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User talk:Phlip/Greasemonkey

2007-07-20T10:08:30Z

Don't press that button.: /**/Typo...

==Release notes==
===Version 1.0 (8 Mar, 2006)===
*First released version.
*Had the fullscreen, seek bar, prev/next and wiki link features.
*Worked only on the main site.
===Version 2.0 (26 May, 2006)===
*Added the preferences menu.
*Added support for Videlectrix and the HRWiki mirror.
*Added "outside the frame", April Fools and plain HTML navbar options.
===Version 2.1 (8 Aug, 2006)===
*Tooltips in the preferences box.
*The "more better" rando link is now always on... the less better version was just ugly, so I removed it.
*You can set what types of toon are included in the rando selection.
*You have the option to make it check if the next sbemail/whatever actually exists before putting the "next" link (so there's no "next" link on the latest email).
**The only reason this wasn't there before is that it means an extra hit to the H*R servers... but now that I have the preferences things set up, so you can turn it on or off, I think that's fine.
===Version 3.0 (29 Aug, 2006)===
*Added [[HRWiki:Subtitles|subtitling]] functionality.
*Updating no longer requires uninstalling the previous version.
===Version 3.1 (27 Sep, 2006)===
*Whether to show the names next to subtitles is now a distinct setting from the one for colours - you can have neither, either or both.
*There is a button that will purge the local cache for all subtitles-related files downloaded from the wiki and reload the page, for when the cache is out of date.
*The ability to update the test subtitles without refreshing the page for every change (NB: disabled by default, see [[#Refresh Subtitles|below]]).
*Rewind and fast forward buttons on the seek bar to go to the first/last frame, respectively.
*Flash loading progress bar on the seek bar (see how much it's loaded).

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==Suggestion==
Would it make sense to change line 272 to
<pre> addHRWikiLink("Index_Page");</pre>
Then I suppose line 261 could be removed. By the way, ''amazing'' work Phlip. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggest that the games on videlectrix.com should be added, such as
<pre>http://www.videlectrix.com/duckguard1.html
http://videlectrix.com/duckguard1.html
http://www.videlectrix.com/racewalk.html
http://videlectrix.com/racewalk.html
http://www.videlectrix.com/hallrunner.html
http://videlectrix.com/hallrunner.html
http://www.videlectrix.com/lcd_game.html
http://videlectrix.com/lcd_game.html
http://www.videlectrix.com/thydungeonman2.html
http://videlectrix.com/thydungeonman2.html</pre>
And yeah, you rock. [[User:Libertyernie|Libertyernie]] 16:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:Hmm, that's a good point... I'll get on that sometime <s>(probably tomorrow)</s>. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::The reason I thought of this was because I realized the Pause button on the seekbar can be used for skipping a level in Duck Guardian. [[User:Libertyernie|Libertyernie]] 21:47, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
==Homestar-Fullon Edit==
Using the user script I was getting a scrollbar on every page, so I edited line 411 from
<pre>var dh = window.innerHeight - 10;</pre>
to
<pre>var dh = window.innerHeight - 20;</pre>
This kept all the content in the window, but I didn't have to scroll down to see the navbar at the bottom. Did this happen to anyone else? [[User:Consonance|Consonance]] 08:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Not me. Works perfectly for me. --{{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} 03:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

==Eventual to-do list==
(in no particular order)
*{{done}} General cleanup of the code.
*{{done}} Work on Videlectrix.
*{{done}} Work on the mirrors (<s>[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp]</s> ''(not needed with Tom working on completing the HRWiki mirror)'' and [[Mirror:|HRWiki]]).
*{{done}} Some way of turning various features on and off maybe?
**{{done}} Only if I get this working, replace the flash files with [[April Fools 2006|theyCallHimFlipper.swf]].
*{{done}} replace the navbar with text links (this is more for me than for you guys).
*{{done}} resize the seek bar when the toon resizes (if you resize the window)
*{{done}} show outside-the-frame stuff
Feel free to add suggestions. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 21:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've got one. You could try "flipping the ''whole page'' upside down". You know, using the [http://www.homestarrunner.com/theyCallHimFlipperMainNav.swf?contentURL=main_nav.swf flipped navbar], too. And putting the navbar above the flipped toon/game. 
:Also, you could try adding A-B repeat to the seek bar, if you know enough to do that. Preferably make it a seperate sub-option in the prefs, too.
:[[do over|Totally not getting old]], {{User:X-Spider2/X-Sigger2}} 22:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

== Errors in installing ==

I keep getting this error: 
Error installing user script: 
 
[Exception... "Compoment returned failure code: 0x804b000a [nsIIOService.newChannel]" nsresult: "0x804b000a (<unknown>)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://strongbademailsprevnext/content/browser.xul :: getContents :: line 20" data: no] 
 
