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This answers my question, I guess we are going to be tracking all 4th wall breaks. [[User:Drhaggis|&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:36, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we at least be grammatical and call this something like &amp;quot;Fourth Wall Violations&amp;quot;?&lt;br /&gt;
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I was going for [The] Fourth Wall Breaks, actually, as in &amp;quot;Fourth Wall Breaks! Details at 11.&amp;quot; But if you think it's confusing, by all means change it. I'm just not going to go through the effort. :) --[[User:Vannav|Vannav]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this should at the very least be separated into two categories: &amp;quot;Audience Acknowledgement&amp;quot; in which the characters talk about the audience, and &amp;quot;Total Breakage&amp;quot;, which consists of e-mails like &amp;quot;virus&amp;quot; that make fun of them being on a website. It's important to realize that somebody could theoretically make a real website in which they read e-mails sent in to them, so acknowledgement of an audience is not necessarily the same as acknowledgement of &amp;quot;cartoondom&amp;quot;. So audience acknowledgement might not even qualify. --Tom H.&lt;br /&gt;
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I argee, since &amp;quot;audience acknowledgement&amp;quot; could refer to all the emails. &amp;quot;Fourth Wall Breaks&amp;quot; should be limited to &amp;quot;Total Breakage&amp;quot;.--[[User:Hysterical Woman|Hysterical Woman]] 15:33, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Total breakage&amp;quot;... don't know what I was thinking with that one. As with &amp;quot;cartoondom.&amp;quot; --Tom H. (I actually signed up for the wiki but forgot my username.)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't think this page is necessary. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For Homestar Runner dot com, breaking the fourth wall is the rule rather than the exception. Except during the main toons (and even at times during them) the characters all seem to be fairly aware of an audience. Many references are made to the site, to sending Strong Bad emails, and there are few instances of characters being concerned that others are talking to the audience. Therefore, I don't think this page should exist. --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey: Is there a reason this page has initial caps on all the words? It's not the title of a 'toon. Wikipedia caps the first letter of the ''first'' word of all articles without exception; our policy seems to be to do the same except on sbemails. (Perhaps page-naming conventions could be added to [[HRWiki:Standards]]? &amp;amp;mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Are these really fourth-wall breaks? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;The term breaking the fourth wall is used in film, theater, television, and literary works; it refers to a character directly addressing an audience, or actively acknowledging (through breaking character or through dialogue) that the characters and action going on is not real.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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This page should not exist if one's definition of fourth wall breakage includes audience awareness through participation. It should exist (in some form or another) if one only counts the complete breakages (i.e. references to &amp;quot;the black&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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In my opinion, this should only list total breakages. However, just implying that you're essentially watching a cartoon is NOT breakage in my opinion (they never say it really IS fake, just that it's not a live broadcast), so to me, only [[flashback]] (Homestar says he's usually behind the black) and [[virus]] (if you need THAT one explained, you need to go watch it) is breakage.&lt;br /&gt;
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I'll gladly detail WHY I don't think the rest are breakages if anyone requests it for a particular e-mail. --[[User:83.88.139.108|83.88.139.108]] 13:21, 6 Dec 2004 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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* I concur. If we refer to every time Strong Bad recognizes he's being watched in a Strong Bad e-mail, we have to list &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;every single last Strong-Bad e-mail!!!&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:17, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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* One could assume he's doing a Jennycam style live webcam show.  Featuring him.  Answering emails.&lt;br /&gt;
