" because he's got to make the website. And The Cheat is the one most skilled with technology. Then again, why would he use the Lappy instead of the Tangerine Dreams or Monosodium Dreams? Hmmm. Oh, and Coach Z's irrelevant scene is just there to make you laugh. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure it was in reference to the SedBed's comments that "Cheating is getting harder." I'm pretty sure Teh C is simply absconding with the Lappy, and showing the ease of actual cheating. [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 21:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::::At this point this topic is getting into the realm of speculation, and i would really suggest that we stop now and move it to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed The Cheat was haulin' the laptop simply because it's a visual representation of "It's gotten so hard to cheat", as similarly it's gotten hard to '''be''' a The Cheat. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 17:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== KoT skin color ==

was this the first time we could see the King's skin? if so, can someone put this in the article? -Raltaran
*It's already in there. [[User:Homsarian79|Homsarian79]] 15:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Not a Cat ==

When Strong Bad is talking about the website that Molly would have to make for a fake book, the author blurb mentions that he is "NOT a cat!!" This is the classic line of Evil the Cat from Earthworm Jim, when he's in disguise. Should this be a reference?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. --[[User:72.226.234.136|72.226.234.136]] 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I've never seen the show, so I can't be sure how appropriate it is, but Wikipedia's entry on [[Wikipedia:Evil_the_Cat|Evil the Cat]] does make a pretty good case for it being a reference. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Enough for me. It's up on there. My first caught reference! Woohoo!--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::since some people think its ttatot, should we bring it to stuff? {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 01:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Those who think it's ttatot have not provided other examples of what it could be, i say wait it out. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::"See the edit summary." has gotta be the most descriptive edit summary ever:P. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I should've been more specific. I actually deleted a very similar fact once before; this was already here, then someone posted this:

<blockquote>
*The insistence that the author is not a cat on the bookazon.com website is a reference to the Natsume Soseki classic novel ''I Am a Cat'', a story told from the point view of a cat observing Japanese middle class life.
</blockquote>

...with the edit summary being...

<blockquote>
It could be the Shonen Knife song that also references the novel....
</blockquote>

So, DeFender, there's your "that" (a novel) and "the other thing" (a song). It's too vague to be a concrete reference to anything. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have to agree that a book review asserting to not be a cat made me think of "I Am a Cat" before Evil the Cat, for what it's worth, though the assertion does ''fit'' Evil the Cat. (And YK, I knew what you meant, it was just really funny out of context.) [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::Though FWIW, I don't think TBC have a very big precedent for referencing Japanese stuff. A 90's game/cartoon seems more likely. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::As well, the "author" says at the end: "Did I mention I'm not a cat?" which is ''verbatim'' of Evil's usual line.
::::The "author" does not say that verbatim, though. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Intro ==

*Strong Bad's tone of voice at the beginning of the email could be a reference to the video game [[wikipedia:Portal_%28video_game%29|Portal]], in which the antagonist GLaDOS often mentions cake.
This fact was quickly removed, but it raises a good question (one that i didn't know how to raise in a non-forummy way until now) and that is, what the heck is with the intro? IS it a reference to something? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

His tone of voice and diction sound to me like he's imitating Senor Cardgage. --[[User:69.254.41.106|69.254.41.106]] 19:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so a little computer that is near death and lonely gets made fun of and makes people GLaD and makes them laugh just for eating cake? that is not right. and yes i have the game. and beaten the game. and played the commentary, for the game.GLaDoS's helper [[User:Imdaman]]

I think it's a LOLCATS reference. [http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/images/lolcats/madecookie.jpg This one, specifically.] "I BAKD U A CAKE / IT HAZ RAIZENS" or something. -- 00:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
*I'm fairly confident it's a reference to a scene in [[Wikipedia:Better Off Dead (film)|Better Off Dead]]. There's a running gag about John Cusack's mother being a terrible cook. In the scene in question, she tries a new recipe which results in some kind of weird slime dish with black spots in it. I don't remember the exact dialogue, but I do remember her saying, "It's got... raisins. You like raisins." John Cusack just stares at the lump of slime on his plate until it eventually crawls away. Do any of the regulars agree enough to add it? --[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:SM-716 '''SM-716'''] 04:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

:Personally, I think that this is a reference to the usual cartoon method of, when something's recorded, voice-over certain points to make it say something else. Rarely does it fit, and often it has a different voice, ie in Invader Zim, the candy-selling episode, the "adhesive medical strips."

== Image ==
I think we should have the image be of another diorama example, like James Buchanan must die.-Me

== 99.99.99 ==

Ya know, this is probably far fetched, but $99.99.99 was the most well-known phrase of Mike the TV from the TV Show ReBoot. (The price of the 'Bucket o' Nothing' he was always advertising.) [[User:68.228.89.148|68.228.89.148]] 22:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== King of Town's Adventures ==

I know that "The King of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland" is a reference to "The Cheat's Cheatventures in Moses Maloneland", but I haven't a clue of how to phrase it. Anybody got any ideas? -{{User:Itama/sig}} 23:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really think it *is* a reference, actually... "X's Adventures in X" is a common theme among childrens' books. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::most notably Alice's Adventure's in Wonderland.

== Byoo-cannon ==

* "Byoo-cannon" is also the name of a president. James Buchannon
This fact was recently removed, but i didn't realize this till i read it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Then re-add it. It doesn't sound that good as written, though. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The whole point of it being a "Byoo-cannon" is that it's being used on the clothespin avatar of James Buchanan. That's the joke. It's acknowledged right within the email itself that the target is Buchanan. This fact is thus completely obvious, and should not be added. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No, you misunderstand. I'm not saying it should go back in, as it's definitely explaining the joke. I put it here so that those who are slow (like me) might read it, but i agree it definitely doesn't belong in the article itself. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. That makes more sense. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, how many people cas associate the Old Public Functionary with James Buchanan like that? Other than American History teachers, of course.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps you missed it like I did the first time, but that diorama has a "James Buchanan Gonna Die!" label at the top. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia reference==

The "check your sources" statement could be referencing teachers disallowing Wikipedia as a source. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 01:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic leading to that conclusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The internet comment. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So you're saying that strong bad saying that it's easier for teachers to check something on the internet is a reference to teachers disallowing students from using a certain internet source? That's like saying that my using linux is a reference to people not liking AMD processors. (and in case that didn't make sense, that was the point, there IS no connection) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Smiling ==

Strong Bad smiles when discussing the dinosaur attacking the treaty signers, can someone make this edit, as all my edits seem to get immediately deleted.

I think he smiles in like, every other cartoon, now. I don't think it's worth mentioning anymore.-Lappy z
:We actually had a [[Talk:Strong Bad Smiling#Notable?|discussion]] on whether or not that gag is worth recording at all, but it's too hard for some people here to decide if it is truly impossible for "happy" to be an opposite of "evil". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Robots ==
A cardboard robot is shown twice, this should be mentioned as an inside reference.
:Something has to be shown three times or more to be an inside reference, and it doesn't even count if it only appears in one toon a few times. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
::I think he's talking about cardboard and [[robots]]... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== One off ==
When Strong Bad is talking about assasinations, his examples are one president before actual assasinated or attempted assasinated presidents. For example, Jimmy Carter was president before Reagan, who was shot, but didn't die. And James Buchanan was right before Lincoln, who was shot in Ford's theatre.-Lappy z (not logged in)

:I think that's pretty much the joke. Everyone with rudimentary knowledge of the presidents would know that those two didn't get killed, and Strong Bad was just being silly. Especially since, both times, the assassin was a robot. But that is interesting that he's one president off each time. I don't think it's worth a mention, really. Make it an added bonus joke for knowing your presidents. ;) --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Eating Non-Food Items ==

Should the fact that the king of town eats a non-food item (The cotton balls) be mentioned on this page? It is allready mentioned on [[Eating Non-Food Items]] [[User:24.64.223.204|24.64.223.204]]

== Chemical add in ==

Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and I am right
:Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and you are late. ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 14:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
::Am I the only one that thought of 'moldy-bread-enum' when strong bad said 'mollybdenum'? [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes. Yes you are. -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== This Might Be a Shout-Out ==

Why the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? My theory: because it featured James K. Polk, who was the subject of a TMBG song. Of course it's a huge stretch, so I'll just put it here and let you guys laugh.
:Ha, ha, ha! That's just like saying "Why the desert? Because it features camels, which have humps, which were the subject of a BEP song. No hard feelings though, right Annony? -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 01:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== 0.999... = 1 ==

The '249.999999' made me think of a certain concept in math, this being that '0.999...' equals 1. Anyone think this is a reference, or am I just putting too much thought into this? I mean, if they rounded the price up to the nearest cent (which is done in cent fractions when they occur in tax, so it presumably would be done here), it'd be $250, so .999999 = 1. I think this deserves at least an 'explanation,' but wanted to ask first and am too lazy really to set up a STUFF at the moment. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:To continue the mathematical theme, the odds of this being a reference rapidly approach zero. Obscure mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make. An explanation might be more appropriate, but the joke seems pretty self-explanatory to me. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::''"mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make"'' - You've never watched Futurama -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 22:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Crush on Marzipan ==

How many times has Coach Z talked to or about Marzipan as if he had a crush on her or was dating her? There was the time he drunk-dialed her on the answering machine and this. Are there any more? Is it enough to warrant a page or an inside joke?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 23:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I could see an argument for setting up a page on Coach Z's and Marzipan's relationship. All in favor? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
::It's a running gag, and a relatiohsip page would also cover the fact that Marzipan hates Coach Z and even had Bubs kick him in the crotch for her. Seconded. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Third. There's more than enough info for it, and I'm pretty surprised it's nt there already.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 16:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== comming back? ==

Is the pink skin of the king of town has anything to with the old idea that he was marzipan's father?
:Probably not. It's speculation. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::And since when is [[The Brothers Strong|looking like each other]] a sign of being [[Pom Pom's Hypothetical Family|related]] in H*R cartoons anyway? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't forget how there's no where indicating any relation between homestar and homsar... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::It has something to do with the fact that KOT has a beard, which causes the skin underneath to not get tan. -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 01:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Actual Publishing Company logo ==

Is the logo for the "Actual Publishing Company" a parody/reference to some other logo? At first, it reminded me of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press Associated Press'] logo, but upon looking at the real logo, I'm not so sure. The "P" in the logo reminds me of another logo, for some publishing company, IIRC, but which one?
:TTATOT [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Internet! ==

I suggested that "Internet" should be capitalized and had my edit reverted. Discuss. (For reference, [[Wikipedia:Internet#The_name_Internet|the Wikipedia article]] on the topic.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 21:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Because i'm an idiot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, drat. I was really hoping for a good ol' flame-grilled argument. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Arguing is stupid. Your face is stupid. Your butt is stupid. Your you is stupid. Flaming is stupid. (Am i doing a good job?) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I'm sorry, this is ''abuse''. "Argument" is two doors down that way. [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]

== Presidential Assassinations ==

Did anyone else see the start of the "Presidential Assassinations" diorama (a bush) and think it was going to be "the grassy knoll"? I was really worried there for a couple of seconds. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:I wasn't worried, for the simple reason that it was Strong Bad and his unphotographic memory doing the diorama. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 04:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== Gavin's family reunion ==
There's no mention of it, but I'd have to guess that one of those cockroaches is Gavin. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 04:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

== List Me ==

Can we start a list of all emails where strong bad is helpful like book report, bike thife, making-out, hygene and this one {{unsigned|66.234.218.129|14:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I think it's rather debatable whether Strong Bad is actually being helpful. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 18:17, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure he means where strong bad is asked for advice/help (usually on a school project) -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 00:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::If it's phrased that way, I would probably support it. Also, [[dragon]] would probably fall into that category, since he's attempting to teach Kaizer how to draw. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 22:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::I mean where the person ask for help and lets do it
:I think a better way to categorize these would be "Tutorial"-style e-mails, where Strong Bad attempts to give instruction on a given topic. (For what it's worth, it seems to me that quite a few of them also seem to follow the old high-school essay format of Introduction, Option 1, Option 2, Option 3, Conclusion.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Just do it now

== elf ==
anyone ever see that movie? in it, buddy ate cotton balls. real world ref?
:Probably not; I suspect it's just a ref to the fact that the KoT tends to eat anything. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed, it's rather [[TTATOT]]. [[User:EASports|EASports]] 22:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo==
Anyone know why the real world reference to the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was removed, especailly the reason why Strong Bad mentions the Rio Grande? -Eaglescout1984 05:07 16 December 2007 (GMT)
:It hasn't been removed, it's in Explanations. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

2007-12-26T12:55:16Z

Gaeamil: /**/Needs a rewrite

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out. This is basically an organizational thing. If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER. Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results. It's just a way to make things easier to find. And that's the point right? Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right. Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored. You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies. This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance . The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page! The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary. I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''. Keep this page. I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat. I made that edit. Leave it out, then... {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna take the whole fact out. In addition to the "he could do laundry that doesn't consist of wearable clothes", which is totally valid, it's been established that he does ''own'' quite a few articles of clothing. Yes, he doesn't wear them often, and he says so in his journal, but that doesn't prevent him from ever doing laundry. (analogy: I don't really wear suits. But I do ''own'' a suit. If I were to say something like "Did you take my suit to the cleaners?" it wouldn't really be an inconsistency with my not generally wearing suits.) In other words, I think one should interpret the line as "I don't really wear clothes [very often]" rather than "I don't really wear clothes [ever]" because, well, he sometimes does. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. It's true. I say it can go on the page. Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing. I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon. That's the Goofs section. If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that. I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic. If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted. He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene. I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter. Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario. Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe". If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for. This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons. Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose. Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be. I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress. What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now. Thanks. That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] — It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] — Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] — After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) — Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Michael.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either. It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything? The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please. Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised. 
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument. The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted. I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad and Limozeen ==

If the inconsistency on the very bottom of the list was removed from [[concert#Remarks]], should I remove it from this article as well? I think it's suspicious enough to stay here. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it needs removed from either. I was kinda wondering about that (the inconsistency) myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think of it 'til I noticed the fun fact. It's actually a pretty interesting tidbit, and should stay here and there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it should stay only here, because strong sad could of forgot, or he might not of paid attention to the show that much, or any number of reasons like those. So we can keep it here, take it out on the page, and mention what i said here along with the remark.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Considering how pushy Strong Bad is with his opinions, I find it hard to believe that anyone what lives in the same town, let alone the same house, has never heard of Limozeen.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 17:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Strong Sad paid enough attention for him to complain that there was no reason for them to be in space, so he probably knew the name of the show at least. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think that the reason Strong Sad hasn't heard of Limozeen is probably because it was ''before'' he watched that Saturday morning cartoon. In the laundry room scene in email 175, you should notice that there are no seashells on the washer and dryer knobs. And at the end of [[redesign|email 153]], the seashells are hot glued on the knobs. Obviously, the laundry room scene might have taken place ''before'' emails 126 and 153. Just my theory. [[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's undies ==
I removed this fact. It seems like this page should be reserved for actual factual inconsistencies. It's not really verifiable whether Strong Bad was wearing underwear when he said it. Frankly, it always seemed to me like he was making stuff up to begin with. ("I'm all macho. I go commando! I am awesome!") It's not inconsistant, SB was just clearly lying [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Or he just didn't understand the concept of "Going Commando" when he said it. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 14:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::DAGRON misled you, StarLion. He was paraphrasing, not quoting directly. SB actually says, "But you made my underwears showing! Everybody knows I don't wear underwears!" {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Erm, I wasn't trying to deceive anyone, if that's what you mean. I was just trying to explain my reasoning.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 04:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== or maybe... ==

maybe [[carrot and kazoo hill]] and where [[pom pom]] was flipping were on different sides of [[Free Country USA]] [[User:Imdaman]]
: Doesnt work. Was one of the first things i thought of. the position of the flag relative to the fence, and the Tire, disprove this. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Needs a rewrite ==

*[[Happy Hallow-Day]] — Since Halloween night is missing, the [[Spooky Woods]] are in a less spooky state, but even though it wasn't Halloween in [[Where's the Cheat?]], the woods were still spooky.

All I can say reading this is "What? Huh? Since they were 'less spooky but still spooky,' it's a discrepancy?" It either needs to be rewritten more intelligibly, or removed.

Homestar Runner universe

2007-12-26T12:47:16Z

Gaeamil: /* Sub-universes */ I know it's not much of an instance of Peasantry, but it's not much of an addition either...

[[Image:Sketchbook 3-8-07.PNG|thumb|Entirely untrue. For reals.]]
The '''Homestar Runner universe''' is the [[Wikipedia:Fictional universe|fictional realm]] in which the characters of the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work live and breathe, as created chiefly by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Within the main universe are [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], and the other main characters living in [[Free Country, USA]]. Their universe is much like our own; for example, they live in houses, eat food, go to work, watch TV, use the Internet, play sports, celebrate [[holidays]], and do other normal things. At the same time, there are certain elements of the universe that show that they are in a cartoon; for example, through [[Wikipedia:cartoon physics|cartoon physics]], [[Homsar]] can survive being crushed by a [[Heavy Lourde|giant weight]], and sometimes [[Twin Characters|more than one of the same character]] are on the screen at the same time.

==Sub-universes==
Several fictional universes also exist within the framework of the main universe. Each of the sub-universes is produced by one or more of the characters (sometimes unseen) within the context of the main universe.
*[[Cheap as Free]] Comics — Originally imagined by Strong Bad. [[Strong Badman]] and [[Strong Badman Characters#Stiny|Stiny]] get coffee and make death rays.
*[[Cheat Commandos]] — Animated series featuring characters that resemble [[The Cheat]]. [[Crack Stuntman]] is a main universe voice actor who does the voice of [[Gunhaver]]. [[A. Chimendez]] writes most or all of the episodes, and main characters play with the toys available from the series.
*[[Dangeresque (film series)|Dangeresque]] — Film series produced by Strong Bad. Dangeresque, a wisecracking action hero, fights both "the law, and also the crime (but not as much)" with the help of Renaldo.
*[[Folk Tale World]] — The product of [[Strong Sad]]'s imagination. The setting of [[A Folky Tale|The Folky Tale of Saddy Dumpington]].
*[[The Li'l Brudder Show]] — A television program based on a drawing by Strong Bad. Li'l Brudder, a one-legged dog, tries to make it on his own.
*[[Peasantry]]/Trogdor universe — The primary setting of the [[Videlectrix]] games [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]].
*[[Powered by The Cheat]] — The Cheat's poorly animated version of the main universe in which everything always works out well for him. He apparently does the voices for his toons somehow.
*[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] — Originally imagined by Strong Bad, upon being asked to make a [[crazy cartoon]].
*[[Teen Girl Squad]] — Drawn by Strong Bad. Four girls between the ages of 13 and 19 try to meet boys and look so good.
*[[Thy Dungeonman]] — Another Videlectrix game. A series of [[Wikipedia:Interactive fiction|text adventures]] about the adventures of [[Thy Dungeonman (character)|Thy Dungeonman]].

==Universe variations==
Variations of the main Homestar Runner universe feature the main characters in altered versions of themselves. The email [[alternate universe]] blurred the lines between the main universe, the sub-universes, and the universe variations, featuring them as existing all at once.
*It is strongly implied that the [[Old-Timey]] and [[20X6]] exist as the past and future histories within the continuity of the main universe. The middle- and high-school and microscopic variations may be an extension of this, depending on how reliable Strong Bad's so-called doodle memory is.
*The main characters are occasionally featured as [[Puppet Stuff|real-life versions]] of themselves.
*The entire body of work began with the characters in [[Original Book|book form]].

==Inconsistencies within the universe==
In a body of work as large as The Brothers Chaps have created, continuity from one toon to the next is almost impossible to maintain.
:''See main article: [[Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe]]''

==As a term==
The phrase "Homestar Runner universe" has been used several times within the body of work itself.
*[[Marzipan]] is known as the only girl in the main universe, which is explored in depth on the DVD feature [[Why Come Only One Girl?]].
*A summary for the [[Podstar Runner#haircut|Podstar Runner release]] of [[haircut]] notes that there is "Very little hair on the scalps of the Homestar Runner universe."
*The phrase was featured in the [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-03-08|sketchbook]] (see image above).
*In the DVD commentary for [[retirement]], while talking about the auto hole formatting, Strong Bad remarks that "there's a lot of autoformatting that goes on in my universe."

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Talk:Drive-Thru Whale

2007-12-26T12:38:48Z

Gaeamil: /* Rename */

== Delete? ==

Please '''don't delete''' this! I spent a long time on this. I always create stuff and it always gets deleted. I'll do anything if you don't delete this. It is one of the main reasons in a toon. It fits all the things a page needs to have. It even has it's picture. If it was part of the comment, I can change it.
:I agree. I don't know why the delete template was put up without comment, anyway. It's a major part of a toon, and I see no reason to delete it. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 19:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see no reason to remove the delete tags without a full discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it fits all the things it needs to have. Even Dr.Clash Agrees with me. Why would you delete. Even ask Dr.CDlash or anyone else (maybe not [[User:Phlip|Phlip]] ) and they will agree that it should not be deleted. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::I know there's no reason to remove the tags wothout discussion, but is there a reason to put them there without discussion, either. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::1) Stop begging not to have your page deleted. That's ''very, very'' annoying. Nonetheless... 2) I think this is a perfectly legit article. It's an item that plays a major part in [[Drive-Thru]]. So, '''DON'T DELETE''' --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 19:59, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::'''Maybe don't delete it.''' I haven't decided yet. But at the very least, it needs a serious rewrite. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Find a place to '''merge''' it to until it gets another appearance. --[[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]] 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Originally I was going to add a mention to [[The Field]], but there doesn't seem to be any room for that... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Look I'm not whining anymore but all the people agree. You should consider it, It's dot com. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::::::You ''aren't whining''?! "''Please don't delete this! I spent a long time on this. I'll do anything if you don't delete this.''". That certainly sounds like whining. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 20:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Is it okay if delete to be deleted tag? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:::::::::::::Nope. Let an administrator do it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::I say '''delete''' it. I mean, I'll wait to see if it comes up again, but I don't think that we really need this page.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 21:00, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::'''Keep'''. It's significant enough for article in my mind since it's a central part of the short. I don't think we need to hold specific items like this to the same standard as generic items (i.e., pizza, ducks etc.) or running gags in terms of needing multiple appearances. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:06, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::There are tons of items on [[Items]] that've only been seen once, anyway. Heck, [[Doreauxgard]]'s only been seen once, and look how we treat him. Definitely '''KEEP'''. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 21:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::'''Keep''', for above reasons. Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if this fellow shows up again in another toon, if only as a cameo. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I also say '''keep''' it. It's an important enough element of the toon to merit its own page. A rewrite might not be a bad idea though. Has anyone posted a clear, specific reason why it's even been nominated for deletion??? ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 21:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC))
:::::::::::::::::Say that to Phlip. He was the one who nominated it for deletion. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
::::::::::::::::::'''KEEP'''. I don't think I need to restate what has already been said. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Re-Indenting) '''Keep''' again! I say keep again! --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:: '''Wait'''. I think it might make another appearance. Maybe. We should get some votes before we take action. --[[User:Collin Diver|Collin Diver]] 23:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::: '''Note:''' I added the {{tl|tbd}} template because it's the sort of borderline-notable topic that deserves a "should we keep this" discussion... I don't really have an opinion one way or the other, I just put the template there so that the discussion would happen... note that the template says "is being considered for deletion" – which is exactly what this discussion is doing. I didn't start the discussion when I put the template up, because it was late at night, I was tired, and wasn't really capable of forming coherent arguments... so I went to bed in the knowledge that when I came back the discussion would have started without me. That the consensus seems to be "keep it" is fine by me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
::::No please! I have no idea whats going on but I read the first and second to last comment! Dont kill off the Drive-thru Whale page! He's my favorite! I learned some good crap about him when I read this page! Please dont delete it! Okay... I'm done.... ^-^ [[User:65.34.72.52|65.34.72.52]] 23:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

== Character? ==

Should the drive-thru whale be considered a character? Specifically, do we think that the source of the voice is (a) the whale itself, (b) someone inside the whale, or (c) someone somewhere else whose voice comes through the loudspeaker inside the whale. Relevant to this discussion are the following pieces of data:
#The whale speaks as if it is merely a loudspeaker.
#In one scene, the camera looks out from the inside of the whale's mouth.
#The whale eats the lobster.
#The whale launches itself into [[Outer Space]].
#1 seems to suggest conclusion (c), #2 and #4 seem to suggest conclusion (b), and #3 seems to suggest conclusion (a). I realize that any result we come up with is going to be speculation, but I think it's a necessary thing to discuss so that we know whether to classify it as a [[Characters|character]], an [[Unseen Characters|unseen character]], or an [[Items|item]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
:This is tough, as it doesn't fit neatly into one category. I'd say "Character" is the best fit. It seems self-aware enough to interact with other characters, and clearly has its own wants and needs in life--specifically to cause dismemberment and eat a space lobster.([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 22:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC))

::Yeah, I think I agree with you — in fact, I think that the joke might be that throughout the whole short, Strong Bad thought it was simply a drive-thru device, but after he left it turned out to be a creature (evidenced by the lobster-eating and space-launching). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:41, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

:::I believe it to be a pseudocharacter, only because (from [[Pseudocharacters]])...
:::<blockquote>Pseudocharacters are items in the Homestar Runner universe that at some time or another are treated (and in some cases behave) as real characters. They variously talk, move, and interact with the main characters and the audience. Most pseudocharacters are totally depicted as inanimate objects except for a handful of appearances.</blockquote>
:::Even The Paper, which could answer commands, get sick, etc. is called a pseudocharacter. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 20:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

== Mailbox ==

Does any one else see a slight connection between the drive-thru whale and [[The Mailbox]]? Both of them are alone in the middle of a feild, apparently far away from the buildings they should be close to.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:It's true. Maybe we should put a link to the Mailbox. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Sweetie Cakes! ==

After the mini-golf email, can we count this whale as a Sweet Cuppin Cakes character? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:I mean, can we add this article to a Sweet Cuppin' Cakes category? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

At least wait 'til the whale has another apparance along side Eh! Steve and the others. It could just be a one off after all. [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 20:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Sketchbook vs. mini-golf ==

How is the [[:Image:Drive-Thru Putt Place.png|mini-golf image]] better than [[:Image:Sketchbook 3-22-2007.png|Sketchbook one]]? The mini-golf image is very similar to the one that's always been the page, making it redundant. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:That was my first reaction, too. Yet with the current image it shows that it's in the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes universe, as well as the Homestar Runner universe. Honestly, I thought it was fine before.. but I also think it's fine now. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::But isn't the Sketchbook image more important? I mean, it shows his evolution. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Nah, i have always thought that actual images are more important than sketchbook ones. (Sketchbook images aren't REALLY part of the evolution... just background) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Rename ==

[[Blubb-o's Whale]] end of story. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Superb justifications! Anyways, agree. It's clearly Blubb-o's's mascot. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 17:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Or, is the whale's name actually [[Blubb-o]]? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::You guys know that TBC only did this to screw with us... they like to keep us HRWikians on our toes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Trey: Didn't the bag say "You guessed it... '''We''''re called Blubbo-o's!", referring to the fastfood place instead of its mascot? --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 18:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Of course, but who could Blubbo be other than a blubbery whale? On a somewhat related note, "Blubba" and "Baron von Blubba" are the names of two whales in ''[[Wikipedia:Bubble Bobble|Bubble Bobble]]'' — not saying it's a reference, just that it made me think of that great game. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Trey, those guys aren't whales... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::They's bubble dragons. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::No, click on the link, and search the page for "Blubba" — you'll see that they are indeed whales. I'm not talking about the heroes; I'm talking about two enemies. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But, um, back to the back to the article. I think [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be better, since despite that the whale's name would be Blubb-o's or whatever, he still IS the mascot for a restaurant called Blubb-o's. So, regardless of what his name is, it's still the Blubb-o's Whale. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 10:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I disagree — to me, it's fairly evident that Blubb-o is the whale's name, so it's redundant to call him Blubbo's whale. It's like if a guy named Jerry owned a tire store called "Jerry's Tires", and everybody referred to him as "the Jerry's Tires owner" because they couldn't figure out his name. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Trey: Like many food mascots, the whale's name is most likely to be named in something similar to the restaurant (i.e. Ronald McDonald for McDonald's). He's name could be "Blubb-o Blub", "Bill Blubb-o" or anything else for that matter. The best way we can describe in this now, is [[Blubb-o's Whale]]. So, yes, I support the move. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe the DVD commentary for [[Drive-Thru]] would be helpful. For the sake of everyone, partial commentary beginning from when SB hits the drive-thru whale:

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, uh... This— This was really unsettling, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' The... drive-thru whale?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah. Wha— I— Was he from some type of a seafood restaurant or something?

'''MIKE:''' Uh... that serves whale?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh!

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughing}'' Why would you—

'''STRONG BAD:''' Maybe. Maybe that'd be good. Blubber sandwiches.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Blubb-o's, maybe it'd be called. ''{pause}'' Um, but later on, doesn't this guy show up in Sweet Cuppin' Cakes land?

'''MIKE:''' He does.

:So, here's how I see it. Clearly the mascot came before the name of the restaurant, and it seems the name of the restaurant was decided based on the type of sandwiches that might be sold and not based on the mascot. So, until TBC come right out and tell us what this whale's name is, I opine that we <s>keep it at what Mike called it ([[Drive-Thru Whale]]) or</s> rename it [[Blubb-o's Whale]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::Perhaps "Blubb-o The Whale? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I oppose renaming it. I would argue that "drive-thru whale" is what TBC use to describe it, and so should we. Renaming it [[Blubb-o's Whale]] is not an improvement in my opinion. Also, any guesses on its actual name (if any) should not be in the article and especially not in the title.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Agree with '''no rename''', per Loafing. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::'''I see no reason to change its name.''' Strong Bad refers to it as a "crackly drive-thru whale," in [[Drive-Thru]] Just because it appeared on a bag of food does not mean we should rename it. I really think that the Drive-Thru Whale is just the mascot or icon for Blubbo's.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 23:18, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I've already said that either keeping the name as-is ''or'' calling it [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be fine. But, I've since decided that '''the name ought to be changed'''. Why? Because the whale is the mascot whether or not it is the drive-thru speaker. Consider its appearance on [[:Image:blubb-o's bag.png|the bag]] in [[nightlife]]. No pole coming out from beneath it, no speaker in its teeth. So, regarding importance, it's a mascot first, a drive-thru speaker second. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::'''I agree'''. "Drive-Thru Whale" is no longer a satisfactory name for what this is, as it has been clearly used as something more than just a drive-thru device.-[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 00:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Why not split the difference and call it The Blubb-o's Mascot?--[[User:66.184.136.68|66.184.136.68]] 02:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Without a clearer definition of what Blubb-o's is, we should just leave this article where it is. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::If the only thing it's been definitely called, by Mike and/or Strong Bad, so far is "Drive-Thru Whale", then that's what the name should stay, at least for the time being. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::This character is a drive-thru speaker to take your order. It might just be moddled after the Blubb-o's mascot. '''I would rename it Blubb-o's Drive-Thru Whale'''.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 16:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Too long, Clanky, too long! --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 17:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I think that this article '''should be renamed''' to [[Blubb-o's Whale]]. We can't really call it "Drive-Thru Whale" anymore, mainly because we have found what restaurant it is a mascot for.

Let's take Ronald McDonald for an instance. If I didn't know the name of him or McDonald's, I'd call it simply Burger Place Clown. If I then learnt that the Burger Place Clown is a mascot for a restaurant called McDonald's, I'd start calling it the McDonald's Clown, since it's much more descriptive. Simple as that.

Then we have the whale. We don't know it's name for sure, and we didn't know the restaurant name, so we called it simply Drive-Thru Whale. Then we learnt that the Drive-Thru Whale is a mascot for a restaurant called Blubb-o's, and now you can do the math.

Now, if in some future toon the whale's name was revealed for good, it should obviously be renamed to that. But until that, a rename to [[Blubb-o's Whale]] would be the best choice. --{{User:Sysrq868/sig}} 17:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

:Personally, I vote '''leave it'' until there's a bit more to know. For one thing, the redirecting and rewriting of all the places that link here would be an epic battle. Until we're sure, leave it at the place of least effort. And recall, TBC may throw us a real slippery one and give us another random reference to it. I know, there's peobably no evidence for them doing it before, but I have a feeling...--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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==Keep==

Do we need this article? It is thuroghly obvious that these characters have '''the''' as a part of their first name. Perhaps if this is not noted in each of the named characters' transcripts, then it should be added, but I fail to see why this is a necessary article. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:52, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Lets try to clean this up a little bit, then see if it is needed. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:52, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

::Okay then. Let's clean this article up. Don't forget to wash where the sun don't shine. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I created this article, and I don't know how to use pictures, so it was sort of messy. Thanks for cleaning that up for me. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 21:16, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:I don't see a need for this article. Of all the people in the to-do list below and on the page, the only ones that really stand out are The Cheat (and his variations), The Poopsmith, The Paper, and The Homestar Runner. All the rest seem to be general descriptions. The information contained in this article is already on the various pages. Does concentrating it all here really help? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh come on. Please don't delete it! It's clearly a running gag because 8-10 people/things have that "the" in their name. It's just happened with so many things that you can't just ignore it! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 19:56, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:I have no plans to delete it unless there is a consensus to do so. In the meantime, why don't you clean it up to improve its chances of making the cut. Focus on those people you feel are legitimate. But note: ''things'' should be in the list at all. It's completely natural to refer to a thing using a definite article. For example, you would say, "Are you going to ''the'' mall later?", but that doesn't make "the" part of its name. Likewise, they call it ''the'' Stick because it's the only one. The only places where this running gag is noteworthy are in cases like: "Hey, The Cheat, make me some breakfast." In real life, you wouldn't normally address someone like that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

::By the way, I just realized where The Stick ''is'' addressed that way: [[labor day]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I will. I'll have to figure out how to do that and find out exactly how many people apply to this now, but I hope I can save this thing. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

(humoungous sigh)....Oh well. Excluding PseudoCharacters like It's Dot Com over there said, and The Cheat (whose definite article was noted on his character page), all I came up with was The Strong Man, The Homestar Runner, and The Sneak (The Cheat related). If you note somewhere on the Old-Timey page that those guys share the definite article factor, you can delete it. I'm okay with it. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:<s>So..... this thing seems like............ we dont need it. It seems kinda stupid. Just my opionion. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)</s>

:Gee, thanks for pointing out the obvious, Mr-or-Ms-Points-Out-The-Obvious. I think we've already established the fact that my article is stupid and needs to be deleted. Don't make me feel worse! -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I have two things to say. One, sorry for yelling at you Bubsty. I was extremely ticked off at the moment. That wasn't nice. And two, will this be deleted or won't it? I don't know. By the discussion above, it seems like someone would've gotten around to deleting it if they really wanted to. But there hasn't been action for days, so I'm kind of puzzled. I want it to stay, personally, but let's not leave ourselves out in the dark, alright? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 18:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

::Hey, cool! After six days of talking to myself on the article here, I guess the page won't be deleted! Of course, if that's the case, why is it still pending deletion? I guess I'll just take it off of the list, then! Here I go!-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 21:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Wait, don't take the tags off just yet. We haven't reached a consensus. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::I was bluffing. And just being strange. I don't even know how to take the tags off. How long does it take to reach a consensus? STUFF takes two weeks. Does that apply to this, too? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 21:16, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Here, it's just when most of us agree. I think. If an admin came around right now, it might help to ask them. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::::This can probably stay for a while and see if it's useful. I just linked to it from another page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Sorry Brightstar. That was an edit I made when I was a boring new person and didn't know anything. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 03:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry if this is a little late, but that's okay. I'm not offended.-[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 21:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

==To-do list==
<s>''The Barbershop Trio, The Bossman, The Dapper Swindler, The Demon, The Football Player, The Ghost, The Guys, The Kaiser, The Announcer, The Yello Dello, The Sad Kids, The King of Town, The Poopsmith, The Knight, The Hornblower, The Bishop, The Blacksmith, The Little Chef Guy, The Umpire, The Robot, The Grape Fairie, The Prince of Town, The Jolly Dumple, The Stick, The Goblin, 20X6 The Cheat, The Angel, The Popular Vote, The First Decemberween, The Deathly Pallor, The Thnikkaman, The Red and Blue Knights, The Three Keepers of Trogdor, The Worm, The Dancing Brothers, The Mayor, The Townsfolk''</s>

I don't think that all of the characters currently listed in the comments are appropriate for this page. I think that just a name starting with "the" is not the same as having "The" as an actual PART OF the name. For instance, "The King of Town" is addressed directly as "King of Town" whereas "The Cheat" is almost always "The Cheat" i.e. "Hi King of Town" vs. "Hi The Cheat!" {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:35, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:I agree. The Red and Blue Knights, the Mayor, and the Townsfolk sound more like general descriptions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree with the previous comments.. Let's only put the ones on there that we have actually confirmed have the definite article there (i.e. someone has actually said something to them like "Hey, The Cheat"). The Stick, The Thnikkaman, and The Poopsmith are the only ones on that list I have confirmed so far. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 23:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Anything that has not been officially named, but has a "The" in its wiki-name should not be included on this page (The Worm, The Angel, The Demon...). Anything that has a natural "the" in it should not be on the page either (The Townsfolk...). —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== Why Strong Man? ==

Why is Strong Man on this page? What definite article does he have? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 23:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:He is always referred to as The Strong Man whenever someone talks about him. It's kind of a gray area. Much like this page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:54, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I just looked at the Strong Man page. You're right. And changing the name of the gallery picture was a smart idea. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]]

== A note on The Stick. ==

The Stick should count as a definite article, as in [[origins]], Strong Bad types it as 'The Stick', a proper noun. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== The Ugly One ==

I went ahead and added [[The Ugly One]] to this list in reference to [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]], which introduced [[Manolios Ugly One]]. Manolios's name suggests that his daughter's first name is "The" and her last name is "Ugly One". In addition, I believe she's been referred to as "The Ugly One" in a sentence once or twice, like "The Ugly One, you can go here". Specific references fail me at the moment, however. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:Reference confirmed: In Issue 10, Strong Bad puts himself in the toon to make out with her, and his line is "Why, hello, '''The Ugly One''', you're looking so makey-outy tonight." {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
::It was confirmed before then in [[theme park]], I believe. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, you're pwobabwy wight. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== I think I has the solution ==

I like the concept behind this article, but first I'm going to explain at excruciating length what's fatally wrong with it, and then I'll show you how I'm going to fix it.

What I like is a page, particularly in the Running Gags category, explaining how certain names include "The" in constructions where an article would be grammatically inappropriate. This is a feature of the Homestarniverse that is both somewhat pervasive and reasonably unique, thus worth noting.

However, the phrase "The Definite Article" seems to have been latched onto as a label for this, and that's wrong and confusing. You barely have to read [[Wikipedia:Article (grammar)|Wikipedia's Article article]] to realize that, in English, ''any'' grammatical instance of the word "the" is a definite article. And here we're talking about ''non''-grammatical uses of "The". An article that is not grammatical is scarcely an article at all. I've seen this referred to on the wiki as the "The Cheat Rule", which I like far better because it's more self-describing—this is one of The Cheat's defining characteristics, after all—and because of the apropos doubling of the "the".

The larger problem with this page is it seems to have missed the point. It describes the phenomenon, and then proceeds to list ''every'' name that ever had a "the" attached to it, which is completely different and completely unnoteworthy. Just because someone like The Poopsmith is referred to with a definite article frequently—even if the article is capitalized in writing—that does not subject them to the The Cheat Rule because it is not ''necessarily'' treating the article as integral to their name. It's no different from The Flash, Bruce "The Boss" Springsteen, or many other instances throughout our language and culture where someone or something is frequently named with an article.

What makes The Cheat and his fellow subjects to the Rule different is that the article is included ''in defiance of the rules of grammar'', something that (to my knowledge) never happens to Bruce Springsteen. For example, the usage "my very own The Cheat" is grammatically bizarre. The Poopsmith, in contrast, has broken the Rule explicitly a number of times, such as the KoT's claim in his own character video that he "employs a Poopsmith".

Of course, this is complicated by the fact that TBC are not necessarily consistent with their application of the Rule, as evidenced on Strong Bad's epitaph: "kicking Cheats in the hereafter". It's also complicated by the fact that instances of a name that confirm the Rule and instances that break the Rule are generally outnumbered by instances that do neither. So it's not always clear whether a given name is subject to the Rule. You have to analyze each appearance case-by-case. But here's a guide.

Use of an article (definite or indefinite) in any of the following contexts where an article is grammatically incorrect confirms that the The Cheat Rule is being applied:
*When someone or something is being addressed directly by name (i.e., the name is in the [[Wikipedia:Vocative case|vocative case]]). "High five, The Stick!"
*Following another article. "Out poured...a The Cheat!"
*Following an [[Wikipedia:Adjective|adjectival]] or [[Wikipedia:Possession (linguistics)|possessive]] phrase. "The Foul Stench of Wet The Cheat" "My very own The Cheat!"
*Following a number or other quantifier. "500 The Cheats"
*Very tricky: When the name is plural and it clearly refers to a general population, ''not'' to a specific group. For example, suppose Strong Bad's epitaph had read, "kicking the Cheats in the hereafter" (and we pretend for now that capitalization doesn't matter). If he meant some squad of four or five Cheats that we had met previously, this would explicitly break the Rule. (To apply the Rule in this situation, he would have had to use something like "kicking those The Cheats".) If he meant "The Cheats" as a species he would generally kick, it would confirm the Rule.

Any other appearance of an article is grammatically acceptable (although I'm sure someone will think of a few cases I didn't), and thus inconclusive as far as the Rule is concerned. Of course, for an instance to ''break'' the Rule, the expected article simply has to be omitted when grammar rules require it to be omitted. So "I don't lets the Poopsmith near it" and "They've stolen my Poopsmith" are both grammatically acceptable (at least as far as articles are concerned); as applications of the Rule, the first sentence is inconclusive while the second one breaks it.

So the proper role of this page, if you ask me, is a list of ''only'' those names that have had the The Cheat Rule applied to them in at least one ''confirmed'' instance, which wipes out the majority of the current list. However, since the title of the page is also inappropriate, I'm not going to bother editing it. I'm going to make a [[Integral Article|new page]] based on this one, open it up for comments, and, if public opinion permits, eventually turn this page into a redirect. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 16:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:This page suffered severe scope creep somewhere along the way. I believe [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Definite_Article&oldid=249387 this] is the last version of the article to adhere to the true intent. So I think you're on to something. I don't think, however, that "The Cheat Rule" should be the name of the article. I do see your point about "Definite Article", though. How about "Ungrammatical Definite Article" or "Extra The" or something? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

::Personally, my favored alternate was "Integral Article". Note that the same rule ''could'' be applied to an indefinite article, although I don't think there is currently a real example of this. Imagine Strong Bad solidifying the phrase "a cold one" by saying, "Pom Pom, get your... nub... off my a cold one." --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:My primary objection to [calling this page "The Cheat Rule"] is the title. I've never heard of this (or anything else) referred to as "The Cheat Rule," and I don't think we should make up arbitrary terminology. If there's some precedent that I'm missing, however, please educate me. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 17:58, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

::There's a slight precedent. The phrase is used in the Remarks for the [[replacement]] email. It appears to have been coined by [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], the original author of that page. I chose it as an alternative to "Definite Article" for the reasons stated above, and also as a tongue-in-cheek nod to "No rule is solid" from The Cheat's [[Yearbook Character Page]]. I'm not terribly attached to it, but keep in mind we're talking about a usage that has no official name in linguistics because it doesn't conform to proper grammar. And TBC have never, to my knowledge, acknowledged it with a specific term. We ''have'' to make up arbitrary terminology. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Still, "The Cheat Rule" was coined by us, not them. Even though The Cheat is the most visible member of the club, it seems like the name should be more generic. Other possibilities: "The Names", "Names that begin with The", "Names that always begin with The", "Integral The", "Integral 'The' Names". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Names requiring the definite article? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I kinda like "Names beginning with 'The'" the best. Although all of these suggested page titles are pretty awkward sounding. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 20:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Even more: "Integral Definite Article", "Integral Initial Definite Article", "Integral Initial The". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:16, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Like I said, this usage could work with an indefinite article almost as easily as the definite article, so I object to hanging onto that "Definite Article" label. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 20:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I know we want to keep ourselves flexible, but why should we design our title around what ''might'' happen versus what ''has'' happened? They seem pretty committed to the "The" construction, and being specific in the title describes their practice better. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
It ''has'' - A Mighty Warrior. I agree, "Names beginning with an article" might be best. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:40, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
::I'm not aware of any use of "A Mighty Warrior" to date that was ungrammatical, but he does appear to be one step away. I fear "Names beginning with an article", because it almost invites the inclusion of irrelevant names that I just fixed. There are lots and lots and lots of names that generally start with an article. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 21:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Since the discussion about the page name petered out without a consensus or any action, but there is some agreement that "Definite Article" is insufficient, I'm going to "be bold" and move it to "Integral Article". And I'll clean up some of the wording to fit that. If you're not happy with the change, let's keep wranglin'. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 13:41, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:'''Note From Like Half A Year Later:''' The reason this was named Definite Article was because, in a discussion with Kookykman regarding the creation of this page, he was using the phrase "definite article" as the name for this running gag. When the page was created, I simply used the name that he implied without truly knowing what it meant. So TheNicestGuy really didn't have to get all longwinded over the name being "fatally wrong." Sorry. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 00:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

== An Ice Machine ==

Shouldn't "An Ice Machine" from the Stinkoman game be added? He or it is refered to with the article.
:An interesting question. The only place the name appears is in the [[Stinkomanual#Boss 7 - An Ice Machine|Stinkomanual]], right? He doesn't fit the grammatical guidelines above, but since the article appears in two places (the page header and the quote source) where you would expect to see a bona fide name, I would say he merits a mention. Thanks! My distaste for "definite article" has now been vindicated! --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 23:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

== Another instance of a lowercase "the" for The Cheat ==

[[Image:Strong Mad and The Cheat TV Time Cover 4.png|thumb|Strong Mad hugging "the" Cheat]]
While working on [[Strong Mad Smiling]], I uploaded the image to the right. I noticed it was another example of a lowercase "the" for The Cheat. I know we don't list them all in the article, but I figured I would add it here, if only for future reference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I was tempted to include a complete list of cases where The Cheat had been named without an article, since it's rare and somewhat interesting. But since I can't decide if or how something like this would figure into it, I think I'll leave well enough alone. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

== Da Huuuuuudge? ==

Would the "Da" in Da Huuuuuudge count? It looks pretty much like part of its name.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 09:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
:Although it is an improper article, with the exception of Sterrance, all the [[animal|made up animals]] created from names are introduced with an article (the red steckled elberming, the pardack) alhtough this is only capitalised in the case of Da Huuuuuudge. There is also no use where it violates grammar (apart from Da not being an article) and one use (in marzipan's line in animal) where the article is omitted to give correct grammar. My opinion is that the article is part of its name due to it being "Da" rather than "the", but is not worthy for this page as it is still used as "the" would be. [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 21:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Denzel ==

The Denzel would be another instance. This is The Cheats "security item" in Bedtime Story.
:I agree. It's hard to confirm, but it can be deduced that it makes more sense that the "The" functions as an integral article. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

== The modern The Homestar Runner ==

This page leaves out the curious examples of the modern The Homestar Runner. Granted, the article is no longer supposed to be integral to the name, but a few times it can be used as such &mash; even recently ([[pop-up]], which I just enjoyed viewing) — usually to allude to its introductory use. I think it can be worked into the article (that is, encyclopedia) to provide some interesting tidbits. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

==The Unguraits?==
What about the Unguraits? Since they have a "the" in the name, they just might be a candidate for this page!--[[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 16:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:No they wouldn't. There is only one reference to the Unguraits on the site, and the article in that case is not necessarily integral. If there were quotes relating to them with abnormal construction such as "My fellow The Unguraits..." or "I'll just call my local The Unguraits." then it would make sense. As it stands though it doesn't look like such a quote will appear. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 17:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
:Not to necesasrily open a 5-month dead discussion, but there wasa Sketchbook caption a while back that said something to the effect of "Blue Lazer was going to be an Ungurait" [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 05:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==A Liekand and The Ice Machine==
It seems to me that the liekand and an ice machine are not necessarily instances of the integral article. In both cases where the Liekand is mentioned the article could just as well indicate a title or that he is in some other way the only Liekand in existence and that his name could be Paul, Bradley or Dumpus and he'd still be the liekand just like the president's name is George W. Bush but he is still commonly rerferred to as the president. An ice machine is a little more iffy. On the one hand it's more obvious that an ice machine is descriptive of what he is. He is a machine that makes ice. The thing that makes this one stand out gramatically is that he is named as "an ice machine" when he is quoted, whereas this lacks the specificity one would expect from a citation, indicating that it really is his name. Basically I don't think they should be included because of the indefiniteness of their references. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 17:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Ladies ==

What about "The Ladies," as in an emal where they just..