Any suggestions? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 07:56, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:"strongbademailsprevnext"? I'm guessing you have [https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1695/ this extension] installed? You might want to uninstall that... this script does that stuff too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
::<s>Nope. I only have the script that allows it to be viewed 'full-screen'. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 22:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)</s>
::Nevermind. Turns out that they were both conflicting and I was misinterpreting the second error message. Thanks! {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 22:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC) 
Just as a side-note for people who run into the same problem I did: if you use a program that blends its own Javascript functions into every page you load (mainly found in ad-munching software, like Ad Muncher), make sure you disable it BEFORE installing the Greasemonkey script. Otherwise the extra code might break it, requiring you to clear your cache and install it again with the filters disabled. [[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 14:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

== HOW THE HECK!?!?!?!?! ==

HOW DID YOU MAKE THIS!?!?! {{User:The thing/sig}} 00:36, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

:Phlip has studied necromancy and sorcery for many years now. Other than that, it's a good diet, exercise, and a modicum of good fortune. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

::Phlip has access to both a monkey and a typewriter, so it really was only a [[Wikipedia:Infinite monkey theorem|matter of time]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

:::No, no, no... I sold my soul to Haxxina, ancient Greek goddess of programming and ruler of the underworld. In return She gave me the ability to write this script as my superpower. Just don't make me say my name backwards minus the first 'P' and we should be fine. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

::::We'll be out a free [[lunch special]]? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:58, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

== Refresh Subtitles ==
OK, this feature will need some explaining... First, go Tools→Manage User Scripts, click on "Homestar All-in-one" and click "Edit". If it asks you to choose a text editor, just pick Notepad unless you have something better. It'll look ugly in Notepad (it doesn't recognise the line endings) but it'll work. Now search for <code>if (settings.testsubs && false)</code> and change it to <code>if (settings.testsubs && true)</code>. Now you can use the feature. First you have to turn on "Test subtitles" and hit "Save and apply" as usual, but the next time after the page loads there'll be a "Refresh Subtitles" button below the text area, that re-parses the subtitles without reloading the page - invaluable to subtitle authors.

The reasons the option's not avaliable by default are:
*The interface is clumsy... sometimes the button's there, sometimes it's not there... depending on whether the test subtitles were already enabled before the page loaded... given it's something that's supposed to update stuff without a page load it can be confusing.
*It's not exhaustively tested, and has some weird side-effects (it calls <code>savesettings</code>, so if you, say, turn off the seekbar and hit "Reload Subtitles" the seekbar will remain, but it'll save that you want the seekbar turned off)...
*It's not permanent... Version 4.0 will hopefully make it so that ''all'' settings work like this, and clicking "Save and Apply" won't have to reload the page.
So it's there if you want it, but it's not cluttering up the settings boxes of people that don't want it.

Anyways, enjoy! {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

== Greasemonkey install method ==
GM's changed the way it installs scripts by link. A single-click on the link will offer to install the script, the option isn't even on the right click menu anymore. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

== Just the seek bar ==

Maybe for use on other sites, you could individually release the code for the seekbar. (And, if possible, include the preferences from the whole script, plus maybe external CSS skin support.) --{{User:Y2K/sig}} 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

== spellcheck ==

"Homestar" is misspelled in the warning section of the heap-o-comments at the beginning. Page is locked or I'd fix it myself. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

== Uniformity matters... again ==

Since "podcast" was added recently to the navbar, can you please update that? --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 20:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:Done. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== Is it just me or is this broken? ==

One day the fullon part stopped working for me. And the Subtitles. And the seek bar. The corner buttons are still there. --[[User:68.55.198.213|68.55.198.213]] 11:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's still working fine for me. What did you do the day that it broke? Did you install any other extensions, or scripts, or upgrade anything? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

::So It's just me. That's good to know. I poked around in the system, and determined an update to flashblock borked it. I normally don't unblock flash (even for homestarrunner.com). Adding it to the whitelist fixed the problem. Before that update, they both worked together. Thanks, and I hope this info helps someone.--[[User:68.55.198.213|68.55.198.213]] 13:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Not working in nightly build =( ==

In the nightly build of Firefox (Dubbed Minefield), the script has limited functionality.
The subtitle language selector doesn't work, as there are no options. I will try to clean up to make it work..right.

[[User:Onekopaka|onekopaka]] 02:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:By design, if subtitles are turned off, the script doesn't contact the wiki at all. When you turn the subtitles on, it tries to download the [[Subtitles:Languages|list of supported languages]] then. The list is empty until that finishes (I suppose I should put a "Loading..." message in there...). So wait a bit, see if it turns up. Failing that, it is a nightly build after all, you should expect some things to be broken... the name "Minefield" isn't just for show... chances are, it's a problem with either <code>GM_xmlhttpRequest</code> or <code>DOMParser</code>... and if so, then it's either a Firefox issue or a GreaseMonkey issue, and there's little I can do about it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

== Typo... ==

You mispelled automatically. [[User:Don't press that button.|Don't press that button.]] 10:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Don't press that button.