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*That seems to be the most likely scenario.  -[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You know, this is a very interesting question, and I'm happy to see so many people debating it.  As a major in film and a minor in drama, however, I can certainly attest to the fact that &amp;quot;breaking the fourth wall&amp;quot; is an important concept to at least TRY to point out.  For folks in the trade and in the scholarly-studies, it basically translates to &amp;quot;acknowledging the 'real' world outside of the filmworld or playworld.&amp;quot;  In film, this rule is hardly ever broken -- actors are rarely directed to look directly into the camera.  99% of the time, they're often looking just to the side of it.  When an actor DOES directly address the audience, because breaking the rule is SO strange and SO &amp;quot;not done,&amp;quot; it's usually used for kooky humor, as in ''Ferris Bueller's Day Off'', or for jarring psychological effect, as in ''Psycho''.  H*R being a cartoon only makes this page more interesting, because it's taking a pretty intellectual concept and putting it to use for the masses.  Voila.  -- [[User: Queenie-C|Queenie-C]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:I say point out that the whole concept of SBEmails points out that Strong Bad knows he's on a cartoon, and then delete all the boring ones where he mentions the viewers and stuff. The only exceptions should be the really interesting ones which go beyond simple dialogue, like The Cheat watching an Email on his computer. Besides that, I think all the other mentionings of fourth wall breakage are fine. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:01, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I may have a way out of all this: Strong Bad is running a small operation ''inside'' the homestar-verse for the benefit of those within it.  That is to say, Strong Bad is an internet star inside the world of Homestar and Friends, which is why The Cheat can watch on his computer (or Strong Bad do the show ''from'' The Cheat's computer).  In this context, we are not watching Strong Bad answer email for our benefit, but for those inside; we just get to watch, explaining why we can follow Strong Bad around when he leaves his computer. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 10:08, 11 May 2005 (PDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know if [[2 years]] neccessarily breaks the fourth wall, since [[Homestar's Website]] is not www.homestarrunner.com. --[[User:GregHosting|GregHosting]] 06:43, 14 May 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Closed STUFF ==&lt;br /&gt;
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These were on the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page and declined. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Strong Bad wants a cartoon (Declined)===&lt;br /&gt;
In the King of Town DVD comentary, Strong Bad complains about the King of Town having his own cartoon while he dosen't have his own. &lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline.''' The fact that he's doing a commentary seems to point he knows they have cartoons.--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:17, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 05:35, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline.''' What is it with these obvious Fun Facts showing up all over the place?  This one ought to be in the transcript, if it isn't already... which means this one doesn't even warrant voting. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*I'm the one who STUFF'd this, and it was mentioned in [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], not [[The King of Town DVD]]. This fact is supposed to apply to a fourth wall breakage. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
**And it still deserves a '''Decline,''' because it's a pointless fun fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:53, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline with a vengence''' The entire idea of the characters doing commentaries is a fourth wall breaking excercise. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline''' I'm ready to &amp;quot;decline&amp;quot; the entire idea of logging &amp;quot;fourth wall breaks&amp;quot;... Strong Bad is constantly making it clear that he knows he's performing for an audience (e.g. &amp;quot;So, until next week, keep sending me those emails...&amp;quot;) - Dingell&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline''' But then, I think the whole &amp;quot;Fourth Wall Breaks&amp;quot; page is a waste of webspace for reasons I think are probably mentioned on its Talk page. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
**I don't think its bad, it just needs a clean up... badly. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:50, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''DECLINED!''' How about Homestar saying &amp;quot;What happened to my website?&amp;quot; in [[The System is Down]] or the fact that Strong Bad getting 400,000+ viruses caused everything in the Homestar Runner world to go haywire in [[virus]]? I'm sure there are several other instances of fourth wall breaking too. Comedies tend to do that a lot. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Hello, Viewers! (Declined)===&lt;br /&gt;
In [insert Strong Bad Email here], Strong Bad says [insert speech here], which hints that he knows he's being watched by an audience.&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline.''' There are too many of these out there, and they're almost all boring. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Strong Decline.''' I agree. This fun fact can not be placed anywhere. Could it be that he is so self-esteemed that he believes that he will have an audience for anything he does? [[User: Pop_tire|Pop_tire]] 24 Mar 2005&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Decline''' See vote for &amp;quot;Strong Bad wants a cartoon&amp;quot; --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''DECLINE''' In addition to the poor spelling, this fact doesn't even say anything!  &amp;quot;[insert Strong Bad Email here]&amp;quot;??? Is this some kind of a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