"Wait it out"

Coach Z says, "You said there'd be The Ladies."
:Actually, that was Bubs (in [[2 emails]]). But it's a neat example anyways. Just not very used, like most other integral articles. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Nobody Buy the Blue Ones!==

The blue ones (appearing in bug in mouth disease) are referred to as "the blue ones", though when strong sad mentions boolean operators, he says "blue and ones" without reference to The.
Would this count as another integrated article instance?

:I think it would. No, I really don't see why not. Like The Cheat. 'The' isn't always used{{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 22:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, I thought myself out of it. Nevermind. Just like above, the list of characters including The King of Town, The Barbershop Trio, etc, this isn't actually named THE blue ones. Think of it this way, would it make sense if you left out 'the'? If so, it probably belongs here. However, such is not the case. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 22:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== The Slickster ==

How about this one? The Slickster is the name of a town on the Cool Tapes tour route. Anyoe have anything against putting that on here? {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 22:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== A Theory of Explanation ==

I hesitate to put this on the actual page, or even directly to STUFF, but does anyone think that the entire concept of the intregal article might be a subtle reference to kids books? I mean, I've seen a lot of books where the characters are named "the turtle" or "Tiny the Mouse." Just some random speculation, but if enough people agree with me we could put it on the page. [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

== The Big Cheese ==

Does someone else think that "Ahh! The Big Cheese!" from [[from work]] could be an example? If you agree with me, please post link to a picture of Pom Pom bossing Homestar. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Nondescript Nouns ==

What does [[Nondescript Nouns]] have to do with this page? We might as list all the [[:Category:Word running gags|word running gags]] on this page. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:I disagree — I don't think that items in a "see also" section have to be ''strongly'' linked. In my opinion, it's more of a section to put things that are tangentially related or that we think a reader interested in the page at hand would also be interested in reading.

:Integral articles and nondescript nouns are often used to refer to characters in unconventional ways — that's how they're related. This is different from a lot of the other word running gags, which are simply unusual words that are repeated, like "apothecary". I don't think it's a big deal to include a tangentially related article or two in a see also section: we're not claiming that there's an iron-clad connection (if we were, then the link would be in the article, not the see also section), we're just recommending another page that a reader of the one at hand might find interesting. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

::I agree with Trey. I've always understood "See Also" links as having a more associative character.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== Ol' Papes ==

I had added this before, and it was removed, but in [[the paper]], The Paper is called "Ol' Papes." I think it's an instance where The Paper is referred to without "The." However, there seems to be dissent, and I can't seem to find the reason in the page history. Resolution, please?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames

2007-12-20T13:08:57Z

Gaeamil: /* Homestar Runner */

[[Image:Wretchedsimmons.png|thumb|"Get it out of here, Wretched Simmons!"]]
Most [[characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner universe]] have been assigned a variety of '''nicknames''' by other characters, usually by [[Strong Bad]]. Strong Bad also gives nicknames to [[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender|those who send him emails]].

==Main Characters==
===[[Homestar Runner]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Fox's father (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*The Big Fat Yellow Blob (Strong Bad, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*My Dog (Bubs, [[A Folky Tale]])
*McDorkle (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Humphel (Coach Z, [[A Jorb Well Done]])
*Homestar von Runnerberger (Strong Bad, [[In Search of the Yello Dello Commentary]])
*Mr. Prancy-time (Strong Bad, [[The King of Town DVD]])

'''Shorts'''
*Supreme Overlord (Strong Bad, [[Ever and More!]])
*Brotherstar Runnerbrother (Bubs, [[Ever and More!]])
*The Deckeman (Homestar, [[No Hands On Deck!]])
*Desire Man (Strong Sad, [[Sbemail 150?!?]])
*Dumbstar (Strong Bad, [[The Interview]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*The Human Grate-On-My-Nerves (Strong Bad, [[Jibblies 2]])
*Shorty (Bubs, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*The old captain of the team (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*A real state trooper (Homsar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Homestarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homestar Riggidy Riggidy Runner ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Homeslice ([[Puppet Jam]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Officer Cheese-for-butt (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Homestar Bunmaker (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Old 'Strammy (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Wretched Simmons (Strong Bad, [[lady fan]])
*Mr. Dee Williams (Bubs, [[secret identity]])
*Kevin (Announcer, [[geddup noise]])
*Hal (Marzipan, [[time capsule]] DVD commentary)
*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad/Dangeresque, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Baldy (Strong Bad, [[haircut]])
*Duckie-man (The Prince of Town, [[flashback]])
*Duckshirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Prancibald (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Whitey (Doreauxgard, [[lackey]])
*Kevin DuBrow (Homestar, [[the bet]])
*edgardo (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Dumpface (Strong Bad, [[island]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*[[Wikipedia: Ghostface Killah|Goatface Killa]] (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Boyfriend Dan (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*The H-star, the H-star-R (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Sugar-face (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Dead Guy Perez, alternately known as the DGP (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Wikipedia:Lionel Richie|Lionel Richie]] (Strong Bad, [[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript| Homestar's character page]])

===[[Strong Bad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Strong Strong (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Strong Caleb (Strong Bad imitating Tucksworth, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Grandma (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Prisoner Number 5408 (Strong Sad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])
*Professor Tor Coolguy (Strong Sad and Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

'''Shorts'''
*Brother Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Salaried employee (Coach Z, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])
*Cool Guy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])
*Stong Bah (Homestar, [[Arcade Game]])

'''Powered By The Cheat'''
*B-hand (Powered by the Cheat Homestar, [[mile]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Strong-o Bad-o (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Miss America (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
*Strong Badchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*My Homie (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 3]])
*Rondo (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 2]])
*Rondleman (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])
*My D-O-G-E, My Dog (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Sam (Homestar, [[business trip]])
*Young whipper-snapper (The King of Town, [[slumber party]])
*B (Coach Z, [[hygiene]])
*Monster man (Homsar, [[mini-golf]])
*Strong Bo (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Spring Board (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Grendolyn (Senor Cardgage, [[rough copy]])
*Bontilda (Senor Cardgage, [[the movies]])
*Strong Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*Stro Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*S-bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*awesome (emailer Ter, [[coloring]])
*Backseat Bradley (Homestar, [[road trip]])
*Fatty bad (That guy, from that place, [[road trip]])
*Super Bad (emailer Jonathan Shaheen, [[theme song]])
*Myrtlebeth (Senor Cardgage, [[alternate universe]])
*Big Nose (Stinkoman, [[alternate universe]])
*Eggman (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Strong Body (Bubs, [[disconnected]])
*Head Bad (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Senor Muybueno (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Tip Tappers: Expensive Briefcase Carrier (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Vance (Daddy) Mudgeman (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Cara Carabowditbowdit (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Strongio da Baddio (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Strongest of the Bads (emailers Lorenzo and Fillbert, [[lady...ing]])
*Strong Bad The Good Dancer (Strong Bad, [[bottom 10]])
*Weak Bad (the sender of the email in [[bottom 10]])
*Sed Bed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*Ong-stray ad-bay (emailer Peter, [[rampage]])
*Chester Elegante (Strong Bad, [[dreamail]])
*Senator (Strong Sad, [[radio]])
*S to the B (emailer Justin Corcoran, [[extra plug]])
*Silne Zle (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*Elizagerth (Senor Cardgage, [[flashback]])
*No-shirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Weirdo (Strong Sad, [[different town]])
*Stupid (Homestar, [[army]])
*Ethel (Senor Cardgage, [[kind of cool]])
*Mr. Supreme (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Double A, All Abs (Strong Bad, [[suntan]])
*Reggie (Homsar, [[interview]])
*[[Stinkoman]] (Homestar, [[island]])
*Buckethand (Homestar, [[new hands]])
*Stark Dålig (Strong Bad, [[little questions]])
*Stong Band (Strong Bad as Monkey D, [[vacation]])
*Stong Bad (Emailer matt, [[50 emails]])
*[[Strong Badman]] (Strong Bad, [[superhero name]])
*Mr SuTo (Strong Bad, [[i rule#Commentary Transcript|i rule (commentary)]])

'''Teen Girl Squad'''
*Sir Hotbod Handsomeface (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*Lorenz Magazine Man (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*[[Aliases Used in Prank Calls#Goatface|Goatface]] (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Senator Bobblehead (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Senator Statesbob (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Bob Statesman (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Cableman Jorge (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])
*Sweepstakes Ron (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Safety Dan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])
*Dr. Professional (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]])
*Constable Anybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]])
*Detective Everybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]])
*Mr. Nobody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])

''' Other'''
*The Bee (Strong Bad, [[Sensitive To Bees]])
*No-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[The Cheat]]===
'''General'''
*The Chort (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]], [[rampage]], [[impression]], [[mascot]], [[crazy cartoon]], [[mile]] (Powered by The Cheat Coach Z), [[Rap Song]])
*DJ Teh Cheat (his DJ name, referenced in [[geddup noise]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Mr. Smarty-Spots (Strong Bad, [[Date Nite]])
*T.C. (Marzipan, [[Date Nite]])

'''Shorts'''
*Strong Mad's Girlfriend (Strong Bad, [[Summer Short Shorts]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Yellow Man (Homestar, [[Labor Dabor]] and [[Some Puppet Stuff]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Monchicheat (Strong Bad, [[Happy Hallow-day]])
*Philly Cheat-steak (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*Cheatachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Chocolate cake (Homsar, [[strong badathlon]])
*The Cheat Baxter-Birney ("starring", [[theme song]])
*The Cheato Bandito (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Squeak (Strong Bad, [[narrator]])
*The Cheatbot (Strong Bad, [[technology]])
*Mr. Tesmacher (Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry, [[secret identity]])
*Captain Past-His-Prime (Strong Bad, [[animal]])
*the ol' Cheatasaurus (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*The Cheatentina (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Ilko Skevüld (fake ID, [[cheatday]])
*Teh C. (The Cheat, [[cheatday]])
*Cheet (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*little yellow squeaky thing (Strong Bad, [[lackey]])
*[[Firebert]] (The Cheat, [[army]])
*That one little guy (Strong Bad, [[army]])
*yellow dog (Homestar, [[army]])
*The Friggin' Cheat (The Cheat, [[local news]])
*Squeaky (Motivational poster, [[no loafing]])
*Slowbie (Strong Bad, [[2 years]])
*Cheat-in-a-Bag (Strong Bad, [[impression]])
*Clever Dan (Strong Bad, [[sibbie]])
*dacheese (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[caper]])
*The Chekt (and The Che_t) (Strong Bad, [[secret recipies]])

'''Other'''
*Mr. Cheat[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] (Strong Bad, [[Strong Badia National Anthem]] on [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]])
*That yellow brick (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Strong Mad]]===
'''General'''
*Big Guy ([[Where's The Cheat?]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Graw Mad (Strong Bad, [[the facts]], [[garage sale]], [[keep cool]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Our Bass Player (Marzipan, [[Weclome Back]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Tough Skins (Strong Bad, [[Superbowl Dealie]])
*Strong Madchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Strong Madden ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Bo-hwee-moth (Strong Bad, [[looking old]])
*Chef Boyardee (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Biggest Bro (Strong Bad, [[the facts]])
*[[Killingyouguy]] (End credits, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Stlong Mad (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*no-neck (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Brain-for-brains (Strong Bad, [[invisibility]])
*House Mouth (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*Low-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[Strong Sad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*The Elephant Man (Coach Z, [[A Folky Tale]])
*Dairy Queen (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])

'''Shorts'''
*Rondell (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Half Man (Homestar Runner, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Strong Sadchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Thelonious Dump (Strong Bad, [[pizza joint]])
*Diaper stripe (Lil' Strong Bad, [[the paper]])
*Prancibald (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Trundle bed (Strong Bad, [[keep cool]])
*The Elephant-Footed Ghost Man (Strong Bad, [[myths & legends]])
*Biggest Waste of Dump (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*Double-Bottom (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*S² (Neils Bohr, [[boring (really)]])
*Helvetica (Senor Cardgage, [[garage sale]])
*The Lurker (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*DJ Dumpy Dump (Strong Bad, [[rampage]])
*M.C. for Master of Ceremonies (Coach Z, [[rampage]])
*My Dear Fatson (Strong Bad, [[best thing]])
*Harry Elephanté (Strong Bad, [[origins]])
*[[The Deathly Pallor]] (Strong Sad, [[radio]], Coach Z, [[impression]])
*Ol' Greystoke (Strong Bad, [[radio]])
*El Dumpo (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Doughboy (Homestar, [[dangeresque 3]])
*[[Tendafoot]] (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Gron Sad (Strong Bad, [[car]])
*wiggidy-wiener (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Dumpus (Strong Bad, [[autobiography]])
*That rhinoceros (Homsar, [[interview]])
*Interrupter Jones (Strong Bad, [[morning routine]])
*Stupid (Strong Bad, [[depressio]], [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*The Floating Head of Dooooom (Strong Sad, [[Main Page 23]])
*The fat Fisher-Price guy (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Pom Pom]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Roundy Man (Homestar, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*My main man, My dog, My ace in the hole (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Pom Pomchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Email '''
*The Big Cheese (Homestar, [[from work]])
*My dog Pom Pom (Homestar, [[myths & legends]])
*Hindenburg (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Led Zeppelin (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Ronnie (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]])

===[[Marzipan]]===
''' General '''
*Marzy (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]; Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])

''' Big Toons '''
*Old Maid Marzipan (Bubs, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Fox's mother (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Ms. Smarty-Pants (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*The Marzipan (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Marzi-person (Bubs, [[Weclome Back]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Mom-zipan (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Marzi-man (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Marzychu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*A Laugh Riot [[Grrl]] ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The girlfriend formerly known as Marzipan (Homestar, [[Jibblies 2]])

''' Marzipan's Answering Machine '''
*Brown (The Homestar Runner, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*Marz-pan (Grape Nuts Robot, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Marzipanio (Marzipan, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Mrs. Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])
*Ugly-Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship|Homestar's Girlfriend]] ([[Yearbook Character Page]])
*a dirty hippie...without the dirt (Strong Bad, [[Yearbook Character Page]])

===[[Coach Z]]===
'''Shorts'''
*Hourly Wage (Strong Bad, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Ebert (Strong Bad, [[the movies]])
*Ol' Butt Patterson (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Green Bubs (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Deborah (Homestar Runner, [[senior prom]])
*Cadet Z (Space Captainface, [[space program]])
*Coach Zed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*The Coach Z (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Coach B]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])
*The Big Z (Coach Z, [[diorama]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Coach Zchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*The Lyrical Wondermind (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])

'''Other'''
*Coach Zee (the apparent original spelling, [[Where My Hat Is At?]])

===[[Bubs]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Bubs-keep (Strong Bad, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Tubbs (Homsar, [[Where's The Cheat?]])
*Stranger (Marzipan, [[Welcome Back]])
'''Shorts'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Old Mr. Bubs (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Blue face man (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Great American Bubs (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Bubba-daddy (Homestar Runner, [[Senorial Day]])
*Bubsy (Coach Z, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Cornbread (Bubs as [[Dr. Christmas]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Bubsachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Orange Coach Z (Coach Z, [[road trip]])
*Old Man Bubs (Strong Bad, [[isp]])
*Bubs-O (Coach Z, [[geddup noise]])
*The Haggler (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*Mr. Bubs (Strong Bad, [[part-time job]])
*Sbu (Strong Bad, [[lunch special]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Zubs]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])

'''Other'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Broken Compy Menu]])

===[[The King of Town]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Santa (Homestar Runner, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]])

'''Short Toons'''
*Brother of Town (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Kingy-ding ([[The Little Chef Guy]], [[KOT's VOQPCS!]])
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Your Kentucky Fried-ness (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Oldie (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*"Your Highness" (Strong Bad, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Mr. Of Town (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Kingachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Clogdor (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*Old Bag (Strong Bad, [[boring (really)]])
*Old King Droll (Strong Bad, [[secret recipes]])
*Creepy Old Man (Strong Bad, [[the bet]])

''' Other '''
*Furious Fingers ([[Lappynapped!]])
*Kingio ([[Super Kingio Brothers]])
*The KoT ([[King of Town Main Page]])

===[[The Poopsmith]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*doodieman (Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Poop-Stick (Homestar, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Teddy Poopspin ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Poopachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Doodoo Man (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*mr.smith (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*the diapersmith ([[highschool]])

===[[Homsar]]===
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Shortstop (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*The ghost of Christmas past (Homsar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Homsar Salad Sandwich ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homsarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The Secret Guy (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*The Human Wedgie (Homsar, [[origins]])
*Haddi-man (kids, [[for kids]])
*Homestar (Homestar, [[looking old]])

''' Other '''
*Captain of the Gravy Train (Homsar, [[Homsar#Character Video Transcript|Homsar's Character Video]])
*Parson Brown (Homsar, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

==Minor Characters==
===[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]===

'''[[The Wheelchair]]'''
*That stupid wheelchair kid (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])

'''[[Eh! Steve!]]'''
*Steven (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*Eh. Steven. (Leomard Sportsinterviews, Email [[different town]])

'''[[Ready For Primetime]]'''

*Eh, Greg (Strong Bad, Email [[haircut]])
*SWEETIE CAKES (Strong Mad, Email [[haircut]])

===[[Old Timey]]===
'''[[Old-Timey Strong Bad]]'''
*Sir Strong Bad (Telegram sender Lord Elsington Hallstingdingdingworth, [[50 emails]])
*Uncle Strong Bad (Old-Timey Strong Bad, [[2 emails]])

'''[[Fat Dudley]]'''
*Fat Duds (The Homestar Runner, [[That A Ghost]])

'''[[The Sneak]]'''
*The Dapper Swindler ("Wanted" poster, [[Ballad of The Sneak]])

'''[[Mr. Shmallow]]'''
*That monster (The Homestar Runner, [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]])

===[[Cheat Commandos]]===
'''[[Reynold]]'''
*Reynold-a (Fightgar, [[Shopping for Danger]])
*Cheat Cuss-mando (Gunhaver, [[Commandos in the Classroom]])

'''[[Ser-g-geant Marshie]]'''
*this flying cotton ball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])

===[[Teen Girl Squad]]===
'''[[Teen Girl Squad]]'''
*fair maidens (DN'D Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*earthlings (SciFi Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*gals (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*grlfrndz (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*my Spanish galleons (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*my art galleries (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Worldwide Starlets (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Smartly Pretty (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Kissy Boots (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*You little brats (Mrs. So-and-So-erson, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*my gallies (Cheerleader, [[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad Issue 6]])
*the other girls (All girls except What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*T33n G1rl Squ4dx0rx!!11 (Page title; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[Cheerleader]]'''
*ms. thang (and the future ms. thang) (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*fattycakes (Intro description, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*rich [[grrl]] (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])
*hott type! (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[So and So]]'''
*Babysit (Tompkins, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Mark (Cut-Out Shirt Folding Store Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Over-Achiever Bandit (So and So, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Kristen (Cheerleader, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])
*Kristin-a (What's Her Face, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])

'''[[What's Her Face]]'''
*bunkmate (Raccoon Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*W HERFACE (Mailbox, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*the one with baggy pants (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*The new leader (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])

'''[[The Ugly One]]'''
*The Queen of Pay-Per-View (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Uggs (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Hotgly One (The Brothers Chaps, [[Sketchbook#SK-2005-10-20|Sketchbook]])
*The new leader (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*Young Man (Teacher; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

===[[20X6]]===
'''[[Stinkoman]]'''
*MY DOGE (Vector Strong Bad, [[alternate universe]])
*Sign Up Today Man ([[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*a demon on wheels (Stinkoman, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])

'''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]''' 
(All of these are from the [[Stinkomanual]].)
*'''Pooru-Pooru''' - punk cucumber
*'''Rose Blake''' - 'lectric burner
*'''Clowder''' - crotchety old cloud
*'''Astromund''' - astro style mund
*'''Piedmont''' - comedian
*'''Porchi''' - round-about
*'''Stafulter''' - flying plug-duck
*'''Postlethwaite''' - ol' P-thwaite
*'''Ditmars''' - NOT a tree and a blanket
*'''Ekersby''' - A jumble of good, good graphics
*'''Prudench''' - skrimps
*'''Dolmerlay''' - Dolmy
*'''Semulade''' - shark-ships
*'''Broodacre''' - jungle-ized bolcano, Broody

===Miscellaneous===
'''[[Bad Graphics Ghost]]'''
*Pixel Ghost (Strong Bad, [[strongbad_email.exe]] Disc Two menu)

'''[[Marshie]]'''
*Margie the Marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[Fan Costumes '06]])
*that freakin' marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006]])
*Marshy (Dan Miller, [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004]] track listing)
*that flying mushroom (Strong Bad, Email [[the show]])
*that fweakin' marshmallow (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])
*that fweakin' robot (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])

'''[[They Might Be Giants]]'''
*the old Supreme Giants Boys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*Super Giant guys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*The Super Giants (Homestar Runner, [[Experimental Film]])

'''John Flansburgh (of TMBG)'''
*Flans ([[Puppet Jam]])
*that one right there with the glasses (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*the glasses guy/that glasses guy (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]]: DVD version)

'''[[Carol]]'''
*Carl (The Cheat, [[Seasonal Sweaters]], Email [[marzipan]])

'''[[Señor]]'''
*Señor Ha-Ha-Ha-Havin' A Little Trouble (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Mr. Bland]]'''
*The prince of plain (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*The master of mundane (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[The Robot (storybook)|The Robot]]'''
*The walking metal robot (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Senor Cardgage]]'''
* T. Mendous Savings (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
* old denominator (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old wintergreen (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old Soderbergh (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* Senator Cardgage Bubs (Homestar Runner, Email [[original]])

'''[[Balding Man]]'''
* Husband of the Year (Narrator, [[Senorial Day]])

'''[[Li'l Brudder]]'''
* The king of the dregs (Singers, [[The Li'l Brudder Show]])

'''[[Visor Robot]]'''
* Valerie (Senor Cardgage, [[Senor Mortgage]])

'''[[Saddy Dumpington]]'''
* Ol' Dumps (Strong Sad, [[A Folky Tale]])
* Weird Snake Joe (Saddy Dumpington, [[A Folky Tale]])

'''[[Atari Dragon]]'''
*freakin' duck (Strong Bad, [[Main Page 13]], [[highschool]])

'''[[Trogdor]]'''
*Troggie (Strong Bad, [[Happy Trogday]])

'''[[Rather Dashing]]'''
*Rather Homely (The Blue Knight, [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]])

'''[[Tandy 400]]'''
*crappiest computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*that old buncha beige (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])

'''[[Compy 386]]'''
*crappier computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*three-eighty-sucks (Tandy 400, [[invisibility]])

'''[[Lappy 486]]'''
*lappy-pie (email [[retirement]])
*little lady (email [[retirement]])

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Name running gags]]

Talk:Game Sightings

2007-12-20T13:08:19Z

Gaeamil: /* Portal */

==In case you were wondering==
This here's the 1,000th page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:<s>Tom, you're a step ahead of me. I came here to make a similar note. I'm not sure I ever imagined we'd reach a thousand articles back when I started this wiki. Good jorb, everyone! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>

Actually, this isn't the thousandth page. A few pages that were created before this one have since been deleted, making [[Fonts]] the official thousandth article. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry, but yeah it is. See my comment at [[Talk:Fonts#Thousandth article]] for clarification. I'm also going to remove the strike-though that was added to my comment above, since I didn't retract it or anything like that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

== Albino Blacksheep ==

In a new Flash game on albinoblacksheep.com, parodying Everquest, one of the characters has a "Summoning" ability which can be used to summon Trogdor the Burninator. I'm not sure, however, if this should go under Games or Animation...
:Well it's a game, so it should go under games. Makes sense to me. {{User:phlip/sig}} 00:46, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Kay then. I will. thanks.

Ok, not sure if this counts as a good enough sighting or not, but in World of Warcraft there is possible another sighting, in the Barrens there is an Ogre called Jorb. Do you think this counts? - P

== Delete Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas? ==

''Driving around Las Venturas, one can find a "Bub's Hardware." The sign also seems to say something about "Cheats." A map is included here.''

*This seems like a stretch. All the other examples are clear references, or at least very likely to be, but this one could easily be pure coincidence. Anybody else think it should be deleted? {{User:Bill/sig}} 21:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I noticed this a while ago, too. I'm pretty sure it's a total stretch. Bub and Cheat are common words. It's not even "Bubs", it's "Bub". - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::And I think I'ma go delete that now. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
::: Don't! I found another refrence!:
''In GTA: San Andreas, there is a car called [[Nebulon]]''
- {{User:HeyMama/sig}}

POLL:

Delete it:
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== Warcraft III reference ==

there's a reference of trogdor in WCIII:TFT. can we add it?
:Do you have the details of the sighting? If possible, Can someone confirm? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I wrote that, Its in level three one of the guards is called trogdor--[[User:Ed500|Ed500]] 08:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

heres the picture

http://starbase.globalpc.net/~bhz/strongbad/images/trogdar.jpg

does it count?

It is only one letter off (a/o), and too much of a coincidence if one, so I think it does.
-Zyborg

== Xgen reference ==

theres a TGS reference when you play stick arena

(username) iron chef'd (username)

can it count?--[[User:Ed500|Ed500]] 07:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Probably, if it isn't a player. If it is a CPU, then I would think so.
-Zyborg

It does. There is no AI and this applies for anyone who kills someone with a katana. there a 1 in 3 chance of that popping up. [[User:Ed500|Ed500]]

==American Wasteland Squad!==
Okay, is this a real sighting? Either the producers of the game were obsessed with TGS, [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]] helped design the game, or the entry is bogus. Can some one help me out? -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:I have no way of proving it for you, but it doesn't sound too unlikely to me. Mostly because of the "Late 360" etc., which was a skateboarding allusion to begin with. And the sightings in the other Tony Hawk game above add credibility. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
::I actually have the game myself, so I should probably play it and see for myself before complaining. (Side note: I actually noticed the Limozeen sighting in THUG 1, but i thought it coincidence. -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

== Vampire the Masquerade:Bloodlines ==

When buying fuel for the flame thrower, the fuel is called "Burninator brand".-Hitokiri Akins

==Kingdom Hearts II ==

In Kingdom Hearts II, when fighting the Hydra, there is a reaction command called Urninator. This is only one letter off from Burninator. Think I should add it?
- Zyborg 4/13/06
(Edit: The strategy guide said Everybody to the Limit, not the manual. Although, the strategy guide is most likely official. I'll add the Urninator to the page, delete if necessary.)

I checked Amazon for strategy guides for Kingdom Hearts II. I found out that the guide is made by BradyGames, not Square Enix(the company that makes KH2). The Everybody to the Limit reference in the strategy guide should really go under books instead.

Though I think the Urninator reference might be legit. The Hydra ''is'' a dragon, just like ol' Troggie.
:[[Other Sightings]], then. We don't have a "books" section. Maybe magazines? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Killer7 ==

*I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is NOT a reference; seeing as Gouichi Suda has an obsession with lucha libre in general, it's not surprising that Yoon-Hyun's mask looks like Strong Bad's. It's a coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Fully Ramblomatic ==

Two of the games on this site have obvious H*R refernces. First off, Adventures in the Galaxy of Fantabulous Wonderment has one of them. About a third of the way through the game, one of your redshirts is zapped by a lazer security system thing and says, "Ow! My most of me!"

Secondly, the special edition of 7 Days a Skeptic. If you go to the captain's console and type in 'Pasta Sauce', it shows a "How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves" email. Remember, this is the special edition and does not work with the normal one.

Figured you guys would want to know

:Well, in that case, add them onto the article. You're welcome to do so. This is why we have a wiki! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

== SSBM ==

Can someone confirm this? I honestly don't think it's real, Homestar had a small fanbase at the time of its release.

==toontown==

in toontown online 1 of the npc in donalds dock wants you to call him choche(sp?) z.
any iders?

== Alchmist's Apprentice ==

There's a new online game called [http://fizzlebot.com/gdc1/cgdc1.php?puzzleID=7 Alchemist's Apprentice] that has an item called "whatsit" described thusly: "This soft, sticky, stinky substance is an excellent fertilizer and chief projectile weapon of simians."

I've never heard reference to "whatsit" outside of HomestarRunner.com, but I could be wrong, and I don't know how to properly edit this page. Is this a reference?
*Well, I've certainly never heard of "whatsit" describing excrement outside of H*R, and the quote certainly suggests that meaning. Searching Wikipedia for "whatsit" brings you to a disambiguation page that doesn't mention that definition, so I'd say it's a reference. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Guitar Hero II ==
Wait until it comes out. Mmm... I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!!!

:Actually, I just found undeniable, unquestionable proof that justifies adding GHII to the list before release. And that...is video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKW5ngFNHJo&mode=user&search=

::See [[Trogdor (song)#Trivia]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I just watched the X-Play Review of Guitar Hero II on the Xbox 360, and what they had was a final copy, obviously, and they showed a section that showed a downladed track (the section was called "Downloaded Songs") called "Rodgort"....is this a reference to Trogdor?

==Dead Rising Decline==
Dead Rising's HomeRunner's Shoes is more of a reference to the baseball term, rather than Homestar Runner.--[[User:Reign of Trogdor|Reign of Trogdor]] 05:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Diner Dash - Flo on the Go ==
[[Image:Diner_dash_3_-_everybody_to_the_limit.png|thumb|To the limit AND the moon]]
well i saw this while i was checking out the secret levels for this game...

will this count? — [[User:Yoshi mgs|Yoshi mgs]] ([[User talk:Yoshi mgs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yoshi mgs|contribs]]) Yoshi mgs (left [[HRWiki:Standards#Do sign your Talk posts|unsigned]])
:I'd buy it. Between the [[Everybody to the Limit]] and [[personal favourites|the moon]] refs, it sounds plausible. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
{{clear}}

==H*R Shirt==

A character in Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam wears a top suspiciously similar to Homestar's. Since the other Tony game-sightings, will this count? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

:Depends. What's the shirt look like? Any webpage where we can see it? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 18:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[http://reviews.cnet.com/Tony_Hawk_s_Downhill_Jam_Wii/4528-9993_7-31884289-7.html?tag=ssht The best I could find.] [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

:Ah, da da da da DA-A!! So confused... what to think?? Hot Homestar?!? My brain is splitting in half! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that a yes? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

Lets just say its a yes {{User:Mr_nutt/sig}}

== Full Auto 2 versions ==

I added the reference for Full Auto 2, but I can only be sure that it's in the PSP version. I know the PSP and PS3 versions of the game are very different, so I specified which version. Is it in both versions? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
== Baleeted ==

Two things:

-I added the Crackdown Double Deuce thing.
-I deleted the Dead or Alive 4 thing. Why? Because that was the signature of whoever this person was fighting at the time. You see, when fighting over Xbox Live your opponents Sig will appear as the message in the Gamblers Paradise stage. This might not be clear. Maybe someone could clarify for all the beautiful peoples? (However, that ''is'' a nice find)
-[[User:Dwigt|Dwigt]] 01:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sam & Max ==

about a month back I've added a refrence to Sam & Max Ep.5, see
http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Game_Sightings&oldid=442179#Sam_.26_Max:_Reality_2.0
This however was removed by user Shwoo stating "it might be a coinicidence".
I did not wan't to spoil too much of the game, so I didn't go into specifics, but in fact the "character" which I quoted was, in fact an Arcade machine, which I think strengthens the fact that this is a refrence to the site.
On a side note, the whole episode is Internet/computer/Video game centric, filled with references such as "It's-a me, Sam!" and so.
Please reconsider adding it to the sightings section. [[User:84.108.73.241|84.108.73.241]] 18:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've looked at it and have concluded that it's not a valid reference. It says "Your goggles explode! Game Over!", but the reason why I feel it isn't a reference is because a) it's grammatically correct, unlike "Your head a splode", and b) if it really was a reference, it would have been "a splode", not "explode". {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Does Postal 2 count? ==

I am not cautious due to the extremely offensive nature of the game, but rather because the Homestar Runner references are only included in a fanmade expansion mod. However, the publisher of the game has included this mod in a commercial compilation. Would this be eligible for inclusion?

:Personally, I don't think so. This strikes me as a page for references by full-time developers, not people who love a game and have a bit of programming skill. I could personally mod a game and release it, but I doubt it'd be included here. But that's just my personal opinion, I feel it ought to get approval or disproval from someone higher thought of here.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Portal ==

Valve's game of Portal, recently released, contains, in the room of the final fight (on the left when you enter the room), there is a red telephone. The receiver is disconnected, about 2 inches from the receiver itself, almost exactly like the phones in the H*R universe. I can upload a picture of it to my personal site if you want to see it. Not entirely sure if it really is a reference, but it certainly struck me as one, hence the discussion before inclusion.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 11:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:I really doubt its a reference. The phone cord is cut for plot reasons. (I won't give away those plot reasons right now, but I can if necessary.) -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 12:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC).
::Yeah, I see that. Also, I was thinking it was because of technological reasons, ie, the HL2 engine. Since you could pick up the receiver, the cord would be incredibly inconvenient to program in. Again, that's why I put it in discussion rather than on the page. But, it's still possible, and only the people at Valve can tell us for sure.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames

2007-12-20T13:02:36Z

Gaeamil: /* Miscellaneous */ was already here, as Searg-g-geant Marshie

[[Image:Wretchedsimmons.png|thumb|"Get it out of here, Wretched Simmons!"]]
Most [[characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner universe]] have been assigned a variety of '''nicknames''' by other characters, usually by [[Strong Bad]]. Strong Bad also gives nicknames to [[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender|those who send him emails]].

==Main Characters==
===[[Homestar Runner]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Fox's father (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Fat Yellow Blob (Strong Bad, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*My Dog (Bubs, [[A Folky Tale]])
*McDorkle (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Humphel (Coach Z, [[A Jorb Well Done]])
*Homestar von Runnerberger (Strong Bad, [[In Search of the Yello Dello Commentary]])
*Mr. Prancy-time (Strong Bad, [[The King of Town DVD]])

'''Shorts'''
*Supreme Overlord (Strong Bad, [[Ever and More!]])
*Brotherstar Runnerbrother (Bubs, [[Ever and More!]])
*The Deckeman (Homestar, [[No Hands On Deck!]])
*Desire Man (Strong Sad, [[Sbemail 150?!?]])
*Dumbstar (Strong Bad, [[The Interview]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*The Human Grate-On-My-Nerves (Strong Bad, [[Jibblies 2]])
*Shorty (Bubs, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*The old captain of the team (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*A real state trooper (Homsar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Homestarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homestar Riggidy Riggidy Runner ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Homeslice ([[Puppet Jam]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Officer Cheese-for-butt (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Homestar Bunmaker (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Old 'Strammy (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Wretched Simmons (Strong Bad, [[lady fan]])
*Mr. Dee Williams (Bubs, [[secret identity]])
*Kevin (Announcer, [[geddup noise]])
*Hal (Marzipan, [[time capsule]] DVD commentary)
*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad/Dangeresque, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Baldy (Strong Bad, [[haircut]])
*Duckie-man (The Prince of Town, [[flashback]])
*Duckshirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Prancibald (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Whitey (Doreauxgard, [[lackey]])
*Kevin DuBrow (Homestar, [[the bet]])
*edgardo (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Dumpface (Strong Bad, [[island]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*[[Wikipedia: Ghostface Killah|Goatface Killa]] (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Boyfriend Dan (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*The H-star, the H-star-R (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Sugar-face (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Dead Guy Perez, alternately known as the DGP (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Wikipedia:Lionel Richie|Lionel Richie]] (Strong Bad, [[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript| Homestar's character page]])

===[[Strong Bad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Strong Strong (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Strong Caleb (Strong Bad imitating Tucksworth, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Grandma (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Prisoner Number 5408 (Strong Sad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])
*Professor Tor Coolguy (Strong Sad and Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

'''Shorts'''
*Brother Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Salaried employee (Coach Z, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])
*Cool Guy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])
*Stong Bah (Homestar, [[Arcade Game]])

'''Powered By The Cheat'''
*B-hand (Powered by the Cheat Homestar, [[mile]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Strong-o Bad-o (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Miss America (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
*Strong Badchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*My Homie (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 3]])
*Rondo (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 2]])
*Rondleman (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])
*My D-O-G-E, My Dog (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Sam (Homestar, [[business trip]])
*Young whipper-snapper (The King of Town, [[slumber party]])
*B (Coach Z, [[hygiene]])
*Monster man (Homsar, [[mini-golf]])
*Strong Bo (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Spring Board (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Grendolyn (Senor Cardgage, [[rough copy]])
*Bontilda (Senor Cardgage, [[the movies]])
*Strong Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*Stro Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*S-bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*awesome (emailer Ter, [[coloring]])
*Backseat Bradley (Homestar, [[road trip]])
*Fatty bad (That guy, from that place, [[road trip]])
*Super Bad (emailer Jonathan Shaheen, [[theme song]])
*Myrtlebeth (Senor Cardgage, [[alternate universe]])
*Big Nose (Stinkoman, [[alternate universe]])
*Eggman (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Strong Body (Bubs, [[disconnected]])
*Head Bad (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Senor Muybueno (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Tip Tappers: Expensive Briefcase Carrier (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Vance (Daddy) Mudgeman (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Cara Carabowditbowdit (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Strongio da Baddio (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Strongest of the Bads (emailers Lorenzo and Fillbert, [[lady...ing]])
*Strong Bad The Good Dancer (Strong Bad, [[bottom 10]])
*Weak Bad (the sender of the email in [[bottom 10]])
*Sed Bed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*Ong-stray ad-bay (emailer Peter, [[rampage]])
*Chester Elegante (Strong Bad, [[dreamail]])
*Senator (Strong Sad, [[radio]])
*S to the B (emailer Justin Corcoran, [[extra plug]])
*Silne Zle (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*Elizagerth (Senor Cardgage, [[flashback]])
*No-shirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Weirdo (Strong Sad, [[different town]])
*Stupid (Homestar, [[army]])
*Ethel (Senor Cardgage, [[kind of cool]])
*Mr. Supreme (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Double A, All Abs (Strong Bad, [[suntan]])
*Reggie (Homsar, [[interview]])
*[[Stinkoman]] (Homestar, [[island]])
*Buckethand (Homestar, [[new hands]])
*Stark Dålig (Strong Bad, [[little questions]])
*Stong Band (Strong Bad as Monkey D, [[vacation]])
*Stong Bad (Emailer matt, [[50 emails]])
*[[Strong Badman]] (Strong Bad, [[superhero name]])
*Mr SuTo (Strong Bad, [[i rule#Commentary Transcript|i rule (commentary)]])

'''Teen Girl Squad'''
*Sir Hotbod Handsomeface (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*Lorenz Magazine Man (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*[[Aliases Used in Prank Calls#Goatface|Goatface]] (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Senator Bobblehead (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Senator Statesbob (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Bob Statesman (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Cableman Jorge (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])
*Sweepstakes Ron (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Safety Dan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])
*Dr. Professional (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]])
*Constable Anybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]])
*Detective Everybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]])
*Mr. Nobody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])

''' Other'''
*The Bee (Strong Bad, [[Sensitive To Bees]])
*No-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[The Cheat]]===
'''General'''
*The Chort (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]], [[rampage]], [[impression]], [[mascot]], [[crazy cartoon]], [[mile]] (Powered by The Cheat Coach Z), [[Rap Song]])
*DJ Teh Cheat (his DJ name, referenced in [[geddup noise]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Mr. Smarty-Spots (Strong Bad, [[Date Nite]])
*T.C. (Marzipan, [[Date Nite]])

'''Shorts'''
*Strong Mad's Girlfriend (Strong Bad, [[Summer Short Shorts]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Yellow Man (Homestar, [[Labor Dabor]] and [[Some Puppet Stuff]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Monchicheat (Strong Bad, [[Happy Hallow-day]])
*Philly Cheat-steak (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*Cheatachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Chocolate cake (Homsar, [[strong badathlon]])
*The Cheat Baxter-Birney ("starring", [[theme song]])
*The Cheato Bandito (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Squeak (Strong Bad, [[narrator]])
*The Cheatbot (Strong Bad, [[technology]])
*Mr. Tesmacher (Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry, [[secret identity]])
*Captain Past-His-Prime (Strong Bad, [[animal]])
*the ol' Cheatasaurus (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*The Cheatentina (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Ilko Skevüld (fake ID, [[cheatday]])
*Teh C. (The Cheat, [[cheatday]])
*Cheet (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*little yellow squeaky thing (Strong Bad, [[lackey]])
*[[Firebert]] (The Cheat, [[army]])
*That one little guy (Strong Bad, [[army]])
*yellow dog (Homestar, [[army]])
*The Friggin' Cheat (The Cheat, [[local news]])
*Squeaky (Motivational poster, [[no loafing]])
*Slowbie (Strong Bad, [[2 years]])
*Cheat-in-a-Bag (Strong Bad, [[impression]])
*Clever Dan (Strong Bad, [[sibbie]])
*dacheese (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[caper]])
*The Chekt (and The Che_t) (Strong Bad, [[secret recipies]])

'''Other'''
*Mr. Cheat[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] (Strong Bad, [[Strong Badia National Anthem]] on [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]])
*That yellow brick (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Strong Mad]]===
'''General'''
*Big Guy ([[Where's The Cheat?]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Graw Mad (Strong Bad, [[the facts]], [[garage sale]], [[keep cool]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Our Bass Player (Marzipan, [[Weclome Back]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Tough Skins (Strong Bad, [[Superbowl Dealie]])
*Strong Madchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Strong Madden ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Bo-hwee-moth (Strong Bad, [[looking old]])
*Chef Boyardee (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Biggest Bro (Strong Bad, [[the facts]])
*[[Killingyouguy]] (End credits, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Stlong Mad (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*no-neck (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Brain-for-brains (Strong Bad, [[invisibility]])
*House Mouth (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*Low-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[Strong Sad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*The Elephant Man (Coach Z, [[A Folky Tale]])
*Dairy Queen (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])

'''Shorts'''
*Rondell (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Half Man (Homestar Runner, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Strong Sadchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Thelonious Dump (Strong Bad, [[pizza joint]])
*Diaper stripe (Lil' Strong Bad, [[the paper]])
*Prancibald (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Trundle bed (Strong Bad, [[keep cool]])
*The Elephant-Footed Ghost Man (Strong Bad, [[myths & legends]])
*Biggest Waste of Dump (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*Double-Bottom (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*S² (Neils Bohr, [[boring (really)]])
*Helvetica (Senor Cardgage, [[garage sale]])
*The Lurker (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*DJ Dumpy Dump (Strong Bad, [[rampage]])
*M.C. for Master of Ceremonies (Coach Z, [[rampage]])
*My Dear Fatson (Strong Bad, [[best thing]])
*Harry Elephanté (Strong Bad, [[origins]])
*[[The Deathly Pallor]] (Strong Sad, [[radio]], Coach Z, [[impression]])
*Ol' Greystoke (Strong Bad, [[radio]])
*El Dumpo (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Doughboy (Homestar, [[dangeresque 3]])
*[[Tendafoot]] (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Gron Sad (Strong Bad, [[car]])
*wiggidy-wiener (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Dumpus (Strong Bad, [[autobiography]])
*That rhinoceros (Homsar, [[interview]])
*Interrupter Jones (Strong Bad, [[morning routine]])
*Stupid (Strong Bad, [[depressio]], [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*The Floating Head of Dooooom (Strong Sad, [[Main Page 23]])
*The fat Fisher-Price guy (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Pom Pom]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Roundy Man (Homestar, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*My main man, My dog, My ace in the hole (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Pom Pomchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Email '''
*The Big Cheese (Homestar, [[from work]])
*My dog Pom Pom (Homestar, [[myths & legends]])
*Hindenburg (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Led Zeppelin (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Ronnie (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]])

===[[Marzipan]]===
''' General '''
*Marzy (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]; Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])

''' Big Toons '''
*Old Maid Marzipan (Bubs, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Fox's mother (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Ms. Smarty-Pants (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*The Marzipan (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Marzi-person (Bubs, [[Weclome Back]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Mom-zipan (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Marzi-man (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Marzychu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*A Laugh Riot [[Grrl]] ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The girlfriend formerly known as Marzipan (Homestar, [[Jibblies 2]])

''' Marzipan's Answering Machine '''
*Brown (The Homestar Runner, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*Marz-pan (Grape Nuts Robot, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Marzipanio (Marzipan, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Mrs. Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])
*Ugly-Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship|Homestar's Girlfriend]] ([[Yearbook Character Page]])
*a dirty hippie...without the dirt (Strong Bad, [[Yearbook Character Page]])

===[[Coach Z]]===
'''Shorts'''
*Hourly Wage (Strong Bad, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Ebert (Strong Bad, [[the movies]])
*Ol' Butt Patterson (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Green Bubs (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Deborah (Homestar Runner, [[senior prom]])
*Cadet Z (Space Captainface, [[space program]])
*Coach Zed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*The Coach Z (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Coach B]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])
*The Big Z (Coach Z, [[diorama]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Coach Zchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*The Lyrical Wondermind (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])

'''Other'''
*Coach Zee (the apparent original spelling, [[Where My Hat Is At?]])