2007-07-19T17:21:12Z

Don't press that button.: Starting off some of the things I have done.

I am a wikignome (well I will be soon). [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Don't_press_that_button. Here] is a link to my userpage on the fanstuff wiki.

==Things that I have done==
#Added complete filmography to [[20X6 Marzipan]].

Talk:Where's an Egg?

2007-07-19T15:08:05Z

Don't press that button.: /* Glitch or not? */ Adding link to [http://youtube.com youtube] video.

==Character themes==

I just noticed something. Every character has their own variation on the theme that plays in that person's presence. Whenever you ask a character about another character, or they answer a question about that character, that character's theme will be played along with the theme of the character you're speaking with. But when only items and places are involved in the question (or the occasional super-bad liar who answers a question with him/herself when it's patently not true), you'll hear only the one character's theme. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Multiple endings==

I've found that depending on how quickly I finish the games. So far, I've found four:
*Fireworks only — 900 seconds or less left
*Fireworks and a white satellite-looking spaceship — 901-940 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, and a yellow/brown spaceship — 941-970 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, a yellow/brown spaceship, and a gray/green spaceship with an alien coming out — 971 or more seconds left
I'm unsure whether there are any other endings for amounts of time left much smaller than the above. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:My guess is that the 3rd one is a space lab and the "alien" that comes out is a cosmonaut performing a space walk.

:I managed to win a few times just by shooting at everyone immediately. My best time is 994 and all I get is the sputnik, the rocket and the space lab.

:[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Those aren't just any "spaceships", those are definitely meant to refer to the Sputnik satellites.

The first is Sputnik. The second is probably [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1 Vostok 1], with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2 Voskhod 2], with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. [[User:CaseyG|CaseyG]] 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I let the time run down to 96 before getting bored, and nothing unusual happened when I shot the culprit. So it doesn't seem there are any other endings. Why the heck they think people need as much time as they give is totally and utterly beyond me - the amount of time is ridiculously high and takes forever to run down! - but whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I let it run down to 001 and shot the culprit — just the normal ending. Also, I agree: 1000 seconds is unnecessary. I will say, though, that the first time I played it I was completely clueless, so it was nice that I could take my time stumbling around and trying to figure out what was going on. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::This is Forum fodder primarily, but I'll briefly add that being timed out when learning a game is really frustrating and turns me off, and that may be a reason behind TBC's use of such a long timeout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Locations, suspects, and items ==
Here are my attempts at identifying the locations, suspects, and items. I'm not sure of all of them, especially the ones with question marks. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
===Locations===
*Aquarium
*Forest
*Museum (?)
*Siberia (thanks, [[Special:Contributions/70.116.132.84|70.116.132.84]])
*City
*Desert
*Beach
*Movie theater
*Pier

===Suspects===
*Butler
*Blue hat man
*Maid
*Blonde woman
*[[Wikipedia:John McEnroe|John McEnroe]] (I think — recall that Homestar [[:Image:Homestar JohnMcEnroe.PNG|previously dressed up as him]])
*Mechanic
*Old Woman
*[[Kid Speedy]]
*Red hat man

===Items===
*[[Egg]]
*Potted plant
*Strawberry
*[[Alcohol|Beer]]
*Pencil
*Bomb
*Duffel bag
*Monkey wrench
*Slingshot
*Cat

I think once the locations, items, suspects are re-ordered, we can pull the stub tag off the article. Lots of great info and we have the basics now. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Item Talk ==

I have noticed, if people talk about an item when you question them about the egg, talk about the item. They will then tell you a person, and a place. If the person is at that place with the item, they usually have the egg. If they ARN'T at that spot, the one who gave you the info usually has the egg. Anyone have this not happen? (Notice I said USUALLY)--[[User:Bobmuffins|Bobmuffins]] 18:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth [[User:68.54.84.110|68.54.84.110]] 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Painfully dumb question... ==

How do you play the game if you don't speak or read Russian?
:Actual game play requires no knowledge of Russian, since it done completely with pictures. The Russian writing is meaningless or poorly done, anyway. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