**'''Second''' this unsigned vote. So whoever, sign your vote next time. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123, who is not logged in]]&lt;br /&gt;
** You don't get it. This is a general fact - the Fourth Wall page used to have a LOT of Fun Facts in this style, so this is a vote on ALL the facts of this sort. Though I do agree with your vote, I don't with your reasoning. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:46, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toons! Games! Island==&lt;br /&gt;
The first break on [[island]] is subtle, but it's there. Strong Bad doesn't say, &amp;quot;I suspect it would be like most '''cartoons''',&amp;quot; but rather, &amp;quot;I suspect it would be like '''most''' cartoons.&amp;quot; Why would Strong Bad suggest it as an appropriate analogy? Because he himself is a cartoon. Later, when Homestar makes the effects from the [[Main Page 3]] happen, it too is obviously a break. &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Err, maybe if Strong Bad said &amp;quot;I suspect it would be like '''other''' cartoons,&amp;quot; I'll believe you. And how does Homestar break the fourth wall? Are the [[Main Pages]] breaks? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 00:31, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Strong Bad's emphasis is the key. Let's put it in different terms:&lt;br /&gt;
:::*Consider the human brain, which is like a personal computer but is not one. In describing it, one could say: &amp;quot;The human brain is like most '''computers.''' It takes in information, processes it, and signals the body to respond.&amp;quot; Note that the emphasis in the first sentence is on the ''last'' word.&lt;br /&gt;
:::*Now consider my desktop computer. If someone asked me to describe it, I could say: &amp;quot;Well, it's like '''most''' personal computers; it's got a monitor and a keyboard and a mouse and it lets me run programs and access the Internet.&amp;quot; Notice that &amp;quot;''most other''&amp;quot; is strongly implied by stressing the word &amp;quot;most&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::Strong Bad's emphasis in the sentence, again while subtle, matches the ''second'' example here.&amp;lt;div style=&amp;quot;text-indent:1.5em&amp;quot;&amp;gt;As for Homestar's wall break, this one is more clear-cut. Even if you take the stance that homestarrunner.com exists in their world and that Homestar posed for each of the main pages, he ''still'' shouldn't be able to make the effects occur at will. If he could, why wouldn't he just summon the ship to come pick them up off the island? Even if he didn't want to, surely Strong Bad would make him. &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:40, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Homestar's Theme==&lt;br /&gt;
Would Homestar singing his theme song be a fourth wall break?  {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dicuss Amongst Yourselves!==&lt;br /&gt;
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It seems to me like we need to nail down some official policy about what will be considered 4th-Wall-breaks and what won't, and then bring this page up to speed. For instance, I don't think [[huttah!]], [[monument]], or [[part-time job]] should be there, but I think [[geddup noise]] should, and [[Main Page 23]] ''definitely'' should. I didn't want to go in deleting and adding recklessly until some kind of official consensus is reached, though. --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 20:25, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Quick note: [[part-time job]] should be there. Strong Bad peers around the black before walking into frame. There's no corresponding object in his world for him to be looking around. &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:25, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[monument]]==&lt;br /&gt;
Is Homestar singing &amp;quot;The Thnikkaman&amp;quot; song at the end really a fourth wall break? Isn't it implied that the song that's triggered upon his entrance &amp;amp; exit (as well as calling and hangups) is heard by the characters and just a part of the Thnikkaman's story? --[[User:Come back, chocolates!|Come back, chocolates!]] 15:21 2 Nov 2005 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:It's the fact that he puts his head back into the frame to say it, indicating he had to get himself in view of the audience. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Why is it called the &amp;quot;Fourth&amp;quot; Wall?==&lt;br /&gt;