===[[Bubs]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Bubs-keep (Strong Bad, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Tubbs (Homsar, [[Where's The Cheat?]])
*Stranger (Marzipan, [[Welcome Back]])
'''Shorts'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Old Mr. Bubs (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Blue face man (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Great American Bubs (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Bubba-daddy (Homestar Runner, [[Senorial Day]])
*Bubsy (Coach Z, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Cornbread (Bubs as [[Dr. Christmas]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Bubsachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Orange Coach Z (Coach Z, [[road trip]])
*Old Man Bubs (Strong Bad, [[isp]])
*Bubs-O (Coach Z, [[geddup noise]])
*The Haggler (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*Mr. Bubs (Strong Bad, [[part-time job]])
*Sbu (Strong Bad, [[lunch special]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Zubs]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])

'''Other'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Broken Compy Menu]])

===[[The King of Town]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Santa (Homestar Runner, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]])

'''Short Toons'''
*Brother of Town (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Kingy-ding ([[The Little Chef Guy]], [[KOT's VOQPCS!]])
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Your Kentucky Fried-ness (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Oldie (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*"Your Highness" (Strong Bad, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Mr. Of Town (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Kingachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Clogdor (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*Old Bag (Strong Bad, [[boring (really)]])
*Old King Droll (Strong Bad, [[secret recipes]])
*Creepy Old Man (Strong Bad, [[the bet]])

''' Other '''
*Furious Fingers ([[Lappynapped!]])
*Kingio ([[Super Kingio Brothers]])
*The KoT ([[King of Town Main Page]])

===[[The Poopsmith]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*doodieman (Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Poop-Stick (Homestar, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Teddy Poopspin ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Poopachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Doodoo Man (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*mr.smith (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*the diapersmith ([[highschool]])

===[[Homsar]]===
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Shortstop (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*The ghost of Christmas past (Homsar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Homsar Salad Sandwich ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homsarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The Secret Guy (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*The Human Wedgie (Homsar, [[origins]])
*Haddi-man (kids, [[for kids]])
*Homestar (Homestar, [[looking old]])

''' Other '''
*Captain of the Gravy Train (Homsar, [[Homsar#Character Video Transcript|Homsar's Character Video]])
*Parson Brown (Homsar, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

==Minor Characters==
===[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]===

'''[[The Wheelchair]]'''
*That stupid wheelchair kid (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])

'''[[Eh! Steve!]]'''
*Steven (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*Eh. Steven. (Leomard Sportsinterviews, Email [[different town]])

'''[[Ready For Primetime]]'''

*Eh, Greg (Strong Bad, Email [[haircut]])
*SWEETIE CAKES (Strong Mad, Email [[haircut]])

===[[Old Timey]]===
'''[[Old-Timey Strong Bad]]'''
*Sir Strong Bad (Telegram sender Lord Elsington Hallstingdingdingworth, [[50 emails]])
*Uncle Strong Bad (Old-Timey Strong Bad, [[2 emails]])

'''[[Fat Dudley]]'''
*Fat Duds (The Homestar Runner, [[That A Ghost]])

'''[[The Sneak]]'''
*The Dapper Swindler ("Wanted" poster, [[Ballad of The Sneak]])

'''[[Mr. Shmallow]]'''
*That monster (The Homestar Runner, [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]])

===[[Cheat Commandos]]===
'''[[Reynold]]'''
*Reynold-a (Fightgar, [[Shopping for Danger]])
*Cheat Cuss-mando (Gunhaver, [[Commandos in the Classroom]])

'''[[Ser-g-geant Marshie]]'''
*this flying cotton ball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])

===[[Teen Girl Squad]]===
'''[[Teen Girl Squad]]'''
*fair maidens (DN'D Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*earthlings (SciFi Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*gals (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*grlfrndz (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*my Spanish galleons (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*my art galleries (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Worldwide Starlets (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Smartly Pretty (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Kissy Boots (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*You little brats (Mrs. So-and-So-erson, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*my gallies (Cheerleader, [[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad Issue 6]])
*the other girls (All girls except What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*T33n G1rl Squ4dx0rx!!11 (Page title; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[Cheerleader]]'''
*ms. thang (and the future ms. thang) (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*fattycakes (Intro description, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*rich [[grrl]] (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])
*hott type! (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[So and So]]'''
*Babysit (Tompkins, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Mark (Cut-Out Shirt Folding Store Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Over-Achiever Bandit (So and So, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Kristen (Cheerleader, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])
*Kristin-a (What's Her Face, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])

'''[[What's Her Face]]'''
*bunkmate (Raccoon Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*W HERFACE (Mailbox, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*the one with baggy pants (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*The new leader (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])

'''[[The Ugly One]]'''
*The Queen of Pay-Per-View (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Uggs (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Hotgly One (The Brothers Chaps, [[Sketchbook#SK-2005-10-20|Sketchbook]])
*The new leader (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*Young Man (Teacher; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

===[[20X6]]===
'''[[Stinkoman]]'''
*MY DOGE (Vector Strong Bad, [[alternate universe]])
*Sign Up Today Man ([[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*a demon on wheels (Stinkoman, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])

'''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]''' 
(All of these are from the [[Stinkomanual]].)
*'''Pooru-Pooru''' - punk cucumber
*'''Rose Blake''' - 'lectric burner
*'''Clowder''' - crotchety old cloud
*'''Astromund''' - astro style mund
*'''Piedmont''' - comedian
*'''Porchi''' - round-about
*'''Stafulter''' - flying plug-duck
*'''Postlethwaite''' - ol' P-thwaite
*'''Ditmars''' - NOT a tree and a blanket
*'''Ekersby''' - A jumble of good, good graphics
*'''Prudench''' - skrimps
*'''Dolmerlay''' - Dolmy
*'''Semulade''' - shark-ships
*'''Broodacre''' - jungle-ized bolcano, Broody

===Miscellaneous===
'''[[Bad Graphics Ghost]]'''
*Pixel Ghost (Strong Bad, [[strongbad_email.exe]] Disc Two menu)

'''[[Marshie]]'''
*Margie the Marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[Fan Costumes '06]])
*that freakin' marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006]])
*Marshy (Dan Miller, [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004]] track listing)
*that flying mushroom (Strong Bad, Email [[the show]])
*that fweakin' marshmallow (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])
*that fweakin' robot (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])

'''[[They Might Be Giants]]'''
*the old Supreme Giants Boys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*Super Giant guys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*The Super Giants (Homestar Runner, [[Experimental Film]])

'''John Flansburgh (of TMBG)'''
*Flans ([[Puppet Jam]])
*that one right there with the glasses (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*the glasses guy/that glasses guy (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]]: DVD version)

'''[[Carol]]'''
*Carl (The Cheat, [[Seasonal Sweaters]], Email [[marzipan]])

'''[[Señor]]'''
*Señor Ha-Ha-Ha-Havin' A Little Trouble (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Mr. Bland]]'''
*The prince of plain (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*The master of mundane (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[The Robot (storybook)|The Robot]]'''
*The walking metal robot (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Senor Cardgage]]'''
* T. Mendous Savings (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
* old denominator (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old wintergreen (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old Soderbergh (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* Senator Cardgage Bubs (Homestar Runner, Email [[original]])

'''[[Balding Man]]'''
* Husband of the Year (Narrator, [[Senorial Day]])

'''[[Li'l Brudder]]'''
* The king of the dregs (Singers, [[The Li'l Brudder Show]])

'''[[Visor Robot]]'''
* Valerie (Senor Cardgage, [[Senor Mortgage]])

'''[[Saddy Dumpington]]'''
* Ol' Dumps (Strong Sad, [[A Folky Tale]])
* Weird Snake Joe (Saddy Dumpington, [[A Folky Tale]])

'''[[Atari Dragon]]'''
*freakin' duck (Strong Bad, [[Main Page 13]], [[highschool]])

'''[[Trogdor]]'''
*Troggie (Strong Bad, [[Happy Trogday]])

'''[[Rather Dashing]]'''
*Rather Homely (The Blue Knight, [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]])

'''[[Tandy 400]]'''
*crappiest computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*that old buncha beige (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])

'''[[Compy 386]]'''
*crappier computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*three-eighty-sucks (Tandy 400, [[invisibility]])

'''[[Lappy 486]]'''
*lappy-pie (email [[retirement]])
*little lady (email [[retirement]])

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Name running gags]]

Nicknames

2007-12-20T12:59:59Z

Gaeamil: /* Teen Girl Squad */

[[Image:Wretchedsimmons.png|thumb|"Get it out of here, Wretched Simmons!"]]
Most [[characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner universe]] have been assigned a variety of '''nicknames''' by other characters, usually by [[Strong Bad]]. Strong Bad also gives nicknames to [[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender|those who send him emails]].

==Main Characters==
===[[Homestar Runner]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Fox's father (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Fat Yellow Blob (Strong Bad, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*My Dog (Bubs, [[A Folky Tale]])
*McDorkle (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Humphel (Coach Z, [[A Jorb Well Done]])
*Homestar von Runnerberger (Strong Bad, [[In Search of the Yello Dello Commentary]])
*Mr. Prancy-time (Strong Bad, [[The King of Town DVD]])

'''Shorts'''
*Supreme Overlord (Strong Bad, [[Ever and More!]])
*Brotherstar Runnerbrother (Bubs, [[Ever and More!]])
*The Deckeman (Homestar, [[No Hands On Deck!]])
*Desire Man (Strong Sad, [[Sbemail 150?!?]])
*Dumbstar (Strong Bad, [[The Interview]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*The Human Grate-On-My-Nerves (Strong Bad, [[Jibblies 2]])
*Shorty (Bubs, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*The old captain of the team (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*A real state trooper (Homsar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Homestarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homestar Riggidy Riggidy Runner ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Homeslice ([[Puppet Jam]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Officer Cheese-for-butt (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Homestar Bunmaker (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Old 'Strammy (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Wretched Simmons (Strong Bad, [[lady fan]])
*Mr. Dee Williams (Bubs, [[secret identity]])
*Kevin (Announcer, [[geddup noise]])
*Hal (Marzipan, [[time capsule]] DVD commentary)
*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad/Dangeresque, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Baldy (Strong Bad, [[haircut]])
*Duckie-man (The Prince of Town, [[flashback]])
*Duckshirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Prancibald (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Whitey (Doreauxgard, [[lackey]])
*Kevin DuBrow (Homestar, [[the bet]])
*edgardo (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Dumpface (Strong Bad, [[island]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*[[Wikipedia: Ghostface Killah|Goatface Killa]] (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Boyfriend Dan (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*The H-star, the H-star-R (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Sugar-face (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Dead Guy Perez, alternately known as the DGP (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Wikipedia:Lionel Richie|Lionel Richie]] (Strong Bad, [[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript| Homestar's character page]])

===[[Strong Bad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Strong Strong (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Strong Caleb (Strong Bad imitating Tucksworth, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Grandma (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Prisoner Number 5408 (Strong Sad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])
*Professor Tor Coolguy (Strong Sad and Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

'''Shorts'''
*Brother Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Salaried employee (Coach Z, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])
*Cool Guy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])
*Stong Bah (Homestar, [[Arcade Game]])

'''Powered By The Cheat'''
*B-hand (Powered by the Cheat Homestar, [[mile]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Strong-o Bad-o (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Miss America (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
*Strong Badchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*My Homie (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 3]])
*Rondo (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 2]])
*Rondleman (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])
*My D-O-G-E, My Dog (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Sam (Homestar, [[business trip]])
*Young whipper-snapper (The King of Town, [[slumber party]])
*B (Coach Z, [[hygiene]])
*Monster man (Homsar, [[mini-golf]])
*Strong Bo (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Spring Board (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Grendolyn (Senor Cardgage, [[rough copy]])
*Bontilda (Senor Cardgage, [[the movies]])
*Strong Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*Stro Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*S-bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*awesome (emailer Ter, [[coloring]])
*Backseat Bradley (Homestar, [[road trip]])
*Fatty bad (That guy, from that place, [[road trip]])
*Super Bad (emailer Jonathan Shaheen, [[theme song]])
*Myrtlebeth (Senor Cardgage, [[alternate universe]])
*Big Nose (Stinkoman, [[alternate universe]])
*Eggman (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Strong Body (Bubs, [[disconnected]])
*Head Bad (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Senor Muybueno (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Tip Tappers: Expensive Briefcase Carrier (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Vance (Daddy) Mudgeman (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Cara Carabowditbowdit (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Strongio da Baddio (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Strongest of the Bads (emailers Lorenzo and Fillbert, [[lady...ing]])
*Strong Bad The Good Dancer (Strong Bad, [[bottom 10]])
*Weak Bad (the sender of the email in [[bottom 10]])
*Sed Bed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*Ong-stray ad-bay (emailer Peter, [[rampage]])
*Chester Elegante (Strong Bad, [[dreamail]])
*Senator (Strong Sad, [[radio]])
*S to the B (emailer Justin Corcoran, [[extra plug]])
*Silne Zle (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*Elizagerth (Senor Cardgage, [[flashback]])
*No-shirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Weirdo (Strong Sad, [[different town]])
*Stupid (Homestar, [[army]])
*Ethel (Senor Cardgage, [[kind of cool]])
*Mr. Supreme (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Double A, All Abs (Strong Bad, [[suntan]])
*Reggie (Homsar, [[interview]])
*[[Stinkoman]] (Homestar, [[island]])
*Buckethand (Homestar, [[new hands]])
*Stark Dålig (Strong Bad, [[little questions]])
*Stong Band (Strong Bad as Monkey D, [[vacation]])
*Stong Bad (Emailer matt, [[50 emails]])
*[[Strong Badman]] (Strong Bad, [[superhero name]])
*Mr SuTo (Strong Bad, [[i rule#Commentary Transcript|i rule (commentary)]])

'''Teen Girl Squad'''
*Sir Hotbod Handsomeface (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*Lorenz Magazine Man (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*[[Aliases Used in Prank Calls#Goatface|Goatface]] (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Senator Bobblehead (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Senator Statesbob (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Bob Statesman (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Cableman Jorge (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])
*Sweepstakes Ron (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Safety Dan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])
*Dr. Professional (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]])
*Constable Anybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]])
*Detective Everybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]])
*Mr. Nobody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])

''' Other'''
*The Bee (Strong Bad, [[Sensitive To Bees]])
*No-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[The Cheat]]===
'''General'''
*The Chort (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]], [[rampage]], [[impression]], [[mascot]], [[crazy cartoon]], [[mile]] (Powered by The Cheat Coach Z), [[Rap Song]])
*DJ Teh Cheat (his DJ name, referenced in [[geddup noise]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Mr. Smarty-Spots (Strong Bad, [[Date Nite]])
*T.C. (Marzipan, [[Date Nite]])

'''Shorts'''
*Strong Mad's Girlfriend (Strong Bad, [[Summer Short Shorts]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Yellow Man (Homestar, [[Labor Dabor]] and [[Some Puppet Stuff]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Monchicheat (Strong Bad, [[Happy Hallow-day]])
*Philly Cheat-steak (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*Cheatachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Chocolate cake (Homsar, [[strong badathlon]])
*The Cheat Baxter-Birney ("starring", [[theme song]])
*The Cheato Bandito (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Squeak (Strong Bad, [[narrator]])
*The Cheatbot (Strong Bad, [[technology]])
*Mr. Tesmacher (Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry, [[secret identity]])
*Captain Past-His-Prime (Strong Bad, [[animal]])
*the ol' Cheatasaurus (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*The Cheatentina (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Ilko Skevüld (fake ID, [[cheatday]])
*Teh C. (The Cheat, [[cheatday]])
*Cheet (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*little yellow squeaky thing (Strong Bad, [[lackey]])
*[[Firebert]] (The Cheat, [[army]])
*That one little guy (Strong Bad, [[army]])
*yellow dog (Homestar, [[army]])
*The Friggin' Cheat (The Cheat, [[local news]])
*Squeaky (Motivational poster, [[no loafing]])
*Slowbie (Strong Bad, [[2 years]])
*Cheat-in-a-Bag (Strong Bad, [[impression]])
*Clever Dan (Strong Bad, [[sibbie]])
*dacheese (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[caper]])
*The Chekt (and The Che_t) (Strong Bad, [[secret recipies]])

'''Other'''
*Mr. Cheat[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] (Strong Bad, [[Strong Badia National Anthem]] on [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]])
*That yellow brick (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Strong Mad]]===
'''General'''
*Big Guy ([[Where's The Cheat?]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Graw Mad (Strong Bad, [[the facts]], [[garage sale]], [[keep cool]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Our Bass Player (Marzipan, [[Weclome Back]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Tough Skins (Strong Bad, [[Superbowl Dealie]])
*Strong Madchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Strong Madden ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Bo-hwee-moth (Strong Bad, [[looking old]])
*Chef Boyardee (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Biggest Bro (Strong Bad, [[the facts]])
*[[Killingyouguy]] (End credits, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Stlong Mad (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*no-neck (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Brain-for-brains (Strong Bad, [[invisibility]])
*House Mouth (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*Low-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[Strong Sad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*The Elephant Man (Coach Z, [[A Folky Tale]])
*Dairy Queen (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])

'''Shorts'''
*Rondell (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Half Man (Homestar Runner, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Strong Sadchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Thelonious Dump (Strong Bad, [[pizza joint]])
*Diaper stripe (Lil' Strong Bad, [[the paper]])
*Prancibald (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Trundle bed (Strong Bad, [[keep cool]])
*The Elephant-Footed Ghost Man (Strong Bad, [[myths & legends]])
*Biggest Waste of Dump (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*Double-Bottom (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*S² (Neils Bohr, [[boring (really)]])
*Helvetica (Senor Cardgage, [[garage sale]])
*The Lurker (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*DJ Dumpy Dump (Strong Bad, [[rampage]])
*M.C. for Master of Ceremonies (Coach Z, [[rampage]])
*My Dear Fatson (Strong Bad, [[best thing]])
*Harry Elephanté (Strong Bad, [[origins]])
*[[The Deathly Pallor]] (Strong Sad, [[radio]], Coach Z, [[impression]])
*Ol' Greystoke (Strong Bad, [[radio]])
*El Dumpo (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Doughboy (Homestar, [[dangeresque 3]])
*[[Tendafoot]] (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Gron Sad (Strong Bad, [[car]])
*wiggidy-wiener (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Dumpus (Strong Bad, [[autobiography]])
*That rhinoceros (Homsar, [[interview]])
*Interrupter Jones (Strong Bad, [[morning routine]])
*Stupid (Strong Bad, [[depressio]], [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*The Floating Head of Dooooom (Strong Sad, [[Main Page 23]])
*The fat Fisher-Price guy (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Pom Pom]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Roundy Man (Homestar, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*My main man, My dog, My ace in the hole (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Pom Pomchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Email '''
*The Big Cheese (Homestar, [[from work]])
*My dog Pom Pom (Homestar, [[myths & legends]])
*Hindenburg (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Led Zeppelin (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Ronnie (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]])

===[[Marzipan]]===
''' General '''
*Marzy (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]; Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])

''' Big Toons '''
*Old Maid Marzipan (Bubs, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Fox's mother (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Ms. Smarty-Pants (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*The Marzipan (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Marzi-person (Bubs, [[Weclome Back]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Mom-zipan (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Marzi-man (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Marzychu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*A Laugh Riot [[Grrl]] ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The girlfriend formerly known as Marzipan (Homestar, [[Jibblies 2]])

''' Marzipan's Answering Machine '''
*Brown (The Homestar Runner, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*Marz-pan (Grape Nuts Robot, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Marzipanio (Marzipan, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Mrs. Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])
*Ugly-Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship|Homestar's Girlfriend]] ([[Yearbook Character Page]])
*a dirty hippie...without the dirt (Strong Bad, [[Yearbook Character Page]])

===[[Coach Z]]===
'''Shorts'''
*Hourly Wage (Strong Bad, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Ebert (Strong Bad, [[the movies]])
*Ol' Butt Patterson (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Green Bubs (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Deborah (Homestar Runner, [[senior prom]])
*Cadet Z (Space Captainface, [[space program]])
*Coach Zed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*The Coach Z (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Coach B]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])
*The Big Z (Coach Z, [[diorama]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Coach Zchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*The Lyrical Wondermind (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])

'''Other'''
*Coach Zee (the apparent original spelling, [[Where My Hat Is At?]])

===[[Bubs]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Bubs-keep (Strong Bad, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Tubbs (Homsar, [[Where's The Cheat?]])
*Stranger (Marzipan, [[Welcome Back]])
'''Shorts'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Old Mr. Bubs (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Blue face man (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Great American Bubs (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Bubba-daddy (Homestar Runner, [[Senorial Day]])
*Bubsy (Coach Z, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Cornbread (Bubs as [[Dr. Christmas]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Bubsachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Orange Coach Z (Coach Z, [[road trip]])
*Old Man Bubs (Strong Bad, [[isp]])
*Bubs-O (Coach Z, [[geddup noise]])
*The Haggler (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*Mr. Bubs (Strong Bad, [[part-time job]])
*Sbu (Strong Bad, [[lunch special]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Zubs]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])

'''Other'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Broken Compy Menu]])

===[[The King of Town]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Santa (Homestar Runner, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]])

'''Short Toons'''
*Brother of Town (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Kingy-ding ([[The Little Chef Guy]], [[KOT's VOQPCS!]])
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Your Kentucky Fried-ness (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Oldie (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*"Your Highness" (Strong Bad, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Mr. Of Town (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Kingachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Clogdor (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*Old Bag (Strong Bad, [[boring (really)]])
*Old King Droll (Strong Bad, [[secret recipes]])
*Creepy Old Man (Strong Bad, [[the bet]])

''' Other '''
*Furious Fingers ([[Lappynapped!]])
*Kingio ([[Super Kingio Brothers]])
*The KoT ([[King of Town Main Page]])

===[[The Poopsmith]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*doodieman (Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Poop-Stick (Homestar, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Teddy Poopspin ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Poopachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Doodoo Man (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*mr.smith (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*the diapersmith ([[highschool]])

===[[Homsar]]===
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Shortstop (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*The ghost of Christmas past (Homsar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Homsar Salad Sandwich ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homsarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The Secret Guy (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*The Human Wedgie (Homsar, [[origins]])
*Haddi-man (kids, [[for kids]])
*Homestar (Homestar, [[looking old]])

''' Other '''
*Captain of the Gravy Train (Homsar, [[Homsar#Character Video Transcript|Homsar's Character Video]])
*Parson Brown (Homsar, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

==Minor Characters==
===[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]===

'''[[The Wheelchair]]'''
*That stupid wheelchair kid (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])

'''[[Eh! Steve!]]'''
*Steven (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*Eh. Steven. (Leomard Sportsinterviews, Email [[different town]])

'''[[Ready For Primetime]]'''

*Eh, Greg (Strong Bad, Email [[haircut]])
*SWEETIE CAKES (Strong Mad, Email [[haircut]])

===[[Old Timey]]===
'''[[Old-Timey Strong Bad]]'''
*Sir Strong Bad (Telegram sender Lord Elsington Hallstingdingdingworth, [[50 emails]])
*Uncle Strong Bad (Old-Timey Strong Bad, [[2 emails]])

'''[[Fat Dudley]]'''
*Fat Duds (The Homestar Runner, [[That A Ghost]])

'''[[The Sneak]]'''
*The Dapper Swindler ("Wanted" poster, [[Ballad of The Sneak]])

'''[[Mr. Shmallow]]'''
*That monster (The Homestar Runner, [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]])

===[[Cheat Commandos]]===
'''[[Reynold]]'''
*Reynold-a (Fightgar, [[Shopping for Danger]])
*Cheat Cuss-mando (Gunhaver, [[Commandos in the Classroom]])

'''[[Ser-g-geant Marshie]]'''
*this flying cotton ball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])

===[[Teen Girl Squad]]===
'''[[Teen Girl Squad]]'''
*fair maidens (DN'D Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*earthlings (SciFi Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*gals (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*grlfrndz (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*my Spanish galleons (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*my art galleries (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Worldwide Starlets (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Smartly Pretty (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Kissy Boots (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*You little brats (Mrs. So-and-So-erson, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*my gallies (Cheerleader, [[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad Issue 6]])
*the other girls (All girls except What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*T33n G1rl Squ4dx0rx!!11 (Page title; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[Cheerleader]]'''
*ms. thang (and the future ms. thang) (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*fattycakes (Intro description, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*rich [[grrl]] (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])
*hott type! (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[So and So]]'''
*Babysit (Tompkins, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Mark (Cut-Out Shirt Folding Store Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Over-Achiever Bandit (So and So, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Kristen (Cheerleader, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])
*Kristin-a (What's Her Face, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])

'''[[What's Her Face]]'''
*bunkmate (Raccoon Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*W HERFACE (Mailbox, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*the one with baggy pants (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*The new leader (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])

'''[[The Ugly One]]'''
*The Queen of Pay-Per-View (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Uggs (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Hotgly One (The Brothers Chaps, [[Sketchbook#SK-2005-10-20|Sketchbook]])
*The new leader (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*Young Man (Teacher; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

===[[20X6]]===
'''[[Stinkoman]]'''
*MY DOGE (Vector Strong Bad, [[alternate universe]])
*Sign Up Today Man ([[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*a demon on wheels (Stinkoman, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])

'''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]''' 
(All of these are from the [[Stinkomanual]].)
*'''Pooru-Pooru''' - punk cucumber
*'''Rose Blake''' - 'lectric burner
*'''Clowder''' - crotchety old cloud
*'''Astromund''' - astro style mund
*'''Piedmont''' - comedian
*'''Porchi''' - round-about
*'''Stafulter''' - flying plug-duck
*'''Postlethwaite''' - ol' P-thwaite
*'''Ditmars''' - NOT a tree and a blanket
*'''Ekersby''' - A jumble of good, good graphics
*'''Prudench''' - skrimps
*'''Dolmerlay''' - Dolmy
*'''Semulade''' - shark-ships
*'''Broodacre''' - jungle-ized bolcano, Broody

===Miscellaneous===
'''[[Bad Graphics Ghost]]'''
*Pixel Ghost (Strong Bad, [[strongbad_email.exe]] Disc Two menu)

'''[[Marshie]]'''
*Margie the Marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[Fan Costumes '06]])
*that freakin' marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006]])
*Marshy (Dan Miller, [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004]] track listing)
*This Flying Cottonball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])
*that flying mushroom (Strong Bad, Email [[the show]])
*that fweakin' marshmallow (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])
*that fweakin' robot (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])

'''[[They Might Be Giants]]'''
*the old Supreme Giants Boys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*Super Giant guys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*The Super Giants (Homestar Runner, [[Experimental Film]])

'''John Flansburgh (of TMBG)'''
*Flans ([[Puppet Jam]])
*that one right there with the glasses (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*the glasses guy/that glasses guy (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]]: DVD version)

'''[[Carol]]'''
*Carl (The Cheat, [[Seasonal Sweaters]], Email [[marzipan]])

'''[[Señor]]'''
*Señor Ha-Ha-Ha-Havin' A Little Trouble (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Mr. Bland]]'''
*The prince of plain (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*The master of mundane (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[The Robot (storybook)|The Robot]]'''
*The walking metal robot (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Senor Cardgage]]'''
* T. Mendous Savings (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
* old denominator (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old wintergreen (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old Soderbergh (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* Senator Cardgage Bubs (Homestar Runner, Email [[original]])

'''[[Balding Man]]'''
* Husband of the Year (Narrator, [[Senorial Day]])

'''[[Li'l Brudder]]'''
* The king of the dregs (Singers, [[The Li'l Brudder Show]])

'''[[Visor Robot]]'''
* Valerie (Senor Cardgage, [[Senor Mortgage]])

'''[[Saddy Dumpington]]'''
* Ol' Dumps (Strong Sad, [[A Folky Tale]])
* Weird Snake Joe (Saddy Dumpington, [[A Folky Tale]])

'''[[Atari Dragon]]'''
*freakin' duck (Strong Bad, [[Main Page 13]], [[highschool]])

'''[[Trogdor]]'''
*Troggie (Strong Bad, [[Happy Trogday]])

'''[[Rather Dashing]]'''
*Rather Homely (The Blue Knight, [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]])

'''[[Tandy 400]]'''
*crappiest computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*that old buncha beige (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])

'''[[Compy 386]]'''
*crappier computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*three-eighty-sucks (Tandy 400, [[invisibility]])

'''[[Lappy 486]]'''
*lappy-pie (email [[retirement]])
*little lady (email [[retirement]])

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Name running gags]]

Talk:Nicknames

2007-12-20T12:53:41Z

Gaeamil: /**/Strongest Man In The World

==Falsely Accused==
Um, some poor soul got WikiTrolled for adding "false" nicknames that were 100% genuine. The problem is that he slightly misattributed them - they weren't in kids' book per se, they were in Strumstar Hammer (the fake version of the original book.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:43, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

:My fault. I searched on [[kids' book]] and didn't see the nicknames, so I assumed it was a troll. I should've searched the names before I accused him. I'll remove him from [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and clean up all this mess. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:: Yeah, it's okay. Enough troll edits will make you paranoid, I know. Just hope we didn't offend him. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:37, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

:::I doubt he even knew he was on WikiTroll (or even what WikiTroll is). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
:::: I thought he might have been blocked, but that doesn't seem to be the case. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:49, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

==Wrestle-name==
Wasn't Homestar referring to Strong Mad when he talked about the 'two-bit wrestleman'? After all, he didn't know that Strong Bad was on Strong Badia's side before he saw him playing badminton. Thus, shouldn't 'two-bit wrestleman' be listed as a Strong Mad nickname, but 'Wrestleman' be listed as a Strong Bad nickname?
:From the transcript of [[army]]:
::''{scene changes to The Stick}''

::'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Are you sick and tired of playing second-fiddle to a two bit wrestle man and his yellow dog?

::'''CROWD''': YEAH!
:I think Homestar is talking about Strong Bad and The Cheat here. I don't think Homestar refers to Strong Mad at all in the email. From reading the rest of Homestar's speech, it would seem he is referring to other things that either Strong Bad has done or Strong Bad has.
:So as of right now, the nicknames listed are correct in this respect.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:52, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Meatball Face Butt ==

*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])

I removed this because Meatball Face Butt isn't technically attributed by Strong Bad to Homestar. It's given by [[Dangeresque]] to [[Dangeresque Too|Dangeresque]]. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 05:45, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

Also, that was more insult than nickname. [[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 17:38, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== An Ogre ==

*an ogre (Marzipan, [[dreamail]])

Surely this doesn't count as a nickname? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 06:02, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

== One character = another? ==

Does it count when one character (usually Homestar) refers to another character with a third character's name - ie. when Homestar calls Strong Bad "Strong Sad" in [[caper]], or when he calls Strong Bad "Pom Pom" in [[the facts]]? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:59, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Homsar calls himself ==

Should the names that Homsar calls himself really be included? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 20:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
: We counted it when Homestar called himself "Batman", or when Strong Bad called himself Stark Dålig. So why not? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:48, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:: But do things like "a song from the sixties" belong there? Those seem more like descriptive phrases than nicknames. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I think a good way to settle this is to move them to a new section on [[Homsar]]'s biography, similar to how with did with [[Coach Z]]'s mispronunced words. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
== Still haven't done it! ==
Seriously, put " Song from the Sixties with Homsar! --[[User:Trog-Boy90]]

Unless we haven't already done this, we should also make a separate page for [[Senor Cardgage]] portmanteaus. [[User:The Big Eye|The Big Eye]] 17:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Stupid baby brother ==

*My stupid baby brother (Strong Bad, [[different town]])

I removed this because of its being a direct description of Strong Sad's person (in Strong Bad's point of view, mind you), not a different name for him, nor is it being used as such. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 01:18, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Already taken care of? ==

Is it just me, or does all of this info already exist on the character pages (also known as...)? Is a completely seperate page necessary to this wiki anyway? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 02:30, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
: It's just you :) Seriously, though, you're right that there is overlap, but the a.k.a. sections on character pages also include alternate incarnations (such as Dr. Christmas for Bubs) that aren't nicknames. The nickname page is just kinda fun by itself, I don't know why. [[User:Eric|Eric]] 12:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Dapper Swindler==

Do you think that [[The Dapper Swindler]] should also be included here? [[User:84.10.229.242|84.10.229.242]] 09:29, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I was going to say no, because I'm pretty sure it's The Sneak's only nickname, but Balding Man, Visor Robot and others are listed with only one, so... Yeah, I think it should be included (though I'd wait for others to second this before adding it). -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 09:48, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Seconded and added. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:00, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Dangeresque character names- nicknames?==

Okay, let me ask this once and for all, so I can get my confusion cleared up here: can the Dangeresque character names be considered nicknames? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 04:14, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I would say no because they're characters in movies that Strong Bad made. They're fictional characters, but saying these are nicknames is kind of like calling actors by the names of characters they've played. [[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 06:08, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I added KILLINGYOUGUY to Strong Mad's section because in the end credits it lists Killingyouguy as Himself.

:::Shouldn't KILLINGYOUGUY be listed for Strong Mad and Strong Sad then? Because the character KILLINGYOUGUY was played by both... characters. Anon

== Low and No ==

Strong Sad calls his brothers 'Low-brow' and 'No-brow' in his latest blog entry to these count as nicknames from Strong Mad and Strong Bad? [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

Sounds logical. If you can figure out which Strong is Low-Brow and which one is No-Brow I'd say go for it.

:Strong Bad's no-brow, because he has no brows... I think. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

::Also, "lowbrow" = "unintellectual"; that fits Strong Mad, I think. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah but brow also means forehead, Strong Bad could be low brow since he's not exactly 'cultured' and Strong Mad could be no brow since he has no forehead. I'm just throwing this out there as a possibility. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

== Eh! Greg ==

I think there's some disagreement here. I'm pretty sure that SB's 'Eh! Greg' was him forgetting Eh! Steve's name, not making Eh! Steve adress Prime Time. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:I took it not as SB forgetting, but agreeing that this creation was very much ''like'' Eh! Steve, but not the same; hence he would need a similar but not-the-same name. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::But is the name given to his drawing of Eh! Steve or Ready for Prime Time? That's what would determine where the nickname would go. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Ready for Prime Time. You could argue that its name is Eh! Greg, but certainly not Eh! Steve. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:52, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Mustachioed Homestar Runner ==

How do we know that the Mustachioed Homestar Runner is nicknamed "Fabrosi" in [[lady...ing]]? Yes, the person who "sent" in the old email was called Fabrosi but just because M.H.R. followed Strong Bad's advice doesn't mean that he sent in the email. I don't see a strong enough link for this one. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:17, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
:I agree. Not a strong enough link to link the two. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 17:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hang on! I've just watched it again and changed my mind! Observe:

::'''''STRONG BAD:''' 2nd and 3rd best friends?? What about Fabrosi? What'd you two do to Fabrosi? Eh, whatever. That guy's probably out lady-ing with that '''fake mustache he always wears.''' It's only gonna attract gold-diggers.''

::If M.H.R. is really Homestar Runner, or at least a clone with a fake mustache, then perhaps that's his nickname after all. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 22:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Good point, but I'm still thinking it's not a strong enough link to make this a definitive case. Perhaps if we added ''(debatable)'' to the reference? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

== Splitting In Characters ==
I don't really see the point of splitting nick names by the type of toon they come from. The names themselves aren't really affected by the toon, so to me it seems distracting and stretches the TOC. I liked it when it was just alphabetical. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:I'll second that. This doesn't look as nice. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Hang on a sec... Why are these being split. (That's what I was going to post, and I see two people are already asking the question.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:57, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I was just helping - it looked like a good documentation effort to me, but come to think of it, I agree that it's making things cumbersome. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Really, too many headers is bad. It's fine to split things like this when there's only one thing that needs splitting, like normal fun facts, but when there's this many it just looks bad. And long. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:::::Everything else is grouped by category. The list itself it serious long and looks ugly random. Actually is looks horrible. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I have an idea: To organize the nicknames the way IRF is going for, without affecting the formatting too much, why don't we just do it like this?:

*Nickname from big toon (character, toon)
*Nickname2 from big toon (character, toon)
*Nickname3 from big toon (character, toon)
 
*Nickname from SBEmail (character, email)
*Nickname2 from SBEmail (character, email)
*... and so on

This way, you'd have the nicknames grouped together by toon type, but you wouldn't run into the huge TOC like we were before. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:...because the type of toon doesn't effect the name at all. It'll be easier for someone to find the nickname they're looking for if they're all laid out in a simple, logical order. Like alphabetical. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:''[Edit conflict]'' I don't see how grouping by toon type is an improvement, because then you've just got a list that's not in alphabetical order. My question is this, why would you need to search for a nickname in the context of what type of toon it is? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:26, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::That's exactly my point! Splitting isn't good unless it splits it in a way that aids the average reader in finding what he's looking for. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''Edit Conflict''': Perhaps someone might look for a list of nicknames being used at a specific toon? Would a separate page ordered in this manner be of any benefit?--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::If this were the case, they should be looking at that toon's page. The toon pages should have these nicknames in like the "fun facts" section or something. [[User:Awesomermustang|Awesomermustang]] 19:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::What about consistency? NOTHING else is listed in alphabetical order. Everything is listed in order of appearance. Menus, filmograhpies, other lists such as [[What_are_you_supposed_to_be]], [[Hanging_Objects]], [[Minor_Alternate_Versions]]... I could go on and on because everything on the wiki is listed by category. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Yes, but these aren't listed entirely in alphabetical order either. They're listed by ''character''. Alphabetical order is just an unobtrusive sub-classification. And many other pages use similar, sub-alphabetical order classifications. Such as [[Characters]], [[Items]], [[Sightings]] and [[Games]]. (Although some of these only partially do so.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:38, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I would look at your examples again because not one of them used alphabetic lists. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Noted that these pages are inconsistent in their formatting - some of them are done alphabetically (in some cases by last name), while others are done in order of popularity, rank, relevance, etc., and some seem random. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::That is beside the point. The fact is using alphabetically order isn't inconsistant, as some of these pages do use it. Partially. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm switching my position. After looking closely at the article [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Nicknames&oldid=199436 with categories], splitting does add a certain nuance. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well it seems that Joshua and Dorian Gray are the only 'no' opinions here. I'd like to get some more input here before I spend time only to have some reverted. How about something like this:

'''Big Toons'''
:*Nickname (character, toon)
:*Nickname2 (character, toon)
'''Shorts'''
:*Nickname (character, toon)
:*Nickname2 (character, toon)

{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:02, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:Better, but I still don't like it. The nicknames are easy to locate and browse through now. All those do is lengthen the page and make it a little bit harder to find individual nicknames, as you don't always know what type of toon the nickname you're looking for came from. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::Also, no one complained when I did this [[Fourth_Wall_Breaks]] about a week ago. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately we're working with a more complicated "dataset" for lack of a better word. Your [[Fourth_Wall_Breaks]] rearrangement looks great because there is only two sublevels of information to deal with: the toons, and the breaks that happen in each toon. This beast is a little more complicated to tame. You are trying to create three sublevels of information: the character, the toon, and then the nickname for each toon. This adds a level of complexity that is not as pleasing to the eye. So coming up with something that both looks more organized and is simple enough to look at, is tricky, at best. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

On a New Page...

I'd still like to see a new page that looks something like this:

'''Toon Name'''
:*Nickname (of character x) given by character y
:*Nickname2 (of character x) given by character y
'''Toon Name2'''
:*Nickname (of character x) given by character y
:*Nickname2 (of character x) given by character y

That way we could skim through the toons to see what nicknames were being used throughout that toon. The toons themselves could be ordered chonologically. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:55, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

: This discussion brings to mind a question: Do we have the ability to do more complex scripting in Wiki pages? This seems like an ideal place to create a small relational database, and to create a frontend page that allows users to sort and organize the data however they like. So you'd have a table that contains the character, their nickname, who said it, what toon it was from, and when the toon was released, and the webpage could very easily sort by any one or two of these items. If such scripting is possible, I'd be happy to do it - this sort of thing is what I do for a living. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::That kind of thing would be nice, but I'm not sure it's possible under our current security settings (and I'm not talking about the recent vandalism, just the way the wiki is set up in general). Changing it would probably require extensive modifications to the code. I didn't really make a case for splitting the nicknames up there, so I will do so now: When you [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Nicknames&oldid=199436 split them into categories], you notice that the nicknames the characters use in Marzipan's Answering Machine, for example, are quite similar to each other, and of a completely different style from those in Big Toons. From the standpoint of simply browsing of the article, having them categorized is therefore more interesting than a simple alphabetical list. And, really, when are you going to search for one that alphabetical order would come in handy. (Even in that case, there's always Ctrl+F.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::'''Edit Conflict''': LoL I think i've heard it being mentioned before and sounds like a neat idea. Unfortunately MediaWiki is not built to handle such dynamic content (as far as I know). But the source code is just PHP working on a MySQL database. The nice thing is that mediawiki is [[MetaWikipedia:Write_your_own_MediaWiki_extension|extendible]] I have [[User:Tom|Tom]] to thank for that [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions|awesome link]]. Getting permission from the administration is totally different. If you're going to code for mediawiki, I strongly suggest [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download installing] a copy on your computer to play with. I assume you know how to get MySQL and Apache (or eek! IIS) running. Good Luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::'''Addendum''': Dot Com is right, what I was vaguely referring to by permission was that yeah adding code can open up the site to all sorts of attack. My guess would be perhaps a more compact, simple, and secure extension would be more attractive to admins? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:16, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds like it would be easiest to just create the page statically. T'was an idea, but it doesn't sound like it's worth the effort required. So, any way to do the categorization without affecting the TOC? (Or perhaps we can make a static TOC as well?) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::A manual TOC would be a workaround, but a better one would be to make categories using something other than sections. Simple big, '''bold''' text would do fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
What about:
<big><big>'''Character'''</big></big>
{| style=" border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|-
! Nickname || Given by || appeared in
|-
| colspan="3" | <center>'''Big Toons'''</center>
|-
| example1
| strong bad
| toon
|-
| example2
| strong bad
| toon
|-
| example3
| strong bad
| toon
|-
| colspan="3" | <center>'''Shorts'''</center>
|-
| example4
| strong bad
| toon
|}
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:00, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'm good with that. Helps to make the thing more legible, too. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::That's kinda complicated. How about something simple. See the page as it is now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::That looks pretty nice, actually. Good jorb! {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:12, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::The question is then, when the a character gives another character several nicknames in one toon are they listing on the same line (such as Hamstray, Hamster, Stramstar, Stairmaster, Homegrown, Ramrod, Humphel (Coach Z, A Jorb Well Done)) or on different line like flashback is now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Well, Coach Z says all of those pretty much in one breath, so I can see how we would justify putting them on one line. And I don't mind the flashbacks being on several lines. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Now within each section should the items be listed alphabetically or in date order? Just let me know and I'll start on it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I vote alphabetical. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I vote date order. That keeps all the flashbacks together, which should be a secondary goal if we're really going to organize the page topically. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I will wait again to get more feedback {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't have a strong opinion either way on this - alphabetical order might make it easier to find the nickname in question, but I can also see how most people visiting this page are going to be more interested in the context of the nickname (and discovering nicknames rather than knowing a specific one), so grouping by toon / chronological order makes sense. Go for it! (and lemme know if I can help!) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::To put it another way, if we're putting the nicknames in categories based on the type of toon they come from, we should then take the next logical step of grouping them by toon. Chronological order therefore makes sense. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:38, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I finished my work on this page this morning. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== pix ==

this page needs just a few pictures.--{{User:Benol/sig}} 02:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:I disagree. This is more of a list, and a picture or two might clutter it. Besides, the subject of the page really doesn't translate into picture form that well either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Marzipan's Answering Machine ==

Invisible Robot Fish, you made two changes I don't understand:

1. You moved Senator Bobblehead to Homestar's section. This is not correct. Apparently you interpreted it as a jab at Homestar, but Strong Bad would not have had Bobblehead handily winning the election if it was supposed to be a Homestar slam. Senator Bobblehead is just the conclusion of the Bob Statesman - Senator Statesbob - Senator Bobblehead corruption; all three are the same character. Can we move it back where it belongs?