- Hey; erm, I have no real idea about wiki ettiquete but I just wanted to say that the Russian is all more or less correct and certainly not meaningless. Here goes: The title, 'gde yaitso' indeed means 'where is the/an egg?' (although the dash in the middle is not needed) - the reference to 'gde yaichko' that is made on the corresponding wiki article on this topic is wrong; 'yaichko' is a diminuitive form roughly equivalent to 'eggy'. 'Gde yaitso' i.e. as written in the game is the best translatoin for 'Where's an Egg?'. On the loading screen, 'televizionniy elektricheskiy' - 'televisual electrical' is fairly senseless but apart from that, the rest of the russian is correct. When you shoot the egg-haver, 'vinovnik' (criminal) appears, and then 'pozdravlenie' (congratulations). If you get it wrong, 'vinovnik' again appears, followed by 'gulag' (russians tend to use the simpler word 'lager'' but gulag is a russian acronym) and then 'igra zakonchenniy' - the only real example of incorrect grammar. It means 'game over' but should be 'igra zakonchennaya' to account for the feminine gender of 'igra'. Hardly 'meaningless or poorly done'. I was pretty surprised with the quality of the russian, to be honest
:: Since it clear you know Russian, and I definitely do not, I would bow to your superior knowledge. In this case, I would say writing up this information in the wiki directly would be much appreciated. (Perhaps under a translation section?) {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Russian text is only used for the title screen and the "congraturatory" address. "Dialogue" in the game itself is handled through pictograms ("Blue Rabbit's Climate Chaos" comes to mind, although this is much more simplistic). Basically, you go around "investigating" each area, confirming which characters are where and which items they're holding, and questioning the characters about other characters and items; if you find someone who's lying, odds are he/she is the culprit, and you do what any good renegade Russian detective would: you shoot them! ^_^--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 19:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Actually, I find that about half the suspects lie, whether they have the egg or not. But really, since everyone either always lies or always tells the truth, all you have to do is find someone who gives you a clue about the egg and says even one other true thing. (Don't bother asking anyone, truthteller or liar, about him/herself or his/her own item, though.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Too many colors==
When you hover over a button, it gradients from gray to yellow (and back again when you remove) Thats waaaaay too many shades of yellow for a game like this. Maybe put this in remarks or goofs. I have bad edit etiquette :P

==Screen shot==
Since the game is out for reals and looks different from the preview shot that was originally up, shouldn't we use a screen shot of actual game play? Do we include both images on the page? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:I went ahead and replaced the old image with the new one, since that's what we did with [[Kid Speedy]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Maid ==
[[Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Maid.png|thumb|Totally a butcher.]]
Which person is supposed to be the maid? Process of elimination of all the other characters left a person who appears to be a butcher.--[[User:Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel|Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel]] 21:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Also, which one is supposed to be the movie theater? Process of elimination left what resembles the Lincoln Memorial.

I think the one with the red rope and yellowish wall is the movie theater.- [[User:70.243.66.159|70.243.66.159]] 16:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC) (Everybody! Sorry, forgot to sign in...)

== Ending Screen ==

That's not a police station, it's Lenin's Mausoleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum)
:Apparently we don't know too much 'bout Russia. Thanks for pointing that out! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Also the word vinovnik (виновник) would be better translated as "guilty person". Criminal is prestupnik (преступник) in Russian.

We would probably use "culprit" in English.--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That "uniformed man" looks like Stalin [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Stalin_02.jpg]. Well, as much as 'good graphics' can allow, anyways ;). It's got his mustache. Given that the game seems to be set in Soviet Russia, there is more than a good chance that it's suppose to be Stalin. What does everyone else thing? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|23:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)}}

:I'm all for it. It looks enough like him to me, and it certainly fits with the Russian theme. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It seems very likely. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Does anyone not think it's Stalin?

::I think it ''could'' be, but are we sure enough for this not to be considered undue speculation? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::To me, it has the following point for it being Stalin:
:::the setting is Soivet Russia
:::the medal is given out at Lenin's Mausoleum, and Stalin stood atop of Lenin's Mausoleum during the post-WWII victory parade (it's the kind of place a Soviet dictator would give out a medal)
:::The mustache and uniform look like Stalin's, and not like any other Soviet dictator (No other Soviet dictator had a mustach like that, although Lenin did have a goatee, he wasn't known for wearing a uniform and would, persumably, be in his tomb)
:::Stalin might actually want someone shot for stealing an egg (and I'm only half joking on that last one)
::I don't see any points against it being Stalin. I cannot discount it being some other uniformed mustachio'd Soviet authority figure, like some head of the KGB or something, but no others come to mind
::Does anyone know someone else that might fit that discritpion? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|02:12, 18 July 2007}}

:::I '''strongly oppose''' the idea that it's Stalin. It's just a guy in a uniform. There were many of those if Soviet Russia, Lenin's tomb was used by every Soviet leader for parades, and Stalin was dead years before those spacecrafts were launched. I also see absoluetly no persuavive reason why it ''should'' be Stalin.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::::I see your point, but I don't think the timeline matters too much — John McEnroe wasn't even born when Sputnik was launched, for example. Rather, I think these other famous historical Russian appearances strengthen the case for it being Stalin. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Stalin is in this game, but not the uniformed man. It's the man pictured immediately above this thread.
:::::: Were it not for the timeline, I would say it was certainly Stalin. Both the mustache and uniform are too close to be coincidence. Even with the timeline problems, I think Stalin is still the best fit. He is certainly the most obvious mustached man in a Russian uniform. In fact I can't think of any other who would be appropriate. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Suspect and location images ==