What happened to the first three walls? [[User:Ian911299|Ian911299]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You might check [[Wikipedia:Fourth wall|the Wikipedia article]] for that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's just a general expression, mainly. It's not just here. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 03:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Should we add an explination? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 03:03, 10 December 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::No, that's what the Wikipedia article is for. &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Big Problem ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*Strong Bad actually recieves real emails.&lt;br /&gt;
*He is appearantly aware that the video of his replies are seen by people on the web site.&lt;br /&gt;
*This implies that Strong Bad thinks that he has a [[Wikipedia:webcam|webcam]] that follows him around.&lt;br /&gt;
*Therefore, the times when Strong Bad addreses the viewer(s) are not breaking the fourth wall. Only references to &amp;quot;being in a cartoon&amp;quot; would be breaking the fourth wall.&lt;br /&gt;
*I have emailed Strong Bad about this issue, (see my [[User:Nerd42|user page]]) and I hope that the Bros Chaps will someday make a cool cartoon with my email in it. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And the big, previously unaddressed problem is...? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::The page currently says that every time the characters talk to the viewer, they are breaking the fourth wall. I was just trying to explain that this is not nessicarily the case. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do you even know what breaking the fourth wall is? Even if it's common, it's still a breakage. You better go to the Wikipedia article. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah, I know what breaking the fourth wall is. I'm saying that if Strong Bad believes he has a (fictional) webcam following him around or some such thing then he's not breaking the fourth wall when he talks to the audience any more than Homestar does when he says &amp;quot;seriously folks they're the best&amp;quot;.  There are other explanations for many of the supposed fourth wall breaks. Not that there aren't fourth wall breaks in Homestar Runner, but there aren't nearly as many as this article indicates. -{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think we should take off the one about &amp;quot;Buy our playsets and toys&amp;quot;. It's supposed to be an ad. {{User:Dacheaatbot/sig}} 01:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Note ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to my view, saying &amp;quot;It's been three emails in a row&amp;quot; isn't specifically breaking the fourth wall. Plus, I'm adding one about [[candy product]]. Strong Bad says &amp;quot;I'll surely have a candy product at '''the end of this email'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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::I agree about the &amp;quot;three emails in a row&amp;quot;. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 17:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I second that, completely. It's not as if he doesn't know he's answering emails! You have to consider the fact that they know what they're doing inside the Homestar Universe - fourth wall breaks are when they acknowledge that there are people watching them (Strong Bad appears to have constant awareness of his &amp;quot;viewers,&amp;quot; so I presume that he's aware of it within the HR Universe, but that's another argument...). Anyway, I agree. Whatever it was. ;) [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 19 August 2006&lt;br /&gt;
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== Thing about the &amp;quot;Island&amp;quot; Email ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It states in the page that saying that the situation will be like &amp;quot;most cartoons&amp;quot; is somehow a reference to the fact that Homestarrunner.com is a website of cartoons. This is simply not the case; the events about which Strong Bad speaks happens in classic cartoons, specifically starring Bugs Bunny, etc. I vote for &amp;quot;Island&amp;quot;'s removal.&lt;br /&gt;
:Reference the [[#Toons! Games! Island|eighth discussion above]] this one. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 07:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== senior prom ==&lt;br /&gt;
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At the end of senior prom, after leaving his computer, Strong bad is seen on-screen slightly from the black, then jumps over behind it, like he knows that you can't see him there. Would that count? - [[User:Young Roy/Young Roy]]&lt;br /&gt;
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You know what? You're right. I guess it should be included. Besides, Strong Bad does appear surprised when he sees the camera.&lt;br /&gt;