2. You deleted the dialog snippets for Mr. Nobody et al. Why? These provide useful context, and it can be argued that they are extensions of the characters' names. What was the harm?

On the other hand, thanks for reverting my Ron Dardman error. It didn't quite click that the name in the parentheses was already understood to be the person speaking, rather than the person aliased; but now I get it. And thanks to KieferSkunk for putting little underbite man in the right place. D'oh!

[[User:Bill|Bill]] 16:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:I didn't mean to move anything. I apologize. I thoought I put it back in the right spot but I guess not. I was mainly keeping the confirmity of this page. Each item is listed as ''Nickname (person_who_said_it, where_it_appeared)''. I think we all realize that many of these are not ''actually'' nicknames but rather names in which a character is reffered. I don't think its nessesary to put all that explanation into the parenthesis since it's just a list and not a commentary. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::Point taken, although I think it's helpful to have the context listed ''somewhere''. Okay, how about this then: I'll create a new entry for all of Strong Bad's obviously bogus aliases, make it a Running Gag, and put the text snippets on that page. This should at least be as legitimate a running gag as names ending in -erson, right? [[User:Bill|Bill]] 17:07, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds kosher to me. I'd wait to get feedback from some more people though if I were you. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:10, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Here's feedback: I like that idea Bill. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I concur - Strong Bad's Answering Machine aliases seem to be in a category all their own. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 06:20, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Lol! The act of [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=concur concurring] and [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=concurrence concurrence] are two different things! Oh, wait maybe not. They ''can'' be the same. For concurrence I use the defition ''the simultaneous occurrence of events or circumstances''. Anyway, I too, concur. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 12:37, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I created the page as [[Obviously Phony Aliases]]. Since a couple of other characters have done basically the same thing, it seemed appropriate to make it generic. See what you think. {{User:Bill/sig}} 12:53, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

==Putting "The Chort" in Order==
I managed to combine all of the times Coach Z called The Cheat "The Chort" in four Strong Bad E-mails to free up possible space for future nicknames for him. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 11:40 PM US EST Dec 8 2005
:I took it a step further, and put all of The Chorts together at the top. That just seems to be Coach Z's name for The Cheat, regardless of the context. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

== portrait de SB? ==
In [[portrait]], the portrait of Strong Bad is labeled "Strongio de Badio". Would this be a nickname, or no, because it's the title of the portrait, not SB? {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:20, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:It could be considered a nickname, I guess. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::Just a note: It actually reads "Strongio '''da''' Baddio" - you can verify this by viewing the Flash file and zooming in. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:38, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Really? It looks like Strongio ''De'' Badio. Weird. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:Strongiodabadio.PNG|thumb|No '''Da!''']]
::::Nope, see for yourself. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== TOC cleanup ==

I'm thinking of changing the nav headers for the individual minor characters to plain-text headers so they don't appear in the table of contents. This would reduce the "Minor Characters" section to six subsections (for each of the universes they belong to) and reduce the overall size of the TOC. I think this would make sense especially since most of those characters have only one or two "nicknames" listed. Any objections? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:No objections here. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

== Better Organization ==
I'm thinking that the nickname giver would make a better and more relevant subcategory than the type of toon. :S - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
:That's been annoying me for quite a bit. I agree, it would. Or maybe negative names and positive names... I still think the name giver would be better. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 19:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
::I think the organization is good the way it already is. Note that this is discussed extensively above. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
:::I do agree with Dot com, but I do think that the negative/positive organization is a good idea. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Hey guys, I was just thinking about this, maybe we could make different pages each having a different orgainization, so the reader could pick wether to look for information alphabetically by nickname, alphabetically by name-giver, or as it is now, depending on what he/she knows about the nickname, and we could make this page be the navigation for it all. I don't mind doing the dirty work. I dunno what you guys think, but it's a thought. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 20:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::We discussed that topic a while ago (see further up on this talk page), when I brought up the possibility of making this page database-driven so you could organize the list in a variety of ways. It was decided then that we should stick with a single-page list where everything is organized as best as possible. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar's Nicknames==

The Coach Z nicknames are mispronounciations, not nicknames.

== Scope Of This Page ==

I think many of the "nicknames" here are not properly nicknames. Exs:

* Homsar says to Homestar, "You're a real state trooper!" Is this really a nickname? I don't think so. He could have said this to anyone who dropped anything into his bucket.
*sb and ds in [[keep cool]] - these are labels, not nicknames. They are simply identifying marks. Not notable (here), in my opinion.
*'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Oh! That little yellow thing! Wake up! - ''little yellow thing'' is not a nickname, it's a description.
*'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Are you sick and tired of playing second-fiddle to a two bit wrestle man and his yellow dog? - again, ''yellow dog'' is a description, not a nickname.

Oh, how I could go on. Let me propose a few guidelines for discussion.

#A nickname is spoken in almost every case, as is the nature of nicknames.
#A nickname is not simply a description of the individual.
#A nickname is not applicable to another character acting in the same situation.
#A nickname is not simply a phrase one uses to refer to themself or others.
#A nickname IS a moniker applied to a character which is reasonably unique to that character and no other, useful as a direct referrent for the character, and will normally embody some trait or perception of the character.
#A nickname normally takes the form of a proper noun.

So "Duckshirt" and "Graw Mad" are nicknames. "A round mound of gray fatness" and "a crazy man from another country" are not. Thoughts (before I begin pruning in a day or so)? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
: I see where you're coming from, but I'm kinda neutral. There's sort of a gray area where things could be nicknames or could not - see [[big white face]] for some examples (on SB's computer). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'm with you there. One could call one's computer-based moniker for a person a "nickname" - in fact, we're doing it right now. That's why I said "spoken in almost every case". Can you suggest a clarification? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with you, Qermaq. Descriptions like "yellow dog" is '''not''' a nickname, but Graw Mad definitely is. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm glad you agree, but can the boundaries be refined any? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:45, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, started going nuts. I eliminated any entries that were clerarly against the above<s>, plus I assumed a nickname would be used as a proper noun (which i should have included above) so those are out too</s>. I was a bit conservative, I think. Before I continue, feel free to present arguments. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:30, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Let me further add: some deleted pseudo-nicknames might be notable but not as nicknames. Some are purely descriptions, some are "labels" never spoken as nicknames (like saving a pic of an enemy on your computer with the fileame "dumb idiot"), some are just mispronunciations of the name. At least one is arguably his real name. None of these can be considered "nicknames". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:What about "My dog(e)"? Are these nicknames? I think it'd be clearly a nickname if Homestar called someone "Dog". But "my dog"? Sounds to me like it's "simply a phrase one uses to refer to themself or others." Opinions? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I've purged a lot of items based on their not being true nicknames. I feel I was liberal, take that into account; some remaining might not be worthy. This is a start though. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:22, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

From [http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=Nickname webster.com]:
<blockquote>Main Entry: '''nick·name''' 
Pronunciation: 'nik-"nAm 
Function: ''noun'' 
Etymology: Middle English ''nekename'' additional name, alteration (resulting from misdivision of an ''ekename'') of ''ekename'', from ''eke'' eke, also + ''name'' name 
'''1 :''' a usually descriptive name given instead of or in addition to the one belonging to a person, place, or thing 
'''2 :''' a familiar form of a proper name (as of a person or a city)</blockquote>
--[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

== The Paper ==
can't remember the e-mail but i remember strong bad saying
"talk to the man with the green and white stripes"[[User:Foogs|Foogs.]] 01:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
:Well, we do [[google:"green+and+white+stripes"+site:hrwiki.org|have a wiki]], y'know. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

== my dog ==

I think that in Folky Tale, Bubs was refering to someone else when he was talking to homestar on the phone, so "my dog" isnt a nickname for homestar. He said something along the lines of "Yea, he was my dog too." That was reference to whoever Homestar did something too that made bubs believe he had to leave town. So, yea, 'mydog' isnt a nickname for homestar. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 01:36, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
:Listen more closely. He says "Yeah, you is my dog too." So it is. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:37, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow. So your right. Sorry bout that. Everyone just disregard that. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 01:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strongest Man In The World ==

*'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, if it isn't the big fat yellow blob and Pom Pom.
Could this possibly count as a nickname for Homestar?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Nicknames

2007-12-20T12:48:11Z

Gaeamil: /* Strong Sad */

[[Image:Wretchedsimmons.png|thumb|"Get it out of here, Wretched Simmons!"]]
Most [[characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner universe]] have been assigned a variety of '''nicknames''' by other characters, usually by [[Strong Bad]]. Strong Bad also gives nicknames to [[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender|those who send him emails]].

==Main Characters==
===[[Homestar Runner]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Fox's father (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*My Dog (Bubs, [[A Folky Tale]])
*McDorkle (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Humphel (Coach Z, [[A Jorb Well Done]])
*Homestar von Runnerberger (Strong Bad, [[In Search of the Yello Dello Commentary]])
*Mr. Prancy-time (Strong Bad, [[The King of Town DVD]])

'''Shorts'''
*Supreme Overlord (Strong Bad, [[Ever and More!]])
*Brotherstar Runnerbrother (Bubs, [[Ever and More!]])
*The Deckeman (Homestar, [[No Hands On Deck!]])
*Desire Man (Strong Sad, [[Sbemail 150?!?]])
*Dumbstar (Strong Bad, [[The Interview]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*The Human Grate-On-My-Nerves (Strong Bad, [[Jibblies 2]])
*Shorty (Bubs, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*The old captain of the team (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*A real state trooper (Homsar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Homestarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homestar Riggidy Riggidy Runner ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Homeslice ([[Puppet Jam]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Officer Cheese-for-butt (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Homestar Bunmaker (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Old 'Strammy (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Wretched Simmons (Strong Bad, [[lady fan]])
*Mr. Dee Williams (Bubs, [[secret identity]])
*Kevin (Announcer, [[geddup noise]])
*Hal (Marzipan, [[time capsule]] DVD commentary)
*Meatball Face Butt (Strong Bad/Dangeresque, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Baldy (Strong Bad, [[haircut]])
*Duckie-man (The Prince of Town, [[flashback]])
*Duckshirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Prancibald (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Whitey (Doreauxgard, [[lackey]])
*Kevin DuBrow (Homestar, [[the bet]])
*edgardo (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Dumpface (Strong Bad, [[island]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*[[Wikipedia: Ghostface Killah|Goatface Killa]] (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Boyfriend Dan (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*The H-star, the H-star-R (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Sugar-face (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]])
*Dead Guy Perez, alternately known as the DGP (Homestar, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Wikipedia:Lionel Richie|Lionel Richie]] (Strong Bad, [[Homestar Runner#Character Video Transcript| Homestar's character page]])

===[[Strong Bad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Strong Strong (Homestar, [[Date Nite]])
*Strong Caleb (Strong Bad imitating Tucksworth, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Grandma (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Prisoner Number 5408 (Strong Sad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])
*Professor Tor Coolguy (Strong Sad and Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

'''Shorts'''
*Brother Strong Bad (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Salaried employee (Coach Z, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])
*Cool Guy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])
*Stong Bah (Homestar, [[Arcade Game]])

'''Powered By The Cheat'''
*B-hand (Powered by the Cheat Homestar, [[mile]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Strong-o Bad-o (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Miss America (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
*Strong Badchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*My Homie (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 3]])
*Rondo (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 2]])
*Rondleman (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])
*My D-O-G-E, My Dog (Puppet Homestar, [[Biz Cas Fri 1]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Sam (Homestar, [[business trip]])
*Young whipper-snapper (The King of Town, [[slumber party]])
*B (Coach Z, [[hygiene]])
*Monster man (Homsar, [[mini-golf]])
*Strong Bo (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Spring Board (Coach Z, [[Accent]])
*Grendolyn (Senor Cardgage, [[rough copy]])
*Bontilda (Senor Cardgage, [[the movies]])
*Strong Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*Stro Bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*S-bro (Homestar, [[4 branches]])
*awesome (emailer Ter, [[coloring]])
*Backseat Bradley (Homestar, [[road trip]])
*Fatty bad (That guy, from that place, [[road trip]])
*Super Bad (emailer Jonathan Shaheen, [[theme song]])
*Myrtlebeth (Senor Cardgage, [[alternate universe]])
*Big Nose (Stinkoman, [[alternate universe]])
*Eggman (Homestar, [[disconnected]])
*Strong Body (Bubs, [[disconnected]])
*Head Bad (Coach Z, [[disconnected]])
*Senor Muybueno (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Tip Tappers: Expensive Briefcase Carrier (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Vance (Daddy) Mudgeman (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Cara Carabowditbowdit (Strong Bad, [[secret identity]])
*Strongio da Baddio (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Strongest of the Bads (emailers Lorenzo and Fillbert, [[lady...ing]])
*Strong Bad The Good Dancer (Strong Bad, [[bottom 10]])
*Weak Bad (the sender of the email in [[bottom 10]])
*Sed Bed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*Ong-stray ad-bay (emailer Peter, [[rampage]])
*Chester Elegante (Strong Bad, [[dreamail]])
*Senator (Strong Sad, [[radio]])
*S to the B (emailer Justin Corcoran, [[extra plug]])
*Silne Zle (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*Elizagerth (Senor Cardgage, [[flashback]])
*No-shirt (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*Weirdo (Strong Sad, [[different town]])
*Stupid (Homestar, [[army]])
*Ethel (Senor Cardgage, [[kind of cool]])
*Mr. Supreme (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]] Easter egg in [[kids' book]])
*Double A, All Abs (Strong Bad, [[suntan]])
*Reggie (Homsar, [[interview]])
*[[Stinkoman]] (Homestar, [[island]])
*Buckethand (Homestar, [[new hands]])
*Stark Dålig (Strong Bad, [[little questions]])
*Stong Band (Strong Bad as Monkey D, [[vacation]])
*Stong Bad (Emailer matt, [[50 emails]])
*[[Strong Badman]] (Strong Bad, [[superhero name]])
*Mr SuTo (Strong Bad, [[i rule#Commentary Transcript|i rule (commentary)]])

'''Teen Girl Squad'''
*Sir Hotbod Handsomeface (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*Lorenz Magazine Man (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*[[Aliases Used in Prank Calls#Goatface|Goatface]] (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]])
*Senator Bobblehead (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Senator Statesbob (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Bob Statesman (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]])
*Cableman Jorge (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])
*Sweepstakes Ron (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Safety Dan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]])
*Dr. Professional (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]])
*Constable Anybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]])
*Detective Everybody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]])
*Mr. Nobody (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])

''' Other'''
*The Bee (Strong Bad, [[Sensitive To Bees]])
*No-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[The Cheat]]===
'''General'''
*The Chort (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]], [[rampage]], [[impression]], [[mascot]], [[crazy cartoon]], [[mile]] (Powered by The Cheat Coach Z), [[Rap Song]])
*DJ Teh Cheat (his DJ name, referenced in [[geddup noise]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Mr. Smarty-Spots (Strong Bad, [[Date Nite]])
*T.C. (Marzipan, [[Date Nite]])

'''Shorts'''
*Strong Mad's Girlfriend (Strong Bad, [[Summer Short Shorts]])

'''Puppet Stuff'''
*Yellow Man (Homestar, [[Labor Dabor]] and [[Some Puppet Stuff]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Monchicheat (Strong Bad, [[Happy Hallow-day]])
*Philly Cheat-steak (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*Cheatachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Chocolate cake (Homsar, [[strong badathlon]])
*The Cheat Baxter-Birney ("starring", [[theme song]])
*The Cheato Bandito (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])
*Squeak (Strong Bad, [[narrator]])
*The Cheatbot (Strong Bad, [[technology]])
*Mr. Tesmacher (Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry, [[secret identity]])
*Captain Past-His-Prime (Strong Bad, [[animal]])
*the ol' Cheatasaurus (Strong Bad, [[other days]])
*The Cheatentina (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Ilko Skevüld (fake ID, [[cheatday]])
*Teh C. (The Cheat, [[cheatday]])
*Cheet (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*little yellow squeaky thing (Strong Bad, [[lackey]])
*[[Firebert]] (The Cheat, [[army]])
*That one little guy (Strong Bad, [[army]])
*yellow dog (Homestar, [[army]])
*The Friggin' Cheat (The Cheat, [[local news]])
*Squeaky (Motivational poster, [[no loafing]])
*Slowbie (Strong Bad, [[2 years]])
*Cheat-in-a-Bag (Strong Bad, [[impression]])
*Clever Dan (Strong Bad, [[sibbie]])
*dacheese (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Batman (Homestar, [[caper]])
*The Chekt (and The Che_t) (Strong Bad, [[secret recipies]])

'''Other'''
*Mr. Cheat[[Names ending in -erson|erson]] (Strong Bad, [[Strong Badia National Anthem]] on [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]])
*That yellow brick (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Strong Mad]]===
'''General'''
*Big Guy ([[Where's The Cheat?]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Graw Mad (Strong Bad, [[the facts]], [[garage sale]], [[keep cool]])

'''Big Toons'''
*Our Bass Player (Marzipan, [[Weclome Back]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Tough Skins (Strong Bad, [[Superbowl Dealie]])
*Strong Madchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Strong Madden ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Bo-hwee-moth (Strong Bad, [[looking old]])
*Chef Boyardee (Strong Bad, [[portrait]])
*Biggest Bro (Strong Bad, [[the facts]])
*[[Killingyouguy]] (End credits, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Stlong Mad (Strong Mad, [[lunch special]])
*no-neck (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Brain-for-brains (Strong Bad, [[invisibility]])
*House Mouth (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*Low-brow (Strong Sad, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

===[[Strong Sad]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*The Elephant Man (Coach Z, [[A Folky Tale]])
*Dairy Queen (Strong Bad, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])

'''Shorts'''
*Rondell (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Half Man (Homestar Runner, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Strong Sadchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Thelonious Dump (Strong Bad, [[pizza joint]])
*Diaper stripe (Lil' Strong Bad, [[the paper]])
*Prancibald (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Trundle bed (Strong Bad, [[keep cool]])
*The Elephant-Footed Ghost Man (Strong Bad, [[myths & legends]])
*Biggest Waste of Dump (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*Double-Bottom (Strong Bad, [[record book]])
*S² (Neils Bohr, [[boring (really)]])
*Helvetica (Senor Cardgage, [[garage sale]])
*The Lurker (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*DJ Dumpy Dump (Strong Bad, [[rampage]])
*M.C. for Master of Ceremonies (Coach Z, [[rampage]])
*My Dear Fatson (Strong Bad, [[best thing]])
*Harry Elephanté (Strong Bad, [[origins]])
*[[The Deathly Pallor]] (Strong Sad, [[radio]], Coach Z, [[impression]])
*Ol' Greystoke (Strong Bad, [[radio]])
*El Dumpo (Strong Bad, [[dangeresque 3]])
*Doughboy (Homestar, [[dangeresque 3]])
*[[Tendafoot]] (Strong Bad, [[crying]])
*Gron Sad (Strong Bad, [[car]])
*wiggidy-wiener (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*Dumpus (Strong Bad, [[autobiography]])
*That rhinoceros (Homsar, [[interview]])
*Interrupter Jones (Strong Bad, [[morning routine]])
*Stupid (Strong Bad, [[depressio]], [[retirement]])

'''Other'''
*The Floating Head of Dooooom (Strong Sad, [[Main Page 23]])
*The fat Fisher-Price guy (Strong Bad commentating on the intro to [[strongbad email.exe Disc One]])

===[[Pom Pom]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Roundy Man (Homestar, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*My main man, My dog, My ace in the hole (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Pom Pomchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Email '''
*The Big Cheese (Homestar, [[from work]])
*My dog Pom Pom (Homestar, [[myths & legends]])
*Hindenburg (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Led Zeppelin (Strong Bad, [[pom pom]])
*Ronnie (Strong Bad, [[Strumstar Hammer]])

===[[Marzipan]]===
''' General '''
*Marzy (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]; Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])

''' Big Toons '''
*Old Maid Marzipan (Bubs, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Fox's mother (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Ms. Smarty-Pants (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*The Marzipan (Homestar Runner, [[Date Nite]])
*Marzi-person (Bubs, [[Weclome Back]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Mom-zipan (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Marzi-man (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*Marzychu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*A Laugh Riot [[Grrl]] ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The girlfriend formerly known as Marzipan (Homestar, [[Jibblies 2]])

''' Marzipan's Answering Machine '''
*Brown (The Homestar Runner, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]])
*Marz-pan (Grape Nuts Robot, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Marzipanio (Marzipan, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]])
*Mrs. Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 7.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0]])
*Ugly-Pan (Strong Bad, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0]])

'''Other'''
*[[Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship|Homestar's Girlfriend]] ([[Yearbook Character Page]])
*a dirty hippie...without the dirt (Strong Bad, [[Yearbook Character Page]])

===[[Coach Z]]===
'''Shorts'''
*Hourly Wage (Strong Bad, [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Ebert (Strong Bad, [[the movies]])
*Ol' Butt Patterson (trading card, [[trading cards]])
*Green Bubs (Strong Bad, [[road trip]])
*Deborah (Homestar Runner, [[senior prom]])
*Cadet Z (Space Captainface, [[space program]])
*Coach Zed (Strong Bad, [[do over]])
*The Coach Z (Strong Bad, [[flashback]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Coach B]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])
*The Big Z (Coach Z, [[diorama]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Coach Zchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Marzipan's Answering Machine'''
*The Lyrical Wondermind (Coach Z, [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]])

'''Other'''
*Coach Zee (the apparent original spelling, [[Where My Hat Is At?]])

===[[Bubs]]===
'''Big Toons'''
*Bubs-keep (Strong Bad, [[DNA Evidence]])
*Tubbs (Homsar, [[Where's The Cheat?]])
*Stranger (Marzipan, [[Welcome Back]])
'''Shorts'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]])

'''Holiday Toons'''
*Old Mr. Bubs (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Blue face man (Homestar, [[Fall Float Parade]])
*Great American Bubs (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Bubba-daddy (Homestar Runner, [[Senorial Day]])
*Bubsy (Coach Z, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Cornbread (Bubs as [[Dr. Christmas]], [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Bubsachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

'''Strong Bad Emails'''
*Orange Coach Z (Coach Z, [[road trip]])
*Old Man Bubs (Strong Bad, [[isp]])
*Bubs-O (Coach Z, [[geddup noise]])
*The Haggler (Strong Bad, [[garage sale]])
*Mr. Bubs (Strong Bad, [[part-time job]])
*Sbu (Strong Bad, [[lunch special]])
*[[Zubs and Coach B|Zubs]] (Strong Bad, [[current status]])

'''Other'''
*Bubsy (Homestar, [[Broken Compy Menu]])

===[[The King of Town]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*Santa (Homestar Runner, [[Bug In Mouth Disease]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[Where's The Cheat?]])

'''Short Toons'''
*Brother of Town (Homestar, [[Ever and More!]])
*Kingy-ding ([[The Little Chef Guy]], [[KOT's VOQPCS!]])
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Your Kentucky Fried-ness (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])
*Oldie (Strong Bad, [[Halloween Fairstival]])
*"Your Highness" (Strong Bad, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Kingy (Coach Z, [[A Decemberween Pageant]])
*Mr. Of Town (Homestar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Kingachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Clogdor (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*Old Bag (Strong Bad, [[boring (really)]])
*Old King Droll (Strong Bad, [[secret recipes]])
*Creepy Old Man (Strong Bad, [[the bet]])

''' Other '''
*Furious Fingers ([[Lappynapped!]])
*Kingio ([[Super Kingio Brothers]])
*The KoT ([[King of Town Main Page]])

===[[The Poopsmith]]===
''' Big Toons '''
*doodieman (Strong Bad, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]])

''' Holiday Toons '''
*Poop-Stick (Homestar, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])
*Teddy Poopspin ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Poopachu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*Doodoo Man (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*mr.smith (Strong Bad, [[big white face]])
*the diapersmith ([[highschool]])

===[[Homsar]]===
''' Holiday Toons '''
*Shortstop (Homestar, [[Homestar Presents: Presents]])
*The ghost of Christmas past (Homsar, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*Homsar Salad Sandwich ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*Homsarchu ([[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]])
*The Secret Guy (Homestar, [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]])

''' Strong Bad Emails '''
*The Human Wedgie (Homsar, [[origins]])
*Haddi-man (kids, [[for kids]])
*Homestar (Homestar, [[looking old]])

''' Other '''
*Captain of the Gravy Train (Homsar, [[Homsar#Character Video Transcript|Homsar's Character Video]])
*Parson Brown (Homsar, [[Strong Sad's Lament]])

==Minor Characters==
===[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]===

'''[[The Wheelchair]]'''
*That stupid wheelchair kid (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])

'''[[Eh! Steve!]]'''
*Steven (Cheerleader, [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*Eh. Steven. (Leomard Sportsinterviews, Email [[different town]])

'''[[Ready For Primetime]]'''

*Eh, Greg (Strong Bad, Email [[haircut]])
*SWEETIE CAKES (Strong Mad, Email [[haircut]])

===[[Old Timey]]===
'''[[Old-Timey Strong Bad]]'''
*Sir Strong Bad (Telegram sender Lord Elsington Hallstingdingdingworth, [[50 emails]])
*Uncle Strong Bad (Old-Timey Strong Bad, [[2 emails]])

'''[[Fat Dudley]]'''
*Fat Duds (The Homestar Runner, [[That A Ghost]])

'''[[The Sneak]]'''
*The Dapper Swindler ("Wanted" poster, [[Ballad of The Sneak]])

'''[[Mr. Shmallow]]'''
*That monster (The Homestar Runner, [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]])

===[[Cheat Commandos]]===
'''[[Reynold]]'''
*Reynold-a (Fightgar, [[Shopping for Danger]])
*Cheat Cuss-mando (Gunhaver, [[Commandos in the Classroom]])

'''[[Ser-g-geant Marshie]]'''
*this flying cotton ball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])

===[[Teen Girl Squad]]===
'''[[Teen Girl Squad]]'''
*fair maidens (DN'D Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*earthlings (SciFi Greg, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*gals (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*grlfrndz (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]])
*my Spanish galleons (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*my art galleries (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Worldwide Starlets (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Smartly Pretty (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*Kissy Boots (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*You little brats (Mrs. So-and-So-erson, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]])
*my gallies (Cheerleader, [[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad Issue 6]])
*the other girls (All girls except What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*T33n G1rl Squ4dx0rx!!11 (Page title; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[Cheerleader]]'''
*fattycakes (Intro description, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]])
*rich [[grrl]] (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])
*hott type! (Her shirt, [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

'''[[So and So]]'''
*Babysit (Tompkins, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Mark (Cut-Out Shirt Folding Store Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Over-Achiever Bandit (So and So, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]])
*Kristen (Cheerleader, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])
*Kristin-a (What's Her Face, [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]])

'''[[What's Her Face]]'''
*bunkmate (Raccoon Girl, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*W HERFACE (Mailbox, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*the one with baggy pants (Teen Girl Squad, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]])
*The new leader (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (What's Her Face, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])

'''[[The Ugly One]]'''
*The Queen of Pay-Per-View (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]])
*Uggs (Cheerleader, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]])
*The Hotgly One (The Brothers Chaps, [[Sketchbook#SK-2005-10-20|Sketchbook]])
*The new leader (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*The follower (The Ugly One, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]])
*Young Man (Teacher; [[Teen Girl Squad|TGS Menu]])

===[[20X6]]===
'''[[Stinkoman]]'''
*MY DOGE (Vector Strong Bad, [[alternate universe]])
*Sign Up Today Man ([[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]])
*a demon on wheels (Stinkoman, [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]])

'''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]''' 
(All of these are from the [[Stinkomanual]].)
*'''Pooru-Pooru''' - punk cucumber
*'''Rose Blake''' - 'lectric burner
*'''Clowder''' - crotchety old cloud
*'''Astromund''' - astro style mund
*'''Piedmont''' - comedian
*'''Porchi''' - round-about
*'''Stafulter''' - flying plug-duck
*'''Postlethwaite''' - ol' P-thwaite
*'''Ditmars''' - NOT a tree and a blanket
*'''Ekersby''' - A jumble of good, good graphics
*'''Prudench''' - skrimps
*'''Dolmerlay''' - Dolmy
*'''Semulade''' - shark-ships
*'''Broodacre''' - jungle-ized bolcano, Broody

===Miscellaneous===
'''[[Bad Graphics Ghost]]'''
*Pixel Ghost (Strong Bad, [[strongbad_email.exe]] Disc Two menu)

'''[[Marshie]]'''
*Margie the Marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[Fan Costumes '06]])
*that freakin' marshmallow (Strong Bad, [[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006]])
*Marshy (Dan Miller, [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004]] track listing)
*This Flying Cottonball (Gunhaver, [[Cheat Commandos...O's]])
*that flying mushroom (Strong Bad, Email [[the show]])
*that fweakin' marshmallow (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])
*that fweakin' robot (Homestar, [[Meet Marshie]])

'''[[They Might Be Giants]]'''
*the old Supreme Giants Boys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*Super Giant guys (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*The Super Giants (Homestar Runner, [[Experimental Film]])

'''John Flansburgh (of TMBG)'''
*Flans ([[Puppet Jam]])
*that one right there with the glasses (Strong Bad, [[Experimental Film]])
*the glasses guy/that glasses guy (Strong Sad, [[Experimental Film]]: DVD version)

'''[[Carol]]'''
*Carl (The Cheat, [[Seasonal Sweaters]], Email [[marzipan]])

'''[[Señor]]'''
*Señor Ha-Ha-Ha-Havin' A Little Trouble (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Mr. Bland]]'''
*The prince of plain (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])
*The master of mundane (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[The Robot (storybook)|The Robot]]'''
*The walking metal robot (The Announcer, [[Strongest Man in the World]])

'''[[Senor Cardgage]]'''
* T. Mendous Savings (Senor Cardgage, [[Senorial Day]])
* old denominator (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old wintergreen (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* old Soderbergh (Senor Cardgage, Email [[kind of cool]])
* Senator Cardgage Bubs (Homestar Runner, Email [[original]])

'''[[Balding Man]]'''
* Husband of the Year (Narrator, [[Senorial Day]])

'''[[Li'l Brudder]]'''
* The king of the dregs (Singers, [[The Li'l Brudder Show]])

'''[[Visor Robot]]'''
* Valerie (Senor Cardgage, [[Senor Mortgage]])

'''[[Saddy Dumpington]]'''
* Ol' Dumps (Strong Sad, [[A Folky Tale]])
* Weird Snake Joe (Saddy Dumpington, [[A Folky Tale]])

'''[[Atari Dragon]]'''
*freakin' duck (Strong Bad, [[Main Page 13]], [[highschool]])

'''[[Trogdor]]'''
*Troggie (Strong Bad, [[Happy Trogday]])

'''[[Rather Dashing]]'''
*Rather Homely (The Blue Knight, [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]])

'''[[Tandy 400]]'''
*crappiest computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*that old buncha beige (Strong Bad, [[pop-up]])

'''[[Compy 386]]'''
*crappier computer (Strong Bad, [[retirement]])
*three-eighty-sucks (Tandy 400, [[invisibility]])

'''[[Lappy 486]]'''
*lappy-pie (email [[retirement]])
*little lady (email [[retirement]])

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Name running gags]]

Talk:Game Sightings

2007-12-20T12:05:46Z

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Talk:Game Sightings

2007-12-20T11:50:22Z

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==In case you were wondering==
This here's the 1,000th page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:<s>Tom, you're a step ahead of me. I came here to make a similar note. I'm not sure I ever imagined we'd reach a thousand articles back when I started this wiki. Good jorb, everyone! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>

Actually, this isn't the thousandth page. A few pages that were created before this one have since been deleted, making [[Fonts]] the official thousandth article. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:16, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry, but yeah it is. See my comment at [[Talk:Fonts#Thousandth article]] for clarification. I'm also going to remove the strike-though that was added to my comment above, since I didn't retract it or anything like that.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

== Albino Blacksheep ==

In a new Flash game on albinoblacksheep.com, parodying Everquest, one of the characters has a "Summoning" ability which can be used to summon Trogdor the Burninator. I'm not sure, however, if this should go under Games or Animation...
:Well it's a game, so it should go under games. Makes sense to me. {{User:phlip/sig}} 00:46, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Kay then. I will. thanks.

Ok, not sure if this counts as a good enough sighting or not, but in World of Warcraft there is possible another sighting, in the Barrens there is an Ogre called Jorb. Do you think this counts? - P

== Delete Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas? ==

''Driving around Las Venturas, one can find a "Bub's Hardware." The sign also seems to say something about "Cheats." A map is included here.''

*This seems like a stretch. All the other examples are clear references, or at least very likely to be, but this one could easily be pure coincidence. Anybody else think it should be deleted? {{User:Bill/sig}} 21:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I noticed this a while ago, too. I'm pretty sure it's a total stretch. Bub and Cheat are common words. It's not even "Bubs", it's "Bub". - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::And I think I'ma go delete that now. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
::: Don't! I found another refrence!:
''In GTA: San Andreas, there is a car called [[Nebulon]]''
- {{User:HeyMama/sig}}

POLL:

Delete it:
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== Warcraft III reference ==

there's a reference of trogdor in WCIII:TFT. can we add it?
:Do you have the details of the sighting? If possible, Can someone confirm? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I wrote that, Its in level three one of the guards is called trogdor--[[User:Ed500|Ed500]] 08:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

heres the picture

http://starbase.globalpc.net/~bhz/strongbad/images/trogdar.jpg

does it count?

It is only one letter off (a/o), and too much of a coincidence if one, so I think it does.
-Zyborg

== Xgen reference ==

theres a TGS reference when you play stick arena

(username) iron chef'd (username)

can it count?--[[User:Ed500|Ed500]] 07:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Probably, if it isn't a player. If it is a CPU, then I would think so.
-Zyborg

It does. There is no AI and this applies for anyone who kills someone with a katana. there a 1 in 3 chance of that popping up. [[User:Ed500|Ed500]]

==American Wasteland Squad!==
Okay, is this a real sighting? Either the producers of the game were obsessed with TGS, [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]] helped design the game, or the entry is bogus. Can some one help me out? -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
:I have no way of proving it for you, but it doesn't sound too unlikely to me. Mostly because of the "Late 360" etc., which was a skateboarding allusion to begin with. And the sightings in the other Tony Hawk game above add credibility. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
::I actually have the game myself, so I should probably play it and see for myself before complaining. (Side note: I actually noticed the Limozeen sighting in THUG 1, but i thought it coincidence. -[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] 22:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

== Vampire the Masquerade:Bloodlines ==

When buying fuel for the flame thrower, the fuel is called "Burninator brand".-Hitokiri Akins

==Kingdom Hearts II ==

In Kingdom Hearts II, when fighting the Hydra, there is a reaction command called Urninator. This is only one letter off from Burninator. Think I should add it?
- Zyborg 4/13/06
(Edit: The strategy guide said Everybody to the Limit, not the manual. Although, the strategy guide is most likely official. I'll add the Urninator to the page, delete if necessary.)

I checked Amazon for strategy guides for Kingdom Hearts II. I found out that the guide is made by BradyGames, not Square Enix(the company that makes KH2). The Everybody to the Limit reference in the strategy guide should really go under books instead.

Though I think the Urninator reference might be legit. The Hydra ''is'' a dragon, just like ol' Troggie.
:[[Other Sightings]], then. We don't have a "books" section. Maybe magazines? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Killer7 ==

*I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is NOT a reference; seeing as Gouichi Suda has an obsession with lucha libre in general, it's not surprising that Yoon-Hyun's mask looks like Strong Bad's. It's a coincidence. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Fully Ramblomatic ==

Two of the games on this site have obvious H*R refernces. First off, Adventures in the Galaxy of Fantabulous Wonderment has one of them. About a third of the way through the game, one of your redshirts is zapped by a lazer security system thing and says, "Ow! My most of me!"

Secondly, the special edition of 7 Days a Skeptic. If you go to the captain's console and type in 'Pasta Sauce', it shows a "How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves" email. Remember, this is the special edition and does not work with the normal one.

Figured you guys would want to know

:Well, in that case, add them onto the article. You're welcome to do so. This is why we have a wiki! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

== SSBM ==

Can someone confirm this? I honestly don't think it's real, Homestar had a small fanbase at the time of its release.

==toontown==

in toontown online 1 of the npc in donalds dock wants you to call him choche(sp?) z.
any iders?

== Alchmist's Apprentice ==

There's a new online game called [http://fizzlebot.com/gdc1/cgdc1.php?puzzleID=7 Alchemist's Apprentice] that has an item called "whatsit" described thusly: "This soft, sticky, stinky substance is an excellent fertilizer and chief projectile weapon of simians."

I've never heard reference to "whatsit" outside of HomestarRunner.com, but I could be wrong, and I don't know how to properly edit this page. Is this a reference?
*Well, I've certainly never heard of "whatsit" describing excrement outside of H*R, and the quote certainly suggests that meaning. Searching Wikipedia for "whatsit" brings you to a disambiguation page that doesn't mention that definition, so I'd say it's a reference. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

== Guitar Hero II ==
Wait until it comes out. Mmm... I CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG!!!

:Actually, I just found undeniable, unquestionable proof that justifies adding GHII to the list before release. And that...is video footage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKW5ngFNHJo&mode=user&search=

::See [[Trogdor (song)#Trivia]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I just watched the X-Play Review of Guitar Hero II on the Xbox 360, and what they had was a final copy, obviously, and they showed a section that showed a downladed track (the section was called "Downloaded Songs") called "Rodgort"....is this a reference to Trogdor?

==Dead Rising Decline==
Dead Rising's HomeRunner's Shoes is more of a reference to the baseball term, rather than Homestar Runner.--[[User:Reign of Trogdor|Reign of Trogdor]] 05:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Diner Dash - Flo on the Go ==
[[Image:Diner_dash_3_-_everybody_to_the_limit.png|thumb|To the limit AND the moon]]
well i saw this while i was checking out the secret levels for this game...

will this count? — [[User:Yoshi mgs|Yoshi mgs]] ([[User talk:Yoshi mgs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yoshi mgs|contribs]]) Yoshi mgs (left [[HRWiki:Standards#Do sign your Talk posts|unsigned]])
:I'd buy it. Between the [[Everybody to the Limit]] and [[personal favourites|the moon]] refs, it sounds plausible. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
{{clear}}

==H*R Shirt==

A character in Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam wears a top suspiciously similar to Homestar's. Since the other Tony game-sightings, will this count? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

:Depends. What's the shirt look like? Any webpage where we can see it? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 18:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[http://reviews.cnet.com/Tony_Hawk_s_Downhill_Jam_Wii/4528-9993_7-31884289-7.html?tag=ssht The best I could find.] [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

:Ah, da da da da DA-A!! So confused... what to think?? Hot Homestar?!? My brain is splitting in half! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:45, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that a yes? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

Lets just say its a yes {{User:Mr_nutt/sig}}

== Full Auto 2 versions ==

I added the reference for Full Auto 2, but I can only be sure that it's in the PSP version. I know the PSP and PS3 versions of the game are very different, so I specified which version. Is it in both versions? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
== Baleeted ==

Two things:

-I added the Crackdown Double Deuce thing.
-I deleted the Dead or Alive 4 thing. Why? Because that was the signature of whoever this person was fighting at the time. You see, when fighting over Xbox Live your opponents Sig will appear as the message in the Gamblers Paradise stage. This might not be clear. Maybe someone could clarify for all the beautiful peoples? (However, that ''is'' a nice find)
-[[User:Dwigt|Dwigt]] 01:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sam & Max ==

about a month back I've added a refrence to Sam & Max Ep.5, see
http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Game_Sightings&oldid=442179#Sam_.26_Max:_Reality_2.0
This however was removed by user Shwoo stating "it might be a coinicidence".
I did not wan't to spoil too much of the game, so I didn't go into specifics, but in fact the "character" which I quoted was, in fact an Arcade machine, which I think strengthens the fact that this is a refrence to the site.
On a side note, the whole episode is Internet/computer/Video game centric, filled with references such as "It's-a me, Sam!" and so.
Please reconsider adding it to the sightings section. [[User:84.108.73.241|84.108.73.241]] 18:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
:I've looked at it and have concluded that it's not a valid reference. It says "Your goggles explode! Game Over!", but the reason why I feel it isn't a reference is because a) it's grammatically correct, unlike "Your head a splode", and b) if it really was a reference, it would have been "a splode", not "explode". {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Does Postal 2 count? ==

I am not cautious due to the extremely offensive nature of the game, but rather because the Homestar Runner references are only included in a fanmade expansion mod. However, the publisher of the game has included this mod in a commercial compilation. Would this be eligible for inclusion?

== Portal ==

Valve's game of Portal, recently released, contains, in the room of the final fight (on the left when you enter the room), there is a red telephone. The receiver is disconnected, about 2 inches from the receiver itself, almost exactly like the phones in the H*R universe. I can upload a picture of it to my personal site if you want to see it. Not entirely sure if it really is a reference, but it certainly struck me as one, hence the discussion before inclusion.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 11:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Weclome Back

2007-12-09T00:46:13Z

Gaeamil: /* Fun Facts */ I'm pretty sure those are Goofs. At least, that's the norm here, right?

{{toonnav|Big Toon|weclomeback|A Folky Tale|Strongest Man in the World}}
[[Image:Weclome Back.PNG|thumb|"What is it, like, mid-May or something?"]]
Homestar and the gang all reflect on their summer vacation.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homsar}}, [[Eh! Steve!]] (Easter egg), {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Topiary Garden]], [[The Island]], [[Obstacle Course]], [[Airplane]]

'''Date:''' Monday, July 3, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 4:37

'''Page Title:''' Your dreams were your ticket out...

{{dvd|Everything Else, Volume 3}}

==Transcript==
''{A closeup of a time clock attached to a telephone pole. A time card is punched in. The words "Weclome Back" are shown, and flash various colors. Pull out to see Bubs holding a cup of coffee, in front of a table with styrofoam cups and an urn, in the Field. Marzipan enters and also punches in.}''

'''BUBS:''' Well, hello, Marzi-person! Welcome back.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, howdy, stranger!

'''BUBS:''' Stranger? I'm Bubs, remember?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{unimpressed}'' Uh, I know. It's a joke.

'''BUBS:''' That's hilarious! How was your vacation?

'''MARZIPAN:''' It was toot sweet! I took the Cool Tapes on a midwestern tour ''{the tour map pops up}'' of bead shops and topiary gardens.

''{Cut to a topiary garden; Marzipan, Strong Mad and The Cheat are playing in the band}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}''
:Cool tapes are cool, and we're better than ever,
:Cool tapes are cool, 'cause we're light as a feather.
:Keep it down with that real cool flavor,
:Me and The Cheat and our bass player.
:Rockin' the spot.
:Yeah, we're rockin' the spot.

''{Marzipan appears behind a topiary tree shaped like William Shakespeare.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Thanks, y'all! And don't forget we've got cool 7-inches for sale over at our merch table.

''{Cut to the merchandise table. Homsar is standing on it, it has a sign reading "Merch Masala" and another reading "Steven Inches $[[Pi|π]]"}''

'''HOMSAR:''' I'm a little light in the leftovers!

''{Homsar's hat flies off the left of the screen, then returns from the right and hits him on the head before settling back into its original position. Cut back to Bubs and Marzipan at the coffee table.}''

'''BUBS:''' I bet you drove the shapèd plants wild.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Yeah, they were way into it. So what did you do?

'''BUBS:''' I drove my baloney sandwich truck down to the beach.

''{Cut to the tropical island. Bubs's "Baloney Sammich Truck", which resembles an ice-cream truck, doesn't quite fit, and the rear wheels are in the water.}''

'''BUBS:''' BAH-loh-NEH!!! Come on, people! Come on, palm tree! I'm-tryingtosellabaloneysammich!

''{An Atari seagull squawks and flies past.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{angrily to Atari seagull}'' You shut your face!

''{Cut back to the coffee table.}''

'''BUBS:''' I sold exactly zero baloney sandwiches!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, that's great!

'''BUBS:''' Yeah, it was pretty much my best summer ever.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{walks in}'' Same here. I spent two glorious weeks at Gluten Camp. I learned more about this oft-misunderstood plant protein than I ever thought possible.

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' What''eva!'' ''{puts a time card in the time clock}'' I was across the lake at Glutton Camp. And we challenged those pansies to an obstacle course!

''{Cut to the obstacle course, pan across to see Strong Sad and the King of Town stuck in two tire swings.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Well, should we call it a draw?

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Hecks, no! I got stuck in here 10 minutes before you!

''{Pan across to Coach Z.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Let's go, Glorten Camp! Glorten Camp is pain and scranin' on yous!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Oh yeah?

''{cut back to the coffee table}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well while you slo-mos were slounching around on your haunchy laurels, I was checking the most amazing email of my career!

''{Cut through static to Strong Bad, holding the Lappy, on a plane. Screen markers and a recording light are visible, as though viewed through a camcorder. Strong Bad leans in and adjusts the focus.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, Lappy, when I mash record on that camera, we're gonna perform the world's first death-defying midair SBEmail check! We'll make the cover of all the latest blogs! Now, are you psyched?! I'm psyched, are you psyched?!? OK, 3! 2! 1!

''{Strong Bad leans in and presses a button on the camera. Cut through static to Strong Bad standing on the ground. The camera drops to the ground and slowly falls over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, the believing is hard to be doing, because that was so incredible! We met so many celebrities in midair! And the part with the narwhale was ''so'' illegal.

''{Cut through static to Strong Bad, back at the coffee table}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, cuh-rap! What am I, your dad? I can't believe I pulled the old "mash Stop when you think you're mashing Record and mash Record when you think you're mashing Stop" routine on myself.

'''MARZIPAN:''' But if we've all been on vacation, who's been taking care of the website?

''{Homestar Runner walks in, tired, wearing a dressing gown, a nightcap and Nebulon slippers, with a cinnamon 5 o'clock shadow.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawns}'' What's up, my brothers? Let no one say the Homestar Runner don't know how to nap. What is it, like mid-May or something?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, try "early July."

''{Zoom in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aah! I slept through June!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yup.