While the suspect and location images were originally icons, they have now been overwritten with full-sized images. Personally, I prefer the icons for three reasons:
#The full body characters are much taller than the rest of the images, which makes the table look a little lopsided.
#<s>The icon images are pixel-for-pixel, whereas there are some cropping issues with the full-sized images (compare the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716220648%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png butcher icon}} with the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716235952%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png full-body butcher}})</s> (fixed)
#We don't need to illustrate every component of the game completely, just give an icon for identification purposes.
Does anyone agree, or are we happy with the staus quo? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: I think the table is fine as is, especially with the ability to expand the locations to a larger size. Perhaps making the size of the icons closer to the same size (using the item icons as a guide)? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The icons are fine by me, alhtough the cropping issues can easily be fixed. If you think reverting back to icons is the better choice, by all means, go for it. I don't see a problem with keeping the locations as full shots, however. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Names of People, Places and iTems ==

Using a decompiler, the names are '''Jessifer, Pall, Brodermaker, Mancuso, Damella, Deark, Gubby, Les and Joeff'''. The places are called '''Seward Lane, Hollway, A Room, Gym, Bank, Gumption Road, Upstairs, Nearby and Under'''. The items are called '''Bottle, Ball, Butterfly, Dog, Gym Bag, Fanny Pack, Frying Pan, Candlestick and Laptop'''. Not sure which is which. I might have another look later on when I'm home from school.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:That's crazy :P Especially since some of those names bear little resemblance to the items... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm more surprised they put all the names there. By the way, nice work on the [[looking old]] reference. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a Flash decompiler and I'm not finding these names anywhere in the image files. Where are YOU finding them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: Never mind; I found them, but I see no indication of which is which, unless they define them in numerical order as the images appear (and who could tell - there aren't any bottles or balls to be seen anyway!) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The internal names Loafing listed don't appear to actually be used anywhere... the only time these lists of names are even mentioned is that the list of placenames is added to a non-existant (or no-longer-existant) drop-down list on the map screen (possibly a stub, before they made the pretty buttons?). They seem to only be there for debugging purposes. However, it's reasonable to assume that, as debugging tools, they're in the same order as the numerical ids that everything's stored with, which'll make them:
{| border="0"
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Places
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Seward Lane || Aquarium
|-
| Hollway || Park
|-
| A Room || Icy Mountains
|-
| Gym || Bank
|-
| Bank || Beach
|-
| Gumption Road || Desert
|-
| Upstairs || City
|-
| Nearby || Art Museum
|-
| Under || Bridge
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Items
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Bottle || Wrench
|-
| Ball || Beer
|-
| Butterfly || Cat
|-
| Dog || Slingshot
|-
| Gym Bag || Pencil
|-
| Fanny Pack || Gym Bag
|-
| Frying Pan || Bomb
|-
| Candlestick || Potted Plant
|-
| Laptop || Strawberry
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | People
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Jessifer || Blonde Woman
|-
| Pall || Blue hat man
|-
| Brodermaker || Old Woman
|-
| Mancuso || Butler
|-
| Damella || Mechanic
|-
| Deark || Red hat man
|-
| Gubby || Butcher
|-
| Les || Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale
|-
| Joeff || John McEnroe
|}
|}
It seems clear that these debugging names were used ''well before'' the current art was made... it's odd that the one named "Bank" is one ''after'' the real Bank, and the "Gym Bag" is one ''before'' the real Gym Bag... but that's the order they are in the Flash file. I don't think the names warrant mentioning in the article... which is why I made the full tables here on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Manual ==

The manual page is really funny in the way, that its English translation is more correct then the original Russian text :)

* The word at the top of the page "Узнать" (Uznat') is correct, it really does mean "Find out";
* The line "Кто лежит?" (Kto lezhit?) is a mistake and actually means here "Who is lying on the ground?" rather then "Who is telling lies/lying?". This is because in English the verb "to lie" can mean both of those things, but in Russian it's "лежать" (lezhat') for "lying on the ground" and "лгать" (lgat') for "telling the lies/lying". So the line should be "Кто лжет?" (Kto lzhet?);
* The line "Кто говорит правду?" (Kto govorit pravdu?) is correct, it does mean "Who tells the truth?";
* The line "Кто имеет яйцо?" (Kto imeet yaico?) is a bit incorrect and means "Who owns an egg?". "У кого яйцо?" (U kogo yaico?) could be translated as "Who has the egg?"