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== keep cool ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In &amp;quot;keep cool&amp;quot;, Strong Bad emerges from the bottom of the screen and addresses to the viewers what Strong Badia is. In the article for [[keep cool]], it says that this is one of the most &amp;quot;abrupt&amp;quot; fourth wall breaks to date. But is it technically a fourth wall break anyway? Strong Bad might be talking to the viewers on this &amp;quot;webcam&amp;quot; I keep hearing so much about.&lt;br /&gt;
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Should that part be kept or '''DELETED'''? [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 15:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== It's kind of like there's two fourth walls ==&lt;br /&gt;
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A lot of even the complete 4th wall breaks couldn't technically be called such, depending on which 4th wall we're talking about.  The characters have acknowledged that they are &amp;quot;cartoon characters,&amp;quot; but in a ''universe'' which is nothing but cartoons, being a character in a &amp;quot;cartoon&amp;quot; is probably not that different from being a character in a &amp;quot;movie,&amp;quot; in the real world.  Do we count real commentaries as 4th wall breakages when an actor says &amp;quot;oh, yeah, in one take of this scene I pooped my pants,&amp;quot; or whatever?  No, because that's completely outside of the movie, and inside what the actor considers to be real life.&lt;br /&gt;
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In other words, there's a difference between the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; characters admitting they're actors in a bunch of cartoons, and them acknowledging that they are completely fictional.  Some of the DVD commentaries seem to indicate that all the characters fully believe that they are &amp;quot;real,&amp;quot; and that they're just actors.  And some comments like &amp;quot;Little known fact: Homestar gained a hundred pounds and shrank two feet for this role&amp;quot; also strongly imply that the characters believe themselves to be real people.  Thus, breaks of the &amp;quot;first&amp;quot; 4th wall are quite common, but the real 4th wall have yet to happen as far as I can recall.&lt;br /&gt;
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A breach of the real 4th wall would require a character to distinguish between their cartoon world, and the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; world, ''and'' to admit that their world is less real in comparison.  Just the former doesn't cut it.  So for instance, if a character were to complain about how poorly drawn they are, that ''could'' be considered a &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; 4th wall breach, depending on how it's argued.  There are a bunch of unknowns.&lt;br /&gt;
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Like whether or not they're aware of any differences between their cartoon universe, and the real world.  They may think that all their viewers are cartoons, and thus operate under the same wacky laws of physics.  Being poorly drawn may be as fundamental a quality as being ugly or transparent or whatever, to us.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, this is looking into it way too much, but it's not like any of us have anything better to do.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Well, let's first explore what the fourth wall really is. In theater, it is a dramatic device which involves the actor suddenly stopping relating to the box of the stage-world and begins addressing the audience, often with meta-commentary on the action, conditions, or other facts of the proceedings beyond the &amp;quot;facts of the scene&amp;quot;. One could rightly call Strong Bad's description of what Strong Bad actually is (from [[keep cool]]) is a classic fourth wall break. A character referring to himself as a &amp;quot;cartoon character&amp;quot; should not limit the definition of a fourth wall break - in fact, it is in itself a fourth wall break!&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think the qualification that the real world be better than the cartoon world is not necessary for a fourth wall break. A simple comment saying &amp;quot;I am in a cartoon you're watching, and here's some info that is not plot-related and is kinda behind-the-scenes&amp;quot; is enough. The fourth wall, after all, is the imaginary barrier between the action and the audience - betwen the play and the players, if you will - and no further qualification is needed.&lt;br /&gt;