''{Zoom in even tighter.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aah! -gatha Christie would never sleep through June... neither would Angela Lansbury.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aren't they the same person?

'''BUBS:''' Yeah.

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Yep.

'''MARZIPAN:''' I think they are.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Yes, they definitely are.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, it's settled then. Now, what's this I hear about some of you guys sleeping through June? I'll let it slide this time, but June-sleepers will not be tolerated from this day henceforth. Now, whose turn was it to ''{rolls the "r"}'' bring the doughnuts?

'''EVERYONE BUT HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yours!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, I'll let it slide this time, but dough-not rememberers will dough-not be tolerated from now on. All right, everybody, everybody. It's time to get this www-dot-show back on the road-dot-com. Now, places! Aaand...
[[Image:Weclome Back everybody.PNG|150px|right|"Everybody, everybody!"]]
''{Cut to everyone standing in regular clothes in front of a plain blue background. The words "everybody, everybody" appear in front of them, zooming and flashing. The music from the [[Intro]] page plays.}''

'''CHILDREN:''' Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody!
{{clear}}

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Freewheelinsteve.PNG|thumb|The Freewheelin' Eh, Steve]]
* In Homsar's scene, click on the "Steven Inches" sign to see a "The Freewheelin' Eh, Steve" album cover. On the bottom it lists the songs ''Sweet Cups and Cakes'' by Wheelchair Man, ''Eh, Steve's Dream'' by Eh, Steve!, and ''Talkin' Trying to Catch a Worm Blues'' by Fresh Juice.
* During the close-up after the King of Town first appears, click on his crown to see his "I'm with Glutton Camp" [[T-shirt]].
* Click on the left "everybody" at the end of the toon to see what Pom Pom and The Poopsmith presumably did during their summer vacation.
:''{Pom Pom and the Poopsmith are both leaning on the palm tree on the deserted island. The Poopsmith is wearing sunglasses, and Pom Pom is wearing Homestar's Dangeresque sunglasses. After a few moments, a thought cloud appears and reveals that Pom Pom is thinking of a baloney sandwich. Another one appears shortly afterwards and shows that the Poopsmith is too.}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*This toon refers to the real-life vacation that [[The Brothers Chaps]] took in the late spring/early summer of 2006, during which time the site went nearly seven weeks (48 days) without a major update, the longest hiatus on record. There were various minor updates during this period, but no toons.
*"Toot sweet" is a play on the French phrase ''"tout de suite"'' (which translates to "immediately" or "at once"). Both phrases are pronounced roughly the same.
*The Baloney Truck is a spoof on the [[Wikipedia:Ice cream truck|Ice Cream Truck/Van]], which is popular in some parts of the world.
*A 7-inch record is a single.

===Trivia===
[[Image:Cool tapes tour.png|thumb|300px|Cool Tapes' June 2006 tour]]
*The time card reads:
{| style="border-collapse: collapse; text-align: center; font-family: monospace"
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C; font: bold 100% sans-serif"
! style="width: 5em" | IN: !! style="width: 5em" | OUT:
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " |   ||  
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " |   ||  
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " |   ||  
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 8:03 || 5:54
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 7:45 || 6:21
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 9:21 || 6:03
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 12:02 || 5:58
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 7:56 || 6:23
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 8:03 || 5:54
|- style="border: 3px solid #F9C"
| style="border-right: 10px double #F9C " | 7:45 || 6:21
|}
*The [[Cool Tapes]] tour goes through East Westerburg, Beadsburg, Bead Store City, Sculpted Busheston, New Beadshop, Topiarianapolis, Beeeeeds, and Tope Gardens. Other towns on the map are Northtime, [[Pants]]burg, Shoigut, [[Bill Cosby|Thuxtable]], and The Slickster.
*There are trees in the topiary garden shaped as an ice-cream cone, [[Trogdor]], a tree stump, and [[Wikipedia:William Shakespeare|William Shakespeare]].
*According to the sign on the side of Bubs's [[Baloney Sammich Truck]], he's selling:
**"Gumball Surprise"– A baloney sandwich with a pink gumball on top.
**"Open Smiley Face"– An open baloney sandwich with a smiley face drawn on it in mustard.
**"I Heart Baloney"– A baloney sandwich with heart-shaped bread.
**"Dog Food"– A baloney sandwich with bone-shaped bread.
**"It's Not a Real Popsicle" – A baloney sandwich with Popsicle-shaped bread.
**"Inside Out"– A piece of bread between two slices of baloney.
*Strong Bad's account of what happened during his "Skydive" make it obvious he made up the entire event, another example of [[blatant lies]]
*In the DVD commentary on Strong Bad Email [[island]], Matt said they should use the island again. In addition to this cartoon, they already reused it in [[disconnected]].

===Remarks===
*[[Wikipedia:Agatha Christie|Agatha Christie]] and [[Wikipedia:Angela Lansbury|Angela Lansbury]] are not, in fact, the same person. Christie was a crime fiction author, and Lansbury is an actress famous for ''playing'' a crime fiction author on ''[[Wikipedia:Murder, She Wrote|Murder, She Wrote]]''. Lansbury ''did'', however, play Christie's fictional sleuth [[Wikipedia:Miss Marple|Miss Marple]] in the movie adaptation of Christie's ''[[Wikipedia:The Mirror Crack'd|The Mirror Crack'd]]''.
*The spelling ''narwhale'' and Strong Bad's pronunciation of it are accepted variants; the more common spelling is ''narwhal''.
*When we see the back of the Lappy, it has none of the connection ports from [[isp]], but it is possible that Strong Bad's glove may be covering them.
*Homestar effectively rolls the "r" when saying "whose turn was it to bring the donuts" despite his speech impediment.
*The minute hand on the time clock is too long to point to 6 or 12.
*At the end, if you look below the "everybody, everybody" words, you will see that The Cheat is floating and not touching the ground.
*When Strong Bad is in the plane, the plane is bumping up and down, yet Strong Bad is not.

===Goofs===
*When Marzipan's angry expression is used, blinking causes her outline to be intruded.
*When Cool Tapes plays in the Topiary Garden, no amplifiers are present. Yet, when it closes up on Marzipan in the following shot, two "Marzipan" amplifiers are present behind her.
*In the last scene, The Cheat suddenly appears after Homestar asks whose turn it was to bring the donuts.

===Inside References===
* [[Pants]]burg is one of the [[Strong Bad's Vacation Spots|places Strong Bad visited]] on his [[vacation]], and one of the places (along with Northtime and Shoigut) in [[Limozeen]]'s [[Limozeen#Zeenin' Across the Country 2001|Zeenin' Across the Country tour]].
* Strong Bad's line, "I can't believe I pulled the 'Mash stop when you think you're mashing record, and mash record when you think you're mashing stop' on myself", is a reference to [[mashing]].
* The Atari seagull first appeared in [[huttah!]] and [[take-a-break.exe]].
* Marzipan's [[Cool Tapes]] band comes from [[Cool Things]].
* The toon's title contains the word [[Unusual Greetings#Weclome|Weclome]].
* Bubs' line "shapèd plants" (notably parallel in structure with the line "stripèd pants" from [[highschool]]), is an instance of the [[-èd]] pronunciation.
* One of the places the Cool Tapes band visits is East Westerburg. Westerberg (spelled slightly differently) was visited in [[Thy Dungeonman 3]], and it was to the east of the player's starting location.
* The Poopsmith is wearing what appears to be [[Strong Bad]]'s [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] [[Cool Shades|sunglasses]], and Pom Pom is wearing [[Dangeresque Too]]'s sunglasses.
* In addition to the two ropes attaching the tire swings to the tree at the obstacle course, a third rope hangs from the sky and sways gently, as did the rope featured in [[A Folky Tale]].
* The "Gumball Surprise" is another example of a [[concoction]].
* Homestar's sleeping through June is similar to how he slept through most of Decemberween in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]].
* The Eh! Steve song "Sweet Cups and Cakes" refers to [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]], from which he originated.
* "Fresh Juice" (from the Eh! Steve album) is one of the suggested death metal lyrics from the worksheet in [[death metal]].
* Homestar is wearing [[cinnamon]] on his face, and his slippers resemble [[Nebulon]], who first appeared on [[Main Page 1]].
* Marzipan's comment, "Who's been taking care of the website?" is an example of [[Fourth Wall Breaks|breaking the fourth wall]].
* Strong Bad says "Oh, [[Crap|cuh-rap]]!"

===Real-World References===
*The city "The Slickster" (as seen on the Cool Tapes tour map) is a reference to former [[Wikipedia:World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]] manager [[Wikipedia:Ken Johnson (wrestling)|Ken Johnson]], whose ring name was Slick and often called "The Slickster" by the commentators.
*The city of "Thuxtable" is a reference to Theo Huxtable, a character on [[Wikipedia:The Cosby Show|The Cosby Show]]. Theo Huxtable was previously referenced in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], when Coach Z dressed up like him.
*The design of the Cool Tapes Marzipan amps is based on the design of the classic [[Wikipedia:Marshall Amplification|Marshall Amp]]. It was previously seen in [[different town]]. Marshall is a famous brand of guitar amp that became synonymous with heavy metal and rock bands.
*The page title references the John E. Sebastian song "Welcome Back," which was the theme song from the sitcom ''[[Wikipedia:Welcome Back, Kotter|Welcome Back, Kotter]]'' ("Welcome back / Your dreams were your ticket out...").
*Athletic competitions between summer camps occupying the same campground are common in family movies and cartoons. Some examples include the movies ''[[Wikipedia:Heavyweights|Heavyweights]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Meatballs (film)|Meatballs]]''.
*The "Freewheelin' Eh! Steve" album cover is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan's]] early album, ''[[Wikipedia:The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan|The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan]]''. In addition, "Eh! Steve's Dream" is a reference to the Dylan song ''Bob Dylan's Dream'' and "Talkin' Trying to Catch a Worm Blues" refers to Dylan's song ''Talkin' World War III Blues''.
*Homestar's green ribcage [[Homestar Runner's Sleepwear|shirt]] is a reference to the movie ''[[Wikipedia:This Is Spinal Tap|This Is Spinal Tap]]'', in which [[Wikipedia:Nigel Tufnel|Nigel Tufnel]] wears the same shirt and later remarks "This is what I sleep in sometimes".
**The Eh! Steve song "Sweet Cups and Cakes" is likely a ''This Is Spinal Tap'' reference as well, since "Cups and Cakes" is the name of a Spinal Tap song.
*Strong Mad's violin styled bass bears a resemblance to the [[Wikipedia:Hofner|Hofner]] bass played by [[Wikipedia:Paul McCartney|Paul McCartney]]. However, Strong Mad plays right handed, while Paul is left-handed.
*The sign on the merchandise table that reads "Merch Masala" refers to the 1985 Hindi movie [[Wikipedia:Mirch Masala|Mirch Masala]]. Mirch Masala is also the name of an Indian restaurant in Decatur, Georgia.
*Strong Sad's "I'm with gluten camp" T-shirt is a play on the popular [[Wikipedia:1980s|'80s]] "I'm with stupid" T-shirts.
*[[Wikipedia:Gluten|Gluten]] is a protein that makes up 80% of the protein in wheat.
*Marzipan almost smashing [[Carol]] in the "Cool Tapes" scene is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Pete Townshend|Pete Townshend]]'s habit of smashing his guitars onstage.
*Strong Bad's reference to a narwhale might be an allusion to the game [http://www.spinnerdisc.com/narwhaldiving.html Narwhal Diving].

==DVD Version==
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.
{{sectionstub}}

==External Links==
*[[HR:weclomeback.html|watch "Weclome Back"]]
*[[HR:weclomeback.swf|view the Flash file for "Weclome Back"]]
*[[Forum:8992|forum thread re: "Weclome Back"]]

{{subtitlesLinks|weclomeback}}

[[Category:Toons]]
[[Category:DVD Commentary]]

Talk:diorama

2007-12-07T03:57:25Z

Gaeamil: /* Not a Cat */

== The Deciders? ==

I heard "the signers" {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:You are right. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 15:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Soolnds ==
"Dr. Soft-Soolnd's Tan Medical Shoes" is a reference to Strong Sad's Soolnds. This should be mentioned under "Inside Jokes". --Anon {{unsigned|72.1.206.12|15:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)}}
:I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=diorama&diff=523947&oldid=523946 added a link in the transcript}}. I think this should be enough... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno, I never actually read the transcripts... I recognized the reference, but not everyone will. [[User:Dalkaen|Dalkaen]] 01:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Seconded. I rarely read the transcripts, unless I'm not sure what a certain line is. I skip straight to the Fun Facts, so it would nice to have it mentioned down there. [[User:Aaronstj|Aaronstj]] 19:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Simpsons?? ==
The remark regarding the Simpsons episode seems like a stretch at best. I figured I'd open that for discussion before charging in there and deleting it. [[User:Gerta|Gerta]] 15:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z easter egg ==

What does this have anything to do with the email? Is there a connection that i'm missing? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Good question. I also feel that, although the cheating line is obvious, the reason why The Cheat is holding the Lappy is going over my head. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, wait, I get part of the Coach Z scene. The KoT book is supposedly written by "Ronmartin Realdude", the same person Coach Z is allegedly talking to. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, but why would coach z be talking to a fake author about a fake relationship on a fake cell phone? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::That's the joke. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
: I think the reason the Cheat is holding the Lappy is because we're assuming he helped Strong Bad with all the internet site stuff for the fake book, since SB isn't exactly advanced to internet level. -Cyndentia
::We're heading into forum speculation but here's what I think: The Cheat's walking off with the Lappy because he's going to design, program and create the book website for Strong Bad's diorama project. As we all know, Strong Bad's lazy and always gets his lackey to do all his work. It would explain why The Cheat makes "agreeing The Cheat noises" when Strong Bad says "It's gotten so hard to cheat these days!" because he's got to make the website. And The Cheat is the one most skilled with technology. Then again, why would he use the Lappy instead of the Tangerine Dreams or Monosodium Dreams? Hmmm. Oh, and Coach Z's irrelevant scene is just there to make you laugh. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure it was in reference to the SedBed's comments that "Cheating is getting harder." I'm pretty sure Teh C is simply absconding with the Lappy, and showing the ease of actual cheating. [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 21:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::::At this point this topic is getting into the realm of speculation, and i would really suggest that we stop now and move it to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed The Cheat was haulin' the laptop simply because it's a visual representation of "It's gotten so hard to cheat", as similarly it's gotten hard to '''be''' a The Cheat. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 17:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== KoT skin color ==

was this the first time we could see the King's skin? if so, can someone put this in the article? -Raltaran
*It's already in there. [[User:Homsarian79|Homsarian79]] 15:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Not a Cat ==

When Strong Bad is talking about the website that Molly would have to make for a fake book, the author blurb mentions that he is "NOT a cat!!" This is the classic line of Evil the Cat from Earthworm Jim, when he's in disguise. Should this be a reference?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. --[[User:72.226.234.136|72.226.234.136]] 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I've never seen the show, so I can't be sure how appropriate it is, but Wikipedia's entry on [[Wikipedia:Evil_the_Cat|Evil the Cat]] does make a pretty good case for it being a reference. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Enough for me. It's up on there. My first caught reference! Woohoo!--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::since some people think its ttatot, should we bring it to stuff? {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 01:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Those who think it's ttatot have not provided other examples of what it could be, i say wait it out. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::"See the edit summary." has gotta be the most descriptive edit summary ever:P. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::I should've been more specific. I actually deleted a very similar fact once before; this was already here, then someone posted this:

<blockquote>
*The insistence that the author is not a cat on the bookazon.com website is a reference to the Natsume Soseki classic novel ''I Am a Cat'', a story told from the point view of a cat observing Japanese middle class life.
</blockquote>

...with the edit summary being...

<blockquote>
It could be the Shonen Knife song that also references the novel....
</blockquote>

So, DeFender, there's your "that" (a novel) and "the other thing" (a song). It's too vague to be a concrete reference to anything. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:I have to agree that a book review asserting to not be a cat made me think of "I Am a Cat" before Evil the Cat, for what it's worth, though the assertion does ''fit'' Evil the Cat. (And YK, I knew what you meant, it was just really funny out of context.) [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::Though FWIW, I don't think TBC have a very big precedent for referencing Japanese stuff. A 90's game/cartoon seems more likely. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::As well, the "author" says at the end: "Did I mention I'm not a cat?" which is ''verbatim'' of Evil's usual line.

== Intro ==

*Strong Bad's tone of voice at the beginning of the email could be a reference to the video game [[wikipedia:Portal_%28video_game%29|Portal]], in which the antagonist GLaDOS often mentions cake.
This fact was quickly removed, but it raises a good question (one that i didn't know how to raise in a non-forummy way until now) and that is, what the heck is with the intro? IS it a reference to something? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

His tone of voice and diction sound to me like he's imitating Senor Cardgage. --[[User:69.254.41.106|69.254.41.106]] 19:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, so a little computer that is near death and lonely gets made fun of and makes people GLaD and makes them laugh just for eating cake? that is not right. and yes i have the game. and beaten the game. and played the commentary, for the game.GLaDoS's helper [[User:Imdaman]]

I think it's a LOLCATS reference. [http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/images/lolcats/madecookie.jpg This one, specifically.] "I BAKD U A CAKE / IT HAZ RAIZENS" or something. -- 00:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Image ==
I think we should have the image be of another diorama example, like James Buchanan must die.-Me

== 99.99.99 ==

Ya know, this is probably far fetched, but $99.99.99 was the most well-known phrase of Mike the TV from the TV Show ReBoot. (The price of the 'Bucket o' Nothing' he was always advertising.) [[User:68.228.89.148|68.228.89.148]] 22:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

== King of Town's Adventures ==

I know that "The King of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland" is a reference to "The Cheat's Cheatventures in Moses Maloneland", but I haven't a clue of how to phrase it. Anybody got any ideas? -{{User:Itama/sig}} 23:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really think it *is* a reference, actually... "X's Adventures in X" is a common theme among childrens' books. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::most notably Alice's Adventure's in Wonderland.

== Byoo-cannon ==

* "Byoo-cannon" is also the name of a president. James Buchannon
This fact was recently removed, but i didn't realize this till i read it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Then re-add it. It doesn't sound that good as written, though. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The whole point of it being a "Byoo-cannon" is that it's being used on the clothespin avatar of James Buchanan. That's the joke. It's acknowledged right within the email itself that the target is Buchanan. This fact is thus completely obvious, and should not be added. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No, you misunderstand. I'm not saying it should go back in, as it's definitely explaining the joke. I put it here so that those who are slow (like me) might read it, but i agree it definitely doesn't belong in the article itself. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh, I see. That makes more sense. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, how many people cas associate the Old Public Functionary with James Buchanan like that? Other than American History teachers, of course.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia reference==

The "check your sources" statement could be referencing teachers disallowing Wikipedia as a source. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 01:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I'm sorry, but I don't see the logic leading to that conclusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::The internet comment. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::So you're saying that strong bad saying that it's easier for teachers to check something on the internet is a reference to teachers disallowing students from using a certain internet source? That's like saying that my using linux is a reference to people not liking AMD processors. (and in case that didn't make sense, that was the point, there IS no connection) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Smiling ==

Strong Bad smiles when discussing the dinosaur attacking the treaty signers, can someone make this edit, as all my edits seem to get immediately deleted.

I think he smiles in like, every other cartoon, now. I don't think it's worth mentioning anymore.-Lappy z
:We actually had a [[Talk:Strong Bad Smiling#Notable?|discussion]] on whether or not that gag is worth recording at all, but it's too hard for some people here to decide if it is truly impossible for "happy" to be an opposite of "evil". [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== Robots ==
A cardboard robot is shown twice, this should be mentioned as an inside reference.
:Something has to be shown three times or more to be an inside reference, and it doesn't even count if it only appears in one toon a few times. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
::I think he's talking about cardboard and [[robots]]... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== One off ==
When Strong Bad is talking about assasinations, his examples are one president before actual assasinated or attempted assasinated presidents. For example, Jimmy Carter was president before Reagan, who was shot, but didn't die. And James Buchanan was right before Lincoln, who was shot in Ford's theatre.-Lappy z (not logged in)

:I think that's pretty much the joke. Everyone with rudimentary knowledge of the presidents would know that those two didn't get killed, and Strong Bad was just being silly. Especially since, both times, the assassin was a robot. But that is interesting that he's one president off each time. I don't think it's worth a mention, really. Make it an added bonus joke for knowing your presidents. ;) --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 00:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== Eating Non-Food Items ==

Should the fact that the king of town eats a non-food item (The cotton balls) be mentioned on this page? It is allready mentioned on [[Eating Non-Food Items]] [[User:24.64.223.204|24.64.223.204]]

== Chemical add in ==

Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and I am right
:Mollybdenum is a name parody of the element Molybdenum and you are late. ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 14:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC))
::Am I the only one that thought of 'moldy-bread-enum' when strong bad said 'mollybdenum'? [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

== This Might Be a Shout-Out ==

Why the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo? My theory: because it featured James K. Polk, who was the subject of a TMBG song. Of course it's a huge stretch, so I'll just put it here and let you guys laugh.

== 0.999... = 1 ==

The '249.999999' made me think of a certain concept in math, this being that '0.999...' equals 1. Anyone think this is a reference, or am I just putting too much thought into this? I mean, if they rounded the price up to the nearest cent (which is done in cent fractions when they occur in tax, so it presumably would be done here), it'd be $250, so .999999 = 1. I think this deserves at least an 'explanation,' but wanted to ask first and am too lazy really to set up a STUFF at the moment. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 22:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:To continue the mathematical theme, the odds of this being a reference rapidly approach zero. Obscure mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make. An explanation might be more appropriate, but the joke seems pretty self-explanatory to me. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 06:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::''"mathematical concepts do not good comedic references make"'' - You've never watched Futurama -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 22:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Crush on Marzipan ==

How many times has Coach Z talked to or about Marzipan as if he had a crush on her or was dating her? There was the time he drunk-dialed her on the answering machine and this. Are there any more? Is it enough to warrant a page or an inside joke?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 23:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
: I could see an argument for setting up a page on Coach Z's and Marzipan's relationship. All in favor? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
::It's a running gag, and a relatiohsip page would also cover the fact that Marzipan hates Coach Z and even had Bubs kick him in the crotch for her. Seconded. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 18:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== comming back? ==

Is the pink skin of the king of town has anything to with the old idea that he was marzipan's father?
:Probably not. It's speculation. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
::And since when is [[The Brothers Strong|looking like each other]] a sign of being [[Pom Pom's Hypothetical Family|related]] in H*R cartoons anyway? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't forget how there's no where indicating any relation between homestar and homsar... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Actual Publishing Company logo ==

Is the logo for the "Actual Publishing Company" a parody/reference to some other logo? At first, it reminded me of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press Associated Press'] logo, but upon looking at the real logo, I'm not so sure. The "P" in the logo reminds me of another logo, for some publishing company, IIRC, but which one?
:TTATOT [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Internet! ==

I suggested that "Internet" should be capitalized and had my edit reverted. Discuss. (For reference, [[Wikipedia:Internet#The_name_Internet|the Wikipedia article]] on the topic.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 21:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:Because i'm an idiot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
::Well, drat. I was really hoping for a good ol' flame-grilled argument. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Arguing is stupid. Your face is stupid. Your butt is stupid. Your you is stupid. Flaming is stupid. (Am i doing a good job?) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== Presidential Assassinations ==

Did anyone else see the start of the "Presidential Assassinations" diorama (a bush) and think it was going to be "the grassy knoll"? I was really worried there for a couple of seconds. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 22:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:diorama

2007-12-07T00:15:49Z

Gaeamil: /* One off */

Talk:diorama

2007-12-07T00:12:10Z

Gaeamil: /* Byoo-cannon */

Talk:diorama

2007-12-07T00:09:46Z

Gaeamil: /* Not a Cat */

diorama

2007-12-07T00:09:00Z

Gaeamil: /* Real-World References */ added Evil the Cat ref

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[[Image:Sbemail184.PNG|thumb|"The effects of cumulonimbus clouds on sheep, snowmen, and... cotton balls."]]
Strong Bad gives tips on how to create a "Middle School Appropriate" diorama.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, [[Peanut Strong Bad]], {{Film|Senor Cardgage}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Coach Z}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Gymnasium]] (Easter egg), [[Coach Z's Locker Room]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, December 3, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 3:43

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' I baked you this special email! It has... raisins.

<blockquote class="lappy email">

<div>subject: Diorama</div>
Hey Strong Bad, 
I have to do some crappy, really stupid diorama this year. 
I want it to be bloody and gory, but it has to be "Middle 
School Appropriate", or whatever. Got any tips? 
Molly T. 
Charlotte, N.C.
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads "Charlotte, N.C." as "Charlotte, Not Charlotte" and comments, "Whoa, It's like you're no place!"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So you're telling me that Ms. Charbroiledburger, or whoever actually told you to make a crappy, really stupid diorama for an assignment? Now ''that's'' what I call edjakashun!! ''{clears screen}'' No sense in thinking about this one until you're on the bus on the way to school the morning it's due. Then it's time to whip out my old standby-orama:

''{Cut to the desk, where a diorama with pencils, pens, a rubber and a bottle of glue inside falls down}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The Whimsical World of School Supplies!

''{Cut back to the computer}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But dioramas shouldn't be wasted, Mollyman. This is probably the only school-approved opportunity to melt small plastic animals and shame our beloved literary characters that you're ever gonna get. I say embrace it! I say deface it!! ''{clears screen}'' Here are my tips: first off, behind every good diorama is an even gooder shoebox. So unless you wanna get called The Stride-Rite Kid for the rest of your life, you better go buy a pair of the

''{Cut to the desk. A red shoebox with "Air Cardgage" white-and-skyblue logo printed on its cover slides in from the right}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' coolest, most expensive shoes on the market.

''{A pricetag with "37899" written on it appears with a ding}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Or at least modify a ''{a lime green shoebox with "Dr. Soft-[[Soolnd]]'s Tan Medical Shoes" written on it slides from the right in front of the Air Cardgage box}'' box of cheapo, generico shoes to look expensive.

''{Strong Sad's hand slaps a piece of paper with "Slam-Dunking" written on it on the shoebox}''

''{Cut out to see the Air Cardgage box, scissors and a hot glue gun. Strong Bad walks in from the right}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now let's talk about topics. If the assignment calls for a science diorama, just slap some glue on some cotton balls and BANG!

''{Cut to the Air Cardgage diorama, where a field and sky has been drawn}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The effects of cumulonimbus clouds ''{cotton balls appear in the sky, forming a cloud-like shape}'' on sheep, ''{sheep made out of cotton balls appear on the ground}'' snowmen, ''{a snowman made out of cotton balls appears on the right}'' aaaaand... cotton... balls. ''{a pile of cotton balls appear on the left}'' But if you're out of cotton balls, real chunks ''{The cotton balls transform to become more "jaggedy" and some of them gain red stains}'' of the King of Town's beard make a great substitute.

''{A blood trace trickles down from the beardcloud}''

''{Cut to the King Of Town, whose beard has been gruesomely ripped}''

'''KING OF TOWN:''' To be fair, I did eat all the cotton balls.

''{Cut back to the desk with Strong Bad, the Air Cardgage diorama, scissors, hot glue gun, colored paper and glue bottle}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' If you need to make some historical diorama, there's only one way to go: presidential assassinations.

''{Cut close to the desk, where a Dr. Soft-Soolnd's Slam-Dunking Shoes diorama slides in from the left}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' You can immortalize such tragic moments in U.S. history ''{a cardboard White House appears in the background}'' as... the robot that effortlessly offed Jimmy Carter. ''{a robot made out of a toilet paper roll and Jimmy Carter doll made out of a clothespin appear. The robot's lights start to twinkle with computer-like sound effects}'' And if it's a book report diorama you're doing,

''{Cut back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' the easiest way to get around reading an actual book is to make one up yourself! I can't tell you how many dioramas I got out of

''{Cut to the Air Cardgage diorama, now with a purple sky, a sun and the King Of Town's castle the background plus King Of Town and a half-eaten Swiss Cake Roll in the foreground}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The King Of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland! ''{a sizeable number of cockroaches swarm around the Swiss Cake Roll, bashing King Of Town down}'' Books one through seven.

''{Cut back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Though with the Internet, it's probably easier for teachers to check your sources than in my day. To get away with that now, you'd also have to make

''{Cut to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' A fake website for the book, ''{a website at www.bookazon.com appears, displaying information about "The King Of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland" by Ronmartin Realdude}'' and the author, ''{a bio and a silhouette with a question mark appear next to the book information}'' and the publisher, ''{a logo for Actual Publishing Company appears in the bottom of the screen}'' and just to be safe, ''{Download the eBook Now -button appears on the screen}'' maybe go ahead and actually write the book.

''{The badly done cover for KoT's Cockroach Book appears}''

''{Cut back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Man. It's gotten so hard to cheat these days!

''{The Cheat walks past in the background, carrying the Lappy}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{agreeing The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Finally, let me address your concerns about blood and gore. There's an easy loophole to exploit here, Molly. A little something I like to call... uh-dinosaurs. No teacher can argue,

''{Cut to an Air Cardgage diorama, with a prehistoric setting}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' that an Allosaurus ''{an Allosaurus appears}'' tearing apart its prey ''{a rubber duck appears}'' is bound to be pretty gruesome. ''{spaghetti and pasta sauce appears on the duck, on the ground and in the Allosaurus' mouth}'' And if that prey ''{rubber duck disappears}'' just happens to be the signers of The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, ''{a table and four clothespin people appear}'' well that's bound to be pretty messed up too. ''{pasta sauce and spaghetti appears on the people}''

''{Cut back to Strong Bad, looking at his diorama, smiling}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh man, that is too awesome. I gotta get in on that action.

''{Cut back to the prehistoric Air Cardgage diorama}''

''{Peanut Strong Bad walks in, holding a cocktail sword with an olive}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, take that, Nicholas Trist, representative for president James K. Polk! I'll teach ''you'' to mess with my Rio Grande! And my Rio Bravo! ''{Peanut Strong Bad pokes and hits Nicholas Trist clothespin}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well Mollybdenum, you think you got enough to go on? You're gonna dioRAM their socks off! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go help that robot vaporize The Old Public Functionary!

''{Strong Bad leaves, geddup noise}''

''{Cut to the green diorama, where the toilet paper robot is shooting a clothespin person. Peanut Strong Bad is standing by him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Come on, Boltotron! Hit him with the Byoo-Cannon!

''{A toilet paper roll with "Byoo-Cannon" written on it descends from above}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Byoo byo-byoo byoo byo-byo-byoo! ''{the Byoo-Cannon shoots red lights at the clothespin person}''

''{The New Paper comes down}''

==Easter Eggs==
* At the end, click the "Byoo-cannon" to see a clip with Senor Cardgage.
*:'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' ''{holding a shoe in one hand and a basketball in the other}'' Oh. Hello-quialism. ''{looks at what he's holding}'' Who are these guys?
*:''{Cut to an image of the shoe alone}''
*:'''ANNOUNCER''': All new 2008 Air Cardgage! Only 249.99.99.99! ''{A price tag appears with that price on it.}'' Only at Styles Upon Styles!
*:''{Cut back to Senor Cardgage}''
*:'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' This is not what I sagged on for. ''{The words also appear in a speech bubble next to his head.}''

* Also at the end, click Peanut Strong Bad to see a clip of Coach Z holding a notepad with a cell phone drawn on it.
*:'''COACH Z:''' Well hey there Ronmartin Realdude. It's the big Z, just giving you a call on my new cell phone. What's that you say? Well I sure am flattered Ronmartin, but I've already got a gorgeous girlfriend name o' Marzipan.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*The [[Wikipedia:Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo|Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo]] was the treaty that ended the [[Wikipedia:Mexican-American War|Mexican-American War]]. [[Wikipedia:Nicholas Trist|Nicholas Trist]] was indeed [[Wikipedia:James K. Polk|President Polk's]] representative at the negotiations.
**Strong Bad's comment "I'll teach you to mess with my [[Wikipedia:Rio Grande|Rio Grande]]" references the dispute between Mexico and the United States over the border of Texas which was the alleged cause of the war. Texas claimed the border was the Rio Grande, while Mexico claimed it was the Nueces River.
**The Rio Grande is known as the Rio Bravo in Mexico.
*[[wikipedia:Molybdenum|Molybdenum]] is a lead-like transition metal found in nature. Its symbol on the periodic table of elements is Mo.
* "The Old Public Functionary" was a [[Wikipedia:List of United States Presidential names#15 — James Buchanan|popular nickname]] for [[Wikipedia:James Buchanan|President James Buchanan]].
*[[Wikipedia:Cumulonimbus|Cumulonimbus]] clouds are a type of cloud that is tall, dense, and involved in thunderstorms and other intense weather.
*An [[Wikipedia:Allosaurus|allosaurus]] is a late Jurassic carnivorous dinosaur, similar to but somewhat smaller than the tyrannosaurus.


===Trivia===
*The blurbs on bookazon.com read:
<blockquote>The King of Town's Adventures 
In Giant Cockroachland 
by: Ronmartin Realdude 
<nowiki>--------------</nowiki> 
''A real book that exists.'' 
3 pages. 
copyright 1943?</blockquote>

<blockquote>Download 
the eBook Now!</blockquote>

<blockquote>Actual Publishing Company 
est. 1904</blockquote>

<blockquote>About the author: 
I'm a best-selling author 
and I am NOT a cat!! I write 
books and am a living, 
breathing person, not a cat.</blockquote>


===Remarks===
* Hello-quialism is a [[portmanteau]] of "hello" and "colloquialism".
* This is the first time The King of Town's skin has ever been visible. He apparently has pink flesh and his face is entirely covered in hair.


===Inside References===
*The pieces of the King of Town's beard are stained with [[blood]]. Spaghetti sauce is also used to simulate blood.
*The email talks about several [[presidents]] and [[dinosaurs]].
*The figurine used in The King Of Town's Adventures in Giant Cockroachland diorama is the same one available in the [[Store Toys#Collectible Figurines|Store]].
*The King of Town figurine is eating a [[swiss cake roll]].
*[[Bookazon.com]] first appeared in [[studying]].
*Coach Z last used an entirely [[Disconnected Telephones|non-functional phone]], complete with imaginary conversation with someone on the other end, in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]].
*In the Senor Cardgage Easter egg, the shoes are sold at [[Styles Upon Styles]].


===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:Stride Rite Corporation|Stride Rite]] is a shoe maker of several mid priced brands, such as Keds and Saucony. The Stride-Rite brand is specifically for small children.
*"Air Cardgage" is a play on the [[wikipedia:Air Jordan|Air Jordan]] shoes endorsed by [[wikipedia:Michael Jordan|Michael Jordan]].
*[[Wikipedia:Jimmy Carter|Jimmy Carter]] was the 39th President of the United States of America. Caricatures of Carter frequently emphasize his mouth, lips and teeth.
*The plot device of a robot assassinating Jimmy Carter was also used in the [http://www.shipbrook.com/TheTick/Tick0101.html pilot episode] of the short-lived Fox prime-time show "[[Wikipedia:Tick (comics)#Live-Action Series|The Tick]]".
*When the author comes up for the fake book website, the author states twice that he is not a cat. This is the trademark line of [[wikipedia:Evil the Cat|Evil the Cat]] from [[wikipedia:Earthworm Jim (TV series)|Earthworm Jim]], when Evil is in disguise.

==External Links==
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{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:diorama

2007-12-03T19:40:36Z

Gaeamil: /**/Not a Cat

yes, wrestling

2007-12-01T02:39:28Z

Gaeamil: /* Transcript */ Bottom right. Definitely a chainsaw.

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[[Image:yes, wrestling.png|thumb|"Never before had two chairs and a potted plant so transformed the wrestling ring!"]]
Strong Bad demonstrates various costumes and gimmicks from his wrestling career.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The Announcer}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, Gary the Legend

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Gymnasium]], [[The Field]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Tuesday, November 27, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 4:41

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Emailin' from the left and to the right, emailin' on a Tuuuuesday night!

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: none</div>
Dear awesome Strong Bad. 
Could you please show us some of your awesome wrestling 
moves. 
Gardenboy 
Bfn SA 
</blockquote>

''{After "Strong Bad", Strong Bad says "Period. That's the best sentence ever written!" He reads the location as "Best friends never, South Africa".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well Gardenboy, as a crafty ring veteran, I can let you in on a little secret: being an awesome wrestler has nothing to do with awesome wrestling moves! ''{clears screen}'' It's all about awesome costumes, gimmicks, and dinosaur tranquilizer fueled ranting and raving! I got my first big break with cable access's longest named wrestling organization: All World Mid-Pro Shirtless Championship Entertainment, or AWMPSCE. ''{pronounces "OMP-skee"}'' Of course, they wanted me to be one of those lame masked wrestlers at first, but I had gimmickier plans.

''{Cut to a photograph of Strong Bad wearing a crown and a wrestling suit that has a crown printed on it. The picture is labeled "Sir Boliver Turnbuckle".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Sir Boliver Turnbuckle and his signature move:

''{Another picture appears with Strong Bad in his Turnbuckle outfit standing behind Strong Sad, with Strong Bad's arm grabbing Strong Sad below his own arm. The picture is labeled "Master of the 1/8th Nelson!"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' The one-eighth nelson!

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That was back in the days when pretending to be a pompous Brit was considered a ''premium'' gimmick. Once I started getting more popular, my next incarnation was

''{Cut to the Gymatorium's doors. A piece of paper with an AWMPSCE logo is taped on sideways.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{voiceover}'' And hailing from the age of exploration, the namer of nations,

''{The doors swing open. Strong Bad is posing behind them. He is wearing an orange beret, a frilly white shirt, and a brown vest. The words "il Cartographer" appear at the bottom of the screen.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' il Cartographer!

''{Strong Bad poses as though he's expecting applause, but all that can be heard are some singers and the King of Town.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Booooooo!

'''SINGERS:''' il Cartographer! He makin' the maps! il Cartographer! He takin' no crap!

''{Strong Bad steps forward and throws pieces of paper at the empty seats.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' And one of my gimmicks was that I'd always come into the ring throwing—

''{One of Strong Bad's papers stops in front of the camera. It is a map of the Gymatorium and shows the way from one of the seats ("here be you") to "the can", as the toilet is labeled. The map is labeled "Ye Olde Restroom Trail".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' maps to the restrooms into the crowd!

''{Cut to the ring; Strong Bad is holding a flag.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I claim-a this saggy ring in the name of il Cartographer!

''{He taps the flag and it unfurls itself and flaps in imaginary wind, showing an image of Strong Bad's beret with "the il-est" written below it.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Booooo!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' That was back when my big feud with Homestar Runner was in full swing!

''{Cut to a closeup of Homestar Runner's rear. He is wearing red pants that read "'EM UP!" in bold white lettering and has cinnamon on his chest. The screen slowly pans back.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Ladies and gentlemen! Joining me backstage in historic empty high school gymnasium—

''{The Announcer can now be seen standing next to Homestar, who is facing away from the camera.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' is a man that needs no introduction. Introducing: The Jack 'Em Up Kid!

''{The words "The Jack 'Em Up Kid" appear at the bottom of the screen. Homestar turns toward the camera. His chest has what appears to be cinnamon "stubble" on it, and his hat has no propeller.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, you know, announcer man, that's right! Hoo, yeah! Jack 'Em Up Kid, empty high school gymnasium, ''{holds up a belt with bacon and eggs carved into the buckle}'' fizzleweight belt on the line! Hoo, yeah! That's right! That's correct! That's precisely what I'm talking about! I got the drive, I got the commotion! I can't believe it! Hoo, yeah! el Photographer, whatchoo gonna did? ''{raises his pants on each word}'' When you get jacked up? ''{snaps the elastic band, which muffles his speech}'' By the Jack 'Em Up Kid!

'''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And that feud carried over into my tag team phase with Strong Mad. Naturally, there were several misfires before we found our groove.

''{Cut to Strong Bad and Strong Mad dressed like tourists. Strong Mad is wearing a purple Hawaiian shirt, while Strong Bad wears a pair of sunglasses and has sunscreen smeared over his nonexistent nose. Both wear fishing hats and cameras.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nothing can stop the Wild Vacationers!

''{"The Wild Vacationers" appears at the bottom of the screen. With a blip, the scene cuts to Strong Bad and Strong Mad in black spandex outfits. Strong Bad is wearing a headband with a big knife tucked into it, and his pants have a wooden board, a wrench, and one other unidentifiable object in them. Strong Mad has a razor blade lodged in his bleeding and apparently scarred forehead, a hammer tucked into his singlet, and the outline of a gun fully inside his singlet. A chainsaw blade can be seen behind him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You betta not mess with the Foreign Object Brothers!

''{"The Foreign Object Bros." appears at the bottom of the screen. With a blip, the scene cuts to Strong Bad and Strong Mad wearing spiky shoulder pads. Strong Mad's singlet is red and has "RAX" written on it. Strong Bad wears a green mohawk.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Rax and Arby: The Sanctum of Spiky Shoulder Pads.

''{"The Sanctum of Spiky Shoulder Pads" appears at the bottom of the screen. With a blip, it cuts to the Announcer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' But we finally settled on...

''{The screen pans over to Strong Bad and Strong Mad with heavy facepaint. Strong Mad's singlet reads "FACEPAINT CONNECTION".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Facepaint Connection! Jack 'Em Up Kid, Gary the Legend, when we step into the ring with the insidious Mr. Cheatayama,

''{Pans over to show The Cheat with a bowler derby and facepaint that resembles a mustache and goatee. He is holding an egg beater. It pans back after a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You better hope for your guts and your mercy ''{looks confused for a moment}'' can save you at this Sunday's PayPerViewver Series.

''{"PayPerViewver Series - Sunday 9PM" appears at the bottom of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I didn't climb the mountains and breathe the facepainted fumes just to let you two walk away with the title I'm done take me off the air! ''{frantically}'' TAKE ME OFF THE AIR!!!

''{Static cuts to Homestar, still in his Jack 'Em Up Kid outfit, holding a microphone.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hoo, yeah! That's right! Facepaint Connection! You can't resist the power of all the screamin' Jack 'Emites and Jack 'Emettes out there when I pin you to the ground for a count of three which is a legal way to win a match in this wrestling federation the last time I checked. Gary the Legend, take it away!

''{He holds the microphone out to his partner. The screen cuts back, revealing that there is nobody there.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that Gary the Legend was Homestar's ''imaginary'' tag team partner.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{to "Gary"}'' You tell 'em! You tell 'em, Gary! Hoo, yeah!

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Eventually I began wrestling as my own dang self and finally achieved what every wrestler strives for: my own in-ring interview segment! Never before had two chairs and a potted plant so transformed the wrestling ring!

''{Cut to the Gymatorium.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' It's time for another installment of—

''{The words "Strong Bad's Folding Chair DUNGEON" appear onscreen. The word "DUNGEON" drips blood.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Strong Bad's Folding Chair Dungeon!

''{Cut to the ring, where Strong Bad can be seen with a microphone. Behind him is a table with a potted plant and a skull on it, with two folding chairs next to it. A red rug sits underneath it all.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Welcome back to the darkest dankest regions of my dungeon! My prisoner this week is the current fizzleweight belt holder: The Jack 'Em Up Kid!

''{Homestar, still in costume, jumps into the ring.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hoo, yeah! Hoo, yeah!

''{Strong Bad hits him with one of the folding chairs, knocking him out. Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So you see Gardenboy, you should stop trying to perfect the Summer Squash Suplex and instead get yourself a rake, a straw hat, maybe a watering can and start screaming about how your opponents are gophers!

''{Cut to the Gymatorium's doors. Singing can be heard in the background. The doors open to reveal Strong Sad with a hat, rake, and watering can.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Gardenboy! He's plantin' the seeds! Gardenboy! He's pullin' out the weeds! Gardenboy! He's gonna bring ya to your knees! He's the il Cartographer, I mean, Gardenboy!

'''STRONG SAD:''' All right, all you gophers out there, ha-bring-it-on!

''{He holds up the watering can, which spouts two flames. [[New Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Jack 'Em T-shirts.png|thumb|What you gone did when you get jacked up?]]
*While Homestar is taunting The Facepaint Connection, click on the "S" in the [[AWMPSCE]] logo to see [[T-shirts]], a bumper sticker, and a foam thumb promoting the Jack 'Em Up Kid.
*At the end, click on Strong Sad's hat to see the Announcer interviewing Strong Mad:
*:'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' And Rax, anything you'd care to add?
*:'''STRONG MAD:''' BEEF AND CHEDDAR! FIVE FOR FIVE!
*At the end, click on Strong Sad's watering can to see a scene with Homestar and the Brothers Strong in the [[Halloween|Field at night]] as il Cartographer, a Facepaint Connection member, Gardenboy, and The Jack 'Em Up Kid.
*:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, Strong Bad. I really like your Rudy from ''Fat Albert'' costume.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*"Bfn" stands for "[[Wikipedia:Bloemfontein|Bloemfontein]]", one of South Africa's three capital cities.
**Strong Bad reads it as "best friends never," which is a play off of the acronym "BFF," meaning "Best friends forever."
*The "1/8 nelson" is not a wrestling hold, but the half-nelson and three-quarter [[wikipedia:Nelson hold|nelson]] are amateur wrestling holds designed to get a quick pinfall, and the full nelson (which is illegal in NCAA wrestling) is a famous submission hold in the professional ranks.
* Strong Bad hitting Homestar Runner with a steel chair refers to the common practice of faking the use of weapons, particularly folding chairs, in professional wrestling.
*A [[Wikipedia:cartographer|cartographer]] is a mapmaker.

===Trivia===
*This sbemail was released Tuesday night instead of the usual Monday morning, as Strong Bad points out in his opening song.
*This is the first time that Homestar's body under the neckline is shown uncensored.
*Homestar's hat doesn't have its propeller.

===Remarks===
*"Gymatorium" is a [[portmanteau]] of gymnasium and auditorium.
*The All World Mid-Pro Shirtless Championship Entertainment has a lot of shirt-wearing wrestlers. il Cartographer, in particular, is not only wearing a frilly shirt but a fine leather vest.
*Homestar's voice seems to be slightly lower.