Another note: The Arbat ST. (location of the seller) is a well-known street in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbat_Street).
: This would be excellent information for the [[Some Type of Online Auction]] page, where the Arbat Street reference is already noted. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Musie Theater? ==

I'm quite confident that the image given the label "Theater" is actually the museum. It looks just like an art museum display and... not at all like a movie theater. The other one's kind of ambiguous as to WHAT it is, but I'm quite sure on the "Theater". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:The other one looks like some kinda government building. Maybe if someone could translate the Russian on the building, it would shed some light on this? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:For now, I swapped the Theater one (pictures with a velvet rope) in the correct place. (Compare with the theater in [[the movies]]) I did notice that the one current marked "Museum" has some Russian writing on it. If someone would translate that, in addition to finding out what how the image is marked internally, for now it's probably better to leave the images where they are. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::You... you swapped it from my swap. The one with the ropes looks more like an art museum. Why would the ropes be so close to the pictures otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I have seen plenty of movie theaters that have velvet ropes along the walls; they are used when they have people line up before the start of movie for a major opening. The other picture is clearly ''not'' a movie theater, so we need to wait until we have further info. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: But who was it that called it a "movie theater" in the first place? US! There is no "further info" besides maybe someone with a flash compiler or a translation of the pillar building. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: Know what? Forget it. I don't want an edit war. I'm compromising with simple descriptions no one can dispute. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks from [[#Names of People, Places and iTems|above]] that one of these (probably the one with the pillars) is a bank, but who knows with the weirdness of the rest of the names. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:If the one current marked as Museum is indeed a bank, I would have no problem making the other a museum. Right now, it's unclear. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Ok, so can we call the one with the velvet ropes a "Museum" now? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that sounds reasonable. At first, I thought it was a movie theater, but the more I look at it, the more those look like pieces of art. Especially the one on the left. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::And y'know - who named that last one a "pier"? Looks more like a bridge to me. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The gray one with what looks like "bEPER" on it is a bank. "берег" is Russian for "bank" according to some online English-Russian dictionary I just Googled. I submit that the one with the velvet ropes is an art musuem. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:About the museum one, I think it's an ''art'' museum. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Glitch or not? ==

Someone on the forums mentioned a glitch where, if you click on the top left corner a lot of times as the game starts, you can win with a timer score of 000. This is only if the person in the aquarium has the egg. I tried it and it worked, but I'm not sure if it's really a glitch or not. Thoughts? {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Additionally, each time I've done it (by clicking the area of the screen where the Aquarium icon and gun icon overlap) the timer freezes at 000, but at the "Win" screen the timer reads 999 and all three spacecraft appear. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:: Just reproduced it myself, although given other Flash-related artifacts like this, I imagine that the way-way-way-way-way-too-generous timer starts at 1000 and it just chops off the first digit... and perhaps drops it down to a normal value afterwards. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't know if it's really a "glitch" if it only works when the suspect in the ''aquarium'' has the egg. That would make it more a matter of luck. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Glitches that only happen under specific circumstances are still glitches. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but if the person in the aquarium has the egg, all you need to do is keep clicking the top left to finish the game in less than a second. That combined with the explanation you gave earlier about the timer actually being 1000 seconds, ''I'' think, completely disproves the glitch theory. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::The internal timer variable starts at 999 (which is what you see at the "win" screen), but the display in-game starts at 000 (not 1000) and is only updated a second after the game starts, the first time the "update timer" function's called. I think this qualifies as a minor glitch (namely that the display doesn't match the actual timer value for a second after the game starts). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[http://youtube.com/watch?v=JqQ-r2mGe0Q Here] is a link to a video on youtube which shows someone winning when the timer displays 000. [[User:Don't press that button.|Don't press that button.]] 15:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Jack Orlando ==

Can anyone confirm the "Jack Orlando" Real-World Reference? The screenshots I've seen of that game look absolutely nothing like this one. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Dead People Tell Tales? ==

When I play the game, I killed someone and ask him about something and he replyed with a + sign. This should go into remarks I think. - Toonypie from the Fanstuff Wiki.

: It's a red cross - they're only capable of answering questions with requests for medical aid, seeing as how they've been shot and all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==5 Time win with no intention==
I won 5 times in this game just by going around and shooting 3 random people. It was awesome. YOU should try it!-MikeControl
:I think more people would be interested if you told them on the IRC channel. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: You have a one-in-three chance of getting it right by shooting random people. Those aren't terrible odds, so your five times in a row was just luck. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:: That was sheer luck. I accidentally got 998 by clicking the gun after clicking the aquarium. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 01:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::(1/3)^5 = 1/243. That's some luck. {{unsigned|68.121.111.150|12:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)}}
:::He never actually said he won five times in a row, just that he won five times. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Fabergé eggs? ==

When you talk about Russian eggs being stolen, it's almost certain that this is a reference to [[wikipedia:Fabergé_Eggs|Fabergé eggs]]. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:I guess it could be a reference to Fabergé eggs. But it could also be [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 18:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think the egg being stolen is just a joke (because no one would shoot a person to get back a stolen ''egg''). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Strategy shortcut ==