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:That said, I think some are too liberal with &amp;quot;fourth wall&amp;quot; attribution. In a Strong Bad Email, SB is so clearly playing to an audience that his actions and speech cannot be considered a break. However, Homestar's might be (&amp;quot;See you after the flashback&amp;quot; ([[flashback]]) might be considered a break if we assume he's addressing the viewer, not SB), or any other characters', and even his own might be if it transcends both the context of a toon and the context of a toon presented as a toon.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Great topic for discussion. Please [[Special:Userlogin|sign up]] and continue these observations. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think the above is indeed a very interesting observation, but when I was writing my comment about the Yello Dello cartoon, I was thinking of another problem of essentially locating where the fourth wall is. In particular, there's the question of cartoons within cartoons. The mention of fourth wall breaks in Cheat Commandos cartoons are indeed fourth wall breaks, but in my opinion they only break the fourth wall of that cartoon, not the HomestarRunner.com website. I'm not sure whether this means it should be removed or even commented, I only note it as interesting. -[[User:Brucker|Brucker]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Yello Dello narrator ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I notice that it lists the narrator referring to &amp;quot;this cartoon&amp;quot; as a fourth wall break. I'm finding myself doubting that. Can a narrator break the fourth wall? I think narrators are, for lack of a better way to phrase it, already on the other side of the fourth wall. A fourth wall breaking involving a narrator seems to me to have to involve characters in a cartoon/movie/play/whatever interacting with the narrator in an unnatural way. (For those who have seen the play &amp;quot;Into the Woods&amp;quot;, there is a point in the play when the characters drag the narrator onto the stage and bring him into the plot. *That's* breaking the fourth wall.) &lt;br /&gt;
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Actually, if people agree, it might call into question a number of other items on this page, such as characters speaking in DVD commentaries, but that's more of a grey area.-[[User:Brucker|Brucker]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Sometimes, the [[Characters|characters]] '''break the [[Wikipedia:Fourth wall|fourth wall]]''' by displaying awareness that they are in an Internet cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fourth wall breakages are common in [[Strong Bad Email]]s; Strong Bad often addresses the viewers, and references to his &amp;quot;email show&amp;quot; are made. Some of these supposed &amp;quot;fourth wall breaks&amp;quot; may be explained by assuming that Strong Bad has a live [[Wikipedia:webcam|webcam]] show in which he answers e-mails, or that he is talking to an imaginary audience, but in other instances the characters actually refer to the fact that they are in cartoons, which is a real fourth wall break. Excluding Strong Bad Emails that involve a character addressing the viewers, here is a list of fourth wall breakages in the toons.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Fourth Wall Breakages ==&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Big Toons ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Weclome Back]]: All of the characters (including the King of Town) punch in on a time clock after returning from a vacation. Marzipan wonders whether anyone has been &amp;quot;taking care of the website.&amp;quot; Homestar Runner says &amp;quot;It's time to get this www-dot-show back on the road-dot-com.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Where's The Cheat?]]: While reassuring Strong Mad, Strong Bad says &amp;quot;Don't worry, big guy. We'll cut to a montage. I mean, find The Cheat.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[In Search of the Yello Dello]] and [[The King of Town DVD]]: Characters doing commentaries and being in previews for the toons that are DVDs show that they know it was a cartoon. Strong Bad even calls one of the toons a cartoon several times.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[In Search of the Yello Dello]]: The TV announcer says that [[The Yello Dello|the Yello Dello]] is &amp;quot;the most rare and beautiful bird in this entire cartoon.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Shorts ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[No Hands On Deck!]]: Homestar says, &amp;quot;I'd better get back to work if I'm gonna build a deck in this cartoon!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sbemail 150?!?]]: Strong Sad has prepared storyboards to help Strong Bad with the email.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cheat Commandos]]: There are many breakages, such as [[Gunhaver]] saying &amp;quot;... all our playsets and toys,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;Next episode, Blue Laser,&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Into the action figure storage vehicle!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The System is Down]]: There are references to both the [[Error Page]] and [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestarrunner.com]] being down.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Holiday Toons ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[More Fan Costumes]]: Strong Bad comments that [[Coach Z]], [[King of Town]] and [[Marzipan]] are the least popular ''Homestar Runner'' characters.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]: Throughout the [[Wikipedia:cold open|cold open]], Homestar directly addresses the viewer. When he comes upon [[Homsar]], he remarks &amp;quot;Oh, great. The secret guy&amp;quot; and then comments on the choices that Homsar &amp;quot;gives&amp;quot; him. Then when he reaches the [[Cliffs#Creepy Cliff|Creepy Cliff]], he refers to it as a &amp;quot;cool new background.&amp;quot;  Finally, in the [[The Goblin|Goblin]] ending, Marzipan declares the end of the scene.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]]: Strong Bad informs the viewers that Homestar runs around frantically from [[Decemberween]] to New Year's; then, in the Easter egg, there is a poster on the wall that reads, &amp;quot;Left Out Characters' Support Group &amp;amp; Buffet.&amp;quot;  &lt;br /&gt;