===Goofs===
*When Strong Bad puts up his "il-est" flag, the floor reads "AWMPSE" instead of "AWMPSCE."
*The "e" in "before" is slightly cut off on the right side.

===Fixed Goofs===
*Initially, when Strong Bad says "dinosaur tranquilizer fueled ranting and raving", "fueled" was misspelled on the computer screen as "feuled". This was fixed the next day.

===Inside References===
*The subject of this email is [[professional wrestling]].
*Homestar Runner, as The Jack 'Em Up Kid, has a wrestling belt with an image of [[bacon]] and [[eggs]].
*Homestar is wearing what could be described as a form of [[long pants]].
*Strong Bad, as il Cartographer, wears an orange [[beret]].
*The Easter egg for clicking on the watering can is a reference to the ending of most [[Halloween]] cartoons, including the [[What are you supposed to be?|inability to recognize Strong Bad's costume]].
*The Cheat, as the Insidious Mr. Cheatayama, wears a black [[bowler hat]].
*As a Foreign Object Brother, Strong Mad has a razor stuck in his forehead, which is causing him to [[blood|bleed]]. Also, in "Strong Bad's Folding Chair DUNGEON", the word "DUNGEON" is dripping with blood.
*At the end of the email, Strong Sad's watering can inexplicably spurts [[fire]].
*The singers for Strong Sad's entrance music are the same singers for the [[Thnikkaman]]'s theme song.
*The scoreboard shows an [[Scoreboard#Irregular Scores|irregular score]] of "?" for the Home team, as it did in [[the paper]]. The Flash file shows the other score as "$", also as in [[the paper]].
*Homestar has [[cinnamon]] on his chest.
*The King of Town is heard [[The King of Town Booing|booing]].
*Strong Bad's wrestling Homestar is a reference to [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]], as is Strong Mad's being Strong Bad's tag team partner.
*As one of the Foreign Objects Brothers, Strong Bad has a [[big knife]] tucked in his [[headband]].

===Real-World References===
*Strong Bad and Strong Mad as Arby and Rax refers to restaurants [[Wikipedia:Arby's|Arby's]] and [[Wikipedia:Rax (restaurant)|Rax]], both of which specialize in roast beef sandwiches.
**A "Beef 'n Cheddar" is a sandwich available at Arby's restaurants. The sandwiches are periodically sold "Five for $5."
*[[Wikipedia:Fat Albert and the Cosby Kids|Fat Albert and Rudy]] were 1970s cartoon characters created and hosted by [[Bill Cosby]], based on his stand-up comedy routine.
*The Cheat's character is based on famous wrestling manager "[[Wikipedia:Harry Fujiwara|Mr. Fuji]]"; among Fuji's famous clients was [[Wikipedia:Demolition (professional wrestling)|Demolition]], a team that wore facepaint in a similar design to what the Strongs have.
*Strong Bad's interview segment is based on many wrestlers having interviews segments (most famously [[Wikipedia:Roddy Piper|Roddy Piper]]'s [[Wikipedia:Piper's Pit|Piper's Pit]]") mid-show.
*"Pay-per-viewver Series" refers to [[Wikipedia:Survivor Series|Survivor Series]], a [[Wikipedia:World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]] pay-per-view event.
*The Sanctum of Spiky Shoulder Pads is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Road Warriors|Road Warriors]] tag team (aka the Legion of Doom), who became famous for their shoulder pads covered in spikes.
*As a member of The Foreign Object Brothers, Strong Mad has a sledgehammer hidden in his tights. This is a refernce to Triple H who uses such a hammer as a trademark foreign object.
*The Wild Vacationers is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Wild Samoans|Wild Samoans]] tag team who were managed by [[Wikipedia:Lou Albano|Captain Lou Albano]]. Albano would often wear a Hawaiian shirt to the ring, much like the Vacationers.
*The Facepaint Connection is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Blade Runners|Blade Runners]], a tag team in Bill Watts' old [[Wikipedia:Universal Wrestling Federation (Bill Watts)|UWF]]. Both of its members would become icons, Sting and the Ultimate Warrior.
*Homestar's quote, "Whatchoo gonna did, when you get jacked up by the Jack 'Em Up Kid?" is a twist of [[Wikipedia:Hulk Hogan|Hulk Hogan]]'s famous interview-ending catchphrase, "Whatcha gonna do when Hulkamania runs wild on you?!" In addition, beginning "Well you know, announcer man..." is similar to Hogan's famous interview opening, "Well ya know something, Mean Gene...", addressed to long-time wrestling personality [[Wikipedia:Gene Okerlund|"Mean" Gene Okerlund]]. Homestar also talks about his Jackemites, similar to the Hogan's hulkamaniacs.
*Homestar's frequent use of the phrase "Hoo yeah!" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Randy Savage|Macho Man Randy Savage]], whose famous catchphrase was "Oooh yeah!"
*The razor blade lodged in Strong Mad's forehead as part of his costume as a Foreign Objects Brother references [[Wikipedia:Blading (professional wrestling)|blading]], the method that professional wrestlers use to make themselves bleed mid-match. Blading involves using a razor blade like Strong Mad's to surreptitiously cut oneself mid-match so that nobody notices that the cut is self-inflicted. Many older wrestlers have noticeable scar tissue on their forehead (much like Strong Mad does in the clip) from blading hundreds of times in their careers.
*Strong Bad saying, "TAKE ME OFF THE AIR!!!" is a reference to a [[Wikipedia:Paul Heyman|Paul Heyman]] shoot promo from an episode of ''[[Wikipedia:ECW on TNN|ECW on TNN]]'' in 2000.
*Homestar's theme song as a wrestler is a slowed-down version of the main theme from [[Wikipedia:Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!|Punch-Out!!]] for the [[Nintendo|Nintendo Entertainment System]].
*"Dinosaur tranquilizer fueled ranting and raving" is a reference to an event that happened on the television show ''[[Wikipedia:WWE Friday Night SmackDown!|SmackDown!]]'' in February 2005, when then-champion [[Wikipedia:John Layfield|John Bradshaw Layfield]] was shot with a [[Wikipedia:Tranquilizer dart|tranquilizer dart]] and went into a rant with an inflatable dinosaur in front of a Tokyo crowd.
* Homestar's "'Em Up" phrase on his shirt is somewhat similar to the catchphrase "Man Up", used by the [[Wikipedia:Briscoe Brothers|Briscoe Brothers]]
* Strong Bad's interview talking about The Jack 'Em Up Kid is a twist on an [[Wikipedia:Ultimate Warrior|Ultimate Warrior]] interview, which were, more often than not, nonsensical.
* Strong Bad's comment of "That was back in the days when pretending to be a pompous Brit was considered a premium gimmick" relates to wrestlers such as the "Lord" Steven Regal ([[Wikipedia:Darren Matthews|William Regal]]), [[Wikipedia:Dave Taylor (wrestler)|"Squire" Dave Taylor]] and [[Wikipedia:Bobby Eaton|"Earl" Bobby Eaton]] ([[Wikipedia:The Blue Bloods|The Blue Bloods]]), as well as a reference to other wrestlers who falsify their claim to British royalty.
* The "Entertainment" in AWMPSCE is a reference to WWE, World Wrestling Entertainment, who changed their name in 2002 from the World Wrestling Federation, or WWF, in response to a cease-and-desist order from the [[Wikipedia:World Wide Fund For Nature|World Wide Fund For Nature]], formerly the World Wildlife Fund, who used the same initials.

===Fast Forward===
*A "fanimaton" was posted on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2007#WF-2007-11-29|Weekly Fanstuff]] on November 29th, 2007, featuring [[Reynold]] as Gardenboy.

==External Links==
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{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:slumber party

2007-11-30T13:42:13Z

Gaeamil: /**/Games of Chance

== Who's Gary? ==

I can't help but wonder... who's Gary? I can only hope that his existence will be explained in the next email. Maybe I wasn't paying attention to the last email... --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 11:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe a reference to Limozeen Gary? [[User:Dementedc|Dementedc]] 11:49, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::I was thinking it was [[Gary Palaroncini]] as well, with all the [[Limozeen]] and [[sloshy]] appearances as of late. [[User:jrgilby|jrgilby]]
:::I doubt it's reference to anything. It's just a random guy, a nobody. That's how I interpret it. Especially as it's not really stated anywhere why Strong Bad would be expecting an e-mail from Limozeen. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 16:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I was just going to say this would be a reference to a character if anything from Spongebob, not an episode. (Gary is a snail). But since Gary is a common name this seems a very tenuous link at best. I removed that line. --[[User:Foolster41|Foolster41]] 18:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:I assume when TBC were planning this email, Matt/Mike just started singing a random song about Gary and they decided to put it in. It could have very easily been Larry, Paul, Dan, Fred, George, Tom, Dick or Harry. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::There was an episode of Spongebob where he and Gary were separated somehow and Spongebob missed him alot. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Did anyone else notice that Thomas O from NY spells TONY? [[User:Meltingemail]] 23:07 3 October 2007

== Coulomb's law? ==

I don't think "Coolguy's Law" is a direct reference to Coulomb's law, even if it was mentioned in "4 branches". "Coolguy's Law" is a throwback to "Prof. Tor Coolguy" from the Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon. The fact that "Coolguy" sounds like "Coulomb" is just a coincidence. Not to mention there's no similarity whatsoever between the two actual equations, nor any compelling reason to write out and explain Coulomb's law in this article instead of just linking to it.
:Amen, amen, a thousand times amen -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 15:04, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::I agree as well. Besides, Coulomb's law is an inverse square law anyway, not an inverse proportional law. --[[User:Crazyswordsman|Crazyswordsman]] 15:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I disagree, i think it IS a reference. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:I agree, this is NOT a reference. Where is STUFF when you need it.-[[User:Racerx is Alive|racerx_is_alive]]

:OK DeFender, some of us have actually taken Physics courses (not to mention very basic mathematics) and
:realize that Coulomb's law does not actually have an inverse relationship - it is an inverse square law. Come now.
:Do you have any basis for making the claim other than the distant phonetic similarity?
:It's gone. [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with defender, i thought of coulomb's law before i even remembered strong bad is in jail, it sounds completely the same, and i don't think tbc would go as so far to make the equations or whatever similar, but i don't really know much about physics and such considering i'm kinda young. --{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 02:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Inverse square and inverse proprotionality are rather different. I'd say that any ref to Coloumb's Law would be weak. I'm not so sure it's a reference to Tor Coolguy, but it's a better chance than Coloumb. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::::I doubt that any joke would be made that would explictly require the viewer to be aware that Coulomb's Law is an inverse square. Why would they specifically refer to Tor Coolguy? Because they're formulating a mathematical Law and they have a name that works as a parody of Coulomb. To my eyes, it's a clear reference to both. [[User:Johnny Ord'nary|Johnny Ord'nary]] 12:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:DeFender1031, why did you say "We don't really do this", when I was trying to list the formula? Makes you seem like a bit of a knob, seeing as someone put the same formula in, in a different place. But hey, whatever wikimaster.
::Anonny, it's not acceptable for you to call people names (as in your edit summary) and be rude to people like this. If you have an issue with DeFender, take it up with him politely. Thanks. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:49, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Text-clearing ==

Is it just me or is the animation for Strong Bad clearing the text on his computer different in this e-mail? I would check another one, but I don't have time. [[User:Dementedc|Dementedc]] 11:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Still looks like the same fwoosh-up to me. {{User:Punching Kittens/sig}} 12:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:It does look like video-games -> food clears to the upper-left corner rather than going straight up. Could someone with a decompiler frame-by-frame it? [[User:61.48.103.184|61.48.103.184]] 12:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::I thought the same thing when I was watching it. If you frame by frame it though it's just scrolling off the screen in the normal way. Must the the shape of the text on the screen that makes the illusion. [[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 15:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

== Slumber Party Dance ==

Can anyone make out what Homestar is singing? It's incoherent to me, but he's definitely not ''just'' saying "Party! Slumber Party!" as the transcript <strike>currently reads</strike>. [[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 16:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:He most certainly is just saying that actually. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:00, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::He certainly says that, he most certainly does not say '''just''' that. [[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 17:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's basically what he's saying, but after "Party! Slumber party!" he says something noticeably different. I can't make out one word, but he sings "Listen to some something! At my slumber party!" Despite my attempts to understand that one word where he sings "Listen to some..." I can't make it out.
:::Nevermind, this is sort of moot now, someone has updated the transcript...[[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 17:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

==This is my email!!==

I sent this email in! I can't believe it got answered! --[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 16:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:That's really cool, way to go! So UNO invited you to a party, huh? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh no. There was a "slumber party" in the dorm lounge, and the only activity was a game of Uno. After one game everyone was bored and the "party" was over. --[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 16:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Ah, i see... they need to get more interesting games... like [[wikipedia:Filthy Rich (game)|filthy rich]], hedbanz, [[Wikipedia:Ticket to Ride (board game)|ticket to ride]], [[Wikipedia:Guillotine (game)|guillotine]], things nobody's ever heard of... (Those are all fun games) I'm actually gonna be playing filthy rich with my friends tonight... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
In case any of you don't believe me, I have the original email still saved, which I just took a screenshot of. Hmm, I just noticed that they edited out "at a nearby dorm".
[http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e270/NintendoExpert89/Picture4.png Here]
--[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 16:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:Welcome to the club Thomas O. How is that girl's night out party kit treating you ;) [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 16:53, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

::That's awesome, ThomasO — congrats! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Congrats ThomasO. I wish I had my email answered by Strong Bad. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Me too. Heck, I've emailed Strong Bad SEVERAL TIMES and STILL NO ANSWER. CAPITALZ. {{User:Neox/sig}}
:::::Good to know they'll edit it a bit, now I don't have to be paranoid about making sure everything's completely good-sounding and relevant :)
In response to you posting a pic of the email, i believed it beforehand... it WAS signed "ThomasO"... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
If any of you are interested, I wrote a story describing the events of that "slumber party" on my user page. --[[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 00:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

== Load Bearer ==

In traditional home construction, a load-bearing wall is one which is part of the basic structure of the house, and the studs in it support the roof. Normally it's the wall directly below the peak of the roof. Those studs, and therefore that wall, bear the load of the roof beam. This is opposed to a non-load-bearing wall, whose studs do not support any weight and simply divide the floor into rooms. Destroying a non-load-bearing wall won't affect the structural intecrity of a house; destroying a load-bearing wall can cause the roof to collapse. (Note that in steel buildings a steel beam is supported on either side and there is no need for a load-bearing wall, as the steel is stronger and does not require mid-beam support as wood does. However, homes built this way are more expensive.)

Now, is that what they're playing? Looking for a wall to destroy that bears the roof load? I didn't want to go and change the fact right off, as it at present also makes sense. Thought it merited discussion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

== Stops abruptly ==

Um...this e-mail will just stop abruptly in the middle and not go on, around the part about Coolguy's Law. I've even tried using a seek bar, but it won't even go past that part. I've cleared my cache, refreshed, viewed the flash file, EVERYTHING I know. Help! --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 22:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

:I haven't encountered that issue. Do you have other programs running which m ight be using up proccesing speed? I'd try clearing the cache and all that again, a full reboot, open just a browser, and try it then. Another question: does the Flash load completely? I mean, if you open it in Firefox with the Greasemonkey, does the bar fill completely, or does it not download the whole file? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::It looks like it fully loads. When it stops, the seek bar isn't at the end, it's where it should be. Lemme try going to IE. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 22:13, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::Huh, it works in IE. Weird. Let me try giving the Greasemonkey thing the bed axe and see if it works. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 22:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
::Ugh. Still stopping. I'll try rebooting it later, I have homework to do. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 22:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it works now. Don't know how, though. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 01:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Unbelievable ==

I can't believe none of you guys put up the fact that Homestar can't play Clapping Party WITHOUT ARMS! User:WeirdAl 22:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

PS:I saw Weird Al a second time in Aug!!!

:He can't carry around a bag of four grapes without arms either. Nor can he carry a fondue set. Nor can he wrap a Deep Impact DVD and bring it to a party. He can't do any of these things without arms, can he? Well, turns out he in fact can. We don't know how really. But he can. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

::Altough, you have to admit, it is pretty ironic that the only game he can play is one about clapping your hands. Still, not relevant enough to make a mention.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 01:15, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Really? You don't think this is a reference to non-visible arms?[[User:65.101.86.13|65.101.86.13]] 03:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Well, any use of the non-arms can be a reference to that. The original poster supposed that he could not do that because he had no arms. Quite a different question. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:::::But obviously playing "clapping party" without arms is a lot more amusing and ironic than picking up a bag of grapes. Maybe it's not worth a mention, but it's still a valid point and a clever choice of game, so no need to rag on the OP.
:::FWIW i think it maaay deserve a mention, but that comes very very close to explaining the joke

== ESRB ==

There's some kinda time vortex going on. Retro games with the very modern concept of being ''rated''.
:I disagree. Many retro-style games are being made nowadays for old systems (at one point there was even going to be a Homestar 2600 game) and, so far as I know, they are given ratings. Even re-releases of old pre-rating titles are rated. {{User:Zoom/sig}} 02:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

:Do we even know Strong Bad's finds are retro games? There may be another console besides Homestar's Super Funmachine or whatever he's playing. [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 12:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

::I agree with Evil Egg. In the Easter Egg, the Blistergeist guy, the blood, and the blisters were much more hi-def than the hands. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}

== Rhythm Action Games ==

Anyone else think "Clapping Party" is a reference to games like DDR and Guitar Hero? They both share the idea of not using the traditional controller. [[User:76.78.50.55|76.78.50.55]] 02:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Not familiar with DDR, but Guitar Hero is so much more complex it's silly. You cannot compare the two. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::By DDR I believe he's refrring to [[wikipedia:Dance Dance Revolution|Dance Dance Revolution]].
:::Ok. In both thess games, temporal accuracy is required. In Clapping Party you need clap 3 times. That's not a comparison to a game requiring rhythmic presicion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Note also that there's nothing to indicate that Homestar isn't using a traditional controller, as all we see is a black cord leading to where he's sitting. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::i think it's donkey konga referance. aguy

::::::I was also thinking Donkey Konga (I think that's the right spelling) - it has a clapping element to it. Another possibility, though less likely, is a reference to the emerging market in motion-capture games - the PS2 and Xbox 360 already have camera-enabled games that track your movements, and the PS3 is about to see a peripheral that enables more advanced camera gaming (the "Eye"). A simple game based on this concept could simply require players to do really simple movements like clapping their hands, without any other sort of plot. (Side note: I can't decide if this idea would have any merit or not, considering the ongoing running gag about Homestar's [[Lack of visible arms]].)

::::::Keep in mind also that TBC deliberately make their Easter-egg games INCREDIBLY simple. Clapping Party is just as likely to be an inside reference to their much older Flash games as it is to anything in the real world. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::that is how u spell it. aguy

== Not made fun of New Paper ==

Should we maybe mention that this is the first occasion since New Papes's [[the paper|introduction]] that SB hasn't made fun of it? {{User:LongLiveCoachZ/sig}} 03:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Actually, that was the [[pizza joint|last email]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::Ohhh...right, right...My bad...I swear, one of these days I'll do something right! {{User:LongLiveCoachZ/sig}} 19:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:Actually, I thought that [[Bike Thief]] was the first time Strong Bad didn't insult the new paper.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 19:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::No, he expressed displeasure at its attempting to emulate The Real Paper. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but that's not a direct insult.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Let's just say that last e-mail was the first time for the New Paper to come down with no notice by any of the characters, and nothing is said at it. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}
:::::Yeah and then next time we can say that two emails ago was the first time that no one said anything about it! and then the one after that we can say it was three emails ago! A brilliant addition to each page. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 14:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::Wow man, could you be just a little bit more of a jerk about it? I don't think you quite made yourself clear.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 00:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, Jdhannan, I didn't mean to put it on the page. I just meant to wrap up the discussion as [[pizza joint]] being the first e-mail for New Paper to come down with no notice. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}

== Dancing Homestar ==

Hey, I'm just curious, how many times does a joke have to be done to be considered a running gag. Because between this, Pizza Joint, and the orginal headless version one on mile, Homestar's dance has been done three times.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 20:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:I would think we should wait until it makes another normal appearance that can be seen through normal viewing and/or clicking. In other words, the first one in mile shouldn't exactly count as a full fledged appearance.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 22:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::I thought as much. Just felt like checking.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 00:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
== Siblings? ==

When Homestar says that "we're only allowed to play Clapping Party", it sounded as though he was referring to him and his siblings, perhaps? {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}
:I'm pretty sure he was talking about Strong Bad and himself.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 21:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::<s>When you go to a slumber party, you tell your friends that the games are off-limits to your brothers and sisters, not your guests. Your parents can't tell them what to do, and you know your dad is just going to play with them later.</s> {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}
:Riiiight... its not your friends' house, so they can do whatever they like? It definitely means that SB wasn't allowed to play it, and thus his friends wouldn't be allowed to either. Assuming the game was too violent, watching it wouldn't be any less 'damaging' than playing it. Also, (theoretically) SB may have OLDER siblings that would be allowed to play it. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 14:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::It's just the way Homestar said it, it didn't sound like to me that he was referring to Strong Bad, but the rest of his family! {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}
:::Okay, to tie up loose ends, if Homestar was an only child, he would have said "'''I'm''' only allowed to play Clapping Party. But if he had siblings, he would have said "'''We're''' only allowed to play Clapping Party." Do you see where I'm going with this? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== bogus mathematical theorems ==

I don't know about the above-mentioned Coulomb's law, but this is the third appearance of Strong Bad's bogus mathematical theorems. Is it time for them to get their own page?--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
:I was wondering how often something has to be mentioned to get it's own page too. I say yes, but that's just my opinion.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 21:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say it should be made. I think the rule of thumb is three appearances. And it's not like this is the very last quasimathematical pseudotheory Strong Bad's ever going to make. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 15:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I definitely think this should get its own page — Strong Bad even acknowledges it as a legitimate running gag in [[property of ones]]. I'll get the page started at [[Bogus Mathematical Theorems]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

== Fonts ==

The words "Typical Slumber Party Fare" are written in either Huxtable or Hurry Up.

== Strong Sad's arm? ==

Is it ever explained exactly why his arm is in a sling? [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 02:04, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Strong Bad explains it by saying "let me relieve you of that located shoulder", and don't forget that he said "you can trash the place '''and dislocate all the younger siblings shoulders you want'''. As Strong Sad is the youngest of the Brothers Strong, and that he is bullied often, it is more than likely that he got his arm dislocated. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}
:Ah, that makes sense. I guess I missed that. Well, I didn't. I just didn't comprehend it in relation to the sling. Thanks! [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 02:43, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::No prob. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}

== tilted pixels ==

''"The pixels in the hands during Clapping Party are tilted"'' What the heck does this mean? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 14:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Means [[:Image:Clapping_Party.png|this]]. The pixels in the hand are diagonal, unlike they would appear on a real screen. However, tilted and off-placed pixels (as well as LED-fields and such) are very common with TBC (whether it's style or just overall laziness), and as such this remark is pretty redundant. --[[User:Sysrq868|Sysrq868]] 14:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

can someone create an article with all the tilted pixel errors on it? i don't know how to edit wiki's, so im not going to do it, but if someone likes this idea, go ahead :) user: Raltaran

== Inversely vs. Directly Proportional ==
This needs some addressing here on the talk page, since people are perpetually changing this back and forth. Strong Bad is making the point that "the popularity of the host is inversely proportional to the amount of fun you can have at their house." This is not a goof! It ''is'' inversely proportional! Thus he can go to Homestar's house (because Homestar is NOT popular), and do fun things like "tear that place apart" (by playing games like "Find The Load-Bearer" and "Bed Axe") because, after all, it's "not like you're ever going back there again" -- why ''would'' you ever go back to an unpopular person's house? Furthermore, he talks about playing video games that "unpopular kids' dads" have stashed away. Like "Blood Bleeder" (whoa, does ''that'' one sound awesome!). The implication is that popular kids' dads are not as likely to have such "fun" video games. '''Inversely proportional''' is correct. Are we all agreed?? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:To dumb it down, if it's inversely proportional, it means: the more popular the host, the less fun you'll have at their house. If it's directly proportional, it means: the more popular the host, the more fun you'll have at their house. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I see what you're saying. [[user:haldo]]

== Tured a new leaf? ==

At the end of the email, strong sad is all, "how do you know this?" Don't you agree that this is WAY more outgoing than the usual strong sad? [user:haldo][[User:Haldo|Haldo]] 21:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Already added to [[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship]].--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 00:04, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
So, shouldn't there be an Easter Egg to explain how Strong Bad DOES know this? I'd assume that he attended a slumber party where another partygoer was thus attired, or where SB himself was thusly attired. But it seems there should be a visual example.
Another thought: is there a page for tighty whities? [user:guest] 3 October 2007
:We have a page on [[Underwear]], if not specifically that style... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:11, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:Wasn't there a pants-off party where Strong Bad was the only one who wears any pants? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 04:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
::Sort of. The e-mail you're thinking of is [[senior prom]]. Strong Bad decides to crash the prom and rigs a button to remove everyone's pants. He only realizes that he is the only one that ever wears pants when The Cheat tells him after he pushes the button. {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}

== Donkey Konga ==

Homestar's Clapping Party game made me think of the game [[Wikipedia:Donky Konga|Donkey Konga]]. Could this be a reference, or is it too irrelevant (since in the game, you often use bongos). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:02, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. I wonder... {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:Good cath, but I don't think it's close enough to make it off the talk page. Sorry.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 00:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
actually dk konga is mention'd above

== Coolguy's Law Inconsistency? ==

I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=slumber_party&curid=37978&diff=503982&oldid=503981 removed}} the following remark from the article:
<blockquote>
The formula for Coolguy's Law does not match the theorem, in that it is a statement of equality, not proportionality. For the popularity of the host to be inversely proportional to the amount of fun you can have at their house, the right-hand side of the equation should be multiplied by some unspecified constant <math>k</math>.
</blockquote>
If two things are equal, they're also proportional (with a constant <math>k=1</math>). So, Strong Bad's statement doesn't contradict the formula, but the formula is more specific. Maybe this is notable, but I didn't think so, in part because the fact is worded as if the slight difference is an error. Anyways, I'm posting here in case people disagree with me. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:37, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

With two unstandardized units of measure such as "popularity" and "house fun," you can pretty much arbitrarily define the starting point and ratio for either such that the already insignificant constant is completely unneeded. Could be that the the measure of "house fun" is so specific-purposed that it is defined AROUND popularity based on this formula. So I agree that it certainly isn't a goof. And as a remark, it takes too much time to explain to be worth mentioning. Still, it would have been a nice tip of the hat to nerds if the brothers hit us up with a little '∝' action. [[User:65.11.113.31|65.11.113.31]] 22:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Trey56: "If two things are equal, they are also proportional." This is true, but it does not make a *statement of proportionality* the same as a *statement of equality*, and shame on your math teacher for allowing you to think that. It would be like saying 3 <= 5 means the same thing as 3 < 5, just because they are both correct for the same reason. What was written on the chalk board was not Coolguy's Law as stated. --[[User:76.28.232.189|76.28.232.189]] 16:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

65.11.113.31: While the definitions of Popularity and House Fun are unclear, they clearly *aren't* defined as themselves multiplied by some arbitrary constant. This is simple high school math, and TBC dropped the ball on it. It's remarkable, or a goof. --[[User:76.28.232.189|76.28.232.189]] 16:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== the bet ==

Can we apply Coolguy's law to Strong Bad and The King of Town's sleepover in [[the bet]]? It looked like Strong Bad had fun at the end of the party, which would render Coolguy's Law as true! {{User:ClubPenguin923/sig}}

Inspiration, mayhaps? Certainly seems notable to me. [[User:65.11.113.31|65.11.113.31]] 16:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== Just saying... ==
Not all the games would be M rated. I interviewed a friend and here are his results:

Blood Bleeder - T 
Head Chopper 2 - M 
Scab Wars - T 
Blistergeist - T

What do you think? --{{User:Gtxm78/sig}} 21:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
:And what is this based on? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's not really your friend's opinion that matters, unless his surname is Chapman. [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 16:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
the thing is, what makes you say they would be rated m or t? because he said so? maybe if you used a flash decompiler to remove strong bads hand, you will see the rating. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 02:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

==Coolguy's law: a goof?==
I noticed this a looong time ago, but never said anything because I thought you guys would find out about it. In the coolguy's law seen, if you look closely, you should be able to see the coolguy's law drawn in black before it's done in white chalk. Since the chalk traces over the black coolguy's law, TBC may have used a program to make coolguy's law a chalky white. Is this considered a goof? {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}} [[Image:Goofsbemail180.png|thumb|Ooopsies.]]

== Games of Chance ==

When the KoT mentions games of chance, that's probably gambling. Which does bring into question why SB isn't interested. And yes, i know, I already added this to the page, and it was removed. Can I at least ask why, please?--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Rap Song

2007-11-30T13:14:59Z

Gaeamil: /* The Cheat's Animation Style */

==Coach Z Doesn't Sound Like Himself==
Hey!!! did any of you notice that coach z doesnt sound like himself until the rap{{unsigned|67.170.119.144|0:45:18, 2007-11-13}}

:That because it was a powered by the cheat cartoon.{{unsigned|68.210.53.58|0:53:04, 2007-11-12}}
:The Cheat is doing the voices.{{unsigned|75.72.21.221|0:53:29, 2007-11-12}}
:That would be great... I mean [[Mike]]. He tends to do that for those [[Powered by The Cheat]] thingies. But perhaps it should be mentioned in the transcript when it's a PBTC voice and when it's Coach Z's voice. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 01:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::How should it be noted, however? It doesn't look like there is any precedent for dialog in a PBTC voice and then a musical piece with the regular voice. Should {PBTC} noted in front of each line, or note in the description? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd support putting "Powered by the Cheat" or something tothat effect in front of everyone's name until the song starts. The Cheat made an intro on his own, and then made a video to a previously recorded R-A-P S-O-N-G. That's my view of it, at least. [[User:132.161.138.10|132.161.138.10]] 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (I used to have an accoun, but I guess if you use it too infrequently it's DELETED? That's happened to me twice.)
:::I'm pretty sure accounts are only deleted under extreme circumstances. I believe this is the case in most wikis, sometimes for legal reasons as well as technical ones. Here at the HRWiki, I don't think [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ the license] prevents them from deleting accounts (though I'm 1: not a lawyer, and 2: haven't really read the license looking for that kind of thing), but the technical issues here remain the same as anywhere else: If you delete an account, what happens to all of their edits? In any case, knowing what your account names were would help in tracking down the problem, and a [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]] could help you if you brought it to their attention. Well, if it's an account issue, you might just need a [[Special:Listusers/bureaucrat|bureaucrat]]. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 03:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

==Dr. Dre Reference==
I'm glad to see the Dr. Dre "reference" was deleted. I'm sorry I spent the time adding links. Besides that it's a rap song (and rap songs are all alike, right?) I don't see the similarity. And I'm certainly not comfortable with the links because of the profanity in the Wikipedia articles. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm unfamiliar with the song, so I have no clue if there's any hidden references to it in this toon. I removed it because... well, I think facts that say "there is a reference to whatever" without saying what, exactly, the reference *is*, are essentially useless. They more or less expect you to *know*, which not everyone does. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Incorrect reference for Mix Tape==
I think the fun fact is grabbing the wrong part of the Wikipedia entry for "mix tape." This 'toon is definitely referring to the Hip Hop definition of mix tape, more like a demo than a home-made sample of other people's tracks.

From wikipedia:
"Often each track on a promotional hip hop mixtape will feature the same artist, thus making it more difficult to differentiate from the definition of a standard album. However, these mixtapes will usually have much lower production values than a studio album (such as housing "Demo" versions of tracks, or simply un-mastered/un-mixed versions of the tracks), and contain numerous collaborations, remixes, freestyles and voice-overs, often arranged in a specific flowing fashion, much like retail albums are."
--[[User:24.188.228.33|24.188.228.33]] 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

...Oh jeez. You're probably right. --[[User:Duck Secks|Duck Secks]] 02:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==New Math==

<blockquote>
*"My name is [[Tenerence Love]]" actually equals <math>Tenerence Love + 1</math> by order of operations, not <math>Tenerence Love remainder 3</math> as stated.
**Additionally, if the equation is interpreted as <math>(My name is Tenerence Love + My Name is Tenerence Love) / My name is Tenerence Love </math>, it should equal two, by factoring.
</blockquote>

...so, we're debating the mathematical formula behind what're basically nonsensical lyrics? As I said in the edit summary when I removed these, this seems to be talk page material and nothing more. Anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::I was about to say the same thing. They're FUN facts, people. Who honestly cares whether or not it would be remainder three or the square root of piemonade???? I vote DELORTED!!--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Edit: oh, it already was delorted. Too little too late.
Keep it civil. I actually found this very interesting and worked it out for myself. ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' = –1 if you perform the addition before the division; otherwise it is undefined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not saying it's not *true* or anything... I think it's great talk page material, but trying to analyze a nonsensical "math problem" in a comical rap song seems... a bit odd, IMO. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... I guess I hear the maths differently to you guys... I hear it as (abbreviating ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' as <math>x</math> for readability): <math>\frac{x+x}x = x\mbox{ r}3</math>, that is: <math>\frac{x+x}x = x + \frac 3 x</math> which solves to <math>x=1 \plusmn \sqrt 2 i\,</math>. Of course, this has problems, as the "remainder" thingy usually only makes sense when you're dealing with integers, not complex numbers... but it's a reasonable extension. Anyways, the order-of-operations reading, <math>x+\frac x x=x\mbox{ r}3</math>, makes even less sense, since the division has to be the last step for the remainder thing to make sense. Also, I'm with YK here... precedent is that pointless mathematical overanalysis, however fun, belongs on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard that and thought of a quadratic equation. I'm tempted to claim this is an IR to Virus ("Did the quadratic formula explode?" -SB) but that's... um... unlikely. At best. It could also be a nod to the old Bogus Mathematical Theorems, but I doubt that as well. Anyway, for the record, even though it makes no sense to state the equation with a remainder using the order of operations reading, you can still solve it for ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove''. It's 3. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To anyone who wants this in the article: Y'all buscuitheads, you remind me of ''[[Wikipedia:A Beautiful Mind (film)|A Beautiful Mind]]'' — "finding" meaning in the meaningless. Rondleman, you crack me up. Crack! Me! Up! (P.S. I <s>hated</s> strongly disliked ''A Beautiful Mind''.) Whew, I get ornery at 1:00 in the morning! I do have to say, "the square root of piemonade" made me laugh. Thanks for that, Nevadie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just a parody of the fact that he said "plus" in the second line, which can mean adding in the grammatical sense or in the mathematical sense. It's called poetic license. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Awexome. Poetic license and all that. Oh, and dot com, I wasn't being uncivil. Only sarcastic.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Finding meaning in the meaningless"? Isn't that the whole point of this wiki? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:The equation is impossible, given the "remainder 3" part that you all seem to be ignoring, order of operations, there's no way to have a remainder three in such a case, and order given, there's no remainder at all. This is not a real equation, it's impossible to solve, and we shouldn't even try. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The equation, performed in the stated order, is perfectly solvable if you think of it as a quadratic equation and treat "MyNameIsTeneranceLove" as a variable (say, X). The "remainder 3" would then be "X remainder 3," which is just another way of saying "X plus 3 over X." Phlip explained this quite adequately. If you take the order of operations into account, the equation is even easier to solve. It's first year algebra, and X ends up equaling 3. Sompm's HS math teacher explains this one below, and it's pointed out (sans explanation) above. The fact that it really makes no sense to use a remainder in this kind of equation, and that you wouldn't actually encounter such a problem (either version) in real life, does not make it "impossible to solve." We've solved it. Both versions. Several times. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor <math>(\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1})</math>. It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only [[Tenerence Love]] could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

I ran it by my highshool math teacher mother, and we came up with this: according to the order of oprations, we divide x by x first, to get one, so it's x+1 = xR3, and because the fraction of the division is the remainder over the denominator so it's x+1=x+3/x. if x is 3, the x+1=x+1.
in short, "my name is tenerence love" is 3. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anony ties lowercase i's in: [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
"*Solving (Tenerence Love + Tenerence Love)/Tenerence Love = Tenerence Love remainder 3 yields Tenerence Love = 1+i√2 or 1-i√2. This is another instance of [[lowercase i's]]."

A slight correction for Dagron:
When you plug 1-i√2 back into the equation, you get 0 = 4i√2. If you write out the equation as you did, only 1+i√2 correctly solves for Tenerence Love. This, of course, ignores that when it is calculated by the ordinary order of operations (as was pointed out by Sompm and the math-teach-mommy), the answer is just 3.

but didn't he say "equals tenayeaaarence love!"?? so it's a whole different integer! x+x/x='''Y'''R3! no problems! [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

:An instance of Lowercase i's. From the solution to a fake math problem. That may well be the best stretch ever. Even better than the Iron Sheik/Iron Cheek/Buns of Steel connection and the Eggs/Organic Batteries/"Eggs Not A Fruit" connection. I love it. (Ok, ok, forgive the blatant sarcasm, but this is just too funny. =P) -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we get it; some people don't think math is fun. We don't need those of you in that category to stomp all over our fun. In regards to the different interpretations of the formula, it seems that the most viable one is the one represented VISUALLY in the rap song itself. We don't just have a spoken word, we have a text as well, which should clear up all ambiguity. -TheHat 03:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed all this was going on when I added that comment again myself. Sorry. [[User:162.84.76.224|162.84.76.224]] 02:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I just gotta say, I was also thinking about the math of this. And to all of y'all who think it's weird or strange, there are those of us who find math interesting. I myself am an engineering student. If if it wasn't people like us, the computer connected to the internet and running on the outlet power that you're using wouldn't be at all possible. -Eaglescout1984 02:38 19 November 2007 (GMT)

== warsh ==

I'm not sure if anyone cares, and I'm sure it doesn't belong in the article anywhere, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that in some areas of Eastern Canada, especially [[wikipedia:Prince Edward Island|PEI]], pronouncing the word "wash" as "warsh" is actually part of a regional accent. I used to live in that region, and almost nobody my age ever said it like that, but a lot of us had parents who did. Also common around there is saying "slippy" instead of "slippery", and saying the word "barrel" in such a way that it sort of rhymes with "Carl". - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:Warsh is also a common pronunciation of wash in Kentucky and some areas further south. Unusual that it makes the long leap up to Canada and skips over everything in between. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::As interesting as that is, I don't think it has anything to do with Coach Z's pronounciation of the word. He simply pronounces all words like that, and the majority of them do not sound similar to any other accent in any region. (For example, Port = Putt. What?) {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 10:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::If I recall, Coach Z was originally intended to have a sort of US midlands accent that quickly began to devolve and get weird, until it's really just replacing some sounds with "or" and "ar" sounds. Now it doesn't really resemble any sort of language at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My grandma (born and raised in Minnesota) has always said "warsh" .. I'll bet it's a reference to her! Will someone please add this to the article: '''"Wash" being spelled as "warsh" is a reference to [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]]'s grandma who has always pronounced it that way."''' By the way, it's not Coach Z's pronunciation we should be talking about here; The Cheat is responsible for the word "warsh" .. not Coach Z. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::My Hoosier relatives have been know to say "worsh" and/or "warsh" on occasion. Say, aren't TBC from Indiana? --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 21:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Wash was also spelled and pronounced as "worsh" in 20X6 vs. 1936. Perhaps it's a referance to that too! Personally, I feel it's a TTAOT. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Anthropomorphic Egg==
When I saw the egg chasing after Peacy P's limo/waffle house, my first thought was that it was supposed to be one of the villains from Data East's [[Wikipedia:Burgertime|Burgertime]], but a quick check of the box art shows that the egg didn't wear a domino mask as portrayed here. Is this a ''Burgertime'' reference despite the cosmetic difference, or is the significance of the egg relevant to something else? [[User: Nekouken|Nekouken]]
:Dude, it's breakfast, and it's walking. Some things in these cartoons are just silly for the sake of silly, not everything is a reference to something and/or has a hidden meaning. - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did notice one thing about the '''EGG'''. And that is that the '''EGG''' appears to be holding a gun, and also the '''EGG''' has legs, and an animation (running) that seams almost Identical to that game on H*R where you shoot each other, have the same style leggs as this '''EGG''' and run the same way the '''EGG''' does in this video. I think the game was called "Where's an..." Damn! I forgot the last word of the title... [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Nate Dogg==

I believe that Tenerence Love is 'sposed to sound like Nate Dogg. And also "It don't stop" is something that alot of rappers (especially Snoop Dogg) says. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Tenerence Love wearing a donut reminded me of Luther Vandross and his infamous diet, but I don't necessarily think that's a reference, either. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 13:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rap Song Visuals ==

Someone needs to write a separate article for the video's visuals (I don't know if I have time to do it) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Fast Food Freestyle==
This supposed RWR ("Peacey P places an order for food much like in the video "Fast Food Freestyle" on Youtube.") needs some discussing, methinks. Pretty funny video, and similar, but sometimes there's an overlap in ideas that TBC may think are original but that have been done before. Is it a reference? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd have to say TTATOT. It's just another random thing they do. Ordering breakfast in the middle of a rap song.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Peacey P ==

...is the abbreviation PCP, which can mean a lot of things ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP]), but probably Phencyclidine. This would make it another drug reference. --[[User:91.97.14.14|91.97.14.14]] 16:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:See his character page. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 18:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Coach Z's accessories==
If you may notice, Coach Z's hat and Z change during the toon. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's because The <strike>Chort</strike> Cheat isn't a very good Flash animator. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==I don't even know who's song this is==

Is that part a reference to the reputation of rap songs sampling other songs without permission? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I took it as him admitting that he works with so many other rappers that he can't even keep track of whose song he's in at the moment.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::What about the "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Yes Yes, Yall ==

reference to the Will Smith song? most likely a coincidence, but i immediately thought of the Will Smith song Yes, Yes Yall (i think that's what it's called). whatchyall think? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 20:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==The end distortion==

When the picture is distorted at the end, the singers sound nauseated. I don't remember this originally. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Sterrance in background of last section? ==

Take a look at the last section of the rap song when Tenerance Love is flying by on a doughnut. What is that pink thing on the right? It vaguely reminds me of [[Sterrance]] from [[animal]] but it's a bit off. Any ideas? --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hated to remove this from the page, but it's actually the running Egg from the breakfast. Y'all biscuitheads! -- → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, obviously :^P Don't worry about it, I never actually added this to the page before I put it here, so someone must have been overly ambitious. --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 05:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Waffle House ==

Does the explaination of what Waffle House is (Since it's where Peacey orders breakfast, though named differently) seem worth including on the page? Also, can anyone tell what name is scribbled on the top of his order? → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The name looks to be "_est Chef" with the blank being unreadable (to me) but I assume it's "Best Chef". Nothing there, I guess. Interesting though that "Tos" for "Toast" is there, when previously it was "Toz" for "Toes". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Noteworthy "pseudo-goofs?" ==

I'm surprised no one's made mention of a few "pseudo-goofs":

* At the words "come to do his landry," Coach Z briefly appears to have two left forearms.

* After Coach Z asks if he can record on new album, Peacey-P's body clearly disconnects from his head.

* Coach Z's left eye briefly pops out of his head at the words "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"

* When singing, Tenerance Love's moustache and goatee occasionally overlap his microphone.