:''Because they cannot provide you with useful information, it is worthwhile to shoot the first two suspects you know to be lying. One of them might just have the egg.''
I'm not sure why this keeps getting removed. It seems like a reasonable strategy to me. After you've played the game a bit, you know you really only need one bullet. The other two are just going to waste. Why not use them on the liars? Their info is no good, and you may get lucky and finish with a better time. If it doesn't work out, then you've still got your last bullet to use in the conventional way. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:What's a waste of time is shooting suspects who may not have the egg. It's much better to be sure who the real culprit is than to leave it to luck, even if it turns out to be someone you've seen before. Like [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=599475&highlight=#599475 this trick] I use. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::It takes just over one extra second to shoot the liars. That seems an acceptable tradeoff for the amount of time it would take to keep going normally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Well of course you can use any other strategy and just shoot any liars you come across. But that doesn't make this a strategy in itself. Any player could simply decide to do that; it doesn't take any real thought. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 22:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::No real thought? ''Au contraire!'' The suggestion is not to shoot people ''indiscriminantly'', but to shoot the first two liars you see (which takes some determining). You're not going back to a location where a liar is anyway—unless you have to confront the egg holder there. You could save a lot of time by going ahead and using your spare bullets before you leave the location. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Uh, that's exactly what I just said. This does not take any "real thought" because it is not a strategy as much as it is an add-on to another strategy. Yes it takes "some determining" to recognize liars, but methods for doing so are described in any strategy (including strategies we don't know). And it is not "worthwhile" to shoot the first known liars because it is so uncertain whether they would actually have the egg; the point of a solid strategy is ensuring correctness. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::Note that the way the game works, you don't lose anything for shooting innocent civilians, except the brief second it takes for the detour of the mouse. You only lose out if you get it wrong three times. So a strategy doesn't have to be certain or get it right first time to be "correct" or "worthwhile". The only thing you're graded on is how long it takes you to find the right culprit, on your third guess or better. Anything that speeds that up is worthwhile. Just 'cause shooting people "just in case" or guessing in detective work is generally considered a bad idea in real life doesn't mean it isn't sensible in the context of the game. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'm inclined to agree with [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. You don't lose anything if you shoot two liars, except maybe a second, and the odds of getting lucky and shooting the guilty party are not all that bad. Additionally many people would not necessarily think of "Wasting" bullets on innocent civilians, so it is a worthwhile thing to record. — {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 20:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I added a new strategy paragraph dealing with an observation I made regarding "bad liars". I wasn't really sure if it might be considered a goof or if it was obviously intentional. Specifically, I had the Old Lady answer "potted plant" to two different suspects and then answer with her own picture when questioned about two different items that were not her own. Additionally, I had a later session where a character indicated the mechanic when asked about the beer, but when asked about the mechanic, answered "pencil". I'm starting to wonder if all liars will have some sort of inconsistency in their stories. And does anyone know if the Egg Haver is always a liar? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 06:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Subtitles? ==

I don't know if Where's an Egg? is one of the games that can be subtitled, but if so it could be neat to include approximate translations of the Russian...

My guess is that it's not possible to subtitle, though... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Your guess is wrong. {{User:Mee/sig}} 22:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Well, partially — I was only able to subtitle [[Subtitles:wheresanegg/en|part of it]], since the rest of the text is embedded in movie files, I think. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Music ==

At the begining, when the Videlectrix logo apears, but before the guy shoots at it, the music playing is The Volga Boatmen's Song, traditional Russian song.

:That's awesome. (I just verified it) Great find! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ron Cumberdale ==

The character listed as "Kid Speedy" has red hair, but the real Kid Speedy has brown/gray hair. Ron Cumberdale from Peasant's Quest, however, has the same shirt AND red hair. Edit? [[User:75.119.20.104|75.119.20.104]] 01:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:<s>I agree. I think "Kid Speedy" is just an updated version of [[Ron Cumberdale]].</s> On second thought, I disagree. Look at these three photos.

<gallery>
Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Kid Speedy.png|WAE? suspect
Image:kidspeedy.PNG|Kid Speedy
Image:roncumberdale.PNG|Ron Cumberdale
</gallery>

The skin tone, dark red shorts, same darkred/white striped shirt, and red shoes all match. It's Kid Speedy. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

As the one who originally suggested it as Kid Speedy, I concur with the original. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I agree — I think it's Kid Speedy. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry, I was agreeing with the first one. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. In that case, I disagree — I think it's Kid Speedy. He's fat and has shorts instead of pants... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I just edited it and put Kid Speedy back but kept the Ron Cumberdale thing in. Basically, we don't know who it is unless someone got told it was Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale by TBC. They're the only ones who truly know. — {{User:Znex/sig}} 09:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

==Dynamic Music==

Has anyone else noticed how there is a base music track, and depending on which suspect you are interrogating, changes the extra line on top of it? eg, when you're interrogating blue guy with red hat, there's a sliding squarewave melody, and at the end when you get the medal, it has all the lines.
:Ummm...there's already a section about this back up the page. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Explanation about the Missing Points in my Last Edit ==