*[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]: During the end discussion, Homestar comments first whether the viewers have voted yet (a feature for that year's toon), and then requests that the characters repeat stuff they have already said to freak &amp;quot;them&amp;quot; out, indicating that the characters know they are being watched.&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[A Holiday Greeting]], the main characters wish us &amp;quot;[[Wikipedia:Happy Holiday(s)|Happy Holidays]] from all of us to all of you&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Strong Bad Emails ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[cliffhangers]]: Strong Bad tells the narrator to get to the resolution of the second cliffhanger.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[road trip]]: Strong Bad declares the end of the email.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[theme song]]: Besides the whole idea of a theme song for his show, Strong Bad says he gives us a new email song every freakin' week.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[keep cool]]: Strong Bad interrupts the email (he rises up from below the frame), to explain the difference between [[Strong Badia]] and the rest of [[Free Country, USA]]. He then offers a high five. He also says &amp;quot;Note to viewers&amp;quot; before everything else.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[candy product]]: Strong Bad says he'll have a candy product &amp;quot;by the end of this email&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[narrator]]: Strong Bad said that Strong Sad had made corrections in three emails in a row, the first two being [[secret identity]] and [[technology]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[highschool]]: Strong Bad says that he was &amp;quot;probably just like other cartoons&amp;quot; in his high school days.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[bottom 10]]: After the end of the email, Strong Bad acknowledges that there are no Easter eggs at the end.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[part-time job]]: Strong Bad peeks around the edge of the black on his way to [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Bubs']].   &lt;br /&gt;
*[[animal]]: Strong Bad says that a man with a laptop computer comes &amp;quot;from the right side of the screen.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[virus]]: The effects of [[The Virus|the virus]] causes several fourth wall breakages.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[old comics]]: Strong Bad says he and Homestar were used in a comic that was printed at least 60 years ago. Since they are obviously not that old, he is pointing out the fact that he and Homestar are unaging cartoon characters.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[crying]]: Strong Bad states (or rather sings) that he &amp;quot;will not sing an email song this week.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[dangeresque 3]]: Strong Bad asks the audience to resist the urge to throw full wine bottles at the screen.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[flashback]]: The size of the display area is purposefully extended and Homestar Runner is (and has apparently often been) &amp;quot;behind the black.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[monument]]: Homestar peeks out from behind the black as he sings, &amp;quot;Here comes the Thnikkaman!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[video games]]: Strong Bad turns and yells directly at the camera saying &amp;quot;'Cause you can't control me!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[couch patch]]: Strong Bad points out that the couch patch is clearly already present in Homestar's flashback, and Homestar says he got confused about the title of the e-mail.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[the process]]: Strong Bad spends the whole cartoon explaining how his other emails were/would be done. He also says &amp;quot;you can usually click on certain words and make little pictures of dumb stuff pop up.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[huttah!]]: [[The Cheat]] actually watches the email on his own computer.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[island]]: When Yami Yugi asks what Strong Bad would do if he were stuck on a desert island, Strong Bad nonchalantly replies, &amp;quot;I suspect it would be like most cartoons&amp;quot;. Later, [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] imitates [[Main Page 3]], with similar effects.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[your friends]]: Strong Bad states that he's giving the fans what they want.