These are obviously not honest goofs, but they stand out as exceptional even considering The Cheat's usual two-years-old-boy style. Worth adding to "Remarks?" [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:They *have* been mentioned, repeatedly. They just keep getting removed, because we don't point out The Cheat's "goofs". The "feauring" thing is an exception because that appears to be an honest typo. It's correct the other two times, and Teh C doesn't have a history of typoes or misspellings. -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I thought we normally put PbTC "goofs" under Remarks. I know for a fact we've done it before (in [[animal]], for example). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Granted I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any PbTC "goofs" listed in the Remarks section of [[animal]]. You sure that's the one meant? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I know there was something in there at one point... About how objects pass overtop the christmas lights, but under the fanglyfish... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I feel that these pseudo-goofs do deserve some merit. I didn't see the first and third pseudo-goofs, and I found them interesting. I feel they should go under the "remarks" section. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Agreed, they probably should go *somewhere* in the fun facts, but given the sheer number of them, it seems like they'd just clutter the Remarks section... Perhaps a new subsection for PbTC toons? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds good. Maybe it could be a subsection of goofs. (Call it PbTC goofs or something). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The notion of making a sub-section for this type of content seems quite warranted, especially if such things keep getting added and deleted. My feeling is that if TBC went through the trouble of glitching up PbTC segments, it's worth documenting. "PbTC Goofs" or "PbTC Style" seem good to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe these should go in [[Rap Song Visuals]], if anywhere. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== "I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz" visual ==

I noticed that visual where Peacey P is rapping in front of his golden record, all but his afro is reflected.
:Another psuedo-goof? (See above). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 07:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just because his afro is black and the background of the golden record is black. His reflection is underneath the actual record.
:No, his afro is definitely missing. IMO, this one's worth mentioning cause it's not so noticeable and isn't the typical screwed up transformation/alignment that always go with PBTC stuff, but is a distinct oversight (probably intentional). But it'd probably just get deleted again. [[User:65.2.33.109|65.2.33.109]] 06:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Looks to me like the afro is missing, too. Could be a goof, but my bet is it belongs in the [[Rap Song Visuals]] page. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It looks to me like the background is just too dark to reflect it. Either way, it's a the Cheat Flash animation, so such a "goof" can probably be chalked up to his skill or lack thereof.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==Superfluous explanations==

Do we really need to be told what words are portmanteaus? Is this just another example of people needing so badly to put their name on the article that they add obvious information?
:[[portmanteaus]] are a running gag, and should of course be mentioned. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Stow in Crample-O Stow. ==

Is it just me - or is the "STOW" on "Crample-O Stow" another reference to [[Style]]? Think about it. Crample-O contains "Cramp" and "Stow" sounds exactly like a "ghetto" type mutilation of the word "Style". Crample-O Stow is most likely a mangling of "Cramping of Style" or something similar. Someone else can probably pinpoint the actual phrase that's being obscured better than I can. Heck, the Rap Song even contains "You're crampin' my style!". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Actually now I see it on the Style page, though I don't think it's actually "crampin' my style." Oh well. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Cheat's Animation Style ==

Does anyone else think that The Cheat's style of flash animation is becoming more mature with this video? Some of the visuals are really quite well done. Is it worth mentioning?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 11:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really see any difference between this and the older cheat stuff... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::The bulge effect was impressive, but not much else was different from, say, Everybody to the Limit. And the silhouetted dancers aren't that hard to do when working from reference. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 17:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:::However, if you notice, in some parts of the video, Coach Z and Peacey P are drawn with more realistic proportions, actually looking like real people, rather than the usual characters in the H*R universe. At least, I think so.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==Ben Cousins's Tattoo==
This RWR was inexplicably removed, so I re-added it but decided to provide a link here on the talk page to make it painfully obvious that this is a reference. First, I found some pictures of the [http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22384115-5005401,00.html actual tattoo], and for improved legibility, here's a link to show some [http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?satitle=Such+is+Life shirts] designed to match his tattoo. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 14:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:Except, isn't that a common style of tattoo, particularly among rappers? I believe "Thug Life" tattoos are in the same place, shape and font. I don't have the cartoon open to compare it to, though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:2Pac|2Pac]]'s [http://www.thugradio.net/thuglifepacsstomache.jpg thug life tattoo] is in the right shape (though the arc is quite a bit shallower), but wrong font, and it uses an image (a bullet) for one of the letters. Granted, people have immitated 2Pac's tat and gotten closer to the font used in this short, but I doubt TBC was going for a "reference to an immitation of the tattoo of somebody famous". Visually, the "RAP SONG" tattoo is a better match to Ben Cousins's tattoo, although it would make more sense for this to be a parody of a rapper tattoo. So maybe it's TTATOT. And hey, I'm anti-tattoo.. so, while I think the wiki should be accurate, it wouldn't break my heart to see this reference go. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I removed it as TTATOT, though I do think it's really a direct reference to Tupac's. TBC have referenced it twice before, in [[Halloween Fairstival]], and in its corresponding creator's commentary. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 03:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==Three Times One Minus One==
Does anybody else think that the RWR implying this mess refers "to David Cross and Bob Odenkirk's spoof R&B duo 'Three Times One Minus One'" is TTATOT? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 08:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Decidedly '''not a reference'''. Removed. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mumbling ==
Are we sure that it's supposed to be Peacey P at the beginning? It struck me as just some kind of PBTC... sound effect? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 21:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:At first it struck me as a sound effect too, like random "music" or something following Peacey P around, but Coach Z reacts to it as though he's speaking ("I can understand well that's a yes..."), so I think it's actually supposed to be P mumbling or rapping incoherently. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Do his landry ==
Do you suppose TBC chose to mispronounce "laundry" ''specifically'' as "landry", since Tom Landry is a famous ''coach'' of the Dallas Cowboys? -- TJDevil02

:I think that's just what "Laundry" would sound like with Coach Z's accent.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==spelling of the word "crisp"==
I really don't think this is a Crips reference. I think if any allusion is being made, it's the frequent error of saying "aks" instead of "ask".
[[User:171.64.126.37|171.64.126.37]]
:I don't think either of those is a reference. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::I personally think it's a spelling mistake. Period. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

== Dry Toast ==

The first thing Peacey P orders in the diner is a piece of dry toast. Could this possibly refer to Elwood Blues of the Blues Brothers? His signature food was one piece dry white toast. Just a thought.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 01:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:If that was the only thing he ordered, I might agree with you, but he orders more, so I don't think it's relevant. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Rap Song

2007-11-30T13:12:17Z

Gaeamil: /* Do his landry */

==Coach Z Doesn't Sound Like Himself==
Hey!!! did any of you notice that coach z doesnt sound like himself until the rap{{unsigned|67.170.119.144|0:45:18, 2007-11-13}}

:That because it was a powered by the cheat cartoon.{{unsigned|68.210.53.58|0:53:04, 2007-11-12}}
:The Cheat is doing the voices.{{unsigned|75.72.21.221|0:53:29, 2007-11-12}}
:That would be great... I mean [[Mike]]. He tends to do that for those [[Powered by The Cheat]] thingies. But perhaps it should be mentioned in the transcript when it's a PBTC voice and when it's Coach Z's voice. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 01:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::How should it be noted, however? It doesn't look like there is any precedent for dialog in a PBTC voice and then a musical piece with the regular voice. Should {PBTC} noted in front of each line, or note in the description? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd support putting "Powered by the Cheat" or something tothat effect in front of everyone's name until the song starts. The Cheat made an intro on his own, and then made a video to a previously recorded R-A-P S-O-N-G. That's my view of it, at least. [[User:132.161.138.10|132.161.138.10]] 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (I used to have an accoun, but I guess if you use it too infrequently it's DELETED? That's happened to me twice.)
:::I'm pretty sure accounts are only deleted under extreme circumstances. I believe this is the case in most wikis, sometimes for legal reasons as well as technical ones. Here at the HRWiki, I don't think [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ the license] prevents them from deleting accounts (though I'm 1: not a lawyer, and 2: haven't really read the license looking for that kind of thing), but the technical issues here remain the same as anywhere else: If you delete an account, what happens to all of their edits? In any case, knowing what your account names were would help in tracking down the problem, and a [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]] could help you if you brought it to their attention. Well, if it's an account issue, you might just need a [[Special:Listusers/bureaucrat|bureaucrat]]. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 03:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

==Dr. Dre Reference==
I'm glad to see the Dr. Dre "reference" was deleted. I'm sorry I spent the time adding links. Besides that it's a rap song (and rap songs are all alike, right?) I don't see the similarity. And I'm certainly not comfortable with the links because of the profanity in the Wikipedia articles. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm unfamiliar with the song, so I have no clue if there's any hidden references to it in this toon. I removed it because... well, I think facts that say "there is a reference to whatever" without saying what, exactly, the reference *is*, are essentially useless. They more or less expect you to *know*, which not everyone does. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Incorrect reference for Mix Tape==
I think the fun fact is grabbing the wrong part of the Wikipedia entry for "mix tape." This 'toon is definitely referring to the Hip Hop definition of mix tape, more like a demo than a home-made sample of other people's tracks.

From wikipedia:
"Often each track on a promotional hip hop mixtape will feature the same artist, thus making it more difficult to differentiate from the definition of a standard album. However, these mixtapes will usually have much lower production values than a studio album (such as housing "Demo" versions of tracks, or simply un-mastered/un-mixed versions of the tracks), and contain numerous collaborations, remixes, freestyles and voice-overs, often arranged in a specific flowing fashion, much like retail albums are."
--[[User:24.188.228.33|24.188.228.33]] 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

...Oh jeez. You're probably right. --[[User:Duck Secks|Duck Secks]] 02:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==New Math==

<blockquote>
*"My name is [[Tenerence Love]]" actually equals <math>Tenerence Love + 1</math> by order of operations, not <math>Tenerence Love remainder 3</math> as stated.
**Additionally, if the equation is interpreted as <math>(My name is Tenerence Love + My Name is Tenerence Love) / My name is Tenerence Love </math>, it should equal two, by factoring.
</blockquote>

...so, we're debating the mathematical formula behind what're basically nonsensical lyrics? As I said in the edit summary when I removed these, this seems to be talk page material and nothing more. Anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::I was about to say the same thing. They're FUN facts, people. Who honestly cares whether or not it would be remainder three or the square root of piemonade???? I vote DELORTED!!--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Edit: oh, it already was delorted. Too little too late.
Keep it civil. I actually found this very interesting and worked it out for myself. ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' = –1 if you perform the addition before the division; otherwise it is undefined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not saying it's not *true* or anything... I think it's great talk page material, but trying to analyze a nonsensical "math problem" in a comical rap song seems... a bit odd, IMO. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... I guess I hear the maths differently to you guys... I hear it as (abbreviating ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' as <math>x</math> for readability): <math>\frac{x+x}x = x\mbox{ r}3</math>, that is: <math>\frac{x+x}x = x + \frac 3 x</math> which solves to <math>x=1 \plusmn \sqrt 2 i\,</math>. Of course, this has problems, as the "remainder" thingy usually only makes sense when you're dealing with integers, not complex numbers... but it's a reasonable extension. Anyways, the order-of-operations reading, <math>x+\frac x x=x\mbox{ r}3</math>, makes even less sense, since the division has to be the last step for the remainder thing to make sense. Also, I'm with YK here... precedent is that pointless mathematical overanalysis, however fun, belongs on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard that and thought of a quadratic equation. I'm tempted to claim this is an IR to Virus ("Did the quadratic formula explode?" -SB) but that's... um... unlikely. At best. It could also be a nod to the old Bogus Mathematical Theorems, but I doubt that as well. Anyway, for the record, even though it makes no sense to state the equation with a remainder using the order of operations reading, you can still solve it for ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove''. It's 3. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To anyone who wants this in the article: Y'all buscuitheads, you remind me of ''[[Wikipedia:A Beautiful Mind (film)|A Beautiful Mind]]'' — "finding" meaning in the meaningless. Rondleman, you crack me up. Crack! Me! Up! (P.S. I <s>hated</s> strongly disliked ''A Beautiful Mind''.) Whew, I get ornery at 1:00 in the morning! I do have to say, "the square root of piemonade" made me laugh. Thanks for that, Nevadie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just a parody of the fact that he said "plus" in the second line, which can mean adding in the grammatical sense or in the mathematical sense. It's called poetic license. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Awexome. Poetic license and all that. Oh, and dot com, I wasn't being uncivil. Only sarcastic.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Finding meaning in the meaningless"? Isn't that the whole point of this wiki? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:The equation is impossible, given the "remainder 3" part that you all seem to be ignoring, order of operations, there's no way to have a remainder three in such a case, and order given, there's no remainder at all. This is not a real equation, it's impossible to solve, and we shouldn't even try. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The equation, performed in the stated order, is perfectly solvable if you think of it as a quadratic equation and treat "MyNameIsTeneranceLove" as a variable (say, X). The "remainder 3" would then be "X remainder 3," which is just another way of saying "X plus 3 over X." Phlip explained this quite adequately. If you take the order of operations into account, the equation is even easier to solve. It's first year algebra, and X ends up equaling 3. Sompm's HS math teacher explains this one below, and it's pointed out (sans explanation) above. The fact that it really makes no sense to use a remainder in this kind of equation, and that you wouldn't actually encounter such a problem (either version) in real life, does not make it "impossible to solve." We've solved it. Both versions. Several times. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor <math>(\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1})</math>. It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only [[Tenerence Love]] could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

I ran it by my highshool math teacher mother, and we came up with this: according to the order of oprations, we divide x by x first, to get one, so it's x+1 = xR3, and because the fraction of the division is the remainder over the denominator so it's x+1=x+3/x. if x is 3, the x+1=x+1.
in short, "my name is tenerence love" is 3. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anony ties lowercase i's in: [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
"*Solving (Tenerence Love + Tenerence Love)/Tenerence Love = Tenerence Love remainder 3 yields Tenerence Love = 1+i√2 or 1-i√2. This is another instance of [[lowercase i's]]."

A slight correction for Dagron:
When you plug 1-i√2 back into the equation, you get 0 = 4i√2. If you write out the equation as you did, only 1+i√2 correctly solves for Tenerence Love. This, of course, ignores that when it is calculated by the ordinary order of operations (as was pointed out by Sompm and the math-teach-mommy), the answer is just 3.

but didn't he say "equals tenayeaaarence love!"?? so it's a whole different integer! x+x/x='''Y'''R3! no problems! [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

:An instance of Lowercase i's. From the solution to a fake math problem. That may well be the best stretch ever. Even better than the Iron Sheik/Iron Cheek/Buns of Steel connection and the Eggs/Organic Batteries/"Eggs Not A Fruit" connection. I love it. (Ok, ok, forgive the blatant sarcasm, but this is just too funny. =P) -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we get it; some people don't think math is fun. We don't need those of you in that category to stomp all over our fun. In regards to the different interpretations of the formula, it seems that the most viable one is the one represented VISUALLY in the rap song itself. We don't just have a spoken word, we have a text as well, which should clear up all ambiguity. -TheHat 03:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed all this was going on when I added that comment again myself. Sorry. [[User:162.84.76.224|162.84.76.224]] 02:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I just gotta say, I was also thinking about the math of this. And to all of y'all who think it's weird or strange, there are those of us who find math interesting. I myself am an engineering student. If if it wasn't people like us, the computer connected to the internet and running on the outlet power that you're using wouldn't be at all possible. -Eaglescout1984 02:38 19 November 2007 (GMT)

== warsh ==

I'm not sure if anyone cares, and I'm sure it doesn't belong in the article anywhere, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that in some areas of Eastern Canada, especially [[wikipedia:Prince Edward Island|PEI]], pronouncing the word "wash" as "warsh" is actually part of a regional accent. I used to live in that region, and almost nobody my age ever said it like that, but a lot of us had parents who did. Also common around there is saying "slippy" instead of "slippery", and saying the word "barrel" in such a way that it sort of rhymes with "Carl". - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:Warsh is also a common pronunciation of wash in Kentucky and some areas further south. Unusual that it makes the long leap up to Canada and skips over everything in between. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::As interesting as that is, I don't think it has anything to do with Coach Z's pronounciation of the word. He simply pronounces all words like that, and the majority of them do not sound similar to any other accent in any region. (For example, Port = Putt. What?) {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 10:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::If I recall, Coach Z was originally intended to have a sort of US midlands accent that quickly began to devolve and get weird, until it's really just replacing some sounds with "or" and "ar" sounds. Now it doesn't really resemble any sort of language at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My grandma (born and raised in Minnesota) has always said "warsh" .. I'll bet it's a reference to her! Will someone please add this to the article: '''"Wash" being spelled as "warsh" is a reference to [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]]'s grandma who has always pronounced it that way."''' By the way, it's not Coach Z's pronunciation we should be talking about here; The Cheat is responsible for the word "warsh" .. not Coach Z. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::My Hoosier relatives have been know to say "worsh" and/or "warsh" on occasion. Say, aren't TBC from Indiana? --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 21:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Wash was also spelled and pronounced as "worsh" in 20X6 vs. 1936. Perhaps it's a referance to that too! Personally, I feel it's a TTAOT. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Anthropomorphic Egg==
When I saw the egg chasing after Peacy P's limo/waffle house, my first thought was that it was supposed to be one of the villains from Data East's [[Wikipedia:Burgertime|Burgertime]], but a quick check of the box art shows that the egg didn't wear a domino mask as portrayed here. Is this a ''Burgertime'' reference despite the cosmetic difference, or is the significance of the egg relevant to something else? [[User: Nekouken|Nekouken]]
:Dude, it's breakfast, and it's walking. Some things in these cartoons are just silly for the sake of silly, not everything is a reference to something and/or has a hidden meaning. - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did notice one thing about the '''EGG'''. And that is that the '''EGG''' appears to be holding a gun, and also the '''EGG''' has legs, and an animation (running) that seams almost Identical to that game on H*R where you shoot each other, have the same style leggs as this '''EGG''' and run the same way the '''EGG''' does in this video. I think the game was called "Where's an..." Damn! I forgot the last word of the title... [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Nate Dogg==

I believe that Tenerence Love is 'sposed to sound like Nate Dogg. And also "It don't stop" is something that alot of rappers (especially Snoop Dogg) says. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Tenerence Love wearing a donut reminded me of Luther Vandross and his infamous diet, but I don't necessarily think that's a reference, either. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 13:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rap Song Visuals ==

Someone needs to write a separate article for the video's visuals (I don't know if I have time to do it) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Fast Food Freestyle==
This supposed RWR ("Peacey P places an order for food much like in the video "Fast Food Freestyle" on Youtube.") needs some discussing, methinks. Pretty funny video, and similar, but sometimes there's an overlap in ideas that TBC may think are original but that have been done before. Is it a reference? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd have to say TTATOT. It's just another random thing they do. Ordering breakfast in the middle of a rap song.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Peacey P ==

...is the abbreviation PCP, which can mean a lot of things ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP]), but probably Phencyclidine. This would make it another drug reference. --[[User:91.97.14.14|91.97.14.14]] 16:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:See his character page. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 18:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Coach Z's accessories==
If you may notice, Coach Z's hat and Z change during the toon. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's because The <strike>Chort</strike> Cheat isn't a very good Flash animator. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==I don't even know who's song this is==

Is that part a reference to the reputation of rap songs sampling other songs without permission? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I took it as him admitting that he works with so many other rappers that he can't even keep track of whose song he's in at the moment.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::What about the "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Yes Yes, Yall ==

reference to the Will Smith song? most likely a coincidence, but i immediately thought of the Will Smith song Yes, Yes Yall (i think that's what it's called). whatchyall think? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 20:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==The end distortion==

When the picture is distorted at the end, the singers sound nauseated. I don't remember this originally. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Sterrance in background of last section? ==

Take a look at the last section of the rap song when Tenerance Love is flying by on a doughnut. What is that pink thing on the right? It vaguely reminds me of [[Sterrance]] from [[animal]] but it's a bit off. Any ideas? --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hated to remove this from the page, but it's actually the running Egg from the breakfast. Y'all biscuitheads! -- → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, obviously :^P Don't worry about it, I never actually added this to the page before I put it here, so someone must have been overly ambitious. --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 05:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Waffle House ==

Does the explaination of what Waffle House is (Since it's where Peacey orders breakfast, though named differently) seem worth including on the page? Also, can anyone tell what name is scribbled on the top of his order? → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The name looks to be "_est Chef" with the blank being unreadable (to me) but I assume it's "Best Chef". Nothing there, I guess. Interesting though that "Tos" for "Toast" is there, when previously it was "Toz" for "Toes". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Noteworthy "pseudo-goofs?" ==

I'm surprised no one's made mention of a few "pseudo-goofs":

* At the words "come to do his landry," Coach Z briefly appears to have two left forearms.

* After Coach Z asks if he can record on new album, Peacey-P's body clearly disconnects from his head.

* Coach Z's left eye briefly pops out of his head at the words "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"

* When singing, Tenerance Love's moustache and goatee occasionally overlap his microphone.

These are obviously not honest goofs, but they stand out as exceptional even considering The Cheat's usual two-years-old-boy style. Worth adding to "Remarks?" [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:They *have* been mentioned, repeatedly. They just keep getting removed, because we don't point out The Cheat's "goofs". The "feauring" thing is an exception because that appears to be an honest typo. It's correct the other two times, and Teh C doesn't have a history of typoes or misspellings. -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I thought we normally put PbTC "goofs" under Remarks. I know for a fact we've done it before (in [[animal]], for example). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Granted I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any PbTC "goofs" listed in the Remarks section of [[animal]]. You sure that's the one meant? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I know there was something in there at one point... About how objects pass overtop the christmas lights, but under the fanglyfish... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I feel that these pseudo-goofs do deserve some merit. I didn't see the first and third pseudo-goofs, and I found them interesting. I feel they should go under the "remarks" section. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Agreed, they probably should go *somewhere* in the fun facts, but given the sheer number of them, it seems like they'd just clutter the Remarks section... Perhaps a new subsection for PbTC toons? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds good. Maybe it could be a subsection of goofs. (Call it PbTC goofs or something). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The notion of making a sub-section for this type of content seems quite warranted, especially if such things keep getting added and deleted. My feeling is that if TBC went through the trouble of glitching up PbTC segments, it's worth documenting. "PbTC Goofs" or "PbTC Style" seem good to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe these should go in [[Rap Song Visuals]], if anywhere. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== "I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz" visual ==

I noticed that visual where Peacey P is rapping in front of his golden record, all but his afro is reflected.
:Another psuedo-goof? (See above). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 07:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just because his afro is black and the background of the golden record is black. His reflection is underneath the actual record.
:No, his afro is definitely missing. IMO, this one's worth mentioning cause it's not so noticeable and isn't the typical screwed up transformation/alignment that always go with PBTC stuff, but is a distinct oversight (probably intentional). But it'd probably just get deleted again. [[User:65.2.33.109|65.2.33.109]] 06:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Looks to me like the afro is missing, too. Could be a goof, but my bet is it belongs in the [[Rap Song Visuals]] page. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It looks to me like the background is just too dark to reflect it. Either way, it's a the Cheat Flash animation, so such a "goof" can probably be chalked up to his skill or lack thereof.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==Superfluous explanations==

Do we really need to be told what words are portmanteaus? Is this just another example of people needing so badly to put their name on the article that they add obvious information?
:[[portmanteaus]] are a running gag, and should of course be mentioned. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Stow in Crample-O Stow. ==

Is it just me - or is the "STOW" on "Crample-O Stow" another reference to [[Style]]? Think about it. Crample-O contains "Cramp" and "Stow" sounds exactly like a "ghetto" type mutilation of the word "Style". Crample-O Stow is most likely a mangling of "Cramping of Style" or something similar. Someone else can probably pinpoint the actual phrase that's being obscured better than I can. Heck, the Rap Song even contains "You're crampin' my style!". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Actually now I see it on the Style page, though I don't think it's actually "crampin' my style." Oh well. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Cheat's Animation Style ==

Does anyone else think that The Cheat's style of flash animation is becoming more mature with this video? Some of the visuals are really quite well done. Is it worth mentioning?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 11:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really see any difference between this and the older cheat stuff... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::The bulge effect was impressive, but not much else was different from, say, Everybody to the Limit. And the silhouetted dancers aren't that hard to do when working from reference. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 17:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

==Ben Cousins's Tattoo==
This RWR was inexplicably removed, so I re-added it but decided to provide a link here on the talk page to make it painfully obvious that this is a reference. First, I found some pictures of the [http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22384115-5005401,00.html actual tattoo], and for improved legibility, here's a link to show some [http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?satitle=Such+is+Life shirts] designed to match his tattoo. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 14:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:Except, isn't that a common style of tattoo, particularly among rappers? I believe "Thug Life" tattoos are in the same place, shape and font. I don't have the cartoon open to compare it to, though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:2Pac|2Pac]]'s [http://www.thugradio.net/thuglifepacsstomache.jpg thug life tattoo] is in the right shape (though the arc is quite a bit shallower), but wrong font, and it uses an image (a bullet) for one of the letters. Granted, people have immitated 2Pac's tat and gotten closer to the font used in this short, but I doubt TBC was going for a "reference to an immitation of the tattoo of somebody famous". Visually, the "RAP SONG" tattoo is a better match to Ben Cousins's tattoo, although it would make more sense for this to be a parody of a rapper tattoo. So maybe it's TTATOT. And hey, I'm anti-tattoo.. so, while I think the wiki should be accurate, it wouldn't break my heart to see this reference go. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I removed it as TTATOT, though I do think it's really a direct reference to Tupac's. TBC have referenced it twice before, in [[Halloween Fairstival]], and in its corresponding creator's commentary. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 03:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==Three Times One Minus One==
Does anybody else think that the RWR implying this mess refers "to David Cross and Bob Odenkirk's spoof R&B duo 'Three Times One Minus One'" is TTATOT? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 08:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Decidedly '''not a reference'''. Removed. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mumbling ==
Are we sure that it's supposed to be Peacey P at the beginning? It struck me as just some kind of PBTC... sound effect? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 21:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:At first it struck me as a sound effect too, like random "music" or something following Peacey P around, but Coach Z reacts to it as though he's speaking ("I can understand well that's a yes..."), so I think it's actually supposed to be P mumbling or rapping incoherently. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Do his landry ==
Do you suppose TBC chose to mispronounce "laundry" ''specifically'' as "landry", since Tom Landry is a famous ''coach'' of the Dallas Cowboys? -- TJDevil02

:I think that's just what "Laundry" would sound like with Coach Z's accent.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==spelling of the word "crisp"==
I really don't think this is a Crips reference. I think if any allusion is being made, it's the frequent error of saying "aks" instead of "ask".
[[User:171.64.126.37|171.64.126.37]]
:I don't think either of those is a reference. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::I personally think it's a spelling mistake. Period. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

== Dry Toast ==

The first thing Peacey P orders in the diner is a piece of dry toast. Could this possibly refer to Elwood Blues of the Blues Brothers? His signature food was one piece dry white toast. Just a thought.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 01:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:If that was the only thing he ordered, I might agree with you, but he orders more, so I don't think it's relevant. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:yes, wrestling

2007-11-30T12:49:55Z

Gaeamil: /* Foreign object bros. */

== "Real" wrestlers ==
Spiky Shoulderpads are possibly parodying the Road Warriors or the Legion of Doom.
The "Facepaint connection" directly parodies Demolition, including the Mr. Fuji-esque manager.
Jack 'em Up kid's outfit is similar to the Junkyard dog, but talks more like Hulk Hogan.
Boliver Turnbunkler may refer to William Regal.
--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 22:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I agree with the Road Warriors. I don't even know wrestling (like, at all), and I thought of it. (I probably remember some wrestling game review in Nintendo Power...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Threw in the Road Warriors as well as specific jabs at Hulk Hogan. I don't know if the "EM UP" on the back of Homestar's tights is similar enough to "THUMP" on the back of JYD's to merit inclusion. And by the way, I've been watching wrestling for 20 years -- this email is downright hilarious. --[[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
::The out-of-breath three-words-at-a-time ranting is classic, isn't it? But anyway, I think "EM UP" to "THUMP" would get rejected hard around here, unless you can show that the location/lettering is similar. I haven't seen this, and couldn't find an image of it quickly. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, [http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/04/andre.jpg JYD's THUMP] was just written in a plain sans-serif font, and it didn't go in an arch either. And maybe it's just me, but I think the Facepaint Connection's blue/gray/black color scheme looks more like the Powers of Pain than the Demos. Mr. Fuji managed both, right? --[[User:68.214.209.69|68.214.209.69]] 07:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::You're right, he did. It's worth examining more, especially since I forgot the PoP wore facepaint. They dropped it after they were split up in 1990.

== Missed an Easter egg. ==

don't miss the jack 'em up kid merch easter egg by clicking on the S behind said kid in interview {{User:TheDude/sig}} 22:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

<nowiki>Click on the Big S during Homestarrunner interview to see souvenirs </nowiki>

*Why are you mentioning it here? Just add it next time you see something like that. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== We HAVE seen his moves... some of them anyway (oh, and grammar error) ==

I don't wanna go adding anything to this article about it as I don't know the proper names, but we saw SB perform a suplex and a piledriver in sibbie... my wrestling knowledge isn't good enough to know what kind they were, so I'll leave it up to someone more in the know :) [[User:Psi|Psi]] 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Oh yeah, and I don't think"Dear awesome Strong Bad." is actually a sentence, as it does not contain a verb, despite SB's remark.
: On the "PS", of course it isn't. However, "Dear Strong Bad" '''SHOULD''' end in a comma, not a period. It's just Strong Bad mocking the writer's grammar like always. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

: Strong Bad was also taxidoimied suplexing a cougar in funeral.[[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 00:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The moves in sibbie are a jumping piledriver and a standing suplex, I believe. The Suplex might be a snap suplex, but I can't tell.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:He also does some sort of elbow drop in [[lady...ing]]. (And some sort of helicopter-sounding Samus-esque spin attack...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Top Rope Elbow Drop, and the spinning attack looks like a crazy variation of a front dropkick. I'm going to register later, probably.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 06:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:Registered, and that IS a front dropkick variation.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 06:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Another grammar error ==

When SB types "dinosaur tranquilizer fueled ranting and raving" (misspelling "fueled" as "feuled" on the screen), shouldn't it be hyphenated as "dinosaur-tranquilizer-fueled?" I know at least "tranquilizer-fueled" is.
:Technically, yes, you are correct. That kind of modifier should be hyphenated.[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
== Fo' Sizzle ==

I'm thinking it's Sizzleweight. The emblem on the belt shows bacon and a fried egg.. sizzling? Although it does sound like ''Strong Bad'' says it "Fizzle" .. but maybe that's just him mocking Homestar.. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:In this case, I just picked whatever I thought I heard, since it wasn't very distinct. I can see "sizzleweight" being right now that you mention it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::I keep hearing "thistleweight", but i guess "sizzle" makes more sense... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Jackemettes ==

I think comparing this to "Juggalo" is a bit much of a stretch. I admit this may be partially due to a strong dislike of ICP. [[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 00:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
*I have friends in a wrestling troupe who wrestle in Juggalo/Juggalette style, so I don't think it's much of a stretch. I think we should at least acknowledge the Juggalette/Jackemette similarity. [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|Taranch-V15]]
:This 'similarity' is a forced coincidence at best. I see no reason to include it. Of course, I just had my History of Tudor/Stuart England class today, so I heard Jack-emite as being extremely similar to Jacobite. I suppose that gives us a This and a That...can anyone provide an Other Thing?[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 07:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Vegemite!
::It's probably too flimsy to survive STUFFing, but I also felt like the similarity to "Jacobites" was intentional, if bizarre. For the unfamiliar, it is indeed pronounced "JACK-uh-bite", not "JAY-kuh-bite". --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
*Juggalettes are related to wrestling. Jacobites are related to those who followed the belief of the illegitimacy of parliamentary interference with monarchical succession. If you're going to argue against something, at least keep it on topic. [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|Taranch-V15]]

== Poo Yeah? ==

I don't hear a "P" sound. It's more like "Hoo Yeah" or "Who Yeah" [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 00:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I hear "hoo yeah" as well. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''hoo''', this ain't no [[Important Rap Song]] here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, '''"Hoo, yeah!"''' Well, I like the comma in there, but I might be outnumbered. But it ain't .. the other thing .. that I can't even bring myself to type. I don't like that word. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It's probably "Boo Yeah". I think that would be a portmanteau of "Boo Yah" and "Oh Yeah". {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 03:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I also think that it sounds more like "Hoo Yeah". "Poo yeah", lol. Maybe if they were wrestling in a bathroom.--[[User:Ava|Ava]] 02:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:Gross. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:If it's Hoo Yeah, it could be considered a parody of the Miz's Hoorah.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==C'mon Guys, Seriously==

It's about time we made the KOT booing off screen a running gag. Hes done it like, 8 times man! {{unsigned|68.53.87.6| 00:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)}}
:You mean [[The King of Town Booing]]? That was created a couple hours before you posted this? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Singers ==

I can hear the Thnikkaman singers, but it sounds like they're being accompanied by Crackotage. Anyone else hear this? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]

:If you mean for il Cartographer and Gardenboy, then yes, I do. --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fear and Loathing? ==

Is it just me or do Strong Bad and Strong Mad's getups as "The Wild Vacationers" recall Raoul Duke and Dr. Gonzo from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (who are memorably Wild in their Vacationing). Shouldn't this go in Real World references? [[User:Cheesechimp|Cheesechimp]] 04:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:no

== In SBEmail menu but not New Stuff ==

This isn't listed in the 'New Stuff' section. I'm not sure whether it's a remark or a goof. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 10:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
: Yes, it is. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::hmm, so it is now. Oh well. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]]
:::It was probably just your cache. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Foreign object bros. ==

Could this possibly be a reference to the super mario bros.? I'm sure I'm wrong, but this is the first thing I thought of when I saw it.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:How? Just because they both use "Brothers" in their name? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::I said I was probably wrong......don't sound annoyed.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:::Don't be so defensive. He was asking you to clarify.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 21:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh.....I can't.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:::::I feel dumb now.......-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
::::::Actually, from my standpoint, it seems like a connection to the hammer bros.... Or maybe ECW hardcore matches, since wrestlers occasionally brought weapons down to the ring.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, and I even think they had a hammer. [[User:76.173.92.70|76.173.92.70]] 05:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Or a referance to Regal, when he hid brass knuckles in his trunks. They were usually pulled out and used to win matches.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I thought of the hammer bros. first thing when i saw it, but i think it's too much of a stretch to be a real reference. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, it is, but I don't think Regal or the hardcore comparisions are a stretch.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 14:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I think that anything is a stretch here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::But, it is a reference to all the 'brother' teams in wrestling, like team 3D, Hardyz, Briscoes, and Harlem Heat. [[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 15:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Omg, it's a reference to the Steiners. At least, the costume and name is. SB's even wearing the headgear, sans earmuffs, but SB has no ears or the mask covers them up.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

On a different note, can anyone tell what the other object Strong Bad has is? It kinda looks like a blunt to me, but it's too big and round. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

:If you ask me, it looks like a huge marijuana joint. I know there's another word for that, but I don't know it. Anyway, I ran it just looking for that, and is seems to be about the right length, and wrapped in white paper... --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad and Strong Mad's Wrestling Teams ==

I'm thinking we should make a seperate page describing the identities that Strong Bad and Strong Mad use as their wresting teams. Any thoughts? {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 21:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Gardon Boy ==

"Garden Boy is a reference to Nature Boy". I'm not sure about this. Garden Boy could reference anything, even a Garden Freak. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:You know what that means, kids, time for a STUFF! [[User:76.173.92.70|76.173.92.70]] 00:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::First, Kids? Second, let's wait. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Wait, why are we bringing this to the talk page? It's the SENDER'S NAME! It could be Pulk Pogan and we wouldn't say it's a reference to Hulk Hogan; we don't care about senders. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, sometimes we care if it's exceptionally notable and clear-cut to do so. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::We're not perfect at guessing TBC's references, so why start guessing the references intended by e-mail senders? O_o It could simply be the guy's usual screen name. He could be a gardener. Heck, it could just be entirely random. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 19:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's pronunciation ==

It sounds to me like the way Strong Sad delivers his last line is in, like, a faux french accent. Is that notable for this page? Further, it seems like he has a tendency to do this (like "chap au fan" or whatever in funeral, for example, I think there are others..) Should that be a running gag/page?mention somewhere/etc? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:[[Foreign Words]]? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Hmm, maybe.. I see that his pronunciation of chaperone is indeed on there. But some things don't seem to fit, like this one where he's not actually saying a foreign word, just adding a foreign accent. Which is why I was thinkin' it might be appropriate for a page in its own right... [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, yeah.... we apparently have a page on [[French]]... so between the two, bases are probably covered.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 06:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Seeing as how il is Italian for "the", he's portraying a fake Italian accent. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Under the neckline ==

I added this fact:
<blockquote>*This is the first time that Homestar's body under the neckline is shown uncensored.</blockquote>
It was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=yes%2C_wrestling&diff=522628&oldid=522612 removed] by [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] with the summary "Is this true? Forgive me if so, but I was almost certain it was not.". Before adding the fact I first checked in [[Homestar Runner Other Costumes]] and the most bare he was was with V-neck costumes like [[:Image:HR poncho.PNG|this one]]. The Jack 'Em Up Kid is bare all over and I think this is worth mentioning. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:I was sure of it also, and was gonna revert straight away but decided not to since maybe there's something that i missed, however, seeing this post here, i have since reverted it, that fact is back on the page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::So, I think the one I'm thinking of is the deleted scene from Yellow Dello. He's definitely naked below the neck and there's no pixelation, but it's from the back, so I dunno if that's different. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Edit to clarify: So is it different enough that I shouldn't take it out again? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I think this is a valid fact. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==Cinnamon Dots==

I count seventeen cinnamon dots on Homestar. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 23:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Jack'em up Kid ==

Might the Jack'em up kid be a spin on the 1-2-3 Kid, Sean Waltman (Syxx, X-Pac, and Syxx-Pac) back in classic WWF? the name and the full body singlet are a dead give away. [[Image:http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/x/xpac/09.jpg]]

== Singers ==

''The singers for Strong Sad's entrance music are the same singers for the Thnikkaman's theme song.'' That fact seems a bit dubious to me. How do we know that they're the same? They don't sound exactly the same to me (plus there's the male sounding name). Anyway, my point is I don't see any way to confirm/verify this "fact". [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Francais ==

Should we say something about what "il-est" means in French? ("It/he is") Seems like something that would go in one of the categories. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think it was a play on "il Cartographer" and "illest"... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:yes, wrestling

2007-11-30T12:47:47Z

Gaeamil: /* Singers */

== "Real" wrestlers ==
Spiky Shoulderpads are possibly parodying the Road Warriors or the Legion of Doom.
The "Facepaint connection" directly parodies Demolition, including the Mr. Fuji-esque manager.
Jack 'em Up kid's outfit is similar to the Junkyard dog, but talks more like Hulk Hogan.
Boliver Turnbunkler may refer to William Regal.
--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 22:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:I agree with the Road Warriors. I don't even know wrestling (like, at all), and I thought of it. (I probably remember some wrestling game review in Nintendo Power...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:Threw in the Road Warriors as well as specific jabs at Hulk Hogan. I don't know if the "EM UP" on the back of Homestar's tights is similar enough to "THUMP" on the back of JYD's to merit inclusion. And by the way, I've been watching wrestling for 20 years -- this email is downright hilarious. --[[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]
::The out-of-breath three-words-at-a-time ranting is classic, isn't it? But anyway, I think "EM UP" to "THUMP" would get rejected hard around here, unless you can show that the location/lettering is similar. I haven't seen this, and couldn't find an image of it quickly. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, [http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/04/andre.jpg JYD's THUMP] was just written in a plain sans-serif font, and it didn't go in an arch either. And maybe it's just me, but I think the Facepaint Connection's blue/gray/black color scheme looks more like the Powers of Pain than the Demos. Mr. Fuji managed both, right? --[[User:68.214.209.69|68.214.209.69]] 07:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::You're right, he did. It's worth examining more, especially since I forgot the PoP wore facepaint. They dropped it after they were split up in 1990.

== Missed an Easter egg. ==

don't miss the jack 'em up kid merch easter egg by clicking on the S behind said kid in interview {{User:TheDude/sig}} 22:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

<nowiki>Click on the Big S during Homestarrunner interview to see souvenirs </nowiki>

*Why are you mentioning it here? Just add it next time you see something like that. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== We HAVE seen his moves... some of them anyway (oh, and grammar error) ==

I don't wanna go adding anything to this article about it as I don't know the proper names, but we saw SB perform a suplex and a piledriver in sibbie... my wrestling knowledge isn't good enough to know what kind they were, so I'll leave it up to someone more in the know :) [[User:Psi|Psi]] 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Oh yeah, and I don't think"Dear awesome Strong Bad." is actually a sentence, as it does not contain a verb, despite SB's remark.
: On the "PS", of course it isn't. However, "Dear Strong Bad" '''SHOULD''' end in a comma, not a period. It's just Strong Bad mocking the writer's grammar like always. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

: Strong Bad was also taxidoimied suplexing a cougar in funeral.[[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 00:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

The moves in sibbie are a jumping piledriver and a standing suplex, I believe. The Suplex might be a snap suplex, but I can't tell.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:He also does some sort of elbow drop in [[lady...ing]]. (And some sort of helicopter-sounding Samus-esque spin attack...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Top Rope Elbow Drop, and the spinning attack looks like a crazy variation of a front dropkick. I'm going to register later, probably.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 06:02, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:Registered, and that IS a front dropkick variation.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 06:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Another grammar error ==

When SB types "dinosaur tranquilizer fueled ranting and raving" (misspelling "fueled" as "feuled" on the screen), shouldn't it be hyphenated as "dinosaur-tranquilizer-fueled?" I know at least "tranquilizer-fueled" is.
:Technically, yes, you are correct. That kind of modifier should be hyphenated.[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
== Fo' Sizzle ==

I'm thinking it's Sizzleweight. The emblem on the belt shows bacon and a fried egg.. sizzling? Although it does sound like ''Strong Bad'' says it "Fizzle" .. but maybe that's just him mocking Homestar.. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:In this case, I just picked whatever I thought I heard, since it wasn't very distinct. I can see "sizzleweight" being right now that you mention it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::I keep hearing "thistleweight", but i guess "sizzle" makes more sense... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Jackemettes ==

I think comparing this to "Juggalo" is a bit much of a stretch. I admit this may be partially due to a strong dislike of ICP. [[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 00:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
*I have friends in a wrestling troupe who wrestle in Juggalo/Juggalette style, so I don't think it's much of a stretch. I think we should at least acknowledge the Juggalette/Jackemette similarity. [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|Taranch-V15]]
:This 'similarity' is a forced coincidence at best. I see no reason to include it. Of course, I just had my History of Tudor/Stuart England class today, so I heard Jack-emite as being extremely similar to Jacobite. I suppose that gives us a This and a That...can anyone provide an Other Thing?[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 07:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::Vegemite!
::It's probably too flimsy to survive STUFFing, but I also felt like the similarity to "Jacobites" was intentional, if bizarre. For the unfamiliar, it is indeed pronounced "JACK-uh-bite", not "JAY-kuh-bite". --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
*Juggalettes are related to wrestling. Jacobites are related to those who followed the belief of the illegitimacy of parliamentary interference with monarchical succession. If you're going to argue against something, at least keep it on topic. [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|Taranch-V15]]

== Poo Yeah? ==

I don't hear a "P" sound. It's more like "Hoo Yeah" or "Who Yeah" [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 00:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:I hear "hoo yeah" as well. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''hoo''', this ain't no [[Important Rap Song]] here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, '''"Hoo, yeah!"''' Well, I like the comma in there, but I might be outnumbered. But it ain't .. the other thing .. that I can't even bring myself to type. I don't like that word. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It's probably "Boo Yeah". I think that would be a portmanteau of "Boo Yah" and "Oh Yeah". {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 03:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I also think that it sounds more like "Hoo Yeah". "Poo yeah", lol. Maybe if they were wrestling in a bathroom.--[[User:Ava|Ava]] 02:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:Gross. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:If it's Hoo Yeah, it could be considered a parody of the Miz's Hoorah.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

==C'mon Guys, Seriously==

It's about time we made the KOT booing off screen a running gag. Hes done it like, 8 times man! {{unsigned|68.53.87.6| 00:57, 28 November 2007 (UTC)}}
:You mean [[The King of Town Booing]]? That was created a couple hours before you posted this? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Singers ==

I can hear the Thnikkaman singers, but it sounds like they're being accompanied by Crackotage. Anyone else hear this? -- [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]

:If you mean for il Cartographer and Gardenboy, then yes, I do. --[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 12:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fear and Loathing? ==

Is it just me or do Strong Bad and Strong Mad's getups as "The Wild Vacationers" recall Raoul Duke and Dr. Gonzo from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (who are memorably Wild in their Vacationing). Shouldn't this go in Real World references? [[User:Cheesechimp|Cheesechimp]] 04:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
:no

== In SBEmail menu but not New Stuff ==

This isn't listed in the 'New Stuff' section. I'm not sure whether it's a remark or a goof. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 10:06, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
: Yes, it is. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::hmm, so it is now. Oh well. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]]
:::It was probably just your cache. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Foreign object bros. ==

Could this possibly be a reference to the super mario bros.? I'm sure I'm wrong, but this is the first thing I thought of when I saw it.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:How? Just because they both use "Brothers" in their name? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::I said I was probably wrong......don't sound annoyed.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:::Don't be so defensive. He was asking you to clarify.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 21:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Oh.....I can't.-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
:::::I feel dumb now.......-[[User:AWMPSCE|AWMPSCE]]
::::::Actually, from my standpoint, it seems like a connection to the hammer bros.... Or maybe ECW hardcore matches, since wrestlers occasionally brought weapons down to the ring.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, and I even think they had a hammer. [[User:76.173.92.70|76.173.92.70]] 05:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Or a referance to Regal, when he hid brass knuckles in his trunks. They were usually pulled out and used to win matches.[[User:12.216.87.36|12.216.87.36]] 05:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I thought of the hammer bros. first thing when i saw it, but i think it's too much of a stretch to be a real reference. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, it is, but I don't think Regal or the hardcore comparisions are a stretch.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 14:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::I think that anything is a stretch here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::But, it is a reference to all the 'brother' teams in wrestling, like team 3D, Hardyz, Briscoes, and Harlem Heat. [[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 15:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Omg, it's a reference to the Steiners. At least, the costume and name is. SB's even wearing the headgear, sans earmuffs, but SB has no ears or the mask covers them up.[[User:Tommyspud|Tommyspud]] 03:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

On a different note, can anyone tell what the other object Strong Bad has is? It kinda looks like a blunt to me, but it's too big and round. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:15, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad and Strong Mad's Wrestling Teams ==

I'm thinking we should make a seperate page describing the identities that Strong Bad and Strong Mad use as their wresting teams. Any thoughts? {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 21:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Gardon Boy ==

"Garden Boy is a reference to Nature Boy". I'm not sure about this. Garden Boy could reference anything, even a Garden Freak. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:You know what that means, kids, time for a STUFF! [[User:76.173.92.70|76.173.92.70]] 00:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::First, Kids? Second, let's wait. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Wait, why are we bringing this to the talk page? It's the SENDER'S NAME! It could be Pulk Pogan and we wouldn't say it's a reference to Hulk Hogan; we don't care about senders. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:28, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, sometimes we care if it's exceptionally notable and clear-cut to do so. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::We're not perfect at guessing TBC's references, so why start guessing the references intended by e-mail senders? O_o It could simply be the guy's usual screen name. He could be a gardener. Heck, it could just be entirely random. '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 19:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's pronunciation ==

It sounds to me like the way Strong Sad delivers his last line is in, like, a faux french accent. Is that notable for this page? Further, it seems like he has a tendency to do this (like "chap au fan" or whatever in funeral, for example, I think there are others..) Should that be a running gag/page?mention somewhere/etc? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:[[Foreign Words]]? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Hmm, maybe.. I see that his pronunciation of chaperone is indeed on there. But some things don't seem to fit, like this one where he's not actually saying a foreign word, just adding a foreign accent. Which is why I was thinkin' it might be appropriate for a page in its own right... [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:58, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmmm, yeah.... we apparently have a page on [[French]]... so between the two, bases are probably covered.. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 06:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Seeing as how il is Italian for "the", he's portraying a fake Italian accent. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== Under the neckline ==

I added this fact:
<blockquote>*This is the first time that Homestar's body under the neckline is shown uncensored.</blockquote>
It was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=yes%2C_wrestling&diff=522628&oldid=522612 removed] by [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] with the summary "Is this true? Forgive me if so, but I was almost certain it was not.". Before adding the fact I first checked in [[Homestar Runner Other Costumes]] and the most bare he was was with V-neck costumes like [[:Image:HR poncho.PNG|this one]]. The Jack 'Em Up Kid is bare all over and I think this is worth mentioning. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:I was sure of it also, and was gonna revert straight away but decided not to since maybe there's something that i missed, however, seeing this post here, i have since reverted it, that fact is back on the page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:::So, I think the one I'm thinking of is the deleted scene from Yellow Dello. He's definitely naked below the neck and there's no pixelation, but it's from the back, so I dunno if that's different. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:37, 29 November 2007 (UTC) Edit to clarify: So is it different enough that I shouldn't take it out again? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I think this is a valid fact. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

==Cinnamon Dots==

I count seventeen cinnamon dots on Homestar. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 23:18, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Jack'em up Kid ==

Might the Jack'em up kid be a spin on the 1-2-3 Kid, Sean Waltman (Syxx, X-Pac, and Syxx-Pac) back in classic WWF? the name and the full body singlet are a dead give away. [[Image:http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/x/xpac/09.jpg]]

== Singers ==

''The singers for Strong Sad's entrance music are the same singers for the Thnikkaman's theme song.'' That fact seems a bit dubious to me. How do we know that they're the same? They don't sound exactly the same to me (plus there's the male sounding name). Anyway, my point is I don't see any way to confirm/verify this "fact". [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Francais ==

Should we say something about what "il-est" means in French? ("It/he is") Seems like something that would go in one of the categories. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think it was a play on "il Cartographer" and "illest"... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Rap Song

2007-11-27T01:12:14Z

Gaeamil: /**/Dry Toast

==Coach Z Doesn't Sound Like Himself==
Hey!!! did any of you notice that coach z doesnt sound like himself until the rap{{unsigned|67.170.119.144|0:45:18, 2007-11-13}}

:That because it was a powered by the cheat cartoon.{{unsigned|68.210.53.58|0:53:04, 2007-11-12}}
:The Cheat is doing the voices.{{unsigned|75.72.21.221|0:53:29, 2007-11-12}}
:That would be great... I mean [[Mike]]. He tends to do that for those [[Powered by The Cheat]] thingies. But perhaps it should be mentioned in the transcript when it's a PBTC voice and when it's Coach Z's voice. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 01:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::How should it be noted, however? It doesn't look like there is any precedent for dialog in a PBTC voice and then a musical piece with the regular voice. Should {PBTC} noted in front of each line, or note in the description? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd support putting "Powered by the Cheat" or something tothat effect in front of everyone's name until the song starts. The Cheat made an intro on his own, and then made a video to a previously recorded R-A-P S-O-N-G. That's my view of it, at least. [[User:132.161.138.10|132.161.138.10]] 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (I used to have an accoun, but I guess if you use it too infrequently it's DELETED? That's happened to me twice.)
:::I'm pretty sure accounts are only deleted under extreme circumstances. I believe this is the case in most wikis, sometimes for legal reasons as well as technical ones. Here at the HRWiki, I don't think [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ the license] prevents them from deleting accounts (though I'm 1: not a lawyer, and 2: haven't really read the license looking for that kind of thing), but the technical issues here remain the same as anywhere else: If you delete an account, what happens to all of their edits? In any case, knowing what your account names were would help in tracking down the problem, and a [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]] could help you if you brought it to their attention. Well, if it's an account issue, you might just need a [[Special:Listusers/bureaucrat|bureaucrat]]. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 03:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

==Dr. Dre Reference==
I'm glad to see the Dr. Dre "reference" was deleted. I'm sorry I spent the time adding links. Besides that it's a rap song (and rap songs are all alike, right?) I don't see the similarity. And I'm certainly not comfortable with the links because of the profanity in the Wikipedia articles. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm unfamiliar with the song, so I have no clue if there's any hidden references to it in this toon. I removed it because... well, I think facts that say "there is a reference to whatever" without saying what, exactly, the reference *is*, are essentially useless. They more or less expect you to *know*, which not everyone does. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Incorrect reference for Mix Tape==
I think the fun fact is grabbing the wrong part of the Wikipedia entry for "mix tape." This 'toon is definitely referring to the Hip Hop definition of mix tape, more like a demo than a home-made sample of other people's tracks.