If around one hour ago, you were wondering why that the red cross reply point and the Stalin point were missing, I can explain everything. Before, I think I reverted the page or something by accident to the last time that it had Kid Speedy in the characters thing and that version happened to not have those things. So sorry about that. Sorry. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Not The Egg ==

It seems rather clear thar "an egg" has an integral article--it is refered to as such even in situations where "the egg" would be more appropriate, as it is clear this egg is the only egg in the game. --[[User:71.221.232.189|71.221.232.189]] 17:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Translation Error ==

This is not the first time there has been a synonym based mistranslation on the site. Here, they used the russian word for river bank instead of financial bank. In Unnatural, Bub's title in Jappanese was "Man of Concession" meaning compromise instead of vending. Think this should be mentioned?
:Nah, it could be a word pun and TBC just did it because it means different things. — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::I don't know whether it's noteworthy yet, but it is an interesting observation. TBC are obviously using some less-than-reliable method for generating their translations (although it makes me happy that they're trying to make stuff not just be gibberish). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Perhaps they used Babelfish? — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::::Nah, it's not Babelfish, that translates "Bank" as "Крен" (kren). Google Translate translates it as "Банка" (banka). However, Google finds http://www.rustran.com/ which, although it translates "Bank" as "Банк", it translates "Who is lying?" as "Кто лежит?" and "Who has an egg?" as "Кто имеет яйцо?" – both are the wording used in [[eggction]], and both are claimed to be wrong in that article. It even translates "Where's an egg?" as "Где - яйцо?", hyphen included. It's near the top of the Google results for "english russian translator" so I think it's reasonable to think they did a similar Google search, and used this site. I'm not quite sure how they got it to say "берег" but I'll keep prodding it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was the one who first noted the берег-bank thing, and I figured it out using a Russian-English dictionary I found using a Google search and plugging in "museum" and "bank" into it to see if anything matched the inscription on the building. I'll see if I can find that link and see if the rest of the stuff translates the same as well. Ok, I found it here [[http://www.freedict.com/onldict/rus.html]] but, being a dictionary, it doesn't translate phrases - only single words. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 05:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Marzi-Mei

2007-07-19T14:07:32Z

Don't press that button.: /* Complete Filmography */ Adding the thing you get in MediaWiki by typing in *.

[[Image:marzipan20X6.png|thumb|right|130px|Sailor Marzy?]]

'''20X6 Marzipan''' is the [[20X6]] version of [[Marzipan]]. She only appears on [[Main Page 17]] as the mouse-over action on the "[[Character Videos|Characters]]" button, where she says "Yatta!" and does the victory sign. The animation she does is identical to [[Wikipedia:Chun-Li|Chun-Li]]'s winning pose in [[Wikipedia:Street Fighter II|Street Fighter II]], as is the "Yatta!". ("Yatta!" is a Japanese interjection for excitement, usually translated into "Hooray!" or "I did it!"). Unlike present-day Marzipan, 20X6 Marzipan has [[Lack of Visible Arms|visible arms and legs]].

Her outfit, hairstyle and general appearance seem to be based on the anime character [[Wikipedia:Sailor Moon|Sailor Moon]].

==Complete Filmography==
*'''Debut:''' [[Main Page 17]]

[[Category: 20X6 Characters|Marzipan]]

Marzi-Mei

2007-07-19T14:06:27Z

Don't press that button.: Adding complete filmogaphy.

[[Image:marzipan20X6.png|thumb|right|130px|Sailor Marzy?]]

'''20X6 Marzipan''' is the [[20X6]] version of [[Marzipan]]. She only appears on [[Main Page 17]] as the mouse-over action on the "[[Character Videos|Characters]]" button, where she says "Yatta!" and does the victory sign. The animation she does is identical to [[Wikipedia:Chun-Li|Chun-Li]]'s winning pose in [[Wikipedia:Street Fighter II|Street Fighter II]], as is the "Yatta!". ("Yatta!" is a Japanese interjection for excitement, usually translated into "Hooray!" or "I did it!"). Unlike present-day Marzipan, 20X6 Marzipan has [[Lack of Visible Arms|visible arms and legs]].

Her outfit, hairstyle and general appearance seem to be based on the anime character [[Wikipedia:Sailor Moon|Sailor Moon]].

==Complete Filmography==
'''Debut:''' [[Main Page 17]]

[[Category: 20X6 Characters|Marzipan]]

User:Don't press that button.

2007-07-19T13:59:48Z

Don't press that button.: This is my second edit that I have done and my second edit to my userpage.

I am a wikignome (well I will be soon). [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Don't_press_that_button. Here] is a link to my userpage on the fanstuff wiki.

User:Don't press that button.

2007-07-19T13:58:20Z

Don't press that button.: Starting userpage. Duh.

I am a wikignome. [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Don't_press_that_button. Here] is a link to my userpage on the fanstuff wiki.