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[little animal]]:  Strong Bad talks about the people watching the e-mail at home.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[stand-up]]: Strong Sad tells you to come with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Not Quite Strong Bad Emails ===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]: References to the 404 page and the user poking around the site.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Special Toons ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[First Time Here?]]: Sets the stage for fourth wall breakages, especially when Strong Bad shows up to let you know why you're here.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Marzipan's Answering Machine ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]: Homestar says, &amp;quot;This is Homestar Runner from HomestarRunner.com&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Games ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Thy Dungeonman 3]]: If you talk to some of the characters, they mention events that happened &amp;quot;screens&amp;quot; ago.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]:  When [[1-Up]] requests Stinkoman's help, Stinkoman says that he already helped him in Level 4. At the beginning of Level 6, Stinkoman appears to be playing his own game. At the beginning of Level -0, Stinkoman addresses the player while he's stuck sad inside the wall. Also, at the end of Level -0, Stinkoman says he has to get through Level 9 and Level 10 to get to 1-Up and [[Pan Pan]]. Then, at the opening cinematic of level 9, the [[Shadowy Figure]] says, &amp;quot;So he thinks he can get to level 10, eh?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Peasant's Quest]]: If you talk to the [[Dongolev|second]] &amp;quot;[[Unusual Greetings#Haldo|Haldo]]&amp;quot; brother and say &amp;quot;Haldo&amp;quot; without talking to the [[Mendelev|first one]] (the one at the booth), he will say, &amp;quot;What'd you read that in PQ Stragedy&amp;lt;!--this is wrong on purpose--&amp;gt; Guide? Go talk to my brother first.&amp;quot; On a related note, if you type &amp;quot;throw baby&amp;quot; before you actually ''get'' the baby, the game will say that you must have &amp;quot;misread the walkthrough on [[Wikipedia:GameFAQs|GameFAQS]].&amp;quot; Also, if you type &amp;quot;get broom&amp;quot; in Naked Ned's house, the game will say, &amp;quot;No no. The broom is in the foreground and you can't take things in the foreground. You don't see me all typing 'get browser window', do you?&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Character Pages ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Strong Sad]]: On Strong Sad's character page, he  complains about making a &amp;quot;character page&amp;quot;, and later runs his finger down the left side of the screen.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Coach Z]]: Asks &amp;quot;Is that thing on?&amp;quot;, referring to the camera.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Teen Girl Squad ===&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11|Issue 11]]: Cheerleader is seen reading the script for the issue, and asking how &amp;quot;uggs&amp;quot; is spelled.&lt;br /&gt;
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===DVDs===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[strongbad_email.exe]] (all discs): Homestar walks by an FBI warning. Also, if you don't make a selection in the Bonus Stuff menu, Strong Bad will enter and say that &amp;quot;Your time is up&amp;quot;, and a plays [[TROGDOR!]] for a little bit.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc One]]: Strong Bad tells [[The Paper]] to &amp;quot;show these morons what to do&amp;quot;. Then, The Paper will tell you to make your choice.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]]: Homestar and Strong Bad wonder where you are, Homestar suggests that perhaps you are making a sandwich, and Strong Bad orders you to bring them some cold ones.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four]]: The [[Female Lappy 486]] asks Strong Bad what's taking them so long.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Everything Else, Volume 1]]: Strong Bad says there are no emails on the DVD. Homestar tells you to make up your choice.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Other===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[First Time Here?]] video: Strong Bad: Says &amp;quot;I'm the real reason you're here&amp;quot; and asks people to &amp;quot;check him out&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Podstar Runner]] (emails only): Strong Bad asks, &amp;quot;What am I doing in this tiny box?&amp;quot; and shatters the screen trying to get out.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Store]]: Most of the [[Store Thank You Messages|thank you messages]] break the fourth wall, especially [[Store Thank You Messages#Back Door Message|the &amp;quot;bonus&amp;quot; message]].&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Legal]]: Homestar walks by and comments on the boringness of the disclaimers.&lt;br /&gt;
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