From wikipedia:
"Often each track on a promotional hip hop mixtape will feature the same artist, thus making it more difficult to differentiate from the definition of a standard album. However, these mixtapes will usually have much lower production values than a studio album (such as housing "Demo" versions of tracks, or simply un-mastered/un-mixed versions of the tracks), and contain numerous collaborations, remixes, freestyles and voice-overs, often arranged in a specific flowing fashion, much like retail albums are."
--[[User:24.188.228.33|24.188.228.33]] 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

...Oh jeez. You're probably right. --[[User:Duck Secks|Duck Secks]] 02:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==New Math==

<blockquote>
*"My name is [[Tenerence Love]]" actually equals <math>Tenerence Love + 1</math> by order of operations, not <math>Tenerence Love remainder 3</math> as stated.
**Additionally, if the equation is interpreted as <math>(My name is Tenerence Love + My Name is Tenerence Love) / My name is Tenerence Love </math>, it should equal two, by factoring.
</blockquote>

...so, we're debating the mathematical formula behind what're basically nonsensical lyrics? As I said in the edit summary when I removed these, this seems to be talk page material and nothing more. Anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::I was about to say the same thing. They're FUN facts, people. Who honestly cares whether or not it would be remainder three or the square root of piemonade???? I vote DELORTED!!--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Edit: oh, it already was delorted. Too little too late.
Keep it civil. I actually found this very interesting and worked it out for myself. ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' = –1 if you perform the addition before the division; otherwise it is undefined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not saying it's not *true* or anything... I think it's great talk page material, but trying to analyze a nonsensical "math problem" in a comical rap song seems... a bit odd, IMO. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... I guess I hear the maths differently to you guys... I hear it as (abbreviating ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' as <math>x</math> for readability): <math>\frac{x+x}x = x\mbox{ r}3</math>, that is: <math>\frac{x+x}x = x + \frac 3 x</math> which solves to <math>x=1 \plusmn \sqrt 2 i\,</math>. Of course, this has problems, as the "remainder" thingy usually only makes sense when you're dealing with integers, not complex numbers... but it's a reasonable extension. Anyways, the order-of-operations reading, <math>x+\frac x x=x\mbox{ r}3</math>, makes even less sense, since the division has to be the last step for the remainder thing to make sense. Also, I'm with YK here... precedent is that pointless mathematical overanalysis, however fun, belongs on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard that and thought of a quadratic equation. I'm tempted to claim this is an IR to Virus ("Did the quadratic formula explode?" -SB) but that's... um... unlikely. At best. It could also be a nod to the old Bogus Mathematical Theorems, but I doubt that as well. Anyway, for the record, even though it makes no sense to state the equation with a remainder using the order of operations reading, you can still solve it for ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove''. It's 3. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To anyone who wants this in the article: Y'all buscuitheads, you remind me of ''[[Wikipedia:A Beautiful Mind (film)|A Beautiful Mind]]'' — "finding" meaning in the meaningless. Rondleman, you crack me up. Crack! Me! Up! (P.S. I <s>hated</s> strongly disliked ''A Beautiful Mind''.) Whew, I get ornery at 1:00 in the morning! I do have to say, "the square root of piemonade" made me laugh. Thanks for that, Nevadie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just a parody of the fact that he said "plus" in the second line, which can mean adding in the grammatical sense or in the mathematical sense. It's called poetic license. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Awexome. Poetic license and all that. Oh, and dot com, I wasn't being uncivil. Only sarcastic.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Finding meaning in the meaningless"? Isn't that the whole point of this wiki? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:The equation is impossible, given the "remainder 3" part that you all seem to be ignoring, order of operations, there's no way to have a remainder three in such a case, and order given, there's no remainder at all. This is not a real equation, it's impossible to solve, and we shouldn't even try. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The equation, performed in the stated order, is perfectly solvable if you think of it as a quadratic equation and treat "MyNameIsTeneranceLove" as a variable (say, X). The "remainder 3" would then be "X remainder 3," which is just another way of saying "X plus 3 over X." Phlip explained this quite adequately. If you take the order of operations into account, the equation is even easier to solve. It's first year algebra, and X ends up equaling 3. Sompm's HS math teacher explains this one below, and it's pointed out (sans explanation) above. The fact that it really makes no sense to use a remainder in this kind of equation, and that you wouldn't actually encounter such a problem (either version) in real life, does not make it "impossible to solve." We've solved it. Both versions. Several times. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor <math>(\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1})</math>. It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only [[Tenerence Love]] could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

I ran it by my highshool math teacher mother, and we came up with this: according to the order of oprations, we divide x by x first, to get one, so it's x+1 = xR3, and because the fraction of the division is the remainder over the denominator so it's x+1=x+3/x. if x is 3, the x+1=x+1.
in short, "my name is tenerence love" is 3. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anony ties lowercase i's in: [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
"*Solving (Tenerence Love + Tenerence Love)/Tenerence Love = Tenerence Love remainder 3 yields Tenerence Love = 1+i√2 or 1-i√2. This is another instance of [[lowercase i's]]."

A slight correction for Dagron:
When you plug 1-i√2 back into the equation, you get 0 = 4i√2. If you write out the equation as you did, only 1+i√2 correctly solves for Tenerence Love. This, of course, ignores that when it is calculated by the ordinary order of operations (as was pointed out by Sompm and the math-teach-mommy), the answer is just 3.

but didn't he say "equals tenayeaaarence love!"?? so it's a whole different integer! x+x/x='''Y'''R3! no problems! [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

:An instance of Lowercase i's. From the solution to a fake math problem. That may well be the best stretch ever. Even better than the Iron Sheik/Iron Cheek/Buns of Steel connection and the Eggs/Organic Batteries/"Eggs Not A Fruit" connection. I love it. (Ok, ok, forgive the blatant sarcasm, but this is just too funny. =P) -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we get it; some people don't think math is fun. We don't need those of you in that category to stomp all over our fun. In regards to the different interpretations of the formula, it seems that the most viable one is the one represented VISUALLY in the rap song itself. We don't just have a spoken word, we have a text as well, which should clear up all ambiguity. -TheHat 03:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed all this was going on when I added that comment again myself. Sorry. [[User:162.84.76.224|162.84.76.224]] 02:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I just gotta say, I was also thinking about the math of this. And to all of y'all who think it's weird or strange, there are those of us who find math interesting. I myself am an engineering student. If if it wasn't people like us, the computer connected to the internet and running on the outlet power that you're using wouldn't be at all possible. -Eaglescout1984 02:38 19 November 2007 (GMT)

== warsh ==

I'm not sure if anyone cares, and I'm sure it doesn't belong in the article anywhere, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that in some areas of Eastern Canada, especially [[wikipedia:Prince Edward Island|PEI]], pronouncing the word "wash" as "warsh" is actually part of a regional accent. I used to live in that region, and almost nobody my age ever said it like that, but a lot of us had parents who did. Also common around there is saying "slippy" instead of "slippery", and saying the word "barrel" in such a way that it sort of rhymes with "Carl". - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:Warsh is also a common pronunciation of wash in Kentucky and some areas further south. Unusual that it makes the long leap up to Canada and skips over everything in between. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::As interesting as that is, I don't think it has anything to do with Coach Z's pronounciation of the word. He simply pronounces all words like that, and the majority of them do not sound similar to any other accent in any region. (For example, Port = Putt. What?) {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 10:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::If I recall, Coach Z was originally intended to have a sort of US midlands accent that quickly began to devolve and get weird, until it's really just replacing some sounds with "or" and "ar" sounds. Now it doesn't really resemble any sort of language at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My grandma (born and raised in Minnesota) has always said "warsh" .. I'll bet it's a reference to her! Will someone please add this to the article: '''"Wash" being spelled as "warsh" is a reference to [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]]'s grandma who has always pronounced it that way."''' By the way, it's not Coach Z's pronunciation we should be talking about here; The Cheat is responsible for the word "warsh" .. not Coach Z. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::My Hoosier relatives have been know to say "worsh" and/or "warsh" on occasion. Say, aren't TBC from Indiana? --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 21:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Wash was also spelled and pronounced as "worsh" in 20X6 vs. 1936. Perhaps it's a referance to that too! Personally, I feel it's a TTAOT. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Anthropomorphic Egg==
When I saw the egg chasing after Peacy P's limo/waffle house, my first thought was that it was supposed to be one of the villains from Data East's [[Wikipedia:Burgertime|Burgertime]], but a quick check of the box art shows that the egg didn't wear a domino mask as portrayed here. Is this a ''Burgertime'' reference despite the cosmetic difference, or is the significance of the egg relevant to something else? [[User: Nekouken|Nekouken]]
:Dude, it's breakfast, and it's walking. Some things in these cartoons are just silly for the sake of silly, not everything is a reference to something and/or has a hidden meaning. - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did notice one thing about the '''EGG'''. And that is that the '''EGG''' appears to be holding a gun, and also the '''EGG''' has legs, and an animation (running) that seams almost Identical to that game on H*R where you shoot each other, have the same style leggs as this '''EGG''' and run the same way the '''EGG''' does in this video. I think the game was called "Where's an..." Damn! I forgot the last word of the title... [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Nate Dogg==

I believe that Tenerence Love is 'sposed to sound like Nate Dogg. And also "It don't stop" is something that alot of rappers (especially Snoop Dogg) says. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Tenerence Love wearing a donut reminded me of Luther Vandross and his infamous diet, but I don't necessarily think that's a reference, either. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 13:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rap Song Visuals ==

Someone needs to write a separate article for the video's visuals (I don't know if I have time to do it) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Fast Food Freestyle==
This supposed RWR ("Peacey P places an order for food much like in the video "Fast Food Freestyle" on Youtube.") needs some discussing, methinks. Pretty funny video, and similar, but sometimes there's an overlap in ideas that TBC may think are original but that have been done before. Is it a reference? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd have to say TTATOT. It's just another random thing they do. Ordering breakfast in the middle of a rap song.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Peacey P ==

...is the abbreviation PCP, which can mean a lot of things ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP]), but probably Phencyclidine. This would make it another drug reference. --[[User:91.97.14.14|91.97.14.14]] 16:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:See his character page. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 18:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Coach Z's accessories==
If you may notice, Coach Z's hat and Z change during the toon. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's because The <strike>Chort</strike> Cheat isn't a very good Flash animator. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==I don't even know who's song this is==

Is that part a reference to the reputation of rap songs sampling other songs without permission? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I took it as him admitting that he works with so many other rappers that he can't even keep track of whose song he's in at the moment.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::What about the "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Yes Yes, Yall ==

reference to the Will Smith song? most likely a coincidence, but i immediately thought of the Will Smith song Yes, Yes Yall (i think that's what it's called). whatchyall think? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 20:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==The end distortion==

When the picture is distorted at the end, the singers sound nauseated. I don't remember this originally. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Sterrance in background of last section? ==

Take a look at the last section of the rap song when Tenerance Love is flying by on a doughnut. What is that pink thing on the right? It vaguely reminds me of [[Sterrance]] from [[animal]] but it's a bit off. Any ideas? --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hated to remove this from the page, but it's actually the running Egg from the breakfast. Y'all biscuitheads! -- → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, obviously :^P Don't worry about it, I never actually added this to the page before I put it here, so someone must have been overly ambitious. --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 05:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Waffle House ==

Does the explaination of what Waffle House is (Since it's where Peacey orders breakfast, though named differently) seem worth including on the page? Also, can anyone tell what name is scribbled on the top of his order? → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The name looks to be "_est Chef" with the blank being unreadable (to me) but I assume it's "Best Chef". Nothing there, I guess. Interesting though that "Tos" for "Toast" is there, when previously it was "Toz" for "Toes". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Noteworthy "pseudo-goofs?" ==

I'm surprised no one's made mention of a few "pseudo-goofs":

* At the words "come to do his landry," Coach Z briefly appears to have two left forearms.

* After Coach Z asks if he can record on new album, Peacey-P's body clearly disconnects from his head.

* Coach Z's left eye briefly pops out of his head at the words "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"

* When singing, Tenerance Love's moustache and goatee occasionally overlap his microphone.

These are obviously not honest goofs, but they stand out as exceptional even considering The Cheat's usual two-years-old-boy style. Worth adding to "Remarks?" [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:They *have* been mentioned, repeatedly. They just keep getting removed, because we don't point out The Cheat's "goofs". The "feauring" thing is an exception because that appears to be an honest typo. It's correct the other two times, and Teh C doesn't have a history of typoes or misspellings. -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I thought we normally put PbTC "goofs" under Remarks. I know for a fact we've done it before (in [[animal]], for example). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Granted I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any PbTC "goofs" listed in the Remarks section of [[animal]]. You sure that's the one meant? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I know there was something in there at one point... About how objects pass overtop the christmas lights, but under the fanglyfish... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I feel that these pseudo-goofs do deserve some merit. I didn't see the first and third pseudo-goofs, and I found them interesting. I feel they should go under the "remarks" section. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Agreed, they probably should go *somewhere* in the fun facts, but given the sheer number of them, it seems like they'd just clutter the Remarks section... Perhaps a new subsection for PbTC toons? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds good. Maybe it could be a subsection of goofs. (Call it PbTC goofs or something). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The notion of making a sub-section for this type of content seems quite warranted, especially if such things keep getting added and deleted. My feeling is that if TBC went through the trouble of glitching up PbTC segments, it's worth documenting. "PbTC Goofs" or "PbTC Style" seem good to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe these should go in [[Rap Song Visuals]], if anywhere. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== "I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz" visual ==

I noticed that visual where Peacey P is rapping in front of his golden record, all but his afro is reflected.
:Another psuedo-goof? (See above). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 07:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just because his afro is black and the background of the golden record is black. His reflection is underneath the actual record.
:No, his afro is definitely missing. IMO, this one's worth mentioning cause it's not so noticeable and isn't the typical screwed up transformation/alignment that always go with PBTC stuff, but is a distinct oversight (probably intentional). But it'd probably just get deleted again. [[User:65.2.33.109|65.2.33.109]] 06:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Looks to me like the afro is missing, too. Could be a goof, but my bet is it belongs in the [[Rap Song Visuals]] page. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It looks to me like the background is just too dark to reflect it. Either way, it's a the Cheat Flash animation, so such a "goof" can probably be chalked up to his skill or lack thereof.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==Superfluous explanations==

Do we really need to be told what words are portmanteaus? Is this just another example of people needing so badly to put their name on the article that they add obvious information?
:[[portmanteaus]] are a running gag, and should of course be mentioned. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Stow in Crample-O Stow. ==

Is it just me - or is the "STOW" on "Crample-O Stow" another reference to [[Style]]? Think about it. Crample-O contains "Cramp" and "Stow" sounds exactly like a "ghetto" type mutilation of the word "Style". Crample-O Stow is most likely a mangling of "Cramping of Style" or something similar. Someone else can probably pinpoint the actual phrase that's being obscured better than I can. Heck, the Rap Song even contains "You're crampin' my style!". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Actually now I see it on the Style page, though I don't think it's actually "crampin' my style." Oh well. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Cheat's Animation Style ==

Does anyone else think that The Cheat's style of flash animation is becoming more mature with this video? Some of the visuals are really quite well done. Is it worth mentioning?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 11:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really see any difference between this and the older cheat stuff... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::The bulge effect was impressive, but not much else was different from, say, Everybody to the Limit. And the silhouetted dancers aren't that hard to do when working from reference. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 17:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

==Ben Cousins's Tattoo==
This RWR was inexplicably removed, so I re-added it but decided to provide a link here on the talk page to make it painfully obvious that this is a reference. First, I found some pictures of the [http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22384115-5005401,00.html actual tattoo], and for improved legibility, here's a link to show some [http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?satitle=Such+is+Life shirts] designed to match his tattoo. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 14:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:Except, isn't that a common style of tattoo, particularly among rappers? I believe "Thug Life" tattoos are in the same place, shape and font. I don't have the cartoon open to compare it to, though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:2Pac|2Pac]]'s [http://www.thugradio.net/thuglifepacsstomache.jpg thug life tattoo] is in the right shape (though the arc is quite a bit shallower), but wrong font, and it uses an image (a bullet) for one of the letters. Granted, people have immitated 2Pac's tat and gotten closer to the font used in this short, but I doubt TBC was going for a "reference to an immitation of the tattoo of somebody famous". Visually, the "RAP SONG" tattoo is a better match to Ben Cousins's tattoo, although it would make more sense for this to be a parody of a rapper tattoo. So maybe it's TTATOT. And hey, I'm anti-tattoo.. so, while I think the wiki should be accurate, it wouldn't break my heart to see this reference go. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I removed it as TTATOT, though I do think it's really a direct reference to Tupac's. TBC have referenced it twice before, in [[Halloween Fairstival]], and in its corresponding creator's commentary. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 03:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==Three Times One Minus One==
Does anybody else think that the RWR implying this mess refers "to David Cross and Bob Odenkirk's spoof R&B duo 'Three Times One Minus One'" is TTATOT? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 08:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Decidedly '''not a reference'''. Removed. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mumbling ==
Are we sure that it's supposed to be Peacey P at the beginning? It struck me as just some kind of PBTC... sound effect? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 21:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:At first it struck me as a sound effect too, like random "music" or something following Peacey P around, but Coach Z reacts to it as though he's speaking ("I can understand well that's a yes..."), so I think it's actually supposed to be P mumbling or rapping incoherently. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Do his landry ==
Do you suppose TBC chose to mispronounce "laundry" ''specifically'' as "landry", since Tom Landry is a famous ''coach'' of the Dallas Cowboys? -- TJDevil02

==spelling of the word "crisp"==
I really don't think this is a Crips reference. I think if any allusion is being made, it's the frequent error of saying "aks" instead of "ask".
[[User:171.64.126.37|171.64.126.37]]
:I don't think either of those is a reference. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::I personally think it's a spelling mistake. Period. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

== Dry Toast ==

The first thing Peacey P orders in the diner is a piece of dry toast. Could this possibly refer to Elwood Blues of the Blues Brothers? His signature food was one piece dry white toast. Just a thought.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 01:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

H*R.com updates 2007

2007-11-15T18:23:39Z

Gaeamil:

{{updates-box}}
This is a log of all of the '''updates''' to '''[[Homestar Runner (body of work)|H*R.com]]''' during '''2007'''.

==Monday, November 12, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Rap Song]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''new short soon''
*[[Store]]: [[Everything Else, Volume 3]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week|"I feel like that school child on the first day of Christmas!"]](Need links!)
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff|limozeen keyswordtar]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook|pom pom's house & car?]]

==Monday, November 5, 2007==
*[[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[Fan Costumes '07]]

==Saturday, November 3, 2007==
*[[Interviews and Public Appearances]]: The Lucky Yates Show

==Thursday, November 1, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-11-01|"Jibblie jibblie jibblie jibblie. Does that sound frantic?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-11-01|limojean jacket!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-11-01|biz trip homestar]]

==Monday, October 29, 2007==
*[[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[Jibblies 2]]

==Thursday, October 25, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''ween toon soon''
*[[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[Jibblies 2 Teaser|Halloween Toon 2007 Teaser]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-10-25b|"I DON'T WANT TO EAT A GUITAR!"]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-10-25a|"Can you spare any mush for me?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-10-25|papercraft homestar]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-10-25|nebulon's dad?]]

==Sunday, October 21, 2007==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Marshie vs. Little Girl‎]]
*[[Punkin Stencils]] updated with new layout and [[The Sad Kids]], [[Pistols For Pandas]], [[The Jolly Dumple]], [[Cheatball]], and [[1-Up]] designs.

==Thursday, October 18, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-10-18|"Oh, way to impress, Spirit of St. Loolis. The peanut brittle coulda swam better than that."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-10-18|high school fhqwhgads]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-10-18|worthwhile storyboard]]

==Monday, October 15, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #182: [[business trip]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-shirts#tshirt_eh_steve|Eh! Steve! T-shirt]]
*[[Make-O Your Own Stinko]] added to [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|Games Menu]] and updated with several new features and sprites.

==Friday, October 12, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-10-12|"Borgorroth of Coolswordorroth shimmies for no man!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-10-12|homsunami warning]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-10-12|free country usa]]

==Monday, October 8, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #181: [[web comics]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon''

==Thursday, October 4, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-10-04|"Oh and one more thing, if your jim-jams happen to be a pair of takelongs..."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-10-04|interchangeable sb]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-10-04|pipestache and strongbones]]

==Tuesday, October 2, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-shirts#tshirt_windup|Wind-up Homestar T-shirt]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store_Front_Page_News_2007#October_2.2C_2007|Coupon code sale]]
*[[Store]]: Footer changed to [[Store#Store Footer|autumn]] theme.

==Monday, October 1, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #180: [[slumber party]]

==Thursday, September 27, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-09-27|"Did you just say polychaete worms?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-09-27|amazing cross stich]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-09-27|smilin' homestars]]

==Monday, September 24, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #179: [[pizza joint]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon''

==Friday, September 21, 2007==
*[[Podstar Runner]] is shut down and all the podcasts are removed.

==Thursday, September 20, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-09-20|"Oh. I guess I forgort to port. Oh! I guess I forgat to prat! OH! Gorka fa pork!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-09-20|Somewhere in Kuwait]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-09-20|y'all biscuitheads]]

==Tuesday, September 18, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-Shirts#tshirt sloshy|Sloshy T-Shirt]]

==Monday, September 17, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]

==Thursday, September 13, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-09-13|"Frosty? Flurry."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-09-13|tgs 360 faceplate]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-09-13|he got craiged.]]

==Monday, September 10, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #178: [[bike thief]]

==Thursday, September 6, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-09-06|"Oh. I should eat a pony."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-09-06|Cold ones carton collage]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-09-06|ob - Original Bubs]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Accessories#Tote Bags|Trogdor Tote Bag]]

==Monday, September 3, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #177: [[original]]

==Saturday, September 1, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Posters#poster_trogdor|Trogdor Poster]]

==Thursday, August 30, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-08-30|"We don't really even care about you. Get out of my backyard or maybe don't. Cause I'm about to watch a movie movie movie oh!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-08-30|armored core 4 logo]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-08-30|shoving right orf]]

==Monday, August 27, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #176: [[hygiene]]

==Thursday, August 23, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-08-23|"Yeah, I don't think Sloshy could arpeggiate a diminished 7th if their philosophy degrees depended on it."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-08-23|trading card game]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-08-23|ooh. AH!]]

==Monday, August 20, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #175: [[concert]]

==Thursday, August 16, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-08-16|"I'm gonna be so far under par, I'm gonna be over par!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-08-16|you can't destroy me!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-08-16|eh! steve! for birdie]]

==Monday, August 13, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #174: [[mini-golf]]
*[[Scroll Button Song]]: "Control your scrolls. Click and hold with scroll buttons."
*[[Store]]: [[Store_Front_Page_News_2007#August_13.2C_2007|Back to school sale]]

==Thursday, August 9, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-08-09|"That would be a sweet deal I couldn't resist! N-E-S-T-L-E-S!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-08-09|cool trogdor sculpture]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-08-09|sooo trogmopolitan]]

==Tuesday, August 7, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Quality Time]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''sbemails return next week!''

==Tuesday, July 24, 2007==
*[[Main Pages|Main Page]] #24: "[[Main Page 24|20/200!]]"

==Monday, July 23, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#July 23, 2007|Toy sale]]

==Monday, July 16, 2007==
*[[Videlectrix]]: [[Where's an Egg?]]

==Monday, July 2, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''[[:Image:Real Baby Lady Message.png|takin' a baby break]]''
:Clicking on the button reveals the following pop-up message:
<blockquote>The [[Jackie Chapman|real baby lady]] 
had a real baby so 
updates may be scarce 
for a few weeks. 
 
''{sprite of the [[Baby Lady & Her Baby|Baby Lady]] rocking her baby}'' 
 
>DON'T [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough#DRESS Like a Peasant|throw baby]]!</blockquote>

==Tuesday, June 26, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Ever and More!]]

==Monday, June 25, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''short toon soon!''

==Thursday, June 21, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-06-21|"Garbage disposal: what a way to go! Garbage disposal, meet So and So."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-06-21|the cheatz-it]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-06-21|please stop feeding us]]

==Monday, June 18, 2007==
*[[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13|Issue 13]] 

==Thursday, June 14, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-06-14|"I love longitudes. Not me, I'm a latitude snob."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-06-14|old cool fan art]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-06-14|tgs 11 outtake]]

==Monday, June 11, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #173: [[the paper]]

==Thursday, June 7, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-06-07|"So what are you saying? That you -GULP- want his bod?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-06-07|prison tattoo]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-06-07|gutslap practice]]

==Tuesday, June 5, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[strongbad_email.exe]] [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five|Disc Five]] [[Store Front Page News 2007#June 5, 2007|for sale]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-Shirts#tshirt_you_reeka|You Reek-A! T-shirt]]

==Monday, May 28, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[One Two, One Two]]

==Thursday, May 24, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-05-24|"Do not attempt to adjust those trucker caps you're all wearing. Or wait, in fact, DO adjust them. Everybody turn your trucker caps sidewise!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-05-24|homebrew poptire ds]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-05-24|fightin' coach z's]]

==Wednesday, May 23, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Hooded Sweatshirts#hoodie_trogdor_zipup|Trogdor zip-up hoodie]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#May 23, 2007|Hoodie sale]]

==Monday, May 21, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #172: [[more armies]]

==Thursday, May 17, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-05-17|"There was this little worm and I brought him inside because he seemed like he would fit into a little jar. And I gave him the name of Fat Albert."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-05-17|My flip-flop got stole!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-05-17|no sign of Dan Towelman]]

==Tuesday, May 15, 2007==
*[[Toons#Big Toons|Toon]]: [[DNA Evidence]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#May 15, 2007|Strong Bad sale]]

==Monday, May 14, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''new toon soon''

==Friday, May 11, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-05-11|"Did you just say parakeet?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-5-11|cheatar hero controler]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-05-11|connect the dots]]

==Monday, May 7, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #171: [[underlings]]

==Thursday, May 3, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-05-03|"We deserve a break! Everyone grab a spoon and take a break with pudding."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-05-03|li'l brudder doggie dish]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-05-03|sbemail 169 storyboard]]

==Monday, April 30, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]]

==Before Friday, April 27, 2007==
*Who Said What? updated to [[Who Said What Now?]], with [[Homsar]] included.

==Thursday, April 26, 2007==
*[[Interviews and Public Appearances]]: [[Georgia Tech - 26 Apr 2007|Georgia Tech Talk]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-04-26|"Oh, hello guys! This is my talk and mouth move. Great times!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-04-26|treggdor the yolkinator]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-04-26|date nite the cheats]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[An Important Rap Song]]

==Tuesday, April 24, 2007==
*[[Toons#Big Toons|Big Toon]]: [[Date Nite]]

==Monday, April 23, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''new toon soon''

==Friday, April 20, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store_Baby_Clothes#tshirt_the_poopsmith_onesie|Poopsmith baby clothes]]

==Thursday, April 19, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-04-19|"Drinko some Malinko! Malinko flavored water! Crystal clear like domestic beer!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-04-19|blue laser escape sub]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-04-19|rough copy rough drafts]]

==Monday, April 16, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #170: [[rough copy]]

==Thursday, April 12, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-04-12|"These hardly qualify as PANTS!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-04-12|just add water!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-04-12|the schwasmith]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#April 12, 2007|Hoodie clearance]]

==Monday, April 9, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #169: [[from work]]
*[[Eggs (toon)|Eggs]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon'' (Button links to [[Eggs (toon)|Eggs]])

==Thursday, April 5, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-04-05|"Sever your leg, please. It's the greatest day."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-04-05|marshie plushie]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-04-05|blaaah'm crack stuntman]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[These peoples try to fade me]]

==Monday, April 2, 2007==
*[[Store]]: Footer changed to [[Store#Store Footer|spring]] theme.
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#April 2, 2007|Pistols for Pandas T-Shirt]]

==Monday, March 26, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[An Important Rap Song]]

==Thursday, March 22, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-03-22|"Ooh hoo ha ha haaa. Brother in a jar. Brother in a jar. Brotherinajar!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-03-22|stinkomural]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-03-22|drive thrus]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[mile]]

==Monday, March 19, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Drive-Thru]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#March 19, 2007|10% off sale]]

==Thursday, March 15, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-03-15|"I've had it up to HERE with your shinoligans! If you could see me you'd see that I'm holding my hand up to my chin. And I'm pretty tall!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-03-15|stained glasstar]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-03-15|teen track squad]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]]

==Tuesday, March 13, 2007==
*[[Viidelectrix|Wii]] versions of [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Duck Guardian One]] removed

==Monday, March 12, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #168: [[your funeral]]
*[[Game]]: [[TROGDOR!]] for [[Viidelectrix|Wii]]
*[[Game]]: [[Duck Guardian One]] for [[Viidelectrix|Wii]]
*[[Videlectrix]]: main page message update (regarding [[Viidelectrix]]); Link to "Games for Wii" on sidebar
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon'' (button linked to [[404'd]] page of sbemail168.html)
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#March 12, 2007|Senor Cardgage T-Shirt]]

==Thursday, March 8, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-03-08|"Woo! What is that reek? The Poopsmith, you smell like a Crapsmith."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-03-08|matching tgs tattoos]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-03-08|entirely untrue]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]]

==Monday, March 5, 2007==
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 14.2|Version 14.2]]

==Thursday, March 1, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-03-01|"I wonder how you spell tabasco. TABASCOooo!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-03-01|homebrew figurine]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-03-01|lacelift strong bad with cheatpelt ponytail]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[theme song]]
*[[Podstar Runner|podcast]] added to the [[HR:main_nav.swf|navbar]].

==Monday, February 26, 2007==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[KOT's VOQPCS!]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''new toon soon''
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#February 26, 2007|Everything Else DVD combo]]
*[[Viidelectrix|Wii Games]] added to [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]]

==Thursday, February 22, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-02-22|"You and me, babe, livin for dreams, lifin' for love, drinkin' for free. Sittin' on top of an old robot, sharin' and carin' it out. The memory's scrubbin' you down!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-02-22|teen mii squad!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-02-22|melon headed babies]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[highschool]]

==Tuesday, February 20, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #167: [[the movies]]

==Monday, February 19, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon'' (button links to [[Strong Bad Email]] menu)

==Thursday, February 15, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-02-15|"2-3-4. What time is it? It's Valentimes. What time is it? It's Valentimes. What we gone get? Several boys! How we gonna get em? Uh...um...er..."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-02-15|homestar's slippers!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-02-15|no handed style!]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[animal]]

==Monday, February 12, 2007==
*[[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12|Issue 12]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#February 12, 2007|T-Shirt Closeout Sale]]
*[[TV Time Toons Menu|Toons Menu]]: "[[New Stuff]]" video replaces one of the [[Joy of Painting]] videos.

==Thursday, February 8, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-02-08|"King Bubsgonzola King-King Bubsgonzola Supreme"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-02-08|homestar skinnyplush]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-02-08|two handed style!]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[Cheat Commandos (toon)|Cheat Commandos Toys]]

==Monday, February 5, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #166: [[unnatural]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon''

==Thursday, February 1, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-02-01|"Word booty!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-02-01|make your own playsets & toys!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-02-01|crushed by a cup of coffee]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[haircut]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#February 1, 2007|Valentine's Day Kick The Cheat sale]]

==Monday, January 29, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #165: [[strong badathlon]]

==Sunday, January 28, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon''
*[[Main Page message]]: ''wii owners!''
<blockquote>
{| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style="text-align:center"
|-
| The guys at Videlectrix have
|-
| reworked a few of your
|-
| favorite games to use on
|-
| your favorite Wave-Around
|-
| Controller Game System!
|-
| 
|-
| Point your Wii Browser here:
|-
|[[videlectrix:vii/|www.videlectrix.com/vii/]]
|}
</blockquote>
*[[Videlectrix]]: [[Viidelectrix]]

==Monday, January 22, 2007==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #164: [[looking old]]
*[[Scroll Button Song]]: "Look around, I think you'll find that these buttons are the scrolling kind."
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#January 22, 2007|Teen Girl Squad sale]]

==Sunday, January 21, 2007==
*[[Store]]: Footer changed to [[Store#Store Footer|winter]] theme.

==Thursday, January 18, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-01-18|"I can't remember cereal, I can't remember TV. Is it football season yet? I don't even watch football. I hate football but I'll play football. Run you over in football..."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-01-18|i'm sad that i'm a diaper]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-01-18|zzzzziiiiiiiip!]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[technology]]

==Monday, January 15, 2007==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''sbemails return next week!''

==Sunday, January 14, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#January 14, 2007|Trogdor fourth birthday sale]]
*[[Main Pages]] copyright date changed from 2006 to 2007 (except for [[Main Page 23|"Backstage Pass"]] main page).

==Thursday, January 11, 2007==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2007-01-11|"Crabadonk. Crabadonk! CRABADONK!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff#WF-2007-01-11|it's the trog trog b'loon]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook#SK-2007-01-11|fightgar in the whatsit]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[replacement]]

==Thursday, January 4, 2007==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2007#January 4, 2007|Bear Holding a Shark T-shirt and sweatshirt sale]]
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[[Category: Regular Updates]]

Strong Badman Characters

2007-11-15T18:03:11Z

Gaeamil:

Several '''characters''' star alongside '''[[Strong Badman]]''' in ''The Total Adventures of Strong Badman''.

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=3 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width=120 | Character !! Description !! Appearances
|-id="Strong_Badman"
| [[Image:Who is little stiny.PNG|150px]] || '''Strong Badman''' is the main character of ''The Total Adventures of Strong Badman''. (See main article: [[Strong Badman]]) ||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[superhero name]]
*[[:Category:Strong Badman Filmography|Complete Filmography]]
|-id="Stiny"
| [[Image:Stiny Get me a danish.png|150px]] || '''Stiny''', also known as '''Li'l Stiny''' and '''L'il Stiny''', is [[Strong Badman]]'s temporary, hypothetical sidekick, invented by [[Strong Bad]] in order to insult yet another email-writing fan. He ceases to exist after [[The Cheat]] gets upset about the notion of being replaced as Strong Bad's sidekick (see below). But for argument's sake, Stiny lives with Strong Badman in [[Strong Badman's Apartment]], assisting Strong Badman with his various evil schemes. Stiny is frequently yelled at by his boss to get him a [[Wikipedia:Danish pastry|danish]] or asked who spilled coffee all over Strong Badman's plans for his death ray. Stiny presumably debuts in the first issue of ''The Total Adventures of Strong Badman'' but is [[Unseen Characters|never actually seen]], only yelled at by Strong Badman.

Stiny first appears as the sender of the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[superhero name]], asking Strong Bad why his name doesn't end in "man", like other superheroes (examples given are [[Wikipedia:Superman|Superman]] and [[Wikipedia:Spider-Man|Spiderman]]). Strong Bad proceeded to comment that Stiny is not in a very good position to be criticizing people's names, as Strong Bad believed that Stiny sounded like some supervillain's little sidekick that he's always ordering around. After mocking him, Strong Bad agreed to change his name to Strong Badman ''if'' Stiny agreed to become his sidekick, changes his name to Li'l Stiny, and wears "a little mask and a little cape". The Cheat (dressed in a little mask and a little cape) complains that Strong Bad is trying to replace him and takes offense at Strong Bad's mocking reference to a little mask and a little cape.

||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[superhero name]] (mentioned)
*Email [[alternate universe]] (mentioned)
|-id="Deutschman"
| [[Image:Deutschman.PNG|150px]] || '''Deutschman''' is a character in ''The Total Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]''. He is based off of Harry Earlenmacherg from the German city of [[Wikipedia:Düsseldorf|Düsseldorf]], the sender of the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[haircut]], making him the second character based off a Strong Bad Email sender in the Strong Badman universe (the first being Stiny). The nickname "Deutschman" is given by [[Strong Bad]], and clicking on the word Deutschman in the email brings up an image of ''The Total Adventures of Strong Badman'' issue #23, featuring Deutschman. By the end of the email the sender is also called Düsseldörke and Ger-man.

His superpowers, if any, are unknown, though he seems to wield a chain of sausages as a weapon. He has blond hair, a mustache and, later, a beard. Although elsewhere in the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work the word "deutsch" (the German word for "German") is [[portrait|mistaken for the word "Dutch"]], it seems to be correct in the case of Deutschman, as he wears [[Wikipedia:Lederhosen|lederhosen]] and a [[Wikipedia:Pickelhaube|pickelhaube]], both of which are German attire. The [[Wikipedia:Pickelhaube|pickelhaube]] is also seen on [[The Kaiser]] in [[The Ballad of The Sneak]] and [[The King of Town]] in [[Ever and More!]]. He also wears green lederhosen, green tights, green gloves, and green boots. Although he appears to be a villain during his ''Total Adventures of Strong Badman'' debut, in issue #45, it appears both he and Strong Badman teamed up to fight The Deutsch Master, a battle they lost.

Deutschman appears once more in the 150th email, [[alternate universe]], in which he has a cameo appearance. As Strong Bad jumps down from the top to bottom panel in the Strong Badman comic, he passes a panel of Deutschman holding a chain of sausage and saying "KINDER UBERRASCHUNG!!", the German name for "[[Wikipedia:Kinder Surprise|Kinder Surprise]]" (though Uberraschung should be spelled Überraschung).
||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[haircut]] (Easter egg)
*Email [[portrait]] (Easter egg)
*Email [[alternate universe]]
|-id="The_Deutsch_Master"
| [[Image:Deutschmaster.PNG|150px]] || '''The Deutsch Master''' is a villain within the comic book series ''The Total Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]''. His first mention is in the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[portrait]], where [[Strong Bad]] decides that his greatness is worthy of portraiture by a Deutsch Master (a play on "Dutch Master"). Strong Bad mentions that Deutsch Masters make the kind of art that is always getting stolen or [[Graffiti|vandalized]] by art bandits, such as [[The Cheat]]. He creates a portrait of Strong Bad dressed in what looks like a [[Wikipedia:Beret|beret]], brown hair, and either a toga or other kind of white robe and holding [[Lord Quackingstick]] in his left boxing glove. According to a small white card located beside the painting, the portrait is titled ''Strongio da Baddio'', was apparently created by someone named "DaVantres" (whom is likely either one of the "Deutsch Masters" or even The Deutsch Master himself), and was created circa 1658. The portrait is contained in a detailed golden frame. Clicking on the white card will cause Strong Badman Issue #45 to pop up, depicting The Deutsch Master as a dark, robed figure armed with a paintbrush with blue paint on it and red eyes. He stands over the unconscious bodies of Deutschman and Strong Badman, and he says in a word bubble that "Strong Badman and Deutschman are both FINISHED!!!"||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[portrait]] (Easter Egg)
|-id="Grossman"
| [[Image:Grossman.PNG|150px]] || '''Grossman''' is a fat, smelly, untidy, and overall gross character who appears in ''The Total Adventures of Strong Badman'' issue #56. Grossman was a nickname given to the sender of the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[narrator]], whose real name is Grant Gossman, by [[Strong Bad]]. The nickname was given for no particular reason other than that "Gossman" sounds like "Grossman" (or possibly that it's a combination of '''Gr'''ant and G'''ossman'''). He has somewhat dark blonde hair on his head and 37 black hairs across his shoulders. He wears a somewhat green [[Wikipedia:Wifebeater (shirt)|wifebeater shirt]], brown pants, a belt, and at least one green glove with which he holds a peeled banana. Along his body he has numerous visible stains of varying colors, including lime green, dark green, yellow, orange, and blue, as well as two sweat stains, one under his right armpit and one on the front of his torso. He has visible green gas rising up from him. He may be Strong Badman's new roommate. ||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[narrator]] (Easter egg)
|-id="Damp_Towel_Man"
| [[Image:Damp towel man.PNG|150px]] || '''Damp Towel Man''' is a superhero played by [[Coach Z]]. His job is to collect damp towels from across the galaxy. His "mild-mannered alter ego" is named Dan Towelman. When Coach Z turns into Damp Towel Man, he dons a costume consisting of a mask and a cape, which is actually a towel. He also sports a yellow "Z" across his chest. In the toon [[DNA Evidence]], he finds a green-stained damp towel on [[Strong Bad]]'s desk, which he takes to work the next day. When he returns to his janitor cart, he finds it has gone missing. He suspects the culprit was his nemesis, Dry Ragamuffin. ||
*'''Debut:''' [[DNA Evidence]] (Easter Egg)
|-id="Dry_Ragamuffin"
| [[Image:Dry ragamuffin.PNG|150px]] || '''Dry Ragamuffin''' is Damp Towel Man's nemesis, and appears to be the superhero version of [[Bubs]]. His cape appears to be made out of burlap. Damp Towel Man suspects that Dry Ragamuffin stole his green-stained damp towel from his janitor cart at [[The Office]]. His mild-mannered alter-ego is Dreyfus Ragámoofin. ||
*'''Debut:''' [[DNA Evidence]] (Easter Egg)
|-id="Moth_Mouth"
| [[Image:Moth Mouth Strong Badman.png|150px]] || '''Moth Mouth''' is based on John, from Strong Bad's video in [[hygiene]] and appeared in issue 81. The cover is similar to [http://en.marveldatabase.com/Uncanny_X-Men_28 the cover] of [[Wikipedia:Uncanny X-Men|Uncanny X-Men]] #28. His name refers to the email's lines, "John's mouth is an ecological trainwreck and has a nest of rare South American moths living inside it," and "None of the hot college hotties'll show up if you're hanging around, Mothmouth." ||
*'''Debut:''' Email [[hygiene]] (Easter egg)
|-
|}

==Trivia==
[[Image:sketchbook 040902 comicbookstylecheat.png|thumb|Might have been more than a sidekick]]
*In the [[Sketchbook 2004#SK-2004-09-02|Sketchbook]] and the [[Sketchbook (video)|Sketchbook video]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] reveal an unused Strong Badman version of [[The Cheat]].

[[Category:Strong Badman]]

User:Gaeamil

2007-11-15T17:56:56Z

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2007-11-08T16:28:53Z

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User:Gaeamil

2007-11-08T16:22:19Z

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