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Super Martyo Brother: /**/Well, both engines are down, the main gun is offline, and the shield is not operational, but I think we can still save her!

Super Martyo Brother — Mon, 16 Aug 2010 07:59:06 GMT

: Well, both engines are down, the main gun is offline, and the shield is not operational, but I think we can still save her!

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	:::::::None of the previous post is true. Yes, it's ''failing'', but it has yet to completely fail and it is certainly not our last hope. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::::::None of the previous post is true. Yes, it's ''failing'', but it has yet to completely fail and it is certainly not our last hope. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::::::Sorry, it was a reference to Babylon 5... i knew no one would get it. The point i was trying to make is that i think the experiment failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::::::Sorry, it was a reference to Babylon 5... i knew no one would get it. The point i was trying to make is that i think the experiment failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Well, both engines are down, the main gun is offline, and the shield is not operational, but I think we can still save her! ==
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		+	(Sorry for the strangely long title, but it's late and I'm in a creative mood) In my humble opinion, this page in its current incarnation has failed. It has not successfully replaced [[HRWiki:STUFF]], and it is woefully out of date. I've got a few ideas as to why it has failed, and a few ideas as to how to fix those issues.
		+	#'''The page is not updated when new discussions are commenced''': There are main issues causing this problem, the lack of publicity for this page, and the inconvenience of having to add to it when a discussion is held. I think there are not a lot of users that even know this page exists (it's only linked to in a couple of places). A user who begins a discussion might not know to post an entry here, and a user looking for things to weigh in on might not know to check here. Also, people usually are alerted to discussions via [[Special:Recent Changes\|Recent Changes]] (which is an issue for discussions that have reached an impasse or died off), so many users might not feel the need to take the extra effort to edit this page. One way to fix this would be to make this page into a category (like [[:Category:Articles for Discussion]]), the issue there being that we can't link or describe the specific discussion being referred to. Another way would be to advertise the page a bit more, maybe add it to [[User:First Time Here?\|the welcome links]] or other appropriate pages.
		+	#'''Discussions usually don't last long enough to warrant an entry here''': When a fun fact gets disputed, the situation is usually resolved quickly, by a couple of users involved in the dispute. The only time I can think of when a main namespace article had a lasting discussion over a fact would be when the transcript is unclear ([[The Reddest Radish]] happens to be on this page for that reason). There was a reason STUFF was decommissioned, and it was because we realized talking it out was easier than we thought it was. There really is no solution to this one, and you could even argue it's not a problem, but it does make me wonder whether this page is really necessary.
		+	#'''None of these discussions have been resolved as a result of this page''': This is the big problem I see with this page; It doesn't really help us reach a consensus. All it does is encourage other users to weigh in on the conversation, but if you see #2, conversations usually will be resolved within two hours. While it is true that there are a lot of discussions still left open, most of those discussions were abandoned due to an impasse, a situation which won't be helped by listing the discussion on this page. Once again, there really is no solution to this problem.
		+	So there's my... um... five cents on this page. I think, when it comes down to it, this page is about as unnecessary as STUFF was. Most of the discussions we have on this wiki are not grandiose enough to deserve being listed on a separate page, and this page isn't really doing much to help resolve discussions. Ultimately, this page is a failed experiment, but we did learn from it. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 07:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Defender1031: /* Proposed Rename */ reply

Defender1031 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:21:01 GMT

Proposed Rename: reply

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	::::::Open discussions was the wiki's last, best hope for discussion resolution. It failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::::Open discussions was the wiki's last, best hope for discussion resolution. It failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::None of the previous post is true. Yes, it's ''failing'', but it has yet to completely fail and it is certainly not our last hope. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::::::None of the previous post is true. Yes, it's ''failing'', but it has yet to completely fail and it is certainly not our last hope. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::::::Sorry, it was a reference to Babylon 5... i knew no one would get it. The point i was trying to make is that i think the experiment failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:21, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It's dot com: /* Proposed Rename */ not true

It's dot com — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:19:35 GMT

Proposed Rename: not true

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	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting the fact that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting the fact that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Open discussions was the wiki's last, best hope for discussion resolution. It failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::::Open discussions was the wiki's last, best hope for discussion resolution. It failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::::None of the previous post is true. Yes, it's ''failing'', but it has yet to completely fail and it is certainly not our last hope. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Defender1031: /* Proposed Rename */ if no one gets the reference, it wouldn't surprise me

Defender1031 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:17:28 GMT

Proposed Rename: if no one gets the reference, it wouldn't surprise me

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	::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting the fact that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting the fact that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::::Open discussions was the wiki's last, best hope for discussion resolution. It failed. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

132.183.138.33: /* Proposed Rename */

132.183.138.33 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:16:44 GMT

Proposed Rename

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	:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
-	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)	+	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting the fact that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

132.183.138.33: /* Proposed Rename */

132.183.138.33 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:13:35 GMT

Proposed Rename

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	:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
-	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, ~~should it~~ exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)	+	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, does this page need to exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

132.183.138.33: /* Proposed Rename */

132.183.138.33 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:11:58 GMT

Proposed Rename

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	:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
	::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::::I never said it was BBG's fault. I was more highlighting that although this page exists, no one else uses it. Said another way, if no one else uses it, should it exist? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 00:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It's dot com: /* Proposed Rename */ is that his fault?

It's dot com — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:09:04 GMT

Proposed Rename: is that his fault?

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	::There's a subtler point I'm trying to make. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)		::There's a subtler point I'm trying to make. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	::::So is that BBG's fault? At least someone is trying to give this page a scope. 132, if you think you can do better, then do it. Thus far the experiment of this page is not going so well, and it may be time to consider a new approach. — [[User:It's dot com\|It's dot com]] 00:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Defender1031: /* Proposed Rename */ reply

Defender1031 — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:02:17 GMT

Proposed Rename: reply

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	:I don't even edit the Wiki that often anymore, so that name would be a '''slightly epic fail.''' {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)		:I don't even edit the Wiki that often anymore, so that name would be a '''slightly epic fail.''' {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
	::There's a subtler point I'm trying to make. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)		::There's a subtler point I'm trying to make. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	:::Yes. this page was intended to promote discussions that are still open but had become stagnant, not for every discussion that anyone started to go on here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

132.183.138.33: /* Proposed Rename */

132.183.138.33 — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:37:01 GMT

Proposed Rename

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	"Bad Bad Guy's Own Personal Discussions" -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 19:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)		"Bad Bad Guy's Own Personal Discussions" -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 19:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
	:I don't even edit the Wiki that often anymore, so that name would be a '''slightly epic fail.''' {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)		:I don't even edit the Wiki that often anymore, so that name would be a '''slightly epic fail.''' {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 19:18, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
		+	::There's a subtler point I'm trying to make. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33\|132.183.138.33]] 23:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)